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Well, they're still
looking for murder suspect
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Theodore Bundy,
who celebrated New Year's Eve
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by escaping from
a Colorado jail.
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Bundy's escape
bordered on a Houdini escapade.
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The 5'11", 145-pound
former law student
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ripped out a light fixture
and steel grating in the ceiling
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and then manoeuvred
himself up through
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a 12-inch by 12-inch
hole in the ceiling.
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Ground units,
helicopters, and dogs
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have been searching for Bundy.
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Roadblocks have been set up
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around the town of
Glenwood Springs,
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and an all-points bulletin
has been issued.
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If Bundy
is ever recaptured,
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the Colorado prosecution
will continue
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and he could be prosecuted
for one of the Utah murders
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before this thing
is all over with.
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But for the moment,
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Theodore Bundy is merely
an escaped convicted kidnapper
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and now one of the FBI's
most wanted men.
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My dreams at
this time were extremely vivid.
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A lot of times
they centred around my daughter.
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Things like she was
either really injured
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or she was really sick
and I needed help,
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and the police told me
that they wouldn't help me
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because I wouldn't
help them before,
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and I was like,
"But here's my...
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"My little girl needs help,"
and they said, "Sorry."
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And it was just...
it was just awful.
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I'd have to like
lay in bed and think,
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"Did this happen,
or was this a dream?"
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Like, I dreamt one night
that I had helped Ted
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bury the first victim,
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and I said that if he promised
to never do it again,
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I would forgive him.
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It's just like
I woke up thinking,
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"My god, what's
my subconscious doing?"
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Here in Houston,
35 new astronauts
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have now officially joined
the space program.
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Ahead for some of America's
first six women in space
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will be diverse missions,
such as...
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Is there
any particular experiment
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in the program designed
to take advantage
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of the fact that
you are a woman?
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I don't really know
exactly what experiments
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are planned for any of
the shuttle missions,
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but as far as the accommodations
and the training,
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we're all astronauts,
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and we're not distinguished
whether we're male or female.
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Astronaut Resnik
got here early,
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and is flown back seat
of the T-38 jet trainer.
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So almost 20 years after
the first astronauts
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were chosen, NASA finally has
women and black astronauts.
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There'll be flying aboard
the space shuttle
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in two years.
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This is Jules Bergman,
ABC News...
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...the rather
amazing story of Mr. Bundy.
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But law enforcement officials
here were confident
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that Bundy would be found
again sooner or later.
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This is Sandy Gilmour,
Newswatch 2,
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in Glenwood Springs,
Colorado.
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He rambled
around a little bit.
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He went to Chicago
and then he went to Michigan.
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He watched the Rose Bowl
game in a bar in Ann Arbor,
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when he cheered for UW
and got roaring drunk, he said.
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You know,
I was a teenager
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when he was arrested,
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and I didn't really see
the escaping as him
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being full-on guilty,
'cause, you know,
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I mean, I was a kid;
I was just being stupid
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and naive, you know,
I was thinking...
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like the...
the Fugitive story.
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Richard Kimball ran away
to find the real killer,
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you know, probably
what I was thinking.
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And at the same time,
I was...
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A part of me was
blocking it out going,
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"Dude, whatever it is,
pssht...
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"You can't do
nothing about it.
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"Don't let it
ruin your life."
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You know, it was part of me
trying to protect myself
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from all the pain,
but I just said,
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"Man, just go outside
and ride your skateboard."
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"Fuck him,"
you know?
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"If he's guilty, then...
scumbag gets what he gets."
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You know?
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I knew a few of
the girls beforehand.
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Um, I didn't know
all of them, of course,
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and I knew girls
at other houses as well,
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but there was just something
that drew me to Chi Omega.
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In sororities, you tend
to become a family.
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You form a sisterhood
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and you become friends
with these girls.
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I think more so
than other sororities,
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we were a little bit different.
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The girls had their own
desires and wishes,
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and they weren't
all the same.
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So we were definitely
not a cookie-cutter
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kind of organization.
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Lisa was so honoured
to be a student
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at Florida State University,
and just so happy to be there.
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She taught me
how to do a line dance.
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She had the hardest time
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teaching me how to
do this line dance.
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Now, I had had years of
ballroom dance training.
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I had, at that point, I think
18 years of ballet training,
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but I could not get
this line dance down,
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and she was
so patient with me.
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But through the course of her
teaching and instructing me,
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we would just
crack up laughing.
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We had gone to bed.
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I don't recall what
it was that stirred me.
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I just,
for whatever reason,
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went immediately to Lisa's room
and opened the door and went in.
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There she was.
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You know, she was
covered in blood.
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She was absolutely
covered in blood.
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And she was moaning.
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And I, you know,
reached out to her,
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and she was touching her mouth,
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and to this day,
I, you know,
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I have that memory of her.
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Four young women
were beaten with a club
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and two of them were strangled
to death last night
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by a man who found
his victims
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sleeping in this sorority house
on the Tallahassee Campus
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of Florida State University.
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A man was seen leaving
the house with a club,
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and another co-ed was beaten...
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Um, I still have
the image in my mind,
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and I still, you know,
care for her deeply,
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and I just wish I
could've done something.
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The killer
came in from the night
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and then returned to it
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with an ease that has
so far baffled police
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and left most co-eds
here terrified.
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He clubbed and then
strangled to death
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20-year-old Lisa Levy
and 21-year-old Margaret Bowman.
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At least one of
them was raped.
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Then he brutally beat
three more sleeping co-eds,
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Karen Chandler
and Kathy Kleiner.
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Cheryl Anne Thomas
was severely beaten
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in her apartment
six blocks away.
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I think
there was this thought
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that as long as you
didn't do harm to another
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or put yourself
in a bad situation
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that you could not be harmed.
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And in fact, these
were totally innocent women
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that were, you know,
unjustly attacked,
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and two lives were taken.
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I always
took my newspaper
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on my morning break,
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and when I was
reading the paper,
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I saw this photograph
of a young woman
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peering out from
behind a curtain
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at the Chi Omega
Sorority House in Florida,
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and I had this
really bad feeling
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that it might be
the work of Ted.
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The front door
of the Chi Omega House
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was not only locked today,
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a policeman stood guard
on the other side.
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We knew we had somebody
who was in a rage,
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somebody who wanted to murder,
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somebody who was
capable of brutality
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like I had never seen before,
and I had seen a lot.
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Blood-stained
bedsheets
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and numerous bags of other
evidence were prepared...
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As I was leaving the
Chi Omega House after daybreak,
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I got a phone call,
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and it was investigators
from out west
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telling me that,
you know,
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had you thought about the
possibility it was Ted Bundy?
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I said, "Well, you know,
this isn't his kind of crime."
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This was a mass murder
all in one location in a house,
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and there is nothing
in Ted Bundy's history
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to indicate that he would
operate in that manner.
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So I wrote his name down
because they gave it to me,
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but I did not
and could not fathom
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that he made his way
to Tallahassee
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and then changed
his M.O. completely
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and did something like this.
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He was looking
for a college campus.
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That's where
he felt comfortable.
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That's where
he wanted to operate.
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It's a migratory store,
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almost like an animal
migrating somewhere
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in search of a place to settle,
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in search of a place to--
in search of prey.
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I mean, it's very...
it's very primal.
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And then he stole
a Florida State University van,
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changed plates on it, again
trying to cover his tracks,
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and trolled over a hundred
miles over to Lake City,
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this small little town.
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That little
12-year-old Kimberly Leach.
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I mean...
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this girl in middle school
walking along,
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and he takes her, and...
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found her in a hog shed
or whatever that was.
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12 years old.
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A child.
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She looked
like a 12-year-old.
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She didn't look--
you know, she wasn't--
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she didn't look older
than her years.
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She was a child.
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She was taken in front
of her own school.
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As a mother,
you're trying
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to give your daughters
the best life ever.
