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- I'm nobody.
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I'm a tramp, a bum, a hobo.
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I'm a boxcar and a jug of wine.
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You think that my mind is
like your mind, but it isn't.
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There's no need to feel guilty.
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I haven't done anything
I'm ashamed of.
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Because we're outlaws.
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Yeah, when you're in war,
you're in war, mister.
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Believe me, if I started
murdering people,
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there'd be none of you left.
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- Friday night in Los Angeles,
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a movie actress and four
of her friends were murdered.
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The circumstances were lurid.
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- In a scene described
by one investigator
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as reminiscent of
a weird religious rite...
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- This was at the home of
movie director Roman Polanski.
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It was his wife...
- Eight months pregnant.
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- who was one of the victims.
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- Bodies were scattered inside,
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on the lawn and the driveway.
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- The others were
a male hairdresser,
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the heiress to
a coffee fortune, a writer,
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and a boy just out
of high school.
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- A scene more tragic
than any horror movie.
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- Stunned the city
and shocked the world.
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- In all my years
I have never seen anything
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like this before.
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- You all know it?
- No.
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- At 8:30 this morning,
Winifred Chapman,
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an employee,
came to work at 10050 Cielo
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and found several bodies
in the house,
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and immediately the police
were notified.
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The tentative identification
of the persons are as follows.
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Sharon Polanski,
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Jay Sebring,
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Wojciech Frykowski,
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Abigail Folger,
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and another man who is unknown.
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- Where were the bodies found?
All in one room?
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- No, two of the bodies
were found inside the house,
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one in a vehicle,
and two on the front lawn.
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- We understand she was
pregnant, is that correct?
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- Yes, she is pregnant, but
I'm not going to discuss how...
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- Were any of the bodies
badly mutilated?
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- This I'd rather not discuss.
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- Was there anything scrawled
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on the front door
of that house in blood?
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- I can't answer that question.
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- Do you have
any kind of an idea
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of who might have done it?
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Do you have any kind of
APBs out, any suspects at all?
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- No, the only person we have
at this time is Mr. Garretson,
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whom we are questioning,
because he was on the premises
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this morning
when the maid arrived.
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- Why is this case more
complicated than other cases
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that you can't comment?
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What's the difference
in this case?
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- Well, how many cases
and how many times do you have
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five persons that are found
murdered at the same time?
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- Living is what scares me.
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Dying is easy.
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- And a short time later,
not far away,
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a middle-aged couple
was found murdered
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in similar circumstances.
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- The latest murders were
discovered during the night.
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The bodies of a man and his
wife found in their home.
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Leno LaBianca,
a supermarket owner,
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and his wife had both
been stabbed to death,
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repeated stab wounds.
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On his body, the word "war"
had been carved in the chest.
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Then, with blood, the killer
had scrawled the words
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"death to pigs."
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- Oh my God,
it's happened again.
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- The slaughter
of innocent people.
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- That set off a panic state
in Los Angeles.
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- People locked
their doors at night.
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People started
arming themselves.
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- We thought
she was a British star.
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Come to find out,
she's an American all the time.
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A beautiful young lady you're
gonna be hearing a lot from.
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She's in London filming
"The Vampire Killers,"
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a new film by director
Roman Polanski.
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Sharon Tate
is the young lady's name.
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- I was born in Dallas, Texas.
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- And lived all of your life
in America?
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- Not really, I lived
in Italy for four years.
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- Why was that?
- My dad's in the Army.
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- An Army brat made good, huh?
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- Yeah, I try.
- Oh, that's great.
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And now you have
a monster movie.
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- And now... not really.
- What's it called?
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- It's called "The Vampire
Killers," Roman Polanski.
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- Sharon?
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Sharon?
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Looking at him, not at me, okay?
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- Looking at the husband?
- Yeah.
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- You know, uh...
- Yeah.
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- Quiet in the back.
- Turnover.
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- During that period
when I was in London,
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I remember an instant
when I was thinking,
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"I'm happy now and
I don't want anything else."
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Two top film folk got spliced,
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and the present public
turned out in force.
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He is Polish-born director
Roman Polanski.
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She's American
actress Sharon Tate.
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And the huge public interest
their wedding created
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shows that the magic
of motion pictures
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is as strong today as ever.
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After the ceremony
at Chelsea Registry Office,
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the mini-gowned bride
and the mod-geared mate
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made for the Playboy Club
and a star-studded reception.
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Bunnies lavished champagne
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on some of the top names
in show business.
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Michael Caine keeping company
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with very dishy Candice Bergen.
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The bride will keep working.
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Hubby says he wants
a hippie, not a housewife.
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That was the only serious
note of the day.
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Tony Newley got the star
set really shaking.
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- California.
Mean temperature 73 degrees.
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The sun that never quits.
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It acts on the unburned
hydrocarbons
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and oxides of nitrogen
from auto exhaust.
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Los Angeles County,
with four million cars
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and the odd bike suffers most
because it's in a basin.
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The breezes are balmy.
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There's nothing to stir up
that brown cloud
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that can make your eyes tear.
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85% of it attributed to cars.
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The more general effect, our
whole climate is warming up
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because there's so much
carbon dioxide in the air.
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It's so heavy that it prevents
the radiation of heat
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from the Earth's surface.
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Ahh, breathe in, city folk.
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- This is where they lived,
among the stables, barns,
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and phony buildings of an old,
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run-down movie location
20 miles from Los Angeles.
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They called themselves
"The Family."
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- Back and forth,
lugging their sleeping bags.
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They just lived anywhere
they felt like it.
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With they're family.
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- They were constantly
taking dope,
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and they just sit around all day
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and sleep and got loaded.
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- Police said they were
a pseudo-religious cult.
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The family's leader,
Charles Manson...
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- He's a good person.
A very good person.
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He's got a lot of peace.
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- He was introduced to us
as their idol and leader,
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and he was always
interested in music.
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And everywhere he went, some
of the girls kinda followed him
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and laughed and talk and sang.
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- Well, when I first met him,
the man talked to me,
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and he says,
"Why don't you come up?"
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"and the rules are that,
you know, there is no rules."
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"You just look at it,
and just be beautiful with it,
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and it's just
beautiful to you."
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- Yeah.
- You know, and I love him.
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- His so-called power, which
is-it only lies in his happiness.
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That's what attracts people
is he's completely happy.
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- And warm.
- Gentle.
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He dances, he sings,
he looks beautiful,
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he looks happy,
and this draws a lot of people,
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just like people
are drawn to little babies.
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- That's all there is,
that's all there is,
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is brothers and sisters,
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and Charles Manson
is your brother.
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- Morning.
- Why?
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- Sun's shining this morning.
- It is.
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- Yeah.
- Well, what are your plans?
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- I have none.
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Going to the desert.
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- Desert?
- Yeah.
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- So you were 14, 15, 16
during that time?
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- I met him when I was 14.
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He was kind of impish
and playful, you know?
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He could be funny.
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He was in the circle
playing music,
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and he got up and
offered me his root beer,
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and gave me a big hug,
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and "Come,
join us in the circle."
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We, you know,
"We've been waiting for you."
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It just all ended up seeming,
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you know, like providence
or something.
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Spahn Ranch had been a movie
set for lots of westerns.
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And when we first saw it,
that's what it was.
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It was kind of
a run-down movie set.
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The corral was way to the left
and there was a big barn.
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There was the jail
and there was a big saloon.
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But there were
rooms behind them.
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And then there was the kitchen.
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There was a band of, like,
we called them outlaw shacks.
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And then all the way to
the right was George's house.
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He was blind,
and it definitely showed.
