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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,633 --> 00:00:05,969 With no medical training. 2 00:00:06,053 --> 00:00:08,972 A Hollywood producer whose most outrageous story 3 00:00:09,056 --> 00:00:12,476 turned out to be the one about himself. 4 00:00:12,517 --> 00:00:15,937 And a jazz musician whose greatest performance 5 00:00:16,021 --> 00:00:20,275 was the one that was given offstage. 6 00:00:22,361 --> 00:00:25,864 What makes a person want to become someone else? 7 00:00:25,947 --> 00:00:28,992 Is it to escape their life? 8 00:00:29,076 --> 00:00:32,245 Or is it to fool someone? 9 00:00:32,329 --> 00:00:35,874 Or is there an even more profound reason? 10 00:00:35,957 --> 00:00:41,338 Well, that is what we'll try and find out. 11 00:01:00,857 --> 00:01:03,276 As the Korean War rages around it, 12 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:08,824 the Royal Canadian destroyer HMCS Cayuga brings aboard 13 00:01:08,907 --> 00:01:11,952 19 badly wounded South Korean soldiers 14 00:01:12,035 --> 00:01:14,496 requiring immediate surgery. 15 00:01:14,579 --> 00:01:18,417 Dr. Joseph Cyr, the ship's newly arrived physician, 16 00:01:18,500 --> 00:01:21,962 is called upon to perform a series of procedures 17 00:01:22,045 --> 00:01:23,922 to save the men's lives. 18 00:01:24,005 --> 00:01:26,049 There's quite a few wounded men. 19 00:01:26,133 --> 00:01:29,428 They're taken on board, and the ship captain tells Dr. Cyr, 20 00:01:29,511 --> 00:01:32,139 "You have to operate. You have to save these guys." 21 00:01:32,180 --> 00:01:34,391 So, according to all accounts, 22 00:01:34,474 --> 00:01:37,811 Dr. Cyr takes this relatively calmly 23 00:01:37,853 --> 00:01:40,021 and goes to it. 24 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:43,984 While the patients are prepped for surgery, 25 00:01:44,025 --> 00:01:46,403 Dr. Cyr reviews a medical textbook 26 00:01:46,486 --> 00:01:49,448 in his private quarters to prepare himself 27 00:01:49,531 --> 00:01:51,825 for what would be the defining moment 28 00:01:51,908 --> 00:01:55,954 of not only his career, but his entire life. 29 00:01:56,037 --> 00:01:59,249 He Performs a number of operations 30 00:01:59,332 --> 00:02:01,751 on these wounded South Korean soldiers, 31 00:02:01,835 --> 00:02:04,713 removing bullets, doing chest surgery. 32 00:02:04,796 --> 00:02:07,466 And by all accounts, he was successful. 33 00:02:08,592 --> 00:02:11,970 The story of Dr. Cyr's valiant performance 34 00:02:12,053 --> 00:02:15,557 hit Canadian newspapers and spread like wildfire. 35 00:02:15,640 --> 00:02:18,894 Across the country, people read about the naval doctor's 36 00:02:18,977 --> 00:02:21,146 heroic efforts to save the lives 37 00:02:21,229 --> 00:02:23,148 of the Korean soldiers. 38 00:02:23,231 --> 00:02:26,193 But there was at least one woman who was stunned 39 00:02:26,276 --> 00:02:30,238 by the news that Dr. Joseph Cyr had become a national hero. 40 00:02:30,322 --> 00:02:32,991 And as it turned out, she had a very good reason 41 00:02:33,033 --> 00:02:34,826 to be surprised. 42 00:02:34,910 --> 00:02:39,664 The mother of Dr. Joseph Cyr was reading the newspaper, 43 00:02:39,748 --> 00:02:42,709 and reads this account of her son. 44 00:02:42,792 --> 00:02:45,629 So she phones her son up, and her son is sort of like, 45 00:02:45,712 --> 00:02:48,965 "Uh, no, I'm still posted in New Brunswick. 