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But, you know,
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what I really brought
into her life was...
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rapes and murders
and lies and craziness.
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It took me
a long time to take it in,
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what that means to me.
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I mean, it was...
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It was hurtful
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in the same that every single
murder that he committed,
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every attack
that he carried out,
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was hurtful to me.
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This girl could be
my twin, you know?
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We were the same.
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And I really grappled with,
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"Does this have anything
to do with me?"
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And...
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That's devastating.
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The recklessness
of it seems to suggest
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that he was careening
towards an end of some kind.
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February 15th, 1978,
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somewhere around 1:30 am
in the morning,
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while on patrol with
the Pensacola Police Department,
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I noticed a Volkswagen Bug
coming out of the alleyway
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behind Oscar Woerner's
restaurant.
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No headlights.
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I came up behind him
and activate my blue lights
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same time I'm running the tag,
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and the tag come back
as a stolen vehicle.
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I didn't have a backup
anywhere close by.
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There was only three of us
working the entire city
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of Pensacola that night.
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I got him out of the car and
had him laying on the pavement.
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He kept saying,
"Officer, what's wrong?
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"Officer, what's wrong?"
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Well,
initially when I was putting--
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placing the handcuffs on him,
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he kicked my feet
out from under me
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and struck me with a handcuff
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that had been placed
on one wrist,
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and of course knocked me
off my feet,
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and that's when it started.
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I was chasing him,
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hollering "Halt,"
and so forth.
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Well, he turned,
and all I seen was a nickel,
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and thought it was a gun,
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so I levelled down
and fired.
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So I said, "My god,
I've killed him."
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And when
I went to see if he was shot,
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I bend down,
he grabbed my wrist,
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and we had a struggle
for control of my revolver.
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And it's a heavy pistol,
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and when I broke it away,
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it swung and slapped him
on the cheek.
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And if you see pictures right
after the suspect was arrested,
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there's a big bruise
on the side of his cheek,
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and that was from
my pistol barrel.
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There's no doubt in my mind
that he'd have killed me
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if he had taken my gun
away from me.
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He didn't give us much
information initially.
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The driver's licence
that he had
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was in the name of
Kenneth Misner.
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Norman Chapman was
the detective on call,
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and me and Norman
started interview him.
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I kept
keying on his eyes.
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His eyes were alarming to me.
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They were deep,
steel-blue eyes,
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and at first I couldn't
figure out what it was
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I was keying on,
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but it was his eyes.
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And it was
also the feeling.
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Once I got around him,
I had this feeling
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I'd never felt before.
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It was a feeling of, um...
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I guess the best way
to describe it
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was a frustration and doom.
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And from then on,
when I got this feeling,
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I knew I'd been around somebody
who'd murdered somebody,
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not somebody who killed
somebody in self-defence,
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somebody who had
murdered somebody.
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By this time, everybody
in the investigation is saying,
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"Chapman, who do you have?"
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And I said,
"Well, I don't know."
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"Well, how come
you don't know?"
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Well, see, we didn't have
computers or anything
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back in the 70s.
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We had to take him to the
first appearance for the judge.
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No, sir.
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I thought, sure,
him going before the judge
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it did tell who he was.
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He said, I ain't tell you.
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So the judge refused
to set a bond on him
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because he didn't know
who he was.
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So I bring him back
to the police station.
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His attorneys went in,
talked a few minutes,
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and then when
they called me in,
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they said he wants to wait
until he contacts some people
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before he releases
his identification.
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There's some people he wants to
let them know he's in custody.
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I says, "Okay."
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I says, "I will give him
two hours to call anybody
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"he wants to before I put
him back in his cell."
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I said,
"He gotta call collect,
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"because Pensacola
Police Department
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"pays for no more
phone calls."
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Are you aware that
this interview is being taped?
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Yes.
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Is it taped
with your approval?
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Yes.
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Okay.
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Would you describe
the telephone call
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00:15:38,772 --> 00:15:41,072
that you received
from Ted Bundy?
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He called collect.
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My daughter accepted
the charges.
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00:15:45,487 --> 00:15:47,067
I told him that he
shouldn't be calling me,
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that my phone
had a trap on it,
321
00:15:48,281 --> 00:15:50,121
and he said that
he was in custody,
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00:15:50,158 --> 00:15:52,198
and I asked him where
and he said Florida.
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00:15:52,243 --> 00:15:54,253
He said-- he repeated
over and over again
324
00:15:54,287 --> 00:15:56,457
that this was really
gonna be bad when it broke,
325
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that it was not gonna break
until tomorrow morning.
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It'd be in the press, but
it was gonna be really ugly.
327
00:16:02,420 --> 00:16:03,630
And I said,
328
00:16:03,672 --> 00:16:06,012
"I was really afraid that
you might be in that area
329
00:16:06,049 --> 00:16:07,799
"and that you
might have done it."
330
00:16:07,842 --> 00:16:09,722
And he said,
331
00:16:09,761 --> 00:16:11,891
"You know, I can't really
talk to you about things."
332
00:16:11,930 --> 00:16:15,520
He said, "I wish I could
sit down and tell you things
333
00:16:15,558 --> 00:16:17,978
"without anybody listening."
334
00:16:18,019 --> 00:16:20,519
And I said, "Are you trying
to tell me that you're sick?"
335
00:16:20,563 --> 00:16:22,233
And he said,
"Back off."
336
00:16:22,273 --> 00:16:24,363
He got really angry.
He said, "Back off."
337
00:16:24,401 --> 00:16:25,821
He says,
"That's not it at all."
338
00:16:25,860 --> 00:16:28,610
And I wasn't--
I was really confused.
339
00:16:28,655 --> 00:16:32,575
Took me a long time to, like,
calm down after that.
340
00:16:32,617 --> 00:16:34,367
Theodore Bundy
came back to Tallahassee
341
00:16:34,411 --> 00:16:37,041
early Sunday morning
in a Pensacola police cruiser
342
00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,670
escorted by Leon County
sheriff's deputies.
343
00:16:39,708 --> 00:16:41,748
It was in Tallahassee
that Bundy allegedly stole
344
00:16:41,793 --> 00:16:44,343
21 credit cards,
three sets of identification,
345
00:16:44,379 --> 00:16:45,799
and a Volkswagen.
346
00:16:45,839 --> 00:16:47,299
Authorities also
say they can...
347
00:16:47,340 --> 00:16:51,260
Saturday morning at 2
he called again, collect,
348
00:16:51,302 --> 00:16:53,302
and he said that
he wanted to talk about
349
00:16:53,346 --> 00:16:56,556
what we'd been talking about
on the first phone call.
350
00:16:56,599 --> 00:16:58,689
And I said, "You mean
about being sick?"
351
00:16:58,727 --> 00:16:59,977
And he said, "Yes."
352
00:17:00,019 --> 00:17:01,349
Sherriff Ken Katsaris
said investigators
353
00:17:01,396 --> 00:17:04,816
will continue pursuing all leads
in the Chi Omega murders
354
00:17:04,858 --> 00:17:07,818
despite having Bundy
as a prime suspect.
355
00:17:07,861 --> 00:17:11,741
He told me
that he...
356
00:17:11,781 --> 00:17:14,781
he knew now there was something
that he couldn't be around.
357
00:17:14,826 --> 00:17:17,536
And when I asked him what,
he said, "Don't make me say it."
358
00:17:17,579 --> 00:17:23,419
So I knew that he was meaning
young, beautiful women.
359
00:17:23,460 --> 00:17:26,090
He just was
addicted to killing.
360
00:17:28,506 --> 00:17:31,296
And he started
to tell me about this force,
361
00:17:31,342 --> 00:17:34,012
is what he called it,
362
00:17:34,053 --> 00:17:36,563
and he said it would just
start building within him,
363
00:17:36,598 --> 00:17:39,978
and he would...
