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There was
a composite picture

in the paper
of the suspect.

I looked at it
over and over and over again.

I was really gripped by fear.

I couldn't let it go.

So I took the picture

and went down to my friend
and showed her,

and we both were
kind of stunned

by how much
it looked like Ted.

So she and I called
the police anonymously

from a telephone booth
and asked them,

"Did he have a watch
on his right arm?"

Because Ted wore his watch
on his right wrist.

And they said, "Well,
nobody's reported that."

So we asked them, "Is the
Volkswagen really bronze?"

Because his car
was very dull brown,

and they said yes,
it was bronze,

so it was like, "
that's not my Ted, then."

After I
took my friend home,

I went over to Ted's house.

And we laid on his floor
and talked,

and he was just Ted.

I felt crazy, like,
"Why would I even think this?"

'Cause I'd had four years
with this man.

I knew that he wasn't capable
of doing these things.

And yet...

It turns out
that he was.

It was some
grouse hunters.

They were hunting
grouse in the area,

and they found one of
the skulls there.

With the proximity
to the Sammamish Park,

I felt that it was definitely
going to be something big.

I had been a lifeguard
at that state park

for three years,

and had lived very close
to where the crime scene was,

and so I knew that area
extremely well.

Both Ott and Naslund,

the two women that were
taken from Lake Sammamish,

were found there.

We had them
on their hands and knees,

shoulder to shoulder,

going through weeds
in the grass.

With Janice Ott,
we found her lower jawbone,

so we knew that was her.

And with Denise Naslund,
we found her skull

and her jawbone,
so we knew that was her.

We found four
different femur bones.

So who were the other two?
We didn't know.

We suspected that it
might be Georgann Hawkins.

But we had not other
identifiable parts.

Ted
had moved to Utah.

He was going to law school
at the University of Utah.

We were trying to have
a long distance relationship.

Even though I was
still suspicious of him,

I liked being around him because
he was just his regular self

and my fears
would dissipate.

I really wanted him
to ask me to go with him,

and it was really unclear
about whether we were going to

move together or not.

And so things were just...

they felt out of step.

NewsWatch 2
at 6.

I was
a reporter at KUTV,

the NBC station
at that time.

I was the first female
television reporter there.

Standby, here we go.

I spent
my life in Utah

pushing into
a male-dominated world.

Let's see.

I didn't focus
on the fact that I was

the only female out there.

What am I saying?

I loved my job
more than life itself,

and I just put my head down
and did my job.

Heavy snow
landed on travellers

in the Midwest.

Got a couple of
months with real heavy snowfall.

We had a number
of ball games today.

This is Sandi Gilmour,
NewsWatch 2.

Barbara Grossman,
NewsWatch 2,

at the Salt Lake
Hall of Justice.

For a female
to come out and have

as visible of
a job that I had

and obviously wasn't Mormon,

with the last name
of Grossman,

it was challenging.

Our reporter
Barbara Grossman has covered...

When Senator
Hubert Humphrey came to town

there was a
press conference,

and I kept trying
to ask my questions,

and the male reporters there

wouldn't let me
interject my questions.

And after a while
Senator Humphrey

stopped the press conference
and said,

"Gentlemen, I'm going
to teach you a lesson,

"and that is women
have the same rights as men.

"So you all need to sit down
and let this young lady

"ask her questions."

I mean, I always knew
in my heart I was equal,

but boy, that
gave me ammunition.

Thank you
very much Barbara.

An update
on Utah's drought picture.

And we'll
have the reasons

why Utah's Humane Society
director resigned.

That's coming up.

You know, there
aren't a lot of big stories,

especially back then, that
happened in Salt Lake City.

And then it was like,
"" you know?

"Here we are and girls
are disappearing."

It seemed to be like
every Friday night.

There was a pattern,
and people were frightened.

These girls being
taken off the streets.

A few weeks after
Ted left Seattle for Utah,

my friend went home
to visit her parents

and when I picked her up
at the airport,

the first thing she said
when she got in the car was,

"I don't want to scare you,
but it's happening

"down there in Utah."

