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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1200 01:22:59,003 --> 01:23:01,011 One computer scientist, at MIT, 1201 01:23:01,011 --> 01:23:05,007 became so disillusioned that he decided to build a computer programme 1202 01:23:05,007 --> 01:23:08,007 that would parody these hopeless attempts. 1203 01:23:09,032 --> 01:23:11,056 He was called Joseph Weizenbaum 1204 01:23:11,055 --> 01:23:16,023 and he built what he claimed was a computer psychotherapist. 1205 01:23:16,024 --> 01:23:19,079 Just like a therapist, people could come and talk to the machine 1206 01:23:19,079 --> 01:23:21,043 by typing in their problems. 1207 01:23:24,011 --> 01:23:26,063 Weizenbaum called the programme "Eliza". 1208 01:23:27,079 --> 01:23:30,087 He modelled it on a real psychotherapist called Carl Rogers 1209 01:23:30,087 --> 01:23:33,087 who was famous for simply repeating back to the patient 1210 01:23:33,087 --> 01:23:35,023 what they had just said. 1211 01:23:36,083 --> 01:23:38,036 And that is what Eliza did. 1212 01:23:39,039 --> 01:23:41,072 The patient sat in front of the screen and typed in 1213 01:23:41,072 --> 01:23:43,056 what they were feeling 1214 01:23:43,055 --> 01:23:46,091 and the programme repeated it back to them, 1215 01:23:46,091 --> 01:23:48,071 often in the form of a question. 1216 01:24:06,032 --> 01:24:09,000 He says I'm depressed much of the time. 1217 01:24:17,083 --> 01:24:19,055 Well, I need some help. 1218 01:24:19,055 --> 01:24:21,047 That much seems certain. 1219 01:24:21,047 --> 01:24:25,039 One of the first people to use Eliza was Weizenbaum's secretary 1220 01:24:25,039 --> 01:24:29,007 and her reaction was something that he had not predicted at all. 1221 01:24:30,047 --> 01:24:33,000 I asked her to my office and sat her down at the keyboard 1222 01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:34,091 and then she began to type and, of course, 1223 01:24:34,091 --> 01:24:37,019 I looked over her shoulder to make sure everything 1224 01:24:37,020 --> 01:24:40,016 was operating properly. After two or three interchanges 1225 01:24:40,015 --> 01:24:42,076 with the machine she turned to me and she said, 1226 01:24:42,076 --> 01:24:45,024 "Would you mind leaving the room, please?" 1227 01:24:45,024 --> 01:24:50,020 And yet she knew, as Weizenbaum did, that Eliza didn't understand 1228 01:24:50,020 --> 01:24:52,076 a single word that was being typed into it. 1229 01:24:54,007 --> 01:24:56,087 You're like my father in some ways. 1230 01:24:56,087 --> 01:25:00,043 You don't argue with me.Why do you think I don't argue with you? 1231 01:25:01,047 --> 01:25:05,019 You're afraid of me.Does it please you to think I'm afraid of you? 1232 01:25:06,020 --> 01:25:08,012 My father's afraid of everybody. 1233 01:25:10,083 --> 01:25:12,055 My father's afraid of everybody... 1234 01:25:12,055 --> 01:25:14,019 Weizenbaum was astonished. 1235 01:25:14,020 --> 01:25:18,096 He discovered that everyone who tried Eliza became engrossed. 1236 01:25:18,095 --> 01:25:21,023 They would sit for hours telling the machine 1237 01:25:21,024 --> 01:25:22,072 about their inner feelings 1238 01:25:22,072 --> 01:25:25,039 and incredibly intimate details of their lives. 1239 01:25:26,087 --> 01:25:29,000 They also liked it because it was free 1240 01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:31,024 of any kind of patronising elitism. 1241 01:25:32,047 --> 01:25:37,023 One person said, "After all, the computer doesn't burn out, 1242 01:25:37,024 --> 01:25:40,064 "look down on you, or try to have sex with you." 1243 01:25:44,083 --> 01:25:48,076 What Eliza showed was that, in an age of individualism, 1244 01:25:48,076 --> 01:25:50,064 what made people feel secure 1245 01:25:50,064 --> 01:25:53,072 was having themselves reflected back to them. 1246 01:25:55,032 --> 01:25:56,056 Just like in a mirror. 1247 01:26:07,043 --> 01:26:10,036 Artificial intelligence changed direction 1248 01:26:10,036 --> 01:26:13,072 and started to create new systems that did just that, 1249 01:26:13,072 --> 01:26:15,007 but on a giant scale. 1250 01:26:16,087 --> 01:26:19,007 They were called intelligent agents. 1251 01:26:20,007 --> 01:26:22,043 They worked by monitoring individuals, 1252 01:26:22,043 --> 01:26:26,028 gathering vast amounts of data about their past behaviour 1253 01:26:26,028 --> 01:26:29,012 and then looked for patterns and correlations 1254 01:26:29,011 --> 01:26:32,087 from which they could predict what they would want in the future. 1255 01:26:34,043 --> 01:26:36,079 It was a system that ordered the world in a way 1256 01:26:36,079 --> 01:26:39,019 that was centred around you. 1257 01:26:39,020 --> 01:26:42,020 And in an age of anxious individualism, 1258 01:26:42,020 --> 01:26:44,048 frightened of the future, 1259 01:26:44,047 --> 01:26:47,083 that was reassuring, just like Eliza. 1260 01:26:48,087 --> 01:26:50,076 A safe bubble that protected you 1261 01:26:50,076 --> 01:26:53,091 from the complexities of the world outside. 1262 01:26:59,007 --> 01:27:00,083 And the applications of this new direction 1263 01:27:00,083 --> 01:27:02,091 proved fruitful and profitable. 1264 01:27:04,028 --> 01:27:07,007 If you liked that, you'll love this. 1265 01:27:14,024 --> 01:27:16,028 What was rising up in different ways 1266 01:27:16,028 --> 01:27:19,052 was a new system that promised to keep the world stable. 1267 01:27:20,076 --> 01:27:23,096 Its tentacles reached into every area of our lives. 1268 01:27:25,024 --> 01:27:28,032 Finance promised that it could control the unpredictability 1269 01:27:28,032 --> 01:27:29,083 of the free market... 1270 01:27:30,087 --> 01:27:33,036 ..while individuals were more and more monitored 1271 01:27:33,036 --> 01:27:36,032 to stabilise their physical and mental states. 1272 01:27:37,051 --> 01:27:40,023 And, increasingly, the intelligent agents online 1273 01:27:40,024 --> 01:27:43,052 predicted what people would want in the future 1274 01:27:43,051 --> 01:27:45,039 and how they would behave. 1275 01:27:47,079 --> 01:27:50,015 But the biggest change was to politics. 1276 01:27:51,051 --> 01:27:55,015 In a world where the overriding aim was now stability, 1277 01:27:55,015 --> 01:27:59,051 politics became just part of a wider system of managing the world. 1278 01:28:01,068 --> 01:28:04,003 The old idea of democratic politics, 1279 01:28:04,003 --> 01:28:08,032 that it gave a voice to the weak against the powerful, was eroded. 1280 01:28:10,060 --> 01:28:14,052 And a resentment began to quietly grow out on the edges of society. 1281 01:28:48,068 --> 01:28:52,024 But the new system did have a dangerous flaw. 1282 01:28:52,024 --> 01:28:55,068 Because in the real world, not everything can be predicted 1283 01:28:55,068 --> 01:28:57,068 by reading data from the past. 1284 01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:04,047 And someone who was about to discover that, 1285 01:29:04,047 --> 01:29:06,047 to his own cost, was Donald Trump. 1286 01:29:12,003 --> 01:29:16,047 One day a man called Jess Marcum received a phone call. 1287 01:29:16,047 --> 01:29:17,091 It was from Donald Trump 1288 01:29:17,091 --> 01:29:20,000 and Trump was desperate for help. 1289 01:29:22,060 --> 01:29:25,039 Marcum was a strange, mysterious figure. 1290 01:29:25,039 --> 01:29:27,064 He had been a nuclear scientist in the 1950s 1291 01:29:27,064 --> 01:29:31,032 and studied the effect of radiation from nuclear weapons 1292 01:29:31,032 --> 01:29:33,000 on the human body. 1293 01:29:35,091 --> 01:29:39,076 Then Marcum had gone to Las Vegas and become obsessed by gambling. 1294 01:29:40,083 --> 01:29:44,003 He had a photographic memory and he used it to instantly 1295 01:29:44,003 --> 01:29:47,068 process the data of the games as they were played. 1296 01:29:47,068 --> 01:29:50,079 From that, he could predict the outcome. 1297 01:29:50,079 --> 01:29:52,024 And he always won. 1298 01:29:54,024 --> 01:29:57,028 The Las Vegas gangsters were fascinated by him. 1299 01:29:57,028 --> 01:29:59,064 They called him "The Automat". 1300 01:29:59,064 --> 01:30:03,003 Where are we going? Let's go. Go, go, go. 1301 01:30:03,003 --> 01:30:06,036 Donald Trump was one of the heroes of the age. 1302 01:30:06,036 --> 01:30:09,051 But, in reality, much of this success was a facade. 1303 01:30:10,076 --> 01:30:12,087 The banks that had lent Trump millions 1304 01:30:12,087 --> 01:30:15,000 had discovered that he could no longer 1305 01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:17,039 pay the interest on the loans. 1306 01:30:17,039 --> 01:30:20,024 Trump's empire was facing bankruptcy. 1307 01:30:20,024 --> 01:30:24,024 His wife Ivana hated him because he was having an affair 1308 01:30:24,024 --> 01:30:26,052 with Miss Hawaiian Tropic 1985. 1309 01:30:29,083 --> 01:30:34,028 And then, a famous Japanese gambler called Akio Kashiwagi 1310 01:30:34,028 --> 01:30:36,048 came to one of Trump's casinos 1311 01:30:36,047 --> 01:30:38,059 and started to win millions of dollars 1312 01:30:38,060 --> 01:30:40,048 in an extraordinary run of luck. 1313 01:30:41,076 --> 01:30:44,028 Trump, who was desperate for money, 1314 01:30:44,028 --> 01:30:46,048 panicked as day-after-day he watched millions 1315 01:30:46,047 --> 01:30:48,059 being siphoned out of his casino. 1316 01:30:52,028 --> 01:30:55,056 So, he turned for help to Jess Marcum. 1317 01:30:55,055 --> 01:30:59,031 Marcum came to Trump's casino in Atlantic City. 1318 01:30:59,032 --> 01:31:03,028 He analysed all the data about the way the Kashiwagi had been playing. 1319 01:31:04,043 --> 01:31:07,091 He then told Trump to suggest a particular high-stakes game 1320 01:31:07,091 --> 01:31:11,031 that he knew the Japanese gambler could not resist. 1321 01:31:13,015 --> 01:31:17,043 His model, Marcum said, predicted that Kashiwagi had to lose. 1322 01:31:19,076 --> 01:31:23,015 And after five agonising days, he did. 1323 01:31:23,015 --> 01:31:26,047 Kashiwagi lost 10 million and he gave up. 1324 01:31:28,003 --> 01:31:29,087 Donald Trump was elated. 1325 01:31:29,087 --> 01:31:31,087 He thought he'd got his money back. 1326 01:31:45,060 --> 01:31:47,036 IN JAPANESE: 1327 01:31:52,003 --> 01:31:54,036 Before Kashiwagi could pay his debt, 1328 01:31:54,036 --> 01:31:57,064 he was hacked to death in his kitchen by Yakuza gangsters... 1329 01:31:59,015 --> 01:32:01,036 ..and Donald Trump didn't get his money. 1330 01:32:03,083 --> 01:32:05,068 Trump's business went bankrupt 1331 01:32:05,068 --> 01:32:09,003 and he was forced to sell most of his buildings to the banks. 1332 01:32:10,047 --> 01:32:12,059 And he married Miss Hawaiian Tropic. 1333 01:32:14,020 --> 01:32:17,012 In the future, he would sell his name to other people 1334 01:32:17,011 --> 01:32:18,047 to put on their buildings 1335 01:32:18,047 --> 01:32:22,011 and he himself would become a celebrity tycoon. 1336 01:32:32,087 --> 01:32:35,043 President Assad didn't want stability. 1337 01:32:35,043 --> 01:32:37,007 He wanted revenge. 1338 01:32:47,032 --> 01:32:48,096 In December 1988, 1339 01:32:48,095 --> 01:32:52,039 a bomb exploded on a Pan Am plane over Lockerbie in Scotland. 1340 01:32:53,079 --> 01:32:56,059 Almost immediately, investigators and journalists 1341 01:32:56,060 --> 01:32:58,024 pointed the finger at Syria. 1342 01:32:59,055 --> 01:33:03,000 "The bombing had been done," they said, "in revenge for the Americans 1343 01:33:03,000 --> 01:33:06,091 "shooting down an Iranian airliner in the Gulf a few months before." 1344 01:33:09,020 --> 01:33:12,056 And for 18 months, everyone agreed that this was the truth. 1345 01:33:14,055 --> 01:33:16,063 But then, a strange thing happened. 1346 01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:21,064 The security agencies said that they had been wrong. 1347 01:33:21,064 --> 01:33:23,024 It hadn't been Syria at all. 1348 01:33:24,032 --> 01:33:28,036 It was Libya who had been behind the Lockerbie bombing. 