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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:25,000 Translation and synchronization: Fabricio Light ~ ~ 2 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:35,500 Growing up in Staten Island 3 00:00:35,500 --> 00:00:38,500 Barbara and I heard some times about the legend of Cropsey. 4 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:45,000 To the neighborhood children, Cropsey was a fugitive mentally ill. 5 00:00:45,500 --> 00:00:49,500 Who lived in the old tunnels and abandoned Willowbrook Mental Hospital. 6 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:56,100 He quit late at night and took the kids on the streets. 7 00:00:58,100 --> 00:01:00,100 [Missing 7 year old is gone] 8 00:01:00,100 --> 00:01:03,100 Although not known each other as children in, 9 00:01:03,100 --> 00:01:09,800 Barbara and I shared versions of the legend of Cropsey, increasing our fear. 10 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,400 Sometimes Cropsey had a hook for a hand, 11 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:16,400 In others, a bloody ax. 12 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:20,400 But no matter, Cropsey was out there, lurking in the darkness. 13 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:22,800 Waiting to pick us up. 14 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,400 We'll have you back. 15 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:34,400 Later, in adolescence, we come to believe that Cropsey was just an urban legend. 16 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:42,400 A legend created to keep us away from those buildings, or to prevent us from doing things that teenagers do. 17 00:01:44,300 --> 00:01:46,800 But everything changed when small Jennifer disappeared. 18 00:01:48,500 --> 00:01:52,400 That was the summer where all the children of Staten Island found that this urban legend 19 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:56,200 It was real ... 20 00:03:35,340 --> 00:03:37,800 Staten Island is one of the five boroughs of New York. 21 00:03:38,900 --> 00:03:42,100 In the last century, it was basically formed by farms and woods. 22 00:03:42,500 --> 00:03:46,000 Until built the Verrazano Bridge in 1964. 23 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,300 It is now home to nearly half a million people. 24 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:56,300 Before Varrazano bridge be built, it was just this, this island forgotten. 25 00:03:56,300 --> 00:04:00,000 All children in Brooklyn wanted his own home, and everyone wanted to land. 26 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:05,100 If you have a dog, you let it run in the yard, like, "Dad knows best". 27 00:04:05,500 --> 00:04:08,500 It can be pretty quiet around here, even with Manhattan over there, 28 00:04:08,500 --> 00:04:12,300 after water, but is defitinivamente a different kind of life here. 29 00:04:12,500 --> 00:04:15,000 If you take a few laps, people will say: 30 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:18,000 " Oh, yes, here it was one of the larger dumps " 31 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,800 and rumors that it was possible see you there space, so ... 32 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:22,800 A huge dump. 33 00:04:23,300 --> 00:04:27,400 It was the least populated district and full of woods. 34 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:34,800 For all I know, like, here it is a great dumping ground for gentalhas that people used to dismiss 35 00:04:34,900 --> 00:04:37,900 type: " We'll bring them to Staten Island ". 36 00:04:38,500 --> 00:04:44,200 It seems that there are many places to go and be isolated, alone and do what you want. 37 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,800 So if you have a bad idea in mind, you can come here and commit it. 38 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:54,000 Near the middle of the island there is an old forest, known as " Greenbelt " (green belt). 39 00:04:55,000 --> 00:05:01,800 At the edge of the forest, there is a camp Scouts for boys and an old ward for tuberculosis. 40 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:05,500 As children, we used run around these sites, 41 00:05:05,500 --> 00:05:09,000 trying to scare each other with stories about Cropsey. 42 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:10,800 On the left there is the camp? 43 00:05:10,900 --> 00:05:12,800 No, it's the camp J. C. C. 44 00:05:13,900 --> 00:05:16,800 And right here, we have the sea view. The wings of the Sea View. 45 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,800 The directors of the camps guided in this way, 46 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,230 and out of these buildings and frightened. 47 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:32,000 You know, this is where we thought we lived Cropsey, in the basement down here and these other buildings. 48 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:40,000 And, well, we used to walk around and find beds and roles of people who died here, so ... 49 00:05:41,500 --> 00:05:43,500 It kind of makes sense to us. 50 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:49,500 "Cropsey" for some reason, It has become a generic term 51 00:05:49,500 --> 00:05:52,500 for a maniac in camps for scouts. 52 00:05:53,100 --> 00:05:58,500 Outside the region Hudson River in upstate New York. 53 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:04,000 So, it makes sense to a story about a maniac 54 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,100 who hid in the forest, 55 00:06:06,100 --> 00:06:09,100 abducted and killed little children have the name of Cropsey. 56 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,100 The first time I heard about Cropsey was at summer camp. 57 00:06:12,100 --> 00:06:14,000 He was a doctor. 58 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:15,200 He wore a hook. 59 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:17,200 With a huge knife this size. 60 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:19,500 And he was an angry man who wielded an ax. 61 00:06:19,500 --> 00:06:21,000 The wife was murdered. 62 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,700 He was persecuted or mocked ... 63 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:27,000 He wanted children, and find, so ... 64 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:29,500 It stung you all ... 65 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:31,000 ... Boned you. 66 00:06:31,100 --> 00:06:34,500 Do not go to the sides of Sherwood, Cropsey is there. 67 00:06:34,500 --> 00:06:38,100 Make sure that goes down at a store, do not continue going forward. 68 00:06:38,100 --> 00:06:40,500 Do not go to the lake at night, Cropsey's downstairs. 69 00:06:40,500 --> 00:06:43,100 No, do not go near the park Willowbrook. There is very dangerous. 70 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:53,500 There are many cities with an underground history something which inexplicavalmente things happened. 71 00:06:53,500 --> 00:07:01,500 An institution where people They were separated from the rest of society. 72 00:07:03,500 --> 00:07:06,000 Here are photos of the hospital SeaView From a higher angle Seaview hospital. 73 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:09,000 Dorothy D'elleto Archivist and Researcher Here are photos of the hospital SeaView From a higher angle Seaview hospital. 74 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:09,500 Here are photos of the hospital SeaView From a higher angle Seaview hospital. 75 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:14,800 This includes the infirmary wards for tuberculosis. 76 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:21,000 And also this property, there was a hospital for contagious diseases and so has the morgue and the cemetery. 77 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:28,000 This is across the street from the agricultural colony, it was a different part of the hospital. 78 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,100 They called her "poor farm". 79 00:07:30,300 --> 00:07:34,500 In this we are Halloran Hospital in Willowbrook. 80 00:07:34,500 --> 00:07:37,400 It is here that became the state school? 81 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:38,400 Exactly. 82 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:41,000 Willowbrook was specific for the mentally ill? 83 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,000 Yes. 84 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:51,000 In 1972, the state school Willowbrook hosted 85 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:56,300 a major exhibition by a young reporter looking for his big hole. 86 00:07:58,500 --> 00:08:01,000 Directly speak of this renowned place 87 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,700 after receiving the connection a team member of Willowbrook 88 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:06,000 Dr. Michael Wilkens. 89 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,400 The doctor asked me to see the conditions on which he spoke, 90 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:14,000 so sudden and discreetly, We visited the building number 6. 91 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,500 The doctor realized myself that the thing could be ugly. 92 00:08:17,500 --> 00:08:19,000 It was horrible ... 93 00:08:19,500 --> 00:08:22,400 There was only one employee to about fifty children 94 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:23,900 with profound and severe mental retardation. 95 00:08:24,500 --> 00:08:27,500 Dropped on the floor naked and wrapped in their own feces, 96 00:08:27,500 --> 00:08:29,500 they made a noise pitiful ... 97 00:08:29,500 --> 00:08:33,500 More like a poorly howl that it is impossible to forget. 98 00:08:34,500 --> 00:08:37,500 This is how it looks, so that you can hear, 99 00:08:37,500 --> 00:08:40,400 but how can I describe to you the smell that ravaged the place? 100 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:44,400 Smelled of dirt, disease, smelled of death. 101 00:08:57,800 --> 00:08:59,400 Despite the terms of Geraldo 102 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:01,400 It took over ten years to 103 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,000 the authorities started close the Willwobrook 104 00:09:04,900 --> 00:09:07,100 Many patients were groups transferred to homes 105 00:09:07,100 --> 00:09:09,700 but others were left at the mercy. 106 00:09:10,900 --> 00:09:13,100 There are those who believe that some patients 107 00:09:13,100 --> 00:09:15,500 with mixed behavior, 108 00:09:15,500 --> 00:09:20,500 headed about 1.5 kms Willowbrook, wandering in their abandoned buildings. 109 00:09:20,500 --> 00:09:24,000 And they lived in the tunnel system which was in the underground of these buildings. 110 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:28,500 From this, our own Cropsey version of the legend was born. 111 00:09:29,300 --> 00:09:33,500 When did you start to realize that "Hey, maybe Cropsey is real"? 112 00:09:33,500 --> 00:09:36,500 When children began to fade in Staten Island. 113 00:09:37,500 --> 00:09:40,500 You are watching Channel 7, Eyewitness News. 114 00:09:41,500 --> 00:09:45,500 Hey guys, listen up. We need a all help to find Jennifer. 115 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:49,000 The relentless search for a girl of 12 years, Down syndrome, 116 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:51,500 continues, as has been going the last three weeks. 117 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:55,200 hoping that today will be the day find Jennifer Schweiger. 118 00:10:02,500 --> 00:10:07,500 She is very friendly, very happy. She is a doll. 119 00:10:08,500 --> 00:10:14,000 Kind, you know ... like every child who has Down's syndrome. 120 00:10:14,500 --> 00:10:17,300 Rather than lie at home, I thought I could come and help. 121 00:10:17,500 --> 00:10:23,500 It could be any of our children who had been kidnapped or abused. 122 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,500 Maybe Jennifer has brought to fore the vulnerability as well by 123 00:10:26,500 --> 00:10:30,100 submit Down Syndrome, or was possibly compassion 124 00:10:30,100 --> 00:10:32,500 the residents to have a their missing children. 125 00:10:32,500 --> 00:10:34,500 But every day, more and more volunteers arrive, 126 00:10:34,500 --> 00:10:37,500 looking in the woods and the streets, hoping 127 00:10:37,500 --> 00:10:40,000 to put an end to suffering Schwieiger the family. 128 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:43,000 Many people helped in this quest. 129 00:10:43,100 --> 00:10:49,000 Everyone felt it could have been one of his, who disappeared. 130 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:53,400 They arrived at the Department of Fire with candles, 131 00:10:53,500 --> 00:10:56,000 ready to enter in Willowbrook, 132 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,500 willing to enter forest and tunnels. 133 00:10:59,500 --> 00:11:03,500 There was a particular family, Donna Cutugno, 134 00:11:03,500 --> 00:11:05,500 and some your friends and neighbors 135 00:11:05,500 --> 00:11:08,200 who volunteered to organize searches. 136 00:11:08,500 --> 00:11:11,000 Today we will focus on Willowbrook Park. 137 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:15,200 The police went there yesterday and We continue from where they stopped. 138 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,500 This is what Willowbrook It looks like when we were not here. 139 00:11:18,500 --> 00:11:21,500 I will never forget the first time I got in one of those buildings. 140 00:11:21,500 --> 00:11:22,500 It was really scary, it was the first time 141 00:11:22,500 --> 00:11:25,500 Donna Cutugno Founder of "Friends of Jennifer" It was really scary, it was the first time 142 00:11:25,500 --> 00:11:26,500 I was in those buildings where I heard these terrible stories. Donna Cutugno Founder of "Friends of Jennifer" 143 00:11:26,500 --> 00:11:29,000 I was in those buildings where I heard these terrible stories. 144 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:35,000 And when you walk, completely empty, you still hear you ... ... feel. 145 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,500 You almost feel the presence of children there, 146 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:40,100 or the presence of adults and ... 147 00:11:40,100 --> 00:11:44,500 It is not something that you never will get used to. 148 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:46,500 When they are looking for, 149 00:11:46,500 --> 00:11:48,500 have sure to check out below ground 150 00:11:48,500 --> 00:11:50,100 and on top of the trees. 151 00:11:50,500 --> 00:11:52,900 Anything they find, the police can remove a lot of information. 152 00:11:53,100 --> 00:11:54,900 While searching, 153 00:11:54,900 --> 00:11:57,500 we see the number of people who lived here, 154 00:11:57,500 --> 00:12:03,500 when Willowbrook worked and grew and They tended to come back here. 155 00:12:03,500 --> 00:12:07,500 So there were a lot of people They are living in underground 156 00:12:07,500 --> 00:12:12,000 even with closed buildings and Andre Rand was one. 157 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:20,000 Andre Rand worked as in charge Willowbrook State School, 1966-1968. 158 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:25,300 For years he lived in camps improvised in the woods around Willowbrook. 