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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,984 --> 00:00:10,061 The Web transforms us. 2 00:00:10,063 --> 00:00:12,003 We become data... 3 00:00:12,004 --> 00:00:12,984 code... 4 00:00:12,985 --> 00:00:15,974 uploading our very selves... 5 00:00:18,974 --> 00:00:21,044 ...to a place we call the cloud. 6 00:00:24,004 --> 00:00:27,093 But this cloud is grounded in hardware, 7 00:00:27,094 --> 00:00:29,163 a chaos of code. 8 00:00:29,164 --> 00:00:31,193 But with the right tools, 9 00:00:31,194 --> 00:00:35,004 you can find the signal in the noise. 10 00:00:48,994 --> 00:00:51,973 Nobody ever suspected anything. 11 00:00:51,974 --> 00:00:55,023 I was a newspaper editor, 12 00:00:55,024 --> 00:00:59,034 I coached, I was volunteering my time. 13 00:01:01,064 --> 00:01:03,023 I had really good friends, 14 00:01:03,024 --> 00:01:05,134 and I had a really good family. 15 00:01:08,984 --> 00:01:10,053 That's probably one of the reasons 16 00:01:10,054 --> 00:01:12,263 it came as such a shock to people when I was arrested. 17 00:01:14,074 --> 00:01:15,153 I've had to spend my whole life 18 00:01:15,154 --> 00:01:17,173 lying and explaining and being worried about, 19 00:01:17,174 --> 00:01:20,014 "Is someone going to figure this out?" 20 00:01:21,174 --> 00:01:24,024 I've tried to control myself the best I could. 21 00:01:25,184 --> 00:01:29,064 I've tried to lead the best life that I possibly could. 22 00:01:30,064 --> 00:01:32,053 I know that my life would've been different, 23 00:01:32,054 --> 00:01:34,973 not wonderful, but at least better, 24 00:01:34,974 --> 00:01:37,084 if I'd never gone on the Internet. 25 00:02:28,194 --> 00:02:31,153 A girl on the other side of the world 26 00:02:31,154 --> 00:02:35,053 drawn into the darkest corner of the Internet. 27 00:02:35,054 --> 00:02:39,053 Here, you can find child porn, drugs, guns, 28 00:02:39,054 --> 00:02:42,093 fake passports, counterfeit money. 29 00:02:42,094 --> 00:02:44,143 It's a place where everyone is anonymous 30 00:02:44,144 --> 00:02:47,003 and invisible to law enforcement. 31 00:02:47,004 --> 00:02:49,084 Welcome to the Dark Web. 32 00:02:50,144 --> 00:02:53,143 You might be tempted to see it for yourself. 33 00:02:53,144 --> 00:02:55,203 And what's the harm? 34 00:02:55,204 --> 00:02:58,144 What's one more click? 35 00:03:20,104 --> 00:03:25,023 But if you show your body, 3,000, 5,000. 36 00:03:25,024 --> 00:03:28,143 In one show, in 30 minutes, 37 00:03:28,144 --> 00:03:30,983 it's easy. 38 00:03:30,984 --> 00:03:32,133 Child cybersex. 39 00:03:32,134 --> 00:03:36,074 It's an epidemic on the island of Cebu. 40 00:03:39,994 --> 00:03:41,113 Jonna Nunez, 41 00:03:41,114 --> 00:03:43,973 an outreach worker for the NGO FORGE 42 00:03:43,974 --> 00:03:46,033 is fighting it door-to-door. 43 00:03:46,034 --> 00:03:49,973 Even the little boy, even the little girl, 44 00:03:49,974 --> 00:03:52,023 they know already 45 00:03:52,024 --> 00:03:55,173 what is cyber pornography. 46 00:03:55,174 --> 00:03:57,173 It's a show-show 47 00:03:57,174 --> 00:04:00,103 to remove your clothes, 48 00:04:00,104 --> 00:04:02,983 to show your body to the computer, 49 00:04:02,984 --> 00:04:04,174 to the Internet. 