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Where's your keys? Good.
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You cross the border?
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Yes?
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What is that, "¿Crossa la frontera?"
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- Cruza.
- ¿Cruza?
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- Okay, see? I'll say "crossa."
- Cross the border?
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Yeah, I go, "¿Crossa la frontera?"
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And they'll go, "Si."
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And I go, "Oh, illegal."
That's it. That's all I need to know.
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Crossed the border, he's illegal.
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The frontier, though, right?
It's not like the border. La frontera.
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- Is that like...
- "La frontera" is "the border."
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- Oh, it is?
- Yeah.
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It doesn't mean, like, the EWI?
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No, you just asked the guy
if he crossed the border.
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- See, Sean?
- Oh, my God!
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How long have you worked
for Immigration, dude?
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I'm really worried
about the people you arrested, man.
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And then I go, "Illegal or legal?"
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And they go, "Illegal."
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- Okay, yeah, you got that right.
- Yeah.
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I'm looking for them to nod their head.
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How many we catch every day?
It just depends.
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- Is there seasons?
- What's that?
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- There seasons, like...?
- No, it just depends.
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Depends. You know.
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I mean, what brought you
to our attention was
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you were arrested
for driving under the influence...
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- Yeah, yeah.
- And then they let you go,
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- Uh-huh.
- Which normally...
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you know, they wouldn't have done that.
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'Cause I know the sheriff,
he signed cancellation of the...
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- The program, 287.
- The program, 287.
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Yeah, they changed policies now, so...
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- I know. I know.
- We had to come find you.
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There's a lot of fear right now
to talk publicly about our situations.
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And what I thought we could begin with is
what the ICE threats are
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and how we can move forward from this.
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Sean Gallagher, the field office director
of ICE, said
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that they're gonna increase the presence
in the community.
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With 287 gone,
were relieved because we thought,
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"Okay, they are just focusing
on criminals."
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But then we realized
they were taking everybody away.
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Honest, hard-working families
started going down.
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I'd be lying
if I said I don't feel concerned,
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but I also feel hopeful
about what we can do together
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to try to combat these issues.
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So, I've been tracking ICE backlash
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in counties where 287
or ICE affiliation has ended.
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We are gonna project
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that something's gonna happen
in the next couple of weeks.
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I think ICE is gonna do
exactly what they said they were gonna do.
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It's just as far as being prepared,
have eyes in all of those different places
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so that we know when stuff is going down.
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Sort of like ICE Watch Network.
Whatever the heck you want to call it.
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Defrost.
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Yeah, I think...
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Right. Operation Defrost.
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Did I tell you that ICE
showed up to the CMPD event?
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You didn't tell me
what they did when they were there.
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Nothing. They just sat there.
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It was billed as a meeting
to bridge the gap between law enforcement
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and an immigrant community often living
in the shadow of distrust
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with Charlotte-Mecklenburg's police chief
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and Mecklenburg County's new sheriff
both taking questions about ICE
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and the 287 program
that officially ended here on Wednesday.
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We were there, and we noticed
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two people who seemed to be out of place.
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They were ICE agents.
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He just, like,
is tracking me across this room,
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trying to figure out where I'm going,
who I'm talking to, what I'm saying.
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I wasn't sure if I walked out the door,
if they were gonna go and get me,
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or if they were gonna get
some other community members.
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So it was a scary moment.
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Can I ask you a couple of questions?
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- No.
- No?
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- I'm not here to answer questions.
- So, you're just as...
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I'm a concerned citizen
just like anybody else.
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I went as a citizen of Mecklenburg County.
I didn't... you know what I mean?
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- Concerned citizen.
- Yeah, I'm very concerned.
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I didn't say...
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They were were upset, 'cause we didn't...
They had some questions...
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about our plans.
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What did you learn tonight here?
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I learned that Mecklenburg County
is not as safe as it was.
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They were concerned
that ICE would ramp up activities,
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you know, because they got out
of the 287 program.
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And...
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Of course, we're gonna ramp up activities.
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Approaching.
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Was that him?
I was just trying to locate him.
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- Yeah, that's him.
- Go get him.
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We currently have eight arrest
teams actively hunting in the field,
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approximately six transport teams.
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There's at least 50 officers
in this operation this week.
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We kind of fish with a net.
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They don't honor our detainers,
and we're forced to fish with a net.
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You're looking for one guy,
and he's in a van full of painters,
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and they're all going to work
in the morning,
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and they all turn out not
to have any status,
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everybody in the van gets arrested.
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Well, this is a reaction,
what you're seeing today.
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All right.
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Guys, this way.
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All right, have a seat right here.
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You, here.
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All right, gentlemen,
if you guys got belts...
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If you have belts, please take them off.
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Also take the laces off of your shoes.
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Okay.
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Hey, Eric, did we hit 40?
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Did we hit 40?
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- Forty-one.
- Forty-one?
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So, yeah, you need to get back in
and pick me up.
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We're going back out.
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- You need help with that?
- I'm just gonna tell them one each.
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Pass it out. One burrito each.
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Yeah, put it in the pile, okay?
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'Cause remember,
we've have six o'clock bus,
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and everyone's gotta be on it.
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Take it off.
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All right. Nice piece of work.
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- Hello.
- Mama.
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What's up, son?
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Tell Jennifer I won't
be able to pick up the girl
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because Immigration arrested me
and Javier.
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Oh.
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- Okay? Don't go to the house, Mommy.
- Okay.
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Okay, I'm here at home.
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Okay, get out of there.
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- Okay, bye.
- Bye.
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Bye.
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- Thank you, sir.
- No problem.
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How long you been here?
You speak good English.
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- I been here 14 years, 15.
- Wow.
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Yeah, bitch, I speak English.
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My last stop, one of the guys
goes, "What are you doing?"
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I said, "You're under arrest."
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"What am I under arrest for?"
I said, "You're here illegally."
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He goes, "You can't arrest us
for being here illegally anymore."
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I said, "Really? Watch this."
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"You can't arrest us
for being here illegally anymore."
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They told me at a press conference
that this is a sanctuary place,
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"and you're not allowed
to arrest me anymore."
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They did?
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They lied to you.
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So, they're thinking
that we're the locals.
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You know what I mean?
They don't realize that we're Immigration,
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so they think we're the locals.
So, what we do is...
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They're like,
"You can't arrest us anymore."
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And we're like, "Oh, really?"
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I don't have any problems.
I have kids and a wife.
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I was headed to work.
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But they don't care about anything.
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I've been here for 16 years,
and I've never had any problems.
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It's gonna be about 31 there,
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and then Charlotte is sitting at about 39.
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Yeah, I wanted...
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I wanted 100.
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Charlotte,
as a metropolitan area,
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has been growing by leaps and bounds.
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One out of every six workers now
in this area is not a US citizen.
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The illegal migration
to the North Carolina area
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has been going on since the 1990s
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when we had major hurricane damage
to the state,
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and with the reconstruction industry
brought in a lot of job opportunities,
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and after those folks finished,
they liked it, and they decided to stay.
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Powerful hurricane
Michael is making landfall
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in the Florida Panhandle
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as Panama City braces
for this category four storm.
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Well, right now,
there's no intact houses that I can...
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Well, one.
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Pretty much all the houses
are missing roofs, siding...
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And, Patricia, when you look out
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at the devastation outside your window,
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is this something that you think
will take weeks, months, years to fix?
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I would have to say
it could be even years.
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First three or four days was just a blur.
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Getting the generators,
keeping the generators going,
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getting something fixed up for us.
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And then I guess you set in,
and you start saying,
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- "Well, what did we just go through?"
- What do we do?
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We lost so many people here in town...
from the storm and all.
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I just don't think
our workforce was here to handle It.
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Just don't think we had the people here
that would handle the situation.
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So we needed help. Yes, we needed help.
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All I can say is
I've been seeing a lot of Mexicans.
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Whether or not they're legal or illegal,
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as long as they give me a quality work,
they gotta live too.
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I welcome them.
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But in the back of my mind,
I hate to say, but...
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I could probably ask each one of them
to see their green card,
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and I don't know if they got it or not.
I don't care.
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That's the company. That's their problem.
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All I want is a quality job.
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I want my house where it don't leak,
where I can live comfortable.
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It's just like your farm workers
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and your ones that work the orchards
and all.
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When the season is in
for that particular crop,
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that's where they go to.
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When that's done,
they move to another area
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that might have
another crop of stuff coming in.
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You know, they...
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That's the way they live.
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But I gotta admit.
They are out there working.
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They're doing jobs sometimes
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that I'd say
us American's don't want to do.
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In Bay County, where we are now,
contractors have been difficult to find.
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How many? How many?
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After the storm, we had an influx
of Hispanic workers
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who came in to do the construction work
because that's what they do.
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They follow these storms
and disasters around.
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That's how they make their living.
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I think, right now,
most people are happy to see them here
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because they're getting the work done.
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You're in probably one
of the most conservative areas
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of the country.
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President Trump came to Panama City Beach
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to see the damage and the recovery efforts
from the devastation of Hurricane Michael.
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Bay County turned out huge
for Trump in the 2016 election,
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and they are clearly still big supporters
of his.
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They wanna fly the flag of Guatemala
and Honduras and El Salvador
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right into our border.
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I mean,
when you have 15,000 people marching up,
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how do you stop these people?
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"Shoot them!"
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That's only in the panhandle
you can get away with that stuff.
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Only in the panhandle.
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Undocumented immigrants,
here as part of the rebuilding efforts,
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were doing their job hanging Sheetrock,
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and the police who called ICE on them
were doing their job.
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At this intersection
is where this disagreement begins.
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There's a lot of people here
from the Mexican race.
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I wish they'd get legal and come to work,
'cause the place needs it.
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But, you know,
not everybody wants to play by the rules.
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If you want to come to America,
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come in through the door instead
of crawling through the window.
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Hey...
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they gotta do what they gotta do,
but I mean...
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if they get caught, it's their own fault.
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- What kind of work? What kind of work?
- Huh?
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My boss man told me
to come get a person to come work.
243
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Saket Soni.
Pleasure to meet you.
