All language subtitles for Civilisations.2018.s01e04.Picturing.Paradise.[MPup]

af Afrikaans
sq Albanian
am Amharic
ar Arabic
hy Armenian
az Azerbaijani
eu Basque
be Belarusian
bn Bengali
bs Bosnian
bg Bulgarian
ca Catalan
ceb Cebuano
ny Chichewa
zh-CN Chinese (Simplified)
zh-TW Chinese (Traditional)
co Corsican
hr Croatian
cs Czech
da Danish
nl Dutch
en English
eo Esperanto
et Estonian
tl Filipino
fi Finnish
fr French
fy Frisian
gl Galician
ka Georgian
de German
el Greek
gu Gujarati
ht Haitian Creole
ha Hausa
haw Hawaiian
iw Hebrew
hi Hindi
hmn Hmong
hu Hungarian
is Icelandic
ig Igbo
id Indonesian
ga Irish
it Italian
ja Japanese
jw Javanese
kn Kannada
kk Kazakh
km Khmer
ko Korean
ku Kurdish (Kurmanji)
ky Kyrgyz
lo Lao
la Latin
lv Latvian
lt Lithuanian
lb Luxembourgish
mk Macedonian
mg Malagasy
ms Malay
ml Malayalam
mt Maltese
mi Maori
mr Marathi
mn Mongolian
my Myanmar (Burmese)
ne Nepali
no Norwegian
ps Pashto
fa Persian
pl Polish
pt Portuguese
pa Punjabi
ro Romanian
ru Russian
sm Samoan
gd Scots Gaelic
sr Serbian
st Sesotho
sn Shona
sd Sindhi
si Sinhala
sk Slovak
sl Slovenian
so Somali
es Spanish
su Sundanese
sw Swahili
sv Swedish
tg Tajik
ta Tamil
te Telugu
th Thai
tr Turkish
uk Ukrainian
ur Urdu
uz Uzbek
vi Vietnamese
cy Welsh
xh Xhosa
yi Yiddish
yo Yoruba
zu Zulu
or Odia (Oriya)
rw Kinyarwanda
tk Turkmen
tt Tatar
ug Uyghur
Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:14,720 Every year, thousands of people from across the world come together 2 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:18,280 at a single spot in rural Cambodia. 3 00:00:21,240 --> 00:00:23,640 It's the spring equinox, 4 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:27,280 and they're here to witness an extraordinary sight. 5 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:33,760 The moment when the sun rises over the central spire 6 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:36,240 at the temple of Angkor Wat. 7 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:50,480 I don't usually think of myself as a pilgrim 8 00:00:50,480 --> 00:00:53,240 but this morning I got up well before dawn with 9 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:57,640 thousands of others to come to see the sun at Angkor Wat. 10 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:04,200 Certainly, when the sun seemed to balance for a second or two 11 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,280 on top of the central tower of the temple, 12 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,880 there were gasps of amazement and wonderment. 13 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:15,560 It's religious art at its most spectacular. 14 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:17,160 It's show stopping. 15 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:25,600 But the spectacle of Angkor Wat doesn't stop there. 16 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:31,720 Built by the kings of the Khmer empire in the 12th century, 17 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:35,120 Angkor is intended to give concrete form 18 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,840 to the claims of Hindu religion. 19 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:44,240 Five high towers are said to represent the mythical Mount Meru, 20 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:46,240 centre of the cosmos. 21 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:58,080 Religious patterns and symbols adorn the walls. 22 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:04,200 And a seemingly endless narrative frieze 23 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:06,680 is wrapped around the centre of the temple. 24 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:16,800 Angkor Wat is one of the biggest 25 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,920 and best-known religious monuments in the world. 26 00:02:19,920 --> 00:02:22,160 When you look at the sculpture 27 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:26,480 and the decorative patterns on the walls, the extravagant, 28 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:31,440 in-your-face superfluity of it all, the sheer excess... 29 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:37,160 ..the basic point is clear that this is a building 30 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:43,160 designed to unify the natural, the human and the divine worlds. 31 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:53,840 For millennia, art has been used to bring the human and divine together. 32 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,280 And it's given us some of the most majestic 33 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,320 and affecting visual images ever made. 34 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:08,360 I want to explore what really lies behind 35 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:11,320 these extraordinary creations. 36 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:15,560 And reveal the kind of religious work that art does 37 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:17,440 all around the world. 38 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:24,360 But, for me, the story of religious art is about more than this. 39 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:27,760 It's about controversy and conflict, 40 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,480 danger and risk. 41 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:34,720 Whether it's Muslim or Christian, Hindu or Jewish, 42 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:39,720 I want to expose the dilemmas that all religions face 43 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:44,080 when they try to make gods visible in the human world. 44 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:50,560 When does the worship of an image turn into dangerous idolatry? 45 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:58,480 Where does divine glorification end and worldly vanity begin? 46 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:04,520 What actually counts as an image of God or of God's word? 47 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:11,840 Treading these fault lines, I'll even show how the defacement 48 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:16,680 of religious art is fraught with its own problems and paradoxes, 49 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:20,280 and I want to end on what we often think of 50 00:04:20,280 --> 00:04:24,440 as the cradle of Western civilisation itself 51 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:26,880 to ask what it is we now worship 52 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:31,800 and how far we still look with the eye of faith. 53 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:14,280 "There are gods, gods everywhere. And nowhere left to put my feet." 54 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:21,240 Those are the words of a 12th century Indian poet, as he cast 55 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:25,640 his eyes on the mass of religious images that surrounded him. 56 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,680 Several centuries on, you can still see what he meant. 57 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,360 Coming to a place I'm not so familiar with, like India, 58 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:51,600 helps to open my eyes to the fact that religious art gets everywhere. 59 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:55,640 You don't only find it in churches, temples and galleries. 60 00:05:55,640 --> 00:06:00,400 Religion has always brought out the artfulness in people, 61 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:04,080 on the body, in the home, and on the street. 62 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,240 And it can seem quite simple, 63 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:12,600 whether it's a matter of religious awe, or a way of satisfying 64 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:17,000 our curiosity by peeking into the hidden world of the divine. 65 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,160 But if we go a bit deeper 66 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:28,600 and try to explore how these religious images actually work... 67 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,800 ..it turns out to be a little harder than you might think. 68 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:47,600 It was 1906 when the artist-explorer Christiana Herringham 69 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:51,800 was trekking through this remote part of central India. 70 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:58,080 She had been intrigued by stories of an ancient religious site 71 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:00,080 long hidden in the hills. 72 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:04,160 And, after weeks of very rough travel, 73 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:07,080 she was astounded by what she saw. 74 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:17,520 Spanning an entire rock face were the Ajanta Caves. 