50 00:04:55,084 --> 00:04:57,033 Internet access 51 00:04:57,034 --> 00:04:58,163 is growing faster in the Philippines 52 00:04:58,164 --> 00:05:00,113 than almost anywhere in the world, 53 00:05:00,114 --> 00:05:04,013 and 80% of it is broadband. 54 00:05:04,014 --> 00:05:06,983 On the other end of these cables are servers, 55 00:05:06,984 --> 00:05:09,073 some hidden in the Dark Web. 56 00:05:09,074 --> 00:05:10,193 You need a special browser 57 00:05:10,194 --> 00:05:12,983 to access this part of the Internet, 58 00:05:12,984 --> 00:05:16,093 one that conceals your computer's IP address. 59 00:05:16,094 --> 00:05:19,973 The first of these browsers was Tor, the Onion Router, 60 00:05:19,974 --> 00:05:23,133 named for its layers of encryption. 61 00:05:23,134 --> 00:05:27,053 Tor and the Dark Web was originally a project 62 00:05:27,054 --> 00:05:28,993 started by the Navy Research Lab 63 00:05:28,994 --> 00:05:30,043 here in the United States 64 00:05:30,044 --> 00:05:32,033 to protect the communications 65 00:05:32,034 --> 00:05:34,164 of U.S. government personnel. 66 00:05:36,004 --> 00:05:37,163 Greg Virgin spent eight years 67 00:05:37,164 --> 00:05:40,973 working for the NSA and the Department of Defense. 68 00:05:40,974 --> 00:05:43,033 Later, with his own cyber security company, 69 00:05:43,034 --> 00:05:45,043 he helped make Tor a useful tool 70 00:05:45,044 --> 00:05:47,063 for political dissidents abroad, 71 00:05:47,064 --> 00:05:49,003 giving them a safe way to communicate 72 00:05:49,004 --> 00:05:51,123 without fear of reprisal. 73 00:05:51,124 --> 00:05:54,183 So, Tor project has servers 74 00:05:54,184 --> 00:05:57,973 all over the world, 75 00:05:57,974 --> 00:06:02,013 and those servers accept connections 76 00:06:02,014 --> 00:06:04,053 from users like our guy here, 77 00:06:04,054 --> 00:06:07,983 and then bounces that signal around. 78 00:06:07,984 --> 00:06:09,173 All of these connections are encrypted, 79 00:06:09,174 --> 00:06:14,043 so no one can piece together who this person is 80 00:06:14,044 --> 00:06:17,043 and what this person is doing. 81 00:06:17,044 --> 00:06:19,153 The government made Tor freely available, 82 00:06:19,154 --> 00:06:22,993 and it was soon put to more sinister use. 83 00:06:22,994 --> 00:06:25,113 The Dark Web was born. 84 00:06:25,114 --> 00:06:29,013 Every day, an estimated 2.5 million people 85 00:06:29,014 --> 00:06:31,133 use Tor to visit the Dark Web. 86 00:06:31,134 --> 00:06:33,203 The amount of child porn here is staggering... 87 00:06:33,204 --> 00:06:37,163 over 100 million sexually explicit images of children, 88 00:06:37,164 --> 00:06:41,203 not to mention live streaming on webcams. 89 00:06:41,204 --> 00:06:44,053 So, I've just opened up the Tor browser, 90 00:06:44,054 --> 00:06:47,053 and now it's possible for us 91 00:06:47,054 --> 00:06:50,083 to anonymously browse the Dark Net. 92 00:06:50,084 --> 00:06:53,023 To avoid breaking the law himself, 93 00:06:53,024 --> 00:06:56,973 Greg looks only at text, not images. 94 00:06:56,974 --> 00:06:59,103 This is a site that's live right now. 95 00:06:59,104 --> 00:07:02,203 You can see that there's a really disturbing trend 96 00:07:02,204 --> 00:07:04,983 toward younger and younger children 97 00:07:04,984 --> 00:07:07,163 that the Dark Web fosters, 98 00:07:07,164 --> 00:07:10,063 some ages as young as infants. 