46 00:02:49,007 --> 00:02:51,301 I'm not on a ship. What are you talking about?" 47 00:02:51,384 --> 00:02:54,221 And it becomes obvious very quickly 48 00:02:54,304 --> 00:02:58,183 that the guy on board the destroyer is an imposter. 49 00:02:58,266 --> 00:03:01,186 The mother of the real doctor contacts the RCMP, 50 00:03:01,269 --> 00:03:04,147 Canada's equivalent of the FBI, 51 00:03:04,189 --> 00:03:06,816 and the shipboard captain on the destroyer is told, 52 00:03:06,858 --> 00:03:09,277 "Uh, well, your surgeon is an imposter. 53 00:03:09,361 --> 00:03:11,613 Uh, we've, uh, got to take him into custody." 54 00:03:11,696 --> 00:03:15,325 He's taken back to Canada, he's put before a court 55 00:03:15,367 --> 00:03:18,828 that would reveal that he's Ferdinand Demara, 56 00:03:18,870 --> 00:03:20,830 of Lawrence, Massachusetts. 57 00:03:20,872 --> 00:03:24,459 An American from Massachusetts 58 00:03:24,543 --> 00:03:27,420 masquerading as a Canadian naval doctor 59 00:03:27,504 --> 00:03:30,131 in the Sea of Japan? 60 00:03:30,215 --> 00:03:31,716 But how? 61 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:33,093 And why? 62 00:03:33,176 --> 00:03:34,970 Ferdinand Demara 63 00:03:35,011 --> 00:03:36,638 is a very fascinating man. 64 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:40,350 First of all, he came from a middle-class family. 65 00:03:40,433 --> 00:03:41,977 Very comfortable. 66 00:03:42,060 --> 00:03:45,814 But then they suffered the Great Depression, 67 00:03:45,855 --> 00:03:47,023 They had to move. 68 00:03:47,107 --> 00:03:49,901 They had to downgrade, as it were. 69 00:03:49,985 --> 00:03:51,361 They get to a poor neighborhood, 70 00:03:51,444 --> 00:03:56,157 less of the affluent or semi-affluent amenities. 71 00:03:56,199 --> 00:03:59,202 So he went from a lot to less, 72 00:03:59,286 --> 00:04:01,997 but it seemed to bother him more than his parents, 73 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,124 the best that we can tell. 74 00:04:04,207 --> 00:04:08,211 And therefore, he had to fill in the difference. 75 00:04:08,295 --> 00:04:11,756 By all accounts, he's a very smart kid. 76 00:04:11,798 --> 00:04:13,842 You know, does well at school. 77 00:04:13,925 --> 00:04:15,468 But he drops out of high school, 78 00:04:15,510 --> 00:04:19,180 and he starts this weird sort of moving around 79 00:04:19,264 --> 00:04:22,058 and trying on new personas. 80 00:04:22,142 --> 00:04:25,812 It turns out that he has the ability 81 00:04:25,895 --> 00:04:27,814 to memorize very quickly. 82 00:04:27,856 --> 00:04:31,484 He even claimed that he had a photographic memory. 83 00:04:31,526 --> 00:04:34,237 So that he could look at something, 84 00:04:34,321 --> 00:04:36,781 say, "That really belongs to me," 85 00:04:36,865 --> 00:04:41,745 and with a very good intellect, he could carry this off. 86 00:04:41,828 --> 00:04:43,288 And he found 87 00:04:43,371 --> 00:04:47,167 he could "borrow" any kind of credential 88 00:04:47,208 --> 00:04:52,172 and become that person represented by that credential. 89 00:04:53,173 --> 00:04:55,467 He starts that from a very early age, 90 00:04:55,550 --> 00:04:58,178 and he joins the military, goes AWOL, 91 00:04:58,261 --> 00:05:01,306 joins other branches of the military. 92 00:05:01,348 --> 00:05:03,933 In one of his very early impersonations, 93 00:05:04,017 --> 00:05:07,020 he pretends to be a Trappist monk 94 00:05:07,103 --> 00:05:09,147 and joins a monastery. 