364
00:17:40,018 --> 00:17:41,728
It would take him,
you know, days
365
00:17:41,770 --> 00:17:44,150
before he really acted out.
366
00:17:44,189 --> 00:17:45,689
But once he acted out,
367
00:17:45,732 --> 00:17:50,822
it was just over.
368
00:17:50,862 --> 00:17:52,242
And he mentioned the day
369
00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:56,490
that the two women were abducted
from Lake Sammamish.
370
00:17:58,745 --> 00:18:00,115
And he said,
"I remembered when you and I
371
00:18:00,163 --> 00:18:05,753
"went to eat hamburgers
after that, and ice cream."
372
00:18:05,794 --> 00:18:08,514
And he said, "I remembered
what had happened."
373
00:18:08,546 --> 00:18:11,046
He said, "It wasn't like
I'd had a blackout."
374
00:18:11,090 --> 00:18:13,800
And he said, "But it was
just like it was over."
375
00:18:13,843 --> 00:18:16,553
And I was just shocked,
376
00:18:16,596 --> 00:18:18,886
because I thought if
he did do these things
377
00:18:18,932 --> 00:18:21,772
that he had to have
two personalities
378
00:18:21,810 --> 00:18:22,980
or something like that,
379
00:18:23,019 --> 00:18:26,939
but he was telling me
that this is just him.
380
00:18:29,484 --> 00:18:31,994
Why do you
think he did that?
381
00:18:33,530 --> 00:18:36,490
I think
he was... beat.
382
00:18:36,533 --> 00:18:40,123
I think he...
he knew that he...
383
00:18:40,161 --> 00:18:42,791
he couldn't live
in freedom anymore
384
00:18:42,831 --> 00:18:46,421
because he was too murderous.
385
00:18:46,459 --> 00:18:48,629
He said to me,
"Didn't you always know?"
386
00:18:48,670 --> 00:18:50,550
And it's just like...
387
00:18:50,588 --> 00:18:52,758
"Well, yes and no."
388
00:18:52,799 --> 00:18:55,089
And it's like...
389
00:18:55,134 --> 00:18:56,394
I dunno.
It's very...
390
00:18:56,427 --> 00:19:00,637
It's a very confusing
emotional conversation.
391
00:19:00,682 --> 00:19:02,432
Um...
392
00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:05,480
I asked him
393
00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:09,190
if I somehow played
a part in what had happened,
394
00:19:09,232 --> 00:19:11,032
and he said no,
395
00:19:11,067 --> 00:19:12,817
that for years
before he even met me,
396
00:19:12,861 --> 00:19:15,611
he'd been fighting
the same sickness,
397
00:19:15,655 --> 00:19:19,445
and that when it broke,
we just happened to be together.
398
00:19:22,912 --> 00:19:24,662
I feel like
for so long...
399
00:19:24,706 --> 00:19:26,576
this mental confusion
that I had about,
400
00:19:26,624 --> 00:19:28,424
is he guilty,
is he capable,
401
00:19:28,459 --> 00:19:31,499
is he really
a nice, wonderful guy
402
00:19:31,546 --> 00:19:33,456
that I should love,
or...?
403
00:19:33,506 --> 00:19:35,336
And that mental confusion
404
00:19:35,383 --> 00:19:39,183
I think was all just
part of me not being able
405
00:19:39,220 --> 00:19:41,720
to face the facts.
406
00:19:41,764 --> 00:19:43,024
And once I got off
the phone,
407
00:19:43,057 --> 00:19:45,387
I just felt like...
408
00:19:45,435 --> 00:19:47,145
I was glad
to know the truth,
409
00:19:47,186 --> 00:19:51,266
but I also felt like
the truth was just so ugly
410
00:19:51,316 --> 00:19:55,526
that I just felt like...
411
00:19:55,570 --> 00:19:57,820
I felt really upset,
412
00:19:57,864 --> 00:20:00,164
and very desolate
that this was true,
413
00:20:00,199 --> 00:20:03,239
that this man I knew
did these things.
414
00:20:03,286 --> 00:20:04,906
Not only did I know him,
I loved him.
415
00:20:04,954 --> 00:20:07,964
So it was very difficult.
416
00:20:09,876 --> 00:20:11,206
Wanted
for questioning
417
00:20:11,252 --> 00:20:14,712
in at least 36 cases of rape,
murders, and missing women
418
00:20:14,756 --> 00:20:18,256
in several western states
since 1973.
419
00:20:18,301 --> 00:20:21,931
The FBI said Bundy escaped
from a jail near Aspen, Colorado
420
00:20:21,971 --> 00:20:23,431
last December.
421
00:20:23,473 --> 00:20:26,983
He was awaiting trial there
on a sex slaying charge.
422
00:20:27,018 --> 00:20:29,518
In January, according
to Florida police,
423
00:20:29,562 --> 00:20:31,482
Bundy was living
in Tallahassee
424
00:20:31,522 --> 00:20:34,732
at the time when five
Florida State University co-eds
425
00:20:34,776 --> 00:20:37,486
were attacked
on or near the campus.
426
00:20:37,528 --> 00:20:41,908
Two of the young women died
as a result of the attack...
427
00:20:41,950 --> 00:20:43,530
He alluded to Tallahassee.
428
00:20:43,576 --> 00:20:46,036
I asked him specifically
about the Florida murders,
429
00:20:46,079 --> 00:20:49,079
and he told me that he didn't
want to talk about them.
430
00:20:49,123 --> 00:20:51,423
But then in the same
conversation he said
431
00:20:51,459 --> 00:20:55,339
that he felt like he had
a disease like alcoholism,
432
00:20:55,380 --> 00:20:58,130
like the alcoholic that
couldn't take another drink.
433
00:21:00,218 --> 00:21:02,508
I really thought
he was gonna confess.
434
00:21:02,553 --> 00:21:06,473
That's what he was
talking about.
435
00:21:06,516 --> 00:21:08,476
So I was really disappointed
in the following days
436
00:21:08,518 --> 00:21:11,438
when he didn't.
437
00:21:11,479 --> 00:21:12,979
When he called me
in my office
438
00:21:13,022 --> 00:21:17,192
after a few weeks
of not confessing,
439
00:21:17,235 --> 00:21:22,155
I could have easily fallen into
a chatty conversation with him
440
00:21:22,198 --> 00:21:23,738
because that was
our pattern,
441
00:21:23,783 --> 00:21:25,583
but I... I already knew
442
00:21:25,618 --> 00:21:28,828
that I was coming out
from under the spell,
443
00:21:28,871 --> 00:21:31,331
but at that point
the spell was broken,
444
00:21:31,374 --> 00:21:33,584
and I just hung up on him.
445
00:21:37,588 --> 00:21:39,878
I was in the early stages
of my journalism career,
446
00:21:39,924 --> 00:21:41,224
and I met an attorney
447
00:21:41,259 --> 00:21:43,929
who was at that point
representing Ted Bundy.
448
00:21:43,970 --> 00:21:45,600
He called me and asked
if I would be interested
449
00:21:45,638 --> 00:21:47,348
in covering
the Ted Bundy case,
450
00:21:47,390 --> 00:21:49,390
and in particular be interested
in speaking with Bundy
451
00:21:49,434 --> 00:21:50,814
face-to-face.
452
00:21:50,852 --> 00:21:52,812
So I said, "Okay."
453
00:21:54,772 --> 00:21:56,232
I walked in
with this attorney,
454
00:21:56,274 --> 00:21:58,444
and he was sitting
with a stack of papers,
455
00:21:58,484 --> 00:22:00,074
and he was writing,
456
00:22:00,111 --> 00:22:01,821
and the first thing I noticed
was that there was
457
00:22:01,863 --> 00:22:04,203
classical music
playing on the radio,
458
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:05,490
and I asked him about that.
459
00:22:05,533 --> 00:22:08,123
And he said, "Yeah,
that's the local college
460
00:22:08,161 --> 00:22:10,581
"public radio station."
