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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:31,292 --> 00:00:33,859 - I'm nobody. 2 00:00:33,902 --> 00:00:37,079 I'm a tramp, a bum, a hobo. 3 00:00:37,124 --> 00:00:39,865 I'm a boxcar and a jug of wine. 4 00:00:42,216 --> 00:00:45,262 You think that my mind is like your mind, but it isn't. 5 00:00:46,741 --> 00:00:48,612 There's no need to feel guilty. 6 00:00:48,656 --> 00:00:51,399 I haven't done anything I'm ashamed of. 7 00:00:51,442 --> 00:00:53,356 Because we're outlaws. 8 00:00:55,750 --> 00:00:58,753 Yeah, when you're in war, you're in war, mister. 9 00:01:00,668 --> 00:01:04,890 Believe me, if I started murdering people, 10 00:01:04,933 --> 00:01:06,762 there'd be none of you left. 11 00:01:10,243 --> 00:01:12,114 - Friday night in Los Angeles, 12 00:01:12,159 --> 00:01:15,204 a movie actress and four of her friends were murdered. 13 00:01:15,248 --> 00:01:16,989 The circumstances were lurid. 14 00:01:17,033 --> 00:01:19,382 - In a scene described by one investigator 15 00:01:19,426 --> 00:01:21,057 as reminiscent of a weird religious rite... 16 00:01:21,081 --> 00:01:23,647 - This was at the home of movie director Roman Polanski. 17 00:01:23,692 --> 00:01:25,388 It was his wife... - Eight months pregnant. 18 00:01:25,432 --> 00:01:26,825 - who was one of the victims. 19 00:01:26,868 --> 00:01:28,019 - Bodies were scattered inside, 20 00:01:28,043 --> 00:01:29,263 on the lawn and the driveway. 21 00:01:29,305 --> 00:01:31,438 - The others were a male hairdresser, 22 00:01:31,481 --> 00:01:34,223 the heiress to a coffee fortune, a writer, 23 00:01:34,268 --> 00:01:35,746 and a boy just out of high school. 24 00:01:35,790 --> 00:01:37,835 - A scene more tragic than any horror movie. 25 00:01:37,879 --> 00:01:39,751 - Stunned the city and shocked the world. 26 00:01:39,795 --> 00:01:41,926 - In all my years I have never seen anything 27 00:01:41,971 --> 00:01:43,103 like this before. 28 00:01:46,454 --> 00:01:48,673 - You all know it? - No. 29 00:01:48,716 --> 00:01:51,849 - At 8:30 this morning, Winifred Chapman, 30 00:01:51,894 --> 00:01:56,768 an employee, came to work at 10050 Cielo 31 00:01:56,811 --> 00:01:59,597 and found several bodies in the house, 32 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,121 and immediately the police were notified. 33 00:02:03,078 --> 00:02:05,820 The tentative identification of the persons are as follows. 34 00:02:06,691 --> 00:02:08,824 Sharon Polanski, 35 00:02:08,866 --> 00:02:11,260 Jay Sebring, 36 00:02:11,305 --> 00:02:14,176 Wojciech Frykowski, 37 00:02:14,221 --> 00:02:17,006 Abigail Folger, 38 00:02:17,049 --> 00:02:19,486 and another man who is unknown. 39 00:02:19,530 --> 00:02:21,793 - Where were the bodies found? All in one room? 40 00:02:21,836 --> 00:02:25,145 - No, two of the bodies were found inside the house, 41 00:02:25,187 --> 00:02:28,451 one in a vehicle, and two on the front lawn. 42 00:02:28,496 --> 00:02:30,627 - We understand she was pregnant, is that correct? 43 00:02:30,671 --> 00:02:33,501 - Yes, she is pregnant, but I'm not going to discuss how... 44 00:02:33,543 --> 00:02:36,067 - Were any of the bodies badly mutilated? 45 00:02:36,111 --> 00:02:37,983 - This I'd rather not discuss. 46 00:02:38,026 --> 00:02:39,201 - Was there anything scrawled 47 00:02:39,246 --> 00:02:41,509 on the front door of that house in blood? 48 00:02:41,551 --> 00:02:43,814 - I can't answer that question. 49 00:02:46,905 --> 00:02:49,211 - Do you have any kind of an idea 50 00:02:49,256 --> 00:02:50,822 of who might have done it? 51 00:02:50,865 --> 00:02:53,042 Do you have any kind of APBs out, any suspects at all? 52 00:02:53,085 --> 00:02:55,826 - No, the only person we have at this time is Mr. Garretson, 53 00:02:55,871 --> 00:02:58,395 whom we are questioning, because he was on the premises 54 00:02:58,438 --> 00:03:00,004 this morning when the maid arrived. 55 00:03:00,049 --> 00:03:02,026 - Why is this case more complicated than other cases 56 00:03:02,050 --> 00:03:03,486 that you can't comment? 57 00:03:03,531 --> 00:03:05,489 What's the difference in this case? 58 00:03:05,532 --> 00:03:07,424 - Well, how many cases and how many times do you have 59 00:03:07,448 --> 00:03:10,014 five persons that are found murdered at the same time? 60 00:03:13,062 --> 00:03:15,237 - Living is what scares me. 61 00:03:15,282 --> 00:03:18,067 Dying is easy. 62 00:03:18,763 --> 00:03:21,026 - And a short time later, not far away, 63 00:03:21,069 --> 00:03:23,420 a middle-aged couple was found murdered 64 00:03:23,463 --> 00:03:25,856 in similar circumstances. 65 00:03:25,901 --> 00:03:28,903 - The latest murders were discovered during the night. 66 00:03:28,947 --> 00:03:33,038 The bodies of a man and his wife found in their home. 67 00:03:33,081 --> 00:03:35,780 Leno LaBianca, a supermarket owner, 68 00:03:35,824 --> 00:03:38,348 and his wife had both been stabbed to death, 69 00:03:38,391 --> 00:03:40,872 repeated stab wounds. 70 00:03:40,915 --> 00:03:44,746 On his body, the word "war" had been carved in the chest. 71 00:03:44,788 --> 00:03:48,228 Then, with blood, the killer had scrawled the words 72 00:03:48,271 --> 00:03:50,360 "death to pigs." 73 00:03:55,451 --> 00:03:58,367 - Oh my God, it's happened again. 74 00:03:58,412 --> 00:04:02,894 - The slaughter of innocent people. 75 00:04:02,937 --> 00:04:07,377 - That set off a panic state in Los Angeles. 76 00:04:07,420 --> 00:04:08,986 - People locked their doors at night. 77 00:04:09,031 --> 00:04:11,251 People started arming themselves. 78 00:05:16,490 --> 00:05:18,795 - We thought she was a British star. 79 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,363 Come to find out, she's an American all the time. 80 00:05:21,408 --> 00:05:24,672 A beautiful young lady you're gonna be hearing a lot from. 81 00:05:24,714 --> 00:05:26,803 She's in London filming "The Vampire Killers," 82 00:05:26,848 --> 00:05:29,677 a new film by director Roman Polanski. 83 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,766 Sharon Tate is the young lady's name. 84 00:05:33,375 --> 00:05:36,639 - I was born in Dallas, Texas. 85 00:05:36,683 --> 00:05:38,641 - And lived all of your life in America? 86 00:05:38,685 --> 00:05:41,384 - Not really, I lived in Italy for four years. 87 00:05:41,427 --> 00:05:43,691 - Why was that? - My dad's in the Army. 88 00:05:44,125 --> 00:05:46,257 - An Army brat made good, huh? 89 00:05:46,302 --> 00:05:48,216 - Yeah, I try. - Oh, that's great. 90 00:05:48,259 --> 00:05:49,913 And now you have a monster movie. 91 00:05:49,957 --> 00:05:52,351 - And now... not really. - What's it called? 92 00:05:52,394 --> 00:05:56,268 - It's called "The Vampire Killers," Roman Polanski. 93 00:05:56,312 --> 00:05:57,879 - Sharon? 94 00:05:57,922 --> 00:05:59,533 Sharon? 95 00:06:00,620 --> 00:06:03,579 Looking at him, not at me, okay? 96 00:06:03,624 --> 00:06:05,495 - Looking at the husband? - Yeah. 97 00:06:05,538 --> 00:06:07,802 - You know, uh... - Yeah. 98 00:06:11,065 --> 00:06:13,547 - Quiet in the back. - Turnover. 99 00:06:16,158 --> 00:06:17,855 - During that period when I was in London, 100 00:06:17,899 --> 00:06:20,684 I remember an instant when I was thinking, 101 00:06:20,728 --> 00:06:23,947 "I'm happy now and I don't want anything else." 102 00:06:26,646 --> 00:06:29,300 Two top film folk got spliced, 103 00:06:29,345 --> 00:06:31,694 and the present public turned out in force. 104 00:06:31,738 --> 00:06:34,524 He is Polish-born director Roman Polanski. 