1349 01:33:28,036 --> 01:33:31,096 But many journalists and politicians did not believe it. 1350 01:33:31,095 --> 01:33:34,015 They were convinced that the switch had happened 1351 01:33:34,015 --> 01:33:36,003 for the most cynical of reasons. 1352 01:33:37,028 --> 01:33:40,072 That America and Britain desperately needed Assad as an ally 1353 01:33:40,072 --> 01:33:43,051 in the coming Gulf War against Saddam Hussein. 1354 01:33:45,007 --> 01:33:49,063 So, once again, they blamed Colonel Gaddafi as the terrorist mastermind. 1355 01:33:53,000 --> 01:33:55,051 Syria, of course, was, unfortunately, accused 1356 01:33:55,051 --> 01:33:59,011 of many terrorist outrages and of harbouring terrorist groups. 1357 01:33:59,011 --> 01:34:01,047 It appears that we have now restored relations with them, 1358 01:34:01,047 --> 01:34:04,007 as have the Americans. They're now our friends, 1359 01:34:04,007 --> 01:34:07,023 although we've got no real assurances on the past whatsoever. 1360 01:34:07,024 --> 01:34:09,084 It strikes me as very strange indeed that many of the things 1361 01:34:09,083 --> 01:34:12,083 we thought were previously the responsibility of Syria 1362 01:34:12,083 --> 01:34:15,055 have now, dramatically, become the responsibility of Libya. 1363 01:34:17,039 --> 01:34:19,068 But Assad was not really in control. 1364 01:34:19,068 --> 01:34:22,032 Because he had released forces 1365 01:34:22,032 --> 01:34:25,052 that no-one would be able to control. 1366 01:34:25,051 --> 01:34:27,039 The force that, ten years before, 1367 01:34:27,039 --> 01:34:31,011 he had brought from Iran to attack the West - the human bomb - 1368 01:34:31,011 --> 01:34:33,072 was now about to jump, like a virus, 1369 01:34:33,072 --> 01:34:35,076 from Shia to Sunni Islam. 1370 01:34:42,051 --> 01:34:45,059 In December 1992, the militant group Hamas 1371 01:34:45,060 --> 01:34:49,004 kidnapped an Israeli border guard and stabbed him to death. 1372 01:34:50,039 --> 01:34:53,036 The Israeli response was overwhelming. 1373 01:34:53,036 --> 01:34:56,028 They arrested 415 members of Hamas, 1374 01:34:56,028 --> 01:34:59,096 put them on buses and took them to the top of a bleak mountain 1375 01:34:59,095 --> 01:35:02,000 in southern Lebanon. 1376 01:35:10,055 --> 01:35:12,067 They left them there - 1377 01:35:12,068 --> 01:35:15,064 and refused to allow any humanitarian aid through. 1378 01:35:15,064 --> 01:35:18,000 THEY CHANT AND SHOUT 1379 01:35:20,064 --> 01:35:23,043 But the Israelis had dumped the Hamas militants 1380 01:35:23,043 --> 01:35:25,051 in an area controlled by Hezbollah. 1381 01:35:26,064 --> 01:35:28,064 They spent six months there, 1382 01:35:28,064 --> 01:35:31,028 and during that time, they learnt from Hezbollah 1383 01:35:31,028 --> 01:35:34,076 how powerful suicide bombing could be. 1384 01:35:34,076 --> 01:35:37,028 Hezbollah told them how they had used it 1385 01:35:37,028 --> 01:35:39,092 to force the Israelis out of Beirut 1386 01:35:39,091 --> 01:35:41,067 and back to the border. 1387 01:35:43,091 --> 01:35:46,071 The first sign that the idea had spread to Hamas 1388 01:35:46,072 --> 01:35:48,076 was when a group of the deportees 1389 01:35:48,076 --> 01:35:52,024 marched in protest towards the Israeli border, 1390 01:35:52,024 --> 01:35:55,028 dressed as martyrs, as the Israelis shelled them. 1391 01:35:57,032 --> 01:35:59,072 But it soon became more than just theatre. 1392 01:36:01,007 --> 01:36:04,007 Hamas began a wave of suicide attacks in Israel. 1393 01:36:05,095 --> 01:36:09,007 REPORTER:Just before nine, at the height of Tel Aviv's rush hour, 1394 01:36:09,007 --> 01:36:11,055 the bomb ripped apart a commuter bus. 1395 01:36:11,055 --> 01:36:15,035 An amateur cameraman recorded the scene in the moments afterwards 1396 01:36:15,036 --> 01:36:18,079 as a dazed woman was helped out of the smouldering wreckage. 1397 01:36:21,039 --> 01:36:25,051 I didn't want to believe that under my house there is a bomb. 1398 01:36:25,051 --> 01:36:27,027 And when I realised it's a bomb, I... 1399 01:36:29,015 --> 01:36:30,091 I started to cry. 1400 01:36:30,091 --> 01:36:34,055 Because it was the first time I saw it in Tel Aviv. 1401 01:36:34,055 --> 01:36:37,079 Hamas sent the bombers into the heart of Israeli cities 1402 01:36:37,079 --> 01:36:41,068 to blow themselves up and kill as many around them as possible. 1403 01:36:43,039 --> 01:36:47,060 In doing this, Hamas were going much further than Hezbollah ever had. 1404 01:36:47,060 --> 01:36:49,080 They were targeting civilians, 1405 01:36:49,079 --> 01:36:51,091 something Hezbollah had never done. 1406 01:36:53,011 --> 01:36:55,019 The tactic shocked the Sunni world. 1407 01:36:56,020 --> 01:36:59,080 This was something completely alien to its history. 1408 01:36:59,079 --> 01:37:02,059 Not only did the Koran forbid suicide, 1409 01:37:02,060 --> 01:37:05,096 but Sunni Islam did not have any rituals of self-sacrifice - 1410 01:37:05,095 --> 01:37:07,035 unlike the Shias. 1411 01:37:08,076 --> 01:37:11,051 The most senior religious leader in Saudi Arabia 1412 01:37:11,051 --> 01:37:12,083 insisted it was wrong. 1413 01:37:14,032 --> 01:37:16,056 But a mainstream theologian from Egypt 1414 01:37:16,055 --> 01:37:20,039 called Sheikh Qaradawi seized the moment. 1415 01:37:20,039 --> 01:37:23,000 He issued a fatwa that justified the attacks. 1416 01:37:24,000 --> 01:37:27,095 "And," he added, "it was also justified to kill civilians, 1417 01:37:27,095 --> 01:37:30,023 "because, in Israel, everyone - 1418 01:37:30,024 --> 01:37:33,016 "including women - serve as reservists. 1419 01:37:33,015 --> 01:37:35,087 "So, really, they are all part of the enemy army." 1420 01:37:41,003 --> 01:37:45,024 TRANSLATION:It's not suicide. It is martyrdom in the name of God. 1421 01:37:45,024 --> 01:37:47,096 Islamic theologians and jurisprudence 1422 01:37:47,095 --> 01:37:49,067 have debated this issue. 1423 01:37:49,068 --> 01:37:52,052 Israeli women are not like women in our society, 1424 01:37:52,051 --> 01:37:55,055 because Israeli women are militarised. 1425 01:37:55,055 --> 01:37:59,059 Secondly, I consider this type of martyrdom operation 1426 01:37:59,060 --> 01:38:04,032 as an indication of justice of Allah, our Almighty. 1427 01:38:04,032 --> 01:38:05,092 Allah is just. 1428 01:38:05,091 --> 01:38:07,055 Through his infinite wisdom, 1429 01:38:07,055 --> 01:38:11,031 he has given the weak what the strong do not possess. 1430 01:38:11,032 --> 01:38:14,079 And that is their ability to turn their bodies into bombs 1431 01:38:14,079 --> 01:38:17,000 like the Palestinians do. 1432 01:38:17,000 --> 01:38:19,072 Hamas kept sending the bombers into Israel. 1433 01:38:19,072 --> 01:38:21,047 Sometimes day-after-day. 1434 01:38:22,055 --> 01:38:24,087 The horror overwhelmed Israeli society 1435 01:38:24,087 --> 01:38:28,036 and it completely destroyed the ability of politics 1436 01:38:28,036 --> 01:38:30,028 to solve the Palestinian crisis. 1437 01:38:33,000 --> 01:38:36,043 Instead, in the Israeli election of 1996, 1438 01:38:36,043 --> 01:38:39,003 Benjamin Netanyahu took power. 1439 01:38:39,003 --> 01:38:43,032 He turned against the peace process, which was exactly what Hamas wanted. 1440 01:38:44,083 --> 01:38:48,011 And from then on, the two sides became locked together 1441 01:38:48,011 --> 01:38:50,051 in ever more horrific cycles of violence. 1442 01:38:50,051 --> 01:38:52,051 # Netanyahu! # 1443 01:38:52,051 --> 01:38:55,007 The human bomb had destroyed the very thing 1444 01:38:55,007 --> 01:38:57,043 that President Assad had first wanted. 1445 01:38:58,076 --> 01:39:02,032 A real political solution to the Palestinian question. 1446 01:39:04,011 --> 01:39:05,095 REPORTER: It was just after one o'clock 1447 01:39:05,095 --> 01:39:08,000 and the market was full of shoppers. 1448 01:39:08,000 --> 01:39:10,036 SIRENS WAIL 1449 01:39:10,036 --> 01:39:14,011 Streams of ambulances came to carry away the dead and the injured. 1450 01:39:15,072 --> 01:39:18,024 It was a place of appalling suffering. 1451 01:39:18,024 --> 01:39:19,072 But even with the first grief 1452 01:39:19,072 --> 01:39:23,083 came the immediate political impact on the peace process. 1453 01:39:23,083 --> 01:39:24,095 Peace impossible! 1454 01:39:24,095 --> 01:39:27,055 This moment, it will be the end! 1455 01:39:27,055 --> 01:39:30,067 It must be the end of this bloody peace process. 1456 01:39:42,015 --> 01:39:45,055 And, in America, all optimistic visions of the future 1457 01:39:45,055 --> 01:39:47,000 had also disappeared. 1458 01:39:48,020 --> 01:39:51,040 Instead everyone in society - not just the politicians - 1459 01:39:51,039 --> 01:39:55,019 but the scientists, the journalists, and all kinds of experts 1460 01:39:55,020 --> 01:39:59,036 had begun to focus on the dangers that might be hidden in the future. 1461 01:40:00,087 --> 01:40:03,063 This, in turn, created a pessimistic mood 1462 01:40:03,064 --> 01:40:07,096 that then began to spread out from the rational technocratic world 1463 01:40:07,095 --> 01:40:10,003 and infect the whole of the culture. 1464 01:40:13,060 --> 01:40:17,092 And everyone became possessed by dark forebodings, 1465 01:40:17,091 --> 01:40:20,047 imagining the very worst that might happen. 1466 01:40:31,007 --> 01:40:32,063 # Dream, baby, dream 1467 01:40:35,047 --> 01:40:37,051 # Dream, baby, dream 1468 01:40:38,064 --> 01:40:39,079 # Dream, baby, dream 1469 01:40:41,083 --> 01:40:43,068 # Dream, baby, dream 1470 01:40:44,076 --> 01:40:46,015 # Forever 1471 01:41:04,068 --> 01:41:06,072 # Oh, dream, baby, dream 1472 01:41:08,000 --> 01:41:09,079 # Dream, baby, dream 1473 01:41:11,051 --> 01:41:13,091 # Dream, baby, dream 1474 01:41:15,000 --> 01:41:17,007 # Dream, baby, dream 1475 01:41:18,043 --> 01:41:20,036 # Forever... # 1476 01:41:36,091 --> 01:41:38,047 SHATTERING EXPLOSIONS 1477 01:41:38,047 --> 01:41:40,079 # ..Dream, baby, dream 1478 01:41:40,079 --> 01:41:43,024 # Oh, baby, we gotta keep that dream alive 1479 01:41:44,068 --> 01:41:46,068 # Keep that dream alive 1480 01:41:46,068 --> 01:41:48,003 # Forever 1481 01:41:49,036 --> 01:41:53,000 # Oh, dream, baby, dream 1482 01:41:53,000 --> 01:41:54,076 # Dream, baby, dream 1483 01:41:54,076 --> 01:41:56,032 # Dream, baby, dream 1484 01:41:56,032 --> 01:41:58,016 # Dream, baby, dream 1485 01:41:58,015 --> 01:42:00,063 # Oh, dream, baby, dream, baby, dream, baby 1486 01:42:00,064 --> 01:42:03,016 # Dream, baby, dream, baby 1487 01:42:04,043 --> 01:42:06,055 # Oh, dream, baby, dream... # SCREAMING 1488 01:42:06,055 --> 01:42:09,007 PANICKED SCREAMS 1489 01:42:16,076 --> 01:42:18,068 RUMBLING, SHATTERING GLASS 1490 01:42:25,007 --> 01:42:27,051 # Oh, you keep that fire, burning, baby 1491 01:42:31,032 --> 01:42:34,003 # Oh, you gotta keep that flame burning brightly, baby... # 1492 01:42:34,003 --> 01:42:36,036 CRASHING EXPLOSIONS 1493 01:42:36,036 --> 01:42:38,039 SILENCE 1494 01:42:50,068 --> 01:42:53,052 DISTANT SIRENS 1495 01:43:00,007 --> 01:43:04,059 The attacks in September 2001 were suicide bombs, 1496 01:43:04,060 --> 01:43:06,004 but now on a huge scale. 1497 01:43:08,000 --> 01:43:11,039 They demonstrated the terrifying power of this new force 1498 01:43:11,039 --> 01:43:13,003 to penetrate all defences. 1499 01:43:14,003 --> 01:43:17,076 They had come to kill thousands of Americans on their own soil. 1500 01:43:24,032 --> 01:43:25,052 20 years before, 1501 01:43:25,051 --> 01:43:29,047 President Reagan had been confronted by the first suicide bombers. 1502 01:43:30,087 --> 01:43:33,079 They had been unleashed by President Assad of Syria 1503 01:43:33,079 --> 01:43:36,007 to force America out of the Middle East. 1504 01:43:37,072 --> 01:43:40,047 But rather than confront the complexity of Syria 1505 01:43:40,047 --> 01:43:43,023 and Israel and the Palestinian problem, 1506 01:43:43,024 --> 01:43:46,048 America had retreated and left Syria - 1507 01:43:46,047 --> 01:43:48,032 and suicide bombing - 1508 01:43:48,032 --> 01:43:50,016 to fester and mutate. 