159 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:26,000 It was also the prime suspect in case of Jennifer Schweiger. 160 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,900 Suspect considered "Weird" It was also the prime suspect in case of Jennifer Schweiger. 161 00:12:28,900 --> 00:12:29,000 Suspect considered "Weird" 162 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:33,300 There were two witnesses who claimed to have seen her walking down the street with a middle-aged man. 163 00:12:33,300 --> 00:12:37,000 Retired detectives There were two witnesses who claimed to have seen her walking down the street with a middle-aged man. 164 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:38,000 There were two witnesses who claimed to have seen her walking down the street with a middle-aged man. 165 00:12:38,500 --> 00:12:41,900 And he had a female, green bicycle, with a basket on the front. 166 00:12:42,500 --> 00:12:48,200 Last week I was in a store and saw Rand. I recognized another case. 167 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:54,000 He bought baby food and was on a bicycle female, green with a basket on the front. 168 00:12:54,500 --> 00:12:58,500 At that point I said, "It's him, I saw him last week." 169 00:12:59,300 --> 00:13:03,000 Rand was immediately arrested and questioned about the disappearance of the girl, 170 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,000 but was released for lack of evidence. 171 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:06,000 Young still missing 172 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:09,000 After four weeks of surveillance, hoping to find Jennifer alive, Young still missing 173 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:09,600 After four weeks of surveillance, hoping to find Jennifer alive, 174 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:11,600 he was arrested. 175 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:18,000 Rand was familiar to the poor by police sexual behavior with a 9-year-old girl in 1969. 176 00:13:19,500 --> 00:13:21,500 Crime he denied. 177 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:28,000 Good afternoon, let what happened. A homeless 43, Andre Ran was arrested. 178 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,500 Accused of abducting a girl 12, Jennifer Schweiger. 179 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:34,300 The suspect was spotted yesterday night here, in a church. 180 00:13:34,300 --> 00:13:38,000 The police questioned him on the second day investigations and 181 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,500 After four weeks the case against man 182 00:13:40,500 --> 00:13:43,200 finally they decided they had enough to reaching the verdict. 183 00:13:43,500 --> 00:13:45,400 I've never seen a criminal walk that way. 184 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:53,200 To see him walking as if he had lost his mind, let all the outraged community. 185 00:13:54,200 --> 00:14:03,100 That image has forced many people to say "that man is the murderer, he is not normal, looks at him, drooling ... " 186 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:07,000 And it certainly makes me question a lot, who was Andre Rand? 187 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:13,000 They got a crazy man and They said he was the guy 188 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:16,800 Or really possessed solid evidence against him that would be valid in the jury? 189 00:14:17,100 --> 00:14:18,000 I used to teach about the history of Andre Rand for my journalism class. 190 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:20,800 Former editor I used to teach about the history of Andre Rand for my journalism class. 191 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:21,000 Former editor 192 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:25,000 Down the stairs to the forum ad "Homelessness is arrested." 193 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:28,300 Well, what did that mean? Means guilty, right? 194 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:30,000 If he really was or not, I do not, you know, 195 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,400 I do not know the whole story, but it was much easier to imagine everything 196 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:36,900 what to think, "Perai, and is a neighbor of yours? 197 00:14:36,900 --> 00:14:40,500 It may be someone with whom you work "... 198 00:14:41,300 --> 00:14:44,000 Did you ever think that there was someone else involved? 199 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:48,500 Well, we always had to think there was someone else to rule out the idea. 200 00:14:48,500 --> 00:14:50,500 You always have to keep what in your mind. 201 00:14:50,500 --> 00:14:55,200 And yet ... following the story of the witness, be considered a valid witness, 202 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:59,300 were only Andre and Jennifer. There was no one. 203 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:05,000 Of course, when we took the first 26 hours, where was she? 204 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,200 He left with someone else? 205 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:11,300 With the Rand in prison, the search By Jennifer was desperate. 206 00:15:12,500 --> 00:15:16,000 Rumors spread that someone, perhaps one of the friends of Rand, 207 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:21,000 Jennifer hid and moved with her late at night by Willowbrook tunnels. 208 00:15:21,300 --> 00:15:25,000 I want my daughter. I want that man talk. 209 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:28,300 I want him to say where Jennifer is. 210 00:15:29,300 --> 00:15:33,200 Despite constant warnings to stay out of Willowbrook, 211 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:35,500 Donna and Jennifer's friends They continued going there. 212 00:15:35,500 --> 00:15:37,000 Commitment: search until she is found Donna and Jennifer's friends They continued going there. 213 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:38,000 Commitment: search until she is found 214 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:38,200 This area has been checked several times by volunteers, policemen and even dogs. Commitment: search until she is found 215 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:42,800 This area has been checked several times by volunteers, policemen and even dogs. 216 00:15:43,100 --> 00:15:49,000 But at that time, a young man passed an area where reported seeing balls of clay, 217 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:55,400 as if someone buried and were drawn back to the trees. 218 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:58,200 It was a very small point, where he noticed the balls. 219 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:02,000 And this made us come back, or have we insisted that we return. 220 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:09,300 Then George showed us place he thought ... have to take a look. 221 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:16,000 The smell, so we started to dig ... 222 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,100 Hence saw their feet. 223 00:16:21,900 --> 00:16:23,500 And everyone stopped. 224 00:16:25,700 --> 00:16:28,500 Father Henry gave the last words. 225 00:16:38,700 --> 00:16:40,000 They took in the forest. 226 00:16:40,700 --> 00:16:46,000 Ernie, a difficult discovery made last night in the town of Staten Island. 227 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:49,000 An arm and a leg leaving a shallow grave. 228 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:52,000 Police and people were on the scene 229 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,500 where the body of 12 years Jennifer Lynn Schweiger was found. 230 00:16:55,500 --> 00:16:59,500 Police warned for everyone to distance themselves from the site, even the father of Jennifer. 231 00:16:59,500 --> 00:17:01,000 He was taken. 232 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:04,800 Yes, the father of Jennifer's here. He is allowed to pass? 233 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,300 Unless they walk on water, they will be on the outside. 234 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:14,000 Two other girls were given as missing in recent years in Staten Island. 235 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:17,900 They will be sought in areas nearby the next day to see what they find. 236 00:17:17,900 --> 00:17:21,600 As a police officer told us tonight. God knows what they can find here. 237 00:17:22,900 --> 00:17:25,000 The discovery of the body Jennifer was about 238 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,400 140 meters of the camp improvised Rand, 239 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:29,800 confirming the nightmare of all. 240 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:34,000 People were angry and wanted justice. 241 00:17:34,900 --> 00:17:36,700 The district attorney, however, 242 00:17:36,700 --> 00:17:40,200 did not have physical evidence Rand linking the disappearance of Jennifer. 243 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,800 The case had virtually only with eyewitnesses, 244 00:17:44,900 --> 00:17:48,800 something the more experienced They knew it was not very reliable. 245 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:53,300 After the largest trial criminal in the history of Staten Island, 246 00:17:53,500 --> 00:17:55,500 Rand was convicted of kidnapping. 247 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:03,000 But the murder sentence was overturned, after the jury could not reach a verdict. 248 00:18:04,900 --> 00:18:07,000 Rand was judged to 25 years 249 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:11,800 and could be elected for parole in 2008. 250 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,800 The residents of Staten Island They like to find scapegoats. 251 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:24,800 But not true. 252 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:29,800 And we do not want to think too much about what that might mean for our society. 253 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:30,800 "Island of Plunder: As the smallest NY village has become a lost paradise " 254 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:32,800 When you look for a place like Staten Island "Island of Plunder: As the smallest NY village has become a lost paradise " 255 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:33,000 When you look for a place like Staten Island 256 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:36,000 It was regarded as a deposit garbage of all sorts of things. 257 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:40,000 The landfill took over, I received all the garbage of the city, 258 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:43,000 Garbage eight million players played in Staten Island. 259 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:48,600 The Agricultural Colony was a place that housed people who had tuberculosis. 260 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:53,000 Willowbrook stored thousands of people and left them there. 261 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,100 It really was like a dump. 262 00:18:55,100 --> 00:18:56,800 Why play in Staten Island? 263 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:57,900 Because that's where it discard things. 264 00:18:57,900 --> 00:19:01,000 You discards children, which difference? You discard waste, discards children. 265 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,000 For Staten Island not It makes any difference, right? 266 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:07,000 See. 267 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,000 Trays of the institution. 268 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:17,000 They are everywhere. 269 00:19:26,900 --> 00:19:36,800 It's like a current that can not be tamed by the construction or urbanization. 270 00:19:37,500 --> 00:19:40,500 You put a lot of people with mental illness together 271 00:19:40,500 --> 00:19:42,800 a lot of people with physical illness 272 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:45,400 and you bury people here and there 273 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,000 and you discard trash and poisons the site 274 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:51,700 and then sit down and scratch your head and wonder, 275 00:19:51,700 --> 00:19:53,700 "God, why're everything going wrong? " 276 00:19:53,700 --> 00:19:57,000 Or "Why has an atmosphere so sinister about Staten Island, such a beautiful place" 277 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:01,070 It is because is due to rumors and about these things that have become evident. 278 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,000 As children, we were deluded by the beliefs of our fathers 279 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,000 that was Staten Island a safe place to grow up. 280 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,400 But actually all community has a seedy side. 281 00:20:12,900 --> 00:20:15,000 Every suburb has its secrets. 282 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,700 We only found out our for what happened to Jennifer. 283 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,000 Then with all the other children. 284 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:31,500 After Donna Cutugno and his group found the body of Jennifer Schweiger, 285 00:20:31,500 --> 00:20:33,500 the police began to connect the dots. 286 00:20:33,900 --> 00:20:36,300 They began to look for other missing children on Staten Island. 287 00:20:36,700 --> 00:20:40,700 They focused on four cases different, covering about 15 years. 288 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:45,700 Tiahease Jackson, a girl 10 years with learning difficulties, 289 00:20:45,700 --> 00:20:48,000 who disappeared Four years before Jennifer. 290 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:52,400 Hank Gafforio, 21 but with IQ of a boy of 15 years, 291 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:55,000 He disappeared three years before Jennifer. 292 00:20:56,000 --> 00:21:00,000 Holly Ann Hughes, 7, who disappeared six years before Jennifer. 293 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:07,000 Finally, Alice Pereira, seen by Last time in 1972, 15 years before Jennifer. 294 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,800 Until this day, the Body none have been found. 295 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:19,000 They are cases of missing persons occurred in Staten Island and have not been solved. 296 00:21:20,900 --> 00:21:24,700 As children we never imagined that we would know the true story behind Cropsey. 297 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:29,700 While Rand was sent to prison, the stories were slipping away. 298 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,500 But now, twenty years later, 299 00:21:33,500 --> 00:21:37,500 perhaps we will have the chance to uncover the truth behind our urban legend. 300 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,500 Because Andre Rand is back. 301 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:48,000 Andre Rand scared one generation of parents and children on Staten Island. 302 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:53,900 Condemned by the disappearance of a girl in the 80s, is back on trial for kidnapping. 