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You know, the house was
in as bad disrepair as,
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you know, the facade.
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It needed paint, inside and out.
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And we cleaned.
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You know, there was always
tons of sweeping to do.
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We mucked out the stalls.
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And we helped out in the corral.
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We helped rent the horses.
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There were trails all over for
riding horses into the hills
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where all
the fabulous rocks are.
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We got high.
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Obviously, we got high.
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You know, I could just
remember dancing together
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and just, you know,
maybe cooking.
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Helms Bakery would come by
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and give us their day-old
stuff at the ranch.
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And Charlie introduced us
to dumpster diving
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behind the grocery stores.
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We had our favorite ones,
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because they had better food
that they threw out.
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You know, in the beginning,
it was different.
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I mean, there was just like
six of us girls.
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Mary was pretty reserved,
actually.
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You know, she was very quiet.
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Mary really was like
the matriarch of the Family.
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I think Mary probably
a little bit resented,
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you know, like all of us did,
sharing Charlie.
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Patty Krenwinkel
was just like Mother Earth,
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I mean, she was just
one of the sweetest, humblest,
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most nurturing girls
in the Family.
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Leslie, she was just like
a giggly high schooler.
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I viewed her as a little hottie,
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and I hadn't been
to high school.
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She'd been like
a homecoming queen,
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and she really
came off like that.
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Sandy was very smart,
but she was very needy.
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You got that sense
that she was entitled.
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She has remained
one of Charlie's
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most ardent followers.
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Susan Atkins was definitely
more worldly.
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She'd been a stripper, maybe
she'd even been a sex worker.
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You know, she'd been
around the block.
237
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Gypsy came to the Family
at Spahn Ranch.
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Gypsy liked that lifestyle.
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She was playful.
She played the violin.
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She was definitely
a true hippie.
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I was closest
to, really, Lynette.
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Lynette was kind of
looking out after George.
243
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Lynette was really the closest
confidante to Charlie.
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He confided more in her
than anybody.
245
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And I think that Charlie
played a different role
246
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for each one of us.
247
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I was falling
under Charlie's spell.
248
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- We were in a group marriage
with all the lines blurred.
249
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We were brothers, sisters,
250
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mothers, fathers, lovers,
everything to each other.
251
00:16:15,669 --> 00:16:17,453
One of the reasons
we were pulled to Charlie
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was because he was a musician.
253
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All of us wanted
to be musicians,
254
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and that's what we did every
single night is play music.
255
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- Usually we'd get
in the circle,
256
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and Charlie would
administer the acid,
257
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like a sacrament, almost.
258
00:16:59,756 --> 00:17:04,761
Taking LSD, you can see
the trees growing.
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I mean, you just
really feel like at one
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with the Earth and the universe.
261
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I mean, you just kind of like,
262
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everything starts
making more sense.
263
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And then at some point,
264
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he would orchestrate a love-in,
265
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you know, an orgy,
for lack of a better word.
266
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I mean, we didn't think
of it as an orgy,
267
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but that's really what it was.
268
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We were dependent
upon each other.
269
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He didn't want us to think
about our families.
270
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Forget your parents.
271
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You know,
get rid of your inhibitions.
272
00:17:50,590 --> 00:17:53,549
You know, what the outside
society says is wrong.
273
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You know, we're going
in the right direction.
274
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- This is Hollywood,
the most famous,
275
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the most glamorous place
in the world.
276
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It's a place of dreams,
hopes, and riches.
277
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Let's go Hollywood backstage
and see this unique
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and fascinating place
called Hollywood.
279
00:18:44,818 --> 00:18:49,911
- The Hollywood scene
was quite a vibrant scene.
280
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It was a period when
the Beach Boys were very big,
281
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Buffalo Springfield, the Byrds.
282
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They were all coming up fast.
They were all big.
283
00:19:00,182 --> 00:19:01,791
The scene in the nightclubs
284
00:19:01,836 --> 00:19:05,056
was a crazy mélange
of characters
285
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from the rock and roll world
286
00:19:06,666 --> 00:19:08,669
and characters
from the underworld.
287
00:19:11,019 --> 00:19:13,630
You could see the celebrities
hanging out
288
00:19:13,673 --> 00:19:18,243
at Jack Hanson's Daisy Club
in Beverly Hills.
289
00:19:18,679 --> 00:19:23,988
Jack Hanson and his wife,
Sally, designed Jack Slacks.
290
00:19:24,031 --> 00:19:25,990
- Hollywood is the place
291
00:19:26,034 --> 00:19:28,471
where women
started wearing pants,
292
00:19:28,515 --> 00:19:30,994
led by Marlene Dietrich
in the '30s.
293
00:19:31,038 --> 00:19:34,346
Slacks are now an accepted
item of feminine apparel.
294
00:19:34,390 --> 00:19:36,653
But at Jack's of Beverly Hills,
295
00:19:36,697 --> 00:19:39,742
they achieve
a new, impressive status.
296
00:19:39,787 --> 00:19:43,182
- He could make women,
particularly actresses,
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00:19:43,224 --> 00:19:46,228
look sleek and sexy.
298
00:19:46,271 --> 00:19:48,056
Jack made a lot
of money from it,
299
00:19:48,098 --> 00:19:50,537
and he opened his own club.
300
00:19:50,579 --> 00:19:53,017
You didn't apply
for membership to Jack's.
301
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You were invited to join.
302
00:19:55,150 --> 00:19:59,240
Steve McQueen, Roman Polanski
there with Sharon Tate.
303
00:19:59,285 --> 00:20:01,329
Then of course,
there was Jay Sebring,
304
00:20:01,374 --> 00:20:03,767
who earned huge amounts of money
305
00:20:03,810 --> 00:20:07,205
for giving a movie star
a haircut.
306
00:20:08,381 --> 00:20:09,946
And they could go wild,
307
00:20:09,990 --> 00:20:12,036
and they could know
that no paparazzi
308
00:20:12,079 --> 00:20:14,430
would take their picture.
309
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Drugs were being used.
310
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If you saw it,
you didn't talk about it.
311
00:20:19,782 --> 00:20:22,568
Many stars were probably looking
312
00:20:22,612 --> 00:20:24,570
for a little bit
of an extra kick,
313
00:20:24,614 --> 00:20:28,269
so anybody with kind of
a rough reputation
314
00:20:28,314 --> 00:20:30,403
might have been adopted
into the scene.
315
00:20:44,112 --> 00:20:47,070
- They're doing this movie
in Topanga Canyon,
316
00:20:47,115 --> 00:20:49,160
just a stupid nudie cutie,
317
00:20:49,203 --> 00:20:52,729
and they want a bunch of girls
that can look like Indians.
318
00:20:52,772 --> 00:20:54,904
I read for them, and they said,
319
00:20:54,949 --> 00:20:59,083
"We'd like to offer you
one of the main roles."
320
00:20:59,126 --> 00:21:02,521
So that was "Ramrodder."
321
00:21:05,046 --> 00:21:08,092
I show up,
and just a little ways off
322
00:21:08,135 --> 00:21:11,965
I see this stunningly
handsome young man.
323
00:21:13,663 --> 00:21:18,319
And he came over, and he got
really, really close,
324
00:21:18,364 --> 00:21:22,585
and he said,
"I'm your love interest."
325
00:21:22,628 --> 00:21:25,806
And he said, "Do you mind
if I get a preview?"
326
00:21:28,025 --> 00:21:30,941
He lifted my top and goes,
327
00:21:30,984 --> 00:21:33,943
"Perfect,
just like I thought."
328
00:21:33,988 --> 00:21:37,296
Turned around and said,
"I'll see you later."