461
00:22:13,374 --> 00:22:15,544
He was
very soft-spoken,
462
00:22:15,585 --> 00:22:17,335
very charming,
463
00:22:17,378 --> 00:22:20,378
made direct eye contact
the whole time.
464
00:22:20,423 --> 00:22:22,593
I began to ask him about
different parts of his life,
465
00:22:22,633 --> 00:22:23,933
his childhood.
466
00:22:23,968 --> 00:22:25,718
I was probing the same things
that people would probe
467
00:22:25,762 --> 00:22:27,392
for years thereafter.
468
00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:28,930
What kind of a childhood
did he have?
469
00:22:28,973 --> 00:22:31,063
What was the relationship
with his mother?
470
00:22:31,100 --> 00:22:33,560
And the more we talked,
471
00:22:33,603 --> 00:22:36,153
the more normal
he seemed to be.
472
00:22:41,861 --> 00:22:43,911
On my way out,
I was really shaken.
473
00:22:43,946 --> 00:22:46,566
Here was somebody
who I knew in my heart
474
00:22:46,616 --> 00:22:49,786
had killed many women,
I just knew it.
475
00:22:49,827 --> 00:22:52,247
And yet I felt that the
person I was speaking with
476
00:22:52,288 --> 00:22:55,118
in that jail cell
was not the person
477
00:22:55,166 --> 00:22:56,916
who did all these
horrible things.
478
00:22:56,959 --> 00:22:58,379
The fact that someone
479
00:22:58,419 --> 00:23:01,669
whose background
was so similar to mine
480
00:23:01,714 --> 00:23:05,384
could host a being
481
00:23:05,426 --> 00:23:08,506
capable of doing
those horrible things,
482
00:23:08,554 --> 00:23:10,774
I just couldn't separate
myself from him.
483
00:23:14,811 --> 00:23:16,651
If he was
capable of it,
484
00:23:16,687 --> 00:23:19,567
then I had to confront
the notion that maybe
485
00:23:19,607 --> 00:23:22,937
I could have been capable
of something like that.
486
00:23:29,826 --> 00:23:31,736
A man who was
a suspect in several cases
487
00:23:31,786 --> 00:23:33,286
of murder in four states
488
00:23:33,329 --> 00:23:36,669
has been formally charged
in Florida with three.
489
00:23:38,668 --> 00:23:39,628
Okay...
490
00:23:39,669 --> 00:23:40,629
Ladies and gentlemen
of the press,
491
00:23:40,670 --> 00:23:42,380
I'm meeting with you tonight
492
00:23:42,421 --> 00:23:46,801
to inform you that
Theodore Robert Bundy
493
00:23:46,843 --> 00:23:50,223
has been indicted by
the Grand Jury of Leon County
494
00:23:50,263 --> 00:23:51,763
this afternoon and...
495
00:23:51,806 --> 00:23:55,426
I was the director
of the investigation
496
00:23:55,476 --> 00:23:57,146
that involved Ted Bundy.
497
00:23:57,186 --> 00:24:00,356
I had the authority
to take over,
498
00:24:00,398 --> 00:24:03,648
and to discharge my duties
by directing, and I did.
499
00:24:05,153 --> 00:24:09,283
I did not want to lose
total control over him.
500
00:24:09,323 --> 00:24:10,993
Every time he did anything,
501
00:24:11,033 --> 00:24:15,453
it was approved by me.
502
00:24:15,496 --> 00:24:19,536
So, one person took,
and I admit it,
503
00:24:19,584 --> 00:24:21,594
absolute control.
504
00:24:21,627 --> 00:24:22,837
...back here.
505
00:24:22,879 --> 00:24:24,379
I don't want any
motioning to me.
506
00:24:24,422 --> 00:24:27,592
I went to Judge Cowart
and to Harry Morrison,
507
00:24:27,633 --> 00:24:29,053
who was the state attorney,
508
00:24:29,093 --> 00:24:30,973
and said,
"Here's my dilemma.
509
00:24:31,012 --> 00:24:32,352
"We have the indictment.
510
00:24:32,388 --> 00:24:34,348
"I want to get it
out of the way,
511
00:24:34,390 --> 00:24:36,480
"but the media
wants to be there."
512
00:24:36,517 --> 00:24:37,807
Judge Cowart said,
513
00:24:37,852 --> 00:24:40,522
"Sheriff, read that
indictment tonight."
514
00:24:40,563 --> 00:24:41,903
I have copies for you.
515
00:24:41,939 --> 00:24:42,939
You do.
516
00:24:42,982 --> 00:24:44,072
I have copies
of the indictment
517
00:24:44,108 --> 00:24:45,898
to give each of you,
so you're not...
518
00:24:45,943 --> 00:24:47,073
Harry Morrison,
the state attorney said,
519
00:24:47,111 --> 00:24:48,361
"I agree.
It's your jail;
520
00:24:48,404 --> 00:24:50,454
"it's your inmate.
Handle it."
521
00:24:50,489 --> 00:24:52,329
I said, "Okay."
522
00:24:52,366 --> 00:24:55,486
I had no idea how
he was going to react.
523
00:25:00,374 --> 00:25:02,924
Gentlemen, I'm not
to be paraded.
524
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:04,340
Step out, Mr. Bundy.
525
00:25:09,508 --> 00:25:10,508
What do
we have here, Ken?
526
00:25:10,551 --> 00:25:11,551
Let's see.
527
00:25:11,594 --> 00:25:13,144
It's an indictment.
All right.
528
00:25:13,179 --> 00:25:14,639
Why don't you
read it to me?
529
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,720
You're up for
election aren't you?
530
00:25:16,766 --> 00:25:17,766
Mr. Bundy...
531
00:25:17,808 --> 00:25:18,808
You got it,
didn't you?
532
00:25:18,851 --> 00:25:20,061
Mr. Bundy...
533
00:25:20,102 --> 00:25:21,352
You told them
that you were gonna get me.
534
00:25:21,395 --> 00:25:22,975
He said he was
gonna get me, okay?
535
00:25:23,022 --> 00:25:25,522
You've got the indictment.
It's all you're gonna get.
536
00:25:25,566 --> 00:25:27,856
Let's read it.
Let's go.
537
00:25:27,902 --> 00:25:30,452
Theodore Robert Bundy,
you are charged...
538
00:25:30,488 --> 00:25:33,278
Ken Katsaris realized
what a bounty he had,
539
00:25:33,324 --> 00:25:36,294
and I just thought he was,
you know, a guy on the way up,
540
00:25:36,327 --> 00:25:38,157
a showman,
541
00:25:38,204 --> 00:25:40,924
and I think he saw this
as an opportunity
542
00:25:40,957 --> 00:25:44,957
to get local state
but also national media
543
00:25:45,002 --> 00:25:48,552
by putting someone
on display in his care,
544
00:25:48,589 --> 00:25:50,379
which was not ethical at all.
545
00:25:50,424 --> 00:25:52,434
He was willing
to risk a show
546
00:25:52,468 --> 00:25:54,348
to sort of trot him out.
547
00:25:54,387 --> 00:25:57,177
Unprecedented, no legal
reason for the show
548
00:25:57,223 --> 00:26:00,393
other than just seeking
publicity for himself,
549
00:26:00,434 --> 00:26:01,604
as Katsaris.
550
00:26:01,644 --> 00:26:03,944
Now, in Bundy he had
a willing victim.
551
00:26:03,980 --> 00:26:08,570
I mean, Bundy realized
the media could help him,
552
00:26:08,609 --> 00:26:10,359
because it had in the past,
553
00:26:10,403 --> 00:26:13,533
to humanize him.
554
00:26:13,572 --> 00:26:17,912
And so any opportunity he got
to use the press,
555
00:26:17,952 --> 00:26:19,122
he would use.
