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I want to get it back. 26 00:01:29,604 --> 00:01:31,688 ♪ 27 00:01:43,604 --> 00:01:45,396 Mark Vicente: Hmm. 28 00:01:45,479 --> 00:01:47,855 (Bonnie Piesse speaking) 29 00:02:24,062 --> 00:02:25,354 (Piesse sighs heavily) 30 00:02:28,646 --> 00:02:30,354 (voice breaking) 31 00:02:37,062 --> 00:02:39,771 ♪ 32 00:02:44,730 --> 00:02:46,771 ♪ 33 00:02:49,771 --> 00:02:52,021 ♪ Days we were young ♪ 34 00:02:52,104 --> 00:02:57,855 ♪ We took photographs of everything we could see ♪ 35 00:02:57,938 --> 00:03:01,187 ♪ We had to run from it ♪ 36 00:03:01,271 --> 00:03:03,271 ♪ Priest and prophetess ♪ 37 00:03:03,354 --> 00:03:08,146 ♪ We were nothing we would defy ♪ 38 00:03:09,146 --> 00:03:13,271 ♪ Oh, invisible skin ♪ 39 00:03:13,354 --> 00:03:16,604 ♪ Where is the world within ♪ 40 00:03:17,271 --> 00:03:19,396 ♪ Invincible skin ♪ 41 00:03:19,479 --> 00:03:22,396 ♪ It's how we all begin ♪ 42 00:03:34,980 --> 00:03:39,104 Bonnie Piesse: Okay, so I feel wounded right now. 43 00:03:39,187 --> 00:03:42,521 And I've been trying really hard to turn it around and stay positive, 44 00:03:42,604 --> 00:03:45,396 and, you know, trust that, 45 00:03:45,479 --> 00:03:47,438 that good always wins. 46 00:03:47,521 --> 00:03:50,479 That, that light wins over darkness. 47 00:03:51,354 --> 00:03:54,730 But Keith head-fucked us, 48 00:03:54,813 --> 00:03:58,813 the girls that were in that group, specifically, in a way that... 49 00:03:58,896 --> 00:04:01,855 I don't know that everyone got head-fucked like that. 50 00:04:03,062 --> 00:04:06,813 (voice breaking): So... So that's the daily struggle. 51 00:04:16,771 --> 00:04:17,771 Vicente: Huh. 52 00:04:17,855 --> 00:04:21,187 (Piesse speaking) 53 00:04:28,271 --> 00:04:30,187 -Vicente: Well... -Piesse: But, yeah. 54 00:04:41,730 --> 00:04:42,855 Vicente: Hmm. 55 00:05:42,688 --> 00:05:46,021 (group applauding) 56 00:05:46,104 --> 00:05:48,104 All: ♪ Happy birthday, Vanguard ♪ 57 00:05:48,187 --> 00:05:51,730 (indistinct chatter) 58 00:05:53,021 --> 00:05:54,730 Piesse: When I first met Keith, 59 00:05:54,813 --> 00:05:57,354 my gut feeling was like... 60 00:05:57,438 --> 00:06:00,855 Ew! You know, something's a bit gross. 61 00:06:00,938 --> 00:06:03,146 He would kiss you on the lips. 62 00:06:04,604 --> 00:06:07,187 That's just kind of what he did. 63 00:06:07,271 --> 00:06:09,438 And everyone else did it, as well. 64 00:06:11,312 --> 00:06:14,813 But at the same time, I had really enjoyed the five-day 65 00:06:14,896 --> 00:06:17,896 and was very moved and he was the creator of that, 66 00:06:17,980 --> 00:06:19,980 and so I need to like, let go of that, 67 00:06:20,062 --> 00:06:21,563 and just see what's right in front of me, 68 00:06:21,646 --> 00:06:23,771 which is a guy who's saying he wants to help me. 69 00:06:23,855 --> 00:06:27,396 If this guy's created all these things that are helping so many people, 70 00:06:27,479 --> 00:06:30,146 like, who cares about the kissing on the lips thing? 71 00:06:40,980 --> 00:06:43,271 (playing gentle piano music) 72 00:06:59,688 --> 00:07:01,187 Keith Raniere: Mm-hmm. 73 00:07:04,896 --> 00:07:08,229 (Piesse singing vocal exercise) 74 00:07:09,187 --> 00:07:10,771 (Raniere plays low note) 75 00:07:10,855 --> 00:07:14,813 (Piesse singing vocal exercise) 76 00:07:25,688 --> 00:07:29,438 Piesse: Keith said to me, you know, you could be in Simply Human, 77 00:07:29,521 --> 00:07:31,563 the singing group of ESP. 78 00:07:31,646 --> 00:07:36,104 That's when I started spending a lot of time with Allison Mack. 79 00:07:36,187 --> 00:07:40,646 Allison saw Keith as like a guru, a spiritual master, 80 00:07:40,730 --> 00:07:43,104 and she was very committed to the mission. 81 00:07:43,187 --> 00:07:46,021 Allison Mack: If we actually understood compassion, 82 00:07:46,104 --> 00:07:47,688 the world would be a much better place. 83 00:07:47,771 --> 00:07:51,521 Like, not even the world. Like .00 percent. 84 00:07:51,604 --> 00:07:54,062 Three percent of the world. If they could just have 85 00:07:54,146 --> 00:07:56,187 this little dose of love, 86 00:07:56,271 --> 00:07:58,021 everything would change. 87 00:07:58,104 --> 00:07:59,521 Everything. 88 00:07:59,604 --> 00:08:00,896 -Everything. -(applause) 89 00:08:00,980 --> 00:08:03,062 Are you ready for promotions? 90 00:08:03,146 --> 00:08:06,062 (crowd cheering) 91 00:08:07,146 --> 00:08:10,646 Our proctors have met various ethical standards 92 00:08:10,730 --> 00:08:13,146 to qualify to enter into 93 00:08:13,229 --> 00:08:15,563 an independent contractor-ship 94 00:08:15,646 --> 00:08:17,312 on one of our career paths. 95 00:08:17,396 --> 00:08:19,521 -You ready? -Yes. 96 00:08:19,604 --> 00:08:21,187 Nancy Salzman: Bonnie Piesse. 97 00:08:21,271 --> 00:08:23,980 (crowd cheering) 98 00:08:25,980 --> 00:08:27,563 Allison Mack. 99 00:08:27,646 --> 00:08:31,980 (crowd cheering, applauding) 100 00:08:32,062 --> 00:08:35,771 Our new one-stripe full proctors. 101 00:08:35,855 --> 00:08:38,396 (crowd applauding) 102 00:08:42,354 --> 00:08:44,354 Piesse: I was amazed by the EM tech. 103 00:08:44,438 --> 00:08:45,855 (thwacks) 104 00:08:45,938 --> 00:08:47,396 -Ta-da! (chuckles) -Man: Yeah! 105 00:08:47,479 --> 00:08:49,396 Yay! (laughs) Thank you. 106 00:08:49,479 --> 00:08:50,771 -(thwacks) -Ow! 107 00:08:50,855 --> 00:08:52,730 Piesse: Where you break a Pavlovian link 108 00:08:52,813 --> 00:08:55,771 to help a person overcome a limiting belief. 109 00:08:55,855 --> 00:08:59,688 And I wanted to do that right away. 110 00:08:59,771 --> 00:09:02,855 But then you're told that you need to wait till you're a two-stripe coach 111 00:09:02,938 --> 00:09:05,479 to even start learning the tech. 112 00:09:05,563 --> 00:09:09,521 Then you had to go out and practice. 113 00:09:09,604 --> 00:09:12,855 And so I, I practiced two and a half years. 114 00:09:12,938 --> 00:09:16,646 Like, 1,500 EMs to get to two stripe. 115 00:09:16,730 --> 00:09:19,021 I was told that I could earn money 116 00:09:19,104 --> 00:09:20,730 by the time I got to EM one. 117 00:09:20,813 --> 00:09:22,354 And by the time I got there, they said, 118 00:09:22,438 --> 00:09:24,229 "Oh, no, we've changed the standards." 119 00:09:24,312 --> 00:09:28,312 Now you have to pass, like, we're thinking, EM five. 120 00:09:28,396 --> 00:09:31,396 Financially, I was going deeper into debt. 121 00:09:31,479 --> 00:09:34,104 I was kind of just getting by 122 00:09:34,187 --> 00:09:35,896 going to "Star Wars" conventions, 123 00:09:35,980 --> 00:09:37,855 going and playing shows at colleges. 