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♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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(PHONE RINGING)
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(DOG BARKING)
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(PHONE BEEPS)
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MICHELLE MCNAMARA: Hi, Cliff.
My name is Michelle McNamara.
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I'm a crime writer
in Los Angeles.
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I am doing a series
on unsolved crimes.
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Hi, Kate.
This is Michelle McNamara.
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-Hey, it's Michelle.
-PETE KOTZ: Hi, Michelle.
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MICHELLE: Hi.
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I-- I write a lot about
unsolved cases.
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One that I, um,
am very fascinated with is
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the East Area Rapist,
Original Night Stalker case.
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I think it's very solvable.
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There's a good likelihood
that he is still alive
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and he's out there.
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I think the narcotic
pull for me
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is what I think of
as the powerful absence
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that haunts an unsolved crime.
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Murderers lose their power
the moment we know them.
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We see their unkempt shirts,
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the uncertain fear
tightening their faces
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as they're led
into a courtroom.
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When I'm puzzling
over the details
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of an unsolved crime,
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I'm like a rat in a maze
given a task.
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And I mean that
in the best possible way.
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The world narrows,
the search propels.
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I felt, in the truest sense
of the word, gripped.
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I had a murder habit
and it was bad.
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I would feed it
for the rest of my life.
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♪ ("AVALANCHE"
BY AIMEE MANN PLAYING) ♪
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♪ Well, I stepped
Into an avalanche ♪
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♪ It covered up my soul ♪
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♪ When I am not this hunchback
That you see ♪
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♪ I sleep beneath
The golden hill ♪
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♪ You who wish
To conquer pain ♪
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♪ You must learn ♪
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♪ Learn to serve me well ♪
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(KEYBOARD CLACKING)
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WOMAN: So,
what's in Herndon, Virginia?
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PATTON OSWALT: Herndon, Virginia
is where my parents live,
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so I was back there for a week,
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and while my daughter
was visiting her grandparents,
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I was in the basement
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struggling to get
this afterword done
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'cause it was hard going.
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Um... 'Cause I was also
re-reading the book.
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And there were
those moments when
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I would want to just...
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like, run upstairs
and go tell her something
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because it felt like
I was listening to her
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and then I'm like,
"Oh no. She's not..."
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-You know.
-Mm-hmm.
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So it was just--
it was a very--
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-Yeah. Well, I can only imagine.
-PATTON: For me.
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♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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MICHELLE: That summer, I hunted
the serial killer at night
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from my daughter's playroom.
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I'd retreat
to my makeshift workspace
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and boot up my laptop in search
of a man I'd never met
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who raped and murdered people
I didn't know.
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In 1977,
the Golden State Killer,
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as I'd come to call him,
hadn't yet graduated to murder.
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Long before he was known
by the acronym EAR/ONS
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and even before he was known
as the Original Night Stalker,
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they called him
the East Area Rapist,
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who was attacking women
and girls in their bedrooms
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throughout Northern California.
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CAROL DALY:
This man is considered
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to have an extremely
violent potential.
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There isn't much
that you can do
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except comply with his demands.
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MICHELLE:
He always wore a mask.
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The victims slept untroubled
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until the flashlight's blaze
forced open their eyes.
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Sleepy minds lumbered,
then raced.
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A figure they couldn't see
wielded the light.
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But who? And why?
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The other thing that's so
interesting about this case
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that I think about a lot
is, you know,
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serial killers are, um...
Oh dear.
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-This is awkward.
-(CAMERON CHUCKLES)
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Hi. (LAUGHS)
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Why are you wearing a skirt
as a dress?
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Oh, my God.
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You are so funny.
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CAMERON CLOUTIER:
So, how did you...
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Let's just start
at the very beginning.
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How did you first
become interested in this case?
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Like this particular case?
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So, this particular one,
you know, what's interesting
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is that I remember
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the great tragedy of this case
to me
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is that it's not better known.
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I mean I can't, you know,
like, you know,
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I wish Zodiac would get rid
of his 15 minutes of fame
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so that EAR/ONS
could get a little heat,
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-you know? Um...
-CAMERON: Right.
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And so I was very shocked.
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I think it was just four
or five years ago
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that I happened to be home
one night
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and one of the E! shows
or something was on,
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and I thought, "You've gotta be
kidding me. I've never-- what?"
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♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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MICHELLE: I looked it up.
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And Larry Crompton's book
kind of got me.
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That's been the last, like,
year kind of obsession.
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-CAMERON: Mm-hmm. Right.
-Started with that book.
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♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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WOMAN #1:
It was a Friday night.
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It was probably after 1:00,
closer to 2:00.
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WOMAN #2:
We were awakened by a voice
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and a bright light in our face.
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WOMAN #3: Then there he is...
with his ski mask
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and the only thing you can see
is his silhouette.
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WOMAN #4: Then he said, uh,
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"Don't move or I'll kill you."
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♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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MICHELLE:
Welcome to Crime Scene,
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a podcast that examines
real life crimes.
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I'm Michelle McNamara
of truecrimediary dot com.
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The terror began
on June 18th, 1976,
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when a masked man raped
a young woman home alone
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in middle class
Rancho Cordova.
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(DOOR OPENS)
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Larry Crompton
is a retired lieutenant
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from the Contra Costa
Sheriff's Department.
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He worked on the Rapist
Task Force in the '70s.
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LARRY CROMPTON: Okay.
All of these were suspects
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that we-- we worked on
and, uh, eliminated.
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And, uh...
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and some of them really,
really did look good.
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But, uh...
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MICHELLE: He recently
published a book on the case.
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Sudden Terror
draws on police reports,
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victim interviews,
Crompton's notes,
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newspaper clippings.
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What follows is my conversation
with him.
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♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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-(LARRY MUMBLING)
-MICHELLE:
So, to put together your book,
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you mostly went through
your files. Was that...
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-LARRY: Yeah, I had everything.
-Wow.
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LARRY: And I was there.
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♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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LARRY: Now present,
Sergeant Larry Crompton,
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Sheriff's Office.
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We're conducting
an interview for...
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case file 7917426
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that occurred on 6-11-79.
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MICHELLE: You talked about it
in the book so well,
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sort of coming in,
and that you felt him
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and I just wondered, like,
what that feeling was like.
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LARRY: It's just--
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it's hard to believe this,
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but when I walked
into the house
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I had a feeling.
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The hair on the back of my neck
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would just
feel like it was standing up.
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It was just the...
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the fear that
was in the victims
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and, uh, and listening
to what they--
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what they said.
It...
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It just had a feeling
that this is a madman.
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It wasn't anything
that we had dealt with before.
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He always wore a mask,
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always wore gloves,
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talked through clenched teeth,
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set the houses up
prior to the victim's arriving,
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unlocked doors and windows,
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opened gates.
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Okay.
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This is our backyard.
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This was the window right here.
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It's on the far side
of the house.
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I came out here,
I walked down here,
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and went this way
to the front of the street,
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and that's how I got out,
right there.
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This is the back fence
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to get over.
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LARRY: If there was a man
in the house,
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he would throw shoelaces
on the bed
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and tell the woman
to tie him up.
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He would rummage and then
he would come back with dishes.
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He'd put dishes
on the man's back
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and tell him, "If I hear
these dishes rattle,
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I'm gonna kill your wife."
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WOMAN:
This is our family room...
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And that was what he was
putting into their minds,
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that they were going to die.
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And that's what he did
over and over and over.
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Two-two-seventy-eight.
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Twenty-three.
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The attack happened
on May 14th, uh, 1977.
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So this was my first birthday
after the attack.
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This is mine.
That's the room it was in.
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There's my kitchen.
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Boy, I have not looked at
these pictures in a long time.
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My job is to catch him,
and I didn't do that.
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And, uh, I can't let it go.
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MICHELLE: Were normally the
victims so relieved that
they were alive
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-that they--
-LARRY: Oh, yes. Oh, yes.
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-MICHELLE: Yeah.
-LARRY: Definitely.
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MICHELLE: Yeah. I wondered.
I tried to put myself
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in that situation,
you know, and, uh...
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to go into someone's home
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is screwing with them
mentally too.
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-LARRY: Yeah.
-MICHELLE: Ugh, yeah.
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-That's scary.
-LARRY: Yeah.
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♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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You know, I think the story
of the victim-- victims,
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it has to be told.
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PATTON: I remember Michelle
ultimately wanted to serve
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helping to get this guy caught.
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She looked at it
from the hopeful, optimistic,
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humans putting puzzles together,
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trying to get closure,
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trying to make sense
of violence and despair.
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I mean, what drives me
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is the need to put a face
on a unknown killer.
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And what-- what I love
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is this intersection of sort of
technology and crime solving,
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in that people can get sort of
wheeled out of their house
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for something they did in 1957
because of the internet,
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because of DNA.
I really get off on that.
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That is so amazing to me,
and I wanna be a part of that.
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Nothing-- it's, you know,
everyone has their cause,
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and this just feels like
what I was born to do.
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(KEYBOARD CLACKING)
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I love digging for clues,
I love putting things together.
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I love the puzzling part of it.
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I love being wrong
because sometimes it proves
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that you didn't know enough,
and you learn new techniques.
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I love every single aspect
of it.
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MAN: What led you
to starting this blog?
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MICHELLE: Well, I always
followed crime stories,
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and I was always a writer.
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So I really just--
I started it on a lark, really.
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KAREN KILGARIFF: I started
reading Michelle's blog,
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True Crime Diary, basically
on a recommendation.
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And I was obsessed with it.
Like, she couldn't post enough.
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Her stories
and the way she told them,
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made them so memorable.
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You know,
they all stuck with you.