95 00:05:09,230 --> 00:05:13,109 At the time he was pretending to be a Christian monk, 96 00:05:13,193 --> 00:05:17,197 he made friends with a Canadian doctor named Joseph Cyr, 97 00:05:17,280 --> 00:05:20,867 and he then goes to enlist in the Canadian Navy 98 00:05:20,950 --> 00:05:23,411 and announces that he's Dr. Joseph Cyr 99 00:05:23,495 --> 00:05:26,623 and uses the same credentials that the real doctor had. 100 00:05:26,706 --> 00:05:30,001 There's a war going on at the time in Korea, 101 00:05:30,085 --> 00:05:32,045 so they don't ask too many questions. 102 00:05:32,128 --> 00:05:34,172 They're just delighted to get a surgeon. 103 00:05:34,255 --> 00:05:36,466 In addition to posing 104 00:05:36,508 --> 00:05:38,968 as a military surgeon and a monk, 105 00:05:39,010 --> 00:05:41,262 Demara tried his hand at impersonating 106 00:05:41,346 --> 00:05:44,140 a number of other professions, including 107 00:05:44,224 --> 00:05:46,476 civil engineer, zoologist, 108 00:05:46,559 --> 00:05:49,229 psychologist, philosophy professor 109 00:05:49,312 --> 00:05:52,982 and lawyer, among many others. 110 00:05:53,024 --> 00:05:55,777 Demara became so adept at impersonation 111 00:05:55,860 --> 00:06:00,907 that he eventually became known by his most famous alias of all: 112 00:06:00,990 --> 00:06:03,702 The Great Imposter. 113 00:06:03,785 --> 00:06:06,454 Ironically, Demara's life went full circle. 114 00:06:06,538 --> 00:06:09,249 After pretending to be all these different identities 115 00:06:09,332 --> 00:06:13,503 his whole life, in the end he became famous for who he was. 116 00:06:13,545 --> 00:06:15,505 Oh, I've been a surgeon lieutenant 117 00:06:15,547 --> 00:06:17,382 in the Royal Canadian Navy. 118 00:06:17,465 --> 00:06:19,134 -You operated on people? -Mm-hmm. 119 00:06:21,052 --> 00:06:23,012 Isn't that rather dangerous? 120 00:06:23,096 --> 00:06:25,098 -You might say that. -Uh-huh. 121 00:06:25,181 --> 00:06:27,183 Where did you steal your new credentials? 122 00:06:27,267 --> 00:06:29,310 -I acquire these things. -Oh. 123 00:06:29,352 --> 00:06:30,812 I know. You keep telling me that. 124 00:06:30,895 --> 00:06:34,023 I hate to bring the word "steal" into this conversation. 125 00:06:34,107 --> 00:06:37,277 He appeared on You Bet Your Life with Groucho Marx, 126 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:39,154 and he makes it clear 127 00:06:39,237 --> 00:06:42,157 that he, "acquired credentials," 128 00:06:42,198 --> 00:06:45,160 and that he's going to use his prize money 129 00:06:45,243 --> 00:06:47,579 to buy more credentials. 130 00:06:47,662 --> 00:06:49,914 Were you in jail in... in, uh, Canada? 131 00:06:49,998 --> 00:06:52,417 -No, no. -In the United States, have you ever been in jail? 132 00:06:52,500 --> 00:06:54,836 Yes, I have been in jail. I spent a year 133 00:06:54,878 --> 00:06:56,588 in the Texas State Penitentiary. 134 00:06:56,671 --> 00:06:58,673 -Well, it's about time, I... - 135 00:06:58,757 --> 00:06:59,799 that somebody nails you. 136 00:06:59,883 --> 00:07:01,468 What were you in there for? 137 00:07:01,509 --> 00:07:04,137 Uh, I was in there as deputy warden. 138 00:07:05,972 --> 00:07:07,766 As a result of that, 139 00:07:07,849 --> 00:07:09,184 everybody wants to meet him, 140 00:07:09,267 --> 00:07:11,603 wants to talk about him, wants to hear about him. 141 00:07:11,686 --> 00:07:13,605 -Are you Martin Goddard? -Yes, I am. 142 00:07:13,688 --> 00:07:16,483 And your real name is Ferdinand Waldo Demara Jr.? 143 00:07:16,524 --> 00:07:18,485 And then when Tony Curtis acted 144 00:07:18,568 --> 00:07:21,321 in The Great Imposter, he became famous 145 00:07:21,404 --> 00:07:23,740 because he could fool the world. 