244
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We are from
an organization called Resilience Force
245
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helping with people's rights,
246
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but our main goal is to try
and help recover people's money
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lost through wage theft.
248
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So, he's owed $1,590.
249
00:16:00,751 --> 00:16:02,711
And there are messages back and forth
250
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between you and the contractor, right?
251
00:16:04,588 --> 00:16:07,800
"Finish the job,
or I'll call the police," he said.
252
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He's saying,
253
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"You're very problematic.
When I get paid, I'll pay you,
254
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or we could just decide
I can call the police on you."
255
00:16:15,683 --> 00:16:18,602
You've texted him,
and he hasn't responded.
256
00:16:18,686 --> 00:16:23,065
So, ideally, we and you can go together
to get the money.
257
00:16:24,692 --> 00:16:28,237
Did you live here in the parking lot out
of your car? Mm-hmm.
258
00:16:29,530 --> 00:16:31,407
- This is where you sleep, huh?
- Yeah.
259
00:16:32,241 --> 00:16:35,911
And how long have you been here
in Panama City?
260
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- When the hurricane come...
- Mm-hmm.
261
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We come in the next two weeks.
262
00:16:50,634 --> 00:16:53,262
- So this is the home that you rebuilt?
- Yeah.
263
00:16:53,345 --> 00:16:54,722
- This one here?
- Yeah.
264
00:17:00,644 --> 00:17:02,855
Who are you guys? Huh?
265
00:17:03,522 --> 00:17:04,523
Who are you guys?
266
00:17:04,606 --> 00:17:06,692
- Who are you?
- I'm the contractor.
267
00:17:07,234 --> 00:17:09,069
- What's your name?
- Are you the contractor?
268
00:17:09,153 --> 00:17:10,487
- Yeah.
- Okay.
269
00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,949
I know you hung the drywall,
but it's horrible.
270
00:17:14,033 --> 00:17:16,076
Like, I've never seen such bad work.
271
00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:18,245
- Would you guys agree with that?
- The mud...
272
00:17:18,328 --> 00:17:20,330
Would you guys agree
with that assessment or...
273
00:17:20,414 --> 00:17:22,875
Go look. You go look right now! Go look.
274
00:17:26,211 --> 00:17:28,172
Okay, let's backtrack a little bit.
275
00:17:28,255 --> 00:17:31,425
These workers did work here
and weren't paid one cent.
276
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And ultimately, the law is that,
as a general contractor,
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we go up the chain.
Ultimately, you are responsible.
278
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The work's not done right.
Sue me!
279
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I'll destroy you. Come at me.
280
00:17:42,311 --> 00:17:44,897
Joe, you know about drywall, right?
281
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I know enough to know
this wasn't great work.
282
00:17:47,566 --> 00:17:50,527
- So we should trust you, right?
- What are you asking?
283
00:17:50,611 --> 00:17:54,156
I'm saying we know about wage theft
and the laws in Florida.
284
00:18:04,833 --> 00:18:06,376
So did you just say
285
00:18:06,460 --> 00:18:09,630
that these men did the work,
and you're not gonna pay them?
286
00:18:09,713 --> 00:18:11,215
Is that what you just said?
287
00:18:12,591 --> 00:18:15,677
- Did you just say that you don't...
- No, I didn't say that at all.
288
00:18:15,761 --> 00:18:17,513
Did you say Gino worked for you?
289
00:18:17,596 --> 00:18:20,099
You know what?
I will work something out with you.
290
00:18:20,182 --> 00:18:21,642
So, what can we work out?
291
00:18:21,725 --> 00:18:23,769
To work on
getting these guys something.
292
00:18:24,478 --> 00:18:25,562
Okay, great.
293
00:18:26,146 --> 00:18:27,146
Who are you?
294
00:18:32,694 --> 00:18:35,489
¿Cómo estás? Saket Soni.
295
00:18:36,281 --> 00:18:38,992
We're with an organization
that represents the workers.
296
00:18:39,076 --> 00:18:41,554
You're gonna pay these workers,
though, right, at the end of the day?
297
00:18:41,578 --> 00:18:43,058
- Of course.
- All right. That's good.
298
00:18:43,122 --> 00:18:43,997
Come on, man!
299
00:18:44,081 --> 00:18:46,184
No, there's so many people out there
who's not paying.
300
00:18:46,208 --> 00:18:50,045
We started working
in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina.
301
00:18:50,254 --> 00:18:54,800
But now we go to disaster areas
around the country.
302
00:18:56,135 --> 00:18:59,388
We came here to tell you
that you do have rights,
303
00:18:59,471 --> 00:19:01,765
even if you are undocumented.
304
00:19:01,849 --> 00:19:04,560
They picked up someone here,
the police did...
305
00:19:04,643 --> 00:19:06,523
- Mm-hmm.
- For standing here looking for work.
306
00:19:06,603 --> 00:19:09,314
What the police is doing
is arresting people
307
00:19:09,398 --> 00:19:11,525
and then transferring them to ICE custody.
308
00:19:11,608 --> 00:19:14,278
We want to have
a meeting with all the workers
309
00:19:14,361 --> 00:19:16,864
because we want to create a group.
310
00:19:17,781 --> 00:19:21,702
Raise your hand if you worked
after Hurricane Andrew.
311
00:19:23,745 --> 00:19:27,457
Many of you worked after Hurricane Katrina
in New Orleans, right?
312
00:19:27,541 --> 00:19:30,419
What about Hurricane Ike?
What about Hurricane Sandy?
313
00:19:32,546 --> 00:19:33,964
Irma, Florida?
314
00:19:35,757 --> 00:19:37,593
Right now, we have people who say,
315
00:19:37,676 --> 00:19:42,431
"Well, we don't want the undocumented
in our neighborhoods, in our cities.
316
00:19:42,931 --> 00:19:44,892
It's okay if they fix our roofs."
317
00:19:46,018 --> 00:19:48,353
What are the things we have in common?
318
00:19:48,437 --> 00:19:49,897
Work accidents.
319
00:19:49,980 --> 00:19:51,481
Work accidents.
320
00:19:51,565 --> 00:19:54,401
- Work mistreatment.
- Work mistreatment, okay.
321
00:19:54,484 --> 00:19:56,236
- Discrimination.
- Discrimination.
322
00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:57,863
They didn't pay us.
323
00:19:57,946 --> 00:20:04,328
That's why I'm here,
and I want to be part of your group.
324
00:20:05,078 --> 00:20:08,165
We have to convince Florida
we want the freedom to work.
325
00:20:08,248 --> 00:20:10,375
We want the liberty to get to our job.
326
00:20:10,459 --> 00:20:14,963
And it's possible to win that,
but we have to have organization.
327
00:20:15,047 --> 00:20:16,381
ICE is an organization.
328
00:20:17,382 --> 00:20:21,595
The government of Bay County
is an organization.
329
00:20:22,346 --> 00:20:25,182
So we are not going to be able
to get what we want
330
00:20:25,265 --> 00:20:27,184
unless we are an organization.
331
00:20:28,685 --> 00:20:30,687
We won't be able to get anything alone.
332
00:20:31,605 --> 00:20:35,359
If you agree strongly
with this goal of building organization,
333
00:20:38,111 --> 00:20:40,197
then I would invite you all to stand up.
334
00:20:53,919 --> 00:20:56,880
How many houses,
in total, did they not pay you for?
335
00:20:56,964 --> 00:20:57,964
Four in total.
336
00:20:58,423 --> 00:21:02,135
So, let's just understand
what happened.
337
00:21:02,219 --> 00:21:05,472
He said we needed
to finish the job, and then they will pay.
338
00:21:06,181 --> 00:21:07,933
- Hmm.
- I didn't trust him already,
339
00:21:08,016 --> 00:21:10,560
but I told my men to finish
because we were stuck.
340
00:21:10,644 --> 00:21:12,938
"Let's finish and see what happens."
341
00:21:13,272 --> 00:21:16,483
We finished,
and then the problems started.
342
00:21:17,276 --> 00:21:21,738
What hurts the most
is my workers suffered badly.
343
00:21:22,197 --> 00:21:24,783
We are talking about $9,000
that I owe other people.
344
00:21:25,993 --> 00:21:29,788
That is what hurts,
that I owe the workers.
345
00:21:29,913 --> 00:21:35,210
That's why we all need
to tell Tommy what happened.
346
00:21:37,004 --> 00:21:41,675
I took him to a lawyer we know
to talk about his case.
347
00:21:41,758 --> 00:21:43,260
When the lawyer saw Tommy's name,
348
00:21:43,343 --> 00:21:46,138
he went to the back
to talk to his colleagues. Remember?
349
00:21:46,221 --> 00:21:49,141
And then he told us,
"This man, Tommy, is untouchable."
350
00:21:49,850 --> 00:21:54,146
It was already complicated
because of who he is.
351
00:21:54,271 --> 00:21:56,773
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
352
00:21:56,898 --> 00:21:58,317
He cannot be touched.
353
00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,695
He can't be touched
because he is a public figure.
354
00:22:02,404 --> 00:22:05,407
It's important
to understand who Tommy Hamm is.
355
00:22:05,490 --> 00:22:08,452
They experienced him
as the owner of the company,
356
00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,538
but he's also a county commissioner.
357
00:22:11,621 --> 00:22:13,665
I'm Tommy Hamm,
and I approve this message.
358
00:22:13,749 --> 00:22:16,585
My family has lived in Bay County
for five generations.
359
00:22:17,169 --> 00:22:18,754
I'm a husband, a father,
360
00:22:18,837 --> 00:22:21,089
and I make my living
as a custom home builder.
361
00:22:21,506 --> 00:22:23,842
As a business owner,
I must live within my means
362
00:22:23,925 --> 00:22:25,886
and provide value
to the homeowners that hire me
363
00:22:25,969 --> 00:22:27,969
by doing things right
and doing what I say I'll do.
364
00:22:29,473 --> 00:22:32,142
I have sent him emails to his company.
365
00:22:32,225 --> 00:22:35,187
I sent emails to his public email.
366
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:37,189
I copied his secretary.
367
00:22:37,272 --> 00:22:38,607
Absolutely no response.
368
00:22:50,410 --> 00:22:52,621
This is not an isolated incident.
