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Do not pass "Go." 6 00:00:29,923 --> 00:00:31,547 Go directly to McDonald's. 7 00:00:31,631 --> 00:00:34,214 - If you were around back in the '90s... 8 00:00:34,297 --> 00:00:36,923 - Now at McDonald's, Monopoly is more than a game! 9 00:00:37,005 --> 00:00:38,172 You can play it... 10 00:00:38,255 --> 00:00:39,839 - You heard it everywhere. 11 00:00:39,923 --> 00:00:42,589 - The game Monopoly is back at McDonald's, 12 00:00:42,673 --> 00:00:44,673 bigger and better than ever. 13 00:00:44,756 --> 00:00:47,673 - This year, there's more prizes than ever. 14 00:00:47,756 --> 00:00:52,089 - McDonald's ran the Monopoly game for years. 15 00:00:52,172 --> 00:00:53,714 - Hey, collect the right game pieces... 16 00:00:53,798 --> 00:00:56,214 - And win $2 million. - [gasps] 17 00:00:56,297 --> 00:00:57,839 - But no one... 18 00:00:57,923 --> 00:01:03,506 knew the truth about the game being played. 19 00:01:03,589 --> 00:01:04,798 No one. 20 00:01:04,881 --> 00:01:07,881 ["Been Caught Stealing" by Jane's Addiction] 21 00:01:07,964 --> 00:01:09,506 ♪ ♪ 22 00:01:09,589 --> 00:01:11,547 - People everywhere are winning big! 23 00:01:11,631 --> 00:01:13,506 - ♪ I've been caught stealing ♪ 24 00:01:13,589 --> 00:01:16,381 ♪ Once when I was five ♪ 25 00:01:16,464 --> 00:01:18,214 ♪ I enjoy stealing ♪ 26 00:01:18,297 --> 00:01:20,422 - The McDonald's prizes could be cars, 27 00:01:20,506 --> 00:01:24,798 boats, $100,000 up to the million dollars. 28 00:01:24,881 --> 00:01:27,089 - ♪ When I want something, man ♪ 29 00:01:27,172 --> 00:01:28,839 ♪ I don't wanna pay for it ♪ 30 00:01:28,923 --> 00:01:31,756 - But from 1989 to 2001... 31 00:01:31,839 --> 00:01:34,089 - ♪ Hey! ♪ - I won a Dodge Viper! 32 00:01:34,172 --> 00:01:36,464 - There were no legitimate winners 33 00:01:36,547 --> 00:01:39,172 of the high value game pieces 34 00:01:39,255 --> 00:01:42,255 in the McDonald's Monopoly game. 35 00:01:42,339 --> 00:01:46,506 I mean, how crazy bullshit is that? 36 00:01:46,589 --> 00:01:48,756 [laughing] 37 00:01:48,839 --> 00:01:52,923 - ♪ It's mine ♪ 38 00:01:53,005 --> 00:01:55,964 [dramatic music] 39 00:01:56,047 --> 00:02:03,130 ♪ ♪ 40 00:02:38,923 --> 00:02:42,047 [waves crashing] 41 00:02:52,089 --> 00:02:55,089 [eerie music] 42 00:02:55,172 --> 00:03:02,255 ♪ ♪ 43 00:03:03,214 --> 00:03:06,631 - Jacksonville FBI had a little bit of a reputation 44 00:03:06,714 --> 00:03:10,839 of being a Sleepy Hollow retirement office. 45 00:03:10,923 --> 00:03:14,547 There was a slower attitude there. 46 00:03:14,631 --> 00:03:15,964 Very undersized. 47 00:03:16,047 --> 00:03:17,130 You know, a fraction 48 00:03:17,214 --> 00:03:19,964 of a Miami or an Atlanta or something like that, 49 00:03:20,047 --> 00:03:22,255 spread, you know-- spread very thin. 50 00:03:22,339 --> 00:03:25,339 [light suspenseful music] 51 00:03:25,422 --> 00:03:29,839 ♪ ♪ 52 00:03:29,923 --> 00:03:32,923 At the time, in 2001, I supervised a squad 53 00:03:33,005 --> 00:03:36,547 of approximately 12 agents charged with investigating 54 00:03:36,631 --> 00:03:38,881 white-collar crime, bank fraud, 55 00:03:38,964 --> 00:03:41,756 healthcare fraud, public corruption. 56 00:03:41,839 --> 00:03:43,422 Even before I got there, 57 00:03:43,506 --> 00:03:46,214 I kept hearing about this legendary guy, Rick Dent, 58 00:03:46,297 --> 00:03:49,756 mid-career senior agent and his partner Doug Mathews, 59 00:03:49,839 --> 00:03:52,214 a newly assigned agent to the division. 60 00:03:52,297 --> 00:03:54,547 - I'm Special Agent Mathews. 61 00:03:54,631 --> 00:03:56,714 When you pull Jacksonville as an office you're going to, 62 00:03:56,798 --> 00:03:59,381 I know what I heard was, "Good luck with that." 63 00:03:59,464 --> 00:04:02,547 For big cases, man, you are-- you're like duct-taping stuff 64 00:04:02,631 --> 00:04:05,381 together just 'cause you wanna make it happen. 65 00:04:05,464 --> 00:04:08,047 That's the type of division you were in. 66 00:04:08,798 --> 00:04:12,589 I was lucky to link up with Rick Dent early on 67 00:04:12,673 --> 00:04:16,506 and have him as the old guard, you know, my training agent. 68 00:04:17,297 --> 00:04:20,673 He's a mathematician and has about as much personality 69 00:04:20,756 --> 00:04:23,214 as this piece of wood right here. 70 00:04:23,297 --> 00:04:24,964 Very matter of fact. 71 00:04:25,047 --> 00:04:26,964 And so he and I were kind of opposites there. 72 00:04:27,047 --> 00:04:29,923 You know, I'm always looking for another fun ride, right? 73 00:04:30,005 --> 00:04:31,589 If you guys get to Rick Dent, 74 00:04:31,673 --> 00:04:33,214 I'm telling you he's gonna be... 75 00:04:33,297 --> 00:04:34,547 "Yes." 76 00:04:34,631 --> 00:04:36,339 "No." 77 00:04:36,422 --> 00:04:37,798 "Don't recall." 78 00:04:37,881 --> 00:04:44,964 ♪ ♪ 79 00:04:46,756 --> 00:04:49,714 [light music] 80 00:04:49,798 --> 00:04:52,339 The priority for the FBI 81 00:04:52,422 --> 00:04:55,589 at that particular juncture was healthcare fraud. 82 00:04:55,673 --> 00:04:57,422 ♪ ♪ 83 00:04:57,506 --> 00:05:01,464 We're working a one- to three-year type case. 84 00:05:01,547 --> 00:05:03,130 That's a long time. 85 00:05:03,214 --> 00:05:05,464 Sometimes I have that ADD thing 86 00:05:05,547 --> 00:05:07,798 of the shinier object or whatever. 87 00:05:07,881 --> 00:05:11,047 So I see this note in the corner part of his desk, 88 00:05:11,130 --> 00:05:15,297 and all I saw was "McDonald's Monopoly Fraud?" 89 00:05:15,381 --> 00:05:16,798 with a question mark. 90 00:05:16,881 --> 00:05:19,422 And I go, "What is that?" 91 00:05:21,089 --> 00:05:22,214 'Cause I'm bored to death 92 00:05:22,297 --> 00:05:24,005 of this healthcare garbage, right? 93 00:05:24,089 --> 00:05:27,464 It's important, but I was ready to move on. 94 00:05:27,547 --> 00:05:29,964 I go, "Is this the McDonald's Monopoly game?" 95 00:05:30,047 --> 00:05:32,005 He was like, "Yeah. 96 00:05:32,089 --> 00:05:33,881 Eventually I was gonna get around to it." 97 00:05:33,964 --> 00:05:35,881 ♪ ♪ 98 00:05:35,964 --> 00:05:39,172 So what he told me was that there was an individual 99 00:05:39,255 --> 00:05:41,756 who had called in and had this story 100 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,923 that the Monopoly game was fixed. 101 00:05:45,005 --> 00:05:46,506 ♪ ♪ 102 00:05:46,589 --> 00:05:48,506 That was pretty much it. 103 00:05:48,589 --> 00:05:50,506 I go, "Give me that damn thing. 104 00:05:50,589 --> 00:05:52,506 I'm gonna go check this out." 105 00:05:52,589 --> 00:05:53,839 I'm seeing the fun meter with that. 106 00:05:53,923 --> 00:05:55,631 Like, that's gotta be more fun than this shit 107 00:05:55,714 --> 00:05:58,297 that I'm looking at. 108 00:05:58,381 --> 00:06:02,297 Dent thought it was just some BS story... 109 00:06:02,381 --> 00:06:04,255 so, "Pfff, this--yeah, here. 110 00:06:04,339 --> 00:06:06,923 Run with this for a little bit, young man." 111 00:06:08,506 --> 00:06:12,589 I contacted the source of this call, 112 00:06:12,673 --> 00:06:13,673 and the source 113 00:06:13,756 --> 00:06:17,005 gave me three names 114 00:06:17,089 --> 00:06:19,839 that were previous million-dollar winners 115 00:06:19,923 --> 00:06:22,589 and said, "I know this is fixed because 116 00:06:22,673 --> 00:06:24,506 "these people are related. 117 00:06:24,589 --> 00:06:26,047 "They're on the family tree somehow. 118 00:06:26,130 --> 00:06:27,964 With all different names." 119 00:06:28,047 --> 00:06:31,214 And the person who's controlling this 120 00:06:31,297 --> 00:06:35,714 was this nebulous name of Uncle Jerry. 121 00:06:35,798 --> 00:06:37,798 ♪ ♪ 122 00:06:37,881 --> 00:06:40,005 So I come back, like, I'm excited right? 123 00:06:40,089 --> 00:06:41,714 I got the biggest case ever, right? 124 00:06:41,798 --> 00:06:44,297 And I said, "Look, all million-dollar winners. 125 00:06:44,381 --> 00:06:45,881 "We need to be on this. 126 00:06:45,964 --> 00:06:47,589 Screw that health--" I think I probably said that. 127 00:06:47,673 --> 00:06:49,547 "Screw that healthcare shit we're working, right?" 128 00:06:49,631 --> 00:06:51,047 Or something like that. [laughs] 129 00:06:51,130 --> 00:06:52,589 I don't--Rick, I don't know if that was it, 130 00:06:52,673 --> 00:06:54,422 or I know you would never agree with that. 131 00:06:54,506 --> 00:06:57,047 But like any senior agent goes-- 132 00:06:57,130 --> 00:06:59,005 and this happens even in today's Bureau. 133 00:06:59,089 --> 00:07:00,631 The new young guy goes out 134 00:07:00,714 --> 00:07:02,714 and finds a nice piece of gold. 135 00:07:02,798 --> 00:07:04,714 The old agent goes, 136 00:07:04,798 --> 00:07:06,714 "Give me that back, and let me look at this." 137 00:07:06,798 --> 00:07:08,839 [laughing] That's about how it was. 138 00:07:11,631 --> 00:07:13,756 - Truth be told, I was a little skeptical. 139 00:07:13,839 --> 00:07:16,714 You know, fast food, promotional game fraud 140 00:07:16,798 --> 00:07:19,547 was not making any list of priorities anywhere. 141 00:07:19,631 --> 00:07:21,422 I don't think anybody had really even seen anything 142 00:07:21,506 --> 00:07:23,422 like this before, so... 143 00:07:23,506 --> 00:07:27,047 there's always a risk that I turn these guys loose on this, 144 00:07:27,130 --> 00:07:28,881 and it turns out it's not true 145 00:07:28,964 --> 00:07:30,881 and that I've expended resources, 146 00:07:30,964 --> 00:07:33,047 but you know, I think we all realized... 147 00:07:33,130 --> 00:07:37,714 if this is true, this is, you know--this is big. 148 00:07:37,798 --> 00:07:40,839 - What Rick did was immediately get in touch 149 00:07:40,923 --> 00:07:44,631 with the U.S. Attorney's Office and Mark Devereaux, 150 00:07:44,714 --> 00:07:47,297 'cause if you don't have an interest from a prosecutor, 151 00:07:47,381 --> 00:07:48,756 you're wasting your time. 152 00:07:48,839 --> 00:07:51,798 [funky music] 153 00:07:51,881 --> 00:07:55,714 ♪ ♪ 154 00:07:55,798 --> 00:07:58,297 Devereaux was the go-to guy 155 00:07:58,381 --> 00:08:01,839 that prosecuted all of our white-collar stuff. 156 00:08:01,923 --> 00:08:03,798 - If there's a chance this thing can be indicted, 157 00:08:03,881 --> 00:08:06,464 prosecuted, even if it's a difficult case, 158 00:08:06,547 --> 00:08:07,964 he's gonna be the guy to do it 159 00:08:08,047 --> 00:08:10,005 because he's the guy behind the wheel. 160 00:08:10,089 --> 00:08:13,381 ♪ ♪ 161 00:08:13,464 --> 00:08:17,631 - That part of the sell, to get that prosecutor on was-- 162 00:08:17,714 --> 00:08:19,673 that was a big deal. 163 00:08:19,756 --> 00:08:23,005 I don't know if Devereaux knew what Monopoly game was. 164 00:08:23,089 --> 00:08:24,547 I have no idea. 165 00:08:24,631 --> 00:08:26,881 You know, I think he was a Burger King guy. 166 00:08:27,005 --> 00:08:28,047 I don't know. 167 00:08:28,130 --> 00:08:33,589 ♪ ♪ 168 00:08:37,172 --> 00:08:40,756 - My name's Mark Devereaux, Assistant U.S. Attorney 169 00:08:40,839 --> 00:08:42,631 for almost 30 years. 