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So, I started working with my
father more-oMess in those years,
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during the period in which we
made these films we're talking about.
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To be precise I started working
with my father in the States,
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on a mm called “Cannibal Apocalypse",
very much Ioved by Quentin Tarantino.
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I did a bit of everything on that.
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GeneraHy I began as a still photographer
and then I would play small parts...
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N one 9mm was a sckxxer
hanümg a “amemtow er,
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with a gas-mask,
so I'm not recognizable.
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We shot 85% of the film in
the States and some of the
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remaining special effects
in a sound stage back in Italy.
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The whole crew would play a role.
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For example “we have to shoot in
Rome and the Philippines, who is available?”
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“The pmüucuon cuorüinauzr.
0K, kgnaixo hohe man go.
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Edoardo can p\ay this,
Mario can play that”.
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We would all have to
improvise ourselves actors,
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who was good and who Iess,
Iike myselfthat was a real dog!
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At the end of the day we had fun
and it was a way of enriching the film.
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For years I would foHow also
the special effects of my fathefs mm3.
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I would du the models and then I
became supervisor of the special effecis.
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Since I was a child I have always
had the hobby modelling...
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Even now I fix and build furniture
all around the house.
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Sa huomed im my (am:
im as a phomgrapher,
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then as an AD, second unit
director and
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finally model and special
effect supervisor.
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After I began a career
as a production manager
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and general organizer
and I did some mms
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with him even in that department.
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Immediately after that mm
in the States, “Cannibal Apocalypse"
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the great adventure in the
Philippines began
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where my father and
I made 13/14 mms.
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Twewe he directed while I did anothertwo...
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we really vented as much as we could...
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In those years afterthe success of
films such as "Apocalypse Now'
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and “The Deer Huntef' by
Michael Cimino
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this era of the Vietnam movie began.
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The return of the action and
war movies,
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often set in Vietnam and with
controversial characters.
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Something that my father Iiked a Iot.
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With a script written by
Dardano Sacchetti,
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an adventure began between my
father and Gianfranco Couyoumdjian,
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first with Flora Film and then with
Gico Cinematografica.
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The first one was “The Last Hunter"
which was initially
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caHed “The Deer Hunter 2".
Posters had been printed
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with this title
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butthen Universal, or whoever
had the rights of Ciminds mm,
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basically threatened they would sue
and so it became “The Last Hunter...
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You could see the posters around
with a sticker covering the old title.
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That film began the \ove affair between
my father and the Philippines.
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He got his team of writers,
Iike Dardano Sacchetti,
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Giovanni Simonelli and others,
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to write a series of mm3 that
could be set in thejung\e.
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The follow-up was
“The Hunters ofthe Golden Cobra“
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which I didn't participate in
because I was doing
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my military Service.
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Immediately after came
“Fuga dalVarchipelago maledetto“,
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heuer known as “Tiger Aue“ .
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If I recall correctly “Tiger Joe”
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had a different setting,
during World War II
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and it takes place in Cambodia.
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A (um mm sxamng Jahn Steine:
am Davmwameck...
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by that time a real team
and been created.
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With “The Last Hunter“ my
father discovered David Warbeck,
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that had anyway come from
some important experiences,
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even with the Iikes of Sergio
Leone on “Duck You Sucker...
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He had made some films
also with Roger Corman,
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and he had previously
auditioned to be the next 007.
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He wasn't ab\e to get that role
but he nonetheless
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managen k: haue a gcmd am
prehüc career hexe
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in Italy working with my father
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but also subsequently with Fulci,
Lenzi and others...
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He made about seven with
my father and “Tiger Joe"
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is the most fun ofthe \ot.
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That was also the period
of Indiana Jones.
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I remember {hat around 1981,
roughly when "Raiders of the Lost Ark”
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was released, my father came back
from a trip in the States.
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I wen! to pick him up at the
airport and we wen! out for dinner.
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There he seemed Hke that scene in
“The Blues Brothers" - “I've seen the Hght“...
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I had never seen him this excited:
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“I have seen an amazing film in America".
“This is how you make films“.
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“Ihm man 1s a gemus” .
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He was talking about “Raiders
of the Lost Ark...
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He described to me in detail the
first scene with the giant
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stone ball chasing Indiana Jones.
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From that moment onwards
we started alternating adventure
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war (“ms m mure dramaflxc war armes,
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with complex characters
dealing with the atrocities of war
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Iike the ones set in Vietnam- things Hke
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“The Last Hunter“ and “Tornado”...
