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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:28,994 --> 00:00:32,480 In October 2018, the anonymous street artist 4 00:00:32,515 --> 00:00:35,242 known as Banksy published this video online. 5 00:00:37,071 --> 00:00:39,522 In it, he can be seen preparing a custom frame 6 00:00:39,556 --> 00:00:41,765 for his painting, Girl with Balloon. 7 00:00:43,215 --> 00:00:46,563 The painting is about to be offered for sale at Sotheby's, 8 00:00:46,598 --> 00:00:49,739 one of the world's most exclusive auction houses. 9 00:00:55,779 --> 00:00:56,987 I have $30,000 dollars. 10 00:00:57,022 --> 00:00:58,644 Have we got 32,000? 11 00:00:58,886 --> 00:01:02,027 The event was a typical art auction. 12 00:01:03,132 --> 00:01:06,376 Banksy's lot was the last lot of the evening. 13 00:01:06,411 --> 00:01:09,448 The piece sold for over a million US. 14 00:01:09,931 --> 00:01:14,488 Last chance at 850,000 pounds. 15 00:01:14,833 --> 00:01:16,628 The gavel came down, sold, gone, sold. 16 00:01:16,662 --> 00:01:19,182 Selling for 860,000. 17 00:01:19,217 --> 00:01:22,530 As the hammer struck, 18 00:01:22,565 --> 00:01:25,326 the work started to fall through the frame. 19 00:01:28,778 --> 00:01:30,435 And as it did, it shredded. 20 00:01:31,850 --> 00:01:35,578 And everybody witnessed in horror as it was destroyed. 21 00:01:40,376 --> 00:01:42,447 I was like 22 00:01:43,482 --> 00:01:45,243 Street artist Banksy pulled off 23 00:01:45,277 --> 00:01:48,522 one of the greatest pranks in the history of the art world. 24 00:01:48,556 --> 00:01:50,144 It caused a huge stir. 25 00:01:50,179 --> 00:01:52,353 I mean, nothing like that had ever happened. 26 00:01:58,394 --> 00:02:00,879 That stunt has already increased the value 27 00:02:00,913 --> 00:02:03,847 of that painting up to $7 million. 28 00:02:03,882 --> 00:02:07,023 It plays on people's fears and emotions 29 00:02:07,057 --> 00:02:08,852 and what true value is. 30 00:02:08,887 --> 00:02:11,200 Where do we place value in society? 31 00:02:11,234 --> 00:02:13,133 Who does art belong to? 32 00:02:13,512 --> 00:02:15,928 He created an art history moment 33 00:02:15,963 --> 00:02:18,414 and wrote himself again into the history books. 34 00:02:46,235 --> 00:02:48,616 The stunt atSotheby's wasn't the first time 35 00:02:48,651 --> 00:02:50,515 that Banksy had ambushed one of the august 36 00:02:50,549 --> 00:02:52,172 institutions of the art world. 37 00:02:53,656 --> 00:02:57,177 15 years earlier, in the winter of 2003, 38 00:02:57,211 --> 00:02:59,593 a mysterious figure entered Tate Britain, 39 00:02:59,627 --> 00:03:02,285 one of the UK's most prestigious art museums 40 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:04,149 and placed a painting on the wall. 41 00:03:06,151 --> 00:03:09,085 Over the following 18 months, fake exhibits appeared 42 00:03:09,119 --> 00:03:12,744 in London's Natural History Museum, the Louvre in Paris, 43 00:03:12,778 --> 00:03:15,850 and the Museum of Modern Art in New York, 44 00:03:15,885 --> 00:03:19,613 all covertly installed by the same anonymous stranger. 45 00:03:21,546 --> 00:03:25,274 He went through seven different galleries, 46 00:03:25,308 --> 00:03:30,037 putting seven different works of art up in these galleries. 47 00:03:30,071 --> 00:03:32,488 The one in the Metropolitan Museum of Art 48 00:03:32,522 --> 00:03:34,904 only lasted two hours, which was understandable, 49 00:03:34,938 --> 00:03:38,804 because it was a painting of a rather posh-looking lady. 50 00:03:38,839 --> 00:03:42,981 She had a gas mask on, and that was spotted very quickly. 51 00:03:43,015 --> 00:03:45,363 But the one in the Museum of Art, 52 00:03:45,397 --> 00:03:47,261 that lasted for several days, 53 00:03:47,296 --> 00:03:51,748 because it was a painting of a Tesco can of soup, 54 00:03:51,783 --> 00:03:54,544 and it looked just like the Warhol cans of soup, 55 00:03:54,579 --> 00:03:56,270 and no one noticed it. 56 00:03:56,305 --> 00:03:58,272 It was a daring thing to do. 57 00:03:58,307 --> 00:04:00,240 He did it, he got away with it, 58 00:04:00,274 --> 00:04:02,242 and everyone suddenly knew his name. 59 00:04:04,692 --> 00:04:07,212 But a name was all the public had. 60 00:04:08,109 --> 00:04:10,388 Everything else remained a mystery. 61 00:04:10,422 --> 00:04:12,907 Who was the secretive artist that had evaded 62 00:04:12,942 --> 00:04:15,013 some of the world's tightest security 63 00:04:15,047 --> 00:04:17,843 to hang his own work alongside that of Monet, 64 00:04:17,878 --> 00:04:19,397 Picasso, and Warhol? 65 00:04:20,915 --> 00:04:22,917 Was he just one person? 66 00:04:22,952 --> 00:04:25,161 Or was Banksy a group of people? 67 00:04:25,575 --> 00:04:28,889 Was he hiding his identity because he was already famous, 68 00:04:28,923 --> 00:04:32,755 someone known to the public, perhaps a musician or actor? 69 00:04:34,757 --> 00:04:37,000 The stunts themselves contained clues. 70 00:04:38,554 --> 00:04:41,695 Banksy had launched anaudacious game of cat and mouse. 71 00:04:42,868 --> 00:04:44,698 At the Tate, he had risked arrest 72 00:04:44,732 --> 00:04:46,286 to bring his art to the public. 73 00:04:47,770 --> 00:04:51,325 In the Met, his piece had been quickly removed by curators 74 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,534 who were sure that it didn't belong in a gallery. 75 00:04:54,466 --> 00:04:57,952 And at Sotheby's, Banksy had performed an act of vandalism. 76 00:04:59,368 --> 00:05:02,647 And it was with vandalism that it had all started. 77 00:05:19,388 --> 00:05:22,011 Graffiti hasbeen used to start revolutions, 78 00:05:22,045 --> 00:05:24,324 start wars, and generally is the voice 79 00:05:24,358 --> 00:05:26,774 of the people who aren't listened to. 80 00:05:26,809 --> 00:05:28,120 Graffiti is one of the few tools you have 81 00:05:28,155 --> 00:05:29,812 if you have almost nothing. 82 00:05:31,020 --> 00:05:32,642 And even if you don't come up with a picture 83 00:05:32,677 --> 00:05:34,886 to cure world poverty, you can make 84 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:36,991 someone smile when they're having a piss. 85 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:41,617 Graffiti isn't an art form. 86 00:05:42,203 --> 00:05:45,103 Graffiti is a reaction, 87 00:05:46,035 --> 00:05:47,450 an impulse, 88 00:05:47,485 --> 00:05:49,659 is like a spark. 89 00:05:50,798 --> 00:05:54,319 Dynamic, explosive, unpredictable. 90 00:05:54,354 --> 00:05:56,356 Some people say graffiti ruined my life 91 00:05:56,390 --> 00:05:58,634 and some people say graffiti saved my life. 92 00:06:00,083 --> 00:06:00,843 A rush. 93 00:06:02,085 --> 00:06:02,776 It's an addiction. 94 00:06:03,777 --> 00:06:07,056 The rush, I think, is sort of a consequence of it all. 95 00:06:07,090 --> 00:06:10,162 You're scared, and your blood is pumping, 96 00:06:10,197 --> 00:06:11,785 and your adrenaline is pumping. 97 00:06:11,819 --> 00:06:14,339 But really you're doing it for the recognition 98 00:06:14,374 --> 00:06:15,375 and not the rush. 99 00:06:16,686 --> 00:06:20,310 Running round a city and getting your name up 100 00:06:20,345 --> 00:06:22,243 in as many places as you possible can. 101 00:06:23,141 --> 00:06:24,453 The more risky, the better. 102 00:06:25,695 --> 00:06:30,182 You want your name as big as possible in lights. 103 00:06:31,770 --> 00:06:33,945 It's fucking ridiculous, but. 104 00:06:38,432 --> 00:06:42,609 Graffiti is always the heartbeat of society. 105 00:06:44,542 --> 00:06:48,338 It captures what's going on at that time, in that moment. 106 00:06:48,373 --> 00:06:51,134 For every Banksy that's on top and is visible, 107 00:06:51,169 --> 00:06:54,724 you've got hundreds that may be underground and invisible. 108 00:07:25,997 --> 00:07:28,378 Graffiti emerged in Philadelphia 109 00:07:28,413 --> 00:07:32,521 and then New York in the late '60s and early '70s. 110 00:07:32,555 --> 00:07:35,144 The city was in quote/unquote crisis. 111 00:07:36,766 --> 00:07:40,701 It was a city that didn't have much revenue. 112 00:07:40,736 --> 00:07:42,047 There was a lot of crime, 113 00:07:42,082 --> 00:07:44,878 there was a lot of drugs, a lot of poverty. 114 00:07:45,948 --> 00:07:47,605 Graffiti writing started in neighborhoods 115 00:07:47,639 --> 00:07:51,781 like the Upper West Side of Manhattan, the Bronx, 116 00:07:51,816 --> 00:07:54,059 Flatbush Avenue in Brooklyn, and it was a movement 117 00:07:54,094 --> 00:07:57,753 started by young kids that were writing their names 118 00:07:57,787 --> 00:08:00,721 with their street numbers on the walls around town 119 00:08:00,756 --> 00:08:04,414 to get recognized in some way. 120 00:08:04,449 --> 00:08:07,279 Sort of a game of tag. 121 00:08:07,314 --> 00:08:09,040 You're actually putting your name on a place 122 00:08:09,074 --> 00:08:10,628 and sort of putting it more and more and more 123 00:08:10,662 --> 00:08:12,112 and exposing yourself more, 124 00:08:12,146 --> 00:08:13,423 and then someone else is coming in, 125 00:08:13,458 --> 00:08:15,529 following you and doing the same thing. 126 00:08:15,564 --> 00:08:19,395 The game exploded when kids decided 127 00:08:19,429 --> 00:08:21,984 to leave their streets and go to the next street 128 00:08:22,018 --> 00:08:23,503 and the next street and the next street 129 00:08:23,537 --> 00:08:25,953 and the next neighborhood and the neighborhood after that. 130 00:08:26,816 --> 00:08:28,956 And it became hugely popular. 131 00:08:28,991 --> 00:08:32,581 The taller and wider people sprayed their names, 132 00:08:32,615 --> 00:08:34,203 then somebody came up with the bright idea 133 00:08:34,237 --> 00:08:38,172 of putting a second color round their name. 134 00:08:38,207 --> 00:08:40,796 And before you know it, the stick letters 135 00:08:40,830 --> 00:08:44,282 of small names on the back of bus seats 136 00:08:44,316 --> 00:08:47,561 had turned into seven-foot-high letters 137 00:08:47,596 --> 00:08:48,907 on the side of subway trains. 138 00:08:50,012 --> 00:08:54,050 And so then it really exploded and became an art movement. 139 00:09:06,856 --> 00:09:10,239 Painting, or bombing,New York's subways system 140 00:09:10,273 --> 00:09:13,760 soon became the primary focus for young graffiti writers 141 00:09:13,794 --> 00:09:17,142 obsessed with having their nameseen as widely as possible. 142 00:09:18,627 --> 00:09:21,457 The nascent art movement developed its own grammar, 143 00:09:21,491 --> 00:09:23,839 rules, and culture, all based around 144 00:09:23,873 --> 00:09:26,911 rendering letter forms, from the tag, 145 00:09:26,945 --> 00:09:30,604 a signature scrawled quicklywith a spray can or marker pen, 146 00:09:30,639 --> 00:09:33,331 all the way up to the piece, a large-scale, 147 00:09:33,365 --> 00:09:35,713 stylized depiction of the artist's name. 148 00:09:37,956 --> 00:09:41,615 In 1983, the public was given its first glimpse 149 00:09:41,650 --> 00:09:44,653 inside the graffiti underground, with Tony Silver 150 00:09:44,687 --> 00:09:47,794 and Henry Chalfant's landmark film "Style Wars". 151 00:09:48,795 --> 00:09:51,625 For many, Style Wars depicted a strange, criminal, 152 00:09:51,660 --> 00:09:53,593 and dangerous subculture. 153 00:09:53,627 --> 00:09:56,837 But for others, it proved to be an inspiration. 154 00:09:57,458 --> 00:10:01,083 It was a new universe that was being showcased. 155 00:10:01,117 --> 00:10:04,534 And it was like, "Oh my god, I gotta get a piece of this." 156 00:10:04,569 --> 00:10:06,709 It became a guidebook for many people. 157 00:10:06,744 --> 00:10:08,504 You know, where it was like 158 00:10:08,538 --> 00:10:10,713 this is how it's supposed to be done. 159 00:10:18,100 --> 00:10:19,273 People don't know what I look like 160 00:10:19,308 --> 00:10:22,967 until now, until they start going to the movies. 161 00:10:23,001 --> 00:10:24,451 They're gonna see my face. 162 00:10:24,485 --> 00:10:25,314 Big deal. 163 00:10:29,249 --> 00:10:31,976 Traveling round a city on transport, and just like, 164 00:10:32,010 --> 00:10:34,323 "There's my tag, there's my tag, there's my tag." 165 00:10:37,982 --> 00:10:40,950 It makes you feel like you own the city. 166 00:10:40,985 --> 00:10:43,470 It's like, when you paint a train 167 00:10:43,504 --> 00:10:45,852 and you see your train running, you know, 168 00:10:45,886 --> 00:10:48,924 just the terminology: I saw my train running. 169 00:10:50,063 --> 00:10:52,168 It isn't a train that somebody catches to work, 170 00:10:52,203 --> 00:10:56,586 this is my train with my name on it, and it's running. 171 00:10:59,313 --> 00:11:02,696 Graffiti gives this young individual 172 00:11:02,731 --> 00:11:05,319 some kind of ownership when they have nothing. 173 00:11:06,942 --> 00:11:09,807 It's a matter of bombing, knowing that I can do it. 174 00:11:09,841 --> 00:11:11,809 Every time I get in the train, almost every day 175 00:11:11,843 --> 00:11:13,569 I see my name, and I said, "Yeah, you know what, 176 00:11:13,603 --> 00:11:15,088 "I was there, I bombed it." 177 00:11:16,261 --> 00:11:17,746 It's for me, it's not for nobody else to see. 178 00:11:17,780 --> 00:11:20,749 I don't care about nobody else seeing it 179 00:11:20,783 --> 00:11:22,854 or the face if they can read it or not. 180 00:11:22,889 --> 00:11:26,168 It's for me and other graffiti writers that we can read it. 181 00:11:26,202 --> 00:11:28,342 All these other people who don't right, they're excluded. 182 00:11:28,377 --> 00:11:29,792 I don't care about them. 183 00:11:29,827 --> 00:11:31,069 They don't matter to me. 184 00:11:32,415 --> 00:11:34,728 But young writers soon found 185 00:11:34,763 --> 00:11:36,143 that the pursuit of their art 186 00:11:36,178 --> 00:11:38,456 meant facing the full wrath of the law. 187 00:11:39,802 --> 00:11:42,356 As complaints from the public increased, 188 00:11:42,391 --> 00:11:46,360 New York's civil authorities announced a war on graffiti, 189 00:11:46,395 --> 00:11:48,742 described the artists as outlaws, 190 00:11:48,777 --> 00:11:51,262 and linked the prevalence of tags to an upsurge 191 00:11:51,296 --> 00:11:54,575 in other, more serious forms of crime. 192 00:11:54,610 --> 00:11:55,956 I think it's the most disgusting thing 193 00:11:55,991 --> 00:11:57,199 that New York City has. 194 00:11:57,233 --> 00:11:58,925 This station was just recently painted 195 00:11:58,959 --> 00:12:01,237 a couple of weeks ago, and they seem to know 196 00:12:01,272 --> 00:12:03,343 when you're gonna paint the station, and that night 197 00:12:03,377 --> 00:12:05,517 the station will be, end up almost just like this. 198 00:12:05,552 --> 00:12:07,002 Graffiti in New York has become 199 00:12:07,036 --> 00:12:09,073 a deep-rooted social problem 200 00:12:09,107 --> 00:12:10,902 that has bubbled up from the underground 201 00:12:10,937 --> 00:12:15,873 to consume public buildings, road signs, bus shelters, 202 00:12:15,907 --> 00:12:18,772 and, what's even more disturbing, people's homes. 203 00:12:18,807 --> 00:12:21,741 It's just a general and pervasive lack 204 00:12:21,775 --> 00:12:23,156 of consideration for other people. 205 00:12:23,190 --> 00:12:24,571 I think that's the bottom line. 206 00:12:24,605 --> 00:12:26,159 -I think graffiti's-- -To us, it's art. 207 00:12:26,193 --> 00:12:28,195 -What? -To us, it's art, you know? 208 00:12:28,230 --> 00:12:29,783 It's not a crime, but, you know, 209 00:12:29,818 --> 00:12:31,647 if the government give us some right to do, 210 00:12:31,681 --> 00:12:33,269 we could make it look nice, you know what I'm sayin'? 211 00:12:33,304 --> 00:12:34,995 Like for example, 212 00:12:35,030 --> 00:12:36,410 say you lived in this building. 213 00:12:36,445 --> 00:12:37,342 Yeah, but. 214 00:12:37,377 --> 00:12:38,343 You don't live in this building. 215 00:12:38,378 --> 00:12:39,620 You're comin' into your house, 216 00:12:39,655 --> 00:12:41,450 you're drawing on this guy's house. 217 00:12:41,484 --> 00:12:45,419 This argument that graffiti is bad 218 00:12:45,454 --> 00:12:48,457 and that graffiti should be treated as a blight 219 00:12:48,491 --> 00:12:52,081 and that it should be treated as a crime 220 00:12:52,116 --> 00:12:56,983 became more the accepted point of view. 221 00:12:57,017 --> 00:13:00,883 The legal argument did actuallyhijack the art discussion. 222 00:13:00,918 --> 00:13:03,023 It was an approach that has come to define 223 00:13:03,058 --> 00:13:05,646 the relationship between street artists 224 00:13:05,681 --> 00:13:09,098 and authority ever since and would ultimately become 225 00:13:09,133 --> 00:13:11,204 a central theme in Banksy's work. 226 00:13:12,274 --> 00:13:14,241 Battle lines were drawn, 227 00:13:14,276 --> 00:13:15,829 and the artists were permanently cast 228 00:13:15,864 --> 00:13:18,004 as belonging to the criminal underground. 229 00:13:20,489 --> 00:13:22,836 Mayor Ed Koch signed a law a few weeks ago 230 00:13:22,871 --> 00:13:25,839 that makes it illegal for a merchant to sell spray paint 231 00:13:25,874 --> 00:13:28,462 or broad-tipped markers to minors. 232 00:13:28,497 --> 00:13:30,154 But graffiti writers for the most part 233 00:13:30,188 --> 00:13:33,157 don't buy their paint; they steal it. 234 00:13:33,191 --> 00:13:34,986 Ski One, who writes in Upper Manhattan, 235 00:13:35,021 --> 00:13:36,954 says that, while a friend distracts 236 00:13:36,988 --> 00:13:39,508 the storekeeper, he fills a bag. 237 00:13:39,542 --> 00:13:42,166 You say some kind of can that they don't have, 238 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:43,857 it could be hard for them to look for it. 239 00:13:43,892 --> 00:13:45,203 By the time they look for it, 240 00:13:45,238 --> 00:13:47,861 I'll have 250 cans, 300 hundred. 241 00:13:47,896 --> 00:13:49,690 -In your duffel bag? -Yeah. 242 00:13:51,969 --> 00:13:56,974 It could ruin your career, yourfamily, your relationships. 243 00:13:57,871 --> 00:13:59,873 If you decide to be that kind of a person, 244 00:13:59,908 --> 00:14:01,599 that kind of an artist, you have to be 245 00:14:01,633 --> 00:14:03,428 well aware of those consequences. 246 00:14:03,670 --> 00:14:04,705 You want your work to be seen 247 00:14:04,740 --> 00:14:06,500 by as many people as possible. 248 00:14:06,535 --> 00:14:10,125 But conversely, you want to stay as anonymous as possible. 249 00:14:15,302 --> 00:14:17,304 Graffiti was only one part 250 00:14:17,339 --> 00:14:19,306 of the broader youth culture that emerged 251 00:14:19,341 --> 00:14:21,067 from New York in the '70s and '80s. 252 00:14:22,275 --> 00:14:24,484 Although it had developed independently, 253 00:14:24,518 --> 00:14:27,176 the art for becameinseparabley linked to hip hop, 254 00:14:27,211 --> 00:14:31,008 a new type of music and dance that, like graffiti, 255 00:14:31,042 --> 00:14:33,286 was an improvised, DIY scene 256 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,185 born of the same desolate urban landscapes: 257 00:14:36,220 --> 00:14:38,774 The Bronx, Manhattan, and Brooklyn. 258 00:14:39,913 --> 00:14:42,916 Style War presented DJ-ing, rapping, 259 00:14:42,951 --> 00:14:45,988 break dancing, and graffiti as expressions 260 00:14:46,023 --> 00:14:48,991 of this same hip hop sub-culture. 261 00:14:49,026 --> 00:14:53,306 When Tony and Henry created this film, 262 00:14:53,340 --> 00:14:55,722 it seemed like it was all together 263 00:14:55,756 --> 00:14:59,139 and it was all this hip hop package. 264 00:14:59,174 --> 00:15:01,521 The young kids that received that from around the world 265 00:15:01,555 --> 00:15:03,488 decided that it was only one thing. 266 00:15:03,523 --> 00:15:04,904 They didn't just do the graffiti, 267 00:15:04,938 --> 00:15:08,286 they didn't just do the DJ-ing or the dancing. 268 00:15:08,321 --> 00:15:09,494 They had to do it all. 269 00:15:10,392 --> 00:15:12,049 Alongside Style Wars, 270 00:15:12,083 --> 00:15:14,775 Henry Chalfant published Subway Art, 271 00:15:14,810 --> 00:15:17,433 a book of the best images from the subway system, 272 00:15:17,468 --> 00:15:20,540 in collaboration with photo journalist Martha Cooper. 273 00:15:22,059 --> 00:15:24,854 The music, book, and film spread graffiti 274 00:15:24,889 --> 00:15:27,064 beyond the perimeter of New York City, 275 00:15:27,098 --> 00:15:31,102 to walls, trains, and overpasses across the planet. 