146 00:07:25,033 --> 00:07:26,951 In many respects, 147 00:07:27,035 --> 00:07:28,828 to be an imposter is... 148 00:07:28,870 --> 00:07:33,082 fairly normal, although we think of them as... 149 00:07:33,166 --> 00:07:34,918 somehow pathological. 150 00:07:35,001 --> 00:07:38,588 In fact, there are many people who do it for work. 151 00:07:38,671 --> 00:07:41,341 Actors are a form of imposters. 152 00:07:41,424 --> 00:07:43,885 There are people who put on a costume or a uniform 153 00:07:43,968 --> 00:07:47,722 to transform themselves in some way that gives them 154 00:07:47,806 --> 00:07:50,809 some measure of authority in their work. 155 00:07:50,892 --> 00:07:53,645 Let's face it: at one time or another, 156 00:07:53,728 --> 00:07:56,648 most of us have fantasized about trying on a new identity. 157 00:07:56,689 --> 00:08:00,360 Like when we engage in role-playing games 158 00:08:00,443 --> 00:08:02,821 or wear costumes on Halloween. 159 00:08:02,904 --> 00:08:04,823 For most of us, of course, 160 00:08:04,906 --> 00:08:08,201 the fantasy remains simply that: a fantasy. 161 00:08:08,284 --> 00:08:10,995 But in the case of Ferdinand Demara, 162 00:08:11,037 --> 00:08:12,247 The Great Imposter, 163 00:08:12,330 --> 00:08:14,374 by pretending to be a surgeon, 164 00:08:14,457 --> 00:08:17,877 is it possible that-- in his mind, at least-- 165 00:08:17,961 --> 00:08:20,839 he actually became one? 166 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,383 Ferdinand Demara impersonated a surgeon. 167 00:08:23,466 --> 00:08:25,802 He wasn't a surgeon, but during the Korean War 168 00:08:25,844 --> 00:08:28,388 while he was on a ship, he saved lives. 169 00:08:28,471 --> 00:08:30,598 His ability to adapt from impersonation 170 00:08:30,682 --> 00:08:33,142 might have given him the ability to adapt 171 00:08:33,184 --> 00:08:34,978 under a stressful situation. 172 00:08:35,019 --> 00:08:38,356 "Con man," of course, "con" is a kind of a nickname. 173 00:08:38,439 --> 00:08:42,819 The origin of that word is "confidence." 174 00:08:42,902 --> 00:08:47,448 In the case of someone like Ferdinand Demara, 175 00:08:47,532 --> 00:08:49,742 because of his success 176 00:08:49,826 --> 00:08:55,123 in being able to truly believe every one of his fantasies 177 00:08:55,206 --> 00:08:57,667 as one new piece of reality, 178 00:08:57,709 --> 00:09:01,004 he can act it out in such a real way 179 00:09:01,087 --> 00:09:03,423 for a limited period of time. 180 00:09:04,674 --> 00:09:06,593 By the time of his death, 181 00:09:06,676 --> 00:09:09,888 from a heart attack on June 7, 1982, 182 00:09:09,971 --> 00:09:13,182 Ferdinand Demara had spent the last several years of his life 183 00:09:13,266 --> 00:09:14,767 as a Baptist minister 184 00:09:14,851 --> 00:09:18,396 and later a counselor at Good Samaritan Hospital 185 00:09:18,479 --> 00:09:20,648 in Anaheim, California. 186 00:09:20,690 --> 00:09:25,194 In his obituary, Demara's lawyer and good friend, Melvin Belli, 187 00:09:25,278 --> 00:09:27,572 is quoted as saying... 188 00:09:31,117 --> 00:09:32,827 And why should there be? 189 00:09:32,911 --> 00:09:37,415 After all, most of us can only live one life at a time. 190 00:09:37,498 --> 00:09:41,794 Ferdinand Demara was able to live several. 