369
00:22:53,038 --> 00:22:56,750
We know of other workers
that have worked under Winterfell
370
00:22:56,833 --> 00:22:58,752
that have also been victims of wage theft.
371
00:23:12,682 --> 00:23:14,476
Workers have come to us
372
00:23:14,559 --> 00:23:19,689
and asked us to visit addresses.
373
00:23:20,982 --> 00:23:22,401
That's why we came to you.
374
00:23:22,484 --> 00:23:25,278
Where did you find
the contractor? How did you hear about...
375
00:23:25,362 --> 00:23:27,572
- Oh, the contractor?
- Uh-huh.
376
00:23:27,656 --> 00:23:29,783
It's Tommy Hamm in...
377
00:23:30,659 --> 00:23:32,411
- Lynn Haven. He's a commissioner.
- Yeah.
378
00:23:33,078 --> 00:23:35,247
Unfortunately,
there's many waves of workers
379
00:23:35,330 --> 00:23:37,874
who are telling us that Tommy didn't pay.
380
00:23:37,958 --> 00:23:40,919
They didn't get paid.
They did not get paid.
381
00:23:41,002 --> 00:23:43,672
I've had very good luck
with all the workers, very good luck.
382
00:23:43,755 --> 00:23:46,174
- Good. That's great.
- Nothing bad to say about 'em.
383
00:23:46,258 --> 00:23:48,260
Do you have their contact information?
384
00:23:50,971 --> 00:23:57,227
Many workers were
not paid by the same company.
385
00:23:57,310 --> 00:23:58,603
We wanted to know,
386
00:23:58,687 --> 00:24:03,275
are you one of the workers
who haven't been paid?
387
00:24:03,442 --> 00:24:05,235
Correct. That's right.
388
00:24:05,318 --> 00:24:09,739
For how long...
Actually, who did you work for?
389
00:24:11,241 --> 00:24:12,951
Winterfell.
390
00:24:13,034 --> 00:24:14,286
Winterfell, okay.
391
00:24:14,369 --> 00:24:17,956
How long did you work for them?
392
00:24:18,039 --> 00:24:19,249
Two months.
393
00:24:19,332 --> 00:24:23,003
Two months. And in those two months,
did they pay you?
394
00:24:23,086 --> 00:24:24,087
No.
395
00:24:24,171 --> 00:24:26,423
In two months,
they did not pay you anything?
396
00:24:26,506 --> 00:24:28,925
They gave me a fake check.
397
00:24:45,358 --> 00:24:46,359
Hello.
398
00:24:46,776 --> 00:24:48,403
And what intersection was this?
399
00:24:51,865 --> 00:24:54,659
Okay, I have to let you go
'cause my phone is the hotline.
400
00:24:54,743 --> 00:24:56,161
I just got a call right now
401
00:24:56,244 --> 00:24:59,080
from somebody probably
who was in front of ICE.
402
00:25:00,165 --> 00:25:02,209
Signal. Boy, I tell y'all.
403
00:25:02,876 --> 00:25:04,794
Something must be poppin' in the city.
404
00:25:04,878 --> 00:25:06,713
Try to limit going out.
405
00:25:08,256 --> 00:25:13,386
Also, if you can, buy the food you need
and stay home
406
00:25:13,470 --> 00:25:15,597
because we are getting reports that...
407
00:25:16,389 --> 00:25:20,810
We have verified reports that
ICE is stopping people at gas stations
408
00:25:21,603 --> 00:25:22,979
or driving down the street.
409
00:25:24,731 --> 00:25:25,732
Be careful.
410
00:25:28,902 --> 00:25:30,779
You could hear the fear in her voice.
411
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,043
Be careful because we got a report
412
00:25:45,126 --> 00:25:48,004
that ICE is doing operations
around the state.
413
00:25:48,088 --> 00:25:49,339
Be careful.
414
00:25:49,756 --> 00:25:52,676
You don't have to talk with them.
Take care.
415
00:26:07,899 --> 00:26:09,276
What you got, brother?
416
00:26:10,235 --> 00:26:11,403
Hey, what's going on?
417
00:26:11,486 --> 00:26:15,073
We got three that came out
of the target address.
418
00:26:15,740 --> 00:26:17,492
All three in the country illegally.
419
00:26:18,159 --> 00:26:19,452
We already got six right now.
420
00:26:19,536 --> 00:26:21,705
- Six total already? Plus these?
- Six right now. Yeah.
421
00:26:21,788 --> 00:26:24,541
- That's awesome.
- That's nine with Mr. Francis.
422
00:26:25,959 --> 00:26:27,043
It's ICE?
423
00:26:28,044 --> 00:26:30,463
Okay, can you hang up
and just start recording?
424
00:26:35,635 --> 00:26:36,761
This is them right now.
425
00:26:36,845 --> 00:26:39,097
Excuse me, sir,
but it is against North Carolina law
426
00:26:39,180 --> 00:26:41,409
for you to stop in the middle of a roadway
and obstruct traffic.
427
00:26:41,433 --> 00:26:42,873
So you can either move your vehicle,
428
00:26:42,934 --> 00:26:45,037
or I'll have the Charlotte-Mecklenburg
Police come out here and cite you.
429
00:26:45,061 --> 00:26:47,141
- I can move the vehicle.
- That's a great idea, sir.
430
00:26:47,188 --> 00:26:49,149
Can you ask them to identify themselves?
431
00:26:49,566 --> 00:26:51,943
They tell me I'm obstructing.
432
00:26:53,403 --> 00:26:55,843
He wants to record,
so let's wrap them up and get out of here.
433
00:26:56,531 --> 00:26:57,616
Oh, okay.
434
00:27:01,369 --> 00:27:02,369
That's them.
435
00:27:04,873 --> 00:27:06,541
Hi, everybody. I'm here documenting
436
00:27:06,625 --> 00:27:09,336
that we've received reports
of people being detained...
437
00:27:10,837 --> 00:27:12,255
as you can see.
438
00:27:15,300 --> 00:27:17,719
You have the right to remain silent.
439
00:27:18,011 --> 00:27:19,804
You don't have to speak with ICE.
440
00:27:19,888 --> 00:27:21,264
Jeremy for Bob.
441
00:27:21,931 --> 00:27:23,933
You don't have to sign any documents
442
00:27:24,017 --> 00:27:25,935
and are entitled to a lawyer.
443
00:27:26,186 --> 00:27:27,729
Do not give them your fingerprints,
444
00:27:27,812 --> 00:27:30,440
and you have the right
to speak to a lawyer.
445
00:27:31,650 --> 00:27:35,862
The fact they can speak to you in Spanish
doesn't mean you have to talk with them.
446
00:27:36,321 --> 00:27:38,406
Hey, Bob,
we got three in custody up here
447
00:27:38,490 --> 00:27:39,866
at Sharon Amity Central.
448
00:27:39,949 --> 00:27:41,701
We've got camera crews
following us around.
449
00:27:41,785 --> 00:27:43,465
We're getting ready to killer out of here.
450
00:27:44,579 --> 00:27:46,331
And then we also have here...
451
00:27:46,665 --> 00:27:50,126
two vehicles, also undercover.
452
00:27:51,836 --> 00:27:52,921
All right, 10-4.
453
00:27:53,004 --> 00:27:54,684
Don't go back
to any more target addresses.
454
00:27:55,882 --> 00:27:57,509
Be careful, folks.
455
00:27:57,592 --> 00:28:00,053
"La Migra" is here,
and we're going to follow them.
456
00:28:00,136 --> 00:28:01,136
Follow them.
457
00:28:02,055 --> 00:28:03,473
All right, 10-4. Be careful.
458
00:28:09,771 --> 00:28:14,150
We don't know where they are taking them.
459
00:28:14,234 --> 00:28:17,112
If anybody saw anything, let us know.
460
00:28:18,405 --> 00:28:20,281
Hey, Bob, this is copy.
461
00:28:20,365 --> 00:28:22,659
There's some Facebook live stuff going on.
462
00:28:22,742 --> 00:28:23,742
All right, 10-4.
463
00:28:26,621 --> 00:28:27,831
Billy, how's it going?
464
00:28:28,623 --> 00:28:30,792
- Things are getting heated.
- Okay.
465
00:28:31,584 --> 00:28:33,503
- Hey, Dave, how are you?
- What's up?
466
00:28:33,586 --> 00:28:34,504
Hey, just an update.
467
00:28:34,587 --> 00:28:36,547
There's a lot more attention
today than yesterday.
468
00:28:36,589 --> 00:28:38,550
We just ran
into our first full-on camera crew,
469
00:28:39,092 --> 00:28:42,595
and she's hollering in Spanish
about attorneys and rights,
470
00:28:42,679 --> 00:28:46,057
and we basically just got them
into a vehicle as quick as we could
471
00:28:46,141 --> 00:28:47,141
and cleared the area.
472
00:28:51,646 --> 00:28:54,441
Okay, people,
I'm at CVS on Central Avenue.
473
00:28:54,524 --> 00:28:57,193
If anything happens, you know where I am.
474
00:28:57,444 --> 00:29:00,447
You know what to do if I need help.
475
00:29:03,742 --> 00:29:06,870
Now place your right arm
on your head and don't move.
476
00:29:09,330 --> 00:29:11,458
Camera! Camera, guys.
477
00:29:12,459 --> 00:29:14,711
They are detaining a comrade.
478
00:29:14,794 --> 00:29:17,547
They have a van
where they are putting people.
479
00:29:18,548 --> 00:29:20,300
Hey, is this an operation
480
00:29:20,383 --> 00:29:22,719
- with ICE and the US Marshals?
- Jeremy, Bob.
481
00:29:23,887 --> 00:29:26,055
What type of operation is this?
482
00:29:26,139 --> 00:29:27,699
- I can't tell you.
- You can't tell me?
483
00:29:27,724 --> 00:29:29,434
- Nope.
- Well, you're undercover,
484
00:29:29,517 --> 00:29:31,997
so we're just trying to make sure
we know who's on our streets.
485
00:29:33,188 --> 00:29:34,188
You are right now.