105 00:06:34,567 --> 00:06:36,307 She's American actress Sharon Tate. 106 00:06:36,351 --> 00:06:38,875 And the huge public interest their wedding created 107 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:40,877 shows that the magic of motion pictures 108 00:06:40,922 --> 00:06:42,966 is as strong today as ever. 109 00:06:43,011 --> 00:06:45,534 After the ceremony at Chelsea Registry Office, 110 00:06:45,579 --> 00:06:47,928 the mini-gowned bride and the mod-geared mate 111 00:06:47,971 --> 00:06:51,497 made for the Playboy Club and a star-studded reception. 112 00:06:54,456 --> 00:06:56,067 Bunnies lavished champagne 113 00:06:56,110 --> 00:06:58,112 on some of the top names in show business. 114 00:06:59,941 --> 00:07:01,725 Michael Caine keeping company 115 00:07:01,769 --> 00:07:04,161 with very dishy Candice Bergen. 116 00:07:04,206 --> 00:07:05,728 The bride will keep working. 117 00:07:05,773 --> 00:07:08,297 Hubby says he wants a hippie, not a housewife. 118 00:07:08,339 --> 00:07:10,733 That was the only serious note of the day. 119 00:07:10,778 --> 00:07:14,129 Tony Newley got the star set really shaking. 120 00:07:24,312 --> 00:07:27,620 - California. Mean temperature 73 degrees. 121 00:07:27,663 --> 00:07:30,754 The sun that never quits. 122 00:07:30,798 --> 00:07:32,755 It acts on the unburned hydrocarbons 123 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:36,367 and oxides of nitrogen from auto exhaust. 124 00:07:36,411 --> 00:07:39,110 Los Angeles County, with four million cars 125 00:07:39,153 --> 00:07:43,201 and the odd bike suffers most because it's in a basin. 126 00:07:44,245 --> 00:07:45,507 The breezes are balmy. 127 00:07:45,552 --> 00:07:47,988 There's nothing to stir up that brown cloud 128 00:07:48,031 --> 00:07:49,817 that can make your eyes tear. 129 00:07:50,425 --> 00:07:53,863 85% of it attributed to cars. 130 00:07:53,908 --> 00:07:57,867 The more general effect, our whole climate is warming up 131 00:07:57,911 --> 00:08:00,523 because there's so much carbon dioxide in the air. 132 00:08:00,567 --> 00:08:03,786 It's so heavy that it prevents the radiation of heat 133 00:08:03,831 --> 00:08:05,658 from the Earth's surface. 134 00:08:09,009 --> 00:08:11,838 Ahh, breathe in, city folk. 135 00:09:09,722 --> 00:09:13,203 - This is where they lived, among the stables, barns, 136 00:09:13,248 --> 00:09:15,379 and phony buildings of an old, 137 00:09:15,423 --> 00:09:18,774 run-down movie location 20 miles from Los Angeles. 138 00:09:18,818 --> 00:09:21,038 They called themselves "The Family." 139 00:09:28,350 --> 00:09:31,134 - Back and forth, lugging their sleeping bags. 140 00:09:31,178 --> 00:09:34,138 They just lived anywhere they felt like it. 141 00:09:34,182 --> 00:09:35,312 With they're family. 142 00:09:35,356 --> 00:09:37,446 - They were constantly taking dope, 143 00:09:37,489 --> 00:09:38,769 and they just sit around all day 144 00:09:38,794 --> 00:09:41,318 and sleep and got loaded. 145 00:09:41,363 --> 00:09:44,061 - Police said they were a pseudo-religious cult. 146 00:09:44,105 --> 00:09:46,759 The family's leader, Charles Manson... 147 00:09:46,802 --> 00:09:49,413 - He's a good person. A very good person. 148 00:09:49,457 --> 00:09:50,937 He's got a lot of peace. 149 00:09:50,980 --> 00:09:54,158 - He was introduced to us as their idol and leader, 150 00:09:54,201 --> 00:09:57,422 and he was always interested in music. 151 00:09:57,466 --> 00:10:00,600 And everywhere he went, some of the girls kinda followed him 152 00:10:00,643 --> 00:10:03,254 and laughed and talk and sang. 153 00:10:03,298 --> 00:10:05,101 - Well, when I first met him, the man talked to me, 154 00:10:05,125 --> 00:10:06,953 and he says, "Why don't you come up?" 155 00:10:06,996 --> 00:10:10,260 "and the rules are that, you know, there is no rules." 156 00:10:10,304 --> 00:10:12,480 "You just look at it, and just be beautiful with it, 157 00:10:12,524 --> 00:10:14,177 and it's just beautiful to you." 158 00:10:14,221 --> 00:10:16,267 - Yeah. - You know, and I love him. 159 00:10:16,311 --> 00:10:20,357 - His so-called power, which is-it only lies in his happiness. 160 00:10:20,402 --> 00:10:23,491 That's what attracts people is he's completely happy. 161 00:10:23,534 --> 00:10:25,101 - And warm. - Gentle. 162 00:10:25,145 --> 00:10:28,278 He dances, he sings, he looks beautiful, 163 00:10:28,322 --> 00:10:31,282 he looks happy, and this draws a lot of people, 164 00:10:31,326 --> 00:10:33,676 just like people are drawn to little babies. 165 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:35,634 - That's all there is, that's all there is, 166 00:10:35,677 --> 00:10:36,940 is brothers and sisters, 167 00:10:36,984 --> 00:10:40,856 and Charles Manson is your brother. 168 00:10:40,900 --> 00:10:42,553 - Morning. - Why? 169 00:10:42,597 --> 00:10:44,207 - Sun's shining this morning. - It is. 170 00:10:44,251 --> 00:10:46,123 - Yeah. - Well, what are your plans? 171 00:10:46,167 --> 00:10:48,822 - I have none. 172 00:10:48,865 --> 00:10:49,952 Going to the desert. 173 00:10:49,996 --> 00:10:52,652 - Desert? - Yeah. 174 00:10:55,350 --> 00:10:59,048 - So you were 14, 15, 16 during that time? 175 00:10:59,092 --> 00:11:01,312 - I met him when I was 14. 176 00:11:01,355 --> 00:11:04,663 He was kind of impish and playful, you know? 177 00:11:04,706 --> 00:11:05,881 He could be funny. 178 00:11:10,538 --> 00:11:13,193 He was in the circle playing music, 179 00:11:13,236 --> 00:11:15,500 and he got up and offered me his root beer, 180 00:11:15,543 --> 00:11:17,720 and gave me a big hug, 181 00:11:17,764 --> 00:11:19,895 and "Come, join us in the circle." 182 00:11:19,940 --> 00:11:22,376 We, you know, "We've been waiting for you." 183 00:11:23,725 --> 00:11:26,554 It just all ended up seeming, 184 00:11:26,597 --> 00:11:29,514 you know, like providence or something. 185 00:11:34,649 --> 00:11:40,177 Spahn Ranch had been a movie set for lots of westerns. 186 00:11:40,221 --> 00:11:43,441 And when we first saw it, that's what it was. 187 00:11:43,485 --> 00:11:47,576 It was kind of a run-down movie set. 188 00:11:47,619 --> 00:11:52,537 The corral was way to the left and there was a big barn. 189 00:11:52,581 --> 00:11:56,236 There was the jail and there was a big saloon. 190 00:11:57,933 --> 00:12:02,417 But there were rooms behind them. 191 00:12:02,460 --> 00:12:05,332 And then there was the kitchen. 192 00:12:07,813 --> 00:12:11,774 There was a band of, like, we called them outlaw shacks. 193 00:12:13,601 --> 00:12:17,736 And then all the way to the right was George's house. 194 00:12:21,087 --> 00:12:25,091 He was blind, and it definitely showed. 195 00:12:27,006 --> 00:12:31,097 You know, the house was in as bad disrepair as, 196 00:12:31,140 --> 00:12:32,620 you know, the facade. 197 00:12:32,663 --> 00:12:35,754 It needed paint, inside and out. 198 00:12:40,976 --> 00:12:42,761 And we cleaned. 199 00:12:42,804 --> 00:12:47,114 You know, there was always tons of sweeping to do. 200 00:12:47,157 --> 00:12:50,812 We mucked out the stalls. 201 00:12:50,856 --> 00:12:52,815 And we helped out in the corral. 202 00:12:52,859 --> 00:12:55,470 We helped rent the horses. 203 00:12:55,513 --> 00:12:58,821 There were trails all over for riding horses into the hills 204 00:12:58,865 --> 00:13:00,866 where all the fabulous rocks are. 205 00:13:04,653 --> 00:13:05,958 We got high. 206 00:13:06,001 --> 00:13:09,135 Obviously, we got high. 207 00:13:12,355 --> 00:13:15,446 You know, I could just remember dancing together 208 00:13:15,490 --> 00:13:18,536 and just, you know, maybe cooking. 209 00:13:21,322 --> 00:13:23,323 Helms Bakery would come by 210 00:13:23,366 --> 00:13:27,153 and give us their day-old stuff at the ranch. 211 00:13:29,721 --> 00:13:32,855 And Charlie introduced us to dumpster diving 212 00:13:32,899 --> 00:13:34,290 behind the grocery stores. 213 00:13:34,335 --> 00:13:36,206 We had our favorite ones, 214 00:13:36,250 --> 00:13:39,340 because they had better food that they threw out. 215 00:13:43,344 --> 00:13:45,061 You know, in the beginning, it was different. 