She heard on the car radio

the Police Chief of Midvale's
daughter had been missing

and her body had been
found by deer hunters

and the abductions
had stopped here.

There were all
these coincidences.

It's like...
I couldn't let it go.

It scared me
out of my wits.

So the next day I called
King County in Seattle,

and the detective
who answered the phone

was really patient,

because I told him in one
of those big long stings of,

I know I'm wrong,
but I'm having these thoughts

type sentences,
and so he just listened.

And I said, "Well,
my boyfriend's name is Ted,

"and he drives a Volkswagen,"

and the detective
stopped me and he said,

"You don't mean
Theodore Robert Bundy, do you?"

He said they'd
already looked at him

and just didn't think he
looked like a good candidate.

And he said, "Well,
let's get together

"and talk some
more about this."

And so I agreed to do that.

And we went through
the albums that I have

of pictures of Ted,
and he took a few.

After I had met with him,
I felt like,

"Well, he's the pro.

"He's gonna check it out,

"and he'll give me
the definitive answer."

So I finally called him
back and asked him

if he'd had a chance to show
those pictures to the witness.

And it was like he just
couldn't remember who I was.

You know, I'd told him
all about our sex life,

and he just kind of...

It's like,
"Who is this again?"

It's like... and to me
it was like the main--

it was so significant.

To him it was
just like, "Who?"

And then he said,
"Yeah, yeah, yeah."

And he said they showed
the pictures to the witness.

She went through the pile,
said this man was too old.

We were still together
long distance,

and I just thought,
you know,

the police have
checked him out.

He's not their guy,

so stop trying to
convict your boyfriend

is what I was
telling myself.

She was
my secretary then,

and so that's when
I got to know Liz

a lot better than before.

Once in a while
I would get those signs

and little traces that
she needed the little bit

of sympathy and understanding.

And I would take her
into my office,

which was next door.

You say, "Are you all right?
Are you feeling okay?"

She went so quiet,

and you could tell that
she didn't want to talk

and I sure didn't want to pry.

And so...

sad to watch it.

I do have
pretty good recollection;

I was probably nine or ten,

visiting with him in Utah.

You know, he was
going to law school

and he had sent me
home early.

I was really upset with him,
'cause it was out of the blue.

He said in a way
that, you know,

"I got something
really important to do.

"I really-- yeah, things are
really tough right now."

And so I dropped it.

You know,
I figured, well...

it didn't matter what it was.

It just upset me that,
you know, "Shoot, man,

"I was having a good time
here with you," you know?

I remember
we were at the airport

waiting to get on the plane;

we were standing by ourselves
over by a window,

and I looked over at him,

and he had this
look on his face.

He was looking
one direction

and I was looking
at his profile

and the side of him,
you know, and...

I don't think
he saw me looking at him

'cause he... I can see
this look on his face, and...

he was horrified
and disgusted about something.

There was
never any a time

that he'd ever changed
plans on me like that,

so extremely.

I think that he felt
his urges coming on,

knew he was about
to go murder somebody,

and he had enough
responsible attitude

to get me out of the picture
so I wouldn't be...

Yeah, involved with it.

I grew up in Murray.

My grandmother
had a 25-acre farm.

We just spent
weekends down there,

and she had a big garden,

and it was just wonderful.

We did dangerous things.

We climbed up in silos
that were really tall

that we probably
could have fallen off,

and we went in caves,

dirt caves that
were in the back,

down the hill from
my grandmother's house.

And I never worried
about anyone ever harming us.

I didn't really
drive in high school.

I had a older sister
that drove us everywhere

so it was really nice
to have my own car.

It was a '74 Camaro.

It was maroon
with a black top.

The payments were something
like 63 or 67 dollars a month.

And I got the car,
and I loved it.

I thought it was beautiful.

I was always washing it
in their big long driveway,

and I just...
I just loved it.

I had gotten off work,

and decided I'd
head over to the mall.

It was dark,
and kind of a drizzly night.