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MICHELLE: Whatever light
existed was blotted out.
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The sound of hurried footsteps
faded away.
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It had that feeling of, like,
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under the blanket
with a flashlight at night.
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I was kind of amazed
at how quickly it caught on.
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KAREN: When people talk to me
about finding that blog,
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there's a real excitement
where people are like,
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"I've read every single post."
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It was like they were
drug addicts or something.
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MICHELLE: I would say
about a year in,
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I started to realize I wasn't
really in an echo chamber,
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that people were kind of
starting to read it
and respond to it.
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KAREN: Most of the TV shows
that would cover these stories
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were very cold
or really kind of exploitive.
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We spent a bunch of time
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watching a reenactment
of a beautiful young actress
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being attacked over and over
while wearing lingerie.
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(WOMAN SCREAMING)
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KAREN: But Michelle's blog kind
of changed, I think, the focus.
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She personalized those people.
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If you can remind people
about the humanity
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at the other end of that gun.
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"This was a person with hopes
and dreams, with family,
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that could've
done this, this, or this."
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That's what Michelle did
in her writing.
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CHRISTINE BLACKBURN:
All right. Here we go, folks.
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We've got Michelle McNamara.
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She's a writer
and a web sleuth.
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She has taught college writing,
uh, worked as an editor,
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sold TV pilots, and also
consulted for Dateline.
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She is a truth seeker
is what she is.
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-(MICHELLE LAUGHS)
-Let's face it.
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You have a career,
you have a life
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because people are always
gonna get murdered.
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-MICHELLE: Well. Yeah.
The murder biz.
-You deal with the devil.
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She was a pioneer,
she was somebody
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who was creating, uh,
you know, something new.
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Yeah.
Nothing was like that in 2007.
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PATTON: Hi, Los Angeles.
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Patton Oswalt
on Jonesy's Jukebox.
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That was "Ceremony"
by New Order.
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I am sitting here
with the lovely and intelligent
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Michelle McNamara, my wife,
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who is the writer and creator
of truecrimediary dot com.
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I think this is one of
the best written
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and creepiest crime blogs
on the web.
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MICHELLE: You're such
a good husband. (LAUGHS)
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PATTON: It is! No, it's a good--
I'm telling you, man.
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If this site was awful, I would
have to be lying all the time.
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-(MICHELLE LAUGHS)
-So, um, Michelle.
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-MICHELLE: Mm-hmm?
-You were telling me about
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something going on
in the Northwest right now.
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MICHELLE: Yeah, I mean,
I have a theory that there is
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a serial killer
operating in the Northwest
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who is killing couples,
like, out camping.
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There's been about
four or five cases
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where there seems
to be no motive
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and they are both shot
in the head.
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PATTON: I remember
the Jenner case so clearly.
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That was such
a turning point for her
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because she became
very fascinated
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with how crimes
are investigated.
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MICHELLE: It's not easy
to get to this beach.
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You have to negotiate
a tricky path
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down a rocky cliff.
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On Wednesday, August 18th,
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a sheriff's helicopter
noticed two sleeping bags
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on Fish Head Beach.
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Despite the noise and nearness
of the helicopter,
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the figures in the sleeping
bags didn't move.
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Lindsay and Jason had each been
shot in the head at close range
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with a .45 caliber
Marlin rifle.
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PATTON: That is a creepy beach.
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MICHELLE: I showed you
all that evidence--
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or all that footage,
it's a very creepy beach.
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PATTON: The act of actually
going to the crime scene
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and walking the case
made her go, "Oh...
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Yeah, I can't just be clicking
on the internet.
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I have to go visit places
and look at places."
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It changed the way
she wrote about it.
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DICK GORDON: When did you make
the shift, Michelle,
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from just reading stuff
and absorbing it
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to thinking,
"I can do something here.
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I can start trying to connect
dots that I might see
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that others have missed"?
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MICHELLE: There was this,
um, kind of national news
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about a kidnapping
that took place in Missouri.
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This boy had been kidnapped
from a bus stop.
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And it immediately reminded me
of a lesser known case
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that had happened
five years before
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that no one else
was talking about,
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but there were things
that were interesting to me.
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So I posted, um,
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that I think whoever took
this boy, Ben Ownby,
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probably also took this kid,
Shawn Hornbeck.
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And I posted it on a Wednesday.
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That Friday,
the police in St. Louis
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went to investigate a tip about
where Ben Ownby might be,
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and they knocked on the door,
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and Shawn Hornbeck
opened the door.
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DICK: You mean, a kid who'd been
kidnapped years earlier
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-answered the door?
-MICHELLE: Right. Right.
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And again, this was three days
after I had posted,
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"I think they're probably
taken by the same person."
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That was a big moment for me.
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I could start to see where my
head full of facts and details
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could intersect
with technology.
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You know, I had started
to kind of use internet tools
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to figure out that
they seemed similar
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and that they might be
connected.
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JACKIE KASHIAN:
It's got to be amazing
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when you find
a new sort of clue.
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MICHELLE:
When people describe, like,
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porn addiction or something.
And...
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-No, this is really weird.
-JACKIE: (CHUCKLES) Right.
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MICHELLE: I can't stop myself,
time disappears.
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JACKIE: Oh, right.
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MICHELLE: You know,
all those things happen.
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JACKIE:
So it's a genuine addiction?
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-MICHELLE: Yeah. Yeah.
-JACKIE: You are onboard.
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Are you doing this now,
currently?
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MICHELLE: Oh, every night,
until like 2:00 in the morning.
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(JACKIE LAUGHS)
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I cannot remember
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the specific time we started
talking about EAR/ONS
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because every day,
there was so many cases
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she was following up.
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And then... just organically,
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that became the thing
that got narrowed down.
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NANCY MILLER:
I looked at Michelle's blog,
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truecrimediary dot com,
and I was really intrigued.
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So she and I first met in 2011
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to talk about
some story ideas.
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And she was so smart
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and so... (SIGHS) cool
and down to earth.
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And her shit was together.
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Not only that, I really liked
how she was unpretentious
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in a, obviously, pretty
pretentious city and business.
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I remember
she wore these, like, clogs.
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She had a backpack
like a-- like a--
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that she bought at Target.
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And she just showed up totally
like in a-- in a flannel shirt
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and just as like
low-key as possible.
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So we meet up,
we go to this cafe.
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I think we met there
like at 11:00
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and probably didn't leave
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until about 3:00
in the afternoon.
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Because she started telling me
this story about this guy.
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MICHELLE: The case
that is sort of my--
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the biggest case that
I'm most obsessed with is...
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The short version is,
basically, he's the worst
serial offender
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in modern history
that no one really knows about.
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He raped over 50 women
in California
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and killed 10 people.
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Um, and he's never been caught.
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There's no one
like him out there.
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There hasn't been before.
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He is a such a unique offender.
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00:21:06,327 --> 00:21:09,494
This guy
was one of the most prolific,
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violent, brutal, serial rapists,
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and eventually a murderer.
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And I had never heard of him.
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Like you'd heard
of Zodiac Killer,
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you heard Son of Sam,
like you hear all of these big--
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especially in the '70s and '80s,
which seemed to be
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the most fertile period
for these serial killer stories.
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And I had never heard of him.
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MICHELLE: He would eat
in the people's kitchens,
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he would hide ligatures
under cushions
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so that when he was attacking,
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you suddenly
would watch this man
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take a ligature
under your cushion,
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you didn't even know
he had been in your house.
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NANCY: I'm drinking this,
like, Arnold Palmer
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that's like 36,000 ounces,
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and I'm like sipping on it
and drinking it and drinking it
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as she's telling me this story.
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I needed to go
to the bathroom really badly
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because my bladder
was like about to burst.
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But I couldn't.
I couldn't.
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And I just kept listening,
and listening and listening.
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And that's how I knew
it was a great story.
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You know, the challenge
for any magazine editor,
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any reporter and writer, is...
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00:22:03,577 --> 00:22:06,410
sure, you have, like, a person
or you have a topic,
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really interesting guy
from a long time ago,
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but there was nothing new
to say yet.
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MICHELLE: What's fascinating
to me about this case,
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is that it's rich
with so many clues
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and it really seems to me
that it's just
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time, energy, and curiosity.
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And that, um--
and frankly it should be solved.
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00:22:28,869 --> 00:22:30,702
I mean, it just should be.
439
00:22:33,744 --> 00:22:37,410
When I was so, um, gripped
by Crompton's book,
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I googled "East Area Rapist
Original Night Stalker."
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And this came up, this link,
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to the Cold Case Files
message board.
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And I was just...
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You know,
for someone like me, again,
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it's like, "Oh, wow,
look at all these--
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Oh, wow."
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00:22:55,369 --> 00:22:56,535
-(WOMAN LAUGHING)
-Like, "Wait!
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Who would spend,
you know, all this time..."
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00:22:59,786 --> 00:23:00,952
Well, me, I guess,
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because it's a week later
and I've read 20,000 posts.
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00:23:06,911 --> 00:23:08,369
You know,
certainly in this case,
452
00:23:08,452 --> 00:23:10,535
there was this community
of people.
453
00:23:10,619 --> 00:23:12,869
They all had different reasons
for being involved in it.
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Some of them, you know,
were from Sacramento
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and remembered
and were still fearful
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00:23:17,369 --> 00:23:18,952
and wanted to see it closed.
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00:23:22,619 --> 00:23:24,993
Others were more
kind of just, um,
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data mining,
sleuth kind of people.
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00:23:31,452 --> 00:23:32,827
You know, this was unique to me
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because I've never actually
been part of
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00:23:34,410 --> 00:23:36,869
this sort of message board
community before.