216 00:13:45,085 --> 00:13:47,826 I mean, there was just like six of us girls. 217 00:13:50,090 --> 00:13:52,308 Mary was pretty reserved, actually. 218 00:13:52,352 --> 00:13:55,138 You know, she was very quiet. 219 00:13:55,182 --> 00:13:59,229 Mary really was like the matriarch of the Family. 220 00:13:59,273 --> 00:14:03,754 I think Mary probably a little bit resented, 221 00:14:03,798 --> 00:14:06,846 you know, like all of us did, sharing Charlie. 222 00:14:08,716 --> 00:14:11,676 Patty Krenwinkel was just like Mother Earth, 223 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:15,985 I mean, she was just one of the sweetest, humblest, 224 00:14:16,028 --> 00:14:19,379 most nurturing girls in the Family. 225 00:14:23,384 --> 00:14:27,169 Leslie, she was just like a giggly high schooler. 226 00:14:27,213 --> 00:14:29,912 I viewed her as a little hottie, 227 00:14:29,956 --> 00:14:32,393 and I hadn't been to high school. 228 00:14:33,001 --> 00:14:35,177 She'd been like a homecoming queen, 229 00:14:35,221 --> 00:14:37,441 and she really came off like that. 230 00:14:41,270 --> 00:14:44,753 Sandy was very smart, but she was very needy. 231 00:14:45,144 --> 00:14:48,451 You got that sense that she was entitled. 232 00:14:49,975 --> 00:14:53,196 She has remained one of Charlie's 233 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,633 most ardent followers. 234 00:14:58,245 --> 00:15:01,552 Susan Atkins was definitely more worldly. 235 00:15:01,596 --> 00:15:05,033 She'd been a stripper, maybe she'd even been a sex worker. 236 00:15:05,077 --> 00:15:06,905 You know, she'd been around the block. 237 00:15:09,647 --> 00:15:13,389 Gypsy came to the Family at Spahn Ranch. 238 00:15:13,433 --> 00:15:15,914 Gypsy liked that lifestyle. 239 00:15:18,004 --> 00:15:21,094 She was playful. She played the violin. 240 00:15:22,442 --> 00:15:24,619 She was definitely a true hippie. 241 00:15:27,447 --> 00:15:31,408 I was closest to, really, Lynette. 242 00:15:31,451 --> 00:15:34,629 Lynette was kind of looking out after George. 243 00:15:36,804 --> 00:15:43,158 Lynette was really the closest confidante to Charlie. 244 00:15:44,378 --> 00:15:47,947 He confided more in her than anybody. 245 00:15:50,297 --> 00:15:53,255 And I think that Charlie played a different role 246 00:15:53,299 --> 00:15:55,128 for each one of us. 247 00:15:56,650 --> 00:15:59,480 I was falling under Charlie's spell. 248 00:16:02,482 --> 00:16:07,269 - We were in a group marriage with all the lines blurred. 249 00:16:07,313 --> 00:16:09,010 We were brothers, sisters, 250 00:16:09,054 --> 00:16:13,320 mothers, fathers, lovers, everything to each other. 251 00:16:15,669 --> 00:16:17,453 One of the reasons we were pulled to Charlie 252 00:16:17,498 --> 00:16:19,326 was because he was a musician. 253 00:16:19,369 --> 00:16:21,806 All of us wanted to be musicians, 254 00:16:21,850 --> 00:16:24,852 and that's what we did every single night is play music. 255 00:16:47,354 --> 00:16:50,312 - Usually we'd get in the circle, 256 00:16:50,356 --> 00:16:54,751 and Charlie would administer the acid, 257 00:16:54,796 --> 00:16:57,277 like a sacrament, almost. 258 00:16:59,756 --> 00:17:04,761 Taking LSD, you can see the trees growing. 259 00:17:04,806 --> 00:17:07,765 I mean, you just really feel like at one 260 00:17:07,808 --> 00:17:11,160 with the Earth and the universe. 261 00:17:11,203 --> 00:17:12,422 I mean, you just kind of like, 262 00:17:12,465 --> 00:17:15,730 everything starts making more sense. 263 00:17:20,212 --> 00:17:22,084 And then at some point, 264 00:17:22,127 --> 00:17:25,695 he would orchestrate a love-in, 265 00:17:25,740 --> 00:17:29,743 you know, an orgy, for lack of a better word. 266 00:17:29,787 --> 00:17:32,528 I mean, we didn't think of it as an orgy, 267 00:17:32,573 --> 00:17:34,749 but that's really what it was. 268 00:17:37,577 --> 00:17:40,406 We were dependent upon each other. 269 00:17:41,103 --> 00:17:44,672 He didn't want us to think about our families. 270 00:17:46,281 --> 00:17:48,414 Forget your parents. 271 00:17:48,980 --> 00:17:50,547 You know, get rid of your inhibitions. 272 00:17:50,590 --> 00:17:53,549 You know, what the outside society says is wrong. 273 00:17:53,594 --> 00:17:55,987 You know, we're going in the right direction. 274 00:18:28,628 --> 00:18:31,240 - This is Hollywood, the most famous, 275 00:18:31,284 --> 00:18:33,328 the most glamorous place in the world. 276 00:18:33,373 --> 00:18:36,157 It's a place of dreams, hopes, and riches. 277 00:18:36,201 --> 00:18:38,987 Let's go Hollywood backstage and see this unique 278 00:18:39,029 --> 00:18:41,945 and fascinating place called Hollywood. 279 00:18:44,818 --> 00:18:49,911 - The Hollywood scene was quite a vibrant scene. 280 00:18:50,564 --> 00:18:53,827 It was a period when the Beach Boys were very big, 281 00:18:53,871 --> 00:18:56,047 Buffalo Springfield, the Byrds. 282 00:18:56,090 --> 00:18:59,486 They were all coming up fast. They were all big. 283 00:19:00,182 --> 00:19:01,791 The scene in the nightclubs 284 00:19:01,836 --> 00:19:05,056 was a crazy mélange of characters 285 00:19:05,099 --> 00:19:06,623 from the rock and roll world 286 00:19:06,666 --> 00:19:08,669 and characters from the underworld. 287 00:19:11,019 --> 00:19:13,630 You could see the celebrities hanging out 288 00:19:13,673 --> 00:19:18,243 at Jack Hanson's Daisy Club in Beverly Hills. 289 00:19:18,679 --> 00:19:23,988 Jack Hanson and his wife, Sally, designed Jack Slacks. 290 00:19:24,031 --> 00:19:25,990 - Hollywood is the place 291 00:19:26,034 --> 00:19:28,471 where women started wearing pants, 292 00:19:28,515 --> 00:19:30,994 led by Marlene Dietrich in the '30s. 293 00:19:31,038 --> 00:19:34,346 Slacks are now an accepted item of feminine apparel. 294 00:19:34,390 --> 00:19:36,653 But at Jack's of Beverly Hills, 295 00:19:36,697 --> 00:19:39,742 they achieve a new, impressive status. 296 00:19:39,787 --> 00:19:43,182 - He could make women, particularly actresses, 297 00:19:43,224 --> 00:19:46,228 look sleek and sexy. 298 00:19:46,271 --> 00:19:48,056 Jack made a lot of money from it, 299 00:19:48,098 --> 00:19:50,537 and he opened his own club. 300 00:19:50,579 --> 00:19:53,017 You didn't apply for membership to Jack's. 301 00:19:53,060 --> 00:19:55,105 You were invited to join. 302 00:19:55,150 --> 00:19:59,240 Steve McQueen, Roman Polanski there with Sharon Tate. 303 00:19:59,285 --> 00:20:01,329 Then of course, there was Jay Sebring, 304 00:20:01,374 --> 00:20:03,767 who earned huge amounts of money 305 00:20:03,810 --> 00:20:07,205 for giving a movie star a haircut. 306 00:20:08,381 --> 00:20:09,946 And they could go wild, 307 00:20:09,990 --> 00:20:12,036 and they could know that no paparazzi 308 00:20:12,079 --> 00:20:14,430 would take their picture. 309 00:20:14,473 --> 00:20:16,692 Drugs were being used. 310 00:20:16,737 --> 00:20:18,781 If you saw it, you didn't talk about it. 311 00:20:19,782 --> 00:20:22,568 Many stars were probably looking 312 00:20:22,612 --> 00:20:24,570 for a little bit of an extra kick, 313 00:20:24,614 --> 00:20:28,269 so anybody with kind of a rough reputation 314 00:20:28,314 --> 00:20:30,403 might have been adopted into the scene. 315 00:20:44,112 --> 00:20:47,070 - They're doing this movie in Topanga Canyon, 316 00:20:47,115 --> 00:20:49,160 just a stupid nudie cutie, 317 00:20:49,203 --> 00:20:52,729 and they want a bunch of girls that can look like Indians. 318 00:20:52,772 --> 00:20:54,904 I read for them, and they said, 319 00:20:54,949 --> 00:20:59,083 "We'd like to offer you one of the main roles." 320 00:20:59,126 --> 00:21:02,521 So that was "Ramrodder." 