I came up to a bookstore,

and that's when
a man approached me.

I think he introduced himself
as being a police officer,

and his name was
Officer Roseland.

And he said, "Is your
licence plate number..."

and he read off
my license plate number.

I said, "Yes, that's
my license plate number."

And he said, "We caught someone
trying to break into your car."

He asked me if I could
go out to the car with him

and see if anything
had been taken.

We got out to my car
and I opened the door

and I could see
nothing was missing.

At that point
I could kind of smell

alcohol on his breath.

I said, "Dp you have some kind
of ID or something I can see?"

I... just wasn't really
sure about him.

But he showed me
some identification.

I probably was
trying to be nice.

I was trying to
do the right thing,

and I was trying
to be a good person,

and he was
an authority figure.

He said they've taken him
down to the police station.

If you could come down
and fill out

this complaint against him,
we have him.

So I said I would.

We walked over to his car,

and it was
a beat-up Volkswagen.

Right when I was in the car,
I knew I had made a mistake.

Suddenly he just
pulled the car over

and it kind of went up
on the side of the curb

and that's when I started
absolutely freaking out.

I remember screaming at him,
"What are you doing?

"This isn't
the police station.

"What are you doing?"

And he wasn't
saying anything.

He wasn't answering me,

and I could tell
he just changed.

I remember him
pulling out a gun

and him saying to me,
"I'll blow your head off."

And I remember thinking,
"Go ahead.

"I'm... I'll die
right here."

I think back then
you were told

not to fight off
your attacker.

If you were being raped,

if you tried to fight him off
it'd make him mad.

Just to, you know,
let it happen.

And I was angry at him

for him thinking he could
do something like that to me.

And I remember thinking,

"My parents are never gonna
know what happened to me."

I might've never
been found.

I just-- that was
my feeling was to fight.

And I just had to get away
with all my strength.

I opened the passenger side

and just fell out onto the...
to the street

and he came out after me

out the passenger side.

I remember feeling
a crowbar in his hand--

he was trying to hit me
over the head with it--

and struggling for a while,

and then a car came along.

I ran out into the street

and just threw open
their door,

and just jumped in on him.

I really don't know
how I got away.

I was so small,

and I just think
I had this strength

that just came from somewhere
to get away from him.

Debi was attending
a play with her family

at Viewmont High School

on the night of
November 8th, 1974.

She left the play early
to pick up her brother

at an ice rink.

Debi never got to her car.

The hardest part,
as Mrs. Kent says,

is the heartache
of not knowing.

Bountiful
was a very safe spot.

I grew up in that area,

and it was a great place
to have a family.

I had never stopped to think

that something bad could happen
to anyone that I knew.

I was teaching
Dance, English.

I was involved with all of
the extracurricular activities.

We were doing a musical
production of The Redhead

and I was helping the kids
in the dressing rooms,

then I would run out and
take care of the ticket office.

And just right inside
of the front doors

to the auditorium,

I noticed a man
standing over against

what was the office
at that time,

out of place for Bountiful,
very well-dressed.

He came out into the middle
of the hall and he said,

"Has anybody ever told you
you have beautiful eyes?"

I remember he put
his hand up and he said,

"I need somebody to come out
and identify this car.

"Have you got just a second?"

His eye contact made me
very uncomfortable,

and I had never been
in the presence of anyone

that made me feel
that way before.

And I said,
"If you need some help

I will go get some boys or
some men to come and help you."

And he said, "No, no, no.
Don't need that."

And, um, left.

And when I got back
to the dressing room

our vice principal was
at the back of the stage,

and I said, "There's
a guy standing out here.

"Something's a little bit fishy.
Don't know what it is."

And he said, "I'll check it out
and see if he needs something."

I said, "I'd appreciate that."

And later when
I was sitting in the auditorium

and he came back in,
and when I saw this

little girl get up and exit,

well, all of a sudden
he stood up and walked out.

I never put
the two together.

The story
I remember the most

and the one that-- I hope
I can keep my composure--

is the mom, Belva Kent.