99 00:07:10,064 --> 00:07:13,083 There's even a term called "pedo mom" 100 00:07:13,084 --> 00:07:17,023 for mothers who are trading their children around 101 00:07:17,024 --> 00:07:18,143 in the community. 102 00:07:18,144 --> 00:07:20,033 There have been a number of sites 103 00:07:20,034 --> 00:07:21,993 dedicated to child torture, 104 00:07:21,994 --> 00:07:24,023 conversations about 105 00:07:24,024 --> 00:07:27,053 exactly how to torture a child. 106 00:07:27,054 --> 00:07:29,023 Greg's goal is to understand 107 00:07:29,024 --> 00:07:31,103 how child porn is traded on the Dark Web 108 00:07:31,104 --> 00:07:34,163 so that law enforcement can stay a step ahead. 109 00:07:34,164 --> 00:07:36,183 Just to gain access to these sites, 110 00:07:36,184 --> 00:07:40,083 you have to trade in original child abuse content. 111 00:07:40,084 --> 00:07:43,973 They are getting you to break the law 112 00:07:43,974 --> 00:07:46,033 to make sure you're not law enforcement, 113 00:07:46,034 --> 00:07:48,023 and weeding out people 114 00:07:48,024 --> 00:07:50,154 who aren't authentic pedophiles. 115 00:07:51,154 --> 00:07:54,053 It's a community of relentless users 116 00:07:54,054 --> 00:07:58,973 that's becoming more and more difficult for law enforcement, 117 00:07:58,974 --> 00:08:01,994 for analysts to break into. 118 00:08:09,034 --> 00:08:12,043 Are you holding Winnie? 119 00:08:12,044 --> 00:08:13,103 - I am holding... - Or G.I. Joe? 120 00:08:13,104 --> 00:08:14,193 No, I'm holding Winnie. 121 00:08:14,194 --> 00:08:15,203 So sweet. 122 00:08:15,204 --> 00:08:16,993 Yeah, who knew? 123 00:08:16,994 --> 00:08:19,013 Yeah, well. 124 00:08:19,014 --> 00:08:21,203 That's a sweet picture. 125 00:08:21,204 --> 00:08:23,033 Yeah. 126 00:08:23,034 --> 00:08:24,973 He has one little finger sticking out there. 127 00:08:25,994 --> 00:08:27,163 I think I started having 128 00:08:27,164 --> 00:08:30,073 feelings of sexual attraction toward children, 129 00:08:30,074 --> 00:08:32,984 probably when I was about 15 or 16. 130 00:08:34,084 --> 00:08:35,163 I can't explain the attraction, 131 00:08:35,164 --> 00:08:38,164 all I can tell you is I wish to God I didn't have it. 132 00:08:40,044 --> 00:08:42,033 I watched child pornography 133 00:08:42,034 --> 00:08:44,164 and searched for child pornography every night. 134 00:08:46,124 --> 00:08:48,053 I looked at pictures of children that were nude, 135 00:08:48,054 --> 00:08:50,073 and yes, I did look at pictures 136 00:08:50,074 --> 00:08:52,053 and films of children in sexual acts 137 00:08:52,054 --> 00:08:54,084 with other children and with adults. 138 00:08:55,164 --> 00:08:58,073 David says he has never had physical contact 139 00:08:58,074 --> 00:09:00,193 or webcam sex with a child. 140 00:09:00,194 --> 00:09:04,053 He was arrested in 2012 for possessing child pornography 141 00:09:04,054 --> 00:09:06,983 and for buying it on the Internet. 142 00:09:06,984 --> 00:09:09,133 The feelings are overpowering. 143 00:09:09,134 --> 00:09:11,174 It just... it runs through your entire body. 144 00:09:13,974 --> 00:09:17,134 The power of that addiction trumps everything. 145 00:09:19,204 --> 00:09:22,003 The only two things that would stop me 146 00:09:22,004 --> 00:09:23,983 from looking at child pornography 147 00:09:23,984 --> 00:09:25,151 was being arrested or dying. 