321 00:21:05,046 --> 00:21:08,092 I show up, and just a little ways off 322 00:21:08,135 --> 00:21:11,965 I see this stunningly handsome young man. 323 00:21:13,663 --> 00:21:18,319 And he came over, and he got really, really close, 324 00:21:18,364 --> 00:21:22,585 and he said, "I'm your love interest." 325 00:21:22,628 --> 00:21:25,806 And he said, "Do you mind if I get a preview?" 326 00:21:28,025 --> 00:21:30,941 He lifted my top and goes, 327 00:21:30,984 --> 00:21:33,943 "Perfect, just like I thought." 328 00:21:33,988 --> 00:21:37,296 Turned around and said, "I'll see you later." 329 00:21:37,338 --> 00:21:38,862 And that's how I met Bobby. 330 00:21:44,999 --> 00:21:48,828 - Topanga was laid back compared to Los Angeles. 331 00:21:48,872 --> 00:21:51,134 You had the feeling that you were out in the country, 332 00:21:51,179 --> 00:21:55,009 even though it was fairly close to civilization. 333 00:21:57,010 --> 00:22:00,144 The first time I met Charlie was down in the Topanga Canyon 334 00:22:00,188 --> 00:22:01,319 where it meets the highway. 335 00:22:03,409 --> 00:22:07,630 I heard music coming from this old wooden house. 336 00:22:07,673 --> 00:22:09,980 I went up the spiral staircase. 337 00:22:10,023 --> 00:22:13,027 There was a guy in a plaid shirt singing, playing guitar. 338 00:22:14,549 --> 00:22:16,464 I started playing this little instrument 339 00:22:16,509 --> 00:22:17,988 I found on the table, 340 00:22:18,031 --> 00:22:20,382 and just did the best I could to fit in 341 00:22:20,425 --> 00:22:22,515 with the man who was singing, 342 00:22:22,557 --> 00:22:26,039 who I was later introduced to as Charlie. 343 00:22:27,693 --> 00:22:30,173 After I moved into Topanga, 344 00:22:30,218 --> 00:22:32,612 I wanted to try to get some jobs playing guitar. 345 00:22:33,263 --> 00:22:36,355 One day I did get a call from the bass player 346 00:22:36,397 --> 00:22:38,356 in a band called The Milky Way. 347 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:42,056 The band was built around the songs that Charlie was doing. 348 00:22:42,751 --> 00:22:46,190 We played at the Topanga Corral I think two nights 349 00:22:46,233 --> 00:22:48,758 or three nights before we were fired. 350 00:22:50,151 --> 00:22:52,371 I wasn't gonna join his commune. 351 00:22:52,413 --> 00:22:54,198 I had no interest in that, 352 00:22:54,241 --> 00:22:56,940 but he is a person, as a musician, 353 00:22:57,419 --> 00:22:59,289 I did have an interest in. 354 00:22:59,334 --> 00:23:01,596 I thought he was worth investing 355 00:23:01,641 --> 00:23:03,903 a little of myself in. 356 00:23:05,035 --> 00:23:09,910 It was enough of an interest to me that I kept coming back. 357 00:23:37,153 --> 00:23:40,419 - A couple of girls met Dennis Wilson. 358 00:23:40,461 --> 00:23:42,072 He picked 'em up hitchhiking, 359 00:23:42,115 --> 00:23:44,814 and they introduced him to Charlie. 360 00:23:51,125 --> 00:23:53,561 - I think the two must have hit it off. 361 00:23:53,605 --> 00:23:55,128 Suddenly we were, like, living there. 362 00:24:05,138 --> 00:24:08,184 - When we first drove into Dennis Wilson's estate, 363 00:24:08,229 --> 00:24:10,361 there was peacocks roaming around 364 00:24:10,404 --> 00:24:12,842 and big eucalyptus trees, 365 00:24:12,885 --> 00:24:17,019 and just a rambling log home with a lot of glass. 366 00:24:19,848 --> 00:24:21,981 It was really beautiful. 367 00:24:24,506 --> 00:24:26,813 There was a guest house. 368 00:24:29,163 --> 00:24:30,990 Big swimming pool. 369 00:24:37,345 --> 00:24:41,174 Just a beautiful place, the inside, huge fireplace. 370 00:24:41,218 --> 00:24:44,221 Fireplace that you could walk into. 371 00:24:46,180 --> 00:24:49,530 Charlie was teaching Dennis how to play the guitar, 372 00:24:49,575 --> 00:24:55,624 and Dennis welcomed Charlie and us girls into his home, 373 00:24:55,667 --> 00:24:59,627 and we would take his Rolls Royce and go dumpster diving. 374 00:24:59,672 --> 00:25:01,804 We made food, and he was impressed. 375 00:25:01,847 --> 00:25:04,807 I remember making the strawberry cake, you know? 376 00:25:04,851 --> 00:25:07,506 And he was like, "Wow, this came out of a..." 377 00:25:07,548 --> 00:25:09,508 You know, "This came out of a dumpster?" 378 00:25:11,465 --> 00:25:13,163 He would introduce Charlie 379 00:25:13,207 --> 00:25:16,078 to his other musician friends with pride. 380 00:25:16,123 --> 00:25:19,169 Common people, man, so... 381 00:25:19,212 --> 00:25:22,999 - Both Terry Melcher and Gregg Jakobson came 382 00:25:23,042 --> 00:25:26,525 and listened to Charlie play the guitar and sing. 383 00:25:27,568 --> 00:25:29,919 - Dennis called me up and was very excited, 384 00:25:29,962 --> 00:25:31,417 and said, "Come on, you've got to meet this guy 385 00:25:31,442 --> 00:25:33,531 and these girls," and he went on and on. 386 00:25:33,575 --> 00:25:37,578 And sure enough, it was quite an interesting scene. 387 00:25:37,623 --> 00:25:39,363 Everybody was having a good time, 388 00:25:39,406 --> 00:25:41,278 drinking beer, smoking a joint. 389 00:25:41,322 --> 00:25:43,541 Girls were in the swimming pool. 390 00:25:44,586 --> 00:25:47,371 Charlie was inside, and he was very demanding. 391 00:25:47,414 --> 00:25:49,895 He did garner your attention. 392 00:25:49,939 --> 00:25:51,854 He was a fascinating character. 393 00:25:51,897 --> 00:25:53,376 He was really interesting. 394 00:25:53,421 --> 00:25:55,204 - If you had a camera, I could dance. 395 00:25:55,249 --> 00:25:57,859 - Dennis used to call Charlie "the Wizard." 396 00:25:57,903 --> 00:26:01,080 He really thought that Charlie was magical. 397 00:26:01,124 --> 00:26:03,431 In the beginning, he was really enamored by him. 398 00:26:03,473 --> 00:26:06,041 - I wrote about a couple hundred songs, you know? 399 00:26:06,086 --> 00:26:11,569 - Dennis had an affinity for finding the waifs 400 00:26:11,613 --> 00:26:13,701 and people that seemed to be misfits. 401 00:26:13,746 --> 00:26:16,226 They would all seem to find him. 402 00:26:16,269 --> 00:26:19,621 That's where Charlie Manson came into the scene. 403 00:26:19,664 --> 00:26:22,492 He was one of Dennis's projects. 404 00:26:22,537 --> 00:26:25,234 - Huh? Yeah, well, I mean, you know... 405 00:26:25,278 --> 00:26:29,805 - He wasn't a friend of mine, but I knew him. 406 00:26:29,848 --> 00:26:33,068 And he would find the places that we were, 407 00:26:33,113 --> 00:26:35,897 and he would just be there. 408 00:26:35,942 --> 00:26:38,422 I just thought he was a seedy little character, 409 00:26:38,465 --> 00:26:41,424 and I just, you know, and he also didn't bathe. 410 00:26:41,469 --> 00:26:42,949 And none of those people did. 411 00:26:42,991 --> 00:26:45,733 And so you knew he was there a block away, 412 00:26:45,778 --> 00:26:48,432 just, you know, 'cause that's who he was. 413 00:26:48,476 --> 00:26:50,739 - The smartest people in the world 414 00:26:50,782 --> 00:26:52,959 are really the most cut off. 415 00:26:54,307 --> 00:26:56,919 - And he would make you listen to this guy, 416 00:26:56,962 --> 00:26:58,921 and people were doing it to humor Dennis, 417 00:26:58,964 --> 00:27:00,749 or because of who he was, 418 00:27:00,792 --> 00:27:02,795 people were giving him the respect. 419 00:27:02,837 --> 00:27:05,362 - Take all the words away 420 00:27:05,405 --> 00:27:06,972 and don't think in right and wrong. 421 00:27:07,016 --> 00:27:10,540 Just think in truth and all the answers are there. 422 00:27:10,585 --> 00:27:12,281 The weirdest thing was 423 00:27:12,326 --> 00:27:14,675 first the parties were in the guest house, 424 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,939 and this Manson and his crew would be there. 425 00:27:16,982 --> 00:27:19,549 And then it kind of flipped itself, 426 00:27:19,594 --> 00:27:22,944 and Dennis moved those people into his house, 427 00:27:22,989 --> 00:27:26,470 and he stayed in the guest house on his own property. 