She turned the porch light
on that night,

and every night,

hoping to bring
her daughter back home.

Those are the things that...

That's just one family.

Think about all the other
families he ripped apart.

Nighttime at
the Kents' home in Bountiful,

this front porch light
burns for Debi.

Mrs. Kent vowed when
her daughter disappeared,

"I'll turn the light off
only when Debi comes home."

Michael Rawson,
NewsWatch 2, Bountiful.

Because
the situation with me

ended the way
it did that night...

a little girl was murdered.

And every day of my life
for at least the next 20 years,

I felt such guilt.

If I had just done it
a little bit differently,

Debi Kent would
still be here.

I don't think you
get over that.

On January 12th, 1975,

Caryn Campbell disappeared
from the Wildwood Inn.

Earlier that
Saturday evening,

Caryn Campbell sat
with her fiance,

Dr. Raymond Gadowski,
in front of a fire

in the lobby of
the Wildwood Inn.

About 8 o'clock in the evening
she caught the elevator

to the lobby
to the second floor.

That was the last time
Gadowski saw her alive.

I concluded
that someone

had approached her
with some ruse,

and she went with them
peacefully.

She vanished,
and, um...

we didn't find her
until February.

Caryn was laying there
totally nude.

She had been... she had
been brutally beaten,

raped, and left
on the Owl Creek Road.

We didn't have
anything except a dead body.

No evidence
and no leads.

The deputy district attorney
came out, he says,

"You may never find out
who did this."

The word is that
both you and Seattle police

are proceeding
on the assumption

that there are more
bodies out here,

that perhaps maybe even all
of the girls might be here.

We keep finding
more and more every day.

You get in that woods

and you just don't know
what's in there.

It's so thick and it's
so overgrown with bushes

that you could find
anything, you know,

a couple hours from now
or five minutes from now.

It doesn't matter.

Radio check.

I was not allowed
to go to Taylor Mountain.

I was told that
because I was a girl

I was not used to
the rough terrain.

And I was a backpacker

and a hiker
and a Girl Scout.

I wanted to make sure

that if it was
Susan Rancourt

that I saw her.

I have always...

carried the guilt that
I couldn't have done more.

When my sister
disappeared,

my parents worked very hard,

because there was a long time
where we did not know

what had happened to her,

and they hired detectives
and put rewards,

and my mother really
threw herself into

anything she could do to try
to figure out what happened.

You know,
it was...

it was hard for us
to even talk about her.

To bring her up
caused so much pain

for my mother that...

...it's almost like we had to
forget her completely.

You... you can't
remember the good times

because that causes pain.

So you forget.

So my family lost
not only my sister,

we lost memories,

because we couldn't share that
because it was too painful,

so there was a hole.

There was a hole bigger
than the loss of my sister;

it was the hole of the
happy times of my family.

Up on Taylor Mountain,
Lynda Ann Healy,

Susan Elaine Rancourt,
Roberta Kathleen Parks,

and Brenda Ball.

And then previously
in September

we identified Janice Ott
and Denise Naslund.

So there are six people
definitely identified.

I was just going
to the downtown library

doing research in
the newspaper reading room

and reading the
Salt Lake Tribune,

and I was stunned
to find out

that there... there
had been an abduction

where the woman got away,

and the perpetrator had been
driving a brown Volkswagen.

Well, that was
my worst fear come true.

So I
just fell apart.

I was borderline hysterical.

Called my bishop;

I'd gone back to church
at that time.

I was looking for something,

some kind of spiritual peace,

and he said, "Well you're gonna
have to talk to the police

"and just tell them that
you're continuing to be

"worried about your friend."

So I called Salt Lake
and I talked to a detective,

and he asked me, "Well,
why are you calling now?"

He said, "We've already
checked him out."

And he's just
grilling me about

"We've already looked at him.

"He's not a good candidate."

So I was just like mortified
when I got off the phone.

I had spent a sleepless night,

and my dad had some contacts
on police forces in Utah.

I felt like as a man
he would be taken more seriously

than I had been taken.