329
00:21:37,338 --> 00:21:38,862
And that's how I met Bobby.
330
00:21:44,999 --> 00:21:48,828
- Topanga was laid back
compared to Los Angeles.
331
00:21:48,872 --> 00:21:51,134
You had the feeling that
you were out in the country,
332
00:21:51,179 --> 00:21:55,009
even though it was
fairly close to civilization.
333
00:21:57,010 --> 00:22:00,144
The first time I met Charlie
was down in the Topanga Canyon
334
00:22:00,188 --> 00:22:01,319
where it meets the highway.
335
00:22:03,409 --> 00:22:07,630
I heard music coming
from this old wooden house.
336
00:22:07,673 --> 00:22:09,980
I went up the spiral staircase.
337
00:22:10,023 --> 00:22:13,027
There was a guy in a plaid
shirt singing, playing guitar.
338
00:22:14,549 --> 00:22:16,464
I started playing
this little instrument
339
00:22:16,509 --> 00:22:17,988
I found on the table,
340
00:22:18,031 --> 00:22:20,382
and just did the best
I could to fit in
341
00:22:20,425 --> 00:22:22,515
with the man who was singing,
342
00:22:22,557 --> 00:22:26,039
who I was later introduced
to as Charlie.
343
00:22:27,693 --> 00:22:30,173
After I moved into Topanga,
344
00:22:30,218 --> 00:22:32,612
I wanted to try to get
some jobs playing guitar.
345
00:22:33,263 --> 00:22:36,355
One day I did get a call
from the bass player
346
00:22:36,397 --> 00:22:38,356
in a band called The Milky Way.
347
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:42,056
The band was built around the
songs that Charlie was doing.
348
00:22:42,751 --> 00:22:46,190
We played at the Topanga
Corral I think two nights
349
00:22:46,233 --> 00:22:48,758
or three nights
before we were fired.
350
00:22:50,151 --> 00:22:52,371
I wasn't gonna join his commune.
351
00:22:52,413 --> 00:22:54,198
I had no interest in that,
352
00:22:54,241 --> 00:22:56,940
but he is a person,
as a musician,
353
00:22:57,419 --> 00:22:59,289
I did have an interest in.
354
00:22:59,334 --> 00:23:01,596
I thought he was worth investing
355
00:23:01,641 --> 00:23:03,903
a little of myself in.
356
00:23:05,035 --> 00:23:09,910
It was enough of an interest
to me that I kept coming back.
357
00:23:37,153 --> 00:23:40,419
- A couple of girls
met Dennis Wilson.
358
00:23:40,461 --> 00:23:42,072
He picked 'em up hitchhiking,
359
00:23:42,115 --> 00:23:44,814
and they introduced him
to Charlie.
360
00:23:51,125 --> 00:23:53,561
- I think the two must have
hit it off.
361
00:23:53,605 --> 00:23:55,128
Suddenly we were, like,
living there.
362
00:24:05,138 --> 00:24:08,184
- When we first drove
into Dennis Wilson's estate,
363
00:24:08,229 --> 00:24:10,361
there was peacocks
roaming around
364
00:24:10,404 --> 00:24:12,842
and big eucalyptus trees,
365
00:24:12,885 --> 00:24:17,019
and just a rambling log home
with a lot of glass.
366
00:24:19,848 --> 00:24:21,981
It was really beautiful.
367
00:24:24,506 --> 00:24:26,813
There was a guest house.
368
00:24:29,163 --> 00:24:30,990
Big swimming pool.
369
00:24:37,345 --> 00:24:41,174
Just a beautiful place,
the inside, huge fireplace.
370
00:24:41,218 --> 00:24:44,221
Fireplace that
you could walk into.
371
00:24:46,180 --> 00:24:49,530
Charlie was teaching Dennis
how to play the guitar,
372
00:24:49,575 --> 00:24:55,624
and Dennis welcomed Charlie
and us girls into his home,
373
00:24:55,667 --> 00:24:59,627
and we would take his Rolls
Royce and go dumpster diving.
374
00:24:59,672 --> 00:25:01,804
We made food,
and he was impressed.
375
00:25:01,847 --> 00:25:04,807
I remember making the
strawberry cake, you know?
376
00:25:04,851 --> 00:25:07,506
And he was like,
"Wow, this came out of a..."
377
00:25:07,548 --> 00:25:09,508
You know, "This came out
of a dumpster?"
378
00:25:11,465 --> 00:25:13,163
He would introduce Charlie
379
00:25:13,207 --> 00:25:16,078
to his other musician friends
with pride.
380
00:25:16,123 --> 00:25:19,169
Common people, man, so...
381
00:25:19,212 --> 00:25:22,999
- Both Terry Melcher
and Gregg Jakobson came
382
00:25:23,042 --> 00:25:26,525
and listened to Charlie
play the guitar and sing.
383
00:25:27,568 --> 00:25:29,919
- Dennis called me up
and was very excited,
384
00:25:29,962 --> 00:25:31,417
and said, "Come on,
you've got to meet this guy
385
00:25:31,442 --> 00:25:33,531
and these girls,"
and he went on and on.
386
00:25:33,575 --> 00:25:37,578
And sure enough, it was
quite an interesting scene.
387
00:25:37,623 --> 00:25:39,363
Everybody was having
a good time,
388
00:25:39,406 --> 00:25:41,278
drinking beer, smoking a joint.
389
00:25:41,322 --> 00:25:43,541
Girls were in the swimming pool.
390
00:25:44,586 --> 00:25:47,371
Charlie was inside,
and he was very demanding.
391
00:25:47,414 --> 00:25:49,895
He did garner your attention.
392
00:25:49,939 --> 00:25:51,854
He was a fascinating character.
393
00:25:51,897 --> 00:25:53,376
He was really interesting.
394
00:25:53,421 --> 00:25:55,204
- If you had a camera,
I could dance.
395
00:25:55,249 --> 00:25:57,859
- Dennis used to call
Charlie "the Wizard."
396
00:25:57,903 --> 00:26:01,080
He really thought
that Charlie was magical.
397
00:26:01,124 --> 00:26:03,431
In the beginning,
he was really enamored by him.
398
00:26:03,473 --> 00:26:06,041
- I wrote about a couple
hundred songs, you know?
399
00:26:06,086 --> 00:26:11,569
- Dennis had an affinity
for finding the waifs
400
00:26:11,613 --> 00:26:13,701
and people
that seemed to be misfits.
401
00:26:13,746 --> 00:26:16,226
They would all seem to find him.
402
00:26:16,269 --> 00:26:19,621
That's where Charlie Manson
came into the scene.
403
00:26:19,664 --> 00:26:22,492
He was one of Dennis's projects.
404
00:26:22,537 --> 00:26:25,234
- Huh?
Yeah, well, I mean, you know...
405
00:26:25,278 --> 00:26:29,805
- He wasn't a friend of mine,
but I knew him.
406
00:26:29,848 --> 00:26:33,068
And he would find
the places that we were,
407
00:26:33,113 --> 00:26:35,897
and he would just be there.
408
00:26:35,942 --> 00:26:38,422
I just thought he was
a seedy little character,
409
00:26:38,465 --> 00:26:41,424
and I just, you know,
and he also didn't bathe.
410
00:26:41,469 --> 00:26:42,949
And none of those people did.
411
00:26:42,991 --> 00:26:45,733
And so you knew
he was there a block away,
412
00:26:45,778 --> 00:26:48,432
just, you know,
'cause that's who he was.
413
00:26:48,476 --> 00:26:50,739
- The smartest people
in the world
414
00:26:50,782 --> 00:26:52,959
are really the most cut off.