428 00:27:26,513 --> 00:27:31,387 So, for some reason, Charlie was able to manipulate him. 429 00:27:31,432 --> 00:27:32,999 - Oh, yeah, this'll make you some money. 430 00:27:33,041 --> 00:27:34,695 This is a money song, yeah. 431 00:27:34,740 --> 00:27:37,133 - Charles had convinced him that the music 432 00:27:37,176 --> 00:27:38,961 that he was playing was good, 433 00:27:39,005 --> 00:27:41,484 and that he was gonna be a superstar, 434 00:27:41,528 --> 00:27:44,357 and so I guess Dennis went along with it, 435 00:27:44,401 --> 00:27:47,143 I guess, and tried introducing him to people, 436 00:27:47,186 --> 00:27:49,971 and to try to get him a record deal and all of that. 437 00:27:50,016 --> 00:27:51,886 - You do whatever you feel, man. 438 00:27:51,931 --> 00:27:53,211 - Yeah, well, then I won't... I won't do... 439 00:27:53,236 --> 00:27:54,560 - You know, whatever comes in your mind. 440 00:27:54,585 --> 00:27:56,674 - Yeah, all right. - I'm just sitting here, 441 00:27:56,718 --> 00:27:58,521 gonna groove with you for the next hour and a half, 442 00:27:58,546 --> 00:27:59,807 or hour and 45... 443 00:27:59,852 --> 00:28:01,983 - We went to Brian Wilson's 444 00:28:02,028 --> 00:28:05,683 to a session that they were gonna record maybe a demo. 445 00:28:06,554 --> 00:28:09,035 - Let's see, hmm-hm. 446 00:29:11,096 --> 00:29:13,229 - Summer was coming to an end. 447 00:29:13,272 --> 00:29:14,597 At some point, Dennis would have to leave. 448 00:29:14,622 --> 00:29:16,276 The Beach Boys were gonna go on the road. 449 00:29:17,972 --> 00:29:21,019 And that's when things would start to fall apart. 450 00:29:22,281 --> 00:29:24,458 I remember at one point Dennis is gone, 451 00:29:24,500 --> 00:29:26,634 One of the accountants for Dennis says, 452 00:29:26,676 --> 00:29:31,464 "You have a $1,200 Alta Dena Dairy bill." 453 00:29:32,335 --> 00:29:33,815 They were charging everything. 454 00:29:33,858 --> 00:29:35,705 They would... The Alta Dena Dairy man would, like, 455 00:29:35,730 --> 00:29:38,253 be unloading his truck there at the place. 456 00:29:38,298 --> 00:29:40,778 So that started to play on Dennis. 457 00:29:41,126 --> 00:29:43,606 He didn't want people to take advantage of him, 458 00:29:43,651 --> 00:29:46,348 nobody does, and that became more and more apparent 459 00:29:46,393 --> 00:29:48,481 that that's what was going on. 460 00:29:49,352 --> 00:29:51,354 That was, maybe more than anything else, 461 00:29:51,397 --> 00:29:53,791 the formal beginning of the split, 462 00:29:53,835 --> 00:29:55,794 of going their separate ways. 463 00:29:57,577 --> 00:29:59,623 He was gonna go away for two weeks, on the road, 464 00:29:59,666 --> 00:30:01,165 and he said, "Gregg, can you get me out of here? 465 00:30:01,190 --> 00:30:02,974 Can you find a house for me?" 466 00:30:03,365 --> 00:30:05,673 So, literally, I hired a moving company 467 00:30:05,715 --> 00:30:08,327 to take Dennis's personal stuff out of there. 468 00:30:10,242 --> 00:30:12,288 And the whole idea was to not let 469 00:30:12,332 --> 00:30:13,855 the girls and Charlie know. 470 00:30:13,898 --> 00:30:15,943 He was really trying to divorce himself from that. 471 00:30:15,988 --> 00:30:17,641 He was really done with it. 472 00:30:17,684 --> 00:30:19,556 We want the Beach Boys! 473 00:30:19,599 --> 00:30:22,864 We want the Beach Boys! We want the Beach Boys! 474 00:30:37,226 --> 00:30:41,839 - In 1967, '68 and '69, 475 00:30:43,015 --> 00:30:46,496 we had bigotry, racial prejudice. 476 00:30:49,586 --> 00:30:52,807 And there were race riots in every major American city. 477 00:30:53,415 --> 00:30:55,505 - The simple fact is this. 478 00:30:55,548 --> 00:30:59,074 We are in the worst crisis we have known since the Civil War. 479 00:30:59,117 --> 00:31:00,509 And time is running short 480 00:31:00,554 --> 00:31:02,772 to try to find some answers to it. 481 00:31:07,212 --> 00:31:09,214 This was the image of the negro revolution 482 00:31:09,258 --> 00:31:11,173 only a few years ago. 483 00:31:11,217 --> 00:31:14,088 Negro and white, side by side. 484 00:31:14,133 --> 00:31:16,352 Patient negroes. 485 00:31:16,395 --> 00:31:19,181 The violence we saw was quite. 486 00:31:19,224 --> 00:31:21,182 We saw negroes hosed and beaten, 487 00:31:21,227 --> 00:31:22,923 harassed with dogs. 488 00:31:24,970 --> 00:31:28,364 Then, abruptly, shatteringly, the images were different. 489 00:31:28,407 --> 00:31:32,715 "Burn, baby, burn" drowned out "We shall overcome." 490 00:31:40,246 --> 00:31:42,638 - America is shocked and saddened 491 00:31:42,682 --> 00:31:48,427 by the brutal slaying tonight of Dr. Martin Luther King. 492 00:31:48,471 --> 00:31:54,825 I ask every citizen to reject the blind violence 493 00:31:54,868 --> 00:31:58,046 that has struck Dr. King. 494 00:31:58,089 --> 00:32:00,395 - When the racists shot Martin Luther King, 495 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,746 the bullet that killed him killed non-violence. 496 00:32:02,789 --> 00:32:06,054 - During rebellions, brother, you got to stop looting 497 00:32:06,097 --> 00:32:07,750 and start shooting. 498 00:32:07,795 --> 00:32:08,926 Black power, brothers. 499 00:32:08,970 --> 00:32:10,666 - Black power! 500 00:32:10,711 --> 00:32:13,234 - Charlie Manson thought black people were inferior, 501 00:32:13,278 --> 00:32:15,324 but he also feared them. 502 00:32:15,367 --> 00:32:19,111 He began by being afraid of the black Muslims in prison. 503 00:32:20,981 --> 00:32:24,550 So what Charlie talks about is a race war's coming. 504 00:32:25,334 --> 00:32:29,076 - The call was for violence, and it filled the air, 505 00:32:29,121 --> 00:32:31,297 it seemed, everywhere. 506 00:32:31,818 --> 00:32:33,690 I saw myself reflected 507 00:32:33,733 --> 00:32:36,563 in the wildness of their hopes and stares. 508 00:32:39,305 --> 00:32:43,134 - We have been too non-violent! Too non-violent! 509 00:32:43,177 --> 00:32:45,788 - You are either for it or you are against it. 510 00:32:45,833 --> 00:32:50,750 - There is no such thing as a non-violent revolution! 511 00:32:51,272 --> 00:32:53,188 - He was convincing them, 512 00:32:53,231 --> 00:32:56,104 they were either gonna be murdered by the blacks, 513 00:32:56,147 --> 00:32:58,498 or the blacks would make them slaves. 514 00:33:02,545 --> 00:33:05,113 The problem for a guru is if you promise 515 00:33:05,156 --> 00:33:06,722 that some great thing is gonna happen 516 00:33:06,767 --> 00:33:09,377 and it doesn't, you've let down your followers. 517 00:33:09,422 --> 00:33:11,858 You don't have the magic after all. 518 00:33:11,902 --> 00:33:14,688 So you've got to do the sleight of hand. 519 00:33:15,123 --> 00:33:18,473 He's playing them the Beatles' "White Album" over and over, 520 00:33:18,518 --> 00:33:21,477 and "Hear the messages the Beatles are sending us." 521 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,132 "Blackbird" works in very well, 522 00:33:24,175 --> 00:33:26,742 "Piggies" works in very well. 523 00:33:26,787 --> 00:33:28,329 Then there's the song, "Helter Skelter," 524 00:33:28,354 --> 00:33:30,050 coming down fast. 525 00:33:32,183 --> 00:33:36,491 One of Charlie's basic creeds is that there is no crime, 526 00:33:36,536 --> 00:33:40,409 there is no sin, that it's all just a game, 527 00:33:40,452 --> 00:33:42,498 and that God's getting ready 528 00:33:42,541 --> 00:33:45,500 to pull down the curtain on this game 529 00:33:45,545 --> 00:33:49,201 and start it over again with his chosen people. 530 00:33:49,940 --> 00:33:51,768 And that when Helter Skelter comes down, 531 00:33:51,811 --> 00:33:54,857 that the cities are gonna be mass hysteria, 532 00:33:54,902 --> 00:33:56,685 and that the beast will fall, 533 00:33:56,730 --> 00:33:58,557 and the black man will take over. 534 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,519 - So what do you want to do? You want to die, 535 00:34:03,563 --> 00:34:05,522 or do you want to come with me and rule the world? 