556
00:26:19,161 --> 00:26:20,541
...the death
of said Lisa Levy.
557
00:26:20,579 --> 00:26:22,079
My chance to
talk to the press.
558
00:26:22,123 --> 00:26:24,923
Contrary to section
78204 Florida Statute.
559
00:26:24,959 --> 00:26:26,539
I'll plead
not guilty right now.
560
00:26:26,585 --> 00:26:29,005
And your grand jurors
being present...
561
00:26:29,046 --> 00:26:31,086
Obviously I got
a lot of criticism
562
00:26:31,132 --> 00:26:35,392
because the media got to see
the indictment reading.
563
00:26:35,428 --> 00:26:38,258
But they got a chance
to see Ted Bundy
564
00:26:38,306 --> 00:26:42,436
with those eyes piercing,
and him saying,
565
00:26:42,476 --> 00:26:45,806
"I am gonna plead
not guilty right now."
566
00:26:45,855 --> 00:26:48,105
I've been kept
in isolation for six months.
567
00:26:48,149 --> 00:26:49,939
I've been kept
away from the press.
568
00:26:49,984 --> 00:26:51,284
I've been buried by you.
569
00:26:51,319 --> 00:26:52,819
You've been talking
for six months.
570
00:26:52,862 --> 00:26:56,242
I think it's my turn now.
All right?
571
00:26:56,282 --> 00:26:57,662
We got a
court order that you--
572
00:26:57,700 --> 00:26:58,870
there wont be
any press interviews.
573
00:26:58,909 --> 00:27:00,289
Sure there won't be
any press interviews.
574
00:27:00,328 --> 00:27:02,458
You've given them out.
I'm gagged, you're not.
575
00:27:02,496 --> 00:27:03,496
Okay.
576
00:27:03,539 --> 00:27:04,539
will
read you your rights.
577
00:27:04,582 --> 00:27:05,672
I'll be heard.
578
00:27:05,708 --> 00:27:07,748
He was a guy
powerless at this point,
579
00:27:07,793 --> 00:27:11,513
in a jumpsuit,
being subjected to a show
580
00:27:11,547 --> 00:27:14,337
by someone who had complete
control over his life.
581
00:27:14,383 --> 00:27:17,303
It changed the balance,
because before that,
582
00:27:17,345 --> 00:27:19,715
the feelings against Ted
were running very high.
583
00:27:19,764 --> 00:27:21,354
I mean, the feelings
in Tallahassee
584
00:27:21,390 --> 00:27:23,850
were very, very raw
in these killings
585
00:27:23,893 --> 00:27:25,643
and the injuring
of these women,
586
00:27:25,686 --> 00:27:29,566
and it may have slowed down
the sort of community-wide anger
587
00:27:29,607 --> 00:27:33,397
and fear that had been
generated by Ted.
588
00:27:33,444 --> 00:27:36,034
I have to say
that when I look at that tape,
589
00:27:36,072 --> 00:27:40,122
it really looks like
a media event.
590
00:27:40,159 --> 00:27:41,909
See what I'm saying?
591
00:27:41,952 --> 00:27:43,912
That's why I never responded.
592
00:27:43,954 --> 00:27:45,504
Everybody has
their own opinion.
593
00:27:45,539 --> 00:27:46,919
But what's
your response to that?
594
00:27:46,957 --> 00:27:47,997
What do you say to that?
595
00:27:48,042 --> 00:27:51,302
I don't care
what you think.
596
00:27:51,337 --> 00:27:52,417
While the trial
was getting underway
597
00:27:52,463 --> 00:27:53,633
here at the courthouse,
598
00:27:53,672 --> 00:27:55,262
the 8th floor of the
bank building next door
599
00:27:55,299 --> 00:27:57,009
was buzzing with activity.
600
00:27:57,051 --> 00:28:01,141
Theodore Robert Bundy
is national news.
601
00:28:01,180 --> 00:28:02,850
The Bundy trial,
in effect,
602
00:28:02,890 --> 00:28:07,350
was the OJ trial of 1979.
603
00:28:07,395 --> 00:28:09,265
Three key things
happened in court today
604
00:28:09,313 --> 00:28:11,613
as the murder trial of
Ted Bundy continues
605
00:28:11,649 --> 00:28:14,739
in these three days of
free trial hearings.
606
00:28:14,777 --> 00:28:16,817
The major surprise came
late in the afternoon
607
00:28:16,862 --> 00:28:19,952
when Bundy, wearing
a Seattle Mariners T-shirt,
608
00:28:19,990 --> 00:28:21,450
took the stand...
609
00:28:21,492 --> 00:28:23,622
We knew
we had a big story.
610
00:28:23,661 --> 00:28:25,661
We knew that it was a first
611
00:28:25,704 --> 00:28:28,374
in terms of a big,
national, international trial
612
00:28:28,416 --> 00:28:29,826
on television.
613
00:28:29,875 --> 00:28:32,585
Tonight, Ted Bundy
and cameras in the courtroom.
614
00:28:32,628 --> 00:28:34,378
We're in the
newsroom on the ninth floor
615
00:28:34,422 --> 00:28:37,762
of the Metro Justice building,
five floors above the courtroom.
616
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:39,510
Keep your pieces short
617
00:28:39,552 --> 00:28:42,812
so that we can
all get on the air.
618
00:28:42,847 --> 00:28:44,347
Smile, Ted.
619
00:28:44,390 --> 00:28:45,560
I mean, the
networks were there.
620
00:28:45,599 --> 00:28:46,559
We had a feed room.
621
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,060
We built a newsroom
in a courthouse.
622
00:28:49,103 --> 00:28:50,733
If the verdict
is guilty of murder
623
00:28:50,771 --> 00:28:51,941
in the first degree,
624
00:28:51,981 --> 00:28:53,571
Bundy could be
sentenced to die.
625
00:28:53,607 --> 00:28:57,527
You had young women
who had been brutally murdered
626
00:28:57,570 --> 00:29:00,820
by a really good-looking guy
that didn't fit the pattern.
627
00:29:00,865 --> 00:29:02,365
I mean, it had
all the elements.
628
00:29:02,408 --> 00:29:05,238
It was made for TV,
and TV was there.
629
00:29:05,286 --> 00:29:08,956
Three, two, one.
630
00:29:08,998 --> 00:29:10,288
Here he comes.
631
00:29:10,332 --> 00:29:12,632
Is anybody using
a walkie-talkie on this floor?
632
00:29:12,668 --> 00:29:14,708
You're breaking up the feed!
633
00:29:14,753 --> 00:29:16,843
Get ready, Larry,
it's coming up.
634
00:29:19,133 --> 00:29:20,973
Murder trials are drama
more than anything else.
635
00:29:21,010 --> 00:29:22,300
They're ritualized dramas:
636
00:29:22,344 --> 00:29:23,934
a beginning, a middle,
and an end.
637
00:29:23,971 --> 00:29:26,811
There's usually a resolution,
unlike many things in life.
638
00:29:26,849 --> 00:29:28,479
I prefer to be in
the courtroom every day
639
00:29:28,517 --> 00:29:30,477
because that's just
the way I do what I do.
640
00:29:30,519 --> 00:29:33,649
Sometimes you just feel
something in the courtroom,
641
00:29:33,689 --> 00:29:35,479
a look on somebody's face,
you know,
642
00:29:35,524 --> 00:29:38,074
an intake of breath
in the jury box.
643
00:29:38,110 --> 00:29:39,200
During what
might be the most
644
00:29:39,236 --> 00:29:41,156
brutally descriptive
day of testimony,
645
00:29:41,197 --> 00:29:43,237
Ted Bundy looked more
like a defence attorney
646
00:29:43,282 --> 00:29:46,082
than a defendant
on trial for his life.
647
00:29:46,118 --> 00:29:48,118
When Ted insisted
on defending himself,
648
00:29:48,162 --> 00:29:50,832
he wanted to show that
he was a competent lawyer
649
00:29:50,873 --> 00:29:52,373
in the making.