276 00:15:34,347 --> 00:15:36,832 I consider Style Wars and Subway Art 277 00:15:36,866 --> 00:15:38,903 the holy grail of graffiti, right? 278 00:15:38,938 --> 00:15:41,388 I went out and I stole two cans of spray paint, 279 00:15:41,423 --> 00:15:44,840 which I learned became part of the sport of graffiti. 280 00:15:44,874 --> 00:15:46,014 You had to rack your paint. 281 00:15:46,048 --> 00:15:47,567 And I went to my high school that night, 282 00:15:47,601 --> 00:15:50,604 and I had like two cans of white, two cans of red, 283 00:15:50,639 --> 00:15:52,572 and I sat out there, and I was waiting for it to get dark, 284 00:15:52,606 --> 00:15:53,504 and I couldn't even wait. 285 00:15:53,538 --> 00:15:54,677 It was like dusk. 286 00:15:54,712 --> 00:15:55,885 I jumped the fence, went in there, 287 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:57,059 did this big surf piece, and it was terrible. 288 00:15:57,094 --> 00:15:59,096 I mean, just the ugliest thing you ever saw. 289 00:15:59,130 --> 00:16:00,925 The next day I got to school, and I was all bummed out, 290 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:02,720 'cause it wasn't like the photos I saw. 291 00:16:02,754 --> 00:16:04,273 But I saw a huge crowd around it, 292 00:16:04,308 --> 00:16:05,550 and everyone was like, "That's so cool!" 293 00:16:05,585 --> 00:16:07,069 And I was like, "That's cool?" 294 00:16:08,795 --> 00:16:11,004 Martha Cooper and Henry Chalfant 295 00:16:11,039 --> 00:16:13,524 completely changed the direction of my life. 296 00:16:13,558 --> 00:16:14,456 I was a little kid. 297 00:16:14,490 --> 00:16:15,733 I was down at King's Road. 298 00:16:16,734 --> 00:16:19,254 I went into WHSmith's and I saw this book 299 00:16:19,288 --> 00:16:23,223 called "Subway Art", and it wasthe first thing that I stole. 300 00:16:24,155 --> 00:16:26,433 And it became my bible. 301 00:16:26,468 --> 00:16:28,849 I was like, "Oh my god. 302 00:16:28,884 --> 00:16:32,508 "There's this place where people are painting trains, 303 00:16:32,543 --> 00:16:34,131 "and you don't know that they're trains. 304 00:16:34,165 --> 00:16:36,996 "I need to do this for some weird reason." 305 00:16:37,789 --> 00:16:42,035 Hip hop and rap was being exported from New York. 306 00:16:42,070 --> 00:16:45,314 I was listening to Grandmaster Flash and Sugarhill Gang. 307 00:16:45,349 --> 00:16:47,247 I was kind of into break dancing, 308 00:16:47,282 --> 00:16:49,698 but I couldn't break dance at all. 309 00:16:49,732 --> 00:16:51,700 I wanted to be part of the scene, 310 00:16:51,734 --> 00:16:55,462 so graffiti kind of did it for me. 311 00:17:23,525 --> 00:17:25,251 I come from a relatively small city 312 00:17:25,285 --> 00:17:26,321 in southern England. 313 00:17:27,287 --> 00:17:28,909 When I was about 10 years old, 314 00:17:28,944 --> 00:17:31,878 a kid called 3D was painting the streets hard. 315 00:17:31,912 --> 00:17:33,845 I think he'd been to New York and was the first 316 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:35,882 to bring spray painting back to Bristol. 317 00:17:37,435 --> 00:17:39,472 I grew up seeing spray paint on the streets 318 00:17:39,506 --> 00:17:42,406 way before I saw it in a magazine or on a computer. 319 00:17:45,926 --> 00:17:47,135 Bristol is a port. 320 00:17:47,169 --> 00:17:50,276 It's a city built on trade. 321 00:17:50,310 --> 00:17:53,417 Most notoriously, it's trade was the slave trade, 322 00:17:53,451 --> 00:17:55,143 the Trans-Atlantic slave trade. 323 00:17:56,420 --> 00:17:59,664 Old Bristol was destroyed in the Second World War. 324 00:17:59,699 --> 00:18:02,150 And so the whole demographic of Bristol changed, 325 00:18:02,184 --> 00:18:04,221 because the working-class community 326 00:18:04,255 --> 00:18:07,051 were moved out from the center of town. 327 00:18:07,086 --> 00:18:10,296 And it took a long, long time for Bristol to be rebuilt. 328 00:18:10,330 --> 00:18:13,747 When I was growing up in Bristol in the '70s and '80s, 329 00:18:13,782 --> 00:18:16,129 an awful lot of it was still bomb sites. 330 00:18:16,164 --> 00:18:18,442 And that coincided in the '70s 331 00:18:18,476 --> 00:18:21,790 with the closure of the city docks. 332 00:18:21,824 --> 00:18:24,275 And the center of Bristol became a bit of a wasteland. 333 00:18:27,658 --> 00:18:30,178 A very multicultural city. 334 00:18:31,282 --> 00:18:32,732 In the last 30 or 40 years, 335 00:18:32,766 --> 00:18:37,012 it's been an incredibly creative environment. 336 00:18:37,046 --> 00:18:39,773 If you look at the people who have come out of there. 337 00:18:41,016 --> 00:18:44,399 You have Massive Attack, Tricky, Portishead, 338 00:18:44,433 --> 00:18:46,780 that have shaped a new form of music. 339 00:18:46,815 --> 00:18:48,713 You have someone like Bansky that's gone on 340 00:18:48,748 --> 00:18:50,991 and become famous worldwide. 341 00:18:52,786 --> 00:18:57,722 Bristol is big enough to have interesting things going on 342 00:18:58,067 --> 00:19:01,899 but small enough that people connect very quickly 343 00:19:01,933 --> 00:19:03,970 and ideas spread quickly. 344 00:19:04,971 --> 00:19:08,285 Bristol had the opportunity to have a really healthy scene, 345 00:19:08,319 --> 00:19:10,839 a very focused and healthy scene growing 346 00:19:10,873 --> 00:19:12,841 quite quickly in the '80s. 347 00:19:14,498 --> 00:19:17,880 That scene, its art, music, and its politics, 348 00:19:17,915 --> 00:19:20,159 would come to shape Banksy's future career. 349 00:19:21,643 --> 00:19:25,060 In the mid-'80s, however, he was still a young schoolboy, 350 00:19:25,094 --> 00:19:27,476 trying to find out what he might be good at. 351 00:19:29,168 --> 00:19:31,204 Banksy's background is a regular, 352 00:19:31,239 --> 00:19:33,793 middle-class Bristol boy. 353 00:19:33,827 --> 00:19:35,864 I think he got an E in art. 354 00:19:35,898 --> 00:19:37,762 He never went to art school. 355 00:19:37,797 --> 00:19:41,145 But people who studied with him at the time 356 00:19:41,180 --> 00:19:43,941 said he had something in his art work 357 00:19:43,975 --> 00:19:45,839 that they hadn't seen before. 358 00:19:47,220 --> 00:19:51,707 And Mrs. Thatcher out onto the doorstep. 359 00:19:51,742 --> 00:19:55,366 Where there is discord may we bring harmony. 360 00:19:55,401 --> 00:19:58,680 Where there is error may we bring truth. 361 00:19:58,714 --> 00:20:01,821 Where there is doubt may we bring faith. 362 00:20:01,855 --> 00:20:05,031 And where there is despair may we bring hope. 363 00:20:09,069 --> 00:20:10,139 See what they're doing? 364 00:20:11,589 --> 00:20:14,247 The 1980s was a time in which Britain 365 00:20:14,282 --> 00:20:17,526 was rocked by civil unrest and economic turmoil 366 00:20:17,561 --> 00:20:20,115 as the conservative government of Margaret Thatcher 367 00:20:20,149 --> 00:20:23,256 sought to completely reshape the country. 368 00:20:23,291 --> 00:20:25,603 Tearing up the old social contract, 369 00:20:25,638 --> 00:20:27,881 Thatcher launched the capitalist revolution 370 00:20:27,916 --> 00:20:30,125 that placed money and the market 371 00:20:30,159 --> 00:20:31,885 at the center of national life. 372 00:20:33,646 --> 00:20:34,371 Good evening. 373 00:20:34,405 --> 00:20:36,131 Mrs. Thatcher has said it again. 374 00:20:36,165 --> 00:20:38,616 Her government intends to see its economic policy 375 00:20:38,651 --> 00:20:40,066 through to a conclusion. 376 00:20:41,654 --> 00:20:43,138 Industries went out of business. 377 00:20:43,172 --> 00:20:46,072 Parts of the UK, particularly the north and the midlands 378 00:20:46,106 --> 00:20:48,350 were de-industrialized very rapidly 379 00:20:48,385 --> 00:20:49,869 and became like ghost towns. 380 00:20:51,457 --> 00:20:54,080 There was this sort of almost overnight desolation 381 00:20:54,114 --> 00:20:57,083 that descended on a lot of the UK. 382 00:20:57,635 --> 00:20:59,982 No prospects for young people. 383 00:21:00,017 --> 00:21:01,536 Some of them turned to heroin. 384 00:21:01,570 --> 00:21:03,296 It was a bleak time. 385 00:21:05,022 --> 00:21:07,749 Bristol at the time was suffering 386 00:21:07,783 --> 00:21:12,788 from a lot of industries going, unemployment, conflict. 387 00:21:13,133 --> 00:21:14,756 There were riots. 388 00:21:14,790 --> 00:21:17,137 It was, like much of Britain at the time, 389 00:21:17,172 --> 00:21:18,415 quite an unhappy city. 390 00:21:19,795 --> 00:21:22,936 It was still that old British mentality 391 00:21:22,971 --> 00:21:24,731 of Friday night fight night. 392 00:21:24,766 --> 00:21:26,285 And it really was. 393 00:21:26,319 --> 00:21:28,839 It was that kind of, went out drinking on a Friday, 394 00:21:28,873 --> 00:21:30,772 you had a fight, you went home, it was a good night. 395 00:21:31,842 --> 00:21:36,364 Bristol rebelled against the culture of Thatcher-ism. 396 00:21:37,744 --> 00:21:41,127 The idea of everything having a value, for example. 397 00:21:41,161 --> 00:21:43,267 And it manifested itself in the growth 398 00:21:43,302 --> 00:21:45,373 of the alternative culture in Bristol. 399 00:21:45,407 --> 00:21:48,824 And Bristol adopted hip hop, New York hip hop particularly, 400 00:21:48,859 --> 00:21:51,793 as its dominant subculture. 401 00:21:51,827 --> 00:21:54,071 And it's from there, really, 402 00:21:54,105 --> 00:21:57,764 that its anti-authority kind of attitude 403 00:21:57,799 --> 00:22:01,734 seems to have come about, not by design, by accident. 404 00:22:02,873 --> 00:22:04,357 The arrival of hip hop 405 00:22:04,392 --> 00:22:07,533 made a spectacular impact on Bristol's music and art scene. 406 00:22:08,499 --> 00:22:12,123 Clubs in the largely black and Irish community of St. Pauls 407 00:22:12,158 --> 00:22:14,263 began hosting hip hop nights. 408 00:22:14,298 --> 00:22:16,473 And several of the city's sound systems 409 00:22:16,507 --> 00:22:19,579 started to incorporate Emceeing and break beats. 410 00:22:20,684 --> 00:22:22,548 The Wild Bunch sound system emerged 411 00:22:22,582 --> 00:22:24,688 as the dominant force on the scene, 412 00:22:24,722 --> 00:22:26,862 and its nights performing at the Dugout Club 413 00:22:26,897 --> 00:22:31,315 in central Bristol quickly became the stuff of legend. 414 00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:35,008 The Wild Bunch was a group of DJs and rappers. 415 00:22:35,043 --> 00:22:38,598 Out of the Wild Bunch grew Massive Attack. 416 00:22:38,633 --> 00:22:41,601 Nellee Hooper, one of the great producers 417 00:22:41,636 --> 00:22:45,156 of the 20th century worked with Soul II Soul and Bjork. 418 00:22:45,191 --> 00:22:47,400 It was sort of like the training ground 419 00:22:47,435 --> 00:22:50,679 for people who would be defining cultural figures 420 00:22:50,714 --> 00:22:52,336 of the British '90s. 421 00:23:03,451 --> 00:23:05,660 And they were definitely the coolest guys 422 00:23:05,694 --> 00:23:07,075 on the scene at the time, 423 00:23:07,109 --> 00:23:09,526 and a lot of people wanted to imitate them. 424 00:23:10,734 --> 00:23:12,874 Being able to put on a party in a house, 425 00:23:12,908 --> 00:23:14,910 charging 50 P on the door, 426 00:23:14,945 --> 00:23:17,879 hiring a reggae sound system from some guys down the road 427 00:23:17,913 --> 00:23:20,088 who had some really big speaker boxes, 428 00:23:20,122 --> 00:23:22,262 and having an illegal bar in the corner 429 00:23:22,297 --> 00:23:24,817 and filling the house with a couple of hundred people 430 00:23:24,851 --> 00:23:26,957 was relatively straightforward. 431 00:23:33,826 --> 00:23:36,345 It was no coincidence that the explosion 432 00:23:36,380 --> 00:23:40,867 of both graffiti in Bristol at that time 433 00:23:40,902 --> 00:23:43,870 and hip hop culture, sound system culture 434 00:23:43,905 --> 00:23:47,633 especially in Bristol, both seemed to 435 00:23:47,667 --> 00:23:49,842 mushroom simultaneously together. 436 00:23:53,155 --> 00:23:55,537 The twin art forms of music and graffiti 437 00:23:55,572 --> 00:23:59,438 were personified by the single figure of Robert Del Naja, 438 00:23:59,472 --> 00:24:01,888 a founding member of the Wild Bunch. 439 00:24:01,923 --> 00:24:06,928 Del Naja, also variously known as 3D, Delj, or simply D, 440 00:24:07,238 --> 00:24:10,000 had spend some time in New York during the early '80s, 441 00:24:10,034 --> 00:24:11,967 and when he returned to Bristol, 442 00:24:12,002 --> 00:24:14,142 he brought graffiti with him. 443 00:24:14,349 --> 00:24:18,180 3D was also arguably the UK's first graffiti artist. 444 00:24:18,215 --> 00:24:19,423 He was really a visionary. 445 00:24:19,458 --> 00:24:21,736 He always had his eye on the big picture. 446 00:24:22,944 --> 00:24:26,534 He would wander around and paint full-color, 447 00:24:26,568 --> 00:24:30,538 fully-blown pieces of graffiti in very, very public spaces, 448 00:24:30,572 --> 00:24:33,644 freehand, with very neat outlines, 449 00:24:33,679 --> 00:24:36,440 very precisely well thought out color schemes. 450 00:24:36,475 --> 00:24:38,925 It was like New York had arrived in Bristol. 451 00:24:41,410 --> 00:24:46,174 For us, as kids grown up on estates and everything else, 452 00:24:46,208 --> 00:24:49,591 it's like suddenly you started seeing this art form 453 00:24:49,626 --> 00:24:52,318 that belonged to us for the first time ever. 454 00:24:52,352 --> 00:24:54,389 Like, I'd never been in a gallery. 455 00:24:54,423 --> 00:24:56,529 I'd never gone to a museum. 456 00:24:56,564 --> 00:24:58,566 And then, suddenly started seeing 457 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,741 this kind of visceral art form come out of New York 458 00:25:01,776 --> 00:25:05,538 that was at that time tied in with hip hop as well. 459 00:25:05,573 --> 00:25:07,609 I used to get the bus into town 460 00:25:07,644 --> 00:25:10,405 to travel around to see D's pieces. 461 00:25:10,439 --> 00:25:12,511 3D started painting in 1983. 462 00:25:12,545 --> 00:25:14,892 And not long afterwards, the film Wild Style 463 00:25:14,927 --> 00:25:18,965 was shown at the Art Center Cinema in Bristol. 464 00:25:20,346 --> 00:25:22,348 How can you call people that hang out windows, 465 00:25:22,382 --> 00:25:24,005 and watch trains, Writers, man? 466 00:25:24,039 --> 00:25:24,937 You gotta write! 467 00:25:24,971 --> 00:25:26,248 You gotta do the action, man! 468 00:25:26,283 --> 00:25:27,871 You know, you gotta go there, rack up! 469 00:25:27,905 --> 00:25:30,045 You gotta go out and paint 470 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,289 and be called an outlaw at the same time. 471 00:25:33,048 --> 00:25:34,394 Myself and a group of friends 472 00:25:34,429 --> 00:25:37,570 sat and watched this window on New York 473 00:25:37,605 --> 00:25:40,539 and all the different aspects of the hip hop subculture. 474 00:25:41,609 --> 00:25:44,301 To then walk out of the cinema and see all this graffiti 475 00:25:44,335 --> 00:25:47,580 with the name 3D and the Z Boys, 476 00:25:47,615 --> 00:25:49,962 which was the crew that he was painting with, 477 00:25:49,996 --> 00:25:52,274 right there and then, it was immediate. 478 00:25:52,309 --> 00:25:55,726 There were a number of crews that started that night 479 00:25:55,761 --> 00:25:58,522 when Wild Style was first shownat the Arts Center Cinema. 480 00:25:59,419 --> 00:26:01,870 This proliferation of budding graffiti artists 481 00:26:01,905 --> 00:26:03,596 coincided with the retirement 482 00:26:03,631 --> 00:26:06,185 of their spiritual leader, Robert Del Naja. 483 00:26:07,324 --> 00:26:10,292 Issued with a final warning by the police, Del Naja 484 00:26:10,327 --> 00:26:13,951 hung up his spray can toconcentrate on his music career. 485 00:26:13,986 --> 00:26:16,091 He went on to form Massive Attack, 486 00:26:16,126 --> 00:26:19,094 one of the most important British bands of the era. 487 00:26:19,232 --> 00:26:21,510 Del Naja was a pioneer. 488 00:26:21,545 --> 00:26:25,722 Alongside him, then you had guys like Z Boys, Ian Dark, 489 00:26:25,756 --> 00:26:30,761 Jafa, Fade, you had Feel It, Inkie, Nick Walker. 490 00:26:31,106 --> 00:26:33,592 Those, for me, were the originals. 491 00:26:41,151 --> 00:26:42,359 While Robert Del Naja 492 00:26:42,393 --> 00:26:45,120 had been a lone gunslingerroaming the streets of Bristol, 493 00:26:45,155 --> 00:26:47,847 stalked by the police, the wave of writers 494 00:26:47,882 --> 00:26:50,678 who came after him benefited from the appearance 495 00:26:50,712 --> 00:26:52,749 of an unofficial graffiti headquarters 496 00:26:52,783 --> 00:26:54,060 in the east of the city. 497 00:26:55,372 --> 00:26:58,099 Amid the social difficulties of the 1980s 498 00:26:58,133 --> 00:27:00,964 and bleak prospects for most young people, 499 00:27:00,998 --> 00:27:03,552 a local youth worker named John Nation 500 00:27:03,587 --> 00:27:06,486 offered up the walls of his youth club to any artist 501 00:27:06,521 --> 00:27:09,835 brave enough to travel to the badlands of Barton Hill. 502 00:27:12,078 --> 00:27:14,011 I'd heard there was a graffiti hall of fame 503 00:27:14,046 --> 00:27:16,289 somewhere in Barton Hill, but my dad 504 00:27:16,324 --> 00:27:18,188 was badly beaten up there as a kid 505 00:27:18,222 --> 00:27:20,708 and had his trousers stolen, so he'd always 506 00:27:20,742 --> 00:27:23,400 put the fear of God into me about the place. 507 00:27:23,434 --> 00:27:24,712 Of course, it turned out to be 508 00:27:24,746 --> 00:27:27,818 the most inspiring stretch of concrete in Bristol. 509 00:27:27,853 --> 00:27:31,270 And I made a pilgrimage there every weekend. 510 00:27:31,304 --> 00:27:33,686 What it showed us was very powerful: 511 00:27:33,721 --> 00:27:35,964 that there was a choice between compromising 512 00:27:35,999 --> 00:27:38,553 and following your own strange little dreams. 513 00:27:40,866 --> 00:27:44,697 Barton Hill was an area which had a terrible reputation. 514 00:27:44,732 --> 00:27:47,735 It struck fear into, if you were not from Barton Hill, 515 00:27:47,769 --> 00:27:49,322 you didn't go to Barton Hill. 516 00:27:50,876 --> 00:27:52,463 White. 517 00:27:52,498 --> 00:27:54,155 Working class. 518 00:27:54,189 --> 00:27:58,193 Hostile to outsiders from the area. 519 00:27:58,228 --> 00:28:00,713 Very territorial. 520 00:28:00,748 --> 00:28:04,337 Strong sense of community. 521 00:28:04,372 --> 00:28:07,202 But also, Barton Hill had a reputation 522 00:28:07,237 --> 00:28:10,136 as being a tough place, and a lot of that 523 00:28:10,171 --> 00:28:13,864 was to do with an older generation of lads 524 00:28:13,899 --> 00:28:17,281 that were predominantly into football hooliganism. 525 00:28:18,835 --> 00:28:21,009 A lot of them were deemed as being 526 00:28:21,044 --> 00:28:23,736 into right-wing National Front. 527 00:28:25,773 --> 00:28:28,741 Barton Hill Youth Club provided a meeting place 528 00:28:28,776 --> 00:28:31,744 for disaffected youth from across Bristol, 529 00:28:31,779 --> 00:28:34,229 kids who were getting into a lot of trouble, 530 00:28:34,264 --> 00:28:39,269 and channeled their energies into a far more creative way 531 00:28:39,407 --> 00:28:42,410 through what John always referred to as "aerosol art." 532 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,794 Two young guys had visited New York, 533 00:28:46,828 --> 00:28:49,520 and they approached me to paint 534 00:28:49,555 --> 00:28:52,489 the external face of Barton Hill Youth Club. 535 00:28:52,523 --> 00:28:56,286 Now, at that time, the front of Barton Hill Youth Club 536 00:28:56,320 --> 00:29:00,255 was adorned with political statements, 537 00:29:00,290 --> 00:29:03,362 National Front emblems, Barton Hill Boot Boys, 538 00:29:03,396 --> 00:29:06,537 Bristol City Service Firm football hooligan crew. 539 00:29:06,572 --> 00:29:11,163 That kind of culture was what was being displayed 540 00:29:11,197 --> 00:29:12,647 on Barton Youth Club at that time. 541 00:29:12,681 --> 00:29:15,995 So, we decided this is something that was fresh, 542 00:29:16,030 --> 00:29:19,309 and the fact that these two guys are Barton Hill locals 543 00:29:19,343 --> 00:29:21,621 and that they want to do this was encouraging. 