486
00:29:34,230 --> 00:29:36,357
Well, I'm a resident
of Mecklenburg County,
487
00:29:36,441 --> 00:29:38,526
so I can be on the streets where I live.
488
00:29:39,277 --> 00:29:40,320
Jeremy, Bob.
489
00:29:41,863 --> 00:29:44,574
Obviously,
they don't want us to know who they are.
490
00:29:44,657 --> 00:29:46,618
We are trying to see
where they are taking people.
491
00:29:46,701 --> 00:29:47,952
They have two cars.
492
00:29:49,746 --> 00:29:51,873
For those who are just joining us...
493
00:29:52,749 --> 00:29:54,417
Oh, there's another one!
494
00:29:55,627 --> 00:29:56,669
Fuck!
495
00:29:57,045 --> 00:29:59,589
Fuck! They're blocking us.
Do you see that?
496
00:29:59,672 --> 00:30:01,800
They're blocking us right now
from following them.
497
00:30:05,553 --> 00:30:08,056
Yeah, they got a lot
of Facebook video of us today.
498
00:30:08,139 --> 00:30:09,265
Yeah.
499
00:30:09,349 --> 00:30:11,810
- Good morning, sir?
- How are you?
500
00:30:11,935 --> 00:30:15,021
Till we get everybody
on the box, we don't know what we have...
501
00:30:15,104 --> 00:30:17,899
What about crim/non-crim
or target vs. Non-target?
502
00:30:18,024 --> 00:30:21,319
It's a high percentage of non-target.
503
00:30:22,487 --> 00:30:23,655
We'll run a report later.
504
00:30:26,407 --> 00:30:27,968
This town's gonna go on lockdown tomorrow
505
00:30:27,992 --> 00:30:30,245
based off of all the Facebook stuff
that's out there.
506
00:30:30,328 --> 00:30:31,328
I mean, it's just...
507
00:30:31,371 --> 00:30:34,666
New stuff keeps popping up
every few seconds.
508
00:30:34,749 --> 00:30:37,335
- Hmm, I didn't see this one yet.
- What's going on?
509
00:30:37,418 --> 00:30:38,658
Boy, there's a lot of new ones.
510
00:30:39,212 --> 00:30:41,339
We're getting lots of reports
that stuff's going on.
511
00:30:41,422 --> 00:30:43,216
Are you guys doing an operation?
512
00:30:44,300 --> 00:30:46,010
There's somebody arrested.
513
00:30:46,094 --> 00:30:48,429
- He's not arrested.
- Well, he has handcuffs.
514
00:30:48,513 --> 00:30:51,516
He's in handcuffs for our safety.
He's not under arrest.
515
00:30:51,599 --> 00:30:53,601
He looks like a kid who's wearing sandals.
516
00:30:53,685 --> 00:30:56,729
- He's not under arrest.
- Okay.
517
00:30:56,813 --> 00:30:59,524
What are y'all...
Are y'all stopping a work van?
518
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,068
Go ahead and take...
519
00:31:05,238 --> 00:31:07,240
You don't have to talk to them.
520
00:31:07,323 --> 00:31:09,552
You have the right to remain silent
and the right to a lawyer.
521
00:31:09,576 --> 00:31:12,078
Back her up, man.
He didn't even back her up.
522
00:31:13,454 --> 00:31:15,206
I wanna make sure
people know their rights.
523
00:31:15,290 --> 00:31:17,667
I mean, it's really concerning
what's going on right here.
524
00:31:18,918 --> 00:31:19,918
Yeah, right?
525
00:31:20,253 --> 00:31:22,422
There's unmarked vehicles right now
526
00:31:23,006 --> 00:31:25,466
where people are being stopped.
527
00:31:26,134 --> 00:31:27,854
Are y'all driving
all throughout the city...
528
00:31:28,887 --> 00:31:32,807
with unlicensed plates
that don't have proper identification?
529
00:31:34,434 --> 00:31:36,394
- Do you have... could I have a card, sir?
- No.
530
00:31:36,477 --> 00:31:38,271
No? You don't talk to people
who reside here,
531
00:31:38,354 --> 00:31:40,189
who wanna know what y'all are doing?
532
00:31:41,733 --> 00:31:42,733
Do we have to?
533
00:31:44,027 --> 00:31:46,946
Better get out there and talk to people.
It's your fault.
534
00:31:50,742 --> 00:31:52,911
It's a van with people inside.
535
00:31:54,495 --> 00:31:56,331
Send us your reports.
536
00:31:57,540 --> 00:31:58,833
Let's stay alert.
537
00:32:03,338 --> 00:32:05,214
Oh, I'm a little shook.
538
00:32:05,298 --> 00:32:07,508
I'll be honest.
I was really scared right here.
539
00:32:08,176 --> 00:32:09,218
You never know.
540
00:32:11,220 --> 00:32:12,221
You never know.
541
00:32:23,983 --> 00:32:30,239
Guide us, Father,
so we can work in this city.
542
00:32:30,323 --> 00:32:33,284
We thank those who accept us
in their homes.
543
00:32:33,368 --> 00:32:36,287
We thank those who give us food.
544
00:32:36,371 --> 00:32:37,997
Thank you for the organizers
545
00:32:38,081 --> 00:32:43,419
and for everyone of us who comes to work.
We are tired, but we are here.
546
00:32:43,503 --> 00:32:45,630
Amen.
547
00:32:45,755 --> 00:32:48,800
¡Gracias!
548
00:32:52,095 --> 00:32:55,139
There are about 20 workers
that we are trying
549
00:32:55,223 --> 00:32:57,600
to get to meet with Tommy.
550
00:32:57,684 --> 00:32:59,102
I know more than 60.
551
00:32:59,185 --> 00:33:01,604
Did you ever work directly for Tommy?
552
00:33:03,272 --> 00:33:07,068
Yes, he was with us.
He even directed us.
553
00:33:07,151 --> 00:33:08,945
We even worked at his mother's house.
554
00:33:09,404 --> 00:33:11,572
He even worked at their mom's house.
555
00:33:11,656 --> 00:33:14,283
Have you worked out collectively
how much does he owe you?
556
00:33:14,367 --> 00:33:17,578
He owes me like $8,000
and change.
557
00:33:17,662 --> 00:33:21,624
He owes us $6,000 each.
558
00:33:22,208 --> 00:33:23,376
A lot of money.
559
00:33:23,876 --> 00:33:26,921
What happened to you
should never have happened to you.
560
00:33:28,464 --> 00:33:29,966
Because we trusted them.
561
00:33:30,049 --> 00:33:31,342
"Because we trusted them."
562
00:33:31,426 --> 00:33:34,012
Yeah, and they betrayed your trust.
563
00:33:34,095 --> 00:33:37,765
And we thought that in
the United States, this would not happen.
564
00:33:37,849 --> 00:33:39,600
I never imagined it.
565
00:33:40,018 --> 00:33:46,524
I came from Venezuela,
from a country with many conflicts.
566
00:33:46,649 --> 00:33:53,114
But I was hopeful that I could work here
and send money to my family back home.
567
00:33:54,365 --> 00:33:59,620
And what I ended up going through
is that they cheated us in a very big way.
568
00:33:59,704 --> 00:34:01,122
- Even her knee was injured.
- Yes.
569
00:34:01,205 --> 00:34:02,665
"I even hurt my knee."
570
00:34:04,250 --> 00:34:07,628
Their deceit was so strong.
571
00:34:07,712 --> 00:34:09,756
There are a number
of groups of workers
572
00:34:09,839 --> 00:34:11,591
who have exactly your problem...
573
00:34:14,677 --> 00:34:18,848
The story of Tommy Hamm and his company
is so complicated.
574
00:34:19,348 --> 00:34:22,935
And each time
we got a new piece of the puzzle,
575
00:34:23,019 --> 00:34:26,481
we realized how many pieces
of the puzzle we didn't have.
576
00:34:27,231 --> 00:34:28,107
And it turned out
577
00:34:28,191 --> 00:34:33,654
that Anna, Joel and Emilio
just held all these pieces to the puzzle.
578
00:34:34,655 --> 00:34:38,326
They knew the layers and layers
of the company.
579
00:34:38,951 --> 00:34:43,289
They had amassed on their phone cameras
all this evidence:
580
00:34:43,372 --> 00:34:47,627
Payroll records and receipts
and text messages.
581
00:34:55,218 --> 00:34:58,721
Each worker up until then
was holding a flashlight up
582
00:34:58,805 --> 00:35:01,891
to the little corner
of the company they understood.
583
00:35:02,558 --> 00:35:04,894
And then Joel just turned the lights on.
584
00:35:06,354 --> 00:35:10,733
This is supposedly
where Winterfell started...
585
00:35:11,442 --> 00:35:12,568
with Tommy.
586
00:35:12,652 --> 00:35:15,988
He helped us understand
the structure of the organization,
587
00:35:16,072 --> 00:35:17,824
the people who were involved,
588
00:35:17,907 --> 00:35:21,202
who was responsible for what
and accountable to whom.
589
00:35:21,327 --> 00:35:23,704
This is the company that we represented.
590
00:35:24,997 --> 00:35:30,002
And I say "represented,"
because they made us wear company vests.
591
00:35:31,254 --> 00:35:34,841
We identified as Winterfell employees
to the folks we worked with.
592
00:35:34,924 --> 00:35:38,511
But how did Tommy supervise you
in that house?
593
00:35:38,594 --> 00:35:43,224
He came and told us how
he wanted things, what design he wanted.
594
00:35:44,142 --> 00:35:49,063
Many times, we took advantage
to tell him something was wrong.
595
00:35:49,147 --> 00:35:51,274
- You would tell him?
- Yes.
596
00:35:51,357 --> 00:35:52,441
What would you tell him?
597
00:35:52,525 --> 00:35:57,363
That we didn't have food,
and we hadn't been paid.
598
00:35:57,446 --> 00:36:02,869
He said he had nothing to do with it,
and it was Tino's responsibility.
599
00:36:11,711 --> 00:36:15,131
So he brings in
these shell companies, subcontractors.
600
00:36:15,673 --> 00:36:17,884
Tommy is blaming the shell companies.