415
00:26:54,307 --> 00:26:56,919
- And he would make you
listen to this guy,
416
00:26:56,962 --> 00:26:58,921
and people were doing it
to humor Dennis,
417
00:26:58,964 --> 00:27:00,749
or because of who he was,
418
00:27:00,792 --> 00:27:02,795
people were giving him
the respect.
419
00:27:02,837 --> 00:27:05,362
- Take all the words away
420
00:27:05,405 --> 00:27:06,972
and don't think
in right and wrong.
421
00:27:07,016 --> 00:27:10,540
Just think in truth
and all the answers are there.
422
00:27:10,585 --> 00:27:12,281
The weirdest thing was
423
00:27:12,326 --> 00:27:14,675
first the parties
were in the guest house,
424
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,939
and this Manson and his crew
would be there.
425
00:27:16,982 --> 00:27:19,549
And then it
kind of flipped itself,
426
00:27:19,594 --> 00:27:22,944
and Dennis moved those people
into his house,
427
00:27:22,989 --> 00:27:26,470
and he stayed in the guest
house on his own property.
428
00:27:26,513 --> 00:27:31,387
So, for some reason, Charlie
was able to manipulate him.
429
00:27:31,432 --> 00:27:32,999
- Oh, yeah, this'll make
you some money.
430
00:27:33,041 --> 00:27:34,695
This is a money song, yeah.
431
00:27:34,740 --> 00:27:37,133
- Charles had convinced him
that the music
432
00:27:37,176 --> 00:27:38,961
that he was playing was good,
433
00:27:39,005 --> 00:27:41,484
and that he was
gonna be a superstar,
434
00:27:41,528 --> 00:27:44,357
and so I guess Dennis
went along with it,
435
00:27:44,401 --> 00:27:47,143
I guess, and tried
introducing him to people,
436
00:27:47,186 --> 00:27:49,971
and to try to get him
a record deal and all of that.
437
00:27:50,016 --> 00:27:51,886
- You do whatever you feel, man.
438
00:27:51,931 --> 00:27:53,211
- Yeah, well, then I won't...
I won't do...
439
00:27:53,236 --> 00:27:54,560
- You know, whatever comes
in your mind.
440
00:27:54,585 --> 00:27:56,674
- Yeah, all right.
- I'm just sitting here,
441
00:27:56,718 --> 00:27:58,521
gonna groove with you
for the next hour and a half,
442
00:27:58,546 --> 00:27:59,807
or hour and 45...
443
00:27:59,852 --> 00:28:01,983
- We went to Brian Wilson's
444
00:28:02,028 --> 00:28:05,683
to a session that they were
gonna record maybe a demo.
445
00:28:06,554 --> 00:28:09,035
- Let's see, hmm-hm.
446
00:29:11,096 --> 00:29:13,229
- Summer was coming to an end.
447
00:29:13,272 --> 00:29:14,597
At some point,
Dennis would have to leave.
448
00:29:14,622 --> 00:29:16,276
The Beach Boys
were gonna go on the road.
449
00:29:17,972 --> 00:29:21,019
And that's when things
would start to fall apart.
450
00:29:22,281 --> 00:29:24,458
I remember at one point
Dennis is gone,
451
00:29:24,500 --> 00:29:26,634
One of the accountants
for Dennis says,
452
00:29:26,676 --> 00:29:31,464
"You have a $1,200
Alta Dena Dairy bill."
453
00:29:32,335 --> 00:29:33,815
They were charging everything.
454
00:29:33,858 --> 00:29:35,705
They would... The Alta Dena
Dairy man would, like,
455
00:29:35,730 --> 00:29:38,253
be unloading his truck
there at the place.
456
00:29:38,298 --> 00:29:40,778
So that started
to play on Dennis.
457
00:29:41,126 --> 00:29:43,606
He didn't want people
to take advantage of him,
458
00:29:43,651 --> 00:29:46,348
nobody does, and that became
more and more apparent
459
00:29:46,393 --> 00:29:48,481
that that's what was going on.
460
00:29:49,352 --> 00:29:51,354
That was, maybe more
than anything else,
461
00:29:51,397 --> 00:29:53,791
the formal beginning
of the split,
462
00:29:53,835 --> 00:29:55,794
of going their separate ways.
463
00:29:57,577 --> 00:29:59,623
He was gonna go away
for two weeks, on the road,
464
00:29:59,666 --> 00:30:01,165
and he said, "Gregg,
can you get me out of here?
465
00:30:01,190 --> 00:30:02,974
Can you find a house for me?"
466
00:30:03,365 --> 00:30:05,673
So, literally, I hired
a moving company
467
00:30:05,715 --> 00:30:08,327
to take Dennis's personal
stuff out of there.
468
00:30:10,242 --> 00:30:12,288
And the whole idea
was to not let
469
00:30:12,332 --> 00:30:13,855
the girls and Charlie know.
470
00:30:13,898 --> 00:30:15,943
He was really trying
to divorce himself from that.
471
00:30:15,988 --> 00:30:17,641
He was really done with it.
472
00:30:17,684 --> 00:30:19,556
We want the Beach Boys!
473
00:30:19,599 --> 00:30:22,864
We want the Beach Boys!
We want the Beach Boys!
474
00:30:37,226 --> 00:30:41,839
- In 1967, '68 and '69,
475
00:30:43,015 --> 00:30:46,496
we had bigotry,
racial prejudice.
476
00:30:49,586 --> 00:30:52,807
And there were race riots
in every major American city.
477
00:30:53,415 --> 00:30:55,505
- The simple fact is this.
478
00:30:55,548 --> 00:30:59,074
We are in the worst crisis we
have known since the Civil War.
479
00:30:59,117 --> 00:31:00,509
And time is running short
480
00:31:00,554 --> 00:31:02,772
to try to find
some answers to it.
481
00:31:07,212 --> 00:31:09,214
This was the image
of the negro revolution
482
00:31:09,258 --> 00:31:11,173
only a few years ago.
483
00:31:11,217 --> 00:31:14,088
Negro and white, side by side.
484
00:31:14,133 --> 00:31:16,352
Patient negroes.
485
00:31:16,395 --> 00:31:19,181
The violence we saw was quite.
486
00:31:19,224 --> 00:31:21,182
We saw negroes hosed and beaten,
487
00:31:21,227 --> 00:31:22,923
harassed with dogs.
488
00:31:24,970 --> 00:31:28,364
Then, abruptly, shatteringly,
the images were different.
489
00:31:28,407 --> 00:31:32,715
"Burn, baby, burn" drowned out
"We shall overcome."
490
00:31:40,246 --> 00:31:42,638
- America is shocked
and saddened
491
00:31:42,682 --> 00:31:48,427
by the brutal slaying tonight
of Dr. Martin Luther King.
492
00:31:48,471 --> 00:31:54,825
I ask every citizen to reject
the blind violence
493
00:31:54,868 --> 00:31:58,046
that has struck Dr. King.
494
00:31:58,089 --> 00:32:00,395
- When the racists
shot Martin Luther King,
495
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,746
the bullet that killed him
killed non-violence.
496
00:32:02,789 --> 00:32:06,054
- During rebellions, brother,
you got to stop looting
497
00:32:06,097 --> 00:32:07,750
and start shooting.
498
00:32:07,795 --> 00:32:08,926
Black power, brothers.
499
00:32:08,970 --> 00:32:10,666
- Black power!
500
00:32:10,711 --> 00:32:13,234
- Charlie Manson thought
black people were inferior,
501
00:32:13,278 --> 00:32:15,324
but he also feared them.
502
00:32:15,367 --> 00:32:19,111
He began by being afraid
of the black Muslims in prison.