170 00:08:42,714 --> 00:08:44,589 In this case, it was, you know, 171 00:08:44,673 --> 00:08:47,005 I don't know if this is real, or don't know 172 00:08:47,089 --> 00:08:50,047 if it's just somebody trying to get family members 173 00:08:50,130 --> 00:08:52,381 somehow interviewed and get 'em in trouble. 174 00:08:52,464 --> 00:08:54,714 [dramatic music] 175 00:08:54,798 --> 00:08:57,464 But lo and behold... 176 00:08:57,547 --> 00:09:02,798 when we received a list of all the winners, 177 00:09:02,881 --> 00:09:06,005 we were able to show, through different databases, 178 00:09:06,089 --> 00:09:08,714 that these individuals were related. 179 00:09:08,798 --> 00:09:10,923 They had family connections 180 00:09:11,005 --> 00:09:13,005 in the local Jacksonville area. 181 00:09:13,089 --> 00:09:14,506 In my world, 182 00:09:14,589 --> 00:09:17,547 you don't believe in coincidences very much. 183 00:09:17,631 --> 00:09:21,923 And the chance of having numerous family members 184 00:09:22,005 --> 00:09:26,005 and relatives win the game was just astronomical. 185 00:09:26,089 --> 00:09:31,714 ♪ ♪ 186 00:09:31,798 --> 00:09:35,089 Basically, you've got less of a chance than you do 187 00:09:35,172 --> 00:09:37,589 of getting struck by lightning in Florida. 188 00:09:37,673 --> 00:09:41,089 [thunderclap] 189 00:09:41,172 --> 00:09:44,714 At that point in time, we knew there was a problem. 190 00:09:44,798 --> 00:09:48,881 How big was that problem? We had no idea. 191 00:09:48,964 --> 00:09:50,172 - The information that we were compiling 192 00:09:50,255 --> 00:09:52,756 is that their contest had been infected 193 00:09:52,839 --> 00:09:56,756 years before we became aware. 194 00:09:56,839 --> 00:09:59,422 - I mean, we're talking, you know, altogether, 195 00:09:59,506 --> 00:10:01,547 potentially hundreds of millions of dollars 196 00:10:01,631 --> 00:10:03,172 of these prizes. 197 00:10:03,255 --> 00:10:06,464 Well, how much of that is fraud? 198 00:10:06,547 --> 00:10:07,756 ♪ ♪ 199 00:10:07,839 --> 00:10:10,923 - Once Devereaux said, "Yeah, I'm interested in this," 200 00:10:11,005 --> 00:10:13,381 he's on for everything. 201 00:10:13,464 --> 00:10:16,381 All the strategy sessions. 202 00:10:16,464 --> 00:10:19,339 Some prosecutors, you see that space, you know. 203 00:10:19,422 --> 00:10:21,756 Devereaux, you got no space. 204 00:10:21,839 --> 00:10:23,881 Right all up in there with you. 205 00:10:23,964 --> 00:10:25,923 ♪ ♪ 206 00:10:26,005 --> 00:10:30,589 - So we start with where could there be the opportunity 207 00:10:30,673 --> 00:10:34,214 to steal the game piece? 208 00:10:34,297 --> 00:10:37,964 - We weren't sure if there was somebody inside 209 00:10:38,047 --> 00:10:40,631 with McDonald's, where that person was, 210 00:10:40,714 --> 00:10:45,089 how many, and how far that went. 211 00:10:45,172 --> 00:10:47,297 - How many suspects do we have? 212 00:10:47,381 --> 00:10:50,297 We have to figure out who makes the cups, 213 00:10:50,381 --> 00:10:52,089 who makes the fry box, 214 00:10:52,172 --> 00:10:55,297 who makes these game pieces that you would pull off-- 215 00:10:55,381 --> 00:10:59,464 how many people are in this chain? 216 00:10:59,547 --> 00:11:00,839 - There's all kinds of possibilities. 217 00:11:00,923 --> 00:11:03,923 This could be the driver, the delivery people, 218 00:11:04,005 --> 00:11:06,839 people in the factory, or even, you know, 219 00:11:06,923 --> 00:11:09,881 somebody in corporate at McDonald's. 220 00:11:09,964 --> 00:11:13,297 - We didn't close out anyone. 221 00:11:13,381 --> 00:11:16,589 ♪ ♪ 222 00:11:16,673 --> 00:11:19,839 - So there reached a point where there was a ton 223 00:11:19,923 --> 00:11:24,089 of questions, but it was, I mean, very difficult 224 00:11:24,172 --> 00:11:28,839 to pursue that further without putting some action to it. 225 00:11:28,923 --> 00:11:30,881 There wasn't a lot of, like, let me just, you know, 226 00:11:30,964 --> 00:11:32,798 at the time get on the Internet and do some-- 227 00:11:32,881 --> 00:11:34,297 there wasn't a lot of that. 228 00:11:34,381 --> 00:11:36,839 ♪ ♪ 229 00:11:36,923 --> 00:11:40,547 - We clearly had to start somewhere, 230 00:11:40,631 --> 00:11:44,589 but without compromising the case. 231 00:11:44,673 --> 00:11:46,005 ♪ ♪ 232 00:11:46,089 --> 00:11:50,798 So we needed a source of information on the inside. 233 00:11:50,881 --> 00:11:53,547 - There was a big decision to be made, and that was: 234 00:11:53,631 --> 00:11:55,547 do we contact McDonald's? 235 00:11:55,631 --> 00:11:59,005 Because we just ran into a dead end. 236 00:11:59,089 --> 00:12:01,839 - I was sitting back going, "Don't let 'em know. 237 00:12:01,923 --> 00:12:05,214 I don't want them involved yet. Way too soon." 238 00:12:05,297 --> 00:12:07,464 But that's me. And I was--that was just one 239 00:12:07,547 --> 00:12:10,631 little tiny voice, and I mean tiny when I say that. 240 00:12:10,714 --> 00:12:13,464 - Of course there's a possibility that somebody 241 00:12:13,547 --> 00:12:18,130 in McDonald's is involved or knows about this 242 00:12:18,214 --> 00:12:20,381 and is looking the other way, 243 00:12:20,464 --> 00:12:22,506 but that was a risk we were willing to, 244 00:12:22,589 --> 00:12:24,714 you know, ultimately willing to take. 245 00:12:24,798 --> 00:12:27,631 ♪ ♪ 246 00:12:29,297 --> 00:12:32,214 - We didn't want to alert 247 00:12:32,297 --> 00:12:34,339 too many people at McDonald's, 248 00:12:34,422 --> 00:12:38,839 so we contacted their head of global security, 249 00:12:38,923 --> 00:12:41,964 Rob Holm, and told him that, 250 00:12:42,047 --> 00:12:45,464 "It would probably be best for you to come to Jacksonville." 251 00:12:45,547 --> 00:12:47,422 Didn't tell him why. 252 00:12:47,506 --> 00:12:51,172 Just told him, "You have to come and see us." 253 00:12:51,255 --> 00:12:54,297 That this was need-to-know only. 254 00:12:54,381 --> 00:12:57,923 Do not tell anybody you're coming to see the FBI, 255 00:12:58,005 --> 00:13:00,422 to keep it quiet. 256 00:13:00,506 --> 00:13:03,172 McDonald's sent three people 257 00:13:03,255 --> 00:13:06,506 and I personally picked them up here in Jacksonville, 258 00:13:06,589 --> 00:13:10,964 and we drove over to the FBI office in the morning. 259 00:13:11,047 --> 00:13:14,839 Mostly it was just, "Welcome to Jacksonville," 260 00:13:14,923 --> 00:13:16,339 this and that. 261 00:13:16,422 --> 00:13:19,047 Didn't even explain to them what we had. 262 00:13:19,130 --> 00:13:21,589 ♪ ♪ 263 00:13:21,673 --> 00:13:25,172 We got to the FBI office... 264 00:13:25,255 --> 00:13:28,339 ♪ ♪ 265 00:13:28,422 --> 00:13:31,339 Took 'em up to the conference room... 266 00:13:31,422 --> 00:13:34,214 ♪ ♪ 267 00:13:34,297 --> 00:13:36,839 - You know, you're evaluating their body language 268 00:13:36,923 --> 00:13:38,422 or whether they're twitching. 269 00:13:38,506 --> 00:13:40,047 Are they genuine? Are they legitimate? 270 00:13:40,130 --> 00:13:42,756 Or is there--you know, is there something else going on here? 271 00:13:42,839 --> 00:13:45,756 - At that point, we did not know 272 00:13:45,839 --> 00:13:47,964 if McDonald's was involved. 273 00:13:48,047 --> 00:13:51,506 Every organization can have a bad apple. 274 00:13:51,589 --> 00:13:53,881 ♪ ♪ 275 00:13:53,964 --> 00:13:56,339 - This part of the investigation 276 00:13:56,422 --> 00:13:58,881 was extremely boring to me. 277 00:13:58,964 --> 00:14:00,964 Like, I don't want anything to do with this. 278 00:14:01,047 --> 00:14:03,005 "Call me when it's over, Rick," right? 279 00:14:03,089 --> 00:14:05,923 And--which was sort of my M.O. a lot of times. 280 00:14:06,005 --> 00:14:07,714 It's way too slow for me, 281 00:14:07,798 --> 00:14:09,714 but I was--"No, you gotta be here for that." 282 00:14:09,798 --> 00:14:12,547 And I so I think I showed up. I might've had a gold suit on. 283 00:14:12,631 --> 00:14:15,589 [brassy music] 284 00:14:15,673 --> 00:14:17,339 ♪ ♪ 285 00:14:17,422 --> 00:14:19,214 I had it in the closet, 286 00:14:19,297 --> 00:14:20,714 and I thought, "This is a great opportunity, 287 00:14:20,798 --> 00:14:22,964 when it's like a golden fry suit," right? 288 00:14:23,047 --> 00:14:25,381 Man, when I wore that in there, Mark Devereaux, 289 00:14:25,464 --> 00:14:28,130 if he could've ripped it off with his hands, he would have. 290 00:14:28,214 --> 00:14:29,839 He goes, "Are you kidding me?" 291 00:14:29,923 --> 00:14:31,339 But I had a white shirt on, right? 292 00:14:31,422 --> 00:14:32,798 So I thought I was safe. 293 00:14:32,881 --> 00:14:34,631 [laughs] I wasn't. 294 00:14:35,631 --> 00:14:40,506 - Doug has quite a wardrobe, and there he is sitting there. 295 00:14:40,589 --> 00:14:41,714 And lo and behold, he looks like 296 00:14:41,798 --> 00:14:44,339 he's a manager of a McDonald's. 297 00:14:44,422 --> 00:14:46,714 ♪ ♪ 298 00:14:46,798 --> 00:14:48,881 - They thought it was cool. 299 00:14:48,964 --> 00:14:50,881 [laughing] 300 00:14:50,964 --> 00:14:52,381 I'm kidding. 301 00:14:52,464 --> 00:14:55,798 So when you're there in that meeting, very tense. 302 00:14:55,881 --> 00:15:00,547 - I went up to a whiteboard and started putting names down. 303 00:15:00,631 --> 00:15:04,005 [dramatic music] 304 00:15:04,089 --> 00:15:08,255 And I asked, "Do you recognize the names?" 305 00:15:09,464 --> 00:15:11,673 - "No, sir." 306 00:15:11,756 --> 00:15:13,464 "All these people 307 00:15:13,547 --> 00:15:16,631 are winners on your promotional games." 308 00:15:16,714 --> 00:15:18,673 ♪ ♪ 309 00:15:18,756 --> 00:15:21,381 And then I started drawing lines 310 00:15:21,464 --> 00:15:24,798 of family connections and relationships. 311 00:15:24,881 --> 00:15:26,255 ♪ ♪ 312 00:15:26,339 --> 00:15:28,339 - Devereaux's putting it right on the whiteboard there. 313 00:15:28,422 --> 00:15:30,214 "Well, did you know this? Do you know this?" 314 00:15:30,297 --> 00:15:31,756 Brothers, sisters, cousins, 315 00:15:31,839 --> 00:15:34,089 a mother-daughter, that type thing. 316 00:15:34,172 --> 00:15:38,673 - This person is married to this person's daughter. 317 00:15:38,756 --> 00:15:41,506 And the names, the last names, were all different. 318 00:15:42,589 --> 00:15:47,381 And I remember it was literally jaws on the table. 319 00:15:47,464 --> 00:15:50,047 They just could not believe it. 320 00:15:50,130 --> 00:15:53,005 - Even though we had, it looked like, 321 00:15:53,089 --> 00:15:55,255 our corporate victim here of McDonald's, 322 00:15:55,339 --> 00:15:56,631 are they truly a victim? 323 00:15:56,714 --> 00:15:58,464 I mean, there's always that. 324 00:15:58,547 --> 00:16:03,047 ♪ ♪ 325 00:16:03,130 --> 00:16:04,756 And so, there was more information there 326 00:16:04,839 --> 00:16:06,297 than I would've probably put out there. 