601
00:36:17,967 --> 00:36:19,844
The shell companies are blaming Tommy,
602
00:36:19,927 --> 00:36:22,221
and in the middle,
there's still no more money,
603
00:36:22,305 --> 00:36:23,598
and they're not getting paid.
604
00:36:31,689 --> 00:36:33,107
Tommy's a small businessman.
605
00:36:33,566 --> 00:36:38,362
After a disaster, he quickly turns around
and gets into empire building.
606
00:36:38,988 --> 00:36:44,577
And he realizes the best way to do that is
to use immigrant labor.
607
00:36:45,203 --> 00:36:48,998
All the houses
we worked at had a Winterfell sign,
608
00:36:49,081 --> 00:36:51,500
all of us were immigrants.
609
00:36:51,584 --> 00:36:52,585
All of us.
610
00:36:54,879 --> 00:36:57,632
He's happy to use
immigrant labor. He's happy to use it
611
00:36:58,049 --> 00:37:01,677
until the immigrants themselves
wanna hold him accountable.
612
00:37:01,761 --> 00:37:03,471
I went to the police
to file a report
613
00:37:03,554 --> 00:37:06,015
about the bounced check from his company.
614
00:37:06,098 --> 00:37:10,728
The first days,
the police communicated with me.
615
00:37:10,811 --> 00:37:12,605
The police officer called me.
616
00:37:12,688 --> 00:37:14,774
He said he would investigate.
617
00:37:15,566 --> 00:37:18,402
After a few weeks, he stopped calling me.
618
00:37:18,486 --> 00:37:21,072
I would call him to try to reach him
and nothing.
619
00:37:22,949 --> 00:37:26,285
Tommy threatens
immigration action against these workers.
620
00:37:26,369 --> 00:37:29,664
He tells them
that if health inspectors come,
621
00:37:29,747 --> 00:37:31,499
then Immigration will come with them.
622
00:37:34,418 --> 00:37:36,629
When you put all these pieces together,
623
00:37:36,712 --> 00:37:38,923
it seemed like this was a company
624
00:37:39,006 --> 00:37:43,886
whose business model was built
on a pattern of abuse.
625
00:37:44,804 --> 00:37:48,182
That environment of fear is actually
by design.
626
00:37:50,726 --> 00:37:53,521
On the surface,
it started with four or five workers.
627
00:37:53,604 --> 00:37:55,940
By the end,
it was more than 100 workers.
628
00:37:56,023 --> 00:38:00,861
That little wage theft case
just kept getting bigger and bigger,
629
00:38:00,945 --> 00:38:05,157
and those are exactly the kinds
of deliberate fleecing of workers
630
00:38:05,241 --> 00:38:08,953
that we want to try to expose
and take apart.
631
00:38:18,921 --> 00:38:22,758
So it seems like this is a pattern.
What happened to you has happened before.
632
00:38:25,511 --> 00:38:27,305
Tommy Hamm hasn't paid you.
633
00:38:27,722 --> 00:38:31,350
That's why it's important that you all
meet tonight and have a conversation.
634
00:38:31,434 --> 00:38:35,896
So one option is we could go to his house.
635
00:38:38,482 --> 00:38:39,984
For me, that's a good idea.
636
00:38:40,067 --> 00:38:44,196
As the saying goes,
"In numbers, there is strength."
637
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:48,200
We're just gonna have you
rehearse the conversation with Tommy Hamm.
638
00:38:48,284 --> 00:38:49,994
So, here he is. He opens the door.
639
00:38:50,619 --> 00:38:52,121
Go ahead. What's going on?
640
00:38:53,372 --> 00:38:57,793
Okay, well, we come
here respectfully to have a conversation.
641
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,588
That we meet tonight
and have a conversation.
642
00:39:00,671 --> 00:39:01,797
What's he saying?
643
00:39:01,881 --> 00:39:05,343
We came here with respect
to have a conversation with you.
644
00:39:05,885 --> 00:39:07,970
Okay, you got three minutes.
645
00:39:08,054 --> 00:39:10,181
That's great.
That's how we're gonna start.
646
00:39:10,264 --> 00:39:13,184
And then when he asks,
"Okay, fine, talk to me,"
647
00:39:13,267 --> 00:39:14,852
you lay out your case.
648
00:39:14,935 --> 00:39:16,020
Do you feel ready?
649
00:39:16,103 --> 00:39:17,188
Do you feel ready?
650
00:39:17,271 --> 00:39:19,440
- Okay, good, good.
- Okay, all right.
651
00:39:24,070 --> 00:39:27,448
Gather here, guys.
652
00:39:28,491 --> 00:39:30,951
Is this everyone who's coming?
653
00:39:31,911 --> 00:39:33,996
Daniel said
that some of them are afraid to get out.
654
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:34,997
Afraid to get out?
655
00:39:35,081 --> 00:39:38,959
Yeah, so he told the ones
that weren't afraid to come.
656
00:39:39,043 --> 00:39:40,419
Okay, yeah.
657
00:39:43,047 --> 00:39:45,549
Okay, let's go.
658
00:39:45,674 --> 00:39:46,717
Like an army!
659
00:39:47,343 --> 00:39:49,428
Freddy, where is the house?
660
00:39:49,512 --> 00:39:50,930
This way.
661
00:39:52,139 --> 00:39:54,350
So the three of us need to be up here.
662
00:39:54,433 --> 00:39:56,727
They need to come much closer to us.
663
00:39:59,605 --> 00:40:01,357
What a beautiful home!
664
00:40:03,234 --> 00:40:06,404
Did you work here as well, Freddy?
Did you work here?
665
00:40:06,695 --> 00:40:10,366
Here, no.
I worked around the corner on the roof.
666
00:40:10,449 --> 00:40:13,702
Three of us and three
representatives will go up to the door.
667
00:40:13,786 --> 00:40:15,538
Other folks should stay right here.
668
00:40:15,621 --> 00:40:18,207
Okay, only we'll go,
669
00:40:18,290 --> 00:40:23,629
and you stay on the street
on public property.
670
00:40:40,062 --> 00:40:42,898
Okay, we'll knock one last time.
671
00:40:42,982 --> 00:40:44,358
He said he heard people talking.
672
00:40:44,442 --> 00:40:46,986
There's somebody inside.
There's somebody inside.
673
00:40:48,028 --> 00:40:49,488
Yeah, there's somebody.
674
00:40:51,198 --> 00:40:52,741
He is going to call the police.
675
00:40:52,825 --> 00:40:54,410
Are we getting scared?
676
00:40:54,493 --> 00:40:55,493
Yes.
677
00:41:00,916 --> 00:41:02,960
Hey, Mr. Hamm,
any chance you're home?
678
00:41:05,045 --> 00:41:06,045
Hello.
679
00:41:13,095 --> 00:41:17,516
I'm just afraid
that if they call the police, you know...
680
00:41:18,142 --> 00:41:21,061
- We should probably get going.
- We'll give it a minute. Mm-hmm.
681
00:41:25,733 --> 00:41:26,733
Mm-hmm.
682
00:41:27,943 --> 00:41:29,737
How about
we leave the letter and...
683
00:41:30,488 --> 00:41:32,656
Yeah, we leave the letter
and my business card.
684
00:41:44,376 --> 00:41:45,376
Okay?
685
00:41:51,675 --> 00:41:53,260
So, we saw him. He's in there.
686
00:41:53,344 --> 00:41:56,055
They're already calling now.
687
00:41:56,138 --> 00:41:57,932
So, we should get going. Okay?
688
00:41:58,015 --> 00:42:01,435
Let's move. He may have called the police.
689
00:42:02,061 --> 00:42:05,481
He was inside and didn't want to come out.
690
00:42:09,693 --> 00:42:11,320
Let's drive in a caravan, all together.
691
00:42:21,330 --> 00:42:24,833
- Tango?
- Um, no.
692
00:42:24,917 --> 00:42:26,710
- Where's he from?
- El Salvador.
693
00:42:26,794 --> 00:42:27,878
El Salvador? Good.
694
00:42:27,962 --> 00:42:29,630
- We got his passport.
- Perfect.
695
00:42:29,713 --> 00:42:30,589
Good work, guys.
696
00:42:30,673 --> 00:42:34,134
How many people have you confirmed
that have been arrested by ICE?
697
00:42:34,218 --> 00:42:36,804
At this point, I can't give you a count.
698
00:42:36,887 --> 00:42:40,891
All I can say is we're being inundated
by the amount of calls that we're getting.
699
00:42:40,975 --> 00:42:43,310
It's very much of a rogue agency
with little supervision,
700
00:42:43,394 --> 00:42:45,813
and now, lots of involvement
from our federal government.
701
00:42:45,896 --> 00:42:48,065
Nobody else is talking.
ICE is not talking.
702
00:42:48,524 --> 00:42:50,234
I've gotten calls from organizers
703
00:42:50,317 --> 00:42:52,736
who are like,
"Holy fuck! We can't handle this,"
704
00:42:52,820 --> 00:42:54,905
and they're calling national organizers
to come.
705
00:42:55,281 --> 00:42:56,907
So, it's gonna get weird.
706
00:42:56,991 --> 00:43:00,869
Hundreds of immigration
arrests in North Carolina,
707
00:43:00,953 --> 00:43:04,164
pitting ICE agents
against the sheriff's department.
708
00:43:04,748 --> 00:43:06,628
I'm just wondering
what the sheriff's gonna say.
709
00:43:07,126 --> 00:43:11,130
That is my stance, not to have 287.
710
00:43:11,213 --> 00:43:13,591
I know that we can be a better city
without it.
711
00:43:14,008 --> 00:43:17,553
I'm committed to what I'm doing,
and I am in charge.
712
00:43:18,053 --> 00:43:22,641
Hey, Cundy?
Did you read Forsyth's canceling us?
713
00:43:23,225 --> 00:43:24,101
Are they?
714
00:43:24,184 --> 00:43:25,519
The sheriff
of Forsyth County says
715
00:43:25,603 --> 00:43:28,689
his jail will no longer allow
US Immigration and Customs Enforcement
716
00:43:28,772 --> 00:43:29,982
to house detainees there.
717
00:43:30,065 --> 00:43:34,320
The sheriff says his office will never be
an extension of Immigration Services.