503
00:32:20,981 --> 00:32:24,550
So what Charlie talks about
is a race war's coming.
504
00:32:25,334 --> 00:32:29,076
- The call was for violence,
and it filled the air,
505
00:32:29,121 --> 00:32:31,297
it seemed, everywhere.
506
00:32:31,818 --> 00:32:33,690
I saw myself reflected
507
00:32:33,733 --> 00:32:36,563
in the wildness
of their hopes and stares.
508
00:32:39,305 --> 00:32:43,134
- We have been too non-violent!
Too non-violent!
509
00:32:43,177 --> 00:32:45,788
- You are either for it
or you are against it.
510
00:32:45,833 --> 00:32:50,750
- There is no such thing
as a non-violent revolution!
511
00:32:51,272 --> 00:32:53,188
- He was convincing them,
512
00:32:53,231 --> 00:32:56,104
they were either gonna be
murdered by the blacks,
513
00:32:56,147 --> 00:32:58,498
or the blacks
would make them slaves.
514
00:33:02,545 --> 00:33:05,113
The problem for a guru
is if you promise
515
00:33:05,156 --> 00:33:06,722
that some great thing
is gonna happen
516
00:33:06,767 --> 00:33:09,377
and it doesn't, you've
let down your followers.
517
00:33:09,422 --> 00:33:11,858
You don't have
the magic after all.
518
00:33:11,902 --> 00:33:14,688
So you've got to do
the sleight of hand.
519
00:33:15,123 --> 00:33:18,473
He's playing them the Beatles'
"White Album" over and over,
520
00:33:18,518 --> 00:33:21,477
and "Hear the messages
the Beatles are sending us."
521
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,132
"Blackbird" works in very well,
522
00:33:24,175 --> 00:33:26,742
"Piggies" works in very well.
523
00:33:26,787 --> 00:33:28,329
Then there's the song,
"Helter Skelter,"
524
00:33:28,354 --> 00:33:30,050
coming down fast.
525
00:33:32,183 --> 00:33:36,491
One of Charlie's basic creeds
is that there is no crime,
526
00:33:36,536 --> 00:33:40,409
there is no sin,
that it's all just a game,
527
00:33:40,452 --> 00:33:42,498
and that God's getting ready
528
00:33:42,541 --> 00:33:45,500
to pull down the curtain
on this game
529
00:33:45,545 --> 00:33:49,201
and start it over again
with his chosen people.
530
00:33:49,940 --> 00:33:51,768
And that when
Helter Skelter comes down,
531
00:33:51,811 --> 00:33:54,857
that the cities
are gonna be mass hysteria,
532
00:33:54,902 --> 00:33:56,685
and that the beast will fall,
533
00:33:56,730 --> 00:33:58,557
and the black man
will take over.
534
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,519
- So what do you want to do?
You want to die,
535
00:34:03,563 --> 00:34:05,522
or do you want to come with me
and rule the world?
536
00:34:16,402 --> 00:34:19,099
- These communes undergo
a metamorphosis
537
00:34:19,143 --> 00:34:21,059
as this kind of culture
is established.
538
00:34:21,101 --> 00:34:24,626
I think it's rather benign,
but as it continues on,
539
00:34:24,670 --> 00:34:27,108
I think the degree
of criminality increases
540
00:34:27,152 --> 00:34:30,110
until the whole spectrum
of criminal activity
541
00:34:30,155 --> 00:34:32,592
is ultimately a result.
542
00:34:39,119 --> 00:34:41,208
- We'd been at Dennis's house.
543
00:34:41,253 --> 00:34:43,733
That had all, you know, ended.
544
00:34:43,777 --> 00:34:48,521
Dennis had moved out, and then
we moved back to Spahn Ranch.
545
00:34:48,824 --> 00:34:51,653
And that's when things
546
00:34:51,697 --> 00:34:56,094
started going a little,
little crazier.
547
00:34:59,793 --> 00:35:03,579
The recording thing had...
Didn't go well with Dennis.
548
00:35:03,623 --> 00:35:06,755
And then they were still
kind of dangling a carrot,
549
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,282
you know, to make a record,
and then that didn't happen.
550
00:35:10,324 --> 00:35:13,284
And after that,
551
00:35:13,327 --> 00:35:16,722
then all the energy
was about getting money.
552
00:35:19,291 --> 00:35:21,771
We got introduced to the desert.
553
00:35:21,815 --> 00:35:24,599
Race war, the Helter Skelter
was gonna take place,
554
00:35:24,643 --> 00:35:26,820
and that this was gonna be
a hiding place.
555
00:35:28,909 --> 00:35:32,434
Most of the people
on the Earth would be gone,
556
00:35:32,478 --> 00:35:35,045
and so he wanted
beautiful people
557
00:35:35,088 --> 00:35:38,135
to help repopulate and rule.
558
00:35:39,614 --> 00:35:43,184
And that's when I realized
everything had changed.
559
00:35:47,710 --> 00:35:51,800
The Straight Satans, the
motorcycle gang was involved,
560
00:35:51,844 --> 00:35:54,630
and there were knives,
and there were guns.
561
00:35:54,673 --> 00:35:56,980
They were like a protection,
562
00:35:57,023 --> 00:36:00,853
and a provider of weapons.
563
00:36:04,030 --> 00:36:06,815
Danny DeCarlo was probably
like the leader,
564
00:36:06,860 --> 00:36:11,646
or the most vocal and
the most friendly with Charlie.
565
00:36:11,690 --> 00:36:13,648
- When did Charlie
start to change.
566
00:36:13,693 --> 00:36:16,173
Initially he
didn't like the guns.
567
00:36:16,217 --> 00:36:17,652
- A couple months,
568
00:36:17,697 --> 00:36:20,351
because at first
he wasn't into it, you know?
569
00:36:21,222 --> 00:36:23,199
When I first went to the
ranch, I brought everything.
570
00:36:23,224 --> 00:36:25,226
I brought my whole arsenal up.
571
00:36:25,269 --> 00:36:27,248
You know, I had three rifles,
I had a couple of handguns,
572
00:36:27,271 --> 00:36:28,882
I brought a machine gun
out there.
573
00:36:30,275 --> 00:36:31,885
He got that machine gun
like John Wayne,
574
00:36:31,927 --> 00:36:33,210
spray that thing
all over the place,
575
00:36:33,233 --> 00:36:35,018
and bullets went everywhere.
576
00:36:35,061 --> 00:36:36,715
It made him feel good.
577
00:36:38,065 --> 00:36:39,414
We had fun.
578
00:36:39,458 --> 00:36:41,329
We had fun shooting guns.
579
00:36:41,373 --> 00:36:43,375
Forgot about that.
I did.
580
00:36:43,418 --> 00:36:44,766
- Who was the best shot?
581
00:36:44,811 --> 00:36:46,507
- Sadie.
I'd say Sadie was.
582
00:36:46,552 --> 00:36:48,902
You know,
firing the machine gun.
583
00:36:48,945 --> 00:36:50,556
- Did she get off on that?
584
00:36:50,599 --> 00:36:53,862
- Oh, everybody did.
I did too, watching them.
585
00:37:01,219 --> 00:37:04,612
- Back at Spahn Ranch,
now they're really building up
586
00:37:04,657 --> 00:37:08,530
this kind of army,
you know, really,
587
00:37:08,574 --> 00:37:13,143
and trying to get money
to fund guns and gas,
588
00:37:13,186 --> 00:37:16,364
and the different vehicles.