327 00:16:06,381 --> 00:16:07,964 Certainly enough for them to see, 328 00:16:08,047 --> 00:16:09,631 "Wow, yeah, we have an issue." 329 00:16:09,714 --> 00:16:12,964 - Everybody agreed that we needed to keep this circle 330 00:16:13,047 --> 00:16:16,089 of individuals that had this knowledge 331 00:16:16,172 --> 00:16:19,839 to the absolute minimum. 332 00:16:19,923 --> 00:16:22,464 - You know, Devereaux was doing most the talking 333 00:16:22,547 --> 00:16:25,255 as he usually does, and it just seemed like 334 00:16:25,339 --> 00:16:28,130 this meeting just took forever. 335 00:16:28,214 --> 00:16:29,464 I don't even know if I was hungry; 336 00:16:29,547 --> 00:16:32,422 I might've been hungry twice in that meeting. 337 00:16:35,172 --> 00:16:37,130 - Proving this case historically, 338 00:16:37,214 --> 00:16:40,047 which is what we traditionally did in white-collar cases 339 00:16:40,130 --> 00:16:41,297 when you rely on paperwork, 340 00:16:41,381 --> 00:16:42,923 you rely on witness interviews, 341 00:16:43,005 --> 00:16:46,506 you rely on bank statements, was gonna be very difficult. 342 00:16:46,589 --> 00:16:49,297 I mean, almost monumental. 343 00:16:49,381 --> 00:16:53,005 So we would, in this case, have to think outside the box. 344 00:16:53,089 --> 00:16:56,172 And then we find out that they were on the cusp 345 00:16:56,255 --> 00:16:57,923 of running another game. 346 00:16:58,005 --> 00:17:02,506 It was kind of a perfect fit because we were looking 347 00:17:02,589 --> 00:17:04,673 to doing something proactively, 348 00:17:04,756 --> 00:17:06,589 essentially catch people in the act. 349 00:17:07,673 --> 00:17:10,381 - We told them the only way 350 00:17:10,464 --> 00:17:14,673 to identify this criminal enterprise was 351 00:17:14,756 --> 00:17:18,756 to have them run a game knowing that there's fraud 352 00:17:18,839 --> 00:17:20,381 somewhere involved in this. 353 00:17:20,464 --> 00:17:23,172 ♪ ♪ 354 00:17:23,255 --> 00:17:25,673 - We have this. We're going forward. 355 00:17:25,756 --> 00:17:27,089 We want your help. 356 00:17:27,172 --> 00:17:30,047 If the answer is no... 357 00:17:30,130 --> 00:17:31,631 nothing happens. 358 00:17:31,714 --> 00:17:37,130 ♪ ♪ 359 00:17:48,339 --> 00:17:49,964 - My name is Rob Holm, 360 00:17:50,047 --> 00:17:52,631 Director of Global Security for McDonald's. 361 00:17:55,005 --> 00:17:58,089 Our brand is, throughout the world, 362 00:17:58,172 --> 00:17:59,631 37,000 restaurants 363 00:17:59,714 --> 00:18:01,881 in 120 countries. 364 00:18:01,964 --> 00:18:04,089 So it's--it's a big responsibility. 365 00:18:04,172 --> 00:18:07,089 [light music] 366 00:18:07,172 --> 00:18:08,547 ♪ ♪ 367 00:18:08,631 --> 00:18:11,339 When I first learned about our Monopoly game 368 00:18:11,422 --> 00:18:14,047 being compromised, I was shocked. 369 00:18:14,130 --> 00:18:15,714 I was utterly shocked. 370 00:18:15,798 --> 00:18:17,798 How in the world could this have happened? 371 00:18:17,881 --> 00:18:21,964 More importantly, was anybody from McDonald's a part of this? 372 00:18:22,047 --> 00:18:24,297 ♪ ♪ 373 00:18:24,381 --> 00:18:27,172 The FBI wanted to run the promotion 374 00:18:27,255 --> 00:18:30,297 knowing that it was rigged. 375 00:18:30,381 --> 00:18:32,422 I was hesitant to do that, 376 00:18:32,506 --> 00:18:35,923 obviously concerned that if this game is rigged, 377 00:18:36,005 --> 00:18:38,381 customers are not even gonna get a chance 378 00:18:38,464 --> 00:18:40,339 to win the million dollars. 379 00:18:40,422 --> 00:18:43,464 - I think we were naive to think that they would agree 380 00:18:43,547 --> 00:18:46,130 right then and there and, you know, we'd be off to, 381 00:18:46,214 --> 00:18:48,381 you know, off--off and running. 382 00:18:48,464 --> 00:18:50,756 These promotions were... 383 00:18:50,839 --> 00:18:54,130 of everything McDonald's, one of the bright spots. 384 00:18:54,214 --> 00:18:56,381 You know, I remember the mad cow, and at that time, 385 00:18:56,464 --> 00:18:58,130 McDonald's was, you know, 386 00:18:58,214 --> 00:19:00,005 struggling with some image things. 387 00:19:00,089 --> 00:19:02,839 - Concern over Britain's so-called mad cow disease 388 00:19:02,923 --> 00:19:05,881 spread late today to McDonald's restaurants. 389 00:19:05,964 --> 00:19:07,798 - First mad cow, now this. 390 00:19:07,881 --> 00:19:10,839 - ♪ McDonald's and you ♪ 391 00:19:10,923 --> 00:19:14,005 ♪ McDonald's and you, sharing good times ♪ 392 00:19:14,089 --> 00:19:16,464 - The most important thing for McDonald's 393 00:19:16,547 --> 00:19:17,798 is their brand name. 394 00:19:17,881 --> 00:19:20,881 They're a family restaurant that can be trusted. 395 00:19:20,964 --> 00:19:24,756 Their golden arches are a part of America. 396 00:19:24,839 --> 00:19:27,798 - ♪ Remember there's only one McDonald's ♪ 397 00:19:27,881 --> 00:19:30,714 ♪ And there's only one you ♪ 398 00:19:30,798 --> 00:19:33,047 - They have to protect that. 399 00:19:33,130 --> 00:19:35,547 - ♪ McDonald's and you ♪ 400 00:19:35,631 --> 00:19:40,839 - And so, if it's on the 6:00 news and the national news 401 00:19:40,923 --> 00:19:43,422 that McDonald's games are a fraud, 402 00:19:43,506 --> 00:19:46,673 they could suffer irreparable damage 403 00:19:46,756 --> 00:19:49,339 to their good name. 404 00:19:49,422 --> 00:19:51,047 I wasn't in their meetings, 405 00:19:51,130 --> 00:19:53,047 but I would bet dollars to doughnuts 406 00:19:53,130 --> 00:19:56,339 that there were a few people that said, "We can't do this. 407 00:19:56,422 --> 00:20:00,339 Shut it off," and nobody ever finds out about this. 408 00:20:00,422 --> 00:20:02,255 - They wanted this big meeting. 409 00:20:02,339 --> 00:20:05,339 And so we went out there to Illinois, 410 00:20:05,422 --> 00:20:06,339 at their headquarters. 411 00:20:06,422 --> 00:20:08,673 They got, like, this... 412 00:20:08,756 --> 00:20:10,756 great coffee inside to-- 413 00:20:10,839 --> 00:20:12,297 you know, when you walk in their place 414 00:20:12,381 --> 00:20:13,839 and you're waiting on them. 415 00:20:13,923 --> 00:20:17,047 So anyway, I know that's a--aside. 416 00:20:17,130 --> 00:20:19,881 - And at that time, we weren't sure 417 00:20:19,964 --> 00:20:22,172 which way they were gonna go. 418 00:20:22,255 --> 00:20:25,005 That was a heck of a decision. 419 00:20:26,255 --> 00:20:29,047 There were so many "what ifs." 420 00:20:29,130 --> 00:20:32,881 What if it's somebody within our own company? 421 00:20:32,964 --> 00:20:34,297 A traitor? 422 00:20:34,381 --> 00:20:35,964 We've got a problem. 423 00:20:37,631 --> 00:20:39,172 They needed to find that out, 424 00:20:39,255 --> 00:20:41,339 because if they had just shut down, 425 00:20:41,422 --> 00:20:43,047 it may have continued. 426 00:20:43,130 --> 00:20:44,714 - Look, how many people been playing this thing? 427 00:20:44,798 --> 00:20:47,714 And they're gonna find out we didn't help burn this down. 428 00:20:47,798 --> 00:20:51,547 McDonald's knew they had a ticking bomb. 429 00:20:51,631 --> 00:20:53,756 [elevator dings] 430 00:20:57,005 --> 00:20:59,589 - Making that call was something that 431 00:20:59,673 --> 00:21:01,172 we took seriously. 432 00:21:01,255 --> 00:21:03,130 Our worry all along was 433 00:21:03,214 --> 00:21:06,297 that this could be leaked out publically. 434 00:21:06,381 --> 00:21:09,005 So it was not an easy decision, 435 00:21:09,089 --> 00:21:11,673 but ultimately, we owed it to our customers 436 00:21:11,756 --> 00:21:13,381 to do the right thing, 437 00:21:13,464 --> 00:21:16,172 which is to run the game one more time. 438 00:21:17,839 --> 00:21:21,673 - We absolutely knew that if we didn't get this right, 439 00:21:21,756 --> 00:21:23,381 we're not getting another opportunity. 440 00:21:23,464 --> 00:21:25,089 It's not like, "Don't worry. 441 00:21:25,172 --> 00:21:26,589 We'll run this again next month." 442 00:21:26,673 --> 00:21:30,089 We knew that, at best, we had this one shot 443 00:21:30,172 --> 00:21:33,089 to move our investigation. 444 00:21:33,172 --> 00:21:35,339 - ♪ This is how we do it ♪ 445 00:21:35,422 --> 00:21:37,547 - From that point, it was literally, 446 00:21:37,631 --> 00:21:40,047 "McDonald's, tell us how this program works." 447 00:21:40,130 --> 00:21:42,673 But McDonald's makes French fries 448 00:21:42,756 --> 00:21:45,798 and hamburgers and milkshakes and apple pies. 449 00:21:45,881 --> 00:21:48,172 They don't make marketing. 450 00:21:48,255 --> 00:21:49,756 They outsourced it. 451 00:21:49,839 --> 00:21:53,923 They hired a marketing company, Simon Marketing. 452 00:21:54,005 --> 00:21:55,631 - ♪ This is how we do it ♪ 453 00:21:55,714 --> 00:21:57,631 - Simon Marketing actually produced and came up with 454 00:21:57,714 --> 00:21:59,589 the Happy Meal toys back in the '80s. 455 00:21:59,673 --> 00:22:01,798 - Your kids will love McDonald's Happy Meal. 456 00:22:01,881 --> 00:22:03,255 It's food and fun in a box. 457 00:22:03,339 --> 00:22:05,005 - The Happy Meal is gonna increase your business, 458 00:22:05,089 --> 00:22:06,339 but it's for the children. 459 00:22:06,422 --> 00:22:08,005 - I've got a Happy Meal! 460 00:22:08,089 --> 00:22:10,214 - They wanted a promotion for the adult. 461 00:22:10,297 --> 00:22:12,089 - ♪ Like McDonald's can ♪ 462 00:22:12,172 --> 00:22:13,756 - I'm Richard White, 463 00:22:13,839 --> 00:22:16,881 started at Simon Marketing in 1981. 464 00:22:16,964 --> 00:22:20,464 - The game Monopoly has come to life at McDonald's. 465 00:22:20,547 --> 00:22:23,297 - The Monopoly game, we designed that game 466 00:22:23,381 --> 00:22:25,798 and it was running once a year. 467 00:22:25,881 --> 00:22:28,130 - A $2 million grand prize! 468 00:22:28,214 --> 00:22:29,464 Play Monopoly. 469 00:22:29,547 --> 00:22:31,506 - It was a ridiculous amount of increase 470 00:22:31,589 --> 00:22:32,798 in McDonald's business. 471 00:22:32,881 --> 00:22:35,339 Like, 40% when we ran the game. 472 00:22:35,422 --> 00:22:37,047 People love collecting. 473 00:22:37,130 --> 00:22:38,631 - The Monopoly promotion 474 00:22:38,714 --> 00:22:42,673 is much like the "Monopoly" game you would have at home. 475 00:22:42,756 --> 00:22:45,297 Customers try to match game pieces, 476 00:22:45,381 --> 00:22:47,464 like Boardwalk and Park Place. 477 00:22:47,547 --> 00:22:49,964 - They had their cards, and it'd be full, 478 00:22:50,047 --> 00:22:52,214 but they'd be missing a piece and a piece and a piece... 479 00:22:52,297 --> 00:22:54,005 and a piece and a piece-- 'cause those were 480 00:22:54,089 --> 00:22:55,214 the winning pieces. 481 00:22:55,297 --> 00:22:57,547 - And there was low-value pieces that you could win 482 00:22:57,631 --> 00:22:59,464 food items, beverages, 483 00:22:59,547 --> 00:23:00,756 and then some of the high-value pieces: 484 00:23:00,839 --> 00:23:03,381 homes, vehicles, and the million dollars. 