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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,131 --> 00:00:08,634 - [Operator] Newport Beach 911. - [Woman] I need a ambulance 2 00:00:08,634 --> 00:00:10,886 right away, someone's been stabbed. 3 00:00:10,886 --> 00:00:13,722 - It's a girl. - Do you see blood? 4 00:00:13,722 --> 00:00:15,140 - Yes. 5 00:00:15,140 --> 00:00:17,935 I felt like I caused this. 6 00:00:17,935 --> 00:00:20,395 This is the last thing I ever wanted to happen. 7 00:00:20,395 --> 00:00:21,897 [dramatic music] 8 00:00:21,897 --> 00:00:23,691 I'm a reporter for the Los Angeles Times. 9 00:00:23,691 --> 00:00:26,861 I wrote the series "Dirty John" and the podcast. 10 00:00:26,861 --> 00:00:30,197 There are life-and-death stakes in this story. 11 00:00:30,197 --> 00:00:32,240 I met John online. 12 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:34,075 He made me feel wonderful. 13 00:00:34,075 --> 00:00:36,328 It was the best feeling in the world. 14 00:00:36,328 --> 00:00:39,540 His profile said that he was single, a doctor. 15 00:00:39,540 --> 00:00:42,083 Everything you want to see in a man. 16 00:00:42,083 --> 00:00:44,628 -John was very attractive. Very, very charming. 17 00:00:44,628 --> 00:00:47,006 [Reporter] Many women were terrorized. 18 00:00:47,006 --> 00:00:48,757 John Meehan was a serial predator. 19 00:00:48,757 --> 00:00:51,301 He went from victim to victim. 20 00:00:51,301 --> 00:00:53,679 Took what he could and found a new one. 21 00:00:53,679 --> 00:00:55,639 [young lady] I knew he was trying 22 00:00:55,639 --> 00:00:57,474 to hurt my mom, hurt my family. 23 00:00:57,474 --> 00:00:58,976 I hated John. 24 00:01:00,268 --> 00:01:01,687 [woman] He broke me in half. 25 00:01:01,687 --> 00:01:03,438 I was a good person. 26 00:01:03,438 --> 00:01:05,440 Hi, Mom! 27 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:07,568 He's going to turn on you and destroy your life. 28 00:01:07,568 --> 00:01:09,737 29 00:01:09,737 --> 00:01:12,489 John is the most dangerous, devious individual 30 00:01:12,489 --> 00:01:13,866 that I ever prosecuted. 31 00:01:13,866 --> 00:01:15,200 - We arrested him, 32 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:17,661 and inside the backpack he had a revolver, 33 00:01:17,661 --> 00:01:19,371 hundreds of rounds of ammo. 34 00:01:19,371 --> 00:01:21,665 I knew that John was capable of murder. 35 00:01:21,665 --> 00:01:23,625 - One of the lessons of this story 36 00:01:23,625 --> 00:01:26,420 is that monsters don't always look like monsters. 37 00:01:27,504 --> 00:01:29,130 [woman screams] 38 00:01:29,130 --> 00:01:31,425 39 00:01:36,805 --> 00:01:39,725 [mellow music] 40 00:01:39,725 --> 00:01:41,769 41 00:01:41,769 --> 00:01:44,521 - In 2014, I was single, 42 00:01:44,521 --> 00:01:46,523 having a good time. 43 00:01:46,523 --> 00:01:49,443 Successful, full life... 44 00:01:49,443 --> 00:01:51,987 with family, friends, and work. 45 00:01:51,987 --> 00:01:54,698 I'm a interior designer. 46 00:01:54,698 --> 00:01:57,659 I've been doing it 35 years. 47 00:01:57,659 --> 00:01:59,620 I love what I do... 48 00:01:59,620 --> 00:02:01,455 and I felt like I had 49 00:02:01,455 --> 00:02:04,165 this one thing missing... 50 00:02:04,165 --> 00:02:05,834 and it was love. 51 00:02:07,210 --> 00:02:08,378 Companionship. 52 00:02:10,005 --> 00:02:12,716 I realized I just wanted 53 00:02:12,716 --> 00:02:13,968 to be loved. 54 00:02:13,968 --> 00:02:17,012 I think the older you get... 55 00:02:17,012 --> 00:02:20,015 there are less available men 56 00:02:20,015 --> 00:02:22,309 that are healthy 57 00:02:22,309 --> 00:02:24,394 and happy and successful. 58 00:02:24,394 --> 00:02:26,187 59 00:02:26,187 --> 00:02:28,231 I met John online. 60 00:02:28,231 --> 00:02:31,276 One thing about John's profile 61 00:02:31,276 --> 00:02:33,695 that I recall is that everything 62 00:02:33,695 --> 00:02:36,239 I was looking for in a man seemed to be 63 00:02:36,239 --> 00:02:37,783 in his profile. 64 00:02:37,783 --> 00:02:39,910 I wanted a man that went to church, 65 00:02:39,910 --> 00:02:42,329 someone that was 66 00:02:42,329 --> 00:02:44,164 into his family, 67 00:02:44,164 --> 00:02:46,792 successful, intelligent. 68 00:02:46,792 --> 00:02:48,460 I'm looking at this thinking, 69 00:02:48,460 --> 00:02:51,212 "John's a great catch. 70 00:02:51,212 --> 00:02:54,341 "He's a doctor, he's... 71 00:02:54,341 --> 00:02:56,259 seemed so genuine." 72 00:02:56,259 --> 00:02:59,596 [man] What Debra Newell didn't know was that 73 00:02:59,596 --> 00:03:02,975 John Meehan was a serial predator. 74 00:03:02,975 --> 00:03:05,184 He went from victim to victim, 75 00:03:05,184 --> 00:03:07,521 took what he could, and found a new one. 76 00:03:07,521 --> 00:03:09,690 He would terrorize them. 77 00:03:09,690 --> 00:03:12,067 [suspenseful music] 78 00:03:12,067 --> 00:03:14,402 I haven't had the best luck... 79 00:03:14,402 --> 00:03:15,863 in the love department. 80 00:03:15,863 --> 00:03:19,074 I am very protective of my mom in general. 81 00:03:19,074 --> 00:03:21,827 The guys that she was married to before 82 00:03:21,827 --> 00:03:24,705 took complete advantage of her. 83 00:03:24,705 --> 00:03:26,623 Debra Newell had had a bad break-up 84 00:03:26,623 --> 00:03:29,168 with a prior boyfriend, she was feeling vulnerable. 85 00:03:29,168 --> 00:03:31,920 And John seemed like the complete package. 86 00:03:33,797 --> 00:03:36,050 Monsters don't always look like monsters. 87 00:03:36,050 --> 00:03:39,427 He looked like a doctor out of casting central, 88 00:03:39,427 --> 00:03:41,889 so if you're going to impersonate a doctor 89 00:03:41,889 --> 00:03:44,516 it helps to look like you belong on the cast 90 00:03:44,516 --> 00:03:46,101 of "Grey's Anatomy." 91 00:03:46,101 --> 00:03:48,311 That's one of the reasons he was so dangerous. 92 00:03:48,311 --> 00:03:50,647 - Our first date, 93 00:03:50,647 --> 00:03:52,649 John talked about 94 00:03:52,649 --> 00:03:54,902 all his success, 95 00:03:54,902 --> 00:03:57,320 his family. 96 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:00,365 A very, very charming... 97 00:04:00,365 --> 00:04:02,201 intelligent man. 98 00:04:02,201 --> 00:04:05,662 He asked me a lot of questions about my life. 99 00:04:05,662 --> 00:04:08,582 It was almost surreal. 100 00:04:08,582 --> 00:04:12,044 I'm thinking, "Hmm, I really like this guy." 101 00:04:12,044 --> 00:04:14,796 We ended up walking back to my home. 102 00:04:14,796 --> 00:04:18,133 He went straight to my bedroom and laid on my bed. 103 00:04:18,133 --> 00:04:19,634 I just looked at him and I said, "Oh, no. 104 00:04:19,634 --> 00:04:22,012 Uh-uh. You need to leave." 105 00:04:22,012 --> 00:04:24,514 And I said, "That's not who I am." 106 00:04:24,514 --> 00:04:27,350 He was very persistent. 107 00:04:27,350 --> 00:04:30,104 Kept saying, "Just let me lay here a little bit longer." 108 00:04:30,104 --> 00:04:32,480 Well, I was quite disappointed. 109 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,692 The next day John calls me, 110 00:04:35,692 --> 00:04:37,819 asks for my forgiveness. 111 00:04:37,819 --> 00:04:40,405 I forgave him. 112 00:04:40,405 --> 00:04:42,116 Said, "Let's start over," 113 00:04:42,116 --> 00:04:45,786 uh, "let's go on another date." 114 00:04:45,786 --> 00:04:49,790 The first few weeks of dating were fantastic. 115 00:04:49,790 --> 00:04:52,667 He was doing everything right. 116 00:04:52,667 --> 00:04:55,295 He would always hold my hand, 117 00:04:55,295 --> 00:04:57,256 and we would walk and talk, 118 00:04:57,256 --> 00:04:59,299 sometimes for hours. 119 00:04:59,299 --> 00:05:01,843 He would tell me how beautiful I was, 120 00:05:01,843 --> 00:05:03,804 I'm his soul mate. 121 00:05:03,804 --> 00:05:06,681 I enjoyed being romanced. 122 00:05:06,681 --> 00:05:10,310 It was a little bit of a whirlwind, 123 00:05:10,310 --> 00:05:12,229 where he had pulled me in 124 00:05:12,229 --> 00:05:14,648 to where I couldn't go backwards. 125 00:05:14,648 --> 00:05:17,818 I was so convinced that John was the real thing. 126 00:05:17,818 --> 00:05:19,360 The way he treated me, 127 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,738 the way he looked in my eyes, 128 00:05:21,738 --> 00:05:24,491 the way he listened. 129 00:05:24,491 --> 00:05:26,660 - My mom seemed very happy, 130 00:05:26,660 --> 00:05:29,204 but I wanted her to look out 131 00:05:29,204 --> 00:05:30,664 for the red flags. 132 00:05:30,664 --> 00:05:34,168 And it was all happening so fast. 133 00:05:34,168 --> 00:05:38,922 My sister had suspicions way before I did. 134 00:05:38,922 --> 00:05:41,549 - During the reporting of the story I, uh, reached out 135 00:05:41,549 --> 00:05:43,677 to, uh, Debra's daughter, Jacquelyn, 136 00:05:43,677 --> 00:05:46,471 who was initially hesitant to talk to me. 137 00:05:46,471 --> 00:05:48,015 She was a very private person. 138 00:05:49,683 --> 00:05:53,312 - When I first met John Meehan, his scrubs were torn. 139 00:05:53,312 --> 00:05:56,606 I thought that he was a fake. 140 00:05:56,606 --> 00:05:59,400 I just had a very bad feeling about him. 141 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,445 I think my kids are very protective of me. 142 00:06:02,445 --> 00:06:05,157 That I see the best in everyone. 143 00:06:05,157 --> 00:06:08,660 - We're a very close family, 144 00:06:08,660 --> 00:06:10,954 we're all looking out after each other. 145 00:06:10,954 --> 00:06:13,748 - John and I started dating 146 00:06:13,748 --> 00:06:16,335 the beginning of October... 147 00:06:16,335 --> 00:06:19,087 and by the end of November he had basically 148 00:06:19,087 --> 00:06:20,630 moved in with me. 149 00:06:20,630 --> 00:06:24,301 I had found this perfect home in Balboa 150 00:06:24,301 --> 00:06:27,304 thinking this would be a good start. 151 00:06:27,304 --> 00:06:29,681 I had fallen in love with John 152 00:06:29,681 --> 00:06:31,725 and I wanted to get to know him. 153 00:06:31,725 --> 00:06:34,311 He never talked about his family. 154 00:06:34,311 --> 00:06:36,230 That's what was really odd. 155 00:06:36,230 --> 00:06:38,273 156 00:06:41,318 --> 00:06:44,571 [Goffard] John grew up in the San Jose area, 157 00:06:44,571 --> 00:06:47,615 and most of what I know about that period of his life 158 00:06:47,615 --> 00:06:49,659 I learned from his sisters. 159 00:06:49,659 --> 00:06:51,912 John had a father who romanticized 160 00:06:51,912 --> 00:06:54,497 the gangster lifestyle and the gangster ethos 161 00:06:54,497 --> 00:06:57,500 and brought John up to believe that if someone crossed you, 162 00:06:57,500 --> 00:06:59,502 you went after them twice as hard. 163 00:06:59,502 --> 00:07:01,671 If they wronged you, you broke their legs. 164 00:07:01,671 --> 00:07:03,631 [children laughing] 165 00:07:03,631 --> 00:07:05,884 - John told me that 166 00:07:05,884 --> 00:07:07,426 his whole family was dead, 167 00:07:07,426 --> 00:07:10,931 so he was all alone except for his kids. 168 00:07:10,931 --> 00:07:14,851 - John Meehan lied constantly about his family. 169 00:07:14,851 --> 00:07:18,397 He did have, uh, two sisters who are alive in California, 170 00:07:18,397 --> 00:07:20,732 and he had turned on them ferociously, 171 00:07:20,732 --> 00:07:23,110 in the way that he eventually turned on everybody. 172 00:07:23,110 --> 00:07:25,112 He was a good athlete. 173 00:07:25,112 --> 00:07:26,696 He played basketball in high school. 174 00:07:26,696 --> 00:07:28,407 Good-looking, charming, 175 00:07:28,407 --> 00:07:30,117 and learned at a very young age 176 00:07:30,117 --> 00:07:31,868 to be manipulative. 177 00:07:31,868 --> 00:07:34,537 That seemed to be his shortcut to getting his way in life. 178 00:07:34,537 --> 00:07:38,708 [man] I was John Meehan's best friend 179 00:07:38,708 --> 00:07:41,420 from 1974... 180 00:07:41,420 --> 00:07:44,089 to 1985. 181 00:07:44,089 --> 00:07:46,674 John was pretty studious, very smart. 182 00:07:46,674 --> 00:07:49,219 Always had books in his hand, 183 00:07:49,219 --> 00:07:50,511 along with a basketball. 184 00:07:50,511 --> 00:07:53,556 John never invited me over to his house. 185 00:07:53,556 --> 00:07:56,184 We didn't talk about his family that much. 186 00:07:56,184 --> 00:07:58,686 [Goffard] His father and mother had a bad break-up 187 00:07:58,686 --> 00:08:00,688 when John was in high school. 188 00:08:00,688 --> 00:08:02,316 The divorce had a devastating effect 189 00:08:02,316 --> 00:08:05,444 on the family, and I think John Meehan 190 00:08:05,444 --> 00:08:07,404 always blamed his mother 191 00:08:07,404 --> 00:08:09,572 for the erosion of the family. 192 00:08:09,572 --> 00:08:11,699 And that was the beginning of his journey 193 00:08:11,699 --> 00:08:13,701 toward the dark side. 194 00:08:13,701 --> 00:08:15,620 - John just came up to me and he said, 195 00:08:15,620 --> 00:08:17,622 "We can make so much money 196 00:08:17,622 --> 00:08:19,874 doing this gigolo thing." 197 00:08:19,874 --> 00:08:22,085 We would have sex with older women, 198 00:08:22,085 --> 00:08:23,503 and we'd make all this money. 199 00:08:23,503 --> 00:08:24,796 Couple hundred bucks a pop. 200 00:08:24,796 --> 00:08:26,465 Back then, that was a lot of money. 201 00:08:26,465 --> 00:08:29,592 John was always trying to make a quick buck. 202 00:08:29,592 --> 00:08:31,719 Besides the other women he was seeing, 203 00:08:31,719 --> 00:08:34,473 he had a steady girlfriend. 204 00:08:34,473 --> 00:08:37,392 - I met John Meehan when I was 20 years old 205 00:08:37,392 --> 00:08:40,061 working in a bank in Los Gatos, California. 206 00:08:40,061 --> 00:08:43,148 John told me he was a student at Stanford and was working 207 00:08:43,148 --> 00:08:44,649 as a surgical tech. 208 00:08:44,649 --> 00:08:47,652 John was very attractive, very, very charming. 209 00:08:47,652 --> 00:08:50,738 I believe John knew I was young, naive, 210 00:08:50,738 --> 00:08:53,241 and probably a little gullible. 211 00:08:53,241 --> 00:08:55,243 He would tell me he didn't want to be away from me, 212 00:08:55,243 --> 00:08:59,247 that he didn't want to spend time apart. 213 00:08:59,247 --> 00:09:02,542 I was very flattered by the attention from John. 214 00:09:02,542 --> 00:09:05,337 I just fell in love with him. 215 00:09:05,337 --> 00:09:07,214 216 00:09:07,214 --> 00:09:10,384 - When I was living with John, he was always in scrubs-- 217 00:09:10,384 --> 00:09:12,760 all the time, like 24/7. 218 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:14,929 He was trying to get into medical school, 219 00:09:14,929 --> 00:09:16,264 and it was very expensive. 220 00:09:16,264 --> 00:09:19,934 He started to dabble into drug sales. 221 00:09:19,934 --> 00:09:22,521 Cocaine. 222 00:09:22,521 --> 00:09:24,481 Then he started selling large amounts. 223 00:09:24,481 --> 00:09:26,733 - We'd go to dinner, his beeper would go off, 224 00:09:26,733 --> 00:09:28,360 we'd leave. 225 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:30,153 We'd go to the movies, his beeper would go off, 226 00:09:30,153 --> 00:09:31,446 we'd leave. 227 00:09:32,780 --> 00:09:34,282 - He started getting real big. 228 00:09:34,282 --> 00:09:36,868 He started bragging about how he was cutting 229 00:09:36,868 --> 00:09:39,996 the coke, and it was like half the grade it was 230 00:09:39,996 --> 00:09:41,415 when he got it. 231 00:09:41,415 --> 00:09:42,707 He saw green. 232 00:09:42,707 --> 00:09:44,292 It was money, money, money. 233 00:09:44,292 --> 00:09:46,753 All hours of the night people were coming over. 234 00:09:46,753 --> 00:09:49,130 3:00, 4:00, 5:00 in the morning. 235 00:09:49,130 --> 00:09:51,258 I saw a change in John. 236 00:09:51,258 --> 00:09:52,884 237 00:09:52,884 --> 00:09:55,011 One day John called me up 238 00:09:55,011 --> 00:09:56,930 and he goes, "You think you can set me up 239 00:09:56,930 --> 00:09:59,474 with my partners with some coke?" 240 00:09:59,474 --> 00:10:02,310 And it was for three kilos. 241 00:10:02,310 --> 00:10:03,770 You know, and I was dumb. 242 00:10:03,770 --> 00:10:07,232 I was not--I wasn't the big dealer like him. 243 00:10:07,232 --> 00:10:08,649 And I said, "Okay, yeah, yeah. 244 00:10:08,649 --> 00:10:09,859 I got some guys." 245 00:10:09,859 --> 00:10:11,611 I went and set it up. 246 00:10:13,154 --> 00:10:15,532 That night the coke was brought in. 247 00:10:15,532 --> 00:10:18,326 We were partying, young and dumb, 248 00:10:18,326 --> 00:10:21,413 and the door just came-- a hole through it. 249 00:10:21,413 --> 00:10:23,498 [man] Police! 250 00:10:23,498 --> 00:10:25,333 - They say, "We're ATF. Hit the floor." 251 00:10:25,333 --> 00:10:26,918 I was scared [bleep]. 252 00:10:26,918 --> 00:10:29,463 They put pillow cases on everybody's head 253 00:10:29,463 --> 00:10:31,839 and they took 'em to different departments 254 00:10:31,839 --> 00:10:34,842 so no one would know who the snitch was. 255 00:10:34,842 --> 00:10:36,677 I knew who the snitch was. 256 00:10:36,677 --> 00:10:38,555 I knew it was John. 257 00:10:39,514 --> 00:10:42,642 258 00:10:42,642 --> 00:10:45,019 [Joe Loeffler ] John and I set up 259 00:10:42,642 --> 00:10:45,019 a coke deal, 260 00:10:45,019 --> 00:10:47,147 and it was for three kilos. 261 00:10:47,147 --> 00:10:48,940 Coke was brought in 262 00:10:48,940 --> 00:10:51,776 and the door just came-- a hole through it. 263 00:10:51,776 --> 00:10:53,861 [man] Police! 264 00:10:53,861 --> 00:10:58,408 The people in the restaurant were all ATF agents. 265 00:10:58,408 --> 00:11:00,535 Supposedly the largest bust 266 00:11:00,535 --> 00:11:02,579 in Santa Clara history. 