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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:01:01,436 --> 00:01:04,774 CLIFFORD: How long you been working on this project, Dan? 2 00:01:04,856 --> 00:01:07,650 DANIEL: Five years. 3 00:01:07,734 --> 00:01:09,986 CLIFFORD: Five, wow. 4 00:01:10,069 --> 00:01:13,114 Every day? Nights, weekends? 5 00:01:14,617 --> 00:01:16,911 DANIEL: It's been very consuming. 6 00:01:19,871 --> 00:01:23,584 Do you have a relationship, Dan? Family? 7 00:01:23,667 --> 00:01:27,129 Just trying to get a better sense of who you are. 8 00:01:27,212 --> 00:01:29,590 When it started, I was seeing someone, but, you know, 9 00:01:29,673 --> 00:01:32,426 with the nature of the work and the hours... 10 00:01:32,509 --> 00:01:35,179 I wasn't a very good partner. 11 00:01:39,057 --> 00:01:43,061 CLIFFORD: Five years, and it could all go away. 12 00:01:43,145 --> 00:01:46,105 Just vanish in the face of these allegations. 13 00:01:46,189 --> 00:01:48,025 I can certainly imagine 14 00:01:48,108 --> 00:01:49,944 an ambitious young man like yourself 15 00:01:50,027 --> 00:01:51,861 spends years with his head buried 16 00:01:51,945 --> 00:01:54,156 in some terrible spectacle, 17 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,450 gets frustrated with the process, 18 00:01:56,533 --> 00:01:58,828 sees an opportunity to get the truth out faster, 19 00:01:58,911 --> 00:02:00,203 maybe crosses a line. 20 00:02:00,287 --> 00:02:01,890 I'm assuming this is the most important thing 21 00:02:01,914 --> 00:02:03,682 - you've ever been a part of. - I didn't do it. 22 00:02:03,706 --> 00:02:05,459 Or I can see an equally ambitious senator 23 00:02:05,543 --> 00:02:06,918 encouraging you to do something. 24 00:02:07,001 --> 00:02:08,878 Now would be a good time to tell me. 25 00:02:08,962 --> 00:02:10,965 That did not happen. What I did, I did on my own. 26 00:02:12,049 --> 00:02:13,259 I acted alone. 27 00:02:13,342 --> 00:02:15,009 SECURITY GUARD: You ever sleep, bro? 28 00:02:15,093 --> 00:02:17,805 - I used to. Got in the way of work. - (SCANNER BEEPS) 29 00:02:17,888 --> 00:02:20,098 Anything in that bag contain the real names 30 00:02:20,181 --> 00:02:22,308 of CIA officers, assets or partners, 31 00:02:22,393 --> 00:02:24,687 or any information that would be in violation 32 00:02:24,770 --> 00:02:27,105 of the agreement between the Central Intelligence Agency 33 00:02:27,188 --> 00:02:28,691 and the United States Senate? 34 00:02:28,774 --> 00:02:31,526 - Have a good night, Jay. - You, too, Dan. 35 00:02:33,319 --> 00:02:35,155 CLIFFORD: So, you did steal the document? 36 00:02:35,239 --> 00:02:37,074 DANIEL: I did not steal it. I relocated it. 37 00:02:37,156 --> 00:02:38,593 CLIFFORD: Everyone has their own words. 38 00:02:38,616 --> 00:02:40,326 The language is built to choose sides. 39 00:02:40,411 --> 00:02:42,579 Now, why did you relocate it? 40 00:02:44,038 --> 00:02:46,250 They could send you to jail, Dan. 41 00:02:56,968 --> 00:02:58,971 DANIEL: I think I should start at the beginning. 42 00:03:03,516 --> 00:03:05,644 (TRAFFIC PASSING IN DISTANCE) 43 00:03:18,449 --> 00:03:20,033 (CAMERA BEEPS, CLICKS) 44 00:03:30,502 --> 00:03:32,754 (PHONE RINGING IN DISTANCE) 45 00:03:40,219 --> 00:03:42,180 - MCDONOUGH: You Dan Jones? - Yeah. 46 00:03:42,264 --> 00:03:43,264 - Denis McDonough. - Hi. 47 00:03:43,348 --> 00:03:44,408 Thank you so much for meeting me. 48 00:03:44,432 --> 00:03:46,100 Come on in, yeah. Absolutely. 49 00:03:46,185 --> 00:03:47,770 So, thanks for coming in. 50 00:03:47,853 --> 00:03:49,228 Uh, tell me your story. 51 00:03:49,312 --> 00:03:51,192 My second day of grad school was September 11th. 52 00:03:51,230 --> 00:03:55,194 I was headed to a lecture, and everything just... stopped. 53 00:03:55,276 --> 00:03:57,947 The next day, I changed all my classes to national security. 54 00:03:58,030 --> 00:04:00,407 Good man. 55 00:04:00,491 --> 00:04:01,824 So, what's the long-term plan? 56 00:04:01,908 --> 00:04:03,618 Where do you see yourself in ten years? 57 00:04:03,701 --> 00:04:05,037 Are you running for office? 58 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:06,622 Oh, uh, no. No politics for me. 59 00:04:06,705 --> 00:04:08,390 I think I'd be more effective behind the scenes, 60 00:04:08,414 --> 00:04:10,084 somewhere I can really make a difference. 61 00:04:10,167 --> 00:04:11,543 So, what about before Harvard? 62 00:04:11,627 --> 00:04:13,753 Uh, what'd you fill up your days with then? 63 00:04:13,836 --> 00:04:16,339 Teach For America for three years in Baltimore. 64 00:04:16,423 --> 00:04:17,548 Seventh-graders. 65 00:04:17,632 --> 00:04:19,343 I read that you taught high school Spanish 66 00:04:19,425 --> 00:04:20,985 in Saint Paul, Minnesota, after college? 67 00:04:21,011 --> 00:04:22,553 And LBJ's first job was teaching 68 00:04:22,637 --> 00:04:24,639 at the Mexican school in South Texas. 69 00:04:24,723 --> 00:04:26,266 Knowing how to deal with children 70 00:04:26,350 --> 00:04:28,286 is a highly useful skill when working on the Hill. 71 00:04:28,310 --> 00:04:29,687 (LAUGHS) 72 00:04:29,769 --> 00:04:32,355 But from my perspective as Senate staff, 73 00:04:32,439 --> 00:04:36,235 I would wait until things turn around up here. 74 00:04:36,317 --> 00:04:38,862 I think Senator Daschle would say the same thing. 75 00:04:38,946 --> 00:04:41,824 Go get some real-world experience in counterterrorism, 76 00:04:41,906 --> 00:04:44,242 in... foreign policy. 77 00:04:44,326 --> 00:04:46,452 Try the CIA. Try FBI. 78 00:04:46,536 --> 00:04:49,747 Have them teach you what they don't teach you in a classroom. 79 00:04:49,831 --> 00:04:51,685 - Then you can come back here, and... - (PHONE RINGING) 80 00:04:51,709 --> 00:04:54,252 help us fix all the things that Bush and Cheney are breaking. 81 00:04:54,336 --> 00:04:56,170 McDonough. 82 00:04:56,254 --> 00:04:58,507 Yes, Senator, uh, one second. 83 00:04:58,590 --> 00:05:00,675 The boss. Here. 84 00:05:00,759 --> 00:05:02,093 Keep in touch, huh? 85 00:05:02,177 --> 00:05:04,721 - Thank you very much for your time. - Absolutely. 86 00:05:04,805 --> 00:05:06,783 MCDONOUGH: I do not have that information right now, 87 00:05:06,807 --> 00:05:09,268 but I can certainly get that for you in the next 15. 88 00:05:09,350 --> 00:05:11,228 - (DOOR OPENS, CLOSES) - Yeah. 89 00:05:16,608 --> 00:05:18,944 DANIEL: In regards to the bomb plots in Germany, 90 00:05:19,028 --> 00:05:20,379 three men were arrested in Medebach 91 00:05:20,403 --> 00:05:22,488 with 1,500 pounds of hydrogen peroxide 92 00:05:22,572 --> 00:05:24,824 and 26 military-grade detonators. 93 00:05:24,908 --> 00:05:26,785 The CIA suspects the Islamic Jihad Union... 94 00:05:26,869 --> 00:05:28,137 - (DOOR OPENS) - MORRIS: Excuse me. 95 00:05:28,161 --> 00:05:29,997 Uh, can I borrow you for a minute, Dan? 96 00:05:30,079 --> 00:05:31,831 Uh, Senator would like to see you. 97 00:05:31,915 --> 00:05:33,332 Yeah, of course. 98 00:05:34,209 --> 00:05:36,170 (PHONES RINGING) 99 00:05:36,252 --> 00:05:39,088 - FEINSTEIN: Morning, Dan. - DANIEL: Morning, Senator. 100 00:05:39,173 --> 00:05:41,841 Have you seen the story today in The New York Times? 101 00:05:41,925 --> 00:05:44,261 - No, Senator, I have not. - Evidently, the CIA destroyed 102 00:05:44,343 --> 00:05:47,514 tapes of interrogations of Al Qaeda detainees. 103 00:05:48,807 --> 00:05:51,060 Did the Intel Committee know there were tapes? 104 00:05:51,143 --> 00:05:53,269 No. This is the first I've heard of it. 105 00:05:53,353 --> 00:05:56,774 So, I want to find out what was on the tapes 106 00:05:56,856 --> 00:05:58,233 and why they were destroyed. 107 00:05:58,317 --> 00:06:00,819 We want you to lead the investigation, Dan. 108 00:06:02,862 --> 00:06:04,990 But if the tapes were destroyed, how do we... 109 00:06:05,074 --> 00:06:07,117 FEINSTEIN: They're saying they have written records. 110 00:06:07,201 --> 00:06:10,870 Thousands of pages. Let's see about that. 111 00:06:10,954 --> 00:06:13,290 I want you to find out exactly what they have 112 00:06:13,372 --> 00:06:15,250 and read every word of it. 113 00:06:18,461 --> 00:06:19,797 (GAVEL BANGING) 114 00:06:19,879 --> 00:06:24,550 FEINSTEIN: This report on the destruction of tapes by the CIA 115 00:06:24,634 --> 00:06:27,178 - has been two years in the making. - Thank you. 116 00:06:27,262 --> 00:06:29,848 The findings are very troubling, 117 00:06:29,932 --> 00:06:32,475 but it will remain classified. 118 00:06:32,558 --> 00:06:35,978 Based on these revelations, a larger study into 119 00:06:36,062 --> 00:06:40,233 the entire CIA Detention and Interrogation Program 120 00:06:40,317 --> 00:06:43,237 is clearly in order. 121 00:06:43,319 --> 00:06:46,072 All in favor, say "yay." 122 00:06:46,156 --> 00:06:48,367 - CLERK: Mr. Whitehouse? - WHITEHOUSE: Yay. 123 00:06:48,449 --> 00:06:51,161 - CLERK: Mr. Burr? - BURR: Yay. 124 00:06:51,245 --> 00:06:54,247 - CLERK: Mr. Rockefeller? - ROCKEFELLER: Yay. 125 00:06:54,331 --> 00:06:56,582 CLERK: Mr. Chambliss? 126 00:06:56,667 --> 00:06:58,209 - CHAMBLISS: Nay. - CLERK: Mr. Risch? 127 00:06:58,293 --> 00:07:00,629 CHAMBLISS: I think this is a waste of time. 128 00:07:00,711 --> 00:07:02,630 Now, I know you voted against this, Saxby... 129 00:07:02,713 --> 00:07:05,091 But you already had your tapes investigation. 130 00:07:05,175 --> 00:07:08,470 Yes, but the rest of us voted to go further, 14 to one. 131 00:07:08,553 --> 00:07:11,139 It's our job to provide oversight. 132 00:07:11,223 --> 00:07:15,560 All during the campaign, you got candidate Obama saying 133 00:07:15,644 --> 00:07:18,355 how he wanted to be the first post-partisan president. 134 00:07:18,437 --> 00:07:20,189 Saxby, you know me. 135 00:07:20,274 --> 00:07:22,067 It's my intention that this report be seen 136 00:07:22,151 --> 00:07:24,653 as coming from the entire Intelligence Committee, 137 00:07:24,735 --> 00:07:26,321 not just the Democrats. 138 00:07:26,404 --> 00:07:27,947 So, who takes the lead? 139 00:07:28,031 --> 00:07:30,701 Well, I was thinking Dan Jones. 140 00:07:30,783 --> 00:07:33,829 He spent four years doing counterterrorism at the FBI. 141 00:07:33,911 --> 00:07:36,581 He's already got the security clearances. 142 00:07:36,665 --> 00:07:40,127 The rules are the same as the tapes investigation. 143 00:07:40,209 --> 00:07:42,086 No politics, no bias, 144 00:07:42,170 --> 00:07:43,880 and the senator isn't interested 145 00:07:43,963 --> 00:07:45,716 in opinions or theories, just facts. 146 00:07:45,798 --> 00:07:47,341 Based on what you found out already, 147 00:07:47,425 --> 00:07:50,303 this could go to a pretty dark place. 148 00:07:50,387 --> 00:07:52,430 You need to keep your personal feelings out of it. 149 00:07:52,514 --> 00:07:55,433 That's the first thing Republicans are gonna look for. 150 00:07:55,516 --> 00:07:57,519 No talking to the press or your girlfriend 151 00:07:57,603 --> 00:07:59,312 or any family members. 152 00:07:59,396 --> 00:08:01,439 Nobody outside of the committee. 153 00:08:01,523 --> 00:08:03,274 You're gonna get a team of six... 154 00:08:03,358 --> 00:08:04,798 Three Republicans, three Democrats... 155 00:08:04,860 --> 00:08:06,819 But there can't be any Republican sentences 156 00:08:06,903 --> 00:08:08,613 or Democratic paragraphs. 157 00:08:08,697 --> 00:08:10,490 And how long do we have? 158 00:08:10,574 --> 00:08:13,326 We're hoping you can wrap it up in a year or so. 159 00:08:13,410 --> 00:08:17,079 You're gonna have to keep the senators updated on your work. 160 00:08:17,163 --> 00:08:19,457 Nobody wants any surprises. 161 00:08:19,540 --> 00:08:22,711 There's a covert CIA off-site in Virginia. 162 00:08:22,793 --> 00:08:23,961 You start tomorrow. 163 00:08:24,045 --> 00:08:26,048 - Jones, right? - Sean. 164 00:08:26,130 --> 00:08:29,343 - Hi. Dan. - Sean Murphy from the Agency. 165 00:08:29,425 --> 00:08:31,677 - Let's go inside. - Okay. 166 00:08:36,015 --> 00:08:38,434 SECURITY GUARD: Identification, gentlemen. 167 00:08:38,518 --> 00:08:41,020 - The room we've designated is a SCIF. - (SCANNER BEEPS) 168 00:08:41,104 --> 00:08:43,356 No phone reception, no photos... You know the drill... 169 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:45,442 - Lead walls. - (SCANNER BEEPS) 170 00:08:45,524 --> 00:08:47,360 DANIEL: And, per the agreement, 171 00:08:47,443 --> 00:08:48,986 the room is off-limits to everyone 172 00:08:49,071 --> 00:08:50,905 - except committee personnel. - Absolutely. 173 00:08:50,989 --> 00:08:52,823 No one inside without your permission. 174 00:08:52,908 --> 00:08:54,701 (DOOR OPENS) 175 00:08:56,787 --> 00:08:58,371 (DOOR CLOSES) 176 00:09:02,793 --> 00:09:04,669 - And the computers? - Right here. 177 00:09:04,753 --> 00:09:07,172 Your own dedicated server, air-gapped workstations. 178 00:09:07,255 --> 00:09:09,131 We'll be updating the database as we go. 179 00:09:09,216 --> 00:09:11,301 The files will be loaded on here as we collect them 180 00:09:11,384 --> 00:09:13,177 - from across the Agency. - Great. 181 00:09:13,261 --> 00:09:15,197 We'll want all relevant documents as soon as possible. 182 00:09:15,221 --> 00:09:16,698 - Well, we got to vet it first. - Vet? 183 00:09:16,722 --> 00:09:18,100 There's a lot to... 184 00:09:18,182 --> 00:09:19,503 Director Panetta agreed to give us 185 00:09:19,558 --> 00:09:20,870 everything pertaining to the program. 186 00:09:20,894 --> 00:09:23,020 Wh-Who would be, who would be vetting it? 187 00:09:23,105 --> 00:09:25,023 It's a big agency. 188 00:09:25,106 --> 00:09:26,774 We got to make sure you don't get anything 189 00:09:26,857 --> 00:09:28,985 you're not supposed to. 190 00:09:29,068 --> 00:09:31,571 (KEYPAD BEEPING) 191 00:09:35,283 --> 00:09:37,244 (LIGHT SWITCHES CLICKING) 192 00:09:37,326 --> 00:09:39,538 (LIGHTS CLINKING) 193 00:09:54,427 --> 00:09:56,638 Make yourself at home. 194 00:10:05,605 --> 00:10:08,692 There's... no printer? 195 00:10:08,774 --> 00:10:10,152 No paper. 196 00:10:10,235 --> 00:10:12,278 No documents are allowed to leave the room 197 00:10:12,361 --> 00:10:14,155 without CIA approval. 198 00:10:14,239 --> 00:10:18,201 Paper has a way of getting people in trouble at our place. 199 00:10:20,703 --> 00:10:23,248 I think at some point we're gonna need a printer. 200 00:10:23,331 --> 00:10:24,416 And paper. 201 00:10:24,499 --> 00:10:27,043 At our place... 202 00:10:27,126 --> 00:10:29,629 paper's how we keep track of laws. 203 00:10:33,008 --> 00:10:34,551 Okay. 204 00:10:58,991 --> 00:11:01,160 (MOUSE CLICKING) 205 00:11:09,461 --> 00:11:11,671 (TV REPORTER SPEAKING FAINTLY) 206 00:11:11,754 --> 00:11:15,174 TV REPORTER: calling this an obvious terrorist attack 207 00:11:15,258 --> 00:11:17,469 based on very preliminary information, 208 00:11:17,552 --> 00:11:19,346 - (PHONES RINGING) - the information that 209 00:11:19,428 --> 00:11:20,740 intelligence officials are getting... 210 00:11:20,764 --> 00:11:22,474 MAN: You're not gonna like this. 211 00:11:22,557 --> 00:11:24,701 TV REPORTER: a possible hijacked plane, and of course 212 00:11:24,725 --> 00:11:27,979 the-the very horrifying video of the plane... 213 00:11:28,062 --> 00:11:30,399 We confirmed some of the names. 214 00:11:30,481 --> 00:11:31,774 The hijackers? 215 00:11:31,857 --> 00:11:33,610 Two of the guys from the Malaysia meetings. 216 00:11:33,692 --> 00:11:35,986 The San Diego guys. They took down Flight 77. 217 00:11:36,071 --> 00:11:37,364 Pentagon. 218 00:11:37,447 --> 00:11:39,008 TV ANCHOR: the coordination that took place 219 00:11:39,032 --> 00:11:40,450 to have two planes hit the towers... 220 00:11:40,533 --> 00:11:42,494 Attention, everyone, please. 221 00:11:42,576 --> 00:11:44,830 We have reason to believe the Counterterrorism Center 222 00:11:44,913 --> 00:11:46,414 is a potential target. 223 00:11:46,498 --> 00:11:49,167 We're asking all personnel to evacuate, immediately. 224 00:11:49,250 --> 00:11:51,229 - (CROWD MURMURING) - TV REPORTER: Jim Miklaszewski 225 00:11:51,253 --> 00:11:52,504 there from the Pentagon. 226 00:11:52,586 --> 00:11:54,148 Of course, the president has the authority 227 00:11:54,172 --> 00:11:56,633 to scramble military, uh, forces, 228 00:11:56,716 --> 00:11:58,342 and, uh, this is a case, obviously, 229 00:11:58,427 --> 00:12:01,011 in which, uh, retaliation, if indeed it proves to be 230 00:12:01,096 --> 00:12:02,931 a terrorist incident, 231 00:12:03,014 --> 00:12:04,533 - will be contemplated. - (DOOR CLOSES) 232 00:12:04,599 --> 00:12:06,619 DICK CHENEY (OVER TV): We also have to work, though, 233 00:12:06,643 --> 00:12:08,202 sort of, the-the dark side, if you will. 234 00:12:08,227 --> 00:12:09,707 We've got to spend time in the shadows 235 00:12:09,770 --> 00:12:11,605 in-in the intelligence world. 236 00:12:11,690 --> 00:12:13,984 Uh, a lot of what needs to be done here 237 00:12:14,067 --> 00:12:16,778 will have to be done quietly, without any discussion... 238 00:12:16,861 --> 00:12:17,988 TENET: Fucking warned them. 239 00:12:18,071 --> 00:12:20,448 August 6th presidential briefing: 240 00:12:20,532 --> 00:12:22,451 "Bin Ladin Determined to Strike in U.S." 241 00:12:22,533 --> 00:12:24,952 - Flashing red lights. - BLACK: And before that, 242 00:12:25,036 --> 00:12:27,163 in July, what did we say? 243 00:12:27,246 --> 00:12:29,582 "There will be significant terrorist attacks 244 00:12:29,666 --> 00:12:33,669 against the United States in the weeks and months to come." 245 00:12:33,753 --> 00:12:35,172 It's not your fault. 246 00:12:35,254 --> 00:12:38,841 It is a mean, nasty, dangerous, uh, dirty business out there, 247 00:12:38,924 --> 00:12:41,302 and we have to operate in that arena. 248 00:12:41,385 --> 00:12:43,429 But we need to make certain that we have not 249 00:12:43,513 --> 00:12:46,725 tied the hands, if you will, of our intelligence community. 250 00:12:46,807 --> 00:12:49,351 Counterterrorism Director Black and I saw President Bush 251 00:12:49,436 --> 00:12:51,229 at Camp David this weekend. 252 00:12:51,312 --> 00:12:53,565 And the president gave me his word that there will be 253 00:12:53,648 --> 00:12:57,318 no changes in CIA leadership as a result of Tuesday's attacks. 254 00:12:57,402 --> 00:12:59,070 We will look forward now, 255 00:12:59,153 --> 00:13:02,532 not waste time second-guessing or looking for blame. 256 00:13:02,615 --> 00:13:04,993 Going forward, we will be the tip of the spear 257 00:13:05,076 --> 00:13:07,328 in the battle against Al Qaeda. 258 00:13:07,412 --> 00:13:09,998 BLACK: As I said to the president, two weeks, 259 00:13:10,081 --> 00:13:13,125 we'll have flies walking across Al Qaeda eyeballs. 260 00:13:13,210 --> 00:13:15,312 I've asked Chief Counsel Rizzo here to walk us through 261 00:13:15,336 --> 00:13:17,505 where we are from a legal standpoint. 262 00:13:17,588 --> 00:13:21,676 The president has issued a memorandum of notification 263 00:13:21,759 --> 00:13:26,264 giving CIA the power to capture and detain suspected terrorists 264 00:13:26,347 --> 00:13:27,765 on the battlefield. 265 00:13:27,849 --> 00:13:29,725 Detain them where? 266 00:13:29,808 --> 00:13:31,937 Are we bringing them to the U.S.? 267 00:13:32,019 --> 00:13:34,147 We're really not in the prison business 268 00:13:34,230 --> 00:13:36,399 - over in Counterterrorism. - TENET: Look, 269 00:13:36,482 --> 00:13:39,110 the budget for Counterterrorism last week was what? 270 00:13:39,193 --> 00:13:41,529 $600 million? 271 00:13:41,613 --> 00:13:45,200 The budget this week is whatever you need it to be. 272 00:13:45,283 --> 00:13:48,161 And we are in whatever business it takes to get the job done. 273 00:13:49,328 --> 00:13:51,121 DANIEL: Initially, CIA legal 274 00:13:51,206 --> 00:13:53,625 stated that any facility used to hold detainees 275 00:13:53,707 --> 00:13:56,378 had to meet the requirements of the U.S. Bureau of Prisons, 276 00:13:56,461 --> 00:13:57,605 but then Deputy Director Pavitt 277 00:13:57,629 --> 00:13:58,980 thought that was gonna be too limiting. 278 00:13:59,004 --> 00:14:01,006 So, who came up with the black sites? 279 00:14:01,091 --> 00:14:02,091 Not totally clear. 280 00:14:02,174 --> 00:14:03,759 My guess is either 281 00:14:03,842 --> 00:14:06,554 a senior officer at Counterterr... CTC, 282 00:14:06,638 --> 00:14:08,014 or Alec Station bin Laden unit 283 00:14:08,097 --> 00:14:09,697 decided black sites were the best option. 284 00:14:09,765 --> 00:14:12,686 Well, did the CIA tell the State Department 285 00:14:12,769 --> 00:14:16,480 they were making deals to hold people on foreign soil? 286 00:14:16,565 --> 00:14:19,609 Where was Secretary of State Powell in all this? 287 00:14:19,692 --> 00:14:21,152 Well, I found a memo. 288 00:14:21,235 --> 00:14:24,364 - The CIA's general counsel... - (PAPER RUSTLING) 289 00:14:24,447 --> 00:14:26,115 said the decision was made 290 00:14:26,198 --> 00:14:28,743 not to tell Powell about the program, 291 00:14:28,826 --> 00:14:31,453 because... 292 00:14:31,538 --> 00:14:33,038 "He would blow his stack 293 00:14:33,123 --> 00:14:35,542 if he were to be briefed on what was going on." 294 00:14:37,210 --> 00:14:39,421 Well, who decided that? 295 00:14:39,504 --> 00:14:41,255 Someone inside the White House. 