1509 01:43:51,091 --> 01:43:54,067 They had gone instead for Colonel Gaddafi 1510 01:43:54,068 --> 01:43:57,028 and turned him into an evil global terrorist. 1511 01:43:59,055 --> 01:44:02,063 But, in the process, this changed the way people saw 1512 01:44:02,064 --> 01:44:04,036 and understood terrorism. 1513 01:44:05,087 --> 01:44:09,076 Instead of a violence born out of political struggles for power, 1514 01:44:09,076 --> 01:44:14,024 it became replaced by a much simpler image of an evil tyrant 1515 01:44:14,024 --> 01:44:16,024 at the head of a rogue state 1516 01:44:16,024 --> 01:44:18,039 who became more like an archcriminal 1517 01:44:18,039 --> 01:44:20,039 who wanted to terrorise the world. 1518 01:44:25,032 --> 01:44:28,060 All the politics and power dropped away. 1519 01:44:28,060 --> 01:44:31,084 The problem was just them and their evil personalities. 1520 01:44:37,087 --> 01:44:43,011 And after 9/11, this led to a new, and equally simple, idea. 1521 01:44:43,011 --> 01:44:46,059 That if only you could remove these tyrannical figures, 1522 01:44:46,060 --> 01:44:48,092 then the grateful people of their country 1523 01:44:48,091 --> 01:44:52,036 would transform naturally into a democracy, 1524 01:44:52,036 --> 01:44:55,000 because they would be free of the evil. 1525 01:44:55,000 --> 01:44:59,011 We owe it to the future of civilisation 1526 01:44:59,011 --> 01:45:03,007 not to allow the world's worst leaders 1527 01:45:03,007 --> 01:45:07,007 to develop and deploy, and therefore, 1528 01:45:07,007 --> 01:45:09,032 blackmail freedom-loving countries 1529 01:45:09,032 --> 01:45:11,028 with the world's worst weapons. 1530 01:45:11,028 --> 01:45:13,096 We know they've already got chemical and biological weapons there. 1531 01:45:13,095 --> 01:45:16,015 We know that they're certainly doing their best 1532 01:45:16,015 --> 01:45:17,095 to acquire nuclear weapons technology. 1533 01:45:17,095 --> 01:45:19,063 If we allow them to do that, 1534 01:45:19,064 --> 01:45:21,060 and do nothing about it, then, 1535 01:45:21,060 --> 01:45:25,020 I think, later generations will consider us deeply irresponsible. 1536 01:45:25,020 --> 01:45:30,012 Both Tony Blair and George Bush became possessed by the idea 1537 01:45:30,011 --> 01:45:33,000 of ridding the world of Saddam Hussein. 1538 01:45:33,000 --> 01:45:35,036 So possessed that they believed any story 1539 01:45:35,036 --> 01:45:38,007 that proved his evil intentions. 1540 01:45:38,007 --> 01:45:41,091 And the line between reality and fiction became ever more blurred. 1541 01:45:43,072 --> 01:45:48,051 In September 2002, the head of MI6 rushed to Downing Street 1542 01:45:48,051 --> 01:45:52,039 to tell Blair excitedly that they had finally found the source 1543 01:45:52,039 --> 01:45:55,000 that confirmed everything. 1544 01:45:55,000 --> 01:45:57,043 The source, he said, had "direct access" 1545 01:45:57,043 --> 01:46:00,043 to Saddam Hussein's chemical weapons programme 1546 01:46:00,043 --> 01:46:03,064 which was making vast quantities of VX and sarin nerve agents. 1547 01:46:05,024 --> 01:46:10,000 The nerve agents were being loaded into "linked hollow glass spheres". 1548 01:46:10,000 --> 01:46:11,076 But then someone in MI6 noticed 1549 01:46:11,076 --> 01:46:15,068 that the detail the source was describing was identical 1550 01:46:15,068 --> 01:46:18,088 to scenes in the 1996 movie The Rock, 1551 01:46:18,087 --> 01:46:21,039 starring Sean Connery and Nicolas Cage. 1552 01:46:28,095 --> 01:46:31,063 Really elegant string-of-pearls configuration. 1553 01:46:31,064 --> 01:46:34,039 Unfortunately, incredibly unstable. 1554 01:46:34,039 --> 01:46:36,032 What exactly does this stuff do? 1555 01:46:36,032 --> 01:46:37,068 If the rocket renders it aerosol, 1556 01:46:37,068 --> 01:46:39,072 it could take out the entire city of people. 1557 01:46:39,072 --> 01:46:41,072 How?It's a cholinesterase inhibitor. 1558 01:46:41,072 --> 01:46:45,016 Stops the brain from sending nerve messages down the spinal cord... 1559 01:46:45,015 --> 01:46:48,027 A later report into the Iraq War pointed out, 1560 01:46:48,028 --> 01:46:52,016 "Glass containers were not typically used in chemical munitions..." 1561 01:46:52,015 --> 01:46:54,087 ..seizes your nervous system... Do not move that! 1562 01:46:54,087 --> 01:46:56,072 "..and the informant had obviously seen 1563 01:46:56,072 --> 01:46:59,056 "a popular movie known as The Rock 1564 01:46:59,055 --> 01:47:02,059 "that had inaccurately depicted nerve agents being carried 1565 01:47:02,060 --> 01:47:04,020 "in glass beads or spheres." 1566 01:47:04,020 --> 01:47:06,024 ..that's after your skin melts off. 1567 01:47:06,024 --> 01:47:07,068 My God. 1568 01:47:07,068 --> 01:47:10,028 That there is a threat from Saddam Hussein 1569 01:47:10,028 --> 01:47:13,079 and the weapons of mass destruction that he has acquired, 1570 01:47:13,079 --> 01:47:15,043 is not in doubt at all. 1571 01:47:27,015 --> 01:47:30,087 Hafez al-Assad had died in 2000. 1572 01:47:30,087 --> 01:47:34,003 His son, Bashar, became the new president of Syria. 1573 01:47:35,043 --> 01:47:38,003 But he couldn't escape the inexorable logic 1574 01:47:38,003 --> 01:47:39,083 of what his father had started. 1575 01:47:41,064 --> 01:47:45,048 20 years before, his father had sent Shi'ite suicide bombers 1576 01:47:45,047 --> 01:47:47,055 to attack the Americans in Lebanon. 1577 01:47:49,015 --> 01:47:52,003 Now, as America and Britain invaded Iraq, 1578 01:47:52,003 --> 01:47:54,095 Bashar decided that he would copy his father. 1579 01:47:56,039 --> 01:48:00,091 But what he was about to let loose would tear the Arab world apart - 1580 01:48:00,091 --> 01:48:04,036 and then come back to try to destroy him. 1581 01:48:04,036 --> 01:48:06,056 STATELY FANFARE PLAYS 1582 01:48:14,039 --> 01:48:17,083 Bashar Assad had was never supposed to have been president. 1583 01:48:17,083 --> 01:48:21,036 It was always going to have been his elder brother, Bassel. 1584 01:48:21,036 --> 01:48:23,056 But then, Bassel had died in a car crash. 1585 01:48:24,087 --> 01:48:27,023 So now, Bashar took over the giant palace 1586 01:48:27,024 --> 01:48:29,072 that his father had built above Damascus. 1587 01:48:38,039 --> 01:48:42,028 Up to this point, Bashar had not been interested in politics. 1588 01:48:42,028 --> 01:48:44,096 He was fascinated by computers. 1589 01:48:44,095 --> 01:48:47,007 He founded the Syrian Computer Society 1590 01:48:47,007 --> 01:48:49,079 and brought the internet to the country. 1591 01:48:49,079 --> 01:48:53,064 His favourite band was the Electric Light Orchestra. 1592 01:48:55,036 --> 01:48:56,087 But now, he was president. 1593 01:48:59,039 --> 01:49:01,068 And he set out to attack America. 1594 01:49:09,036 --> 01:49:12,028 Bashar Assad was convinced that the invasion of Iraq 1595 01:49:12,028 --> 01:49:16,000 was just the first step of a plot by the Western powers 1596 01:49:16,000 --> 01:49:19,020 to take over the whole of the Middle East. 1597 01:49:19,020 --> 01:49:21,036 He knew that the invasion had outraged 1598 01:49:21,036 --> 01:49:24,007 many of the radical Islamists in Syria 1599 01:49:24,007 --> 01:49:28,000 and what they most wanted to do was to go to Iraq and kill Americans. 1600 01:49:29,007 --> 01:49:32,007 So, Bashar instructed the Syrian Intelligence Services 1601 01:49:32,007 --> 01:49:34,011 to help them do this. 1602 01:49:34,011 --> 01:49:36,087 Syrian agents set up a pipeline 1603 01:49:36,087 --> 01:49:40,043 that began to feed thousands of militants across the border 1604 01:49:40,043 --> 01:49:42,068 and into the heart of the insurgency. 1605 01:49:44,015 --> 01:49:45,067 And it grew. 1606 01:49:45,068 --> 01:49:48,032 Within a year, almost all of the foreign fighters 1607 01:49:48,032 --> 01:49:51,011 from across the world were coming through Syria... 1608 01:49:53,000 --> 01:49:56,028 ..and they brought suicide bombing with them. 1609 01:49:56,028 --> 01:50:00,072 The Americans estimated that 90% of the suicide bombers in Iraq 1610 01:50:00,072 --> 01:50:02,039 were foreign fighters. 1611 01:50:09,072 --> 01:50:11,064 But it began to run out of control. 1612 01:50:11,064 --> 01:50:16,008 Most of the jihadists had joined the group al-Qaeda in Iraq 1613 01:50:16,007 --> 01:50:20,011 that then turned to killing Shi'ites in an attempt to create a civil war. 1614 01:50:21,055 --> 01:50:25,003 And the force that had originally been invented by the Shi'ites, 1615 01:50:25,003 --> 01:50:27,036 suicide bombing, now returned 1616 01:50:27,036 --> 01:50:29,028 and started to kill them. 1617 01:50:33,007 --> 01:50:34,023 Then, this. 1618 01:50:34,024 --> 01:50:35,048 EXPLOSION 1619 01:50:35,047 --> 01:50:37,000 STUNNED SILENCE 1620 01:50:37,000 --> 01:50:40,064 A moment of silence before people realised what was happening. 1621 01:50:40,064 --> 01:50:42,024 SCREAMING 1622 01:50:42,024 --> 01:50:45,052 A few seconds ago, we just had repeated explosions 1623 01:50:45,051 --> 01:50:47,007 in the street below me. 1624 01:50:47,007 --> 01:50:48,068 People are now fleeing in terror 1625 01:50:48,068 --> 01:50:50,079 from the central square around the mosque. 1626 01:50:50,079 --> 01:50:53,000 This is what everybody feared... DISTANT EXPLOSION 1627 01:50:53,000 --> 01:50:55,024 We just heard another explosion in the distance. 1628 01:50:55,024 --> 01:50:58,016 ..that somebody would try to target this religious festival 1629 01:50:58,015 --> 01:51:01,019 to try to bring about a sectarian conflict in Iraq. 1630 01:51:01,020 --> 01:51:03,024 SCREAMING 1631 01:51:06,028 --> 01:51:07,039 There was panic. 1632 01:51:07,039 --> 01:51:09,039 A terrified stampede. 1633 01:51:12,039 --> 01:51:16,019 But some of these people were running into the next bombs. 1634 01:51:16,020 --> 01:51:18,008 EXPLOSIONS 1635 01:51:19,039 --> 01:51:22,043 We counted at least six separate explosions. 1636 01:51:23,072 --> 01:51:27,016 MUSIC DROWNS AUDIO 1637 01:51:36,051 --> 01:51:39,067 Tony Blair and George Bush were faced by disaster. 1638 01:51:39,068 --> 01:51:41,072 Iraq was imploding. 1639 01:51:41,072 --> 01:51:45,011 While, at home, they were being accused of lying to their own people 1640 01:51:45,011 --> 01:51:46,055 to justify the invasion. 1641 01:51:47,083 --> 01:51:50,091 What they desperately needed was something that would show 1642 01:51:50,091 --> 01:51:54,036 that the invasion was having a good effect in the Arab world. 1643 01:51:56,087 --> 01:52:00,032 So, they made an extraordinary decision. 1644 01:52:00,032 --> 01:52:03,072 They turned for help to the man who they had always insisted 1645 01:52:03,072 --> 01:52:06,028 was one of the world's most dangerous tyrants. 1646 01:52:08,007 --> 01:52:09,076 Colonel Gaddafi. 1647 01:52:12,011 --> 01:52:15,076 And, instead, they set out to make him their new best friend. 1648 01:52:16,095 --> 01:52:19,027 It was going to be the highest achievement 1649 01:52:19,028 --> 01:52:21,052 of Perception Management. 1650 01:52:21,051 --> 01:52:24,023 A man who had been created by the West 1651 01:52:24,024 --> 01:52:27,008 as a fake global supervillain 1652 01:52:27,007 --> 01:52:30,068 was now going to be turned into a fake hero of democracy. 1653 01:52:32,024 --> 01:52:36,032 And everyone, not just politicians, would become involved. 1654 01:52:36,032 --> 01:52:38,052 Public relations, academics, 1655 01:52:38,051 --> 01:52:41,072 television presenters, spies, and even musicians 1656 01:52:41,072 --> 01:52:44,076 were all going to help reinvent Colonel Gaddafi. 1657 01:52:46,039 --> 01:52:50,028 It would show just how many people in the Western Establishment 1658 01:52:50,028 --> 01:52:54,052 had, by now, become the engineers of this fake world. 1659 01:53:00,060 --> 01:53:03,048 Ever since he had been accused of the Lockerbie bombing, 1660 01:53:03,047 --> 01:53:06,047 Colonel Gaddafi had been a complete outcast. 1661 01:53:06,047 --> 01:53:08,079 The West had imposed sanctions on Libya 1662 01:53:08,079 --> 01:53:11,003 and the economy was falling apart. 