485 00:23:03,464 --> 00:23:04,839 - [gasps] Boardwalk. 486 00:23:04,923 --> 00:23:06,506 all: Boardwalk? 487 00:23:06,589 --> 00:23:08,506 - So they were after that million-dollar winner. 488 00:23:08,589 --> 00:23:10,714 You know, people like chance games. 489 00:23:10,798 --> 00:23:12,589 Any game we did for McDonald's 490 00:23:12,673 --> 00:23:14,214 always increased their business. 491 00:23:14,297 --> 00:23:16,297 We actually did Scrabble one year. 492 00:23:16,381 --> 00:23:19,381 Got to where they started doing it twice a year. 493 00:23:19,464 --> 00:23:21,214 How are we gonna get our sales back up? 494 00:23:21,297 --> 00:23:23,297 Let's run Monopoly again. 495 00:23:23,381 --> 00:23:25,547 - ♪ This is how we do it ♪ 496 00:23:25,631 --> 00:23:27,214 ♪ All hands up in the air ♪ 497 00:23:27,297 --> 00:23:29,381 - There were very specific rules 498 00:23:29,464 --> 00:23:32,214 for how you could obtain the game piece. 499 00:23:32,297 --> 00:23:35,673 One of the ways was that you could just walk in 500 00:23:35,756 --> 00:23:38,881 and ask, for free, to get a game piece. 501 00:23:38,964 --> 00:23:40,923 Because otherwise it was gambling. 502 00:23:41,005 --> 00:23:42,881 How else can you get the game piece? 503 00:23:42,964 --> 00:23:45,089 You could go in and buy a food product, 504 00:23:45,172 --> 00:23:47,214 and you could get the game piece 505 00:23:47,297 --> 00:23:48,964 out of some of the magazines. 506 00:23:49,047 --> 00:23:52,005 Nowhere in the game rules does it say, 507 00:23:52,089 --> 00:23:55,714 "I can get a game piece from Uncle Jerry." 508 00:23:55,798 --> 00:23:58,214 - ♪ This is how we do it ♪ 509 00:23:58,297 --> 00:24:01,255 [tense music] 510 00:24:01,339 --> 00:24:02,839 ♪ ♪ 511 00:24:02,923 --> 00:24:04,422 - With a significant case, 512 00:24:04,506 --> 00:24:07,297 an undercover operation or something that involves 513 00:24:07,381 --> 00:24:09,547 a lot of people, you could give it a name. 514 00:24:09,631 --> 00:24:11,756 So we had a contest to come up with a name 515 00:24:11,839 --> 00:24:13,923 among--among the squad. 516 00:24:14,005 --> 00:24:15,422 Some of the names, uh... 517 00:24:15,506 --> 00:24:18,422 Operation Unhappy Meal, Fallen Arches. 518 00:24:18,506 --> 00:24:21,172 I think there were a few playing on the Hamburglar, 519 00:24:21,255 --> 00:24:22,964 something about Stale Fries. 520 00:24:23,047 --> 00:24:24,422 I don't think we sent that one up 521 00:24:24,506 --> 00:24:25,881 to headquarters for approval. 522 00:24:26,005 --> 00:24:29,005 I think calmer, more rational minds prevailed. 523 00:24:29,089 --> 00:24:30,631 The new promotional game was called, 524 00:24:30,714 --> 00:24:31,964 "Who Wants to Be a Millionaire?" 525 00:24:32,047 --> 00:24:33,589 to match up with the TV show. 526 00:24:33,673 --> 00:24:34,923 - Play the "Who Wants to be a Millionaire" 527 00:24:35,005 --> 00:24:36,422 game at McDonald's. 528 00:24:36,506 --> 00:24:37,881 - If you remember the TV show, they asked, 529 00:24:37,964 --> 00:24:39,297 "Is that your final answer?" 530 00:24:39,381 --> 00:24:41,047 - Final answer? - Final answer. 531 00:24:41,130 --> 00:24:44,255 - So that ultimately became the name of this operation. 532 00:24:44,339 --> 00:24:46,798 ♪ ♪ 533 00:24:46,881 --> 00:24:48,214 Game time. 534 00:24:48,297 --> 00:24:50,214 Kickoff has started, and we're in the game. 535 00:24:50,297 --> 00:24:53,255 ♪ ♪ 536 00:24:58,214 --> 00:25:00,631 - At the time, I was always looking for 537 00:25:00,714 --> 00:25:03,339 an undercover angle, even though I was being told, 538 00:25:03,422 --> 00:25:05,255 "You don't want that. You don't want that." 539 00:25:05,339 --> 00:25:06,714 You know, I was always asking, 540 00:25:06,798 --> 00:25:09,089 "What about this one? What about this one?" 541 00:25:09,172 --> 00:25:10,673 Go get the bad guy, right? 542 00:25:10,756 --> 00:25:13,089 I wanna burn down the criminal enterprise. 543 00:25:14,589 --> 00:25:16,673 - Maybe it's the-- the accountant in him 544 00:25:16,756 --> 00:25:18,798 or this Walter Mitty complex, 545 00:25:18,881 --> 00:25:20,464 but this was the opportunity 546 00:25:20,547 --> 00:25:22,506 to, you know, be an undercover agent 547 00:25:22,589 --> 00:25:26,005 even before we could articulate the need 548 00:25:26,089 --> 00:25:28,881 to do any kind of undercover-- that there was always this, 549 00:25:28,964 --> 00:25:30,673 you know, somehow, some way, 550 00:25:30,756 --> 00:25:32,881 we gotta do an undercover in this thing. 551 00:25:32,964 --> 00:25:34,172 ♪ ♪ 552 00:25:34,255 --> 00:25:36,673 - Every single meeting, I'm the one over there going, 553 00:25:36,756 --> 00:25:39,214 "Undercover investigation, undercover investigation." 554 00:25:39,297 --> 00:25:41,172 I didn't think anybody was listening. 555 00:25:41,255 --> 00:25:42,631 As a matter of fact, I think a couple of them 556 00:25:42,714 --> 00:25:44,964 started out with, "Mathews, I don't wanna hear anything 557 00:25:45,047 --> 00:25:46,547 "about an undercover investigation. 558 00:25:46,631 --> 00:25:48,297 Just sit over there and listen." 559 00:25:48,381 --> 00:25:51,422 Rick always coined that I was the George Costanza 560 00:25:51,506 --> 00:25:53,381 'cause "Seinfeld" was big back then. 561 00:25:53,464 --> 00:25:56,547 [laughter] - All right, that's it for me. 562 00:25:56,631 --> 00:25:58,756 Take care, everybody. 563 00:25:58,839 --> 00:26:00,547 - I'd come in and I'd say, "Undercover," 564 00:26:00,631 --> 00:26:02,214 and I'm gone, I was out. 565 00:26:02,297 --> 00:26:04,297 - You could kind of let him run with things a little bit 566 00:26:04,381 --> 00:26:06,464 and then bring him back to reality. 567 00:26:06,547 --> 00:26:08,297 Okay, "Yeah, that's great, Doug. 568 00:26:08,381 --> 00:26:10,964 "By the way, I still need that FD-302 you promised me, 569 00:26:11,047 --> 00:26:14,047 "so why don't you go get that done, 570 00:26:14,130 --> 00:26:16,381 and then we'll talk about undercover work." 571 00:26:16,464 --> 00:26:19,297 [phone ringing] 572 00:26:20,214 --> 00:26:22,422 So we get the call from McDonald's that this guy, 573 00:26:22,506 --> 00:26:26,047 Michael Hoover, a winner, had claimed the latest prize. 574 00:26:26,130 --> 00:26:30,047 So we had the advantage of knowing this person's name, 575 00:26:30,130 --> 00:26:33,297 and we're able to do a little bit of preliminary background. 576 00:26:33,381 --> 00:26:37,005 [dramatic music] 577 00:26:37,089 --> 00:26:40,673 Think he worked as a pit boss at a casino. 578 00:26:42,089 --> 00:26:43,964 So I guess he would've been familiar with 579 00:26:44,047 --> 00:26:46,881 gambling and sweepstakes and whatnot. 580 00:26:47,631 --> 00:26:49,714 - Rick wanted to try to do the wiretap. 581 00:26:49,798 --> 00:26:52,089 It's a called a Title III investigation, and it's-- 582 00:26:52,172 --> 00:26:54,422 the wiretap investigation got up. 583 00:26:54,506 --> 00:26:56,339 And, you know, you're sitting-- 584 00:26:56,422 --> 00:26:57,673 you're not really doing anything, 585 00:26:57,756 --> 00:26:59,923 and that's a boring situation for me. 586 00:27:00,005 --> 00:27:01,589 I don't know how many poems I can write 587 00:27:01,673 --> 00:27:03,673 on a piece of paper to get through it. 588 00:27:03,756 --> 00:27:06,964 So I said, "Look, what do you think about this?" 589 00:27:07,047 --> 00:27:09,130 When you win, part of your signing up 590 00:27:09,214 --> 00:27:11,964 as a winner is to say, "Hey, I'm okay with using 591 00:27:12,047 --> 00:27:14,798 my face in the big check," or whatever it is 592 00:27:14,881 --> 00:27:16,506 for future promotions. 593 00:27:16,589 --> 00:27:18,798 So I saw that as an opportunity. 594 00:27:18,881 --> 00:27:22,255 Let's use that as a platform for us. 595 00:27:22,339 --> 00:27:24,089 ♪ ♪ 596 00:27:24,172 --> 00:27:26,422 I said, "I think this is a great opportunity 597 00:27:26,506 --> 00:27:29,005 "for an undercover investigation where we do 598 00:27:29,089 --> 00:27:32,297 "this TV commercial of the winners 599 00:27:32,381 --> 00:27:34,422 "like Publishers Clearing House. 600 00:27:34,506 --> 00:27:37,089 "Jumping up, telling us how they won these 601 00:27:37,172 --> 00:27:39,089 "and what they did with it, that kind of thing. 602 00:27:39,172 --> 00:27:41,923 "So we could do that with Hoover. 603 00:27:42,005 --> 00:27:44,255 "You know, we're the production company. 604 00:27:44,339 --> 00:27:45,506 That's how this could roll." 605 00:27:45,589 --> 00:27:47,964 He's like, "Mathews, who's gonna do this? 606 00:27:48,047 --> 00:27:49,839 You gonna do it? 'Cause I'm not doing it." 607 00:27:49,923 --> 00:27:52,130 And I said, "Yeah, I'm gonna do it." 608 00:27:52,214 --> 00:27:54,297 He goes, "Well, you don't know anything about that." 609 00:27:54,381 --> 00:27:57,172 And I said, "I'm gonna be the director. 610 00:27:57,255 --> 00:27:58,839 "Because they don't do shit. 611 00:27:58,923 --> 00:28:02,339 "And then I'm gonna get McDonald's to give me 612 00:28:02,422 --> 00:28:04,464 their public relations." 613 00:28:04,547 --> 00:28:05,631 That's all I said. 614 00:28:05,714 --> 00:28:07,422 And Rick goes, "Wait a minute. 615 00:28:07,506 --> 00:28:09,923 "If we're going to do anything, 616 00:28:10,005 --> 00:28:12,839 we're gonna need SAC authority." 617 00:28:12,923 --> 00:28:18,255 ♪ ♪ 618 00:28:20,756 --> 00:28:23,130 - I'm Tom Kneir. I was the special agent 619 00:28:23,214 --> 00:28:26,631 in charge of the Jacksonville office of the FBI. 620 00:28:26,714 --> 00:28:30,547 In each office, you have the SAC for the office. 621 00:28:30,631 --> 00:28:32,547 That's their Special Agent in Charge. 622 00:28:32,631 --> 00:28:34,464 And then you have squads. 623 00:28:34,547 --> 00:28:40,381 Most of the contact is usually with the squad supervisor. 624 00:28:40,464 --> 00:28:42,714 But this was--this was a particular case 625 00:28:42,798 --> 00:28:46,714 that, you know, I had a lot of hands-on with Chris 626 00:28:46,798 --> 00:28:48,798 and everybody that worked on that case. 627 00:28:49,964 --> 00:28:52,214 Doug was almost brand new at the time, 628 00:28:52,297 --> 00:28:55,381 and he's been given a badge, a gun, 629 00:28:55,464 --> 00:28:56,881 and some credentials, 630 00:28:56,964 --> 00:28:59,381 and now he's got a Superman's cape, right? 631 00:28:59,464 --> 00:29:01,464 [laughing] And away he goes. 632 00:29:01,547 --> 00:29:04,255 - So the next day, I think I was called. 633 00:29:04,339 --> 00:29:06,631 And he said, "Hey, you need to come up here." 634 00:29:06,714 --> 00:29:08,589 When you hear your name, 635 00:29:08,673 --> 00:29:11,589 "Mathews to the SAC's office," 636 00:29:11,673 --> 00:29:12,881 never good. 637 00:29:12,964 --> 00:29:14,631 Never, ever good. 638 00:29:14,714 --> 00:29:16,714 And everybody knows. It's like the walk of shame. 639 00:29:16,798 --> 00:29:18,673 To the elevators, whatever. 