650
00:29:52,416 --> 00:29:56,416
But then I think the limelight
infected him in some way,
651
00:29:56,462 --> 00:29:59,172
and I think he was really
then playing to this
652
00:29:59,215 --> 00:30:01,125
much larger audience
than that 12 people
653
00:30:01,175 --> 00:30:02,545
in the jury box.
654
00:30:02,593 --> 00:30:04,143
You gonna talk to me,
or are you gonna talk to them?
655
00:30:04,178 --> 00:30:05,598
I'm gonna show
this to Mr. Miller.
656
00:30:05,638 --> 00:30:08,848
He was focused
on managing his image,
657
00:30:08,891 --> 00:30:11,691
but when he stood up
to question a witness,
658
00:30:11,727 --> 00:30:13,807
it wasn't because
there was a point to it,
659
00:30:13,854 --> 00:30:16,484
it was he was standing up
to question a witness,
660
00:30:16,524 --> 00:30:18,444
and they caught that on camera.
661
00:30:18,484 --> 00:30:20,444
Do you recall her
telling you that she...
662
00:30:20,486 --> 00:30:22,736
she remembers the
assailant being young?
663
00:30:22,780 --> 00:30:24,320
Objection.
664
00:30:24,365 --> 00:30:26,445
And he looked like
a lawyer and he asked questions,
665
00:30:26,492 --> 00:30:28,872
his mouth moved,
and so, you know,
666
00:30:28,911 --> 00:30:30,201
therefore the public would say,
667
00:30:30,246 --> 00:30:33,366
"Wow, that's amazing.
This guy's like a lawyer."
668
00:30:33,415 --> 00:30:37,035
And the fact that the press,
you know, responded to him
669
00:30:37,086 --> 00:30:39,046
just encouraged him.
670
00:30:40,130 --> 00:30:43,430
I thought
he enjoyed it too much.
671
00:30:43,467 --> 00:30:46,887
I would see him on TV carrying
boxes of legal documents,
672
00:30:46,929 --> 00:30:49,639
and playing
the role of attorney
673
00:30:49,682 --> 00:30:53,442
like this is his big chance
to act like an attorney.
674
00:30:53,477 --> 00:30:56,147
It was just bizarre.
675
00:30:56,188 --> 00:30:57,818
Nita, do you see
the man that you saw
676
00:30:57,856 --> 00:31:01,436
at the door of the Chi Omega
house on January 15, 1978,
677
00:31:02,820 --> 00:31:04,950
Yes, I believe I do.
678
00:31:04,989 --> 00:31:07,279
I was at my grandparents'
house in the summer,
679
00:31:07,324 --> 00:31:09,874
and it was my habit
to watch TV in the mornings
680
00:31:09,910 --> 00:31:11,580
down there, and...
681
00:31:11,620 --> 00:31:17,590
This is the first time
that I've seen him in life.
682
00:31:17,626 --> 00:31:19,416
I would sit
and watch this every day,
683
00:31:19,461 --> 00:31:22,381
and nobody really understood
what I was watching.
684
00:31:22,423 --> 00:31:25,383
...and I think I
recognize it now better
685
00:31:25,426 --> 00:31:28,006
than I ever have before.
686
00:31:28,053 --> 00:31:29,313
That was
the moment for me
687
00:31:29,346 --> 00:31:31,676
where I just...
my whole world shifted
688
00:31:31,724 --> 00:31:35,984
and I saw him as something
entirely different.
689
00:31:36,020 --> 00:31:38,520
It's one thing to know that
someone's probably guilty,
690
00:31:38,564 --> 00:31:41,074
but it's another thing
to really understand
691
00:31:41,108 --> 00:31:43,188
guilty of what.
692
00:31:43,235 --> 00:31:46,155
My jaw was broken
in three places.
693
00:31:46,196 --> 00:31:49,736
I had lacerations
on my shoulder
694
00:31:49,783 --> 00:31:52,413
and like whiplash
on my neck.
695
00:31:52,453 --> 00:31:55,753
And I had
cuts on my head.
696
00:31:55,789 --> 00:31:57,789
I had a broken jaw.
697
00:31:57,833 --> 00:32:00,093
Some of my teeth
were knocked out.
698
00:32:00,127 --> 00:32:03,797
It was...
699
00:32:03,839 --> 00:32:07,719
really...
700
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:12,140
so shattering to see
701
00:32:12,181 --> 00:32:14,141
these murdered women,
702
00:32:14,183 --> 00:32:17,773
to see the evidence that
depicted their smashed heads,
703
00:32:17,811 --> 00:32:21,861
and...
704
00:32:21,899 --> 00:32:25,529
hear about
the physical things
705
00:32:25,569 --> 00:32:27,319
that were inflicted upon them,
706
00:32:27,363 --> 00:32:30,823
and see the evidence of such.
707
00:32:30,866 --> 00:32:34,826
It was horrendous.
708
00:32:34,870 --> 00:32:39,210
And I knew.
709
00:32:43,087 --> 00:32:46,507
It's just like,
where do you get disbelief
710
00:32:46,548 --> 00:32:49,928
at that point?
711
00:32:49,968 --> 00:32:52,888
I couldn't find it,
and I loved him very much.
712
00:32:56,058 --> 00:32:57,688
Still?
713
00:32:57,726 --> 00:33:01,646
At that time, yes,
I loved him very much.
714
00:33:07,236 --> 00:33:10,566
There were some
journalists who felt
715
00:33:10,614 --> 00:33:12,454
that Bundy was innocent,
716
00:33:12,491 --> 00:33:14,331
that he couldn't
have done this.
717
00:33:16,745 --> 00:33:19,075
He was relaxed
and confident in court,
718
00:33:19,123 --> 00:33:21,043
and took the time to chat
a few minutes with me
719
00:33:21,083 --> 00:33:23,463
about Seattle,
about his family,
720
00:33:23,502 --> 00:33:25,302
and to welcome me
to Miami,
721
00:33:25,337 --> 00:33:27,627
smiling when the guard
very obviously wanted
722
00:33:27,673 --> 00:33:29,803
our conversation to end.
723
00:33:29,842 --> 00:33:33,262
He got coverage
that fell for his act.
724
00:33:33,303 --> 00:33:35,263
That was a failure
on the part of the press,
725
00:33:35,305 --> 00:33:38,095
a failure to look deeper
and think harder
726
00:33:38,142 --> 00:33:41,852
about what it was
they were dealing with.
727
00:33:46,275 --> 00:33:47,895
Theodore
Robert Bundy at age 25,
728
00:33:47,943 --> 00:33:50,403
a Republican campaign
worker in Seattle.
729
00:33:50,446 --> 00:33:52,986
At 28, a University of Utah
law student.
730
00:33:53,031 --> 00:33:54,911
At 30, a Colorado
jail escapee
731
00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:57,490
and one of the FBI's
10 Most Wanted men.
732
00:33:57,536 --> 00:33:58,946
That must've been
a terrifying moment
733
00:33:58,996 --> 00:34:00,956
for this young man who has
maintained his innocence
734
00:34:00,998 --> 00:34:04,838
in every crime he has
been accused of.
735
00:34:04,877 --> 00:34:08,667
It's a discounting
of the stories of the women
736
00:34:08,714 --> 00:34:13,224
in favour of
the central hero,
737
00:34:13,260 --> 00:34:14,680
for lack of a better word,
738
00:34:14,720 --> 00:34:17,930
being the most important
character in the narrative.
739
00:34:17,973 --> 00:34:19,933
Each day the courtroom
is filled with spectators
740
00:34:19,975 --> 00:34:22,805
drawn by a fascination
with Theodore Bundy himself,
741
00:34:22,853 --> 00:34:25,403
or by the gruesome details
of the crimes.