191 00:09:50,678 --> 00:09:52,430 Chris! Chris, Chris! 192 00:09:52,513 --> 00:09:54,557 French movie producer Christopher Reyes 193 00:09:54,641 --> 00:09:56,851 is the talk of Tinseltown. 194 00:09:56,935 --> 00:09:58,770 Where's the girls tonight? 195 00:10:00,521 --> 00:10:01,731 Between a movie deal 196 00:10:01,814 --> 00:10:04,651 with action star Jean-Claude Van Damme, 197 00:10:04,734 --> 00:10:08,363 co-ownership of two chic Beverly Hills boutiques, 198 00:10:08,446 --> 00:10:11,658 a perfume line endorsed by singer Michael Jackson 199 00:10:11,741 --> 00:10:15,495 and a Playboy Playmate wife, 200 00:10:15,536 --> 00:10:19,374 it appears Reyes's burgeoning reputation 201 00:10:19,457 --> 00:10:21,292 as a Hollywood player is secure. 202 00:10:21,376 --> 00:10:22,710 Thanks, Chris. 203 00:10:22,794 --> 00:10:24,087 -Good to see you. -All right. 204 00:10:25,755 --> 00:10:28,633 He would mix with some of the movers and shakers in L. A. 205 00:10:28,716 --> 00:10:31,803 Uh, so he'd throw kind of glamorous dinner parties. 206 00:10:31,844 --> 00:10:34,806 He'd invite all of his friends that he'd met, 207 00:10:34,847 --> 00:10:37,167 and he'd make sure that they saw that he was being generous 208 00:10:37,225 --> 00:10:38,476 during these parties. 209 00:10:38,518 --> 00:10:40,561 He said he was a venture capitalist. 210 00:10:40,645 --> 00:10:43,398 He was in L. A. and he was mixing with the kind of people 211 00:10:43,481 --> 00:10:44,983 who are also millionaires. 212 00:10:45,066 --> 00:10:49,320 He would talk of how he was Sophia Loren's son, 213 00:10:49,362 --> 00:10:52,323 he was Oscar de la Renta's nephew, and there was no reason 214 00:10:52,407 --> 00:10:53,658 for people to disbelieve him. 215 00:10:53,741 --> 00:10:55,618 He would maybe say, "Do you want to invest? 216 00:10:55,702 --> 00:10:57,954 He'd give them an opportunity, and they would think 217 00:10:58,037 --> 00:11:00,665 that they were gonna get something from him. 218 00:11:00,748 --> 00:11:02,333 Chris! Let's go. 219 00:11:02,417 --> 00:11:05,628 To everyone he meets, it seems Christopher Reyes 220 00:11:05,712 --> 00:11:08,715 has perfected the recipe for Hollywood success. 221 00:11:08,798 --> 00:11:12,677 Except there's one key ingredient missing. 222 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,722 Because, as it turns out, the man claiming 223 00:11:15,805 --> 00:11:19,142 to be Christopher Reyes is a bigger fiction 224 00:11:19,183 --> 00:11:22,645 than any conceived by a Hollywood screenwriter. 225 00:11:22,687 --> 00:11:25,523 He is actually a notorious French con artist 226 00:11:25,606 --> 00:11:29,235 named Christophe Rocancourt. 227 00:11:29,318 --> 00:11:32,905 Well, Rocancourt was the world's coolest con man, in essence. 228 00:11:32,989 --> 00:11:36,993 Um, you know, he was smooth, he was charismatic. 229 00:11:37,035 --> 00:11:38,828 He was ambitious. 230 00:11:38,911 --> 00:11:41,622 So, he had all the traits of a classic con man. 231 00:11:41,706 --> 00:11:43,624 By all accounts, 232 00:11:43,708 --> 00:11:47,670 Christophe's approach was very simple, but direct. 233 00:11:47,712 --> 00:11:50,048 He would tell people, you know "If you invest 234 00:11:50,131 --> 00:11:52,800 in my various enterprises," 235 00:11:52,884 --> 00:11:55,470 you know, "I can vastly increase your money." 