1663 01:53:12,060 --> 01:53:17,068 But then, suddenly, Tony Blair broke live into the BBC evening news. 1664 01:53:18,076 --> 01:53:22,020 The Prime Minister, Tony Blair, is about to make a statement, 1665 01:53:22,020 --> 01:53:24,036 the BBC understands, from Downing Street. 1666 01:53:24,036 --> 01:53:26,000 It's of international significance. 1667 01:53:26,000 --> 01:53:28,011 He'll be making his statement at any moment now. 1668 01:53:28,011 --> 01:53:30,019 We can see pictures of him in Durham... 1669 01:53:30,020 --> 01:53:31,076 This evening...Here he is. 1670 01:53:31,076 --> 01:53:35,032 ..Colonel Gaddafi has confirmed that Libya has, in the past, 1671 01:53:35,032 --> 01:53:37,036 sought to develop weapons-of-mass-destruction 1672 01:53:37,036 --> 01:53:38,072 capabilities. 1673 01:53:38,072 --> 01:53:42,024 Libya has now declared its intention to dismantle 1674 01:53:42,024 --> 01:53:46,060 its weapons of mass destruction completely. 1675 01:53:46,060 --> 01:53:50,000 This decision by Colonel Gaddafi is a historic one, 1676 01:53:50,000 --> 01:53:52,003 and a courageous one, and I applaud it. 1677 01:53:52,003 --> 01:53:54,055 Today, in Tripoli, 1678 01:53:54,055 --> 01:53:57,000 the leader of Libya, 1679 01:53:57,000 --> 01:53:59,043 Colonel Muammar al-Gaddafi... 1680 01:54:00,047 --> 01:54:05,011 ..publically confirmed his commitment to disclose and dismantle 1681 01:54:05,011 --> 01:54:09,032 all weapons-of-mass-destruction programmes in his country. 1682 01:54:09,032 --> 01:54:11,064 Colonel Gaddafi now became, 1683 01:54:11,064 --> 01:54:15,012 for Western politicians, a heroic figure. 1684 01:54:15,011 --> 01:54:18,047 His decision to give up his weapons of mass destruction 1685 01:54:18,047 --> 01:54:20,079 seemed to prove that the invasion of Iraq 1686 01:54:20,079 --> 01:54:22,072 could transform the Middle East. 1687 01:54:25,024 --> 01:54:28,084 And Tony Blair travelled to meet Gaddafi in his desert tent. 1688 01:54:30,095 --> 01:54:34,011 To welcome him back into what one journalist called, 1689 01:54:34,011 --> 01:54:36,072 "The community of civilised nations." 1690 01:54:44,087 --> 01:54:45,095 But, as in the past, 1691 01:54:45,095 --> 01:54:48,075 nothing was what it seemed with Colonel Gaddafi. 1692 01:54:51,015 --> 01:54:53,043 In reality, Gaddafi did not really have 1693 01:54:53,043 --> 01:54:55,059 the terrifying weapons of mass destruction 1694 01:54:55,060 --> 01:54:58,020 that he was promising to destroy. 1695 01:54:58,020 --> 01:55:02,000 His nuclear programme had stuttered to a halt long ago 1696 01:55:02,000 --> 01:55:05,007 and never produced anything dangerous. 1697 01:55:05,007 --> 01:55:08,023 He had managed to buy some equipment on the black market, 1698 01:55:08,024 --> 01:55:11,084 but his technicians had been unable to assemble it. 1699 01:55:11,083 --> 01:55:14,055 His biological weapons were non-existent. 1700 01:55:14,055 --> 01:55:18,079 All he had was some old mustard gas in leaking barrels. 1701 01:55:19,083 --> 01:55:25,003 But now, he had to pretend to have a terrifying arsenal of weapons. 1702 01:55:25,003 --> 01:55:27,015 And the West had to pretend 1703 01:55:27,015 --> 01:55:29,076 that they had avoided another global threat. 1704 01:55:33,047 --> 01:55:37,019 And then the made-up stories became even more complicated. 1705 01:55:37,020 --> 01:55:40,044 As part of the deal, the West said that if Gaddafi admitted 1706 01:55:40,043 --> 01:55:42,083 that Libya had done the Lockerbie bombing, 1707 01:55:42,083 --> 01:55:45,039 then they would lift the sanctions. 1708 01:55:45,039 --> 01:55:48,015 But many of those who had investigated Lockerbie 1709 01:55:48,015 --> 01:55:51,011 were still convinced that Libya hadn't done it. 1710 01:55:51,011 --> 01:55:52,083 That, really, it had been Syria. 1711 01:55:54,087 --> 01:55:57,059 But Colonel Gaddafi confessed. 1712 01:55:57,060 --> 01:56:00,036 His son, Saif, was interviewed about this confession. 1713 01:56:01,068 --> 01:56:04,024 He said that his father was simply pretending 1714 01:56:04,024 --> 01:56:06,020 that he had been behind the Lockerbie bombing 1715 01:56:06,020 --> 01:56:08,080 to get the sanctions lifted. 1716 01:56:08,079 --> 01:56:12,019 That new lies were being built on top of old lies 1717 01:56:12,020 --> 01:56:15,020 to construct a completely make-believe world. 1718 01:56:17,015 --> 01:56:20,043 You have to accept, or you had to accept at the time, 1719 01:56:20,043 --> 01:56:25,000 a responsibility, because you have to accept responsibilities, 1720 01:56:25,000 --> 01:56:28,051 you have to pay compensation in order to get rid of sanction. 1721 01:56:28,051 --> 01:56:32,023 We did that, not because we are convinced that we did it, 1722 01:56:32,024 --> 01:56:35,076 but because of the final exit out of this nightmare. 1723 01:56:35,076 --> 01:56:39,007 So, what you're saying is that you accept responsibility, 1724 01:56:39,007 --> 01:56:41,039 but you're not admitting that you did it. Yes. 1725 01:56:43,028 --> 01:56:46,003 And this is all a sham, 1726 01:56:46,003 --> 01:56:48,087 you're saying, just to get sanctions over with 1727 01:56:48,087 --> 01:56:53,000 so that you can start normal diplomatic relations with the West. 1728 01:56:53,000 --> 01:56:54,068 OK. OK. What's wrong with that? 1729 01:56:55,091 --> 01:57:00,043 It's a very cynical way to behave, as a country, isn't it? 1730 01:57:00,043 --> 01:57:03,059 Many people would say... First of all... 1731 01:57:03,060 --> 01:57:06,016 I mean, the Americans and the British, 1732 01:57:06,015 --> 01:57:07,076 they told us to write that letter. 1733 01:57:08,091 --> 01:57:12,000 They told us to pay compensation. 1734 01:57:12,000 --> 01:57:14,007 And then, they opened their embassies 1735 01:57:14,007 --> 01:57:16,000 and they restored their relation. 1736 01:57:16,095 --> 01:57:18,027 They came to us. 1737 01:57:19,079 --> 01:57:22,003 It was their game. Not our game. 1738 01:57:24,051 --> 01:57:28,059 Does the... Does the leader know there's a picture on the television? 1739 01:57:28,060 --> 01:57:30,056 Will you tell him? Oh, good. Thank you. 1740 01:57:30,055 --> 01:57:32,079 INDISTINCT CONVERSATION 1741 01:57:36,095 --> 01:57:39,055 Public relations companies then came to Libya 1742 01:57:39,055 --> 01:57:42,055 to do what they called "reframing the narrative". 1743 01:57:44,076 --> 01:57:48,007 One firm was paid 3 million to turn Gaddafi 1744 01:57:48,007 --> 01:57:51,076 into what they described as a modern world thinker. 1745 01:57:51,076 --> 01:57:53,043 CREW MURMURS 1746 01:57:53,043 --> 01:57:57,000 OK. We're going in ten. 1747 01:57:57,000 --> 01:58:00,043 They did this by bringing other famous world thinkers 1748 01:58:00,043 --> 01:58:03,059 and TV presenters out to Libya to meet the colonel 1749 01:58:03,060 --> 01:58:05,064 and discuss his theories. 1750 01:58:07,039 --> 01:58:11,068 Hello, and welcome to Libya In The Global Age, 1751 01:58:11,068 --> 01:58:16,028 A Conversation With Muammar Gaddafi. 1752 01:58:16,028 --> 01:58:22,076 But first, let's get the story so far of Libya. 1753 01:58:22,076 --> 01:58:26,043 One world thinker was called Lord Anthony Giddens. 1754 01:58:26,043 --> 01:58:30,043 Coincidentally, he had a theory which he called "The Third Way" 1755 01:58:30,043 --> 01:58:32,079 which had inspired Tony Blair. 1756 01:58:32,079 --> 01:58:38,011 Colonel Gaddafi's own theory was called "The Third Universal Theory." 1757 01:58:38,011 --> 01:58:40,039 Lord Giddens later wrote about his talks 1758 01:58:40,039 --> 01:58:42,043 with the Libyan leader. 1759 01:58:42,043 --> 01:58:45,000 "Colonel Gaddafi likes my term 'the third way' 1760 01:58:45,000 --> 01:58:47,039 "because his own political philosophy 1761 01:58:47,039 --> 01:58:48,091 "is a version of this idea. 1762 01:58:49,095 --> 01:58:53,035 "He makes many intelligent and perceptive points. 1763 01:58:53,036 --> 01:58:55,064 "I leave enlivened and encouraged." 1764 01:58:58,032 --> 01:59:03,011 That for 40 years, the leader of Libya, Muammar Gaddafi... 1765 01:59:03,011 --> 01:59:06,079 And then, Colonel Gaddafi achieved his lifelong dream. 1766 01:59:06,079 --> 01:59:10,015 He was invited to address the United Nations. 1767 01:59:10,015 --> 01:59:14,083 He spent almost two hours explaining his Third International Theory. 1768 01:59:14,083 --> 01:59:16,087 And also demanding an investigation 1769 01:59:16,087 --> 01:59:20,091 into the shootings of President Kennedy and Martin Luther King. 1770 01:59:22,043 --> 01:59:25,028 When he was in New York, Gaddafi was offered a tent, 1771 01:59:25,028 --> 01:59:27,048 just like the one he had at home, 1772 01:59:27,047 --> 01:59:29,051 in the gardens of a grand mansion. 1773 01:59:29,051 --> 01:59:33,027 The man who made the offer was Donald Trump. 1774 01:59:33,028 --> 01:59:35,020 TRUMP:'I've dealt with everybody. 1775 01:59:35,020 --> 01:59:37,048 'And by the way, I can tell you something else!' What? 1776 01:59:37,047 --> 01:59:39,047 'I've dealt with Gaddafi.' 1777 01:59:39,047 --> 01:59:44,027 What did you do?'Excuse me. I rented him a piece of land. 1778 01:59:44,028 --> 01:59:47,068 'He paid me more for one night than the land was worth 1779 01:59:47,068 --> 01:59:49,072 'for the whole year or for two years. 1780 01:59:49,072 --> 01:59:51,036 'And then, I didn't let him use the land! 1781 01:59:51,036 --> 01:59:53,096 'That's what we should be doing.' Was that over in New Jersey? 1782 01:59:53,095 --> 01:59:56,035 'I don't want to use the word "screw", but I screwed him. 1783 01:59:56,036 --> 01:59:57,083 'That's what we should be doing!' 1784 02:00:15,032 --> 02:00:17,052 People in Britain and America now began to 1785 02:00:17,051 --> 02:00:19,011 turn away from politics. 1786 02:00:20,043 --> 02:00:23,095 The effect of the Iraq war had been very powerful. 1787 02:00:23,095 --> 02:00:26,095 Not only did millions of people feel that they had been lied to 1788 02:00:26,095 --> 02:00:28,095 over the weapons of mass destruction, 1789 02:00:28,095 --> 02:00:32,011 but there was a deeper feeling - that whatever 1790 02:00:32,011 --> 02:00:33,083 they did or said had no effect. 1791 02:00:35,032 --> 02:00:38,096 That despite the mass protests, and the fears and the warnings - 1792 02:00:38,095 --> 02:00:40,059 the war had happened anyway. 1793 02:00:44,024 --> 02:00:47,020 Liberals, radicals and a whole new generation 1794 02:00:47,020 --> 02:00:48,080 of young people retreated. 1795 02:00:50,024 --> 02:00:54,032 They turned instead to another world that was free of this hypocrisy 1796 02:00:54,032 --> 02:00:56,083 and the corruption of politics 1797 02:00:57,083 --> 02:00:59,043 They went into cyberspace. 1798 02:00:59,043 --> 02:01:03,079 # Once upon a time it was you by the door 1799 02:01:24,000 --> 02:01:25,028 # I... # 1800 02:01:32,036 --> 02:01:34,056 By now cyberspace had become even more 1801 02:01:34,055 --> 02:01:37,063 sophisticated and responsive to human interaction. 1802 02:01:39,000 --> 02:01:40,087 The online world was full of algorithms 1803 02:01:40,087 --> 02:01:43,067 that could analyse and predict human behaviour. 1804 02:01:45,032 --> 02:01:46,087 The man behind much of this was 1805 02:01:46,087 --> 02:01:49,047 a scientist called Judea Pearl. 1806 02:01:49,047 --> 02:01:52,076 He was the godfather of modern Artificial Intelligence. 1807 02:01:54,000 --> 02:01:56,064 Pearl's breakthrough had been to use what were 1808 02:01:56,064 --> 02:01:58,064 called Bayesian Belief Networks. 1809 02:01:59,068 --> 02:02:02,052 They were systems that could predict behaviour, 1810 02:02:02,051 --> 02:02:05,000 even when the information was incomplete. 1811 02:02:07,068 --> 02:02:10,076 But to make the system work, Pearl and others had imported 1812 02:02:10,076 --> 02:02:13,051 a model of human beings drawn from economics. 