544 00:29:21,656 --> 00:29:25,453 And that really was the beginnings of laying some of 545 00:29:25,487 --> 00:29:28,042 the foundations for Barton Hill 546 00:29:28,076 --> 00:29:30,769 to grow a huge reputation in the city. 547 00:29:32,115 --> 00:29:35,635 The one place in Bristol where you could paint legally 548 00:29:35,670 --> 00:29:38,431 all day long on the walls of the ball court, 549 00:29:38,466 --> 00:29:40,468 and likely on the outside of the building. 550 00:29:40,502 --> 00:29:42,263 It was bliss. 551 00:29:42,297 --> 00:29:43,436 It was luxury. 552 00:29:43,471 --> 00:29:46,267 We could sit around, take our time. 553 00:29:46,301 --> 00:29:48,752 The other thing that Barton Hill Youth Club had 554 00:29:48,787 --> 00:29:51,859 was that it backed onto the railway tracks. 555 00:29:53,446 --> 00:29:56,001 Painting safely and legally at a youth center 556 00:29:56,035 --> 00:29:58,210 was one thing, but it lacked the glamor 557 00:29:58,244 --> 00:29:59,901 of New York subway art. 558 00:29:59,936 --> 00:30:02,662 The danger, the rush, and, crucially, 559 00:30:02,697 --> 00:30:05,113 the ability to achieve city-wide renown. 560 00:30:06,321 --> 00:30:08,565 The young graffiti writers at Barton Hill 561 00:30:08,599 --> 00:30:10,498 used the club as a staging post 562 00:30:10,532 --> 00:30:12,327 for bombing raids on trains, 563 00:30:12,362 --> 00:30:14,916 buses, and walls across Bristol. 564 00:30:14,951 --> 00:30:17,229 And before long, their names and styles 565 00:30:17,263 --> 00:30:20,128 became a familiar part of the urban landscape. 566 00:30:20,232 --> 00:30:21,923 You had artists like 567 00:30:23,062 --> 00:30:25,099 Inkie, Felix, 568 00:30:25,133 --> 00:30:27,239 Turo, Era, 569 00:30:27,273 --> 00:30:28,999 Chaos, and Shab. 570 00:30:30,414 --> 00:30:33,314 I started painting with a crew called Crime Inc, 571 00:30:33,348 --> 00:30:37,697 and we followed the template set down by 3D 572 00:30:37,732 --> 00:30:40,010 in as much as we would sneak out 573 00:30:40,045 --> 00:30:43,427 after our parents were in bed and go and paint 574 00:30:43,462 --> 00:30:45,844 pieces of graffiti around the city. 575 00:30:46,983 --> 00:30:49,675 And the level of tagging that took over 576 00:30:49,709 --> 00:30:52,471 in Barton Hill encroached on the quality 577 00:30:52,505 --> 00:30:55,267 of people's private and public property. 578 00:30:55,301 --> 00:30:58,270 The auto shop was getting knocked off in Barton Hill. 579 00:30:58,304 --> 00:31:00,444 Proper break-ins. 580 00:31:00,479 --> 00:31:02,826 They managed to find a way in 581 00:31:02,861 --> 00:31:06,657 through the back of the premises and relieve them 582 00:31:06,692 --> 00:31:08,452 of hundreds and hundreds of tins of paint. 583 00:31:09,246 --> 00:31:12,180 Many of the houses that were on the housing estate, 584 00:31:12,215 --> 00:31:14,907 adjacent to Barton Youth Club, their front doors 585 00:31:14,942 --> 00:31:18,117 were tagged, their bins, the local pub, 586 00:31:18,152 --> 00:31:22,087 the wall was absolutely caned with tags. 587 00:31:22,121 --> 00:31:23,743 There was a trail you could follow. 588 00:31:23,778 --> 00:31:27,678 You would know that there was a center 589 00:31:27,713 --> 00:31:29,197 where graffiti was taking place 590 00:31:29,232 --> 00:31:32,891 and that this trail of tags and throw-ups and daubs 591 00:31:32,925 --> 00:31:35,928 led to that one center point, which was Barton Hill. 592 00:31:35,963 --> 00:31:39,690 This antagonized a lot of the local residents. 593 00:31:39,725 --> 00:31:44,040 It got to a point where the council and the police, 594 00:31:44,074 --> 00:31:46,456 British Transport Police, specifically, 595 00:31:46,490 --> 00:31:48,285 were starting to talk to one another. 596 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,115 And they got to a point where they felt 597 00:31:50,149 --> 00:31:51,323 that something had to be done. 598 00:31:52,289 --> 00:31:54,947 A city that can't control its vandals 599 00:31:54,982 --> 00:31:57,570 is seen by many to be a city that's out of control. 600 00:31:59,158 --> 00:32:01,022 In the summer of 1989, 601 00:32:01,057 --> 00:32:03,783 the British Transport Police launched a series of raids 602 00:32:03,818 --> 00:32:06,890 to arrest Bristol's most infamous graffiti artists. 603 00:32:07,995 --> 00:32:11,239 The raids were the culmination of Operation Anderson, 604 00:32:11,274 --> 00:32:14,139 a yearlong investigation into Barton Hill, 605 00:32:14,173 --> 00:32:16,348 the biggest anti-graffiti operation 606 00:32:16,382 --> 00:32:18,937 ever to be undertaken in the UK. 607 00:32:18,971 --> 00:32:22,181 A total of 72 people involved in the graffiti scene 608 00:32:22,216 --> 00:32:25,529 were rounded up and charged with criminal damage. 609 00:32:25,564 --> 00:32:28,981 John Nation was interrogated and pressured to divulge 610 00:32:29,016 --> 00:32:31,570 the real names behind the city's tags. 611 00:32:31,604 --> 00:32:33,227 If he refused to cooperate, 612 00:32:33,261 --> 00:32:35,539 he would be charged with conspiracy, 613 00:32:35,574 --> 00:32:38,335 the most serious offense that the police could allege. 614 00:32:39,543 --> 00:32:41,545 Most of the artists were convicted, 615 00:32:41,580 --> 00:32:45,929 but I didn't divulge oneperson's identity to the police, 616 00:32:45,964 --> 00:32:49,346 and so they charged me with conspiracy to organize 617 00:32:49,381 --> 00:32:52,453 and incite individuals to commit criminal damage. 618 00:32:52,487 --> 00:32:54,420 I had a trust placed in me by those young people 619 00:32:54,455 --> 00:32:57,320 and the confidentiality and the respect 620 00:32:57,354 --> 00:32:59,667 and the bond that I had with those young people 621 00:33:00,979 --> 00:33:03,671 would be the determining factor. 622 00:33:10,919 --> 00:33:12,266 It might sound a little crazy, 623 00:33:12,300 --> 00:33:14,302 but I think John Nation, that shouty, 624 00:33:14,337 --> 00:33:17,340 red-faced little social worker who made it all happen, 625 00:33:17,374 --> 00:33:18,962 has had more impact on the shape 626 00:33:18,997 --> 00:33:21,585 of British culture over the past 20 years 627 00:33:21,620 --> 00:33:24,174 than anyone else to come from the city. 628 00:33:24,209 --> 00:33:27,039 And I bet none of the cops who arrested him can say that. 629 00:33:29,662 --> 00:33:32,010 So the consequence of Operation Anderson 630 00:33:32,044 --> 00:33:36,428 was that the majority of the writers stopped, 631 00:33:36,704 --> 00:33:40,018 which is what the authorities, of course, wanted. 632 00:33:41,053 --> 00:33:43,745 The other consequence was that those who continued 633 00:33:43,780 --> 00:33:45,299 went completely underground 634 00:33:45,333 --> 00:33:48,543 and lived completely outside the law. 635 00:33:48,578 --> 00:33:52,927 So you had a smaller group of very, very hardcore writers 636 00:33:52,961 --> 00:33:55,723 who were taking on the authorities. 637 00:33:55,757 --> 00:33:59,451 And it was into this vacuum, if you like, 638 00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:02,178 that Banksy emerged. 639 00:34:04,732 --> 00:34:06,147 A generation younger 640 00:34:06,182 --> 00:34:08,770 than the first wave of Bristol graffiti writers, 641 00:34:08,805 --> 00:34:11,773 Banksy showed up on the scene in the early '90s, 642 00:34:11,808 --> 00:34:13,706 where he fell in with one of the crews 643 00:34:13,741 --> 00:34:16,088 that had remained active in the aftermath 644 00:34:16,123 --> 00:34:17,400 of Operation Anderson. 645 00:34:18,780 --> 00:34:22,267 Banksy first appeared working with the DryBreadzCrew, 646 00:34:22,301 --> 00:34:24,476 which the Loki and Kato, Tes. 647 00:34:25,615 --> 00:34:28,790 He was a snotty kid hanging around, 648 00:34:28,825 --> 00:34:31,621 saying, "Can I spray something as well?" 649 00:34:31,655 --> 00:34:34,175 and was largely ignored until he just hung around so much 650 00:34:34,210 --> 00:34:37,489 that eventually they relented, and he started working 651 00:34:37,523 --> 00:34:39,732 with DryBreadz or Bad Apples Crew, 652 00:34:39,767 --> 00:34:41,493 which were essentially the same crew. 653 00:34:41,527 --> 00:34:43,736 I think the probably all came together 654 00:34:43,771 --> 00:34:47,223 around the same time, probably slightly dismayed 655 00:34:47,257 --> 00:34:51,227 that people had actually been able to be put off painting 656 00:34:51,261 --> 00:34:54,126 by what happened during Operation Anderson. 657 00:34:54,161 --> 00:34:55,541 But I'm sure it made a young Banksy 658 00:34:55,576 --> 00:34:58,889 more determined to get his work out there. 659 00:34:59,062 --> 00:35:00,684 They very quickly realized that there 660 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:02,859 was something a bit special about Banksy 661 00:35:02,893 --> 00:35:05,068 and that this little kid was pretty good 662 00:35:05,103 --> 00:35:07,381 as a freehand artist at that time 663 00:35:08,313 --> 00:35:10,418 and had some really interesting ideas. 664 00:35:10,453 --> 00:35:13,870 A lot of those ideas were aroundthe placement of the work. 665 00:35:13,904 --> 00:35:16,631 Sometimes the pieces which DryBreadz 666 00:35:16,666 --> 00:35:19,945 or Bad Apples were putting up were put up in places 667 00:35:19,979 --> 00:35:22,672 where were quite dangerous for them to paint, 668 00:35:22,706 --> 00:35:24,881 so quite public places. 669 00:35:24,915 --> 00:35:28,091 And there was a reluctance for them to go there, 670 00:35:28,126 --> 00:35:30,058 because they thought they'd be nicked, 671 00:35:30,093 --> 00:35:34,028 until they realized the nextday, when they were on the bus, 672 00:35:34,062 --> 00:35:37,583 that it was directly opposite the bus stop 673 00:35:37,618 --> 00:35:41,104 and at eye level with the top deck of the bus. 674 00:35:41,139 --> 00:35:43,175 And so, he'd thought out where the work 675 00:35:43,210 --> 00:35:45,488 was gonna be most visible, 676 00:35:45,522 --> 00:35:47,973 which is a theme which is really important 677 00:35:48,007 --> 00:35:50,113 to Banksy's work, is where it goes, 678 00:35:50,148 --> 00:35:51,183 whether it's opposite a bus stop 679 00:35:51,218 --> 00:35:53,047 on a busy main road in Bristol, 680 00:35:53,081 --> 00:35:56,326 or whether it's the Walled Off Hotel in Palestine. 681 00:35:56,361 --> 00:35:59,053 The placement of the work is absolutely crucial 682 00:35:59,087 --> 00:36:00,123 to his art, I feel. 683 00:36:01,573 --> 00:36:04,058 When he first started, he was painting letters. 684 00:36:04,092 --> 00:36:08,407 He was, in all sense and purposes, a graffiti artist. 685 00:36:08,442 --> 00:36:11,030 Whether he was a great graffiti artist, 686 00:36:11,065 --> 00:36:12,963 that's debatable in my humble opinion. 687 00:36:12,998 --> 00:36:15,345 He's gone on to progress from being ... 688 00:36:17,140 --> 00:36:19,004 a half-decent graph writer, I would say, 689 00:36:19,038 --> 00:36:22,110 to a totally different conceptual artist 690 00:36:22,145 --> 00:36:24,527 from the guys that he was with. 691 00:36:24,561 --> 00:36:27,357 He was off the radar at that point. 692 00:36:27,392 --> 00:36:30,981 He wasn't one of the knownwriters from Operation Anderson. 693 00:36:31,016 --> 00:36:32,190 The police didn't have his number; 694 00:36:32,224 --> 00:36:33,674 they didn't know who he was, 695 00:36:33,708 --> 00:36:36,815 hence his anonymity was so important to his work. 696 00:36:39,438 --> 00:36:41,233 Banksy's early work suggested 697 00:36:41,268 --> 00:36:44,547 that he was a different breed of graffiti artist. 698 00:36:44,581 --> 00:36:47,239 His pieces often included social comments 699 00:36:47,274 --> 00:36:49,517 or vaguely political messages. 700 00:36:49,552 --> 00:36:51,001 Highly unusual for an art form 701 00:36:51,036 --> 00:36:53,625 that was mainly concerned with letter forms 702 00:36:53,659 --> 00:36:54,971 and striking visuals. 703 00:37:02,012 --> 00:37:03,428 Banksy emerged during a time 704 00:37:03,462 --> 00:37:05,947 when British culture was changing. 705 00:37:05,982 --> 00:37:08,743 Following the arrival of house music from Chicago, 706 00:37:08,778 --> 00:37:11,850 the sound systems and free parties of the 1980s 707 00:37:11,884 --> 00:37:14,473 had evolved into large-scale illegal raves 708 00:37:14,508 --> 00:37:17,269 fueled by a new drug: ecstasy. 709 00:37:18,615 --> 00:37:21,273 Shut out of graffiti by Operation Anderson, 710 00:37:21,308 --> 00:37:24,172 many of Bristol's underground artists grifted 711 00:37:24,207 --> 00:37:26,278 into the rave scene, where they continued 712 00:37:26,313 --> 00:37:29,247 to disregard society's established rules. 713 00:37:30,420 --> 00:37:32,974 The state response to rave would be one event 714 00:37:33,009 --> 00:37:36,046 amongst several that directly politicized Banksy. 715 00:37:37,220 --> 00:37:39,947 By the early '90s, the conservative government, 716 00:37:39,981 --> 00:37:42,812 which had always been repressivetowards minority groups 717 00:37:42,846 --> 00:37:44,952 and those outside of the mainstream, 718 00:37:44,986 --> 00:37:47,265 was struggling to maintain its authority. 719 00:37:48,300 --> 00:37:50,889 The poll tax, a new system of taxation 720 00:37:50,923 --> 00:37:53,443 felt by many to be an attack on the poor, 721 00:37:53,478 --> 00:37:55,963 provoked fierce rioting in London, 722 00:37:55,997 --> 00:37:57,723 pit the police against the people, 723 00:37:57,758 --> 00:38:00,278 and led to the downfall of Margaret Thatcher. 724 00:38:05,352 --> 00:38:08,355 After John Major replaced Thatcher as Prime Minister, 725 00:38:08,389 --> 00:38:10,288 his government launched a campaign 726 00:38:10,322 --> 00:38:11,875 against groups that he considered 727 00:38:11,910 --> 00:38:13,394 to be socially disruptive. 728 00:38:14,119 --> 00:38:17,847 In 1994, the deeply unpopular Criminal Justice 729 00:38:17,881 --> 00:38:22,127 and Public Order Act paved the way for a crackdown on raves. 730 00:38:22,161 --> 00:38:23,922 It gave the police sweeping powers 731 00:38:23,956 --> 00:38:26,614 to stop and search, evict squatters, 732 00:38:26,649 --> 00:38:28,720 and to take action against a gathering 733 00:38:28,754 --> 00:38:30,894 of as few as five people listening 734 00:38:30,929 --> 00:38:33,380 to what it termed "repetitive beats." 735 00:38:36,659 --> 00:38:40,110 The new law also discriminated against both Gypsies 736 00:38:40,145 --> 00:38:43,079 and Travelers, an itinerant community 737 00:38:43,113 --> 00:38:45,978 that traversed the British countryside in caravans 738 00:38:46,013 --> 00:38:49,672 and was associated with anarchism, environmentalism, 739 00:38:49,706 --> 00:38:52,191 libertarianism, and other radical ideas. 740 00:38:57,369 --> 00:39:00,061 I got politicizedduring the poll tax riots, 741 00:39:00,096 --> 00:39:02,961 criminal justice acts, and the Hartcliff riots. 742 00:39:02,995 --> 00:39:04,342 That was Bristol's Rodney King. 743 00:39:05,308 --> 00:39:06,827 I can also remember my old man 744 00:39:06,861 --> 00:39:08,829 taking me down to see the Lloyd's Bank, 745 00:39:08,863 --> 00:39:11,245 what was left of it, after the 1980 746 00:39:11,279 --> 00:39:12,936 St. Pauls riots in Bristol. 747 00:39:14,593 --> 00:39:16,388 It's mad to see how the whole thing 748 00:39:16,423 --> 00:39:18,977 of having to do what your told can be taken back 749 00:39:19,011 --> 00:39:21,255 and how few people it takes to grab it back. 750 00:39:24,465 --> 00:39:27,261 Banksy was close to the Traveler community, 751 00:39:27,295 --> 00:39:30,091 who were a large presence in the southwest of England. 752 00:39:31,092 --> 00:39:33,405 The Glastonbury Festival, Britain's annual 753 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,581 summer celebration of music, peace, love, 754 00:39:36,615 --> 00:39:40,343 and alternative living, took place not far from Bristol, 755 00:39:40,378 --> 00:39:42,621 and Travelers were a fixture at the site. 756 00:39:43,657 --> 00:39:46,970 In 1998, he painted this piece, 757 00:39:47,005 --> 00:39:48,834 inspired by hop hop and rave, 758 00:39:48,869 --> 00:39:52,113 on the side of a trailer at the Glastonbury festival. 759 00:39:52,148 --> 00:39:55,220 The smiley face, the unofficial logo of rave, 760 00:39:55,254 --> 00:39:57,567 appears in many of his later stencils. 761 00:39:58,741 --> 00:40:02,400 By the close of the '90s, Banksy, pictured here 762 00:40:02,434 --> 00:40:05,437 during a trip to visit the left-wing Zapatista rebels 763 00:40:05,472 --> 00:40:07,543 in Mexico, had become an artist 764 00:40:07,577 --> 00:40:10,546 for whom message was as important as image. 765 00:40:14,584 --> 00:40:16,414 Certainly in the early days 766 00:40:16,448 --> 00:40:19,865 it's that very kind of simplistic, 767 00:40:19,900 --> 00:40:23,248 left-wing attitude of most of the Travelers, 768 00:40:23,282 --> 00:40:25,906 which, I'm a lifelong Labour supporter, 769 00:40:25,940 --> 00:40:28,909 but I can't stand that Traveling scene, 770 00:40:28,943 --> 00:40:31,187 never could, never will, yeah? 771 00:40:31,221 --> 00:40:34,915 But I can see where bits of that came through to him 772 00:40:34,949 --> 00:40:37,158 in his mentality and the way he thought. 773 00:40:38,608 --> 00:40:39,747 He was reflecting 774 00:40:39,782 --> 00:40:42,785 the anti-capitalism, the anti-authority, 775 00:40:42,819 --> 00:40:45,581 the anti-war feelings which were prevalent 776 00:40:45,615 --> 00:40:48,376 among the Bristol underground at the time, 777 00:40:48,411 --> 00:40:50,378 and a genuine belief that the world 778 00:40:50,413 --> 00:40:53,381 can be changed to be a better, and fairer place. 779 00:40:55,107 --> 00:40:56,108 At the same time, 780 00:40:56,143 --> 00:40:58,283 Banksy was evolving stylistically. 781 00:40:59,215 --> 00:41:01,493 Stenciling, a technique that had notably 782 00:41:01,528 --> 00:41:03,564 been favored by Robert Del Naja, 783 00:41:03,599 --> 00:41:06,256 became an increasingly important part of his work. 784 00:41:11,227 --> 00:41:14,955 Something that, if you were doing freehand, 785 00:41:14,989 --> 00:41:18,303 would take you hours, and if you were using a stencil 786 00:41:19,615 --> 00:41:21,720 would take you less than five minutes 787 00:41:21,755 --> 00:41:24,378 and you probably won't get caught doing it. 788 00:41:25,724 --> 00:41:29,556 You have an idea, you have an image, you print it out. 789 00:41:29,590 --> 00:41:30,867 You then project that image 790 00:41:30,902 --> 00:41:33,076 onto a piece of card in your studio. 791 00:41:33,111 --> 00:41:36,563 You cut it out into like a three-layer stencil. 792 00:41:36,597 --> 00:41:38,841 You then walk up to a wall 793 00:41:39,704 --> 00:41:42,534 and you stick the first layer of the stencil on the wall, 794 00:41:42,569 --> 00:41:44,502 which isn't illegal. 795 00:41:44,536 --> 00:41:47,505 And you stand there and you wait for no one to come 796 00:41:47,539 --> 00:41:48,816 and you spray the first card. 797 00:41:48,851 --> 00:41:50,335 And you take it down, give it to your mate, 798 00:41:50,369 --> 00:41:54,373 stick the next layer up, which, again, isn't illegal. 799 00:41:54,408 --> 00:41:58,101 So, it's pretty hard to get caught painting stencils. 800 00:41:59,586 --> 00:42:01,104 Everyone can understand them. 801 00:42:01,139 --> 00:42:04,107 They're not this dense tagging. 802 00:42:04,142 --> 00:42:06,420 You see them, you click immediately. 803 00:42:08,008 --> 00:42:10,389 It's the time that you spend in your studio 804 00:42:10,424 --> 00:42:14,773 thinking of the idea and doing the preparation 805 00:42:16,257 --> 00:42:20,883 is why I think it's slightly better than graffiti. 806 00:42:23,402 --> 00:42:27,199 I think stencils initially were met with 807 00:42:27,234 --> 00:42:28,580 quite a lot of derision. 808 00:42:28,615 --> 00:42:30,548 They weren't taken very seriously. 809 00:42:31,963 --> 00:42:34,034 A graffiti artist would never be caught dead doing that. 810 00:42:34,068 --> 00:42:37,037 That's the main difference, is we would never do that shit. 811 00:42:38,763 --> 00:42:40,109 Traditional graffiti artists 812 00:42:40,143 --> 00:42:42,594 have a lot of rules that they like to stick to. 813 00:42:42,629 --> 00:42:44,009 And good luck to them. 814 00:42:44,044 --> 00:42:45,597 But I didn't become a graffiti artist 815 00:42:45,632 --> 00:42:48,048 so I could have other people tell me what to do. 816 00:42:49,428 --> 00:42:51,154 If you're gonna do graffiti, 817 00:42:51,189 --> 00:42:53,018 you've gotta steal your spray paint, 818 00:42:53,053 --> 00:42:55,918 and you've gotta paint trains, and you've gotta tag stuff. 