124 00:09:37,938 --> 00:09:40,187 -Thank you so much! -(audience applauding) 125 00:09:40,271 --> 00:09:41,688 It wasn't working. 126 00:09:41,771 --> 00:09:43,730 And Keith kept saying to us, 127 00:09:43,813 --> 00:09:46,438 "Give it a few months and you guys will be earning great money." 128 00:09:46,521 --> 00:09:49,187 But instead, it felt like once I got to proctor, 129 00:09:49,271 --> 00:09:52,271 suddenly I was more obligated to give for free. 130 00:09:52,354 --> 00:09:55,271 And so you're strung along, practicing, practicing, practicing. 131 00:09:55,354 --> 00:10:00,271 Then Keith invited some of us into development teams. 132 00:10:00,354 --> 00:10:04,771 And that's when the workload started to get heavier and heavier. 133 00:10:04,855 --> 00:10:07,271 A typical day during that time would be 134 00:10:07,354 --> 00:10:09,146 -up at five... -(alarm beeping) 135 00:10:09,229 --> 00:10:11,563 shove some breakfast in my body, 136 00:10:11,646 --> 00:10:15,146 run a yoga class, get feedback from Keith, 137 00:10:15,229 --> 00:10:17,688 coach intensives, go and give free EMs. 138 00:10:17,771 --> 00:10:21,479 As a facilitator, you couldn't really get up and even use the bathroom. 139 00:10:21,563 --> 00:10:22,980 I wouldn't have a lunch break. 140 00:10:23,062 --> 00:10:25,354 I would eat on the way in the car. 141 00:10:25,438 --> 00:10:28,146 Meetings, meetings, meetings. I was still trying to uphold 142 00:10:28,229 --> 00:10:29,771 my obligation to being a proctor. 143 00:10:29,855 --> 00:10:32,646 And then drive to Simply Human practice. 144 00:10:32,730 --> 00:10:37,396 -(singing vocal warm-up) -(playing piano) 145 00:10:37,479 --> 00:10:39,813 And then I'd be on the phone practicing EMs 146 00:10:39,896 --> 00:10:41,646 until two or three. 147 00:10:41,730 --> 00:10:44,646 -(alarm buzzing) -Up at five. 148 00:10:44,730 --> 00:10:47,813 So like, we were all running on no sleep. 149 00:10:47,896 --> 00:10:50,187 And even as you're working 23 hours a day, 150 00:10:50,271 --> 00:10:53,229 you're getting feedback of like, "Why aren't you doing more?" 151 00:10:53,312 --> 00:10:56,021 What is comfort? Think about it for a second. 152 00:10:56,104 --> 00:10:57,479 Piesse: It was about productivity, 153 00:10:57,563 --> 00:10:59,354 but it was about pushing through. 154 00:10:59,438 --> 00:11:02,146 Like, we were taught in everything 155 00:11:02,229 --> 00:11:04,438 that to have character you need to, like, 156 00:11:04,521 --> 00:11:06,146 overcome your body feelings. 157 00:11:06,229 --> 00:11:09,646 And you don't need as much rest as you think and, like, it's... 158 00:11:09,730 --> 00:11:11,688 It shows you how strong you are. 159 00:11:11,771 --> 00:11:13,730 Comfort is like an addiction, 160 00:11:13,813 --> 00:11:17,021 and when you find comfort, you try to be more comfortable, 161 00:11:17,104 --> 00:11:18,354 and just everything comfortable 162 00:11:18,438 --> 00:11:20,021 and we don't push our bodies too much, 163 00:11:20,104 --> 00:11:22,312 and comfortable, comfortable, comfortable, right? 164 00:11:22,396 --> 00:11:25,563 The more we indulge in this addiction, 165 00:11:25,646 --> 00:11:27,312 the more we have to lose. 166 00:11:27,396 --> 00:11:29,104 So it feels like tough love. 167 00:11:29,187 --> 00:11:31,021 It feels like you've got these people who care about you, 168 00:11:31,104 --> 00:11:33,187 who are saying, "You need to do this. 169 00:11:33,271 --> 00:11:34,855 "This is all for your own good. 170 00:11:34,938 --> 00:11:36,563 And for the good of the world." 171 00:11:36,646 --> 00:11:40,021 And you're even thankful. You're like, "Thank you for, for pushing me, 172 00:11:40,104 --> 00:11:42,396 and like, trying to help me get through this." 173 00:11:42,479 --> 00:11:45,229 Salzman: So welcome to the world of discomfort. 174 00:11:45,312 --> 00:11:49,146 If you are not uncomfortable, you are not working on anything. 175 00:11:49,229 --> 00:11:52,855 Your life should be a life of discomfort if you want to grow. 176 00:11:52,938 --> 00:11:56,604 If you don't want to grow, hey, sent shit away. Your choice. 177 00:11:59,062 --> 00:12:00,896 Piesse: I found myself, like, 178 00:12:00,980 --> 00:12:04,271 sitting in Clifton Park going, "What are, like-- 179 00:12:04,354 --> 00:12:05,646 "How'd I get here? 180 00:12:07,646 --> 00:12:09,855 This is my life now." 181 00:12:09,938 --> 00:12:11,980 And that didn't feel good. 182 00:12:14,146 --> 00:12:16,021 And I was looking around at all these people 183 00:12:16,104 --> 00:12:17,730 that just didn't seem joyful to me. 184 00:12:17,813 --> 00:12:21,062 And I was like, I feel like everyone's being squished. 185 00:12:21,146 --> 00:12:24,271 And I started to see red flags with Allison. 186 00:12:24,354 --> 00:12:27,521 I noticed that she was getting obsessed with her weight. 187 00:12:27,604 --> 00:12:29,730 Like, it started to feel weird. 188 00:12:29,813 --> 00:12:32,980 And I couldn't really put my finger on it. 189 00:12:33,062 --> 00:12:35,646 But it was just like a feeling that I had. 190 00:12:37,855 --> 00:12:39,855 The coaches didn't really deny intuition, 191 00:12:39,938 --> 00:12:42,479 but they led you to believe that your intuition 192 00:12:42,563 --> 00:12:44,604 was just a feeling, just a viscera, 193 00:12:44,688 --> 00:12:47,271 and that you needed to try to fix it. 194 00:12:47,354 --> 00:12:50,479 Like, if you had a normal emotional reaction to something, 195 00:12:50,563 --> 00:12:53,521 they explained that it was just the world controlling you, 196 00:12:53,604 --> 00:12:56,896 and it was something that you needed to overcome and work through. 197 00:12:59,479 --> 00:13:01,938 Raniere: We want to empower people, 198 00:13:02,021 --> 00:13:06,021 particularly the way our will 199 00:13:06,104 --> 00:13:10,479 interfaces with our body, our neurology, our viscera. 200 00:13:10,563 --> 00:13:14,563 And we have these different techniques that help people, 201 00:13:14,646 --> 00:13:16,646 if you will, drive their vehicle better. 202 00:13:16,730 --> 00:13:18,688 Piesse: In exo/eso, we were taught that 203 00:13:18,771 --> 00:13:20,312 just like you can stretch your body, 204 00:13:20,396 --> 00:13:23,604 you can also stretch your emotions and unlock feelings 205 00:13:23,688 --> 00:13:26,146 that are holding back your growth. 