303 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:58,000 After spending 17 years in prison, Andre Rand returned to Staten Island 304 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,000 to face trial a girl of seven years, 305 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,400 Holly Ann Hughes, that He disappeared two decades earlier. 306 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,000 His body was never found. 307 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,400 Can you tell us how He met Holly Ann Hughes? 308 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,800 Any comments, please? 309 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:17,400 I love my sister very much. It's been twenty, something I had to carry 310 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,000 For a while incredibly long and I miss her too. 311 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,500 You know, it's nice to know that finally it is being treated as a person 312 00:22:23,500 --> 00:22:25,500 and not as a lost wallet. 313 00:22:25,500 --> 00:22:29,000 This is very important, something that has kind twenty years. 314 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:42,000 The story of another missing child, Holly Ann Hughes, seven years old, disappeared on Wednesday. 315 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,000 So far, no one has any idea of what may have happened to her. 316 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:49,000 She is outgoing, friendly, very lovely, I think. 317 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,400 We just want to bring Holly back home, please. 318 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,400 Today. 319 00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:03,000 And we are looking for for her ... and we will have it back. 320 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:13,000 These are Eddie, Holly Ann and Shwan. 321 00:23:13,500 --> 00:23:21,000 She was a very sweet, typical girl seven year old, kind, beautiful and fun. 322 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:23,500 It's probably one of the last things you think can happen, 323 00:23:23,500 --> 00:23:27,000 Holly Ann's father It's probably one of the last things you think can happen, 324 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,300 someone to take his daughter. 325 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:39,300 His mother and I were talking about this, as we were going through the separation period. 326 00:23:40,500 --> 00:23:42,900 I remember looking all night. 327 00:23:43,900 --> 00:23:45,800 I mean, throughout beside the train tracks, 328 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:50,500 Park Avenue, anywhere I imagined she might be. 329 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:59,000 I was getting very strange links anonymous people who knew where Holly Ann had been. 330 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,000 Crazy things You know, unbelievable things. 331 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,300 But nobody mentioned Andre Rand? 332 00:24:04,300 --> 00:24:06,300 Do Not. 333 00:24:06,300 --> 00:24:09,400 Rand was interviewed and released back in 1981 334 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,500 after being caught in the street Holly Ann the day of his disappearance. 335 00:24:12,500 --> 00:24:14,500 Now, twenty years later, 336 00:24:14,500 --> 00:24:18,500 finally believed to have enough evidence to reach a conclusion. 337 00:24:19,100 --> 00:24:21,900 However, there was another question that concerned residents. 338 00:24:21,900 --> 00:24:24,700 Rand would be parole in less than four years. 339 00:24:24,700 --> 00:24:28,000 What do you mean probably it would walk the streets again. 340 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,500 We are here today supporting family of Holly Ann Hughes. 341 00:24:32,500 --> 00:24:34,400 The question we share with the family is Andre Rand, accused ... 342 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:39,000 Mother of Jennifer The question we share with the family is Andre Rand, accused ... 343 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:40,000 The question we share with the family is Andre Rand, accused ... 344 00:24:40,500 --> 00:24:43,000 ... Bad man. 345 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:49,400 It leaves enraged the fact that he been released since the disappearance of Holly Ann? 346 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,000 I believe that, in fact, Jennifer was that brought it all back to life. 347 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,400 Jennifer's dad I believe that, in fact, Jennifer was that brought it all back to life. 348 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:57,000 Jennifer's dad 349 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,400 There's a reason it has been found first, 350 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,000 and have opened the case Holly Ann Hughes. 351 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,000 Such cases never go away. 352 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:11,000 It is as if the whole community It had been thrown into chaos with it. 353 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:15,800 Here's the guy supposedly walking around picking up these children. 354 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:20,800 I mean, you have all these rumors that run throughout the island on this guy. 355 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:26,500 And the media, you know, the cast in a terrible monster and maybe he can be the same. 356 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:32,000 There are no physical evidence or scientific I know this case. 357 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:34,800 There bodies. 358 00:25:35,900 --> 00:25:37,100 They did not find it. 359 00:25:37,300 --> 00:25:39,000 It's all circumstantial. 360 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:41,100 They were, and dug all they could. They went to his old neighborhood. 361 00:25:41,100 --> 00:25:44,000 [Defense] They were, and dug all they could. They went to his old neighborhood. 362 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,000 They were, and dug all they could. They went to his old neighborhood. 363 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:51,000 They searched his car, there was nothing to find, 364 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:52,000 then I am sure he did not do any of this. 365 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,000 Defense lawyer then I am sure he did not do any of this. 366 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,000 So why do you think the prosecutor insists in this case? 367 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:00,000 Mr. Murphy recently retired. 368 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,400 Defense lawyer Mr. Murphy recently retired. 369 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,000 This was certainly one of his last and further investigations. Defense lawyer 370 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,000 This was certainly one of his last and further investigations. 371 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:11,000 Err, the Rand case, and maybe he wanted end to this before leaving the office. 372 00:26:12,900 --> 00:26:16,000 [The prosecution] 373 00:26:18,700 --> 00:26:21,700 I remember the inedaquações witness accounts of 1981 and 1982. 374 00:26:21,700 --> 00:26:25,500 Lawyer District I remember the inedaquações witness accounts of 1981 and 1982. 375 00:26:25,500 --> 00:26:25,700 Lawyer District 376 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,600 Some of them were involved in alcoholism, 377 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:35,400 They had no clear awareness of what It happened from that day. 378 00:26:36,700 --> 00:26:40,600 But improved to recover their memories. 379 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:48,000 The story of Andre Rand being told is simply an example of what can be done 380 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,500 if people remain vigilant, 381 00:26:50,500 --> 00:26:56,500 remain concerned what happens around you. 382 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,000 Fifteen years after finding the body of Jennifer Schweiger, 383 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,000 Donna Cutugno continues digging the soil 384 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,400 old school State of Willowbrook, 385 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,100 hoping to find evidence from other children. 386 00:27:09,100 --> 00:27:11,500 Who do you think we looking for? 387 00:27:11,500 --> 00:27:16,400 We are looking for Holly and Alice and the other children. 388 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,400 Do you think all They were buried here? 389 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:23,000 Well, I do not know about Alice. Me Me I do not really feel she's here. 390 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,800 I do not know where she might be but I think the rest of them, 391 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,000 including Hank They should be here. 392 00:27:30,300 --> 00:27:32,300 I can imagine how the other parents, 393 00:27:32,300 --> 00:27:34,400 even if your child has gone an hour ago 394 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,300 I can imagine how they should feel. 395 00:27:36,300 --> 00:27:38,000 Without knowing anything. 396 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,700 Back to that primary sense, that could be my son. 397 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,700 They are the most precious things in my life and no one will take my children from me. 398 00:27:46,700 --> 00:27:48,200 - Hello! - Hi! 399 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,200 This is the fourth of Devin. He loves Star Wars and loves George Lucas. 400 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:57,000 One of my reasons children are involved in these things 401 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,200 It is because I have too afraid to leave them. 402 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,300 This whole thing about Rand, assuming he comes out of this ... 403 00:28:02,300 --> 00:28:04,300 He would come after me? 404 00:28:04,300 --> 00:28:07,300 You know, that day ever It was on my mind. 405 00:28:08,500 --> 00:28:12,000 For years, Rand was undergoing several state prisons in New York, 406 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,000 where he shared cell with people like David Berkowitz 407 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,800 Known as "Son of Sam" and the child killer, Joel Steinberg, 408 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:24,300 Weeks before he was transferred to Riker Island for the trial, 409 00:28:25,300 --> 00:28:27,700 We sent letters to him, trying to arrange an interview, 410 00:28:27,700 --> 00:28:29,700 but there was no answer. 411 00:28:29,700 --> 00:28:34,500 So on the day that Barbara and I decided visit him without informing you, we received this letter. 412 00:28:35,500 --> 00:28:36,500 What do you think you're talking about? 413 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,500 He really does not talk to anyone but his lawyer 414 00:28:39,500 --> 00:28:42,000 and for years no He spoke to the press. 415 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,500 No one really You know nothing about it. 416 00:28:45,500 --> 00:28:48,500 He put our number phone at the top and wrote: 417 00:28:48,500 --> 00:28:52,000 "The person who will meet the phone must be Joshua. " 418 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:56,500 "If you wish to receive Mr. Rand matches in the coming months " 419 00:28:56,500 --> 00:29:00,500 this must be done by sending the Rand a legal address post ". 420 00:29:00,700 --> 00:29:03,300 "This is not like with matching, 421 00:29:03,300 --> 00:29:05,800 but with a more form of documentation. " 422 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:11,000 "Note: Rand was informed by his lawyer to accept only legal visits. " 423 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:16,500 "Rand did not personally speak with you because of a subpoena. " 424 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:22,000 What he means is "I will communicate with you as long as you follow our rules. " 425 00:29:28,500 --> 00:29:33,500 [Holly Trial Ann Hughes - Day 1] 426 00:29:49,900 --> 00:29:51,900 Differently other states, 427 00:29:51,900 --> 00:29:53,900 NY does not allow cameras in the courts. 428 00:29:53,900 --> 00:29:57,400 So we were forced to interview several witnesses in the streets 429 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,400 to try some second-hand information. 430 00:30:01,300 --> 00:30:03,800 Seventeen, and never We stop talking about it. 431 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:08,000 It's something that affected everyone I know there Staten Island. 432 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,000 Everyone knew about Andre Rand. 433 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:15,000 But not all, they only in their minds, they did not believe they could get it. 434 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,900 There is no reason it exists elsewhere than the chain. 435 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:29,800 There is one huge fear, you know, the bogeyman come and pick up their children. 436 00:30:51,500 --> 00:30:54,600 This building was where Holly Ann Hughes used to live. 437 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:59,600 The Andre Rand's aunt lived in second floor of this building also. 438 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:05,200 Holly was there were playing one afternoon and Andre Rand was here on a visit. 439 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:11,500 And then he got into his Volkswagen Holly and apparently went down the street to ... 440 00:31:11,500 --> 00:31:13,500 That bakery over there. 441 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,800 Holly was seen for the last time in this bakery 442 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:20,000 down the street where she lives. 443 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,500 A clerk said she came at about 9:30 Wednesday night 444 00:31:22,500 --> 00:31:25,000 27 cents and bought a bar of soap. 445 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:26,800 She was very quiet, you know. 446 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,500 She did not say anything to anyone. 447 00:31:28,500 --> 00:31:30,000 She just took it and left. 448 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,400 Really do not know What happened after that. 449 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:32,900 I worked there. 450 00:31:32,900 --> 00:31:34,300 The girl entered. 451 00:31:34,300 --> 00:31:35,700 - Holly Ann? - Yes. 452 00:31:35,700 --> 00:31:38,300 She came in, and when was it? It was in 1981? 453 00:31:38,300 --> 00:31:39,000 Yes, in 1981. 454 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,200 She came to buy a bar soap and it cost 31 cents. 455 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,500 Why I remember? Why she was missing 4 cents, 456 00:31:45,500 --> 00:31:48,500 and the old man behind the counter do not let anyone give her. 457 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:50,700 That's why I remember. 