589
00:37:34,338 --> 00:37:38,081
- Charlie sent word to Bobby,
who was living in Hollywood,
590
00:37:38,125 --> 00:37:40,561
with his then-girlfriend
Kitty Lutesinger,
591
00:37:40,606 --> 00:37:42,998
to come help us get protected.
592
00:37:43,043 --> 00:37:44,784
So Bobby came on the ranch,
593
00:37:44,827 --> 00:37:46,612
and he hung out with the bikers,
594
00:37:46,655 --> 00:37:48,440
and he got enthralled with them.
595
00:37:48,483 --> 00:37:51,572
He thought, you know,
iron horses, freedom,
596
00:37:51,617 --> 00:37:54,706
so he wanted to be a prospect.
597
00:37:56,795 --> 00:37:59,755
- I really wanted to be
a part of it, you know?
598
00:37:59,798 --> 00:38:04,630
I was a wannabe and
I wanted to be accepted.
599
00:38:04,672 --> 00:38:07,110
I was building a bike,
I liked the lifestyle.
600
00:38:07,153 --> 00:38:08,938
The whole motorcycle culture,
601
00:38:08,981 --> 00:38:12,463
the biker culture represented
a kind of freedom
602
00:38:12,507 --> 00:38:14,769
that I longed for.
603
00:38:14,813 --> 00:38:18,643
I wanted to ingratiate
myself with the club.
604
00:38:18,686 --> 00:38:20,688
And when I heard
that they were looking
605
00:38:20,733 --> 00:38:22,777
to get some sort of party drug,
606
00:38:22,822 --> 00:38:25,998
I offered to, you know,
score for them.
607
00:38:26,565 --> 00:38:28,653
The only guy I knew
who might have anything
608
00:38:28,697 --> 00:38:31,309
that would have been
of interest to them was Gary.
609
00:38:32,831 --> 00:38:35,791
After I left San Francisco
and went to L.A.,
610
00:38:35,835 --> 00:38:39,317
I met Gary Hinman,
who was a friend of a friend.
611
00:38:40,273 --> 00:38:44,626
He let me rent
for a very low rental fee
612
00:38:44,670 --> 00:38:47,889
the basement
of his little house.
613
00:38:48,804 --> 00:38:51,067
He had a baby grand piano
in the living room,
614
00:38:51,110 --> 00:38:54,853
which was also his bedroom
and also his library.
615
00:38:55,420 --> 00:38:58,813
He did teach piano out at UCLA,
616
00:38:58,858 --> 00:39:01,512
played piano for a dance troupe.
617
00:39:03,688 --> 00:39:06,996
- Gary loved music.
He loved books.
618
00:39:07,039 --> 00:39:09,869
He went on to pursue
a master's program.
619
00:39:11,260 --> 00:39:15,527
His mother was very proud
of his musical ability.
620
00:39:16,789 --> 00:39:19,356
He became involved
with Buddhism,
621
00:39:19,791 --> 00:39:21,663
and he and his parents
622
00:39:21,706 --> 00:39:25,492
were going to go to Japan
on a pilgrimage.
623
00:39:25,536 --> 00:39:27,842
His parents were paying
for the trip.
624
00:39:27,887 --> 00:39:30,063
He did not have
the money to do that.
625
00:39:31,717 --> 00:39:34,545
Gary was a gentle human being.
626
00:39:36,155 --> 00:39:39,027
- Gary wasn't like
a real dealer by any means.
627
00:39:39,072 --> 00:39:40,681
He was just a guy who sometimes
628
00:39:40,726 --> 00:39:42,684
helped to make ends meet
629
00:39:42,728 --> 00:39:45,251
by selling a little bit
of pot to his friends.
630
00:39:45,686 --> 00:39:48,081
Yeah, I did know
that Gary had some mescaline
631
00:39:48,123 --> 00:39:50,083
and Straight Satans
gave me some money
632
00:39:50,126 --> 00:39:51,693
to go score from Gary,
633
00:39:51,737 --> 00:39:54,086
and I went
and got mescaline for them.
634
00:39:54,782 --> 00:39:57,960
It was a really
stupid idea on my part
635
00:39:58,003 --> 00:40:00,135
that mescaline would be
a good thing
636
00:40:00,179 --> 00:40:02,661
to give to some bikers
for a party.
637
00:40:04,139 --> 00:40:08,143
They came back to me
and confronted me,
638
00:40:08,188 --> 00:40:10,451
saying that they thought
it was bunk.
639
00:40:10,494 --> 00:40:12,713
Some of the guys
had gotten sick on it.
640
00:40:12,757 --> 00:40:15,108
If guys are drinking beer
and popping red devils,
641
00:40:15,150 --> 00:40:17,239
they take mescaline
on top of that,
642
00:40:17,284 --> 00:40:19,112
yeah, they're gonna get sick.
643
00:40:20,025 --> 00:40:23,246
They wanted to get
their money back.
644
00:40:33,300 --> 00:40:36,085
I thought I could just explain
what the problem was,
645
00:40:36,128 --> 00:40:38,000
and he would give me
the money back.
646
00:40:40,175 --> 00:40:43,918
Bruce and Danny drove me over,
and Mary Brunner and Sadie
647
00:40:43,963 --> 00:40:45,833
asked me
if they could come along,
648
00:40:45,878 --> 00:40:47,445
because they were
friends of Gary's.
649
00:40:48,489 --> 00:40:51,797
Honestly, I didn't think
it was gonna be a big deal.
650
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,974
I had the gun because
Bruce had given it to me.
651
00:40:55,016 --> 00:40:57,454
I guess Danny recommended
that I take the gun,
652
00:40:57,498 --> 00:40:59,804
and that it'd be, you know,
this sort of confrontation.
653
00:40:59,847 --> 00:41:01,501
I didn't see it that way,
654
00:41:01,545 --> 00:41:04,157
because I didn't see
Gary that way.
655
00:41:05,244 --> 00:41:07,768
We talked about it, and I
told him what had happened,
656
00:41:07,813 --> 00:41:10,467
and he says, "Well, Bobby,
I don't have the money."
657
00:41:11,817 --> 00:41:14,123
He showed me his wallet
and his checkbook.
658
00:41:14,166 --> 00:41:17,126
He had $57
in his checking account
659
00:41:17,170 --> 00:41:18,954
and a few bucks in his wallet.
660
00:41:18,998 --> 00:41:21,652
And then I was starting
to get frantic.
661
00:41:22,523 --> 00:41:25,134
And so I did hit him with
the gun a couple of times.
662
00:41:25,177 --> 00:41:28,224
I didn't hit him very hard.
I'm just not that kind of guy.
663
00:41:28,268 --> 00:41:30,965
And that is exactly
what Gary said to me.
664
00:41:31,010 --> 00:41:33,621
He says,
"Bobby, this isn't you."
665
00:41:33,664 --> 00:41:35,797
You know, and I apologized.
666
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,800
I said, "I just... I need to
get something, Gary."
667
00:41:37,842 --> 00:41:39,844
I need to take something
back to these guys."
668
00:41:41,193 --> 00:41:43,675
I needed to be able
to look around the house
669
00:41:43,717 --> 00:41:46,373
for something that
might be worth some money.
670
00:41:46,894 --> 00:41:49,898
I gave the gun to Sadie,
told her, you know,
671
00:41:49,942 --> 00:41:53,335
like I'd seen done
in cowboy movies as a kid,
672
00:41:53,380 --> 00:41:56,208
"If he moves, shoot him."
673
00:41:58,036 --> 00:42:01,996
Sadie had begun yelling
that Gary had got the gun.
674
00:42:02,041 --> 00:42:04,347
I just immediately
ran into the kitchen
675
00:42:04,391 --> 00:42:07,349
and saw Gary trying
to turn the gun on me,
676
00:42:07,393 --> 00:42:09,527
and I just dove at him.