And...

he declined
to get involved.

He said, "If you're wrong,
you're gonna ruin Ted's career."

And I said, "Okay,"
and we hung up,

and we never
talked about it again.

And I think as a parent,

I've thought about this
and I thought,

"God, if it was my kid that
called with this crazy talk,

"I'd be calling her
the next day

"to ask her what the hell's
going on, to follow up."

But not my dad.

I think that my dad
completely discounted

what I was thinking.

I mean, he so liked Ted,
as we all did.

I feel, in hindsight,
that he chose Ted,

and not his daughter.

It was just traumatic.

The key that happens
is when Ted Bundy

is driving through
a Salt Lake subdivision

and a cop who works in that area
didn't recognize the car,

and thought,
"Well, that's peculiar,"

and he was pulled over.

And he sees handcuffs,
a ski mask,

pantyhose with an eye
and nose hole cut out,

an ice pick,
rope,

and garbage bags.

I ran into Ted's
former landlady in Seattle,

and she told me the
funniest thing happened.

She said a woman detective
came around

and was asking
questions about Ted.

And by this time
I thought Ted had been cleared,

so the bottom just
fell out of my stomach.

The next day
I called the police and I said,

"Well, could I speak
to the woman detective?"

And she said,
"Can you come down here?"

And so I left work
immediately

and went down
to the police station.

When I
first met Liz

she was concerned, afraid,

an anxious woman
who needed to know the truth.

Because I was working
sex crimes,

I could see that it was
a very difficult situation.

She was talking to the police
about her boyfriend,

about somebody
she thought she loved,

someone that she thought she
was gonna spend her life with.

She was
more empathetic

about how torn I felt.

She seemed to understand
why I was still so conflicted

and couldn't really
stick with one viewpoint

for very long.

Well, it takes
a great amount of courage

for anybody to turn in someone
whom they're involved with,

because what if
they're wrong?

She knew that her
relationship with Ted

would change forever
if she reported him.

She started
the interview by saying,

"Did you know that Ted was
arrested in Salt Lake City?"

And I said, "No."

And she said,

"Do you want to see a picture
of what was in his car?"

Everything was laid out
on a flat surface,

and there was a rope
and handcuffs and ski masks

and pantyhose with
eyeholes cut in them.

I mean, it was so far out
of the realm of anything

that had ever happened to me.

Like, my boyfriend
could be killing people?

I did see that
she was struggling with

trying to conceptualize
what was happening.

Was her boyfriend a killer,

or was he just in a series
of circumstances

that were coincidences?

She just had to take it in
and really understand

that her boyfriend was
not the man she knew.

I don't remember
who I talked to,

maybe it was
a law official,

said that they
had a suspect;

they had caught this person with
all these things in his car--

an ice pick,
a crowbar.

I didn't know if I could
really identify him

from a picture,

but I knew if I could just see
him in person I would know him.

He walked right out
with all the other guys

that were in the lineup--
I knew it was him.

I could tell from his
mannerisms and his walk,

and then when he turned
around and faced me

I knew it was him
immediately.

That the first
personal identification.

We had some guy
out there named Ted

who was doing
all these things,

but nobody identified him,

but she could identify
him in this line.

My secretary came in

and said that there
was a phone call

from Salt Lake City
Police Department.

They almost immediately said,
did I know Ted Bundy?

Did I know Ted Bundy?

And I don't even know
that I answered the question.

I think it just
so clearly dawned on me

that Ted Bundy was the Ted
that we'd been looking for.

And it was as though
an explosion went off.

Um... I just knew it.

You just knew it.

How could you miss it?

How could you not
be aware of it?

Here's Ted Bundy.

And it had to be
the same Ted Bundy.

How would you feel
if you had hired him,

you had done a
psychological profile,

you'd worked with
the police all this time,

and it turns out
to be this person?

How would you feel?

You would feel
like a fool.

To be so involved
in that case

and then have it be
somebody that you knew.

And what makes me
so angry at him

is that he did not do one
positive thing for this world,

and he killed so many
young women who would have.