458 00:31:52,500 --> 00:31:55,700 When I saw your photo I I said "Oh yeah, I've seen this guy before." 459 00:31:55,700 --> 00:31:58,400 He is very quiet, introverted, It did not seem normal. 460 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,500 I think he had a strange way of speaking, but not sure. 461 00:32:01,500 --> 00:32:03,500 And no one He disappeared in that neighborhood? 462 00:32:03,500 --> 00:32:05,500 Yes, Hank Gafforio. 463 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,500 He looked like Mick Jagger. 464 00:32:07,500 --> 00:32:08,500 He disappeared in that neighborhood. 465 00:32:08,500 --> 00:32:10,700 - At what time? - At the same time. 466 00:32:10,700 --> 00:32:12,400 Hank was a little slow. 467 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,000 His brother swears Andre Rand killed him. 468 00:32:21,500 --> 00:32:23,500 They came to me all these years. 469 00:32:23,500 --> 00:32:25,500 This was 18 years ago. 470 00:32:25,500 --> 00:32:27,000 And then they said "We need help"? 471 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,800 Supposedly he was around three, four o'clock in the morning with Rand. 472 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,000 A lot of people came, many people even. 473 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,000 And again, it was more old. And it had a lot to do with it. 474 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,000 He was 21. 475 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,400 We watched this reporter standing in front of the Holly Ann home 476 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,400 and over his shoulder Hank was Gafforio. 477 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,000 It was funny to see him come from behind like that. 478 00:32:58,900 --> 00:33:00,000 There. It's him! 479 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,000 - Right here? - Yes. 480 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:14,800 It's quite a coincidence, do not you think? 481 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:19,000 And it was as I said, before he died, like this guy talk to me. 482 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,000 Just once. 483 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,400 And all he has to do is just give a note to someone and say, 484 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,400 "This is where they are buried." Just this. 485 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:33,000 He sent us, I think ... I think it's the view from your window. 486 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:39,000 - This is the decision and the judge's order ... - About the case of Jennifer Schweiger? 487 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,700 No no no. This is on the case of Holly Ann. 488 00:33:41,700 --> 00:33:46,300 So he's basically responding to each of the witnesses in the last ... 489 00:33:46,300 --> 00:33:48,700 - Testimonies, this. - Preliminary Hearings. 490 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:54,600 It says "Detective Lotito asked the defense if they saw something unusual about Holly Ann at that time " 491 00:33:54,800 --> 00:34:01,000 And the defendant said "She was very, very dirty. Her legs were dirty, his hands were dirty. " 492 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,700 He gave her money and sent it to the market to buy a bar of soap. 493 00:34:05,300 --> 00:34:09,100 The court continually points to speak with Detective up charges. 494 00:34:09,100 --> 00:34:13,100 The defendant never met or saw Hughes some time and neither the defendant confirmed such things. 495 00:34:31,100 --> 00:34:33,100 The only witness Today is Elsie Castro. 496 00:34:33,100 --> 00:34:36,500 She lived on the street where Holly Ann lived. 497 00:34:36,500 --> 00:34:42,000 She said on her side of the street, but a house up, there was a green Volkswagen. 498 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,000 She saw no one inside the car. 499 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:48,400 She went to the house to take a bath and found that there was no soap. 500 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,400 Larry interviewed Elsie Castro. She saw nothing. 501 00:34:54,300 --> 00:34:58,500 But she says she bought a bar soap in the store and lacked 5 cents. 502 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:05,900 It's quite a coincidence that she lacked money when Holly Ann also lacked money 503 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,400 All during the interval time of about one hour. 504 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,400 So you think the other witnesses were mistaken? 505 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,400 I do not know. 506 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:16,300 And if what they said I did not even know the jury know, it is subject to doubt. 507 00:35:17,100 --> 00:35:18,300 This is the car Elsie. 508 00:35:18,300 --> 00:35:20,000 - Elsie Castro? - This. 509 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,000 Here, children always They passed here. 510 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:27,400 - In this corner? And where was the exact point they They believe she was kidnapped? 511 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,000 Well, that's something else. I'm not sure, I see. 512 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:32,800 A Volkswagen. 513 00:35:33,100 --> 00:35:35,800 He turned to see what was happening. 514 00:35:36,500 --> 00:35:45,500 All crimes that we saw, which we turn to him, happened in July except for Tiahease. 515 00:35:45,500 --> 00:35:48,400 This was Tiahease. Aunt. 516 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:04,200 She lived with her mother and I believe had four brothers. 517 00:36:04,700 --> 00:36:07,300 And they were all in one room in the Conca D'Oro. 518 00:36:07,500 --> 00:36:09,700 Community was a hotel at that time. 519 00:36:09,900 --> 00:36:16,400 It was a day of August and the older brother left Tiahease talking to a man. 520 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,500 The man was described as someone who looked like Andre. 521 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,200 She was never seen again. 522 00:36:24,500 --> 00:36:26,500 The evidence is the bodies. 523 00:36:27,100 --> 00:36:31,400 I'm sure, buried somewhere, he has the evidence. 524 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,400 Just do not find in the woods yet. 525 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,000 Come on, sniff. What do you think kid? 526 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,600 Donna is looking for a temporary camps Rand Louis Rivera. 527 00:36:43,100 --> 00:36:46,800 A retired police officer who helped in the search for Jennifer on the day she disappeared. 528 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:51,500 Find the body. 529 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:53,800 Find the body, sniff. 530 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,000 A body that met my dog ​​was buried 22 years ago. 531 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:05,000 Then chances are, it's just a matter of searching, 532 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:09,100 focus on small areas at a time. 533 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:13,300 Let's boy, sniff. 534 00:37:13,300 --> 00:37:14,300 Find the body, boy. 535 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,800 Where do you think most children are? 536 00:37:17,900 --> 00:37:19,800 It's hard to say. 537 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,800 They are buried ... Somewhere in Staten Island. 538 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,100 Detective Frank Saez was one of leading professional 539 00:37:26,100 --> 00:37:29,100 in case the type of missing children in New York. 540 00:37:30,100 --> 00:37:31,900 Well, he could come and say "Listen" 541 00:37:31,900 --> 00:37:35,300 someday, "I will give the bodies" 542 00:37:35,300 --> 00:37:39,400 And take you to the place and you could impinge upon where they are. 543 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:46,400 If you look around, you can see the perimeter of this area and here was one of their camps. 544 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:54,000 Here you do not have a toilet or anything mounted like the Willowbrook. 545 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,000 But children said I could see him sitting here. 546 00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:01,400 So it was here that he lived Durantes the warmer months. 547 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:05,500 Come on, sniff boy. 548 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:12,200 They say the death of a child is the worst kind of crime that anyone can imagine. 549 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,000 Certainly. 550 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,000 But the disappearance a child is even worse. 551 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:23,000 Because if your child dies and you bury, at least you have a place where you can go. 552 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:28,200 When your child disappears, and you do not know where he is, 553 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:35,000 for parents, the child is never dead until a police bring them what's left of it. 554 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,400 Someone used this area here. 555 00:38:40,100 --> 00:38:43,200 See? When you find things like objects or clothing 556 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:48,700 As this child shoe, shampoo, Tape ... 557 00:38:51,900 --> 00:38:54,500 Louis. Come back here. 558 00:38:55,100 --> 00:38:58,800 So we have shoes, tape and notice the how cute the soil is ... 559 00:39:01,900 --> 00:39:05,200 're Cute even. This, smell. 560 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:10,800 Cave, boy. 561 00:39:13,900 --> 00:39:18,000 Are areas like this that we can dig, just to see, since they seem mum little suspicious. 562 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,000 You never know. 563 00:39:22,100 --> 00:39:25,400 Hughes trial Week 2 564 00:39:27,700 --> 00:39:31,400 This officer keeps saying all morning, on the bus, which is said Rand innocent, 565 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,400 And they did not do any of that. 566 00:39:34,100 --> 00:39:41,000 And the official says "Consider a martyr for the safety of children, this is what you are. " 567 00:39:43,900 --> 00:39:47,000 The brother of Holly Ann, Ed Armstrong, testified today. 568 00:39:47,900 --> 00:39:51,800 He was 14 when he saw his sister for the last time on the day she disappeared. 569 00:39:52,500 --> 00:39:55,500 Since then, he became lieutenant the NY Police Department. 570 00:39:56,100 --> 00:39:59,000 He was also instrumental in bringing this case to trial. 571 00:40:00,100 --> 00:40:02,600 If he still has humanity in their souls, 572 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:06,400 maybe he realizes that there is an error on your way 573 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:10,500 And I could forgive him if he in give back what was left of my sister. 574 00:40:11,100 --> 00:40:12,600 And this is all I ever wanted. 575 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,400 I do not care if he had one more day in his ruling ... 576 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,000 All I want It is what's left of my sister. 577 00:40:18,100 --> 00:40:20,800 And if he has any thing of it, he will do it for us. 578 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:27,900 This is Holly Ann ... 579 00:40:28,500 --> 00:40:30,000 Were you involved in all these searches? 580 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,500 Ah yes! 581 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:35,700 For how long you believe that sought? 582 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:39,800 3 years. 583 00:40:39,900 --> 00:40:44,000 "The unlucky seven will surface"? 584 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,200 Rushan was his name. U-S-R-H-A-N. 585 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:53,800 He moved to Rand so Jennifer disappeared. 586 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:56,800 Do you believe that there some credit the idea that 587 00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,400 Jennifer may be buried in the camping area? 588 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,300 They found his head down. 589 00:41:02,500 --> 00:41:05,000 I think, and the blood was on his feet, as if she had been repositioned. 590 00:41:05,100 --> 00:41:07,000 So who do you think ... 591 00:41:07,900 --> 00:41:10,000 This is why I thought maybe they would have others involved. 592 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,300 Rumors about children missing were overwhelming. 593 00:41:16,300 --> 00:41:18,200 Some believe Rand did not act alone 594 00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,200 He had help other homeless. 595 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,200 Or any Willowbrook patient. 596 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,700 Others think he was framed, and the real killer was still out there. 597 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,800 The only person who I knew the truth was the Rand itself. 598 00:41:32,900 --> 00:41:36,000 For weeks, we exchanged letters on hope we get an interview. 599 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,000 But Rand refused to give us any information. 600 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:48,000 He felt that all the unwanted attention would expose the nature of their crimes suspects 601 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,000 to his teammates and put his life in danger. 602 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,700 A video interview while incarcerated It would be like instigating violence 603 00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:59,200 and acts of jealousy over the my life caused by the press. 604 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,800 Since Rand I would not talk with us, 605 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:03,800 We had to follow any track, 606 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,200 finding anyone who could learn more about his past. 607 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,200 Hello, I'm looking for Freer by Richard. He lives here? 608 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,000 He does not live? I thought we lived, he does not live here then? 609 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,100 He lived? 610 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:16,200 Who are these? 611 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,200 All the people who knew Rand. 612 00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,200 - How did they know? - Through Donna notes. 613 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,800 They said, you know, "Rand friend, Known Rand" 614 00:42:23,100 --> 00:42:25,300 Does not recognize none of these names? 