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00:23:36,952 --> 00:23:40,077
They throw around clues,
you know, you just--
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you go down the rabbit hole
kind of gleefully,
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00:23:42,619 --> 00:23:45,911
like, "Oh, there's just this
unending thread of information
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that I can find."
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EAR/ONS is an acronym
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for the East Area Rapist
slash Original Night Stalker.
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It's an awkward name befitting
a man who crossed jurisdictions
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and flummoxed law enforcement
for decades.
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What kind of man was he?
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♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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PAUL HAYNES: I'd been aware
of Michelle for, um,
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probably a few years.
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00:24:17,285 --> 00:24:19,744
I was a fan
of her True Crime Diary.
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00:24:20,911 --> 00:24:23,786
I'd read True Crime Diary
in its entirety.
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00:24:23,869 --> 00:24:26,702
So when she finally wrote
about the East Area Rapist,
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00:24:26,786 --> 00:24:29,118
it was, you know,
it was exciting.
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MICHELLE: I'm obsessed.
It's not healthy.
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I know the strangest details
about him.
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I know his blood type.
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I know his penis size.
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00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,285
He vaulted fences,
he escaped foot chases.
483
00:24:42,369 --> 00:24:46,202
But I believe it's the rare
moments when he was human
484
00:24:46,285 --> 00:24:48,952
that will be his downfall
in the end.
485
00:24:49,035 --> 00:24:52,952
Her writing evoked
the central, um, hook for me,
486
00:24:53,035 --> 00:24:53,993
which was the mystery,
487
00:24:54,077 --> 00:24:57,202
the question of
who is behind this crime?
488
00:24:57,285 --> 00:24:59,661
She wasn't
a ghoulish gore-hound.
489
00:24:59,744 --> 00:25:01,410
There was nothing tasteless
about her writing.
490
00:25:01,494 --> 00:25:03,327
It struck just the right tone.
491
00:25:03,410 --> 00:25:05,118
MICHELLE: An impressive
community of people
492
00:25:05,202 --> 00:25:08,410
has come together
at an A&E sponsored website.
493
00:25:08,494 --> 00:25:10,827
Unlike other
unsolved mystery communities,
494
00:25:10,911 --> 00:25:13,619
the EAR/ONS community's
desire for justice
495
00:25:13,702 --> 00:25:15,993
feels strong and sincere.
496
00:25:16,077 --> 00:25:19,077
She reached out to me privately,
and we started corresponding,
497
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,327
and, um,
it was evident she was, like,
498
00:25:21,410 --> 00:25:23,744
entrenched in this case.
As was I.
499
00:25:23,827 --> 00:25:26,202
MICHELLE: I just kind of...
I saw who seemed to be
500
00:25:26,285 --> 00:25:28,369
some of the, like,
kind of leaders on the board,
501
00:25:28,452 --> 00:25:30,369
and I just began kind of
personal messaging.
502
00:25:30,452 --> 00:25:32,285
PAUL: You know,
we started exchanging notes
503
00:25:32,369 --> 00:25:36,786
and, um, developed a rapport
pretty quickly.
504
00:25:36,869 --> 00:25:38,619
You know,
we just built mutual trust
505
00:25:38,702 --> 00:25:39,911
until we were just, you know,
506
00:25:39,993 --> 00:25:42,661
openly sharing
our work with each other.
507
00:25:42,744 --> 00:25:44,410
And that's when we discovered
that a lot of it
508
00:25:44,494 --> 00:25:46,327
had intersected.
509
00:25:47,535 --> 00:25:49,786
MICHELLE: We kind of started
just exchanging ideas
510
00:25:49,869 --> 00:25:51,202
and theories
and things like that.
511
00:25:51,285 --> 00:25:53,327
And we just kind of
forged a friendship,
512
00:25:53,410 --> 00:25:55,202
you know, a strange friendship
513
00:25:55,285 --> 00:25:57,952
over this strange
30-year-old case.
514
00:26:00,911 --> 00:26:02,827
-(KEYBOARD CLACKING)
-Hi.
515
00:26:02,911 --> 00:26:04,285
My name is Michelle.
516
00:26:04,369 --> 00:26:07,035
I'm a longtime lurker
on the EAR/ONS board.
517
00:26:07,118 --> 00:26:09,369
The case is of interest to me,
and you seem
518
00:26:09,452 --> 00:26:12,577
really measured and thoughtful
in your responses.
519
00:26:12,661 --> 00:26:15,702
I wanted to know if you have
any thoughts on something.
520
00:26:15,786 --> 00:26:17,702
I spent an afternoon
doing some research,
521
00:26:17,786 --> 00:26:21,911
and I feel like I've stumbled
upon a compelling suspect.
522
00:26:21,993 --> 00:26:24,118
MELANIE BARBEAU: Hi, Michelle.
Thanks for trusting me
523
00:26:24,202 --> 00:26:25,577
with this information.
524
00:26:25,661 --> 00:26:26,911
I'm a Sacramento native
525
00:26:26,993 --> 00:26:29,661
and have been investigating
this case for years.
526
00:26:29,744 --> 00:26:30,869
Let's talk.
527
00:26:32,327 --> 00:26:33,869
MICHELLE:
I traveled to Sacramento
528
00:26:33,952 --> 00:26:36,869
to meet a woman
about whom I know very little,
529
00:26:36,952 --> 00:26:39,993
including the spelling
of her last name.
530
00:26:43,661 --> 00:26:46,702
The Social Worker operates
as a kind of gatekeeper
531
00:26:46,786 --> 00:26:49,535
between investigators
and the board community.
532
00:26:49,619 --> 00:26:51,494
This irks some posters
533
00:26:51,577 --> 00:26:54,661
who accuse her of hinting
at confidential information
534
00:26:54,744 --> 00:26:57,786
but then shutting down
when asked to share.
535
00:26:57,869 --> 00:27:00,243
She greeted me
in the parking lot
536
00:27:00,327 --> 00:27:03,869
by waving her arms
wildly overhead.
537
00:27:03,952 --> 00:27:05,702
I liked her right away.
538
00:27:06,702 --> 00:27:08,285
Well, we had been
in communication.
539
00:27:08,369 --> 00:27:10,452
I knew she was flying
into Sacramento,
540
00:27:10,535 --> 00:27:13,035
and she was another civilian
that was interested
541
00:27:13,118 --> 00:27:14,786
in the movement.
542
00:27:14,869 --> 00:27:17,410
And we would drive around
to the crime scenes.
543
00:27:17,494 --> 00:27:19,577
I would take her to the areas.
544
00:27:19,661 --> 00:27:22,160
And so we drove around
for hours.
545
00:27:22,243 --> 00:27:24,327
We're gonna go
about five miles from here.
546
00:27:24,410 --> 00:27:25,661
MICHELLE: Okay.
547
00:27:25,744 --> 00:27:27,993
MELANIE: And I'm gonna take you
to the first crime scenes first.
548
00:27:28,077 --> 00:27:29,202
MICHELLE: Okay.
549
00:27:29,285 --> 00:27:32,243
Our language just immediately
became, uh, you know,
550
00:27:32,327 --> 00:27:34,702
about the case facts
and about what we knew
551
00:27:34,786 --> 00:27:36,577
and what this,
and what do you think of that?
552
00:27:36,661 --> 00:27:38,744
It was a language
that nobody else probably
553
00:27:38,827 --> 00:27:40,911
could've understood
what we were talking about
554
00:27:40,993 --> 00:27:42,577
unless you have that experience
555
00:27:42,661 --> 00:27:44,410
or you were aware of the case.
556
00:27:44,494 --> 00:27:47,535
I just don't think it's gonna be
somebody that everybody thought,
557
00:27:47,619 --> 00:27:49,285
"Oh, that's
the East Area Rapist."
558
00:27:49,369 --> 00:27:51,577
-MICHELLE: Well, I mean,
I think you're right because...
-I think it's gonna be--
559
00:27:51,661 --> 00:27:52,786
MICHELLE: ...he wasn't caught.
560
00:27:52,869 --> 00:27:54,285
-I mean, obviously--
-Yeah, I think it's gonna be
561
00:27:54,369 --> 00:27:56,160
somebody that they go, "Really?"
562
00:27:56,243 --> 00:27:57,243
MICHELLE: Right, right.
563
00:27:57,327 --> 00:27:59,702
Obviously, he didn't stand out
at the time.
564
00:27:59,786 --> 00:28:01,993
There's something about
two women getting together
565
00:28:02,077 --> 00:28:04,327
that have a common cause
and a common goal
566
00:28:04,410 --> 00:28:06,035
and, you know, we're crusaders,
567
00:28:06,118 --> 00:28:08,160
we're warriors,
we're on the path.
568
00:28:08,243 --> 00:28:12,160
You know, that was the beginning
of a relationship.
569
00:28:12,243 --> 00:28:15,993
We'll remain
lifelong friends forever.
570
00:28:16,077 --> 00:28:20,202
♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
571
00:28:22,661 --> 00:28:25,494
MELANIE: First, we're gonna head
into Rancho Cordova
572
00:28:25,577 --> 00:28:29,535
to, um, his very early attacks,
573
00:28:29,619 --> 00:28:32,702
number one and number three.
574
00:28:32,786 --> 00:28:36,702
MICHELLE: Sacramento. I mean,
when you were growing up,
575
00:28:36,786 --> 00:28:38,744
did it seem to be, like, a
lot of people who worked for--
576
00:28:38,827 --> 00:28:41,410
-MELANIE:
It was a cow town, it was...
-Okay. But there's a--
577
00:28:41,494 --> 00:28:43,202
when you say "cow town,"
you mean that there was
578
00:28:43,285 --> 00:28:45,911
-the outlying farms and stuff?