206 00:13:26,229 --> 00:13:30,146 They give you exercises where you can literally open up the viscera, 207 00:13:30,229 --> 00:13:33,354 and expand it into, like, joy. 208 00:13:35,813 --> 00:13:39,021 Woman: Find yourself in a comfortable position. 209 00:13:40,146 --> 00:13:42,896 Maybe lay on the ground, and... 210 00:13:42,980 --> 00:13:45,021 just relax your body. 211 00:13:46,354 --> 00:13:51,021 Now transition to the feeling of suffering. 212 00:13:52,229 --> 00:13:54,396 Think back to the last time you suffered. 213 00:13:54,479 --> 00:13:56,521 Just feel that feeling. 214 00:13:56,604 --> 00:13:58,187 (ominous music playing) 215 00:13:58,271 --> 00:13:59,688 Now intensify it. 216 00:13:59,771 --> 00:14:01,855 Bring it up to the most intense 217 00:14:01,938 --> 00:14:04,021 that you can make the suffering. 218 00:14:04,104 --> 00:14:06,563 To 25, up to 50. 219 00:14:06,646 --> 00:14:09,354 Seventy-five. Push a little harder. 220 00:14:09,438 --> 00:14:11,271 All the way up to 100! 221 00:14:11,354 --> 00:14:13,438 One-hundred percent suffering! 222 00:14:13,521 --> 00:14:14,521 Now switch. 223 00:14:14,604 --> 00:14:16,354 (serene music playing) 224 00:14:16,438 --> 00:14:18,604 Bring up this opposite emotion. 225 00:14:18,688 --> 00:14:20,104 What is it for you? 226 00:14:20,187 --> 00:14:21,938 What do you call it? 227 00:14:23,730 --> 00:14:26,021 Now start to intensify that even further. 228 00:14:26,104 --> 00:14:28,479 Bring it all the way up to the 100 of it. 229 00:14:28,563 --> 00:14:30,146 (joyful music playing) 230 00:14:30,229 --> 00:14:33,146 One-hundred percent of the opposite emotion. 231 00:14:33,229 --> 00:14:35,354 What is this? 232 00:14:35,438 --> 00:14:38,563 What do you call it? Have you felt it before? 233 00:14:38,646 --> 00:14:43,062 And now you're going to switch back to suffering. 234 00:14:43,146 --> 00:14:44,855 Go ahead. Switch. 235 00:14:44,938 --> 00:14:46,980 (dark music playing) 236 00:14:47,062 --> 00:14:48,604 Were you able to bring it back up? 237 00:14:48,688 --> 00:14:50,938 And now switch. 238 00:14:51,021 --> 00:14:53,813 How do you feel now that you've stretched, 239 00:14:53,896 --> 00:14:57,521 and explored your internal emotional experience? 240 00:14:57,604 --> 00:14:59,730 (light music playing) 241 00:14:59,813 --> 00:15:01,896 Piesse: And that's great, in a lot of ways. 242 00:15:01,980 --> 00:15:03,730 It feels powerful. 243 00:15:03,813 --> 00:15:05,604 It feels like you can go out 244 00:15:05,688 --> 00:15:07,855 and achieve the things that you want. 245 00:15:07,938 --> 00:15:10,146 And that's in your hands. 246 00:15:12,730 --> 00:15:16,521 But looking back, I can see how that's really misused. 247 00:15:16,604 --> 00:15:19,855 It's a way to get you to ignore your gut feelings. 248 00:15:24,438 --> 00:15:26,104 -(Vicente claps) -(all clap) 249 00:15:26,187 --> 00:15:27,730 Piesse: I had to tread really carefully. 250 00:15:27,813 --> 00:15:30,312 Like I couldn't really say what I thought to Mark. 251 00:15:30,396 --> 00:15:32,104 He was very defensive. 252 00:15:32,187 --> 00:15:35,855 And he'd fight back and say, "You have to stop." 253 00:15:36,938 --> 00:15:39,021 But I couldn't stop. 254 00:15:49,438 --> 00:15:50,646 Vicente: Mm-hmm. 255 00:15:50,730 --> 00:15:53,146 (Piesse speaking) 256 00:16:03,563 --> 00:16:05,229 Vicente: Mm-hmm. 257 00:16:14,354 --> 00:16:16,521 Piesse: Keith used to teach some of us that 258 00:16:16,604 --> 00:16:18,396 on the path to enlightenment, 259 00:16:18,479 --> 00:16:20,938 you'd reach this barren wasteland. 260 00:16:21,021 --> 00:16:23,688 Like, you reach a space of nothing 261 00:16:23,771 --> 00:16:26,396 before you find this ultimate joy. 262 00:16:26,479 --> 00:16:30,146 Raniere: Joy feels like your, your cells are gonna burst apart. 263 00:16:30,229 --> 00:16:31,688 As a matter of fact, 264 00:16:31,771 --> 00:16:34,563 the more pain we feel, the more we feel, 265 00:16:34,646 --> 00:16:37,521 uh, alive in a body. 266 00:16:37,604 --> 00:16:40,187 My body was starting to fall apart. 267 00:16:40,271 --> 00:16:42,312 (alarm beeping) 268 00:16:42,396 --> 00:16:45,062 And I was having blood sugar crashes. 269 00:16:45,146 --> 00:16:50,062 (vocal warm-up warping, distorting) 270 00:16:50,146 --> 00:16:52,062 And I felt like I couldn't breathe 271 00:16:52,146 --> 00:16:54,229 when I was in the classrooms. 272 00:16:55,438 --> 00:16:58,604 And then Mark encouraged me to talk to Keith. 273 00:17:07,104 --> 00:17:08,896 -Piesse: Yep. -Raniere: Well... 274 00:17:12,312 --> 00:17:14,438 -Piesse: Um-hmm. -(Raniere speaking) 275 00:17:32,563 --> 00:17:34,146 -Raniere: You know? -Piesse: Mm-hmm. 276 00:17:34,229 --> 00:17:37,688 (Raniere speaking) 277 00:17:47,229 --> 00:17:49,771 -Piesse: Right. -(Raniere speaking) 278 00:17:53,896 --> 00:17:55,146 Piesse: And it just... 279 00:17:59,021 --> 00:18:00,604 (Piesse sobbing) 280 00:18:02,271 --> 00:18:04,021 -Piesse: No. -(Raniere speaking) 281 00:18:43,021 --> 00:18:45,688 Piesse: Usually, I had just obeyed. 282 00:18:45,771 --> 00:18:49,187 But at that point, my intuition was, like, screaming at me. 283 00:18:49,271 --> 00:18:51,896 It was like, "You have to get out." 284 00:18:53,229 --> 00:18:56,396 ♪ 285 00:18:56,479 --> 00:18:59,646 Before I left, Allison invited me for a walk. 286 00:18:59,730 --> 00:19:01,312 She was kind of at her skinniest. 287 00:19:01,396 --> 00:19:04,312 She looked like her back bones were sticking out. 288 00:19:04,396 --> 00:19:06,855 But I confronted her and I said, "I think you're sick. 289 00:19:07,688 --> 00:19:09,146 "You're not eating. 290 00:19:09,229 --> 00:19:11,312 "Like, there's a problem, and you need to address it, 291 00:19:11,396 --> 00:19:12,646 and start eating." 292 00:19:12,730 --> 00:19:16,396 And she said, "Well, Keith is measuring my calories. 293 00:19:16,479 --> 00:19:20,229 And he says as long as I'm having my period, I'm fine." 294 00:19:20,312 --> 00:19:22,479 And then she said that she'd made 295 00:19:22,563 --> 00:19:24,730 a lifetime vow to Keith. 296 00:19:25,396 --> 00:19:27,646 And I think she said it was 297 00:19:27,730 --> 00:19:29,730 a vow of devotion. 298 00:19:29,813 --> 00:19:33,646 And she lifted up her shirt and showed me her belly chain. 299 00:19:33,730 --> 00:19:38,187 She said, "And this is to symbolize the vow that I've made." 300 00:19:38,271 --> 00:19:40,730 I certainly didn't understand it. 301 00:19:40,813 --> 00:19:42,604 But I didn't see the darkness in it 302 00:19:42,688 --> 00:19:44,771 that was really there at that point. 