1813 02:02:15,003 --> 02:02:18,003 They created what were called rational agents, 1814 02:02:18,003 --> 02:02:20,064 software that mimicked human beings 1815 02:02:20,064 --> 02:02:22,036 but in a very simplified form. 1816 02:02:23,072 --> 02:02:27,020 The model assumed that the agent would always act rationally in 1817 02:02:27,020 --> 02:02:30,052 order to get what it wanted. Nothing more. 1818 02:02:32,020 --> 02:02:34,052 One of the early utopians of cyberspace, 1819 02:02:34,051 --> 02:02:37,047 Jaron Lanier, warned of the implications of this. 1820 02:02:39,047 --> 02:02:41,039 "The agent's model of what you are 1821 02:02:41,039 --> 02:02:44,028 "interested in will always be a cartoon. 1822 02:02:45,068 --> 02:02:48,012 "And in return you will see a cartoon 1823 02:02:48,011 --> 02:02:50,087 "version of the world through the agent's eyes." 1824 02:02:53,087 --> 02:02:57,003 And, he added, "It will never be clear 1825 02:02:57,003 --> 02:03:02,007 "who they are working for - you or someone else." 1826 02:03:12,039 --> 02:03:15,019 New technology began to allow people to upload 1827 02:03:15,020 --> 02:03:18,000 millions of images and videos into cyberspace. 1828 02:03:19,020 --> 02:03:21,060 And the web - which up to that point had seemed 1829 02:03:21,060 --> 02:03:24,044 like an abstract otherworld - began to 1830 02:03:24,043 --> 02:03:26,039 look and feel like the real world. 1831 02:03:26,039 --> 02:03:27,043 INDISTINCT 1832 02:03:29,000 --> 02:03:30,076 No, not yet. 1833 02:03:32,036 --> 02:03:34,024 From videos of animals, personal moments of 1834 02:03:34,024 --> 02:03:36,039 experience, extraordinary events, 1835 02:03:36,039 --> 02:03:39,072 to horrific terror videos, more and more was uploaded. 1836 02:03:39,072 --> 02:03:40,076 HIP-HOP MUSIC PLAYS 1837 02:03:59,011 --> 02:04:01,007 And in a strange, sad twist, 1838 02:04:01,007 --> 02:04:03,083 the first terrorist beheading video that was 1839 02:04:03,083 --> 02:04:05,079 posted online was that of 1840 02:04:05,079 --> 02:04:08,072 Judea Pearl's own son, Daniel Pearl. 1841 02:04:10,003 --> 02:04:11,024 He was a journalist for the 1842 02:04:11,024 --> 02:04:13,079 Wall Street Journal and had been kidnapped by 1843 02:04:13,079 --> 02:04:15,068 radical Islamists in Pakistan. 1844 02:04:17,003 --> 02:04:19,083 They recorded what they said was his confession... 1845 02:04:20,091 --> 02:04:22,031 ..and then his killing. 1846 02:04:26,028 --> 02:04:27,088 My name is Daniel Pearl. 1847 02:04:27,087 --> 02:04:29,043 I'm a Jewish-American. 1848 02:04:29,043 --> 02:04:33,039 I come from... On my father's side of the family, are Zionists. 1849 02:04:34,060 --> 02:04:36,032 My father is Jewish. 1850 02:04:36,032 --> 02:04:38,096 My mother is Jewish. I'm Jewish. 1851 02:04:38,095 --> 02:04:44,011 Only now do I think about some of the people in Guantanamo Bay 1852 02:04:44,011 --> 02:04:46,023 must be in a similar situation. 1853 02:04:49,015 --> 02:04:52,003 This was a new world that the old systems of power 1854 02:04:52,003 --> 02:04:55,011 found it very difficult to deal with. 1855 02:04:55,011 --> 02:04:56,091 In the wake of the 9/11 attacks, 1856 02:04:56,091 --> 02:05:00,003 the security agencies secretly collected data from 1857 02:05:00,003 --> 02:05:01,064 millions of people online. 1858 02:05:02,087 --> 02:05:06,095 One programme was called Optic Nerve. It took stills from 1859 02:05:06,095 --> 02:05:10,023 the webcam conversations of millions of people across the world, 1860 02:05:10,024 --> 02:05:13,032 trying to spot terrorists planning another attack. 1861 02:05:14,079 --> 02:05:18,003 The programme did not discover a single terrorist. 1862 02:05:18,003 --> 02:05:20,011 But it did discover something else. 1863 02:05:21,064 --> 02:05:23,052 A top secret assessment said... 1864 02:05:55,064 --> 02:05:57,052 But increasingly, people were using 1865 02:05:57,051 --> 02:06:00,000 the internet in other ways - to present themselves as 1866 02:06:00,000 --> 02:06:01,032 THEY wanted to be seen. 1867 02:06:02,087 --> 02:06:04,076 I guess the video blog is about me. 1868 02:06:08,036 --> 02:06:10,068 I don't really want to tell you where I live 1869 02:06:10,068 --> 02:06:14,012 because you could, like, stalk me. 1870 02:06:14,011 --> 02:06:17,000 The web drew people in because it was mesmerising. 1871 02:06:17,000 --> 02:06:19,051 It was somewhere that you could explore 1872 02:06:19,051 --> 02:06:21,059 and get lost in in any way you wanted. 1873 02:06:23,024 --> 02:06:26,008 But behind the screen, like in a two-way mirror, 1874 02:06:26,007 --> 02:06:28,023 the simplified agents were watching and 1875 02:06:28,024 --> 02:06:31,012 predicting and guiding your hand on the mouse. 1876 02:06:32,028 --> 02:06:34,028 Stop... 1877 02:06:34,028 --> 02:06:36,096 I nearly... threw my phone away! 1878 02:06:36,095 --> 02:06:39,000 Stop! Stop! 1879 02:06:39,000 --> 02:06:41,032 Pose.Pose. And snap a selfie... 1880 02:06:41,032 --> 02:06:42,052 PHONE CAMERA WHIRS 1881 02:06:42,051 --> 02:06:43,087 There you go.There you go. 1882 02:06:55,043 --> 02:06:57,087 They play with themselves. 1883 02:06:57,087 --> 02:06:59,043 But what they don't know... 1884 02:07:24,055 --> 02:07:26,095 As the intelligent systems online gathered 1885 02:07:26,095 --> 02:07:30,043 ever more data, new forms of guidance began to emerge. 1886 02:07:32,020 --> 02:07:34,056 Social media created filters - 1887 02:07:34,055 --> 02:07:36,047 complex algorithms that looked at what 1888 02:07:36,047 --> 02:07:39,032 individuals liked - and then fed more of the same 1889 02:07:39,032 --> 02:07:40,036 back to them. 1890 02:07:43,020 --> 02:07:45,028 In the process, individuals began to 1891 02:07:45,028 --> 02:07:48,036 move, without noticing, into bubbles that 1892 02:07:48,036 --> 02:07:51,079 isolated them from enormous amounts of other information. 1893 02:07:53,011 --> 02:07:55,039 They only heard and saw what they liked. 1894 02:07:57,028 --> 02:07:58,096 And the news feeds increasingly 1895 02:07:58,095 --> 02:08:01,035 excluded anything that might challenge people's 1896 02:08:01,036 --> 02:08:02,076 pre-existing beliefs. 1897 02:08:05,087 --> 02:08:09,072 # And now it's all right 1898 02:08:09,072 --> 02:08:14,072 # I know my own lie 1899 02:08:14,072 --> 02:08:18,064 # Is coming to say 1900 02:08:18,064 --> 02:08:21,068 # You will call out 1901 02:08:21,068 --> 02:08:24,076 # Yourself 1902 02:08:24,076 --> 02:08:27,051 # I know I thought 1903 02:08:27,051 --> 02:08:32,083 # Makes my face and hands cold 1904 02:08:32,083 --> 02:08:34,036 # And I 1905 02:08:34,036 --> 02:08:36,068 # Ooh 1906 02:08:36,068 --> 02:08:38,039 # Ooh 1907 02:08:38,039 --> 02:08:41,036 # Ooh... # 1908 02:08:53,087 --> 02:08:55,072 The version of cyberspace that was 1909 02:08:55,072 --> 02:08:57,087 rising up seemed to be very much like 1910 02:08:57,087 --> 02:08:59,095 William Gibson's original vision. 1911 02:09:01,047 --> 02:09:03,091 That behind the superficial freedoms of the web 1912 02:09:03,091 --> 02:09:07,091 were a few giant corporations with opaque systems that controlled 1913 02:09:07,091 --> 02:09:10,051 what people saw and shaped what they thought. 1914 02:09:13,003 --> 02:09:15,015 And what was even more mysterious was 1915 02:09:15,015 --> 02:09:19,039 how they made their decisions about what you should like. 1916 02:09:19,039 --> 02:09:21,039 And what should be hidden from you. 1917 02:09:23,055 --> 02:09:28,023 But then, the other utopian vision of cyberspace re-emerged. 1918 02:09:35,036 --> 02:09:37,039 Taking over the roadway. 1919 02:09:37,039 --> 02:09:40,036 CHANTING 1920 02:09:42,036 --> 02:09:44,007 Take it! 1921 02:09:44,007 --> 02:09:47,083 CHEERING AND WHOOPING 1922 02:09:47,083 --> 02:09:50,087 CHANTING 1923 02:09:50,087 --> 02:09:53,095 After the financial crash of 2008 1924 02:09:53,095 --> 02:09:55,087 the politicians saved the banks. 1925 02:09:57,000 --> 02:09:59,064 But they did practically nothing about the massive corruption 1926 02:09:59,064 --> 02:10:01,068 that was revealed in its wake. 1927 02:10:01,068 --> 02:10:03,072 And the reason they gave was that it might 1928 02:10:03,072 --> 02:10:05,016 destabilise the system. 1929 02:10:06,076 --> 02:10:11,000 Public anger burst out. The Occupy movement took over Wall Street 1930 02:10:11,000 --> 02:10:13,064 and then the Senate in Washington. 1931 02:10:13,064 --> 02:10:16,003 The issue is that certain individuals 1932 02:10:16,003 --> 02:10:19,083 that are very wealthy, have pretty much corrupted our political system 1933 02:10:19,083 --> 02:10:21,068 and this is the heart of it. 1934 02:10:21,068 --> 02:10:23,036 This is the Senate building. 1935 02:10:23,036 --> 02:10:26,032 These people have been cut off and they've corrupted our democracy 1936 02:10:26,032 --> 02:10:27,087 and it's literally killing people. 1937 02:10:27,087 --> 02:10:30,043 I'm an Iraqi war vet. I went to Iraq in 2009. 1938 02:10:30,043 --> 02:10:33,011 I've seen what happens first hand when we let corruption 1939 02:10:33,011 --> 02:10:36,027 rule our elected government and democracy. We're coming here today 1940 02:10:36,028 --> 02:10:37,079 just to raise awareness. 1941 02:10:37,079 --> 02:10:40,000 What drove the Occupy movement was the 1942 02:10:40,000 --> 02:10:42,020 original dream of the internet that people 1943 02:10:42,020 --> 02:10:45,076 like John Perry Barlow had outlined in the early 1990s. 1944 02:10:47,047 --> 02:10:50,063 In his Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace, 1945 02:10:50,064 --> 02:10:54,020 Barlow had described a new world free of politics and the 1946 02:10:54,020 --> 02:10:56,056 old hierarchies of power. 1947 02:10:56,055 --> 02:11:00,076 A space where people connected together as equals in a network 1948 02:11:00,076 --> 02:11:03,007 and built a new society without leaders. 1949 02:11:04,072 --> 02:11:07,016 Now, the Occupy movement set out to 1950 02:11:07,015 --> 02:11:09,071 build that kind of society in the real world. 1951 02:11:11,083 --> 02:11:14,019 The camps were to be the models. 1952 02:11:14,020 --> 02:11:18,000 All the meetings used the idea of the human microphone. 1953 02:11:18,000 --> 02:11:19,095 People throughout the crowd repeated a 1954 02:11:19,095 --> 02:11:22,055 speaker's words so everyone could hear them. 1955 02:11:22,055 --> 02:11:25,027 ALL:We are now going to vote... 1956 02:11:25,028 --> 02:11:29,000 SPEAKER:..on whether to stay here for the next two hours... 1957 02:11:29,000 --> 02:11:32,076 ALL:..on whether to stay here for the next two hours... 1958 02:11:32,076 --> 02:11:34,087 SPEAKER:..or leave now. 1959 02:11:34,087 --> 02:11:36,036 ALL:..or leave now. 1960 02:11:36,036 --> 02:11:39,039 But if someone wanted to challenge the speaker, 1961 02:11:39,039 --> 02:11:42,076 the human amplifiers also had to repeat THEIR words 1962 02:11:42,076 --> 02:11:45,032 so their voice had equal power. 1963 02:11:45,032 --> 02:11:46,096 SPEAKER:..what she said... 1964 02:11:46,095 --> 02:11:48,043 ALL:..what she said... 1965 02:11:48,043 --> 02:11:51,064 SPEAKER: ..was that...ALL: ..was that...SPEAKER: ..the proposal... 1966 02:11:51,064 --> 02:11:54,088 Each person was an autonomous individual who expressed 1967 02:11:54,087 --> 02:11:57,007 what they believed. 1968 02:11:57,007 --> 02:12:00,091 But together they became components in a network that organised itself 1969 02:12:00,091 --> 02:12:05,047 through the feedback of information around the system. 1970 02:12:05,047 --> 02:12:09,015 You could organise people without the exercise of power. 1971 02:12:09,015 --> 02:12:10,083 CHANTING 1972 02:12:10,083 --> 02:12:11,095 CAR HORNS BLARE 1973 02:12:11,095 --> 02:12:14,051 The crisis in Egypt. 1974 02:12:14,051 --> 02:12:17,079 CHANTING AND SHOUTING 1975 02:12:20,007 --> 02:12:22,007 A march through our main streets. 1976 02:12:22,007 --> 02:12:25,000 Looks like chaos. Looks like 1977 02:12:25,000 --> 02:12:26,068 police is running around 1978 02:12:26,068 --> 02:12:31,000 and a few hundred people walking down the street. 1979 02:12:32,083 --> 02:12:35,072 Then, almost immediately, the Arab Spring began. 