296 00:14:41,338 --> 00:14:42,340 Mm-hmm. 297 00:14:43,424 --> 00:14:45,759 What about interrogations? 298 00:14:45,844 --> 00:14:47,596 President Bush's memoranda 299 00:14:47,678 --> 00:14:49,681 just authorized capturing and detaining. 300 00:14:49,764 --> 00:14:51,850 It didn't say anything about interrogations. 301 00:14:51,932 --> 00:14:54,769 And who gave them permission to play that role? 302 00:14:54,852 --> 00:14:58,731 Nobody. It looks like it started with legal at CTC. 303 00:15:01,650 --> 00:15:04,254 Do you want me to brief Senator McCain on this? I know he's interested. 304 00:15:04,278 --> 00:15:06,990 The Republicans just pulled out of the study, Dan. 305 00:15:09,868 --> 00:15:12,245 (DOOR OPENS) 306 00:15:12,328 --> 00:15:14,413 Good morning. 307 00:15:14,496 --> 00:15:16,457 Where is everybody? 308 00:15:18,543 --> 00:15:21,129 Attorney General Holder opened a criminal investigation 309 00:15:21,211 --> 00:15:22,588 into the CIA. 310 00:15:22,672 --> 00:15:25,133 As a result, the Agency won't allow any of their people 311 00:15:25,216 --> 00:15:26,759 to be interviewed for our report. 312 00:15:26,842 --> 00:15:29,178 The Republicans don't see how we can move forward, 313 00:15:29,261 --> 00:15:30,388 so they're out. 314 00:15:30,471 --> 00:15:31,847 (JULIAN SIGHS) 315 00:15:31,931 --> 00:15:33,390 So, does this mean we stop? 316 00:15:33,475 --> 00:15:35,184 I mean, the committee voted to investigate. 317 00:15:35,268 --> 00:15:36,727 The senator says we keep going. 318 00:15:36,811 --> 00:15:38,706 But we can't actually talk to anyone who was involved 319 00:15:38,730 --> 00:15:40,899 - in the program. - Right. According to CIA legal, 320 00:15:40,981 --> 00:15:43,442 CIA personnel is only speaking to DOJ. 321 00:15:43,525 --> 00:15:45,028 And is DOJ gonna share their findings? 322 00:15:45,110 --> 00:15:46,403 I mean, can we work with them? 323 00:15:46,488 --> 00:15:47,881 I've reached out to the special prosecutor. 324 00:15:47,905 --> 00:15:49,532 I'm waiting to hear back. 325 00:15:49,615 --> 00:15:51,509 Okay, but if nobody who actually worked on the program 326 00:15:51,533 --> 00:15:53,787 is going to talk to us, how do we investigate? 327 00:15:53,870 --> 00:15:55,288 So, we have the files, 328 00:15:55,371 --> 00:15:57,248 their e-mails and cables, their memos. 329 00:15:57,331 --> 00:15:58,957 We have to use their own communications 330 00:15:59,042 --> 00:16:00,250 to tell the story. 331 00:16:00,335 --> 00:16:02,796 Do you have any idea how hard that's gonna be? 332 00:16:02,879 --> 00:16:05,048 The tapes investigation took two years, Dan, 333 00:16:05,130 --> 00:16:08,009 and this is about a lot more than what was on the tapes. 334 00:16:08,092 --> 00:16:11,011 Uh, we don't even know what this is. 335 00:16:11,096 --> 00:16:13,264 Right, but we do know who it starts with. 336 00:16:13,347 --> 00:16:15,725 We go one detainee at a time. 337 00:16:19,687 --> 00:16:21,605 (TYPING) 338 00:16:39,707 --> 00:16:42,168 (JET ENGINE IDLING) 339 00:16:44,546 --> 00:16:46,673 (SPEAKS ARABIC) 340 00:16:46,755 --> 00:16:48,883 (WHIMPERING) 341 00:16:48,966 --> 00:16:49,966 You speak English? 342 00:16:51,469 --> 00:16:53,178 My name is Ali Soufan. I'm with the FBI. 343 00:16:53,263 --> 00:16:54,931 You're under arrest. 344 00:16:55,014 --> 00:16:58,017 - You understand? - No. Where are you taking me? 345 00:17:00,644 --> 00:17:02,020 (DOOR CLOSES) 346 00:17:02,105 --> 00:17:04,231 (LABORED BREATHING) 347 00:17:04,315 --> 00:17:06,859 Your wound is infected. 348 00:17:06,942 --> 00:17:09,069 But we're going to take good care of you. 349 00:17:13,991 --> 00:17:15,701 I want to show you something. 350 00:17:15,785 --> 00:17:16,869 (UNZIPS BAG) 351 00:17:22,291 --> 00:17:23,477 (CHATTER IN ARABIC OVER VIDEO) 352 00:17:23,500 --> 00:17:26,045 He's talking to someone off-screen. 353 00:17:27,588 --> 00:17:30,340 He's calling him Mukhtar. 354 00:17:30,424 --> 00:17:32,218 You know who that is? 355 00:17:32,301 --> 00:17:34,220 (CHATTER OVER VIDEO CONTINUES) 356 00:17:42,519 --> 00:17:44,396 Mukhtar. 357 00:17:51,695 --> 00:17:54,199 - (BUTTON CLICKS, VIDEO STOPS) - A man who lost his mind? 358 00:18:01,623 --> 00:18:03,208 ZUBAYDAH: No, not him. 359 00:18:03,290 --> 00:18:04,834 (SPEAKS ARABIC) 360 00:18:11,423 --> 00:18:13,092 Khalid Sheikh Mohammed? 361 00:18:17,888 --> 00:18:19,598 (ZUBAYDAH GROANS) 362 00:18:41,913 --> 00:18:43,832 Abu Zubaydah confirmed that KSM is the leader 363 00:18:43,914 --> 00:18:46,667 of all Al Qaeda operations outside of Afghanistan. 364 00:18:46,750 --> 00:18:48,044 He trained the hijackers. 365 00:18:48,126 --> 00:18:49,628 We're calling him the mastermind. 366 00:18:49,711 --> 00:18:51,256 TENET: Outstanding. 367 00:18:51,338 --> 00:18:53,340 Hats off to the bin Laden group. 368 00:18:53,423 --> 00:18:55,093 Whichever one of your people did this, 369 00:18:55,175 --> 00:18:57,345 I want to call them and congratulate them in person. 370 00:18:57,427 --> 00:18:59,346 Who was it? 371 00:18:59,430 --> 00:19:01,266 Wasn't our guy. 372 00:19:01,348 --> 00:19:03,183 What? Who got it? 373 00:19:03,268 --> 00:19:05,936 BERNADETTE: FBI is working Zubaydah. 374 00:19:06,019 --> 00:19:07,396 An FBI guy got this? 375 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:09,315 Yes, Ali Soufan. 376 00:19:09,398 --> 00:19:11,233 Uh, they used him in the Cole investigation. 377 00:19:11,317 --> 00:19:13,676 He's part of their counterterrorism group. He speaks Arabic. 378 00:19:13,736 --> 00:19:16,364 I don't care who speaks Arabic. 379 00:19:16,446 --> 00:19:19,116 This is not just a criminal investigation. 380 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:20,868 We are gathering intelligence here. 381 00:19:20,951 --> 00:19:22,369 That is what we do. 382 00:19:22,452 --> 00:19:24,705 The FBI is looking at the past. 383 00:19:24,788 --> 00:19:26,958 We need to stop attacks in the future. 384 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:29,294 I want CIA in the room with this guy, okay? 385 00:19:29,376 --> 00:19:32,337 I want CIA in the room with Zubaydah. 386 00:19:32,422 --> 00:19:34,107 GRETCHEN: So, who do we have who can work on him? 387 00:19:34,132 --> 00:19:35,652 CIA runs sources, people who cooperate. 388 00:19:35,717 --> 00:19:37,134 That's not these guys. 389 00:19:37,218 --> 00:19:39,386 Every second we are not draining the detainee's brain, 390 00:19:39,470 --> 00:19:41,180 we are rolling the dice. 391 00:19:41,263 --> 00:19:42,765 We need our people in the room. 392 00:19:42,848 --> 00:19:45,727 We need to be the ones asking the questions now. 393 00:19:45,809 --> 00:19:48,270 I heard from someone over in Technical Services, 394 00:19:48,354 --> 00:19:50,105 a woman named Miriam, 395 00:19:50,189 --> 00:19:52,817 about a couple of Air Force psychologists 396 00:19:52,901 --> 00:19:56,237 who came in and pitched a whole new approach to interrogations. 397 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:58,615 Jim Mitchell and Bruce Jessen. 398 00:19:58,698 --> 00:20:01,701 Miriam says Mitchell has the special sauce. 399 00:20:01,784 --> 00:20:03,368 (PHONE RINGS IN DISTANCE) 400 00:20:03,452 --> 00:20:06,247 Zubaydah didn't tell us everything, 401 00:20:06,330 --> 00:20:10,042 because we stopped short of where we needed to go. 402 00:20:10,125 --> 00:20:15,757 SERE stands for Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape. 403 00:20:15,839 --> 00:20:20,260 It's a program to help prepare U.S. Special Forces 404 00:20:20,345 --> 00:20:22,638 for whatever they might encounter if captured. 405 00:20:22,721 --> 00:20:26,142 Now, I have over 14,000 hours 406 00:20:26,224 --> 00:20:28,894 observing SERE interrogation techniques. 407 00:20:28,978 --> 00:20:30,980 Bruce here has more than that... 408 00:20:31,064 --> 00:20:32,898 Uh, observing, as opposed to...? 409 00:20:32,981 --> 00:20:35,943 I took a course in conducting interrogations as well. 410 00:20:36,027 --> 00:20:38,820 I worked with volunteers in actual simulations. 411 00:20:38,904 --> 00:20:41,907 We feel we can reverse engineer 412 00:20:41,990 --> 00:20:45,827 these SERE techniques to induce learned helplessness. 413 00:20:45,912 --> 00:20:47,829 EASTMAN: Can you explain what that means, 414 00:20:47,913 --> 00:20:49,874 "reverse engineer"? 415 00:20:49,958 --> 00:20:51,917 Instead of using these techniques 416 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:53,670 to protect our people, 417 00:20:53,752 --> 00:20:57,882 we use them to achieve compliance in the detainees. 418 00:20:57,965 --> 00:21:01,176 Our plan involves, uh, using individual assessments 419 00:21:01,259 --> 00:21:05,973 of detainees to create a program designed to induce 420 00:21:06,057 --> 00:21:09,769 debility, dependency and dread. 421 00:21:09,852 --> 00:21:12,980 - We call these the three "D"s. - Three "D"s. 422 00:21:13,064 --> 00:21:15,066 And there's science to back this up? 423 00:21:15,148 --> 00:21:16,692 MITCHELL: Oh, yes. Yes, sir. 424 00:21:16,776 --> 00:21:18,486 BERNADETTE: Excuse me, Dr. Mitchell. 425 00:21:18,568 --> 00:21:21,530 Can you elaborate on, uh, the techniques you'll be employing? 426 00:21:21,614 --> 00:21:23,031 Absolutely. 427 00:21:25,117 --> 00:21:28,037 The, uh, the attention grasp. 428 00:21:30,248 --> 00:21:31,874 Walling. 429 00:21:31,958 --> 00:21:33,960 Facial hold. 430 00:21:34,042 --> 00:21:38,297 The facial slap or insult slap. 431 00:21:38,381 --> 00:21:40,298 Cramped confinement. 432 00:21:41,843 --> 00:21:44,052 Wall standing. 433 00:21:44,136 --> 00:21:47,222 Stress positions. 434 00:21:47,306 --> 00:21:49,642 Sleep deprivation. 435 00:21:49,726 --> 00:21:51,769 Waterboarding. 436 00:21:51,853 --> 00:21:53,813 Use of insects. 437 00:21:53,895 --> 00:21:56,398 And mock burials. 438 00:21:59,777 --> 00:22:02,029 Well, from my perspective, this seems like it could be 439 00:22:02,113 --> 00:22:05,032 a potential game changer, but, of course... 440 00:22:05,115 --> 00:22:07,076 it's up to Director Rodriguez. 441 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,912 I think if we're serious about stopping the next threat, 442 00:22:09,996 --> 00:22:11,830 we need to put on our big boy pants 443 00:22:11,913 --> 00:22:13,708 and provide the authorities these guys need. 444 00:22:13,790 --> 00:22:18,253 These approaches might... raise some eyebrows at Defense. 445 00:22:18,336 --> 00:22:21,173 Well, we're not at Defense. We're at the CIA. 446 00:22:21,257 --> 00:22:22,633 Besides, you just said, 447 00:22:22,717 --> 00:22:24,676 we use this SERE stuff on our guys all the time. 448 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:26,762 I don't see a problem. 449 00:22:26,846 --> 00:22:28,765 DANIEL: Shortly after the CIA's decision 450 00:22:28,847 --> 00:22:30,974 to engage Dr. Mitchell, Abu Zubaydah was moved 451 00:22:31,058 --> 00:22:33,269 to a cell that was lit 24 hours a day. 452 00:22:33,352 --> 00:22:36,480 Loud noise was fed into his cell to disrupt his sleep. 453 00:22:36,564 --> 00:22:38,441 What about the guy who got him talking? 454 00:22:38,523 --> 00:22:40,151 Ali Soufan? 455 00:22:40,233 --> 00:22:42,111 Wait, he's FBI, not CIA. 456 00:22:42,194 --> 00:22:44,614 So, we can ask him questions, right? 457 00:22:44,697 --> 00:22:47,075 No rule against that. 458 00:22:47,157 --> 00:22:48,617 We can try. 459 00:22:57,835 --> 00:22:59,420 (BIRDS CHIRPING) 460 00:22:59,503 --> 00:23:01,838 SOUFAN: There's only one interrogation technique 461 00:23:01,923 --> 00:23:04,424 THAT WORKS: rapport building. 462 00:23:04,509 --> 00:23:07,260 You get close to these guys, and they open up. 463 00:23:07,345 --> 00:23:09,221 But the CIA didn't believe that. 464 00:23:09,305 --> 00:23:10,890 Just look at Abu Zubaydah. 465 00:23:10,972 --> 00:23:13,101 Well, you got him to talk. How'd you do that? 466 00:23:13,183 --> 00:23:16,269 I walked in one day and played him a tape of himself. 467 00:23:16,354 --> 00:23:18,689 Most of it was of a phone conversation. 468 00:23:18,772 --> 00:23:20,232 Uh, we had tapped his phones. 469 00:23:20,316 --> 00:23:22,652 But he forgot to hang up at the end of the call, 470 00:23:22,734 --> 00:23:25,570 so we had all this background noise of his house. 471 00:23:25,654 --> 00:23:27,573 Then my partner walked in 472 00:23:27,656 --> 00:23:30,117 with a big box full of cassette tapes. 473 00:23:30,201 --> 00:23:32,369 We told him we had bugged his safe house; 474 00:23:32,452 --> 00:23:34,038 we had been listening for months; 475 00:23:34,122 --> 00:23:36,707 we knew everything, so lying was pointless. 476 00:23:36,790 --> 00:23:38,750 He looked at the box full of tapes and... 477 00:23:38,835 --> 00:23:40,211 And all-all the tapes were blank. 478 00:23:40,294 --> 00:23:43,005 Of course they were. But he didn't know that. 479 00:23:43,088 --> 00:23:45,048 So, he talked. 480 00:23:45,133 --> 00:23:48,552 Uh, what happened when the contractors showed up? 481 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,471 Who the fuck is this? 482 00:23:51,556 --> 00:23:53,491 BERNADETTE: Dr. Mitchell is an Air Force psychologist, 483 00:23:53,516 --> 00:23:55,643 and he's developed a new method of interrogation. 484 00:23:55,726 --> 00:23:57,246 SOUFAN: Why-why do we need a new method? 485 00:23:57,269 --> 00:23:59,188 He's not telling you everything. 486 00:23:59,271 --> 00:24:01,398 BERNADETTE: We think he knows more. 487 00:24:01,481 --> 00:24:02,732 We put him at number three 488 00:24:02,817 --> 00:24:04,359 or number four in Al Qaeda leadership. 489 00:24:04,442 --> 00:24:05,546 He probably knows the next move. 490 00:24:05,569 --> 00:24:07,864 Do you speak Arabic, Jim? Does Gary here? 491 00:24:07,946 --> 00:24:09,198 Don't need to. 492 00:24:10,907 --> 00:24:12,535 C-Can I ask you something? 493 00:24:12,617 --> 00:24:16,873 Have you ever interrogated any sort of extremist before? 494 00:24:16,955 --> 00:24:19,959 - Know much about Al Qaeda? - No. 495 00:24:20,041 --> 00:24:22,627 Have you ever interrogated any sort of terrorist before? 496 00:24:22,711 --> 00:24:26,132 - No. - Any sort of criminal? 497 00:24:26,214 --> 00:24:27,592 No. 498 00:24:27,674 --> 00:24:30,344 Have you ever interrogated anyone before? 499 00:24:30,428 --> 00:24:31,679 It's not important. 500 00:24:31,761 --> 00:24:35,807 He's a human; I'm a psychologist. 501 00:24:35,892 --> 00:24:37,643 He knows a secret, 502 00:24:37,727 --> 00:24:42,190 and I'm gonna get him to tell that secret to Gary. 503 00:24:42,272 --> 00:24:44,554 SOUFAN: What-what are you going to do to him that isn't... 504 00:24:44,608 --> 00:24:46,861 MITCHELL: What am I gonna do? 505 00:24:46,943 --> 00:24:48,570 What is Jim gonna do? 506 00:24:48,653 --> 00:24:51,907 Jim's gonna do what works. 507 00:24:51,990 --> 00:24:53,910 (HEAVY METAL MUSIC BLARING) 508 00:24:53,992 --> 00:24:55,994 GUARD 1: Let's go, shitbird! 509 00:24:56,077 --> 00:24:58,288 (ZUBAYDAH PANTING) 510 00:25:00,082 --> 00:25:01,875 GUARD 2: Move it, asshole! 511 00:25:01,959 --> 00:25:03,251 (ZUBAYDAH SHOUTS) 512 00:25:03,336 --> 00:25:04,878 ZUBAYDAH: Help! Please! 513 00:25:04,961 --> 00:25:07,048 (ZUBAYDAH SHOUTING) 514 00:25:07,131 --> 00:25:09,508 (HEAVY METAL MUSIC CONTINUES BLARING) 515 00:25:14,346 --> 00:25:16,807 (CLIPPERS BUZZING) 516 00:25:21,269 --> 00:25:23,064 SOUFAN: You can't just shave a Muslim man. 517 00:25:23,146 --> 00:25:24,267 Do you know what that means? 518 00:25:24,315 --> 00:25:26,525 He's going to shut down. 519 00:25:26,608 --> 00:25:29,153 Got to humiliate him, right off the bat. 520 00:25:29,237 --> 00:25:31,113 Same reason we took away his clothes. 521 00:25:31,196 --> 00:25:32,740 Why the loud music? 522 00:25:32,823 --> 00:25:34,575 Sleep deprivation. 523 00:25:34,659 --> 00:25:37,244 We stop the music when he starts talking. 524 00:25:37,327 --> 00:25:38,913 Then he can sleep. 525 00:25:38,996 --> 00:25:40,580 Tired people tell the truth? 526 00:25:40,664 --> 00:25:42,708 Learned helplessness. 527 00:25:42,791 --> 00:25:45,836 You're familiar with Dr. Martin Seligman? 528 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,381 Seligman did an experiment with dogs. 529 00:25:48,463 --> 00:25:50,298 He put them in a cage 530 00:25:50,383 --> 00:25:52,926 with a barrier running down the middle. 531 00:25:53,009 --> 00:25:54,636 And one side of the cage was electrified 532 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,263 and the other wasn't. 533 00:25:56,346 --> 00:25:58,140 At first, when he shocked the dogs, 534 00:25:58,223 --> 00:26:00,142 they'd jump over the barrier to get away. 535 00:26:00,226 --> 00:26:02,435 And then he electrified both sides. 536 00:26:04,020 --> 00:26:05,439 There was no escape. 537 00:26:07,023 --> 00:26:09,402 No belief they could change anything. 538 00:26:09,484 --> 00:26:13,489 He'd open the door to the cage, they wouldn't even leave. 539 00:26:13,571 --> 00:26:15,031 It's learned helplessness. 540 00:26:15,115 --> 00:26:17,076 That's what we're gonna instill in this man. 541 00:26:17,159 --> 00:26:18,868 You'll see. 542 00:26:20,246 --> 00:26:22,873 (STEADY HAMMERING) 543 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,627 SOUFAN: A coffin? You're gonna kill him? 544 00:26:27,711 --> 00:26:29,922 Let's call it a confinement box. 545 00:26:30,006 --> 00:26:32,758 I got this one, and I got a smaller one. 546 00:26:32,842 --> 00:26:35,510 And you're gonna put him in there? 547 00:26:35,594 --> 00:26:40,598 With these, which, based on my evaluation, he hates. 548 00:26:40,682 --> 00:26:42,393 Are you out of your mind? 549 00:26:43,394 --> 00:26:44,979 - We don't do this. - (HAMMERING) 550 00:26:45,061 --> 00:26:46,521 You know this is against the law. 551 00:26:46,605 --> 00:26:49,150 The most senior people have signed off on it. 552 00:26:49,232 --> 00:26:50,734 We're putting him on trial. 553 00:26:50,817 --> 00:26:52,903 How are we gonna build a case against him? 554 00:26:54,113 --> 00:26:56,615 Who says he's getting a trial? 555 00:26:58,491 --> 00:27:01,619 SOUFAN: I wanted to arrest him right there on the spot. 556 00:27:01,703 --> 00:27:04,123 - I told the Bureau that. - What'd they say? 557 00:27:04,205 --> 00:27:06,000 They briefed Director Mueller, 558 00:27:06,083 --> 00:27:09,170 and told me to get the hell out of there, so I did. 559 00:27:09,252 --> 00:27:11,963 - When was that? - Late May, mid-May or... 560 00:27:12,048 --> 00:27:14,592 'Cause I'm finding records that say that Mitchell left 561 00:27:14,674 --> 00:27:16,551 a little while later, early June, 562 00:27:16,634 --> 00:27:20,181 for R & R and some meetings at headquarters. 563 00:27:20,263 --> 00:27:22,849 But we had one high-value detainee in custody, 564 00:27:22,932 --> 00:27:24,434 Abu Zubaydah. 565 00:27:24,518 --> 00:27:27,063 And after Mitchell left, the CIA put him in isolation, 566 00:27:27,145 --> 00:27:29,815 and didn't ask him a single question for 47 days. 567 00:27:31,567 --> 00:27:33,527 Are you fucking kidding me? 568 00:27:33,611 --> 00:27:35,738 The whole country was on red alert that summer. 569 00:27:35,820 --> 00:27:37,740 If they were so concerned about the next attack, 570 00:27:37,823 --> 00:27:39,092 why'd they stop asking questions? 571 00:27:39,115 --> 00:27:40,395 Right, it doesn't make any sense. 572 00:27:40,451 --> 00:27:42,452 Once the psychologist showed up, 573 00:27:42,536 --> 00:27:44,204 almost nothing did anymore. 574 00:27:51,461 --> 00:27:53,631 DANIEL: The CIA said Zubaydah was involved 575 00:27:53,713 --> 00:27:55,758 in every major terrorist operation 576 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,134 carried out by Al Qaeda. 577 00:27:57,218 --> 00:27:58,635 They told the president 578 00:27:58,719 --> 00:28:00,238 he was number three or four in the organization. 579 00:28:00,261 --> 00:28:02,722 Yes, that was my understanding as well. 580 00:28:02,807 --> 00:28:04,974 And the claim that Zubaydah was a major player 581 00:28:05,058 --> 00:28:07,499 was the main justification they gave to the Justice Department 582 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,020 for needing to go harder. 583 00:28:09,105 --> 00:28:10,915 They were certain he knew about the next attack. 584 00:28:10,940 --> 00:28:12,566 But last night I found this. 585 00:28:13,983 --> 00:28:16,487 Turns out Zubaydah wasn't three or four in the organization. 586 00:28:16,569 --> 00:28:18,823 He wasn't part of Al Qaeda leadership at all. 587 00:28:18,905 --> 00:28:20,950 They only had one source calling him that, 588 00:28:21,032 --> 00:28:23,326 and that source later admitted he was lying. 589 00:28:23,411 --> 00:28:26,079 So, they exaggerated who he was 590 00:28:26,163 --> 00:28:28,707 to the president and the Department of Justice 591 00:28:28,790 --> 00:28:32,127 in order to get legal approvals for these new techniques? 592 00:28:32,211 --> 00:28:33,671 Is that what you're saying? 593 00:28:33,753 --> 00:28:36,423 I think that's a possibility. 594 00:28:36,507 --> 00:28:38,217 The program really starts with him. 595 00:28:39,009 --> 00:28:41,846 (BOARD BANGS LOUDLY) 596 00:28:42,930 --> 00:28:45,223 Have you guys used this thing before? 