536 00:34:16,402 --> 00:34:19,099 - These communes undergo a metamorphosis 537 00:34:19,143 --> 00:34:21,059 as this kind of culture is established. 538 00:34:21,101 --> 00:34:24,626 I think it's rather benign, but as it continues on, 539 00:34:24,670 --> 00:34:27,108 I think the degree of criminality increases 540 00:34:27,152 --> 00:34:30,110 until the whole spectrum of criminal activity 541 00:34:30,155 --> 00:34:32,592 is ultimately a result. 542 00:34:39,119 --> 00:34:41,208 - We'd been at Dennis's house. 543 00:34:41,253 --> 00:34:43,733 That had all, you know, ended. 544 00:34:43,777 --> 00:34:48,521 Dennis had moved out, and then we moved back to Spahn Ranch. 545 00:34:48,824 --> 00:34:51,653 And that's when things 546 00:34:51,697 --> 00:34:56,094 started going a little, little crazier. 547 00:34:59,793 --> 00:35:03,579 The recording thing had... Didn't go well with Dennis. 548 00:35:03,623 --> 00:35:06,755 And then they were still kind of dangling a carrot, 549 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,282 you know, to make a record, and then that didn't happen. 550 00:35:10,324 --> 00:35:13,284 And after that, 551 00:35:13,327 --> 00:35:16,722 then all the energy was about getting money. 552 00:35:19,291 --> 00:35:21,771 We got introduced to the desert. 553 00:35:21,815 --> 00:35:24,599 Race war, the Helter Skelter was gonna take place, 554 00:35:24,643 --> 00:35:26,820 and that this was gonna be a hiding place. 555 00:35:28,909 --> 00:35:32,434 Most of the people on the Earth would be gone, 556 00:35:32,478 --> 00:35:35,045 and so he wanted beautiful people 557 00:35:35,088 --> 00:35:38,135 to help repopulate and rule. 558 00:35:39,614 --> 00:35:43,184 And that's when I realized everything had changed. 559 00:35:47,710 --> 00:35:51,800 The Straight Satans, the motorcycle gang was involved, 560 00:35:51,844 --> 00:35:54,630 and there were knives, and there were guns. 561 00:35:54,673 --> 00:35:56,980 They were like a protection, 562 00:35:57,023 --> 00:36:00,853 and a provider of weapons. 563 00:36:04,030 --> 00:36:06,815 Danny DeCarlo was probably like the leader, 564 00:36:06,860 --> 00:36:11,646 or the most vocal and the most friendly with Charlie. 565 00:36:11,690 --> 00:36:13,648 - When did Charlie start to change. 566 00:36:13,693 --> 00:36:16,173 Initially he didn't like the guns. 567 00:36:16,217 --> 00:36:17,652 - A couple months, 568 00:36:17,697 --> 00:36:20,351 because at first he wasn't into it, you know? 569 00:36:21,222 --> 00:36:23,199 When I first went to the ranch, I brought everything. 570 00:36:23,224 --> 00:36:25,226 I brought my whole arsenal up. 571 00:36:25,269 --> 00:36:27,248 You know, I had three rifles, I had a couple of handguns, 572 00:36:27,271 --> 00:36:28,882 I brought a machine gun out there. 573 00:36:30,275 --> 00:36:31,885 He got that machine gun like John Wayne, 574 00:36:31,927 --> 00:36:33,210 spray that thing all over the place, 575 00:36:33,233 --> 00:36:35,018 and bullets went everywhere. 576 00:36:35,061 --> 00:36:36,715 It made him feel good. 577 00:36:38,065 --> 00:36:39,414 We had fun. 578 00:36:39,458 --> 00:36:41,329 We had fun shooting guns. 579 00:36:41,373 --> 00:36:43,375 Forgot about that. I did. 580 00:36:43,418 --> 00:36:44,766 - Who was the best shot? 581 00:36:44,811 --> 00:36:46,507 - Sadie. I'd say Sadie was. 582 00:36:46,552 --> 00:36:48,902 You know, firing the machine gun. 583 00:36:48,945 --> 00:36:50,556 - Did she get off on that? 584 00:36:50,599 --> 00:36:53,862 - Oh, everybody did. I did too, watching them. 585 00:37:01,219 --> 00:37:04,612 - Back at Spahn Ranch, now they're really building up 586 00:37:04,657 --> 00:37:08,530 this kind of army, you know, really, 587 00:37:08,574 --> 00:37:13,143 and trying to get money to fund guns and gas, 588 00:37:13,186 --> 00:37:16,364 and the different vehicles. 589 00:37:34,338 --> 00:37:38,081 - Charlie sent word to Bobby, who was living in Hollywood, 590 00:37:38,125 --> 00:37:40,561 with his then-girlfriend Kitty Lutesinger, 591 00:37:40,606 --> 00:37:42,998 to come help us get protected. 592 00:37:43,043 --> 00:37:44,784 So Bobby came on the ranch, 593 00:37:44,827 --> 00:37:46,612 and he hung out with the bikers, 594 00:37:46,655 --> 00:37:48,440 and he got enthralled with them. 595 00:37:48,483 --> 00:37:51,572 He thought, you know, iron horses, freedom, 596 00:37:51,617 --> 00:37:54,706 so he wanted to be a prospect. 597 00:37:56,795 --> 00:37:59,755 - I really wanted to be a part of it, you know? 598 00:37:59,798 --> 00:38:04,630 I was a wannabe and I wanted to be accepted. 599 00:38:04,672 --> 00:38:07,110 I was building a bike, I liked the lifestyle. 600 00:38:07,153 --> 00:38:08,938 The whole motorcycle culture, 601 00:38:08,981 --> 00:38:12,463 the biker culture represented a kind of freedom 602 00:38:12,507 --> 00:38:14,769 that I longed for. 603 00:38:14,813 --> 00:38:18,643 I wanted to ingratiate myself with the club. 604 00:38:18,686 --> 00:38:20,688 And when I heard that they were looking 605 00:38:20,733 --> 00:38:22,777 to get some sort of party drug, 606 00:38:22,822 --> 00:38:25,998 I offered to, you know, score for them. 607 00:38:26,565 --> 00:38:28,653 The only guy I knew who might have anything 608 00:38:28,697 --> 00:38:31,309 that would have been of interest to them was Gary. 609 00:38:32,831 --> 00:38:35,791 After I left San Francisco and went to L.A., 610 00:38:35,835 --> 00:38:39,317 I met Gary Hinman, who was a friend of a friend. 611 00:38:40,273 --> 00:38:44,626 He let me rent for a very low rental fee 612 00:38:44,670 --> 00:38:47,889 the basement of his little house. 613 00:38:48,804 --> 00:38:51,067 He had a baby grand piano in the living room, 614 00:38:51,110 --> 00:38:54,853 which was also his bedroom and also his library. 615 00:38:55,420 --> 00:38:58,813 He did teach piano out at UCLA, 616 00:38:58,858 --> 00:39:01,512 played piano for a dance troupe. 617 00:39:03,688 --> 00:39:06,996 - Gary loved music. He loved books. 618 00:39:07,039 --> 00:39:09,869 He went on to pursue a master's program. 619 00:39:11,260 --> 00:39:15,527 His mother was very proud of his musical ability. 620 00:39:16,789 --> 00:39:19,356 He became involved with Buddhism, 621 00:39:19,791 --> 00:39:21,663 and he and his parents 622 00:39:21,706 --> 00:39:25,492 were going to go to Japan on a pilgrimage. 623 00:39:25,536 --> 00:39:27,842 His parents were paying for the trip. 624 00:39:27,887 --> 00:39:30,063 He did not have the money to do that. 625 00:39:31,717 --> 00:39:34,545 Gary was a gentle human being. 626 00:39:36,155 --> 00:39:39,027 - Gary wasn't like a real dealer by any means. 627 00:39:39,072 --> 00:39:40,681 He was just a guy who sometimes 628 00:39:40,726 --> 00:39:42,684 helped to make ends meet 629 00:39:42,728 --> 00:39:45,251 by selling a little bit of pot to his friends. 630 00:39:45,686 --> 00:39:48,081 Yeah, I did know that Gary had some mescaline 631 00:39:48,123 --> 00:39:50,083 and Straight Satans gave me some money 632 00:39:50,126 --> 00:39:51,693 to go score from Gary, 633 00:39:51,737 --> 00:39:54,086 and I went and got mescaline for them. 634 00:39:54,782 --> 00:39:57,960 It was a really stupid idea on my part 635 00:39:58,003 --> 00:40:00,135 that mescaline would be a good thing 636 00:40:00,179 --> 00:40:02,661 to give to some bikers for a party. 