236 00:11:55,511 --> 00:11:58,639 So his methods were not terribly, 237 00:11:58,723 --> 00:12:01,476 you know, sophisticated, but they worked, 238 00:12:01,517 --> 00:12:04,771 and he pulled in a lot of money from people. 239 00:12:08,191 --> 00:12:11,319 In Paris, he'd set up this alias for himself, 240 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:12,945 a wealthy Russian nobleman. 241 00:12:13,029 --> 00:12:16,240 From just sheer confidence and imagination, 242 00:12:16,324 --> 00:12:20,161 he was able to pull off a few scams. Uh, most notably, 243 00:12:20,244 --> 00:12:23,581 when he managed to forge the deeds to a building in Paris 244 00:12:23,664 --> 00:12:25,833 and sell it for over a million dollars. 245 00:12:25,917 --> 00:12:28,044 As he scammed his way across Europe, 246 00:12:28,127 --> 00:12:31,464 Christophe Rocancourt defrauded dozens of victims 247 00:12:31,547 --> 00:12:33,633 under numerous aliases. 248 00:12:33,716 --> 00:12:35,802 But while authorities had a mountain of lies 249 00:12:35,885 --> 00:12:38,805 and fake identities to sort through, 250 00:12:38,846 --> 00:12:42,517 they were missing one elusive truth: 251 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:44,602 who actually was 252 00:12:44,685 --> 00:12:47,188 Christophe Rocancourt? 253 00:12:50,233 --> 00:12:52,527 Rocancourt grew up, um, in a small town 254 00:12:52,610 --> 00:12:54,278 on the Normandy coast, 255 00:12:54,362 --> 00:12:56,823 uh, just where the-the River Seine meets the English Channel. 256 00:12:56,864 --> 00:12:59,450 Uh, it's a lovely place, um, 257 00:12:59,534 --> 00:13:01,702 but he didn't have the best childhood. 258 00:13:02,537 --> 00:13:04,997 His father was an alcoholic 259 00:13:05,039 --> 00:13:08,626 and his mother had to resort to prostitution. 260 00:13:08,709 --> 00:13:12,839 Here is a young person who is in 261 00:13:12,922 --> 00:13:17,218 a desperate survival mode from the earliest stages. 262 00:13:17,301 --> 00:13:22,223 This kind of person really has no reason to trust the world. 263 00:13:22,306 --> 00:13:25,143 And so he found out 264 00:13:25,226 --> 00:13:30,398 that he can acquire wealth by deceptive means. 265 00:13:30,481 --> 00:13:32,441 There's no reason for him to feel sorry 266 00:13:32,525 --> 00:13:34,902 about the next person, 'cause in his mind, 267 00:13:34,986 --> 00:13:37,864 presumably, no one felt sorry for him. 268 00:13:39,323 --> 00:13:41,826 I think the game had its own reward. 269 00:13:41,909 --> 00:13:43,494 This is a very hostile game, 270 00:13:43,536 --> 00:13:45,830 and this is a wounded, aggressive person. 271 00:13:45,872 --> 00:13:49,000 He wanted to hurt people. He wanted to take their money. 272 00:13:49,041 --> 00:13:52,712 It was a coldhearted transaction. 273 00:13:54,046 --> 00:13:56,757 For most people, the notion of scamming 274 00:13:56,841 --> 00:14:00,052 and conniving their way to wealth and happiness 275 00:14:00,136 --> 00:14:01,345 is unthinkable. 276 00:14:01,429 --> 00:14:05,641 So, what drives serial impostors 277 00:14:05,725 --> 00:14:08,644 like Christophe Rocancourt to use impersonation 278 00:14:08,686 --> 00:14:11,647 to not merely pretend to be someone else, 279 00:14:11,689 --> 00:14:14,275 but to actually inflict harm? 280 00:14:14,358 --> 00:14:19,947 And not just once or twice, but over and over again? 281 00:14:20,031 --> 00:14:21,991 For a lot of impostors that grow up 282 00:14:22,074 --> 00:14:24,160 in a damaged childhood where they're facing abuse 283 00:14:24,202 --> 00:14:26,829 or traumatic events, they have to develop 284 00:14:26,913 --> 00:14:28,998 these sort of coping mechanisms. 