819 00:42:57,367 --> 00:42:58,852 You know, if you want to sit there 820 00:42:58,886 --> 00:43:01,579 in your stagnating graffiti, 821 00:43:01,613 --> 00:43:04,443 it has to be like this, well, then poor you. 822 00:43:05,583 --> 00:43:08,827 Because everything evolves and moves on. 823 00:43:21,806 --> 00:43:24,671 For graffiti, that evolution dates back 824 00:43:24,705 --> 00:43:26,673 to the very early days of New York. 825 00:43:28,053 --> 00:43:29,952 At the time that the hardcore graffiti writers 826 00:43:29,986 --> 00:43:32,782 were bombing trains, work appeared on the streets 827 00:43:32,817 --> 00:43:35,129 and in the subway stations that shadowed 828 00:43:35,164 --> 00:43:37,718 the underground culture of tags and pieces 829 00:43:37,753 --> 00:43:40,307 but was recognizably different. 830 00:43:40,341 --> 00:43:42,412 Together with his friend, Al Diaz, 831 00:43:42,447 --> 00:43:45,277 a young artist named Jean-Michel Basquiat 832 00:43:45,312 --> 00:43:48,556 toured lower Manhattan, writing the tag SAMO, 833 00:43:48,591 --> 00:43:51,283 an abbreviation of "same old shit", 834 00:43:51,318 --> 00:43:55,253 accompanied by thought-provokingslogans and epigrams. 835 00:43:55,287 --> 00:43:57,565 Another young artist, Keith Haring, 836 00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,291 was tracking the SAMO pieces 837 00:43:59,326 --> 00:44:02,847 while developing his own form of illegal public art, 838 00:44:02,881 --> 00:44:05,608 drawing chalk outlines of figures and characters 839 00:44:05,643 --> 00:44:08,922 on vacant advertising boards in the New York subway 840 00:44:08,956 --> 00:44:12,615 and attaching mock headlines to lampposts around Manhattan. 841 00:44:14,513 --> 00:44:17,862 Basquiat and Keith Haring were really 842 00:44:17,896 --> 00:44:21,797 the beginning of street art, modern street art, 843 00:44:21,831 --> 00:44:25,145 as we understand it, in that it was taking the tools 844 00:44:25,179 --> 00:44:29,908 and the philosophy, the kind of ethos behind graffiti 845 00:44:29,943 --> 00:44:32,255 but stepping to one side with it. 846 00:44:32,290 --> 00:44:35,811 Statements that have more to do with newspaper headlines 847 00:44:35,845 --> 00:44:38,848 or the kind of posters you'd see outside a church, say. 848 00:44:38,883 --> 00:44:40,608 Looking at the ideas of public space 849 00:44:40,643 --> 00:44:43,715 and how one could create art 850 00:44:43,750 --> 00:44:45,475 that would be seen by a mass audience 851 00:44:45,510 --> 00:44:49,238 rather an elitist audience was kind of the key difference. 852 00:44:51,619 --> 00:44:55,831 Banksy's well aware of the history of the art form 853 00:44:55,865 --> 00:44:58,109 and those kind of key players at key moments. 854 00:45:01,008 --> 00:45:03,079 And for Banksy, there was no influence 855 00:45:03,114 --> 00:45:06,945 more important than the French stencil artist Blek le Rat. 856 00:45:07,981 --> 00:45:10,190 Blek, who had first encountered graffiti 857 00:45:10,224 --> 00:45:13,711 during a trip to New York, adapted the idea of street art 858 00:45:13,745 --> 00:45:15,057 to the European tradition 859 00:45:15,091 --> 00:45:17,576 of stenciling political statements on walls. 860 00:45:18,923 --> 00:45:20,821 His project, to bring socially-conscious 861 00:45:20,856 --> 00:45:22,029 art to the public, 862 00:45:22,064 --> 00:45:26,551 began in 1981, when stencils of rats started to appear 863 00:45:26,585 --> 00:45:28,035 in the streets of Paris. 864 00:45:31,970 --> 00:45:34,559 Blek le Rat's signature wasn't Blek le Rat. 865 00:45:34,593 --> 00:45:35,836 It was the rat. 866 00:45:37,873 --> 00:45:40,013 Rats everywhere, like running around. 867 00:45:40,047 --> 00:45:42,360 And you would see multiple rats on the walls. 868 00:45:42,394 --> 00:45:45,881 He was also painting homeless people on walls. 869 00:45:45,915 --> 00:45:49,954 And so, he basically was an artist that had a message. 870 00:45:49,988 --> 00:45:51,956 His message was: look at these things 871 00:45:51,990 --> 00:45:53,612 that are wrong in the city. 872 00:45:53,647 --> 00:45:55,028 Look at the homeless population. 873 00:45:55,062 --> 00:45:56,236 There's something wrong 874 00:45:56,270 --> 00:45:58,238 that there's so many homeless people. 875 00:45:58,272 --> 00:45:59,895 They're invisible to us. 876 00:45:59,929 --> 00:46:01,655 I'm gonna make them more visible 877 00:46:01,689 --> 00:46:03,622 by painting them on the walls, right? 878 00:46:04,831 --> 00:46:08,213 High art concept, low art technology. 879 00:46:09,387 --> 00:46:13,046 Whereas the graffiti artist may be the other way around, 880 00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:14,633 where it's definitely about, say, 881 00:46:14,668 --> 00:46:17,015 this technical skill with the spray can, 882 00:46:17,050 --> 00:46:19,397 that kind of thing, these intricate letters, 883 00:46:19,431 --> 00:46:23,677 which is great and fantastic, but who are you speaking to, 884 00:46:23,711 --> 00:46:25,990 and ultimately what is the goal at the end? 885 00:46:27,163 --> 00:46:29,476 But if the goal at the end is I really want to, 886 00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:32,030 say, change the world, like I want to deal 887 00:46:32,065 --> 00:46:34,722 with these bigger, headier concepts, 888 00:46:34,757 --> 00:46:37,311 and that's where Banksy changed the game. 889 00:46:39,210 --> 00:46:42,351 He's taken the best of all these different worlds: 890 00:46:42,385 --> 00:46:45,043 the graffiti world and how he operates on the street, 891 00:46:45,078 --> 00:46:48,322 the stencil world in what he creates as an image, 892 00:46:48,357 --> 00:46:51,981 and sort of this social activist point of view. 893 00:46:52,016 --> 00:46:55,088 Three different, say, personality types 894 00:46:55,122 --> 00:46:57,159 packaged into one person. 895 00:46:57,193 --> 00:47:00,334 You have a really high-profile art terrorist 896 00:47:00,369 --> 00:47:01,473 on your hands, right? 897 00:47:02,889 --> 00:47:05,753 In the mid-'90s, a British television program, 898 00:47:05,788 --> 00:47:09,550 Shadow People, captured a young Banksy at work. 899 00:47:09,585 --> 00:47:12,174 The program provides a fascinating insight 900 00:47:12,208 --> 00:47:14,348 into how Banksy was painting around Bristol 901 00:47:14,383 --> 00:47:16,557 in the wake of Operation Anderson 902 00:47:16,592 --> 00:47:19,491 and how he viewed himself as an artist. 903 00:47:19,526 --> 00:47:22,632 The footage also showed that, by 1995, 904 00:47:22,667 --> 00:47:25,325 stenciling, rather than freehand painting, 905 00:47:25,359 --> 00:47:27,258 had become central to his art. 906 00:47:30,088 --> 00:47:30,986 Yeah, I've decided that 907 00:47:31,020 --> 00:47:33,057 I don't ever want to do a gallery show. 908 00:47:33,091 --> 00:47:35,887 Like a proper gallery show. 909 00:47:37,061 --> 00:47:38,614 You know, if somebody came to me with a lot of money, 910 00:47:38,648 --> 00:47:39,822 I'd tell him to fuck off. 911 00:47:40,927 --> 00:47:44,240 And I don't feel the need to go to a gallery 912 00:47:44,275 --> 00:47:45,966 to make my art feel legitimate. 913 00:47:46,898 --> 00:47:48,658 And yet, if I go to the pub and somebody says 914 00:47:48,693 --> 00:47:50,868 that they like what I've just done, 915 00:47:52,041 --> 00:47:55,286 and I might get a beer, or I might meet a girl 916 00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,013 that likes what I do, then that's enough. 917 00:48:01,775 --> 00:48:03,328 By the close of the '90s, 918 00:48:03,363 --> 00:48:05,123 Banksy had become an important figure 919 00:48:05,158 --> 00:48:07,125 on the Bristol art scene. 920 00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,334 Together with the graffiti artist Inkie, 921 00:48:09,369 --> 00:48:12,544 he organized Walls on Fire, a landmark event 922 00:48:12,579 --> 00:48:15,547 supported by the city, in which street artists 923 00:48:15,582 --> 00:48:18,757 legally painted over 400 meters of hoardings 924 00:48:18,792 --> 00:48:22,451 in Bristol Harbor, while sound systems pumped out hip hop. 925 00:48:26,041 --> 00:48:29,907 A few months later, Banksy painted The Mild Mild West, 926 00:48:29,941 --> 00:48:32,564 his first large-scale mural on the side 927 00:48:32,599 --> 00:48:35,740 of an abandoned building in the Stokes Croft area. 928 00:48:35,774 --> 00:48:38,260 The mural soon became an iconic monument 929 00:48:38,294 --> 00:48:40,469 to Bristol's local culture. 930 00:48:40,503 --> 00:48:44,645 I've always seen it as being a welcome to Bristol sign. 931 00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:48,822 It's actually a reference to a particular party 932 00:48:48,856 --> 00:48:51,411 which was broken up by the police, 933 00:48:51,445 --> 00:48:54,069 and it's Banksy's protest, if you like, 934 00:48:54,103 --> 00:48:58,832 against the police taking on the rave scene. 935 00:48:58,866 --> 00:49:01,973 We might be peace-loving, we might just be after 936 00:49:02,008 --> 00:49:03,906 a good time, we might be just trying 937 00:49:03,941 --> 00:49:06,046 to do our own things, but don't push us too far. 938 00:49:06,633 --> 00:49:08,704 It kind of distilled his aesthetic. 939 00:49:08,738 --> 00:49:10,361 Though it was painted freehand, 940 00:49:10,395 --> 00:49:13,226 Banksy stenciled his name along the bottom. 941 00:49:13,260 --> 00:49:16,091 If you take Walls on Fire as a comparison, 942 00:49:16,125 --> 00:49:17,782 he was still painting traditional 943 00:49:17,816 --> 00:49:19,853 mural graffiti up to that point. 944 00:49:19,887 --> 00:49:21,717 The Mild Mild West made it very clear 945 00:49:21,751 --> 00:49:23,236 where he was going from there. 946 00:49:24,651 --> 00:49:26,204 Banksy's direction of travel 947 00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,862 was away from Graffiti and towards a career 948 00:49:28,896 --> 00:49:31,796 as a new type of contemporary artist. 949 00:49:31,830 --> 00:49:34,454 In 2000, he graduated from the streets 950 00:49:34,488 --> 00:49:37,215 with a small exhibition at the Severnshed Restaurant 951 00:49:37,250 --> 00:49:38,872 in Bristol. 952 00:49:38,906 --> 00:49:41,012 The show, with its canvasses painted 953 00:49:41,047 --> 00:49:42,841 by an infamous local vandal, 954 00:49:42,876 --> 00:49:46,190 attracted the attention of both public and media alike. 955 00:49:47,812 --> 00:49:49,020 Excuse me, madam. 956 00:49:49,055 --> 00:49:50,849 You see this bit of graffiti here with the two rats there 957 00:49:50,884 --> 00:49:52,334 and the rat up there with the fellow? 958 00:49:52,368 --> 00:49:53,576 What do you think of it? 959 00:49:53,611 --> 00:49:54,992 I think it's most strange. 960 00:49:55,026 --> 00:49:56,579 Can I just introduce to the man 961 00:49:56,614 --> 00:49:57,546 who actually sprayed that thing? 962 00:49:57,580 --> 00:49:59,065 Would you call him a vandal? 963 00:49:59,099 --> 00:50:02,033 Well, I suppose you are being a vandal, really. 964 00:50:02,930 --> 00:50:04,415 Graffiti had taken Banksy 965 00:50:04,449 --> 00:50:08,039 to cities across Britain as the original street outlaw. 966 00:50:08,074 --> 00:50:09,765 But recently, he's moved to London, 967 00:50:09,799 --> 00:50:11,905 started accepting commissions, 968 00:50:11,939 --> 00:50:14,804 and is now holding a conventional exhibition. 969 00:50:14,839 --> 00:50:15,840 Well, I'm kind of old-fashioned, 970 00:50:15,874 --> 00:50:17,531 in that I like to eat. 971 00:50:17,566 --> 00:50:18,774 So it's always good to earn money. 972 00:50:18,808 --> 00:50:21,432 And also, I'm trying to make canvasses work 973 00:50:21,466 --> 00:50:22,433 better than graffiti can work, 974 00:50:22,467 --> 00:50:24,400 'cause you can take time on it. 975 00:50:24,435 --> 00:50:26,057 Graffiti doesn't always come out the way you like it, 976 00:50:26,092 --> 00:50:29,129 'cause you're rushing, your panicking or whatever. 977 00:50:29,164 --> 00:50:31,062 Every artist has to develop, 978 00:50:31,097 --> 00:50:34,341 and it's time for Banksy to face new challenges. 979 00:50:34,445 --> 00:50:37,482 That show really caught people's imagination. 980 00:50:37,517 --> 00:50:39,277 People who didn't know his work went there and thought, 981 00:50:39,312 --> 00:50:41,245 "wow, this art talks to me. 982 00:50:41,279 --> 00:50:43,626 "It's radical, it's clever, it's witty, 983 00:50:43,661 --> 00:50:46,802 "it's got a political point, it's well-executed." 984 00:50:46,836 --> 00:50:49,356 I know several people who bought pieces there 985 00:50:49,391 --> 00:50:53,084 who said it was the first time they'd every bought any art. 986 00:50:55,293 --> 00:50:56,812 Though exhibiting in galleries 987 00:50:56,846 --> 00:50:58,400 and working on commission, 988 00:50:58,434 --> 00:51:01,196 Banksy remained active as an illegal artist. 989 00:51:02,956 --> 00:51:06,063 His street work no longerbelonged to the graffiti scene, 990 00:51:06,097 --> 00:51:07,719 but neither was he associated 991 00:51:07,754 --> 00:51:09,342 with the contemporary art world. 992 00:51:10,998 --> 00:51:13,415 Instead, Banksy was part of a new group 993 00:51:13,449 --> 00:51:17,074 of post-graffiti artists who, like Basquiat, 994 00:51:17,108 --> 00:51:19,662 Keith Haring, and Blek le Rat before them, 995 00:51:19,697 --> 00:51:23,770 were experimenting with newforms of unauthorized urban art. 996 00:51:26,773 --> 00:51:29,189 I thought graffiti was gonna change the art world, 997 00:51:29,224 --> 00:51:32,296 shake everything up, and it didn't do that. 998 00:51:32,330 --> 00:51:35,851 It just stayed relatively underground. 999 00:51:37,266 --> 00:51:41,374 The most success that graffiti had was working with brands. 1000 00:51:41,408 --> 00:51:44,239 It didn't really make it into art galleries. 1001 00:51:44,273 --> 00:51:45,964 It wasn't picked up by collectors. 1002 00:51:47,380 --> 00:51:50,072 And as I was becoming more and more disillusioned 1003 00:51:50,107 --> 00:51:52,557 with graffiti, this weird thing 1004 00:51:52,592 --> 00:51:54,352 called street art started to happen. 1005 00:51:57,562 --> 00:52:00,151 Graffiti writers reinvented themselves, 1006 00:52:00,186 --> 00:52:02,153 and you had people like Cost and Revs 1007 00:52:02,188 --> 00:52:04,707 who started putting wheat paste up everywhere 1008 00:52:04,742 --> 00:52:06,675 with all kinds of messaging. 1009 00:52:06,709 --> 00:52:07,986 And then you have the emergence of people 1010 00:52:08,021 --> 00:52:10,679 like Shepard Fairey, who also saw the potential 1011 00:52:10,713 --> 00:52:12,129 of just putting posters, 1012 00:52:12,163 --> 00:52:15,511 like rock club announcements of punk announcements. 1013 00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:20,930 All of a sudden, these little rats started appearing. 1014 00:52:20,965 --> 00:52:23,036 And more people were doing stickers 1015 00:52:23,070 --> 00:52:27,040 that weren't based around a skateboard brand. 1016 00:52:28,593 --> 00:52:30,630 There was Shepard Fairey, there was Bast, 1017 00:52:30,664 --> 00:52:34,634 there was Foul, Banksy, Osgemeos. 1018 00:52:36,014 --> 00:52:40,191 People using an opportunity in the street 1019 00:52:40,226 --> 00:52:42,331 and turning it into their advantage. 1020 00:52:43,781 --> 00:52:46,508 You know, turning bollards into like missiles. 1021 00:52:47,992 --> 00:52:49,511 And it sounds, like, corny and shit, 1022 00:52:49,545 --> 00:52:51,340 but it was just something different. 1023 00:52:53,618 --> 00:52:55,102 There was a bunch of people around the world 1024 00:52:55,137 --> 00:52:58,140 that were doing something that wasn't graffiti, 1025 00:52:58,175 --> 00:52:59,969 and at the time it didn't have a name. 1026 00:53:11,464 --> 00:53:13,155 The nascent street art movement 1027 00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:15,985 found a home in Shoreditch, a rundown district 1028 00:53:16,020 --> 00:53:19,575 in London's East End, where a new underground was thriving. 1029 00:53:29,620 --> 00:53:32,588 It was a mixed place where immigrants, 1030 00:53:32,623 --> 00:53:36,247 people without much money all could mix. 1031 00:53:36,282 --> 00:53:40,251 This whole new street scene began to move in. 1032 00:53:40,286 --> 00:53:44,842 Artists went there of all types,because the rent was cheap. 1033 00:53:46,982 --> 00:53:49,053 Banksy, now living in London, 1034 00:53:49,087 --> 00:53:52,298 was a fixture at The Dragon, a small bar tucked away 1035 00:53:52,332 --> 00:53:54,817 in a side street near the Old Street Roundabout 1036 00:53:54,852 --> 00:53:57,026 that had become the informal headquarters 1037 00:53:57,061 --> 00:53:58,614 of the street art community. 1038 00:54:00,202 --> 00:54:04,102 Dragon Bar was this unique, weird place 1039 00:54:04,137 --> 00:54:06,553 that was run by a guy called Justin Piggott, 1040 00:54:08,348 --> 00:54:10,074 who was an ex-junkie, 1041 00:54:11,834 --> 00:54:18,082 but into art, and it was modeledon like a Lower East Side, 1042 00:54:18,116 --> 00:54:21,188 kind of divey, skateboardy, graffiti bar. 1043 00:54:22,293 --> 00:54:25,054 And at the back of the bar they had this car park, 1044 00:54:25,089 --> 00:54:27,471 and we used to put parties in that. 1045 00:54:27,505 --> 00:54:29,611 And because it was just that little bit 1046 00:54:29,645 --> 00:54:34,650 out of the beaten track, we'd keep it open all night. 1047 00:54:34,823 --> 00:54:37,274 We had a license to 11 o'clock, and we'd keep it-- 1048 00:54:37,308 --> 00:54:39,828 I was serving booze until three o'clock in the morning. 1049 00:54:39,862 --> 00:54:42,969 And I just became this lawless weird zone. 1050 00:54:43,003 --> 00:54:47,387 It was just like a free-wheeling kind of madness 1051 00:54:47,422 --> 00:54:50,045 where everybody knew each other. 1052 00:54:50,079 --> 00:54:51,736 You had artists coming in. 1053 00:54:51,771 --> 00:54:56,776 You had Faile coming into town, Bast, Invader, Shepard. 1054 00:54:57,328 --> 00:54:59,123 All these guys congregated there, 1055 00:54:59,157 --> 00:55:00,987 and it was an epicenter, really, 1056 00:55:01,021 --> 00:55:02,506 of the beginning of the scene. 1057 00:55:03,955 --> 00:55:08,063 At that time, Shoreditch and Tower Hamlets and Hackney, 1058 00:55:08,097 --> 00:55:10,652 they were the poorest boroughs in London, 1059 00:55:10,686 --> 00:55:12,654 so you could do stuff in the street 1060 00:55:12,688 --> 00:55:14,587 and it wouldn't get cleaned off. 1061 00:55:14,621 --> 00:55:16,071 And then it was like the whole place 1062 00:55:16,105 --> 00:55:17,279 became a wall of fame. 1063 00:55:22,836 --> 00:55:25,529 Me and Banksy, we painted all the posters 1064 00:55:25,563 --> 00:55:27,876 that used to go on Shoreditch Bridge, 1065 00:55:27,910 --> 00:55:29,326 upstairs in the Dragon Bar. 1066 00:55:34,503 --> 00:55:37,437 We'd go there, we'd cut stencils, make posters. 1067 00:55:38,783 --> 00:55:40,095 And then, two o'clock in the morning, 1068 00:55:40,129 --> 00:55:41,924 when we were pissed enough, go out 1069 00:55:41,959 --> 00:55:45,721 and jump over railway bridges and paint stuff. 1070 00:55:50,243 --> 00:55:53,177 Armies of rats, monkeys, and other images 1071 00:55:53,211 --> 00:55:55,490 started to appear all over London, 1072 00:55:55,524 --> 00:55:57,354 a new type of visual language 1073 00:55:57,388 --> 00:56:00,011 that became part of the fabric of the East End 1074 00:56:00,046 --> 00:56:01,944 and which locals came to associate 1075 00:56:01,979 --> 00:56:04,153 with a single, mysterious name. 1076 00:56:05,292 --> 00:56:07,433 It's about underground culture. 1077 00:56:07,467 --> 00:56:09,883 The things that come up from the sewers. 1078 00:56:09,918 --> 00:56:11,540 Like most people, I have a fantasy 1079 00:56:11,575 --> 00:56:15,302 that all the little powerless losers will gang up together, 1080 00:56:15,337 --> 00:56:17,753 that all the vermin will get some good equipment, 1081 00:56:17,788 --> 00:56:19,755 and then the underground will go overground 1082 00:56:19,790 --> 00:56:21,239 and tear this city apart. 