75 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,600 This network of Buddhist prayer holes 76 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:25,800 and monasteries was begun around 200 BC 77 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,240 and added to over the centuries. 78 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,200 Gradually, hundreds of sculptures 79 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,920 and reliefs of the Buddha were carved out of the rock. 80 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,800 But what Herringham really wanted to find 81 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,640 lay inside the caves themselves. 82 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:58,000 These are some of the earliest Buddhist paintings in the world. 83 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:03,200 By then in a perilous state, Herringham set about recording them 84 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:05,760 before they finally faded away. 85 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:15,360 This amazing book is how she preserved the paintings. 86 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:21,960 You've got a preliminary set of essays, 87 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:26,840 talking about how the work was done and what the paintings meant. 88 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:31,640 But then the most gorgeous colour plates. 89 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,520 But Herringham not only preserved these scenes 90 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:38,360 from the life of the Buddha. 91 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:41,120 In her mind's eye and on her page, 92 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:45,680 she radically and problematically reinterpreted them. 93 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:53,320 When she looks at the colour, the perspective, 94 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,600 the careful lines and composition, 95 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:00,680 what she sees is the Indian equivalent 96 00:09:00,680 --> 00:09:03,800 of Italian Renaissance art, 97 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,560 and she actually talks about them as frescoes, 98 00:09:06,560 --> 00:09:10,160 and she talks about the caves as a picture gallery. 99 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:15,240 And, in a way, this book is part of that vision. 100 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:21,200 By giving you small snapshots and giving you them like this 101 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:25,560 so that you could, if you wanted to, just put them up on your wall, 102 00:09:25,560 --> 00:09:31,160 as pictures, what this book is doing is it's translating 103 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:34,600 and Indian Buddhist site... 104 00:09:35,680 --> 00:09:39,200 ..into the heritage of world art. 105 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,720 Of course, we now see plenty of religious art 106 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:47,720 in the safe space of a gallery. 107 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:53,600 But, to understand how these paintings really work, 108 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:57,400 we need to look at them in the caves for which they were made. 109 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:08,000 Almost every surface is painted. 110 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:13,080 Some still showing traces of vivid colour. 111 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,760 Others have become muted over time. 112 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:24,000 Over and over again, we see the Buddha as he rejects 113 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:27,920 the vanities of the world in search of enlightenment. 114 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,120 But this is not an easy read. 115 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,920 The scenes are often in a puzzling order 116 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:42,800 and many details get lost in the darkness. 117 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,560 But it's partly their fragmentary layout 118 00:10:48,560 --> 00:10:53,320 and their shadowy setting that gives these pictures their meaning. 119 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:03,960 These paintings made the viewers do religious work. 120 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:11,440 They demanded that you identify, find and refind for yourself... 121 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:16,320 ..the stories that you probably knew in outline already. 122 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:19,400 You couldn't come here and be a passive consumer 123 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:20,840 of religious images. 124 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:24,120 You had to be an active interpreter of them. 125 00:11:25,560 --> 00:11:28,680 I think there's also a point about the fragmentariness 126 00:11:28,680 --> 00:11:30,440 of religious narration. 127 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:33,880 These paintings echo, in a way, 128 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:38,080 the many different versions we have of religious stories. 129 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,880 Their open-endedness, their contradictions, 130 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:43,400 and their inconsistencies. 131 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:49,000 And even the lack of light has its part, too. 132 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:53,520 When you came in here, with your flickering candle trying to 133 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:57,320 make out what was on the walls, in a way, 134 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:01,720 that was a perfect metaphor for one kind of religious experience. 135 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:05,400 The idea that you were searching for the truth, 136 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:08,880 searching for the faith amidst the darkness. 137 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:15,040 The images at Ajanta invite their viewers to seek out 138 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,520 the Buddhist message for themselves. 139 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,680 And forge their own path to enlightenment. 140 00:12:27,680 --> 00:12:31,080 But just when the last of these scenes were being painted, 141 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:34,480 on the other side of the world, religious imagery was being 142 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:39,440 deployed much more aggressively in religious controversy. 143 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:45,080 In the 6th century AD, 144 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:48,000 the marshlands of Italy's Adriatic coast, 145 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,520 which had previously been host to little more than remote 146 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:56,160 fishing villages, became the front line in an ideological war. 147 00:12:59,560 --> 00:13:02,040 Early Christians who, at this stage, 148 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:04,640 were certainly not a unified faith... 149 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:10,200 ..argued furiously over fundamental parts of their doctrine. 150 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:15,680 And, amid this controversy, 151 00:13:15,680 --> 00:13:19,840 they harnessed the power of art in a most forceful way. 152 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:25,240 Here in Ravenna is the church of San Vitale, 153 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:27,960 named after a local saint and martyr. 154 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:36,360 Built in the 540s from the ruins of ancient Roman buildings, 155 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:42,840 its very fabric is a reminder of the Christian conquest of pagan Rome. 156 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:48,600 And, throughout the church, every technique has been used 157 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:54,080 to assert the Christian message and demonstrate its awesome power. 158 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:05,880 Stories from the Bible tell how the one true God first revealed 159 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:07,800 himself to humankind. 160 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:24,360 The image of the Christian emperor, flanked by bishops 161 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:30,560 and soldiers, expresses the unity of the church, state and military. 162 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:36,240 And the golden mosaics, the great innovation of early Christian 163 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:40,640 artists, reflect divine light into the darkness. 164 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,680 But there is one image that dominates the church. 165 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:51,520 It's the figure of Jesus himself. 