742
00:34:25,439 --> 00:34:28,069
You try to imagine
yourself in his place
743
00:34:28,108 --> 00:34:29,528
and to see how he's feeling,
744
00:34:29,568 --> 00:34:31,858
looking at the pillows with
bloodstains and everything,
745
00:34:31,904 --> 00:34:34,324
if he really did it or not.
746
00:34:34,364 --> 00:34:35,954
It scares me be
in the same room with him,
747
00:34:35,991 --> 00:34:39,911
but I know there's other
people in there, so...
748
00:34:39,953 --> 00:34:41,213
Why do you do it?
749
00:34:41,246 --> 00:34:42,916
I don't know.
750
00:34:42,956 --> 00:34:44,746
But one woman
who has been at the trial
751
00:34:44,792 --> 00:34:45,962
for the past four days,
752
00:34:46,001 --> 00:34:47,381
and who frequently
confers with Bundy,
753
00:34:47,419 --> 00:34:49,459
has another impression
entirely.
754
00:34:49,505 --> 00:34:52,215
Carole Boone believes Bundy
is completely innocent.
755
00:34:52,257 --> 00:34:54,337
Some have called her
his girlfriend.
756
00:34:54,384 --> 00:34:58,764
She prefers to be known as
just a close personal friend.
757
00:34:58,806 --> 00:35:00,216
In the beginning
people were saying,
758
00:35:00,265 --> 00:35:03,095
"Have you heard about
this woman, Carole Boone?"
759
00:35:03,143 --> 00:35:06,233
She was in the courtroom
I think pretty much every day.
760
00:35:06,271 --> 00:35:09,401
She was not expressive,
761
00:35:09,441 --> 00:35:11,321
except for this
weird smile she had
762
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,070
when she would
talk about stuff.
763
00:35:14,112 --> 00:35:16,162
She was just
a little strange,
764
00:35:16,198 --> 00:35:18,028
and no matter
what happened,
765
00:35:18,075 --> 00:35:19,825
no matter what the day's
testimony was,
766
00:35:19,868 --> 00:35:21,698
she would have an explanation
for why it was wrong
767
00:35:21,745 --> 00:35:23,865
or not incriminating.
768
00:35:23,914 --> 00:35:25,674
Carole Boone says
she first met Ted Bundy
769
00:35:25,707 --> 00:35:27,707
five years ago when they
worked in the same office
770
00:35:27,751 --> 00:35:29,381
in Seattle, Washington.
771
00:35:29,419 --> 00:35:30,919
Since that time,
she has followed him,
772
00:35:30,963 --> 00:35:33,673
helping him prepare
his legal cases, from Utah,
773
00:35:33,715 --> 00:35:36,085
where he was convicted of
kidnapping a young woman,
774
00:35:36,134 --> 00:35:39,224
to Colorado, where he is
suspected of murdering another,
775
00:35:39,263 --> 00:35:40,813
and finally now to Florida.
776
00:35:40,848 --> 00:35:43,848
Let me put it this way.
I... I don't think that...
777
00:35:43,892 --> 00:35:45,522
that Ted belongs in jail.
778
00:35:45,561 --> 00:35:48,111
The things in Florida
don't concern me.
779
00:35:48,146 --> 00:35:50,356
Carole would come up
and just talk to
780
00:35:50,399 --> 00:35:52,989
individual reporters,
and my memory is
781
00:35:53,026 --> 00:35:57,236
that she would be
spinning for Ted.
782
00:35:57,281 --> 00:36:00,371
She was definitely
talking on his behalf,
783
00:36:00,409 --> 00:36:02,789
and she seemed
absolutely sincere.
784
00:36:02,828 --> 00:36:04,538
Boone says
she has twice been allowed
785
00:36:04,580 --> 00:36:05,750
to visit Bundy in jail
786
00:36:05,789 --> 00:36:08,209
since he was brought
to Miami six days ago.
787
00:36:08,250 --> 00:36:13,420
She describes him as nervous
but cautiously hopeful.
788
00:36:13,463 --> 00:36:14,923
Well, what
did you make of him
789
00:36:14,965 --> 00:36:17,045
taking up with
Carole Boone?
790
00:36:19,386 --> 00:36:22,256
I'm just
glad it wasn't me.
791
00:36:22,306 --> 00:36:24,766
I'll call
Carole Boone.
792
00:36:24,808 --> 00:36:26,688
I just felt
like she's gonna be
793
00:36:26,727 --> 00:36:28,807
just as roped in
as I was,
794
00:36:28,854 --> 00:36:31,694
she's gonna be used
just like I was.
795
00:36:31,732 --> 00:36:34,282
This isn't gonna
end well for her.
796
00:36:34,318 --> 00:36:37,648
And are you familiar
with the defendant, myself?
797
00:36:37,696 --> 00:36:38,736
Yes.
798
00:36:38,780 --> 00:36:39,740
And how long
have you known me?
799
00:36:39,781 --> 00:36:42,031
Since
May of 1974.
800
00:36:42,075 --> 00:36:45,445
He had spent
a lifetime observing women
801
00:36:45,495 --> 00:36:48,995
and deciding which was
going to become a victim,
802
00:36:49,041 --> 00:36:51,171
and I think he could tell
803
00:36:51,209 --> 00:36:54,709
when women had
the codependence issue
804
00:36:54,755 --> 00:36:59,465
where they wanted to help him
in any way they could.
805
00:36:59,509 --> 00:37:01,719
I don't think they
had reason to charge Ted Bundy
806
00:37:01,762 --> 00:37:05,352
with... with murder
in either Leon County or...
807
00:37:05,390 --> 00:37:06,890
or Columbia County.
808
00:37:06,934 --> 00:37:09,104
You know,
all the facts of the case,
809
00:37:09,144 --> 00:37:11,654
I don't understand how she
made it through all of that
810
00:37:11,688 --> 00:37:13,858
and still believed in him.
811
00:37:13,899 --> 00:37:15,069
What is that picture of?
812
00:37:15,108 --> 00:37:19,398
That's
a photograph of you,
813
00:37:19,446 --> 00:37:22,816
taken several years ago,
before you were in custody.
814
00:37:22,866 --> 00:37:25,656
But I do believe
she believed in him.
815
00:37:25,702 --> 00:37:26,912
I mean, I can't judge her.
816
00:37:26,954 --> 00:37:31,674
I can't judge any single person,
you know, in this story.
817
00:37:31,708 --> 00:37:34,288
I mean, we all just
did the best we could.
818
00:37:34,336 --> 00:37:38,506
But I don't-- I'm not sure
why her story went like that.
819
00:37:40,133 --> 00:37:41,343
... that
these two right here,
820
00:37:41,385 --> 00:37:45,715
which are State's exhibits
number six and seven...
821
00:37:45,764 --> 00:37:47,064
On one of the days
that they presented
822
00:37:47,099 --> 00:37:48,979
the autopsy photographs,
823
00:37:49,017 --> 00:37:51,187
what I was seeing was
the graphic evidence
824
00:37:51,228 --> 00:37:53,228
of the damage
he did to these women.
825
00:37:53,271 --> 00:37:57,651
You know, they're horrific
pictures, horrible stuff.
826
00:37:57,693 --> 00:37:58,743
As I looked at these women,
827
00:37:58,777 --> 00:38:01,447
these women looked like
women who I knew.
828
00:38:01,488 --> 00:38:03,318
I was the same age as Bundy.
829
00:38:03,365 --> 00:38:05,865
I was still on the fringes
of a college campus,
830
00:38:05,909 --> 00:38:08,409
and these were
faces of people
831
00:38:08,453 --> 00:38:10,663
that I could see
on my own campus
832
00:38:10,706 --> 00:38:12,916
in my own college town.
833
00:38:12,958 --> 00:38:15,628
On that day,
I left the trial coverage
834
00:38:15,669 --> 00:38:17,879
and was having dinner
with another journalist
835
00:38:17,921 --> 00:38:19,511
and I just in
the middle of dinner,
836
00:38:19,548 --> 00:38:23,468
I just started to weep
because it was so horrific.