148 00:09:35,064 --> 00:09:37,043 I'm interested in getting 149 00:09:37,044 --> 00:09:39,003 into these individual's minds, 150 00:09:39,004 --> 00:09:40,133 this very secret place 151 00:09:40,134 --> 00:09:43,154 of being aroused by a situation like that. 152 00:09:50,104 --> 00:09:52,123 At a high-security 153 00:09:52,124 --> 00:09:54,093 psychiatric hospital in Montreal 154 00:09:54,094 --> 00:09:58,193 is a darkroom known as La Cave... The Vault. 155 00:09:58,194 --> 00:10:02,003 Here, Patrice Renaud and his team of psychologists 156 00:10:02,004 --> 00:10:06,063 probe the innermost thoughts of convicted sex offenders. 157 00:10:08,144 --> 00:10:12,183 We start by installing the EEG cap. 158 00:10:12,184 --> 00:10:16,163 We then proceed with the stereoscopic glasses 159 00:10:16,164 --> 00:10:20,183 in which we have a built-in eye-tracking device. 160 00:10:20,184 --> 00:10:23,983 We then ask the subject 161 00:10:23,984 --> 00:10:26,173 to install himself the penile gauge, 162 00:10:26,174 --> 00:10:29,973 which gives us an idea of the tumescence, 163 00:10:29,974 --> 00:10:32,153 that is the level of erection that the guy present 164 00:10:32,154 --> 00:10:35,194 at every moment during the procedure. 165 00:10:37,194 --> 00:10:39,133 We then present 166 00:10:39,134 --> 00:10:42,153 a series of animations and visual immersion 167 00:10:42,154 --> 00:10:46,193 that brings the individual back to a state 168 00:10:46,194 --> 00:10:50,034 and the place that brought them to offend. 169 00:10:51,974 --> 00:10:53,983 Children are playing in a nearby pool, 170 00:10:53,984 --> 00:10:57,993 and you notice a little girl about 8 to 10 years old 171 00:10:57,994 --> 00:11:01,993 who is walking away from the pool toward you. 172 00:11:01,994 --> 00:11:06,113 You are thinking about how much you would like to touch her. 173 00:11:06,114 --> 00:11:09,073 While the subject is immersed 174 00:11:09,074 --> 00:11:11,103 in this virtual scene of the crime, 175 00:11:11,104 --> 00:11:15,193 the team monitors his physiological responses. 176 00:11:15,194 --> 00:11:18,053 If he tries to suppress his erection by looking away, 177 00:11:18,054 --> 00:11:20,983 the eye-tracking catches him. 178 00:11:20,984 --> 00:11:23,003 The results are used to determine 179 00:11:23,004 --> 00:11:25,003 how dangerous the offender is 180 00:11:25,004 --> 00:11:27,104 and whether he needs to be incarcerated. 181 00:11:30,114 --> 00:11:31,163 With the guy 182 00:11:31,164 --> 00:11:33,193 that we're working with at the moment, 183 00:11:33,194 --> 00:11:36,023 we recreated a scene 184 00:11:36,024 --> 00:11:37,193 in which he was molesting 185 00:11:37,194 --> 00:11:41,123 a 6-year-old girl in his apartment 186 00:11:41,124 --> 00:11:44,123 and killing her afterward, sadly. 187 00:11:44,124 --> 00:11:47,083 So, we want to understand 188 00:11:47,084 --> 00:11:51,133 what motive the individual had at the moment. 189 00:11:51,134 --> 00:11:52,203 Is the killing 190 00:11:52,204 --> 00:11:56,973 also a sexual part of the crime? 191 00:11:56,974 --> 00:11:59,983 So, it becomes a way 192 00:11:59,984 --> 00:12:03,193 to go even deeper in the psyche of the individual 193 00:12:03,194 --> 00:12:06,983 as it comes to his sexual preferences. 