267 00:11:02,579 --> 00:11:04,456 I knew who the snitch was. I knew it was John. 268 00:11:08,042 --> 00:11:10,462 After that day, I kept asking John, 269 00:11:10,462 --> 00:11:11,838 "Why did you do it? Why did you do it? 270 00:11:11,838 --> 00:11:13,632 I'm your best friend. We hung out." 271 00:11:13,632 --> 00:11:15,467 And he goes, "I had to do it. 272 00:11:15,467 --> 00:11:17,885 "I got busted with a half-ounce of coke. 273 00:11:17,885 --> 00:11:19,596 "I wouldn't be able to go to med school. 274 00:11:19,596 --> 00:11:21,055 "You can't have a felony on your record. 275 00:11:21,055 --> 00:11:22,599 I had to do this." 276 00:11:22,599 --> 00:11:25,810 And I'm gonna be going away. 277 00:11:25,810 --> 00:11:28,605 He busted me to get out of that, plain and simple. 278 00:11:28,605 --> 00:11:31,690 Just to save his own ass. I hated the guy's guts. 279 00:11:33,776 --> 00:11:35,529 - John Meehan seemed to have a way 280 00:11:35,529 --> 00:11:37,197 of getting out of trouble. 281 00:11:37,197 --> 00:11:40,325 He seemed to get into a lot of trouble and find a way 282 00:11:40,325 --> 00:11:43,161 to slither out of it successfully. 283 00:11:43,161 --> 00:11:45,830 He was crossing that line from threats to action. 284 00:11:45,830 --> 00:11:49,708 I think he was restless in the way that, um... 285 00:11:49,708 --> 00:11:52,504 psychopaths are. 286 00:11:52,504 --> 00:11:56,174 - We had gone to the movies and his beeper went off, 287 00:11:56,174 --> 00:11:58,843 and we had to leave. 288 00:11:58,843 --> 00:12:01,720 And he dropped me off at home and was kissing me good night. 289 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:03,806 Said he didn't want to leave me, that he wanted 290 00:12:03,806 --> 00:12:05,933 to spend the rest of the evening with me, 291 00:12:05,933 --> 00:12:08,436 but he had to go to work. 292 00:12:08,436 --> 00:12:09,770 And I never saw him again. 293 00:12:11,814 --> 00:12:14,108 Wondered what I had done wrong. 294 00:12:14,108 --> 00:12:17,195 Wondered if I wasn't his type. 295 00:12:17,195 --> 00:12:19,072 Put a lot of it on me. 296 00:12:19,072 --> 00:12:20,739 You know, what did I do? 297 00:12:20,739 --> 00:12:23,284 I feel that John preyed on me 298 00:12:23,284 --> 00:12:25,870 because he knew I had a lot 299 00:12:25,870 --> 00:12:27,205 of insecurities, 300 00:12:27,205 --> 00:12:30,833 a lot of damage to my self-esteem. 301 00:12:30,833 --> 00:12:34,045 I was practice for John. 302 00:12:34,045 --> 00:12:37,340 He was testing the waters of his con, 303 00:12:37,340 --> 00:12:39,800 of his game. 304 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:41,553 He broke my heart. 305 00:12:44,847 --> 00:12:46,974 - Some people called him a con man, 306 00:12:46,974 --> 00:12:49,227 but actually, John Meehan was far more than that. 307 00:12:49,227 --> 00:12:52,021 He was a predatory individual. 308 00:12:52,021 --> 00:12:54,524 He didn't form real relationships 309 00:12:54,524 --> 00:12:56,775 or attachments or bonds to people. 310 00:12:56,775 --> 00:12:58,819 He just used people. 311 00:12:58,819 --> 00:13:01,030 He ticks many of the boxes 312 00:13:01,030 --> 00:13:03,157 in the psychopathy checklist. 313 00:13:04,867 --> 00:13:07,495 [Goffard] In the early '80s after John is busted, uh, 314 00:13:07,495 --> 00:13:09,997 for drugs he leaves for Arizona, 315 00:13:09,997 --> 00:13:11,666 where he goes to college. 316 00:13:11,666 --> 00:13:14,043 When he graduates he goes to Dayton, Ohio, 317 00:13:14,043 --> 00:13:15,712 for law school. 318 00:13:15,712 --> 00:13:18,590 It was around then that John Meehan met Tonia Bales. 319 00:13:21,426 --> 00:13:24,471 [Tonia Bales] I was working as a nurse 320 00:13:21,426 --> 00:13:24,471 in the operating room, 321 00:13:24,471 --> 00:13:26,931 and I was out that night with a group of coworkers. 322 00:13:26,931 --> 00:13:28,891 I just made my way to the restroom 323 00:13:28,891 --> 00:13:30,268 and I was stopped by John, 324 00:13:30,268 --> 00:13:32,979 which turned into a conversation. 325 00:13:32,979 --> 00:13:36,483 His personality was enjoyable and outgoing 326 00:13:36,483 --> 00:13:39,569 and smiley and very engaging, 327 00:13:39,569 --> 00:13:41,279 asking a lot of questions. 328 00:13:41,279 --> 00:13:43,573 I did not give him my phone number that night, 329 00:13:43,573 --> 00:13:45,700 but he knew where I worked, and so he called 330 00:13:45,700 --> 00:13:47,786 to the operating room the next night 331 00:13:47,786 --> 00:13:48,995 and had me paged. 332 00:13:48,995 --> 00:13:52,081 I would say that I was naive. 333 00:13:52,081 --> 00:13:53,832 You know, he said all the right things. 334 00:13:53,832 --> 00:13:56,085 "You're really pretty. I'd love to get to know you, 335 00:13:56,085 --> 00:13:58,045 and, you know, any chance we can go out?" 336 00:13:58,045 --> 00:14:00,131 And I was flattered. 337 00:14:00,131 --> 00:14:01,966 I think I fell in love with John because of his 338 00:14:01,966 --> 00:14:04,969 attentiveness towards me, and his interest in me, 339 00:14:04,969 --> 00:14:08,556 and how good he made me feel. 340 00:14:08,556 --> 00:14:12,018 After about a year of dating he pulled me, you know, 341 00:14:12,018 --> 00:14:14,354 close to him and told me that he wanted to spend 342 00:14:14,354 --> 00:14:15,980 the rest of his life with me. 343 00:14:15,980 --> 00:14:18,065 And he presented me with a-- 344 00:14:18,065 --> 00:14:21,695 a gorgeous diamond ring, and it was fantastic, 345 00:14:21,695 --> 00:14:23,196 and I said yes. 346 00:14:25,365 --> 00:14:28,909 The wedding was your typical Catholic, Midwest wedding. 347 00:14:28,909 --> 00:14:30,745 There weren't tons of guests, and part of that 348 00:14:30,745 --> 00:14:33,206 was because John did not invite his family. 349 00:14:33,206 --> 00:14:35,208 And he told me that his family would have been 350 00:14:35,208 --> 00:14:36,751 embarrassing to him. 351 00:14:36,751 --> 00:14:38,795 That his dad was an alcoholic. 352 00:14:38,795 --> 00:14:40,880 His parents were divorced, and he thought his parents 353 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:42,382 wouldn't get along at the wedding, 354 00:14:42,382 --> 00:14:43,883 and he didn't want to ruin our special day. 355 00:14:43,883 --> 00:14:45,844 - John, how do you feel this-- this evening? 356 00:14:45,844 --> 00:14:47,094 - [screams] 357 00:14:47,094 --> 00:14:48,805 No, I--I'm fine. I'm fine. 358 00:14:48,805 --> 00:14:50,807 - And so, uh, what do you got planned for the rest 359 00:14:50,807 --> 00:14:53,560 of the evening here? - Re--rest of the evening, uh, 360 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:55,854 drink, frivolity, fun, plundering pillages 361 00:14:55,854 --> 00:14:58,022 near and far. - Sounds good. 362 00:14:58,022 --> 00:15:00,983 - The wedding video, I was so excited to watch it 363 00:15:00,983 --> 00:15:03,194 but I noticed in the reception time 364 00:15:03,194 --> 00:15:05,279 with all the guys, you know, having had 365 00:15:05,279 --> 00:15:08,199 probably too many drinks, one of them refers to him 366 00:15:08,199 --> 00:15:10,827 as "Filthy John." - Let me start by saying this: 367 00:15:10,827 --> 00:15:12,787 John Meehan's nickname 368 00:15:12,787 --> 00:15:14,955 is "Filthy John Meehan." 369 00:15:14,955 --> 00:15:18,292 - Yeah, but why? Why? - Why? 370 00:15:18,292 --> 00:15:21,671 - Remember when you first created that nickname and why? 371 00:15:21,671 --> 00:15:24,006 - Yes, I do, but it cannot be divulged 372 00:15:24,006 --> 00:15:25,759 on camera. - I don't take showers. 373 00:15:25,759 --> 00:15:28,219 That's the only reason. [overlapping chatter] 374 00:15:28,219 --> 00:15:30,221 - His--his friends-- his friends call him 375 00:15:30,221 --> 00:15:31,931 - "The Cruiser." - I did question John 376 00:15:31,931 --> 00:15:34,100 about the "Filthy John" comment and he said, 377 00:15:34,100 --> 00:15:36,936 "Oh, they're just--they've had too much to drink." 378 00:15:36,936 --> 00:15:38,813 You know, "They're just being silly. 379 00:15:38,813 --> 00:15:40,899 It doesn't mean anything." 380 00:15:40,899 --> 00:15:42,942 It wasn't really till after we were married 381 00:15:42,942 --> 00:15:45,152 several years that-- the wedding ring had 382 00:15:45,152 --> 00:15:46,946 some smaller stones, and one of the smaller stones 383 00:15:46,946 --> 00:15:49,657 had fallen out, so I took it into a jeweler 384 00:15:49,657 --> 00:15:51,868 to have that stone replaced. 385 00:15:51,868 --> 00:15:53,870 And the jeweler took the ring and said, 386 00:15:53,870 --> 00:15:55,789 "You know this isn't real, right?" 387 00:15:55,789 --> 00:15:58,249 And I got, uh... [stammering] 388 00:15:58,249 --> 00:16:00,334 I pretend-- I said, "Yes." 389 00:16:00,334 --> 00:16:03,713 Yeah, I said yes. Because that's humiliating. 390 00:16:03,713 --> 00:16:06,633 I never told him that I knew that it was fake. 391 00:16:06,633 --> 00:16:09,093 I just got caught up in that, you know, 392 00:16:09,093 --> 00:16:11,596 fall in love as an adult and having a happy ending. 393 00:16:11,596 --> 00:16:14,641 - I think Tonia had no idea 394 00:16:14,641 --> 00:16:16,684 this kind of person existed. 395 00:16:16,684 --> 00:16:19,479 She came from a, uh-- a nice family, 396 00:16:19,479 --> 00:16:21,355 a good background. 397 00:16:21,355 --> 00:16:23,357 She's a nurse anesthetist. 398 00:16:23,357 --> 00:16:25,902 John follows her into the profession. 399 00:16:25,902 --> 00:16:28,571 Tonia told me that she helped support him 400 00:16:28,571 --> 00:16:31,073 as he worked his way through nursing school. 401 00:16:31,073 --> 00:16:33,743 - I would have told you that we were happily married. 402 00:16:33,743 --> 00:16:36,287 Um, we were, you know, busy professionals, 403 00:16:36,287 --> 00:16:37,747 we got along very well, 404 00:16:37,747 --> 00:16:40,082 we very rarely fought about anything. 405 00:16:40,082 --> 00:16:42,084 John didn't want to have children right away. 406 00:16:42,084 --> 00:16:44,545 He eventually, you know, said that he was ready, 407 00:16:44,545 --> 00:16:47,924 and so Emily, uh, was born when I was 30. 408 00:16:47,924 --> 00:16:49,509 - [John] Looks like she got hit. 409 00:16:49,509 --> 00:16:51,427 Looks like somebody punched her in the eye. 410 00:16:51,427 --> 00:16:53,053 [laughter, chatter] 411 00:16:53,053 --> 00:16:55,055 - After Emily was about 14 months, 412 00:16:55,055 --> 00:16:57,433 John was accepted into a nurse anesthesia program 413 00:16:57,433 --> 00:16:59,560 -in Tennessee. - Say, "Hi, Mama." 414 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:01,354 Hi, Mom! 415 00:17:01,354 --> 00:17:04,440 - Oh, it was a tremendously happy time for me. 416 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:06,108 - [babbling] - And then we were 417 00:17:06,108 --> 00:17:08,569 soon planning out next child to complete our family, 418 00:17:08,569 --> 00:17:10,738 and he seemed excited about that. 419 00:17:10,738 --> 00:17:12,907 I was very excited about that, so I was ready 420 00:17:12,907 --> 00:17:15,201 to have another child. 421 00:17:15,201 --> 00:17:18,120 - [baby crying] - After Abigail was born, 422 00:17:18,120 --> 00:17:20,707 we came to have a talk after Christmas, um, 423 00:17:20,707 --> 00:17:24,585 and John was saying that he wasn't happy. 424 00:17:24,585 --> 00:17:26,045 And I said, you know, "What's wrong?" 425 00:17:26,045 --> 00:17:27,755 You know, "I can change." 426 00:17:27,755 --> 00:17:29,799 He decided that he wasn't happy in the marriage 427 00:17:29,799 --> 00:17:32,259 and, um, he filed for divorce. 428 00:17:35,054 --> 00:17:36,681 I was devastated. 429 00:17:36,681 --> 00:17:38,933 I married him to be married to him forever. 430 00:17:38,933 --> 00:17:40,935 - I absolutely feel like 431 00:17:40,935 --> 00:17:42,979 he abandoned my family. 432 00:17:42,979 --> 00:17:45,606 He consciously made that decision. 433 00:17:45,606 --> 00:17:48,985 - Him leaving really upset me and I felt really unloved, 434 00:17:48,985 --> 00:17:52,154 and I felt like I wasn't enough for him. 435 00:17:52,154 --> 00:17:53,948 - While John and I are having this split, 436 00:17:53,948 --> 00:17:55,783 everybody's saying, "Something's missing. 437 00:17:55,783 --> 00:17:57,618 Something's missing." 438 00:17:57,618 --> 00:17:59,037 My brother-in-law says, "You know, maybe you should-- 439 00:17:59,037 --> 00:18:00,788 really should find his mom or his family." 440 00:18:00,788 --> 00:18:03,666 And he found his mom's phone number on the Internet. 441 00:18:03,666 --> 00:18:05,125 [phone dialing] 442 00:18:05,125 --> 00:18:07,962 With my knees trembling, I dialed that number 443 00:18:07,962 --> 00:18:09,547 and I called her. 444 00:18:09,547 --> 00:18:12,717 And I said, uh, "Dolores, this is Tonia. 445 00:18:12,717 --> 00:18:14,635 I'm married to your son, John." 446 00:18:14,635 --> 00:18:17,430 And the phone was silent. 447 00:18:17,430 --> 00:18:19,473 And then she said, "Oh, Tonia. 448 00:18:19,473 --> 00:18:21,768 I knew you'd call me one day." 449 00:18:21,768 --> 00:18:24,729 And she unloaded on me that he had been arrested, 450 00:18:24,729 --> 00:18:27,690 that--she asked me 451 00:18:27,690 --> 00:18:30,443 if he's still using drugs and I said, "What?" 452 00:18:32,946 --> 00:18:34,697 And she said, "Call his sisters. 453 00:18:34,697 --> 00:18:36,574 They would love to talk to you." 454 00:18:36,574 --> 00:18:38,200 So I called both of his sisters. 455 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:39,953 They laid out a lot of stories 456 00:18:39,953 --> 00:18:42,956 about insurance fraud, about having a friend, 457 00:18:42,956 --> 00:18:45,207 you know, hit him with the car on purpose 458 00:18:45,207 --> 00:18:47,835 and he broke his leg and he got some money for that. 459 00:18:47,835 --> 00:18:50,254 That he had, um, put some glass intentionally 460 00:18:50,254 --> 00:18:52,882 in his taco at Taco Bell 461 00:18:52,882 --> 00:18:54,717 and filed a suit against that. 462 00:18:54,717 --> 00:18:58,137 That was not congruent with the man that I married. 463 00:18:58,137 --> 00:18:59,806 464 00:18:59,806 --> 00:19:02,809 So I started snooping. 465 00:19:02,809 --> 00:19:04,852 I found a picture of a resident 466 00:19:04,852 --> 00:19:06,520 at the hospital circled, 467 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:08,397 I found directions to a hotel room 468 00:19:08,397 --> 00:19:10,900 in a female's writing, and I found-- 469 00:19:10,900 --> 00:19:12,777 on the very top shelf pushed all the way 470 00:19:12,777 --> 00:19:16,030 to the back--a box of anesthesia drugs-- 471 00:19:16,030 --> 00:19:17,782 Fentanyl and Versed. 472 00:19:19,492 --> 00:19:21,953 So at this point I'm married almost ten years 473 00:19:21,953 --> 00:19:24,789 and I'm realizing that everything I've lived 474 00:19:24,789 --> 00:19:27,207 up to this point in my marriage is a lie. 475 00:19:27,207 --> 00:19:28,876 476 00:19:32,839 --> 00:19:35,215 [Tonia] So at this point, I was married to John 477 00:19:35,215 --> 00:19:36,342 for almost ten years, 478 00:19:36,342 --> 00:19:37,844 and I'm realizing 479 00:19:37,844 --> 00:19:39,428 that everything I've lived up to this point 480 00:19:39,428 --> 00:19:40,680 in my marriage is a lie. 481 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,890 482 00:19:45,143 --> 00:19:47,269 John had potent anesthetic drugs. 483 00:19:47,269 --> 00:19:49,188 There was no reason for those to be there. 484 00:19:49,188 --> 00:19:52,232 I'm a nurse anesthetist-- there's no reason 485 00:19:52,232 --> 00:19:54,110 that you bring home drugs. 486 00:19:54,110 --> 00:19:56,821 I knew that something was wrong, but I didn't know what it was. 487 00:19:58,823 --> 00:20:01,408 I thought that he was using drugs, 488 00:20:01,408 --> 00:20:03,744 but I also came to learn through his family 489 00:20:03,744 --> 00:20:07,373 that he was shipping them from Ohio to California 490 00:20:07,373 --> 00:20:09,000 for his brother to use. 491 00:20:15,131 --> 00:20:17,884 - So around the same time that his marriage 492 00:20:17,884 --> 00:20:20,260 to, uh, Tonia is dissolving, 493 00:20:20,260 --> 00:20:23,848 his brother dies in Santa Cruz 494 00:20:23,848 --> 00:20:26,225 of an overdose. 495 00:20:26,225 --> 00:20:28,978 - They call me and say the brother is dead. 496 00:20:28,978 --> 00:20:31,064 Then basically I'm saying, "This needs 497 00:20:31,064 --> 00:20:32,439 "to end, right now. 498 00:20:32,439 --> 00:20:34,692 "I can't hold on to this information. 499 00:20:34,692 --> 00:20:36,736 "I don't know exactly what he's doing, but I've got 500 00:20:36,736 --> 00:20:38,445 to report this." 501 00:20:38,445 --> 00:20:41,074 That's when, you know, I-- I went to the police and said, 502 00:20:41,074 --> 00:20:42,324 "This is what I know." 503 00:20:42,324 --> 00:20:44,284 [audio playing in reverse] 504 00:20:44,284 --> 00:20:47,163 - The police came to my house one day 505 00:20:47,163 --> 00:20:50,208 to kind of search my house and--and look at 506 00:20:50,208 --> 00:20:52,292 where the drugs were at one point. 507 00:20:54,128 --> 00:20:58,049 And there it was: his little, you know, 508 00:20:54,128 --> 00:20:58,049 stash of drugs. 509 00:21:02,386 --> 00:21:04,388 And I thought, "We're done. 510 00:21:04,388 --> 00:21:05,848 "We found it. 511 00:21:05,848 --> 00:21:07,141 "This is gonna be over soon. 512 00:21:07,141 --> 00:21:08,768 "You know, he's gonna get arrested. 513 00:21:08,768 --> 00:21:10,644 "He's killed his brother or helped, you know, 514 00:21:10,644 --> 00:21:13,231 "kill his brother, and we're all gonna prove this, 515 00:21:13,231 --> 00:21:15,733 you know, very fast." 516 00:21:15,733 --> 00:21:18,194 That's not exactly how it went. 517 00:21:18,194 --> 00:21:21,197 [Goffard] His career was disintegrating 518 00:21:18,194 --> 00:21:21,197 around that time. 519 00:21:21,197 --> 00:21:23,657 When he began running amok-- he began stealing drugs 520 00:21:23,657 --> 00:21:25,451 and endangering patients-- people were calling 521 00:21:25,451 --> 00:21:27,954 the Medical Board, he was losing his license. 