166 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:55,800 And it was he who lay at the heart 167 00:14:55,800 --> 00:15:00,640 of early Christianity's theological battles. 168 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,960 The early centuries of Christianity were not a period 169 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,120 of peace and goodwill. Far from it. 170 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,960 They were torn apart by religious controversy about the nature 171 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,840 and divine essence of Jesus. 172 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:20,560 There were crucial religious issues at stake. 173 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:26,040 What was the exact relationship between Jesus and God? 174 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:32,600 What and where had Jesus been before he was born to Mary? 175 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:38,400 How could a perfect and indivisible God 176 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:42,240 give up part of himself to create a son? 177 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:46,760 And, so - and this was the killer question for many - 178 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:51,880 were Jesus and God made of the same substance? 179 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,160 Or were they just very like each other? 180 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:03,720 The mosaics here make a very strong case for the divine status of Jesus, 181 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:07,040 as if to erode any misunderstanding 182 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:13,200 because he appears as part of a calculated scheme of images designed 183 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:19,280 to end the controversy, telling the viewer exactly what to believe. 184 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:26,880 In perfect alignment are three different aspects of Jesus. 185 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:31,800 The apse, there's the beardless Jesus, young, 186 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:33,200 the son of God. 187 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:37,800 The centre of the ceiling, 188 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:42,080 there's Jesus as the symbolic lamb of God, 189 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:46,440 the Jesus who's to be sacrificed on behalf of humanity. 190 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:49,960 And, at the top of the entrance arch, 191 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:55,080 there's the older, bearded, all-powerful Jesus, 192 00:16:55,080 --> 00:17:00,080 who's about as indistinguishable as you could get from God the Father. 193 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:07,520 So, there's a lesson here in seeing Jesus. 194 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:12,240 And, also, particularly in that last image, a clear steer. 195 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:20,920 These images are telling us never to doubt the divinity of Jesus Christ. 196 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:32,000 But elsewhere in the Christian world, and at other times, 197 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:37,160 images can have some unexpected and just as controversial consequences. 198 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:45,160 Behind the facades of its palazzian churches, 199 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:49,680 the city of Venice contains a treasure trove of religious 200 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:54,240 paintings that remain exactly where they were intended to be seen. 201 00:17:55,520 --> 00:18:00,360 And beyond these walls is one of the most spectacular. 202 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:07,200 This is the meeting house of a religious brotherhood, 203 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,920 known as the Scuola di San Rocco. 204 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:17,040 A bit like a Renaissance version of a Rotary Club, 205 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:20,160 moneyed Phoenicians would meet here to share 206 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:22,920 in their selfless concern for the poor. 207 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:26,240 And the paintings that surrounded them 208 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:29,400 offered reminders of their charitable obligations. 209 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,400 If you look at the scene of the birth of Jesus, 210 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:38,440 there's no doubt that's happening in poverty. 211 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:45,000 And if you look at the Last Supper, 212 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:50,440 the most prominent figures in the canvas in front of Jesus 213 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:55,080 and the disciples are actually two beggars and a dog... 214 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,920 ..who's presumably looking for some scraps from the table. 215 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:06,280 Most of the artwork we now see was produced in the 16th century 216 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,640 and the man responsible was Jacopo Tintoretto. 217 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,680 A home-grown Venetian favourite, 218 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:14,840 he spent years decorating 219 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:18,280 the meeting house with over 50 paintings. 220 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:20,920 And his most famous image is this... 221 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,080 ..the crucifixion of Jesus. 222 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:47,080 People who come here now have all kinds of different reactions 223 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:51,160 to this painting. Some are overwhelmed by the size. 224 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:54,920 Some are puzzled by the busy bits of detail. 225 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:01,000 Critics and art historians have had different reactions, too. 226 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:05,160 Some of them have honed in on the technique, picking out 227 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:08,080 Tintoretto's bold brushstrokes 228 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:11,640 or the contrast between light and shade. 229 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:16,360 Some have concentrated instead on the emotion of the scene. 230 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:21,800 And that's the line that John Ruskin took in the 19th century 231 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:26,040 when he was so dumbfounded by it, that he said the painting 232 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:29,240 was absolutely impossible to analyse. 233 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,240 Think he might have tried a bit harder. 234 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:41,480 What Tintoretto has done 235 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:45,680 is blur the lines between the viewer and the painting. 236 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:52,600 Some of the characters there are wearing modern, 237 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:56,280 that is 16th century, dress, not biblical outfits. 238 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,520 And there are some ordinary 16th century people 239 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:05,560 doing the digging, tugging on the ropes and putting up the ladders. 240 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:12,400 More than that, if we stand in front of it, it's almost as if you 241 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:17,920 become part of the encircling crowd around that central scene. 242 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:23,880 What's being hammered home here is the fact that the crucifixion 243 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:29,240 is both a historical event in past time 244 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,440 and a religious event, 245 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:36,480 which breaks down the barriers of time and space. 246 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,400 But there is another, more controversial reading 247 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,040 of this painting which often gets lost 248 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,880 on the connoisseurs who stand before it. 249 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:55,280 This painting was produced at a really critical 250 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,600 moment in the story of the brotherhood 251 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:02,480 when they were being attacked for spending far too much on bling 252 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:07,240 and on doing up their premises, and not half enough on helping the poor. 253 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:09,720 In some of his pictures, 254 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:14,240 Tintoretto seems to be responding to that charge. 