194 00:12:06,984 --> 00:12:10,973 An estimated 1% of men are pedophiles, 195 00:12:10,974 --> 00:12:13,023 meaning that their dominant sexual attraction 196 00:12:13,024 --> 00:12:15,033 is to prepubescent children, 197 00:12:15,034 --> 00:12:17,023 even if they never act on it. 198 00:12:17,024 --> 00:12:19,103 Many psychologists see pedophilia 199 00:12:19,104 --> 00:12:21,003 as a deep-rooted preference 200 00:12:21,004 --> 00:12:24,094 that can't be changed, only managed. 201 00:12:36,064 --> 00:12:37,193 An undercover investigator 202 00:12:37,194 --> 00:12:39,073 with the Children's Legal Bureau, 203 00:12:39,074 --> 00:12:43,004 a Filipino NGO, is meeting with his informant. 204 00:13:01,104 --> 00:13:03,013 The couple is allegedly 205 00:13:03,014 --> 00:13:05,053 abusing their own children on webcam 206 00:13:05,054 --> 00:13:08,013 for foreign customers. 207 00:13:08,014 --> 00:13:09,993 These are photos from the case file. 208 00:13:09,994 --> 00:13:13,163 The older daughter, age 12, 209 00:13:13,164 --> 00:13:16,074 and the younger one, age 10. 210 00:15:10,144 --> 00:15:11,984 Okay. 211 00:18:47,124 --> 00:18:49,193 My name is Sweetie. 212 00:18:49,194 --> 00:18:51,163 I'm 10 years old. 213 00:18:51,164 --> 00:18:54,033 I live in the Philippines. 214 00:18:54,034 --> 00:18:58,113 Every day, I have to sit in front of the webcam 215 00:18:58,114 --> 00:19:00,033 and talk to men. 216 00:19:00,034 --> 00:19:03,073 They play with themselves. 217 00:19:03,074 --> 00:19:05,193 They want me play with myself. 218 00:19:05,194 --> 00:19:09,093 But what they don't know... 219 00:19:09,094 --> 00:19:11,113 I'm not real. 220 00:19:11,114 --> 00:19:13,193 I'm a computer model. 221 00:19:13,194 --> 00:19:15,133 "Sweetie" was the bait 222 00:19:15,134 --> 00:19:17,083 in a global sting operation 223 00:19:17,084 --> 00:19:22,023 conducted by the Dutch NGO, Terre des Hommes, in 2013. 224 00:19:22,024 --> 00:19:24,113 As soon as I go online, 225 00:19:24,114 --> 00:19:26,163 they come to me. 226 00:19:26,164 --> 00:19:30,203 10... 100 every hour. 227 00:19:30,204 --> 00:19:33,993 So many. 228 00:19:33,994 --> 00:19:35,993 Sweetie fooled more men 229 00:19:35,994 --> 00:19:38,023 than anyone could've imagined. 230 00:19:38,024 --> 00:19:41,023 Over a 10-week period, more than 20,000 guys 231 00:19:41,024 --> 00:19:43,123 offered to pay her for webcam sex. 232 00:19:43,124 --> 00:19:46,053 1,000 of them gave up personal information 233 00:19:46,054 --> 00:19:48,063 from 71 countries. 234 00:19:48,064 --> 00:19:51,053 If you think that's a lot of customers, consider this... 235 00:19:51,054 --> 00:19:54,123 Sweetie was only introduced in 19 chatrooms, 236 00:19:54,124 --> 00:19:55,983 but the FBI estimates 237 00:19:55,984 --> 00:19:58,113 that there are over 40,000 chatrooms 238 00:19:58,114 --> 00:19:59,983 where, at any given moment, 239 00:19:59,984 --> 00:20:04,013 3/4 of a million people are looking for child porn. 240 00:20:04,014 --> 00:20:06,083 The original Sweetie was controlled 241 00:20:06,084 --> 00:20:09,193 by four researchers in an Amsterdam warehouse. 242 00:20:09,194 --> 00:20:13,113 Sweetie 2.0 will be able to generate her own dialogue 243 00:20:13,114 --> 00:20:15,083 and carry on thousands of conversations 244 00:20:15,084 --> 00:20:17,013 at the same time, 245 00:20:17,014 --> 00:20:18,173 but only if she can gain access 246 00:20:18,174 --> 00:20:22,173 to the heavily encrypted sites where child porn is traded. 