597 00:28:45,307 --> 00:28:47,476 The waterboard? 598 00:28:47,559 --> 00:28:49,269 No, it's a Navy thing. 599 00:28:49,353 --> 00:28:51,063 But we watched a video. 600 00:28:51,146 --> 00:28:52,647 We tested it on each other, 601 00:28:52,730 --> 00:28:55,276 just to get a feel for the experience. 602 00:28:55,358 --> 00:28:57,027 Is it safe? 603 00:28:58,612 --> 00:28:59,864 Yes. 604 00:29:05,243 --> 00:29:07,288 (HEAVY METAL MUSIC BLARING) 605 00:29:07,371 --> 00:29:09,457 ♪ Monarch to the kingdom of the dead... ♪ 606 00:29:09,539 --> 00:29:11,333 (ZUBAYDAH GRUNTING) 607 00:29:11,416 --> 00:29:14,044 MITCHELL (OVER TV): Who are the operatives inside the U.S.? 608 00:29:14,127 --> 00:29:15,503 ZUBAYDAH (SOBS): I don't know! 609 00:29:15,587 --> 00:29:17,964 - (HEAVY METAL MUSIC BLARING) - ♪ Infamous... ♪ 610 00:29:18,048 --> 00:29:20,049 (ZUBAYDAH GRUNTING) 611 00:29:20,134 --> 00:29:21,676 MITCHELL: When is the next attack? 612 00:29:21,759 --> 00:29:22,760 ZUBAYDAH: I don't know. 613 00:29:22,845 --> 00:29:25,221 (ZUBAYDAH SOBBING, PLEADING) 614 00:29:27,641 --> 00:29:29,977 (ZUBAYDAH PANTING) 615 00:29:30,059 --> 00:29:31,311 (CHOKING, GASPING) 616 00:29:31,394 --> 00:29:35,607 JESSEN: One, two, three, four, five, 617 00:29:35,691 --> 00:29:40,237 six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 618 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,948 - 12, 13, 14, - (ZUBAYDAH CONTINUES GASPING) 619 00:29:43,031 --> 00:29:46,451 15, 16, 17, 18, 620 00:29:46,535 --> 00:29:50,038 19, 20, 21, 22, 621 00:29:50,122 --> 00:29:54,835 23, 24, 25, 26. 622 00:29:54,919 --> 00:29:58,130 (GASPING VIOLENTLY, COUGHING) 623 00:30:01,842 --> 00:30:04,553 MITCHELL: When is the next attack? 624 00:30:04,636 --> 00:30:07,472 Who are the operatives inside the U.S.? 625 00:30:07,556 --> 00:30:09,391 (ZUBAYDAH GASPING, COUGHING) 626 00:30:11,894 --> 00:30:13,854 Anything in that bag contain the real names 627 00:30:13,938 --> 00:30:16,147 of CIA officers, assets or partners, 628 00:30:16,231 --> 00:30:18,608 or any information that would violate the agreement between 629 00:30:18,692 --> 00:30:21,569 the Central Intelligence Agency and the United States Senate? 630 00:30:21,653 --> 00:30:23,489 - All good. - All right, good night. 631 00:30:23,571 --> 00:30:25,240 - Have a good night, Jay. - Get home safe. 632 00:30:25,324 --> 00:30:27,409 Good night. 633 00:30:27,492 --> 00:30:29,452 (CRICKETS CHIRPING) 634 00:30:40,838 --> 00:30:42,799 (CAR ALARM CHIRPS) 635 00:30:42,883 --> 00:30:45,051 Dan Jones? 636 00:30:48,263 --> 00:30:49,722 Do I know you? 637 00:30:49,807 --> 00:30:51,892 No, but I think I can help you. 638 00:30:51,976 --> 00:30:54,936 - Help-help me with what? - The EIT program. 639 00:30:55,019 --> 00:30:57,105 That's what you're looking into, isn't it? 640 00:30:59,775 --> 00:31:03,153 I need to know I won't be named, anywhere. 641 00:31:03,237 --> 00:31:05,029 I'm still with the Agency. 642 00:31:05,114 --> 00:31:08,701 My even being here with you, talking, is... 643 00:31:12,496 --> 00:31:13,872 What was your involvement? 644 00:31:13,955 --> 00:31:17,542 Office of Medical Services, black sites. 645 00:31:17,625 --> 00:31:20,712 - So, you're a doctor? - Physician's assistant. 646 00:31:20,796 --> 00:31:22,338 The American Medical Association 647 00:31:22,423 --> 00:31:23,882 won't allow doctors to be involved. 648 00:31:23,965 --> 00:31:26,301 THEY TAKE AN OATH: do no harm. 649 00:31:26,384 --> 00:31:28,554 We're the next best thing. 650 00:31:28,636 --> 00:31:31,222 I was there when the contractors arrived. 651 00:31:33,308 --> 00:31:35,685 They made tapes of the Abu Zubaydah interrogations, 652 00:31:35,769 --> 00:31:37,186 but there's a 21-hour period 653 00:31:37,270 --> 00:31:39,230 where the transcripts are missing... nothing. 654 00:31:39,315 --> 00:31:41,025 They were using the waterboard. 655 00:31:41,107 --> 00:31:43,027 Zubaydah lost consciousness. 656 00:31:43,109 --> 00:31:45,278 He was choking to death, drowning. 657 00:31:45,362 --> 00:31:47,155 Not just thinking he was drowning, 658 00:31:47,239 --> 00:31:48,990 he was actually fucking drowning. 659 00:31:50,909 --> 00:31:52,661 I was told that the waterboard 660 00:31:52,744 --> 00:31:54,913 was only gonna be used as a last resort. 661 00:31:54,997 --> 00:31:57,249 The contractors did an assessment of the prisoner, 662 00:31:57,333 --> 00:31:59,460 - and they made a call... - What kind of assessment? 663 00:31:59,542 --> 00:32:01,377 Th-They bounced him off the walls a few times 664 00:32:01,461 --> 00:32:03,963 and then strapped him down and poured water down his throat. 665 00:32:04,048 --> 00:32:05,965 We understand this is a different approach, 666 00:32:06,049 --> 00:32:08,218 - but it's based on science. - Science? 667 00:32:08,301 --> 00:32:09,928 Oh, come on. What science? 668 00:32:10,011 --> 00:32:12,156 - Have you seen their science? - They believe the waterboard 669 00:32:12,181 --> 00:32:13,575 is working here to create compliance. 670 00:32:13,598 --> 00:32:14,849 Well, of course they do. 671 00:32:14,932 --> 00:32:17,019 They're the ones who get to decide when it's used. 672 00:32:17,102 --> 00:32:19,771 And they're also the ones who get to decide if it's working. 673 00:32:19,855 --> 00:32:21,440 How is that even ethical? 674 00:32:21,522 --> 00:32:23,608 The people we're dealing with weaponized daily life. 675 00:32:23,692 --> 00:32:26,153 Would you like to talk about the ethics of that? 676 00:32:27,070 --> 00:32:28,404 We're here to make sure 677 00:32:28,489 --> 00:32:30,949 that nothing like that ever happens again. 678 00:32:31,032 --> 00:32:32,451 They're training their people 679 00:32:32,534 --> 00:32:33,845 to resist traditional interrogations 680 00:32:33,868 --> 00:32:35,148 in the back of a cave somewhere. 681 00:32:35,203 --> 00:32:37,455 So we need to change our approach 682 00:32:37,538 --> 00:32:41,626 before another bomb goes off or another building falls down. 683 00:32:41,710 --> 00:32:43,295 Okay, okay. 684 00:32:43,378 --> 00:32:47,132 What is gonna happen when one of our soldiers gets captured 685 00:32:47,215 --> 00:32:49,884 and takes out a card with the Geneva Convention on it 686 00:32:49,968 --> 00:32:52,346 and wants to be treated like a human being? 687 00:32:52,429 --> 00:32:54,972 You think his captors aren't gonna remember 688 00:32:55,057 --> 00:32:56,974 the way these people were treated here? 689 00:32:57,058 --> 00:33:00,061 - And for what? - Do you have a kid at home? 690 00:33:02,897 --> 00:33:05,817 We're not gonna get beat again. 691 00:33:05,901 --> 00:33:07,152 Besides the chief of station, 692 00:33:07,236 --> 00:33:09,445 did you report your concerns up the chain of command? 693 00:33:09,529 --> 00:33:12,199 We got a cable from Director Rodriguez 694 00:33:12,281 --> 00:33:15,326 telling us to stop putting our objections in writing. 695 00:33:15,411 --> 00:33:17,578 No paper trail. 696 00:33:17,663 --> 00:33:20,833 I told them if they were gonna keep using the new techniques, 697 00:33:20,915 --> 00:33:22,750 I wanted out. 698 00:33:22,835 --> 00:33:25,503 I wasn't the only one. Guys were choking up. 699 00:33:25,586 --> 00:33:27,923 (CAR ALARM CHIRPS IN DISTANCE) 700 00:33:28,006 --> 00:33:30,550 - It's all in the e-mails. - (CAR DOOR CLOSES IN DISTANCE) 701 00:33:34,930 --> 00:33:37,057 DANIEL: As early as November 2001, 702 00:33:37,141 --> 00:33:40,144 the CIA's legal team circulated a memorandum 703 00:33:40,227 --> 00:33:41,769 describing a novel legal defense 704 00:33:41,854 --> 00:33:44,105 for their officers who might engage in torture. 705 00:33:44,189 --> 00:33:46,733 Come on. They actually called it torture? 706 00:33:46,817 --> 00:33:48,277 The CIA? 707 00:33:48,359 --> 00:33:50,403 They just forgot we have laws against that? 708 00:33:50,487 --> 00:33:52,780 Yes, sir. Mitchell and Jessen renamed it 709 00:33:52,865 --> 00:33:54,741 "enhanced interrogation" to help sell it, 710 00:33:54,825 --> 00:33:56,617 but the Agency was talking about doing it 711 00:33:56,701 --> 00:33:58,327 before they even had a single detainee. 712 00:33:59,621 --> 00:34:01,789 MY QUESTION, SENATOR, IS: How did the CIA know 713 00:34:01,874 --> 00:34:03,666 they needed to torture prisoners 714 00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:05,877 before they even had one? 715 00:34:05,961 --> 00:34:07,796 That didn't come from Cheney and Addington? 716 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:09,757 Seems like it happened the other way around. 717 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,760 The CIA took it to the Bush White House 718 00:34:12,842 --> 00:34:14,802 and John Yoo at the Office of Legal Counsel. 719 00:34:14,887 --> 00:34:16,472 YOO: So, here's where we're at. 720 00:34:16,554 --> 00:34:19,807 The crime of torture, as described in Section 2340, 721 00:34:19,891 --> 00:34:23,478 requires that the defendant... In this case, an interrogator... 722 00:34:23,561 --> 00:34:26,690 Intends to cause severe pain or suffering. 723 00:34:26,773 --> 00:34:29,693 But in this case, that's not the interrogator's intent. 724 00:34:29,777 --> 00:34:32,945 Right. The intent is to gain intel, save American lives. 725 00:34:33,030 --> 00:34:35,782 RIZZO: But, John, what if the techniques 726 00:34:35,865 --> 00:34:37,534 the interrogator employs do nonetheless 727 00:34:37,617 --> 00:34:39,161 cause pain and suffering? 728 00:34:39,244 --> 00:34:40,788 How do we deal with that? 729 00:34:40,871 --> 00:34:43,873 Well, the key phrase is "severe pain or suffering." 730 00:34:43,956 --> 00:34:46,460 But 2340 never actually defines the term "severe." 731 00:34:46,543 --> 00:34:49,630 We found this definition in a Medicare statute. 732 00:34:49,713 --> 00:34:51,340 SEVERE PAIN OR SUFFERING: 733 00:34:51,422 --> 00:34:55,427 "acute symptoms that place the individual in serious jeopardy 734 00:34:55,510 --> 00:34:57,721 - "and are hard to endure." - Meaning? 735 00:34:57,804 --> 00:35:00,014 To constitute torture, 736 00:35:00,097 --> 00:35:04,728 the damage done must rise to the level of organ failure, 737 00:35:04,811 --> 00:35:09,023 impairment of bodily function, or death. 738 00:35:09,106 --> 00:35:11,568 So, basically, if someone dies, we're doing it wrong? 739 00:35:11,652 --> 00:35:13,570 If the president deemed it necessary 740 00:35:13,653 --> 00:35:16,532 to... crush the testicles of a child 741 00:35:16,614 --> 00:35:18,617 to stop a plane from crashing into a building, 742 00:35:18,699 --> 00:35:19,992 to save American lives, 743 00:35:20,077 --> 00:35:22,954 there is no law or treaty that could stop him. 744 00:35:23,038 --> 00:35:25,748 I can make the same argument for 745 00:35:25,833 --> 00:35:29,043 gouging out a prisoner's eyes or dousing him with acid. 746 00:35:30,128 --> 00:35:31,505 In our opinion, 747 00:35:31,588 --> 00:35:36,802 if it provides unique intelligence that saves lives, 748 00:35:36,885 --> 00:35:39,012 and doesn't cause any lasting harm, 749 00:35:39,096 --> 00:35:41,222 then it's legal for the president to order it. 750 00:35:41,306 --> 00:35:43,432 What do we mean when we say "unique"? 751 00:35:43,516 --> 00:35:46,143 Intelligence that couldn't have been obtained any other way. 752 00:35:48,981 --> 00:35:51,358 And you've discussed all of this 753 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,235 with the White House, I assume? 754 00:35:53,318 --> 00:35:54,695 WHITEHOUSE: And? 755 00:35:54,777 --> 00:35:57,614 Did they tell Bush what they were gonna do to Zubaydah? 756 00:35:57,697 --> 00:35:59,634 - DANIEL: No. - And National Security Advisor Rice... 757 00:35:59,657 --> 00:36:01,760 - Where was she in all this? - National Security Advisor Rice 758 00:36:01,784 --> 00:36:04,204 was told about the program, but she was also told 759 00:36:04,288 --> 00:36:06,664 the president would not be briefed. 760 00:36:06,748 --> 00:36:08,791 Who tells the president's national security advisor 761 00:36:08,876 --> 00:36:10,835 not to brief the president? 762 00:36:12,336 --> 00:36:14,755 Cheney and Addington. 763 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,260 According to CIA records, Bush wasn't told about the program 764 00:36:18,342 --> 00:36:23,222 until April of 2006, four years later. 765 00:36:27,561 --> 00:36:29,228 And the records we found state 766 00:36:29,313 --> 00:36:32,815 that when the president was finally told about the program, 767 00:36:32,900 --> 00:36:36,235 he expressed discomfort with the image of a detainee 768 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:37,920 chained to the ceiling, wearing a diaper, 769 00:36:37,987 --> 00:36:40,615 and forced to go to the bathroom on himself. 770 00:36:40,699 --> 00:36:44,577 How long till you can get this thing done, Dan? 771 00:36:44,661 --> 00:36:46,663 We've got to get this out. 772 00:36:52,085 --> 00:36:54,795 What about this guy, Gul Rahman? 773 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,340 Captured in Peshawar, November 2002. 774 00:36:57,423 --> 00:37:00,594 He's not at Gitmo. He's-he's not anywhere. 775 00:37:06,141 --> 00:37:07,893 DANIEL: Gul Rahman. 776 00:37:07,976 --> 00:37:09,728 Gul... 777 00:37:09,811 --> 00:37:12,606 No. They didn't tell the committee about him. 778 00:37:12,688 --> 00:37:15,275 He's detainee number 24. 779 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:22,782 OFFICER 1: HQ says he knows 780 00:37:22,865 --> 00:37:25,786 operational detail about Al Qaeda. 781 00:37:25,869 --> 00:37:27,496 The guy's an asshole. 782 00:37:27,579 --> 00:37:30,206 Threw his food at us, he threatened to kill the guards. 783 00:37:30,289 --> 00:37:34,168 I've asked headquarters to approve the application 784 00:37:34,251 --> 00:37:36,963 of the enhanced measures for this detainee, 785 00:37:37,047 --> 00:37:38,715 and the request has been approved. 786 00:37:38,798 --> 00:37:42,219 - Oh, great. We haven't had any luck loosening him up. - Mm. 787 00:37:42,302 --> 00:37:43,844 - Come on! - (MEN GRUNTING) 788 00:37:43,929 --> 00:37:45,447 OFFICER 2: Ran him up and down the hall, 789 00:37:45,472 --> 00:37:47,849 beat the crap out of him... Nothing. 790 00:37:47,932 --> 00:37:52,228 Even been trying this thing they call short shackling. 791 00:37:52,311 --> 00:37:54,563 Chain a dude's hands to a bolt on the floor. 792 00:37:54,648 --> 00:37:56,233 (HEAVY METAL MUSIC BLARING) 793 00:37:56,315 --> 00:37:58,777 Then you chain his feet to the same bolt. 794 00:37:58,860 --> 00:38:01,570 Farmers call it hog-tying, I think. 795 00:38:01,655 --> 00:38:04,115 He finally admitted to something. 796 00:38:04,199 --> 00:38:05,449 What was that? 797 00:38:05,534 --> 00:38:09,621 THAT HE WAS WHO WE SAID HE WAS: Gul Rahman. 798 00:38:11,914 --> 00:38:17,336 What you want to do first is take away his sense of control. 799 00:38:17,420 --> 00:38:19,840 If you like, I could spend some time showing you 800 00:38:19,922 --> 00:38:23,010 how to achieve this with the enhanced techniques. 801 00:38:24,594 --> 00:38:25,887 Great. 802 00:38:25,971 --> 00:38:29,141 We got another 30 guys here to deal with. 803 00:38:29,224 --> 00:38:30,851 (HEAVY METAL MUSIC BLARING) 804 00:38:30,934 --> 00:38:34,603 I heard you told the doctor you were cold. 805 00:38:34,688 --> 00:38:37,773 (RAHMAN SCREAMING) 806 00:38:37,858 --> 00:38:39,233 ♪ The beautiful people ♪ 807 00:38:39,317 --> 00:38:41,193 - ♪ The beautiful people ♪ - ♪ Ah ♪ 808 00:38:41,277 --> 00:38:42,778 ♪ The beautiful people ♪ 809 00:38:42,862 --> 00:38:44,172 - ♪ The beautiful people ♪ - ♪ Ah... ♪ 810 00:38:44,197 --> 00:38:46,574 (FOOTSTEPS APPROACHING) 811 00:38:46,657 --> 00:38:48,827 (PHONE RINGING) 812 00:38:53,081 --> 00:38:55,416 Senator, do you have a few minutes this morning? 813 00:38:55,500 --> 00:38:58,295 FEINSTEIN: Absolutely. Come on in, Dan. 814 00:38:58,378 --> 00:39:00,963 SECRETARY: The senator is needed on the floor for a vote. 815 00:39:01,047 --> 00:39:02,882 MORRIS: Uh, give her five minutes. 816 00:39:04,550 --> 00:39:06,927 FEINSTEIN: Did you sleep last night, Dan? 817 00:39:10,056 --> 00:39:12,309 Uh, Senator, a prisoner died. 818 00:39:12,391 --> 00:39:14,077 - (HEAVY METAL MUSIC BLARING) - ♪ There's no time ♪ 819 00:39:14,101 --> 00:39:16,771 ♪ To discriminate, hate every motherfucker ♪ 820 00:39:16,855 --> 00:39:18,065 ♪ That's in your... ♪ 821 00:39:18,148 --> 00:39:20,608 Gul Rahman. 822 00:39:20,692 --> 00:39:23,070 They thought he was maybe working for an Afghan warlord 823 00:39:23,152 --> 00:39:24,987 or that he knew something about an attack. 824 00:39:25,072 --> 00:39:26,864 - Did he? - No, he died before they found out 825 00:39:26,947 --> 00:39:28,824 anything besides his name. 826 00:39:28,909 --> 00:39:30,409 Dumped cold water on him one night 827 00:39:30,494 --> 00:39:32,411 and found him dead in his cell in the morning. 828 00:39:32,496 --> 00:39:33,996 The autopsy said hypothermia. 829 00:39:34,081 --> 00:39:37,250 - Where did you get this from? - Inspector general's report. 830 00:39:37,333 --> 00:39:41,713 CIA did their own investigation into the death of Gul Rahman. 831 00:39:43,882 --> 00:39:45,592 The officer in charge was recommended 832 00:39:45,675 --> 00:39:47,260 for a performance bonus. 833 00:39:47,344 --> 00:39:48,594 They promoted him. 834 00:39:48,677 --> 00:39:50,679 He's still out there in the field. 835 00:39:55,101 --> 00:39:58,813 Well, are you accusing the CIA of murder, Dan? 836 00:40:00,690 --> 00:40:03,025 Because that sounds like where this is going. 837 00:40:03,110 --> 00:40:04,902 We have proof the deputy director 838 00:40:04,985 --> 00:40:08,030 coached the officer in charge how to cover up what happened, 839 00:40:08,114 --> 00:40:10,534 told him to be careful what he put in writing. 840 00:40:12,119 --> 00:40:13,869 So, why would they need to cover it up 841 00:40:13,954 --> 00:40:15,994 if they were following standard operating procedure? 842 00:40:16,998 --> 00:40:18,541 Why didn't they tell the committee? 843 00:40:18,625 --> 00:40:20,876 Why didn't they tell you? 844 00:40:25,047 --> 00:40:27,550 I'm gonna need to review all this personally. 845 00:40:29,135 --> 00:40:30,554 It's very disconcerting. 846 00:40:37,101 --> 00:40:38,978 (DOOR CLOSES) 847 00:40:39,061 --> 00:40:41,606 "Disconcerting"? "Very disconcerting"? 848 00:40:41,690 --> 00:40:43,358 Dan, you need to be careful here. 849 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,860 You're getting emotionally involved. 850 00:40:45,943 --> 00:40:48,989 They fucking killed a guy, and nobody was held accountable? 851 00:40:50,574 --> 00:40:52,324 W-We don't know he was a terrorist. 852 00:40:52,409 --> 00:40:55,286 - We barely even know his name. - I understand. 853 00:40:55,369 --> 00:40:57,164 And what you need to understand is that 854 00:40:57,246 --> 00:41:00,166 her name is going on this report, not yours. 855 00:41:00,250 --> 00:41:02,103 Senate staff doesn't have to run for reelection, 856 00:41:02,126 --> 00:41:03,545 but she does. 857 00:41:03,628 --> 00:41:06,882 Their legal argument said EITs wouldn't cause lasting harm. 858 00:41:06,965 --> 00:41:09,717 So how long is Gul Rahman gonna be dead for? 859 00:41:19,268 --> 00:41:21,521 Are you guys seeing this Panetta review? 860 00:41:21,605 --> 00:41:23,190 It just showed up. 861 00:41:25,065 --> 00:41:26,443 JULIAN: I don't understand. 862 00:41:26,525 --> 00:41:29,362 Looks like the CIA did their own investigation. 863 00:41:29,445 --> 00:41:32,032 It confirms everything we've been finding. 864 00:41:37,286 --> 00:41:41,333 APRIL: So, what are you gonna do with it? 865 00:41:41,416 --> 00:41:43,376 DANIEL: Hopefully, nothing. 866 00:41:43,460 --> 00:41:45,670 Special Prosecutor Durham, please? 867 00:41:45,753 --> 00:41:48,422 I've already left several messages. 868 00:41:48,505 --> 00:41:50,634 It's Dan Jones again from the Intelligence Committee. 869 00:41:50,717 --> 00:41:51,967 How are you? 870 00:41:52,052 --> 00:41:54,346 Good. I just wanted to check in again to see 871 00:41:54,429 --> 00:41:56,014 if the special prosecutor is available 872 00:41:56,097 --> 00:41:57,599 to meet on the CIA probe. 873 00:41:59,059 --> 00:42:01,936 It can be off the record. I just want to compare notes. 874 00:42:04,521 --> 00:42:06,315 Yeah, same number. Thank you. 875 00:42:10,445 --> 00:42:12,215 MARC THIESSEN (OVER TV): You know, we got to think back 876 00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:13,364 to the period after 9/11. 877 00:42:13,447 --> 00:42:14,907 We didn't even know who hit us. 878 00:42:14,990 --> 00:42:16,344 We didn't know that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was 879 00:42:16,367 --> 00:42:17,661 the mastermind of 9/11 880 00:42:17,744 --> 00:42:19,344 or the operational commander of Al Qaeda. 881 00:42:19,411 --> 00:42:20,931 And then we started rounding up these terrorists. 882 00:42:20,956 --> 00:42:22,206 We caught Abu Zubaydah. 883 00:42:22,289 --> 00:42:24,291 We caught, uh, Ramzi bin al-Shibh and KSM. 884 00:42:24,376 --> 00:42:26,795 And these guys provided us information under questioning 885 00:42:26,878 --> 00:42:30,257 by the CIA that stopped a number of terrorist attacks. 