637 00:40:04,139 --> 00:40:08,143 They came back to me and confronted me, 638 00:40:08,188 --> 00:40:10,451 saying that they thought it was bunk. 639 00:40:10,494 --> 00:40:12,713 Some of the guys had gotten sick on it. 640 00:40:12,757 --> 00:40:15,108 If guys are drinking beer and popping red devils, 641 00:40:15,150 --> 00:40:17,239 they take mescaline on top of that, 642 00:40:17,284 --> 00:40:19,112 yeah, they're gonna get sick. 643 00:40:20,025 --> 00:40:23,246 They wanted to get their money back. 644 00:40:33,300 --> 00:40:36,085 I thought I could just explain what the problem was, 645 00:40:36,128 --> 00:40:38,000 and he would give me the money back. 646 00:40:40,175 --> 00:40:43,918 Bruce and Danny drove me over, and Mary Brunner and Sadie 647 00:40:43,963 --> 00:40:45,833 asked me if they could come along, 648 00:40:45,878 --> 00:40:47,445 because they were friends of Gary's. 649 00:40:48,489 --> 00:40:51,797 Honestly, I didn't think it was gonna be a big deal. 650 00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,974 I had the gun because Bruce had given it to me. 651 00:40:55,016 --> 00:40:57,454 I guess Danny recommended that I take the gun, 652 00:40:57,498 --> 00:40:59,804 and that it'd be, you know, this sort of confrontation. 653 00:40:59,847 --> 00:41:01,501 I didn't see it that way, 654 00:41:01,545 --> 00:41:04,157 because I didn't see Gary that way. 655 00:41:05,244 --> 00:41:07,768 We talked about it, and I told him what had happened, 656 00:41:07,813 --> 00:41:10,467 and he says, "Well, Bobby, I don't have the money." 657 00:41:11,817 --> 00:41:14,123 He showed me his wallet and his checkbook. 658 00:41:14,166 --> 00:41:17,126 He had $57 in his checking account 659 00:41:17,170 --> 00:41:18,954 and a few bucks in his wallet. 660 00:41:18,998 --> 00:41:21,652 And then I was starting to get frantic. 661 00:41:22,523 --> 00:41:25,134 And so I did hit him with the gun a couple of times. 662 00:41:25,177 --> 00:41:28,224 I didn't hit him very hard. I'm just not that kind of guy. 663 00:41:28,268 --> 00:41:30,965 And that is exactly what Gary said to me. 664 00:41:31,010 --> 00:41:33,621 He says, "Bobby, this isn't you." 665 00:41:33,664 --> 00:41:35,797 You know, and I apologized. 666 00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,800 I said, "I just... I need to get something, Gary." 667 00:41:37,842 --> 00:41:39,844 I need to take something back to these guys." 668 00:41:41,193 --> 00:41:43,675 I needed to be able to look around the house 669 00:41:43,717 --> 00:41:46,373 for something that might be worth some money. 670 00:41:46,894 --> 00:41:49,898 I gave the gun to Sadie, told her, you know, 671 00:41:49,942 --> 00:41:53,335 like I'd seen done in cowboy movies as a kid, 672 00:41:53,380 --> 00:41:56,208 "If he moves, shoot him." 673 00:41:58,036 --> 00:42:01,996 Sadie had begun yelling that Gary had got the gun. 674 00:42:02,041 --> 00:42:04,347 I just immediately ran into the kitchen 675 00:42:04,391 --> 00:42:07,349 and saw Gary trying to turn the gun on me, 676 00:42:07,393 --> 00:42:09,527 and I just dove at him. 677 00:42:10,744 --> 00:42:12,355 I got my hands on the gun. 678 00:42:12,398 --> 00:42:16,577 As we were struggling, then the gun went off. 679 00:42:20,625 --> 00:42:22,190 In that instant, 680 00:42:22,235 --> 00:42:24,367 with both of us looking into each other's eyes, 681 00:42:24,411 --> 00:42:26,282 and I could see the same thing in his eyes, 682 00:42:26,326 --> 00:42:27,893 that were... that I was feeling, 683 00:42:27,936 --> 00:42:31,025 which was, "I wonder if I've been shot." 684 00:42:31,070 --> 00:42:33,072 I was able to take the gun from him. 685 00:42:34,376 --> 00:42:36,902 We both calmed down. I put the gun away. 686 00:42:36,945 --> 00:42:40,166 And Gary and I sat down at the table again. 687 00:42:41,123 --> 00:42:44,431 We came to the solution that he would sign over 688 00:42:44,474 --> 00:42:49,217 the pink slips to his VW bus and that little jalopy. 689 00:42:49,262 --> 00:42:52,264 The two of them probably weren't worth 690 00:42:52,307 --> 00:42:55,268 what I was in debt to the bikers over. 691 00:42:55,311 --> 00:42:57,965 What I didn't know at the time 692 00:42:58,010 --> 00:43:01,753 was that one of the women had called the ranch. 693 00:43:04,277 --> 00:43:05,800 - The phone rang. 694 00:43:05,844 --> 00:43:08,237 There wasn't anybody else around, so I answered it. 695 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,980 And it was Mary Brunner, and she said, "Get Charlie." 696 00:43:15,201 --> 00:43:18,639 - After Gary had given me the title to the two little cars, 697 00:43:18,682 --> 00:43:21,250 we were on cordial terms again. 698 00:43:21,293 --> 00:43:24,340 Call it water under the bridge and leave it behind. 699 00:43:26,211 --> 00:43:29,911 We became aware that someone was coming to the front door, 700 00:43:29,954 --> 00:43:32,347 and Gary went to answer it. 701 00:43:32,391 --> 00:43:36,090 And he opened the door, and said, "Hi, Charlie." 702 00:43:36,135 --> 00:43:38,353 And Charlie stepped into the front door 703 00:43:38,398 --> 00:43:39,809 and just slashed him across the face, 704 00:43:39,833 --> 00:43:42,141 not a word, without warning. 705 00:43:43,489 --> 00:43:46,536 I said, "Charlie, why did you do that?" 706 00:43:46,579 --> 00:43:51,280 And he said, exact words, "Showing you how to be a man." 707 00:43:54,327 --> 00:43:57,764 And then Bruce turned to Gary and says, "Where's the gun?" 708 00:43:57,809 --> 00:43:59,461 And I said, "I've got it." 709 00:43:59,505 --> 00:44:02,465 Bruce took the gun, as quick as they came, they left, 710 00:44:02,509 --> 00:44:05,164 and Charlie said, "Tell them to clean this mess up." 711 00:44:06,512 --> 00:44:07,688 Gary was bleeding. 712 00:44:07,731 --> 00:44:09,472 He was holding his hand up to his cheek, 713 00:44:09,516 --> 00:44:12,998 and maybe I was just horrified and Gary was horrified. 714 00:44:15,260 --> 00:44:18,481 I spent the next day with Gary. 715 00:44:18,525 --> 00:44:23,661 And I didn't know what the fuck to do at that point. 716 00:44:24,096 --> 00:44:28,012 I was getting increasingly desperate over the situation. 717 00:44:30,929 --> 00:44:32,670 So I called the ranch. 718 00:44:34,889 --> 00:44:36,431 And got Charlie on the phone and I said, 719 00:44:36,456 --> 00:44:39,197 "Man, you know, you created this problem, 720 00:44:39,240 --> 00:44:41,722 "and I need you to take it back, 721 00:44:41,766 --> 00:44:43,855 because I don't know what to do." 722 00:44:44,376 --> 00:44:46,378 And he said something to the effect, 723 00:44:46,422 --> 00:44:49,860 "You know what to do as well as I do," and hung up on me. 724 00:44:54,387 --> 00:44:58,260 And maybe a half hour later, I stabbed Gary to death. 725 00:45:09,576 --> 00:45:13,014 - He was found in the living room directly up here, 726 00:45:13,057 --> 00:45:15,842 and he was lying on his back with multiple stab wounds. 727 00:45:15,887 --> 00:45:17,844 He had been dead approximately one week 728 00:45:17,889 --> 00:45:20,717 at the time that he was found. 729 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,590 After we entered the home, we saw signs of a struggle, 730 00:45:23,632 --> 00:45:26,244 and it appeared as though there had been a 731 00:45:26,940 --> 00:45:29,074 some degree of violence. 732 00:45:31,076 --> 00:45:33,208 I would never have killed a man had Charlie 733 00:45:33,251 --> 00:45:36,210 not come into Gary's home, slashed his face, 734 00:45:36,255 --> 00:45:39,954 and then left me there with that responsibility. 735 00:45:44,088 --> 00:45:46,744 I don't remember writing in blood on the wall. 736 00:45:46,786 --> 00:45:48,920 I don't know that I did that. 737 00:45:50,007 --> 00:45:52,445 I had always assumed it was me. 738 00:45:57,449 --> 00:46:02,672 - I had seen Bobby and Mary and Susan Atkins 739 00:46:02,715 --> 00:46:04,936 kind of huddled and whispering. 740 00:46:06,284 --> 00:46:08,242 The twinkle in his eye was gone. 741 00:46:08,286 --> 00:46:12,769 He looked scared and didn't look like Bobby. 