247 00:20:22,174 --> 00:20:24,013 Sweetie may have evolved, 248 00:20:24,014 --> 00:20:27,053 but the Dark Web is evolving faster. 249 00:20:27,054 --> 00:20:28,973 At some point, 250 00:20:28,974 --> 00:20:32,104 doing the investigations is going to become too hard. 251 00:20:33,084 --> 00:20:35,973 I don't feel that there's a way around the encryption, 252 00:20:35,974 --> 00:20:38,113 and I do honestly feel 253 00:20:38,114 --> 00:20:40,073 that it's only a matter of time 254 00:20:40,074 --> 00:20:45,113 before we have very private, very inaccessible sites 255 00:20:45,114 --> 00:20:47,063 that perform very well 256 00:20:47,064 --> 00:20:50,013 and give this particular class of consumer 257 00:20:50,014 --> 00:20:52,053 everything that they need. 258 00:20:52,054 --> 00:20:54,043 I would say it's moving twice as fast 259 00:20:54,044 --> 00:20:56,973 as some of the trends in cyber security. 260 00:20:56,974 --> 00:21:00,034 I think we've only got a couple more years. 261 00:21:02,124 --> 00:21:03,993 As a sting operation, 262 00:21:03,994 --> 00:21:06,203 Sweetie was not entirely successful. 263 00:21:06,204 --> 00:21:11,183 Europol warned that some judges would consider it entrapment. 264 00:21:11,184 --> 00:21:14,023 Of those 20,000 men who took the bait, 265 00:21:14,024 --> 00:21:17,063 only 6 have been convicted. 266 00:21:17,064 --> 00:21:18,183 But there's no doubt that Sweetie helped 267 00:21:18,184 --> 00:21:22,143 raise awareness about child cybersex. 268 00:21:27,034 --> 00:21:31,973 Shortly after my arrest... 269 00:21:31,974 --> 00:21:34,063 "To me, since my arrest..." 270 00:21:34,064 --> 00:21:36,183 Okay. 271 00:21:36,184 --> 00:21:38,053 And my phone number. 272 00:21:38,054 --> 00:21:40,153 Oh, and your phone number. 273 00:21:40,154 --> 00:21:42,173 I was released on the conditions 274 00:21:42,174 --> 00:21:44,083 that I couldn't use the Internet 275 00:21:44,084 --> 00:21:45,203 or have a computer in my home, 276 00:21:45,204 --> 00:21:47,013 and that I couldn't go anywhere 277 00:21:47,014 --> 00:21:48,163 where children would congregate, 278 00:21:48,164 --> 00:21:50,063 like parks 279 00:21:50,064 --> 00:21:53,084 or recreation centers, swimming pools. 280 00:21:55,994 --> 00:21:58,043 When I was looking at children on the Internet, 281 00:21:58,044 --> 00:21:59,153 I hated myself for doing it. 282 00:21:59,154 --> 00:22:02,993 I knew it was wrong. 283 00:22:02,994 --> 00:22:04,183 I knew the children in child pornography 284 00:22:04,184 --> 00:22:05,993 had been abused, 285 00:22:05,994 --> 00:22:08,993 and they suffered horrible consequences 286 00:22:08,994 --> 00:22:10,203 for the rest of their lives. 287 00:22:10,204 --> 00:22:12,193 Sometimes I would just stare at these kids and wonder like, 288 00:22:12,194 --> 00:22:14,043 you know, where are they now, 289 00:22:14,044 --> 00:22:16,053 and what horrible things they've gone through in their life. 290 00:22:16,054 --> 00:22:19,153 You think about it sort of in the abstract, 291 00:22:19,154 --> 00:22:23,013 but it doesn't stop you from doing what you're doing. 292 00:22:23,014 --> 00:22:26,013 Psychologists call this "dissociation"... 