303 00:19:47,438 --> 00:19:49,604 (sighs heavily) 304 00:19:51,146 --> 00:19:52,730 (laptop keys clicking) 305 00:19:52,813 --> 00:19:54,479 I reached out to someone who had quit 306 00:19:54,563 --> 00:19:56,271 and who had kind of dropped hints 307 00:19:56,354 --> 00:19:58,938 that they knew what was going on. 308 00:19:59,021 --> 00:20:01,813 And I felt like they knew something that I didn't. 309 00:20:02,479 --> 00:20:03,813 I just said, like, 310 00:20:03,896 --> 00:20:06,021 "Would you trust me enough to tell me what you see? 311 00:20:06,104 --> 00:20:09,312 "'Cause I don't intellectually know what I'm looking at. 312 00:20:09,396 --> 00:20:10,980 I know what I'm feeling." 313 00:20:11,980 --> 00:20:14,855 And she said, "Well, 314 00:20:14,938 --> 00:20:17,271 in a high-control group..." 315 00:20:17,354 --> 00:20:19,187 And I don't even remember the rest of the sentence, 316 00:20:19,271 --> 00:20:22,354 but, like, when I heard high-control group... 317 00:20:24,521 --> 00:20:25,896 It-- I didn't know what it was, 318 00:20:25,980 --> 00:20:28,312 but it just doesn't sound very good. 319 00:20:29,980 --> 00:20:33,438 ♪ 320 00:20:39,062 --> 00:20:41,521 And I actually asked, "Do you think Keith knows? 321 00:20:41,604 --> 00:20:43,104 Like, maybe we need to tell him." 322 00:20:43,187 --> 00:20:47,771 And she was like, "I think it's deliberately designed that way." 323 00:20:47,855 --> 00:20:50,980 And so I called him and I said, you know, "Here's what I see. 324 00:20:51,062 --> 00:20:53,938 "I see that all your companies are... 325 00:20:54,021 --> 00:20:56,438 "built on abuse, obligation, guilt, 326 00:20:56,521 --> 00:20:58,688 and coercion. I can't support it." 327 00:20:59,688 --> 00:21:01,771 And he said... 328 00:21:01,855 --> 00:21:03,688 "Oh, I think, you know, 329 00:21:03,771 --> 00:21:06,479 "there are some issues that you never worked. 330 00:21:07,354 --> 00:21:09,521 "You seem to have a... 331 00:21:09,604 --> 00:21:12,021 a commitment to being a victim." 332 00:21:14,104 --> 00:21:16,563 Salzman: We have a fight or flight mechanism, 333 00:21:16,646 --> 00:21:19,396 which triggers this thing we call fear. 334 00:21:19,479 --> 00:21:20,771 When we're fearful, 335 00:21:20,855 --> 00:21:23,521 when we're making decisions based on fear, 336 00:21:23,604 --> 00:21:24,896 we are at effect. 337 00:21:24,980 --> 00:21:27,604 It's the lowest state of existence. 338 00:21:27,688 --> 00:21:30,771 As you make your decision based on fear, 339 00:21:30,855 --> 00:21:33,479 now it's not your psyche controlling, 340 00:21:33,563 --> 00:21:35,646 it's the body and the world 341 00:21:35,730 --> 00:21:37,479 controlling your psyche. 342 00:21:37,563 --> 00:21:40,271 Now we have joy. What is joy? 343 00:21:40,354 --> 00:21:43,813 And what's the opposite of joy? We talk about joy and misery. 344 00:21:43,896 --> 00:21:47,021 When someone is miserable, 345 00:21:47,104 --> 00:21:48,980 they feel small. 346 00:21:49,062 --> 00:21:51,312 Misery is constrictive. 347 00:21:51,396 --> 00:21:53,438 It's self-oriented, 348 00:21:53,521 --> 00:21:55,354 and it's destructive. 349 00:21:55,438 --> 00:21:57,896 You know, it's involved with suffering, 350 00:21:57,980 --> 00:21:59,980 self-pity, things along those lines, 351 00:22:00,062 --> 00:22:01,771 or malice. 352 00:22:09,396 --> 00:22:10,521 No. 353 00:22:10,604 --> 00:22:12,146 So, I lost my opportunity 354 00:22:12,229 --> 00:22:14,688 to talk to people freely, because... 355 00:22:14,771 --> 00:22:17,896 I think a lot of people saw it as... 356 00:22:17,980 --> 00:22:20,771 dishonorable and weak that I left. 357 00:22:21,563 --> 00:22:23,563 I feel unsure of myself. 358 00:22:23,646 --> 00:22:27,688 We were taught you need to push through. 359 00:22:27,771 --> 00:22:29,813 It shows you how strong you are. 360 00:22:29,896 --> 00:22:32,604 Like, maybe I really am a bad person 361 00:22:32,688 --> 00:22:36,146 for questioning and being disloyal and leaving. 362 00:22:36,229 --> 00:22:38,312 Maybe I'm the problem. 363 00:22:41,855 --> 00:22:43,479 Piesse (on voicemail): Hi. You've called Bonnie. 364 00:22:43,563 --> 00:22:46,021 Leave a message and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. 365 00:22:46,104 --> 00:22:47,479 (voicemail beeps) 366 00:23:16,354 --> 00:23:18,104 (voicemail disconnects) 367 00:23:23,730 --> 00:23:26,229 Piesse: "Finally, I wish to remain on good terms with the company 368 00:23:26,312 --> 00:23:30,146 and have no ethical or unresolved issues with NXIVM and ESP." 369 00:23:44,312 --> 00:23:45,688 Vicente: Mm-hmm. 370 00:23:46,980 --> 00:23:48,730 (Piesse speaking) 371 00:23:51,062 --> 00:23:52,479 Vicente: Yeah. 372 00:24:25,980 --> 00:24:28,104 Piesse: I finally opened up with a friend. 373 00:24:28,187 --> 00:24:31,813 I just, like, let it all out, and told her everything. 374 00:24:31,896 --> 00:24:34,980 And she said, "You know, you might need to break up with him. 375 00:24:35,062 --> 00:24:37,062 You might need to leave him." 376 00:24:39,813 --> 00:24:41,646 It's so sad that a lot of relationships 377 00:24:41,730 --> 00:24:44,062 go from being great in the beginning, 378 00:24:44,146 --> 00:24:46,312 to there's all this resentment and anger, 379 00:24:46,396 --> 00:24:48,604 and they just seem to get kind of more and more bitter. 380 00:24:48,688 --> 00:24:51,688 This helps you resolve those things, so that you can 381 00:24:51,771 --> 00:24:54,229 make your relationship get better. 382 00:24:55,521 --> 00:24:58,229 This marriage is one of the most successful things in my life. 383 00:24:58,312 --> 00:24:59,813 For certain. 384 00:24:59,896 --> 00:25:02,354 I believe we have a really successful relationship, 385 00:25:02,438 --> 00:25:04,062 and it didn't just happen. 386 00:25:32,271 --> 00:25:34,438 (indicator clicking) 387 00:25:36,187 --> 00:25:37,896 (jet engine roaring) 388 00:25:39,146 --> 00:25:40,730 Piesse (on voicemail): Hi. You've called Bonnie. 389 00:25:40,813 --> 00:25:43,646 Leave a message and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. 390 00:26:05,062 --> 00:26:07,980 (Piesse sobbing) 391 00:26:37,021 --> 00:26:41,146 (whimsical piano music playing) 392 00:26:43,062 --> 00:26:44,771 (camera shutters clicking) 393 00:26:44,855 --> 00:26:46,938 So you want to interview me or something, or... ? 394 00:26:47,021 --> 00:26:48,521 Vicente: Light bulbs out. 395 00:26:48,604 --> 00:26:50,771 (man laughing) 396 00:26:50,855 --> 00:26:52,187 Okay, so you're gonna sit there. 