522 00:21:27,954 --> 00:21:30,748 I think his drug addiction was accelerating, 523 00:21:30,748 --> 00:21:32,250 and at the end it seemed to drive him 524 00:21:32,250 --> 00:21:34,168 to increasingly irrational behavior. 525 00:21:34,168 --> 00:21:36,170 - John moved to the state of Indiana, 526 00:21:36,170 --> 00:21:38,881 started working there, and some friends of mine 527 00:21:38,881 --> 00:21:40,716 who were also nurse anesthetists 528 00:21:40,716 --> 00:21:42,218 warned the Board that he was there. 529 00:21:42,218 --> 00:21:44,344 This is a period of time where things got 530 00:21:44,344 --> 00:21:45,972 really scary for me. 531 00:21:45,972 --> 00:21:48,057 John believed that I was the one making the calls 532 00:21:48,057 --> 00:21:51,185 to the Indiana Board of Nursing and ruining his career. 533 00:21:51,185 --> 00:21:53,771 - He is making... 534 00:21:53,771 --> 00:21:55,397 very scary phone calls to her 535 00:21:55,397 --> 00:21:58,025 that the police tell her to get on tape. 536 00:21:58,025 --> 00:22:00,236 [phone line ringing] 537 00:22:00,236 --> 00:22:03,239 [John] I have it on excellent, excellent authority 538 00:22:03,239 --> 00:22:05,365 you're the one who's been making the phone calls. 539 00:22:05,365 --> 00:22:07,952 [Tonia] I have never called the Indiana Board of Nursing. 540 00:22:07,952 --> 00:22:10,579 - I got a big smile on my face. You know why? 541 00:22:10,579 --> 00:22:12,623 Because it's gonna get done. 542 00:22:12,623 --> 00:22:14,959 - What's gonna get done? - You will understand 543 00:22:14,959 --> 00:22:16,752 when the time comes. 544 00:22:16,752 --> 00:22:19,338 I'll be in Bermuda having a big [bleep] Cuba Libre 545 00:22:19,338 --> 00:22:21,715 with a 22-year-old when it happens. 546 00:22:21,715 --> 00:22:23,467 - That's nice. - You keep that in mind. 547 00:22:23,467 --> 00:22:26,179 So Tonia, you enjoy your time left 548 00:22:26,179 --> 00:22:27,888 on this Earth, okay? 549 00:22:27,888 --> 00:22:29,598 Because that's what it's gonna come down to. 550 00:22:29,598 --> 00:22:31,309 - Everybody knows it'll be you 551 00:22:31,309 --> 00:22:33,269 and you're not gonna make it to Bermuda. 552 00:22:33,269 --> 00:22:35,146 - Oh, I'll be in Bermuda, Tonia. 553 00:22:35,146 --> 00:22:36,856 - Oh, you'll be in Bermuda. - Yes. 554 00:22:36,856 --> 00:22:38,524 - So where will the kids be? 555 00:22:38,524 --> 00:22:40,693 - Probably with your parents. 556 00:22:40,693 --> 00:22:42,653 - Okay. - Wondering, "Gosh, 557 00:22:42,653 --> 00:22:44,780 what happened to Mom?" 558 00:22:44,780 --> 00:22:46,282 559 00:22:46,282 --> 00:22:48,909 - During this time, he's under investigation 560 00:22:48,909 --> 00:22:51,120 and I'm not allowed to say anything, 561 00:22:51,120 --> 00:22:54,290 and I'm having to turn my children over to him 562 00:22:54,290 --> 00:22:56,000 knowing that he's using drugs. 563 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,376 And I've got to put 'em in the back seat of his car 564 00:22:58,376 --> 00:22:59,586 for visitation. 565 00:22:59,586 --> 00:23:01,339 And knowing what I know, that was one 566 00:23:01,339 --> 00:23:04,091 of the most difficult things that I've had to do, 567 00:23:04,091 --> 00:23:06,052 but unless you have a court order 568 00:23:06,052 --> 00:23:08,095 denying someone visitation, 569 00:23:08,095 --> 00:23:09,722 you have to turn your children over. 570 00:23:09,722 --> 00:23:11,849 - [babbling] 571 00:23:11,849 --> 00:23:14,643 I remember on orientation day, when we would meet 572 00:23:14,643 --> 00:23:17,021 the teachers, my mom would have 573 00:23:17,021 --> 00:23:20,149 to tell the teacher and let me know 574 00:23:20,149 --> 00:23:23,569 that if a man comes-- 575 00:23:23,569 --> 00:23:26,155 Emily's father-- she is not to leave 576 00:23:26,155 --> 00:23:27,573 under any circumstances. 577 00:23:27,573 --> 00:23:29,325 [harmonica playing] - I used to think 578 00:23:29,325 --> 00:23:31,202 he was always going to kidnap me. 579 00:23:31,202 --> 00:23:33,162 I always thought that he was gonna be out there 580 00:23:33,162 --> 00:23:36,456 and make a big scene and try to get me. 581 00:23:36,456 --> 00:23:39,168 - The whole time after I went to the DEA I'm thinking, 582 00:23:39,168 --> 00:23:41,295 "They're investigating him, they're looking into this. 583 00:23:41,295 --> 00:23:43,089 Something's gonna happen." 584 00:23:43,089 --> 00:23:45,091 It had seemed to me that things just weren't moving 585 00:23:45,091 --> 00:23:47,927 or going anywhere, um, until Detective Luken 586 00:23:47,927 --> 00:23:49,427 was put on the case. 587 00:23:49,427 --> 00:23:52,639 When he came in, I felt things turn. 588 00:23:52,639 --> 00:23:55,433 - The case had kind of gone cold and I had joined 589 00:23:55,433 --> 00:23:57,311 the Warren County Drug Task Force. 590 00:23:57,311 --> 00:24:00,981 And my boss asked me to reopen the case in 2002. 591 00:24:00,981 --> 00:24:03,567 We knew that he was stealing drugs from patients 592 00:24:03,567 --> 00:24:07,029 to feed his addiction. 593 00:24:07,029 --> 00:24:08,739 He was a pathological liar. 594 00:24:08,739 --> 00:24:10,991 He had no conscience. 595 00:24:10,991 --> 00:24:13,660 He had no remorse, and that's what made John 596 00:24:13,660 --> 00:24:17,873 so dangerous. 597 00:24:17,873 --> 00:24:19,166 [Tonia] He had a perfect life, you know, with me. 598 00:24:19,166 --> 00:24:21,085 It--it really broke my heart, 599 00:24:21,085 --> 00:24:23,712 and it--it broke my spirit, you know, 600 00:24:23,712 --> 00:24:25,381 as a--as a good person 601 00:24:25,381 --> 00:24:27,925 just trying to do the right thing and-- 602 00:24:27,925 --> 00:24:29,302 and have a good life. 603 00:24:29,302 --> 00:24:32,470 And--and so I--I wasn't necessarily angry. 604 00:24:32,470 --> 00:24:34,181 I was broken. 605 00:24:38,978 --> 00:24:41,563 - John Meehan moved from state to state, 606 00:24:41,563 --> 00:24:44,233 city to city, county to county 607 00:24:44,233 --> 00:24:45,401 for decades. 608 00:24:45,401 --> 00:24:47,903 Many women were terrorized. 609 00:24:47,903 --> 00:24:50,239 I think a lot of people are still probably living 610 00:24:50,239 --> 00:24:51,991 in fear of this guy. 611 00:24:51,991 --> 00:24:54,410 He eventually wound up in Newport Beach, 612 00:24:54,410 --> 00:24:57,037 where, uh, he met Debra Newell. 613 00:24:57,037 --> 00:24:59,790 - It was around Thanksgiving time 614 00:24:59,790 --> 00:25:02,751 and I had moved to Balboa Island. 615 00:25:02,751 --> 00:25:05,296 I had always wanted to live on the ocean. 616 00:25:05,296 --> 00:25:07,673 John is moving his items 617 00:25:07,673 --> 00:25:09,216 into my home. 618 00:25:09,216 --> 00:25:12,011 It was moving way too fast for me, 619 00:25:12,011 --> 00:25:14,638 but he made me feel like-- 620 00:25:14,638 --> 00:25:16,223 wonderful. 621 00:25:16,223 --> 00:25:18,851 It was the best feeling in the world. 622 00:25:20,936 --> 00:25:23,689 - I went to my mom's house on Balboa. 623 00:25:23,689 --> 00:25:25,732 It was around Thanksgiving time. 624 00:25:25,732 --> 00:25:27,943 [suspenseful music] 625 00:25:27,943 --> 00:25:30,488 I went into my mom's room 626 00:25:30,488 --> 00:25:33,240 and I just saw his stuff all in there, 627 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,534 and it seemed like he was moving in there. 628 00:25:36,534 --> 00:25:39,163 I noticed that there was a box 629 00:25:39,163 --> 00:25:40,706 in the closet. 630 00:25:40,706 --> 00:25:42,666 631 00:25:42,666 --> 00:25:44,460 I quickly shut the door, 632 00:25:44,460 --> 00:25:46,544 because I didn't want him 633 00:25:46,544 --> 00:25:50,216 to see me snoop through his stuff. 634 00:25:50,216 --> 00:25:53,260 On top of the box it had a nursing certificate. 635 00:25:53,260 --> 00:25:54,470 636 00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:56,222 He said he was a doctor. 637 00:25:56,222 --> 00:25:58,724 I just didn't appreciate being lied to. 638 00:26:02,228 --> 00:26:05,939 I then confronted my mom... 639 00:26:05,939 --> 00:26:08,317 saying, "Why are you moving in with someone 640 00:26:08,317 --> 00:26:11,778 that you've only been together two months?" 641 00:26:11,778 --> 00:26:14,198 - And I'm like, "Well, Terra, 642 00:26:14,198 --> 00:26:15,782 "you know, this is my life. 643 00:26:15,782 --> 00:26:18,202 You know, please let me live it." 644 00:26:18,202 --> 00:26:19,661 645 00:26:19,661 --> 00:26:21,455 - He came up behind my mom 646 00:26:21,455 --> 00:26:23,749 and started screaming at me. 647 00:26:23,749 --> 00:26:26,168 - [muffled shouting] 648 00:26:26,168 --> 00:26:28,628 - John said, "Don't talk to your mom that way." 649 00:26:28,628 --> 00:26:30,756 She said, "You're not even a doctor 650 00:26:30,756 --> 00:26:32,674 "like you say you are. 651 00:26:32,674 --> 00:26:34,260 I read your degree." 652 00:26:34,260 --> 00:26:35,553 - [muffled shouting] 653 00:26:35,553 --> 00:26:38,472 - John accused me that I wanted my mom 654 00:26:38,472 --> 00:26:40,224 all to myself 655 00:26:40,224 --> 00:26:43,436 and that I didn't want her to be happy 656 00:26:43,436 --> 00:26:45,563 and that I was just jealous. 657 00:26:45,563 --> 00:26:48,648 And then I told my mom, I'm like, "I don't understand 658 00:26:48,648 --> 00:26:51,318 "why you're letting him talk to me this way. 659 00:26:51,318 --> 00:26:53,320 "I can't stay here. 660 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:54,612 I just need to go." 661 00:26:54,612 --> 00:26:56,949 And then I packed up my stuff 662 00:26:56,949 --> 00:26:59,368 and got out of there. 663 00:26:59,368 --> 00:27:00,578 [door slams] 664 00:27:02,204 --> 00:27:03,663 - Terra left. 665 00:27:03,663 --> 00:27:06,584 I confronted John, but he had an answer 666 00:27:06,584 --> 00:27:08,377 for everything. 667 00:27:09,836 --> 00:27:12,381 He said that he didn't lie. 668 00:27:12,381 --> 00:27:14,300 He had his doctorate. 669 00:27:14,300 --> 00:27:16,218 They're basically the same thing, 670 00:27:16,218 --> 00:27:18,512 but one is under the nurses 671 00:27:18,512 --> 00:27:21,181 and one is under a doctor's. 672 00:27:21,181 --> 00:27:24,768 And he said, "But we both put people to sleep." 673 00:27:24,768 --> 00:27:28,355 John was so persuasive. 674 00:27:28,355 --> 00:27:29,731 I know I keep saying this, 675 00:27:29,731 --> 00:27:32,025 but he was that good. 676 00:27:32,025 --> 00:27:35,154 I believed him. 677 00:27:35,154 --> 00:27:38,198 - I thought John wanted me out of there 678 00:27:38,198 --> 00:27:41,743 and he wanted my mom all to himself. 679 00:27:41,743 --> 00:27:44,330 - My sister called me and said that she had 680 00:27:44,330 --> 00:27:46,039 a big blow-out fight with John. 681 00:27:46,039 --> 00:27:48,626 I think him showing so much authority 682 00:27:48,626 --> 00:27:50,628 when he didn't really have a place to do it 683 00:27:50,628 --> 00:27:52,588 was also upsetting. 684 00:27:52,588 --> 00:27:55,174 John was trying to exert control 685 00:27:55,174 --> 00:27:56,842 in the situation. 686 00:27:56,842 --> 00:27:58,469 [somber music] 687 00:27:58,469 --> 00:28:00,220 [Debra] This was such a difficult time 688 00:28:00,220 --> 00:28:03,140 in my life because... 689 00:28:03,140 --> 00:28:05,767 I love my kids... 690 00:28:05,767 --> 00:28:09,605 and I had fallen in love with John, 691 00:28:09,605 --> 00:28:12,441 so I decided to go to a therapist. 692 00:28:12,441 --> 00:28:14,860 From John's standpoint-- what he was telling 693 00:28:14,860 --> 00:28:17,863 the therapist-- my kid were spoiled. 694 00:28:17,863 --> 00:28:20,324 That there needed to be boundaries. 695 00:28:20,324 --> 00:28:23,452 The boundaries consisted... 696 00:28:23,452 --> 00:28:25,621 of not having my kids 697 00:28:25,621 --> 00:28:28,207 attend Thanksgiving 698 00:28:28,207 --> 00:28:30,209 if they were gonna have this kind of behavior. 699 00:28:30,209 --> 00:28:31,751 700 00:28:31,751 --> 00:28:33,629 [Terra] I was heartbroken. 701 00:28:33,629 --> 00:28:36,714 I felt like I was being kicked out of her house. 702 00:28:36,714 --> 00:28:38,842 I stopped talking to my mom 703 00:28:38,842 --> 00:28:40,927 for a while after this. 704 00:28:40,927 --> 00:28:44,473 My mom picked John over me. 705 00:28:44,473 --> 00:28:46,517 - When you're looking to control someone 706 00:28:46,517 --> 00:28:49,102 you don't want daughters and sisters 707 00:28:49,102 --> 00:28:52,648 and mothers and people interfering 708 00:28:49,102 --> 00:28:52,648 in the relationship. 709 00:28:52,648 --> 00:28:55,108 In most of these cases you see isolation. 710 00:28:55,108 --> 00:28:57,903 They never say, "I'm done with all this 711 00:28:55,108 --> 00:28:57,903 Romeo and Juliet stuff. 712 00:28:57,903 --> 00:29:00,573 I'm gonna move to stage two: isolation." 713 00:29:00,573 --> 00:29:04,159 It--it's a very subtle and nuanced thing that happens. 714 00:29:04,159 --> 00:29:06,704 [Debra] I was hoping my kids would come around. 715 00:29:06,704 --> 00:29:09,998 I was still trying to do anything I could 716 00:29:09,998 --> 00:29:11,584 to reach out to 'em. 717 00:29:11,584 --> 00:29:13,835 I just couldn't understand why they couldn't be 718 00:29:13,835 --> 00:29:16,547 happy for me. 719 00:29:16,547 --> 00:29:19,966 [Goffard] John Meehan had been practicing for this role 720 00:29:19,966 --> 00:29:21,260 for a long time. 721 00:29:21,260 --> 00:29:22,761 He was a veteran con man. 722 00:29:22,761 --> 00:29:24,263 He knew what buttons to push. 723 00:29:24,263 --> 00:29:26,724 He knew how to manipulate Debra. 724 00:29:26,724 --> 00:29:28,850 - He would take my cars out 725 00:29:28,850 --> 00:29:30,394 and run errands for me. 726 00:29:30,394 --> 00:29:32,938 He was getting my dry cleaning, 727 00:29:32,938 --> 00:29:35,274 going to the grocery store, 728 00:29:35,274 --> 00:29:37,359 going to the bank, you name it. 729 00:29:37,359 --> 00:29:38,860 Anything that I needed done 730 00:29:38,860 --> 00:29:41,572 he was right there to assist. 731 00:29:41,572 --> 00:29:44,950 There were so many things that just didn't make sense 732 00:29:44,950 --> 00:29:47,369 and that were just bad about him. 733 00:29:47,369 --> 00:29:49,496 Nothing added up. 734 00:29:49,496 --> 00:29:51,582 If he saw an opportunity 735 00:29:51,582 --> 00:29:53,459 he was going to take it. 736 00:29:53,459 --> 00:29:56,878 - John started telling me within probably the third date 737 00:29:56,878 --> 00:29:58,880 that he was in love with me 738 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,717 and that I was his soul mate. 739 00:30:01,717 --> 00:30:05,011 And he kept saying, you know, "I--I want to marry you. 740 00:30:05,011 --> 00:30:07,681 "I wanna grow old with you. 741 00:30:07,681 --> 00:30:09,975 I wanna die in your arms." 742 00:30:09,975 --> 00:30:12,394 And he would do this 743 00:30:12,394 --> 00:30:14,438 several times a day. 744 00:30:14,438 --> 00:30:16,649 [Terra] I knew something wasn't right. 745 00:30:16,649 --> 00:30:20,402 I was honestly depressed at that point in my life. 746 00:30:20,402 --> 00:30:23,530 John tore our family apart. 747 00:30:23,530 --> 00:30:25,240 [Debra] I had to go to Vegas. 748 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,200 I was doing a clubhouse out there. 749 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,245 Design and furniture and all that. 750 00:30:30,245 --> 00:30:33,666 He didn't like me driving at dark or-- 751 00:30:33,666 --> 00:30:36,918 and I looked at it as, "Oh, he's so protective." 752 00:30:36,918 --> 00:30:38,504 Not controlling. 753 00:30:38,504 --> 00:30:40,589 And so he would drive me to the job sites. 754 00:30:40,589 --> 00:30:42,758 He said to me, "Why don't we just get married?" 755 00:30:42,758 --> 00:30:44,926 And I'm like, "No, no, no, it's too soon. 756 00:30:44,926 --> 00:30:46,261 "Too soon. 757 00:30:46,261 --> 00:30:47,763 I can't do this yet." 758 00:30:47,763 --> 00:30:49,765 He said, "Please, please, please." 759 00:30:49,765 --> 00:30:51,391 He kept saying, "Please, please. 760 00:30:51,391 --> 00:30:54,478 For me. What do you have to lose?" 761 00:30:54,478 --> 00:30:56,938 There was just this lump... 762 00:30:56,938 --> 00:30:58,482 in my stomach. 763 00:30:58,482 --> 00:31:00,359 And I'm thinking, "What am I doing?" 764 00:31:00,359 --> 00:31:03,362 We'd only been dating a few months. 765 00:31:03,362 --> 00:31:04,697 "Why am I doing this? 766 00:31:04,697 --> 00:31:07,866 Oh, everyone's gonna kill me." 767 00:31:07,866 --> 00:31:09,785 [applause] 768 00:31:11,411 --> 00:31:13,706 769 00:31:13,706 --> 00:31:16,208 John drove me to a lot of job sites. 770 00:31:16,208 --> 00:31:17,959 One of our trips 771 00:31:17,959 --> 00:31:21,129 I had to go to Vegas, so... 772 00:31:21,129 --> 00:31:24,842 he said to me, "Why don't we just get married?" 773 00:31:24,842 --> 00:31:27,469 - John Meehan and Debra Newell went off to Vegas 774 00:31:27,469 --> 00:31:30,889 when she was at a vulnerable place in her life and... 775 00:31:30,889 --> 00:31:32,974 just about everything that he said to her 776 00:31:32,974 --> 00:31:34,727 to attract her was a lie. 777 00:31:34,727 --> 00:31:37,479 [woman] Debra, will you take John 778 00:31:34,727 --> 00:31:37,479 to be your wedded husband, 779 00:31:37,479 --> 00:31:39,481 to live together in bonds of marriage? 780 00:31:39,481 --> 00:31:42,192 Will you love him, comfort him, honor, and keep him 781 00:31:42,192 --> 00:31:44,444 so long as you both shall live? 782 00:31:44,444 --> 00:31:46,655 - Yes. - Please face each other 783 00:31:46,655 --> 00:31:48,657 and hold hands. [laughter] 784 00:31:48,657 --> 00:31:50,992 - Only two months after they meet, uh, 785 00:31:50,992 --> 00:31:52,994 they're in Las Vegas and they're married. 