615 00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,900 - And Willy died. - Ah yes. 616 00:42:28,700 --> 00:42:30,100 Some Thomas live here? 617 00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:36,000 I was about six, seven years. And we were all out there playing on the court, 618 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,000 The guy came type "Cs want to go on a trip?" 619 00:42:39,100 --> 00:42:42,300 It is right here, the YMCA. He had a bus right here. 620 00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:44,800 It was well parked here, I will never forget. 621 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,700 All we climbed on the bus. Not seen evil, were all children, you know? 622 00:42:48,700 --> 00:42:53,300 He said he would only take us to the park. We ended up at Newark Airport. 623 00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:58,500 Then after that, he took us to a park, it was very dark. 624 00:42:58,500 --> 00:43:00,500 I think it was in Willowbrook park at that time. 625 00:43:01,300 --> 00:43:04,000 Total darkness, all running around playing hide and seek and everything. 626 00:43:04,100 --> 00:43:09,900 When we realized we were being kidnapped and had no idea what was going on. 627 00:43:09,900 --> 00:43:14,700 I think he wanted to do something that does not would end and I think the penny dropped from 628 00:43:14,700 --> 00:43:17,800 "I can not do it this way, Let me pull myself together. " 629 00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:22,200 And I think that's what he did, type "let me work with my fangs" 630 00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,200 And this is what he did. 631 00:43:24,900 --> 00:43:27,300 While some residents were convinced that Rand was guilty, 632 00:43:27,300 --> 00:43:29,000 Others were not so sure. 633 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,900 Excuse? You They know some Thomas Mickle? 634 00:43:31,900 --> 00:43:33,900 - I'm me. - Oh, hi! 635 00:43:33,900 --> 00:43:35,300 I worked with Andre Rand. 636 00:43:35,300 --> 00:43:37,300 - Can we talk to you for a minute? - Clear! 637 00:43:37,300 --> 00:43:39,300 They say he was fully framed in it. 638 00:43:39,300 --> 00:43:43,700 Who combed that area with a fine tooth comb. 639 00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,800 Once arrested Andre Rand, 640 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:51,800 They tried again and then the body I was there, easy to find. 641 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:56,100 So, you know ... Maybe he really did not do it. 642 00:43:56,300 --> 00:43:59,500 - Maybe. - Someone who has moved the body there to frame it. 643 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:04,200 I think they were just trying to frame someone and they will blame him. 644 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:11,200 Because he was lonely and had this looks kind of scary. 645 00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,800 Looking at old files crossed named Bob Graham. 646 00:44:15,100 --> 00:44:20,500 The notes indicated that he met Rand just before being suspected the disappearance of Jennifer. 647 00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:25,100 He worked briefly in a franchise of hamburgers on Forrest Avenue, called Westie's. 648 00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:30,100 And then we used to race in the 60, early '70s, we used to hide there. 649 00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,300 He wore that hat paper and was sweeping the parking lot. 650 00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:37,200 Or behind the counter placing the cheese sandwiches. 651 00:44:37,900 --> 00:44:43,600 And he had this Volkswagen that I realized I was in the woods right behind Willowbrook. 652 00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,600 He was living in the car, there was a way there ... 653 00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:50,900 And I heard things about the tunnel network under the state school of Willowbrook. 654 00:44:50,900 --> 00:44:53,200 It was armed with multiple segments. 655 00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,400 You could leave the cafeteria gardens. 656 00:44:56,500 --> 00:44:59,300 He could survive down there He had worked there since. 657 00:44:59,300 --> 00:45:03,300 - Then there were other people living in the forest? - There were several, was not just him. 658 00:45:03,300 --> 00:45:04,900 I had many people living there. 659 00:45:05,100 --> 00:45:06,900 There's something here. 660 00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,400 See, I find it it he was talking about. 661 00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,200 It has a tunnel, down all the way 662 00:45:15,100 --> 00:45:16,500 It is a city under the city. 663 00:45:16,900 --> 00:45:23,000 Among the rats and sewage system that was passing by, and dirty clothes ... 664 00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,000 - Shelves of clothing, cribs ... - Shelves! 665 00:45:26,900 --> 00:45:29,900 - It's an old wheelchair. - This is very strange. 666 00:45:30,100 --> 00:45:36,800 Certainly men, women and children They lived there, including Andre Rand. 667 00:45:37,100 --> 00:45:39,600 Yes, he had his little circle of friends there. 668 00:45:40,100 --> 00:45:44,000 Look, there's a lot of these holes and all They are well cleaned for living here. 669 00:45:44,300 --> 00:45:47,500 Note the ground. It was totally clean. 670 00:45:48,300 --> 00:45:55,500 Andre Rand had this thing about the lower classes, a white version of Jim Jones * (* See Youtube: Jonestown). 671 00:45:56,500 --> 00:46:01,300 Somehow, he could do that people follow him. 672 00:46:01,300 --> 00:46:04,000 - Who were these people? - Well, he had other homeless. 673 00:46:06,300 --> 00:46:08,300 Someone was living here. 674 00:46:09,100 --> 00:46:11,300 Soup cream mushrooms, dirty dishes ... 675 00:46:12,300 --> 00:46:13,300 Flowers ... 676 00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:20,300 I remember that one day we find a mattress with Prestobarba and toothpaste ... 677 00:46:20,300 --> 00:46:24,000 And men's clothing with a pair of children's underwear. 678 00:46:24,500 --> 00:46:29,400 I think he spent his children to their friends ... 679 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,000 That were so sick as he is. 680 00:46:33,700 --> 00:46:37,500 - Do you think that Rand was the one responsible? - The murder of Jennifer? 681 00:46:39,100 --> 00:46:41,700 No, I do not think he has done everything alone. 682 00:46:42,500 --> 00:46:43,700 They told us lot of strange stories. 683 00:46:43,700 --> 00:46:47,300 They told us strange things about Andre that we could not prove or disprove. 684 00:46:47,300 --> 00:46:52,400 The kind he had sex with people dead, was a story, have you heard or not. 685 00:46:53,000 --> 00:47:00,000 What Andre was used to take bodies the dead in the cemetery and have sex with them. 686 00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:06,400 You thought it strange that sort of thing in Staten Island? 687 00:47:06,500 --> 00:47:10,500 I would never have guessed that there was a lot of weird living in my Staten Island. 688 00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,200 Why people do not They were warned by the things that happened here? 689 00:47:16,500 --> 00:47:19,200 For those remotely knew Andre Rand 690 00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,200 He was a complete mystery. 691 00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:23,500 The more we tried to know about it, 692 00:47:24,300 --> 00:47:26,100 More bizarre the story was. 693 00:47:27,700 --> 00:47:34,000 It was getting hard to tell the difference between fact and legend. 694 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,300 Trial Week 3 695 00:47:51,500 --> 00:47:54,500 In what looked like a replay of the first judgment of Rand, 696 00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:59,500 The charge again was based on eyewitnesses to prove the case. 697 00:48:02,900 --> 00:48:06,600 Some who witnessed were alcoholics or addicts, 698 00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:12,300 They say now able to recall the details that night more than twenty years ago. 699 00:48:17,500 --> 00:48:22,500 Burns changed his story a few times, basically he was drinking when he saw Holly Ann 700 00:48:22,500 --> 00:48:24,800 He sees Rand talking to Holly Ann 701 00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:28,400 He was the first witness He made the connection between Rand and Holly Ann. 702 00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:33,400 - So these 17 years he never spoke? -. This is not an important part of the problem. 703 00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,400 It is a key. He never ruled. 704 00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:40,400 Other witnesses may have provided only the vaguest details on their reports. 705 00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,000 - What was he like? - You would not want to meet him. 706 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:43,800 Martha Hinton Witness - What was he like? - You would not want to meet him. 707 00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:44,500 Martha Hinton Witness 708 00:48:44,500 --> 00:48:46,000 - He was a stranger. - Why? Martha Hinton Witness 709 00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:46,500 - He was a stranger. - Why? 710 00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:48,500 Because it seemed as his killer. 711 00:48:51,300 --> 00:48:53,300 I said what I had to say and it was just that. 712 00:48:53,300 --> 00:48:55,300 Did you see anything in night that Holly Ann disappeared? 713 00:48:55,300 --> 00:48:58,000 Yes, I heard her scream and I heard her say, "Let me go!". 714 00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:03,700 There have been omitted persons information that we find nowadays ... 715 00:49:03,700 --> 00:49:07,400 - As drug addicts, drug dealers. 716 00:49:07,700 --> 00:49:09,400 Fact that you needed? 717 00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,900 Needed him have it placed within the car. 718 00:49:12,100 --> 00:49:13,800 Put it in the car? 719 00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:15,700 And you had no witness who saw him put it in the car? 720 00:49:15,700 --> 00:49:16,500 Not at the time. 721 00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,900 He came out of that little car Green and asked us if we wanted bullet. 722 00:49:19,900 --> 00:49:22,000 She went to pick up, put his arm in the car when he opened the door and was the last time I saw her. 723 00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,500 Tanya Goodson Witness She went to pick up, put his arm in the car when he opened the door and was the last time I saw her. 724 00:49:25,500 --> 00:49:25,700 Tanya Goodson Witness 725 00:49:26,100 --> 00:49:29,700 In a surprising turn of events, Tanya Goodsen was called to his testimony. 726 00:49:29,700 --> 00:49:30,000 Friend Holly Ann says: Masked man took 727 00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:31,700 Holly Ann-worker I was 6 years old at the time, Friend Holly Ann says: Masked man took 728 00:49:31,700 --> 00:49:32,300 Holly Ann-worker I was 6 years old at the time, 729 00:49:32,300 --> 00:49:35,500 Tanya testified that he saw Rand wearing a mask 730 00:49:35,700 --> 00:49:38,400 And holding some candy, Holly Ann putting inside your car. 731 00:49:39,300 --> 00:49:41,300 Well, when you say he took Holly Ann 732 00:49:41,300 --> 00:49:43,300 He was wearing a mask. Tell me more about this. 733 00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:45,300 I do not remember the mask, 734 00:49:45,300 --> 00:49:48,000 All I know is that his face was covered, I could not see his face. 735 00:49:48,700 --> 00:49:50,300 So it may be that It was not a mask, 736 00:49:50,300 --> 00:49:52,300 Maybe he downloaded the head or ... 737 00:49:52,300 --> 00:49:54,000 No, your face whole was covered. 738 00:49:54,100 --> 00:49:56,000 But when you I said "You want candy?" 739 00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,500 he looked scary, the way you spoke? 740 00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:00,000 He looked very scary. 741 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,500 You knew Jennifer and Also Holly Ann. 742 00:50:03,500 --> 00:50:06,300 Yes, I knew several of which he kidnapped. 743 00:50:06,900 --> 00:50:11,000 - Did you know Hank Gafforio? - This does not, but he knew Latisha. 744 00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,000 Tiahease. Tiahease Jackson. - Yes. 745 00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:18,400 All these people you met, growing up in Staten Island, disappeared. 746 00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,400 - What do you think of this? - I do not think anything because I was too young. 747 00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:25,800 And now that I'm older, I came here to do what I should do 748 00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,000 And I feel much better now. 749 00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,300 - Mr Rand, what you have to say for the people of Staten Island? 750 00:50:37,300 --> 00:50:40,100 They perpetuated a fraud. 751 00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,400 - 675 Street Tyson. - Yes, this is it. 752 00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:12,900 30 years ago. 753 00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,700 - Alice lived here with ...? - With her mother. 754 00:51:24,700 --> 00:51:25,000 Rita Dimartino Aunt Alice Pereira - Alice lived here with ...? - With her mother. 755 00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,000 Who had multiple sclerosis, Rita Dimartino Aunt Alice Pereira 756 00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:27,300 was about 26 years at the time. Rita Dimartino Aunt Alice Pereira 757 00:51:27,300 --> 00:51:29,600 was about 26 years at the time. 758 00:51:31,100 --> 00:51:34,900 And of course, Andre Rand He was right there all the time. 759 00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:38,400 Right there where is that door, and he was the caretaker here. 760 00:51:38,900 --> 00:51:40,600 And at that time, where the father was? 761 00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,800 They were separated. There were about 3 years who were separated. 762 00:51:44,100 --> 00:51:44,400 And that's why the detectives thought that the father could have picked up the child, 763 00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:48,400 Alice alive in Puerto Rico? And that's why the detectives thought that the father could have picked up the child, 764 00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:48,600 Another zero in the search for missing girl And that's why the detectives thought that the father could have picked up the child, 765 00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:48,800 Another zero in the search for missing girl 766 00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:52,400 then not focused on the fact that the child has been abducted by some depraved. Another zero in the search for missing girl 767 00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:52,600 Another zero in the search for missing girl 768 00:52:02,500 --> 00:52:04,500 We just want the closing it, just that. 769 00:52:05,700 --> 00:52:07,300 Of course. 770 00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:10,300 It's been so long. 771 00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,000 It seems that every world has already forgotten. 772 00:52:18,700 --> 00:52:21,500 He sent us a photo their identity in Riker Island. 