-MELANIE: Yeah,
it's kind of outlying farms.
579
00:28:45,993 --> 00:28:48,285
-MICHELLE:
There's still a lot of, like--
-It's still outlying. Yeah.
580
00:28:48,369 --> 00:28:49,619
MICHELLE: Well, you see,
it's interesting
581
00:28:49,702 --> 00:28:51,535
'cause coming from LA,
you almost never see sort of
582
00:28:51,619 --> 00:28:53,494
-big, open, empty spaces.
-Mm-hmm.
583
00:28:53,577 --> 00:28:55,535
MICHELLE: And driving around,
it was like, "Wow."
584
00:28:55,619 --> 00:28:57,535
MELANIE: We're entering
the Rancho Cordova realm.
585
00:28:57,619 --> 00:28:58,869
MICHELLE: Okay. Yeah.
586
00:28:58,952 --> 00:29:02,035
MELANIE: And I'm gonna take you
right into the heart of it all.
587
00:29:02,118 --> 00:29:03,452
MICHELLE: Mm-hmm.
588
00:29:03,535 --> 00:29:05,827
MELANIE: This is where
the first crime occurs.
589
00:29:08,035 --> 00:29:13,661
When you first are, like,
learning about the case,
590
00:29:13,744 --> 00:29:17,160
you just wanna get
a feel for, like,
591
00:29:17,243 --> 00:29:19,911
where did these things happen?
592
00:29:19,993 --> 00:29:23,410
Who were the players in this,
and, you know,
593
00:29:23,494 --> 00:29:26,202
can you tell anything more
about this offender
594
00:29:26,285 --> 00:29:28,869
by going into the places
he was in?
595
00:29:28,952 --> 00:29:31,369
A few houses down on the right
is number three.
596
00:29:31,452 --> 00:29:33,744
MICHELLE: Yeah, so these houses
are close together, yeah.
597
00:29:33,827 --> 00:29:37,243
MELANIE: Yeah. And I'll actually
show you number one's house.
598
00:29:37,327 --> 00:29:41,702
For Michelle, it's like,
"I wanna get in this guy's mind.
599
00:29:41,786 --> 00:29:43,494
I wanna go to these places.
600
00:29:43,577 --> 00:29:45,702
I wanna try to understand...
601
00:29:46,869 --> 00:29:50,369
Why this area,
and why so close together?
602
00:29:50,452 --> 00:29:52,202
You know, was he from here?"
603
00:29:52,285 --> 00:29:55,243
-This is his hotspot.
-MICHELLE: Mm-hmm.
604
00:29:56,494 --> 00:29:58,577
MELANIE:
This is the house right here.
605
00:29:58,661 --> 00:30:01,285
He cut the phone lines
606
00:30:01,369 --> 00:30:05,619
and, uh... raped her
607
00:30:05,702 --> 00:30:07,993
and left the scene.
608
00:30:08,077 --> 00:30:13,160
This was in June.
June 18, 1976, was this attack.
609
00:30:13,243 --> 00:30:15,993
And the attack we're going to
was in August,
610
00:30:16,077 --> 00:30:18,869
August 29, '76.
611
00:30:18,952 --> 00:30:22,285
We're pulling up to
attack number three right now.
612
00:30:22,369 --> 00:30:24,869
-That's how close he was.
-MICHELLE: Wow.
613
00:30:24,952 --> 00:30:26,619
He had to be from around here.
614
00:30:26,702 --> 00:30:30,577
MELANIE: "A 12-year-old saw a
masked man outside the window,
615
00:30:30,661 --> 00:30:32,327
ran and woke her mother up.
616
00:30:32,410 --> 00:30:36,160
The mother ran to the kitchen
and dialed the operator.
617
00:30:36,243 --> 00:30:38,993
Moments later,
EAR was standing in the doorway
618
00:30:39,077 --> 00:30:42,243
with a club and a gun,
naked from the waist down.
619
00:30:42,327 --> 00:30:45,035
He told the mother,
'Freeze or I'll kill you.'
620
00:30:45,118 --> 00:30:48,869
The mother grabbed the gun band
as he approached her.
621
00:30:48,952 --> 00:30:51,577
He clubbed her
until she lay on the floor.
622
00:30:51,661 --> 00:30:55,077
A neighbor had seen EAR
walking away with no pants on,
623
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,369
but could not
describe his face."
624
00:30:57,452 --> 00:30:59,369
This is the second house in,
625
00:30:59,452 --> 00:31:01,327
and if we drive
to the corner house,
626
00:31:01,410 --> 00:31:03,952
and if you kind of just
look on the fence line
627
00:31:04,035 --> 00:31:05,494
right here through,
628
00:31:05,577 --> 00:31:08,535
this goes straight
to the attack,
629
00:31:08,619 --> 00:31:10,285
uh, number one attack,
630
00:31:10,369 --> 00:31:12,535
in June of '76.
631
00:31:12,619 --> 00:31:15,702
The neighbor also said
that he was hearing,
632
00:31:15,786 --> 00:31:20,369
for a couple months prior,
people jumping over his fence.
633
00:31:20,452 --> 00:31:25,327
It's my guess
that he was actually, uh,
634
00:31:25,410 --> 00:31:28,744
looking at these houses
long before he attacked.
635
00:31:30,327 --> 00:31:32,827
It's amazing to me
that any one person
636
00:31:32,911 --> 00:31:36,118
could get away
with this many crimes.
637
00:31:36,202 --> 00:31:39,118
And you can just see
how they're just stones--
638
00:31:39,202 --> 00:31:41,827
a stone's throw away
from each other.
639
00:31:41,911 --> 00:31:43,827
And right down the fence line.
640
00:31:43,911 --> 00:31:46,327
MICHELLE: But he wasn't walking
on those kind of fences,
was he?
641
00:31:46,410 --> 00:31:47,744
-MELANIE: Yeah.
-MICHELLE: I mean, that's--
642
00:31:47,827 --> 00:31:49,369
MELANIE: He's said to have been
walking them.
643
00:31:49,452 --> 00:31:50,744
MICHELLE: Oh, wow.
644
00:31:52,702 --> 00:31:56,327
♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
645
00:31:57,744 --> 00:31:59,369
PATTON:
As Michelle was going up
646
00:31:59,452 --> 00:32:02,494
doing drive-arounds
of Sacramento,
647
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,410
I saw her confidence growing.
648
00:32:05,494 --> 00:32:08,577
It was really exciting
to have someone who was--
649
00:32:08,661 --> 00:32:11,285
you're in love with someone,
and they're doing something,
650
00:32:11,369 --> 00:32:14,661
and you can see how excited
and energized they are about it.
651
00:32:14,744 --> 00:32:16,827
And that makes you excited
and energized.
652
00:32:17,827 --> 00:32:18,952
(LAUGHTER)
653
00:32:19,035 --> 00:32:22,577
I'm amazed I'm still funny.
I'm amazed I'm still funny
654
00:32:22,661 --> 00:32:24,786
because I'm in love.
655
00:32:24,869 --> 00:32:27,869
-I'm in love. I'm in love.
-(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)
656
00:32:27,952 --> 00:32:29,035
Yes, I am.
657
00:32:29,702 --> 00:32:31,327
And there is nothing--
658
00:32:31,410 --> 00:32:33,410
nothing ends a comedian's career
659
00:32:33,494 --> 00:32:35,786
quicker than regular sex
and being in love.
660
00:32:35,869 --> 00:32:38,285
It's the worst thing
on the planet.
661
00:32:38,369 --> 00:32:40,327
My girlfriend is obsessed
with, like, true crime
662
00:32:40,410 --> 00:32:42,619
and serial killers too.
All she does all day.
663
00:32:42,702 --> 00:32:45,410
Watches FBI Files,
Forensic Files on TV,
664
00:32:45,494 --> 00:32:48,744
the most graphic, disturbing,
depressing shows.
665
00:32:48,827 --> 00:32:50,369
I walk in the house
every single day,
666
00:32:50,452 --> 00:32:53,452
"The amount of semen
found in the chest cavity
lead investigators..."
667
00:32:53,535 --> 00:32:55,035
Oh, my God!
668
00:32:56,535 --> 00:32:58,869
She's like, "Shh!
It's the Semen Cavity Killer,
669
00:32:58,952 --> 00:33:00,452
I wanna see what the..."
(MUTTERS)
670
00:33:00,535 --> 00:33:02,494
-(SIGHS)
-(AUDIENCE LAUGHS)
671
00:33:04,535 --> 00:33:07,535
When I met Michelle,
it was on, um,
672
00:33:09,077 --> 00:33:10,952
it was a show at the Largo.
673
00:33:11,035 --> 00:33:13,243
I think it was May 20th.
674
00:33:14,202 --> 00:33:16,077
I had been doing
The King of Queens
675
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:17,410
for five years,
676
00:33:17,494 --> 00:33:19,993
and I'd had a couple specials
at that point.
677
00:33:20,077 --> 00:33:22,911
But she wasn't that steeped
in the comedy scene,
678
00:33:22,993 --> 00:33:25,160
so she didn't know who I was.
679
00:33:25,243 --> 00:33:28,869
MICHELLE: This guy was funny.
More than funny.
680
00:33:28,952 --> 00:33:32,993
He was moody and startling
but hilarious.
681
00:33:33,077 --> 00:33:36,535
He could move the crowd with
the tiniest of expressions.
682
00:33:36,619 --> 00:33:38,327
"Irish girls," he said.
683
00:33:38,410 --> 00:33:40,993
He knocked the microphone
against his forehead.
684
00:33:41,077 --> 00:33:43,327
"Irish girls are
my kryptonite."