786 00:31:52,994 --> 00:31:55,497 It was whirlwind situation. 787 00:31:55,497 --> 00:31:57,666 - John, please repeat after me. - Okay. 788 00:31:57,666 --> 00:31:59,167 - I, John... - I, John... 789 00:31:59,167 --> 00:32:00,836 - Take Debra... - Take Debra... 790 00:32:00,836 --> 00:32:03,004 - To be my wedded wife... - To be my wedded wife... 791 00:32:03,004 --> 00:32:06,425 - I can't explain it, but I knew it was wrong. 792 00:32:06,425 --> 00:32:08,552 It wasn't the right timing, 793 00:32:08,552 --> 00:32:10,262 but I did it anyway. 794 00:32:10,262 --> 00:32:12,055 [woman] Oh, my gosh. 795 00:32:12,055 --> 00:32:14,266 - Aww! [overlapping chatter] 796 00:32:14,266 --> 00:32:17,185 - I didn't tell any of my family members. 797 00:32:17,185 --> 00:32:19,104 Um... 798 00:32:19,104 --> 00:32:21,815 nobody knew. 799 00:32:21,815 --> 00:32:23,942 - I learned way after the fact 800 00:32:23,942 --> 00:32:26,027 that John married my mom. 801 00:32:26,027 --> 00:32:27,946 Started crying, 802 00:32:27,946 --> 00:32:31,157 bawling my eyes out. - It was alarming to find out 803 00:32:31,157 --> 00:32:33,619 that she had married him at that point 804 00:32:33,619 --> 00:32:36,955 because it just made it so much harder to end things. 805 00:32:36,955 --> 00:32:39,875 It was the start of when I really felt like 806 00:32:39,875 --> 00:32:42,043 we were in danger. 807 00:32:45,255 --> 00:32:48,842 - [Goffard] John Meehan was a cunning 808 00:32:45,255 --> 00:32:48,842 and manipulative person. 809 00:32:48,842 --> 00:32:50,677 The number of people that he did exactly 810 00:32:50,677 --> 00:32:53,639 the same thing to is, uh, astonishing, 811 00:32:53,639 --> 00:32:56,141 and I think that I probably only heard 812 00:32:56,141 --> 00:32:58,477 from a handful of them compared to the victims 813 00:32:58,477 --> 00:33:00,562 he has out there who are embarrassed 814 00:33:00,562 --> 00:33:02,648 or ashamed or frightened 815 00:33:02,648 --> 00:33:04,232 of talking about it. 816 00:33:04,232 --> 00:33:06,777 [woman] I met John online. 817 00:33:06,777 --> 00:33:09,070 His profile said that he was single, 818 00:33:09,070 --> 00:33:13,032 that he was a doctor-- an anesthesiologist. 819 00:33:13,032 --> 00:33:15,076 Uh, just a great profile, 820 00:33:15,076 --> 00:33:18,705 everything you want to see in a man. 821 00:33:18,705 --> 00:33:21,207 I didn't have a high opinion of myself. 822 00:33:21,207 --> 00:33:23,627 I was divorced, I had two small children, 823 00:33:23,627 --> 00:33:25,712 and he made me feel like a princess. 824 00:33:25,712 --> 00:33:28,924 - John Meehan very much used dating sites 825 00:33:28,924 --> 00:33:30,550 as a fishing pool. 826 00:33:30,550 --> 00:33:33,720 He had a particular typology that he was after, 827 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,597 women who were affluent. 828 00:33:35,597 --> 00:33:37,808 It became, uh, sort of an addiction for him. 829 00:33:37,808 --> 00:33:40,894 The same as drugs were an addiction for him. 830 00:33:40,894 --> 00:33:44,523 - I think John was looking for people exactly like me, 831 00:33:44,523 --> 00:33:48,067 who might need him, who had a little money 832 00:33:44,523 --> 00:33:48,067 of their own. 833 00:33:48,067 --> 00:33:53,573 People who would fall for his charm-- and that was me. 834 00:33:53,573 --> 00:33:56,075 When John and I went to Mexico we had been dating 835 00:33:56,075 --> 00:33:57,786 for about three months. 836 00:33:57,786 --> 00:34:00,831 He claimed that he had a convention down there. 837 00:34:00,831 --> 00:34:03,750 Uh, he just asked me if I wanted to go, be with him. 838 00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:07,086 Like, "Wow, okay, so now this beautiful man 839 00:34:07,086 --> 00:34:08,964 is taking me on a trip." 840 00:34:08,964 --> 00:34:10,966 Day one I'm like, "This is awesome. 841 00:34:10,966 --> 00:34:13,343 The weather was beautiful, the hotel was beautiful. 842 00:34:13,343 --> 00:34:15,679 "I am going to have a great time." 843 00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:17,723 Day two... 844 00:34:17,723 --> 00:34:19,265 let me tell you about day two. 845 00:34:19,265 --> 00:34:22,227 John said that he had to leave for a little bit, 846 00:34:22,227 --> 00:34:24,103 that his back hurt. 847 00:34:24,103 --> 00:34:25,814 Okay. 848 00:34:25,814 --> 00:34:27,900 He came back with a vial of drugs, 849 00:34:27,900 --> 00:34:30,819 wrapped a belt around his ankle, 850 00:34:30,819 --> 00:34:33,321 and he inserted the drugs with a hypodermic needle 851 00:34:33,321 --> 00:34:35,156 between his toes. 852 00:34:35,156 --> 00:34:37,242 Now I'm like, 853 00:34:37,242 --> 00:34:38,869 "What is going on here? 854 00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:40,161 I know that's not right." 855 00:34:40,161 --> 00:34:41,955 I felt like I was in danger. 856 00:34:41,955 --> 00:34:43,540 Like... 857 00:34:43,540 --> 00:34:44,833 who is he? 858 00:34:44,833 --> 00:34:46,043 What is he going to do? 859 00:34:46,043 --> 00:34:49,046 I'm scared, but I'm also... 860 00:34:49,046 --> 00:34:51,715 a very brave person. 861 00:34:51,715 --> 00:34:54,426 He asked me to take him to the hospital. 862 00:34:54,426 --> 00:34:56,636 He knew just what to say to go to the hospital 863 00:34:56,636 --> 00:34:58,346 and get the drugs that he needed. 864 00:34:58,346 --> 00:35:00,098 John Meehan had a drug addiction 865 00:35:00,098 --> 00:35:01,934 going back decades. 866 00:35:01,934 --> 00:35:04,185 It seemed to get worse and worse. 867 00:35:04,185 --> 00:35:05,938 This is insane. 868 00:35:05,938 --> 00:35:07,647 There is something wrong. 869 00:35:07,647 --> 00:35:09,900 He--he has to be a drug addict. 870 00:35:09,900 --> 00:35:12,193 I want to make sure I get home safely. 871 00:35:12,193 --> 00:35:15,781 When I leave Mexico, John is still in the hospital. 872 00:35:15,781 --> 00:35:18,199 I drove home, getting all of my luggage out, 873 00:35:18,199 --> 00:35:20,452 and John's gym bag is in there. 874 00:35:20,452 --> 00:35:22,871 And his gym bag had spilled... 875 00:35:22,871 --> 00:35:25,040 and I found vials. 876 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:26,833 I don't know what they are, but they're like 877 00:35:26,833 --> 00:35:29,335 little tiny vials, and I'm like, "You know what? 878 00:35:29,335 --> 00:35:30,796 This looks like a drug." 879 00:35:30,796 --> 00:35:34,633 I also found a card-- business card-- 880 00:35:34,633 --> 00:35:37,218 that had his ex-wife's name on it. 881 00:35:37,218 --> 00:35:40,430 So I called Tonia the next day. 882 00:35:40,430 --> 00:35:42,975 - I'd been separated, um, from John 883 00:35:42,975 --> 00:35:45,894 for approximately a year, living in a new home, 884 00:35:45,894 --> 00:35:48,105 and I randomly get a call from a woman saying 885 00:35:48,105 --> 00:35:51,149 that she has travelled to, um, Cancun 886 00:35:51,149 --> 00:35:54,027 with John and, uh, asking me 887 00:35:54,027 --> 00:35:55,737 a lot of questions about him. 888 00:35:55,737 --> 00:35:58,115 I said, "You need to call Detective Luken." 889 00:35:58,115 --> 00:36:00,993 Seven days later, after I open this case, 890 00:36:00,993 --> 00:36:03,161 luck would have it, I get a call from Meg. 891 00:36:03,161 --> 00:36:07,707 He told me that there had to be drugs in John's house. 892 00:36:07,707 --> 00:36:09,960 He was afraid there were weapons in the house. 893 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,712 He told me that they had been trying to get John 894 00:36:12,712 --> 00:36:14,756 for months and months. 895 00:36:14,756 --> 00:36:16,925 He asked me if I would go into the house 896 00:36:16,925 --> 00:36:19,052 and see if I could find any drugs. 897 00:36:19,052 --> 00:36:21,346 I had a key. 898 00:36:21,346 --> 00:36:24,016 I'm going through the house. 899 00:36:24,016 --> 00:36:27,310 I know John's in Mexico... 900 00:36:27,310 --> 00:36:29,354 but I kept thinking, "He's gonna come up 901 00:36:29,354 --> 00:36:31,857 right behind me." 902 00:36:31,857 --> 00:36:35,152 Inside, I was trembling. 903 00:36:35,152 --> 00:36:37,988 And I just happened to look up... 904 00:36:37,988 --> 00:36:40,907 and there was an attic door. 905 00:36:40,907 --> 00:36:43,994 And it wasn't put in place right. 906 00:36:43,994 --> 00:36:47,205 It looked like someone had been up there recently. 907 00:36:47,205 --> 00:36:49,624 I was so afraid to stick my head up there. 908 00:36:49,624 --> 00:36:51,501 Stuck my head up there, 909 00:36:51,501 --> 00:36:54,212 and it was chock full of empty vials. 910 00:36:54,212 --> 00:36:56,381 911 00:36:56,381 --> 00:36:59,092 There were vials stuck in the gym shoes, 912 00:36:59,092 --> 00:37:02,179 there were vials everywhere. 913 00:37:02,179 --> 00:37:04,181 I couldn't believe it. 914 00:37:04,181 --> 00:37:06,307 Like, "This is really true, 915 00:37:06,307 --> 00:37:08,894 "and this man is now going to kill me 916 00:37:08,894 --> 00:37:11,021 because I helped." 917 00:37:11,021 --> 00:37:13,065 I don't think I was out the front door 918 00:37:13,065 --> 00:37:16,109 before I called Dennis and said, "I found it. 919 00:37:16,109 --> 00:37:17,736 I found everything." 920 00:37:17,736 --> 00:37:19,779 He said, "We need to get a search warrant. 921 00:37:19,779 --> 00:37:22,323 Will you be willing to go in front of the judge?" 922 00:37:22,323 --> 00:37:25,368 If you want a search warrant, then yes. 923 00:37:25,368 --> 00:37:26,995 [Luken] When I did the search warrant 924 00:37:26,995 --> 00:37:29,164 on his house, I found a Ruger 9mm. 925 00:37:29,164 --> 00:37:32,209 Well, he was not allowed to possess that 926 00:37:32,209 --> 00:37:33,960 because he was on probation 927 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,962 from where he had threatened Tonia. 928 00:37:35,962 --> 00:37:38,256 [John, recording] Tonia, you enjoy your time 929 00:37:38,256 --> 00:37:40,383 left on this Earth, okay? 930 00:37:40,383 --> 00:37:43,302 - I think John's crimes and arrogance about it 931 00:37:43,302 --> 00:37:46,848 were so egregious that, uh, Detective Luken 932 00:37:46,848 --> 00:37:49,684 just was not gonna let this case or this guy go. 933 00:37:49,684 --> 00:37:51,937 They revoked his probation, 934 00:37:51,937 --> 00:37:53,521 they arrested him. 935 00:37:53,521 --> 00:37:56,233 I went up to the Montgomery County Jail 936 00:37:56,233 --> 00:37:58,484 to interview him. 937 00:37:58,484 --> 00:38:01,863 John denied taking drugs from the hospitals. 938 00:38:01,863 --> 00:38:03,782 He also stated at that point and time, 939 00:38:03,782 --> 00:38:05,366 "I could show you four hundred ways 940 00:38:05,366 --> 00:38:07,077 to steal drugs from a hospital." 941 00:38:07,077 --> 00:38:09,913 John had all the traits of a psychopath. 942 00:38:09,913 --> 00:38:11,831 It was all about control. 943 00:38:11,831 --> 00:38:14,000 John was the most dangerous, 944 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,877 treacherous, devious, 945 00:38:15,877 --> 00:38:19,047 deceptive individual that I ever prosecuted 946 00:38:19,047 --> 00:38:21,883 in 40 years of law enforcement. 947 00:38:21,883 --> 00:38:24,219 [Tonia] I was in the courtroom when John was sentenced, 948 00:38:24,219 --> 00:38:27,472 and he requested time to make arrangements 949 00:38:27,472 --> 00:38:29,266 for his two dogs. 950 00:38:29,266 --> 00:38:31,684 And then he was to show on Monday morning at 10:00 951 00:38:31,684 --> 00:38:34,229 for his sentencing. 952 00:38:34,229 --> 00:38:37,149 [Luken] So he's out on bond during 953 00:38:34,229 --> 00:38:37,149 this whole point in time. 954 00:38:37,149 --> 00:38:39,025 He's gotta do something. 955 00:38:39,025 --> 00:38:42,070 He wants to get that last high or last fix or whatever, 956 00:38:42,070 --> 00:38:43,989 so John, out of desperation, 957 00:38:43,989 --> 00:38:47,284 drove to Saginaw, Michigan, where he then stole 958 00:38:47,284 --> 00:38:51,246 anesthesia kits from three different hospitals. 959 00:38:51,246 --> 00:38:53,498 [phone ringing] 960 00:38:53,498 --> 00:38:56,375 - That Monday I got a call from Detective Luken, 961 00:38:56,375 --> 00:38:58,878 and what he said to me was, 962 00:38:58,878 --> 00:39:01,256 "Tonia, John did not show 963 00:39:01,256 --> 00:39:03,591 "for his sentencing, and they sometimes 964 00:39:03,591 --> 00:39:06,136 take hostages." 965 00:39:06,136 --> 00:39:09,306 - She needs to run like hell and get away from John. 966 00:39:09,306 --> 00:39:11,183 - And he said, "I want you to go get your children 967 00:39:11,183 --> 00:39:14,060 out of daycare and school and go hide." 968 00:39:14,060 --> 00:39:15,812 969 00:39:15,812 --> 00:39:18,231 And I thought, "Oh, my God, he's coming over here." 970 00:39:18,231 --> 00:39:20,066 You know, "He's coming to the house 971 00:39:20,066 --> 00:39:22,152 and he's gonna do something to me." 972 00:39:28,533 --> 00:39:30,618 [Tonia] I got a call from Detective Luken. 973 00:39:30,618 --> 00:39:33,412 He said that John did not show for his sentencing, 974 00:39:33,412 --> 00:39:35,623 and he said, "I want you to go get your children 975 00:39:35,623 --> 00:39:38,293 out of daycare and school and go hide." 976 00:39:38,293 --> 00:39:40,212 [dramatic music] 977 00:39:40,212 --> 00:39:43,381 And I thought, "Oh, my God, he's coming over here." 978 00:39:43,381 --> 00:39:45,258 He's coming to the house and he's gonna 979 00:39:45,258 --> 00:39:46,509 do something to me. 980 00:39:46,509 --> 00:39:48,845 I just felt, uh, a visceral, you know-- 981 00:39:48,845 --> 00:39:50,305 I was frightened. 982 00:39:52,557 --> 00:39:54,142 [engine turns over] 983 00:39:55,810 --> 00:39:58,230 I always thought that, like, he was gonna try 984 00:39:58,230 --> 00:40:00,357 to, like, come and get us just to get back at my mom. 985 00:40:00,357 --> 00:40:02,525 And I got scared. 986 00:40:02,525 --> 00:40:04,777 John wants to get that last high or last fix. 987 00:40:04,777 --> 00:40:06,946 He went to three different hospitals 988 00:40:06,946 --> 00:40:09,115 where he had worked, and he was able 989 00:40:09,115 --> 00:40:11,743 to gain anesthesia kits. 990 00:40:11,743 --> 00:40:13,953 The following morning, the cleaning attendant 991 00:40:13,953 --> 00:40:16,622 for the hotel at Comfort Suites in Michigan 992 00:40:16,622 --> 00:40:18,457 finds him in a room 993 00:40:18,457 --> 00:40:20,459 in a semiconscious state. 994 00:40:20,459 --> 00:40:22,045 Calls the paramedics. 995 00:40:22,045 --> 00:40:24,172 They're gonna transport him to a hospital. 996 00:40:24,172 --> 00:40:26,632 [sirens wailing] 997 00:40:26,632 --> 00:40:29,844 [dramatic music] 998 00:40:29,844 --> 00:40:32,430 [Goffard] He jumped out of the ambulance, 999 00:40:32,430 --> 00:40:35,058 ran into a local, uh, department store 1000 00:40:35,058 --> 00:40:37,185 climbed up an elevator shaft, 1001 00:40:37,185 --> 00:40:40,105 and fought like hell as the cops tried 1002 00:40:40,105 --> 00:40:41,522 to climb up and get him. 1003 00:40:41,522 --> 00:40:42,982 He was not afraid to use violence, 1004 00:40:42,982 --> 00:40:45,360 and I think he was capable of murder. 1005 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,071 - One of the officers was able to grab John 1006 00:40:48,071 --> 00:40:50,282 and they both fell about 10 to 12 feet 1007 00:40:50,282 --> 00:40:52,409 on top of the elevator. 1008 00:40:52,409 --> 00:40:54,619 So at that point John was placed under arrest 1009 00:40:54,619 --> 00:40:56,955 for the theft of those anesthesia kits. 1010 00:40:56,955 --> 00:40:59,498 Oh, when I found out that-- 1011 00:40:59,498 --> 00:41:01,418 that he was arrested in Michigan, 1012 00:41:01,418 --> 00:41:05,046 it felt like a ton of bricks was lifted off my shoulder. 1013 00:41:05,046 --> 00:41:08,466 and I thought, "I'm gonna have some peace for at least, 1014 00:41:08,466 --> 00:41:11,010 "you know, 21 months or two years. 1015 00:41:11,010 --> 00:41:15,098 "I can breathe. I don't have to be looking 1016 00:41:11,010 --> 00:41:15,098 over my shoulder." 1017 00:41:15,098 --> 00:41:17,516 [Luken] John had no criminal record 1018 00:41:15,098 --> 00:41:17,516 at that point in time. 1019 00:41:17,516 --> 00:41:20,145 And in Ohio, if you successfully complete 1020 00:41:20,145 --> 00:41:23,148 a treatment program you don't go to jail, 1021 00:41:23,148 --> 00:41:24,774 and it's gonna be removed from your record. 1022 00:41:24,774 --> 00:41:28,111 John always had a way of escaping things. 1023 00:41:28,111 --> 00:41:29,779 That's our criminal justice system. 1024 00:41:29,779 --> 00:41:31,197 Everybody thinks that everybody 1025 00:41:31,197 --> 00:41:32,657 can be rehabilitated. 1026 00:41:32,657 --> 00:41:34,826 John was not somebody you can rehabilitate. 1027 00:41:34,826 --> 00:41:37,162 He was the worst of the worst. 1028 00:41:37,162 --> 00:41:38,537 1029 00:41:38,537 --> 00:41:41,207 - Dennis Luken saw what a lot of people 1030 00:41:41,207 --> 00:41:43,251 in the justice system did not. 1031 00:41:43,251 --> 00:41:46,671 That, uh, John Meehan was a fundamentally 1032 00:41:46,671 --> 00:41:49,757 different creature from a lot of the people 1033 00:41:49,757 --> 00:41:52,302 that the system is designed to deal with. 1034 00:41:52,302 --> 00:41:54,804 - He needed those drugs. That was John's obsession. 1035 00:41:54,804 --> 00:41:56,514 He had to have those drugs. 1036 00:41:56,514 --> 00:41:58,766 And if that means stealing, hurting someone, 1037 00:41:58,766 --> 00:42:01,186 terrorizing some-- John's gonna do it. 1038 00:42:03,438 --> 00:42:05,898 - When John found out my name was on the search warrant, 1039 00:42:05,898 --> 00:42:07,859 he lost it. 1040 00:42:07,859 --> 00:42:10,987 John calls me and tells me that 1041 00:42:10,987 --> 00:42:13,156 I'm going to regret 1042 00:42:13,156 --> 00:42:15,950 ever helping Dennis Luken. 