677
00:42:10,744 --> 00:42:12,355
I got my hands on the gun.
678
00:42:12,398 --> 00:42:16,577
As we were struggling,
then the gun went off.
679
00:42:20,625 --> 00:42:22,190
In that instant,
680
00:42:22,235 --> 00:42:24,367
with both of us looking
into each other's eyes,
681
00:42:24,411 --> 00:42:26,282
and I could see
the same thing in his eyes,
682
00:42:26,326 --> 00:42:27,893
that were... that I was feeling,
683
00:42:27,936 --> 00:42:31,025
which was,
"I wonder if I've been shot."
684
00:42:31,070 --> 00:42:33,072
I was able to take
the gun from him.
685
00:42:34,376 --> 00:42:36,902
We both calmed down.
I put the gun away.
686
00:42:36,945 --> 00:42:40,166
And Gary and I sat down
at the table again.
687
00:42:41,123 --> 00:42:44,431
We came to the solution
that he would sign over
688
00:42:44,474 --> 00:42:49,217
the pink slips to his VW bus
and that little jalopy.
689
00:42:49,262 --> 00:42:52,264
The two of them
probably weren't worth
690
00:42:52,307 --> 00:42:55,268
what I was in debt
to the bikers over.
691
00:42:55,311 --> 00:42:57,965
What I didn't know at the time
692
00:42:58,010 --> 00:43:01,753
was that one of the women
had called the ranch.
693
00:43:04,277 --> 00:43:05,800
- The phone rang.
694
00:43:05,844 --> 00:43:08,237
There wasn't anybody else
around, so I answered it.
695
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,980
And it was Mary Brunner,
and she said, "Get Charlie."
696
00:43:15,201 --> 00:43:18,639
- After Gary had given me the
title to the two little cars,
697
00:43:18,682 --> 00:43:21,250
we were on cordial terms again.
698
00:43:21,293 --> 00:43:24,340
Call it water under the bridge
and leave it behind.
699
00:43:26,211 --> 00:43:29,911
We became aware that someone
was coming to the front door,
700
00:43:29,954 --> 00:43:32,347
and Gary went to answer it.
701
00:43:32,391 --> 00:43:36,090
And he opened the door,
and said, "Hi, Charlie."
702
00:43:36,135 --> 00:43:38,353
And Charlie stepped
into the front door
703
00:43:38,398 --> 00:43:39,809
and just slashed him
across the face,
704
00:43:39,833 --> 00:43:42,141
not a word, without warning.
705
00:43:43,489 --> 00:43:46,536
I said, "Charlie,
why did you do that?"
706
00:43:46,579 --> 00:43:51,280
And he said, exact words,
"Showing you how to be a man."
707
00:43:54,327 --> 00:43:57,764
And then Bruce turned to Gary
and says, "Where's the gun?"
708
00:43:57,809 --> 00:43:59,461
And I said, "I've got it."
709
00:43:59,505 --> 00:44:02,465
Bruce took the gun, as quick
as they came, they left,
710
00:44:02,509 --> 00:44:05,164
and Charlie said, "Tell them
to clean this mess up."
711
00:44:06,512 --> 00:44:07,688
Gary was bleeding.
712
00:44:07,731 --> 00:44:09,472
He was holding his hand
up to his cheek,
713
00:44:09,516 --> 00:44:12,998
and maybe I was just horrified
and Gary was horrified.
714
00:44:15,260 --> 00:44:18,481
I spent the next day with Gary.
715
00:44:18,525 --> 00:44:23,661
And I didn't know what
the fuck to do at that point.
716
00:44:24,096 --> 00:44:28,012
I was getting increasingly
desperate over the situation.
717
00:44:30,929 --> 00:44:32,670
So I called the ranch.
718
00:44:34,889 --> 00:44:36,431
And got Charlie
on the phone and I said,
719
00:44:36,456 --> 00:44:39,197
"Man, you know,
you created this problem,
720
00:44:39,240 --> 00:44:41,722
"and I need you to take it back,
721
00:44:41,766 --> 00:44:43,855
because I don't know
what to do."
722
00:44:44,376 --> 00:44:46,378
And he said something
to the effect,
723
00:44:46,422 --> 00:44:49,860
"You know what to do as well
as I do," and hung up on me.
724
00:44:54,387 --> 00:44:58,260
And maybe a half hour later,
I stabbed Gary to death.
725
00:45:09,576 --> 00:45:13,014
- He was found in the living
room directly up here,
726
00:45:13,057 --> 00:45:15,842
and he was lying on his back
with multiple stab wounds.
727
00:45:15,887 --> 00:45:17,844
He had been dead
approximately one week
728
00:45:17,889 --> 00:45:20,717
at the time that he was found.
729
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,590
After we entered the home,
we saw signs of a struggle,
730
00:45:23,632 --> 00:45:26,244
and it appeared as though
there had been a
731
00:45:26,940 --> 00:45:29,074
some degree of violence.
732
00:45:31,076 --> 00:45:33,208
I would never have
killed a man had Charlie
733
00:45:33,251 --> 00:45:36,210
not come into Gary's home,
slashed his face,
734
00:45:36,255 --> 00:45:39,954
and then left me there
with that responsibility.
735
00:45:44,088 --> 00:45:46,744
I don't remember writing
in blood on the wall.
736
00:45:46,786 --> 00:45:48,920
I don't know that I did that.
737
00:45:50,007 --> 00:45:52,445
I had always assumed it was me.
738
00:45:57,449 --> 00:46:02,672
- I had seen Bobby and Mary
and Susan Atkins
739
00:46:02,715 --> 00:46:04,936
kind of huddled and whispering.
740
00:46:06,284 --> 00:46:08,242
The twinkle in his eye was gone.
741
00:46:08,286 --> 00:46:12,769
He looked scared
and didn't look like Bobby.
742
00:46:12,813 --> 00:46:14,074
So I asked him,
"What's wrong?"
743
00:46:14,119 --> 00:46:15,989
And he said, "Nothing."
744
00:46:16,034 --> 00:46:19,777
So, I said, "Okay."
And I just kept on walking.
745
00:46:29,655 --> 00:46:33,181
- Bobby Beausoleil,
in his stupidity,
746
00:46:33,224 --> 00:46:36,489
gets into the car of
the murder victim, Gary Hinman,
747
00:46:36,532 --> 00:46:40,144
and he drives 120 miles
to San Luis Obispo.
748
00:46:44,235 --> 00:46:49,458
- And drove off in Gary's car
with the murder weapon.
749
00:46:49,501 --> 00:46:51,634
- It was very early
in the morning.
750
00:46:51,677 --> 00:46:53,288
The car broke down.
751
00:46:53,331 --> 00:46:54,985
The engine was still smoking
752
00:46:55,028 --> 00:46:56,943
when the Highway Patrol car
passed by.
753
00:46:56,987 --> 00:46:58,728
So I jumped into the back seat
754
00:46:58,771 --> 00:47:01,295
and pretended to be asleep.
755
00:47:01,340 --> 00:47:05,126
I didn't know what I thought
that would do to help.
756
00:47:05,170 --> 00:47:06,606
- The highway patrolman
discovered,
757
00:47:06,648 --> 00:47:10,130
it is the car of the murder
victim, Gary Hinman.
758
00:47:10,175 --> 00:47:12,177
Mr. Beausoleil was arrested,
759
00:47:12,219 --> 00:47:14,961
accused of first-degree murder.
760
00:47:27,365 --> 00:47:30,760
- After the murder,
Charlie leaves town.