397 00:26:52,271 --> 00:26:54,980 -I'll interview you, and film you? -(laughter) 398 00:26:58,271 --> 00:26:59,896 Vicente: So, 399 00:26:59,980 --> 00:27:02,187 um, Keith, in the time that I spent with you, 400 00:27:02,271 --> 00:27:04,271 it's clear that you have a whole series of ideas 401 00:27:04,354 --> 00:27:05,730 that are really amazing. 402 00:27:05,813 --> 00:27:07,479 Well, first of all, 403 00:27:07,563 --> 00:27:09,855 I, I don't know if the ideas are amazing or not. 404 00:27:09,938 --> 00:27:11,563 I... 405 00:27:11,646 --> 00:27:14,771 My assumption is that I, I have some, 406 00:27:14,855 --> 00:27:17,146 uh, relatively strong ideas, 407 00:27:17,229 --> 00:27:19,896 uh, that I communicate pretty well. 408 00:27:21,396 --> 00:27:25,229 (crowd applauding) 409 00:27:29,229 --> 00:27:30,563 My name is Mark Vicente. 410 00:27:30,646 --> 00:27:34,479 I'm a filmmaker from the apartheid era South Africa. 411 00:27:34,563 --> 00:27:37,146 George Lucas had as his mentor Joseph Campbell, 412 00:27:37,229 --> 00:27:39,187 an American mythologist. 413 00:27:39,271 --> 00:27:41,604 I have as my mentor an American scientist 414 00:27:41,688 --> 00:27:43,938 and philosopher by the name of Keith Raniere. 415 00:27:44,730 --> 00:27:46,146 He asked me a question, 416 00:27:46,229 --> 00:27:48,021 and the question he asked me was, 417 00:27:48,104 --> 00:27:49,896 "What is bravery?" 418 00:27:50,938 --> 00:27:52,271 What does that mean? 419 00:27:52,354 --> 00:27:54,396 Well, there's a dictionary definition. 420 00:27:54,479 --> 00:27:58,438 But in the deepest sense, it means to be able to bear pain. 421 00:27:58,521 --> 00:28:00,438 You know, you look at all the people who 422 00:28:00,521 --> 00:28:02,021 are allegedly enlightened. 423 00:28:02,104 --> 00:28:04,604 All the different gurus, whether it be the Buddha, 424 00:28:04,688 --> 00:28:06,354 the Jesus, or, or Gandhi. 425 00:28:06,438 --> 00:28:08,813 They're not just sitting on a pillow. 426 00:28:08,896 --> 00:28:11,021 They're not just being fed grapes 427 00:28:11,104 --> 00:28:12,521 and doing nothing, you know? 428 00:28:12,604 --> 00:28:15,146 And struggle, there's nothing negative about it. 429 00:28:15,229 --> 00:28:17,146 It's the nature of life. 430 00:28:17,229 --> 00:28:20,312 Vicente: When I first met Keith, he said to me, 431 00:28:20,396 --> 00:28:22,104 "You know, it'd be good if you just moved here 432 00:28:22,187 --> 00:28:25,688 so we could, like, have more of these conversations." 433 00:28:25,771 --> 00:28:28,146 Train conductor: Albany, anybody? Albany? 434 00:28:31,146 --> 00:28:32,771 Vicente: It wasn't really in Albany proper. 435 00:28:32,855 --> 00:28:35,604 It was more north in Clifton Park. 436 00:28:36,980 --> 00:28:40,146 Everybody knew, pretty much, where everybody lived. 437 00:28:40,229 --> 00:28:42,813 So you'd always run into people. 438 00:28:42,896 --> 00:28:45,104 And in between, we're just the civilians. 439 00:28:45,187 --> 00:28:47,146 You know, those people who just live there. 440 00:28:48,187 --> 00:28:49,396 And then at night, 441 00:28:49,479 --> 00:28:51,938 you know, you were expected to go to volleyball. 442 00:28:52,021 --> 00:28:55,187 It was like, you know, midnight to 7:00 a.m. 443 00:28:56,479 --> 00:28:59,396 And around, um, 10:30 or 11, 444 00:28:59,479 --> 00:29:01,980 the A team and Keith Raniere would show up. 445 00:29:03,312 --> 00:29:05,813 -(balls bouncing) -(indistinct chatter) 446 00:29:07,438 --> 00:29:09,187 -(thwacks) -(ball bounces) 447 00:29:09,271 --> 00:29:11,312 Help, help. Help! 448 00:29:11,396 --> 00:29:13,479 Producer: Why volleyball? 449 00:29:14,354 --> 00:29:16,855 I didn't understand volleyball at first. 450 00:29:16,938 --> 00:29:19,938 But it became a big social event. 451 00:29:20,021 --> 00:29:21,479 When intensives were going on, 452 00:29:21,563 --> 00:29:24,354 you could have like 50, 60 people in the bleachers, 453 00:29:24,438 --> 00:29:26,604 basically just watching, 454 00:29:26,688 --> 00:29:30,021 EM-ing each other, whispering to each other, talking, 455 00:29:30,104 --> 00:29:31,771 and then in between games, 456 00:29:31,855 --> 00:29:33,771 everybody would gaggle around him, you know, 457 00:29:33,855 --> 00:29:35,730 and ask him question after question after question, 458 00:29:35,813 --> 00:29:37,604 and we'd stand there for like half an hour sometimes, 459 00:29:37,688 --> 00:29:39,980 cooling down while he was talking, 460 00:29:40,062 --> 00:29:42,021 and then we'd play again. 461 00:30:05,730 --> 00:30:07,521 You know, he was like the rock star. 462 00:30:11,021 --> 00:30:12,563 ESP Member: Is that okay? 463 00:30:12,646 --> 00:30:14,563 (laughing) 464 00:30:16,855 --> 00:30:18,146 (camera shutter clicks) 465 00:30:18,229 --> 00:30:19,813 Vicente: And in the end, it was all about 466 00:30:19,896 --> 00:30:21,604 -seeing him. -...tries to handle the ball. 467 00:30:23,813 --> 00:30:26,730 Vicente: That's what everybody said. It's a chance to see him. 468 00:30:27,896 --> 00:30:30,980 I basically try every day to reach him. 469 00:30:31,062 --> 00:30:34,146 We're gonna-- Let's talk about projects. Let's talk about things. 470 00:30:34,229 --> 00:30:36,896 And it's very frustrating, because he won't respond. 471 00:30:36,980 --> 00:30:38,771 And I go to volleyball, like, three times a week, 472 00:30:38,855 --> 00:30:40,730 and I'm talking to him and say, "When are we gonna start? 473 00:30:40,813 --> 00:30:42,938 When are we gonna start? When are we gonna start?" 474 00:30:43,021 --> 00:30:44,938 And it's like he just-- 475 00:30:45,021 --> 00:30:47,312 almost like he forgot. 476 00:30:47,396 --> 00:30:49,354 And so I'm in this state of complete insecurity. 477 00:30:49,438 --> 00:30:51,312 Like, I just uprooted my life. 478 00:30:51,396 --> 00:30:53,104 Six weeks go by. 479 00:30:53,646 --> 00:30:54,896 On my birthday, 480 00:30:54,980 --> 00:30:57,604 seven o'clock in the morning, Keith Raniere calls me. 481 00:30:57,688 --> 00:31:00,396 And he says, "Hey, you wanna take a walk?" I mean... 482 00:31:00,479 --> 00:31:02,354 And I'm like fuckin' ready. 483 00:31:02,438 --> 00:31:03,896 You know, I'm there. 484 00:31:03,980 --> 00:31:05,104 I've got my recorder with me, 485 00:31:05,187 --> 00:31:06,604 I've got a little note pad with me, 486 00:31:06,688 --> 00:31:08,646 and I'm so excited. 