640 00:29:18,756 --> 00:29:20,089 "Oh, shit, Mathews. 641 00:29:20,172 --> 00:29:21,839 I hope you still have a paycheck." 642 00:29:21,923 --> 00:29:24,047 'Cause they all know it's bad. 643 00:29:25,172 --> 00:29:28,839 And so I come in and it's SAC Kneir, CDC, 644 00:29:28,923 --> 00:29:32,089 the Chief Division Council, Rick Dent, Graham, 645 00:29:32,172 --> 00:29:36,005 in this room about this size, so small. 646 00:29:36,089 --> 00:29:37,923 ♪ ♪ 647 00:29:38,005 --> 00:29:40,839 And they all, like, turned to look at me, and I'm like... 648 00:29:41,839 --> 00:29:43,130 And I go, "I'm sorry." 649 00:29:43,214 --> 00:29:44,631 That's all I said. 650 00:29:44,714 --> 00:29:46,047 And Rick goes, 651 00:29:46,130 --> 00:29:49,255 "You know, I think this might work. 652 00:29:49,339 --> 00:29:51,214 And he's gonna do it." 653 00:29:51,297 --> 00:29:54,714 And that right then was probably--if I was ever, like, 654 00:29:54,798 --> 00:29:56,547 concerned about, "I don't know, man. 655 00:29:56,631 --> 00:29:58,005 This might get somewhere--" you know, whatever, 656 00:29:58,089 --> 00:29:59,589 be careful what you ask for, thing? 657 00:29:59,673 --> 00:30:01,506 Maybe that was the moment for me, 658 00:30:01,589 --> 00:30:03,881 but it quickly passed and I was back in. 659 00:30:03,964 --> 00:30:05,714 ♪ ♪ 660 00:30:05,798 --> 00:30:07,422 - We didn't have a lot of undercover agents 661 00:30:07,506 --> 00:30:08,839 in Jacksonville. 662 00:30:08,923 --> 00:30:11,339 You know, you could call headquarters and say, 663 00:30:11,422 --> 00:30:14,631 "Hey, you know, we need a undercover agent down here." 664 00:30:14,714 --> 00:30:16,798 "Well, he's not available for three weeks," 665 00:30:16,881 --> 00:30:18,339 and, you know. And so we--we'd just 666 00:30:18,422 --> 00:30:20,047 kind of rolled the dice and said, "You know what? 667 00:30:20,130 --> 00:30:22,089 Doug is a little bit of an actor anyway," 668 00:30:22,172 --> 00:30:24,172 so I guess that's when my hair turned white. 669 00:30:24,255 --> 00:30:25,839 [laughs] No. 670 00:30:25,923 --> 00:30:28,506 - Being an undercover agent, it's not just something 671 00:30:28,589 --> 00:30:30,798 you raise your hand and decide to do. 672 00:30:30,881 --> 00:30:33,297 You know, there's a stringent process, a school, 673 00:30:33,381 --> 00:30:36,798 testing, all these things that didn't exactly mesh 674 00:30:36,881 --> 00:30:39,798 with Doug's concept of being undercover. 675 00:30:39,881 --> 00:30:41,798 You know, he wanted to... 676 00:30:41,881 --> 00:30:44,255 wanted to get right up there on stage. 677 00:30:44,339 --> 00:30:47,673 ♪ ♪ 678 00:30:47,756 --> 00:30:49,673 - He was not a certified undercover, 679 00:30:49,756 --> 00:30:51,381 but for a specific case, 680 00:30:51,464 --> 00:30:53,673 you can get what they call SAC authority 681 00:30:53,756 --> 00:30:57,172 to do undercover work, and that's what Doug Mathews 682 00:30:57,255 --> 00:30:59,381 did just for that specific case. 683 00:30:59,464 --> 00:31:03,005 My name's Janet Pellicciotti, and I was a special agent 684 00:31:03,089 --> 00:31:05,172 for the FBI in the Jacksonville Division. 685 00:31:05,255 --> 00:31:06,756 I was our undercover coordinator also, 686 00:31:06,839 --> 00:31:10,172 and I tried to get him to become an undercover agent 687 00:31:10,255 --> 00:31:11,839 because he was just-- he was a natural. 688 00:31:11,923 --> 00:31:14,464 Undercover was like acting, only... 689 00:31:14,547 --> 00:31:15,673 it's real. 690 00:31:15,756 --> 00:31:18,464 You know, you sit there and there's a real threat, 691 00:31:18,547 --> 00:31:20,506 and somebody could harm you. 692 00:31:20,589 --> 00:31:21,756 They could really harm you. 693 00:31:21,839 --> 00:31:23,255 - The Jacksonville Division, 694 00:31:23,339 --> 00:31:25,756 if you talk to Agent Pellicciotti, 695 00:31:25,839 --> 00:31:29,255 is a small division that didn't do a lot of this. 696 00:31:32,089 --> 00:31:33,714 - Right, so I got to do all the fun 697 00:31:33,798 --> 00:31:35,881 and not have to go through all the bullshit. 698 00:31:35,964 --> 00:31:38,798 Yeah, just make it happen. That's what it was. 699 00:31:38,881 --> 00:31:40,339 "Hey, Mathews, just make it happen." 700 00:31:40,422 --> 00:31:41,756 And I'm thinking to myself... 701 00:31:43,631 --> 00:31:44,756 And then two is... 702 00:31:45,714 --> 00:31:48,172 [jazzy music] 703 00:31:48,255 --> 00:31:50,047 - He wanted to be thrown into the lion's den, 704 00:31:50,130 --> 00:31:53,214 and he wouldn't have gotten it if the SAC did not feel 705 00:31:53,297 --> 00:31:55,047 he could handle himself. 706 00:31:55,130 --> 00:31:57,881 So they got some undercovers, you know, 707 00:31:57,964 --> 00:31:59,964 to act as a film crew. 708 00:32:00,964 --> 00:32:04,381 - My name is Jan Garvin, and I was videographer. 709 00:32:04,464 --> 00:32:07,047 When I answered his call, he said, 710 00:32:07,130 --> 00:32:08,339 "You're gonna love this." 711 00:32:08,422 --> 00:32:09,923 Not, "Hey, Jan, how's it going? 712 00:32:10,005 --> 00:32:11,214 Let's go, you know-- how was the trip?" 713 00:32:11,297 --> 00:32:13,130 You know, it was like, "You're gonna love this." 714 00:32:13,214 --> 00:32:15,881 And after he explained what it was, it was like... 715 00:32:18,089 --> 00:32:19,172 And... 716 00:32:21,839 --> 00:32:24,756 ♪ ♪ 717 00:32:24,839 --> 00:32:27,714 - We needed to put together what appears to be 718 00:32:27,798 --> 00:32:29,839 a legitimate production company. 719 00:32:29,923 --> 00:32:32,464 A video person, an audio person, 720 00:32:32,547 --> 00:32:35,589 a director and a-- an interviewer. 721 00:32:35,673 --> 00:32:38,005 - I go, "Yeah, I need one just to act like 722 00:32:38,089 --> 00:32:39,756 "they're the lighting person or whatever. 723 00:32:39,839 --> 00:32:42,047 "Nobody needs to see that you're Bureau, right? 724 00:32:42,130 --> 00:32:44,172 "So give me somebody that's not stupid, 'cause, 725 00:32:44,255 --> 00:32:45,923 you know, we don't know jack, right?" 726 00:32:46,005 --> 00:32:48,714 In my mind I just thought, you know, just get on the stage 727 00:32:48,798 --> 00:32:52,005 and everything will be fine; you'll just roll right through. 728 00:32:52,089 --> 00:32:56,255 ♪ ♪ 729 00:32:56,339 --> 00:32:57,798 - With any production company 730 00:32:57,881 --> 00:32:59,547 and any good undercover operation, 731 00:32:59,631 --> 00:33:01,506 you need a good name and in this case, 732 00:33:01,589 --> 00:33:03,881 we came up with Shamrock Productions. 733 00:33:03,964 --> 00:33:06,839 ♪ ♪ 734 00:33:06,923 --> 00:33:09,047 Which is good, but I always liked the byline, 735 00:33:09,130 --> 00:33:11,172 "'Cause you're just lucky." 736 00:33:12,172 --> 00:33:14,047 - That was--that was good. 737 00:33:14,130 --> 00:33:18,798 ♪ ♪ 738 00:33:18,881 --> 00:33:21,547 - We thought about having everybody 739 00:33:21,631 --> 00:33:25,756 in this undercover operation be FBI personnel. 740 00:33:25,839 --> 00:33:27,547 They legitimately tried to make that happen. 741 00:33:27,631 --> 00:33:32,464 It just--the way that this scenario had to run, 742 00:33:32,547 --> 00:33:35,839 you needed somebody inside McDonald's 743 00:33:35,923 --> 00:33:38,089 with that background. 744 00:33:38,172 --> 00:33:40,798 That would be hard to fake. 745 00:33:40,881 --> 00:33:43,839 [light music] 746 00:33:43,923 --> 00:33:46,214 ♪ ♪ 747 00:33:46,297 --> 00:33:48,839 - My name's Amy Murray. 748 00:33:48,923 --> 00:33:52,214 I've been with McDonald's for 22 years. 749 00:33:52,297 --> 00:33:54,005 ♪ ♪ 750 00:33:54,089 --> 00:33:56,547 The FBI investigation happened 17 years ago, 751 00:33:56,631 --> 00:33:59,172 and it's been years since I've talked to anyone, 752 00:33:59,255 --> 00:34:01,964 so, in fact, I don't really tell the story that much 753 00:34:02,047 --> 00:34:03,547 because, you know, 754 00:34:03,631 --> 00:34:05,547 how do you drop into conversation that 755 00:34:05,631 --> 00:34:07,798 you're part of an FBI investigation? 756 00:34:07,881 --> 00:34:10,714 ♪ ♪ 757 00:34:10,798 --> 00:34:14,964 Back in 2001, I was in the communications department. 758 00:34:15,047 --> 00:34:17,506 I had only been working on Monopoly and games 759 00:34:17,589 --> 00:34:19,297 for about six months. 760 00:34:20,589 --> 00:34:24,089 My boss's boss called me into his office and he was like, 761 00:34:24,172 --> 00:34:26,506 "Amy, the FBI has contacted us. 762 00:34:26,589 --> 00:34:31,172 "They've told us that the game pieces are being stolen 763 00:34:31,255 --> 00:34:34,881 "and that the entire game may be compromised 764 00:34:34,964 --> 00:34:36,589 by a criminal ring." 765 00:34:36,673 --> 00:34:40,673 And if you can imagine, I was completely shocked. 766 00:34:42,130 --> 00:34:45,214 You know, I felt sick to my stomach. 767 00:34:45,297 --> 00:34:49,005 To break that trust was just devastating. 768 00:34:49,089 --> 00:34:50,798 How could this possibly happen? 769 00:34:50,881 --> 00:34:53,255 I started thinking back to all the answers 770 00:34:53,339 --> 00:34:55,756 that I've heard from Monopoly winners in the past, 771 00:34:55,839 --> 00:34:59,047 and it did seem like they were almost scripted. 772 00:34:59,839 --> 00:35:02,172 Hindsight's 20/20, and I started to realize 773 00:35:02,255 --> 00:35:05,089 that it did seem like there was a pattern. 774 00:35:05,172 --> 00:35:08,172 You know, I used that word, "pattern" and I think that 775 00:35:08,255 --> 00:35:10,464 was when the FBI really said, 776 00:35:10,547 --> 00:35:13,756 "It would be great to talk to Amy directly, 777 00:35:13,839 --> 00:35:16,422 since she has so much contact with the winners." 778 00:35:16,506 --> 00:35:18,422 ♪ ♪ 779 00:35:18,506 --> 00:35:21,589 - For a civilian to participate in an undercover operation 780 00:35:21,673 --> 00:35:24,756 doesn't happen much at all, for obvious reasons, right? 781 00:35:24,839 --> 00:35:27,589 It's--if something happens, 782 00:35:27,673 --> 00:35:29,839 you want people who are professionals that are 783 00:35:29,923 --> 00:35:32,089 used to being in situations like that. 784 00:35:32,172 --> 00:35:35,047 - I was a little concerned, because I wanted to make sure 785 00:35:35,130 --> 00:35:38,798 that her safety and security was first and foremost. 786 00:35:38,881 --> 00:35:42,506 They said, "Rob, don't worry. She will be safe." 787 00:35:42,589 --> 00:35:44,631 ♪ ♪ 788 00:35:44,714 --> 00:35:47,464 - We really didn't know how far we would have to go 789 00:35:47,547 --> 00:35:49,673 to help the FBI get evidence, 790 00:35:49,756 --> 00:35:52,422 and yes, there were nerves involved, 791 00:35:52,506 --> 00:35:54,756 and I was nervous. 792 00:35:54,839 --> 00:35:56,172 But I was all-in. 793 00:35:56,255 --> 00:35:59,130 You know, I wanted to make it right as fast as possible. 