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Alternating these with more
Iight comedic adventure
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films which reminded you
of Indiana Jones.
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One examme woum be “Junge
Raums“ wmch was a mbn bemeen
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“Romancing the Stone" and
the Indiana Jones films...
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In that there was also Lee Van Cleef,
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another iconic figure
in my fathefls cinema.
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That was a very rich period,
we had a Iot of fun
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and those were films that
attracted the foreign market.
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You could seH them easily.
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I mean that you just needed
Japan and South Korea
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to cover the film's costs.
AII the rest was money
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for the producer and the
international distributors.
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The request was high.
We didn't manage to finish
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one that another two films
were put in the making.
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I would have to interrupt my work
on the models of one film to run
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to the PhiHppines to Start
preparation on the next.
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It was quick work,
even because after some time
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we knew exacfly where to shoot,
we knew that
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territory perfectly, you know
14 mms in the same p\ace...
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“We can shoot that scene
near the Iake"
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or “do you rememberthat
hut near that restaurant?
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We can shoot something there...
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“was a m: iun.
A vew aürenaune fiuefled
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perlen am: a üecade afi
(anmsuc wenn.
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The eighties was still a great
period and not only for us.
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I remember we would bump
into Ruggero Deodato,
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in the Philippines, shooting
three kilometres away from us.
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We wqum shate the Same base
camp, im examme.
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I also recall crossing paths with
Lucio Fulci who was
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there shooting “Zombi
or was it number 3... “Zombi 3"
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lt was fun..
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I have only one bad
memory of “Tiger Joe”.
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As we were saying before
you can't talk about this mm
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without mentioning the fact
that during the making,
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cinematographer Riccardo
Pallottini died
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while shooting from a plane,
as my father was filming
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from the ground as the
plane flew over the jungle.
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The plane was flying pretty Iow,
near the palm trees...
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Ifs not clear what happened,
and weWI never know
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because out of the three people
on the plane none survived.
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Maybe for a malfunction in the engine
or a problem with the pHot...
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Anyway one of the wings
hit a tree and the plane crashed
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to the ground. lt was the very
last day of production.
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My father was desperate.
They had been friends forthirty years.
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The first film my father
directed was with Pallottini,
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actually not the very first,
not “Space Men“,
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butthe first important, remembered
film of fathers, “Castle of B\ood...
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One ofthe films most shown
during retrospectives.
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“Was a deep mendship,
he hat: done me phomgraphy
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of our first film in the Philippines,
“The Last Hunter“,
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and also the second one,
“The Hunters ofthe Golden Cobra“
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foHowed by this damned
third instalment...
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The crew was practically
always the same,
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the technicians were the same,
I would always be the 1st AD...
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Mario Sbrenna, the camera
Operator, was afraid of heights,
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and would hate to fly, so
whenever we had to place
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a camera thirty metres
from the ground
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on a tree or dangling from a
window I was usually the one to du it.
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So if I had been presentwhile
shooting that scene
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mayhe mngs wuuki have
been «Metern.
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Mayhe we wcum haue shm max
stehe answer üay im examme,
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or maybe I would have died
instead of Riccardo.
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I used to keep in my
wallet -unti\ in disintegrated
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in time- a small photo of Riccardo,
taken on the set
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of “The Last Hunter",
with him Iying down in a
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canoe ho\ding the camera,
while shooting David Warbeck
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an me rapids oi Paksanan.
Thmwas me area which
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we would oflen use as a
home-base,
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about 50KM from Manila,
so quite convenient.
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Anthony M. Dawson is
recognizame for many reasons:
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first of all fortechnique,
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he had a great command
ofthe medium.
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He was able to tell you what
he was going to shoot from
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seven in the morning to
seven in evening,
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frame by frame,
every single shot.
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He had everything in his head,
how he was going to edit,
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he would never shoot
what wasn't necessary.
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This is the reason my fathefls
films Iook so rich despite
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haximg maüe xhem "m (nur
o? fwe weeks.
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An amount of time which
now you use
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to do an episode of a
television series.
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Films with a Iot of cuts,
every ree! could contain
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300 different shots.
It was really quite impressive.
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He would never shoot what
was superfluous.
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If an actor had to say one Iine
in a close-up he would say
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just that Iine. He knew how the
film was going to be edited.