255 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,840 When he included beggars in the scene of the Last Supper, 256 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,720 or the kind of ordinary people the brotherhood was supposed to 257 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:24,600 support in the scene of the crucifixion that really 258 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:29,120 looks like a calculated defence of their charitable aims 259 00:22:29,120 --> 00:22:31,200 in the face of opposition. 260 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:37,200 But the whole controversy points to a crucial problem in religious art. 261 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,360 The more you plough your resources 262 00:22:40,360 --> 00:22:43,320 into the visual glorification of God... 263 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:48,000 ..the more you lay yourself open to the accusation 264 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:52,400 that you're more interested in the material than in the spiritual. 265 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:57,560 That you're more interested in worldly vanities than in piety. 266 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:06,200 We're now treading the fault lines between art and religion 267 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,920 and the problems of picturing the divine. 268 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:14,040 And here the perils of vanity are just the beginning. 269 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:23,480 Seville has been a centre of Catholic image making for centuries, 270 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:27,240 home to some of Spain's greatest religious painters... 271 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,640 ..Velazquez, Zurbaran and Murillo. 272 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:41,040 And images still play a big part in the religious life of the city. 273 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:47,040 WOMAN RECITES PRAYER IN SPANISH 274 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:59,120 But, here in Seville, there's one image that has a peculiar power. 275 00:23:59,120 --> 00:24:03,600 WOMAN CONTINUES PRAYING 276 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:16,840 Housed in the church of the Macarena is a statue of the Virgin Mary. 277 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,160 She's been here for over 300 years, 278 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,960 crying in sorrow at the death of her son, Jesus. 279 00:24:37,120 --> 00:24:38,960 She's tremendously impressive. 280 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,240 She was started in the 17th century 281 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:48,480 and one story is she's the work originally of a female sculptor 282 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:52,840 because only a woman could quite capture the Virgin like this. 283 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,400 But she's been added to ever since - 284 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,000 when she got that splendid gold crown, 285 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,360 when she started wearing those very big capes, 286 00:25:02,360 --> 00:25:06,120 and she's got a large wardrobe, 287 00:25:06,120 --> 00:25:09,080 and she often changes her dress. 288 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:14,680 The every day care and attention paid to this statue 289 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,440 might at first seem a little odd. 290 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:23,160 But she was intended to have an aura of humanity about her. 291 00:25:26,360 --> 00:25:33,040 Her tears may be made of glass but her hair is real human hair. 292 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:38,320 Her exposed flesh, that's her head and hands, are made of wood because 293 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:42,440 they thought wood was much warmer than marble, was more organic. 294 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:49,160 And, in other ways, she's treated as if she's a human being, 295 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:54,400 so, no-one apart from the nuns are allowed to take her clothes off. 296 00:25:55,720 --> 00:26:00,680 In many ways, she's not finished but a work in progress which only 297 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:05,440 becomes complete for a single night at the most sacred time of year... 298 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:08,720 ..at Easter. 299 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,600 The holy cross is presented to the crowd 300 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,520 and hooded penitents begin to march. 301 00:26:24,360 --> 00:26:28,600 For many, this is highly charged and emotional. 302 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:43,000 Now they wait, longing for the extraordinary moment when the Virgin 303 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,760 appears at the threshold, 304 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,360 and a moment of transformation is at hand. 305 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,520 HE KNOCKS 306 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,960 Carried on a throne, she begins her journey into the night. 307 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:17,840 And, as she moves, the statue seems to come to life. 308 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:26,320 It's as if the likeness of the Virgin has become her presence. 309 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,360 And you can see that in the astonishing 310 00:27:32,360 --> 00:27:34,560 reaction of the faithful. 311 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:39,960 CHEERING BECOMES LOUDER 312 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,880 But this adoration breeds suspicion 313 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:49,640 because here in Seville there are some in the church who fear 314 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,840 that the image of the Virgin 315 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,840 has stolen the limelight from the Virgin herself. 316 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:06,880 The big question is what are the worshippers worshipping? 317 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:12,760 Is it the idea of the Virgin Mary who somehow is out there, 318 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,320 beyond the image? 319 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,680 Or are they worshipping the statue itself? 320 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,320 That's to say this is the idolatry question, 321 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,400 which almost all religions have faced. 322 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,120 The hierarchy of the church has always been anxious 323 00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:39,840 about reactions to such statues and the expense lavished on them. 324 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:47,640 It has seemed uncomfortably close to the worship of images 325 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,440 prohibited by the Ten Commandments. 326 00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:01,640 The Catholic Church has to be very careful about those people 327 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:06,760 who are... whose faith is not very deep. 328 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:11,160 Because the problem is that people in front of the statue 329 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:12,760 think that that's all. 330 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:20,360 The danger is that they believe that everything is that, the statue. 331 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,280 And we have to be careful. 332 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:23,800 That's not the way. 333 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:29,400 It has been blessed, and things like that, but it's a statue. 334 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,920 That's a representation of something higher. 335 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,080 You have to believe that through that statue 336 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,840 you go up to the divinity. 337 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:47,360 It's a basic and perennial problem of religious art, 338 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,640 which all religions must face. 339 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,960 But they take different views of how to handle it. 340 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,240 And of religious imagery more generally. 