773 00:52:22,300 --> 00:52:26,000 "Dear Barbara, you know I can not answer some of your questions now. 774 00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,600 The documentary you put such faith 775 00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:32,700 It never works as evidence in my defense in my book. 776 00:52:32,700 --> 00:52:36,500 His intention is good, but more later other filmmakers 777 00:52:36,500 --> 00:52:38,100 depart from where you stopped. 778 00:52:38,300 --> 00:52:40,500 While in prison, I will give to these producers 779 00:52:40,500 --> 00:52:42,700 reasons for me treat it as a bad person. 780 00:52:42,700 --> 00:52:44,700 You know, wickedness sell. 781 00:52:44,700 --> 00:52:46,700 This is how they play. " 782 00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:48,600 Rand was right. 783 00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,400 Wickedness, not the facts, it was forcing this trial. 784 00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,400 But then the coincidences They could not be ignored. 785 00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:56,600 We knew we would have to get an interview. 786 00:52:56,600 --> 00:53:00,000 But now, in turn, the Rand asked to prove his innocence. 787 00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:04,300 "Barbara, write me exact list of issues 788 00:53:04,300 --> 00:53:07,300 or discussions will you do to me during the documentary. " 789 00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,400 This is the road I I think he took Holly Ann. 790 00:53:16,300 --> 00:53:17,400 All evidence leads us here, very close to the Baron Hirsch. 791 00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,600 Jack Whitford - Patrol Civil observation Stapleton All evidence leads us here, very close to the Baron Hirsch. 792 00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:22,800 He had a tent here. 793 00:53:23,300 --> 00:53:25,000 We believed that was his. 794 00:53:27,300 --> 00:53:29,000 It can be some of these graves here. 795 00:53:29,300 --> 00:53:31,300 If he had one foot goat or something, 796 00:53:31,300 --> 00:53:32,800 he could have the cover removed 797 00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,000 the body placed along the other dead, 798 00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,200 and closed it again, no one would ever find out. 799 00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:38,800 - You have a lot of it loose. - Yes. 800 00:53:38,900 --> 00:53:40,800 It has a body here, Right below. 801 00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:42,800 I do not know how background buried them. 802 00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:45,300 They are all children. 803 00:53:46,100 --> 00:53:48,000 At the beginning, we thinking that maybe 804 00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:52,000 he had them to be sold used in rituals or things like that. 805 00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:53,300 Seriously? 806 00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,300 - Do you think definitivamente- - I would not doubt it. 807 00:53:57,300 --> 00:54:00,000 I mean, what makes you think this could have happened? 808 00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:04,300 Well, Sam's son was there and this leads us to the story of rituals. 809 00:54:04,500 --> 00:54:10,600 I do not think that just because someone thought about it twenty years ago today do not know, but ... 810 00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:12,600 They still think about it. 811 00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:26,000 Andre was involved satanic ritual 812 00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,000 and being native of Staten Island 813 00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:32,300 I really could not believe how much this ... 814 00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,300 how big was it in State Island. 815 00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:40,700 We were in an establishment, where the basement was organized, like, 816 00:54:40,700 --> 00:54:43,000 kind of like something They might call church. 817 00:54:43,100 --> 00:54:45,400 And they used celebrate their ceremonies. 818 00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,200 In fact, it was the Land of Willowbrook School. 819 00:54:48,700 --> 00:54:52,000 So you do not think you may have been some kids, like ... 820 00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:54,600 Definitely not. Not even. I think they were adults. 821 00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,000 Where they could do their ceremonies. 822 00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,800 I believe Andre Rand and the gang were part of it. 823 00:55:01,100 --> 00:55:03,400 If began with the thing, or not, were part of it. 824 00:55:04,100 --> 00:55:07,100 It's hard for us to believe but, if you have to convince someone, 825 00:55:07,100 --> 00:55:09,500 that was real, Indeed, what would you say? 826 00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:17,000 I would say ... take some of their friends, sit down and talk to them. 827 00:55:17,900 --> 00:55:21,200 And then the conversation, you would realize how serious the situation is. 828 00:55:22,500 --> 00:55:25,500 Once I was invited to room to talk to them, 829 00:55:25,700 --> 00:55:30,000 when reminded of me, and started tell me about devil worship in Staten Island. 830 00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:33,000 Perhaps he was part of worship and I do not believe it. 831 00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,500 What these people believed What was happening? 832 00:55:36,100 --> 00:55:39,200 That maybe some of these devil worshipers had links with the missing children. 833 00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:43,000 You can not paint parallels with things and say "Oh yeah". 834 00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:49,500 You know, I can take a picture of anyone, right? And I can tell 835 00:55:49,500 --> 00:55:52,300 "This guy is a mass murderer" 836 00:55:54,500 --> 00:55:57,100 hence they say "Yes, it is, for sure." 837 00:55:57,100 --> 00:56:02,500 Or I can say, "This guy rescued six people from a burning building " 838 00:56:02,700 --> 00:56:05,400 "I am sure that he's a good man. " 839 00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:24,800 In addition to the police investigation, 840 00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:28,100 other evidence of cult activities They were sent to Jennifer's family. 841 00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:33,900 A mysterious letter claimed that Rand provided children for the "Church of the Process" 842 00:56:34,900 --> 00:56:39,400 The same cult that David Berkowitz says helping him to commit crimes (Son of Sam - Son of Sam Murders) 843 00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,400 This anonymous letter was traced Veronica Lueken, 844 00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:45,100 A local woman followed their own religion. 845 00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:49,300 Basically, this right back here group 846 00:56:49,300 --> 00:56:52,300 They wrote these letters of 10.04.87 847 00:56:52,300 --> 00:56:54,700 which are then months the disappearance of Jennifer. 848 00:56:54,700 --> 00:56:57,000 "I thought of writing this letter to try to clarify to you 849 00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:58,600 and simultaneously remind them 850 00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:00,000 about the crimes They are being allowed on the island. 851 00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:03,500 I checked the recent disappearances and the murders of these children 852 00:57:03,500 --> 00:57:07,700 and it seems that some of them were victims of what he calls Satanic Black Mass. 853 00:57:08,100 --> 00:57:10,500 Andre Rand did not kill Jennifer. 854 00:57:10,500 --> 00:57:13,000 All that did was bring it to the brotherhood. 855 00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:14,900 It's a shame that they have covered this, 856 00:57:14,900 --> 00:57:17,400 but who wants to admit that Staten Island You are literally going to hell? 857 00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:19,000 It is a plot of picnic for them. 858 00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:21,200 There are buried bodies you will never find. " 859 00:57:28,700 --> 00:57:30,300 We can talk to you for a minute? 860 00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:33,300 Can you tell me a summary of what you said? 861 00:57:33,300 --> 00:57:36,500 Veronica had visions about human sacrifices in a table 862 00:57:36,500 --> 00:57:39,900 and these priests Satanic sticking knives into it. 863 00:57:39,900 --> 00:57:43,000 - Do you believe this is really happening? - Yes for sure. 864 00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:45,400 You know, they go to the forest ... 865 00:57:45,700 --> 00:57:49,000 - It would be great if you speak on behalf of your organization- - For my safety, not I want to be filmed. 866 00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:50,800 - What if we only record audio? - It's all right. 867 00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:52,000 Since you are worried about them ... 868 00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,800 I'm worried about the satânicos- priests Veronica was on a hit list. 869 00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:57,500 She came up with all this knowledge they do not want her to have. 870 00:57:57,500 --> 00:57:59,600 They do not want to be recognized or exposed. 871 00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:02,900 - So you believe they are around, around us? - Yes! 872 00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,100 This is the transcription an interview 873 00:58:07,100 --> 00:58:11,000 that detectives did with Andre Rand in 1998 when he was at Sing Sing. 874 00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:17,900 In the first half hour they argue about devil worship. 875 00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:21,300 "So you were in a tent when he told you could 876 00:58:21,300 --> 00:58:23,600 It is occurring activities Satanic in Willowbrook. 877 00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:27,400 Now, in 1987, did you hear about this service working near the neighborhood, 878 00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:29,100 with human sacrifices ... 879 00:58:29,100 --> 00:58:32,200 you did not get to say 'maybe they are the ones who took the little girl '? 880 00:58:32,300 --> 00:58:33,500 It crossed your mind? " 881 00:58:33,700 --> 00:58:35,800 When you were in Sing Sing for 98 882 00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:38,600 You talked to him on numerous things about devil worship. 883 00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:42,800 Well ... 884 00:58:44,300 --> 00:58:46,200 It was something that seemed to have to do. 885 00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:55,000 But as I said, we found nothing linking Andre that kind of people. 886 00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:58,000 There was something called "The Church of the Process" years ago 887 00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:00,000 that was heavily linked to satanic cults 888 00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:04,300 and the founder of that Church lived in Staten Island. 889 00:59:05,500 --> 00:59:07,300 And he lived here for a long time. 890 00:59:09,900 --> 00:59:12,600 Yeah, I mean, he was no longer on active duty? What do you know about it? 891 00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:15,400 No he is not. Supposedly it is no longer active. 892 00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:18,600 - He came to deny or element - I never interviewed ... 893 00:59:21,300 --> 00:59:24,000 There were satanic rituals? People who practiced it? 894 00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:26,000 Of course yes. 895 00:59:26,700 --> 00:59:28,700 But it's something that was in the dead ... 896 00:59:28,700 --> 00:59:33,000 something that very few departments investigated. 897 00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,000 Devil worship It is devil worship. 898 00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:42,800 It's like being a Catholic. Do you believe in God and Jesus. 899 00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:45,800 They believe in the devil. 900 00:59:46,500 --> 00:59:48,800 Have you been to houses or in the woods? 901 00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:51,500 They could be in homes, or They could be in the forest. 902 00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:53,600 Have you been in mental hospitals abandoned? 903 00:59:53,700 --> 00:59:56,400 They can be used for such a ... 904 00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:59,000 And they used children? 905 00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:02,000 I prefer not to answer it. 906 01:00:07,900 --> 01:00:14,000 Basically, this is the area known as the Agricultural Colony, 907 01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:20,000 and it is here that said that worship the devil and those things that were going on. 908 01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:33,000 I'm not saying there's nothing here. 909 01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:35,600 Maybe it's just the imagination of people. 910 01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:38,600 Well, it's scary because you do not know who could be here ... 911 01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:40,900 but no devil worshipers. 912 01:00:40,900 --> 01:00:43,100 There are some crosses on the walls the building, all the way. 913 01:00:43,300 --> 01:00:45,600 - We should go there. - Let's take a look. 914 01:00:47,900 --> 01:00:49,600 Building "A". 915 01:00:49,900 --> 01:00:51,900 BarbaraM you want to go? Lets go in. 916 01:00:51,900 --> 01:00:54,900 - No, I will not go there. - But we can not see anything if we do not enter. 917 01:00:54,900 --> 01:00:56,900 I do not .. we ... I will not go ... 918 01:00:56,900 --> 01:00:59,300 We were in there during the day, I will not go. 919 01:00:59,700 --> 01:01:01,300 Are you afraid? 920 01:01:01,300 --> 01:01:03,500 We do not even know if ... I will not go. 921 01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:07,500 I'll. 922 01:01:07,500 --> 01:01:09,500 What the fuck I'm doing here? 923 01:01:19,300 --> 01:01:21,300 My God! 924 01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:23,300 Sorry, I left the lantern fall. 925 01:01:23,300 --> 01:01:27,100 It was the flashlight, I sorry. It was an accident. 926 01:01:32,700 --> 01:01:34,700 You know what, not'm order to stay here. 927 01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:39,200 What? 928 01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:41,500 - You heard? - Yes. 929 01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:49,200 They're coming? 930 01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:03,200 God of heaven !! 931 01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:08,000 - Why you are here tonight? - We hear stories. 932 01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:09,500 Just wanted know what it was, and such. 933 01:02:09,500 --> 01:02:11,000 What do you think You will find here? 934 01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:12,900 People who died here ... Supposedly, it was to have ghosts. 