886 00:42:30,340 --> 00:42:31,800 They were pl-planning to blow up 887 00:42:31,882 --> 00:42:33,443 the U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan. 888 00:42:33,467 --> 00:42:35,070 - JULIAN: Shit. - They were planning to blow up 889 00:42:35,094 --> 00:42:36,295 our Marine camp in Djibouti... 890 00:42:42,559 --> 00:42:44,561 - Good morning. - Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was 891 00:42:44,646 --> 00:42:49,400 indicted in New York for trying to blow up airplanes in 1995. 892 00:42:49,483 --> 00:42:50,902 The CIA already knew about him. 893 00:42:50,985 --> 00:42:52,653 They knew he was close to bin Laden. 894 00:42:52,737 --> 00:42:54,340 They knew about him before Zubaydah ever identified him. 895 00:42:54,364 --> 00:42:55,739 How long have you been here? 896 00:42:55,824 --> 00:42:57,664 Also, according to this cable... A few hours... 897 00:42:57,742 --> 00:42:59,244 A CIA officer in Islamabad 898 00:42:59,327 --> 00:43:01,204 began working someone they call Asset X. 899 00:43:01,288 --> 00:43:04,873 X claimed to have direct access to KSM, 900 00:43:04,958 --> 00:43:07,293 but was eventually turned away when he asked for money. 901 00:43:08,378 --> 00:43:10,755 - How much money? - Few thousand bucks. 902 00:43:10,838 --> 00:43:13,132 Two years later, after they've been putting him off, 903 00:43:13,215 --> 00:43:15,510 putting him off, putting him off, they finally pay him, 904 00:43:15,592 --> 00:43:17,094 and almost immediately he sends a text 905 00:43:17,177 --> 00:43:19,639 TO HIS CIA HANDLER SAYING: "I'm with KSM." 906 00:43:19,722 --> 00:43:22,224 It had nothing to do with the waterboard. 907 00:43:22,309 --> 00:43:24,893 - Good morning. - Good morning. 908 00:43:41,161 --> 00:43:43,829 - ("YANKEE DOODLE" BLARING) - JESSEN: One, two, three, 909 00:43:43,913 --> 00:43:46,081 - four, five, six... - (MOHAMMED CHOKING) 910 00:43:46,166 --> 00:43:48,626 MITCHELL: Who are you working with in the U.S.? 911 00:43:48,710 --> 00:43:51,838 JESSEN: seven, eight, nine, 10, 11... 912 00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:53,882 We have your kids! 913 00:43:53,965 --> 00:43:56,550 - 12, 13, 14, 15, - ♪ Yankee Doodle, keep it up ♪ 914 00:43:56,634 --> 00:43:58,510 - 16, 17... - ♪ Yankee Doodle dandy... ♪ 915 00:43:58,594 --> 00:44:01,264 It will stop if you talk! 916 00:44:01,347 --> 00:44:04,559 ♪ And with the girls be handy, Yankee Doodle... ♪ 917 00:44:04,641 --> 00:44:06,769 Where is the next attack? 918 00:44:06,853 --> 00:44:08,164 (MUFFLED): Canary Wharf! Canary Wharf! 919 00:44:08,188 --> 00:44:09,938 ♪ Stuck a feather in ♪ 920 00:44:10,023 --> 00:44:11,608 (FAINTLY): ♪ His hat and called it... ♪ 921 00:44:11,690 --> 00:44:12,918 BERNADETTE: Okay, here's the problem. 922 00:44:12,942 --> 00:44:14,527 We already know about 923 00:44:14,610 --> 00:44:16,737 the Heathrow and Canary Wharf plots. 924 00:44:16,820 --> 00:44:19,407 He knows that. It's in his goddamn notebook. 925 00:44:19,490 --> 00:44:21,701 We asked about plots in the U.S., not London. 926 00:44:21,784 --> 00:44:24,119 - He's fucking with you again. - JESSEN: To be honest, 927 00:44:24,204 --> 00:44:27,164 I've never met a resistor like this guy. 928 00:44:27,248 --> 00:44:28,750 He's a super resistor. 929 00:44:28,833 --> 00:44:30,501 He lied to you to make you stop. 930 00:44:30,585 --> 00:44:32,730 GRETCHEN: He just tells us shit he knows we already have. 931 00:44:32,753 --> 00:44:34,088 That's all he does. 932 00:44:34,172 --> 00:44:36,715 MITCHELL: Then that's what we're learning. 933 00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,387 That's what the waterboard is giving us. 934 00:44:41,971 --> 00:44:44,724 We now know he's lying. 935 00:44:44,807 --> 00:44:46,851 I thought it was meant to give us the truth. 936 00:44:46,934 --> 00:44:50,855 And... the truth is he's lying. 937 00:44:58,195 --> 00:45:01,199 Headquarters says we go again. 938 00:45:02,492 --> 00:45:04,159 DANIEL: The chief of interrogations 939 00:45:04,244 --> 00:45:06,579 ordered the rectal rehydration of KSM, 940 00:45:06,663 --> 00:45:08,414 not for health reasons, 941 00:45:08,498 --> 00:45:10,791 but as a way of showing total control over the detainee. 942 00:45:10,875 --> 00:45:13,753 Even though rectal rehydration was never 943 00:45:13,836 --> 00:45:15,731 - an approved technique. - (MOHAMMED GRUNTING IN PAIN) 944 00:45:15,755 --> 00:45:17,650 Total control isn't chaining the guy to the wall, 945 00:45:17,673 --> 00:45:19,568 keeping him awake for days, and threatening his family? 946 00:45:19,592 --> 00:45:21,219 You need to shove a tube up his ass? 947 00:45:21,302 --> 00:45:22,905 - (MONITOR BEEPING) - MITCHELL: This right here 948 00:45:22,929 --> 00:45:24,472 is the rest of your life 949 00:45:24,556 --> 00:45:26,599 - unless you start telling the truth. - (GAGGING) 950 00:45:26,682 --> 00:45:28,244 Then they went back to waterboarding him. 951 00:45:28,268 --> 00:45:29,911 "When a medical officer pressed on KSM's..." 952 00:45:29,936 --> 00:45:31,563 - Wait. Where are you? - Next page. 953 00:45:31,646 --> 00:45:33,648 "When a medical officer pressed on KSM's abdomen, 954 00:45:33,731 --> 00:45:35,692 he expressed water from his mouth and nose." 955 00:45:35,775 --> 00:45:37,693 So, he was swallowing all the water. 956 00:45:37,777 --> 00:45:39,027 DANIEL: "On March 17th", 957 00:45:39,112 --> 00:45:40,864 the waterboard technique began to evolve." 958 00:45:40,947 --> 00:45:43,240 (MUFFLED SHOUT) 959 00:45:43,324 --> 00:45:45,242 Interrogators used their hands to maintain 960 00:45:45,326 --> 00:45:48,246 a pool of water over KSM's nose and mouth. 961 00:45:49,496 --> 00:45:51,875 (BOARD KNOCKING) 962 00:45:53,668 --> 00:45:56,503 (MOHAMMED GRUNTING, CHOKING IN DISTANCE) 963 00:45:56,588 --> 00:45:58,630 (MOHAMMED GASPING VIOLENTLY) 964 00:45:58,715 --> 00:46:02,010 MITCHELL: Who are the operatives inside the U.S.? 965 00:46:02,092 --> 00:46:04,762 (PANTING): Issa... Issa... 966 00:46:04,846 --> 00:46:06,806 Issa al-Britani. 967 00:46:08,391 --> 00:46:09,851 JESSEN: Where is the next attack? 968 00:46:09,934 --> 00:46:11,686 M-Montana. 969 00:46:11,768 --> 00:46:13,103 (MOHAMMED PANTING) 970 00:46:13,188 --> 00:46:15,481 We got something. 971 00:46:17,733 --> 00:46:20,862 KSM told interrogators he sent Abu Issa al-Britani to the U.S. 972 00:46:20,945 --> 00:46:24,114 to recruit African American Muslims in Montana 973 00:46:24,199 --> 00:46:26,117 to blow up gas stations and start forest fires. 974 00:46:26,201 --> 00:46:27,202 Montana? 975 00:46:27,284 --> 00:46:29,411 Muslims in Montana? 976 00:46:29,496 --> 00:46:31,831 The FBI had serious doubts as well. 977 00:46:31,914 --> 00:46:34,333 Later, KSM admitted he just told them 978 00:46:34,416 --> 00:46:36,793 what they wanted to hear to make it stop. 979 00:46:36,878 --> 00:46:40,632 So, did they get anything actionable from him at all? 980 00:46:40,715 --> 00:46:42,175 Anything that saved lives? 981 00:46:42,257 --> 00:46:45,594 They waterboarded him 183 times, and then concluded 982 00:46:45,677 --> 00:46:47,764 KSM may never be forthcoming or honest. 983 00:46:47,847 --> 00:46:49,599 Everything they got from him 984 00:46:49,681 --> 00:46:52,768 was either a lie or something they already had. 985 00:46:52,851 --> 00:46:55,521 Well, okay, so my first question is: 986 00:46:55,605 --> 00:46:59,858 If it works, why do you need to do it 183 times? 987 00:47:00,943 --> 00:47:02,320 Maybe when the report comes out, 988 00:47:02,402 --> 00:47:04,030 people will finally see that. 989 00:47:04,112 --> 00:47:07,367 Well, let's worry about getting it right, getting it done. 990 00:47:07,449 --> 00:47:09,827 We can worry about changing the world later. 991 00:47:13,831 --> 00:47:16,166 (BIRDS CHIRPING) 992 00:47:24,467 --> 00:47:26,260 (SIGHS) Sorry I'm late. 993 00:47:26,344 --> 00:47:28,387 - It's okay. - (SIGHS) 994 00:47:28,471 --> 00:47:31,099 - Barely slept. - Want some coffee? 995 00:47:31,181 --> 00:47:32,849 (SIGHS) 996 00:47:34,601 --> 00:47:36,521 Hey, can I ask you something? 997 00:47:36,603 --> 00:47:38,856 You ever, uh, have dreams, 998 00:47:38,940 --> 00:47:41,568 you know, about the stuff that's in the report? 999 00:47:43,068 --> 00:47:45,905 Yeah. I have one where I'm drowning. 1000 00:47:45,989 --> 00:47:48,365 I can't move my arms or legs. I can't breathe. 1001 00:47:48,449 --> 00:47:50,742 - That wakes me up. - Last night I dreamt 1002 00:47:50,827 --> 00:47:53,704 I was trapped in one of those confinement boxes. 1003 00:47:53,788 --> 00:47:55,539 They just left me there. 1004 00:47:55,623 --> 00:47:58,166 Daniel Jones, right? 1005 00:47:58,251 --> 00:48:00,628 - Do I know you? - I just wanted to tell you to your face 1006 00:48:00,711 --> 00:48:02,755 that I think you and that report are garbage. 1007 00:48:02,838 --> 00:48:04,507 - Excuse me... - You weren't there, 1008 00:48:04,590 --> 00:48:06,467 so you don't know what worked and what didn't 1009 00:48:06,550 --> 00:48:07,719 or what we were up against. 1010 00:48:07,802 --> 00:48:09,512 You may not realize, but we were trying 1011 00:48:09,596 --> 00:48:11,764 to protect this country from people who want to destroy 1012 00:48:11,847 --> 00:48:13,141 everything we believe in. 1013 00:48:13,224 --> 00:48:15,059 You may not realize it, 1014 00:48:15,143 --> 00:48:17,436 but we're trying to do the exact same thing. 1015 00:48:17,519 --> 00:48:20,940 Your bullshit report will never see the light of day. 1016 00:48:24,985 --> 00:48:27,112 DANIEL: Special Prosecutor Durham, please. 1017 00:48:27,195 --> 00:48:29,282 It's Dan Jones, calling again 1018 00:48:29,364 --> 00:48:32,284 about the Justice Department investigation of the CIA. 1019 00:48:32,367 --> 00:48:34,077 We really need to meet. 1020 00:48:35,663 --> 00:48:37,123 You have? 1021 00:48:38,708 --> 00:48:40,960 Okay, what are their findings? 1022 00:48:51,304 --> 00:48:53,139 Fuck! 1023 00:48:53,222 --> 00:48:55,016 WHITEHOUSE: Nothing? 1024 00:48:55,099 --> 00:48:56,601 No indictments at all? 1025 00:48:56,684 --> 00:48:58,769 No charges against Jose Rodriguez or Gina Haspel 1026 00:48:58,853 --> 00:49:00,228 for destroying the tapes. 1027 00:49:00,313 --> 00:49:02,523 Nothing against the CIA for torturing people. 1028 00:49:02,606 --> 00:49:04,168 Nothing against Jim Pavitt and the others 1029 00:49:04,192 --> 00:49:06,402 for providing misinformation, nothing at all. 1030 00:49:06,485 --> 00:49:08,655 DOJ says they don't have enough admissible evidence 1031 00:49:08,737 --> 00:49:10,697 to convict anyone. 1032 00:49:10,782 --> 00:49:12,800 You go after the contractors, and they're indemnified. 1033 00:49:12,824 --> 00:49:14,260 You go after the head of Counterterrorism, 1034 00:49:14,284 --> 00:49:15,994 and he'd just say he was following orders 1035 00:49:16,079 --> 00:49:17,204 from the CIA director. 1036 00:49:17,288 --> 00:49:18,641 You go after the director, and he... 1037 00:49:18,664 --> 00:49:20,208 Well, he would just cite the president. 1038 00:49:20,291 --> 00:49:21,851 Then the White House would claim national security. 1039 00:49:21,876 --> 00:49:24,795 DOJ at least share what they found? 1040 00:49:24,878 --> 00:49:25,922 No. 1041 00:49:28,007 --> 00:49:30,550 They won't turn anything over. 1042 00:49:32,219 --> 00:49:33,971 We're the only ones still looking at this. 1043 00:49:36,474 --> 00:49:38,768 (CRICKETS CHIRPING) 1044 00:49:52,072 --> 00:49:53,907 APRIL: Dan? 1045 00:49:55,492 --> 00:49:56,494 Dan? 1046 00:49:56,577 --> 00:49:58,454 You know a CIA officer 1047 00:49:58,538 --> 00:50:00,748 testified before Congress in 1978 regarding the use of 1048 00:50:00,831 --> 00:50:03,960 coercive physical interrogation techniques in Latin America? 1049 00:50:04,043 --> 00:50:05,836 And the officer said the techniques result 1050 00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,213 in false answers and have proven to be ineffective. 1051 00:50:08,297 --> 00:50:09,817 And before Latin America, they did it in Vietnam. 1052 00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:10,900 They knew it didn't work... 1053 00:50:10,925 --> 00:50:12,235 Dan, I need to tell you something. 1054 00:50:12,260 --> 00:50:13,719 And they did it again. 1055 00:50:13,802 --> 00:50:14,862 Don't even listen to their own fucking people. 1056 00:50:14,887 --> 00:50:16,304 I'm leaving the study. 1057 00:50:16,389 --> 00:50:20,351 I... I got a job offer, and I can't turn it down. 1058 00:50:20,434 --> 00:50:23,896 I'm sorry, but don't you see what this is doing to you? 1059 00:50:23,980 --> 00:50:25,148 To all of us? 1060 00:50:25,231 --> 00:50:26,940 I mean, my kids are at home growing up, 1061 00:50:27,023 --> 00:50:30,152 and I'm down here reading about how they put a power drill 1062 00:50:30,235 --> 00:50:31,922 against one guy's head and-and how they pulled 1063 00:50:31,945 --> 00:50:33,489 another guy's arms out of his sockets. 1064 00:50:33,572 --> 00:50:35,467 And I just... this is how I'm spending my Sundays. 1065 00:50:35,490 --> 00:50:37,034 And my Saturdays. 1066 00:50:37,117 --> 00:50:39,746 This is how I spend every day. 1067 00:50:39,829 --> 00:50:42,998 I just... I-I-I-I can't. 1068 00:50:43,081 --> 00:50:47,128 Um... I'm gonna leave after Thanksgiving. 1069 00:50:53,217 --> 00:50:55,177 Okay. I understand. 1070 00:50:55,260 --> 00:50:56,804 Okay. 1071 00:50:56,887 --> 00:50:58,264 Thanksgiving. 1072 00:50:58,347 --> 00:51:01,516 That gives us... that gives us a couple months. 1073 00:51:01,601 --> 00:51:04,936 JULIAN: Dan, it's November. 1074 00:51:05,021 --> 00:51:07,773 Thanksgiving is next week. 1075 00:51:09,692 --> 00:51:12,862 APRIL: How many pages have we written so far? Thousands? 1076 00:51:12,945 --> 00:51:16,324 We don't even know if this is ever gonna come out. 1077 00:51:16,407 --> 00:51:18,826 The tapes investigation never did. 1078 00:51:18,909 --> 00:51:20,411 It's still classified. 1079 00:51:20,494 --> 00:51:22,038 YOU JUST SAID IT YOURSELF: 1080 00:51:22,121 --> 00:51:24,498 The CIA knew this shit didn't work in 1978, 1081 00:51:24,581 --> 00:51:27,001 and it didn't stop them from doing it again. 1082 00:51:28,585 --> 00:51:30,922 Look, we've been down here for two years, Dan, 1083 00:51:31,005 --> 00:51:33,632 in this basement. 1084 00:51:33,715 --> 00:51:36,510 Nobody's waiting for us to come out. 1085 00:51:58,282 --> 00:52:00,409 (TYPING) 1086 00:52:14,507 --> 00:52:16,759 shocking photos that apparently show U.S. troops 1087 00:52:16,842 --> 00:52:19,804 abusing detainees in a prison outside Baghdad. 1088 00:52:19,887 --> 00:52:21,347 We have a problem. 1089 00:52:21,429 --> 00:52:23,891 Both myself and the president have gone on record 1090 00:52:23,974 --> 00:52:26,309 saying we do not torture people. 1091 00:52:26,393 --> 00:52:29,355 He just made a statement for the U.N.'s goddamn 1092 00:52:29,438 --> 00:52:32,483 Day in Support of Victims of Torture. 1093 00:52:32,567 --> 00:52:34,777 Wh-What-what did he say? 1094 00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,614 "The United States does not torture." 1095 00:52:39,699 --> 00:52:42,994 It's against our laws and it's against our values. 1096 00:52:43,077 --> 00:52:48,416 "I have not authorized it, and I will not authorize it." 1097 00:52:50,333 --> 00:52:53,378 I'm not sure where that leaves either of us. 1098 00:52:53,461 --> 00:52:55,505 RODRIGUEZ: So, here's the deal. 1099 00:52:55,590 --> 00:52:59,092 Some new lawyer over at OLC, Jack Goldsmith, 1100 00:52:59,175 --> 00:53:01,679 is saying there are issues with the John Yoo memo. 1101 00:53:01,762 --> 00:53:03,139 Legal issues? 1102 00:53:03,222 --> 00:53:05,474 Yeah, and there's the inspector general's report: 1103 00:53:05,557 --> 00:53:08,184 allegations of war crimes and torture. 1104 00:53:08,268 --> 00:53:11,563 RODRIGUEZ: Throws the whole program under the goddamn bus. 1105 00:53:11,646 --> 00:53:13,273 What's it say? 1106 00:53:13,356 --> 00:53:17,068 "The inspector general finds that EITs are inconsistent" 1107 00:53:17,152 --> 00:53:18,612 with the public policy positions 1108 00:53:18,695 --> 00:53:22,115 "the United States has taken regarding human rights," 1109 00:53:22,199 --> 00:53:23,992 blah, blah, blah. 1110 00:53:24,076 --> 00:53:26,077 "The program, as implemented, 1111 00:53:26,161 --> 00:53:30,958 "diverges sharply from how the CIA has described," blah, blah. 1112 00:53:31,041 --> 00:53:33,878 "There is also little evidence that the waterboard 1113 00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,755 is effective in gaining information." 1114 00:53:36,838 --> 00:53:39,550 Look, guys, Director Tenet wants to pause the program. 1115 00:53:41,635 --> 00:53:44,012 You know, I retired from the Air Force 1116 00:53:44,096 --> 00:53:47,557 just a couple of months before 9/11. 1117 00:53:47,641 --> 00:53:49,309 22 years. 1118 00:53:50,894 --> 00:53:53,521 And then I wake up that morning, 1119 00:53:53,606 --> 00:53:59,945 and I turn on the news and... see what's happening. 1120 00:54:01,572 --> 00:54:06,577 A lot of people just went back to their coffee and cornflakes. 1121 00:54:06,661 --> 00:54:10,831 But Jim wanted to do something 1122 00:54:10,914 --> 00:54:13,501 to keep people safe. 1123 00:54:13,583 --> 00:54:16,670 We are going right back to the National Security Council today 1124 00:54:16,753 --> 00:54:18,713 and asking to have the program recertified, 1125 00:54:18,797 --> 00:54:20,507 as many techniques as possible. 1126 00:54:20,590 --> 00:54:22,885 RODRIGUEZ: We have a plan. 1127 00:54:22,969 --> 00:54:24,971 Thank you. Thank you. 1128 00:54:30,726 --> 00:54:35,356 - (PHONE RINGING) - (TYPING) 1129 00:54:35,438 --> 00:54:37,650 (PHONE CONTINUES RINGING) 1130 00:54:44,864 --> 00:54:46,157 Jones. 1131 00:54:47,242 --> 00:54:48,411 Yes, Senator. 1132 00:54:56,710 --> 00:54:57,920 (TV CLICKS ON) 1133 00:54:58,003 --> 00:54:59,398 NEWS ANCHOR: On the Sunday talk shows, 1134 00:54:59,422 --> 00:55:01,007 former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld 1135 00:55:01,090 --> 00:55:03,134 and former Vice President Dick Cheney 1136 00:55:03,217 --> 00:55:06,804 argued enhanced interrogation techniques played a major role 1137 00:55:06,887 --> 00:55:09,264 in leading up to the raid on bin Laden's compound. 1138 00:55:09,347 --> 00:55:11,307 No, that's not right. That's not what happened. 1139 00:55:11,391 --> 00:55:13,286 - CHENEY: It was not torture. - I'll look into it. 1140 00:55:13,309 --> 00:55:15,563 And, uh, I would strongly recommend that we continue it. 1141 00:55:15,646 --> 00:55:17,365 NEWS ANCHOR: At the heart of the controversy 1142 00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,858 is a process called waterboarding. 1143 00:55:19,942 --> 00:55:21,860 (KEYPAD BEEPING) 1144 00:55:21,943 --> 00:55:24,237 DANIEL: Okay, here's what the CIA is claiming: 1145 00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:28,576 They got bin Laden after using EITs against detainees. 1146 00:55:30,869 --> 00:55:36,208 They say it all started in 2002 with Abu Zubaydah 1147 00:55:36,291 --> 00:55:39,586 and a detainee they called "Riyadh the Facilitator," 1148 00:55:39,670 --> 00:55:41,880 who tipped them off to Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti, 1149 00:55:41,963 --> 00:55:43,173 who had ties to bin Laden. 1150 00:55:43,257 --> 00:55:44,884 That's not what happened? 1151 00:55:44,967 --> 00:55:47,469 The truth is the CIA was on al-Kuwaiti's phones, 1152 00:55:47,552 --> 00:55:51,181 e-mails, identity, long before they captured any detainees. 1153 00:55:51,264 --> 00:55:56,103 Before they even had an EIT program. 1154 00:55:56,186 --> 00:55:58,646 Zubaydah told us al-Kuwaiti had nothing to do with bin Laden. 1155 00:55:58,731 --> 00:56:01,525 Same with KSM and-and the others. 1156 00:56:01,608 --> 00:56:04,612 But now we have former CIA Director Michael Hayden 1157 00:56:04,695 --> 00:56:07,239 on the radio saying this all came from EITs. 1158 00:56:07,322 --> 00:56:09,909 And former Attorney General Mukasey is out there saying 1159 00:56:09,992 --> 00:56:12,077 KSM broke like a dam after waterboarding. 1160 00:56:12,161 --> 00:56:13,621 FEINSTEIN: Where is he saying that? 1161 00:56:13,704 --> 00:56:16,123 DANIEL: Wall Street Journal. I found a memo. 1162 00:56:16,206 --> 00:56:17,833 It's from a few months back, in March. 1163 00:56:17,916 --> 00:56:19,335 It's called "The Public Roll-out." 1164 00:56:19,418 --> 00:56:22,713 The memo states the Agency wanted their PR people 1165 00:56:22,797 --> 00:56:26,800 to connect the bin Laden raid to intel obtained via EITs 1166 00:56:26,884 --> 00:56:28,177 before it even happened. 1167 00:56:28,260 --> 00:56:32,306 So... if the CIA got bin Laden, 1168 00:56:32,389 --> 00:56:35,226 then who cares what else it did? 1169 00:56:35,309 --> 00:56:38,186 If it saved lives, there's no need for accountability. 1170 00:56:38,269 --> 00:56:40,481 Exactly. They lied to Bush about the program. 1171 00:56:40,563 --> 00:56:42,315 Now they're lying to President Obama. 1172 00:56:42,398 --> 00:56:46,112 This document about bin Laden and, uh, the role of EITs, 1173 00:56:46,195 --> 00:56:48,030 it just isn't true. 1174 00:56:54,744 --> 00:56:57,539 You want me to get you the White House? 