685
00:33:43,410 --> 00:33:45,702
And then I was just
sitting at the bar afterwards
686
00:33:45,786 --> 00:33:47,535
and she was leaving,
and she literally tapped me
687
00:33:47,619 --> 00:33:49,535
and just went,
"Irish women, nice." And I was--
688
00:33:49,619 --> 00:33:53,118
and she was so fucking, like,
steamroller gorgeous
689
00:33:53,202 --> 00:33:55,661
that I was just stunned.
And I ran-- I literally
690
00:33:55,744 --> 00:33:58,035
-ran around the street.
-(LAUGHTER)
691
00:33:58,118 --> 00:33:59,369
And I went, "Hey!"
692
00:33:59,452 --> 00:34:01,952
And then that was the first word
I ever said to her was, "Hey!"
693
00:34:02,035 --> 00:34:03,494
-Screaming.
-(AUDIENCE LAUGHS)
694
00:34:03,577 --> 00:34:05,035
And then she turned around,
and I'm like,
695
00:34:05,118 --> 00:34:06,452
"I'm not gonna play
any fucking games.
696
00:34:06,535 --> 00:34:08,327
I want your name and number
so I can take you on a date
697
00:34:08,410 --> 00:34:09,786
-this weekend, are you free?"
-WOMAN: Yeah!
698
00:34:09,869 --> 00:34:11,285
And she went, "Yeah."
I went, "Good!
699
00:34:11,369 --> 00:34:13,827
-Give me your number."
-(AUDIENCE LAUGHS)
700
00:34:13,911 --> 00:34:19,619
It was just the most awkward,
non-James Bond moment
701
00:34:19,702 --> 00:34:21,494
I could've had.
702
00:34:21,577 --> 00:34:25,786
♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
703
00:34:27,869 --> 00:34:29,369
CAROLINE MEREDITH:
Take off my mask.
704
00:34:29,452 --> 00:34:32,035
PATTON: Our first date in LA,
they show movies
705
00:34:32,118 --> 00:34:34,118
at the Hollywood
Forever Cemetery.
706
00:34:34,202 --> 00:34:36,577
So we went and watched
an Italian film
707
00:34:36,661 --> 00:34:37,952
called The 10th Victim.
708
00:34:38,744 --> 00:34:39,786
(GUNSHOT)
709
00:34:40,577 --> 00:34:41,952
-(GUNSHOT)
-(MAN GRUNTS)
710
00:34:42,035 --> 00:34:45,285
Really goofy Italian
science fiction film.
711
00:34:45,369 --> 00:34:47,952
I was too nervous to really
do a lot of talking that night.
712
00:34:48,035 --> 00:34:50,494
She did way more of the talking
because she just was--
713
00:34:50,577 --> 00:34:52,160
and the more we talk, I'm like,
"Oh, my God,
714
00:34:52,243 --> 00:34:55,160
she's so smart and so cool,
I'm gonna screw this up."
715
00:34:59,410 --> 00:35:01,369
I remember I called her
late at night 'cause I was up,
716
00:35:01,452 --> 00:35:03,285
and I'm like, "The Creature
from the Black Lagoon is on,"
717
00:35:03,369 --> 00:35:05,744
and she goes, "I'm watching it!
It's one of my favorite movies."
718
00:35:05,827 --> 00:35:08,410
And that was one of the things
we bonded over really early.
719
00:35:08,494 --> 00:35:09,744
We loved that.
720
00:35:09,827 --> 00:35:12,160
MICHELLE: We loved many
of the same things,
721
00:35:12,243 --> 00:35:14,952
like Creature
from the Black Lagoon,
722
00:35:15,035 --> 00:35:18,327
tales of the grim and offbeat,
and good food.
723
00:35:19,577 --> 00:35:21,786
I didn't like the way his
comedian friends,
724
00:35:21,869 --> 00:35:25,035
including him, seemed to tell
jokes but never listen.
725
00:35:26,494 --> 00:35:29,077
He thought I was thin-skinned.
726
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,535
For a while, it seemed
it might not work.
727
00:35:33,577 --> 00:35:35,869
But one night,
he was saying goodbye to me,
728
00:35:35,952 --> 00:35:36,993
and he won me over
729
00:35:37,077 --> 00:35:41,202
with an adorable
Edward G. Robinson impression.
730
00:35:41,285 --> 00:35:43,619
And I was doing that "Yeah, see.
731
00:35:43,702 --> 00:35:45,619
Look at the getaway sticks
on that tomato."
732
00:35:45,702 --> 00:35:47,952
Like, you--
like, chatting her up,
733
00:35:48,035 --> 00:35:50,118
but in that old kinda slang,
734
00:35:50,202 --> 00:35:51,993
and she thought
that was so hilarious.
735
00:35:52,077 --> 00:35:54,410
MICHELLE: I laughed
and grabbed him.
736
00:35:54,993 --> 00:35:56,744
"More," I said.
737
00:35:56,827 --> 00:35:59,869
PATTON: "Ooh, look at the
keister on that hot number."
738
00:35:59,952 --> 00:36:02,035
You know, couples have in-jokes
with each other,
739
00:36:02,118 --> 00:36:04,410
and that became
one of my, you know...
740
00:36:04,494 --> 00:36:06,869
It was just all that '30s
gangster slang.
741
00:36:06,952 --> 00:36:09,452
I'd, you know,
however you wanna say it.
742
00:36:09,535 --> 00:36:10,952
I can't-- Oh, God.
743
00:36:12,786 --> 00:36:15,035
MICHELLE: I wouldn't let him go.
744
00:36:15,118 --> 00:36:19,285
After a while, we gave up
and moved in together.
745
00:36:19,369 --> 00:36:21,786
PATTON: I made
this custom desk for her
746
00:36:21,869 --> 00:36:24,410
that was in this kind of
half-moon shape.
747
00:36:24,494 --> 00:36:28,118
Like, I wanted her to have,
like, this command center.
748
00:36:28,202 --> 00:36:30,952
MICHELLE: I've never tired
of the Robinson impression.
749
00:36:32,452 --> 00:36:34,577
I've never tired of Patton.
750
00:36:36,744 --> 00:36:39,077
ADAM DRUCKER: Michelle knew
that she was a marrying
751
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,827
a famous person,
and as much as she lived a life
752
00:36:41,911 --> 00:36:45,452
that, you know, a lot of people
might fantasize about,
753
00:36:45,535 --> 00:36:47,369
none of that mattered to her.
754
00:36:47,452 --> 00:36:48,786
And I mean really.
755
00:36:50,452 --> 00:36:53,410
She was a regular
salt-of-the-earth
756
00:36:53,494 --> 00:36:55,869
Midwestern gal.
757
00:36:55,952 --> 00:36:58,494
And she didn't wanna be
anything else.
758
00:36:58,577 --> 00:37:00,494
PATTON:
The whole being photographed
759
00:37:00,577 --> 00:37:02,410
and going to premieres
and stuff,
760
00:37:02,494 --> 00:37:04,035
that meant nothing to her.
761
00:37:04,118 --> 00:37:05,744
MAN: Patton,
can we get a quick single?
762
00:37:05,827 --> 00:37:07,369
Especially if you're someone
who's thinking,
763
00:37:07,452 --> 00:37:08,786
"I wanna go home
and write later,
764
00:37:08,869 --> 00:37:10,285
I wanna get up tomorrow
and write."
765
00:37:10,369 --> 00:37:12,410
ADAM: One of her favorite things
in the world
766
00:37:12,494 --> 00:37:15,202
was to be in her room
under the covers,
767
00:37:15,285 --> 00:37:16,827
like, with a fan, reading.
768
00:37:16,911 --> 00:37:18,744
-(PAPARAZZI CLAMORING)
-You want Patton alone?
769
00:37:18,827 --> 00:37:20,327
MAN: Do you want to leave?
770
00:37:20,410 --> 00:37:21,869
(LAUGHS) Yes, I do.
771
00:37:21,952 --> 00:37:23,661
SARAH STANARD:
She went to the Oscars,
she went to the Grammys.
772
00:37:23,744 --> 00:37:26,035
We just always giggled about
it. I mean, it was just, like,
773
00:37:26,118 --> 00:37:28,410
so different
from how we grew up.
774
00:37:28,494 --> 00:37:30,410
She usually would wear black,
and she would joke
775
00:37:30,494 --> 00:37:33,118
that they would think
she was like a PR person.
776
00:37:33,202 --> 00:37:35,619
She was just an introvert.
That's all.
777
00:37:35,702 --> 00:37:38,327
ADAM: She was really good
at making herself
778
00:37:38,410 --> 00:37:40,702
sort of a fly on the wall
and inconspicuous.
779
00:37:40,786 --> 00:37:41,827
I think it's one of the reasons
780
00:37:41,911 --> 00:37:43,535
she had an incredible insight
into people,
781
00:37:43,619 --> 00:37:44,744
she listened, she watched,
782
00:37:44,827 --> 00:37:47,077
she didn't need to be
the center of attention.
783
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:48,702
She didn't want to be.
784
00:37:48,786 --> 00:37:50,577
I think she'd always been
sort of
785
00:37:50,661 --> 00:37:53,619
singled out as,
"You're a terrific writer."
786
00:37:53,702 --> 00:37:56,160
And then she got to LA
where, you know,
787
00:37:56,243 --> 00:37:58,661
there's a gazillion people
trying to do the same thing,
788
00:37:58,744 --> 00:38:00,202
and that was hard for her.
789
00:38:00,285 --> 00:38:02,327
She hadn't experienced,
you know,
790
00:38:02,410 --> 00:38:04,327
that degree
of consistent rejection
791
00:38:04,410 --> 00:38:06,535
and failure
and disappointment.