718
00:43:34,403 --> 00:43:37,448
ICE got mad. And what are they doing?
They're terrorizing us.
719
00:43:37,531 --> 00:43:39,408
They're going everywhere we go.
They're there.
720
00:43:39,491 --> 00:43:40,909
Because they wanna intimidate us,
721
00:43:40,993 --> 00:43:44,121
because we voted
to kick them out of Charlotte.
722
00:43:44,204 --> 00:43:47,291
We will not be intimidated by ICE
today or tomorrow or never.
723
00:43:48,959 --> 00:43:52,671
ICE is partially blaming
Mecklenburg County Sheriff Gary McFadden
724
00:43:52,755 --> 00:43:54,256
for the increased enforcement.
725
00:43:54,340 --> 00:43:57,343
Bryan Cox mentioned that,
if I did take this off the books,
726
00:43:57,426 --> 00:44:01,597
this will cause more aggressive activity.
727
00:44:01,722 --> 00:44:04,725
This is a sheriff who ran on "ICE is bad,"
728
00:44:04,808 --> 00:44:09,355
and so, day one in office,
suspended all cooperation.
729
00:44:09,438 --> 00:44:13,275
So Mecklenburg County's policies
have shut out ICE.
730
00:44:13,817 --> 00:44:14,943
In today's world,
731
00:44:15,027 --> 00:44:18,322
with more jurisdictions refusing
to cooperate with us,
732
00:44:18,405 --> 00:44:24,286
it has forced us to really get creative
and rethink, "How are we gonna do this?"
733
00:44:24,370 --> 00:44:27,122
ICE! Listen up!
734
00:44:27,206 --> 00:44:29,625
We are here to fight!
735
00:44:29,708 --> 00:44:33,212
ICE! Listen up! We are here to fight!
736
00:44:33,295 --> 00:44:35,506
Sheriffs
of Wake and Durham Counties announce
737
00:44:35,589 --> 00:44:38,217
they will not take part in ICE operations.
738
00:44:38,926 --> 00:44:40,511
Sheriffs in North Carolina are tight.
739
00:44:40,594 --> 00:44:43,389
Once the wind blows, man,
it just seems like everyone follows suit.
740
00:44:43,472 --> 00:44:45,599
ICE out of Charlotte!
741
00:44:45,683 --> 00:44:48,686
And remember, if you stand against us,
we vote you out!
742
00:44:51,730 --> 00:44:55,567
ICE out of Charlotte!
ICE out of Charlotte!
743
00:44:55,651 --> 00:44:58,862
ICE out of Charlotte!
ICE out of Charlotte!
744
00:45:05,911 --> 00:45:08,997
- Good to see you.
- What's going on?
745
00:45:10,082 --> 00:45:12,292
Oh, just another quiet day in ERO, right?
746
00:45:12,584 --> 00:45:15,087
We almost had to force print
somebody this morning.
747
00:45:16,630 --> 00:45:20,467
- "You don't have the right to..."
- Yeah, you can't take my fingerprints.
748
00:45:20,551 --> 00:45:23,231
"I don't give you consent to handcuff me
and place me under arrest."
749
00:45:24,346 --> 00:45:26,807
What are we up to for the week now?
We're at what?
750
00:45:26,890 --> 00:45:28,183
At least 149.
751
00:45:28,267 --> 00:45:30,227
- That's including today?
- Not today.
752
00:45:32,146 --> 00:45:35,774
So, I'm Bryan Cox with ICE,
public affairs officer.
753
00:45:35,858 --> 00:45:36,942
Anything of the sort
754
00:45:37,025 --> 00:45:39,445
that these activist groups
say that we're doing,
755
00:45:39,528 --> 00:45:42,656
and in fact,
they are spreading misinformation.
756
00:45:42,740 --> 00:45:46,577
Look, these are not speeding,
driving without a license.
757
00:45:46,660 --> 00:45:50,706
These are people arrested locally
on serious, violent felony charges.
758
00:45:50,789 --> 00:45:54,001
So, we don't have official data,
but I'm sure you've seen...
759
00:45:54,084 --> 00:45:56,044
I mean,
due to the media firestorm this week,
760
00:45:56,128 --> 00:45:57,880
and there's so much misinformation.
761
00:45:58,380 --> 00:45:59,506
All right, bye.
762
00:45:59,590 --> 00:46:01,592
You know, I made clear to the reporter,
763
00:46:01,675 --> 00:46:05,053
"Look, you take these little
hyperbolic stories out of context."
764
00:46:05,137 --> 00:46:09,433
Let me just give you our stats that 91%
of everybody we arrested last year
765
00:46:09,516 --> 00:46:11,685
had a conviction or an arrest.
766
00:46:11,769 --> 00:46:14,521
Like, we're not doing any kind of thing
indiscriminate.
767
00:46:14,605 --> 00:46:15,856
Right now, I think...
768
00:46:15,939 --> 00:46:20,194
according to unofficial stats,
right now, we're at about a third crim.
769
00:46:20,277 --> 00:46:22,112
That's what headquarters
pulled this morning.
770
00:46:22,571 --> 00:46:24,411
"We're planning
to hold a brief news conference
771
00:46:24,490 --> 00:46:26,325
tomorrow, Friday 10:30 a.m.,
772
00:46:26,408 --> 00:46:30,537
where we'll provide preliminary stats for
the week and also discuss the arrests."
773
00:46:31,538 --> 00:46:32,873
That's vague enough.
774
00:46:33,999 --> 00:46:36,502
The same stuff
that I've been giving up until now,
775
00:46:36,585 --> 00:46:40,255
about 90%, we don't do any kind of
indiscriminate enforcement,
776
00:46:40,714 --> 00:46:44,760
the field office arrest stats
that 91% crim and are criminal arrests.
777
00:46:44,843 --> 00:46:46,220
You're not gonna have that today.
778
00:46:46,762 --> 00:46:48,722
- No, I've got that.
- No, I mean for this op.
779
00:46:49,473 --> 00:46:51,350
The local stats. Yeah, I know.
780
00:46:51,433 --> 00:46:53,685
For this op, I mean,
I think we're about...
781
00:46:55,395 --> 00:46:56,772
30, 35%.
782
00:46:56,855 --> 00:46:59,858
Oh, yeah, that's fine.
I mean, just own it. Yeah, absolutely.
783
00:46:59,942 --> 00:47:02,486
"Yes, we got we got non-criminals
on this one,
784
00:47:02,569 --> 00:47:07,157
but it's because of the way we were forced
to do the arrests."
785
00:47:08,742 --> 00:47:11,495
I think what you just said...
Look, this isn't a one-off.
786
00:47:11,578 --> 00:47:14,456
This is the new normal due
to these policies.
787
00:47:14,540 --> 00:47:17,918
We told you. What? You didn't believe us?
You thought we were bluffing and whatnot?
788
00:47:18,001 --> 00:47:18,836
Like, no.
789
00:47:18,919 --> 00:47:21,839
The whole goal here is
to get them to change their policy.
790
00:47:22,422 --> 00:47:25,300
Put it back on them.
So they go to the sheriff and say,
791
00:47:25,384 --> 00:47:27,302
"Okay, what are you gonna do?"
792
00:47:31,974 --> 00:47:35,644
We have requested an update
from the Mecklenburg County Sheriff
793
00:47:35,727 --> 00:47:39,356
regarding the status of US Immigration
and Custom Enforcement activities
794
00:47:39,439 --> 00:47:41,066
in Mecklenburg County.
795
00:47:41,149 --> 00:47:44,111
First of all, the stats
about undocumented immigration
796
00:47:44,194 --> 00:47:47,197
making the rise of violent crimes
is not true.
797
00:47:47,948 --> 00:47:48,948
Let me be clear.
798
00:47:49,992 --> 00:47:52,286
My focus is public safety
799
00:47:52,369 --> 00:47:56,456
and strengthening the social fabric
of our community
800
00:47:56,540 --> 00:47:58,750
rather than tear apart families.
801
00:47:59,126 --> 00:48:01,461
That's the work truly before us.
802
00:48:04,339 --> 00:48:09,469
We elected you to be the chief
law enforcement officer in this county.
803
00:48:11,346 --> 00:48:12,848
ICE didn't appoint you.
804
00:48:14,391 --> 00:48:16,268
The president didn't appoint you.
805
00:48:17,728 --> 00:48:19,062
It's outrageous
806
00:48:20,188 --> 00:48:23,859
that these federal employees
are making any comments
807
00:48:23,942 --> 00:48:29,990
about how you are performing your job,
the job we elected you to do.
808
00:48:30,407 --> 00:48:32,701
I believe it is totally out of order
809
00:48:33,994 --> 00:48:38,916
for a federal agency to come
in our community and to instill fear.
810
00:48:43,211 --> 00:48:44,671
We support you.
811
00:48:44,755 --> 00:48:46,256
All right!
812
00:48:51,303 --> 00:48:57,392
Soon after we took workers to his house
to request the payment of wages owed,
813
00:48:57,476 --> 00:48:59,144
Tommy Hamm sent me this letter.
814
00:48:59,853 --> 00:49:00,938
It says,
815
00:49:01,438 --> 00:49:03,482
"Two weeks ago, I met with my attorney,
816
00:49:03,565 --> 00:49:07,694
and I am in the process of attempting
to obtain a restraining order against you
817
00:49:07,778 --> 00:49:10,614
after you threatened the lives
of my wife and children.
818
00:49:10,697 --> 00:49:13,992
As your group surrounded my home
in a loud, confrontational manner,
819
00:49:14,076 --> 00:49:17,120
my wife
and two young children were terrified
820
00:49:17,204 --> 00:49:20,040
and thought they were going
to be kidnapped and murdered.
821
00:49:20,958 --> 00:49:24,962
Your criminal actions will force us
to incur additional costs
822
00:49:25,045 --> 00:49:30,884
to provide therapy for our children
and relocate from our home.
823
00:49:32,010 --> 00:49:33,470
I have retained an attorney
824
00:49:33,929 --> 00:49:37,975
and am in the process
of pursuing criminal and civil actions,
825
00:49:38,308 --> 00:49:40,102
punitive and compensatory damages
826
00:49:40,185 --> 00:49:43,689
against you, your associates
and organization
827
00:49:43,772 --> 00:49:46,066
"for your reckless, criminal actions."