Detective
Thompson called me

from Salt Lake City,

and he said something like,
"Get ready.

"We're gonna arrest Ted
for attempted kidnapping."

And I just immediately
fell apart

because it was like
my worst fear come true.

Even though I'd had
all of these conversations

with the police,

I was still hoping
that it wasn't true,

and that something, somehow,

would... would prove that.

I was still going
back and forth constantly.

"This can't be true."

"He's innocent."

And yet here he was,
going to be arrested.

It's kind of like I froze.

It felt like the bottom
of my stomach fell out.

And... I just
had to tell Molly.

I remember
my mom picked me up

at my friend's house

and took me
to this nearby park

and told me that now
he was being suspected of

attempted kidnapping.

And...

And that mystified me too.
It just made no sense.

And I had such
grief about it.

It was so terrible to see
him accused of these things,

and I thought it was
a terrible mistake.

She loved Ted.

She was really upset.

It was horrible.

So he started writing
letters right away

when he was in jail
in Salt Lake,

and asking me
if I would stand by him.

And he talked about
me and my daughter

being the best thing
that ever happened to him,

and that's what
he really missed.

I felt like he was
manipulating me.

I wanted to say goodbye,

but I didn't really
want to say goodbye.

I thought we were
just locked together,

and it was very
painful for me.

Okay, this is from
October 25th...

1975.

It's from the
Salt Lake City jail.

"What can I say
except I love you.

"What can I do except
want to touch and hold you?

"What could I hope for
except to hope that someday

"we can be together forever?

"I love you more and more
forever and forever.

"This I know is true.

"God love you
and be with you.

It's
just so intense,

and I... I share those...

I shared those feelings
at that time with him,

so it just made my heart...

it just felt this
heart connection.

I was
in and out of denial.

There's all these
coincidences,

and then I would think,

"No, remember these
good times we've had.

"We know who he is;
he's not this person."

So I was drinking a lot
to shut my mind up.

We had
a relationship with Liz

so that we could call her.

We tasked her with finding

documents and records
and things,

and also she was
providing us with information.

So she would call us;
we would call her.

We had a very...
very cordial,

almost collaborative
relationship,

but we also recognized that
this was a very stressful

thing for her because she
was still in contact with Ted

and still in some ways
considered herself

to be his girlfriend.

I started to see
a psychiatrist and he said,

"As long as you're
talking to Ted

"and you're seeing
and dealing with the police,

"you're gonna have this
mass confusion in your head,

"so you're gonna have to
like just stop contact."

And so I told Kathy
that I wasn't gonna be

interacting with
the police anymore.

Ted was on
the phone all the time.

All the time.

And the realization
came to me,

she's Ted's girl,

and she probably will
always be Ted's girl.

All of those years of this
passionate love between them,

that's why she hung on.

After seeing what
happened to her

I could never at any point
ever blame her.

It was Ted's parents
who bailed him out of jail.

He had written
an open letter,

which was published
in the press,

thanking his
many supporters,

and there were many of them
who came to his defence.

He showed up at our house
when he was out on bail

and he said,
"You know, Monkey,

"if there's anything at all

"you'd like to know about
the charges against me,

"you can ask me.

"I'd be more than happy
to talk with you about it."

And I said...

"Okay, did you do it?"

And he laughed it off.

"No, you know I didn't.
Of course I didn't do it."

What did you
think when he said that?

That he didn't do it?

I wanted to believe that.

You kind of
recommitted to him

in a sense,
didn't you?

I did.

Why
did you do that?

I can't explain it.

I, um...

I mean, I just
looked in his face

and I felt like,
"This man is not a killer.

"There's no way
this can be true.

"This is... this is the Ted
I've known for so many years."

And I did a complete flip
where I said,

"Well, I love this man.

"As long as I can,
I'm gonna be with him."

And we were.

When he was out on bail,
we were together.

There are always
people that don't understand

why people stay
in relationships

that aren't healthy.

I think that it's
very unfair of people

to judge why somebody
does that or doesn't do it.