1083 00:56:23,449 --> 00:56:24,622 They'd be like, "Oh yeah, 1084 00:56:24,657 --> 00:56:26,106 "I'm gonna go out and paint some rats." 1085 00:56:26,141 --> 00:56:29,489 So, "Yeah, we'll come, look out and help you paint." 1086 00:56:31,457 --> 00:56:32,803 It was just like, yeah, get some cans of beer 1087 00:56:32,837 --> 00:56:34,736 from the fucking, from the kebab shop, 1088 00:56:36,531 --> 00:56:38,740 and off on your bikes and cycle around. 1089 00:56:38,774 --> 00:56:40,155 It was just fun. 1090 00:56:40,189 --> 00:56:44,021 It was like, really likeinnocent and naive and just fun. 1091 00:56:44,055 --> 00:56:46,195 We were literally just having a laugh. 1092 00:56:46,230 --> 00:56:47,956 I don't think any, maybe Banksy did, 1093 00:56:47,990 --> 00:56:50,372 maybe he had more of a plan than the rest of us, 1094 00:56:50,407 --> 00:56:53,479 but I don't think any of us thought really had like, 1095 00:56:53,513 --> 00:56:54,445 we were just doing it for fun. 1096 00:56:56,447 --> 00:57:00,451 It was a really interesting, fun time that was nothing 1097 00:57:00,486 --> 00:57:04,973 to do with finance or how much money things cost. 1098 00:57:05,007 --> 00:57:07,078 These guys were just doing it for shits and giggles. 1099 00:57:07,113 --> 00:57:08,942 It was like, no one at the time thought 1100 00:57:08,977 --> 00:57:11,082 they were ever gonna make any money out of it. 1101 00:57:11,117 --> 00:57:12,774 They just had something to say. 1102 00:57:14,051 --> 00:57:16,294 It reminded me of graffiti. 1103 00:57:16,329 --> 00:57:18,331 We were running round, stenciling, 1104 00:57:18,365 --> 00:57:20,437 climbing over bridges. 1105 00:57:20,471 --> 00:57:22,473 It wasn't about putting your names up there. 1106 00:57:22,508 --> 00:57:24,717 It was about putting your imagery up there. 1107 00:57:30,688 --> 00:57:33,242 It was an interesting mix of Traveler, 1108 00:57:33,277 --> 00:57:36,487 anarchist, punk, politics, 1109 00:57:36,522 --> 00:57:40,284 combined with end-of-the-pier, who were misses, 1110 00:57:40,318 --> 00:57:42,666 English seaside humor. 1111 00:57:42,700 --> 00:57:44,081 The jokes were easy to get, 1112 00:57:44,944 --> 00:57:47,705 and the imagery is accessible and digestible. 1113 00:57:49,569 --> 00:57:52,676 Very palatable to the everyday person 1114 00:57:52,710 --> 00:57:55,126 to walk by and say, "Oh! 1115 00:57:56,265 --> 00:57:57,163 "Okay." 1116 00:57:59,855 --> 00:58:01,512 'Cause you don't choose your audience 1117 00:58:01,547 --> 00:58:03,859 if you're putting work on the street. 1118 00:58:03,894 --> 00:58:06,793 The work is talking to people of all classes, 1119 00:58:06,828 --> 00:58:09,486 all creeds, all colors, all religions, all ages. 1120 00:58:11,557 --> 00:58:14,145 It didn't make people feel stupid. 1121 00:58:14,180 --> 00:58:18,218 The trouble with a lot of art, galleries, museums, 1122 00:58:18,253 --> 00:58:19,703 I think it intimidates people. 1123 00:58:19,737 --> 00:58:21,877 And this was something that was easy to get, 1124 00:58:21,912 --> 00:58:26,088 people could understand, and felt that it belonged to them. 1125 00:58:26,123 --> 00:58:28,194 This is art where we're not made to feel stupid. 1126 00:58:28,228 --> 00:58:30,403 For the first time, I can like art. 1127 00:58:31,508 --> 00:58:35,442 It's that juxtaposition of iconic imagery 1128 00:58:35,477 --> 00:58:38,204 that many times we took for granted. 1129 00:58:38,238 --> 00:58:41,897 You put that over here, gonna stay this about it, 1130 00:58:41,932 --> 00:58:43,174 and then it's like, okay, 1131 00:58:43,209 --> 00:58:46,315 now we almost have like this tension-filled 1132 00:58:46,350 --> 00:58:48,559 conversation that you just can't walk by. 1133 00:58:48,594 --> 00:58:49,871 Now you gotta stop. 1134 00:58:49,905 --> 00:58:51,355 Now you gotta think about it. 1135 00:58:51,389 --> 00:58:53,081 And you didn't have to pay for it. 1136 00:58:54,876 --> 00:58:58,880 There are jokes always like the sign saying 1137 00:58:58,914 --> 00:59:03,850 designated graffiti area, or designated riot area. 1138 00:59:03,885 --> 00:59:05,887 It makes you laugh and it makes you think 1139 00:59:05,921 --> 00:59:07,371 about the issue he's raised. 1140 00:59:09,373 --> 00:59:10,547 In Banksy's work, there's a lot 1141 00:59:10,581 --> 00:59:12,583 of imagery related to innocence. 1142 00:59:12,618 --> 00:59:16,380 There's often children, there's often nature, 1143 00:59:16,414 --> 00:59:19,763 animals, things that we associate with people 1144 00:59:19,797 --> 00:59:22,075 or things that need to be cared for. 1145 00:59:22,110 --> 00:59:24,353 Banksy has a pretty wide repertoire 1146 00:59:24,388 --> 00:59:26,597 of recurring figures in his work. 1147 00:59:26,632 --> 00:59:27,702 The mice. 1148 00:59:28,634 --> 00:59:32,051 They're typically engaged in some weird high jinks. 1149 00:59:34,432 --> 00:59:36,607 Apes also frequently appear. 1150 00:59:36,642 --> 00:59:40,266 They're often shown to be kind of smarter, 1151 00:59:40,300 --> 00:59:41,957 more interesting than humans 1152 00:59:41,992 --> 00:59:43,856 that they will probably take over 1153 00:59:43,890 --> 00:59:45,340 once we've finished screwing up 1154 00:59:45,374 --> 00:59:47,135 the whole world and destroying it. 1155 00:59:48,619 --> 00:59:52,312 The kids, I think, show the precociousness that exists, 1156 00:59:52,347 --> 00:59:55,419 the joy that exists, the sort of naivete, 1157 00:59:55,453 --> 00:59:59,768 the fun that can still exist in the world, 1158 00:59:59,803 --> 01:00:02,633 and how children sometimes are oblivious 1159 01:00:02,668 --> 01:00:05,463 or even smarter than the adults. 1160 01:00:05,498 --> 01:00:07,776 They're a very important piece to his work 1161 01:00:07,811 --> 01:00:09,847 and really communicate really strong messages 1162 01:00:09,882 --> 01:00:12,470 about where we are as a society. 1163 01:00:14,852 --> 01:00:16,716 Then policemen often appear too. 1164 01:00:16,751 --> 01:00:19,236 They're shown as figures of authority 1165 01:00:19,270 --> 01:00:21,341 who should be questioned. 1166 01:00:21,376 --> 01:00:24,586 But they're also shown sympathetically, 1167 01:00:24,621 --> 01:00:26,795 people who are in roles of authority 1168 01:00:26,830 --> 01:00:29,867 that sometimes they feel a conflict with. 1169 01:00:29,902 --> 01:00:32,939 I'm thinking also of the two policemen kissing 1170 01:00:32,974 --> 01:00:36,805 and that being something to think about policemen 1171 01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:39,394 in a different way, maybe, than we sometimes do. 1172 01:00:40,395 --> 01:00:45,262 He is wanting to uphold the beauty and power 1173 01:00:46,263 --> 01:00:49,646 and selfhood of the everyday person, 1174 01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:52,821 in contrast to institutional systems 1175 01:00:52,856 --> 01:00:56,998 that are weighing things down and controlling things. 1176 01:01:06,386 --> 01:01:08,561 The street art scene arrived at a time 1177 01:01:08,595 --> 01:01:10,597 when the established contemporary art world 1178 01:01:10,632 --> 01:01:13,393 had, to some extent, lost its way. 1179 01:01:13,428 --> 01:01:16,949 British art and culture had thrived during the '90s. 1180 01:01:16,983 --> 01:01:19,192 The conservative government of the poll tax 1181 01:01:19,227 --> 01:01:21,919 and the Criminal Justice Act had been swept away 1182 01:01:21,954 --> 01:01:25,509 by the wave of optimism that carried Tony Blair into office 1183 01:01:25,543 --> 01:01:28,201 and the phrase "cool Britannia" was coined 1184 01:01:28,236 --> 01:01:29,755 to capture the sense of pride 1185 01:01:29,789 --> 01:01:33,517 in British culture, music, film, and fashion. 1186 01:01:34,725 --> 01:01:35,692 -Oh my God! 1187 01:01:37,417 --> 01:01:39,661 It was all happening in Britain. 1188 01:01:39,696 --> 01:01:41,421 There was a new sprit, a new confidence, 1189 01:01:41,456 --> 01:01:42,733 and youthful energy. 1190 01:01:48,946 --> 01:01:50,223 Britain was swinging again. 1191 01:01:51,742 --> 01:01:54,469 Almost like a replay of the '60s, go-getting, 1192 01:01:54,503 --> 01:01:56,333 like we're gonna take over the world. 1193 01:01:58,715 --> 01:02:00,268 The contemporary art scene 1194 01:02:00,302 --> 01:02:03,512 was dominated by the so-called Young British Artists, 1195 01:02:03,547 --> 01:02:07,137 or YBAs, a loose grouping of insurgent artists 1196 01:02:07,171 --> 01:02:09,933 led by Damien Hirst and celebrated 1197 01:02:09,967 --> 01:02:12,521 as daring and rebellious iconoclasts. 1198 01:02:13,453 --> 01:02:17,872 But by the early 2000s, coolBritannia had burned itself out 1199 01:02:17,906 --> 01:02:20,288 and the YBA's luster had faded. 1200 01:02:20,322 --> 01:02:22,221 Big money had moved in. 1201 01:02:22,255 --> 01:02:25,051 And for many, it was hard to escape the feeling 1202 01:02:25,086 --> 01:02:27,329 that normal service had been resumed. 1203 01:02:28,779 --> 01:02:30,229 $1.6 million. 1204 01:02:30,263 --> 01:02:32,265 The art world is the biggest joke going. 1205 01:02:32,300 --> 01:02:34,509 It's a rest home for the over privileged, 1206 01:02:34,543 --> 01:02:36,511 the pretentious, and the weak. 1207 01:02:36,545 --> 01:02:38,789 And modern art is a disgrace. 1208 01:02:38,824 --> 01:02:41,792 Never had so many people used so much stuff 1209 01:02:41,827 --> 01:02:44,519 and taken so long to say so little. 1210 01:02:44,553 --> 01:02:47,039 Still, the plus side is it's probably 1211 01:02:47,073 --> 01:02:48,592 the easiest business in the world 1212 01:02:48,626 --> 01:02:51,906 to walk into with no talent and make a few bucks. 1213 01:02:53,355 --> 01:02:56,842 The Young British Artists had become the establishment. 1214 01:02:56,876 --> 01:02:59,396 Hirst started off as a revolutionary. 1215 01:02:59,430 --> 01:03:01,708 He was now the establishment. 1216 01:03:01,743 --> 01:03:04,056 Damien, Sarah, and Angus all showed together 1217 01:03:04,090 --> 01:03:07,611 in a seminal show in 1988 called Freeze. 1218 01:03:07,645 --> 01:03:10,303 16 years later, they're exhibiting together, 1219 01:03:10,338 --> 01:03:13,686 but at Tate Britain rather than in a warehouse. 1220 01:03:14,860 --> 01:03:17,207 We're no longer YBAs, we're OAPs. 1221 01:03:18,898 --> 01:03:22,799 Art had become glamorous, become fashionable. 1222 01:03:22,833 --> 01:03:25,663 Charles Saatchi's gallery made it 1223 01:03:25,698 --> 01:03:28,735 into an important source of money for artists. 1224 01:03:28,770 --> 01:03:30,910 And something had to crack in this, 1225 01:03:30,945 --> 01:03:34,811 because this is not what art is supposed to be all about. 1226 01:03:34,845 --> 01:03:38,745 And what came out from it was street art. 1227 01:03:39,470 --> 01:03:41,852 Street art was always really good 1228 01:03:41,887 --> 01:03:44,234 at being the little cheeky chappy 1229 01:03:44,268 --> 01:03:46,823 doing that little thing behind your back. 1230 01:03:46,857 --> 01:03:48,065 Oh, that's kinda funny. 1231 01:03:48,100 --> 01:03:51,241 Oh, he's having a pop at the government. 1232 01:03:51,275 --> 01:03:53,450 Your older brother was into Damien Hirst 1233 01:03:53,484 --> 01:03:57,557 and your younger brother who's nicking pills 1234 01:03:57,592 --> 01:03:59,697 and going raving is into Banksy. 1235 01:04:00,595 --> 01:04:02,459 The art world completely ignored it 1236 01:04:02,493 --> 01:04:04,875 because it's a populist art form. 1237 01:04:04,910 --> 01:04:06,946 And I think the art world hate that. 1238 01:04:06,981 --> 01:04:08,534 Populism isn't a bad thing. 1239 01:04:08,568 --> 01:04:11,640 It doesn't mean something that's crass and shit. 1240 01:04:11,675 --> 01:04:14,920 Sometimes it just means that people like it. 1241 01:04:16,059 --> 01:04:19,994 This was like a movement that became powerful 1242 01:04:20,028 --> 01:04:23,169 through the people, not through museum's 1243 01:04:23,204 --> 01:04:24,999 and galleries and curators. 1244 01:04:25,033 --> 01:04:28,416 This was driven by a general love of the art form 1245 01:04:28,450 --> 01:04:30,383 by the general population. 1246 01:04:32,109 --> 01:04:33,731 I'm frustrated by many things, 1247 01:04:33,766 --> 01:04:34,940 but trying to get accepted 1248 01:04:34,974 --> 01:04:36,942 by the art world isn't one of them. 1249 01:04:36,976 --> 01:04:39,945 This seems difficult for people to understand. 1250 01:04:39,979 --> 01:04:41,912 You do not paint graffiti in the vain hope 1251 01:04:41,947 --> 01:04:44,466 that one day some big fat Tory will discover you 1252 01:04:44,501 --> 01:04:46,192 and put your pictures on his wall. 1253 01:04:47,435 --> 01:04:49,195 If you draw on walls in public, 1254 01:04:49,230 --> 01:04:51,680 then you are already operating on a higher level. 1255 01:04:52,889 --> 01:04:54,891 But whereas the YBAs had benefited 1256 01:04:54,925 --> 01:04:58,653 from studios, galleries, grants and patrons, 1257 01:04:58,687 --> 01:05:01,207 London's street artists had few resources 1258 01:05:01,242 --> 01:05:04,348 beyond the beer-stained floor of the Dragon Bar. 1259 01:05:04,383 --> 01:05:06,661 For Banksy, a friendship that he had formed 1260 01:05:06,695 --> 01:05:09,940 with photographer and fellow Bristolian Steve Lazerides 1261 01:05:09,975 --> 01:05:12,425 soon became key to promoting his art. 1262 01:05:13,910 --> 01:05:18,466 Steve Lazerides was vital to Banksy's career for a time. 1263 01:05:18,500 --> 01:05:22,780 What they did was show that you didn't have to have 1264 01:05:22,815 --> 01:05:25,231 a gallery, be attached to a gallery, 1265 01:05:25,266 --> 01:05:28,614 to be a well-known, successful artist. 1266 01:05:28,648 --> 01:05:30,892 They could make their own gallery. 1267 01:05:30,927 --> 01:05:34,965 They could attract people to it through various means 1268 01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:37,864 that Lazarides was absolutely king at. 1269 01:05:38,451 --> 01:05:41,799 What Lazarides did with Banksy was to establish 1270 01:05:41,834 --> 01:05:44,906 a new way of getting art to the public. 1271 01:05:46,494 --> 01:05:48,772 The do-it-yourself ethos of the graffiti 1272 01:05:48,806 --> 01:05:50,774 and free party scenes carried over 1273 01:05:50,808 --> 01:05:52,707 to the project of building a system 1274 01:05:52,741 --> 01:05:55,710 for the sale and exhibition of street art. 1275 01:05:55,744 --> 01:05:59,300 One of the first installments came in the winter of 2002, 1276 01:05:59,334 --> 01:06:03,028 with Santa's Ghetto, an exhibition of work by Banksy 1277 01:06:03,062 --> 01:06:06,963 and Ben Eine that went on to become an annual event. 1278 01:06:06,997 --> 01:06:10,863 We'd been painting stuff on the street, and ... 1279 01:06:12,106 --> 01:06:14,280 I think some of us had websites, 1280 01:06:14,315 --> 01:06:17,870 so we were aware of an interest in people 1281 01:06:17,904 --> 01:06:21,908 that wanted to consume or buy what we were doing, 1282 01:06:21,943 --> 01:06:23,393 but we didn't really have anything for sale 1283 01:06:23,427 --> 01:06:25,567 or a way of selling it. 1284 01:06:25,602 --> 01:06:28,846 So, we did a Santa's Ghetto party. 1285 01:06:28,881 --> 01:06:32,264 And yeah, the first one was upstairs at The Dragon Bar. 1286 01:06:32,298 --> 01:06:35,025 A friend our ours, Marcus, was the drunk, 1287 01:06:35,060 --> 01:06:37,959 horrible, stinky Santa in the corner. 1288 01:06:39,064 --> 01:06:41,998 And yeah, we sold everything for Like 50 quid or something. 1289 01:06:43,551 --> 01:06:46,174 It was completely anarchic. 1290 01:06:46,209 --> 01:06:47,934 I was walking through Shoreditch, 1291 01:06:47,969 --> 01:06:52,629 from the offices to the Dragon Bar with like handfuls 1292 01:06:52,663 --> 01:06:54,838 of Banksy prints that would now be worth 1293 01:06:54,872 --> 01:06:57,634 millions of pounds, just taking 'em up there. 1294 01:06:57,668 --> 01:06:59,394 And yeah, I kind of ran it and sold it, 1295 01:06:59,429 --> 01:07:01,258 and it was completely mental. 1296 01:07:02,432 --> 01:07:04,606 Take over a building and don't turn it 1297 01:07:04,641 --> 01:07:06,332 into an art gallery. 1298 01:07:06,367 --> 01:07:10,681 You know, just anti-art gallery, anti-establishment, 1299 01:07:10,716 --> 01:07:13,236 and yeah, going back to that punk kind of ethic. 1300 01:07:14,409 --> 01:07:17,067 We were selling the multiple canvases. 1301 01:07:17,102 --> 01:07:19,552 So, at the time, they cost 250 quid. 1302 01:07:19,587 --> 01:07:23,246 So, Girl and Balloon was 250 pound for a canvas. 1303 01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:29,045 And he painted them all in the upstairs of where we were. 1304 01:07:29,493 --> 01:07:31,668 So we had like 25 canvasses laid out. 1305 01:07:31,702 --> 01:07:34,774 As he was spraying them, I was numbering them, 1306 01:07:34,809 --> 01:07:36,845 then he'd sign them, and then we'd take 'em downstairs 1307 01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:38,744 and sell 'em as were going out. 1308 01:07:38,778 --> 01:07:42,506 And that was the whole idea, really, in those early days, 1309 01:07:42,541 --> 01:07:46,959 was to make, again, affordable art for people. 1310 01:07:46,993 --> 01:07:47,925 And public interest 1311 01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:50,100 in the movement was soaring. 1312 01:07:50,135 --> 01:07:52,654 Work that in earlier times might have been seen 1313 01:07:52,689 --> 01:07:55,864 by only a handful of people who passed it on the street 1314 01:07:55,899 --> 01:07:58,419 could now be preserved and shared online, 1315 01:07:58,453 --> 01:08:01,111 greatly enhancing the profile of the artist. 1316 01:08:02,250 --> 01:08:04,010 Banksy was clearly emerging 1317 01:08:04,045 --> 01:08:06,668 as the most prominent of the street artists. 1318 01:08:06,703 --> 01:08:08,636 At a time when youth culture was turning 1319 01:08:08,670 --> 01:08:11,017 its face against governments on both side 1320 01:08:11,052 --> 01:08:13,779 of the Atlantic and protesting the war on terror 1321 01:08:13,813 --> 01:08:16,678 and invasion of Iraq, Banksy's antiwar, 1322 01:08:16,713 --> 01:08:20,751 anti-authority agitprop chimed with the popular mood. 1323 01:08:22,132 --> 01:08:25,446 The war was very important to Banksy's development. 1324 01:08:25,480 --> 01:08:27,586 The no war or wrong war arts 1325 01:08:27,620 --> 01:08:30,071 very much came from that period. 1326 01:08:30,106 --> 01:08:33,385 It was a perception that New Labour and Tony Blair 1327 01:08:33,419 --> 01:08:38,010 had let down the generation, the post-Thatcher generation, 1328 01:08:38,044 --> 01:08:40,392 the same people running society. 1329 01:08:40,426 --> 01:08:42,428 And Banksy and his generation 1330 01:08:42,463 --> 01:08:44,844 I think very much came out of that. 1331 01:08:44,879 --> 01:08:46,467 There's a real distrust. 1332 01:08:49,090 --> 01:08:51,057 I think you could see a lot of the spirit 1333 01:08:51,092 --> 01:08:52,990 of that '80s and '90s underground scene 1334 01:08:53,025 --> 01:08:56,166 in a lot of his earlier political work, definitely. 1335 01:08:56,201 --> 01:08:58,720 And that's finally what struck a chord 1336 01:08:58,755 --> 01:09:01,275 with the vast majority of the British public 1337 01:09:01,309 --> 01:09:07,557 who tapped into the Banksy phenomenon, was that spirit. 1338 01:09:08,834 --> 01:09:11,492 He was able to articulate a lot of things 1339 01:09:11,526 --> 01:09:14,702 that people were thinking but not having 1340 01:09:14,736 --> 01:09:17,291 the same wherewithal or the tools, 1341 01:09:17,325 --> 01:09:20,880 or the ingenuity to say this is what it is. 1342 01:09:24,574 --> 01:09:26,679 In the summer of 2003, 1343 01:09:26,714 --> 01:09:30,683 Banksy staged his breakthrough exhibition, Turf War, 1344 01:09:30,718 --> 01:09:33,307 a collection of his street work, sculpture, 1345 01:09:33,341 --> 01:09:35,757 and vandalized live animals, some of which 1346 01:09:35,792 --> 01:09:38,381 were painted in homage to graffiti folklore. 1347 01:09:39,968 --> 01:09:41,729 Cattle, pigs, and sheep 1348 01:09:41,763 --> 01:09:44,663 are the latest raw material for this man. 1349 01:09:44,697 --> 01:09:48,253 He calls himself Banksy, but that's not his real name. 1350 01:09:48,287 --> 01:09:50,186 He's a graffiti artist, 1351 01:09:50,220 --> 01:09:53,741 and he believes that anonymity is essential. 