828
00:49:46,733 --> 00:49:51,279
"I have access to the entire
state apparatus in my hands.
829
00:49:51,363 --> 00:49:54,116
The laws of the state,
the police force of the county,
830
00:49:54,199 --> 00:49:58,161
the city jail, all of this works for me,
and I can use it against you."
831
00:49:58,245 --> 00:49:59,997
That's the message of this letter.
832
00:50:01,832 --> 00:50:06,128
Tommy Hamm's attorney is requesting names
and addresses
833
00:50:06,211 --> 00:50:08,338
of these workers in this dispute.
834
00:50:08,797 --> 00:50:11,800
And that's something that, you know...
835
00:50:13,510 --> 00:50:15,595
is nerve-racking, because that's...
836
00:50:15,679 --> 00:50:18,765
Once they have that information,
they can certainly go after them.
837
00:50:18,849 --> 00:50:21,035
They can target them on the street
when they're driving,
838
00:50:21,059 --> 00:50:23,937
when they're dropping their kids off
at school, picking up groceries,
839
00:50:24,021 --> 00:50:25,897
when they're looking for work
at Home Depot.
840
00:50:25,981 --> 00:50:28,108
You know, it basically puts a target
on their back.
841
00:50:30,527 --> 00:50:32,070
Tomorrow at the meeting,
842
00:50:32,154 --> 00:50:36,408
we have at least four people
that are gonna testify,
843
00:50:36,491 --> 00:50:38,076
that are going to speak
844
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,787
and tell their stories
to the commissioners.
845
00:50:40,871 --> 00:50:43,081
You have a First Amendment right
846
00:50:43,665 --> 00:50:46,043
to speak, to address a public meeting.
847
00:50:46,668 --> 00:50:49,588
You have that right regardless
of your status.
848
00:50:49,671 --> 00:50:53,633
Everybody here is risking something.
We want to be very clear about that.
849
00:50:54,217 --> 00:50:55,552
This is already a place
850
00:50:55,635 --> 00:51:00,057
where immigration raids and police action
is happening against immigrants.
851
00:51:00,140 --> 00:51:03,685
Now, there is a possibility
852
00:51:03,769 --> 00:51:07,189
that commissioners will ask...
853
00:51:08,982 --> 00:51:10,484
for your papers...
854
00:51:11,943 --> 00:51:13,862
ask what your legal status is.
855
00:51:15,030 --> 00:51:17,157
Okay?
And you don't give an answer to that.
856
00:51:17,741 --> 00:51:20,410
If the police is called,
857
00:51:20,494 --> 00:51:23,205
Danielle, Cynthia and I
will make a judgment call
858
00:51:23,288 --> 00:51:25,999
about when or whether it is time to leave.
859
00:51:26,083 --> 00:51:28,001
And if we need to, we'll leave.
860
00:51:31,922 --> 00:51:33,642
Good morning, everyone.
We're gonna go ahead
861
00:51:33,673 --> 00:51:37,385
and call this regularly scheduled meeting
of the Bay County Commission to order.
862
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:38,887
Let's pray.
863
00:51:39,429 --> 00:51:42,724
We ask you today, Father,
as we're approaching a day
864
00:51:42,808 --> 00:51:46,978
in which our communities
were so drastically devastated a year ago,
865
00:51:47,312 --> 00:51:49,648
we ask for your strength that is needed
866
00:51:49,731 --> 00:51:54,444
as we continue in our efforts
of rebuilding and restoration.
867
00:51:55,153 --> 00:51:56,780
- Amen.
- Amen.
868
00:51:57,155 --> 00:51:58,198
Public participation.
869
00:51:58,281 --> 00:52:01,493
This is open to any issue related
to County Commission Authority.
870
00:52:01,576 --> 00:52:03,662
Please limit your remarks
to three minutes.
871
00:52:05,038 --> 00:52:06,038
Morning.
872
00:52:06,748 --> 00:52:10,335
County Commissioner Griffitts and others,
we'd like to tell you
873
00:52:10,418 --> 00:52:14,297
about some of the work we're doing
in your districts,
874
00:52:14,673 --> 00:52:18,426
but also have a particular policy proposal
875
00:52:18,510 --> 00:52:21,638
that falls well within your jurisdiction
876
00:52:21,721 --> 00:52:23,682
that we'd like you to consider.
877
00:52:24,182 --> 00:52:28,812
Wage theft and theft of service
is an enormous hindrance
878
00:52:28,895 --> 00:52:31,898
to the resilience and rebuilding
of this part of the country.
879
00:52:31,982 --> 00:52:34,693
Mr. Soni, obviously,
we have a three-minute time limit.
880
00:52:34,776 --> 00:52:37,654
Okay, yeah, and I'm stepping aside.
You'll now hear from...
881
00:52:37,737 --> 00:52:39,156
Yes, we'll make it quick.
882
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,283
- We understand it's all the same issue.
- Yeah.
883
00:52:41,741 --> 00:52:43,577
It's a set of issues, yeah.
884
00:52:45,620 --> 00:52:49,666
Good morning. My name is Anna Salazar.
885
00:52:49,749 --> 00:52:51,501
If the statement's
already written,
886
00:52:51,585 --> 00:52:53,729
if she has a written statement,
could you just read it?
887
00:52:53,753 --> 00:52:57,382
With her speaking Spanish and you
translating, it drags out the time.
888
00:52:57,465 --> 00:52:59,145
She'll be speaking
for a minute and a half.
889
00:52:59,217 --> 00:53:00,594
We'll stay within three minutes.
890
00:53:01,469 --> 00:53:03,388
Excuse me,
891
00:53:03,471 --> 00:53:08,602
but my pain makes me...
892
00:53:12,772 --> 00:53:17,402
When we got here,
893
00:53:17,527 --> 00:53:20,780
we started working
with a company called...
894
00:53:23,450 --> 00:53:24,659
Winterfell.
895
00:53:27,162 --> 00:53:28,163
Winterfell.
896
00:53:30,165 --> 00:53:34,586
Where we worked
for three consecutive months.
897
00:53:35,003 --> 00:53:37,464
And you, Mr. Tommy,
898
00:53:37,547 --> 00:53:40,926
knew the situation
that was happening in Winterfell.
899
00:53:41,009 --> 00:53:46,598
That more than 60 workers
who represented your company
900
00:53:46,681 --> 00:53:48,808
were never compensated.
901
00:53:48,892 --> 00:53:50,393
It's been six months,
902
00:53:50,477 --> 00:53:55,315
and we still haven't received the money
that we rightfully earned.
903
00:53:55,398 --> 00:53:57,525
Yes, ma'am. Okay.
I'm gonna stop you right now.
904
00:53:57,609 --> 00:54:01,738
This sounds like you're getting
into a personal issue with an individual.
905
00:54:01,821 --> 00:54:05,825
We are not gonna stand here
and have you attack individuals like this.
906
00:54:05,909 --> 00:54:07,244
We're not attacking individuals.
907
00:54:07,327 --> 00:54:10,455
When you hold up an individual's name
on a safety vest like that,
908
00:54:10,538 --> 00:54:11,538
you absolutely are.
909
00:54:11,581 --> 00:54:14,960
The elephant in the room here, of course,
is immigration.
910
00:54:15,043 --> 00:54:17,295
We're gonna talk
about county issues,
911
00:54:17,379 --> 00:54:19,464
not individuals or businesses. Understood?
912
00:54:19,547 --> 00:54:22,133
That being said, meeting adjourned.
913
00:54:48,076 --> 00:54:51,913
Our goal is to win,
and people fight to win,
914
00:54:51,997 --> 00:54:57,043
but people also fight just
to be recognized as human beings.
915
00:54:57,585 --> 00:55:01,256
That sense that, "Somebody sees me,
that I exist,"
916
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:05,176
that's something
that is a victory of its own.
917
00:55:14,686 --> 00:55:17,355
We need to be building
more than just homes.
918
00:55:17,439 --> 00:55:18,481
That's right!
919
00:55:18,565 --> 00:55:20,358
We're part of Bay County now.
920
00:55:21,484 --> 00:55:23,111
So I would like to ask you
921
00:55:23,194 --> 00:55:25,613
what commitments we are willing to make
to each other.
922
00:55:25,697 --> 00:55:26,531
And I'll start.
923
00:55:26,614 --> 00:55:29,784
I commit to all of you,
on behalf of our team,
924
00:55:29,868 --> 00:55:33,204
to start defending people in the jail
from ICE.
925
00:55:37,584 --> 00:55:39,711
Let's have another commitment. Who's next?
926
00:55:40,337 --> 00:55:43,048
Invite friends to come
and make the group bigger.
927
00:55:43,131 --> 00:55:46,051
Very good! Okay, one more!
928
00:55:46,468 --> 00:55:50,805
Need to unite more,
because our voices need to be heard.
929
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:56,102
I was there for Katrina,
and Isaac, I was here.
930
00:55:56,186 --> 00:55:57,645
I also went to Houston.
931
00:55:58,063 --> 00:56:00,315
I think we have to do the same here.
932
00:56:00,398 --> 00:56:04,486
Remember, here there are no Guatemalans,
Salvadorans or Hondurans.
933
00:56:04,569 --> 00:56:08,865
We all came here to unite,
and we are all brothers.
934
00:56:12,744 --> 00:56:15,955
We want to ask you today:
Who's ready to join us?
935
00:56:17,457 --> 00:56:18,625
Say the words!
936
00:56:20,001 --> 00:56:22,212
We are here to build!
937
00:56:24,172 --> 00:56:27,008
Here to build!
938
00:56:49,906 --> 00:56:54,911
Fuck ICE!
939
00:56:58,081 --> 00:56:59,916
What are you...
He's adding some stuff. Good.
940
00:56:59,999 --> 00:57:03,753
- Okay, whatever makes him comfortable.
- Yeah, he's making some notes.
941
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,341
That is fantastic. He nails it.
Right between the eyes.
942
00:57:08,466 --> 00:57:11,511
This is what's up.