792
00:38:06,619 --> 00:38:09,369
Her ultimate dream
was always to write books
793
00:38:09,452 --> 00:38:11,285
or for The New Yorker.
794
00:38:11,369 --> 00:38:15,577
She also really,
really wanted a child.
795
00:38:18,494 --> 00:38:21,702
Four years after we got married,
our daughter was born.
796
00:38:21,786 --> 00:38:25,035
-MICHELLE: Alice, hi.
-(ALICE COOS)
797
00:38:25,577 --> 00:38:26,577
MICHELLE: Hi.
798
00:38:26,661 --> 00:38:28,118
It was so amazing.
799
00:38:28,202 --> 00:38:32,535
-MICHELLE: Look at... (LAUGHS)
-(PATTON HUMMING)
800
00:38:34,035 --> 00:38:37,619
MICHELLE: Oh, Alice. (LAUGHS)
801
00:38:37,702 --> 00:38:41,035
PATTON: And I think Alice
was about two or three
802
00:38:41,118 --> 00:38:44,661
when Michelle was meticulously
due diligence researching
803
00:38:44,744 --> 00:38:47,118
about, you know, EAR/ONS.
804
00:38:47,202 --> 00:38:51,911
MICHELLE: In Sacramento,
the air is immediately better.
805
00:38:51,993 --> 00:38:55,494
Struck by the big, open spaces.
806
00:38:55,577 --> 00:38:58,702
A little over half a million,
or about half a million people,
807
00:38:58,786 --> 00:38:59,827
but feels--
808
00:38:59,911 --> 00:39:02,118
coming from Los Angeles,
feels so much smaller.
809
00:39:08,827 --> 00:39:10,243
WAITRESS:
How are you doing in here?
810
00:39:10,327 --> 00:39:13,452
MICHELLE: I'm good.
Um, I might have--
811
00:39:13,535 --> 00:39:15,535
Okay, this is crazy.
Can I have one more latte?
812
00:39:15,619 --> 00:39:17,410
-WAITRESS: Of course.
-(MICHELLE LAUGHS)
813
00:39:17,494 --> 00:39:18,993
-WAITRESS: Got it.
-MICHELLE: All right.
814
00:39:19,077 --> 00:39:22,243
-But this was really yummy.
-WAITRESS: Good.
815
00:39:24,243 --> 00:39:27,993
When Michelle interviewed me,
we met for breakfast
816
00:39:28,077 --> 00:39:34,077
down at the Citizen Hotel
in Downtown Sacramento.
817
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:38,410
Talking about the attack
is difficult, but Michelle,
818
00:39:38,494 --> 00:39:42,243
she was so serious
about the case.
819
00:39:42,327 --> 00:39:45,535
She was just the easiest person
to talk to.
820
00:39:45,619 --> 00:39:48,202
MICHELLE:
So, I'm from suburban Chicago.
821
00:39:48,285 --> 00:39:50,577
So all of this
is so foreign to me.
822
00:39:50,661 --> 00:39:51,744
But what I wanted--
823
00:39:51,827 --> 00:39:54,577
I'm trying to get back
into sort of the mindset.
824
00:39:54,661 --> 00:39:56,952
A lot of people will say
825
00:39:57,952 --> 00:40:03,243
that the EAR crimes--
826
00:40:03,952 --> 00:40:04,993
crime period--
827
00:40:05,077 --> 00:40:09,077
was kind of the end of innocence
for Sacramento.
828
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,327
♪ (UPBEAT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
829
00:40:16,993 --> 00:40:18,577
FIONA WILLIAMS:
We have the confluence
830
00:40:18,661 --> 00:40:21,452
of the American
and Sacramento Rivers.
831
00:40:21,535 --> 00:40:24,452
It was built up
being a commerce center,
832
00:40:24,535 --> 00:40:26,993
and it became
the state capital.
833
00:40:27,077 --> 00:40:31,619
We have both Mather Field
and McClellan Air Base.
834
00:40:31,702 --> 00:40:35,494
So military was a big aspect
of the economy
835
00:40:35,577 --> 00:40:37,577
and the people who lived here.
836
00:40:37,661 --> 00:40:40,869
Back in those days, you did
know more of your neighbors,
837
00:40:40,952 --> 00:40:43,744
people didn't lock
all their doors
838
00:40:43,827 --> 00:40:46,702
or their cars, necessarily,
all the time.
839
00:40:46,786 --> 00:40:49,410
And terrible crime
840
00:40:49,494 --> 00:40:53,619
was just not that common.
841
00:40:56,702 --> 00:40:58,327
RICHARD SHELBY:
Seventies Sacramento,
842
00:40:58,410 --> 00:41:02,118
being a cop was
like a cop anywhere else.
843
00:41:02,202 --> 00:41:04,077
It was pretty slow.
844
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,952
And then June comes along,
and you got this pervert
845
00:41:07,035 --> 00:41:08,869
later known as
the East Area Rapist.
846
00:41:10,702 --> 00:41:15,952
I responded to a home invasion,
a rape, 1976, October 5th.
847
00:41:16,035 --> 00:41:18,786
Jane Carson
over at Wood Parkway.
848
00:41:18,869 --> 00:41:21,786
At the time the East Area
rape cases started,
849
00:41:21,869 --> 00:41:23,410
I was working homicide.
850
00:41:23,494 --> 00:41:24,869
And I think
it was the fifth case
851
00:41:24,952 --> 00:41:28,869
I was called to the scene on,
which was Jane Carson.
852
00:41:28,952 --> 00:41:31,118
What's the feelings
that you're going through,
853
00:41:31,202 --> 00:41:33,661
and wondering
whether you did the right thing
854
00:41:33,744 --> 00:41:35,744
or whether you did
the wrong thing
855
00:41:35,827 --> 00:41:38,452
and could you have done
anything any differently.
856
00:41:38,535 --> 00:41:42,118
And I think you handled
the situation very well.
857
00:41:42,202 --> 00:41:44,452
JANE CARSON: Well,
I had thought of kicking him,
858
00:41:44,535 --> 00:41:46,118
but it would've been useless,
859
00:41:46,202 --> 00:41:48,077
as my hands were tied
and I was blindfolded
860
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,243
-and my child was with me.
-CAROL: Okay.
861
00:41:51,744 --> 00:41:54,160
RICHARD:
When the husband left for work,
862
00:41:54,243 --> 00:41:56,744
the rapist was in their house
and on her.
863
00:41:56,827 --> 00:41:59,661
He knew down to the minute
what was going on
864
00:41:59,744 --> 00:42:02,911
in Jane's house
and the neighborhood.
865
00:42:02,993 --> 00:42:04,744
When I left there that day,
I was convinced
866
00:42:04,827 --> 00:42:06,911
that this probably wasn't
just a routine rape.
867
00:42:06,993 --> 00:42:08,494
In fact, I know it wasn't.
868
00:42:08,577 --> 00:42:10,993
And then I started
digging in deeper.
869
00:42:11,077 --> 00:42:13,077
In the meantime, we have
a couple more rapes.
870
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:14,452
At that point,
there's no question
871
00:42:14,535 --> 00:42:18,369
we had a serial rapist.
He had a definite pattern.
872
00:42:18,452 --> 00:42:21,577
CAROL: When we realized that
we first had a series going,
873
00:42:21,661 --> 00:42:24,702
the sheriff did not want
the media to be aware of it.
874
00:42:24,786 --> 00:42:26,702
Because we didn't
have anything.
875
00:42:26,786 --> 00:42:29,702
Because of what was
happening within the rapes,
876
00:42:29,786 --> 00:42:31,661
he didn't want the word
to get out
877
00:42:31,744 --> 00:42:33,285
to make fear in the community.
878
00:42:33,369 --> 00:42:36,118
We just-- we just weren't ready
to handle anything coming in.
879
00:42:36,202 --> 00:42:38,452
You know, we didn't have
that many people working it.
880
00:42:40,118 --> 00:42:41,911
MELANIE:
"This is attack number eight.
881
00:42:41,993 --> 00:42:45,202
And this victim was accosted
outside of her house
882
00:42:45,285 --> 00:42:48,160
as she drove her car
into the driveway.
883
00:42:48,243 --> 00:42:52,369
She was taken into the backyard
of her neighbor's house,
884
00:42:52,452 --> 00:42:57,494
and there were strips of cloth
already laid out for ligatures.
885
00:42:57,577 --> 00:42:59,535
Her ankles were tied with cord.
886
00:42:59,619 --> 00:43:01,452
She was blindfolded, gagged.
887
00:43:01,535 --> 00:43:03,118
Jingling her car keys,
888
00:43:03,202 --> 00:43:05,911
the EAR said
he'd be back in five minutes.
889
00:43:05,993 --> 00:43:08,661
Car was reportedly
found in the area
890
00:43:08,744 --> 00:43:11,077
with the dog
locked in the trunk."
891
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:12,744
CAROL:
The media became aware of it.
892
00:43:12,827 --> 00:43:15,118
The sheriff said,
"Please don't print anything,
893
00:43:15,202 --> 00:43:16,786
we're gonna catch this guy."
894
00:43:16,869 --> 00:43:19,911
And then as time went on
and we didn't catch the guy,
895
00:43:19,993 --> 00:43:23,410
the media, uh, said, "Okay,
we're gonna start printing."
896
00:43:23,494 --> 00:43:27,327
That was when the whole
community was brought in.
897
00:43:27,410 --> 00:43:29,577
MELANIE: What happened
right after number eight
898
00:43:29,661 --> 00:43:31,702
on 11-3-76,
899
00:43:31,786 --> 00:43:33,744
the rape series came to light
900
00:43:33,827 --> 00:43:36,243
during this meeting
on crime prevention.