935 01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:14,900 Scouring the Agricultural Colony, 936 01:02:14,900 --> 01:02:18,200 all we found were scaring each other young forest, 937 01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:20,900 just like we did twenty years ago ... 938 01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:23,500 - Do you believe that there are Devil worshipers here? - Ah yes. 939 01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:27,000 There were people who said that they were making bizarre experiments and stuff. 940 01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:29,000 What makes us come here? 941 01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:31,000 What makes us believe in these stories? 942 01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:33,000 Is there some truth in all this? 943 01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:35,300 You've heard about children missing here in Staten Island? 944 01:02:35,300 --> 01:02:36,800 Why? You They are here for this? 945 01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:38,600 They found a girl, Jennifer Schweiger, 946 01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:41,000 buried in the ground the Willowbrook asylum. 947 01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:43,000 I remember my mother saying something about it. 948 01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:45,000 She had some delay? 949 01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:50,000 Perhaps, someone's killing a reality child is too much for people cope. 950 01:02:51,900 --> 01:02:53,900 So, we built our own monsters. 951 01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:05,400 He is not going to testify, I am very disappointed to say. 952 01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:09,000 Rand, kidnapper, not will position He is not going to testify, I am very disappointed to say. 953 01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:09,900 Rand, kidnapper, not will position 954 01:03:09,900 --> 01:03:11,900 He seemed to be wanting disseminate information. 955 01:03:11,900 --> 01:03:13,900 Of course, not necessarily confess something, 956 01:03:13,900 --> 01:03:15,900 but certainly he was very impatient. 957 01:03:15,900 --> 01:03:20,800 And this seemed a good sign to the people who want to get information from them. 958 01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:25,000 He is angry that he did not giving testimony? 959 01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:27,800 It would have been interesting because We never even heard him speak. 960 01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:33,800 So it's very difficult to have some feeling about a person 961 01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:35,700 you do not know. 962 01:03:35,700 --> 01:03:37,000 You do not even know as is their voice. 963 01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:39,000 - How do you not put Andre to testify? 964 01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:41,600 Andre does not have much to add. 965 01:03:44,900 --> 01:03:46,000 And he has a criminal record. 966 01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:50,300 And a criminal record could distract this case. 967 01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:53,000 The jury will deliver case on Monday 968 01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:58,000 and, if convicted, could face an addition Ran 25 years to the time when it is already sentenced. 969 01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:01,000 Staten Island, Amanda Ferinacci, New York One. 970 01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:15,800 Rand was upset for not having given the testimony and wanted a chance to defend himself. 971 01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:20,400 After months writing letters, he finally he agreed to give us an interview. 972 01:04:21,900 --> 01:04:24,400 It was time to confront Rand face to face. 973 01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:28,400 For answers once and for all. 974 01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:01,800 He did the same with me. 975 01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:05,000 After that interview Initial we had with him 976 01:05:05,900 --> 01:05:11,000 we write to he came back and he said 977 01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:13,600 "Sure, no problem, go back and we'll talk again, 978 01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:15,600 But you should come to my house. " 979 01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:18,500 "I can not move. 980 01:05:18,500 --> 01:05:21,000 I will not speak with you unless I come to see me at my house. " 981 01:05:22,300 --> 01:05:24,000 And we went there ... 982 01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:29,000 He said the jailer "I changed your mind, do not want to talk to them. " 983 01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:36,000 He will not talk to us. 984 01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:40,000 We're coming home. 985 01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:45,300 It's a game to him. 986 01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:48,000 For me, it is a very smart guy. 987 01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:51,800 He knew how to commit crime and not get caught. 988 01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:53,800 And as he told me, 989 01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:57,800 "Why do not you They found the real killer? " 990 01:05:59,900 --> 01:06:03,700 "It was their sins that made him hide his face so he will not hear you. 991 01:06:03,700 --> 01:06:06,700 His hands are divorced covered in blood, his fingers full of guilt, 992 01:06:06,700 --> 01:06:10,000 his lips express falsehood and his tongue speaketh lies. " 993 01:06:11,900 --> 01:06:16,000 Josh and I decided to postpone the answer the Rand after his most recent letters. 994 01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:19,300 They were each increasingly bizarre. 995 01:06:19,900 --> 01:06:22,300 His handwriting had changed. 996 01:06:22,900 --> 01:06:25,000 And now he quoted Bible verses. 997 01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:28,200 "No one pleads their cause with justice, nobody does defense with integrity 998 01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:30,500 They are supported by arguments empty and speak lies 999 01:06:30,500 --> 01:06:33,300 They conceive mischief and generate lawlessness. 1000 01:06:33,300 --> 01:06:36,600 Hatch snake eggs and weave spider webs. 1001 01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:41,000 Anyone who eats their eggs dies, and a crushed egg comes out a viper. " 1002 01:06:41,900 --> 01:06:44,400 "My position on beliefs of sexual deviations. 1003 01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:46,400 Children are emo- finally worn, 1004 01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:49,200 And the place is littered with all these broken lives. " 1005 01:06:49,700 --> 01:06:51,200 Why he continues focusing on women? 1006 01:06:51,900 --> 01:06:54,100 Does he see any thing as a kid? 1007 01:06:54,100 --> 01:06:57,600 I mean, no one really knows nothing about his childhood. 1008 01:06:58,100 --> 01:06:59,900 We ship the cards for you, we have all. 1009 01:06:59,900 --> 01:07:02,800 Talk about, well, your father died in 1958 ... 1010 01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:04,800 - When he was 14 ... - When he was 14 years old. 1011 01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:07,400 His mother was in the Pilgrim I was told by the State. 1012 01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:15,400 Pilgrim State was built exactly following the model of Willowbrook. 1013 01:07:16,100 --> 01:07:18,300 They even ... the same purpose? 1014 01:07:18,300 --> 01:07:20,800 Same purpose, same type of building 1015 01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:23,500 Same system of tunnels, Even kitchens system. 1016 01:07:25,900 --> 01:07:31,200 Rand wrote in her letters that her mother was committed asylum Pilgrim State in Long Island. 1017 01:07:31,900 --> 01:07:34,200 In his teens, he visited frequently. 1018 01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:38,900 With a population that It surpassed the 13,000 residents 1019 01:07:38,900 --> 01:07:42,500 Pilgrim State is the most mental institution in the world, 1020 01:07:43,500 --> 01:07:45,500 much like in Willowbrook. 1021 01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:49,500 This new connection Family Rand 1022 01:07:49,500 --> 01:07:51,300 something that was not We could ignore. 1023 01:07:51,300 --> 01:07:53,300 We tried several times to enter in contact with a woman 1024 01:07:53,300 --> 01:07:55,300 we think be sister Rand. 1025 01:07:55,300 --> 01:07:58,200 Excuse? We Are making a documentary, 1026 01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:00,900 and we would talk to you about ... 1027 01:08:00,900 --> 01:08:02,900 I think it is your brother, Andre Rand? 1028 01:08:02,900 --> 01:08:06,400 The only contact I ever had with him It was when he needed me. 1029 01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:08,400 I know nothing about his life. 1030 01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:11,000 If he did or did not some thing, I could not tell you. 1031 01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:16,900 Something happened in your life that you He believes that led him down the wrong path? 1032 01:08:17,100 --> 01:08:20,300 I've been asked this: You were abused when they were children? 1033 01:08:20,300 --> 01:08:22,500 They were molested? And no, we were not. 1034 01:08:22,700 --> 01:08:24,900 My mother always had emotional problems. 1035 01:08:24,900 --> 01:08:27,400 It was not a bad mother. She had problems. 1036 01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:30,400 But thus we were not abused. Not apanhávamos. 1037 01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:32,400 We're not trying to do that no one should confess something. 1038 01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:34,800 - No, it's just for "Why?" It's like giving us alguma- 1039 01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:36,800 Try to understand why. 1040 01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:39,100 I tried it for years, and never I could understand. 1041 01:08:39,300 --> 01:08:42,000 No replies to this, and I do not believe there is any. 1042 01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:47,500 I can tell you something, my opinion? I think you two are being manipulated by him. 1043 01:08:58,500 --> 01:09:01,300 Received Friday, June 20. 1044 01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:04,900 Hello? Joshua Zeman? Here is Andre Rand. 1045 01:09:04,900 --> 01:09:07,400 I wonder if you I received my letter. 1046 01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:10,000 It's been two weeks now. 1047 01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:14,000 And you have not answered me yet. 1048 01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:32,000 You still feel that they did not enough at that time? 1049 01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:36,800 I do not ... I do not, I think it all worked but did not think it was properly coordinated. 1050 01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:40,000 I mean, there's so much surfacing I did not know. 1051 01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:43,900 And here they are, and if they do not follow, 1052 01:09:43,900 --> 01:09:45,300 I would not be here today. 1053 01:09:45,300 --> 01:09:47,300 It would have been established 23 years ago. 1054 01:09:47,300 --> 01:09:49,200 You believe it You are damned? 1055 01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:52,000 Not with this evidence, it is not believable. 1056 01:09:52,100 --> 01:09:55,500 You have 12 people and some of them get stuck on some things 1057 01:09:55,500 --> 01:09:58,100 and believe he is guilty or not. 1058 01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:01,600 The issue of innocence or culprit is far more fundamental. 1059 01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:03,400 This guy already has a criminal record 1060 01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:07,300 And that jury, in their hearts 1061 01:10:07,300 --> 01:10:09,600 if they allow this guy is free 1062 01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:11,600 only summer another tragedy. 1063 01:10:15,500 --> 01:10:18,500 The jury took a week to deliberate on the Rand destination 1064 01:10:18,500 --> 01:10:21,700 which gave us the opportunity to look for one last person. 1065 01:10:22,100 --> 01:10:26,900 Reverend Muskett, a preacher who Rand welcomed into your home in the last days 1066 01:10:26,900 --> 01:10:28,900 before his arrest in 1987. 1067 01:10:29,500 --> 01:10:31,400 For months we seek about his whereabouts. 1068 01:10:32,100 --> 01:10:34,400 Until a detective finally He revealed in his address. 1069 01:10:38,700 --> 01:10:40,700 Hello, I'm looking for the Lord Muskett. 1070 01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:44,200 I do not know if he will want get more involved with this story. 1071 01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:47,800 Perhaps you feel that your family has negative attention 1072 01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:49,800 as a result all this, I know that. 1073 01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:51,800 - Yes, really we feel it. - Yes. 1074 01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:53,800 This is one of the reasons we came to Pennsylvania. 1075 01:10:58,500 --> 01:11:00,500 So Rand was living in your home 1076 01:11:00,500 --> 01:11:03,100 as was suspected by disappearance of Jennifer? 1077 01:11:03,100 --> 01:11:08,200 Yes, it was the very insistence police ... 1078 01:11:08,300 --> 01:11:10,200 we welcome Rand in our house. 1079 01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:13,900 Bold bait in the case sequestration 1080 01:11:13,900 --> 01:11:14,000 Reverend endangered his own family 1081 01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:17,900 They bugged the house and They had a surveillance car Reverend endangered his own family 1082 01:11:17,900 --> 01:11:18,500 They bugged the house and They had a surveillance car 1083 01:11:18,500 --> 01:11:21,500 which was in the corner day and night. 1084 01:11:24,500 --> 01:11:27,500 Church of "God Within" 1085 01:11:29,500 --> 01:11:32,500 Room where Rand was 1086 01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:36,200 We could not tell people what we were doing, 1087 01:11:36,900 --> 01:11:38,200 therefore, obviously, if we said 1088 01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:41,100 he would know and would go away. 1089 01:11:41,900 --> 01:11:43,800 Then, while community did not know 1090 01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:46,000 were friends Andre Rand. 1091 01:11:46,700 --> 01:11:48,300 Confronted Reverend by rioters 1092 01:11:48,300 --> 01:11:49,300 - They threatened you physically? - Some people do. Confronted Reverend by rioters 1093 01:11:49,300 --> 01:11:52,300 - They threatened you physically? - Some people do. 1094 01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:55,000 They do not saw as a friend. 1095 01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:57,700 But I was friend of Jennifer. 1096 01:12:01,900 --> 01:12:03,900 Why you believe he took Jennifer? 