742 00:46:12,813 --> 00:46:14,074 So I asked him, "What's wrong?" 743 00:46:14,119 --> 00:46:15,989 And he said, "Nothing." 744 00:46:16,034 --> 00:46:19,777 So, I said, "Okay." And I just kept on walking. 745 00:46:29,655 --> 00:46:33,181 - Bobby Beausoleil, in his stupidity, 746 00:46:33,224 --> 00:46:36,489 gets into the car of the murder victim, Gary Hinman, 747 00:46:36,532 --> 00:46:40,144 and he drives 120 miles to San Luis Obispo. 748 00:46:44,235 --> 00:46:49,458 - And drove off in Gary's car with the murder weapon. 749 00:46:49,501 --> 00:46:51,634 - It was very early in the morning. 750 00:46:51,677 --> 00:46:53,288 The car broke down. 751 00:46:53,331 --> 00:46:54,985 The engine was still smoking 752 00:46:55,028 --> 00:46:56,943 when the Highway Patrol car passed by. 753 00:46:56,987 --> 00:46:58,728 So I jumped into the back seat 754 00:46:58,771 --> 00:47:01,295 and pretended to be asleep. 755 00:47:01,340 --> 00:47:05,126 I didn't know what I thought that would do to help. 756 00:47:05,170 --> 00:47:06,606 - The highway patrolman discovered, 757 00:47:06,648 --> 00:47:10,130 it is the car of the murder victim, Gary Hinman. 758 00:47:10,175 --> 00:47:12,177 Mr. Beausoleil was arrested, 759 00:47:12,219 --> 00:47:14,961 accused of first-degree murder. 760 00:47:27,365 --> 00:47:30,760 - After the murder, Charlie leaves town. 761 00:47:31,326 --> 00:47:33,067 Things were getting too crazy in L.A. 762 00:47:39,813 --> 00:47:42,947 - When I met Charlie, I was 17 on a road trip. 763 00:47:44,556 --> 00:47:46,601 And we were on our way home, it was probably about, 764 00:47:46,646 --> 00:47:48,516 I don't know, 3:00 in the morning or something. 765 00:47:48,561 --> 00:47:50,780 We stopped for gas. 766 00:47:50,824 --> 00:47:53,130 I went to go to the bathroom. 767 00:47:54,045 --> 00:47:55,916 There was Charlie, 768 00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:57,396 and a couple of fellows, I think, 769 00:47:57,438 --> 00:48:00,094 that were just hitchhiking were with him as well. 770 00:48:04,577 --> 00:48:06,771 He said some things, like, "Well, what's a beautiful girl 771 00:48:06,795 --> 00:48:10,061 like you out here so late at night?" 772 00:48:10,103 --> 00:48:12,106 And in just a short period of time, 773 00:48:12,150 --> 00:48:13,193 he was able to tell me 774 00:48:13,237 --> 00:48:14,934 everything I ever wanted to hear. 775 00:48:14,978 --> 00:48:16,545 "I bet your dad doesn't really love you. 776 00:48:16,588 --> 00:48:19,244 I bet nobody really takes you seriously." 777 00:48:21,855 --> 00:48:23,943 And I was like, wow, you know? 778 00:48:23,987 --> 00:48:26,903 And I saw there was guitars in his van, 779 00:48:26,947 --> 00:48:29,079 and I thought, "This is neat." 780 00:48:29,340 --> 00:48:31,298 We were near Big Sur, 781 00:48:31,342 --> 00:48:34,041 and I had always wanted to see Big Sur. 782 00:48:34,085 --> 00:48:35,913 So I don't know what happened. 783 00:48:35,956 --> 00:48:38,916 I told the fellow that I was with, 784 00:48:38,958 --> 00:48:41,918 I said, "I'm gonna go with these guys." 785 00:48:41,961 --> 00:48:45,269 The attraction was just immediate. 786 00:48:45,313 --> 00:48:47,054 Yeah. 787 00:48:54,278 --> 00:48:57,498 We pulled up to the Esalen Institute. 788 00:48:57,543 --> 00:48:59,414 He took his guitar and he told me, 789 00:48:59,458 --> 00:49:02,242 "Stay in the van while I go in there 790 00:49:02,286 --> 00:49:04,942 and I'll be back in a little bit." 791 00:49:04,985 --> 00:49:08,032 So, okay, so I just waited. 792 00:49:12,992 --> 00:49:15,603 I think that he was thinking that they were gonna be 793 00:49:15,648 --> 00:49:18,606 really blown away by his talent, 794 00:49:18,650 --> 00:49:21,349 and, you know, his music abilities, 795 00:49:21,393 --> 00:49:24,570 and, you know, ask him to come back and possibly pay him. 796 00:49:26,876 --> 00:49:29,967 But, uh, they didn't. 797 00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,623 He was pretty upset when he came back. 798 00:49:34,666 --> 00:49:37,626 The fact that these people were not impressed 799 00:49:37,670 --> 00:49:40,978 with his talent made him angry. 800 00:49:43,240 --> 00:49:45,112 Put his guitar in the van, 801 00:49:45,155 --> 00:49:48,985 and hardly said, you know, two words, and off we went. 802 00:49:57,081 --> 00:49:59,692 When we met at the gas station, I said, 803 00:49:59,735 --> 00:50:01,911 "If I go to Big Sur with you, 804 00:50:01,954 --> 00:50:05,480 will you take me to San Diego to get my things?" 805 00:50:05,523 --> 00:50:08,266 And he promised me that he would. 806 00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:10,702 And he did. 807 00:50:18,362 --> 00:50:21,844 We spent a couple of hours with my sister 808 00:50:21,887 --> 00:50:25,847 and Charlie, and my sister's boyfriend, 809 00:50:25,891 --> 00:50:29,199 and I don't think they were happy. 810 00:50:29,635 --> 00:50:32,246 You know, they were on the outside looking in, 811 00:50:32,289 --> 00:50:34,335 and I don't think they were real glad 812 00:50:34,378 --> 00:50:38,773 that I was going with him, but nevertheless, I was, so. 813 00:50:41,211 --> 00:50:42,690 Basically, I didn't take much. 814 00:50:42,735 --> 00:50:46,739 A few clothes, my dog, and my guitar. 815 00:50:56,269 --> 00:50:58,184 When we pulled up to the ranch, 816 00:50:58,228 --> 00:50:59,708 everything was turned over. 817 00:50:59,751 --> 00:51:03,190 Any clothes that I brought went into a communal pile. 818 00:51:03,233 --> 00:51:05,626 My driver's license, any money I had, 819 00:51:05,670 --> 00:51:08,195 which was probably very, very little. 820 00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,110 Everything that we had went into, 821 00:51:10,153 --> 00:51:12,199 like a communal pot, 822 00:51:12,242 --> 00:51:14,375 and everybody just used whatever. 823 00:51:14,418 --> 00:51:17,422 Kind of gave up your identity, you know? 824 00:51:30,782 --> 00:51:35,961 - I asked Charlie, "Hey, do you know what's up with Bobby?" 825 00:51:36,005 --> 00:51:39,922 He said, "Yeah, he got busted in a dead man's car, 826 00:51:39,965 --> 00:51:41,750 and now he's in for murder." 827 00:51:41,793 --> 00:51:44,143 And I said, "Bobby?" 828 00:51:44,188 --> 00:51:47,407 And he kind of said it with disdain. 829 00:51:47,452 --> 00:51:49,757 And I said, "Well, what jail is he in? 830 00:51:49,802 --> 00:51:51,019 I'll go see him." 831 00:51:51,498 --> 00:51:53,458 And he said, "I've got this covered. 832 00:51:53,501 --> 00:51:55,503 You stay out of it." 833 00:52:13,913 --> 00:52:16,655 - In my world, there is no wrong. 834 00:52:20,179 --> 00:52:22,835 You think that my mind is like your mind, but it isn't. 835 00:52:25,097 --> 00:52:28,144 This confusion belongs to you. It's your confusion. 836 00:52:32,061 --> 00:52:36,152 Living is what scares me. Dying is easy. 837 00:52:38,893 --> 00:52:40,853 - But there is something else here. 838 00:52:40,896 --> 00:52:45,684 We have known what Manson did without understanding why. 839 00:52:46,554 --> 00:52:49,643 - Charlie played a different role for each one of us. 840 00:52:49,688 --> 00:52:52,298 - We were everything to each other. 841 00:52:52,342 --> 00:52:54,822 - This wasn't what I signed up for. 842 00:52:54,867 --> 00:52:56,824 - These were America's children. 843 00:52:56,869 --> 00:53:00,525 - It was the '60s. It was a perfect storm. 844 00:53:00,568 --> 00:53:03,222 - People have been brainwashed to believe 845 00:53:03,266 --> 00:53:05,530 the real reason behind these murders 846 00:53:05,572 --> 00:53:07,532 was to start a race war. 847 00:53:08,576 --> 00:53:10,534 He said, "Will you die for me?" 848 00:53:11,971 --> 00:53:14,842 - Helter Skelter simply means confusion. 849 00:54:08,027 --> 00:54:10,246 - Greg, move your head. 66751

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