1043 00:42:15,950 --> 00:42:18,453 He said I was a whore and a bitch 1044 00:42:18,453 --> 00:42:20,663 and I was going to pay for what I did. 1045 00:42:20,663 --> 00:42:23,249 He knew where my family was; 1046 00:42:23,249 --> 00:42:24,583 you know, I had small children. 1047 00:42:24,583 --> 00:42:26,836 In his threats, his voice was so real. 1048 00:42:26,836 --> 00:42:30,798 His voice went from this cute guy in Mexico, 1049 00:42:30,798 --> 00:42:33,551 to psycho. 1050 00:42:33,551 --> 00:42:35,387 1051 00:42:35,387 --> 00:42:37,096 [Luken] He sent her postcards, 1052 00:42:37,096 --> 00:42:39,724 taunting her, harassing her. 1053 00:42:41,017 --> 00:42:43,520 Says, "How's my poor little Meg doing? 1054 00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:45,104 "Freedom is so tasty. 1055 00:42:45,104 --> 00:42:47,399 "But you wouldn't know about that. 1056 00:42:47,399 --> 00:42:49,359 How about--remember Cancun?" 1057 00:42:49,359 --> 00:42:51,486 And he signs "D. Luken" on it. 1058 00:42:51,486 --> 00:42:53,821 It's about the control, 1059 00:42:53,821 --> 00:42:56,282 the manipulation, the terrorization. 1060 00:42:56,282 --> 00:42:58,159 You can't get away from John. 1061 00:42:58,159 --> 00:43:00,203 John's always got his tentacles on you. 1062 00:43:02,580 --> 00:43:04,582 [Tonia] You can't escape John Meehan 1063 00:43:04,582 --> 00:43:06,543 until he's dead. 1064 00:43:06,543 --> 00:43:09,128 There's been some small victories, maybe, for you. 1065 00:43:09,128 --> 00:43:11,548 Maybe things have gone in your direction, you know, 1066 00:43:11,548 --> 00:43:15,176 with the law or the court, but you never feel 1067 00:43:15,176 --> 00:43:17,720 perfectly at ease. 1068 00:43:17,720 --> 00:43:20,014 [Meg] John was out of rehab. 1069 00:43:20,014 --> 00:43:22,475 I'm outside in my cute little neighborhood-- 1070 00:43:22,475 --> 00:43:24,352 very quiet little neighborhood-- 1071 00:43:24,352 --> 00:43:27,313 walking my dog, and I go to cross the street... 1072 00:43:27,313 --> 00:43:29,732 [engine revving] 1073 00:43:29,732 --> 00:43:30,983 ...and a car came at me. 1074 00:43:30,983 --> 00:43:32,902 The moment I saw the car, 1075 00:43:32,902 --> 00:43:34,320 I knew it was aiming for me. 1076 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:35,988 [revving engine] 1077 00:43:37,198 --> 00:43:38,741 And it came at me so fast. 1078 00:43:38,741 --> 00:43:41,202 I'm trying to get away, and I can't get away. 1079 00:43:41,202 --> 00:43:43,704 [tires squealing] 1080 00:43:43,704 --> 00:43:45,415 [woman screams] 1081 00:43:45,415 --> 00:43:46,791 I got hit by the car. 1082 00:43:46,791 --> 00:43:48,126 I knew it was John. 1083 00:43:48,126 --> 00:43:50,420 I had no doubt that it was John. 1084 00:43:50,420 --> 00:43:53,214 He knew that I was on that search warrant, 1085 00:43:53,214 --> 00:43:57,260 he believed that I had just ruined his life. 1086 00:43:57,260 --> 00:43:58,636 This guy just tried to kill me. 1087 00:43:58,636 --> 00:44:00,930 I'm miserable. 1088 00:44:00,930 --> 00:44:02,681 My leg is broken. 1089 00:44:02,681 --> 00:44:04,934 I called Dennis the next day, 1090 00:44:04,934 --> 00:44:07,853 and that's when Dennis told me he had an alibi. 1091 00:44:07,853 --> 00:44:10,148 - He had an axe to grind with her. 1092 00:44:10,148 --> 00:44:13,943 I knew at some point in time either he would kill someone 1093 00:44:13,943 --> 00:44:16,321 or somebody would have to kill him. 1094 00:44:16,321 --> 00:44:17,822 1095 00:44:21,700 --> 00:44:23,744 - John Meehan evaded law enforcement 1096 00:44:23,744 --> 00:44:25,288 year after year. 1097 00:44:25,288 --> 00:44:26,664 He seemed to have no fear of the authorities, 1098 00:44:26,664 --> 00:44:28,249 no respect for the law. 1099 00:44:28,249 --> 00:44:29,750 By the time he married Debra Newell, 1100 00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:32,420 he had multiple restraining orders against him 1101 00:44:32,420 --> 00:44:34,339 filed by different women. 1102 00:44:34,339 --> 00:44:36,882 He was a chameleon, so he molded himself 1103 00:44:36,882 --> 00:44:39,927 into whatever image people seemed to need from him. 1104 00:44:39,927 --> 00:44:42,847 [Debra] John was the perfect husband. 1105 00:44:42,847 --> 00:44:45,850 He doted, and he would tell me all the time, 1106 00:44:45,850 --> 00:44:47,602 "You have it so good. 1107 00:44:47,602 --> 00:44:49,521 I am so good to you." 1108 00:44:49,521 --> 00:44:51,814 And I'd think, "You're right, you are." 1109 00:44:51,814 --> 00:44:54,775 It was just like this whirlwind... 1110 00:44:54,775 --> 00:44:56,986 uh, romance. 1111 00:44:56,986 --> 00:44:59,905 During this time frame, John and Jacquelyn 1112 00:44:59,905 --> 00:45:01,616 started despising each other, 1113 00:45:01,616 --> 00:45:04,785 so John told me, "You'd better not be 1114 00:45:04,785 --> 00:45:05,953 seeing your daughter." 1115 00:45:05,953 --> 00:45:08,289 So I would sneak to go see her. 1116 00:45:08,289 --> 00:45:10,791 Jacquelyn I was looking over my shoulder 1117 00:45:10,791 --> 00:45:12,210 everywhere I went 1118 00:45:12,210 --> 00:45:14,546 the whole time she was with him. 1119 00:45:14,546 --> 00:45:16,797 He was a ticking time bomb. 1120 00:45:16,797 --> 00:45:19,467 - Jacquelyn knew he was up to no good 1121 00:45:19,467 --> 00:45:22,011 and began to research him. 1122 00:45:22,011 --> 00:45:24,430 1123 00:45:24,430 --> 00:45:26,558 [Jacquelyn] I was determined to get evidence 1124 00:45:26,558 --> 00:45:31,479 he was lying, so we put a tracker 1125 00:45:26,558 --> 00:45:31,479 on John's car. 1126 00:45:31,479 --> 00:45:34,566 I was curious about everything that he did. 1127 00:45:34,566 --> 00:45:38,069 [Terra] I loved it when Jacquelyn tracked 1128 00:45:34,566 --> 00:45:38,069 his car. 1129 00:45:38,069 --> 00:45:41,531 I thought, "At least someone's doing the dirty work." 1130 00:45:41,531 --> 00:45:45,034 - [Jacquelyn] He would hit up three or four doctors' offices 1131 00:45:45,034 --> 00:45:46,619 in one day. 1132 00:45:46,619 --> 00:45:48,829 Sometimes he would only be at these places 1133 00:45:48,829 --> 00:45:50,747 for 30 minutes. 1134 00:45:50,747 --> 00:45:53,959 - My theory was he was getting different drugs 1135 00:45:53,959 --> 00:45:56,337 at different doctors. 1136 00:45:56,337 --> 00:45:58,839 - And then he would go home and be on the TV 1137 00:45:58,839 --> 00:46:00,383 playing video games. 1138 00:46:00,383 --> 00:46:01,884 He would be sleeping for like 14 1139 00:46:01,884 --> 00:46:04,512 to 16 hours straight. 1140 00:46:04,512 --> 00:46:07,682 [Debra] Jacquelyn said something 1141 00:46:04,512 --> 00:46:07,682 to me at one point. 1142 00:46:07,682 --> 00:46:10,643 "If you knew that John was... 1143 00:46:10,643 --> 00:46:13,062 lying, would you still love him?" 1144 00:46:14,980 --> 00:46:16,982 I said, "Yes." 1145 00:46:16,982 --> 00:46:19,527 - We thought that she might... 1146 00:46:19,527 --> 00:46:21,654 not believe us... 1147 00:46:21,654 --> 00:46:26,325 because John was so good at manipulating her. 1148 00:46:26,325 --> 00:46:29,078 My mom was very much in love with John. 1149 00:46:29,078 --> 00:46:31,623 She thought that he was her soul mate. 1150 00:46:31,623 --> 00:46:32,998 1151 00:46:32,998 --> 00:46:35,126 - There were little signs along the way 1152 00:46:35,126 --> 00:46:37,420 that something wasn't right. 1153 00:46:40,339 --> 00:46:43,092 John had set up these cameras in the house. 1154 00:46:43,092 --> 00:46:45,010 One was at the front door, 1155 00:46:45,010 --> 00:46:47,639 one was outside. 1156 00:46:47,639 --> 00:46:49,641 What John didn't realize is, 1157 00:46:49,641 --> 00:46:51,976 yes, he was watching me, 1158 00:46:51,976 --> 00:46:54,687 but I could also watch him. 1159 00:46:54,687 --> 00:46:57,440 So he would leave for work 1160 00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,735 in his scrubs and come back an hour later, 1161 00:47:00,735 --> 00:47:02,528 uh, when I was gone, 1162 00:47:02,528 --> 00:47:05,948 and go up to the room and lay down. 1163 00:47:05,948 --> 00:47:08,909 Spend the day playing video games 1164 00:47:08,909 --> 00:47:11,912 or on his computer. 1165 00:47:11,912 --> 00:47:15,792 I didn't want to believe it, by any means... 1166 00:47:15,792 --> 00:47:18,169 but that's when I started seeing, 1167 00:47:18,169 --> 00:47:20,463 "Something's not right." 1168 00:47:20,463 --> 00:47:23,466 [suspenseful music] 1169 00:47:23,466 --> 00:47:25,677 One day I walked out 1170 00:47:25,677 --> 00:47:28,638 to the mailbox and there was this letter 1171 00:47:28,638 --> 00:47:32,141 for John from a man from jail. 1172 00:47:32,141 --> 00:47:34,435 So I got the mail, 1173 00:47:34,435 --> 00:47:36,688 read this letter... 1174 00:47:36,688 --> 00:47:40,358 and it's talking about how happy he was for John 1175 00:47:40,358 --> 00:47:43,820 that he's happily married and has a great life 1176 00:47:43,820 --> 00:47:45,780 and that he'd turned his life around. 1177 00:47:48,865 --> 00:47:50,409 And as I'm reading this, 1178 00:47:50,409 --> 00:47:53,996 I'm thinking, "What is going on?" 1179 00:47:53,996 --> 00:47:55,665 1180 00:47:55,665 --> 00:47:57,291 There's cameras inside. 1181 00:47:57,291 --> 00:48:00,085 He can pretty much watch me wherever he was. 1182 00:48:00,085 --> 00:48:02,714 John walks up, 1183 00:48:02,714 --> 00:48:05,007 grabs the letter. 1184 00:48:05,007 --> 00:48:07,343 Says, "You've just committed a felony. 1185 00:48:07,343 --> 00:48:08,720 You opened up my mail." 1186 00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:12,557 And I said, "John, who is this guy?" 1187 00:48:12,557 --> 00:48:15,226 He says, "How dare you open up my mail. 1188 00:48:15,226 --> 00:48:17,019 "You are so wrong. 1189 00:48:17,019 --> 00:48:19,814 I could have you arrested for this." 1190 00:48:19,814 --> 00:48:22,441 I remember thinking to myself, "Oh, my gosh. 1191 00:48:22,441 --> 00:48:24,819 What have I gotten myself into?" 1192 00:48:24,819 --> 00:48:26,987 1193 00:48:28,989 --> 00:48:31,325 [tense music] 1194 00:48:31,325 --> 00:48:33,994 - I read this letter, and it's from this man in jail. 1195 00:48:33,994 --> 00:48:36,163 John walks up, 1196 00:48:36,163 --> 00:48:37,832 grabs the letter, 1197 00:48:37,832 --> 00:48:39,124 but he turned it on me. 1198 00:48:39,124 --> 00:48:42,628 He says, "How dare you open up my mail?" 1199 00:48:42,628 --> 00:48:44,921 He threw it on me, what I had done, 1200 00:48:44,921 --> 00:48:48,092 and made me look like I was just the worst person on Earth. 1201 00:48:48,092 --> 00:48:50,177 I said, "Okay, well, who is he? 1202 00:48:50,177 --> 00:48:51,387 Just tell me that much." 1203 00:48:51,387 --> 00:48:54,348 He said, "I send him care packages." 1204 00:48:54,348 --> 00:48:57,059 "I send care packages 1205 00:48:57,059 --> 00:49:00,605 to a lot of people that are in prison." 1206 00:49:00,605 --> 00:49:03,107 And I thought, "Oh, well, that's a kind thing." 1207 00:49:03,107 --> 00:49:05,359 It was very difficult to live with John. 1208 00:49:05,359 --> 00:49:09,154 You have this fear, at some point, 1209 00:49:09,154 --> 00:49:11,073 that you're doing something wrong 1210 00:49:11,073 --> 00:49:13,075 even though you're not doing something wrong. 1211 00:49:13,075 --> 00:49:16,454 I... was so confused. 1212 00:49:16,454 --> 00:49:18,205 1213 00:49:18,205 --> 00:49:19,540 [Richards] He was very sophisticated 1214 00:49:19,540 --> 00:49:22,251 at this brainwashing of-- of Debra. 1215 00:49:22,251 --> 00:49:25,087 You are talking about a grown adult female 1216 00:49:25,087 --> 00:49:28,841 that is being, uh, almost undone psychologically. 1217 00:49:28,841 --> 00:49:31,302 However, Debra in her gut knew 1218 00:49:31,302 --> 00:49:34,597 that certain things didn't add up. 1219 00:49:34,597 --> 00:49:36,599 - I was, little by little, 1220 00:49:36,599 --> 00:49:37,892 having my suspicions. 1221 00:49:37,892 --> 00:49:41,270 I also fell in love with him, 1222 00:49:41,270 --> 00:49:43,898 so I didn't want to look at him. 1223 00:49:43,898 --> 00:49:46,108 I only wanted to see the good. 1224 00:49:46,108 --> 00:49:48,235 - It was the kind of thing that he specialized in: 1225 00:49:48,235 --> 00:49:51,530 putting pressure on people and manipulating them. 1226 00:49:51,530 --> 00:49:53,240 Jacquelyn in particular 1227 00:49:53,240 --> 00:49:55,075 got a very bad feeling from him 1228 00:49:55,075 --> 00:49:59,037 and, uh, put a tracker on his car. 1229 00:49:59,037 --> 00:50:01,916 - My mom and I had stopped speaking for a while 1230 00:50:01,916 --> 00:50:03,334 because of John. 1231 00:50:03,334 --> 00:50:05,670 I was still trying to do what I could 1232 00:50:05,670 --> 00:50:08,046 to track John's whereabouts. 1233 00:50:08,046 --> 00:50:11,049 I caught John watching my mom. 1234 00:50:11,049 --> 00:50:13,886 He followed her when she went to dinner. 1235 00:50:13,886 --> 00:50:16,347 I did not tell her because I didn't want her 1236 00:50:16,347 --> 00:50:20,100 to know that I still had an eye on him. 1237 00:50:20,100 --> 00:50:23,270 One night, I could see on the tracker 1238 00:50:23,270 --> 00:50:26,273 that John's car was across the street 1239 00:50:26,273 --> 00:50:28,192 from my high-rise. 1240 00:50:28,192 --> 00:50:31,278 He was watching me. 1241 00:50:31,278 --> 00:50:33,823 I thought I was going crazy. 1242 00:50:33,823 --> 00:50:35,908 I did not know what John Meehan 1243 00:50:35,908 --> 00:50:38,369 was going to do, but somebody needed 1244 00:50:38,369 --> 00:50:40,204 to stop him. 1245 00:50:43,457 --> 00:50:46,377 - For me, it was, "How can we get this guy to stop?" 1246 00:50:46,377 --> 00:50:49,338 John was an evil person. 1247 00:50:49,338 --> 00:50:51,089 The case came to my desk. 1248 00:50:51,089 --> 00:50:53,342 The suspect, named John Meehan, 1249 00:50:53,342 --> 00:50:55,720 had a dating relationship 1250 00:50:55,720 --> 00:50:57,763 with this Brazilian woman. 1251 00:50:57,763 --> 00:50:59,891 Her name is Marileide Anderson. 1252 00:50:59,891 --> 00:51:03,268 She is a accomplished author in Brazil. 1253 00:51:03,268 --> 00:51:04,979 She's written several books. 1254 00:51:04,979 --> 00:51:07,231 She was a multimillionaire. 1255 00:51:07,231 --> 00:51:10,066 She told me that in April of 2012 1256 00:51:10,066 --> 00:51:12,236 she had brain surgery. 1257 00:51:12,236 --> 00:51:15,239 She woke up the next morning in a haze. 1258 00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:17,241 There was a man by her bedside 1259 00:51:17,241 --> 00:51:19,869 and he was wearing scrubs, and he identified himself 1260 00:51:19,869 --> 00:51:21,662 as her anesthesiologist. 1261 00:51:22,788 --> 00:51:24,790 He's very charming, 1262 00:51:24,790 --> 00:51:28,878 he's very good talking, good presentation. 1263 00:51:28,878 --> 00:51:31,213 I feel very comfortable with him. 1264 00:51:31,213 --> 00:51:33,382 [Bowman] After meeting in the hospital 1265 00:51:33,382 --> 00:51:35,426 they started a relationship. 1266 00:51:35,426 --> 00:51:37,261 Marileide was very vulnerable. 1267 00:51:37,261 --> 00:51:38,971 She had just had brain surgery. 1268 00:51:38,971 --> 00:51:41,766 She's going through a divorce with her husband. 1269 00:51:41,766 --> 00:51:44,184 John and Marileide's email exchanges 1270 00:51:44,184 --> 00:51:46,478 were very flirtatious 1271 00:51:46,478 --> 00:51:48,064 and very calculated in-- 1272 00:51:48,064 --> 00:51:50,900 in the way that he's grooming her 1273 00:51:50,900 --> 00:51:54,779 to divulge her most intimate information. 1274 00:51:54,779 --> 00:51:57,281 She started telling him that she had all this money 1275 00:51:57,281 --> 00:51:59,075 in Brazil, but she was unable 1276 00:51:59,075 --> 00:52:00,868 to bring it to the United States. 1277 00:52:00,868 --> 00:52:03,579 John told her he had a free bank account 1278 00:52:03,579 --> 00:52:06,206 and that he could take all of her money. 1279 00:52:06,206 --> 00:52:09,125 She was going to be transferring 1280 00:52:09,125 --> 00:52:11,169 $37 million 1281 00:52:11,169 --> 00:52:14,339 into John Meehan's bank account. 1282 00:52:14,339 --> 00:52:16,425 Marileide reaches out to her friend, 1283 00:52:16,425 --> 00:52:18,052 and her friend says, 1284 00:52:18,052 --> 00:52:19,845 "You've made a horrible mistake. 1285 00:52:19,845 --> 00:52:21,889 "I don't care who the guy is, you should have never 1286 00:52:21,889 --> 00:52:23,432 transferred your money to him." 1287 00:52:23,432 --> 00:52:25,392 So Marileide immediately begins the process 1288 00:52:25,392 --> 00:52:27,269 of stopping the transfer. 1289 00:52:27,269 --> 00:52:29,438 The money never came to his account, 1290 00:52:29,438 --> 00:52:33,109 then he started to be very mad and rude to me. 1291 00:52:33,109 --> 00:52:35,402 - Once their relationship ended, 1292 00:52:35,402 --> 00:52:38,280 he started extorting her for money. 1293 00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,325 He tells her that she now owes him 1294 00:52:41,325 --> 00:52:44,244 $37,000 that she needs 1295 00:52:44,244 --> 00:52:48,958 to pay him back for John to leave her alone. 1296 00:52:48,958 --> 00:52:52,711 [Marileide] Wherever I drive, 1297 00:52:48,958 --> 00:52:52,711 he follows me. 1298 00:52:52,711 --> 00:52:57,133 Then I have to sleep with a knife to protect myself. 1299 00:52:58,843 --> 00:53:01,303 - So Marileide finally came to the police department 1300 00:53:01,303 --> 00:53:05,141 because John Meehan had broken into her house. 1301 00:53:05,141 --> 00:53:07,935 But he was just so hard to find. 1302 00:53:07,935 --> 00:53:11,438 He made himself kind of like a ghost. 1303 00:53:11,438 --> 00:53:12,940 During the course of the investigation 1304 00:53:12,940 --> 00:53:16,027 we learned from Marileide that he had 1305 00:53:16,027 --> 00:53:18,154 all these physical ailments. 