901
00:43:36,327 --> 00:43:38,786
There were 500 people
in attendance.
902
00:43:38,869 --> 00:43:40,535
You can use
a simple alarm system.
903
00:43:40,619 --> 00:43:43,744
Mount a bell device
on the outside of your home.
904
00:43:43,827 --> 00:43:46,577
String some wires
to a power source
905
00:43:46,661 --> 00:43:49,243
and then string
the other set of wires
906
00:43:49,327 --> 00:43:52,535
right to a nightstand
and have a toggle switch there.
907
00:43:52,619 --> 00:43:54,619
If you ever hear
the glass breaking,
908
00:43:54,702 --> 00:43:57,410
reach over on your nightstand
and flip the switch,
909
00:43:57,494 --> 00:44:00,118
the bell goes off
on the outside.
910
00:44:00,202 --> 00:44:01,869
MELANIE:
Other than by word of mouth,
911
00:44:01,952 --> 00:44:03,285
where people might be talking
912
00:44:03,369 --> 00:44:05,160
about a neighbor
that had been raped,
913
00:44:05,243 --> 00:44:08,952
there wasn't a lot
of information until this time.
914
00:44:09,035 --> 00:44:13,661
On 11-4-76, the first
newspaper article on the EAR
915
00:44:13,744 --> 00:44:16,535
appears in the Sacramento Bee.
916
00:44:16,619 --> 00:44:18,285
RICHARD: Warren Holloway
was a reporter.
917
00:44:18,369 --> 00:44:21,243
And I'd put a little
one-paragraph note
out to the detectives.
918
00:44:21,327 --> 00:44:23,869
"Got a rape series going
in the East Area."
919
00:44:23,993 --> 00:44:25,160
And he walked out, he saw that.
920
00:44:25,243 --> 00:44:27,661
The next day on the newspaper,
"East Area Rapist."
921
00:44:27,744 --> 00:44:29,827
It just got picked up
and there it was,
922
00:44:29,911 --> 00:44:30,993
"East Area Rapist."
923
00:44:31,077 --> 00:44:33,327
MELANIE: Three weeks
after attack number eight,
924
00:44:33,410 --> 00:44:34,535
where it was announced,
925
00:44:34,619 --> 00:44:37,118
there was a town hall meeting
in Rancho Cordova.
926
00:44:37,202 --> 00:44:41,619
Of the 35 that attended,
only one of those was a male.
927
00:44:43,077 --> 00:44:44,577
Following two weeks later,
928
00:44:44,661 --> 00:44:46,827
"Publicity May Have
Curtailed Rapist"
929
00:44:46,911 --> 00:44:49,661
is written
in the Sacramento Bee.
930
00:44:49,744 --> 00:44:52,243
Then he has his tenth attack.
931
00:44:54,202 --> 00:44:56,118
LARRY: A lot of people
don't realize this,
932
00:44:56,202 --> 00:44:59,869
but six rapes in Sacramento,
933
00:44:59,952 --> 00:45:01,369
out of the first ten,
934
00:45:02,786 --> 00:45:04,786
six of them were teenagers.
935
00:45:04,869 --> 00:45:07,619
And two of them
were 15 years old.
936
00:45:08,911 --> 00:45:10,786
♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PAYING) ♪
937
00:45:10,869 --> 00:45:12,661
(CAR DOOR OPENING)
938
00:45:22,285 --> 00:45:26,535
KRIS PEDRETTI: This one here
is probably, um, Christmas Day,
939
00:45:26,619 --> 00:45:29,118
which, so it'd be a week
after it happened.
940
00:45:37,118 --> 00:45:39,035
It was December 18th.
941
00:45:39,118 --> 00:45:42,744
There was a high school dance,
and I had a cold.
942
00:45:42,827 --> 00:45:46,702
So at the last minute,
I decided to stay at home.
943
00:45:46,786 --> 00:45:49,661
Uh, my parents were going
to a Christmas party
944
00:45:49,744 --> 00:45:51,535
and my sister was at work.
945
00:45:52,702 --> 00:45:55,577
My parents left
probably around 6:30-ish.
946
00:45:55,661 --> 00:45:58,369
And I think
I put a pizza in the oven,
947
00:45:58,452 --> 00:46:00,535
I remember
having my slippers on,
948
00:46:00,619 --> 00:46:02,827
and I decided
to go play the piano.
949
00:46:10,118 --> 00:46:15,160
I heard a noise,
but at 15 years old,
950
00:46:15,243 --> 00:46:16,661
you always hear noises
in your house
951
00:46:16,744 --> 00:46:17,993
when your parents aren't home.
952
00:46:18,077 --> 00:46:20,202
So I didn't think much of it.
953
00:46:20,285 --> 00:46:21,702
I stopped.
954
00:46:21,786 --> 00:46:24,827
I do remember stopping
and listening and...
955
00:46:27,827 --> 00:46:30,911
uh, didn't hear anything else,
so I continued to play.
956
00:46:34,827 --> 00:46:37,535
It wasn't very much longer,
maybe a couple minutes,
957
00:46:37,619 --> 00:46:39,369
that I felt...
958
00:46:41,285 --> 00:46:45,118
um, a presence next to me.
959
00:46:45,202 --> 00:46:47,911
And I looked up and, um,
960
00:46:48,869 --> 00:46:50,869
then I felt a knife
at my throat.
961
00:46:58,035 --> 00:47:00,619
And then he told me in my ear,
you know,
962
00:47:00,702 --> 00:47:02,952
"If you scream or move,
963
00:47:03,035 --> 00:47:05,452
I will put this knife
through your throat
964
00:47:05,535 --> 00:47:07,243
and I'll be gone in the dark."
965
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,702
He moved me down the hallway,
through the garage,
966
00:47:15,786 --> 00:47:18,369
and into the backyard,
um...
967
00:47:21,702 --> 00:47:24,869
where I was left out
in the, uh...
968
00:47:25,744 --> 00:47:27,077
on a picnic bench
969
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,202
while he went back
into the house.
970
00:47:29,285 --> 00:47:32,410
And he told me he'd be
watching me every 10 seconds.
971
00:47:37,202 --> 00:47:40,035
He, uh, came back outside
972
00:47:40,118 --> 00:47:42,744
and that is where
he cut my clothes off.
973
00:47:48,077 --> 00:47:51,619
He would bring me inside
and he would rape me,
974
00:47:51,702 --> 00:47:53,786
take me back outside,
975
00:47:53,869 --> 00:47:57,410
inside, rape me again,
back outside.
976
00:47:57,494 --> 00:47:58,911
And then another time.
977
00:48:01,285 --> 00:48:02,327
Yeah. (CHUCKLES)
978
00:48:02,410 --> 00:48:07,661
So that was my first,
um, memory of that.
979
00:48:07,744 --> 00:48:08,827
Um...
980
00:48:08,911 --> 00:48:12,786
(KETTLE WHISTLING)
981
00:48:18,118 --> 00:48:20,952
I think during
that time though, I was--
982
00:48:21,035 --> 00:48:23,702
there wasn't a lot of feeling
going on.
983
00:48:23,786 --> 00:48:25,702
I was pretty numb.
984
00:48:25,786 --> 00:48:28,911
And, uh--
but what I do remember
985
00:48:28,993 --> 00:48:34,535
is he had moved the couch
very close to our fireplace.
986
00:48:34,619 --> 00:48:38,786
But because I was blindfolded
and couldn't see,
987
00:48:38,869 --> 00:48:43,202
I thought he had caught
our couch on fire.
988
00:48:44,410 --> 00:48:47,327
And I think
that was probably, uh...
989
00:48:48,452 --> 00:48:50,410
that was--
that was really scary.
990
00:48:50,494 --> 00:48:53,744
Because I thought
I was gonna die.
991
00:48:53,827 --> 00:48:56,993
Um... and then he was gone.
992
00:48:57,911 --> 00:49:00,494
♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
993
00:49:03,744 --> 00:49:05,577
KRIS:
I stopped playing the piano
994
00:49:05,661 --> 00:49:07,827
shortly after the attack.
995
00:49:09,494 --> 00:49:12,577
It was difficult for me to play
996
00:49:12,661 --> 00:49:16,535
because I always
felt like there was...
997
00:49:17,118 --> 00:49:18,535
somebody behind me.
998
00:49:21,744 --> 00:49:26,535
It was just a few hours,
but it changed everything.
999
00:49:28,202 --> 00:49:30,285
REPORTER: It had been a month
since he last struck,
1000
00:49:30,369 --> 00:49:31,911
but he has struck again.
1001
00:49:31,993 --> 00:49:34,327
This time,
it was a 15-year-old girl.
1002
00:49:34,410 --> 00:49:37,285
Again, it was in a northeast
Sacramento neighborhood.
1003
00:49:37,369 --> 00:49:39,285
Again, he knew she was alone,
1004
00:49:39,369 --> 00:49:41,993
forced his way in using a knife
to threaten her,
1005
00:49:42,077 --> 00:49:44,285
and raped her repeatedly
for several hours,
1006
00:49:44,369 --> 00:49:47,035
and forced her to perform
perverted sex acts.
1007
00:49:47,118 --> 00:49:49,452
The latest victim
was younger than the others
1008
00:49:49,535 --> 00:49:51,452
and the attack took place
early in the evening,
1009
00:49:51,535 --> 00:49:54,744
where the others took place
between 11:00 at night and dawn.
1010
00:49:54,827 --> 00:49:57,077
But it definitely
was the same rapist
1011
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,744
who has eluded authorities
for over a year.