It might not seem logical
to most people

but a lot of it
has to do with hope,

that people hope
to the very end

that their loved one
isn't the person

that's done the bad thing.

I remember I was
sent over to the courthouse

to cover this.

We knew that we were
involved in something huge,

but we all couldn't
wrap our heads around it.

We were all just...

"Really?

"It could be this guy
doing that stuff?"

We were afraid
that they would call me

as a witness,
so I stayed in Seattle.

Then he called me and said,
"I want you here,"

so I flew down there.

I felt like everybody
in the courtroom was...

had stopped breathing.

I mean, the parents of
some of the abducted women

were there.

Ted was nervous.

I mean, it was just a real...

Waiting for the judge to
come in was just agonizing.

I remember being on
the witness stand for hours,

um... being questioned
by his attorneys

trying to say that I didn't
have the right man, of course,

and how did I know that
he was the right man?

That I was mistaken.

Bundy, he was
down there sitting

with a smirk on his face,

always really arrogant,

kind of laughing when
I'd answer the questions.

You know,
we have our theories

as to how it happened and why
she did make an identification,

but... but I don't conclude

that it was because she got
a good look at her abductor

and was able
to remember him.

I don't think
that happened.

I remember a woman
in the neighbourhood

that I'd grown up in,
running into her

and she said, "Carol are you
sure you have the right man?"

And I said,
"Yes, I do."

And she had daughters.

And I just...

It was just really hard
to deal with.

There was a lot of people
that just couldn't believe

that he could do
something like that.

There was a...

kind of a culture
of disbelief.

There were definitely
people that thought

that he was being railroaded.

When he was brought
into court that morning

and I found myself
for a brief moment

saying to the guys
who were yelling to him,

"Ted, how many girls
did you kill?

"What'd you do
with the bodies?"

For a brief moment
I found myself saying,

"Hey, guys, innocent
until proven guilty."

Ted Bundy wasn't a
Charles Manson type person.

He was the guy next door.

He was the guy you'd meet
up at the University of Utah

and have coffee with,

and, you know,
be intrigued by him.

And at that moment
I realized

how so many girls
went with him,

and that scared me.

In a
Salt Lake City trial,

Bundy was convicted of
trying to kidnap Carol DaRonch

from a shopping centre
in Murray.

She managed to escape
from his Volkswagen

and testified
against him at the trial.

There was quite
a stir in the courtroom,

and immediately the guards
came and handcuffed Ted.

I rushed up
and gave him a hug,

but by this time
he was already in handcuffs.

He couldn't hug me back.

He just felt
hot and sweaty.

It was incredibly emotional.

I felt like this has been
a terrible travesty of justice,

that this should
not be happening.

I got very, very,
very drunk at the airport

on the way back
from his trial.

Um, in fact,
I got in a fight

with a woman
at the airport bar.

When I got home
I didn't go back to work

because I was just
too, too upset,

and I just could drink 24/7.

The Salt Lake cops who
had searched Bundy's apartment,

one of the things
the cops found

was Bundy's
credit card receipts.

And when they ran those
credit card receipts,

they found that the killing of
Caryn Campbell near Aspen,

Bundy had purchase gas
at the same time.

Bundy would drive, two, three,
four hundred miles,

leaving a trail of gas receipts
to be detected later on.

I looked at them.

When I saw the very
first card on top,

it was, "There it is."

The credit cards showed us
a real pattern on his driving.

This has really
given me something

to definitively

be able to get him
in or out of this case.

And it put him in it.

Theodore Bundy
is in Colorado tonight,

where he will stand trial
for first-degree murder.

Bundy is accused of
killing Caryn Campbell

of Dearborn, Michigan.

She was vacationing in Aspen

at the time of
her death in 1974.

We drove up to Glenwood
Springs to interview Ted.

And halfway up,

we called the station
to check in

and my news director said,

"Ted just called, he wants
to cancel the interview."

And we were, I don't
know where we were.

So I... went
to a payphone,

called Ted at the jail.