794 00:35:59,214 --> 00:36:03,255 So I would be talking to the FBI sometimes every day, 795 00:36:03,339 --> 00:36:04,631 sometimes twice a day. 796 00:36:04,714 --> 00:36:07,339 People were intrigued, like, "What's this special project?" 797 00:36:07,422 --> 00:36:09,547 I just couldn't talk about this, not to my family, 798 00:36:09,631 --> 00:36:12,255 not to my closest friends, 799 00:36:12,339 --> 00:36:14,089 not even to coworkers. 800 00:36:15,547 --> 00:36:17,172 - We told a couple people 801 00:36:17,255 --> 00:36:19,214 in McDonald's and then our team; that's it. 802 00:36:19,297 --> 00:36:21,589 'Cause we still didn't know, you gotta remember-- 803 00:36:21,673 --> 00:36:24,089 like, this investigation-- we still didn't know 804 00:36:24,172 --> 00:36:26,547 if anybody was infected 805 00:36:26,631 --> 00:36:28,839 through corporate, right, or who. 806 00:36:28,923 --> 00:36:31,673 - So we set up a time for 807 00:36:31,756 --> 00:36:34,714 Shamrock Productions to go up 808 00:36:34,798 --> 00:36:37,255 and visit Mr. Hoover. 809 00:36:38,422 --> 00:36:41,381 - He had already been in contact with Amy, 810 00:36:41,464 --> 00:36:44,923 and he was very amenable to us coming by to film 811 00:36:45,005 --> 00:36:47,714 this commercial that we were putting together. 812 00:36:47,798 --> 00:36:50,297 - I'll never forget showing up at an airport, 813 00:36:50,381 --> 00:36:53,673 and a white van pulled up with all of the FBI agents 814 00:36:53,756 --> 00:36:56,464 and, you know, they're like, you know, "Hi, Amy." 815 00:36:56,547 --> 00:36:58,172 And I was introduced to all of them. 816 00:36:58,255 --> 00:36:59,756 You know, I really had to talk to Doug about, 817 00:36:59,839 --> 00:37:01,506 "This is what a producer would do; 818 00:37:01,589 --> 00:37:03,214 this is what the cameraman would do." 819 00:37:03,297 --> 00:37:05,172 And I was just playing myself. 820 00:37:06,714 --> 00:37:08,589 - So the first time we're going out there, 821 00:37:08,673 --> 00:37:10,214 I think I had, like, a golf shirt on. 822 00:37:10,297 --> 00:37:12,381 I looked like maybe I'd played nine holes 823 00:37:12,464 --> 00:37:13,964 or something like that. 824 00:37:14,047 --> 00:37:16,005 That's what Amy told me what a director looks like-- 825 00:37:16,089 --> 00:37:18,589 looks like somebody that's just come off the golf course. 826 00:37:18,673 --> 00:37:20,964 [laughs] So I'm excited, right? 827 00:37:21,047 --> 00:37:24,714 But I have a lot of apprehension as well. 828 00:37:24,798 --> 00:37:25,923 It's the first one. 829 00:37:26,005 --> 00:37:27,839 You want it to be seamless, 830 00:37:27,923 --> 00:37:30,214 and you don't know what to expect. 831 00:37:30,297 --> 00:37:33,172 - As an agent, you know, you wanna carry a gun 832 00:37:33,255 --> 00:37:35,214 and wear a bulletproof vest. 833 00:37:35,297 --> 00:37:37,589 But in a situation like this, an undercover operation, 834 00:37:37,673 --> 00:37:39,255 that may be too much risk. 835 00:37:39,339 --> 00:37:41,839 You can wear an ankle holster and then, you know, 836 00:37:41,923 --> 00:37:43,130 and then you sit down in a chair, 837 00:37:43,214 --> 00:37:44,881 and somebody sees it, so... 838 00:37:44,964 --> 00:37:48,631 - You had that little extra antenna going up to make sure 839 00:37:48,714 --> 00:37:51,673 you don't say anything or do anything 840 00:37:51,756 --> 00:37:54,172 that would trigger their suspect to look at you 841 00:37:54,255 --> 00:37:56,714 crossways and go, "Oh, hmm..." 842 00:37:57,881 --> 00:37:59,506 - I had butterflies in my stomach. 843 00:37:59,589 --> 00:38:02,881 I was nervous about not wrecking the investigation. 844 00:38:02,964 --> 00:38:05,422 You know, I really wanted to make sure I did a good job, 845 00:38:05,506 --> 00:38:07,964 that I wasn't causing any suspicion. 846 00:38:08,047 --> 00:38:11,172 It's an adrenaline that happens through your system. 847 00:38:11,255 --> 00:38:14,297 You know, you feel fully awake and alive. 848 00:38:14,381 --> 00:38:15,297 ♪ ♪ 849 00:38:15,381 --> 00:38:17,547 - She was very nervous, and I'm like, 850 00:38:17,631 --> 00:38:19,130 "You talk to these people all the time, right?" 851 00:38:19,214 --> 00:38:20,839 "Well, yeah, but not like this." 852 00:38:20,923 --> 00:38:22,589 And I go, "There's not like this. 853 00:38:22,673 --> 00:38:25,297 "You don't know anything about our investigation. 854 00:38:25,381 --> 00:38:27,297 They don't either, so forget about that." 855 00:38:27,381 --> 00:38:28,631 She's laughing, like, 856 00:38:28,714 --> 00:38:30,547 "How am I supposed to forget about that?", right? 857 00:38:30,631 --> 00:38:32,130 And I said, "You got to forget about that 858 00:38:32,214 --> 00:38:34,673 and just do what you normally do." 859 00:38:35,589 --> 00:38:37,464 "We're very close to the exit. We know where it is. 860 00:38:37,547 --> 00:38:39,798 "Just stay as close as you can 861 00:38:39,881 --> 00:38:41,881 'cause I don't know what to expect." 862 00:38:41,964 --> 00:38:45,130 - Any civilian that you bring in, you're gonna tell them, 863 00:38:45,214 --> 00:38:48,214 "We have a team. There's always a team outside. 864 00:38:48,297 --> 00:38:50,756 ♪ ♪ 865 00:38:50,839 --> 00:38:53,923 "If anything happens, they'll be there immediately 866 00:38:54,005 --> 00:38:56,464 to make sure you're safe and secure." 867 00:38:56,547 --> 00:38:59,297 - We have distress calls, things like that. 868 00:38:59,381 --> 00:39:02,756 So if the undercover agent says a certain word, you know, 869 00:39:02,839 --> 00:39:05,255 "I feel like a terrible flu is coming on," 870 00:39:05,339 --> 00:39:07,297 something's really gone wrong; we got a problem. 871 00:39:07,381 --> 00:39:08,881 [knocking] 872 00:39:08,964 --> 00:39:12,297 - And so they went to his home. 873 00:39:12,381 --> 00:39:15,005 They came in... 874 00:39:15,089 --> 00:39:18,506 and so you have the FBI agents, unbeknownst to Mr. Hoover, 875 00:39:18,589 --> 00:39:20,673 with the cameras on their shoulder. 876 00:39:20,756 --> 00:39:23,089 - If we were set up to record 877 00:39:23,172 --> 00:39:26,506 pretty much anything, we would hit the record button. 878 00:39:26,589 --> 00:39:28,464 You never know what you're gonna capture. 879 00:39:28,547 --> 00:39:31,339 Always gold when they don't know it. 880 00:39:31,422 --> 00:39:34,214 - The greatest thing in the world about all this 881 00:39:34,297 --> 00:39:35,506 is what? 882 00:39:35,589 --> 00:39:37,214 We had a camera rolling. 883 00:39:37,297 --> 00:39:41,506 ♪ ♪ 884 00:39:41,589 --> 00:39:44,172 [indistinct chatter] 885 00:39:44,255 --> 00:39:45,547 - [laughs] - What was that? 886 00:39:45,631 --> 00:39:46,714 - You think you could take that 887 00:39:46,798 --> 00:39:48,005 to your local bank to cash? 888 00:39:48,089 --> 00:39:50,381 - I doubt it. [laughs] I doubt it. 889 00:39:50,464 --> 00:39:51,923 - [indistinct] We'll do this at the end. 890 00:39:52,005 --> 00:39:54,756 - Amy, she, you know, worked her McDonald's magic, 891 00:39:54,839 --> 00:39:58,923 and she had all this confetti popper stuff 892 00:39:59,005 --> 00:40:00,839 and the big check. 893 00:40:00,923 --> 00:40:02,881 We never know whenever we get a call from Amy 894 00:40:02,964 --> 00:40:05,255 sort of where we're gonna-- it's always good to find out 895 00:40:05,339 --> 00:40:08,005 where she always takes us to a different area. 896 00:40:08,089 --> 00:40:09,381 - A good surprise. 897 00:40:09,464 --> 00:40:11,756 - Yeah, that's definitely childproof. 898 00:40:11,839 --> 00:40:13,839 - [laughs] - I mean, it's big check. 899 00:40:13,923 --> 00:40:16,464 I think it was taller than her, actually. 900 00:40:17,631 --> 00:40:20,130 - Everything had to seem very natural. 901 00:40:20,214 --> 00:40:23,130 It had to seem like we had done this a million times. 902 00:40:23,214 --> 00:40:25,422 We made sure that I always called Doug, "Doug" 903 00:40:25,506 --> 00:40:27,089 and not "Agent Mathews," 904 00:40:27,172 --> 00:40:28,673 because it would have been really bad if suddenly 905 00:40:28,756 --> 00:40:31,172 I was like, "Uh, Agent Mathews, can you go do this?" 906 00:40:31,255 --> 00:40:34,547 - Amy was really nervous, the whole time. 907 00:40:34,631 --> 00:40:37,089 [laughs] So--which was good. 908 00:40:37,172 --> 00:40:38,589 It was healthy to be that way, 909 00:40:38,673 --> 00:40:41,089 'cause I told her I was too, and I wasn't--you know, 910 00:40:41,172 --> 00:40:42,089 I wasn't lying to her. 911 00:40:42,172 --> 00:40:44,255 She's used to this; I'm not. 912 00:40:44,339 --> 00:40:46,422 Even though I said, "Oh, I got this," right? 913 00:40:46,506 --> 00:40:50,047 She had no idea that I had never done this before, 914 00:40:50,130 --> 00:40:51,089 but I loved it. 915 00:40:51,172 --> 00:40:53,130 - There's Mr. Monopoly. - There he is! 916 00:40:53,214 --> 00:40:55,464 All right. - It's gotta be sinking in now. 917 00:40:55,547 --> 00:40:57,255 - Now it's official, Ronald McDonald, 918 00:40:57,339 --> 00:40:59,547 the official signature. 919 00:40:59,631 --> 00:41:04,214 - Doug Mathews could talk to a wall and get it to respond. 920 00:41:04,297 --> 00:41:06,714 You know, he's got that little bit of a Southern drawl 921 00:41:06,798 --> 00:41:08,422 and everybody sort of likes him. 922 00:41:08,506 --> 00:41:10,964 He's the, "Oh, gosh darn, you won." 923 00:41:11,714 --> 00:41:13,339 - There was no risk that somebody's gonna think, 924 00:41:13,422 --> 00:41:15,047 "Well, this guy is an FBI agent, 925 00:41:15,130 --> 00:41:16,798 and this is an undercover operation." 926 00:41:16,881 --> 00:41:18,964 I mean, nobody-- [laughs] 927 00:41:19,047 --> 00:41:22,130 no FBI agent laughs as much as this guy does. 928 00:41:22,214 --> 00:41:24,547 - I go, "Wow, this really looks like there's-- 929 00:41:24,631 --> 00:41:26,547 it's had a woman's touch here." 930 00:41:26,631 --> 00:41:29,964 I mean, it was all this plaid--just, this shit. 931 00:41:30,047 --> 00:41:32,798 [laughs] Which is probably why I did it. 932 00:41:32,881 --> 00:41:34,839 [laughing] 933 00:41:34,923 --> 00:41:36,881 And, you know, I said all kinds of stuff, I was-- 934 00:41:36,964 --> 00:41:40,005 again, I was trying to, you know, move this out, 935 00:41:40,089 --> 00:41:41,631 make everybody seem real comfortable 936 00:41:41,714 --> 00:41:44,130 with uncomfortable things, which is what I'm good at. 937 00:41:44,214 --> 00:41:47,381 ♪ ♪ 938 00:41:47,464 --> 00:41:49,506 - Tell us the story about how you won 939 00:41:49,589 --> 00:41:51,172 at the Monopoly game, everything like that, 940 00:41:51,255 --> 00:41:52,214 in your own words. 941 00:41:52,297 --> 00:41:53,339 - Okay. 942 00:41:53,422 --> 00:41:55,172 Um... 943 00:41:55,255 --> 00:41:56,631 day started out pretty peaceful. 944 00:41:56,714 --> 00:41:57,631 It was a day off, 945 00:41:57,714 --> 00:41:59,881 and I went to the beach for a while. 946 00:41:59,964 --> 00:42:03,381 I ended up actually falling asleep at the beach. 