1175 00:56:59,375 --> 00:57:00,918 Let's do that. 1176 00:57:03,503 --> 00:57:05,630 FEINSTEIN: It's very clear to us 1177 00:57:05,713 --> 00:57:09,635 the EITs did not lead to bin Laden. 1178 00:57:09,717 --> 00:57:12,346 The CIA is misrepresenting the operation. 1179 00:57:12,429 --> 00:57:14,306 I'm sure you see that, don't you? 1180 00:57:14,389 --> 00:57:16,724 MCDONOUGH (OVER PHONE): I'm not sure I understand, Senator. 1181 00:57:16,809 --> 00:57:18,829 The mission was a success; that's the headline here. 1182 00:57:18,853 --> 00:57:22,231 This is a crucial moment in our nation's history. 1183 00:57:22,313 --> 00:57:26,818 I want to make certain that the Agency isn't manipulating it 1184 00:57:26,902 --> 00:57:30,197 to sanitize their own past actions. 1185 00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,115 I will let the national security advisor 1186 00:57:32,199 --> 00:57:34,284 know your concerns, Senator. 1187 00:57:34,367 --> 00:57:36,704 - Thank you. - Thank you, Senator Feinstein. 1188 00:57:36,786 --> 00:57:37,996 (LINE CLICKS) 1189 00:57:38,079 --> 00:57:40,291 - (PHONE CLICKS) - DANIEL: That's it? 1190 00:57:40,373 --> 00:57:42,668 They don't care the story is wrong? 1191 00:57:44,295 --> 00:57:48,257 Well, I don't think we can look to the White House for support. 1192 00:57:52,260 --> 00:57:55,681 (DOOR OPENS, CLOSES) 1193 00:57:57,599 --> 00:57:58,976 What the hell just happened? 1194 00:57:59,059 --> 00:58:02,353 The CIA just got the president reelected. 1195 00:58:02,438 --> 00:58:04,231 That's what happened. 1196 00:58:07,650 --> 00:58:10,987 MARTHA RADDATZ: It was the greatest manhunt of all time. 1197 00:58:11,070 --> 00:58:13,615 (OVER TV): You think you know the story, 1198 00:58:13,699 --> 00:58:15,617 but hold on to your seats. 1199 00:58:15,701 --> 00:58:18,786 Zero Dark Thirty, the riveting new film, 1200 00:58:18,871 --> 00:58:21,456 brings you the hunt for Osama bin Laden 1201 00:58:21,539 --> 00:58:24,168 as it has never been seen before. 1202 00:58:39,182 --> 00:58:41,268 This is it. The last guy we have. 1203 00:58:41,351 --> 00:58:47,523 NUMBER 119: Muhammad Rahim, captured June 2007. 1204 00:58:57,076 --> 00:58:58,744 MITCHELL: We kept Rahim awake 1205 00:58:58,827 --> 00:59:00,913 for 138 hours straight. 1206 00:59:00,996 --> 00:59:03,998 Used the attention grasp, 1207 00:59:04,083 --> 00:59:07,001 facial hold, dietary manipulation. 1208 00:59:07,085 --> 00:59:10,422 Abdominal slaps, stress positions. 1209 00:59:10,505 --> 00:59:13,550 We even offered him a towel to wear if he cooperated. 1210 00:59:13,634 --> 00:59:14,885 MITCHELL: Gave us nothing. 1211 00:59:14,969 --> 00:59:16,594 JESSEN: He said that, if we hurt him, 1212 00:59:16,679 --> 00:59:19,931 he'd just make things up to get us to stop. 1213 00:59:20,014 --> 00:59:22,684 MITCHELL: And then he said he was at our mercy 1214 00:59:22,768 --> 00:59:25,019 and we could kill him if we wanted. 1215 00:59:25,103 --> 00:59:26,831 RODRIGUEZ: What's the point of moving forward 1216 00:59:26,855 --> 00:59:28,606 without the waterboard? 1217 00:59:28,690 --> 00:59:30,818 It's like trying to play baseball without the bat. 1218 00:59:30,900 --> 00:59:32,820 We've been going at him for 60 days now, 1219 00:59:32,902 --> 00:59:35,155 not getting anywhere. 1220 00:59:35,239 --> 00:59:39,326 The problem is that CTC hasn't given us 1221 00:59:39,409 --> 00:59:41,286 any good intel to question him about. 1222 00:59:41,369 --> 00:59:43,038 We don't have any leverage. 1223 00:59:43,121 --> 00:59:44,998 Hold on. You're the psychologists. 1224 00:59:45,081 --> 00:59:46,833 You told me you were gonna get us intel. 1225 00:59:46,916 --> 00:59:48,637 Now you're saying we need to give it to you? 1226 00:59:48,710 --> 00:59:54,048 I'm thinking we improve his treatment for a week or two, 1227 00:59:54,132 --> 00:59:58,137 give him some hope, and then we go back at him hard 1228 00:59:58,219 --> 01:00:00,556 and create a sense of helplessness. 1229 01:00:00,639 --> 01:00:04,768 JESSEN: Or we could try recruiting him. 1230 01:00:04,851 --> 01:00:08,521 Tell him he can be a CIA agent if he talks. 1231 01:00:08,605 --> 01:00:09,981 The FBI does that. 1232 01:00:10,065 --> 01:00:11,983 We're not the FBI. We don't do that. 1233 01:00:12,067 --> 01:00:14,737 MITCHELL: The way the science works is 1234 01:00:14,820 --> 01:00:16,905 we only get the intel after... 1235 01:00:16,989 --> 01:00:18,699 BERNADETTE: After what? 1236 01:00:18,782 --> 01:00:21,117 Why are so many of these guys still lying to us 1237 01:00:21,201 --> 01:00:23,329 after you work on them? 1238 01:00:25,581 --> 01:00:27,833 Where's the special sauce? 1239 01:00:30,085 --> 01:00:34,005 You have to make this work. It's only legal if it works. 1240 01:00:34,088 --> 01:00:36,884 The CIA's questioning of Muhammad Rahim 1241 01:00:36,967 --> 01:00:39,094 resulted in zero intelligence reports. 1242 01:00:39,177 --> 01:00:42,431 On April 21, 2008, the Agency convened 1243 01:00:42,514 --> 01:00:44,266 an after-action review of his interrogation. 1244 01:00:44,349 --> 01:00:46,976 Senator, I just want to point out that this is the first time 1245 01:00:47,061 --> 01:00:48,644 the Agency stopped and evaluated 1246 01:00:48,728 --> 01:00:50,230 the effectiveness of the program. 1247 01:00:51,398 --> 01:00:53,483 And they concluded that, in the future, 1248 01:00:53,567 --> 01:00:55,568 CIA interrogators should use rapport building. 1249 01:00:58,780 --> 01:01:01,115 They even suggested asking other agencies, 1250 01:01:01,199 --> 01:01:03,409 law enforcement, and even other countries 1251 01:01:03,494 --> 01:01:05,244 about effective interrogation methods. 1252 01:01:07,539 --> 01:01:08,706 So... 1253 01:01:11,460 --> 01:01:14,003 For the past six years, there's been a steady stream 1254 01:01:14,088 --> 01:01:19,675 of CIA personnel... Directors, deputies, analysts... 1255 01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:21,552 Coming over here and telling me 1256 01:01:21,637 --> 01:01:25,724 what an amazing success EITs have been. 1257 01:01:25,807 --> 01:01:29,603 Somehow not even one of them managed to mention that part. 1258 01:01:34,858 --> 01:01:40,530 How many detainees have been through the program in total? 1259 01:01:41,614 --> 01:01:43,449 At least 119. 1260 01:01:45,911 --> 01:01:47,829 The Agency admits a quarter of them 1261 01:01:47,913 --> 01:01:49,956 should never have been detained. 1262 01:01:50,039 --> 01:01:54,878 The EIT program never worked, not on anyone. 1263 01:01:57,047 --> 01:01:59,132 (GAVEL BANGING) 1264 01:02:04,554 --> 01:02:07,849 Today, we are gathered to approve 1265 01:02:07,932 --> 01:02:09,434 the committee's study of 1266 01:02:09,518 --> 01:02:14,565 the CIA Detention and Interrogation Program. 1267 01:02:14,648 --> 01:02:17,317 I would like to thank Daniel Jones 1268 01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:21,155 and his small staff who prepared this study. 1269 01:02:21,237 --> 01:02:23,699 Clerk, would you call the roll? 1270 01:02:25,324 --> 01:02:28,077 - CLERK: Mr. Udall? - UDALL: Yay. 1271 01:02:28,161 --> 01:02:31,081 - CLERK: Mr. Rubio? - RUBIO: Nay. 1272 01:02:31,164 --> 01:02:33,833 - CLERK: Mr. Rockefeller? - ROCKEFELLER: Yay. 1273 01:02:33,916 --> 01:02:36,295 - CLERK: Mr. Warner? - WARNER: Yay. 1274 01:02:36,378 --> 01:02:38,297 - CLERK: Mr. Blunt? - BLUNT: Nay. 1275 01:02:38,380 --> 01:02:41,215 - CLERK: Mr. Conrad? - CONRAD: Yay. 1276 01:02:41,300 --> 01:02:43,510 - CLERK: Mr. Coats? - COATS: Nay. 1277 01:02:43,594 --> 01:02:45,846 - CLERK: Mr. Nelson? - NELSON: Yay. 1278 01:02:45,929 --> 01:02:48,306 - CLERK: Mr. Risch? - RISCH: Nay. 1279 01:02:48,389 --> 01:02:50,893 - CLERK: Ms. Mikulski? - MIKULSKI: Yay. 1280 01:02:50,976 --> 01:02:53,144 - CLERK: Mr. Burr? - BURR: Nay. 1281 01:02:53,228 --> 01:02:55,606 - CLERK: Mr. Wyden? - WYDEN: Yay. 1282 01:02:55,688 --> 01:02:58,065 - CLERK: Ms. Snowe? - SNOWE: Yay. 1283 01:02:58,150 --> 01:03:02,070 - CLERK: Mr. Chambliss? - CHAMBLISS: Nay. 1284 01:03:02,153 --> 01:03:04,239 CLERK: Ms. Feinstein? 1285 01:03:04,322 --> 01:03:06,699 Yay. 1286 01:03:09,077 --> 01:03:10,661 The motion passes. 1287 01:03:10,746 --> 01:03:15,751 The report will now be sent to the CIA for final comments. 1288 01:03:19,545 --> 01:03:21,422 BRENNAN: I, John Owen Brennan, 1289 01:03:21,507 --> 01:03:23,634 do solemnly swear to tell the truth, the full truth, 1290 01:03:23,717 --> 01:03:26,094 and nothing but the truth, so help me God. 1291 01:03:26,177 --> 01:03:28,764 FEINSTEIN: Thank you, Mr. Brennan. 1292 01:03:28,847 --> 01:03:31,016 I look forward to hearing your testimony. 1293 01:03:31,099 --> 01:03:34,353 (CAMERAS CLICKING QUIETLY) 1294 01:03:34,436 --> 01:03:36,730 I am honored to appear before you today 1295 01:03:36,813 --> 01:03:40,733 as the president's nominee for director of the CIA. 1296 01:03:40,817 --> 01:03:44,530 I'd like to say from the beginning that honesty... 1297 01:03:44,612 --> 01:03:48,032 Truthfulness... was a value inculcated in me 1298 01:03:48,115 --> 01:03:51,077 growing up in New Jersey by my parents, Owen and Dorothy. 1299 01:03:51,161 --> 01:03:53,204 Now, none of us are perfect beings. 1300 01:03:53,288 --> 01:03:55,289 I am far from perfect. 1301 01:03:55,373 --> 01:03:57,501 But I will be honest with this committee 1302 01:03:57,583 --> 01:03:59,126 and do everything possible 1303 01:03:59,210 --> 01:04:02,463 to meet your legitimate needs and requirements. 1304 01:04:02,547 --> 01:04:04,007 UDALL: Mr. Brennan, (CLEARS THROAT) 1305 01:04:04,090 --> 01:04:06,717 I've long believed that our government has an obligation 1306 01:04:06,802 --> 01:04:10,847 to the American people to face its mistakes transparently, 1307 01:04:10,931 --> 01:04:13,891 to help the public understand the nature of those mistakes, 1308 01:04:13,976 --> 01:04:16,269 and to correct them. 1309 01:04:16,353 --> 01:04:20,273 The enhanced interrogation techniques were brutal, 1310 01:04:20,356 --> 01:04:23,025 and, perhaps most importantly, they did not work. 1311 01:04:23,110 --> 01:04:26,028 Now, the CIA has a responsibility 1312 01:04:26,112 --> 01:04:28,489 to correct any inaccurate information it provided 1313 01:04:28,574 --> 01:04:30,717 to the previous White House, the Department of Justice, 1314 01:04:30,742 --> 01:04:32,536 Congress and the public. 1315 01:04:32,619 --> 01:04:34,913 SO, HERE'S MY QUESTION: 1316 01:04:34,996 --> 01:04:38,208 Do you agree that the CIA has this responsibility? 1317 01:04:38,291 --> 01:04:40,793 And I'd appreciate a yes or no answer. 1318 01:04:42,503 --> 01:04:46,007 Yes, Senator. 1319 01:04:46,090 --> 01:04:47,634 Absolutely. 1320 01:04:47,717 --> 01:04:49,260 (PHONE RINGS) 1321 01:04:49,344 --> 01:04:50,903 SECRETARY: Office of the chief of staff. 1322 01:04:50,929 --> 01:04:52,972 Mr. McDonough is in a meeting right now. 1323 01:04:53,056 --> 01:04:55,336 According to the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll, 1324 01:04:55,391 --> 01:04:58,894 the president's approval rating is at 44%. 1325 01:04:58,978 --> 01:05:00,498 - That's up three points since March... - (DOOR OPENS) 1326 01:05:00,521 --> 01:05:02,440 SECRETARY: Excuse me. Mr. McDonough. 1327 01:05:02,523 --> 01:05:04,985 - Director Brennan is here. - Oh. 1328 01:05:05,068 --> 01:05:06,320 There he is. 1329 01:05:06,402 --> 01:05:08,487 - Congratulations, Mr. Director. - Thank you. 1330 01:05:08,572 --> 01:05:09,989 Welcome. Come on in. Thank you. 1331 01:05:10,072 --> 01:05:12,199 Thank you and thank President Obama. 1332 01:05:12,284 --> 01:05:13,952 - (DOOR CLOSES) - I'll let him know. 1333 01:05:14,036 --> 01:05:16,121 Speaking of, uh, 1334 01:05:16,204 --> 01:05:18,623 he wanted me to ask you if there's any new information 1335 01:05:18,706 --> 01:05:21,083 on the drone strikes of April 29th? 1336 01:05:21,168 --> 01:05:24,588 We can confirm that the Al Qaeda planner 1337 01:05:24,670 --> 01:05:27,632 Abu Sulayman al-Jazairi has been killed. 1338 01:05:27,715 --> 01:05:30,260 Unfortunately, we also believe 1339 01:05:30,344 --> 01:05:34,347 that there were between five and ten civilian casualties. 1340 01:05:34,431 --> 01:05:35,849 Shit. 1341 01:05:35,931 --> 01:05:38,143 Well, I'll let the president know. 1342 01:05:38,226 --> 01:05:40,228 What about the Intelligence Committee report? 1343 01:05:40,311 --> 01:05:41,771 We need to talk about that. 1344 01:05:41,855 --> 01:05:44,690 John, w-we gave the CIA until February 1345 01:05:44,775 --> 01:05:47,152 to come up with its response; it's now May. 1346 01:05:47,235 --> 01:05:49,213 I've got Senator Feinstein all over my phone sheet. 1347 01:05:49,237 --> 01:05:51,530 I don't want to be the one who has to push on this, 1348 01:05:51,614 --> 01:05:54,284 but the president would really like to get this behind us. 1349 01:05:59,748 --> 01:06:01,541 And? 1350 01:06:01,625 --> 01:06:03,960 We acknowledge that 1351 01:06:04,043 --> 01:06:06,630 the Detention and Interrogation Program had shortcomings 1352 01:06:06,713 --> 01:06:08,965 and that the Agency made mistakes. 1353 01:06:09,048 --> 01:06:10,728 The most serious of those occurred early on 1354 01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:13,427 and stemmed from the fact that we were unprepared. 1355 01:06:15,054 --> 01:06:18,641 Now, as you know, we part ways on some key points. 1356 01:06:18,724 --> 01:06:22,061 According to our review, indications are that 1357 01:06:22,144 --> 01:06:24,313 interrogations of detainees upon whom 1358 01:06:24,398 --> 01:06:27,108 the enhanced interrogation techniques were used 1359 01:06:27,192 --> 01:06:30,528 did produce unique intelligence 1360 01:06:30,612 --> 01:06:32,364 that helped thwart attack plans, 1361 01:06:32,447 --> 01:06:34,407 capture terrorists, and saved lives. 1362 01:06:34,490 --> 01:06:36,010 Excuse me, intelligence gathered from EITs... 1363 01:06:36,034 --> 01:06:38,244 And that intelligence continues to inform 1364 01:06:38,327 --> 01:06:40,038 our counterterrorism efforts. 1365 01:06:40,121 --> 01:06:41,623 It led us to bin Laden. 1366 01:06:43,208 --> 01:06:45,585 Now, it's one thing to disapprove of the program. 1367 01:06:45,668 --> 01:06:47,295 I-I welcome that conversation, 1368 01:06:47,378 --> 01:06:49,005 but it's something else altogether 1369 01:06:49,088 --> 01:06:50,692 to say that it was mismanaged and ineffective. 1370 01:06:50,715 --> 01:06:51,842 Excuse me, Director Brennan. 1371 01:06:51,925 --> 01:06:54,552 The report is based on CIA records. 1372 01:06:54,635 --> 01:06:57,179 CIA officers themselves called it ineffective. 1373 01:06:57,264 --> 01:06:58,889 CIA officers? 1374 01:06:58,974 --> 01:07:01,393 Well, you didn't speak to any CIA officers in the program, 1375 01:07:01,476 --> 01:07:02,643 did you, Dan? 1376 01:07:02,728 --> 01:07:05,105 Your lawyers would not make them available to us 1377 01:07:05,188 --> 01:07:08,775 because of the Department of Justice's criminal inquiry. 1378 01:07:08,858 --> 01:07:11,862 We also disagree with the study's characterization of 1379 01:07:11,945 --> 01:07:16,282 how the CIA briefed Congress, the White House and the press. 1380 01:07:16,365 --> 01:07:18,784 Now, we have documentation that certainly proves that. 1381 01:07:18,869 --> 01:07:20,286 Excuse me, sir, what documents? 1382 01:07:20,369 --> 01:07:21,663 If the director is referencing 1383 01:07:21,746 --> 01:07:23,539 cables or e-mails we were never shown, 1384 01:07:23,623 --> 01:07:25,222 then that's a violation of our agreement. 1385 01:07:25,250 --> 01:07:27,753 Everything was supposed to have been provided to us. 1386 01:07:27,835 --> 01:07:29,755 Do we just give the committee access 1387 01:07:29,838 --> 01:07:31,715 to the entire CIA computer system? 1388 01:07:31,797 --> 01:07:33,632 Is that where this goes? 1389 01:07:33,717 --> 01:07:37,094 Dan gets to read every e-mail, gets to see every document? 1390 01:07:37,179 --> 01:07:40,264 Every relevant document or e-mail, yes. 1391 01:07:42,349 --> 01:07:45,228 I have always supported the intelligence community. 1392 01:07:45,311 --> 01:07:50,065 I broke with my own party to support the drone program, 1393 01:07:50,150 --> 01:07:52,985 but what this report makes very clear 1394 01:07:53,068 --> 01:07:56,655 is a real need for oversight and accountability. 1395 01:07:56,739 --> 01:07:59,617 You asked for our response, and we gave it to you. 1396 01:07:59,701 --> 01:08:02,077 We looked in the mirror. 1397 01:08:02,161 --> 01:08:05,039 Now, uh, we made mistakes. 1398 01:08:05,123 --> 01:08:08,501 There were abuses, and those abuses have been addressed. 1399 01:08:08,585 --> 01:08:11,963 But I-I vehemently disagree with the narrative 1400 01:08:12,047 --> 01:08:14,048 that you're trying to string together here. 1401 01:08:14,132 --> 01:08:15,759 It lacks context. 1402 01:08:15,842 --> 01:08:17,719 It does not paint an accurate picture 1403 01:08:17,802 --> 01:08:19,887 of the work that was done. 1404 01:08:19,970 --> 01:08:21,555 Let's go. 1405 01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:24,518 DANIEL: Senator, John Brennan's name is in that report. 1406 01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:26,269 He was Director Tenet's chief of staff 1407 01:08:26,353 --> 01:08:27,672 and then deputy executive director 1408 01:08:27,729 --> 01:08:29,271 when the program started. 1409 01:08:29,355 --> 01:08:31,000 - He grew up at the Agency. - MORRIS: He claims to have 1410 01:08:31,024 --> 01:08:32,710 - spoken out against the EIT program... - Where? 1411 01:08:32,734 --> 01:08:34,735 I just spent five years looking at their e-mails. 1412 01:08:34,819 --> 01:08:36,619 I never found anything to suggest that's true. 1413 01:08:36,695 --> 01:08:38,948 Well, we knew this wasn't going to be easy. 1414 01:08:39,032 --> 01:08:42,034 They have their own narrative, and they're gonna stick to it. 1415 01:08:42,118 --> 01:08:43,957 Maybe we could come up with some middle ground, 1416 01:08:43,994 --> 01:08:46,122 - find some common language. - I thought our job 1417 01:08:46,206 --> 01:08:47,766 was to provide oversight and accountability, 1418 01:08:47,791 --> 01:08:49,626 not middle ground. 1419 01:08:50,417 --> 01:08:52,503 I have a question for you. 1420 01:08:52,587 --> 01:08:55,090 Do you work for me or for the report? 1421 01:08:56,591 --> 01:09:01,011 And I'd encourage you to think about that before answering. 1422 01:09:13,483 --> 01:09:15,569 MCDONOUGH: Dan! 1423 01:09:15,652 --> 01:09:17,695 (LAUGHS): Dan Jones. 1424 01:09:17,779 --> 01:09:19,029 There he is. 1425 01:09:19,113 --> 01:09:20,948 Look at you, chief investigator 1426 01:09:21,032 --> 01:09:23,409 of the largest study the Senate's ever conducted. 1427 01:09:23,493 --> 01:09:25,036 My God. How you doing? 1428 01:09:25,119 --> 01:09:26,954 It's good to see you in the fresh air. 1429 01:09:27,037 --> 01:09:28,431 - (CHUCKLES): Yeah. - It's so funny. 1430 01:09:28,456 --> 01:09:29,957 I was just thinking the other night, 1431 01:09:30,041 --> 01:09:32,543 do you remember that time you came and saw me, 1432 01:09:32,627 --> 01:09:34,170 right after you got out of school? 1433 01:09:34,253 --> 01:09:36,213 You said go get intel experience, 1434 01:09:36,297 --> 01:09:37,882 wait till the Dems got the Senate back. 1435 01:09:37,966 --> 01:09:39,216 AND LOOK AT YOU NOW: 1436 01:09:39,301 --> 01:09:40,903 working for the Senate Intelligence Committee 1437 01:09:40,926 --> 01:09:42,386 for Dianne Feinstein. 1438 01:09:42,470 --> 01:09:44,155 You told me once you wanted to make a difference. 1439 01:09:44,180 --> 01:09:45,806 I hope you still get that chance. 1440 01:09:45,890 --> 01:09:47,766 - What does that mean? - What does that mean? 1441 01:09:47,850 --> 01:09:51,604 It means, Dan, get out of the senator's head about the CIA. 1442 01:09:51,688 --> 01:09:53,606 You're not doing yourself any favors. 1443 01:09:53,689 --> 01:09:55,149 Have you read the report? 1444 01:09:55,233 --> 01:09:58,403 It's 7,000 pages, Dan. 1445 01:09:58,485 --> 01:10:02,239 The Bible tells the history of mankind in less than that. 1446 01:10:02,323 --> 01:10:05,743 Look, buddy, 1447 01:10:05,827 --> 01:10:07,555 we're gonna get the CIA to sit down with you, 1448 01:10:07,578 --> 01:10:09,956 tell you their side of the story. 1449 01:10:10,039 --> 01:10:12,667 It would help if you would listen. 1450 01:10:14,293 --> 01:10:16,462 The study seems to most seriously diverge 1451 01:10:16,546 --> 01:10:19,506 from the facts by asking the reader to believe 1452 01:10:19,591 --> 01:10:21,801 the CIA withheld information 1453 01:10:21,885 --> 01:10:23,845 from the executive branch and Congress. 1454 01:10:23,929 --> 01:10:27,056 We'd like to see that removed from the report. 1455 01:10:27,140 --> 01:10:29,201 DANIEL: After the photos of Abu Ghraib came out in 2004, 1456 01:10:29,225 --> 01:10:31,478 Deputy Director McLaughlin appeared before Congress, 1457 01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:34,439 in front of you, and said the CIA is not authorized 1458 01:10:34,521 --> 01:10:36,815 to do anything like what you've seen in those photos. 