837
00:38:23,510 --> 00:38:26,220
How could you maintain
that intensity
838
00:38:26,263 --> 00:38:29,523
of hatred for women
839
00:38:29,558 --> 00:38:32,848
and be able to do this
time after time after time?
840
00:38:49,995 --> 00:38:51,615
The verdict is in.
841
00:38:51,663 --> 00:38:53,213
Guilty on seven counts,
842
00:38:53,248 --> 00:38:54,998
including assault
and burglary,
843
00:38:55,042 --> 00:38:57,002
attempted murder,
and murder.
844
00:38:57,044 --> 00:38:59,304
At this point, the judge
has recessed the jury
845
00:38:59,337 --> 00:39:00,707
until Saturday morning.
846
00:39:00,756 --> 00:39:03,086
At that time, the 12
members will decide
847
00:39:03,133 --> 00:39:05,723
whether to recommend
the death penalty.
848
00:39:05,761 --> 00:39:07,221
This court,
independent of,
849
00:39:07,262 --> 00:39:10,142
but in agreement with,
the advisor's sentence
850
00:39:10,182 --> 00:39:11,602
rendered by the jury
851
00:39:11,641 --> 00:39:14,191
does hereby impose
the death penalty
852
00:39:14,227 --> 00:39:16,607
upon the defendant,
Theodore Robert Bundy.
853
00:39:16,646 --> 00:39:20,026
All of us who covered
that trial can remember
854
00:39:20,067 --> 00:39:23,987
categorically what
he said to Bundy
855
00:39:24,029 --> 00:39:27,659
when he-- after he
sentenced him to die.
856
00:39:27,699 --> 00:39:29,369
Take care of
yourself, young man.
857
00:39:29,409 --> 00:39:30,369
Thank you.
858
00:39:30,410 --> 00:39:32,080
I say that
to you sincerely.
859
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,000
Take care of yourself.
860
00:39:34,039 --> 00:39:36,669
It's a tragedy for
this court to see
861
00:39:36,708 --> 00:39:39,878
such a total waste,
I think, of humanity
862
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:41,630
that I have experienced
in this court.
863
00:39:41,671 --> 00:39:44,381
You're a bright young man.
864
00:39:44,424 --> 00:39:45,634
You'd have made
a good lawyer.
865
00:39:45,675 --> 00:39:47,585
I'd have loved to have you
practice in front of me,
866
00:39:47,636 --> 00:39:50,386
but you went another way,
partner.
867
00:39:50,430 --> 00:39:51,720
Take care of yourself.
868
00:39:51,765 --> 00:39:53,345
I don't have any
animosity to you.
869
00:39:53,391 --> 00:39:55,731
I want you to know it.
Take care of yourself.
870
00:39:55,769 --> 00:39:59,149
- Thank you.
- Court will be in recess.
871
00:39:59,189 --> 00:40:01,779
That he would say
that to him with no concern
872
00:40:01,817 --> 00:40:05,737
really for what these
women actually experienced...
873
00:40:05,779 --> 00:40:07,489
It's almost paying
homage to him,
874
00:40:07,531 --> 00:40:09,951
and that is a
scary, scary thing.
875
00:40:09,991 --> 00:40:11,121
Following
this court case,
876
00:40:11,159 --> 00:40:13,409
he will stand trial
in Lake City, Florida
877
00:40:13,453 --> 00:40:14,873
for another death,
878
00:40:14,913 --> 00:40:18,583
that of 12-year-old
Kimberly Anne Leach.
879
00:40:25,549 --> 00:40:27,679
Wearing a blue
bowtie and a big grin,
880
00:40:27,717 --> 00:40:30,637
Theodore Bundy faced
the jury for the last time.
881
00:40:30,679 --> 00:40:33,179
They reconvened to hear
testimony from both sides
882
00:40:33,223 --> 00:40:35,853
before deciding whether
to recommend life in prison
883
00:40:35,892 --> 00:40:37,642
or the death penalty.
884
00:40:37,686 --> 00:40:40,806
The defence called only
one witness, Carole Boone.
885
00:40:40,856 --> 00:40:42,186
Acting as his own lawyer,
886
00:40:42,232 --> 00:40:44,822
Bundy questioned her
about his character.
887
00:40:44,860 --> 00:40:47,820
She said he's a kind,
warm, patient man,
888
00:40:47,863 --> 00:40:50,123
a very positive part
of her life.
889
00:40:50,157 --> 00:40:52,907
Then the convicted man
popped the question.
890
00:40:52,951 --> 00:40:55,501
- Will you marry me?
- Yes, I will.
891
00:40:55,537 --> 00:40:58,077
Then I do hereby
marry you, okay.
892
00:40:58,123 --> 00:41:01,253
When they got
married, I just thought...
893
00:41:01,293 --> 00:41:02,673
I felt slightly disgusted
894
00:41:02,711 --> 00:41:06,551
just because
it was such a Ted...
895
00:41:06,590 --> 00:41:10,720
showboating type thing to do.
896
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:14,510
He married her
on the stand,
897
00:41:14,556 --> 00:41:17,846
at the trial of this girl
898
00:41:17,893 --> 00:41:21,563
who he...
899
00:41:21,605 --> 00:41:25,065
raped and mutilated
and murdered,
900
00:41:25,108 --> 00:41:27,688
and...
901
00:41:27,736 --> 00:41:31,276
every year that
I have gained since then,
902
00:41:31,323 --> 00:41:36,373
I think about her and the years
that she did not gain.
903
00:41:39,372 --> 00:41:40,922
The prosecution
called the marriage proposal
904
00:41:40,957 --> 00:41:43,247
a charade, and asked
the jury to consider
905
00:41:43,293 --> 00:41:45,303
the timing of
the announcement.
906
00:41:45,337 --> 00:41:47,837
The jury deliberated
about 45 minutes.
907
00:41:47,881 --> 00:41:51,181
They came back with
a decision of death.
908
00:41:51,218 --> 00:41:52,968
A majority of the
jury advise and recommend
909
00:41:53,011 --> 00:41:55,181
to the court that it
impose the death penalty
910
00:41:55,222 --> 00:41:57,392
upon the defendant,
Theodore Robert Bundy,
911
00:41:57,432 --> 00:41:59,602
dated this 9th day
of February, 1980,
912
00:41:59,643 --> 00:42:01,983
in Orlando,
Orange County, Florida.
913
00:42:02,020 --> 00:42:04,230
It is further ordered
that you, Theodore Robert Bundy,
914
00:42:04,272 --> 00:42:05,862
be taken by
the proper authority
915
00:42:05,899 --> 00:42:08,279
to the Florida State Prison,
and there be kept
916
00:42:08,318 --> 00:42:12,358
and closely confined till the
date of your execution is set.
917
00:42:22,165 --> 00:42:23,535
I mean,
so many women died,
918
00:42:23,583 --> 00:42:25,923
and I just felt like,
"Why am I still alive?"
919
00:42:25,961 --> 00:42:27,841
And I was miserable.
920
00:42:27,879 --> 00:42:30,379
I think about the fear
that they must've felt
921
00:42:30,423 --> 00:42:33,183
once this charming man
turned into the monster
922
00:42:33,218 --> 00:42:35,848
that he was.
923
00:42:35,887 --> 00:42:38,597
I just felt decimated.
924
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,730
That I was a complete failure
as a human being
925
00:42:41,768 --> 00:42:45,268
and as a mother,
926
00:42:45,313 --> 00:42:48,733
and...
927
00:42:48,775 --> 00:42:52,025
that I really
didn't deserve
928
00:42:52,070 --> 00:42:55,120
to be alive.
929
00:42:57,659 --> 00:43:00,249
And I should be dead too.
70701
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