947 00:42:03,464 --> 00:42:06,422 And when I woke up, the wind had come up 948 00:42:06,506 --> 00:42:08,422 and I was covered with sand-- 949 00:42:08,506 --> 00:42:10,005 not a lot, but a little bit of sand-- 950 00:42:10,089 --> 00:42:13,005 and I picked up my belongings, and I headed down 951 00:42:13,089 --> 00:42:15,339 to the water there to kind of wash my legs off 952 00:42:15,422 --> 00:42:18,506 with the sand, and I was a little klutzy. 953 00:42:18,589 --> 00:42:20,923 The "People" magazine... [clears throat] 954 00:42:21,005 --> 00:42:23,798 and my towel fell out of the backpack, 955 00:42:23,881 --> 00:42:26,631 fell into the water, and got all wet. 956 00:42:26,714 --> 00:42:29,673 I ended up, uh... throwing those away 957 00:42:29,756 --> 00:42:31,255 on the way to the car, 958 00:42:31,339 --> 00:42:33,214 and then after... 959 00:42:33,297 --> 00:42:35,255 I was coming home, I decided to stop and get 960 00:42:35,339 --> 00:42:37,381 provisions for dinner. 961 00:42:37,464 --> 00:42:40,756 So I stopped at the McQuade's Supermarket 962 00:42:40,839 --> 00:42:42,547 and picked up a few things, 963 00:42:42,631 --> 00:42:44,964 and I had never got a chance to read the magazine. 964 00:42:45,047 --> 00:42:46,839 And they--there it was right there 965 00:42:46,923 --> 00:42:48,923 at the checkout stand, so I bought one. 966 00:42:49,005 --> 00:42:50,923 And when I got home, I was leafing through it, 967 00:42:51,005 --> 00:42:54,798 and we had the McDonald's Monopoly game, 968 00:42:54,881 --> 00:42:57,631 and it had instant prize winners on it-- 969 00:42:57,714 --> 00:42:59,923 or they had the quick pick, whatever you call 'em. 970 00:43:00,005 --> 00:43:01,631 I don't know what they're called. 971 00:43:01,714 --> 00:43:04,547 Uh, and the first one I peeled off, I believe, 972 00:43:04,631 --> 00:43:05,839 was Pennsylvania Avenue. 973 00:43:05,923 --> 00:43:07,589 And the second one I peeled off 974 00:43:07,673 --> 00:43:09,339 was a million-dollar instant prize winner, 975 00:43:09,422 --> 00:43:12,255 and it was like, "Wow, is this for real?" 976 00:43:12,339 --> 00:43:15,339 And then I, uh... followed the directions 977 00:43:15,422 --> 00:43:19,172 and made the calls and talked to the people, and, uh... 978 00:43:19,255 --> 00:43:20,547 it was for real. 979 00:43:20,631 --> 00:43:22,339 - Amy's just used to getting the story. 980 00:43:22,422 --> 00:43:23,923 But for me, I'm putting legs to that. 981 00:43:24,005 --> 00:43:28,089 And he was mentioning some grocery story, and so I go, 982 00:43:28,172 --> 00:43:30,756 "Which one? Is it right here?" 983 00:43:30,839 --> 00:43:32,214 "Hey, can you take us there?" 984 00:43:32,297 --> 00:43:33,631 He goes, "Sure." 985 00:43:33,714 --> 00:43:35,464 You know, he's feeding off the energy part. 986 00:43:35,547 --> 00:43:37,422 No, I wasn't about to stop that. 987 00:43:37,506 --> 00:43:39,964 That was great. It's a field trip, right? 988 00:43:40,047 --> 00:43:41,923 [engine revving] 989 00:43:42,005 --> 00:43:44,047 I'm getting calls, "The fuck are you doing?" 990 00:43:44,130 --> 00:43:46,214 "I mean, why are you--what?" This is, like, 991 00:43:46,297 --> 00:43:49,255 "Are you adlibbing?" And I'd go, "Hey, Jan." 992 00:43:49,339 --> 00:43:50,631 My camera guy, right? 993 00:43:50,714 --> 00:43:51,589 Can you get this?" 994 00:43:51,673 --> 00:43:53,089 "Yeah, I can get it." 995 00:43:53,172 --> 00:43:54,673 [tires screech] 996 00:43:56,172 --> 00:43:59,422 - Doug struck me as one of the new breed of agents 997 00:43:59,506 --> 00:44:02,339 who thinks outside the box, if you will. 998 00:44:02,422 --> 00:44:05,923 But he was gung-ho from the get-go. 999 00:44:07,631 --> 00:44:10,673 - This is where I got the, uh, "People" magazine. 1000 00:44:10,756 --> 00:44:13,964 And inside we had the Monopoly game 1001 00:44:14,047 --> 00:44:16,255 with the instant $1 million winner, 1002 00:44:16,339 --> 00:44:20,089 and it was great; it's fantastic! 1003 00:44:20,172 --> 00:44:21,506 - Great! - Got it, okay. 1004 00:44:21,589 --> 00:44:24,798 - He's telling us how he won the prize, all the BS. 1005 00:44:24,881 --> 00:44:26,964 His was a magazine-type thing which, at the time 1006 00:44:27,047 --> 00:44:28,839 I didn't even know. I'm looking over, I go, 1007 00:44:28,923 --> 00:44:31,464 "Really? I thought you got this off the packages." 1008 00:44:31,547 --> 00:44:33,547 - And Amy's like, "Did you read any of that 1009 00:44:33,631 --> 00:44:34,714 shit I sent you?" 1010 00:44:34,798 --> 00:44:37,589 Right, and I go, "Of course I did." 1011 00:44:37,673 --> 00:44:39,339 Which I may have glossed over. 1012 00:44:39,422 --> 00:44:41,756 So I go, "Hey, what'd you do with the money?" 1013 00:44:41,839 --> 00:44:43,506 Why? Because I want to go 1014 00:44:43,589 --> 00:44:45,005 seize that stuff, right? 1015 00:44:45,089 --> 00:44:47,255 And he's like, "I'm buying a boat." 1016 00:44:47,339 --> 00:44:48,839 And so I go, "What name 1017 00:44:48,923 --> 00:44:50,381 would you have on the back of your boat?" 1018 00:44:50,464 --> 00:44:53,881 And he was like, "Ruthless Scoundrel." 1019 00:44:53,964 --> 00:44:55,047 - One, two, three! 1020 00:44:55,130 --> 00:44:56,839 - Thanks, McDonald's. 1021 00:44:56,923 --> 00:44:59,589 Hey! [laughs] 1022 00:45:00,673 --> 00:45:03,005 - So I'm reenacting that, right, and I go, 1023 00:45:03,089 --> 00:45:05,297 "So, Michael, you were on the beach?" 1024 00:45:05,381 --> 00:45:07,464 "Yes, and it's right here. It's this beach." 1025 00:45:07,547 --> 00:45:10,005 And I go, "Really? Take us to it." 1026 00:45:10,089 --> 00:45:13,005 And I didn't care what that meant to my camera guy, right? 1027 00:45:13,089 --> 00:45:15,589 He's like, "Are you--fuck, are you kidding me? 1028 00:45:15,673 --> 00:45:17,964 I gotta--the damn beach?" 1029 00:45:18,047 --> 00:45:19,881 - There's always somebody 1030 00:45:19,964 --> 00:45:22,714 that could respond tactically, if needed. 1031 00:45:22,798 --> 00:45:25,964 But if something went south, 1032 00:45:26,047 --> 00:45:28,297 between the time something went south 1033 00:45:28,381 --> 00:45:30,005 and the time they got there... 1034 00:45:30,089 --> 00:45:33,047 [dramatic music] 1035 00:45:33,130 --> 00:45:35,130 ♪ ♪ 1036 00:45:35,214 --> 00:45:37,798 Don't do anything stupid. 1037 00:45:37,881 --> 00:45:39,339 ♪ ♪ 1038 00:45:39,422 --> 00:45:41,506 - Doug, you know, he was a professional, 1039 00:45:41,589 --> 00:45:43,297 but he also did like to have fun. 1040 00:45:43,381 --> 00:45:45,547 So he loved to tease me 1041 00:45:45,631 --> 00:45:47,339 and kept me on my toes. 1042 00:45:47,422 --> 00:45:49,214 - This is what makes my fun meter go. 1043 00:45:49,297 --> 00:45:51,297 Amy's back there going, "Look at these shoes I have," 1044 00:45:51,381 --> 00:45:53,005 and I'm not looking at shit like that. 1045 00:45:53,089 --> 00:45:54,714 I mean, "Take your high heels-- why are you wearing 1046 00:45:54,798 --> 00:45:55,673 high heels anyway?" 1047 00:45:55,756 --> 00:45:56,756 And she's like, "Are you--" 1048 00:45:56,839 --> 00:45:59,172 you know, she was getting on to me about, 1049 00:45:59,255 --> 00:46:01,047 "Hey, can you plan this better?" 1050 00:46:01,130 --> 00:46:02,130 But I didn't know. 1051 00:46:02,214 --> 00:46:03,506 - Can you get enough sound 1052 00:46:03,589 --> 00:46:05,005 if he tells the story one more time? 1053 00:46:05,089 --> 00:46:06,464 - You need it? 1054 00:46:06,547 --> 00:46:08,172 We could try it. - Okay. 1055 00:46:08,255 --> 00:46:10,839 - [chuckles] - Anybody noticing you yet? 1056 00:46:10,923 --> 00:46:12,255 - Not really. 1057 00:46:12,339 --> 00:46:14,005 - Good. 1058 00:46:16,798 --> 00:46:18,172 - When Doug's at the house, 1059 00:46:18,255 --> 00:46:20,047 it was a controlled environment. 1060 00:46:20,130 --> 00:46:21,673 When you're out in the real world, 1061 00:46:21,756 --> 00:46:23,255 there's nothing controlled. 1062 00:46:23,339 --> 00:46:25,047 You're always a little worried 1063 00:46:25,130 --> 00:46:28,881 the operation and the case could be compromised. 1064 00:46:28,964 --> 00:46:31,964 - Uh, this is where I lost my "People" magazine. 1065 00:46:32,047 --> 00:46:34,130 I'm glad that after the beach I stopped 1066 00:46:34,214 --> 00:46:36,255 and picked up another one because when I did, 1067 00:46:36,339 --> 00:46:39,005 I found the McDonald's Monopoly Game, 1068 00:46:39,089 --> 00:46:41,673 $1 million instant prize winner. 1069 00:46:41,756 --> 00:46:43,547 - Great. Okay, good. 1070 00:46:43,631 --> 00:46:46,130 - Obviously, you know, this was Doug's very first 1071 00:46:46,214 --> 00:46:49,631 undercover, and so you'd wanna try to keep him 1072 00:46:49,714 --> 00:46:53,297 under control, keep him sedated, 1073 00:46:53,381 --> 00:46:54,464 so to speak. 1074 00:46:54,547 --> 00:46:56,172 They don't make it easy. 1075 00:46:56,255 --> 00:46:58,297 - So I'm like, "Man, I got plenty. 1076 00:46:58,381 --> 00:46:59,464 I got enough." 1077 00:46:59,547 --> 00:47:01,339 - Can I do a couple of artsy things, 1078 00:47:01,422 --> 00:47:03,881 okay, real quick? 1079 00:47:03,964 --> 00:47:06,172 - Hey. [laughs] 1080 00:47:06,255 --> 00:47:08,130 - You know, he'd stand there smiling, and you know, 1081 00:47:08,214 --> 00:47:09,631 you're doing all this artsy stuff, 1082 00:47:09,714 --> 00:47:13,923 and then some kid ran up and grabbed the check. 1083 00:47:14,005 --> 00:47:16,005 To run away with it. 1084 00:47:16,756 --> 00:47:19,339 - Like, I'm gonna let this evidence just walk? 1085 00:47:19,422 --> 00:47:20,297 No way. 1086 00:47:20,381 --> 00:47:22,255 And I'm trucking down the beach... 1087 00:47:22,339 --> 00:47:25,673 - And it's like, "Dude, it's not real." 1088 00:47:25,756 --> 00:47:26,673 - It was bad news. 1089 00:47:26,756 --> 00:47:29,130 That's not a good problem to have, 1090 00:47:29,214 --> 00:47:30,339 being an undercover agent. 1091 00:47:30,422 --> 00:47:32,339 - And this guy is hammered. 1092 00:47:32,422 --> 00:47:33,631 Fortunately, he's running, like, 1093 00:47:33,714 --> 00:47:36,881 in a zigzag, so it's easy to catch. 1094 00:47:36,964 --> 00:47:39,673 This kid, he was, like, full of sand in his mouth 1095 00:47:39,756 --> 00:47:42,130 and crap and I'm like, "Dude..." 1096 00:47:42,214 --> 00:47:43,673 [stammers] 1097 00:47:43,756 --> 00:47:45,673 "I don't know what I'm gonna do with all this sand." 1098 00:47:45,756 --> 00:47:49,339 And he's like, "Man, I just saw, like, 1099 00:47:49,422 --> 00:47:52,839 "all those zeros and thought... 1100 00:47:52,923 --> 00:47:54,172 I'm just gonna go take it." 1101 00:47:54,255 --> 00:47:55,964 And I can't even remember where he wandered off, 1102 00:47:56,047 --> 00:47:58,756 but he was out of there; we never saw him again. 