341 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:12,400 Out on the rural fringes of Istanbul is one of the most striking 342 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,640 religious creations of modern times. 343 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,960 It appeared on the landscape less than a decade ago 344 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,560 and has drawn people in ever since. 345 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,360 It's the Sancaklar Mosque... 346 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,720 ..the work of one of Turkey's most visionary architects. 347 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,880 This is one of the most startling mosques in the world. 348 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,920 What the architects wanted to do is to harness 349 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:07,760 the power of modernism, which is 350 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:12,320 often thought of as a very secular movement, to express the very 351 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:17,480 essence of religious space, stripped of all the non-essentials. 352 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:23,080 And it's certainly untraditional in all kinds of ways. 353 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:25,840 But, in other ways, 354 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,480 it's exploiting the traditions of Islam very heavily. 355 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:36,000 This inside space is meant to be reminiscent of the Cave of Hira, 356 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,120 where the Prophet Muhammad first received 357 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:43,760 the revelation of the Word of God that became the Koran. 358 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,480 And, of course, 359 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:50,080 it also evokes one of the classic stereotypes that many people now 360 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:57,160 have of Islam, that it's a religion that is in some way artless. 361 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:01,320 That it prohibits not just the image of God and the Prophet, 362 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:06,400 but the images of living creatures which only the creator, God, 363 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,840 is supposed to be able to create. 364 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:14,840 In fact, the only man-made image is a wonderful 365 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:19,360 piece of calligraphy which is a quote from the Koran. 366 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:24,200 It's as if what we're expected to do when we come in here 367 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:28,120 is to see and go away with the Word of God. 368 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:37,760 Islam, as a faith of the word, is enshrined in the Koran itself. 369 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:44,200 There are many famous sayings and stories that condemn idolatry 370 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:48,280 and give warning about the dangers of images. 371 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,480 But in the ancient city of Istanbul itself, 372 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,960 a very different picture of Islam fills our field of vision. 373 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:23,200 Islam is absolutely not an artless religion. 374 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,800 In the whole history of the faith, 375 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,120 you cannot trace a single, uncontested line 376 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:38,560 about images of living creatures or about the image of God. 377 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,920 In the Middle Ages, the Islamic world held some of the most 378 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:48,880 intricate debates on aesthetics, the nature of beauty, 379 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,480 the optics of the human eye, 380 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,840 and our sensory experience of the natural world. 381 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,280 And there's a kaleidoscope of stories 382 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:05,280 and parables that are Islam's conversation with itself 383 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:09,480 about the role of the artist and the purpose of the image. 384 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,280 And one of the most revealing takes us 385 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:17,960 into the domestic life of the Prophet Muhammad himself. 386 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:26,960 One day, Muhammad came home to discover that his wife Aisha 387 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,560 had acquired a tapestry 388 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:34,120 with images of living creatures woven into the design. 389 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:35,760 And she'd hung it up. 390 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:39,840 Muhammad is furious, he won't even go into the house 391 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:44,480 because it's the creator God who's supposed to create living 392 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,080 creatures, not some tapestry artist. 393 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:52,640 So, Aisha takes it down but she doesn't let it go to waste. 394 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:56,720 She cuts it up and turns it into cushion covers, 395 00:34:56,720 --> 00:34:59,760 and that, apparently, creates no problem. 396 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:05,440 The story of Aisha's cushion is a wonderful illustration of how 397 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:09,040 Islamic attitudes can shift according to the role 398 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,000 and the setting of the image. 399 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,520 But there's one kind of Islamic art whose role 400 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:19,520 and function is much more significant than any other. 401 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,080 As soon as Muhammad received the Word of God 402 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,080 in the 7th century, 403 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:34,600 calligraphy, or the art of beautiful writing, was taken 404 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,800 to the very heart of Islamic identity. 405 00:35:41,720 --> 00:35:46,320 There's an obligation on the calligrapher to serve 406 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:50,800 the community in which he or she is writing for. 407 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,760 But calligraphers were highly esteemed. 408 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,400 The pen is the potent symbol of knowledge. 409 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:11,160 The art of calligraphy became the means by which the sacred word 410 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:17,080 could be set down, spread, and remain uncorrupted for all time. 411 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,400 From the very birth of Islam, 412 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:25,240 the first verses revealed to the Prophet Muhammad were by the pen. 413 00:36:25,240 --> 00:36:29,960 Therefore, it sanctified the use of the pen at the outset of Islam. 414 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:36,120 And, ever since that point, artisans have been trying to beautify 415 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,560 the divine word through that pen. 416 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,760 Of course, the text of the calligraphy 417 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,480 is very impressive 418 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,120 but, for me, what is more important is the visual 419 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,640 of the calligraphy, the graphic, 420 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,160 the balance and the rhythm of the calligraphy. 421 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:57,320 To be a good calligrapher, you have to have years of work in you. 422 00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,720 Even on one single letter. 423 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,200 It takes a complete life 424 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,640 to come to that maturity to do a good calligraphy. 425 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,840 So, you see all his life in a single stroke. 426 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,840 With exquisite penmanship, 427 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:20,720 Islam had an art form to set it apart from many other religions. 