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Another characteristic of
my fathefs style was
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the camera movement and
the Ienses he would use.
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Anuthet mm9 he was
am m du was know
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precisely what you could see
with any given Wens.
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“Ifwe put an 18" then we
can see from here to there".
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Once you Iooked in camera you
would realize {hat he was perfectly right.
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Many directors nowadays
wouldn't even
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now what we're ta\king about.
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They probably don't even know
what an 18" Iens is,
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but even so ifasked they aren't
capable of telling you
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what and how much you can
frame with a 35" Iens, for examme.
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He was spectacular in this.
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He also hand quite a creativity
when it came
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to conceiving shots. I remember
in “Cannibal Apocalypse"
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there was a scene in a medical
studio with a crystal
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table and surgical instruments
placed on them
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and he chose to shoot itwith a
doHy-shot passing under the tames,
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shooting the actors through the
crystal of the tab\e's surface.
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Ifs not a thing that many would
have thought of...
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Needless to say the biggest
signature of Antonio Margheriti
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are the models and the explosions.
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He would be the first
to say so.
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In the budget estimates for my
fathers films there would
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always be a voice, which would be
pretty hefty,
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forgasoline, special fuels and
special effects
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amounts that fot other mms were
nothing for us was quiet a sum.
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We made everything explode.
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Lefs take one of the richest films
from this point-of-view,
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“Commando Leopard" - one of
the instalments
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of the trilogy ofmms produced by
Erwin C. Dietrich for Ascot, in Berlin.
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Those were expansive films
with big casts and we had
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at our disposal dozens, maybe
hundreds, ofmillions of Iira
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to do the special effects, at the end
of principal photography,
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when usuaHy we would have
practically nothing Iefl to do them.
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We built a fleet of airmanes
forthe Ianding of a DC9,
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six metres in Iength and seven
of wing-opening.
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It Ianded with cables attached
to two industrial
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cranes at night and it exmodes
as it touches the ground.
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Years Iater we saw something
similar on a “Die Hard" movies,
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possibly number two,
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and despite their money
and resources...
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I don't want to say ours is better
butwe are on the same Ievel.
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Us Italians, building things
with our own hands...
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well this craftsmanship has
always been a reason of pride.
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On that film we blew up everything:
dams, trains, planes, helicopters,
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villages attacked by mercenaries.
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The signature of my father are the
special effects. He would say the explosions.
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I have memories of my father running
at night to throw buckets of gasoline
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on fires to Iiven the flames as we
would stay \ying on the ground.
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It really was very home-made
and artisan-Iike.
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Itwasn't co\d and aseptic as it is today.
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We would be in shorts on the ground
covering ourselves with dark mankets.
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Dbxecxs cm fue wouks Xnevitabb;
end up an nur banks.
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Then a grip would come and
extinguish the flames.
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This was the biggest trait of my father,
plus some elements in the narrative:
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characters are neverwhatthey seem,
he particularly Hked giving some shades
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of ambiguity to his heroes,
even something negative.
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If you wanted you could notice
these things and elaborate
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them but you could still choose
to watch the film with innocence of child,
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which was the way my father would
Iook at his films,
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he could just have fun
and enjoy the action.
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This was something he did
inteHigently and I'm not sure
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how many peopb haue
nouoeü ms.
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For example in “Commando Leopard"
Klaus Kinski
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is a character who beyond the
perversions, the craziness -
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which is always the most apparent
aspect in Kinski-
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he arrives with the machine - gun
shouting and shooting Iike a mad man
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but ifyou Iook closer you can find
some subtlelies.
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Some have even noticed political
connotations in his films,
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but in reaHty my father didn't
Iike to talk about politics,
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and especially he didn't Iike
mixing his genre with political elements.
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Although of course some of his
films denounoe a Situation,
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Iike all the films on the Vietnam war,
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Iike “The Last Hunter" and
"Tornado" for example,
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he wouldn't approach the
films with this attitude.
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He would do big entertainments,
full of spectacular elements
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but also characters that having
something to say and what they say
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can be interpreted as a Statement
on the cruelty of war,
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on the other hand who chooses to
do so can just enjoy the
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story of antihero involved in a
situation biggerthan he is,
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fighting to protect the
Ioca! population.
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Ms mm 'meresimg "m
ms appmach.
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A secondary distinctive
characteristic because
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the (m are a\ways me expknsiuns.
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