1352 01:09:53,775 --> 01:09:56,813 I'm disguised because you can't ... 1353 01:09:58,263 --> 01:10:01,438 You can't really be a graffiti writer and then go public. 1354 01:10:02,646 --> 01:10:05,373 It's like the two things don't quite go together. 1355 01:10:07,133 --> 01:10:09,757 The event caused a sensation in London, 1356 01:10:09,791 --> 01:10:12,035 with celebrities jostling to get in 1357 01:10:12,069 --> 01:10:13,933 and the media crowning Banksy 1358 01:10:13,968 --> 01:10:16,902 the UK's most feted underground artist. 1359 01:10:17,937 --> 01:10:19,732 The Turf War show was hilarious. 1360 01:10:19,767 --> 01:10:23,978 It was like in this huge squat up on Kingston Road. 1361 01:10:24,012 --> 01:10:25,151 And the thing with Banksy is like, 1362 01:10:25,186 --> 01:10:26,739 even in those early shows, 1363 01:10:28,396 --> 01:10:30,743 wherever he did it, in whatever period, 1364 01:10:30,778 --> 01:10:33,159 they were always supremely well-attended. 1365 01:10:33,194 --> 01:10:35,334 It was just chaotic. 1366 01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:39,165 There were queues outside, 1367 01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:42,755 models trying to get in, everyone trying to get in. 1368 01:10:42,790 --> 01:10:44,757 And the RSPCA was tipped off 1369 01:10:44,792 --> 01:10:47,450 that he was being cruel to animals. 1370 01:10:47,484 --> 01:10:50,073 Banksy fears not the critics 1371 01:10:50,107 --> 01:10:52,765 but the inspector from the RSPCA, 1372 01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:56,321 who's come to see if the animals are being maltreated. 1373 01:10:56,355 --> 01:11:00,221 The farmer from Somerset whoowns the animals has no qualms, 1374 01:11:00,256 --> 01:11:03,811 but will the animal welfare man agree? 1375 01:11:03,845 --> 01:11:07,159 The artist and the farmer have assured me 1376 01:11:07,193 --> 01:11:09,195 that they've been painted 1377 01:11:09,230 --> 01:11:13,924 using animal identification sprays, which is non-toxic, 1378 01:11:13,959 --> 01:11:16,996 washes off very easily, so there's gonna be 1379 01:11:17,031 --> 01:11:20,068 no harm done, even if the animal licks itself. 1380 01:11:20,103 --> 01:11:21,863 It's hard to make an entertaining picture 1381 01:11:21,898 --> 01:11:23,555 at the best of times, but at least if you have 1382 01:11:23,589 --> 01:11:28,594 something that kind of wanders around and licks its nose, 1383 01:11:29,215 --> 01:11:31,908 and urinates in front of you, then it's gonna make 1384 01:11:31,942 --> 01:11:33,358 the picture a bit more interesting, right? 1385 01:11:34,324 --> 01:11:36,395 Despite having a proper exhibition like this, 1386 01:11:36,430 --> 01:11:39,812 Banksy insists he's still a graffiti artist. 1387 01:11:40,675 --> 01:11:43,022 There are graffiti artists trying to climb into the pound 1388 01:11:43,057 --> 01:11:45,370 to spray the cow, and trying to explain to them 1389 01:11:45,404 --> 01:11:46,854 that it wasn't actually spray paint on it; 1390 01:11:46,888 --> 01:11:48,545 it was animal dye. 1391 01:11:48,580 --> 01:11:52,446 And then we had a animal rights protestor 1392 01:11:52,480 --> 01:11:55,863 that came up and chained herself to the scaffolding. 1393 01:11:55,897 --> 01:11:57,520 What she didn't know, that all we had to do 1394 01:11:57,554 --> 01:12:00,350 was kinda undo the thing and slide her handcuffs off. 1395 01:12:00,385 --> 01:12:01,558 But we left her there all day, 1396 01:12:01,593 --> 01:12:03,457 'cause we thought it was a good look. 1397 01:12:03,491 --> 01:12:05,838 We gave her some food and some drink and everything else, 1398 01:12:05,873 --> 01:12:09,048 and then she quite politely, at the end of the day, 1399 01:12:09,083 --> 01:12:10,636 kinda packed up and went off. 1400 01:12:11,672 --> 01:12:14,088 That was the one really that kinda kicked off 1401 01:12:14,122 --> 01:12:18,851 that kinda big show mentality with multiple things going on. 1402 01:12:20,232 --> 01:12:22,510 You had pigs, you had sheep, you had cows, 1403 01:12:22,545 --> 01:12:25,410 you had two vans up on top of each other, 1404 01:12:25,444 --> 01:12:27,343 in a squat in the middle of nowhere. 1405 01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:29,793 It was only on for three days, 1406 01:12:29,828 --> 01:12:32,037 and thousands of people turned up. 1407 01:12:33,452 --> 01:12:36,524 This was the exhibition that established him, 1408 01:12:36,559 --> 01:12:40,735 that meant that street art was a phenomenon 1409 01:12:40,770 --> 01:12:42,461 that had to be recognized. 1410 01:12:43,428 --> 01:12:45,982 He just had like this great vision 1411 01:12:46,016 --> 01:12:48,916 to be able to put on shows that weren't 1412 01:12:48,950 --> 01:12:51,263 in white-walled spaces and to show people 1413 01:12:51,297 --> 01:12:53,852 that art could be viewed in a different way. 1414 01:12:53,886 --> 01:12:56,406 And I think, yes, on that level I think 1415 01:12:56,441 --> 01:12:59,651 he was one of the forerunners to do those kind of shows. 1416 01:12:59,685 --> 01:13:01,722 But at that point in time it wasn't even a movement. 1417 01:13:01,756 --> 01:13:05,553 It was just us running around doing stuff. 1418 01:13:07,175 --> 01:13:08,522 That was about to change 1419 01:13:08,556 --> 01:13:10,972 with the founding of Pictures on Walls, 1420 01:13:11,007 --> 01:13:14,424 another step in there-imagining of the art economy. 1421 01:13:14,459 --> 01:13:18,497 A print house started by the artist Jamie Hewlett, Banksy, 1422 01:13:18,532 --> 01:13:21,604 and Steve Lazerides, with Ben Eine as the printer, 1423 01:13:21,638 --> 01:13:23,571 Pictures on Walls aimed to bring together 1424 01:13:23,606 --> 01:13:25,987 street artists from around the world 1425 01:13:26,022 --> 01:13:28,887 and make their work accessible to the general public. 1426 01:13:29,750 --> 01:13:32,994 I went to pick Banksy up from Bristol. 1427 01:13:33,926 --> 01:13:35,514 He diverted me. 1428 01:13:35,549 --> 01:13:37,447 We went to some print place to pick up some prints. 1429 01:13:37,482 --> 01:13:41,451 So it was a stack of Rude Copper prints. 1430 01:13:41,486 --> 01:13:44,316 And I'm like, "What are you gonna do with them?" 1431 01:13:44,350 --> 01:13:46,180 He said, "I'm taking them to the anarchist book fair, 1432 01:13:46,214 --> 01:13:48,527 "and I'm gonna sell 'em for a fiver each." 1433 01:13:48,562 --> 01:13:49,804 And I was just like, "You're an idiot. 1434 01:13:49,839 --> 01:13:51,427 "I'll buy 'em and I'll sell 'em for 20 quid. 1435 01:13:51,461 --> 01:13:54,878 "Come on, we can do better with it than that." 1436 01:13:54,913 --> 01:13:58,468 And then he kinda came up with the concept 1437 01:13:58,503 --> 01:13:59,952 of Pictures on Walls. 1438 01:13:59,987 --> 01:14:02,023 And again, the whole ethos of Pictures on Walls 1439 01:14:02,058 --> 01:14:04,474 was to make cheap, affordable art for the masses. 1440 01:14:06,165 --> 01:14:11,170 I was always into the American screen print system, 1441 01:14:11,377 --> 01:14:15,451 whereby you'd have artists like Frank Kozik and Coop 1442 01:14:15,485 --> 01:14:20,214 that would design gig posters for Beastie Boys, Nirvana. 1443 01:14:21,353 --> 01:14:23,493 And every time the Beastie Boys did a gig 1444 01:14:23,528 --> 01:14:25,115 as they toured across America, 1445 01:14:25,150 --> 01:14:28,118 there would be a poster that you could buy for 30 quid. 1446 01:14:28,153 --> 01:14:30,189 People were producing these really affordable, 1447 01:14:30,224 --> 01:14:33,020 fucking cool, what I consider to be cool, 1448 01:14:33,054 --> 01:14:36,782 pieces of art by people I consider to be artists, 1449 01:14:36,817 --> 01:14:38,439 and you could buy them really, really cheap. 1450 01:14:39,923 --> 01:14:41,477 And the only screen prints available 1451 01:14:41,511 --> 01:14:45,411 that you could get in England were like for high art. 1452 01:14:46,585 --> 01:14:48,587 And I wanted to try and do something 1453 01:14:48,622 --> 01:14:52,108 that was more based on the American gig poster system. 1454 01:14:52,142 --> 01:14:54,248 And that was kind of the idea 1455 01:14:54,282 --> 01:14:56,008 behind Pictures on Walls when we started it. 1456 01:14:56,906 --> 01:15:00,323 And again, in that kind of not knowing what we were doing. 1457 01:15:00,357 --> 01:15:05,259 So, we were making print runs like 600 and 750, 1458 01:15:05,293 --> 01:15:07,744 not knowing that that wasn't really considered 1459 01:15:07,779 --> 01:15:09,401 a limited edition. 1460 01:15:09,435 --> 01:15:11,334 But, you know, still went on and did it 1461 01:15:11,368 --> 01:15:13,819 and then started sucking in other artists 1462 01:15:13,854 --> 01:15:17,927 to work on it as well, like Invader, Motoo. 1463 01:15:17,961 --> 01:15:20,101 So then everyone got involved, and suddenly 1464 01:15:20,136 --> 01:15:22,552 it was like a focal point for the movement 1465 01:15:22,587 --> 01:15:24,968 about picking people to come and do prints. 1466 01:15:26,832 --> 01:15:28,040 You know, no one was earning money back then, 1467 01:15:28,075 --> 01:15:30,974 so you do a print with Pictures on Walls, 1468 01:15:31,009 --> 01:15:32,838 you could earn like six grand. 1469 01:15:34,081 --> 01:15:36,566 You know, which was a lot of money back then. 1470 01:15:36,601 --> 01:15:39,500 So, I saw it as a way whereby 1471 01:15:40,363 --> 01:15:43,987 I could make these artists money 1472 01:15:44,022 --> 01:15:45,679 and do something that I thought 1473 01:15:45,713 --> 01:15:49,096 was kinda quite important and showcase their work. 1474 01:15:50,891 --> 01:15:53,963 And the first print I did was a print 1475 01:15:53,997 --> 01:15:58,554 by an artist from Norway called Dolk. 1476 01:15:59,624 --> 01:16:03,731 And it was a Labrador fucking R2-D2. 1477 01:16:03,766 --> 01:16:06,423 Really high-brow stuff we were doing back then. 1478 01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:09,979 Although simple in concept, 1479 01:16:10,013 --> 01:16:12,429 Banksy and Lazerides' activities were, 1480 01:16:12,464 --> 01:16:15,053 at the time, revolutionary. 1481 01:16:15,087 --> 01:16:16,744 The street art movement had managed 1482 01:16:16,779 --> 01:16:18,746 to bypass all the established structures 1483 01:16:18,781 --> 01:16:22,405 for producing, exhibiting, and selling works of art. 1484 01:16:22,439 --> 01:16:25,270 And as Lazerides established himself as an art dealer, 1485 01:16:25,304 --> 01:16:28,998 Banksys became increasingly valuable properties. 1486 01:16:30,516 --> 01:16:34,279 Banksy's pretty good and kinda like working people 1487 01:16:34,313 --> 01:16:38,283 and getting into different crowds and different scenes. 1488 01:16:38,317 --> 01:16:39,595 You know, Jude Law. 1489 01:16:39,629 --> 01:16:40,975 And all of a sudden Jude Law was coming down 1490 01:16:41,010 --> 01:16:43,668 and giving us 10 grand for a painting. 1491 01:16:43,702 --> 01:16:45,531 Almost like drug dealers, at that point. 1492 01:16:45,566 --> 01:16:47,154 They were great people to buy art. 1493 01:16:48,086 --> 01:16:50,157 There was loads of cash. 1494 01:16:50,191 --> 01:16:52,400 They thought this art movement was cool. 1495 01:16:52,435 --> 01:16:54,989 They understood it a lot more than the YBAs. 1496 01:16:55,024 --> 01:16:56,577 It was affordable. 1497 01:16:56,612 --> 01:16:59,649 And we were the cheeky little shits running round London, 1498 01:16:59,684 --> 01:17:01,306 and people want to buy into that. 1499 01:17:01,478 --> 01:17:03,791 We had no idea what we were doing. 1500 01:17:03,826 --> 01:17:06,276 Pricing wise, I just made it up as we went along. 1501 01:17:06,311 --> 01:17:10,453 So, my theory was, if someone had 500 quid, 1502 01:17:10,487 --> 01:17:13,042 they've probably got 1,500, so if we did something 1503 01:17:13,076 --> 01:17:15,320 at 500 quid and it sold out, 1504 01:17:15,354 --> 01:17:17,736 next time round it would be 1,500. 1505 01:17:17,771 --> 01:17:19,945 And then it was like, well if they've got 15, 1506 01:17:19,980 --> 01:17:22,396 then they might have 5, and it just jumped like that. 1507 01:17:22,430 --> 01:17:24,674 And in the end, when it started to get 1508 01:17:24,709 --> 01:17:28,747 to like tens of thousands of pounds, I could only do it 1509 01:17:28,782 --> 01:17:31,992 if I didn't say the full amount that the piece cost. 1510 01:17:32,026 --> 01:17:34,132 It was like, "Oh Christ, if I tell 'em it's 15 grand, 1511 01:17:34,166 --> 01:17:36,168 "I'm just gonna burst out laughing." 1512 01:17:36,203 --> 01:17:38,205 And it was like, "Yeah, mate, it's 15." 1513 01:17:39,689 --> 01:17:42,692 We made it quite difficult for people to buy pieces. 1514 01:17:42,727 --> 01:17:45,350 And like I said, it was like, I had no plan. 1515 01:17:45,384 --> 01:17:47,628 I never wanted to open a gallery. 1516 01:17:47,663 --> 01:17:50,424 It was just, we just made it up. 1517 01:18:01,746 --> 01:18:04,783 That winter, Banksy entered Tate Britain, 1518 01:18:04,818 --> 01:18:06,440 placed a painting on the wall, 1519 01:18:06,474 --> 01:18:08,304 and walked into the history books. 1520 01:18:09,512 --> 01:18:11,928 With the incursions in museums and galleries 1521 01:18:11,963 --> 01:18:13,619 and other stunts that followed, 1522 01:18:13,654 --> 01:18:17,727 Banksy pioneered a new type of illegal performance art, 1523 01:18:17,762 --> 01:18:20,281 and, in doing so, he began to transcend 1524 01:18:20,316 --> 01:18:21,593 the street art scene. 1525 01:18:24,423 --> 01:18:28,876 What really set him up was his interventions in galleries 1526 01:18:28,911 --> 01:18:31,568 in New York, London, and Paris. 1527 01:18:33,018 --> 01:18:36,884 That suddenly gave him the publicity that was needed 1528 01:18:36,919 --> 01:18:40,577 to make him into an artist that everyone knew who he was. 1529 01:18:43,753 --> 01:18:44,720 Careful planning. 1530 01:18:45,859 --> 01:18:47,688 Those were almost like a bank job. 1531 01:18:47,723 --> 01:18:49,690 You know, you'd sit and plan it out, 1532 01:18:49,725 --> 01:18:51,278 work out how it was gonna work. 1533 01:18:51,312 --> 01:18:55,178 If you think that he took a box that was this size, 1534 01:18:55,213 --> 01:18:57,560 with a freeze-dried rat in it, 1535 01:18:58,803 --> 01:19:00,839 drilled into the wall in the middle of the day 1536 01:19:00,874 --> 01:19:04,084 in the Natural History Museum during half term, 1537 01:19:04,118 --> 01:19:05,810 and put this piece up on the wall. 1538 01:19:07,121 --> 01:19:09,054 It's not just Banksy; there is a team, 1539 01:19:09,089 --> 01:19:11,781 although it's Banksy who's got to face up 1540 01:19:11,816 --> 01:19:13,990 to putting a picture on the wall 1541 01:19:14,025 --> 01:19:15,543 and possibly getting arrested. 1542 01:19:17,994 --> 01:19:21,895 One of the gallery invasions, some of his team 1543 01:19:21,929 --> 01:19:24,794 staged a sort of gay tiff, an argument going on 1544 01:19:24,829 --> 01:19:26,796 so that there was a disturbance, 1545 01:19:26,831 --> 01:19:30,144 which allowed Banksy to go an put a picture on the wall. 1546 01:19:31,318 --> 01:19:32,940 Once they'd set things in motion, 1547 01:19:34,286 --> 01:19:38,808 I was always maybe like 20, 30, 50 feet away 1548 01:19:38,843 --> 01:19:40,120 kind of photographing everything, 1549 01:19:40,154 --> 01:19:43,157 thinking there's nothing I can do 1550 01:19:43,192 --> 01:19:47,955 to tip them off or stop it if they're about to get caught. 1551 01:19:53,064 --> 01:19:56,239 To focus attention on somebody who was anonymous, 1552 01:19:56,274 --> 01:19:58,897 and so you've got a dilemma there immediately. 1553 01:19:58,932 --> 01:20:03,833 It also confirmed hisrelationship with the art world, 1554 01:20:03,868 --> 01:20:06,698 as being an outside, as someone has not, 1555 01:20:06,732 --> 01:20:10,046 didn't have access to galleries. 1556 01:20:10,081 --> 01:20:14,223 It owes a lot to graffiti, going into Disneyland 1557 01:20:14,257 --> 01:20:18,468 and handcuffing a Guantanamo prisoner to the railings 1558 01:20:18,503 --> 01:20:20,367 and getting out without getting caught. 1559 01:20:20,401 --> 01:20:23,404 The stakes are much higher, andthe audience is much bigger. 1560 01:20:24,336 --> 01:20:26,960 But the thinking is largely the same, I think. 1561 01:20:27,684 --> 01:20:30,791 I think Banksy was becoming a different kind of an artist. 1562 01:20:30,826 --> 01:20:35,071 He became this sort of hybrid street artist, 1563 01:20:35,106 --> 01:20:40,111 social activist, ad hacker, graffiti guy all into one. 1564 01:20:51,501 --> 01:20:53,883 In 2005, Banksy embarked 1565 01:20:53,918 --> 01:20:56,817 on his most eye-catching project yet. 1566 01:20:56,852 --> 01:21:00,165 Accompanied by Ben Eine, he traveled to the Middle East 1567 01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:01,822 to paint the West Bank barrier. 1568 01:21:03,513 --> 01:21:06,723 A controversial wall erected by the Israeli government, 1569 01:21:06,758 --> 01:21:09,243 the barrier separated the Palestinian territories 1570 01:21:09,278 --> 01:21:13,213 from Israel and was felt by many to be a supreme injustice 1571 01:21:13,247 --> 01:21:15,491 aimed at annexing Palestinian land 1572 01:21:15,525 --> 01:21:18,011 and subjugating the population. 1573 01:21:21,117 --> 01:21:22,636 In traveling to Palestine, 1574 01:21:22,670 --> 01:21:25,259 a territory under military occupation, 1575 01:21:25,294 --> 01:21:27,710 Banksy combined his flair for highly-planned, 1576 01:21:27,744 --> 01:21:30,575 audacious and risky stunts with his use 1577 01:21:30,609 --> 01:21:33,578 of striking imagery and sense of social mission. 1578 01:21:34,268 --> 01:21:36,512 The collection of paintings that resulted 1579 01:21:36,546 --> 01:21:38,583 were met with international acclaim. 1580 01:21:39,584 --> 01:21:41,827 We wanted to got to Brazil, 1581 01:21:41,862 --> 01:21:43,657 because none of us had been to Brazil, 1582 01:21:43,691 --> 01:21:46,108 and the girls were really fit in Brazil, 1583 01:21:46,142 --> 01:21:48,696 and all of our girlfriends put their foot down, 1584 01:21:48,731 --> 01:21:51,458 said no, you're not going to go to Brazil. 1585 01:21:51,492 --> 01:21:54,254 There was three of us at the time. 1586 01:21:54,288 --> 01:21:56,049 No, you're not gonna go to Brazil. 1587 01:21:56,083 --> 01:21:58,914 That's ridiculous. 1588 01:21:58,948 --> 01:22:02,745 So, fundamentally, the biggest wall in the world, 1589 01:22:02,779 --> 01:22:04,367 and it seemed like something 1590 01:22:04,402 --> 01:22:06,991 that was continually in the press, always a problem, 1591 01:22:08,130 --> 01:22:10,304 the most religious ... 1592 01:22:11,202 --> 01:22:13,929 crazy, insane hotspot, 1593 01:22:15,861 --> 01:22:17,898 and the biggest wall in the world. 1594 01:22:17,933 --> 01:22:20,728 So, as a bunch of people that liked painting walls, 1595 01:22:21,660 --> 01:22:22,765 perfect destination. 1596 01:22:23,939 --> 01:22:25,733 I think we probably spent two weeks there, 1597 01:22:25,768 --> 01:22:27,666 and we painted a load of stuff, 1598 01:22:27,701 --> 01:22:29,875 and none of it was particularly political, 1599 01:22:31,256 --> 01:22:33,741 which is why we got away with what we got away with. 1600 01:22:35,157 --> 01:22:36,848 We'd go and paint, and the soldiers would come up. 1601 01:22:36,882 --> 01:22:39,023 They'd point guns at us, just ask us questions. 1602 01:22:39,057 --> 01:22:41,646 We'd be like, "Oh, we're idiot artists from London." 1603 01:22:41,680 --> 01:22:44,545 And then be like, "Okay, go now, go now." 1604 01:22:44,580 --> 01:22:46,133 And we'd be like, "Yeah, can we just quickly finish? 1605 01:22:46,168 --> 01:22:47,928 "It'll be finished in like two minutes." 1606 01:22:47,963 --> 01:22:49,550 And they'd be like, "Okay, finish. 1607 01:22:49,585 --> 01:22:51,000 "If we see you again, we get you arrested." 1608 01:22:51,035 --> 01:22:52,795 And then we'd drive like 20 miles 1609 01:22:52,829 --> 01:22:53,692 down the road or something. 1610 01:22:55,108 --> 01:22:58,249 The challenges were getting stuff into the country 1611 01:22:59,457 --> 01:23:01,493 and getting stuff out of the country. 