1012
00:50:04,661 --> 00:50:06,869
NANCY: When Michelle and I
talked about this story,
1013
00:50:06,952 --> 00:50:08,993
it was one of those things
that you just kind of
1014
00:50:09,077 --> 00:50:10,952
keep thinking about
and keep thinking about.
1015
00:50:11,035 --> 00:50:14,118
Michelle had already done an
incredible amount of research.
1016
00:50:14,202 --> 00:50:17,327
And I remember thinking, "Okay.
We've got a few hurdles.
1017
00:50:17,410 --> 00:50:20,702
Um, I have to pitch this
to my editor-in-chief."
1018
00:50:20,786 --> 00:50:23,160
Everyone loves a story
about a killer. (CHUCKLES)
1019
00:50:23,243 --> 00:50:24,619
But in order
to get her interested,
1020
00:50:24,702 --> 00:50:28,327
I had to convince her
that this story was relevant now
1021
00:50:28,410 --> 00:50:29,327
and that it was, like,
1022
00:50:29,410 --> 00:50:32,160
a Los Angeles
and a California story.
1023
00:50:32,243 --> 00:50:34,702
Michelle was an incredible
intrepid reporter.
1024
00:50:34,786 --> 00:50:37,160
As we were sort of trying
to put the pitch together,
1025
00:50:37,243 --> 00:50:39,911
she would go on her own
and just research things.
1026
00:50:39,993 --> 00:50:41,369
You could be
completely confident
1027
00:50:41,452 --> 00:50:43,410
that she was going
to come back with something,
1028
00:50:43,494 --> 00:50:44,410
something good.
1029
00:50:44,494 --> 00:50:45,744
And not just get
the facts right,
1030
00:50:45,827 --> 00:50:48,285
but also be able to have
that relationship
1031
00:50:48,369 --> 00:50:50,369
with that person
that she would need.
1032
00:50:50,452 --> 00:50:52,285
That no one else could get to.
1033
00:50:56,702 --> 00:50:59,952
MICHELLE: I pitched
LA Magazine the EAR story.
1034
00:51:00,035 --> 00:51:02,202
And they're interested
in doing it, possibly,
1035
00:51:02,285 --> 00:51:04,035
which would be amazing.
I mean, that would be like
1036
00:51:04,118 --> 00:51:06,577
the kind of publicity
that just-- you can't buy.
1037
00:51:06,661 --> 00:51:08,786
You know?
I mean, I just think this story
1038
00:51:08,869 --> 00:51:10,577
-is so important to be told.
-MELANIE: It is.
1039
00:51:10,661 --> 00:51:12,452
MICHELLE: I mean, it's--
it gets me that this person--
1040
00:51:12,535 --> 00:51:15,035
-I just feel like he's smirking
somewhere, going like...
-MELANIE: Yeah.
1041
00:51:15,118 --> 00:51:17,494
-MICHELLE: ..."I don't have to
pay for this ever."
-Fuck him.
1042
00:51:17,577 --> 00:51:22,452
If there's any way I could
look at whatever you have,
1043
00:51:22,535 --> 00:51:25,577
and I won't copy anything, I
just look at it and take notes
1044
00:51:25,661 --> 00:51:27,243
and then give it
back to you tomorrow?
1045
00:51:27,327 --> 00:51:30,452
At least then I can say
I saw case files.
1046
00:51:30,535 --> 00:51:32,243
MELANIE: Can I...
1047
00:51:32,327 --> 00:51:35,118
let you, while you're here,
look at some stuff?
1048
00:51:36,494 --> 00:51:37,744
MICHELLE: Um...
1049
00:51:37,827 --> 00:51:40,702
MELANIE: Because
I've sworn confidentiality,
1050
00:51:40,786 --> 00:51:42,661
that I would never, uh,
1051
00:51:43,661 --> 00:51:45,077
release it
out of my possession.
1052
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:46,702
MICHELLE:
Right. Yeah. I mean,
1053
00:51:46,786 --> 00:51:48,494
so what you're thinking
is that I could sit there...
1054
00:51:48,577 --> 00:51:50,410
-MELANIE: You could sit there
and go through them.
-Okay.
1055
00:51:50,494 --> 00:51:52,369
-MELANIE: I just can't
let them leave my home.
1056
00:51:52,452 --> 00:51:55,744
MICHELLE: Right. How many pages
are there all together, like?
1057
00:51:55,827 --> 00:51:57,494
MELANIE:
Probably four or five thousand.
1058
00:51:57,577 --> 00:51:59,077
-MICHELLE: Oh, my God.
-MELANIE: Yeah, it's big.
1059
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:00,993
-MICHELLE: Yeah.
-MELANIE: It's all the rapes.
1060
00:52:01,077 --> 00:52:03,369
-MICHELLE: Right.
-It's every-- all 50 rapes.
1061
00:52:03,452 --> 00:52:04,535
MICHELLE: Wow.
1062
00:52:11,285 --> 00:52:12,535
MICHELLE: Wow.
1063
00:52:16,577 --> 00:52:18,702
MELANIE:
1064
00:52:18,786 --> 00:52:20,369
MICHELLE:
These underground trades,
1065
00:52:20,452 --> 00:52:21,869
the result of furtive alliances
1066
00:52:21,952 --> 00:52:25,452
forged from a shared obsession
with a faceless serial killer,
1067
00:52:25,535 --> 00:52:26,993
were common.
1068
00:52:27,077 --> 00:52:29,619
Online sleuths,
retired detectives,
1069
00:52:29,702 --> 00:52:32,952
and active detectives,
everyone participated.
1070
00:52:33,035 --> 00:52:34,243
(CAR BEEPS)
1071
00:52:36,911 --> 00:52:39,160
(CELL PHONE PINGS)
1072
00:52:45,577 --> 00:52:50,243
♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PAYING) ♪
1073
00:52:50,327 --> 00:52:52,160
MICHELLE:
The grandiose seeker in me
1074
00:52:52,243 --> 00:52:55,160
couldn't wait to insert
the flash drive into my laptop
1075
00:52:55,243 --> 00:52:56,410
back at my hotel.
1076
00:52:58,202 --> 00:52:59,327
At every stoplight,
1077
00:52:59,410 --> 00:53:01,869
I touched the top pocket
in my backpack
1078
00:53:01,952 --> 00:53:05,077
to make sure the tiny rectangle
was still there.
1079
00:53:09,494 --> 00:53:12,285
Once in my room,
I immediately changed
1080
00:53:12,369 --> 00:53:14,869
into the crisp
white hotel bathrobe.
1081
00:53:14,952 --> 00:53:17,786
I lowered the shades
and turned off my phone.
1082
00:53:19,410 --> 00:53:22,369
I dumped a bag of minibar
gummy bears into a glass
1083
00:53:22,452 --> 00:53:23,952
and set it
next to me on the bed,
1084
00:53:24,035 --> 00:53:27,327
where I sat cross-legged
in front of my laptop.
1085
00:53:29,827 --> 00:53:32,952
Ahead of me
was a rare 24-hour stretch
1086
00:53:33,035 --> 00:53:36,410
without interference
or distraction.
1087
00:53:36,494 --> 00:53:40,661
No tiny hands slicked with
paint asking to be washed.
1088
00:53:40,744 --> 00:53:44,952
No preoccupied hungry husband
to inquire about dinner.
1089
00:53:46,202 --> 00:53:51,202
I inserted the flash drive,
my mind in mail sorter mode,
1090
00:53:51,285 --> 00:53:54,535
my index finger
on the down arrow key.
1091
00:53:54,619 --> 00:53:58,243
I began to not so much read
as devour.
1092
00:54:02,535 --> 00:54:05,285
Drainage ditches
and cement-lined canals
1093
00:54:05,369 --> 00:54:07,993
come up frequently
in the police reports.
1094
00:54:10,285 --> 00:54:11,869
It's clear from the start,
1095
00:54:11,952 --> 00:54:15,202
from footprints, evidence,
suspicious sightings,
1096
00:54:15,285 --> 00:54:18,243
and even bringing
one victim down there,
1097
00:54:18,327 --> 00:54:21,369
that the East Area Rapist
traveled this way,
1098
00:54:21,452 --> 00:54:24,619
like a subterranean creature.
1099
00:54:24,702 --> 00:54:29,202
He was doing reconnaissance.
He was studying people.
1100
00:54:29,993 --> 00:54:31,952
Learning when they were home.
1101
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:35,035
That means that women exist
1102
00:54:35,118 --> 00:54:38,243
who, because of change
of schedule or luck,
1103
00:54:38,327 --> 00:54:40,494
were never victims.
1104
00:54:40,577 --> 00:54:43,410
But they felt
something terrifying
1105
00:54:43,494 --> 00:54:44,869
brush against them.
1106
00:54:49,993 --> 00:54:53,702
Hours vanished.
The gummy bears were gone.
1107
00:54:55,202 --> 00:54:58,035
I was jittery from sugar,
hunger,
1108
00:54:58,118 --> 00:55:00,452
and spending too much time
alone in the dark
1109
00:55:00,535 --> 00:55:03,535
absorbing a 50-chapter
horror story.
1110
00:55:09,369 --> 00:55:12,118
Part of the thrill of the game
for him, I believe,
1111
00:55:12,202 --> 00:55:14,118
was a kind of
connect-the-dots puzzle
1112
00:55:14,202 --> 00:55:16,577
he played with people.
1113
00:55:16,661 --> 00:55:19,243
You may not think
you have something in common
1114
00:55:19,327 --> 00:55:20,869
with your neighbor,
1115
00:55:21,535 --> 00:55:22,702
but you do.
1116
00:55:24,035 --> 00:55:25,035
Me.
1117
00:55:28,035 --> 00:55:30,744
♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
83991
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