1306 00:53:18,154 --> 00:53:20,865 He had a chiropractor in Palm Desert. 1307 00:53:20,865 --> 00:53:22,783 Well, it was kind of a shot in the dark 1308 00:53:22,783 --> 00:53:24,409 but went to this chiropractic office 1309 00:53:24,409 --> 00:53:26,954 and sat in our, uh, unmarked car. 1310 00:53:26,954 --> 00:53:28,747 [tense music] 1311 00:53:28,747 --> 00:53:31,542 And John pulls into the lot, gets out of the car. 1312 00:53:31,542 --> 00:53:33,251 1313 00:53:33,251 --> 00:53:35,253 I went up to John and badged him. 1314 00:53:35,253 --> 00:53:37,297 1315 00:53:37,297 --> 00:53:40,467 Every single thing he said to me was a lie. 1316 00:53:40,467 --> 00:53:42,302 1317 00:53:42,302 --> 00:53:45,139 We arrested him for burglary, 1318 00:53:45,139 --> 00:53:47,099 extortion, stalking. 1319 00:53:47,099 --> 00:53:49,560 Inside of the car we found paperwork 1320 00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:52,479 for an office building and an RV 1321 00:53:52,479 --> 00:53:53,772 in Cathedral City. 1322 00:53:53,772 --> 00:53:56,316 We go to the trailer and it looks like 1323 00:53:56,316 --> 00:53:58,527 it's out of, uh, "Breaking Bad." 1324 00:53:58,527 --> 00:54:00,362 1325 00:54:00,362 --> 00:54:02,238 It's filthy. Just lots 1326 00:54:02,238 --> 00:54:04,992 of prescription drugs, needles. 1327 00:54:04,992 --> 00:54:06,869 Barely could walk around inside of it. 1328 00:54:06,869 --> 00:54:10,246 But there is this very, very nice computer, 1329 00:54:10,246 --> 00:54:12,499 and the entire wallpaper 1330 00:54:12,499 --> 00:54:15,002 is hundreds of JPEGs of women. 1331 00:54:15,002 --> 00:54:16,879 Clicking on the pictures of the women 1332 00:54:16,879 --> 00:54:18,589 I immediately start to recognize them, 1333 00:54:18,589 --> 00:54:22,218 either as Marileide or previous girlfriends, 1334 00:54:22,218 --> 00:54:24,053 his wives. 1335 00:54:24,053 --> 00:54:25,345 1336 00:54:25,345 --> 00:54:27,056 - Why he left all this evidence around 1337 00:54:27,056 --> 00:54:29,141 is one of my, uh, abiding questions 1338 00:54:29,141 --> 00:54:30,768 about John Meehan. 1339 00:54:30,768 --> 00:54:34,063 Maybe because he lusted after confrontation. 1340 00:54:34,063 --> 00:54:37,399 Maybe because he kept them around as trophies. 1341 00:54:37,399 --> 00:54:39,443 - I was very concerned. 1342 00:54:39,443 --> 00:54:42,571 In the office building there was a refrigerator. 1343 00:54:42,571 --> 00:54:45,532 Crooks hide things in their freezer. 1344 00:54:45,532 --> 00:54:48,660 Open the refrigerator and there's a backpack. 1345 00:54:48,660 --> 00:54:51,205 Open the backpack and inside the backpack 1346 00:54:51,205 --> 00:54:52,998 there is a revolver, 1347 00:54:52,998 --> 00:54:55,251 there's hundreds of rounds of ammo, 1348 00:54:55,251 --> 00:54:57,544 there's a bottle of cyanide capsules. 1349 00:54:57,544 --> 00:55:00,672 Pretty much a very complete 1350 00:55:00,672 --> 00:55:03,259 killing and kidnapping kit. 1351 00:55:03,259 --> 00:55:06,262 We have to throw the book at this guy. 1352 00:55:06,262 --> 00:55:08,304 When I saw the kidnapping and killing kit, 1353 00:55:08,304 --> 00:55:10,390 I knew that John was capable of murder. 1354 00:55:13,727 --> 00:55:15,687 [tense music] 1355 00:55:15,687 --> 00:55:18,607 - When I saw the kidnapping and killing kit I knew 1356 00:55:18,607 --> 00:55:21,110 that John was capable of murder. 1357 00:55:21,110 --> 00:55:23,779 On July 2013, 1358 00:55:23,779 --> 00:55:26,657 I contacted the domestic violence DA, 1359 00:55:26,657 --> 00:55:29,243 who said, "We have to throw 1360 00:55:29,243 --> 00:55:30,786 the book at this guy." 1361 00:55:30,786 --> 00:55:33,122 But our victim, Marileide Anderson, 1362 00:55:33,122 --> 00:55:35,791 was desperately trying to leave the United States 1363 00:55:35,791 --> 00:55:37,709 because she was in so much fear of him. 1364 00:55:37,709 --> 00:55:39,670 The DA was not confident 1365 00:55:39,670 --> 00:55:41,713 that she would be in the United States 1366 00:55:41,713 --> 00:55:45,843 to testify if we prolonged it with a jury trial. 1367 00:55:45,843 --> 00:55:48,512 - I had a lot of people call me and say, 1368 00:55:48,512 --> 00:55:51,347 "If you don't get out, he's going to kill you." 1369 00:55:53,184 --> 00:55:55,769 [Bowman] John pled felon in possession 1370 00:55:53,184 --> 00:55:55,769 of a firearm, 1371 00:55:55,769 --> 00:55:58,438 burglary, and stalking. 1372 00:55:58,438 --> 00:56:00,941 And he was sentenced to-- 1373 00:56:00,941 --> 00:56:04,360 to jail for only two years. 1374 00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:07,823 Two months after that, I got a call from a deputy. 1375 00:56:07,823 --> 00:56:09,200 He said, "We have an inmate 1376 00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:11,076 "who's put a hit out on someone. 1377 00:56:11,076 --> 00:56:12,953 Uh, do you know someone named Julia Bowman?" 1378 00:56:12,953 --> 00:56:14,955 And I said, "I am Julia Bowman." 1379 00:56:14,955 --> 00:56:17,373 And he said, "Well, we have an inmate--John Meehan-- 1380 00:56:17,373 --> 00:56:19,793 "who put a hit out for $10,000 1381 00:56:19,793 --> 00:56:21,879 on Julia Bowman." 1382 00:56:21,879 --> 00:56:23,964 At the same time this was going on, 1383 00:56:23,964 --> 00:56:27,009 my boyfriend and I had both felt that someone 1384 00:56:27,009 --> 00:56:28,302 was following us home. 1385 00:56:28,302 --> 00:56:31,055 Several times I would see the same car 1386 00:56:31,055 --> 00:56:32,764 right on my bumper. 1387 00:56:32,764 --> 00:56:34,892 And then as I get out of my car the car would stop 1388 00:56:34,892 --> 00:56:36,894 in front of our house. 1389 00:56:36,894 --> 00:56:39,730 We started putting firearms around the house 1390 00:56:39,730 --> 00:56:42,358 so that we would be able to defend ourselves. 1391 00:56:42,358 --> 00:56:43,942 1392 00:56:43,942 --> 00:56:45,485 I started having these vivid dreams 1393 00:56:45,485 --> 00:56:47,905 that John Meehan was outside of my house, 1394 00:56:47,905 --> 00:56:50,490 that he was coming to my house to kill me. 1395 00:56:50,490 --> 00:56:53,244 John was that case that would always haunt me 1396 00:56:53,244 --> 00:56:54,786 and was never going to go away. 1397 00:56:54,786 --> 00:56:57,873 So at that moment I knew he's not staying in jail. 1398 00:56:57,873 --> 00:56:59,375 This isn't over. 1399 00:57:03,087 --> 00:57:06,631 [Goffard] It was only a matter of two days after he got out 1400 00:57:06,631 --> 00:57:09,885 of jail for the last time that he found Debra Newell 1401 00:57:09,885 --> 00:57:12,637 on OurTime, the over-50 dating site. 1402 00:57:12,637 --> 00:57:15,140 At this point they are married, 1403 00:57:15,140 --> 00:57:17,393 but she's now more isolated 1404 00:57:17,393 --> 00:57:19,686 from her family than ever. 1405 00:57:19,686 --> 00:57:23,023 [Debra] Some of my kids stopped speaking to me. 1406 00:57:23,023 --> 00:57:26,277 I started missing my family... 1407 00:57:26,277 --> 00:57:28,404 so incredibly much. 1408 00:57:28,404 --> 00:57:30,739 John was really trying 1409 00:57:30,739 --> 00:57:34,201 to control my life and everything in it. 1410 00:57:34,201 --> 00:57:36,245 One night, he was supposed to have surgery the next day 1411 00:57:36,245 --> 00:57:38,289 on his back, 1412 00:57:38,289 --> 00:57:41,792 but that night he got a bowel obstruction, 1413 00:57:41,792 --> 00:57:44,002 ended up in the hospital, 1414 00:57:44,002 --> 00:57:46,088 and I had his phone. 1415 00:57:46,088 --> 00:57:47,965 I thought, "Okay." 1416 00:57:47,965 --> 00:57:50,259 And I went and started scrolling through it. 1417 00:57:50,259 --> 00:57:52,677 And I saw... 1418 00:57:52,677 --> 00:57:55,055 all these different women. 1419 00:57:55,055 --> 00:57:57,266 And I started 1420 00:57:57,266 --> 00:57:58,976 snapping shots of it-- 1421 00:57:58,976 --> 00:58:00,978 of his phone. 1422 00:58:00,978 --> 00:58:02,646 I was... 1423 00:58:02,646 --> 00:58:05,316 a thousand percent heartbroken. 1424 00:58:05,316 --> 00:58:07,067 Felt betrayed. 1425 00:58:07,067 --> 00:58:09,069 I just... 1426 00:58:11,071 --> 00:58:12,489 It was hard. 1427 00:58:14,116 --> 00:58:16,452 I drove to Balboa Island. 1428 00:58:16,452 --> 00:58:18,370 I thought, "I need to know the truth. 1429 00:58:18,370 --> 00:58:20,998 What's going on with him?" 1430 00:58:20,998 --> 00:58:24,460 - She called me that she needed me 1431 00:58:20,998 --> 00:58:24,460 to come over. 1432 00:58:24,460 --> 00:58:27,129 She believed some things that I was telling her 1433 00:58:27,129 --> 00:58:28,964 and she wanted my help. 1434 00:58:28,964 --> 00:58:30,548 1435 00:58:30,548 --> 00:58:32,759 - Uh, we went into his office. 1436 00:58:32,759 --> 00:58:34,303 There was a bunch of papers on the floor. 1437 00:58:34,303 --> 00:58:35,929 I grabbed some stuff. 1438 00:58:35,929 --> 00:58:37,389 [suspenseful music] 1439 00:58:37,389 --> 00:58:39,808 And we read a few of the pages 1440 00:58:39,808 --> 00:58:41,977 and we're like, "This is sick." 1441 00:58:41,977 --> 00:58:45,189 1442 00:58:45,189 --> 00:58:47,899 - When we came across his dirty laundry 1443 00:58:47,899 --> 00:58:50,068 that he was keeping on himself, 1444 00:58:50,068 --> 00:58:53,030 we were very alarmed. 1445 00:58:53,030 --> 00:58:55,449 - The papers show that John has 1446 00:58:55,449 --> 00:58:56,867 numerous names, 1447 00:58:56,867 --> 00:59:00,162 numerous social security numbers. 1448 00:59:01,497 --> 00:59:04,166 And it's stating all these different-- 1449 00:59:04,166 --> 00:59:05,876 I think there were seven or nine 1450 00:59:05,876 --> 00:59:08,837 restraining orders against him. 1451 00:59:10,547 --> 00:59:13,384 From stalking... 1452 00:59:13,384 --> 00:59:16,428 to choking, to drugs. 1453 00:59:16,428 --> 00:59:19,681 I mean, there were... [scoffs] 1454 00:59:19,681 --> 00:59:21,392 so many. 1455 00:59:22,393 --> 00:59:24,520 One was a case of this woman 1456 00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:28,315 from Laguna Beach-- Marileide Anderson-- 1457 00:59:28,315 --> 00:59:30,984 where John has tried to get her money 1458 00:59:30,984 --> 00:59:32,319 and stalked her 1459 00:59:32,319 --> 00:59:35,572 and really made her life a living hell. 1460 00:59:35,572 --> 00:59:38,158 At that point I realized, "Oh, my gosh. 1461 00:59:38,158 --> 00:59:39,951 I'm his latest victim." 1462 00:59:39,951 --> 00:59:42,120 1463 00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:44,081 I found myself in shock. 1464 00:59:45,832 --> 00:59:48,001 [Jacquelyn] And there were notes scribbled down 1465 00:59:48,001 --> 00:59:50,421 about semi-automatic weapons 1466 00:59:50,421 --> 00:59:54,007 that he was trying to get access to. 1467 00:59:54,007 --> 00:59:57,553 He had spyware passwords, usernames. 1468 00:59:57,553 --> 00:59:59,137 1469 00:59:59,137 --> 01:00:01,557 - He had this evidence 1470 01:00:01,557 --> 01:00:04,351 sitting in his office. - Almost as if he was, like, 1471 01:00:04,351 --> 01:00:07,145 proud of it. 1472 01:00:07,145 --> 01:00:10,232 He... [sighs]... 1473 01:00:10,232 --> 01:00:12,192 was just a bad guy. 1474 01:00:13,693 --> 01:00:16,613 [Terra] I thought, "This guy is a con artist. 1475 01:00:16,613 --> 01:00:19,699 I knew that he was in it for the money. 1476 01:00:19,699 --> 01:00:23,579 He was trying to take everything that she was worth. 1477 01:00:23,579 --> 01:00:26,164 - He did all kinds of reckless things 1478 01:00:26,164 --> 01:00:28,208 which really run counter to this image 1479 01:00:28,208 --> 01:00:29,751 of a master criminal. 1480 01:00:29,751 --> 01:00:33,004 My suspicion is that he liked playing the game. 1481 01:00:33,004 --> 01:00:34,423 There was some thrill in it. 1482 01:00:34,423 --> 01:00:38,176 There was some thrill in tempting fate. 1483 01:00:38,176 --> 01:00:40,596 - What I realized also is John had just gotten out 1484 01:00:40,596 --> 01:00:44,015 of jail like two days prior... 1485 01:00:44,015 --> 01:00:46,935 to me meeting him online. 1486 01:00:46,935 --> 01:00:50,063 Our first date, when John laid on my bed, he said, 1487 01:00:50,063 --> 01:00:52,316 "This feels so good." 1488 01:00:52,316 --> 01:00:55,402 In my eyes, I'm thinking, "It's just a bed." 1489 01:00:55,402 --> 01:00:58,155 And I don't think he had anywhere to go. 1490 01:00:58,155 --> 01:00:59,823 1491 01:00:59,823 --> 01:01:03,160 - John Meehan targeted these women deliberately. 1492 01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:05,078 He picked them out-- 1493 01:01:05,078 --> 01:01:07,122 there is no mistake about that-- 1494 01:01:07,122 --> 01:01:09,625 and he looked to exploit them 1495 01:01:09,625 --> 01:01:12,294 in every way possible. 1496 01:01:12,294 --> 01:01:14,254 - I highlighted names 1497 01:01:14,254 --> 01:01:16,256 of any arresting agency 1498 01:01:16,256 --> 01:01:19,551 or detectives that were involved in his case, 1499 01:01:19,551 --> 01:01:22,679 and I just call Denis Luken. 1500 01:01:22,679 --> 01:01:25,182 - I get a call from Jacquelyn and I'm thinking, 1501 01:01:25,182 --> 01:01:27,267 "This can't-- this can't be true. 1502 01:01:27,267 --> 01:01:28,644 "This can't be happening. 1503 01:01:28,644 --> 01:01:30,604 "What is it gonna take to stop this guy? 1504 01:01:30,604 --> 01:01:32,272 Here we go again." 1505 01:01:32,272 --> 01:01:35,275 So I kept telling them, "Please notify law enforcement. 1506 01:01:35,275 --> 01:01:37,068 Please communicate." 1507 01:01:37,068 --> 01:01:38,529 [Jacquelyn] He gave me a warning. 1508 01:01:38,529 --> 01:01:40,864 He told me to do everything in my willpower 1509 01:01:40,864 --> 01:01:42,782 to get my mom away from this man 1510 01:01:42,782 --> 01:01:45,202 because it was the worst thing that could possibly happen 1511 01:01:45,202 --> 01:01:47,204 to my family. 1512 01:01:47,204 --> 01:01:48,788 1513 01:01:48,788 --> 01:01:51,082 - Everything came to a head. 1514 01:01:51,082 --> 01:01:54,878 Between these papers... 1515 01:01:54,878 --> 01:01:58,590 the letter, his phone... Obviously, he was not 1516 01:01:58,590 --> 01:02:02,302 who I married whatsoever. 1517 01:02:05,347 --> 01:02:08,183 In fact, I don't know if any of it was the truth. 1518 01:02:08,183 --> 01:02:10,352 So at that point, I was scared. 1519 01:02:10,352 --> 01:02:12,937 [Jacquelyn] I was shocked, but more than anything 1520 01:02:12,937 --> 01:02:15,399 I was worried about her safety. 1521 01:02:15,399 --> 01:02:17,067 - I moved out of Balboa 1522 01:02:17,067 --> 01:02:19,027 very quickly. 1523 01:02:19,027 --> 01:02:22,030 I scrambled, grabbed all my stuff... 1524 01:02:22,030 --> 01:02:24,199 1525 01:02:24,199 --> 01:02:27,578 and moved away. 1526 01:02:30,622 --> 01:02:32,874 [Debra] Everything came to a head. 1527 01:02:32,874 --> 01:02:35,711 John was not who I married whatsoever. 1528 01:02:35,711 --> 01:02:38,755 I scrambled, grabbed all my stuff, 1529 01:02:38,755 --> 01:02:41,633 and moved away. 1530 01:02:41,633 --> 01:02:43,134 1531 01:02:43,134 --> 01:02:45,429 I realize I need to end this marriage, 1532 01:02:45,429 --> 01:02:47,598 so I get this lawyer, um, 1533 01:02:47,598 --> 01:02:49,307 to be able to fi-- 1534 01:02:49,307 --> 01:02:51,435 file an annulment. 1535 01:02:51,435 --> 01:02:54,271 We decide that he's dangerous, 1536 01:02:54,271 --> 01:02:57,357 and we also change my will... 1537 01:02:57,357 --> 01:03:00,277 and make sure that he knows that my kids 1538 01:03:00,277 --> 01:03:02,404 are getting my money. 1539 01:03:02,404 --> 01:03:03,863 1540 01:03:03,863 --> 01:03:06,533 I was worried that John was gonna kill me 1541 01:03:06,533 --> 01:03:09,286 to try to get the money, 'cause I had married him. 1542 01:03:09,286 --> 01:03:12,623 [Goffard] John is in the hospital 1543 01:03:09,286 --> 01:03:12,623 at this point 1544 01:03:12,623 --> 01:03:14,750 and he becomes a-- a totally different person. 1545 01:03:14,750 --> 01:03:17,210 He becomes extremely menacing, 1546 01:03:17,210 --> 01:03:19,546 begins insulting her via text and email. 1547 01:03:19,546 --> 01:03:22,299 She sees a side of him that I don't think 1548 01:03:22,299 --> 01:03:24,008 she had glimpsed before. 1549 01:03:24,008 --> 01:03:28,472 [Debra] John sent nasty text messages to me. 1550 01:03:28,472 --> 01:03:31,808 That I'm a liar, that he'll get even. 1551 01:03:31,808 --> 01:03:34,018 That I stole his money. 1552 01:03:34,018 --> 01:03:36,396 He was turning things around 1553 01:03:36,396 --> 01:03:38,898 and making it look like I was the bad guy 1554 01:03:38,898 --> 01:03:41,735 and he was the good guy. 1555 01:03:41,735 --> 01:03:44,655 John went from this extremely loving, 1556 01:03:44,655 --> 01:03:46,364 wonderful man 1557 01:03:46,364 --> 01:03:49,576 to a complete-- 1558 01:03:49,576 --> 01:03:50,786 I'm gonna say this, 1559 01:03:50,786 --> 01:03:53,371 but he came off evil. 1560 01:03:53,371 --> 01:03:56,541 [Jacquelyn] It was a message to my mom 1561 01:03:56,541 --> 01:03:58,502 that he was not messing around. 1562 01:03:58,502 --> 01:04:01,546 I knew that message a long time before he needed to send it. 1563 01:04:01,546 --> 01:04:03,548 I was in shock. 1564 01:04:03,548 --> 01:04:06,635 I--I just couldn't believe what was happening. 1565 01:04:06,635 --> 01:04:08,762 [Richards] Psychopaths and narcissists 1566 01:04:08,762 --> 01:04:11,431 have this understanding 1567 01:04:11,431 --> 01:04:14,476 that you either dominate or be dominated. 1568 01:04:14,476 --> 01:04:16,687 If you challenge them or their sense of self, 1569 01:04:16,687 --> 01:04:19,022 or this image that they're projecting, 1570 01:04:19,022 --> 01:04:20,565 they will go after you. 1571 01:04:20,565 --> 01:04:23,610 They will take revenge, and they will do it 1572 01:04:23,610 --> 01:04:26,530 in the unholiest of ways. 1573 01:04:26,530 --> 01:04:28,532 [Debra] I met with a private investigator 1574 01:04:28,532 --> 01:04:31,451 and he said, "You have to think... 