1459 01:10:36,899 --> 01:10:38,859 But what they were doing was even worse. 1460 01:10:38,944 --> 01:10:40,862 Then in 2005, Senator Rockefeller 1461 01:10:40,945 --> 01:10:42,655 called for a review of the program, 1462 01:10:42,738 --> 01:10:44,698 and the deputy chief of Counterterrorism 1463 01:10:44,783 --> 01:10:46,493 got nervous where that might lead. 1464 01:10:46,576 --> 01:10:48,787 So he sent a message to senior leadership 1465 01:10:48,869 --> 01:10:51,372 discussing the need to manage the situation. 1466 01:10:51,456 --> 01:10:55,292 He said, "We either get out and sell, or we get hammered." 1467 01:10:55,377 --> 01:10:58,337 Congress reads it, cuts our authorities, 1468 01:10:58,421 --> 01:10:59,797 messes up our budget. 1469 01:10:59,881 --> 01:11:01,131 We need to make sure 1470 01:11:01,216 --> 01:11:03,592 "the impression of what we do is positive." 1471 01:11:03,676 --> 01:11:06,261 This is the deputy chief of Counterterrorism. 1472 01:11:06,345 --> 01:11:08,847 That all stays in. 1473 01:11:08,931 --> 01:11:11,059 We fundamentally disagree with the assertion 1474 01:11:11,141 --> 01:11:13,979 that the program was poorly managed and executed 1475 01:11:14,061 --> 01:11:17,564 and that unqualified officers imposed brutal conditions, 1476 01:11:17,649 --> 01:11:20,652 used unapproved techniques, and were rarely held accountable. 1477 01:11:20,734 --> 01:11:22,862 FEINSTEIN: What about Mitchell and Jessen? 1478 01:11:22,945 --> 01:11:26,658 DANIEL: Mitchell's PhD thesis was on diet and exercise 1479 01:11:26,740 --> 01:11:28,368 for controlling hypertension. 1480 01:11:28,451 --> 01:11:30,412 Jessen's dissertation was on family therapy, 1481 01:11:30,494 --> 01:11:31,997 something called family sculpting, 1482 01:11:32,079 --> 01:11:34,082 where you make clay figures of your family members. 1483 01:11:34,164 --> 01:11:35,850 - No. How much were they paid? - They had no experience 1484 01:11:35,875 --> 01:11:37,042 in real-world interrogations. 1485 01:11:37,127 --> 01:11:38,586 No science to back up their claims. 1486 01:11:38,670 --> 01:11:39,962 They were allowed to assess 1487 01:11:40,046 --> 01:11:41,840 the effectiveness of their own program 1488 01:11:41,922 --> 01:11:43,841 without providing any scientific evidence. 1489 01:11:43,925 --> 01:11:45,385 How much in total 1490 01:11:45,467 --> 01:11:48,555 did the U.S. taxpayers give them for their work? 1491 01:11:48,637 --> 01:11:50,515 Over $80 million. 1492 01:11:51,599 --> 01:11:54,394 The Agency also disagrees that 1493 01:11:54,476 --> 01:11:57,604 the Detention and Interrogation Program did not produce 1494 01:11:57,689 --> 01:11:59,565 unique intelligence that disrupted plots 1495 01:11:59,649 --> 01:12:01,859 and saved lives. 1496 01:12:01,943 --> 01:12:04,154 For instance, the identity of José Padilla, 1497 01:12:04,237 --> 01:12:06,030 the "dirty bomber." 1498 01:12:06,113 --> 01:12:07,614 If we hadn't stopped Padilla, 1499 01:12:07,698 --> 01:12:11,161 this entire area would be radioactive today. 1500 01:12:11,243 --> 01:12:12,871 DANIEL: José Padilla! 1501 01:12:12,953 --> 01:12:15,789 Padilla found the instructions for his dirty bomb online, 1502 01:12:15,873 --> 01:12:19,252 in-in an article entitled "Making and owning an H-bomb 1503 01:12:19,335 --> 01:12:22,421 is the kind of challenge real Americans seek." 1504 01:12:22,505 --> 01:12:25,382 It says, "Fill two buckets with uranium 1505 01:12:25,466 --> 01:12:28,595 and swing them above your head as fast as possible." 1506 01:12:28,677 --> 01:12:30,055 It was a joke. 1507 01:12:30,137 --> 01:12:31,639 As far as we can tell, 1508 01:12:31,722 --> 01:12:34,059 everything they attribute to EITs they already had, 1509 01:12:34,141 --> 01:12:36,770 from other sources, from foreign governments, 1510 01:12:36,853 --> 01:12:38,313 from other methods. 1511 01:12:38,395 --> 01:12:40,899 They claim they saved lives, but what they really did 1512 01:12:40,981 --> 01:12:42,692 was make it impossible to prosecute 1513 01:12:42,775 --> 01:12:45,944 a mass murderer like KSM, because if what we did to him 1514 01:12:46,029 --> 01:12:48,823 ever came out in a court of law, the case is over. 1515 01:12:48,907 --> 01:12:52,077 The guy planned 9/11, and instead of going to jail 1516 01:12:52,159 --> 01:12:54,537 for the rest of his life, the CIA turned him into 1517 01:12:54,621 --> 01:12:57,791 a recruiting tool for a war we're still fighting. 1518 01:13:01,461 --> 01:13:03,671 Stop meeting with them. 1519 01:13:10,095 --> 01:13:13,222 This is a remarkable document you've created. 1520 01:13:13,305 --> 01:13:15,057 Truly. 1521 01:13:15,140 --> 01:13:18,645 It will provide an enduring history, 1522 01:13:18,728 --> 01:13:21,396 whether it comes out or not. 1523 01:13:24,067 --> 01:13:26,235 (DOOR OPENS, CLOSES) 1524 01:13:26,319 --> 01:13:28,779 What does that mean, "w-whether it comes out or not"? 1525 01:13:28,863 --> 01:13:31,115 What does she mean? 1526 01:13:31,198 --> 01:13:32,742 What does that mean? 1527 01:13:32,826 --> 01:13:34,427 We've been working on this thing for nearly five years. 1528 01:13:34,452 --> 01:13:37,956 Yes, and it is still our word against theirs. 1529 01:13:38,038 --> 01:13:39,623 She's gonna need more than that. 1530 01:13:44,462 --> 01:13:46,840 (BIRDS CHIRPING) 1531 01:13:52,470 --> 01:13:55,849 (RINGTONE PLAYING) 1532 01:13:56,682 --> 01:13:57,850 This is Jones. 1533 01:13:57,934 --> 01:13:59,601 TANNER: Hey, Dan, this is Evan Tanner. 1534 01:13:59,685 --> 01:14:03,230 Um, I hear rumors the report might not be coming out now. 1535 01:14:03,314 --> 01:14:05,024 A lot of pushback from the Agency. 1536 01:14:05,108 --> 01:14:07,944 - They're calling it "flawed." - Who told you that? 1537 01:14:08,027 --> 01:14:11,072 (SIGHS) Dan, I'm the national security reporter 1538 01:14:11,155 --> 01:14:12,448 for The New York Times. 1539 01:14:12,532 --> 01:14:14,492 Do you have any thoughts? 1540 01:14:14,576 --> 01:14:17,828 DANIEL: (SIGHS) It's not my place to talk about rumors. 1541 01:14:17,912 --> 01:14:19,413 TANNER: No, I didn't think you would. 1542 01:14:19,497 --> 01:14:21,498 I was wondering if you might want to comment. 1543 01:14:21,582 --> 01:14:25,127 Uh, it can be off the record. 1544 01:14:25,211 --> 01:14:29,173 I just think we can help each other here. 1545 01:14:29,256 --> 01:14:31,842 DANIEL: You know I can't do that. 1546 01:14:33,511 --> 01:14:36,680 And here's what we know about Caroline Krass: 1547 01:14:36,764 --> 01:14:38,265 20 years in the executive branch, 1548 01:14:38,349 --> 01:14:39,809 including the Office of Legal Counsel 1549 01:14:39,893 --> 01:14:41,476 where she worked with John Yoo. 1550 01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:44,189 Guys, (SIGHS) this confirmation's a done deal. 1551 01:14:44,271 --> 01:14:46,064 We're not gonna stop it. 1552 01:14:46,149 --> 01:14:49,985 But it is a public hearing, and it just seems like 1553 01:14:50,069 --> 01:14:52,029 there's an opportunity to say something. 1554 01:14:52,113 --> 01:14:54,782 Wh-What are you looking for, Senator? 1555 01:14:54,865 --> 01:14:57,368 I don't know, something to move the study forward, 1556 01:14:57,452 --> 01:15:00,371 to break us out of this stalemate. 1557 01:15:02,707 --> 01:15:03,957 Any ideas? 1558 01:15:09,087 --> 01:15:10,715 Senator, there is a document. 1559 01:15:19,015 --> 01:15:20,390 (KEYPAD BEEPS) 1560 01:15:23,101 --> 01:15:25,395 (LIGHTS CLINKING) 1561 01:15:41,203 --> 01:15:43,581 (DRAWER OPENS, CLOSES) 1562 01:15:48,127 --> 01:15:50,212 (KEYPAD BEEPS) 1563 01:15:50,296 --> 01:15:51,922 You ever sleep, bro? 1564 01:15:52,006 --> 01:15:53,882 (CHUCKLES): I used to. 1565 01:15:53,966 --> 01:15:55,842 - Got in the way of work. - (SCANNER BEEPS) 1566 01:15:55,926 --> 01:15:58,637 Anything in that bag contain the real names of CIA officers, 1567 01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:00,847 assets or partners, or any information 1568 01:16:00,931 --> 01:16:03,100 that would be in violation of the agreement between 1569 01:16:03,184 --> 01:16:05,895 the Central Intelligence Agency and the United States Senate? 1570 01:16:05,979 --> 01:16:08,689 - Have a good night, Jay. - You, too, Dan. 1571 01:16:42,222 --> 01:16:43,807 (LOCK CLICKS) 1572 01:16:59,990 --> 01:17:01,242 (GAVEL BANGING) 1573 01:17:01,326 --> 01:17:03,328 The committee will come to order. 1574 01:17:03,411 --> 01:17:05,037 - (CROWD MURMURING) - (CAMERAS CLICKING) 1575 01:17:05,121 --> 01:17:07,707 Today, we are gathered for the confirmation hearing 1576 01:17:07,789 --> 01:17:12,377 of Caroline Krass to be general counsel of the CIA. 1577 01:17:12,462 --> 01:17:14,963 Welcome, Ms. Krass. 1578 01:17:15,047 --> 01:17:17,216 I'm honored to be here before the committee, 1579 01:17:17,300 --> 01:17:20,177 and I'd like to take this moment to acknowledge my family 1580 01:17:20,261 --> 01:17:22,637 and thank them for their support. 1581 01:17:22,721 --> 01:17:24,140 Thank you. 1582 01:17:24,222 --> 01:17:26,809 Uh, before we begin, I would like to remind members 1583 01:17:26,893 --> 01:17:29,395 not to discuss classified topics 1584 01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:33,483 or ask questions which require a classified answer. 1585 01:17:33,565 --> 01:17:36,444 With that said, I turn to Senator Udall. 1586 01:17:36,527 --> 01:17:38,445 Ms. Krass, nice to see you again. 1587 01:17:38,529 --> 01:17:40,238 We had a chance to sit down last week 1588 01:17:40,323 --> 01:17:41,615 and discuss the Senate's study 1589 01:17:41,698 --> 01:17:43,993 on the Detention and Interrogation Program. 1590 01:17:44,077 --> 01:17:49,414 You told me you found the study to be hard reading. 1591 01:17:49,498 --> 01:17:51,458 Also, last week, a number of articles appeared 1592 01:17:51,542 --> 01:17:53,502 discussing the one-year anniversary 1593 01:17:53,586 --> 01:17:55,505 of the vote to approve the committee's study. 1594 01:17:55,587 --> 01:17:57,547 And in one of those articles, 1595 01:17:57,631 --> 01:18:01,469 the CIA claimed to have found significant errors. 1596 01:18:01,551 --> 01:18:04,555 Now, I got to tell you, I don't believe that is accurate. 1597 01:18:04,639 --> 01:18:07,766 In fact, I'm more confident than ever 1598 01:18:07,850 --> 01:18:11,770 in the factual accuracy of the committee's study. 1599 01:18:11,854 --> 01:18:16,024 I WANT TO SAY THAT AGAIN: I'm more confident than ever. 1600 01:18:17,275 --> 01:18:19,444 It appears that the CIA performed their own study 1601 01:18:19,529 --> 01:18:24,033 of the EIT program, initiated by former Director Panetta. 1602 01:18:24,117 --> 01:18:26,452 - (QUIET WHISPERING) - And the findings 1603 01:18:26,536 --> 01:18:28,871 in that review are entirely consistent 1604 01:18:28,954 --> 01:18:33,167 with our committee's report, but amazingly conflicts with 1605 01:18:33,251 --> 01:18:35,336 the CIA's official response to that report. 1606 01:18:35,420 --> 01:18:38,088 - (QUIET MURMURING) - (CAMERAS CLICKING) 1607 01:18:38,171 --> 01:18:41,634 So, why is a review the CIA conducted internally, 1608 01:18:41,716 --> 01:18:45,680 and never revealed to Congress, so different from 1609 01:18:45,762 --> 01:18:49,350 the CIA's formal response to the committee's report? 1610 01:18:49,434 --> 01:18:51,644 Do you have an answer for that? 1611 01:18:52,395 --> 01:18:56,064 Um, not at this time. 1612 01:19:01,445 --> 01:19:04,489 If I wanted the public to know about the Panetta review, 1613 01:19:04,573 --> 01:19:06,158 I would have told them myself. 1614 01:19:06,242 --> 01:19:07,743 We hear that the Republicans 1615 01:19:07,827 --> 01:19:09,304 are gonna censure Udall for that performance. 1616 01:19:09,328 --> 01:19:10,805 DANIEL: But the review proves our point. 1617 01:19:10,829 --> 01:19:12,372 They found the same things we did. 1618 01:19:12,457 --> 01:19:14,500 The Agency didn't know how or where to hold people, 1619 01:19:14,583 --> 01:19:16,210 didn't know how to interrogate people, 1620 01:19:16,293 --> 01:19:18,587 and, more importantly, the CIA did give it to us. 1621 01:19:18,671 --> 01:19:21,006 I don't know if it was an accident 1622 01:19:21,090 --> 01:19:22,550 or it was a whistle-blower. 1623 01:19:22,632 --> 01:19:24,092 Well, if it was a whistle-blower, 1624 01:19:24,176 --> 01:19:26,554 you may have just exposed them. 1625 01:19:26,636 --> 01:19:28,847 Not to mention yourself. 1626 01:19:53,413 --> 01:19:55,332 (ELECTRONICS BEEPING) 1627 01:20:02,297 --> 01:20:03,673 (KEYPAD BEEPS) 1628 01:20:13,643 --> 01:20:16,686 (CAMERA CLICKING) 1629 01:20:25,863 --> 01:20:27,948 We got something here. 1630 01:20:28,032 --> 01:20:29,951 EASTMAN: The director has asked me here today 1631 01:20:30,033 --> 01:20:32,411 in my capacity as Agency legal counsel. 1632 01:20:32,494 --> 01:20:36,998 What we have to discuss has serious implications. 1633 01:20:37,082 --> 01:20:38,208 All right. 1634 01:20:38,292 --> 01:20:39,728 BRENNAN: We have proof that the staff 1635 01:20:39,752 --> 01:20:41,420 of the Senate Intelligence Committee 1636 01:20:41,503 --> 01:20:44,006 illegally gained access to the CIA's computer network 1637 01:20:44,090 --> 01:20:46,007 and obtained classified documents. 1638 01:20:47,092 --> 01:20:48,261 What kind of proof? 1639 01:20:48,344 --> 01:20:50,011 We found the document in question 1640 01:20:50,095 --> 01:20:52,014 on Daniel Jones's computer. 1641 01:20:52,097 --> 01:20:55,225 We did not provide it to him or to the committee. 1642 01:20:55,309 --> 01:20:59,188 If he didn't hack us, how did it get there? 1643 01:20:59,271 --> 01:21:02,817 We feel that Jones and his team need to be disciplined. 1644 01:21:04,527 --> 01:21:06,570 Immediate dismissal is in order, 1645 01:21:06,654 --> 01:21:09,114 at a minimum, I would think. 1646 01:21:10,699 --> 01:21:14,662 John, are you saying that you broke into the computer system 1647 01:21:14,744 --> 01:21:16,413 of the United States Senate? 1648 01:21:16,497 --> 01:21:18,256 We never gave you clearance on that document. 1649 01:21:18,291 --> 01:21:22,043 It was classified, yet you chose to make it public. 1650 01:21:22,127 --> 01:21:23,729 We've made our investigation and our findings 1651 01:21:23,753 --> 01:21:24,838 known to the White House. 1652 01:21:24,921 --> 01:21:27,675 DANIEL: You're fucking kidding me. 1653 01:21:29,092 --> 01:21:30,927 They're saying I broke into 1654 01:21:31,011 --> 01:21:34,015 the most top secret computer system in the world? 1655 01:21:34,097 --> 01:21:36,182 - Brennan and Eastman came over... - Eastman? 1656 01:21:36,266 --> 01:21:38,161 Eastman's name is in the report over a thousand times. 1657 01:21:38,185 --> 01:21:40,604 - That's not a conflict? - Dan. 1658 01:21:40,688 --> 01:21:43,440 They filed a criminal referral against you. 1659 01:21:43,524 --> 01:21:45,900 They want you gone. 1660 01:21:48,904 --> 01:21:51,573 H-How did the Agency come to the conclusion 1661 01:21:51,657 --> 01:21:52,824 that I'm a hacker? 1662 01:21:52,908 --> 01:21:54,707 H-How do they even know what's on my computer? 1663 01:21:54,743 --> 01:21:56,494 They say they conducted a search. 1664 01:21:56,578 --> 01:21:58,038 Of the United States Senate? 1665 01:21:58,122 --> 01:21:59,932 The whole reason this committee was established 1666 01:21:59,957 --> 01:22:01,876 in the first place was to stop the CIA 1667 01:22:01,958 --> 01:22:03,252 from spying on U.S. citizens. 1668 01:22:03,336 --> 01:22:04,938 The senator is talking to Harry Reid about 1669 01:22:04,962 --> 01:22:06,689 - that very thing... - Did they go into that room? 1670 01:22:06,713 --> 01:22:08,609 That room is off-limits. Did they go into that fucking room? 1671 01:22:08,632 --> 01:22:10,301 I don't know. 1672 01:22:11,636 --> 01:22:13,261 I don't know. 1673 01:22:14,889 --> 01:22:17,432 I do know that the Republicans are gonna run with this. 1674 01:22:17,515 --> 01:22:19,476 They're gonna use it to discredit the report. 1675 01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:21,936 They're gonna use it to discredit you. 1676 01:22:23,605 --> 01:22:26,067 Dan, they're accusing you of breaking the law. 1677 01:22:26,149 --> 01:22:27,734 You're gonna need a lawyer. 1678 01:22:32,782 --> 01:22:34,992 DANIEL: There's a saying at the Agency: 1679 01:22:35,076 --> 01:22:36,368 "Admit nothing, 1680 01:22:36,452 --> 01:22:38,537 deny everything, make counteraccusations." 1681 01:22:38,621 --> 01:22:40,747 - That's what they're doing. - (FOOTSTEPS APPROACHING) 1682 01:22:40,831 --> 01:22:42,707 CLIFFORD: The CIA is investigating you for... 1683 01:22:42,792 --> 01:22:44,935 DANIEL: They're the ones who should be investigated, not me. 1684 01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:47,546 Mr. Jones? Mr. Clifford will see you now. 1685 01:22:47,630 --> 01:22:49,172 DANIEL: Our computer system 1686 01:22:49,256 --> 01:22:52,051 isn't even connected to the CIA mainframe. 1687 01:22:52,134 --> 01:22:53,844 So did I just go over to Langley 1688 01:22:53,927 --> 01:22:55,095 and break in on a weekend? 1689 01:22:55,179 --> 01:22:56,971 Seems unlikely. 1690 01:22:57,055 --> 01:22:58,974 So what evidence do they have? 1691 01:22:59,057 --> 01:23:01,060 A document. 1692 01:23:02,144 --> 01:23:04,479 A document? What kind of a document? 1693 01:23:07,274 --> 01:23:08,984 I can't tell you that. 1694 01:23:09,068 --> 01:23:12,029 Because, what, it's classified? 1695 01:23:12,113 --> 01:23:14,198 I was tasked to lead an investigation 1696 01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:16,701 into a CIA program they started after 9/11, 1697 01:23:16,783 --> 01:23:19,036 what they called enhanced interrogation. 1698 01:23:19,119 --> 01:23:23,123 And I assume your work is critical of the Agency? 1699 01:23:25,501 --> 01:23:27,795 You know, Dan, a lot of people in this country 1700 01:23:27,877 --> 01:23:29,505 felt the CIA was justified in doing 1701 01:23:29,587 --> 01:23:31,465 whatever they had to do to keep us safe. 1702 01:23:31,548 --> 01:23:33,801 I have friends who lost people that day. 1703 01:23:33,884 --> 01:23:36,470 And a lot of people watch 24 on Thursday nights 1704 01:23:36,554 --> 01:23:38,139 and hear Jack Bauer say, 1705 01:23:38,221 --> 01:23:39,822 "I don't want to bypass the Constitution, 1706 01:23:39,849 --> 01:23:41,559 but these are extraordinary circumstances," 1707 01:23:41,641 --> 01:23:43,978 just before, you know, he s-sticks a knife in them 1708 01:23:44,060 --> 01:23:45,604 and makes them give up a plot. 1709 01:23:45,688 --> 01:23:47,605 It-it doesn't work that way. 1710 01:23:48,690 --> 01:23:52,027 Well, as Winston Churchill said, 1711 01:23:52,110 --> 01:23:55,029 "History is written by the victors." 1712 01:23:57,115 --> 01:23:59,452 Churchill didn't really say that; Hermann Goring did. 1713 01:23:59,534 --> 01:24:01,828 And what he said was, "We will go down in history" 1714 01:24:01,912 --> 01:24:03,706 either as the world's greatest statesmen 1715 01:24:03,788 --> 01:24:05,373 "or its worst villains." 1716 01:24:05,457 --> 01:24:08,752 So your report is gonna determine that: 1717 01:24:08,836 --> 01:24:10,503 statesmen or villains? 1718 01:24:14,048 --> 01:24:17,595 How long have you been working on this project, Dan? 1719 01:24:17,677 --> 01:24:19,805 Five years. 1720 01:24:19,889 --> 01:24:22,682 Five years, and it could all go away, 1721 01:24:22,766 --> 01:24:26,395 just vanish in the face of these allegations. 1722 01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:27,896 I can certainly imagine 1723 01:24:27,979 --> 01:24:30,608 an ambitious young man like yourself spends years 1724 01:24:30,690 --> 01:24:33,860 with his head buried in some terrible spectacle, 1725 01:24:33,944 --> 01:24:36,070 gets frustrated with the process, 1726 01:24:36,154 --> 01:24:38,908 sees an opportunity to get the truth out faster, 1727 01:24:38,990 --> 01:24:40,242 maybe crosses a line. 1728 01:24:40,326 --> 01:24:41,970 I'm assuming this is the most important thing 1729 01:24:41,993 --> 01:24:43,805 - you've ever been a part of. - I didn't do it. 1730 01:24:43,828 --> 01:24:45,456 Or I can see an equally ambitious senator 1731 01:24:45,538 --> 01:24:46,807 encouraging you to do something. 1732 01:24:46,832 --> 01:24:48,501 Now would be a good time to tell me. 1733 01:24:48,583 --> 01:24:49,918 That did not happen. 1734 01:24:50,002 --> 01:24:51,796 What I did, I did on my own. I acted alone. 1735 01:24:51,878 --> 01:24:53,689 - So you did steal the document? - I did not steal it. 1736 01:24:53,713 --> 01:24:55,065 - You needed it to... - I relocated it. 1737 01:24:55,090 --> 01:24:56,175 I put it in a safe. 1738 01:24:56,257 --> 01:24:58,301 If they had a way of destroying tapes, 1739 01:24:58,385 --> 01:24:59,904 - then surely they could get... - Everyone has their own words. 1740 01:24:59,929 --> 01:25:01,596 The language is built to choose sides. 1741 01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:03,974 Now, why did you relocate it? 1742 01:25:08,270 --> 01:25:10,855 Documents had a way of disappearing off the server. 1743 01:25:10,939 --> 01:25:14,443 For instance, in 2010, over 800 documents 1744 01:25:14,527 --> 01:25:17,488 just vanished without any explanation. 