487 00:31:09,730 --> 00:31:11,396 He's gonna work with me now. 488 00:31:24,896 --> 00:31:26,354 Vicente: Uh-huh. 489 00:31:30,896 --> 00:31:32,688 Nancy said to me, "You know what? 490 00:31:32,771 --> 00:31:34,938 "It would be great if you'd document Keith now that you're here, 491 00:31:35,021 --> 00:31:37,980 'cause you know how to shoot and everything. Could you document him?" 492 00:31:41,479 --> 00:31:43,146 Mark is trying to film me. 493 00:31:43,229 --> 00:31:46,229 I'll just keep on asking and shooting until someone says no. 494 00:31:46,312 --> 00:31:49,604 Okay. Very cool idea. 495 00:31:49,688 --> 00:31:51,187 -Vicente: You guys ready? -Woman: Mm-hmm. 496 00:31:51,271 --> 00:31:54,062 I started shooting, like, in 2005, 497 00:31:54,146 --> 00:31:56,771 and then a number of people said to me they'd like to learn. 498 00:31:56,855 --> 00:31:57,896 Switch it to "camera." 499 00:31:57,980 --> 00:32:00,479 So I began this program of like teaching people, 500 00:32:00,563 --> 00:32:02,646 you know, how to shoot, how to do sound, 501 00:32:02,730 --> 00:32:04,271 you know, how to edit. 502 00:32:04,354 --> 00:32:07,563 -Cool! -(people laughing) 503 00:32:07,646 --> 00:32:09,271 And it grew to people, 504 00:32:09,354 --> 00:32:10,896 you know, recording with audio, 505 00:32:10,980 --> 00:32:13,271 you had people shooting with video. 506 00:32:13,354 --> 00:32:15,396 And then you had, like, people that were basically 507 00:32:15,479 --> 00:32:18,646 writing down what he said and categorizing it, you know. 508 00:32:18,730 --> 00:32:21,229 It was, it was a whole operation constantly. 509 00:32:25,771 --> 00:32:26,813 Raniere: Good. 510 00:32:26,896 --> 00:32:28,312 And he just said, like, it's important to 511 00:32:28,396 --> 00:32:31,104 document this because, you know, we're talking about 512 00:32:31,187 --> 00:32:32,730 the generations in the future. 513 00:32:32,813 --> 00:32:34,438 Like, at some point in the future, 514 00:32:34,521 --> 00:32:36,730 my hope is this work that we're doing 515 00:32:36,813 --> 00:32:39,021 will end up in universities, will end up in books. 516 00:32:39,104 --> 00:32:41,604 And wouldn't it be wonderful if the world could look back and say, 517 00:32:41,688 --> 00:32:43,521 "Oh, that's what happened." 518 00:32:43,604 --> 00:32:47,146 I take walks with him at like, 2:00 a.m., 3:00 a.m., 4:00 a.m. 519 00:32:47,229 --> 00:32:50,688 And when we're done, I go home and I transcribe the entire thing. 520 00:32:52,813 --> 00:32:54,146 Vicente: Uh-huh. 521 00:32:54,229 --> 00:32:57,855 (Raniere speaking) 522 00:33:00,187 --> 00:33:02,896 -Vicente: Mm-hmm. -(Raniere speaking) 523 00:33:09,396 --> 00:33:12,730 -Vicente: Mm-hmm. -(Raniere speaking) 524 00:33:20,396 --> 00:33:22,312 Vicente: And in that moment, I remember thinking, 525 00:33:22,396 --> 00:33:24,730 this guy fuckin' knows me like nobody has ever known me. 526 00:33:24,813 --> 00:33:27,479 Like, nobody in my family knows me. He knows me. 527 00:33:29,021 --> 00:33:30,396 And I'm astounded, 528 00:33:30,479 --> 00:33:32,187 and I remember going-- I didn't sleep much that night, 529 00:33:32,271 --> 00:33:34,229 and I was writing in journals, and writing about, like, 530 00:33:34,312 --> 00:33:37,479 all these things, and, and how much that it impacted me. 531 00:33:37,563 --> 00:33:40,396 And how much I yearned to be this-- 532 00:33:40,479 --> 00:33:42,479 I yearned to be like him. 533 00:33:51,271 --> 00:33:52,646 Raniere: Mm-hmm. 534 00:33:55,104 --> 00:33:56,146 Vicente: Okay. 535 00:33:56,229 --> 00:33:59,604 (Raniere speaking) 536 00:34:02,021 --> 00:34:03,146 Vicente: Right. 537 00:34:14,146 --> 00:34:16,855 -Vicente: Yes. -(Raniere speaking) 538 00:34:19,021 --> 00:34:20,312 Vicente: Mm-hmm. 539 00:34:26,730 --> 00:34:28,312 Vicente: Right. 540 00:34:29,813 --> 00:34:30,771 Vicente: Right. 541 00:34:30,855 --> 00:34:32,438 (Raniere speaking) 542 00:34:32,521 --> 00:34:33,688 Vicente: Right. 543 00:34:33,771 --> 00:34:36,271 (Raniere speaking) 544 00:34:38,813 --> 00:34:41,604 -Vicente: Mm-hmm. - (Raniere speaking) 545 00:34:50,896 --> 00:34:52,312 Vicente: Right. 546 00:35:02,604 --> 00:35:04,021 Vicente: Right. 547 00:35:06,187 --> 00:35:09,646 Vicente: Over time, these ideas evolved into a screenplay 548 00:35:09,730 --> 00:35:11,354 called "Carbon Crimes." 549 00:35:12,438 --> 00:35:13,604 It follows Joe, 550 00:35:13,688 --> 00:35:16,354 an idealistic aide to a powerful Senator. 551 00:35:16,438 --> 00:35:19,271 So, Joe, who's spirited and impulsive. 552 00:35:19,354 --> 00:35:20,604 Wants to prove he's good. 553 00:35:20,688 --> 00:35:23,354 Passionate and hopeful. Struggles with lying. 554 00:35:23,438 --> 00:35:25,229 He meets Erik Einhaert, 555 00:35:25,312 --> 00:35:29,563 a world-renowned scientist, professor, and humanitarian. 556 00:35:29,646 --> 00:35:32,104 -Vicente: Yes. -(Raniere speaking) 557 00:35:32,187 --> 00:35:34,896 (keyboard clacking) 558 00:35:39,021 --> 00:35:41,438 -Vicente: Yep. -(Raniere speaking) 559 00:35:43,396 --> 00:35:44,396 Vicente: Mm-hmm. 560 00:35:44,479 --> 00:35:46,563 Einhaert takes Joe under his wing, 561 00:35:46,646 --> 00:35:49,938 and challenges Joe to question all of his assumptions 562 00:35:50,021 --> 00:35:51,896 about the entire universe. 563 00:35:53,104 --> 00:35:54,563 So he gave me all the ideas. 564 00:35:54,646 --> 00:35:56,062 And part of it was cool, 'cause it was like, 565 00:35:56,146 --> 00:35:57,271 "Oh, now I'm like Nancy." 566 00:35:57,354 --> 00:35:59,479 Like, he's downloading all the ideas to me 567 00:35:59,563 --> 00:36:01,312 and I'm gonna, like, turn this into something, you know. 568 00:36:01,396 --> 00:36:02,646 So she would turn it into modules, 569 00:36:02,730 --> 00:36:03,896 and I was gonna turn this into a movie. 570 00:36:03,980 --> 00:36:05,229 (phone rings) 571 00:36:10,855 --> 00:36:13,104 -Vicente: Mm-hmm. -(Raniere speaking) 572 00:36:18,187 --> 00:36:19,604 Vicente: I'm in heaven. 573 00:36:19,688 --> 00:36:22,312 We're doing an EM in a movie, 574 00:36:22,396 --> 00:36:24,646 which is all I ever wanted to do. 575 00:36:35,438 --> 00:36:37,354 Vicente: I suppose I was like this 576 00:36:37,438 --> 00:36:39,271 very eager student. 577 00:36:39,354 --> 00:36:41,563 So for seven years of my life, 578 00:36:41,646 --> 00:36:44,187 I call him every single day. 579 00:36:44,271 --> 00:36:45,938 (line ringing) 580 00:36:49,771 --> 00:36:51,187 Hello. 581 00:36:51,771 --> 00:36:52,896 -Hi. -Hi! 582 00:36:52,980 --> 00:36:54,104 How's it going there? 