1575 01:04:31,451 --> 01:04:32,994 like they think." 1576 01:04:32,994 --> 01:04:36,164 He said, "Always face the door. 1577 01:04:36,164 --> 01:04:39,501 "Anywhere you go, be aware of your surroundings. 1578 01:04:39,501 --> 01:04:41,461 "Someone might be following you. 1579 01:04:41,461 --> 01:04:44,881 "When you park, park in the--the light, 1580 01:04:44,881 --> 01:04:47,258 "and think of the world... 1581 01:04:47,258 --> 01:04:49,553 "as... 1582 01:04:49,553 --> 01:04:52,430 everyone's suspicious." 1583 01:04:52,430 --> 01:04:54,641 I couldn't go to the office. 1584 01:04:54,641 --> 01:04:57,185 I would actually stay at a hotel, 1585 01:04:57,185 --> 01:04:59,896 different hotels near my office, 1586 01:04:59,896 --> 01:05:02,190 and have my assistant-- 1587 01:05:02,190 --> 01:05:04,150 make sure nobody was following her-- 1588 01:05:04,150 --> 01:05:05,985 meet me. 1589 01:05:05,985 --> 01:05:09,740 One thing that I had to do was disguise myself, 1590 01:05:09,740 --> 01:05:12,701 and they said, "Don't be conspicuous." 1591 01:05:12,701 --> 01:05:14,870 I had to get a dark wig. 1592 01:05:14,870 --> 01:05:17,414 I had to get plain clothes. 1593 01:05:17,414 --> 01:05:19,040 You don't want to be noticed. 1594 01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:20,876 You have to blend in with the crowd. 1595 01:05:20,876 --> 01:05:22,419 That was something that I had to do. 1596 01:05:22,419 --> 01:05:25,255 I put on this long black wig, 1597 01:05:25,255 --> 01:05:27,507 changed my makeup up. 1598 01:05:27,507 --> 01:05:30,594 Just--my life changed at that point. 1599 01:05:30,594 --> 01:05:33,304 - I had thought, "My mom's life is in danger." 1600 01:05:33,304 --> 01:05:35,724 At this point I knew 1601 01:05:35,724 --> 01:05:38,769 that one of us was gonna end up dead, 1602 01:05:38,769 --> 01:05:42,564 and that he was just a dangerous person. 1603 01:05:42,564 --> 01:05:44,733 [Debra] One of the things 1604 01:05:44,733 --> 01:05:46,526 that I read 1605 01:05:46,526 --> 01:05:48,403 was that John had hired a hitman 1606 01:05:48,403 --> 01:05:50,864 to kill an investigator, so I'm thinking, 1607 01:05:50,864 --> 01:05:52,699 "Who knows who he knows out there 1608 01:05:52,699 --> 01:05:54,743 that could be doing his dirty work for him?" 1609 01:05:54,743 --> 01:05:57,995 I didn't know when he was getting out 1610 01:05:54,743 --> 01:05:57,995 of the hospital. 1611 01:05:57,995 --> 01:06:00,916 I was looking over my shoulder constantly. 1612 01:06:00,916 --> 01:06:03,460 [sinister music] 1613 01:06:03,460 --> 01:06:06,003 [Debra] 23 days had passed 1614 01:06:06,003 --> 01:06:09,382 and I think I had lost, like, 12 pounds. 1615 01:06:09,382 --> 01:06:10,926 Couldn't eat, couldn't sleep. 1616 01:06:10,926 --> 01:06:14,137 All of a sudden John calls me. 1617 01:06:15,388 --> 01:06:18,308 His whole tone changes, 1618 01:06:18,308 --> 01:06:20,894 and he says, "I need you. 1619 01:06:20,894 --> 01:06:23,939 "I can explain everything. 1620 01:06:23,939 --> 01:06:26,441 "I can promise you... 1621 01:06:26,441 --> 01:06:29,277 "that these accusations are not me. 1622 01:06:29,277 --> 01:06:31,571 "Yes, I was--I did go to jail, 1623 01:06:31,571 --> 01:06:33,490 but I was framed." 1624 01:06:33,490 --> 01:06:35,617 He goes, "I couldn't bear telling you. 1625 01:06:35,617 --> 01:06:37,243 "I was so in love with you. 1626 01:06:37,243 --> 01:06:39,746 I thought you wouldn't date me if you knew that." 1627 01:06:39,746 --> 01:06:41,915 What he told me about the awful texts 1628 01:06:41,915 --> 01:06:44,584 that he had sent me was that he was drugged. 1629 01:06:44,584 --> 01:06:46,586 He had so many drugs in his system 1630 01:06:46,586 --> 01:06:48,463 he was out of his mind. 1631 01:06:48,463 --> 01:06:50,131 He said, "I have no one, 1632 01:06:50,131 --> 01:06:52,175 "and I have MS. 1633 01:06:52,175 --> 01:06:55,011 And I have nowhere to go." 1634 01:06:55,011 --> 01:06:57,931 I went to the hospital to look him in the eye, 1635 01:06:57,931 --> 01:06:59,390 to say, "Why? 1636 01:06:59,390 --> 01:07:01,142 "Why did you do this? 1637 01:07:01,142 --> 01:07:03,520 "Why were you so dishonest with me? 1638 01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:05,772 Is this all a lie?" And I walked into his room 1639 01:07:08,024 --> 01:07:10,944 and he cried and he cried 1640 01:07:10,944 --> 01:07:12,946 and cried and kept saying, 1641 01:07:12,946 --> 01:07:14,906 "Please forgive me. 1642 01:07:14,906 --> 01:07:16,366 "I am so sorry. 1643 01:07:16,366 --> 01:07:19,076 You don't know how much I love you." 1644 01:07:19,076 --> 01:07:23,498 And I started feeling sorry for him. 1645 01:07:23,498 --> 01:07:26,584 The one thing that he kept telling me was, 1646 01:07:26,584 --> 01:07:28,920 "Don't give up on me. 1647 01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:31,756 I am the best thing that's ever happened to you." 1648 01:07:31,756 --> 01:07:34,968 And he says, "I promise you, 1649 01:07:34,968 --> 01:07:38,095 "I will get a lawyer and prove to you 1650 01:07:38,095 --> 01:07:40,515 that I didn't do any of these things." 1651 01:07:40,515 --> 01:07:44,101 And I thought, "If this man has been framed 1652 01:07:44,101 --> 01:07:49,440 "and if all these other aliases or whatever are not him, 1653 01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:51,943 how can I just leave him like this?" 1654 01:07:51,943 --> 01:07:54,070 I was the only one that was gonna be willing 1655 01:07:54,070 --> 01:07:56,531 to give him a second chance. 1656 01:07:56,531 --> 01:07:58,700 - For Debra, she understood 1657 01:07:58,700 --> 01:08:01,578 that 95% of what his behavior was 1658 01:08:01,578 --> 01:08:03,830 was bad, but there was this 5% 1659 01:08:03,830 --> 01:08:07,500 that he could bargain and get leverage on. 1660 01:08:07,500 --> 01:08:10,086 And we have to remember that it takes, on average, 1661 01:08:10,086 --> 01:08:12,171 a woman seven times 1662 01:08:12,171 --> 01:08:14,382 to leave their abuser. 1663 01:08:14,382 --> 01:08:16,217 - You don't fall right out of love 1664 01:08:16,217 --> 01:08:18,135 when you have fallen in love. 1665 01:08:18,135 --> 01:08:20,013 It's not quite that easy. 1666 01:08:20,013 --> 01:08:21,639 [tense music] 1667 01:08:21,639 --> 01:08:24,100 On one hand I'm in love with this man 1668 01:08:24,100 --> 01:08:26,811 and he's got a answer for everything. 1669 01:08:26,811 --> 01:08:29,480 On the other hand, there's evidence. 1670 01:08:29,480 --> 01:08:32,191 It's like, here's the head 1671 01:08:32,191 --> 01:08:34,027 and here's the heart, 1672 01:08:34,027 --> 01:08:37,154 and they don't work together very well. 1673 01:08:37,154 --> 01:08:39,991 [Goffard] Eventually he is able to convince her 1674 01:08:39,991 --> 01:08:42,077 that his accusers are liars, 1675 01:08:42,077 --> 01:08:44,579 that in some cases the name 1676 01:08:44,579 --> 01:08:46,664 on the paperwork is a different John Meehan. 1677 01:08:46,664 --> 01:08:48,750 And he tells her that, uh, 1678 01:08:48,750 --> 01:08:52,128 if she'll just give him some time he can prove to her 1679 01:08:52,128 --> 01:08:54,756 that he's been set up in case after case. 1680 01:08:54,756 --> 01:08:56,007 1681 01:08:56,007 --> 01:08:58,969 - I got back with John... 1682 01:08:58,969 --> 01:09:00,845 and I really... 1683 01:09:00,845 --> 01:09:03,598 didn't want anyone to know about it. 1684 01:09:05,809 --> 01:09:07,936 It was bad. 1685 01:09:07,936 --> 01:09:10,187 [Jacquelyn] I could tell that she got back together with John 1686 01:09:10,187 --> 01:09:11,982 because she stopped telling the family 1687 01:09:11,982 --> 01:09:13,483 her whereabouts. 1688 01:09:13,483 --> 01:09:16,277 I hated John so much. 1689 01:09:16,277 --> 01:09:18,362 I knew he was trying to hurt my mom, 1690 01:09:18,362 --> 01:09:20,531 hurt my family. 1691 01:09:20,531 --> 01:09:22,575 [Debra] When I went back with John, 1692 01:09:22,575 --> 01:09:24,786 things were progressively getting worse. 1693 01:09:24,786 --> 01:09:27,038 John was trying to isolate me again. 1694 01:09:27,038 --> 01:09:28,581 1695 01:09:28,581 --> 01:09:31,167 One person he despised was Jacquelyn. 1696 01:09:31,167 --> 01:09:34,504 He saw me as a threat and I saw him as a threat. 1697 01:09:34,504 --> 01:09:37,715 - He told me that if I went and I talked to her 1698 01:09:37,715 --> 01:09:40,844 he would make sure she was thrown in the ocean 1699 01:09:40,844 --> 01:09:42,804 and never come out. 1700 01:09:42,804 --> 01:09:44,305 1701 01:09:44,305 --> 01:09:45,974 [Jacquelyn] I was scared. 1702 01:09:45,974 --> 01:09:49,477 I knew it would all come down to him going crazy. 1703 01:09:49,477 --> 01:09:52,730 I thought, "Oh, my gosh. 1704 01:09:52,730 --> 01:09:54,231 "I've gotta get away from this guy. 1705 01:09:54,231 --> 01:09:56,693 That's the straw." 1706 01:09:56,693 --> 01:09:59,403 But I couldn't just walk away. 1707 01:09:59,403 --> 01:10:02,615 In my eyes, I figured he was too dangerous. 1708 01:10:02,615 --> 01:10:03,908 1709 01:10:03,908 --> 01:10:06,077 I was trying to plan my exit. 1710 01:10:06,077 --> 01:10:09,622 One of the things that I did was I bought a home in Vegas. 1711 01:10:09,622 --> 01:10:12,917 And it wasn't done, 1712 01:10:12,917 --> 01:10:16,004 and so I told John, "Why don't you stay out here 1713 01:10:16,004 --> 01:10:19,174 "and get the house in working order? 1714 01:10:19,174 --> 01:10:21,634 "And in the meantime, I've gotta work 1715 01:10:21,634 --> 01:10:24,888 and I've gotta travel, but I really need you there." 1716 01:10:24,888 --> 01:10:27,724 So I was able to get my freedom. 1717 01:10:27,724 --> 01:10:30,518 [Richards] The point of separation 1718 01:10:27,724 --> 01:10:30,518 when there has been abuse, 1719 01:10:30,518 --> 01:10:32,645 it correlates highly with murder, 1720 01:10:32,645 --> 01:10:36,066 so the time someone leaves is the highest-risk time. 1721 01:10:36,066 --> 01:10:39,027 Debra understood that, and we need to know 1722 01:10:39,027 --> 01:10:42,113 and understand that victims are the best assessors 1723 01:10:42,113 --> 01:10:44,240 of their own risk. 1724 01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:47,284 - John came home from Vegas. 1725 01:10:47,284 --> 01:10:50,329 I had been hiding money because I felt as though-- 1726 01:10:50,329 --> 01:10:52,082 number one, it's mine, 1727 01:10:52,082 --> 01:10:54,625 but secondly... 1728 01:10:54,625 --> 01:10:58,046 if he had money... 1729 01:10:58,046 --> 01:11:00,006 he would have more choices. 1730 01:11:00,006 --> 01:11:03,551 My thoughts were, if I can cut him off, 1731 01:11:03,551 --> 01:11:05,720 then he's gonna have a hard time 1732 01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:09,682 hiring people and staking out. 1733 01:11:09,682 --> 01:11:12,060 What happened was he pulled out the cash, 1734 01:11:12,060 --> 01:11:15,730 came in, said "What's this?" 1735 01:11:15,730 --> 01:11:17,941 And he says, "What are you doing?" 1736 01:11:17,941 --> 01:11:21,652 And I looked at him and I said, "It's my money." 1737 01:11:21,652 --> 01:11:23,821 1738 01:11:23,821 --> 01:11:26,741 And he says, "Technically it's both of our money." 1739 01:11:26,741 --> 01:11:28,743 And started bullying me. 1740 01:11:28,743 --> 01:11:30,327 And he says, "I want you to hit me. 1741 01:11:30,327 --> 01:11:32,663 I want you to hit me." 1742 01:11:34,165 --> 01:11:36,209 He goes, "If you hit me, 1743 01:11:36,209 --> 01:11:38,795 you will never get up again." 1744 01:11:38,795 --> 01:11:40,171 1745 01:11:43,716 --> 01:11:45,635 - I had been hiding money. 1746 01:11:45,635 --> 01:11:49,346 Hid it in a bottom drawer in my closet. 1747 01:11:49,346 --> 01:11:51,015 He pulled out the cash. 1748 01:11:51,015 --> 01:11:54,144 He said, "Why are you hiding money?" 1749 01:11:54,144 --> 01:11:57,272 [tense music] 1750 01:11:57,272 --> 01:12:00,357 And I said, "Because I'm leaving you." 1751 01:12:00,357 --> 01:12:02,902 1752 01:12:02,902 --> 01:12:05,362 I grabbed the suitcase... 1753 01:12:07,157 --> 01:12:09,867 took off, drove to Jacquelyn's, 1754 01:12:09,867 --> 01:12:11,244 and we got in the car 1755 01:12:11,244 --> 01:12:14,205 and we went to Vegas to get anything we could 1756 01:12:14,205 --> 01:12:16,332 out of the house that was mine. 1757 01:12:16,332 --> 01:12:18,084 1758 01:12:18,084 --> 01:12:20,086 - The whole way to Vegas she was getting 1759 01:12:20,086 --> 01:12:23,047 threatening text messages from him. 1760 01:12:23,047 --> 01:12:25,175 He was going crazy. 1761 01:12:28,344 --> 01:12:30,847 It was a downward spiral 1762 01:12:30,847 --> 01:12:34,225 of him just kind of losing control. 1763 01:12:34,225 --> 01:12:37,895 [Jacquelyn, on recording] Truck's full. We're [bleep]. 1764 01:12:37,895 --> 01:12:39,981 We left John all his [bleep]. 1765 01:12:39,981 --> 01:12:41,732 And you need all-- 1766 01:12:41,732 --> 01:12:43,151 all your stuff. 1767 01:12:43,151 --> 01:12:45,569 I know your watches are in here, John. 1768 01:12:45,569 --> 01:12:47,030 Don't worry. 1769 01:12:49,199 --> 01:12:52,243 Okay, I have a video of everything. 1770 01:12:52,243 --> 01:12:55,079 - They got all of my mom's things out 1771 01:12:55,079 --> 01:12:58,499 of the house and videotaped it all 1772 01:12:58,499 --> 01:13:01,044 so that he couldn't turn it around on them. 1773 01:13:01,044 --> 01:13:04,005 [Jacquelyn] You have your keys, you have your phone? 1774 01:13:04,005 --> 01:13:05,965 [Debra] Got my phone. 1775 01:13:05,965 --> 01:13:09,219 - I have everything. Let's go. Yeah. 1776 01:13:11,054 --> 01:13:13,223 [Goffard] Debra and Jacquelyn clear out the house 1777 01:13:13,223 --> 01:13:14,891 in Henderson, Nevada. 1778 01:13:14,891 --> 01:13:18,311 John is sending her a series of, uh, menacing texts, 1779 01:13:18,311 --> 01:13:20,104 um, and taunting texts. 1780 01:13:20,104 --> 01:13:23,024 What he wants is half of all of her stuff. 1781 01:13:23,024 --> 01:13:26,944 - Some of the text messages that he was sending me were, 1782 01:13:26,944 --> 01:13:29,989 "Watch out. "I will destroy you. 1783 01:13:29,989 --> 01:13:31,490 "I will destroy your family. 1784 01:13:31,490 --> 01:13:33,159 This is bigger than you." 1785 01:13:33,159 --> 01:13:36,037 So things are escalating to the point 1786 01:13:36,037 --> 01:13:39,123 where I had one of my cars parked 1787 01:13:39,123 --> 01:13:41,876 at my business even though I wasn't going in. 1788 01:13:41,876 --> 01:13:44,170 He got into my car, started it, 1789 01:13:44,170 --> 01:13:45,713 and set it on fire. 1790 01:13:45,713 --> 01:13:48,674 [dramatic music] 1791 01:13:48,674 --> 01:13:52,262 When John burned my car up, the private investigator said, 1792 01:13:52,262 --> 01:13:53,930 "This is getting serious" 1793 01:13:53,930 --> 01:13:56,891 and he thought about me getting a bodyguard. 1794 01:13:56,891 --> 01:13:59,102 I didn't. 1795 01:13:59,102 --> 01:14:02,355 I thought I'd just have to be extremely careful. 1796 01:14:02,355 --> 01:14:04,440 [Goffard] John Meehan was spiraling. 1797 01:14:04,440 --> 01:14:06,609 He was a serious drug addict. 1798 01:14:06,609 --> 01:14:09,028 He had lost a lot of weight. 1799 01:14:09,028 --> 01:14:12,073 He was a different John Meehan. 1800 01:14:12,073 --> 01:14:15,701 He wanted Debra Newell to know what he was capable of and, 1801 01:14:15,701 --> 01:14:18,621 "You'd better play along or this is what awaits you." 1802 01:14:18,621 --> 01:14:21,874 - I went to four police stations 1803 01:14:21,874 --> 01:14:24,168 and I said, "Help me. 1804 01:14:24,168 --> 01:14:27,297 "This man is a bad man. 1805 01:14:27,297 --> 01:14:29,132 "I'm in fear of my life. 1806 01:14:29,132 --> 01:14:30,674 I don't know what to do." 1807 01:14:30,674 --> 01:14:33,052 They said, "There's nothing we can do. 1808 01:14:33,052 --> 01:14:35,179 You don't have a mark on you." 1809 01:14:35,179 --> 01:14:38,224 And some of them were annoyed with me. 1810 01:14:38,224 --> 01:14:41,227 - These predatory individuals are allowed 1811 01:14:41,227 --> 01:14:43,729 to get away with it, and it gets worse. 1812 01:14:43,729 --> 01:14:47,066 It increases, it escalates, and then serious harm 1813 01:14:47,066 --> 01:14:48,985 and murder happen. 1814 01:14:48,985 --> 01:14:50,569 [suspenseful music] 1815 01:14:50,569 --> 01:14:53,572 [Jacquelyn] I got home, there was a silver car 1816 01:14:53,572 --> 01:14:57,201 sitting in the front of the parking lot. 1817 01:14:57,201 --> 01:14:59,662 John looked up. 1818 01:14:59,662 --> 01:15:02,290 I saw his face from the light of his phone. 1819 01:15:02,290 --> 01:15:05,251 He was pretty startled to see me. 1820 01:15:05,251 --> 01:15:07,337 1821 01:15:07,337 --> 01:15:11,090 Jacquelyn comes running through the door that evening 1822 01:15:11,090 --> 01:15:13,926 and she says, "Mom, Mom!" John's outside!" 1823 01:15:16,095 --> 01:15:17,347 I said, "What?!" 1824 01:15:17,347 --> 01:15:19,223 She goes, "No, I know it's him. 1825 01:15:19,223 --> 01:15:20,766 John was outside." 1826 01:15:20,766 --> 01:15:22,852 I'm like, "No, John can't be here." 1827 01:15:22,852 --> 01:15:24,603 He--how would he get here?" 1828 01:15:24,603 --> 01:15:27,315 [Jacquelyn] He came there to do something bad. 1829 01:15:27,315 --> 01:15:28,607 He had lost all control. 1830 01:15:28,607 --> 01:15:31,361 He didn't have his car anymore-- 1831 01:15:31,361 --> 01:15:33,154 this was a rental car. 1832 01:15:33,154 --> 01:15:35,572 He had come all the way from Las Vegas for a reason. 