428 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:26,000 And it was said that while the Koran was received in Mecca 429 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,240 and spoken in Cairo, 430 00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:32,720 it was Istanbul that produced the finest calligraphers 431 00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:34,760 able to write it down. 432 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,200 This is the Blue Mosque. 433 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:47,520 It was commissioned in the 17th century by Sultan Ahmed... 434 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,480 ..and, in its almost excessive size and splendour, 435 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:57,400 it was designed to surpass all other mosques in the city. 436 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,240 There are no idols or images of living creatures. 437 00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:09,560 Instead, the walls are alive with the most ornate patterns. 438 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:19,040 Plants and flowers intertwine in the most vivid glaze of ceramic tiles. 439 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,360 And, laced into the scheme, 440 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,800 are some of the most extraordinary 441 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:30,160 examples of monumental calligraphy in the Islamic world. 442 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:39,240 It's as if the Blue Mosque itself was conceived 443 00:38:39,240 --> 00:38:42,560 as a great library of Islamic script, 444 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:47,240 and it's here that we see calligraphy at its most powerful. 445 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:55,320 When you enter the building, above the door, there's a message 446 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,200 telling you to expect something special, 447 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:02,160 that you're going through the Gates of Paradise. 448 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:07,040 And that's just one of a whole series of notices throughout 449 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:11,920 the Mosque, often beautifully written snippets of the Koran 450 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:17,800 which guide the thoughts of the faithful and interpret what you see. 451 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,200 If you look up into the dome, you're reminded that it's Allah 452 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:25,080 who supports the heavens and the world. 453 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,400 And it was a message that basically says that you should take back 454 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:32,280 there into the outside world the state of purity that 455 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,600 you've reached through prayer. 456 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:38,600 It's as if there's a written programme here, 457 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:43,960 telling you how to experience the building and how to look at it. 458 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,840 But for those who worshipped and still worship here, 459 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,720 there's another way of reading this writing. 460 00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:05,920 Placed high above the prayer hall, the script becomes almost illegible. 461 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:07,800 When it was first painted, 462 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,880 many of the faithful would have been illiterate. 463 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:16,360 And, even for those who could read, the clarity of the message is 464 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,800 obscured in the rhythm and patterns of the text. 465 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:27,400 This very magnificent, elaborate script is quite complex. 466 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:34,320 It's not always easy to read and I don't think it was meant to be read. 467 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:38,400 Sometimes it's there also as a form of blessing. 468 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:44,960 And, just by looking at it, you can absorb some of that blessing. 469 00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:54,600 What we have to remember is that writing can work in other ways. 470 00:40:56,040 --> 00:41:00,400 Here, we are seeing God represented 471 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:04,240 in visual form but not as human. 472 00:41:04,240 --> 00:41:10,440 Here, God is displayed as his word in the Koran. 473 00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,960 It's God in the art of writing. 474 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:23,000 Now, Islam is by no means the only religion to use writing 475 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:28,480 as a way to negotiate the problem of how you represent the divine. 476 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:34,720 The Christian gospels, for example, can claim that God is the word. 477 00:41:34,720 --> 00:41:37,280 But in Islam, more than anywhere else, 478 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:43,360 we see the image becoming the word, and the word becoming the image. 479 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:50,520 In the face of all the debates and prohibitions on images, Islamic 480 00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:55,560 calligraphy evolved to redefine what an image of God could be. 481 00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:01,120 No single religion has ever managed completely to resolve 482 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:06,280 the tension between word and image, but there are some moments 483 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,000 when it might just seem possible. 484 00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:28,680 These wonderfully appealing images were made over 500 years ago 485 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:32,080 and they're from the pages of a Jewish Bible. 486 00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:41,040 What's so remarkable is that they dance around a text that is 487 00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:45,080 dense with warnings about idols and images. 488 00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:50,040 And, yet, they flout them in the most charming and beautiful way. 489 00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,440 I've got this extraordinary book open on the page 490 00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:00,320 of the second commandment, the one that prohibits idols. 491 00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,840 Now, there have been centuries of debate 492 00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:08,920 and disagreement about what that prohibition actually meant. 493 00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:10,320 But, in this case, 494 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,880 unless there's an appallingly flagrant contradiction going on, 495 00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:19,720 it is not taken to forbid a quite extravagant 496 00:43:19,720 --> 00:43:21,440 set of images, 497 00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,920 even on the same opening as the second commandment, 498 00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,480 you get these two little chaps, little big bums there. 499 00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:36,800 And, throughout the book, you find really lavish pictures. 500 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:42,120 Here is a full page of the menorah. 501 00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:45,560 And the rather lovely narrative scenes, 502 00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:49,000 like Jonah and his encounter with the whale. 503 00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,880 But what makes the Bible so precious 504 00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,600 is that it's a testament to a brief 505 00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:01,760 but extraordinary moment in Spanish history when Muslim, Christian, 506 00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,520 and Jewish traditions came together 507 00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,840 in a really productive and imaginative way. 508 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:14,320 If you look at this book, you can see in some ways the Jewish artist 509 00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:20,280 really celebrating the mixed traditions of medieval Spain. 510 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,560 Some of it really clearly 511 00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,760 has roots in Islamic traditions. 