1980 02:12:37,020 --> 02:12:38,092 The first revolution started in Tunisia, 1981 02:12:38,091 --> 02:12:40,095 but it quickly spread to Egypt. 1982 02:12:42,064 --> 02:12:46,016 On January 25th 2011, thousands of Egyptians 1983 02:12:46,015 --> 02:12:48,071 came out in groups across Cairo and then 1984 02:12:48,072 --> 02:12:51,000 started moving towards Tahrir Square. 1985 02:12:53,072 --> 02:12:56,079 It seemed like a spontaneous uprising but the internet 1986 02:12:56,079 --> 02:12:59,047 had played a key role in organising the groups. 1987 02:13:01,003 --> 02:13:02,051 One of the main activists was 1988 02:13:02,051 --> 02:13:05,047 an Egyptian computer engineer called Wael Ghonim. 1989 02:13:06,055 --> 02:13:08,015 He worked for Google in Egypt 1990 02:13:08,015 --> 02:13:11,007 but he had also set up the Facebook site that 1991 02:13:11,007 --> 02:13:14,015 played the key role in organising the first protests. 1992 02:13:16,003 --> 02:13:18,024 As hundreds of thousands took over Tahrir Square, 1993 02:13:18,024 --> 02:13:20,072 Ghonim gave an interview on Egyptian TV. 1994 02:14:04,011 --> 02:14:06,067 But Ghonim was also overwhelmed by the power 1995 02:14:06,068 --> 02:14:08,052 this new technology had, 1996 02:14:08,051 --> 02:14:12,007 that a computer engineer with a keyboard could call out 1997 02:14:12,007 --> 02:14:14,011 thousands of people... 1998 02:14:14,011 --> 02:14:17,000 some of whom then died in the midst of the protests. 1999 02:14:50,095 --> 02:14:53,043 Many liberals in the West saw this as proof 2000 02:14:53,043 --> 02:14:56,079 of the revolutionary power of the internet. 2001 02:14:56,079 --> 02:14:58,095 Again it seemed to be able to organise 2002 02:14:58,095 --> 02:15:00,067 a revolution without leaders. 2003 02:15:02,003 --> 02:15:05,000 A revolution powerful enough to topple a brutal dictator 2004 02:15:05,000 --> 02:15:08,015 who had been backed by America and the West for 30 years. 2005 02:15:15,072 --> 02:15:17,051 But the internet radicals were not the 2006 02:15:17,051 --> 02:15:19,087 only ones who saw their dreams being fulfilled 2007 02:15:19,087 --> 02:15:21,000 in the Arab Spring. 2008 02:15:22,007 --> 02:15:24,072 Many of the political leaders of the West also 2009 02:15:24,072 --> 02:15:27,056 enthusiastically supported the revolutions 2010 02:15:27,055 --> 02:15:31,027 because it seemed to fit with their simple idea of regime change. 2011 02:15:32,076 --> 02:15:34,083 It might have failed in Iraq 2012 02:15:34,083 --> 02:15:37,079 but now the people, everywhere, were rising up to rid 2013 02:15:37,079 --> 02:15:40,055 themselves of the evil tyrants. 2014 02:15:40,055 --> 02:15:42,035 And democracy would flourish. 2015 02:15:56,015 --> 02:15:58,047 So when an uprising began in Libya, 2016 02:15:58,047 --> 02:16:00,095 Britain, France and America supported it. 2017 02:16:02,032 --> 02:16:04,076 And suddenly, Colonel Gaddafi stopped being 2018 02:16:04,076 --> 02:16:05,091 a hero of the West. 2019 02:16:09,003 --> 02:16:13,003 All the politicians, and the public relations people, and the academics 2020 02:16:13,003 --> 02:16:15,091 who had all promoted him as a global thinker 2021 02:16:15,091 --> 02:16:17,031 suddenly disappeared. 2022 02:16:18,051 --> 02:16:23,031 And Gaddafi became yet again an evil dictator who had to be overthrown. 2023 02:16:25,036 --> 02:16:28,039 His son Saif said, "The way these people are 2024 02:16:28,039 --> 02:16:31,003 "disowning me and my father is disgusting. 2025 02:16:32,067 --> 02:16:34,083 "Just a few months ago, we were being treated as 2026 02:16:34,084 --> 02:16:36,076 "honoured friends. 2027 02:16:36,075 --> 02:16:40,011 "Now that rebels are threatening our country, these cowards 2028 02:16:40,012 --> 02:16:41,036 "are turning on us." 2029 02:16:42,043 --> 02:16:45,059 Colonel Gaddafi retreated to the ruins of the house that 2030 02:16:45,059 --> 02:16:49,083 the Americans had bombed 30 years before and addressed the world. 2031 02:16:49,084 --> 02:16:53,040 TRANSLATION: Muammar Gaddafi is the glory. 2032 02:16:53,040 --> 02:16:55,072 If I had a position, if I were a president, 2033 02:16:55,072 --> 02:16:56,087 I would have resigned. 2034 02:16:56,087 --> 02:16:59,067 I would have thrown my resignation in your face. 2035 02:16:59,067 --> 02:17:02,036 But I have no position, no post. 2036 02:17:02,036 --> 02:17:04,007 I have nowhere to resign from. 2037 02:17:04,007 --> 02:17:08,012 I have my gun, I have my rifle to fight for Libya. 2038 02:17:10,007 --> 02:17:12,039 Withdraw your children from the streets. 2039 02:17:14,031 --> 02:17:16,007 Take your children back. 2040 02:17:16,007 --> 02:17:18,039 They are drugging your children. 2041 02:17:18,040 --> 02:17:20,020 They are making your children drunk 2042 02:17:20,020 --> 02:17:23,012 and they are sending them to hell. 2043 02:17:23,012 --> 02:17:25,040 Your children will die. What for? 2044 02:17:36,023 --> 02:17:41,023 In November 2011 a large convoy was spotted driving at high speed 2045 02:17:41,023 --> 02:17:44,000 away from Colonel Gaddafi's home town of Sirte. 2046 02:17:45,036 --> 02:17:46,056 An American drone, 2047 02:17:46,056 --> 02:17:49,015 controlled from a shed outside Las Vegas, 2048 02:17:49,015 --> 02:17:50,039 was sent to follow it. 2049 02:17:51,036 --> 02:17:53,007 CAR HORN BEEPS 2050 02:17:54,020 --> 02:17:57,024 CAR HORNS BEEP 2051 02:17:58,092 --> 02:18:02,040 The operator fired a missile at the lead car of the convoy. 2052 02:18:13,051 --> 02:18:16,047 Gaddafi then fled - looking for shelter from 2053 02:18:16,048 --> 02:18:18,007 the oncoming rebel forces. 2054 02:18:19,031 --> 02:18:21,059 He hid under the road in a drainage pipe. 2055 02:18:56,095 --> 02:18:59,003 But instead of becoming a democracy, 2056 02:18:59,004 --> 02:19:01,004 Libya began to descend into chaos. 2057 02:19:10,023 --> 02:19:13,015 And the other revolutions were also failing. 2058 02:19:13,015 --> 02:19:16,091 The Occupy camps had become trapped in endless meetings. 2059 02:19:16,092 --> 02:19:18,092 And it became clear that there 2060 02:19:18,092 --> 02:19:22,004 was a terrible confusion at the heart of the movement. 2061 02:19:22,004 --> 02:19:23,068 The radicals had believed that if 2062 02:19:23,067 --> 02:19:26,051 they could create a new way of organising people 2063 02:19:26,051 --> 02:19:29,011 then a new society would emerge. 2064 02:19:29,012 --> 02:19:31,096 But what they did not have was a picture of what that 2065 02:19:31,095 --> 02:19:35,003 society would be like, a vision of the future. 2066 02:19:37,007 --> 02:19:40,036 The truth was that their revolution was not about an idea. 2067 02:19:41,051 --> 02:19:43,051 It was about how you manage things. 2068 02:19:46,059 --> 02:19:48,075 And those who had started the revolution 2069 02:19:48,075 --> 02:19:52,000 in Egypt came face-to-face with the same terrible fact. 2070 02:19:53,043 --> 02:19:54,048 Social media had helped 2071 02:19:54,048 --> 02:19:56,096 to bring people together in Tahrir square. 2072 02:19:58,000 --> 02:20:00,079 But once there, the internet gave no clue as 2073 02:20:00,079 --> 02:20:03,087 to what kind of new society they could create in Egypt. 2074 02:20:05,023 --> 02:20:06,055 The movement stalled. 2075 02:20:08,015 --> 02:20:10,043 And a group that DID have a powerful idea - the 2076 02:20:10,043 --> 02:20:13,031 Muslim Brotherhood - rushed in to fill the vacuum. 2077 02:20:14,064 --> 02:20:16,092 The Brotherhood took power in an election 2078 02:20:16,092 --> 02:20:19,079 and one of them, Mohamed Morsi, became President. 2079 02:20:22,059 --> 02:20:24,087 The liberals and the Left were shocked. 2080 02:20:24,087 --> 02:20:26,075 And, bit by bit, they turned back to 2081 02:20:26,075 --> 02:20:30,003 the military, protesting, asking them to save 2082 02:20:30,004 --> 02:20:32,092 the revolution from being captured by Islamists. 2083 02:20:36,051 --> 02:20:40,072 In the spring of 2013, the military took action. 2084 02:20:40,072 --> 02:20:42,059 They arrested the President and 2085 02:20:42,059 --> 02:20:45,047 killed hundreds of his supporters who protested. 2086 02:20:47,012 --> 02:20:50,096 And an extraordinary spectacle unfolded in Tahrir Square. 2087 02:20:51,095 --> 02:20:54,003 Thousands of the liberal activists who 2088 02:20:54,004 --> 02:20:56,036 had begun the revolution two years before, 2089 02:20:56,036 --> 02:20:59,043 summoned by social media, now welcomed the 2090 02:20:59,043 --> 02:21:02,043 military back by waving their laser pens at the 2091 02:21:02,043 --> 02:21:04,023 helicopters flying overhead. 2092 02:21:10,043 --> 02:21:13,072 The crowd had been summoned there once again by Facebook. 2093 02:21:42,056 --> 02:21:44,056 After the failure of the revolutions, it was not 2094 02:21:44,056 --> 02:21:47,048 just the radicals - no-one in the West had 2095 02:21:47,048 --> 02:21:49,072 any idea of how to change the world. 2096 02:21:51,007 --> 02:21:53,051 At home, the politicians had given so much of their 2097 02:21:53,051 --> 02:21:56,036 power away, to finance and the ever-growing 2098 02:21:56,036 --> 02:21:59,067 managerial bureaucracies, that they in effect 2099 02:21:59,067 --> 02:22:01,059 had become managers themselves. 2100 02:22:03,031 --> 02:22:06,007 While abroad, all their adventures had failed. 2101 02:22:07,020 --> 02:22:10,004 And their simplistic vision of the world had been exposed 2102 02:22:10,004 --> 02:22:11,084 as dangerous and destructive. 2103 02:22:16,084 --> 02:22:18,096 But in Russia, there was a group of men who 2104 02:22:18,095 --> 02:22:21,000 had seen how this very lack of belief in 2105 02:22:21,000 --> 02:22:23,064 politics, and dark uncertainty about the 2106 02:22:23,064 --> 02:22:25,095 future could work to their advantage. 2107 02:22:28,004 --> 02:22:30,088 What they had done was turn politics into a strange 2108 02:22:30,087 --> 02:22:33,072 theatre where nobody knew what was true or 2109 02:22:33,072 --> 02:22:35,015 what was fake any longer. 2110 02:22:38,075 --> 02:22:41,027 They were called political technologists and they were 2111 02:22:41,028 --> 02:22:43,043 the key figures behind President Putin. 2112 02:22:44,064 --> 02:22:47,079 They had kept him in power, unchallenged, for 15 years. 2113 02:22:50,043 --> 02:22:52,059 Some of them had been dissidents back in the 1970s 2114 02:22:52,059 --> 02:22:55,047 and had been powerfully influenced by the 2115 02:22:55,048 --> 02:22:58,064 science fiction writings of the Strugatsky brothers. 2116 02:23:00,028 --> 02:23:01,092 20 years later, when Russia fell 2117 02:23:01,092 --> 02:23:05,000 apart after the end of communism, they rose up 2118 02:23:05,000 --> 02:23:06,072 and took control of the media. 2119 02:23:08,007 --> 02:23:11,056 And they used it to manipulate the electorate on a vast scale. 2120 02:23:13,043 --> 02:23:15,067 For them, reality was just something that 2121 02:23:15,067 --> 02:23:18,079 could be manipulated and shaped into anything 2122 02:23:18,079 --> 02:23:19,092 you wanted it to be. 2123 02:23:34,051 --> 02:23:37,056 GLASS THUDS 2124 02:23:39,036 --> 02:23:43,004 But then a technologist emerged who went much further. 2125 02:23:43,004 --> 02:23:44,096 And his ideas would become central to 2126 02:23:44,095 --> 02:23:46,028 Putin's grip on power. 2127 02:23:48,028 --> 02:23:51,020 He was called Vladislav Surkov. 2128 02:23:51,020 --> 02:23:54,051 Surkov came originally from the theatre world and those who have 2129 02:23:54,051 --> 02:23:57,028 studied his career say that what he did was take 2130 02:23:57,028 --> 02:23:59,079 avant-garde ideas from the theatre and bring 2131 02:23:59,079 --> 02:24:01,084 them into the heart of politics. 2132 02:24:03,015 --> 02:24:06,059 Surkov's aim was not just to manipulate people 2133 02:24:06,059 --> 02:24:09,075 but to go deeper and play with, and undermine 2134 02:24:09,075 --> 02:24:12,059 their very perception of the world so they are 2135 02:24:12,059 --> 02:24:14,072 never sure what is really happening. 