1833 01:15:35,572 --> 01:15:38,242 [Richards] He felt that Debra was winning, 1834 01:15:38,242 --> 01:15:39,660 and how dare she? 1835 01:15:39,660 --> 01:15:42,788 How dare she take the control away from him? 1836 01:15:42,788 --> 01:15:45,166 And it becomes this cat-and-mouse situation 1837 01:15:45,166 --> 01:15:47,460 that at all costs, he's gonna burn 1838 01:15:47,460 --> 01:15:50,046 and scorch the earth to make her pay. 1839 01:15:50,046 --> 01:15:52,589 And her Achilles' heel are her children. 1840 01:15:52,589 --> 01:15:54,467 And that's who he goes after. 1841 01:15:56,593 --> 01:16:00,181 [Debra] He's a psychopath. 1842 01:16:00,181 --> 01:16:03,100 He is going to turn on you and destroy your life. 1843 01:16:04,394 --> 01:16:06,229 [Terra] Jacquelyn called me. 1844 01:16:06,229 --> 01:16:09,190 She told me that she saw John at her apartment, 1845 01:16:09,190 --> 01:16:11,650 that he was in a silver car, 1846 01:16:11,650 --> 01:16:13,819 and to keep a lookout for it. 1847 01:16:13,819 --> 01:16:15,696 1848 01:16:15,696 --> 01:16:19,283 - I thought that he was going to come after either my sister 1849 01:16:19,283 --> 01:16:20,659 or myself. 1850 01:16:20,659 --> 01:16:24,163 I thought myself because he disliked me more 1851 01:16:24,163 --> 01:16:26,249 than anybody else in the family. 1852 01:16:26,249 --> 01:16:28,251 1853 01:16:28,251 --> 01:16:31,837 - On August 20th I went to work that day. 1854 01:16:31,837 --> 01:16:35,425 I get there around 7:00 a.m. in the morning 1855 01:16:35,425 --> 01:16:38,094 and I work till 1:00. 1856 01:16:38,094 --> 01:16:40,804 Then I went home. 1857 01:16:40,804 --> 01:16:43,307 When I pulled into the parking garage, 1858 01:16:43,307 --> 01:16:46,143 I looked over and this car 1859 01:16:46,143 --> 01:16:48,521 was backed up into a space. 1860 01:16:48,521 --> 01:16:51,941 I saw this guy with a tire iron. 1861 01:16:53,734 --> 01:16:56,737 I get out of my car, I walk around, 1862 01:16:56,737 --> 01:16:59,574 and this guy grabbed me by the waist. 1863 01:17:01,825 --> 01:17:05,121 He looked me in the eyes and said, "Do you remember me?" 1864 01:17:05,121 --> 01:17:07,623 1865 01:17:07,623 --> 01:17:09,208 It was John. 1866 01:17:11,085 --> 01:17:12,545 I knew I was in trouble. 1867 01:17:12,545 --> 01:17:15,381 I knew he was gonna try to kill me. 1868 01:17:15,381 --> 01:17:18,426 He was trying to push me towards his car. 1869 01:17:18,426 --> 01:17:20,386 His trunk is open. 1870 01:17:20,386 --> 01:17:22,179 [woman screaming] 1871 01:17:22,179 --> 01:17:24,307 - I saw man holding a knife 1872 01:17:24,307 --> 01:17:26,601 - and a woman screaming. - [screaming] 1873 01:17:26,601 --> 01:17:28,727 - He was trying to grab my mouth 1874 01:17:28,727 --> 01:17:30,480 to stop me from screaming. 1875 01:17:30,480 --> 01:17:33,608 I'm screaming, asking-- like, yelling for help. 1876 01:17:33,608 --> 01:17:35,692 [Skylar] He was raising a knife, 1877 01:17:35,692 --> 01:17:37,027 bringing it down over and over. 1878 01:17:37,027 --> 01:17:39,489 I bite him as hard as I can. 1879 01:17:39,489 --> 01:17:41,907 I'm kicking, I'm fighting. 1880 01:17:41,907 --> 01:17:44,368 I told my mom to call 911 and tell them that somebody 1881 01:17:44,368 --> 01:17:47,246 - was being stabbed. - [woman] Newport Beach 911. 1882 01:17:47,246 --> 01:17:49,332 [Skylar] There's a man up here with a knife 1883 01:17:49,332 --> 01:17:51,708 - and a girl screaming. - I was already rushing out 1884 01:17:51,708 --> 01:17:54,420 the door to go help her. 1885 01:17:54,420 --> 01:17:57,423 - I got pushed down onto the ground 1886 01:17:57,423 --> 01:17:59,383 as he is on his knees 1887 01:17:59,383 --> 01:18:01,385 just trying to stab me. 1888 01:18:01,385 --> 01:18:04,597 He dropped the knife and it landed 1889 01:18:04,597 --> 01:18:08,058 exactly right next to me on my right-hand side. 1890 01:18:08,058 --> 01:18:10,936 I didn't even give it a second thought. 1891 01:18:10,936 --> 01:18:14,731 Picked up the knife, and I started wailing 1892 01:18:10,936 --> 01:18:14,731 back on him. 1893 01:18:18,194 --> 01:18:21,030 - I got pushed down onto the ground 1894 01:18:21,030 --> 01:18:23,115 as he is on his knees 1895 01:18:23,115 --> 01:18:25,242 just trying to stab me. 1896 01:18:25,242 --> 01:18:28,204 He dropped the knife and it landed 1897 01:18:28,204 --> 01:18:31,707 exactly right next to me on my right-hand side. 1898 01:18:31,707 --> 01:18:34,210 I didn't even give it a second thought. 1899 01:18:34,210 --> 01:18:38,005 Picked up the knife, and I started wailing 1900 01:18:34,210 --> 01:18:38,005 back on him. 1901 01:18:41,634 --> 01:18:44,512 - I know it's either him or me. 1902 01:18:44,512 --> 01:18:46,930 I'm stabbing him with all my might. 1903 01:18:46,930 --> 01:18:49,642 I was fighting for my life. 1904 01:18:49,642 --> 01:18:52,769 He begins falling on top of me, 1905 01:18:52,769 --> 01:18:54,271 and he gasped. 1906 01:18:54,271 --> 01:18:56,440 I stabbed him once, 1907 01:18:56,440 --> 01:18:57,774 like, right here, 1908 01:18:57,774 --> 01:19:00,819 and then I stabbed him in the eye. 1909 01:19:00,819 --> 01:19:02,988 I just start screaming. 1910 01:19:02,988 --> 01:19:04,990 [woman screaming] 1911 01:19:04,990 --> 01:19:07,826 I saw John, like, laying face-down 1912 01:19:07,826 --> 01:19:09,370 after she had stabbed him, 1913 01:19:09,370 --> 01:19:11,997 just in shock, like, having a seizure. 1914 01:19:11,997 --> 01:19:15,292 [dark music] 1915 01:19:15,292 --> 01:19:18,295 And that picture's just always gonna be in my mind. 1916 01:19:18,295 --> 01:19:21,006 [Skylar] Hi, I need a ambulance right away and the police. 1917 01:19:21,006 --> 01:19:23,426 - What address? - Um, someone's been stabbed 1918 01:19:23,426 --> 01:19:24,927 and he attacked a girl. 1919 01:19:24,927 --> 01:19:27,304 It's a girl and her dog and then a guy... 1920 01:19:27,304 --> 01:19:28,723 is on the ground. 1921 01:19:28,723 --> 01:19:30,849 Um, I'm not really sure what happened, 1922 01:19:30,849 --> 01:19:33,394 - we just heard her screaming. - Do you see blood? 1923 01:19:33,394 --> 01:19:35,229 - Yes. 1924 01:19:35,229 --> 01:19:37,398 [sirens wailing] 1925 01:19:37,398 --> 01:19:39,066 [man] Hold on, somebody-- 1926 01:19:42,612 --> 01:19:44,655 [Skylar] Terra was in hysterics during this. 1927 01:19:44,655 --> 01:19:47,617 She was just screaming and crying 1928 01:19:47,617 --> 01:19:50,202 and just shrieking all about how much, like, 1929 01:19:50,202 --> 01:19:51,579 she knew it was gonna happen 1930 01:19:51,579 --> 01:19:53,789 and how she knew she was in danger with him. 1931 01:19:53,789 --> 01:19:57,084 [cop] Come over here and get started on you, OK? 1932 01:19:57,084 --> 01:19:58,835 [radio chatter] 1933 01:19:58,835 --> 01:20:01,171 Come down here. - [Terra sobbing] 1934 01:20:01,171 --> 01:20:03,382 And I told her, "I just need to get away from him. 1935 01:20:03,382 --> 01:20:05,801 He's gonna get up and hurt me." 1936 01:20:05,801 --> 01:20:07,844 [Terra] I need to get away from him! [sobbing] 1937 01:20:07,844 --> 01:20:10,806 - [cop] What's goin' on-- - I know he was gonna kill me. 1938 01:20:10,806 --> 01:20:13,809 [Debra] It's about 5:25, 1939 01:20:13,809 --> 01:20:16,479 and I get this call. 1940 01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:20,065 And it's Terra screaming, "Mom, I killed your husband! 1941 01:20:20,065 --> 01:20:21,692 I killed your husband!" 1942 01:20:21,692 --> 01:20:24,278 I'm like, "What? Where are you?" 1943 01:20:24,278 --> 01:20:27,156 And all I remember is getting in my car 1944 01:20:27,156 --> 01:20:29,742 and I made it to the scene. 1945 01:20:29,742 --> 01:20:31,661 And I couldn't get to my daughter. 1946 01:20:31,661 --> 01:20:33,287 - [Debra] Terra! - [cop] Do you know her? 1947 01:20:33,287 --> 01:20:35,247 - She's my daughter! - Okay, just hold on. 1948 01:20:35,247 --> 01:20:37,082 Hold on. She's gonna--she's gonna get 1949 01:20:37,082 --> 01:20:39,585 - some medical treatment, okay? - I felt like... 1950 01:20:39,585 --> 01:20:42,129 [choking up] I caused this. 1951 01:20:42,129 --> 01:20:44,340 This is the last thing I ever wanted to happen. 1952 01:20:44,340 --> 01:20:46,049 [somber, tense music] 1953 01:20:46,049 --> 01:20:48,761 I had to stay behind the yellow line 1954 01:20:48,761 --> 01:20:51,681 and I'm thinking, "This is when she needs me more than ever." 1955 01:20:51,681 --> 01:20:54,224 [Debra] Do you think she killed him? 1956 01:20:51,681 --> 01:20:54,224 I don't know. I don't know. 1957 01:20:54,224 --> 01:20:55,559 I was across the street 1958 01:20:55,559 --> 01:20:57,394 from her house at the grocery store, 1959 01:20:57,394 --> 01:20:59,647 and I think I dropped everything in my hand. 1960 01:20:59,647 --> 01:21:01,691 And I just ran out the front door. 1961 01:21:01,691 --> 01:21:03,359 [sirens wailing] 1962 01:21:03,359 --> 01:21:05,778 One ambulance was going one way, 1963 01:21:05,778 --> 01:21:08,364 the other ambulance was going another way, 1964 01:21:08,364 --> 01:21:10,991 and I did not know which one to follow. 1965 01:21:13,661 --> 01:21:15,579 [Terra] When I was in the hospital 1966 01:21:15,579 --> 01:21:18,791 I was getting questions for hours and hours. 1967 01:21:20,209 --> 01:21:22,670 I just wanted to see my mom. 1968 01:21:22,670 --> 01:21:26,215 [Debra] So she sat in that bed and they wouldn't 1969 01:21:26,215 --> 01:21:28,592 let me see her because it was a crime. 1970 01:21:28,592 --> 01:21:31,053 And it wasn't until 10:30 at night 1971 01:21:31,053 --> 01:21:33,263 that I finally got to see her. 1972 01:21:33,263 --> 01:21:36,892 It was... very hard. 1973 01:21:38,894 --> 01:21:41,188 So there was hearsay that John 1974 01:21:41,188 --> 01:21:44,441 is on life support, but they needed 1975 01:21:44,441 --> 01:21:47,570 for me to go and identify him. 1976 01:21:47,570 --> 01:21:50,781 It just felt so... 1977 01:21:50,781 --> 01:21:52,658 surreal. 1978 01:21:54,535 --> 01:21:57,747 [monitor beeping] 1979 01:22:02,501 --> 01:22:05,087 [Debra] I saw John on life support. 1980 01:22:05,087 --> 01:22:07,005 There's so much that goes through you. 1981 01:22:07,005 --> 01:22:09,884 Anger, you know... 1982 01:22:09,884 --> 01:22:12,928 [sighs] But how could you do this? 1983 01:22:12,928 --> 01:22:14,221 Why? 1984 01:22:14,221 --> 01:22:16,432 Why would you do this 1985 01:22:16,432 --> 01:22:19,226 to my--to my daughter, to my flesh and blood? 1986 01:22:19,226 --> 01:22:21,812 And I just thought, "He's that evil. 1987 01:22:21,812 --> 01:22:24,231 He's that bad." 1988 01:22:24,231 --> 01:22:26,191 - I was at work the day I was notified 1989 01:22:26,191 --> 01:22:29,027 that, um, he was on life support. 1990 01:22:29,027 --> 01:22:32,448 Debra had already turned over legal rights for his sisters 1991 01:22:32,448 --> 01:22:33,824 to pull the plug on John. 1992 01:22:33,824 --> 01:22:36,076 John is stabbed on August 20th, 1993 01:22:36,076 --> 01:22:38,537 and, uh, four days later on August 24th 1994 01:22:38,537 --> 01:22:40,790 he's taken off life support. 1995 01:22:40,790 --> 01:22:44,000 The coroner's report says there are 13 stab wounds, uh, 1996 01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:46,086 to his body, uh, the fatal one 1997 01:22:46,086 --> 01:22:48,714 through his eye and into his brain. 1998 01:22:50,132 --> 01:22:51,926 - I'd been predicting for a long time 1999 01:22:51,926 --> 01:22:54,428 that this was gonna end in a big ball of fire. 2000 01:22:54,428 --> 01:22:56,430 John would be killed at the hands 2001 01:22:56,430 --> 01:22:58,599 of someone's husband, brother, or father. 2002 01:22:58,599 --> 01:23:00,810 I never imagined that he would fall 2003 01:23:00,810 --> 01:23:02,937 to the hands of, you know, 2004 01:23:02,937 --> 01:23:05,981 a 5'2" girl fighting for her life. 2005 01:23:05,981 --> 01:23:08,233 I thought it was poetic justice. 2006 01:23:08,233 --> 01:23:12,279 [Goffard] Why did John go after Terra 2007 01:23:08,233 --> 01:23:12,279 at the end? 2008 01:23:12,279 --> 01:23:14,657 I think John Meehan wanted to kill Terra Newell 2009 01:23:14,657 --> 01:23:17,159 and send a message to her mother, Debra. 2010 01:23:17,159 --> 01:23:20,245 But what she had going for her was the gift of adrenaline, 2011 01:23:20,245 --> 01:23:23,499 uh, quick reflexes, and she did what a lot 2012 01:23:23,499 --> 01:23:25,626 of safety experts advise you to do: 2013 01:23:25,626 --> 01:23:28,128 Don't get in the car, or fight, kick, scream-- 2014 01:23:28,128 --> 01:23:29,797 do whatever you can. 2015 01:23:29,797 --> 01:23:32,508 I'm not a victim. I'm a survivor. 2016 01:23:32,508 --> 01:23:35,093 I believe that John would have killed again. 2017 01:23:35,093 --> 01:23:38,514 I believe he would have done anything to anyone. 2018 01:23:38,514 --> 01:23:39,890 [somber music] 2019 01:23:39,890 --> 01:23:42,392 - I was glad when John died 2020 01:23:42,392 --> 01:23:44,812 because there's so many victims 2021 01:23:44,812 --> 01:23:46,689 that were no longer within his power 2022 01:23:46,689 --> 01:23:48,732 - and his control. - When I heard 2023 01:23:48,732 --> 01:23:51,109 that John was dead... 2024 01:23:51,109 --> 01:23:54,029 it was the best and the worst day of my life. 2025 01:23:54,029 --> 01:23:57,032 I couldn't believe how happy I was 2026 01:23:57,032 --> 01:24:00,160 that someone was not just dead, 2027 01:24:00,160 --> 01:24:02,705 - he was killed. - When I got the phone call 2028 01:24:02,705 --> 01:24:05,541 that he had been killed, it was a tremendous relief, 2029 01:24:05,541 --> 01:24:07,918 and I wouldn't want to say this about anyone, 2030 01:24:07,918 --> 01:24:10,587 but he was someone that had to die. 2031 01:24:10,587 --> 01:24:12,047 2032 01:24:12,047 --> 01:24:14,717 - I get people emailing me, 2033 01:24:14,717 --> 01:24:17,219 texting me all the time... 2034 01:24:17,219 --> 01:24:19,137 and there are so many women out there. 2035 01:24:19,137 --> 01:24:20,890 It's so sad. 2036 01:24:20,890 --> 01:24:23,225 The advice that I give them 2037 01:24:23,225 --> 01:24:25,728 is be careful. 2038 01:24:25,728 --> 01:24:27,688 Um, look at the red flags. 2039 01:24:27,688 --> 01:24:29,732 Don't engage. 2040 01:24:29,732 --> 01:24:31,734 Stay involved with your family. 2041 01:24:31,734 --> 01:24:33,694 [Richards] The point with this case 2042 01:24:33,694 --> 01:24:35,863 is that Debra could be anybody. 2043 01:24:35,863 --> 01:24:37,948 Some of the advice I would give 2044 01:24:37,948 --> 01:24:40,158 is be very slow in terms 2045 01:24:40,158 --> 01:24:42,452 of who you invite into your life. 2046 01:24:42,452 --> 01:24:46,540 The number one rule is: trust your instincts. 2047 01:24:46,540 --> 01:24:49,209 This is the thing that keeps you safe. 2048 01:24:49,209 --> 01:24:50,753 [Bowman] There is recourse. 2049 01:24:50,753 --> 01:24:52,295 There are people to help you, 2050 01:24:52,295 --> 01:24:55,674 and that if you contact your police department 2051 01:24:55,674 --> 01:24:57,676 that there are resources that-- 2052 01:24:57,676 --> 01:25:01,430 this is a crime and that you need to be 2053 01:24:57,676 --> 01:25:01,430 your own advocate. 2054 01:25:03,223 --> 01:25:05,267 [Tonia] Of course I wish none of this 2055 01:25:05,267 --> 01:25:07,352 had happened to me, but without him 2056 01:25:07,352 --> 01:25:10,022 I wouldn't have Emily and Abby, and they're the greatest things 2057 01:25:10,022 --> 01:25:12,733 that have, you know, happened in my life. 2058 01:25:12,733 --> 01:25:14,735 Hi, Mom! 2059 01:25:14,735 --> 01:25:16,319 [harmonica playing] 2060 01:25:16,319 --> 01:25:18,072 [Tonia] Any time he could have stopped. 2061 01:25:18,072 --> 01:25:20,407 He could have said, "I'm done with this life. 2062 01:25:20,407 --> 01:25:22,284 Those girls are the most important." 2063 01:25:22,284 --> 01:25:25,788 John Meehan is a psychopath, but he knew right from wrong, 2064 01:25:25,788 --> 01:25:27,831 and he chose wrong. 2065 01:25:27,831 --> 01:25:30,292 He chose himself, he chose drugs, 2066 01:25:30,292 --> 01:25:32,795 he chose women... 2067 01:25:32,795 --> 01:25:34,880 over his children. 2068 01:25:34,880 --> 01:25:36,924 No one can deny that, 2069 01:25:36,924 --> 01:25:39,969 and that's gotta hurt. 2070 01:25:39,969 --> 01:25:41,804 [Goffard] I guess the thing that surprised me most 2071 01:25:41,804 --> 01:25:43,764 was the volume of his victims, 2072 01:25:43,764 --> 01:25:46,141 and I expect any day to get another email 2073 01:25:46,141 --> 01:25:48,226 or another phone call from someone 2074 01:25:48,226 --> 01:25:49,561 detailing another horror story 2075 01:25:49,561 --> 01:25:51,647 and adding another piece to the puzzle. 2076 01:25:51,647 --> 01:25:56,068 [Jacquelyn] John Meehan was in our life 2077 01:25:51,647 --> 01:25:56,068 for two years, 2078 01:25:56,068 --> 01:25:58,695 and it was the worst two years of my life. 2079 01:25:58,695 --> 01:26:01,949 I was very relieved that he was not a threat 2080 01:26:01,949 --> 01:26:03,909 to anybody anymore. 2081 01:26:03,909 --> 01:26:05,786 [Terra] In the end, 2082 01:26:05,786 --> 01:26:08,080 it brought my family closer together. 2083 01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:10,916 We're a lot closer than we've ever been. 2084 01:26:10,916 --> 01:26:13,836 - We're still healing... 2085 01:26:13,836 --> 01:26:15,838 and I think that's gonna take time. 2086 01:26:15,838 --> 01:26:19,174 It's really caused me to rethink dating. 2087 01:26:20,550 --> 01:26:22,469 Men. [laughs] 2088 01:26:22,469 --> 01:26:25,931 And realize that there is good and evil in the world. 2089 01:26:25,931 --> 01:26:29,476 Luckily, in this case, the good won. 2090 01:26:29,476 --> 01:26:33,939 [wedding guest] John Meehan's nickname 2091 01:26:29,476 --> 01:26:33,939 is "Filthy John Meehan." 2092 01:26:33,939 --> 01:26:35,732 [guest 2] Yeah, yeah! 2093 01:26:35,732 --> 01:26:37,484 2094 01:26:39,319 --> 01:26:42,114 - For more information, go to oxygen.com. 151949

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