761
00:47:31,326 --> 00:47:33,067
Things were getting
too crazy in L.A.
762
00:47:39,813 --> 00:47:42,947
- When I met Charlie,
I was 17 on a road trip.
763
00:47:44,556 --> 00:47:46,601
And we were on our way home,
it was probably about,
764
00:47:46,646 --> 00:47:48,516
I don't know, 3:00
in the morning or something.
765
00:47:48,561 --> 00:47:50,780
We stopped for gas.
766
00:47:50,824 --> 00:47:53,130
I went to go to the bathroom.
767
00:47:54,045 --> 00:47:55,916
There was Charlie,
768
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:57,396
and a couple of fellows,
I think,
769
00:47:57,438 --> 00:48:00,094
that were just hitchhiking
were with him as well.
770
00:48:04,577 --> 00:48:06,771
He said some things, like,
"Well, what's a beautiful girl
771
00:48:06,795 --> 00:48:10,061
like you out here
so late at night?"
772
00:48:10,103 --> 00:48:12,106
And in just
a short period of time,
773
00:48:12,150 --> 00:48:13,193
he was able to tell me
774
00:48:13,237 --> 00:48:14,934
everything I ever
wanted to hear.
775
00:48:14,978 --> 00:48:16,545
"I bet your dad
doesn't really love you.
776
00:48:16,588 --> 00:48:19,244
I bet nobody really
takes you seriously."
777
00:48:21,855 --> 00:48:23,943
And I was like, wow, you know?
778
00:48:23,987 --> 00:48:26,903
And I saw there was guitars
in his van,
779
00:48:26,947 --> 00:48:29,079
and I thought,
"This is neat."
780
00:48:29,340 --> 00:48:31,298
We were near Big Sur,
781
00:48:31,342 --> 00:48:34,041
and I had always
wanted to see Big Sur.
782
00:48:34,085 --> 00:48:35,913
So I don't know what happened.
783
00:48:35,956 --> 00:48:38,916
I told the fellow
that I was with,
784
00:48:38,958 --> 00:48:41,918
I said, "I'm gonna go
with these guys."
785
00:48:41,961 --> 00:48:45,269
The attraction
was just immediate.
786
00:48:45,313 --> 00:48:47,054
Yeah.
787
00:48:54,278 --> 00:48:57,498
We pulled up
to the Esalen Institute.
788
00:48:57,543 --> 00:48:59,414
He took his guitar
and he told me,
789
00:48:59,458 --> 00:49:02,242
"Stay in the van
while I go in there
790
00:49:02,286 --> 00:49:04,942
and I'll be back
in a little bit."
791
00:49:04,985 --> 00:49:08,032
So, okay, so I just waited.
792
00:49:12,992 --> 00:49:15,603
I think that he was thinking
that they were gonna be
793
00:49:15,648 --> 00:49:18,606
really blown away by his talent,
794
00:49:18,650 --> 00:49:21,349
and, you know,
his music abilities,
795
00:49:21,393 --> 00:49:24,570
and, you know, ask him to come
back and possibly pay him.
796
00:49:26,876 --> 00:49:29,967
But, uh, they didn't.
797
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,623
He was pretty upset
when he came back.
798
00:49:34,666 --> 00:49:37,626
The fact that these people
were not impressed
799
00:49:37,670 --> 00:49:40,978
with his talent made him angry.
800
00:49:43,240 --> 00:49:45,112
Put his guitar in the van,
801
00:49:45,155 --> 00:49:48,985
and hardly said, you know,
two words, and off we went.
802
00:49:57,081 --> 00:49:59,692
When we met at
the gas station, I said,
803
00:49:59,735 --> 00:50:01,911
"If I go to Big Sur with you,
804
00:50:01,954 --> 00:50:05,480
will you take me to
San Diego to get my things?"
805
00:50:05,523 --> 00:50:08,266
And he promised me
that he would.
806
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:10,702
And he did.
807
00:50:18,362 --> 00:50:21,844
We spent a couple of hours
with my sister
808
00:50:21,887 --> 00:50:25,847
and Charlie,
and my sister's boyfriend,
809
00:50:25,891 --> 00:50:29,199
and I don't think
they were happy.
810
00:50:29,635 --> 00:50:32,246
You know, they were
on the outside looking in,
811
00:50:32,289 --> 00:50:34,335
and I don't think
they were real glad
812
00:50:34,378 --> 00:50:38,773
that I was going with him,
but nevertheless, I was, so.
813
00:50:41,211 --> 00:50:42,690
Basically, I didn't take much.
814
00:50:42,735 --> 00:50:46,739
A few clothes, my dog,
and my guitar.
815
00:50:56,269 --> 00:50:58,184
When we pulled up to the ranch,
816
00:50:58,228 --> 00:50:59,708
everything was turned over.
817
00:50:59,751 --> 00:51:03,190
Any clothes that I brought
went into a communal pile.
818
00:51:03,233 --> 00:51:05,626
My driver's license,
any money I had,
819
00:51:05,670 --> 00:51:08,195
which was probably
very, very little.
820
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,110
Everything that
we had went into,
821
00:51:10,153 --> 00:51:12,199
like a communal pot,
822
00:51:12,242 --> 00:51:14,375
and everybody
just used whatever.
823
00:51:14,418 --> 00:51:17,422
Kind of gave up
your identity, you know?
824
00:51:30,782 --> 00:51:35,961
- I asked Charlie, "Hey, do
you know what's up with Bobby?"
825
00:51:36,005 --> 00:51:39,922
He said, "Yeah, he got busted
in a dead man's car,
826
00:51:39,965 --> 00:51:41,750
and now he's in for murder."
827
00:51:41,793 --> 00:51:44,143
And I said, "Bobby?"
828
00:51:44,188 --> 00:51:47,407
And he kind of said it
with disdain.
829
00:51:47,452 --> 00:51:49,757
And I said,
"Well, what jail is he in?
830
00:51:49,802 --> 00:51:51,019
I'll go see him."
831
00:51:51,498 --> 00:51:53,458
And he said,
"I've got this covered.
832
00:51:53,501 --> 00:51:55,503
You stay out of it."
833
00:52:13,913 --> 00:52:16,655
- In my world,
there is no wrong.
834
00:52:20,179 --> 00:52:22,835
You think that my mind is
like your mind, but it isn't.
835
00:52:25,097 --> 00:52:28,144
This confusion belongs to you.
It's your confusion.
836
00:52:32,061 --> 00:52:36,152
Living is what scares me.
Dying is easy.
837
00:52:38,893 --> 00:52:40,853
- But there is something
else here.
838
00:52:40,896 --> 00:52:45,684
We have known what Manson did
without understanding why.
839
00:52:46,554 --> 00:52:49,643
- Charlie played a different
role for each one of us.
840
00:52:49,688 --> 00:52:52,298
- We were everything
to each other.
841
00:52:52,342 --> 00:52:54,822
- This wasn't
what I signed up for.
842
00:52:54,867 --> 00:52:56,824
- These were America's children.
843
00:52:56,869 --> 00:53:00,525
- It was the '60s.
It was a perfect storm.
844
00:53:00,568 --> 00:53:03,222
- People have been
brainwashed to believe
845
00:53:03,266 --> 00:53:05,530
the real reason
behind these murders
846
00:53:05,572 --> 00:53:07,532
was to start a race war.
847
00:53:08,576 --> 00:53:10,534
He said,
"Will you die for me?"
848
00:53:11,971 --> 00:53:14,842
- Helter Skelter
simply means confusion.
849
00:54:08,027 --> 00:54:10,246
- Greg, move your head.
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