2136 02:24:21,092 --> 02:24:23,092 Surkov turned Russian politics into 2137 02:24:23,092 --> 02:24:27,096 a bewildering, constantly changing piece of theatre. 2138 02:24:27,095 --> 02:24:29,055 He used Kremlin money to sponsor 2139 02:24:29,056 --> 02:24:34,000 all kinds of groups - from mass anti-fascist youth organisations, 2140 02:24:34,000 --> 02:24:36,056 to the very opposite - neo-Nazi skinheads. 2141 02:24:40,028 --> 02:24:42,007 And liberal human rights groups who 2142 02:24:42,007 --> 02:24:44,031 then attacked the government. 2143 02:24:44,031 --> 02:24:47,011 Surkov even backed whole political parties that were 2144 02:24:47,012 --> 02:24:49,000 opposed to President Putin. 2145 02:24:50,084 --> 02:24:54,072 But the key thing was that Surkov then let it be known that this 2146 02:24:54,072 --> 02:24:56,076 was what he was doing. 2147 02:24:56,075 --> 02:24:59,095 Which meant that no-one was sure what was real or what was fake 2148 02:24:59,095 --> 02:25:01,000 in modern Russia. 2149 02:25:03,000 --> 02:25:04,075 As one journalist put it, 2150 02:25:04,075 --> 02:25:08,019 "It's a strategy of power that keeps any opposition 2151 02:25:08,020 --> 02:25:09,084 "constantly confused - 2152 02:25:09,084 --> 02:25:13,084 "a ceaseless shape-shifting that is unstoppable 2153 02:25:13,084 --> 02:25:15,072 "because it is indefinable." 2154 02:25:20,007 --> 02:25:23,039 Meanwhile, real power was elsewhere - 2155 02:25:23,040 --> 02:25:24,096 hidden away behind the stage, 2156 02:25:24,095 --> 02:25:28,011 exercised without anyone seeing it. 2157 02:25:32,028 --> 02:25:36,092 And then the same thing seemed to start happening in the West. 2158 02:25:38,007 --> 02:25:40,059 By now it was becoming ever more clear 2159 02:25:40,059 --> 02:25:43,003 that the system had deep flaws. 2160 02:25:43,004 --> 02:25:45,064 Every month there were new revelations, 2161 02:25:45,064 --> 02:25:49,043 of most of the banks' involvement in global corruption, 2162 02:25:49,043 --> 02:25:52,051 of massive tax avoidance by all the major corporations, 2163 02:25:52,051 --> 02:25:55,023 of the secret surveillance of everyone's e-mails 2164 02:25:55,023 --> 02:25:57,091 by the National Security Agency. 2165 02:25:57,092 --> 02:26:00,040 Yet no-one was prosecuted, 2166 02:26:00,040 --> 02:26:03,020 except for a few people at the lowest levels. 2167 02:26:04,028 --> 02:26:05,087 And behind it all, 2168 02:26:05,087 --> 02:26:08,064 the massive inequality kept on growing. 2169 02:26:08,064 --> 02:26:11,076 Yet the structure of power remained the same. 2170 02:26:11,075 --> 02:26:14,095 Nothing ever changed - 2171 02:26:14,095 --> 02:26:19,015 because nothing could be allowed to destabilise the system. 2172 02:26:19,015 --> 02:26:21,059 But then the shape-shifting began. 2173 02:26:22,067 --> 02:26:25,000 CHEERING 2174 02:26:25,000 --> 02:26:27,028 Thank you very much. So nice. 2175 02:26:27,028 --> 02:26:30,087 So amazing. So amazing. 2176 02:26:30,087 --> 02:26:33,003 WOMAN: We love you. What? That's OK. 2177 02:26:33,004 --> 02:26:34,040 I love you more, OK? 2178 02:26:34,040 --> 02:26:35,088 CHEERING 2179 02:26:35,087 --> 02:26:37,075 The campaign that Donald Trump ran 2180 02:26:37,075 --> 02:26:40,043 was unlike anything before in politics. 2181 02:26:40,043 --> 02:26:41,092 Nothing was fixed. 2182 02:26:41,092 --> 02:26:44,004 What he said, who he attacked 2183 02:26:44,004 --> 02:26:49,048 and how he attacked them was constantly changing and shifting. 2184 02:26:49,048 --> 02:26:51,032 Trump attacked his Republican rivals 2185 02:26:51,031 --> 02:26:54,095 as all being part of a broken and corrupt system - 2186 02:26:54,095 --> 02:26:58,007 a politics where everyone could be bought, 2187 02:26:58,007 --> 02:27:02,036 using words that could have come from the Occupy movement. 2188 02:27:02,036 --> 02:27:05,028 You've also donated to several Democratic candidates, 2189 02:27:05,028 --> 02:27:07,079 Hillary Clinton included, Nancy Pelosi. 2190 02:27:07,079 --> 02:27:10,084 You explained away those donations saying you did that 2191 02:27:10,084 --> 02:27:13,020 to get business-related favours. 2192 02:27:13,020 --> 02:27:15,064 And you said recently, "When you give, 2193 02:27:15,064 --> 02:27:18,084 "they do whatever the hell you want them to do." 2194 02:27:18,084 --> 02:27:22,020 You'd better believe it. So what specifically did they do? 2195 02:27:22,020 --> 02:27:24,060 If I ask them, if I need them... 2196 02:27:24,059 --> 02:27:26,047 You know, most of the people on this stage, 2197 02:27:26,048 --> 02:27:29,032 I've given to, just so you understand, a lot of money. 2198 02:27:29,031 --> 02:27:31,079 I will tell you that our system is broken. 2199 02:27:31,079 --> 02:27:33,075 I give to many people. 2200 02:27:33,075 --> 02:27:36,015 Before this, before two months ago, I was a businessman. 2201 02:27:36,015 --> 02:27:38,072 I give to everybody. When they call, I give. 2202 02:27:38,072 --> 02:27:41,036 And you know what, when I need something from them, 2203 02:27:41,036 --> 02:27:43,087 two years later, three years later, I call them. 2204 02:27:43,087 --> 02:27:47,023 They are there for me. So what did you get?And that's a broken system. 2205 02:27:47,023 --> 02:27:50,043 But at the same time, Trump used the language 2206 02:27:50,043 --> 02:27:53,051 of the extreme racist right in America, 2207 02:27:53,051 --> 02:27:55,095 connecting with people's darkest fears - 2208 02:27:55,095 --> 02:27:59,055 pushing them and bringing those fears out into the open. 2209 02:27:59,056 --> 02:28:01,079 Get the fuck out of here! 2210 02:28:01,079 --> 02:28:04,023 Our country, motherfucker! 2211 02:28:04,023 --> 02:28:05,075 Our country! 2212 02:28:05,075 --> 02:28:07,039 Proud fucking American! 2213 02:28:07,040 --> 02:28:09,004 Made in the USA, bitch! 2214 02:28:09,004 --> 02:28:11,072 Made in the fucking USA! 2215 02:28:11,072 --> 02:28:14,012 Don't fucking come back, burrito bitch! 2216 02:28:16,075 --> 02:28:19,091 Go fucking right back to jail, motherfucker! 2217 02:28:19,092 --> 02:28:22,092 Build that fucking wall for me! 2218 02:28:22,092 --> 02:28:25,024 Trump! Donald Trump! 2219 02:28:25,023 --> 02:28:27,072 Fuck you! I love my country! 2220 02:28:27,072 --> 02:28:30,092 Yeah! I'll fuck like at least ten of you up in one session, 2221 02:28:30,092 --> 02:28:32,076 you fucking pussy! 2222 02:28:32,075 --> 02:28:35,059 Many of the facts that Trump asserted 2223 02:28:35,059 --> 02:28:37,083 were also completely untrue. 2224 02:28:37,084 --> 02:28:39,096 But Trump didn't care. 2225 02:28:39,095 --> 02:28:42,091 He and his audience knew that much of what he said 2226 02:28:42,092 --> 02:28:45,012 bore little relationship to reality. 2227 02:28:46,067 --> 02:28:49,079 This meant that Trump defeated journalism - 2228 02:28:49,079 --> 02:28:52,015 because the journalists' central belief was that 2229 02:28:52,015 --> 02:28:56,036 their job was to expose lies and assert the truth. 2230 02:28:56,036 --> 02:28:58,051 With Trump, this became irrelevant. 2231 02:29:00,043 --> 02:29:04,000 Not surprisingly, Vladimir Putin admired this. 2232 02:29:05,000 --> 02:29:07,028 MAN SPEAKS RUSSIAN 2233 02:29:52,084 --> 02:29:55,060 The liberals were outraged by Trump. 2234 02:29:55,059 --> 02:29:58,043 But they expressed their anger in cyberspace, 2235 02:29:58,043 --> 02:30:00,012 so it had no effect - 2236 02:30:00,012 --> 02:30:03,064 because the algorithms made sure that they only spoke to people 2237 02:30:03,064 --> 02:30:05,020 who already agreed with them. 2238 02:30:06,056 --> 02:30:10,079 Instead, ironically, their waves of angry messages and tweets 2239 02:30:10,079 --> 02:30:14,084 benefitted the large corporations who ran the social media platforms. 2240 02:30:16,031 --> 02:30:21,000 One online analyst put it simply, "Angry people click more." 2241 02:30:25,023 --> 02:30:27,007 It meant that the radical fury 2242 02:30:27,007 --> 02:30:29,048 that came like waves across the internet 2243 02:30:29,048 --> 02:30:32,088 no longer had the power to change the world. 2244 02:30:32,087 --> 02:30:35,059 Instead, it was becoming a fuel 2245 02:30:35,059 --> 02:30:38,039 that was feeding the new systems of power 2246 02:30:38,040 --> 02:30:40,040 and making them ever more powerful. 2247 02:30:45,000 --> 02:30:47,079 But none of the liberals could possibly imagine 2248 02:30:47,079 --> 02:30:50,051 that Donald Trump could ever win the nomination. 2249 02:30:50,051 --> 02:30:53,000 It was just a giant pantomime. 2250 02:30:56,043 --> 02:30:58,051 Then of course there's Donald Trump. 2251 02:30:58,051 --> 02:31:00,095 Donald Trump has been saying that he will run for president 2252 02:31:00,095 --> 02:31:02,091 as a Republican, which is surprising, 2253 02:31:02,092 --> 02:31:05,004 since I just assumed he was running as a joke. 2254 02:31:05,004 --> 02:31:08,056 LAUGHTER 2255 02:31:13,040 --> 02:31:16,084 Donald Trump often appears on Fox, which is ironic, 2256 02:31:16,084 --> 02:31:19,076 because a fox often appears on Donald Trump's head. 2257 02:31:19,075 --> 02:31:21,031 LAUGHTER 2258 02:31:27,043 --> 02:31:29,064 Donald Trump owns the Miss USA Pageant, 2259 02:31:29,064 --> 02:31:31,023 which is great for Republicans 2260 02:31:31,023 --> 02:31:33,087 because it will streamline their search for a vice president. 2261 02:31:33,087 --> 02:31:35,039 LAUGHTER 2262 02:31:40,092 --> 02:31:44,048 Donald Trump said recently he has a great relationship with the blacks. 2263 02:31:44,048 --> 02:31:47,020 though unless the Blacks are a family of white people, 2264 02:31:47,020 --> 02:31:49,064 I bet he's mistaken. 2265 02:31:49,064 --> 02:31:51,007 LAUGHTER 2266 02:32:01,015 --> 02:32:03,031 But underneath the liberal disdain, 2267 02:32:03,031 --> 02:32:07,063 both Donald Trump in America, and Vladislav Surkov in Russia 2268 02:32:07,064 --> 02:32:09,092 had realised the same thing - 2269 02:32:09,092 --> 02:32:13,051 that the version of reality that politics presented 2270 02:32:13,051 --> 02:32:15,067 was no longer believable, 2271 02:32:15,067 --> 02:32:19,039 that the stories politicians told their people about the world 2272 02:32:19,040 --> 02:32:22,012 had stopped making sense. 2273 02:32:22,012 --> 02:32:25,092 And in the face of that, you could play with reality, 2274 02:32:25,092 --> 02:32:28,079 constantly shifting and changing, 2275 02:32:28,079 --> 02:32:31,095 and in the process, further undermine and weaken 2276 02:32:31,095 --> 02:32:33,079 the old forms of power. 2277 02:32:33,079 --> 02:32:35,064 CHILDREN SING 2278 02:33:00,036 --> 02:33:03,087 And there was another force that was about to dramatically reveal 2279 02:33:03,087 --> 02:33:07,020 just how weak politics had become in the West - 2280 02:33:07,020 --> 02:33:08,056 Syria. 2281 02:33:08,056 --> 02:33:10,056 CHILDREN SING 2282 02:33:31,031 --> 02:33:34,039 The attack happened here at a central police station 2283 02:33:34,040 --> 02:33:35,080 in Damascus. 2284 02:33:35,079 --> 02:33:39,015 Police say the bomber came up the stairs, 2285 02:33:39,015 --> 02:33:41,072 police then opened fire, 2286 02:33:41,072 --> 02:33:44,084 and then police say he detonated the explosives. 2287 02:33:44,084 --> 02:33:46,060 And the damage is here to see. 2288 02:33:46,059 --> 02:33:51,055 Behind me, the pockmarked walls where the ball bearings hit. 2289 02:33:51,056 --> 02:33:55,004 Blood splattered on the walls. 2290 02:33:55,004 --> 02:33:59,004 And the force of the blast caused walls to collapse. 2291 02:33:59,004 --> 02:34:03,076 And everything is topsy-turvy, everything destroyed. 2292 02:34:10,004 --> 02:34:14,004 By now Syria was being torn apart by a horrific civil war. 2293 02:34:14,004 --> 02:34:16,096 What had started as part of the Arab Spring 2294 02:34:16,095 --> 02:34:19,067 had turned into a vicious battle to the death 2295 02:34:19,067 --> 02:34:23,000 between Bashar Assad and his opponents. 2296 02:34:23,000 --> 02:34:24,095 And at the heart of the conflict 2297 02:34:24,095 --> 02:34:28,043 was the force that his father had first brought to the West - 2298 02:34:28,043 --> 02:34:30,067 suicide bombing. 