293 00:22:26,014 --> 00:22:27,203 a screen allows you to detach 294 00:22:27,204 --> 00:22:30,063 your real self from your online behavior 295 00:22:30,064 --> 00:22:32,033 and create an alternative reality 296 00:22:32,034 --> 00:22:35,103 where social norms no longer apply. 297 00:22:35,104 --> 00:22:38,003 I'm not defending looking at child pornography, 298 00:22:38,004 --> 00:22:40,123 but if people weren't producing it, 299 00:22:40,124 --> 00:22:42,204 we wouldn't be looking at it. 300 00:22:47,204 --> 00:22:50,053 Producers of child pornography in the Philippines 301 00:22:50,054 --> 00:22:52,143 are being targeted. 302 00:22:52,144 --> 00:22:55,054 Every so often, another raid makes the news. 303 00:22:58,984 --> 00:23:00,123 Children watch the police 304 00:23:00,124 --> 00:23:03,024 take their parents away in handcuffs. 305 00:23:04,094 --> 00:23:07,053 The children are relocated to a government shelter 306 00:23:07,054 --> 00:23:09,471 where they live until their parents serve out prison terms. 307 00:23:13,034 --> 00:23:16,043 But fighting child cybersex at the source 308 00:23:16,044 --> 00:23:17,173 is like fighting the heroin trade 309 00:23:17,174 --> 00:23:19,153 by spraying poppy fields. 310 00:23:19,154 --> 00:23:21,093 If global demand is strong enough, 311 00:23:21,094 --> 00:23:23,173 there will always be people eager to meet it, 312 00:23:23,174 --> 00:23:27,183 especially in poor countries like the Philippines. 313 00:23:29,984 --> 00:23:32,063 For over two years, 314 00:23:32,064 --> 00:23:34,013 the Children's Legal Bureau has been trying 315 00:23:34,014 --> 00:23:35,973 to get the local police to arrest the couple 316 00:23:35,974 --> 00:23:38,984 allegedly pimping their own children. 317 00:23:50,064 --> 00:23:53,143 The investigators have built an impressive case, 318 00:23:53,144 --> 00:23:56,003 including a floor plan of the house... 319 00:23:56,004 --> 00:23:58,993 everything they need for a search warrant. 320 00:23:58,994 --> 00:24:01,103 But every time they schedule a case conference, 321 00:24:01,104 --> 00:24:03,183 the police postpone. 322 00:24:03,184 --> 00:24:07,113 You'd think the community would be up in arms. 323 00:24:07,114 --> 00:24:10,123 The community, they already know 324 00:24:10,124 --> 00:24:13,013 the operation of this family, 325 00:24:13,014 --> 00:24:16,023 but some of the neighbors depend on this family 326 00:24:16,024 --> 00:24:20,073 because they can easy borrow money from them, 327 00:24:20,074 --> 00:24:25,034 so it's better to keep silence and do nothing. 328 00:24:27,134 --> 00:24:29,143 What we're seeing right now on the Dark Web 329 00:24:29,144 --> 00:24:31,153 is market creation. 330 00:24:31,154 --> 00:24:36,013 So, in much the same way there were a bunch 331 00:24:36,014 --> 00:24:40,083 of failed social media site attempts before Facebook, 332 00:24:40,084 --> 00:24:43,193 what we see in the Dark Web is sites, forums 333 00:24:43,194 --> 00:24:45,083 that are coming and going 334 00:24:45,084 --> 00:24:47,203 in a community of relentless users 335 00:24:47,204 --> 00:24:49,073 who are really working to build 336 00:24:49,074 --> 00:24:52,153 what hopefully I'm wrong about, 337 00:24:52,154 --> 00:24:57,003 is this more perfect way of sharing child pornography. 