1745 01:25:17,570 --> 01:25:20,198 So you had computer issues all along. 1746 01:25:21,367 --> 01:25:23,159 Who else knew what was on the computers? 1747 01:25:23,243 --> 01:25:25,996 Well, the CIA hired an outside firm to vet the documents: 1748 01:25:26,079 --> 01:25:27,331 CENTRA. 1749 01:25:27,413 --> 01:25:29,332 And CACI was also involved. 1750 01:25:29,416 --> 01:25:31,210 - Who are they? - Contractors. 1751 01:25:31,292 --> 01:25:33,087 But Jim Pavitt is on their board. 1752 01:25:34,630 --> 01:25:37,006 Former deputy director of operations for the CIA, 1753 01:25:37,091 --> 01:25:40,261 Jim Pavitt, during the program, Jim Pavitt. 1754 01:25:40,344 --> 01:25:42,179 And is he named in the report? 1755 01:25:43,471 --> 01:25:44,765 Can't tell me. 1756 01:25:46,015 --> 01:25:48,726 So they can't destroy the document. (SIGHS) 1757 01:25:48,810 --> 01:25:51,896 Then they can go after THE NEXT BEST THING: you. 1758 01:25:51,980 --> 01:25:54,108 Make you a zealot. 1759 01:25:54,190 --> 01:25:57,278 Anything you touch is tainted. 1760 01:25:57,360 --> 01:25:59,779 I could see the Agency saying that this is a violation 1761 01:25:59,863 --> 01:26:04,577 of the Espionage Act, the... Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, 1762 01:26:04,659 --> 01:26:06,871 uh, who knows what else. 1763 01:26:06,953 --> 01:26:08,872 And if they file a charge against me, 1764 01:26:08,956 --> 01:26:10,748 how long could I go away for? 1765 01:26:10,832 --> 01:26:13,836 I don't know. 20 years, maybe more. 1766 01:26:18,631 --> 01:26:20,759 (SIGHS) 1767 01:26:23,929 --> 01:26:27,474 I did not hack into the CIA computer system. 1768 01:26:29,475 --> 01:26:33,479 I mean, my com... my computer skills stop at Microsoft Word. 1769 01:26:33,564 --> 01:26:35,274 They probably know that. 1770 01:26:35,356 --> 01:26:36,859 LET ME ASK YOU SOMETHING: 1771 01:26:36,942 --> 01:26:39,194 How much does a Senate staffer make? 1772 01:26:39,278 --> 01:26:41,029 At my level? About-about a hundred grand. 1773 01:26:41,113 --> 01:26:43,657 Any retirement, savings, family money? 1774 01:26:43,740 --> 01:26:45,951 No. 1775 01:26:46,034 --> 01:26:48,453 So, we should discuss my retainer. 1776 01:26:48,537 --> 01:26:50,914 - How much is that? - $30,000 to start. 1777 01:26:50,997 --> 01:26:53,583 And if it goes to trial, add a zero. 1778 01:26:55,336 --> 01:26:56,795 Nothing could make them happier 1779 01:26:56,878 --> 01:26:59,297 than knowing you're sitting here talking to me. 1780 01:26:59,381 --> 01:27:00,925 That's what they want, Dan. 1781 01:27:01,007 --> 01:27:05,179 Make you bleed money all over my floor. 1782 01:27:05,261 --> 01:27:08,265 Do you want my expert opinion, for free? 1783 01:27:08,349 --> 01:27:11,769 You don't really have a legal problem. 1784 01:27:11,851 --> 01:27:14,063 You have a sunlight problem. 1785 01:27:14,145 --> 01:27:17,774 I'm sure you know people who can help you solve it. 1786 01:27:31,704 --> 01:27:33,247 Daniel Jones. 1787 01:27:33,332 --> 01:27:34,768 I didn't think you'd ever return my calls. 1788 01:27:34,792 --> 01:27:36,231 Does your boss know you're talking to 1789 01:27:36,292 --> 01:27:38,002 a guy with a byline and a tape recorder? 1790 01:27:38,087 --> 01:27:39,396 There's something going on I think you should look into. 1791 01:27:39,421 --> 01:27:41,715 It involves the Agency. 1792 01:27:43,384 --> 01:27:45,927 Okay. Is it that report you've been working on, 1793 01:27:46,011 --> 01:27:47,595 the one that never quite comes out? 1794 01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:50,556 Computers. It has to do with the hacking of computers. 1795 01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:52,976 All right, whose? 1796 01:27:54,686 --> 01:27:56,939 The United States Senate. 1797 01:27:57,021 --> 01:27:59,358 Someone hacked into the Senate? 1798 01:28:01,443 --> 01:28:03,153 No shit? Okay. 1799 01:28:03,237 --> 01:28:06,239 You have any idea if it was foreign or domestic? 1800 01:28:06,323 --> 01:28:08,033 Uh, all right, yes, you... 1801 01:28:08,117 --> 01:28:09,702 Sorry, you said it was the Agency. 1802 01:28:09,784 --> 01:28:11,787 So what-what does the CIA 1803 01:28:11,869 --> 01:28:13,305 have to do with U.S. Senate computers? 1804 01:28:13,329 --> 01:28:14,682 Evan, you're the national security reporter 1805 01:28:14,707 --> 01:28:15,707 for The New York Times. 1806 01:28:15,748 --> 01:28:18,460 You can figure it out. All right? 1807 01:28:18,543 --> 01:28:20,128 (SIGHS) 1808 01:28:21,130 --> 01:28:22,881 - Hmm. - (KNOCK ON DOOR) 1809 01:28:23,841 --> 01:28:25,050 Morning, Senator. 1810 01:28:25,134 --> 01:28:26,592 You wanted to see me? 1811 01:28:26,676 --> 01:28:28,595 MORRIS: You know anything about this? 1812 01:28:28,679 --> 01:28:33,016 "Computer Searches at Center of Dispute on CIA Detentions." 1813 01:28:33,100 --> 01:28:34,976 You have any idea how that ended up 1814 01:28:35,060 --> 01:28:36,895 - in The New York Times? - Yeah, I saw that. 1815 01:28:36,979 --> 01:28:38,521 It looks accurate. 1816 01:28:38,604 --> 01:28:41,399 Senator McCain is already calling the CIA a rogue agency. 1817 01:28:41,483 --> 01:28:42,775 What are your thoughts on 1818 01:28:42,859 --> 01:28:45,445 someone like Edward Snowden, Dan? 1819 01:28:45,529 --> 01:28:48,323 W-Well, Senator, I know how you feel about leaks. 1820 01:28:48,407 --> 01:28:50,993 I think he's a traitor, plain and simple. 1821 01:28:51,076 --> 01:28:52,828 It's my job to provide oversight 1822 01:28:52,911 --> 01:28:54,454 with the tools of governance, 1823 01:28:54,537 --> 01:28:57,416 not lights and cameras and headlines. 1824 01:28:58,667 --> 01:29:00,293 (SIGHS) 1825 01:29:01,837 --> 01:29:03,713 Do you want me to resign? 1826 01:29:07,426 --> 01:29:09,261 No. 1827 01:29:09,344 --> 01:29:12,221 But I think I might need you to write me a speech. 1828 01:29:12,305 --> 01:29:15,016 (APPLAUSE) 1829 01:29:16,310 --> 01:29:18,353 AMES: Senator Feinstein claimed today 1830 01:29:18,436 --> 01:29:21,731 on the Senate floor that the CIA hacked 1831 01:29:21,814 --> 01:29:23,609 the Senate Intelligence Committee's computers 1832 01:29:23,692 --> 01:29:26,153 to thwart an investigation into past practices. 1833 01:29:26,235 --> 01:29:27,654 Can you respond to that? 1834 01:29:27,738 --> 01:29:31,115 Well, first, we in no way, shape or form 1835 01:29:31,199 --> 01:29:34,161 tried to thwart the release of the report. 1836 01:29:34,243 --> 01:29:36,829 - (CAMERAS CLICKING) - Uh, we want that behind us. 1837 01:29:36,913 --> 01:29:39,666 As far as this allegation that the CIA 1838 01:29:39,750 --> 01:29:42,502 somehow hacked into the Senate computer system, 1839 01:29:42,586 --> 01:29:46,547 (SIGHS) nothing could be further from the truth. 1840 01:29:46,631 --> 01:29:49,009 We just wouldn't do that. 1841 01:29:49,092 --> 01:29:51,095 It's beyond the scope of reason. 1842 01:30:01,646 --> 01:30:03,398 Thank you. 1843 01:30:03,481 --> 01:30:05,192 I understand your position, Senator, 1844 01:30:05,274 --> 01:30:07,735 and I am aware of Director Brennan's comments. 1845 01:30:07,819 --> 01:30:09,819 Did you hear what Lindsey Graham said this morning, 1846 01:30:09,863 --> 01:30:12,740 about the Agency breaking into our computers? 1847 01:30:12,824 --> 01:30:15,993 "The legislative branch should declare war on the CIA. 1848 01:30:16,078 --> 01:30:19,664 Heads should roll, people should go to jail." 1849 01:30:19,747 --> 01:30:23,085 Is that what you want? Send people to jail? 1850 01:30:23,167 --> 01:30:25,796 We do have jails for a reason. 1851 01:30:25,878 --> 01:30:28,047 The Justice Department investigated the CIA, 1852 01:30:28,131 --> 01:30:29,882 and they decided not to prosecute. 1853 01:30:29,966 --> 01:30:32,176 It's their call, not ours. 1854 01:30:32,261 --> 01:30:34,637 Now, when this administration took office, 1855 01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:36,265 we faced the very real possibility 1856 01:30:36,347 --> 01:30:38,766 of economic collapse. 1857 01:30:38,850 --> 01:30:40,310 WE HAD A DECISION TO MAKE: 1858 01:30:40,394 --> 01:30:42,604 Do we spend our political capital on going around 1859 01:30:42,688 --> 01:30:45,439 trying to find people to blame, or do we solve the problem? 1860 01:30:45,524 --> 01:30:47,359 Maybe the way to solve the problem 1861 01:30:47,442 --> 01:30:49,778 is to hold people accountable. 1862 01:30:49,862 --> 01:30:52,488 Do you ever wonder why history repeats itself? 1863 01:30:52,573 --> 01:30:54,115 Well, I think maybe it's because 1864 01:30:54,198 --> 01:30:55,742 we don't always listen the first time. 1865 01:30:55,826 --> 01:30:59,203 Senator, the people at the Agency... they have families. 1866 01:30:59,287 --> 01:31:02,166 There are children who might lose a parent. 1867 01:31:02,248 --> 01:31:04,585 (SETS DOWN CUP) 1868 01:31:04,667 --> 01:31:09,172 Years ago, some radical group put a bomb in the flower box 1869 01:31:09,256 --> 01:31:12,551 outside of my daughter's bedroom window, right out here. 1870 01:31:12,634 --> 01:31:15,429 Had it been any warmer out, it would have exploded. 1871 01:31:15,511 --> 01:31:16,889 And then there was the time 1872 01:31:16,971 --> 01:31:21,018 that I found Harvey Milk shot to death in his office. 1873 01:31:21,100 --> 01:31:24,061 I-I think I'm aware of the risks of public service. 1874 01:31:24,145 --> 01:31:27,274 President Obama ended the torture program 1875 01:31:27,356 --> 01:31:29,734 three days after taking office. 1876 01:31:29,818 --> 01:31:34,405 The EITs, what the CIA did... That is not our mess. 1877 01:31:34,488 --> 01:31:35,990 No, it's not, 1878 01:31:36,073 --> 01:31:39,578 but that's not the question we're asking, is it? 1879 01:31:39,661 --> 01:31:43,957 THE QUESTION WE'RE ASKING IS: Who is going to clean it up? 1880 01:31:44,041 --> 01:31:45,626 So let's do that. 1881 01:31:45,708 --> 01:31:50,505 Right after Director Brennan apologizes to me and my staff. 1882 01:31:52,173 --> 01:31:53,841 ASSISTANT: The inspector general is here. 1883 01:31:53,926 --> 01:31:55,636 Go ahead in. 1884 01:31:55,719 --> 01:31:59,680 BUCKLEY: In regards to the CIA search of Senate computers, 1885 01:31:59,765 --> 01:32:01,641 we've looked into the matter 1886 01:32:01,725 --> 01:32:04,936 and have recommended that the Department of Justice 1887 01:32:05,020 --> 01:32:06,979 begin a criminal investigation. 1888 01:32:07,064 --> 01:32:08,064 EASTMAN: Good. 1889 01:32:08,105 --> 01:32:09,815 So have we. 1890 01:32:09,899 --> 01:32:12,277 Dan Jones, lead Senate investigator. 1891 01:32:12,360 --> 01:32:14,947 Not the Senate staff. 1892 01:32:15,029 --> 01:32:16,823 The CIA. 1893 01:32:16,907 --> 01:32:18,492 Us? 1894 01:32:18,574 --> 01:32:22,078 Are-are you accusing me or my staff of breaking the law? 1895 01:32:22,162 --> 01:32:24,288 My understanding is that five CIA employees 1896 01:32:24,372 --> 01:32:27,125 entered a room that was off-limits. 1897 01:32:27,208 --> 01:32:28,335 On whose orders? 1898 01:32:28,417 --> 01:32:30,587 Senator Feinstein is right to call this 1899 01:32:30,671 --> 01:32:32,713 a violation of the separation of powers. 1900 01:32:32,797 --> 01:32:37,301 The CIA cannot spy on the U.S. Congress. 1901 01:32:39,220 --> 01:32:41,765 As inspector general, I'm gonna have to launch 1902 01:32:41,847 --> 01:32:45,978 a full investigation into the Agency's actions. 1903 01:32:46,060 --> 01:32:48,188 (SIGHS) 1904 01:33:01,827 --> 01:33:04,203 (FEINSTEIN SIGHS) 1905 01:33:05,997 --> 01:33:07,373 Am I going to jail? 1906 01:33:07,457 --> 01:33:09,501 FEINSTEIN: No, they're dropping the charges. 1907 01:33:09,583 --> 01:33:11,295 You're going back to work. 1908 01:33:11,377 --> 01:33:14,046 Take the most important findings, finish the summary... 1909 01:33:14,131 --> 01:33:15,673 No more than 400 pages. 1910 01:33:15,756 --> 01:33:19,636 I'm going to ask the committee to vote to release it. 1911 01:33:25,641 --> 01:33:27,476 MCDONOUGH: So, you saw they voted. 1912 01:33:27,560 --> 01:33:29,061 11 to three. 1913 01:33:29,145 --> 01:33:31,398 They want to release an executive summary. 1914 01:33:31,480 --> 01:33:33,817 That thing goes out, it puts my people in danger, 1915 01:33:33,899 --> 01:33:36,694 who are out there in a dangerous world today, 1916 01:33:36,778 --> 01:33:38,154 trying to do their jobs. 1917 01:33:38,238 --> 01:33:39,864 Pulls the rug out from under them. 1918 01:33:39,948 --> 01:33:43,034 Anything that you feel puts your people in harm's way 1919 01:33:43,118 --> 01:33:44,368 stays classified. 1920 01:33:44,453 --> 01:33:47,247 MY CONCERN IS THIS: If-if the Senate puts out 1921 01:33:47,331 --> 01:33:49,248 a small pile of pages and the press goes nuts, 1922 01:33:49,332 --> 01:33:52,418 then everybody's gonna want to see a bigger pile of pages. 1923 01:33:52,502 --> 01:33:54,880 You keep saying the president wants to turn the page. 1924 01:33:54,962 --> 01:33:57,048 Well, then turn the page. 1925 01:33:57,131 --> 01:33:59,426 Close the damn book. 1926 01:34:05,097 --> 01:34:07,266 Senator Feinstein has asked the White House 1927 01:34:07,350 --> 01:34:10,645 to head up final comments and redactions. 1928 01:34:10,729 --> 01:34:13,814 She wants us right in the middle of it. 1929 01:34:13,899 --> 01:34:15,192 And? 1930 01:34:15,274 --> 01:34:19,112 And I think that's exactly where you want us. 1931 01:34:19,195 --> 01:34:21,364 You'll have the pen. 1932 01:34:23,283 --> 01:34:24,826 KRASS: Leadership specified 1933 01:34:24,909 --> 01:34:27,162 that we should redact anything that could result in 1934 01:34:27,244 --> 01:34:28,913 legal exposure for officers in the field, 1935 01:34:28,997 --> 01:34:30,916 past or present. 1936 01:34:30,998 --> 01:34:35,045 Basically, if there's any questions, black it out. 1937 01:34:40,841 --> 01:34:43,011 You see this? 1938 01:34:51,019 --> 01:34:52,604 What the... 1939 01:34:52,686 --> 01:34:54,980 fuck is this? 1940 01:34:56,649 --> 01:34:58,402 (MORRIS TALKING QUIETLY) 1941 01:34:58,484 --> 01:34:59,921 DANIEL: Good afternoon. Where's Marcy? 1942 01:34:59,944 --> 01:35:01,029 SECRETARY: Conference room. 1943 01:35:01,113 --> 01:35:02,738 MORRIS: Early the next week. 1944 01:35:02,823 --> 01:35:05,033 Wednesday. 1945 01:35:05,117 --> 01:35:06,409 Yeah, that'll work. 1946 01:35:06,493 --> 01:35:09,203 And you get me the agenda. Thank you. 1947 01:35:11,706 --> 01:35:13,375 Imagine you pick up a book, 1948 01:35:13,457 --> 01:35:16,420 and "blank" turns water into wine on page 237, 1949 01:35:16,502 --> 01:35:19,296 and on page 71 "blank" heals a leper, 1950 01:35:19,381 --> 01:35:22,676 and on page 295 "blank" rises from the dead. 1951 01:35:22,759 --> 01:35:25,052 How do you know the blanks are all the same person? 1952 01:35:25,136 --> 01:35:27,721 I thought that the CIA agreed to using pseudonyms. 1953 01:35:27,805 --> 01:35:30,600 They did, but now even the fake names are gone. 1954 01:35:30,684 --> 01:35:33,060 And the dates. 1955 01:35:34,979 --> 01:35:36,856 The entire story is gone. 1956 01:35:44,280 --> 01:35:47,199 I hope you took your strong pills today. 1957 01:35:48,827 --> 01:35:51,454 MCDONOUGH: Isn't it enough to know what actually happened? 1958 01:35:51,537 --> 01:35:53,998 Do we need to know the names of the people involved? 1959 01:35:54,082 --> 01:35:55,792 But the actual names aren't in the report. 1960 01:35:55,876 --> 01:35:57,836 Someone could figure out who our people are 1961 01:35:57,918 --> 01:35:59,003 based on their pseudonyms. 1962 01:35:59,087 --> 01:36:00,921 You know, I found a photo of my husband 1963 01:36:01,006 --> 01:36:02,923 on the Internet linking him to me. 1964 01:36:03,007 --> 01:36:04,467 Secrecy is very hard to maintain. 1965 01:36:04,551 --> 01:36:06,279 I believe you introduced your husband publicly 1966 01:36:06,302 --> 01:36:07,636 at your confirmation hearing. 1967 01:36:07,720 --> 01:36:08,721 It was on C-SPAN. 1968 01:36:08,805 --> 01:36:10,265 Some of these people... 1969 01:36:10,347 --> 01:36:12,391 They are out there in the world, right now. 1970 01:36:12,475 --> 01:36:13,476 Yes, they are. 1971 01:36:13,560 --> 01:36:15,103 There's an officer from Alec Station 1972 01:36:15,186 --> 01:36:17,229 mentioned 41 times in 500 pages. 1973 01:36:17,314 --> 01:36:19,231 In 1998, her team missed the bombing 1974 01:36:19,315 --> 01:36:22,027 of the U.S. embassy in Kenya and Tanzania. 1975 01:36:22,109 --> 01:36:23,403 1999, they missed the bombing 1976 01:36:23,487 --> 01:36:25,238 of the Marriott Hotel in Islamabad. 1977 01:36:25,322 --> 01:36:28,908 In 2000, she was made aware of two Al Qaeda operatives 1978 01:36:28,992 --> 01:36:30,743 who arrived in Los Angeles. 1979 01:36:30,827 --> 01:36:32,430 FBI officers, working within the bin Laden unit, 1980 01:36:32,453 --> 01:36:33,913 requested permission to investigate. 1981 01:36:33,997 --> 01:36:35,623 That's not how we want to play it. 1982 01:36:35,707 --> 01:36:38,042 DANIEL: The CIA knew they were on American soil 1983 01:36:38,126 --> 01:36:39,961 and didn't do anything. 1984 01:36:40,045 --> 01:36:42,296 Al-Mihdhar then left the States to play a key role 1985 01:36:42,380 --> 01:36:43,923 in the bombing of the USS Cole, 1986 01:36:44,006 --> 01:36:47,010 before returning to hijack Flight 77 with al-Hazmi 1987 01:36:47,092 --> 01:36:48,677 and crash into the Pentagon. 1988 01:36:48,761 --> 01:36:51,096 FEINSTEIN: And you want to protect this person's identity. 1989 01:36:51,180 --> 01:36:52,640 KRASS: We'd also like to redact 1990 01:36:52,724 --> 01:36:54,309 the pseudonyms of the contractors. 1991 01:36:54,391 --> 01:36:58,020 Dr. Mitchell was already quoted by name in The New Yorker. 1992 01:36:58,104 --> 01:37:00,814 He was handing out brochures at professional conferences 1993 01:37:00,899 --> 01:37:03,025 telling people he worked for the CIA. 1994 01:37:03,109 --> 01:37:05,694 If we are protecting the identities of CIA staff, 1995 01:37:05,779 --> 01:37:08,030 we need to protect our contractors as well. 1996 01:37:08,113 --> 01:37:10,324 Mitchell and Jessen were given a contract by the Agency 1997 01:37:10,408 --> 01:37:11,952 for a program that didn't work. 1998 01:37:12,034 --> 01:37:13,755 The CIA also agreed to a five million dollar 1999 01:37:13,828 --> 01:37:16,706 indemnification clause for their company that covered, 2000 01:37:16,789 --> 01:37:19,876 among other expenses, criminal prosecution. 2001 01:37:19,960 --> 01:37:23,337 You know, I kept the rag we used on KSM. 2002 01:37:23,421 --> 01:37:27,216 You should eBay that bad boy when this is all over. 2003 01:37:27,300 --> 01:37:30,052 Make a mint. (CHUCKLES SOFTLY) 2004 01:37:30,136 --> 01:37:31,887 DANIEL: An internal CIA memo concluded 2005 01:37:31,971 --> 01:37:34,724 that Mitchell and Jessen "have both shown blatant disregard" 2006 01:37:34,807 --> 01:37:38,561 for the ethics shared by almost all of their colleagues." 2007 01:37:38,645 --> 01:37:41,439 The pseudonyms for the contractors need to stay. 2008 01:37:41,523 --> 01:37:43,692 (PAGE TURNS) 2009 01:37:43,774 --> 01:37:45,418 MCDONOUGH: Guys, we've been at this for months. 2010 01:37:45,443 --> 01:37:46,796 DANIEL: What about the locations of the black sites? 2011 01:37:46,819 --> 01:37:48,238 The country names? 2012 01:37:48,320 --> 01:37:49,548 We made commitments to those countries 2013 01:37:49,573 --> 01:37:50,782 to maintain their secrecy. 2014 01:37:50,864 --> 01:37:52,242 No country names. 2015 01:37:52,324 --> 01:37:53,827 Not open to negotiating these points. 2016 01:37:53,909 --> 01:37:56,371 We need to consider the morale of the CIA here. 2017 01:37:56,453 --> 01:37:57,913 Now, we-we publish this report, 2018 01:37:57,997 --> 01:38:00,457 - there's a very good chance we could lose them. - Lose them? 2019 01:38:00,542 --> 01:38:02,127 What does that mean? 2020 01:38:02,210 --> 01:38:04,145 What about the morale of all the people at the Agency 2021 01:38:04,170 --> 01:38:05,480 who spoke out against the program? 2022 01:38:05,505 --> 01:38:06,840 What about them? 2023 01:38:06,922 --> 01:38:08,925 People who sent cables back from black sites 2024 01:38:09,009 --> 01:38:10,551 saying they wanted to be transferred 2025 01:38:10,635 --> 01:38:12,613 because they were disgusted by what was being done. 2026 01:38:12,636 --> 01:38:13,971 All right, uh, look. 2027 01:38:14,055 --> 01:38:15,974 We have... Dan more than anyone... 2028 01:38:16,056 --> 01:38:18,310 Have worked to uncover the truth about this 2029 01:38:18,393 --> 01:38:19,644 when no one else would. 2030 01:38:19,728 --> 01:38:21,813 We will not allow this to be covered up 2031 01:38:21,895 --> 01:38:23,105 by the executive branch. 2032 01:38:23,189 --> 01:38:24,815 President Obama called it torture. 2033 01:38:24,899 --> 01:38:26,400 Bush and Cheney wouldn't do that. 2034 01:38:26,484 --> 01:38:30,070 He signed an executive order getting rid of it. 2035 01:38:30,154 --> 01:38:31,530 Now, just imagine, God forbid, 2036 01:38:31,614 --> 01:38:33,949 there's another terrorist attack on our watch. 2037 01:38:34,033 --> 01:38:35,909 There won't be another Democrat 2038 01:38:35,993 --> 01:38:38,078 in the White House for 20 years. 