1612 01:23:01,528 --> 01:23:03,806 Getting the photographs and the memory sticks 1613 01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:05,773 and the laptops out of the country. 1614 01:23:05,808 --> 01:23:08,155 Getting ladders, getting a car, 1615 01:23:08,190 --> 01:23:09,536 finding somewhere to stay. 1616 01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:11,745 We stayed in this hotel, 1617 01:23:11,779 --> 01:23:14,023 and no one had stayed there for like three years. 1618 01:23:15,162 --> 01:23:16,750 I think we did quite a few workshops 1619 01:23:16,784 --> 01:23:19,373 with the local kids in Palestine. 1620 01:23:19,408 --> 01:23:22,066 So we used that as a bit of an excuse 1621 01:23:22,100 --> 01:23:23,860 to get art equipment in. 1622 01:23:24,758 --> 01:23:27,105 There's not a Montana shop in Palestine, 1623 01:23:27,140 --> 01:23:29,487 so you can't just get your mom's credit card 1624 01:23:29,521 --> 01:23:30,936 and order a load of shit online 1625 01:23:30,971 --> 01:23:33,077 and it turns up the next day. 1626 01:23:33,939 --> 01:23:35,976 This idea of upping the stakes 1627 01:23:36,011 --> 01:23:39,014 and challenging yourself to go one step further. 1628 01:23:39,048 --> 01:23:40,498 He's produced some of his best work. 1629 01:23:41,637 --> 01:23:45,468 The work that Banksy created in Palestine in 2005 1630 01:23:45,503 --> 01:23:47,022 was very powerful. 1631 01:23:47,056 --> 01:23:50,508 The ones that I remember are as if the wall, 1632 01:23:50,542 --> 01:23:52,924 the barrier between Palestine and Israel, 1633 01:23:52,958 --> 01:23:56,583 were cracked open and you could see through it, 1634 01:23:56,617 --> 01:23:58,757 but you see paradise. 1635 01:23:58,792 --> 01:24:03,693 You see blue skies, you see nature, you see children. 1636 01:24:04,832 --> 01:24:07,801 And that really was such a stark difference 1637 01:24:07,835 --> 01:24:11,218 from the Palestinian plight of what was happening there. 1638 01:24:11,253 --> 01:24:13,772 Looked nothing like what he painted. 1639 01:24:16,603 --> 01:24:19,468 Certain people were becoming a lot more kinda like ... 1640 01:24:22,091 --> 01:24:25,439 understanding the way that the PR machine works. 1641 01:24:25,474 --> 01:24:27,027 So it wasn't until we came back 1642 01:24:27,062 --> 01:24:28,822 that those images became political. 1643 01:24:31,135 --> 01:24:33,033 And there was the message behind what we were doing. 1644 01:24:35,794 --> 01:24:38,003 If Banksy painted a big wall in London, 1645 01:24:39,143 --> 01:24:42,180 then maybe the arts editor in the Guardian 1646 01:24:42,215 --> 01:24:45,666 would write something about it on one of the back pages. 1647 01:24:45,701 --> 01:24:47,289 But this was one of the first times 1648 01:24:47,323 --> 01:24:48,980 when it actually kind of blew up. 1649 01:24:51,879 --> 01:24:55,193 I think the first trip to Palestine 1650 01:24:55,228 --> 01:24:58,783 elevated him to being a more serious artist 1651 01:24:58,817 --> 01:25:01,234 than perhaps anyone had taken him for, 1652 01:25:01,268 --> 01:25:03,305 because, don't forget, this was only two years 1653 01:25:03,339 --> 01:25:07,792 after he'd been into galleries,putting art on walls. 1654 01:25:07,826 --> 01:25:12,072 And here he was, saying, yes, I can joke around like this, 1655 01:25:12,107 --> 01:25:15,006 but I've also got, I've got serious points I want to make. 1656 01:25:16,421 --> 01:25:17,905 The plight of the Palestinians 1657 01:25:17,940 --> 01:25:21,185 would become a recurring theme in Banksy's life and work. 1658 01:25:21,219 --> 01:25:25,810 And in 2007, he held the annualSanta's Ghetto in Bethlehem. 1659 01:25:27,708 --> 01:25:29,917 The underlying message is that people 1660 01:25:29,952 --> 01:25:34,888 should come and see the harsh daily reality for themselves. 1661 01:25:34,922 --> 01:25:37,753 And some Palestinians are impressed. 1662 01:25:37,787 --> 01:25:39,927 Actually, I like the towers. 1663 01:25:39,962 --> 01:25:41,136 Towers, the little towers. 1664 01:25:41,170 --> 01:25:41,998 Yeah, the little towers. 1665 01:25:42,033 --> 01:25:43,103 -I like them. -Why? 1666 01:25:43,138 --> 01:25:46,520 Because I see them everywhere 1667 01:25:46,555 --> 01:25:48,419 where I travel in the West Bank. 1668 01:25:48,453 --> 01:25:53,182 But it's the first time that I see them in a colorful way 1669 01:25:53,217 --> 01:25:54,873 or something like-- 1670 01:25:54,908 --> 01:25:58,877 I wish that the Israeli army is influenced by this. 1671 01:26:00,258 --> 01:26:02,881 Eight years later, Banksy journeyed to Gaza, 1672 01:26:02,916 --> 01:26:05,746 where he made a two-minute film that drew attention 1673 01:26:05,781 --> 01:26:09,647 to the devastation caused by recent Israeli air strikes. 1674 01:26:09,681 --> 01:26:13,858 In 2017, he opened the Walled Off Hotel, 1675 01:26:13,892 --> 01:26:15,618 a dystopian art installation 1676 01:26:15,653 --> 01:26:17,586 that marked the hundred-year anniversary 1677 01:26:17,620 --> 01:26:19,898 of British control over Palestine. 1678 01:26:21,245 --> 01:26:23,937 The strongest work that Banksy has done in Palestine, 1679 01:26:23,971 --> 01:26:27,182 for me, is the Walled Off Hotel, in Bethlehem. 1680 01:26:28,355 --> 01:26:31,979 This is a hotel that he calls "the hotel 1681 01:26:32,014 --> 01:26:34,050 with the worst view in the world," 1682 01:26:34,085 --> 01:26:36,915 in that it overlooks the Israeli wall 1683 01:26:36,950 --> 01:26:39,780 that they built to separate Palestine from Israel. 1684 01:26:44,682 --> 01:26:49,687 It mocks that whole Palestinian-Israeli conflict. 1685 01:26:52,724 --> 01:26:56,003 You walk in, and there is a reflection 1686 01:26:56,038 --> 01:26:58,109 of the part that Britain played in this, 1687 01:26:58,143 --> 01:27:00,629 with the sort of colonial lobby 1688 01:27:00,663 --> 01:27:03,701 with a piano that plays concert music. 1689 01:27:08,395 --> 01:27:12,606 You've got Banksy pieces of art all around the lobby. 1690 01:27:12,641 --> 01:27:15,782 And you then go from that sort of colonial past 1691 01:27:15,816 --> 01:27:19,958 into a museum which goes through the whole history 1692 01:27:19,993 --> 01:27:23,307 of the Israel-Palestinian conflict. 1693 01:27:23,341 --> 01:27:27,449 And then you've got these rooms, one of them painted 1694 01:27:27,483 --> 01:27:30,279 by Banksy, a couple of them painted by others. 1695 01:27:31,694 --> 01:27:36,181 I just think, as a work of art,questioning what's going on, 1696 01:27:36,216 --> 01:27:40,220 reminding people of what'sgoing on, it's a fabulous piece. 1697 01:27:41,428 --> 01:27:42,878 I don't want to take sides, 1698 01:27:42,912 --> 01:27:44,983 but when you see entire suburban neighborhoods 1699 01:27:45,018 --> 01:27:48,297 reduced to rubble, with no hope in the future, 1700 01:27:48,332 --> 01:27:50,092 what you're really looking at is a vast, 1701 01:27:50,126 --> 01:27:52,750 outdoor recruitment center for terrorists, 1702 01:27:52,784 --> 01:27:55,477 and we should probably address this for all our sakes. 1703 01:27:57,582 --> 01:28:00,689 This guy, who doesn't live in this country, 1704 01:28:00,723 --> 01:28:02,725 traveled all the way over there, 1705 01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:05,728 and took it upon himself to make a statement 1706 01:28:05,763 --> 01:28:09,284 concerning a people that are not his people, 1707 01:28:09,318 --> 01:28:12,563 an injustice that's not necessarily his injustice. 1708 01:28:12,597 --> 01:28:16,946 And so, he painted with great clarity 1709 01:28:16,981 --> 01:28:20,640 what people around the world could imagine 1710 01:28:20,674 --> 01:28:23,228 are the dreams of the Palestinian people. 1711 01:28:24,264 --> 01:28:29,890 It showed how powerful street art could actually be 1712 01:28:29,925 --> 01:28:33,480 if you have the proper context and if you gave a shit. 1713 01:28:37,208 --> 01:28:39,935 The paintings on the Israeli separation barrier 1714 01:28:39,969 --> 01:28:42,351 earned Banksy a global following. 1715 01:28:42,386 --> 01:28:45,285 And in 2006, he opened his first 1716 01:28:45,320 --> 01:28:47,563 major exhibition outside Britain. 1717 01:28:49,047 --> 01:28:52,050 Entitled Barely Legal, the show was designed 1718 01:28:52,085 --> 01:28:54,536 along similar lines to Turf War. 1719 01:28:54,570 --> 01:28:56,848 It was staged in the inglamorous surroundings 1720 01:28:56,883 --> 01:28:59,817 of a warehouse in downtown Los Angeles, 1721 01:28:59,851 --> 01:29:03,648 featured a live, painted animal, this time an elephant, 1722 01:29:03,683 --> 01:29:06,686 and attempted to bring Banksy's alternative concept 1723 01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:10,103 of what an art show could be to an American audience. 1724 01:29:11,380 --> 01:29:13,727 Banksy doesn't do exhibitions. 1725 01:29:13,762 --> 01:29:17,248 The whole thing is an experience 1726 01:29:17,282 --> 01:29:18,525 I think it made a huge impact. 1727 01:29:18,560 --> 01:29:20,009 It think that it really showed people 1728 01:29:20,044 --> 01:29:23,565 that, yeah, we can do this, and there is no limits. 1729 01:29:23,599 --> 01:29:24,773 We don't have to go to a gallery 1730 01:29:24,807 --> 01:29:26,361 and listen to what they say about 1731 01:29:26,395 --> 01:29:28,811 you have a white wall, this is your space, you do it. 1732 01:29:28,846 --> 01:29:30,054 Now you could say, nah, I'm not gonna do that. 1733 01:29:30,088 --> 01:29:31,366 I'll go do my own thing. 1734 01:29:32,505 --> 01:29:33,747 We opened. 1735 01:29:33,782 --> 01:29:35,300 It was insane. 1736 01:29:35,335 --> 01:29:38,131 We didn't know anyone, so I made everyone queue, 1737 01:29:38,165 --> 01:29:40,375 so the only people that we'd let in 1738 01:29:40,409 --> 01:29:42,446 ahead of everyone else were Dennis Hopper, 1739 01:29:42,480 --> 01:29:44,171 'cause he's the only person I recognized, 1740 01:29:44,206 --> 01:29:45,828 and Sacha Baron Cohen. 1741 01:29:45,863 --> 01:29:49,556 So it's like we had studiobosses and all sorts queuing up. 1742 01:29:50,799 --> 01:29:52,387 It was a huge success. 1743 01:29:53,698 --> 01:29:55,493 A lot of work was bought. 1744 01:29:55,528 --> 01:29:58,427 The suggestion was that Banksy sold 1745 01:29:58,462 --> 01:30:01,775 three million pounds worth of art, which nowadays 1746 01:30:01,810 --> 01:30:05,192 doesn't seem like a huge figure, but then it was. 1747 01:30:05,227 --> 01:30:07,643 Hollywood royalty was there. 1748 01:30:07,678 --> 01:30:09,680 It was a sort of sensation. 1749 01:30:09,714 --> 01:30:12,407 Suddenly like everything's bathed in blue light 1750 01:30:12,441 --> 01:30:14,167 and flashbulbs are going off. 1751 01:30:14,201 --> 01:30:15,755 I'm like, "Christ, what's going on?" 1752 01:30:15,789 --> 01:30:18,274 And then, next thing I see is Brad and Angelina 1753 01:30:18,309 --> 01:30:20,138 getting out of a car. 1754 01:30:20,173 --> 01:30:22,486 Now, they'd not been seen in public together 1755 01:30:22,520 --> 01:30:25,523 for almost a year, so they turned up to the show. 1756 01:30:27,456 --> 01:30:29,838 Suddenly, there was this exhibition of an artist 1757 01:30:29,872 --> 01:30:32,012 no one had heard of in America much. 1758 01:30:33,531 --> 01:30:36,189 And it was the thing to do, it was the place to go, 1759 01:30:36,223 --> 01:30:38,433 the place to be seen, the place to buy. 1760 01:30:39,951 --> 01:30:42,851 But the place to be seen and the place to buy 1761 01:30:42,885 --> 01:30:45,267 was not where street art had started. 1762 01:30:45,301 --> 01:30:48,304 And the success of Barely Legalbrought with it a problem. 1763 01:30:49,409 --> 01:30:52,239 Although Banksy was at pains to ensure that his shows 1764 01:30:52,274 --> 01:30:55,691 were light years from thetraditional gallery experience, 1765 01:30:55,726 --> 01:30:58,763 they nevertheless remained art exhibitions. 1766 01:30:58,798 --> 01:31:01,007 The original concept of street art, 1767 01:31:01,041 --> 01:31:04,976 images place anonymously and illicitly in public spaces 1768 01:31:05,011 --> 01:31:06,668 as free art for the masses 1769 01:31:06,702 --> 01:31:08,566 had nothing to do with guest lists, 1770 01:31:08,601 --> 01:31:10,810 celebrity, glamor, and hype. 1771 01:31:12,328 --> 01:31:14,676 Street art is the whole thing. 1772 01:31:14,710 --> 01:31:17,161 It's everything about site, location. 1773 01:31:17,195 --> 01:31:18,576 It is a democratic art form. 1774 01:31:18,611 --> 01:31:19,853 It's about feedback. 1775 01:31:19,888 --> 01:31:21,545 It's all these other things that happen. 1776 01:31:23,270 --> 01:31:24,582 Site-specific. 1777 01:31:26,135 --> 01:31:27,620 A lot. 1778 01:31:27,654 --> 01:31:31,555 But then you have to take a bite-size piece of that, 1779 01:31:31,589 --> 01:31:32,659 and that goes over here. 1780 01:31:32,694 --> 01:31:33,591 Right? 1781 01:31:33,626 --> 01:31:34,972 And so then, does it change? 1782 01:31:35,006 --> 01:31:36,007 Yes. 1783 01:31:36,042 --> 01:31:38,113 Can it be authentic? 1784 01:31:38,147 --> 01:31:39,459 Not in the same way. 1785 01:31:40,633 --> 01:31:42,220 When he blew up here in the States, 1786 01:31:42,255 --> 01:31:45,741 it's because Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt bought his work. 1787 01:31:45,776 --> 01:31:47,294 That was like, whoa. 1788 01:31:47,329 --> 01:31:49,262 Who are they buying and what are they collecting? 1789 01:31:49,296 --> 01:31:51,609 And we should probably follow them, 1790 01:31:51,644 --> 01:31:53,266 because we have no minds of our own 1791 01:31:53,300 --> 01:31:55,026 and we only follow celebrities. 1792 01:31:56,441 --> 01:31:58,789 Banksy said it weirded him out. 1793 01:31:59,479 --> 01:32:01,861 He said he couldn't sell another painting 1794 01:32:01,895 --> 01:32:03,483 for the next couple of years. 1795 01:32:05,450 --> 01:32:09,040 He enjoys some of it but doesn't like 1796 01:32:09,075 --> 01:32:10,870 what comes with it some of the time. 1797 01:32:12,492 --> 01:32:14,252 When I was at the airport, I saw it 1798 01:32:14,287 --> 01:32:16,979 either on the Banky show's on the front cover of whatever, 1799 01:32:17,014 --> 01:32:20,776 like, OK!, Hello, and you're like, wow, 1800 01:32:20,811 --> 01:32:22,882 this has just gone nuts. 1801 01:32:29,716 --> 01:32:31,580 Banksy's soaring profile 1802 01:32:31,615 --> 01:32:33,686 completely upended the established order 1803 01:32:33,720 --> 01:32:34,514 in the art world. 1804 01:32:35,342 --> 01:32:37,137 Together with Steve Lazerides, 1805 01:32:37,172 --> 01:32:39,208 he had managed to create a system for art 1806 01:32:39,243 --> 01:32:41,970 that was entirely independent of the galleries, 1807 01:32:42,004 --> 01:32:44,351 auction houses, museums and financiers, 1808 01:32:45,283 --> 01:32:47,216 but which they could no longer ignore. 1809 01:32:48,079 --> 01:32:50,081 The phrase "The Banksy Effect" 1810 01:32:50,116 --> 01:32:52,118 started to appear in the media, 1811 01:32:52,152 --> 01:32:54,292 used to describe the explosion of interest 1812 01:32:54,327 --> 01:32:58,193 in a collection of previously obscure underground artists. 1813 01:32:59,401 --> 01:33:00,678 We didn't engage with the art world, 1814 01:33:00,713 --> 01:33:02,646 'cause we didn't need to. 1815 01:33:02,680 --> 01:33:04,958 I don't think anyone had any intention 1816 01:33:04,993 --> 01:33:07,582 to want him to be part of the art world. 1817 01:33:07,616 --> 01:33:09,963 If you think that most of these guys, 1818 01:33:09,998 --> 01:33:12,069 it was more of a stick it to the man 1819 01:33:12,103 --> 01:33:14,278 kind of attitude rather than, oh, 1820 01:33:14,312 --> 01:33:15,900 let's try and get into the Tate. 1821 01:33:17,902 --> 01:33:20,042 When did the contemporary art movement 1822 01:33:20,077 --> 01:33:22,424 start taking notice of street art? 1823 01:33:22,458 --> 01:33:27,015 When the press and magazines were writing about street art 1824 01:33:27,049 --> 01:33:29,258 more than they were writing about Damien Hirst. 1825 01:33:30,501 --> 01:33:33,090 And then you see Damien Hirst collaborating with Banksy. 1826 01:33:33,124 --> 01:33:34,781 These people aren't stupid, are they? 1827 01:33:39,475 --> 01:33:42,133 Street art had to be looked at. 1828 01:33:42,168 --> 01:33:44,411 Art critics had to look at it. 1829 01:33:44,446 --> 01:33:49,244 That it was work that should be seen as proper art, 1830 01:33:49,278 --> 01:33:53,144 not some vandal just putting up a bit of paint on a wall, 1831 01:33:53,179 --> 01:33:56,803 and it should be considered and thought about 1832 01:33:56,838 --> 01:33:59,288 and shouldn't be just painted over. 1833 01:34:08,573 --> 01:34:11,335 By 2008, street art was a feature 1834 01:34:11,369 --> 01:34:13,578 of urban landscapes across the planet 1835 01:34:13,613 --> 01:34:15,235 and had become the most significant 1836 01:34:15,270 --> 01:34:17,686 art movement of the 21st century. 1837 01:34:27,903 --> 01:34:32,528 The key figures in this movement were Shepard Fairey 1838 01:34:32,563 --> 01:34:36,049 with his Obey poster and his Hope poster, 1839 01:34:36,084 --> 01:34:38,086 which was a significant part 1840 01:34:38,120 --> 01:34:41,296 in the Obama presidential campaign. 1841 01:34:44,230 --> 01:34:47,233 Faile, the art collective. 1842 01:34:47,267 --> 01:34:49,166 Sort of beautiful work. 1843 01:34:49,200 --> 01:34:51,686 Very intense, intriguing work. 1844 01:34:56,311 --> 01:34:59,728 Ron English, who would change adverts 1845 01:34:59,763 --> 01:35:01,350 in an entertaining way. 1846 01:35:07,253 --> 01:35:10,705 Swoon, one of the few women graffiti artists, 1847 01:35:10,739 --> 01:35:13,569 who'd paste up her wood cuts. 1848 01:35:17,539 --> 01:35:19,921 RETNA in Los Angeles, who was more graffiti 1849 01:35:19,955 --> 01:35:21,267 but was very strong. 1850 01:35:22,993 --> 01:35:23,821 Ben Eine. 1851 01:35:29,240 --> 01:35:30,138 Pure Evil. 1852 01:35:34,004 --> 01:35:37,801 Invader, a French artist, named after Space Invader. 1853 01:35:37,835 --> 01:35:42,426 He put these small tiles in cities across the world. 1854 01:35:43,634 --> 01:35:45,843 People like that were making the difference. 1855 01:35:49,813 --> 01:35:52,298 The Banksy effect has kind of leveled out 1856 01:35:52,332 --> 01:35:53,506 the playing field. 1857 01:35:53,540 --> 01:35:56,405 So it's like, if an individual says, 1858 01:35:56,440 --> 01:35:59,615 I can't afford six figures to get an actual Banksy, 1859 01:35:59,650 --> 01:36:02,722 but I could go and support this other local artist 1860 01:36:02,757 --> 01:36:04,413 or this other artist who does work 1861 01:36:04,448 --> 01:36:07,796 that they may like that's similar, whereas 10, 20, 1862 01:36:07,831 --> 01:36:10,972 30 years ago, that conversationsimply didn't happen. 1863 01:36:13,457 --> 01:36:18,117 Banksy truly believed that this is an art movement, 1864 01:36:19,808 --> 01:36:24,364 and the bigger you can make this movement, the better, 1865 01:36:24,399 --> 01:36:26,435 and if you can make it a global movement. 1866 01:36:27,160 --> 01:36:30,543 And I think he always tried to position himself 1867 01:36:30,577 --> 01:36:34,271 as the leader of this movement,and he's achieved that. 1868 01:36:37,930 --> 01:36:40,829 If you think about it, since the YBAs, 1869 01:36:40,864 --> 01:36:43,694 there's been no other new movement of art 1870 01:36:43,728 --> 01:36:46,214 outside of what the graffiti scene has been doing, 1871 01:36:46,248 --> 01:36:49,389 and it's probably one of the most powerful art forms 1872 01:36:49,424 --> 01:36:53,566 globally and has millions and millions of followers. 1873 01:37:22,215 --> 01:37:24,252 The worldwide growth of street art 1874 01:37:24,286 --> 01:37:27,324 inevitable attracted money, big money. 1875 01:37:35,711 --> 01:37:38,818 After Christina Aguilera bought a Banksy original, 1876 01:37:38,853 --> 01:37:41,614 the price of his work doubled overnight. 1877 01:37:41,648 --> 01:37:44,789 Banksy auctions at Sotheby's saw record bids, 1878 01:37:44,824 --> 01:37:47,654 with sales reaching many time their upper estimates. 1879 01:37:49,415 --> 01:37:51,382 Having suddenly discovered street art, 1880 01:37:51,417 --> 01:37:54,316 collectors now clamored to buy up as much as they could. 