I said, "Ted, we're
halfway up here, you can't..."

"Okay, come on up."

Come on guys.

We knew
we had a scoop.

I mean, he did not let
anyone else interview him,

so that was a big deal.

He had been in
the Utah State Prison

for the kidnapping
of Carol DaRonch

so he went from this
highly guarded prison

to this country jail.

I mean, if you
look at the footage

and see what it was like...

We were shocked.
We were shocked.

First of all,

I guess I should just ask,
"How are you doing up here?"

That's a...

That's a short question
deserving a long answer.

I'm doing well.
I feel good.

And... working
hard on my case.

There were so many
different personalities

that I saw.

The winking, and being
the charismatic Ted,

and, you know,
"Be on my side,"

and "I'm not the Bundy Monster
that everyone's saying I am."

I knew what he was trying to do.
He was trying to work me.

There's always one thing

that amazed me-- as you know,
I covered your trial;

when the judge found you guilty
of second-degree kidnapping,

- you never showed any emotion.
- Yeah.

For somebody who
believes he is so innocent,

why was there no emotion?

People say, "Ted Bundy
didn't show any emotion.

"There must be
something in there."

I showed emotion.
You know what people said?

"See, he really can
get violent and angry."

I look back
on that interview,

which was 40 years ago,

and I'm a little
angry at myself,

because I find myself
smiling at him,

and I was doing that to try
to get into his graces

to try to get
some information out.

The little bit
that I did push

and he started
pounding his chest,

said, "I'm not
the Bundy Monster."

I mean, that's
how defensive he was.

When we left
I knew it was empty,

but we'd still
gotten the interview.

Convicted kidnapper
Ted Bundy is in Aspen,

arguing a motion relating to
a first-degree murder trial.

The former University
of Utah law student

is defending himself
on charges he killed...

We had a very attentive
clerk of the court.

She came to us and she said,
"He's gonna go escape,

"and I know how
he's gonna do it."

Bundy would always approach
her about doing Xerox,

and the Xerox was located
in front of a window,

and he would always
look up and down

the back of the courthouse.

We went right to the
Sheriff's Office with it

and we've told
them about it.

This is the plan,
and he's got to be watched.

He's going to go.

During a recess
in the hearing

Bundy was allowed to
go to the law library

at the rear of the courtroom
on the second floor

of the Pitkin County
Courthouse.

There, the unwatched, uncuffed
Bundy went to the window

and leapt two storeys
to freedom.

They just
weren't doing their job.

Bundy came here Wednesday

after spending a miserable
night in the rain.

Then last night, Bundy said
he walked into Aspen,

took this car,
which was unlocked

and had the keys
in the ignition.

That's when Bundy
was apprehended.

- Hi, Ted.
- How ya doin'?

Good.
How are you?

I'm here.

I was
at my parents' house

for the holidays in Utah,
and Ted called me.

And the first thing
I said to him, I said,

"I've asked you not
to call me here

"because it just
causes difficulty,"

because my parents
didn't like the fact

that I was still
interacting with him.

And he said, "Well, I just
needed to call you

"and tell you I love you
and goodbye."

And I said,
"How many times

"have we done this
with each other?"

So I had no idea
that he was gonna leave

and escape.

Bundy was
being held here

in the Garfield County Jail.

The former law student
ripped out a light fixture

and then manoeuvred
himself up through

a 12-inch by 12-inch
hole in the ceiling.

Detective Keppel
called me and told me

that Ted was gone,

and told me
if I hear from him,

I'm obligated to
call the detectives,

and he's dangerous.

Ground units,
helicopters, and dogs

have been searching for Bundy.

Roadblocks have
been set up

around the town of
Glenwood Springs,

and an all-points bulletin
has been issued.

I was mostly afraid
that he was gonna come back

and think that I was gonna
help him remain free,

which I couldn't do,

because that would
put me in jeopardy.

I felt very vulnerable.

What if I refuse to help him?

Will he kill me?
Will he kill my daughter?

I was starting
to feel afraid.