583 00:36:54,187 --> 00:36:55,646 (phone ringing) 584 00:37:10,646 --> 00:37:11,771 Correct. 585 00:37:13,521 --> 00:37:14,980 Right. Is that... 586 00:37:36,563 --> 00:37:37,563 Yeah. 587 00:37:39,312 --> 00:37:42,021 Vicente: I felt that there was a closeness. 588 00:37:42,104 --> 00:37:45,271 You know, the highest IQ in the world is telling you 589 00:37:45,354 --> 00:37:46,980 that you're the one. 590 00:37:47,062 --> 00:37:49,312 You're smart enough to get me. 591 00:37:49,396 --> 00:37:52,604 That's... I don't know. It could be pretty intoxicating. 592 00:37:52,688 --> 00:37:54,938 Nancy said to me, "It's extraordinary, 593 00:37:55,021 --> 00:37:57,146 this relationship you have with Keith." And I was like, "Why?" 594 00:37:57,229 --> 00:37:59,438 She says, "'Cause you're his only male friend." 595 00:37:59,521 --> 00:38:01,312 -Raniere: Yeah, yeah. Yeah. -(indistinct chatter) 596 00:38:01,396 --> 00:38:03,771 (woman laughing) 597 00:38:03,855 --> 00:38:05,688 Vicente: I have the Vanguard. I have the Prefect. 598 00:38:05,771 --> 00:38:08,354 -I have Sarah, my business partner. -Namaste. 599 00:38:08,438 --> 00:38:09,938 Vicente: I have all these people that, like, 600 00:38:10,021 --> 00:38:11,646 anytime I need anything, I'll say, "Listen. 601 00:38:11,730 --> 00:38:13,438 Hey, can I talk something through with you?" 602 00:38:13,521 --> 00:38:16,104 They'll say, "Of course you can. Let's go for a walk." You know? 603 00:38:16,187 --> 00:38:18,896 ♪ ♪ 604 00:38:20,312 --> 00:38:22,479 Actually, let's have everybody stand up for a second. 605 00:38:22,563 --> 00:38:24,813 -(class laughing) -For the first time in my life, 606 00:38:24,896 --> 00:38:26,688 I had the feeling of like, 607 00:38:26,771 --> 00:38:28,813 I am with me, and I love me, 608 00:38:28,896 --> 00:38:30,104 and I remember just being like, 609 00:38:30,187 --> 00:38:32,396 "Oh, my God. This is what self-love is." 610 00:38:33,813 --> 00:38:35,354 This feeling is the thing 611 00:38:35,438 --> 00:38:38,354 every single human being in the world wants. 612 00:38:38,438 --> 00:38:40,604 It's priceless. 613 00:38:50,688 --> 00:38:53,062 (indicator clicking) 614 00:38:55,062 --> 00:38:56,813 (line ringing) 615 00:39:15,521 --> 00:39:17,604 -Vicente: Right. -(Sarah Edmondson speaking) 616 00:39:19,730 --> 00:39:21,104 -You know, like... -(Vicente sighs) 617 00:39:22,021 --> 00:39:23,229 (Vicente laughs) 618 00:39:30,438 --> 00:39:33,146 -Edmondson: Yeah. Yeah. -(Vicente speaking) 619 00:39:54,521 --> 00:39:56,271 Vicente: When Bonnie leaves in 2017, 620 00:39:56,354 --> 00:39:58,688 I'm like, "What the fuck am I gonna do?" 621 00:39:59,896 --> 00:40:02,438 If I took in what she said, 622 00:40:02,521 --> 00:40:04,646 it was, it was pretty horrifying. 623 00:40:05,438 --> 00:40:07,646 Because I'd have to question... 624 00:40:07,730 --> 00:40:09,271 Questioning him 625 00:40:09,354 --> 00:40:12,229 felt like I'd question everything about myself. 626 00:40:12,312 --> 00:40:14,146 And I wanted her just to stop. 627 00:40:14,229 --> 00:40:16,438 Like, "Can we stop? Can we not talk about this right now? 628 00:40:16,521 --> 00:40:18,563 Can we, can we talk about it some other time?" 629 00:40:18,646 --> 00:40:20,229 And she was insistent. 630 00:40:20,896 --> 00:40:22,312 I was like, constantly, 631 00:40:22,396 --> 00:40:24,062 every day, trying to get him to understand. 632 00:40:24,146 --> 00:40:25,438 Putting evidence in front of him, 633 00:40:25,521 --> 00:40:29,855 begging him to listen, begging him to read cult books. 634 00:40:29,938 --> 00:40:32,271 He begged me to not keep pushing him, 635 00:40:32,354 --> 00:40:35,479 and to let him have his own process with it. 636 00:40:35,563 --> 00:40:38,146 But he was still talking to Keith. 637 00:40:38,229 --> 00:40:42,271 And I was like, "Fuck." You know, like, all... 638 00:40:42,354 --> 00:40:45,646 All the work, all the progress that I was... 639 00:40:45,730 --> 00:40:47,813 trying to make with him would then be, like, 640 00:40:47,896 --> 00:40:49,354 flushed down the toilet. 641 00:40:50,146 --> 00:40:53,396 ♪ ♪ 642 00:41:56,396 --> 00:41:58,730 (Vicente laughing) 643 00:41:58,813 --> 00:42:00,855 (sighs) You know what Bonnie said to me? 644 00:42:00,938 --> 00:42:04,062 Like, "What will it take?" I said, "Data." 645 00:42:04,146 --> 00:42:05,771 (cars honking) 646 00:42:08,813 --> 00:42:10,187 Piesse: Soon after I left, 647 00:42:10,271 --> 00:42:13,354 another person left and came to LA, 648 00:42:13,438 --> 00:42:15,688 and we started talking about everything. 649 00:42:15,771 --> 00:42:18,688 She gave me information about things that she'd seen 650 00:42:18,771 --> 00:42:20,604 that were very concerning. 651 00:42:22,104 --> 00:42:24,521 And she agreed to talk to Mark. 652 00:42:24,604 --> 00:42:26,980 (indicator clicking) 653 00:42:37,980 --> 00:42:40,771 (ominous music playing) 654 00:42:46,771 --> 00:42:47,730 Vicente: Mm-hmm. 655 00:42:47,813 --> 00:42:50,312 (friend speaking) 656 00:43:36,771 --> 00:43:39,021 ♪ ♪ 657 00:44:04,813 --> 00:44:07,563 Vicente: I'm like, "What the fuck is going on here?" 658 00:44:08,187 --> 00:44:09,479 There's something wrong. 659 00:44:09,563 --> 00:44:13,104 Keith is amazing, but something is fucked up. 660 00:44:26,980 --> 00:44:27,938 Raniere: Mm! 661 00:44:28,021 --> 00:44:29,604 (Vicente speaking) 662 00:44:36,438 --> 00:44:37,521 Vicente: Mm-hmm. 663 00:44:37,604 --> 00:44:39,980 (Raniere speaking) 664 00:44:40,062 --> 00:44:41,312 Vicente: Mm-hmm. 665 00:44:41,396 --> 00:44:43,271 (Raniere speaking) 666 00:44:46,771 --> 00:44:49,187 -Vicente: Mm-hmm. -(Raniere speaking) 667 00:44:49,271 --> 00:44:51,479 -Vicente: Mm-hmm. -(Raniere speaking) 668 00:44:51,563 --> 00:44:52,646 Vicente: Mm-hmm. 669 00:45:08,104 --> 00:45:09,479 Vicente: Yep. 670 00:45:10,771 --> 00:45:12,312 Vicente: Yep. 671 00:45:18,688 --> 00:45:20,229 Vicente: It was very hard, 672 00:45:20,312 --> 00:45:23,229 because you're going up against the leader. 673 00:45:23,312 --> 00:45:26,646 And in this case, a leader who had spent 12 years 674 00:45:26,730 --> 00:45:29,855 working his way into my psyche. 675 00:45:32,646 --> 00:45:33,813 (laughing) 676 00:45:44,146 --> 00:45:46,146 ♪ ♪ 677 00:46:16,438 --> 00:46:18,730 (shoes squeaking, ball bouncing) 678 00:46:24,187 --> 00:46:25,521 Yep. 679 00:46:25,604 --> 00:46:27,855 -Boom. There you go. Yeah. -Oh, yeah. That felt good. 680 00:46:28,688 --> 00:46:29,813 Right. 