1097 01:12:03,900 --> 01:12:05,900 He told me. 1098 01:12:06,300 --> 01:12:07,900 He told me who took it. 1099 01:12:09,500 --> 01:12:13,300 He took it by believe she was ... 1100 01:12:13,300 --> 01:12:16,000 That her family not wanted, 1101 01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:19,000 and that she was alone, 1102 01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:26,000 and he felt that people who possessed a mental disability 1103 01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:28,000 They should not live. 1104 01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:30,000 Some clues of searches for missing children 1105 01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:39,600 Not thinking that people would enjoy, or cared or liked 1106 01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:42,000 someone who had a mental handicap. 1107 01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:50,000 Andre believed that these little girls came from families 1108 01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:53,800 which could not give them anything. 1109 01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:56,800 Then the best would be that they were not around. 1110 01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:00,800 It seemed that he thought it was part of its mission 1111 01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:04,000 to clean the world 1112 01:13:06,700 --> 01:13:08,300 Imperfect children, 1113 01:13:08,300 --> 01:13:10,000 in his view. 1114 01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:15,300 Because her mother have had some type of mental instability 1115 01:13:15,300 --> 01:13:20,300 and for him to see these other people as "not perfect" 1116 01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:28,500 I personally believe that in place to see them may grow up and have children, 1117 01:13:28,500 --> 01:13:31,000 it would be the saving and taking off. 1118 01:13:32,900 --> 01:13:35,100 One of my sons It has mental retardation. 1119 01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:38,900 I walked with him, his name is Chippy. 1120 01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:44,100 What probably attracted to ... 1121 01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:46,100 for ... 1122 01:13:49,900 --> 01:13:51,500 Well, for us ... 1123 01:13:51,700 --> 01:13:54,700 Due to the way Chippy was that. 1124 01:13:56,700 --> 01:13:58,200 I think he It is possessed. 1125 01:13:58,900 --> 01:14:02,000 I really believe that he is possessed and possessed 1126 01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:07,000 We did the same questions that you are doing for me. 1127 01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:10,000 "Why did he do it?" "What led to this?" 1128 01:14:10,100 --> 01:14:12,500 Believe me, we were open to all possibilities. 1129 01:14:12,500 --> 01:14:13,700 We consider a lot of things. Of any kind, or reason. 1130 01:14:13,900 --> 01:14:16,400 When I finally interviewed, it would be the last interview 1131 01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:18,400 when he would be taken back to his alibi 1132 01:14:20,100 --> 01:14:21,800 we had to rent a hotel room. 1133 01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:25,700 We said "Andre, you see, we have this tape Willowbrook. 1134 01:14:25,700 --> 01:14:27,300 Remember you I used to work there? " 1135 01:14:27,300 --> 01:14:30,500 "Oh yes, it was terrible." "Remember how Geraldo Rivera exposed the place"? 1136 01:14:30,500 --> 01:14:32,300 And he said "Yes, but I never saw " 1137 01:14:32,300 --> 01:14:35,000 "But we saw, I would go up and see? We have a VCR here. " 1138 01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:37,000 And he said "You know, I would rather." 1139 01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:41,100 And we say that it worked in Willowbrook for two years, he was a physical therapist, 1140 01:14:41,100 --> 01:14:44,300 Maybe you have something on that tape that will shake you. 1141 01:14:48,500 --> 01:14:52,100 "It may be that the government defend and explain the cost cuts 1142 01:14:52,100 --> 01:14:54,200 for mental hygiene department, 1143 01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:56,200 and that Dr. Miller can explain 1144 01:14:56,200 --> 01:14:58,200 and defend the poor and degrading conditions 1145 01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:00,200 we find in this and other buildings, 1146 01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:02,200 but they did not will this program. 1147 01:15:02,200 --> 01:15:04,200 What we find and We document here 1148 01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:06,200 It is a disgrace for all of us. 1149 01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:07,500 This place does not It is a school, 1150 01:15:07,500 --> 01:15:09,300 It is a dark place where We throw our children 1151 01:15:09,300 --> 01:15:10,800 we do not consider beautiful to be looking. 1152 01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:12,800 It is more like a leper colony. 1153 01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:26,800 We sat in their side, and he began to cry. 1154 01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:31,600 He said "They saw how there was? See how was it? We were victims too." 1155 01:15:31,900 --> 01:15:34,600 Referring to the assistants or to people who worked there. 1156 01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:42,700 He just sat and his eyes, like, rolled up, 1157 01:15:42,700 --> 01:15:44,700 and he started drooling in the hotel room. 1158 01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:47,600 We could see the What happened to it 1159 01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:50,200 and it's like you could kneel facing him and 1160 01:15:51,500 --> 01:15:53,700 "Tell me! Tell us the truth now, "you know? 1161 01:15:53,700 --> 01:15:55,000 "God will forgive you" 1162 01:15:56,900 --> 01:16:00,500 We were so close that we think we could, but give it began to sway. 1163 01:16:03,900 --> 01:16:06,300 He was that way all night, 1164 01:16:06,500 --> 01:16:10,300 the next day too, and he only returned to talk to people in 2 or 3 days later. 1165 01:16:23,900 --> 01:16:25,600 As it is initiated, 1166 01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:28,100 in the end, it all ended back to Willowbrook. 1167 01:16:29,900 --> 01:16:32,200 The answers to these missing children 1168 01:16:32,700 --> 01:16:34,700 They found Geraldo on tape? 1169 01:16:35,500 --> 01:16:38,400 If so, would the sins of Willowbrook finally returned to haunt residents 1170 01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:42,400 Staten Island? 1171 01:16:44,900 --> 01:16:46,900 All the news, all the time. 1172 01:16:47,700 --> 01:16:49,700 This is a win 10/10. 1173 01:16:49,700 --> 01:16:52,700 You give us 22 minutes and we we'll give you the world. 1174 01:16:53,500 --> 01:16:57,700 The guilty verdict, 23 years after the challenge pearance of Holly Ann Hughes 7 years 1175 01:16:57,700 --> 01:17:00,000 outside of your home in Staten Island. 1176 01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:03,000 - Here are the heroes. Heroes, heroes, heroes. 1177 01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:06,000 - He's a killer. A murderer and kidnapper. 1178 01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:10,000 Tell us where she is. Tell us where the other children. 1179 01:17:10,700 --> 01:17:12,400 I searched for them. I the meet. 1180 01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:14,600 Is there anything else? Of course, yes, it is speculated. 1181 01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:18,500 But we certeficaremos that these cases, someday, come to trial 1182 01:17:18,500 --> 01:17:20,300 and thus all the other families, 1183 01:17:20,300 --> 01:17:23,400 have the same kind of fairness Schweiger and which had Hughes. 1184 01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:27,000 A weight too large left ... 1185 01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:29,100 Taken away from me right now. I feel much better. 1186 01:17:29,100 --> 01:17:31,100 Feel the certainty of closure ment with this verdict? 1187 01:17:32,300 --> 01:17:33,500 Well, you know what ... 1188 01:17:35,900 --> 01:17:37,900 Will not bring Holly Ann back, you know that, 1189 01:17:37,900 --> 01:17:41,400 But ... she's watching. 1190 01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:43,400 And that's enough. 1191 01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:45,000 The killer received a lot of nicknames, 1192 01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:46,500 Pied Piper (Piper) Hannibal Lecter, 1193 01:17:46,500 --> 01:17:48,500 The bogeyman Staten Island. 1194 01:17:48,500 --> 01:17:51,000 His victims were all vulnerable were children. 1195 01:17:51,100 --> 01:17:53,000 And tonight the Prosecutors are making sure 1196 01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:55,000 this predator remain behind bars. 1197 01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:58,100 23 years ago, the city entire froze 1198 01:17:58,100 --> 01:18:01,200 with the image of an innocent girl 7 years old, 1199 01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:03,400 who disappeared in the blink of an eye. 1200 01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:07,400 Unfortunately, Holly Ann Hughes He never returned home. 1201 01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:19,100 What was accomplished today assures us that Andre Rand will die in prison. 1202 01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:24,800 Andre Rand was sentenced to 25 years for kidnapping Holly Ann Hughes. 1203 01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:28,600 You can answer in parole in 2037. 1204 01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:31,600 He will be with 93-year-old. 1205 01:18:32,100 --> 01:18:32,800 The monster He deserves to die 1206 01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:35,600 No matter how horrible were the allegations, The monster He deserves to die 1207 01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:37,600 No matter how horrible were the allegations, 1208 01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:40,000 this case was a very difficult case 1209 01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:40,300 Rand sentence: "From prison to hell" this case was a very difficult case 1210 01:18:40,300 --> 01:18:47,000 which proved conclusively that this guy did it. Rand sentence: "From prison to hell" 1211 01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:47,400 Rand sentence: "From prison to hell" 1212 01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:48,700 This goes to show that, when a child is injured, Rand sentence: "From prison to hell" 1213 01:18:48,700 --> 01:18:51,500 This goes to show that, when a child is injured, 1214 01:18:51,500 --> 01:18:53,800 a child innocent disappears, 1215 01:18:54,700 --> 01:18:57,200 you know, people basically want to lynch you. 1216 01:18:57,800 --> 01:19:00,000 What if they had to opportunity to lynch someone, 1217 01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:01,800 they lynch Rand. 1218 01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:03,800 Did you think this day would come? 1219 01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:06,800 Do Not. 1220 01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:09,600 No, I never thought I would come this far. 1221 01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:12,300 I do not feel like It was all completed. 1222 01:19:12,300 --> 01:19:15,700 You know, it's ... I mean, you never ends something 1223 01:19:15,700 --> 01:19:18,200 and this word Also worth nothing. 1224 01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:21,000 Well, it happened. This is it. 1225 01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:24,300 You have to live with it. You have no option. 1226 01:19:24,300 --> 01:19:29,300 Just want to find what's left and put it to rest. 1227 01:19:33,100 --> 01:19:38,700 Part of the testimony in this case um ... he claimed that we were looking in the wrong place. 1228 01:19:38,700 --> 01:19:41,600 And you know what? I will sure to look for the right place. 1229 01:19:42,300 --> 01:19:43,800 - And where would it be? - This is Willowbrook. 1230 01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:50,600 Now it's time to use what we learned from this to reopen some more of the other cases. 1231 01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:53,100 I think he likes to play with this mental little game. 1232 01:19:53,100 --> 01:19:55,500 I think we will con- guindo small tips 1233 01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:58,000 over the next years. 1234 01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,500 He likes to be the center of attention ... 1235 01:20:02,500 --> 01:20:05,500 one that holds the ... keeper of secrets. 1236 01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:08,400 And I think it will play a really important role. 1237 01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:12,800 Donna, tell me your full name and again repeat the title of your organization. 1238 01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:15,500 Sure, it's Donna Cutugno. C-T-U ... 1239 01:20:26,100 --> 01:20:28,700 Andre Rand was convicted in fact or fiction? 1240 01:20:29,500 --> 01:20:31,000 Probably we will never know. 1241 01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:33,400 But for the residents of Staten Island, 1242 01:20:33,400 --> 01:20:35,400 there is no distinction. 1243 01:20:35,900 --> 01:20:38,700 He was the killer your children, your scapegoat, 1244 01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:43,000 and his bogeyman, all strongly merged into one. 1245 01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:49,000 For some, Andre Rand was the head 1246 01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:51,900 an underground community of subdued that roamed the forest. 1247 01:20:53,700 --> 01:20:55,900 For others, it It was an unwitting puppet, 1248 01:20:55,900 --> 01:20:59,100 manipulated by a cult depraved, that trafficked children, 1249 01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:04,100 or a raving killer fueled by our own urban failures ... 1250 01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:08,000 killing those he thought are not worthy of being alive. 1251 01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:12,400 We will never know the true story behind Andre Rand. 1252 01:21:13,300 --> 01:21:15,400 All we left It is our own version ... 1253 01:21:15,900 --> 01:21:18,300 the Cropsey * 1254 01:21:18,500 --> 01:21:20,500 But now, added another chapter 1255 01:21:20,900 --> 01:21:23,700 for the next generation d and children of Staten Island. 1256 01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:29,100 The power of urban legends is not the need to be true, 1257 01:21:29,700 --> 01:21:33,500 but to tell us the truth It has a range of possibilities. 1258 01:21:34,300 --> 01:21:36,500 and it is the public who should decide ... 1259 01:21:37,300 --> 01:21:39,000 So, choose one. 1260 01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:47,000 (Cropsey: someone bizarre, that looks like a pedophile). 1261 01:21:56,000 --> 01:22:03,000 [If anyone has any information on the whereabouts of these missing children, or any hint of her disappearance, please contact: 1262 01:22:06,100 --> 01:22:15,000 Synchronized and translated by Fabricio Light ~ ~ 113259

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