I would leave it at that.
943
00:57:12,345 --> 00:57:15,682
Because the more questions he takes,
the more chance to get off-topic
944
00:57:15,765 --> 00:57:20,395
and in the weeds about all sorts
of irrelevant other things.
945
00:57:20,478 --> 00:57:24,399
So, we're here today because ICE...
946
00:57:26,276 --> 00:57:29,362
is terrorizing our neighbors,
not only here in Mecklenburg County
947
00:57:29,446 --> 00:57:31,281
but across the state.
948
00:57:31,364 --> 00:57:34,909
Right now we have
Field Office Director Sean Gallagher...
949
00:57:34,993 --> 00:57:35,994
He's a Nazi!
950
00:57:36,077 --> 00:57:38,830
Telling lies about our community...
951
00:57:38,913 --> 00:57:40,039
Fuck Sean Gallagher!
952
00:57:40,123 --> 00:57:44,669
Trying to pretend his agents
aren't committing civil rights violations
953
00:57:44,752 --> 00:57:46,254
on the ground,
954
00:57:46,337 --> 00:57:49,591
as they're watching us here, laughing.
You know what's going on...
955
00:57:49,674 --> 00:57:54,262
Univision is here. Fox... four TV...
Yeah, you got four TV stations here.
956
00:57:54,345 --> 00:57:57,307
You know me. I used to be a news guy.
Huge believer in journalism,
957
00:57:57,390 --> 00:58:01,394
but we have a couple
who are looking to do a gotcha.
958
00:58:01,478 --> 00:58:03,980
They don't want to report the reality.
959
00:58:04,272 --> 00:58:05,899
So if we let them corner,
960
00:58:05,982 --> 00:58:09,194
they're gonna try
to make all this other stuff up.
961
00:58:10,028 --> 00:58:12,864
Hey, I took the liberty
of looking through. I think you nailed it.
962
00:58:12,947 --> 00:58:15,533
The way you personalized it,
I think they're fantastic.
963
00:58:15,617 --> 00:58:17,911
I just wanna add something here.
964
00:58:21,956 --> 00:58:24,876
You know this stuff cold.
I've seen you do it.
965
00:58:24,959 --> 00:58:28,254
You're gonna be fine. I mean,
your remarks are seriously rock star.
966
00:58:28,338 --> 00:58:30,399
Not blowing smoke up your ass.
I think this is great.
967
00:58:30,423 --> 00:58:31,257
Okay.
968
00:58:31,341 --> 00:58:34,219
Uh... you're the FOD.
Obviously, you can do what you want,
969
00:58:34,302 --> 00:58:36,596
but we want you to be the guy
who's on camera,
970
00:58:36,679 --> 00:58:39,057
- kind of hitting them between the eyes.
- That's fine.
971
00:58:39,516 --> 00:58:41,309
All right, you guys ready?
972
00:58:44,145 --> 00:58:45,939
All right, folks, y'all ready?
973
00:58:49,234 --> 00:58:51,069
Over the last few days,
974
00:58:51,152 --> 00:58:55,532
our officers conducted
a large-scale enforcement operation
975
00:58:55,615 --> 00:59:00,119
resulting in approximately 200 arrests
across the state.
976
00:59:00,203 --> 00:59:02,455
We believe it was a successful operation.
977
00:59:02,539 --> 00:59:05,875
We don't have the final statistics
as of yet,
978
00:59:06,251 --> 00:59:08,711
but of the 200 people that were arrested,
979
00:59:08,795 --> 00:59:12,590
50 of those individuals
had criminal convictions.
980
00:59:12,966 --> 00:59:15,051
Forty have pending criminal charges.
981
00:59:15,677 --> 00:59:18,388
Fifty were ICE fugitives,
which are individuals
982
00:59:18,471 --> 00:59:20,807
who were ordered removed
from the United States
983
00:59:20,890 --> 00:59:23,351
by an immigration judge
but have failed to depart.
984
00:59:23,434 --> 00:59:28,356
And then 60 other individuals
who were arrested
985
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:33,069
after it was found out by our ICE officers
during that target enforcement
986
00:59:33,152 --> 00:59:35,154
that they were illegally in the country.
987
00:59:35,238 --> 00:59:38,700
Any further follow-up questions
my staff can handle. I apologize.
988
00:59:38,783 --> 00:59:40,785
You are not going to stay
for any questions?
989
00:59:43,621 --> 00:59:45,748
A lot of the opponents
of this also just charge
990
00:59:45,832 --> 00:59:47,625
that, simply, you don't have empathy.
991
00:59:47,709 --> 00:59:49,349
You're doing your job, enforcing the law,
992
00:59:49,377 --> 00:59:51,588
but you're not looking
at these individual cases.
993
00:59:51,671 --> 00:59:52,671
Do your officers...
994
00:59:52,714 --> 00:59:55,633
Are they allowed to have empathy?
Should they have empathy?
995
00:59:55,717 --> 00:59:59,220
How should they do this,
balancing that threat to national security
996
00:59:59,304 --> 01:00:02,473
versus someone who maybe was just
going to work to support a family?
997
01:00:03,016 --> 01:00:05,476
I think that the uptick
that you've seen is,
998
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:08,688
again, a direct result
of some of the dangerous policies
999
01:00:08,771 --> 01:00:12,900
that some of our county sheriffs
have put into place.
1000
01:00:13,151 --> 01:00:15,320
And it really...
1001
01:00:17,322 --> 01:00:19,949
forces my officers to go out on the street
1002
01:00:20,033 --> 01:00:24,078
to conduct more enforcement operations
out in the community,
1003
01:00:24,954 --> 01:00:29,000
at courthouses, at residences,
doing traffic stops.
1004
01:00:29,083 --> 01:00:31,044
Now, you will have
to do some traffic stops,
1005
01:00:31,127 --> 01:00:34,167
but earlier in the statement, you said
you don't make indiscriminate arrests.
1006
01:00:34,213 --> 01:00:37,884
So are you making traffic stops,
or are you not making traffic stops?
1007
01:00:38,593 --> 01:00:41,471
We are targeting, and the data are clear,
1008
01:00:41,554 --> 01:00:45,767
91% of the people that we arrested
were somehow either criminally convicted
1009
01:00:45,850 --> 01:00:46,768
or criminally charged.
1010
01:00:46,851 --> 01:00:49,354
We are not gonna turn a blind eye
to enforcement.
1011
01:00:49,437 --> 01:00:52,940
If there happens to be people
that are illegally in this country,
1012
01:00:53,024 --> 01:00:54,942
my officers have the discretion
1013
01:00:55,026 --> 01:00:57,654
whether or not to take
an enforcement action against them.
1014
01:00:57,737 --> 01:01:00,490
- You mentioned wrong place...
- I'll take the follow-ups. Thank you.
1015
01:01:03,284 --> 01:01:06,954
There are a number of individuals, ma'am,
that already had criminal convictions.
1016
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:10,875
Hey, hey! Ho, ho! Alfieri has got to go!
1017
01:01:10,958 --> 01:01:14,837
Hey, hey! Ho, ho! Alfieri has got to go!
1018
01:01:14,921 --> 01:01:18,925
Hey, hey! Ho, ho! Alfieri has got to go!
1019
01:01:19,008 --> 01:01:20,760
What am I supposed to do?
1020
01:01:21,260 --> 01:01:24,222
I said,
"We arrested over 200 people this week,
1021
01:01:24,847 --> 01:01:27,308
and when we're done,
it'll be closer to 300."
1022
01:01:32,522 --> 01:01:34,982
- But at the end of the day, man...
- At the end of the day...
1023
01:01:35,066 --> 01:01:36,984
- that's what we're gonna do.
- Yeah.
1024
01:01:37,068 --> 01:01:38,444
Dude, done.
1025
01:01:38,528 --> 01:01:40,172
Living their
daily lives, they're concerned...
1026
01:01:40,196 --> 01:01:41,030
Seriously?
1027
01:01:41,114 --> 01:01:43,741
About what this means,
but again, that phrase, "A new normal,"
1028
01:01:43,825 --> 01:01:46,202
is something that was mentioned
multiple times today,
1029
01:01:46,285 --> 01:01:51,290
and they're saying that is in response
to new sheriff's policies on 287.
1030
01:01:51,791 --> 01:01:54,544
They are now going out into the community.
1031
01:01:54,627 --> 01:01:58,673
They're telling people to expect
an increased presence for ICE.
1032
01:01:58,756 --> 01:02:01,134
For now, reporting live in Charlotte,
Anne Marie Hagerty,
1033
01:02:01,217 --> 01:02:02,760
WBTV News, on your side.
1034
01:02:02,844 --> 01:02:04,595
Fantastic. That's the message. Hey!
1035
01:02:05,221 --> 01:02:06,431
I like it.
1036
01:02:06,514 --> 01:02:08,808
I like how I can see her outside talking.
1037
01:02:08,891 --> 01:02:09,891
- Exactly.
- Perfect.
1038
01:02:09,934 --> 01:02:11,978
- Well done.
- That's exactly what we said.
1039
01:02:12,061 --> 01:02:14,814
- All right, perfect. I'm hungry.
- We going to lunch?
1040
01:02:14,897 --> 01:02:16,217
Yeah, let's go to the steakhouse.
1041
01:02:16,274 --> 01:02:17,650
"Raids like this will continue
1042
01:02:17,734 --> 01:02:20,778
after several local law enforcement
agencies stopped cooperating with ICE."
1043
01:02:20,862 --> 01:02:23,281
- There you go.
- We're doing it because we were forced.
1044
01:02:23,364 --> 01:02:25,124
But they said "raids."
We didn't say "raids."
1045
01:02:25,199 --> 01:02:26,969
- Whatever. That's fine.
- ICE didn't say "raids."
1046
01:02:26,993 --> 01:02:28,220
We're never gonna win that battle.
1047
01:02:28,244 --> 01:02:31,581
But the fact that, "Hey, we're doing it
because we were forced to."
1048
01:02:31,664 --> 01:02:33,541
We had no choice. Local policies...
1049
01:02:33,624 --> 01:02:37,044
- forced our hands."
- We did not say "raids."
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