2039 01:38:38,162 --> 01:38:40,247 DANIEL: I'd also like to talk about the redactions 2040 01:38:40,332 --> 01:38:42,417 - concerning KSM. - (MCDONOUGH SIGHS) 2041 01:38:42,500 --> 01:38:44,877 WOLF BLITZER: Cory Gardner, the Republican challenger, 2042 01:38:44,961 --> 01:38:46,755 will be the next United States senator 2043 01:38:46,837 --> 01:38:48,213 from the state of Colorado, 2044 01:38:48,297 --> 01:38:50,884 defeating the Democratic incumbent, Mark Udall. 2045 01:38:50,966 --> 01:38:53,927 A major, major win for the Republicans. 2046 01:38:54,011 --> 01:38:56,096 Chris Frates is standing by in Colorado. 2047 01:38:56,180 --> 01:38:58,350 FRATES: This is huge for, uh, Colorado, Wolf. 2048 01:38:58,432 --> 01:39:01,478 This is the first time a Republican has won 2049 01:39:01,560 --> 01:39:04,980 the Senate race state-wide in Colorado since 2002. 2050 01:39:05,064 --> 01:39:06,649 Big night for Colorado, 2051 01:39:06,733 --> 01:39:09,944 and a big night for control of the United States Senate. 2052 01:39:12,822 --> 01:39:14,990 She's expecting you. 2053 01:39:15,074 --> 01:39:17,409 FEINSTEIN: So, I just got a call 2054 01:39:17,493 --> 01:39:20,121 from Secretary of State Kerry. 2055 01:39:20,204 --> 01:39:23,248 He thinks that, with the release of the report, 2056 01:39:23,332 --> 01:39:27,127 that the coalition against ISIL could collapse. 2057 01:39:27,212 --> 01:39:29,130 Isn't that a bit convenient? 2058 01:39:29,213 --> 01:39:30,840 - He calls you just before... - Dan. 2059 01:39:30,923 --> 01:39:33,842 Wh-Where did Kerry get his intel on this? The CIA? 2060 01:39:33,926 --> 01:39:37,137 - Is it credible? - Embassies could be attacked. 2061 01:39:37,221 --> 01:39:38,806 Hostages could be killed. 2062 01:39:38,890 --> 01:39:40,891 It's just another stall tactic. 2063 01:39:42,519 --> 01:39:45,063 He suggested giving the report to the president, 2064 01:39:45,145 --> 01:39:48,858 so that it could be released later, when hostilities cease. 2065 01:39:48,942 --> 01:39:51,819 You lose control of the committee in a week, Senator. 2066 01:39:51,903 --> 01:39:53,488 Yes, I am aware of what happens 2067 01:39:53,570 --> 01:39:56,282 when the Republicans are in the majority, Dan. 2068 01:39:57,826 --> 01:40:01,496 Look, I want to get this report out as much as anyone, 2069 01:40:01,578 --> 01:40:04,582 but I have known him a long time. 2070 01:40:04,666 --> 01:40:06,000 I tend to believe him. 2071 01:40:06,083 --> 01:40:07,752 Nobody else is gonna tell this story. 2072 01:40:07,836 --> 01:40:09,313 - MORRIS: Dan, the senator has a luncheon. - If we stop now, 2073 01:40:09,337 --> 01:40:10,713 aren't we a part of the cover-up? 2074 01:40:10,796 --> 01:40:12,756 Strong pills, Senator? 2075 01:40:21,349 --> 01:40:24,935 I think you should go home and get some rest. 2076 01:40:25,019 --> 01:40:26,729 You look tired. 2077 01:40:26,813 --> 01:40:31,109 (SIGHS) Marcy, if I could have five minutes. 2078 01:40:31,192 --> 01:40:33,153 MORRIS: Of course. 2079 01:41:05,726 --> 01:41:07,936 (MEN TALKING QUIETLY) 2080 01:41:44,890 --> 01:41:46,684 (DOORS UNLOCK) 2081 01:42:11,667 --> 01:42:14,837 Did you ever meet a guy called Greg Craig? 2082 01:42:16,463 --> 01:42:19,384 Just in pa... White House counsel when Obama took office? 2083 01:42:19,466 --> 01:42:21,927 - Just in passing. - Right. 2084 01:42:22,011 --> 01:42:26,224 So, right after he got elected, the president asked Craig 2085 01:42:26,306 --> 01:42:28,225 to come up with a plan to deal with 2086 01:42:28,309 --> 01:42:29,894 the aftermath of the torture program. 2087 01:42:29,978 --> 01:42:33,689 So, he got Secretary of Defense Gates, Janet Napolitano, 2088 01:42:33,773 --> 01:42:35,942 Hillary Clinton... Serious people... in a room, 2089 01:42:36,024 --> 01:42:39,444 and he asked for their recommendation. 2090 01:42:39,529 --> 01:42:42,739 - And? - A-And the consensus 2091 01:42:42,823 --> 01:42:44,783 was that the president should appoint 2092 01:42:44,868 --> 01:42:46,618 an independent bipartisan commission 2093 01:42:46,703 --> 01:42:48,787 into interrogations and detainee treatment, 2094 01:42:48,872 --> 01:42:51,623 like a deep dive into what worked and what didn't 2095 01:42:51,707 --> 01:42:54,918 and... who was responsible. 2096 01:42:55,002 --> 01:42:56,921 You know, like what they did after 9/11, 2097 01:42:57,005 --> 01:43:00,007 and like what you've been trying to do. 2098 01:43:00,091 --> 01:43:01,676 So why didn't they do that? 2099 01:43:01,759 --> 01:43:04,804 Well, evidently, the president listened closely 2100 01:43:04,887 --> 01:43:06,597 to the recommendation. 2101 01:43:06,680 --> 01:43:10,726 He then thought about it, and then he said no. 2102 01:43:10,810 --> 01:43:15,023 He'd spent an entire campaign saying he was post-partisan, 2103 01:43:15,105 --> 01:43:17,233 so going after the Bush administration 2104 01:43:17,317 --> 01:43:19,527 flew in the face of all that. 2105 01:43:19,610 --> 01:43:24,239 And right then, everyone in that room changed their minds. 2106 01:43:24,323 --> 01:43:28,619 THEY SIDED WITH THE PRESIDENT: no independent commission. 2107 01:43:28,703 --> 01:43:31,413 Everyone except Craig, 2108 01:43:31,497 --> 01:43:34,876 because he thought it was too important. 2109 01:43:34,958 --> 01:43:36,836 You couldn't just torture people, 2110 01:43:36,920 --> 01:43:40,923 lie about it, and then hide it from history. 2111 01:43:41,006 --> 01:43:44,010 A few months later, Craig was gone, 2112 01:43:44,092 --> 01:43:47,095 and this mess wound up with the Senate. 2113 01:43:47,180 --> 01:43:48,931 And you. 2114 01:43:49,015 --> 01:43:51,475 Well, the president must have known that, by doing that, 2115 01:43:51,559 --> 01:43:53,353 he was making it next to impossible. 2116 01:43:53,435 --> 01:43:55,979 Uh, he came from the Senate. 2117 01:43:56,064 --> 01:43:59,024 Dan, they sent you off to build a boat, 2118 01:43:59,108 --> 01:44:01,194 but they had no intention of sailing it. 2119 01:44:01,277 --> 01:44:05,155 They probably didn't think you'd get as far as you did. 2120 01:44:06,949 --> 01:44:09,284 (CAR DOORS CLOSING IN DISTANCE) 2121 01:44:09,368 --> 01:44:11,244 Let me ask you a question. 2122 01:44:11,328 --> 01:44:15,041 If the CIA knew that torture didn't work, 2123 01:44:15,123 --> 01:44:17,251 why did they continue to do it? 2124 01:44:19,002 --> 01:44:21,381 After 9/11, everyone was scared... 2125 01:44:21,463 --> 01:44:23,507 (ENGINE STARTS IN DISTANCE) 2126 01:44:23,591 --> 01:44:25,092 scared it might happen again, 2127 01:44:25,176 --> 01:44:27,427 and the CIA would be blamed if it did. 2128 01:44:27,511 --> 01:44:29,262 Or maybe they were ashamed. 2129 01:44:29,346 --> 01:44:31,224 You know, how come the most sophisticated 2130 01:44:31,306 --> 01:44:33,434 intelligence organization on Earth 2131 01:44:33,518 --> 01:44:35,853 couldn't keep its own people safe? 2132 01:44:35,936 --> 01:44:38,689 But fear and shame don't make for better policy decisions, 2133 01:44:38,773 --> 01:44:40,649 and the fact that the people who we captured 2134 01:44:40,733 --> 01:44:42,985 didn't look like us or believe the same things we do 2135 01:44:43,069 --> 01:44:45,404 made it that much easier to do the things we did. 2136 01:44:45,488 --> 01:44:46,863 So once the CIA program started, 2137 01:44:46,948 --> 01:44:48,384 they had to keep telling people it worked, 2138 01:44:48,408 --> 01:44:49,492 even if it wasn't true. 2139 01:44:49,574 --> 01:44:50,952 Their own position was that 2140 01:44:51,034 --> 01:44:53,412 if it didn't work, it was illegal. 2141 01:44:53,496 --> 01:44:55,707 So they misrepresented the results. 2142 01:45:08,094 --> 01:45:13,432 If we had your report, we would print it tomorrow. 2143 01:45:13,515 --> 01:45:14,850 All of it. 2144 01:45:16,226 --> 01:45:17,770 The senator said she would release 2145 01:45:17,854 --> 01:45:19,939 - a summary of the report. - Really? 2146 01:45:20,023 --> 01:45:22,190 Over the objections of the CIA and the White House? 2147 01:45:22,274 --> 01:45:23,543 You really think that's gonna happen? 2148 01:45:23,568 --> 01:45:25,360 If I gave it to you, what would happen? 2149 01:45:30,783 --> 01:45:32,743 (SIGHS) 2150 01:45:32,827 --> 01:45:34,703 Some people will think you're a hero, 2151 01:45:34,787 --> 01:45:36,622 and some will probably think you're a traitor. 2152 01:45:36,706 --> 01:45:39,500 Look at Edward Snowden. 2153 01:45:48,842 --> 01:45:50,552 No. If it's gonna come out, 2154 01:45:50,636 --> 01:45:52,471 it's gonna come out the right way. 2155 01:45:52,555 --> 01:45:54,849 What if it doesn't? 2156 01:45:54,931 --> 01:45:57,143 Then I didn't do my job. 2157 01:45:59,936 --> 01:46:01,146 I'm sorry. 2158 01:46:02,731 --> 01:46:04,108 Sorry. 2159 01:46:04,192 --> 01:46:06,569 (DOOR CLOSES) 2160 01:46:10,073 --> 01:46:12,240 (LOCK CLICKING) 2161 01:46:42,229 --> 01:46:44,606 (PHONE CLICKING) 2162 01:46:50,947 --> 01:46:52,823 MCDONOUGH: So, with the Affordable Care Act 2163 01:46:52,907 --> 01:46:54,867 behind us, the president would like to begin 2164 01:46:54,951 --> 01:46:57,369 a serious discussion about immigration reform. 2165 01:46:57,453 --> 01:46:59,454 Now, obviously we've had some setbacks 2166 01:46:59,538 --> 01:47:01,498 in both the House and the Senate, 2167 01:47:01,582 --> 01:47:05,502 uh, so strategy has become paramount... unity as well. 2168 01:47:05,586 --> 01:47:08,131 So, we would like to, uh, really start talking about... 2169 01:47:08,213 --> 01:47:10,048 Excuse me, Mr. McDonough. 2170 01:47:10,132 --> 01:47:12,551 I would like to discuss the report on the CIA 2171 01:47:12,635 --> 01:47:14,095 and the White House's position. 2172 01:47:14,177 --> 01:47:16,764 That's not the topic of this particular caucus. 2173 01:47:16,847 --> 01:47:18,932 Uh, the president would like to discuss... 2174 01:47:19,015 --> 01:47:21,435 HEINRICH: Our country did things the Nazis did, 2175 01:47:21,519 --> 01:47:23,938 things that made us condemn other regimes. 2176 01:47:24,020 --> 01:47:26,731 And the position of this administration 2177 01:47:26,815 --> 01:47:28,317 is to suppress this information, 2178 01:47:28,400 --> 01:47:30,278 to keep the people who did these things safe? 2179 01:47:30,360 --> 01:47:32,195 I can assure you that is not 2180 01:47:32,279 --> 01:47:34,532 the position of this administration, Senator. 2181 01:47:34,614 --> 01:47:36,576 ROCKEFELLER: You worked with John Brennan 2182 01:47:36,658 --> 01:47:38,286 at the National Security Council. 2183 01:47:38,368 --> 01:47:41,079 Now, I understand that Brennan gave this president 2184 01:47:41,163 --> 01:47:43,373 his first security briefing when he took office. 2185 01:47:43,457 --> 01:47:45,542 And now CIA Director Brennan 2186 01:47:45,626 --> 01:47:48,712 is working closely with the president on the drone program. 2187 01:47:48,796 --> 01:47:50,381 (CHUCKLES SOFTLY) You know, it's funny. 2188 01:47:50,463 --> 01:47:52,132 Every time I go over to the CIA, 2189 01:47:52,216 --> 01:47:53,819 they claim I'm doing the Senate's bidding, 2190 01:47:53,842 --> 01:47:55,136 and every time I come here, 2191 01:47:55,219 --> 01:47:56,654 you claim I'm doing the CIA's bidding. 2192 01:47:56,679 --> 01:47:59,974 I only have a few days left in my term here, 2193 01:48:00,056 --> 01:48:04,436 and if there isn't a plan to release the report before I go, 2194 01:48:04,520 --> 01:48:07,105 I'm prepared to read it on the floor of the Senate. 2195 01:48:07,189 --> 01:48:08,649 And either the White House 2196 01:48:08,733 --> 01:48:10,650 or the Republicans will have to stop me. 2197 01:48:10,734 --> 01:48:12,171 MCDONOUGH: What would you have us do? 2198 01:48:12,194 --> 01:48:13,713 Now, we go after Bush and Cheney on this, 2199 01:48:13,738 --> 01:48:15,488 what's to prevent the Republicans 2200 01:48:15,573 --> 01:48:19,368 from coming back at us and trying to repeal health care? 2201 01:48:19,452 --> 01:48:22,204 Uh, we go after the CIA, uh, maybe they say, 2202 01:48:22,287 --> 01:48:25,248 "Okay, well, immigration reform is off the table." 2203 01:48:25,332 --> 01:48:27,251 Maybe it's gun control. 2204 01:48:27,335 --> 01:48:32,340 Now, democracy is messy... but let's just think 2205 01:48:32,422 --> 01:48:35,134 how many countries there are in the world 2206 01:48:35,217 --> 01:48:37,261 where a report like this could even get done. 2207 01:48:37,345 --> 01:48:40,347 (QUIET MURMURING) 2208 01:48:41,974 --> 01:48:43,935 I would like us to be more than 2209 01:48:44,018 --> 01:48:45,560 the country that did the report. 2210 01:48:45,645 --> 01:48:48,314 I'd like us to be the country that made it public. 2211 01:48:48,396 --> 01:48:52,025 And that is what I intend to see happen. 2212 01:48:52,109 --> 01:48:53,985 MAN: I yield the floor 2213 01:48:54,069 --> 01:48:57,530 to the senior senator from California. 2214 01:48:57,614 --> 01:48:59,742 (QUIET MURMURING) 2215 01:49:11,295 --> 01:49:13,213 Over the past six years, 2216 01:49:13,296 --> 01:49:17,051 a small team of investigators pored over more than 2217 01:49:17,134 --> 01:49:21,555 6.3 million pages of CIA records 2218 01:49:21,639 --> 01:49:23,890 to complete this report. 2219 01:49:23,975 --> 01:49:27,936 It shows that the CIA's actions a decade ago 2220 01:49:28,020 --> 01:49:31,731 are a stain on our values and on our history. 2221 01:49:31,815 --> 01:49:35,235 The release of this 500-page summary 2222 01:49:35,319 --> 01:49:37,238 cannot remove that stain, 2223 01:49:37,320 --> 01:49:41,742 but it can and does say to our people and the world 2224 01:49:41,826 --> 01:49:45,662 that America is big enough to admit when it's wrong 2225 01:49:45,746 --> 01:49:49,792 and confident enough to learn from its mistakes. 2226 01:49:49,875 --> 01:49:53,087 Releasing this report is an important step toward 2227 01:49:53,170 --> 01:49:56,506 restoring our values and showing the world 2228 01:49:56,590 --> 01:50:01,052 that we are, in fact, a just and lawful society. 2229 01:50:01,136 --> 01:50:05,515 There are those who will seize upon the report and say, 2230 01:50:05,599 --> 01:50:08,310 "See what the Americans did?" 2231 01:50:08,394 --> 01:50:10,020 And they will try to use it 2232 01:50:10,104 --> 01:50:13,733 to justify evil actions or to incite more violence. 2233 01:50:13,815 --> 01:50:17,360 We cannot prevent that. 2234 01:50:17,444 --> 01:50:19,363 But history will judge us 2235 01:50:19,447 --> 01:50:24,118 by our commitment to a just society governed by law 2236 01:50:24,201 --> 01:50:27,454 and the willingness to face an ugly truth 2237 01:50:27,537 --> 01:50:31,125 and say "never again." 2238 01:50:31,207 --> 01:50:32,626 Thank you. 2239 01:50:32,710 --> 01:50:36,588 I now yield the floor to the senator from Arizona. 2240 01:50:38,423 --> 01:50:40,634 JOHN MCCAIN (OVER TV): What might come as a surprise 2241 01:50:40,717 --> 01:50:44,180 is how little these practices did to aid our efforts to bring 2242 01:50:44,262 --> 01:50:47,390 9/11 culprits to justice and to find and prevent 2243 01:50:47,475 --> 01:50:50,226 terrorist attacks today and tomorrow. 2244 01:50:50,310 --> 01:50:52,063 That could be a real surprise, 2245 01:50:52,145 --> 01:50:54,731 since it contradicts the many assurances 2246 01:50:54,814 --> 01:50:57,025 provided by intelligence officials, 2247 01:50:57,109 --> 01:50:59,069 on the record and in private, 2248 01:50:59,153 --> 01:51:02,864 that enhanced interrogation techniques were indispensable 2249 01:51:02,948 --> 01:51:04,867 in the war against terrorism. 2250 01:51:04,949 --> 01:51:08,371 I think it's an insult to the many intelligence officers 2251 01:51:08,453 --> 01:51:10,372 who have acquired good intelligence 2252 01:51:10,456 --> 01:51:12,541 without hurting or degrading prisoners 2253 01:51:12,625 --> 01:51:16,462 to assert we can't win this war without such methods. 2254 01:51:16,545 --> 01:51:19,547 Yes, we can, and we will. 2255 01:51:19,631 --> 01:51:21,759 But in the end, 2256 01:51:21,841 --> 01:51:24,427 torture's failure to serve its intended purpose 2257 01:51:24,511 --> 01:51:27,806 isn't the main reason to oppose its use. 2258 01:51:27,890 --> 01:51:32,770 This question isn't about our enemies; it's about us. 2259 01:51:32,853 --> 01:51:38,192 It's about who we were, who we are, and who we aspire to be. 2260 01:51:38,274 --> 01:51:42,279 It's about how we represent ourselves to the world. 2261 01:51:42,363 --> 01:51:45,157 Our enemies act without conscience. 2262 01:51:45,240 --> 01:51:47,201 We must not. 2263 01:51:49,578 --> 01:51:51,722 RACHEL MADDOW (OVER TV): Senator Dianne Feinstein today 2264 01:51:51,747 --> 01:51:54,500 - exposed the CIA's now extinct - (TYPING) 2265 01:51:54,582 --> 01:51:56,918 enhanced interrogation techniques. 2266 01:51:57,002 --> 01:51:58,587 The thing that strikes me about 2267 01:51:58,671 --> 01:52:00,046 what the Senate was doing today... 2268 01:52:00,131 --> 01:52:02,006 Dianne Feinstein, Jay Rockefeller... 2269 01:52:02,091 --> 01:52:03,842 Is they were doing everything they can 2270 01:52:03,926 --> 01:52:06,554 to make sure this doesn't happen again. 2271 01:52:06,636 --> 01:52:08,721 Because by going public like this... 2272 01:52:08,805 --> 01:52:10,890 Dan. 2273 01:52:10,975 --> 01:52:12,475 You did well. 2274 01:52:12,560 --> 01:52:14,310 Thank you. 2275 01:52:15,020 --> 01:52:16,689 Thank you. 2276 01:52:16,771 --> 01:52:20,484 MADDOW: "We're gonna be on you if you try to do this." 2277 01:52:23,612 --> 01:52:25,948 (BIRDS CHIRPING) 2278 01:55:51,069 --> 01:55:54,405 ("SO AMERICAN" BY PORTUGAL. THE MAN PLAYING) 2279 01:56:07,795 --> 01:56:11,047 ♪ If pain was a color to paint on you ♪ 2280 01:56:11,131 --> 01:56:14,092 ♪ Your heart would be the color blue ♪ 2281 01:56:14,176 --> 01:56:18,055 ♪ Be a gradient from there until your body met your hair ♪ 2282 01:56:18,137 --> 01:56:19,681 ♪ Which remained a silver ♪ 2283 01:56:19,765 --> 01:56:22,893 ♪ You are the one they call Jesus Christ ♪ 2284 01:56:22,975 --> 01:56:25,938 ♪ Who didn't know no rock and roll ♪ 2285 01:56:26,020 --> 01:56:29,483 ♪ Just a mission and a gun to paint rainbows in Vietnam ♪ 2286 01:56:29,565 --> 01:56:31,402 ♪ And a heart that always told you ♪ 2287 01:56:31,484 --> 01:56:33,904 ♪ There's a madness in us all ♪ 2288 01:56:34,904 --> 01:56:38,117 ♪ There's a madness in us all ♪ 2289 01:56:38,199 --> 01:56:41,869 ♪ So who wrote the rules? Who wrote the rules? ♪ 2290 01:56:41,953 --> 01:56:43,747 ♪ Who wrote the rules? ♪ 2291 01:56:43,831 --> 01:56:48,001 ♪ They said every one of you will never try to lend a hand ♪ 2292 01:56:48,085 --> 01:56:51,880 ♪ When the policemen don't understand ♪ 2293 01:56:51,963 --> 01:56:57,176 ♪ Boys, all you boys, think it's so American ♪ 2294 01:56:58,804 --> 01:57:04,184 ♪ Girls, all you girls, yeah, you're so American ♪ 2295 01:57:07,895 --> 01:57:10,815 ♪ He may not be born of this land ♪ 2296 01:57:10,899 --> 01:57:13,902 ♪ But he was born of this world ♪ 2297 01:57:13,985 --> 01:57:15,779 ♪ He was born of all the mothers ♪ 2298 01:57:15,863 --> 01:57:17,488 ♪ And the colors of our brothers ♪ 2299 01:57:17,573 --> 01:57:19,533 ♪ And the love that was started ♪ 2300 01:57:19,615 --> 01:57:22,618 ♪ You are the one they call Jesus Christ ♪ 2301 01:57:22,703 --> 01:57:25,747 ♪ Who may not know no rock and roll ♪ 2302 01:57:25,831 --> 01:57:27,582 ♪ And there may not be a Heaven ♪ 2303 01:57:27,666 --> 01:57:29,417 ♪ Or a place of which to send you ♪ 2304 01:57:29,501 --> 01:57:30,961 ♪ But you know in the end ♪ 2305 01:57:31,043 --> 01:57:33,588 ♪ There's madness in us all ♪ 2306 01:57:34,590 --> 01:57:36,966 ♪ There's a madness in us all ♪ 2307 01:57:37,967 --> 01:57:40,261 ♪ There's a madness in us all ♪ 2308 01:57:41,262 --> 01:57:44,600 ♪ There's a madness in us all ♪ 2309 01:57:44,682 --> 01:57:48,311 ♪ So who wrote the rules? Who wrote the rules? ♪ 2310 01:57:48,395 --> 01:57:50,314 ♪ Who wrote the rules? ♪ 2311 01:57:50,396 --> 01:57:54,568 ♪ They said every one of you will never try to lend a hand ♪ 2312 01:57:54,650 --> 01:57:58,447 ♪ When the policemen don't understand ♪ 2313 01:57:58,529 --> 01:58:03,743 ♪ Boys, all you boys, think it's so American ♪ 2314 01:58:05,369 --> 01:58:10,751 ♪ Girls, all you girls, yeah, you're so American ♪ 2315 01:58:12,211 --> 01:58:14,796 ♪ There's two eyes for every one of us ♪ 2316 01:58:14,880 --> 01:58:18,841 ♪ But somebody got there first and took them all ♪ 2317 01:58:18,926 --> 01:58:21,595 ♪ There's two eyes for every one of us ♪ 2318 01:58:21,677 --> 01:58:24,806 ♪ But somebody got there first and took them all ♪ 2319 01:58:39,320 --> 01:58:44,368 ♪ Man, oh, man, you think it's so American ♪ 2320 01:58:46,078 --> 01:58:51,123 ♪ Man, oh, man, yeah, you're so American ♪ 2321 01:58:52,876 --> 01:58:57,840 ♪ Man, oh, man, you think it's so American ♪ 2322 01:58:59,550 --> 01:59:04,595 ♪ Man, oh, man, yeah, you're so American ♪ 2323 01:59:06,139 --> 01:59:08,516 ♪ There's two eyes for every one of us ♪ 2324 01:59:08,600 --> 01:59:12,563 ♪ But somebody got there first and took them all ♪ 2325 01:59:12,645 --> 01:59:15,274 ♪ There's two eyes for every one of us ♪ 2326 01:59:15,356 --> 01:59:18,777 ♪ But somebody got there first and took them all. ♪ 2327 01:59:21,613 --> 01:59:23,782 (MUSIC ENDS) 182053

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