338 00:24:57,004 --> 00:25:01,153 If 1% of the general population really has these cravings, 339 00:25:01,154 --> 00:25:05,043 think about the amount of currently unmet demands 340 00:25:05,044 --> 00:25:07,163 these networks could be meeting. 341 00:25:07,164 --> 00:25:11,044 It's a very dangerous time. 342 00:25:13,004 --> 00:25:16,043 It's a bit like an arms race, in a sense, 343 00:25:16,044 --> 00:25:17,973 because with the advent 344 00:25:17,974 --> 00:25:21,103 of Internet and virtual reality, 345 00:25:21,104 --> 00:25:23,143 pornography evolves, 346 00:25:23,144 --> 00:25:26,083 and child pornography will evolve, 347 00:25:26,084 --> 00:25:29,203 and we try to be always a step ahead. 348 00:25:29,204 --> 00:25:32,023 Professor Renaud and his team 349 00:25:32,024 --> 00:25:34,183 are exploring the use of virtual reality 350 00:25:34,184 --> 00:25:37,143 to help pedophiles control their impulses. 351 00:25:37,144 --> 00:25:40,013 Even if something bad happens here, 352 00:25:40,014 --> 00:25:41,163 let's say he has a full-on erection, 353 00:25:41,164 --> 00:25:44,123 there is absolutely no children... it's virtual. 354 00:25:44,124 --> 00:25:47,993 Which raises an intriguing question. 355 00:25:47,994 --> 00:25:50,133 What if child avatars like Sweetie 356 00:25:50,134 --> 00:25:54,103 could be used as virtual partners for pedophiles... 357 00:25:54,104 --> 00:25:57,153 a safe way to satisfy their urges? 358 00:25:57,154 --> 00:26:01,013 Maybe fewer real children would be harmed. 359 00:26:01,014 --> 00:26:03,083 It's a risky proposition. 360 00:26:03,084 --> 00:26:07,993 For some men, it might have the opposite effect. 361 00:26:07,994 --> 00:26:12,013 Using virtual reality to experience sexuality 362 00:26:12,014 --> 00:26:15,063 is a very delicate matter 363 00:26:15,064 --> 00:26:20,033 since some fantasies may be lived very intensely 364 00:26:20,034 --> 00:26:24,003 and can leave traits in the brain. 365 00:26:24,004 --> 00:26:26,203 So where is the boundary? Where's the limits? 366 00:26:26,204 --> 00:26:31,033 What can we really allow an individual to do? 367 00:26:31,034 --> 00:26:35,113 There's no cure, there's no crackdown 368 00:26:35,114 --> 00:26:37,053 that will delete child pornography 369 00:26:37,054 --> 00:26:39,013 from our world. 370 00:26:39,014 --> 00:26:43,123 We're left to our own devices and our ability 371 00:26:43,124 --> 00:26:47,194 to learn that every click has consequences. 372 00:26:48,164 --> 00:26:52,183 I don't think anybody can explain their attractions. 373 00:26:52,184 --> 00:26:54,114 I think it's the luck of the draw. 374 00:26:56,154 --> 00:27:00,113 We can't control what we are. 375 00:27:00,114 --> 00:27:02,983 What we can control is what we do. 376 00:27:02,984 --> 00:27:04,133 Meanwhile, 377 00:27:04,134 --> 00:27:07,123 child cybersex continues to spread, 378 00:27:07,124 --> 00:27:10,123 especially in the developing world. 379 00:27:10,124 --> 00:27:12,113 If we can address the poverty, 380 00:27:12,114 --> 00:27:15,133 if we can address the vulnerability, 381 00:27:15,134 --> 00:27:17,163 that is really what we should be doing 382 00:27:17,164 --> 00:27:20,094 regardless of what's happening online. 383 00:27:32,074 --> 00:27:34,123 We are fighting this battle 384 00:27:34,124 --> 00:27:37,154 for the future of our children. 30995

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