2299 02:34:30,067 --> 02:34:32,075 THEY SPEAK IN OWN LANGUAGE 2300 02:34:36,059 --> 02:34:37,083 Back in the 1980s 2301 02:34:37,084 --> 02:34:41,008 Bashar Assad's father had seen suicide bombing 2302 02:34:41,007 --> 02:34:42,092 as a weapon he could use 2303 02:34:42,092 --> 02:34:46,048 to force the Americans out of the Middle East. 2304 02:34:46,048 --> 02:34:49,088 But over the next 30 years it had shifted and mutated 2305 02:34:49,087 --> 02:34:53,031 into something that had now ended up doing the very opposite - 2306 02:34:53,031 --> 02:34:55,072 tearing the Arab world apart. 2307 02:34:59,012 --> 02:35:03,072 Hafez al-Assad's dream of a powerful and united Arab world 2308 02:35:03,072 --> 02:35:05,043 was now destroyed. 2309 02:35:05,043 --> 02:35:10,000 In Iraq, extremist Sunni groups had used suicide bombing 2310 02:35:10,000 --> 02:35:13,051 as a way to start a sectarian war. 2311 02:35:13,051 --> 02:35:18,056 And now groups like Isis brought the same techniques into Syria 2312 02:35:18,056 --> 02:35:22,015 to attack not just Assad's son but his fellow Shi'ites. 2313 02:35:28,064 --> 02:35:32,012 And like his father, Bashar Assad retaliated 2314 02:35:32,012 --> 02:35:34,016 with a vengeful fury. 2315 02:35:34,015 --> 02:35:35,095 And the country fell apart. 2316 02:35:38,067 --> 02:35:40,051 MAN:Allahu Akbar. 2317 02:35:40,051 --> 02:35:42,003 WHOOSHING 2318 02:35:46,043 --> 02:35:48,075 Allahu Akbar. Allahu Akbar. 2319 02:35:56,051 --> 02:35:58,007 ROARING 2320 02:36:03,064 --> 02:36:05,020 My fellow Americans... 2321 02:36:05,020 --> 02:36:08,020 tonight I want to talk to you about Syria - 2322 02:36:08,020 --> 02:36:12,072 why it matters and where we go from here. 2323 02:36:12,072 --> 02:36:16,067 Faced by the war, western politicians were bewildered. 2324 02:36:16,067 --> 02:36:20,039 They insisted Bashar Assad was evil. 2325 02:36:20,040 --> 02:36:23,092 But then it turned out that his enemies were more evil 2326 02:36:23,092 --> 02:36:25,068 and more horrific than him. 2327 02:36:25,067 --> 02:36:27,083 The question before the House today 2328 02:36:27,084 --> 02:36:30,088 is how we keep the British people safe from the threat 2329 02:36:30,087 --> 02:36:32,051 posed by Isil. 2330 02:36:32,051 --> 02:36:36,000 This is not about whether we want to fight terrorism, 2331 02:36:36,000 --> 02:36:37,072 it's about how best we do that. 2332 02:36:39,023 --> 02:36:41,067 So Britain, America and France 2333 02:36:41,067 --> 02:36:45,023 decided to bomb the terrorist threat. 2334 02:36:45,023 --> 02:36:48,059 But the effect of that was to help keep Assad in power. 2335 02:36:50,040 --> 02:36:51,092 WHOOSHING 2336 02:36:53,059 --> 02:36:55,031 CLATTERING 2337 02:36:55,031 --> 02:36:58,000 Then it became more confusing. 2338 02:36:58,000 --> 02:37:00,092 Suddenly, the Russians intervened. 2339 02:37:02,012 --> 02:37:05,028 President Putin sent hundreds of planes and combat troops 2340 02:37:05,028 --> 02:37:07,072 to support Assad. 2341 02:37:07,072 --> 02:37:11,084 But no-one knew what their underlying aim was. 2342 02:37:11,084 --> 02:37:14,016 They seemed to be using a strategy that 2343 02:37:14,015 --> 02:37:16,095 Vladislav Surkov had developed in the Ukraine. 2344 02:37:18,020 --> 02:37:20,087 He called it non-linear warfare. 2345 02:37:20,087 --> 02:37:24,020 It was a new kind of war - where you never know 2346 02:37:24,020 --> 02:37:26,051 what the enemy are really up to. 2347 02:37:26,051 --> 02:37:28,075 MAN:Allahu Akbar. 2348 02:37:28,075 --> 02:37:32,063 The underlying aim, Surkov said, was not to win the war, 2349 02:37:32,064 --> 02:37:35,072 but to use the conflict to create a constant state 2350 02:37:35,072 --> 02:37:37,079 of destabilised perception - 2351 02:37:37,079 --> 02:37:40,051 in order to manage and control. 2352 02:37:40,051 --> 02:37:42,047 MAN BREATHES HEAVILY 2353 02:37:43,040 --> 02:37:44,084 Allahu Akbar. 2354 02:37:44,084 --> 02:37:46,088 ORCHESTRA PLAYS 2355 02:37:50,028 --> 02:37:54,064 In March 2016 the Russians suddenly announced with a great fanfare 2356 02:37:54,064 --> 02:37:57,000 that they were leaving Syria. 2357 02:37:57,000 --> 02:38:00,000 And a concert was held in the ruins of Palmyra 2358 02:38:00,000 --> 02:38:01,064 to celebrate the withdrawal. 2359 02:38:03,087 --> 02:38:07,047 But in reality, the Russians never left. 2360 02:38:07,048 --> 02:38:08,068 They are still there, 2361 02:38:08,067 --> 02:38:12,003 and still no-one knows what they want. 2362 02:38:12,004 --> 02:38:14,016 HE SPEAKS IN OWN LANGUAGE 2363 02:38:21,043 --> 02:38:25,007 And within Syria there was a new Islamist ideologist 2364 02:38:25,007 --> 02:38:28,023 who was determined to exploit the growing uncertainties 2365 02:38:28,023 --> 02:38:30,059 in Europe and America. 2366 02:38:30,059 --> 02:38:33,072 He was called Abu Musab al-Suri - 2367 02:38:33,072 --> 02:38:35,072 the Syrian. 2368 02:38:37,051 --> 02:38:39,036 HE SPEAKS IN OWN LANGUAGE 2369 02:38:45,036 --> 02:38:49,059 Al-Suri had originally worked with Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan, 2370 02:38:49,059 --> 02:38:52,031 but he had turned against him. 2371 02:38:52,031 --> 02:38:55,007 Al-Suri gave lectures that had a powerful effect 2372 02:38:55,007 --> 02:38:56,056 on the Islamist movement. 2373 02:38:56,056 --> 02:38:59,072 He argued that bin Laden had been wrong 2374 02:38:59,072 --> 02:39:01,064 to attack the West head on, 2375 02:39:01,064 --> 02:39:04,059 because it created a massive military response 2376 02:39:04,059 --> 02:39:07,087 that had almost destroyed Islamism. 2377 02:39:07,087 --> 02:39:09,087 Instead, al-Suri said, 2378 02:39:09,087 --> 02:39:12,036 independent groups or individuals 2379 02:39:12,036 --> 02:39:15,028 should stage random, small-scale attacks 2380 02:39:15,028 --> 02:39:17,092 on civilians in Europe and America. 2381 02:39:17,092 --> 02:39:20,007 The aim was to spread fear, 2382 02:39:20,007 --> 02:39:22,036 uncertainty and doubt - 2383 02:39:22,036 --> 02:39:26,031 and undermine the already failing authority of western politicians. 2384 02:39:46,087 --> 02:39:50,056 The effect of the attacks shocked Europe and America 2385 02:39:50,056 --> 02:39:55,064 and gave powerful force to the new politics of uncertainty and anxiety. 2386 02:39:57,020 --> 02:39:59,084 I'm sure that you, with me, 2387 02:39:59,084 --> 02:40:04,008 share the absolute horror and total revulsion 2388 02:40:04,007 --> 02:40:07,043 at what happened in Paris last Friday. 2389 02:40:07,043 --> 02:40:09,020 And I'm afraid there is, 2390 02:40:09,020 --> 02:40:12,000 and we have to be honest and frank about this 2391 02:40:12,000 --> 02:40:15,031 and talk about these things without being fearful, 2392 02:40:15,031 --> 02:40:21,095 there is a problem with some of the Muslim community in this country. 2393 02:40:21,095 --> 02:40:24,047 There is a problem. And we have to be honest about it. 2394 02:40:24,048 --> 02:40:27,052 Our politicians, I'm afraid, haven't had the guts. 2395 02:40:27,051 --> 02:40:31,036 APPLAUSE 2396 02:40:31,036 --> 02:40:34,015 This could be the great Trojan horse of all time, 2397 02:40:34,015 --> 02:40:37,083 because you look at the migration... Study it, look at it. 2398 02:40:37,084 --> 02:40:40,068 Now they'll start infiltrating with women and children. 2399 02:40:40,067 --> 02:40:43,083 Both the Brexit campaign in Britain 2400 02:40:43,084 --> 02:40:45,072 and Donald Trump in America 2401 02:40:45,072 --> 02:40:48,059 did exactly what al-Suri had predicted. 2402 02:40:48,059 --> 02:40:51,091 They used the fear to dramatise a world where everything - 2403 02:40:51,092 --> 02:40:55,024 even going to a restaurant - had become a risky event. 2404 02:40:56,040 --> 02:41:00,056 And what had been seen as doomed campaigns on the fringes of society 2405 02:41:00,056 --> 02:41:03,004 that could never win became frighteningly real. 2406 02:41:04,056 --> 02:41:08,043 I am genuinely freaked out right now about this whole Brexit thing. 2407 02:41:08,043 --> 02:41:11,039 Because we'd all been told that it wasn't going to happen, 2408 02:41:11,040 --> 02:41:13,096 like it was going away, it was going away from Brexiting 2409 02:41:13,095 --> 02:41:15,043 and on to the staying. 2410 02:41:15,043 --> 02:41:18,043 And because I had this, like bedrock belief... 2411 02:41:18,043 --> 02:41:20,095 I have friends who, like, live and work in London, 2412 02:41:20,095 --> 02:41:24,039 and they said, "Don't worry, we're a very sensible people." 2413 02:41:24,040 --> 02:41:25,056 LAUGHTER 2414 02:41:25,056 --> 02:41:27,064 "This isn't going to happen. It's a lot of talk, 2415 02:41:27,064 --> 02:41:29,079 "but we don't do that sort of stuff here." 2416 02:41:29,079 --> 02:41:32,028 Um...they were wrong. 2417 02:41:32,028 --> 02:41:33,084 LAUGHTER 2418 02:41:33,084 --> 02:41:38,084 And that really kind of crushes my view of, 2419 02:41:38,084 --> 02:41:40,056 like, what can happen that is bad 2420 02:41:40,056 --> 02:41:42,068 that we don't think is going to happen. 2421 02:41:42,067 --> 02:41:44,059 Like it's just not supposed to happen. 2422 02:41:48,056 --> 02:41:50,032 CROWD GASPS 2423 02:41:56,007 --> 02:41:58,003 CLANKING 2424 02:41:58,004 --> 02:42:00,036 DRIPPING 2425 02:42:00,036 --> 02:42:02,004 CLANKING 2426 02:42:03,048 --> 02:42:06,012 I fear that we are watching 2427 02:42:06,012 --> 02:42:10,064 the stirrings of fascism in Europe again. 2428 02:42:10,064 --> 02:42:15,051 And I genuinely never thought it would be my country 2429 02:42:15,051 --> 02:42:16,087 that did that. 2430 02:42:16,087 --> 02:42:18,095 I thought this would be America. 2431 02:42:18,095 --> 02:42:22,059 I thought America was the people who were so filled with hate. 2432 02:42:22,059 --> 02:42:24,015 Not us. 2433 02:42:24,015 --> 02:42:28,047 And I'm so disappointed. 2434 02:42:28,048 --> 02:42:30,028 I'm so hurt. 2435 02:42:34,095 --> 02:42:36,031 Zee. 2436 02:42:38,051 --> 02:42:41,011 MUSIC: Standing Room Only by Barbara Mandrell. 2437 02:42:51,079 --> 02:42:57,064 # You must think my bed's a bus stop 2438 02:42:57,064 --> 02:43:02,095 # The way you come and go HE COUGHS 2439 02:43:02,095 --> 02:43:07,023 # I ain't seen you with the lights on 2440 02:43:08,079 --> 02:43:12,023 # Two nights in a row 2441 02:43:13,084 --> 02:43:17,088 # So pack your rusty razor 2442 02:43:19,020 --> 02:43:22,076 # Don't bother with goodbye 2443 02:43:24,084 --> 02:43:28,052 # Your cup runneth open 2444 02:43:29,079 --> 02:43:35,023 # But mine is always dry 2445 02:43:37,043 --> 02:43:40,067 # Standing room only 2446 02:43:41,079 --> 02:43:45,039 # I can't stand no more 2447 02:43:48,023 --> 02:43:52,051 # Standing room only 2448 02:43:52,051 --> 02:43:57,000 # Outside my door 2449 02:44:00,023 --> 02:44:04,028 # Don't help me set the table 2450 02:44:05,064 --> 02:44:10,012 # Cos now there's one less place 2451 02:44:12,015 --> 02:44:17,011 # I won't lay Mama's silver 2452 02:44:17,012 --> 02:44:21,052 # For a man who won't say grace 2453 02:44:22,067 --> 02:44:25,051 # If home is where the heart is... # 2454 02:44:25,051 --> 02:44:27,083 This is my right to free speech going on here, OK? 2455 02:44:27,084 --> 02:44:32,032 # Then your home's on the streets 2456 02:44:33,079 --> 02:44:37,075 # Me, I'll read a good book 2457 02:44:39,007 --> 02:44:43,048 # Turn out the lights and go to sleep 2458 02:44:45,092 --> 02:44:48,040 # Standing room only 2459 02:44:50,012 --> 02:44:55,036 # I can't stand no more, no more 2460 02:44:56,092 --> 02:45:00,043 # Standing room only 2461 02:45:02,015 --> 02:45:05,003 # Outside my door... # 2462 02:45:05,004 --> 02:45:07,048 TINNY MUSIC PLAYS 2463 02:45:07,048 --> 02:45:09,052 INDISTINCT SPEECH 2464 02:45:20,007 --> 02:45:21,051 Oh. 2465 02:45:23,064 --> 02:45:25,012 You're on video.Oh. 2466 02:45:28,095 --> 02:45:31,039 Say bye, Heather. 2467 02:45:31,040 --> 02:45:32,068 VIDEO OFF 102381

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