512 00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:32,080 And this is a wonderful image, rather like a carpet, 513 00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,120 and, at first sight, it looks very, very Islamic. 514 00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,160 Then you discover, when you look carefully, 515 00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:42,240 that it's got this incy-wincy writing all around it, 516 00:44:42,240 --> 00:44:46,160 micrography, it's called, which is really distinctively Jewish. 517 00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,920 So, it's a wonderful bit of cultural blending in itself. 518 00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:54,560 And there are bits of Christian tradition, a wonderful picture 519 00:44:54,560 --> 00:45:02,200 of King David actually based on a European playing card. 520 00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:06,160 Now, the man who did these extraordinary images 521 00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,280 very proudly signs his name 522 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:15,200 over a whole page at the very end of the book. 523 00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,400 He says that 524 00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:25,240 "I Joseph ibn Hayyim decorated and finished this." 525 00:45:25,240 --> 00:45:29,200 Now, these Jewish bibles are not very often signed, 526 00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:33,120 certainly not signed in a way that takes a whole page. 527 00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,560 This is wonderful chutzpah, it's a kind of artist who 528 00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:40,400 even at the very end of his work can't keep that artistry in. 529 00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,960 But this is much more than a name. 530 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:50,560 Here Joseph ibn Hayyim is addressing the fundamental issue 531 00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:54,560 of word and image that divides so many religions. 532 00:45:56,240 --> 00:46:00,640 And, in his own way, he settles the debate. 533 00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:05,120 In his hands, they're one and the same thing. 534 00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:14,760 The poignant fact is that under 20 years after this page was completed, 535 00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:19,520 the Catholics expelled the Jews from Spain. 536 00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:24,520 This Bible survives not only as a witness to integration, 537 00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,280 but also to religious war. 538 00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,760 So too in England. 539 00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:42,960 Through the 16th and 17th centuries, Protestants and Catholics 540 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,720 fought over this land in a conflict whose visual scars 541 00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:49,880 can be found in churches across the country. 542 00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:55,480 There's no more powerful evidence of that than Ely Cathedral. 543 00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,280 Though later much restored, 544 00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:05,040 Ely remains an exquisite jewel of Gothic architecture. 545 00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,320 Its cavernous knave, 546 00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:15,280 its ornate carvings that still reflect their medieval colours. 547 00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:23,000 And high above, this extraordinary Octagonal Lantern, 548 00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,280 almost a gateway to heaven itself. 549 00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,720 But during the great religious schism, 550 00:47:29,720 --> 00:47:33,760 the splendour of Ely would fall victim to one of England's 551 00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,800 most infamous Protestant reformers. 552 00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:43,720 On 9 January 1644, Oliver Cromwell, 553 00:47:43,720 --> 00:47:47,640 who was then Governor of Ely, marched into this cathedral 554 00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:51,520 in what is one of the most mythologised and probably 555 00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:56,720 highly embellished incidents in the English Religious Civil Wars. 556 00:47:56,720 --> 00:48:01,400 It's hard to imagine it now because it all feels so tranquil here, 557 00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,160 but the story goes that 558 00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:07,760 Cromwell went up to the priest who was conducting evening service, 559 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,680 told him to put away his version of the prayer book, 560 00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:15,160 to stop the choir singing - a kind of "turn off the music" moment - 561 00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:18,960 and then he either actively encouraged 562 00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:25,040 or at least did nothing to stop his troops turning on the fabric, 563 00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:29,800 and the images and the glass in the place. 564 00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,320 As they went through the vestry and the cloisters, 565 00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,840 what they did was basically smash the place up. 566 00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:43,200 Cromwell's attack was just one assault in a long campaign 567 00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,320 against the images at Ely. 568 00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:49,160 For these reformers, the worship of holy images 569 00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,560 was a Catholic superstition, 570 00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,760 a distraction from the pure word of God. 571 00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:56,720 The images at Ely had to go. 572 00:48:56,720 --> 00:48:59,440 And here in the Lady Chapel, 573 00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:04,960 there remains evidence of widespread destruction on another occasion. 574 00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:08,400 Lots of different kinds of iconoclasm have gone on here. 575 00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:13,440 The original stained-glass windows are one obvious casualty. 576 00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:17,560 But they've also gone for the figures - of saints, of kings 577 00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:19,920 and the scenes from the life of the Virgin. 578 00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,720 Sometimes the whole sculpture's just been removed, 579 00:49:27,720 --> 00:49:31,360 but quite often what they've done is they've just taken away 580 00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:37,000 the head and the hands, leaving the body in place. 581 00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:42,960 It's as if they were aiming to destroy those bits of the sculpture 582 00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:47,680 that gave it its most living power, the bits that you interacted with. 583 00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:55,200 The point is, I think, that this isn't just random vandalism, 584 00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:59,080 this is quite focused, even thoughtful destruction. 585 00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:05,680 Iconoclasm is something we often deplore, 586 00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,760 but there is another way of looking at it. 587 00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:16,080 Those figures minus heads and minus hands have not been made invisible. 588 00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:17,640 It's almost as if they've 589 00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:21,400 been turned into a different sort of image in their own right. 590 00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:25,800 An artful narrative of religious conflict. 591 00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:32,200 But there are more and perhaps unintended consequences 592 00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:34,280 to such artful destruction. 593 00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:37,800 Liberated, you might almost say, 594 00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:42,480 from the figures of saints and prophets that once crowded the walls 595 00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:47,840 and with its clear stainless windows, the Lady Chapel 596 00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:53,800 has been transformed, giving us another version of beauty. 597 00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:59,000 This is a tremendously aesthetically pleasing space. 598 00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:06,000 It's light and airy and a marvellous mixture of austerity and decoration. 