681 00:46:55,396 --> 00:46:56,563 Vicente: Um... 682 00:47:06,688 --> 00:47:09,229 Edmondson: Yes, yeah. 683 00:47:32,521 --> 00:47:33,521 Edmondson: I-- I-- 684 00:47:33,604 --> 00:47:35,312 (Vicente speaking) 685 00:47:39,604 --> 00:47:42,062 Vicente: You feel like you're going crazy. 686 00:47:42,146 --> 00:47:44,813 He got my best friend to basically spy on me. 687 00:47:45,980 --> 00:47:48,354 Every single thing that I was suspecting him of, 688 00:47:48,438 --> 00:47:50,146 I kept on explaining it away, 689 00:47:50,229 --> 00:47:52,062 like, maybe there's a good reason. 690 00:47:52,146 --> 00:47:53,688 That day I allowed myself 691 00:47:53,771 --> 00:47:55,938 to like question, what if there's not? 692 00:47:56,521 --> 00:47:58,187 (line ringing) 693 00:48:02,146 --> 00:48:05,354 -Raniere: Uh-huh. -(Vicente speaking) 694 00:48:07,312 --> 00:48:08,646 Raniere: Okay. 695 00:48:10,312 --> 00:48:12,980 (Vicente speaking) 696 00:48:13,896 --> 00:48:15,646 Raniere: Mm-hmm. 697 00:48:16,980 --> 00:48:18,146 Raniere: Uh-huh. 698 00:48:19,312 --> 00:48:20,563 Vicente: Mm-hmm. 699 00:48:20,646 --> 00:48:23,271 (Raniere speaking) 700 00:50:19,104 --> 00:50:21,104 ♪ ♪ 701 00:50:22,813 --> 00:50:24,604 Vicente: He's lying to me. 702 00:50:27,896 --> 00:50:32,354 ♪ ♪ 703 00:50:32,438 --> 00:50:34,479 Twelve years of spending time with him, 704 00:50:34,563 --> 00:50:37,896 thinking that every single thing that comes out of his mouth 705 00:50:37,980 --> 00:50:39,938 is honest. 706 00:50:44,396 --> 00:50:47,396 ♪ ♪ 707 00:50:47,479 --> 00:50:49,438 Wait, okay, so that's a lie. 708 00:50:50,354 --> 00:50:52,604 What if it's not the only one? 709 00:50:53,563 --> 00:50:57,479 It was like there was a crack in the dam. 710 00:50:57,563 --> 00:50:59,187 (high-pitched tone) 711 00:51:01,312 --> 00:51:03,646 You collapse in a puddle... 712 00:51:04,646 --> 00:51:06,646 of, of horror and shock. 713 00:51:07,771 --> 00:51:09,813 That's waking up. 714 00:51:09,896 --> 00:51:12,229 It's a very, very deep and disturbing 715 00:51:12,312 --> 00:51:14,021 dark night of the soul. 716 00:51:14,104 --> 00:51:16,271 (crickets chirping) 717 00:51:18,521 --> 00:51:20,271 Piesse: We went for a hike, 718 00:51:20,354 --> 00:51:22,062 and he said to me, "My eyes are open, 719 00:51:22,146 --> 00:51:25,146 and I want you to know that I am loyal to you above them." 720 00:51:26,646 --> 00:51:29,438 And for the first time, he started asking me questions 721 00:51:29,521 --> 00:51:31,229 about what I thought. (sniffles) 722 00:51:36,187 --> 00:51:37,730 Vicente (on voicemail): Hello, this is Mark. 723 00:51:37,813 --> 00:51:39,813 Please leave a message after the beep. 724 00:51:39,896 --> 00:51:41,021 (phone beeps) 725 00:52:11,062 --> 00:52:12,688 Vicente: "Dear Keith, Nancy, 726 00:52:12,771 --> 00:52:14,479 "and members of the executive board, 727 00:52:14,563 --> 00:52:17,604 "as I've expressed in many different ways over the last years, 728 00:52:17,688 --> 00:52:18,980 "I've had strong aspirations 729 00:52:19,062 --> 00:52:21,855 "to return my focus and effort to my career. 730 00:52:22,896 --> 00:52:25,438 "As such, I am resigning from ESP. 731 00:52:26,187 --> 00:52:27,312 "With respect to the centers, 732 00:52:27,396 --> 00:52:29,646 "I will be discussing my transition with Sarah, 733 00:52:29,730 --> 00:52:31,813 "and I will apprise the Greens of which coaches 734 00:52:31,896 --> 00:52:33,146 need to be transferred." 735 00:52:33,229 --> 00:52:34,730 (indistinct chatter) 736 00:52:34,813 --> 00:52:37,688 It was the point of no return. 737 00:52:37,771 --> 00:52:40,271 And I now understand I have to tell Sarah. 738 00:52:47,354 --> 00:52:48,688 Edmondson: Mm-hmm. 739 00:52:48,771 --> 00:52:51,771 (Vicente speaking) 740 00:54:21,187 --> 00:54:24,312 (indistinct chatter in background on Edmondson's line) 741 00:54:25,855 --> 00:54:27,896 (voices fade) 742 00:54:50,855 --> 00:54:52,396 (recorder beeps off) 743 00:54:52,479 --> 00:54:54,229 Vicente: When we switched off the recording, 744 00:54:54,312 --> 00:54:57,896 Sarah tells me that she is in this thing, 745 00:54:57,980 --> 00:55:00,938 that it's called DOS, and then she tells me, 746 00:55:01,021 --> 00:55:02,813 um, "They branded me as well." 747 00:55:02,896 --> 00:55:04,688 And I remember going, something like, "What? 748 00:55:04,771 --> 00:55:06,604 They b-- They did what?" 749 00:55:07,229 --> 00:55:08,438 (phone bloops) 750 00:55:10,146 --> 00:55:12,271 What the fuck? 751 00:55:20,438 --> 00:55:23,563 (ominous music playing) 752 00:55:26,021 --> 00:55:30,813 (music intensifies) 753 00:55:30,896 --> 00:55:32,896 ("Hit Me Where It Hurts" by Caroline Polachek playing) 754 00:55:32,980 --> 00:55:35,062 ♪ I'm feeling like a butterfly trapped inside a plane ♪ 755 00:55:35,146 --> 00:55:38,021 ♪ Maybe there's something going on ♪ 756 00:55:38,104 --> 00:55:39,521 ♪ I'm not insane ♪ 757 00:55:39,604 --> 00:55:41,938 ♪ If I'm already out of time ♪ 758 00:55:42,021 --> 00:55:43,438 ♪ Then make it worse ♪ 759 00:55:43,521 --> 00:55:45,855 ♪ Go on and hit me in the heart ♪ 760 00:55:45,938 --> 00:55:47,771 ♪ Hit me where it hurts ♪ 761 00:55:47,855 --> 00:55:49,396 ♪ Go on and hit me in the ♪ 762 00:55:49,479 --> 00:55:53,312 ♪ Bullseye, dead end, moving target ♪ 763 00:55:53,396 --> 00:55:57,604 ♪ Carousel, carousel, Baggage, claim it ♪ 764 00:55:57,688 --> 00:56:01,688 ♪ Promise one day you will hate me ♪ 765 00:56:01,771 --> 00:56:03,855 ♪ But right now just ride it out ♪ 766 00:56:03,938 --> 00:56:05,855 ♪ Ride it out, ride it out ♪ 767 00:56:05,938 --> 00:56:09,771 ♪ Magic carpet, over London ♪ 768 00:56:09,855 --> 00:56:12,104 ♪ Through the ceiling ♪ 769 00:56:12,187 --> 00:56:14,062 ♪ Watch you dreaming ♪ 770 00:56:14,146 --> 00:56:17,980 ♪ Promise one day you will hate me ♪ 771 00:56:18,062 --> 00:56:20,688 ♪ But right now just ride it out, ride it out ♪ 772 00:56:20,771 --> 00:56:24,521 ♪ I'm feeling like a butterfly trapped inside a plane ♪ 773 00:56:24,604 --> 00:56:27,062 ♪ Maybe there's something going on ♪ 774 00:56:27,146 --> 00:56:28,771 ♪ I'm not insane ♪ 775 00:56:28,855 --> 00:56:31,312 ♪ If I'm already out of time ♪ 776 00:56:31,396 --> 00:56:32,813 ♪ Then make it worse ♪ 777 00:56:32,896 --> 00:56:34,980 ♪ Go on and hit me in the heart ♪ 778 00:56:35,062 --> 00:56:36,896 ♪ Hit me where it hurts ♪ 779 00:56:36,980 --> 00:56:38,563 ♪ Go on and hit me in the ♪ 780 00:56:38,646 --> 00:56:40,855 ♪ Blind spot, Achilles heel... ♪ 58322

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