1881 01:37:57,285 --> 01:37:59,459 It was like a new fucking gold rush. 1882 01:37:59,494 --> 01:38:00,426 It was mental. 1883 01:38:01,876 --> 01:38:05,327 We put a Faile show on at Greek Street, 1884 01:38:05,362 --> 01:38:06,673 and people were literally 1885 01:38:06,708 --> 01:38:09,228 like fighting each other to buy the paintings. 1886 01:38:09,262 --> 01:38:11,644 We did a Micklef show in Los Angeles, 1887 01:38:11,678 --> 01:38:15,959 where we opened the doors, and people literally ran at us 1888 01:38:15,993 --> 01:38:18,064 to come and buy the paintings. 1889 01:38:18,099 --> 01:38:19,583 It was insane. 1890 01:38:19,617 --> 01:38:22,551 And, you know, I think this had been whipped up 1891 01:38:22,586 --> 01:38:24,760 by the commercial art world as well 1892 01:38:24,795 --> 01:38:26,383 buying stuff and suddenly seeing 1893 01:38:26,417 --> 01:38:28,937 the returns that you could make on art. 1894 01:38:30,387 --> 01:38:34,839 When people buy art today, it's not always based on 1895 01:38:34,874 --> 01:38:38,291 what art they're drawn to personally. 1896 01:38:39,223 --> 01:38:43,469 At the highest echelons of the real super rich, 1897 01:38:44,608 --> 01:38:49,095 it's often because of what is ... 1898 01:38:49,130 --> 01:38:51,097 considered valuable at the time. 1899 01:38:52,719 --> 01:38:55,101 See, that is ... 1900 01:38:55,136 --> 01:38:58,449 part of the quandary. 1901 01:38:58,484 --> 01:39:01,142 You're dealing with artists 1902 01:39:01,176 --> 01:39:04,593 who essentially give their work away, 1903 01:39:04,628 --> 01:39:08,839 and now you're trying to commodify pieces of it. 1904 01:39:08,873 --> 01:39:10,220 And that is a challenge. 1905 01:39:11,324 --> 01:39:13,050 Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, 1906 01:39:13,085 --> 01:39:16,329 and a very warm welcome to Sotheby's. 1907 01:39:16,364 --> 01:39:18,918 The money was just a byproduct. 1908 01:39:18,953 --> 01:39:20,747 No one was going out to kinda make money. 1909 01:39:20,782 --> 01:39:22,266 We were just trying to keep up 1910 01:39:22,301 --> 01:39:24,751 with the people that were buying it an flipping it. 1911 01:39:24,786 --> 01:39:28,376 So, it was like, well if we charged bloody 250 quid, 1912 01:39:28,410 --> 01:39:29,894 and they're charging 20 grand for it, 1913 01:39:29,929 --> 01:39:31,310 then we're being idiots. 1914 01:39:31,344 --> 01:39:35,245 But I think that, ultimately, it's been the thing 1915 01:39:35,279 --> 01:39:38,041 that's, at the moment, destroying the scene, 1916 01:39:38,075 --> 01:39:41,665 because I think people are justlooking at it as a cash cow. 1917 01:39:41,699 --> 01:39:44,599 And, you know, all the artists I ever work with, 1918 01:39:44,633 --> 01:39:46,877 none of them went into it for money. 1919 01:39:46,911 --> 01:39:49,017 JR, Invader, all these guys, 1920 01:39:49,052 --> 01:39:51,364 they went into it 'cause they wanted to say something. 1921 01:40:01,202 --> 01:40:02,617 The trade in prints 1922 01:40:02,651 --> 01:40:05,689 and original canvases intended for sale was one thing, 1923 01:40:05,723 --> 01:40:08,209 but after people began to remove sections of walls 1924 01:40:08,243 --> 01:40:10,038 that had been painted in the streets 1925 01:40:10,073 --> 01:40:12,454 and then offered them for sale at auction, 1926 01:40:12,489 --> 01:40:14,905 Banksy moved to try to exert some control 1927 01:40:14,939 --> 01:40:16,424 of the market in his work. 1928 01:40:17,804 --> 01:40:20,876 He established Pest Control, an organization 1929 01:40:20,911 --> 01:40:23,845 that would issue valuable certificates of authenticity, 1930 01:40:23,879 --> 01:40:27,159 or COAs, only to certain of his works, 1931 01:40:27,193 --> 01:40:29,506 leaving the remainder difficult to sell. 1932 01:40:32,440 --> 01:40:34,407 What does that artist want to do with it, you know? 1933 01:40:34,442 --> 01:40:35,995 And I think if the artist wants it to be 1934 01:40:36,030 --> 01:40:37,238 in a gallery, that's fine. 1935 01:40:37,272 --> 01:40:38,756 But if he doesn't want it to be in a gallery, 1936 01:40:38,791 --> 01:40:39,481 that's not fine. 1937 01:40:41,069 --> 01:40:42,829 Banksy's dealt with this a lot, right? 1938 01:40:42,864 --> 01:40:45,142 His stuff gets stolen, and it's an issue. 1939 01:40:45,177 --> 01:40:46,730 But I think he's come up with a solution, right? 1940 01:40:46,764 --> 01:40:50,009 He doesn't give it a COA, so it really has no value 1941 01:40:50,044 --> 01:40:53,357 in the high art institutions. 1942 01:40:53,392 --> 01:40:55,118 There are still gold diggers out there 1943 01:40:55,152 --> 01:40:57,223 that are grabbing it andselling it on the black market. 1944 01:40:57,258 --> 01:40:58,569 I'm sure that'll last for a while. 1945 01:40:58,604 --> 01:41:00,468 But eventually, people are gonna realize 1946 01:41:00,502 --> 01:41:02,297 that the end game's not worth it. 1947 01:41:03,816 --> 01:41:05,576 The pieces that we sell at Bottoms 1948 01:41:05,611 --> 01:41:07,958 are the pieces that have been purchased, 1949 01:41:07,992 --> 01:41:09,339 they come with certificates, 1950 01:41:09,373 --> 01:41:12,894 there's a very traceable element 1951 01:41:12,928 --> 01:41:15,586 of a traceable history, if you like, to them. 1952 01:41:15,621 --> 01:41:17,795 So, absolutely not encouraging people 1953 01:41:17,830 --> 01:41:19,314 to remove the pieces from walls. 1954 01:41:20,419 --> 01:41:22,904 Street pieces are street pieces. 1955 01:41:22,938 --> 01:41:25,148 They were created and gifted 1956 01:41:25,182 --> 01:41:26,597 to whatever city they're in. 1957 01:41:27,598 --> 01:41:30,394 I think takin' 'em off the street is morally wrong. 1958 01:41:30,429 --> 01:41:34,053 They were created for the people to get enjoyment from, 1959 01:41:34,088 --> 01:41:36,607 not for like one guy to go an pay someone 50 grand 1960 01:41:36,642 --> 01:41:38,506 to chop his wall off and then try 1961 01:41:38,540 --> 01:41:40,197 and sell it to a billionaire. 1962 01:41:40,232 --> 01:41:41,612 It's wrong. 1963 01:41:43,027 --> 01:41:44,960 Nevertheless, that billionaires 1964 01:41:44,995 --> 01:41:48,343 were interested at all showed how far graffiti had come. 1965 01:41:50,725 --> 01:41:54,315 In 2008, Banksy held the Cans Festival 1966 01:41:54,349 --> 01:41:56,869 in a tunnel under London's Waterloo Station. 1967 01:41:58,215 --> 01:42:00,907 A celebration of the movement, over 40 of the world's 1968 01:42:00,942 --> 01:42:04,877 most famous street artists were invited to participate. 1969 01:42:04,911 --> 01:42:08,122 With an estimated 30,000 people queuing to get in 1970 01:42:08,156 --> 01:42:09,571 over the May bank holiday. 1971 01:42:12,056 --> 01:42:14,300 A year later, Banksy returned home 1972 01:42:14,335 --> 01:42:17,959 to stage Banksy vs. Bristol Museum, 1973 01:42:17,993 --> 01:42:20,237 his largest exhibition to date. 1974 01:42:20,272 --> 01:42:22,136 The show was organized in partnership 1975 01:42:22,170 --> 01:42:24,068 with Bristol's city council, 1976 01:42:24,103 --> 01:42:27,244 once enthusiastic participants in Operation Anderson 1977 01:42:27,279 --> 01:42:29,833 and scourge of Bristol's graffiti artists. 1978 01:42:32,111 --> 01:42:35,390 Banksy's fantasy, that the rats, the powerless losers 1979 01:42:35,425 --> 01:42:38,186 might one day get some good equipment and take over 1980 01:42:38,221 --> 01:42:40,084 had finally been realized. 1981 01:42:42,501 --> 01:42:46,229 For me, the best of Bansky's exhibitions 1982 01:42:46,263 --> 01:42:48,955 is Banksy vs. the Bristol Museum. 1983 01:42:52,027 --> 01:42:54,651 This was a museum that was not getting 1984 01:42:54,685 --> 01:42:58,586 a great deal of support from Bristolians. 1985 01:42:58,620 --> 01:43:02,866 But than Banksy started hanginghis work next to pieces, 1986 01:43:02,900 --> 01:43:04,868 and suddenly the museum came to life. 1987 01:43:07,146 --> 01:43:10,943 What was so outstanding to me was the way it expanded art. 1988 01:43:10,977 --> 01:43:12,876 It brought in people who never 1989 01:43:12,910 --> 01:43:14,360 would have gone to that museum, 1990 01:43:14,395 --> 01:43:18,088 who were seeing work that existed in their city 1991 01:43:18,122 --> 01:43:20,815 that they probably knew nothing about, 1992 01:43:20,849 --> 01:43:22,437 quite apart from Banksy. 1993 01:43:22,472 --> 01:43:24,059 And, of course, it was Banksy. 1994 01:43:25,337 --> 01:43:27,856 It encouraged people to explore the museum 1995 01:43:27,891 --> 01:43:30,583 and look at the collection in ways they hadn't before. 1996 01:43:31,722 --> 01:43:34,656 Putting a sex toy in amongst the stalactites 1997 01:43:34,691 --> 01:43:39,247 and stalagmites, and putting a pipe with weed 1998 01:43:39,282 --> 01:43:42,664 in amongst the collection of ceramics, all those things. 1999 01:43:43,769 --> 01:43:45,909 I followed this elderly couple around, 2000 01:43:45,943 --> 01:43:48,463 and I was struck by the fact they were laughing. 2001 01:43:48,498 --> 01:43:50,948 And it's not very often you hear people laugh 2002 01:43:50,983 --> 01:43:52,985 in art shows and museums. 2003 01:43:54,089 --> 01:43:57,265 Putting a cordon around the gypsy caravan, 2004 01:43:57,300 --> 01:43:59,025 it made a serious point about Travelers 2005 01:43:59,060 --> 01:44:01,096 and the plight of Travelers in the way 2006 01:44:01,131 --> 01:44:04,376 that that caravan that's been in Bristol Museum 2007 01:44:04,410 --> 01:44:07,033 for many, many years has never been able to do, 2008 01:44:07,068 --> 01:44:08,725 just changing and flipping the context. 2009 01:44:11,831 --> 01:44:14,282 The combination of the animatronics, 2010 01:44:14,317 --> 01:44:17,872 the interventions in the museum itself, 2011 01:44:17,906 --> 01:44:20,530 the large-scale models like the ice cream van 2012 01:44:20,564 --> 01:44:23,981 and the gallery space which is always used 2013 01:44:24,016 --> 01:44:26,777 as a gallery space in the museum being used as a kind of 2014 01:44:26,812 --> 01:44:31,299 a retrospective, complete with a mock-up of his studio. 2015 01:44:31,334 --> 01:44:36,339 It was a really bold statement about where he'd got to. 2016 01:44:36,960 --> 01:44:38,513 And to do it in Bristol was great. 2017 01:44:38,548 --> 01:44:40,412 It was really good for Bristol. 2018 01:44:42,241 --> 01:44:44,623 The concept of popularizing art, 2019 01:44:44,657 --> 01:44:46,694 making it accessible to the public 2020 01:44:46,728 --> 01:44:48,454 by rethinking the context, 2021 01:44:48,489 --> 01:44:51,250 started to inform much of Banksy's work, 2022 01:44:51,285 --> 01:44:53,908 which moved away from the amusing street stencils 2023 01:44:53,942 --> 01:44:56,428 and into landmark artistic statements 2024 01:44:56,462 --> 01:44:58,361 along the lines of Bristol Museum. 2025 01:45:00,363 --> 01:45:05,160 In 2015, he opened Dismaland in Weston-super-Mare, 2026 01:45:05,195 --> 01:45:08,163 a seafront holiday resort not far from Bristol 2027 01:45:08,198 --> 01:45:10,096 that had fallen on hard times. 2028 01:45:11,650 --> 01:45:15,309 Billed as a bemusement park, Dismaland was visited 2029 01:45:15,343 --> 01:45:18,967 by over 150,000 people in little over a month, 2030 01:45:19,002 --> 01:45:21,556 all of whom had come to see an art exhibition 2031 01:45:21,591 --> 01:45:25,974 reimagined as a drab, miserable,and hostile amusement park. 2032 01:45:27,700 --> 01:45:30,393 Dismaland was a legacy of the museum show, I think. 2033 01:45:30,427 --> 01:45:33,775 It exemplified so much of what Banksy's about: 2034 01:45:33,810 --> 01:45:36,330 the humor, the quality, the ambition. 2035 01:45:37,607 --> 01:45:40,161 It was also partly about the artists he really liked. 2036 01:45:40,195 --> 01:45:43,751 He had 60 other artists exhibiting there. 2037 01:45:44,372 --> 01:45:46,132 What was interesting was that they came 2038 01:45:46,167 --> 01:45:48,721 from across the world from where Banksy had met them, 2039 01:45:48,756 --> 01:45:52,173 so you had Palestinians and you had Israelis. 2040 01:45:52,207 --> 01:45:54,451 Everyone was seeing art they'd never seen before. 2041 01:45:54,486 --> 01:45:57,903 There were all kinds of things going on there. 2042 01:45:57,937 --> 01:46:01,734 The union banners, the squattingand housing action groups 2043 01:46:01,769 --> 01:46:04,254 which were represented there, the annexist groups 2044 01:46:04,288 --> 01:46:07,740 which were represented there, it was a wonderful thing. 2045 01:46:07,775 --> 01:46:09,673 I don't think any of us really expected him 2046 01:46:09,708 --> 01:46:14,057 to create something quite as magnificent as Dismaland. 2047 01:46:15,265 --> 01:46:17,716 It's as if Jeff Koons was a graffiti writer. 2048 01:46:18,889 --> 01:46:19,580 Right? 2049 01:46:19,614 --> 01:46:21,409 And he had the resources to do 2050 01:46:21,444 --> 01:46:23,480 whatever the fuck he wanted to do. 2051 01:46:23,515 --> 01:46:24,619 Well, that was Banksy. 2052 01:46:26,241 --> 01:46:30,038 In his core, he was still a street graffiti guy 2053 01:46:30,073 --> 01:46:33,283 who understood communication to the masses. 2054 01:46:33,317 --> 01:46:36,251 High production value for the common man. 2055 01:46:37,425 --> 01:46:40,980 He's become the people's favorite artist. 2056 01:46:41,015 --> 01:46:43,500 He is more, though, than just a people's artist; 2057 01:46:43,535 --> 01:46:47,815 he's an artist who isquestioning the whole art scene, 2058 01:46:47,849 --> 01:46:50,680 which we are all part of, actually, 2059 01:46:50,714 --> 01:46:54,891 and the whole money for art, and the whole glamor for art, 2060 01:46:54,925 --> 01:46:56,996 and the way art is being used 2061 01:46:57,031 --> 01:46:59,999 as more than just pictures on walls. 2062 01:47:00,034 --> 01:47:03,037 And it's that questioning and that clever questioning 2063 01:47:03,071 --> 01:47:04,383 that I think is important. 2064 01:47:05,867 --> 01:47:07,697 Those questions surface persistently 2065 01:47:07,731 --> 01:47:09,457 in Banksy's art. 2066 01:47:09,492 --> 01:47:13,288 His 2010 documentary film, Exit Through the Gift Shop, 2067 01:47:13,323 --> 01:47:15,152 explored how art is marketed 2068 01:47:15,187 --> 01:47:18,466 by transforming a clothes shop owner named Thierry Guetta 2069 01:47:18,501 --> 01:47:20,295 into a celebrated street artist 2070 01:47:20,330 --> 01:47:22,056 from whom people were prepared to buy 2071 01:47:22,090 --> 01:47:24,230 millions of dollars of his work, 2072 01:47:24,265 --> 01:47:25,818 irrespective of its quality. 2073 01:47:28,787 --> 01:47:31,168 Conversely, a stall that Banksy set up 2074 01:47:31,203 --> 01:47:33,654 in New York's Central Park, offering his work 2075 01:47:33,688 --> 01:47:37,036 for $60 a piece failed to do much business. 2076 01:47:38,590 --> 01:47:40,868 Without the art industry to hype them, 2077 01:47:40,902 --> 01:47:43,146 the canvases were largely ignored. 2078 01:47:43,180 --> 01:47:46,045 A tourist from New Zealand who purchased two pieces 2079 01:47:46,080 --> 01:47:51,085 at the stall was later able to sell them for $125,000. 2080 01:47:52,535 --> 01:47:56,366 Through it all, he's able to make us laugh at ourselves, 2081 01:47:57,229 --> 01:47:59,369 this machine of the art world, 2082 01:48:00,543 --> 01:48:02,441 and I think also laugh at himself. 2083 01:48:04,857 --> 01:48:06,514 This type of performance art 2084 01:48:06,549 --> 01:48:09,310 was as much commentary on what Banksy had become 2085 01:48:09,344 --> 01:48:11,761 as it was on the art economy. 2086 01:48:11,795 --> 01:48:15,074 With his status as the world's most famous artist, 2087 01:48:15,109 --> 01:48:17,387 Banksy was now inescapably part 2088 01:48:17,421 --> 01:48:20,528 of the over-inflated, commercialism, fashion, 2089 01:48:20,563 --> 01:48:23,531 and celebrity of the mainstream art world. 2090 01:48:23,566 --> 01:48:25,775 In a rare interview, he openly wondered 2091 01:48:25,809 --> 01:48:28,502 whether he had become part of the problem. 2092 01:48:28,536 --> 01:48:32,402 His celebrity was enhanced by his much-prized anonymity, 2093 01:48:32,436 --> 01:48:34,300 a further paradox that reached back 2094 01:48:34,335 --> 01:48:37,407 to the early days of graffiti, in which the writers 2095 01:48:37,441 --> 01:48:39,996 simultaneously sought citywide fame 2096 01:48:40,030 --> 01:48:42,274 and yet carefully hid their real names. 2097 01:48:43,378 --> 01:48:45,588 Ever since he was filmed at Tate Britain, 2098 01:48:45,622 --> 01:48:48,487 the public had been able to associate the name Banksy 2099 01:48:48,522 --> 01:48:51,145 with a real figure, not just an army of rats 2100 01:48:51,179 --> 01:48:53,975 and monkeys stamped across British walls. 2101 01:48:54,010 --> 01:48:57,082 And yet, his true identity remained out of reach. 2102 01:49:00,534 --> 01:49:04,227 For some, the hunt for Banksy became an obsession. 2103 01:49:04,261 --> 01:49:07,610 Journalists, academics, and amateur detectives 2104 01:49:07,644 --> 01:49:10,267 scoured public records, business data, 2105 01:49:10,302 --> 01:49:12,442 and archives in Bristol. 2106 01:49:12,476 --> 01:49:14,893 Some even mapped the appearance of Banksy's pieces 2107 01:49:14,927 --> 01:49:17,827 around the globe, correlating them with Massive Attack 2108 01:49:17,861 --> 01:49:20,484 performances and confidently announcing 2109 01:49:20,519 --> 01:49:22,556 that Banksy had been none other 2110 01:49:22,590 --> 01:49:24,558 than Robert Del Naja all along. 2111 01:49:26,214 --> 01:49:29,493 Others concluded that Banksy was a phantom, 2112 01:49:29,528 --> 01:49:31,772 that whoever he might have once been, 2113 01:49:31,806 --> 01:49:34,015 the name and mystery were now just part 2114 01:49:34,050 --> 01:49:36,397 of a well-designed publicity campaign. 2115 01:49:37,950 --> 01:49:40,574 Perhaps this was the point about street art, 2116 01:49:40,608 --> 01:49:43,024 a democratic force started by kids 2117 01:49:43,059 --> 01:49:46,580 with nothing but marker pens and spray cans. 2118 01:49:46,614 --> 01:49:50,584 The world's most famous artist could be anyone. 2119 01:49:53,690 --> 01:49:55,589 The anonymity with Banksy was never 2120 01:49:55,623 --> 01:49:57,280 a kind of marketing thing for him. 2121 01:49:57,314 --> 01:50:00,663 I think it was self-preservationrather than self-promotion. 2122 01:50:00,697 --> 01:50:04,563 And I think it just became so ingrained in his soul 2123 01:50:04,598 --> 01:50:06,220 that I don't think he'll ever go. 2124 01:50:08,153 --> 01:50:10,914 It adds a mystery, an aura. 2125 01:50:12,502 --> 01:50:15,056 You can't really divorce that from the work, I think, 2126 01:50:15,091 --> 01:50:16,437 in how it's understood. 2127 01:50:17,680 --> 01:50:20,786 It's a great story to now know who he is. 2128 01:50:20,821 --> 01:50:22,270 Even when people know who he is, 2129 01:50:22,305 --> 01:50:23,858 they don't want to know who he is. 2130 01:50:23,893 --> 01:50:25,619 It's a better story not to know. 2131 01:50:26,447 --> 01:50:28,725 The theories sort of go on and on. 2132 01:50:28,760 --> 01:50:32,039 Researchers can spend days, weeks, years 2133 01:50:32,073 --> 01:50:35,076 deciding this proves it's someone else. 2134 01:50:35,111 --> 01:50:36,837 This is part of the game. 2135 01:50:36,871 --> 01:50:41,427 In 2018, Sotheby's auctioned Girl with Balloon, 2136 01:50:41,462 --> 01:50:44,672 a work originally conceived as cheap art for the masses. 2137 01:50:44,707 --> 01:50:46,156 200,000. 2138 01:50:46,191 --> 01:50:49,539 It's final price was 1,042,000 pounds, 2139 01:50:50,540 --> 01:50:52,715 a figure that had been driven ever higher 2140 01:50:52,749 --> 01:50:54,889 in part to the enduring mystery 2141 01:50:54,924 --> 01:50:57,443 surrounding the world's most famous artist 2142 01:50:57,478 --> 01:51:00,308 and the persistent question of who he might be. 2143 01:51:05,728 --> 01:51:06,970 As the gavel came down, 2144 01:51:07,005 --> 01:51:09,179 and London's elite started to applaud, 2145 01:51:09,214 --> 01:51:11,734 the public finally received their answer. 2146 01:51:14,598 --> 01:51:15,979 He was a vandal. 2147 01:51:36,517 --> 01:51:37,414 Ladies and gentlemen, 2148 01:51:37,449 --> 01:51:38,657 we are in the middle here. 2149 01:51:38,692 --> 01:51:41,556 Sorry, if I could have your attention. 163715

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