599 00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:11,440 And we owe that to the iconoclasts. 600 00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:20,280 This fine balance between destruction and creation 601 00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:21,920 is often overlooked, 602 00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:25,920 but it's what makes iconoclasm so interesting, so paradoxical. 603 00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,000 And it gets yet more intriguing 604 00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,240 when we look at other theatres of religious war. 605 00:51:35,240 --> 00:51:41,160 When Muslim armies from Afghanistan invaded India in the 12th century, 606 00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,920 they were horrified by what they found. 607 00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,920 This was the original home of the Hindu faith, 608 00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:55,400 were people worshipped not one God but millions. 609 00:51:55,400 --> 00:52:00,040 Worse still, artists across India were kept busy 610 00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,800 creating a never-ending array of idols 611 00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,960 that were central to Hindu religion. 612 00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,880 Muslim writers often presented India 613 00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,640 as a place of image worship gone mad, 614 00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:20,160 even as the very origin of idols themselves. 615 00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:24,040 One story had it that idols only spread more widely in the world 616 00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,640 because they'd been washed away from India 617 00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:28,520 by the waters of Noah's flood. 618 00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,120 Along with these stories, 619 00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:35,720 legendary tales were sent back to the Muslim world 620 00:52:35,720 --> 00:52:40,200 of mass idol-breaking and the total destruction of Hindu temples. 621 00:52:41,720 --> 00:52:46,040 And in their place, the Muslim crusaders built this. 622 00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,800 This is the first mosque in Delhi. 623 00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,320 Constructed in the 1190s, 624 00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:12,400 it was once known as the most imposing mosque in the world. 625 00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:19,120 Huge arches form a grand gateway, 626 00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:24,800 a towering minaret proclaims Islam as the one true faith. 627 00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:28,880 And in the centre, surrounding the prayer hall, 628 00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,680 is this extraordinary ornate colonnade. 629 00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:38,240 It's easy to imagine this 630 00:53:38,240 --> 00:53:41,440 as a sanctuary for the Muslims who made it, 631 00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:45,400 an island of Islam in an idolatrous Hindu world. 632 00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:48,880 But in this building, 633 00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:52,960 the Hindu world isn't quite so distant as it may seem. 634 00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:58,160 Various elements of earlier Hindu structures and images 635 00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:02,960 have actually been reused and incorporated into its very fabric. 636 00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:25,440 One point must be to assert conquest by Islam 637 00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:29,640 and to show how the Hindu idols have at least been neutralised. 638 00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,560 But even when they have been defaced, some aspects 639 00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:38,880 of the humanity of these human figures have been preserved. 640 00:54:40,720 --> 00:54:42,880 The simple fact, for example, 641 00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:47,120 that they've chosen to place most of them the right way up, 642 00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:51,480 suggests a respect for the human form and its image. 643 00:54:53,720 --> 00:54:57,880 This remarkable mosque portrays a certain appreciation 644 00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,680 of the very pictures Islam condemned. 645 00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:05,040 And just like Ely Cathedral, 646 00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:09,680 it demonstrates that even in the most severe cases of iconoclasm, 647 00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:14,240 art lives on - inextricably bound to faith. 648 00:55:17,240 --> 00:55:21,280 But destruction can raise even bigger questions too. 649 00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:34,520 I want to end at one of the world's most famous and densest 650 00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:40,600 religious spaces, a place once the home of the ancient gods, 651 00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:43,720 later converted into a Christian church 652 00:55:43,720 --> 00:55:46,560 and later still turned into a mosque. 653 00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:58,760 Built around 450BC, the Parthenon was originally dedicated to the 654 00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:04,320 goddess Athena, and for centuries it teamed with images of the divine. 655 00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:12,360 It used to be one of the richest and most colourful, 656 00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:16,320 most intense religious places anywhere. 657 00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,600 A real phantasmagoria of religious images. 658 00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:25,600 And everywhere you looked, there were religious offerings, 659 00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:28,400 altars for sacrifice and temples. 660 00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:34,680 Only the bare bones of Ancient Greek or any other religion stand here 661 00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:40,520 today, but it's become the focus of a worship of another kind. 662 00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:45,440 It's easy to come to a place like the Acropolis and to assume 663 00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:50,760 that whatever religion there once was here has gone for good. 664 00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,680 But I think we should be a bit more careful. 665 00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:56,160 However secular they might be, 666 00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:59,320 when people here look at this monument, 667 00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:04,120 when they admire its art and engage with its mythology, 668 00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:06,680 many are reflecting on questions 669 00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:10,160 that religions have often helped us face. 670 00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:13,800 Where do I come from? Where do I belong? 671 00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:17,360 What's my place in human history? 672 00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:23,560 I think people are engaged in a modern faith here, 673 00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:26,640 the one we call civilisation. 674 00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:31,600 It's an idea that behaves very much like a religion. 675 00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:38,400 It offers grand narratives about our origins and our destiny. 676 00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:41,320 Bringing people together in shared belief. 677 00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:46,080 And the Parthenon has become its icon. 678 00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:52,360 So if you ask me, "What is civilisation?" 679 00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:58,200 I say, "It's little more than an act of faith." 680 00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:12,240 The Open University has produced a free poster that explores 681 00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:16,200 the history of different civilisations through artefacts. 682 00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:19,240 To order your free copy, please call... 683 00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:24,840 ..or go to the address on-screen 684 00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:27,800 and follow the links for the Open University. 92159

Can't find what you're looking for?
Get subtitles in any language from opensubtitles.com, and translate them here.