1103 00:47:58,839 --> 00:48:00,339 [bombastic music] 1104 00:48:00,422 --> 00:48:02,297 - Sometimes on a case, 1105 00:48:02,381 --> 00:48:04,923 being lucky is better than being good. 1106 00:48:05,005 --> 00:48:08,714 - No Asics, no nothing, and we still caught that dude, 1107 00:48:08,798 --> 00:48:11,047 of course, he was hammered, and we were not. 1108 00:48:11,130 --> 00:48:13,339 And we did get the check back. 1109 00:48:13,422 --> 00:48:18,547 ♪ ♪ 1110 00:48:18,631 --> 00:48:20,756 [engine turns over] 1111 00:48:21,673 --> 00:48:24,673 It worked great. Amy was phenomenal. 1112 00:48:24,756 --> 00:48:29,130 And I'm like, "Man, undercover is awesome." 1113 00:48:29,214 --> 00:48:31,422 [laughing] 1114 00:48:33,589 --> 00:48:36,464 Turned out it really tickled our wire up. 1115 00:48:36,547 --> 00:48:39,339 Michael Hoover would be on the phones 1116 00:48:39,422 --> 00:48:40,631 which is great, because then we were listening 1117 00:48:40,714 --> 00:48:41,923 to that and recording it. 1118 00:48:42,005 --> 00:48:43,714 You know, again, it got him comfortable. 1119 00:48:43,798 --> 00:48:45,839 It actually worked. You know, all that works. 1120 00:48:45,964 --> 00:48:48,673 [dramatic music] 1121 00:48:48,756 --> 00:48:50,130 ♪ ♪ 1122 00:48:50,214 --> 00:48:52,422 - At that time, I was here in Jacksonville 1123 00:48:52,506 --> 00:48:54,756 in the-- what we call wire room. 1124 00:48:54,839 --> 00:48:57,631 We were listening in for what we hoped to be 1125 00:48:57,714 --> 00:49:01,589 a telephone call to this Uncle Jerry. 1126 00:49:01,673 --> 00:49:04,631 And immediately there's a phone call 1127 00:49:04,714 --> 00:49:07,839 by Mr. Hoover to Mr. Glomb down in South Florida. 1128 00:49:07,923 --> 00:49:09,756 ♪ ♪ 1129 00:49:09,839 --> 00:49:11,923 - We were up on three or four phones. 1130 00:49:12,005 --> 00:49:14,839 One was this guy, Andrew Glomb. 1131 00:49:14,923 --> 00:49:18,923 I mean, Andrew Glomb was the guy with a checkered past. 1132 00:49:19,005 --> 00:49:21,297 He had previously convicted for some drug charges 1133 00:49:21,381 --> 00:49:23,589 on the federal side with the DEA. 1134 00:49:23,673 --> 00:49:24,673 ♪ ♪ 1135 00:49:24,756 --> 00:49:26,506 - He had been in a drug trafficking thing. 1136 00:49:26,589 --> 00:49:29,381 He was a fugitive for a while, eventually got arrested, 1137 00:49:29,464 --> 00:49:32,297 and he did some time. 1138 00:49:32,381 --> 00:49:35,798 And so, Mr. Hoover had called Mr. Glomb. 1139 00:49:35,881 --> 00:49:38,214 - Ring, ring. Ring, ring. 1140 00:49:38,297 --> 00:49:40,923 "Hello?" "Yeah, Andy." 1141 00:49:41,005 --> 00:49:42,381 That's Andy Glomb. 1142 00:49:42,464 --> 00:49:45,339 "Andy, they were here. They believed everything. 1143 00:49:45,422 --> 00:49:47,964 "Everything I told them about the winning the ticket 1144 00:49:48,047 --> 00:49:50,130 on that 'People' magazine." 1145 00:49:50,214 --> 00:49:52,964 - "And I was telling them, 'I did this, and I did that.'" 1146 00:49:53,047 --> 00:49:56,172 And at the very same time, I'm on my cell phone 1147 00:49:56,255 --> 00:49:58,297 talking to Doug Mathews 1148 00:49:58,381 --> 00:50:00,422 and telling him, "Listen to this." 1149 00:50:00,506 --> 00:50:01,798 ♪ ♪ 1150 00:50:01,881 --> 00:50:04,464 - The feeling from him on the phone call was, 1151 00:50:04,547 --> 00:50:06,631 "Man, I got them snowed, they bel--" 1152 00:50:06,714 --> 00:50:07,964 you know, it was that-- it was that-- 1153 00:50:08,047 --> 00:50:09,673 I mean, it was perfect. 1154 00:50:09,756 --> 00:50:11,798 It's exactly what you're after. 1155 00:50:11,881 --> 00:50:13,673 He's talking, "Man, you're not gonna believe it. 1156 00:50:13,756 --> 00:50:16,673 "This director asked about the name of my boat 1157 00:50:16,756 --> 00:50:18,839 and I said, 'Ruthless Scoundrel.'" 1158 00:50:18,923 --> 00:50:20,506 And they're just laughing on the phone, 1159 00:50:20,589 --> 00:50:23,964 how much--how funny that was to them because they knew 1160 00:50:24,047 --> 00:50:27,714 they had lied and had stolen this money from McDonald's. 1161 00:50:27,798 --> 00:50:31,547 - In that call, effectively what he's doing is confirming 1162 00:50:31,631 --> 00:50:35,673 beyond any doubt that, you know, he didn't win it. 1163 00:50:35,756 --> 00:50:38,506 ♪ ♪ 1164 00:50:38,589 --> 00:50:40,839 - It just doesn't get any better than that. 1165 00:50:40,923 --> 00:50:42,506 It's like high fives. 1166 00:50:42,589 --> 00:50:45,464 - That was why you get up on these wiretaps. 1167 00:50:45,547 --> 00:50:47,422 So we're hearing how they did it. 1168 00:50:47,506 --> 00:50:50,673 ♪ ♪ 1169 00:50:50,756 --> 00:50:54,381 At the time, we didn't know how big this was. 1170 00:50:54,464 --> 00:50:56,798 We knew of some, but we didn't know it all. 1171 00:50:56,881 --> 00:51:00,923 It was amazing to me how little we did know. 1172 00:51:01,005 --> 00:51:03,673 [phones ringing] 1173 00:51:03,756 --> 00:51:10,798 ♪ ♪ 1174 00:51:15,297 --> 00:51:19,089 The spider web of all-- like, we had this Uncle Jerry. 1175 00:51:19,172 --> 00:51:21,673 Everything was very general, nebulous. 1176 00:51:21,756 --> 00:51:24,047 We still didn't know, you got to remember, like, 1177 00:51:24,130 --> 00:51:27,172 we still didn't know who this Jerry person was, 1178 00:51:27,255 --> 00:51:28,881 if there even was a Jerry. 1179 00:51:28,964 --> 00:51:32,047 So all of the newer agents, we were on the wiretaps 1180 00:51:32,130 --> 00:51:35,714 to find out more about the depths of this scheme. 1181 00:51:35,798 --> 00:51:37,673 - Back then I was a new agent, 1182 00:51:37,756 --> 00:51:40,547 and my first assignment when I was brought in 1183 00:51:40,631 --> 00:51:42,798 was to work the wire. 1184 00:51:43,964 --> 00:51:47,214 The Title III has to be monitored full-time, 24/7. 1185 00:51:47,297 --> 00:51:48,923 You hear the phone call, you grab your headset, 1186 00:51:49,005 --> 00:51:51,506 you put it on, you listen to the call. 1187 00:51:51,589 --> 00:51:53,297 - We're listening in the wire room 1188 00:51:53,381 --> 00:51:55,881 and I'm hearing, you know, the name Uncle Jerry 1189 00:51:55,964 --> 00:51:58,214 thrown around on the phone. 1190 00:51:58,297 --> 00:51:59,881 "Uncle Jerry, Uncle Jerry. 1191 00:51:59,964 --> 00:52:03,756 You don't wanna make Uncle Jerry upset." 1192 00:52:03,839 --> 00:52:06,756 - Well, I do remember clearly feeling like 1193 00:52:06,839 --> 00:52:09,547 I was in New York and I was listening to a mobster 1194 00:52:09,631 --> 00:52:11,923 talking about running his mafia empire, 1195 00:52:12,005 --> 00:52:15,506 some mafia don, 'cause that's kind of how this guy came off. 1196 00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:17,631 ♪ ♪ 1197 00:52:17,714 --> 00:52:19,964 - So we had to find Uncle Jerry. 1198 00:52:20,047 --> 00:52:22,172 I mean, how do you do that? 1199 00:52:22,255 --> 00:52:28,089 ♪ ♪ 1200 00:52:28,172 --> 00:52:30,297 - We did an analysis 1201 00:52:30,381 --> 00:52:33,881 of phone records from past winners. 1202 00:52:33,964 --> 00:52:36,798 You look for that common number. 1203 00:52:36,881 --> 00:52:38,923 - We knew when they won the prizes, what year, 1204 00:52:39,005 --> 00:52:42,798 and we could probably cord it off to a month, so I think-- 1205 00:52:42,881 --> 00:52:45,631 I think we backed up two and went forward two. 1206 00:52:45,714 --> 00:52:48,130 ♪ ♪ 1207 00:52:48,214 --> 00:52:52,130 And we went and pulled the phone numbers coming in 1208 00:52:52,214 --> 00:52:55,381 and going out for this period of time. 1209 00:52:55,464 --> 00:52:58,923 ♪ ♪ 1210 00:52:59,005 --> 00:53:01,506 - Lo and behold, each of their phone numbers 1211 00:53:01,589 --> 00:53:03,673 were calling common numbers. 1212 00:53:03,756 --> 00:53:08,923 - We saw the activity heavy coming in right before 1213 00:53:09,005 --> 00:53:11,005 the prize was awarded or claimed, 1214 00:53:11,089 --> 00:53:13,589 and then heavy right after it, and then nothing. 1215 00:53:13,673 --> 00:53:15,214 And then none of them were related; 1216 00:53:15,297 --> 00:53:17,172 they didn't know each other. 1217 00:53:17,255 --> 00:53:19,839 All were hitting that number. 1218 00:53:19,923 --> 00:53:26,673 ♪ ♪ 1219 00:53:26,756 --> 00:53:30,673 - All these phone calls include one person... 1220 00:53:30,756 --> 00:53:32,255 ♪ ♪ 1221 00:53:32,339 --> 00:53:34,631 Jerome Jacobson. 1222 00:53:34,714 --> 00:53:36,714 Also known as... 1223 00:53:36,798 --> 00:53:38,214 Jerry Jacobson. 1224 00:53:38,297 --> 00:53:42,631 The absolute head of security for Simon Marketing. 1225 00:53:42,714 --> 00:53:45,964 ♪ ♪ 1226 00:53:46,047 --> 00:53:49,005 [funky music] 1227 00:53:49,089 --> 00:53:56,130 ♪ ♪ 1228 00:54:36,089 --> 00:54:38,297 [bright tone] 1229 00:54:40,506 --> 00:54:42,923 There was a wide net of individuals who were willing 1230 00:54:43,005 --> 00:54:45,089 to participate in this fraud scheme. 1231 00:54:45,172 --> 00:54:46,172 ♪ (UPBEAT JAZZ MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 1232 00:54:46,255 --> 00:54:49,130 WOMAN: It got really big, really fast. 1233 00:54:49,673 --> 00:54:51,798 There was one nagging question mark... 1234 00:54:53,506 --> 00:54:54,756 Who is Uncle Jerry? 1235 00:54:55,172 --> 00:54:56,005 (CASH REGISTER DINGS) 1236 00:54:56,214 --> 00:54:58,297 We were racking up incredible evidence 1237 00:54:58,381 --> 00:54:59,756 and discovering new people. 1238 00:55:00,798 --> 00:55:03,881 We found out that there was another Jerry involved in this. 1239 00:55:04,172 --> 00:55:06,172 MAN: He took this little, small operation, 1240 00:55:06,255 --> 00:55:07,756 and made it huge. 1241 00:55:08,881 --> 00:55:11,881 As soon as I got that check, things changed. 1242 00:55:12,923 --> 00:55:15,130 "You gonna ride with us, and you gonna do what we say. 1243 00:55:15,339 --> 00:55:16,464 And you gonna do it right." 1244 00:55:16,547 --> 00:55:19,881 I'm not a dumb person, but I did a dumb thing. 1245 00:55:20,214 --> 00:55:22,964 No one can stand in front of a mirror and say 1246 00:55:23,047 --> 00:55:24,673 they've never done something... 1247 00:55:25,214 --> 00:55:27,089 that they wish they could take back. 1248 00:55:27,714 --> 00:55:30,214 I'mma lay all my cards on the table and tell everything. 1249 00:55:30,881 --> 00:55:34,422 MAN 2: We were just building the puzzle from all the pieces. 1250 00:55:34,506 --> 00:55:35,339 (POLICE SIREN BLARES) 1251 00:55:35,673 --> 00:55:37,130 MAN 3: We started finding other middle-men. 1252 00:55:37,214 --> 00:55:40,589 The money got too big to not take a bigger piece of that pie. 1253 00:55:41,130 --> 00:55:44,089 It could've been a possible hit to get him out of the situation. 1254 00:55:44,756 --> 00:55:46,964 WOMAN 2: A little teardrop came down my face. 1255 00:55:47,047 --> 00:55:49,589 I thought, "I'm never gonna get out of this." 1256 00:55:50,172 --> 00:55:51,172 (CASH REGISTER DINGS) 1257 00:55:51,255 --> 00:55:52,756 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 94820

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