285 00:14:29,081 --> 00:14:32,210 One, they start to see themselves on the outside 286 00:14:32,293 --> 00:14:34,879 of the normal reality that everyone else does. 287 00:14:34,962 --> 00:14:36,756 The society as a norm is here, 288 00:14:36,797 --> 00:14:38,382 and they're on the outskirts of that. 289 00:14:38,466 --> 00:14:41,510 So, then they start to categorize people as others. 290 00:14:41,594 --> 00:14:43,304 The second is that they have to be able 291 00:14:43,346 --> 00:14:45,681 to anticipate the actions of their abuser. 292 00:14:45,765 --> 00:14:47,808 So, this starts to form an unusual kind 293 00:14:47,850 --> 00:14:51,312 of predictive empathy in order for them to survive. 294 00:14:56,359 --> 00:14:59,153 No matter the reason for their duplicity, 295 00:14:59,195 --> 00:15:01,489 once discovered, most impostors' lives 296 00:15:01,572 --> 00:15:03,783 are shattered beyond repair. 297 00:15:03,866 --> 00:15:05,743 But while you might think someone 298 00:15:05,826 --> 00:15:08,537 as internationally notorious as Christophe Rocancourt 299 00:15:08,621 --> 00:15:09,914 would stop his antics 300 00:15:09,997 --> 00:15:15,169 after being so thoroughly exposed, well, 301 00:15:15,211 --> 00:15:17,088 you'd be wrong. 302 00:15:17,171 --> 00:15:19,715 Eventually things came tumbling down when people 303 00:15:19,799 --> 00:15:21,676 started suspecting that he was a fraud. 304 00:15:21,759 --> 00:15:25,054 So when he moved from L. A. to New York, 305 00:15:25,137 --> 00:15:26,806 Rocancourt was running the same scams 306 00:15:26,889 --> 00:15:28,140 as he always had done. 307 00:15:28,182 --> 00:15:30,142 He was having lavish dinner parties, 308 00:15:30,184 --> 00:15:32,353 he was inviting exclusive guests. 309 00:15:32,436 --> 00:15:34,647 He was getting them to invest large sums of money, 310 00:15:34,730 --> 00:15:37,316 $50,000 or a $100,000 at a time. 311 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:40,319 I think people started suspecting Rocancourt 312 00:15:40,361 --> 00:15:43,781 when a few things just stopped adding up. 313 00:15:43,864 --> 00:15:46,909 He was driving a Mazda rather than the kind of car 314 00:15:46,993 --> 00:15:49,078 that you'd expect a millionaire to be driving. 315 00:15:49,161 --> 00:15:50,913 He tasted some wine that was cheap wine, 316 00:15:50,997 --> 00:15:53,165 and he thought it was expensive wine. 317 00:15:53,249 --> 00:15:55,251 Maybe he was just getting sloppy. 318 00:15:55,334 --> 00:15:57,962 And it was an unpaid hotel bill in the end 319 00:15:58,045 --> 00:16:01,299 that was the thing that got him caught. 320 00:16:01,340 --> 00:16:05,636 In 2003, Christophe Rocancourt plead guilty 321 00:16:05,678 --> 00:16:09,932 to charges of bribery, theft and fraud. 322 00:16:10,016 --> 00:16:13,978 He was ordered to pay $1.2 million to his victims 323 00:16:14,061 --> 00:16:17,773 and sentenced to 46 months in federal prison. 324 00:16:17,857 --> 00:16:21,402 After his release in October 2005, 325 00:16:21,485 --> 00:16:23,070 Rocancourt returned to Europe 326 00:16:23,154 --> 00:16:25,948 where his notoriety as a smooth-talking con man 327 00:16:26,032 --> 00:16:28,909 continued to make headlines. 328 00:16:28,993 --> 00:16:32,788 But Rocancourt's deceptions appear almost benign 329 00:16:32,872 --> 00:16:36,000 when compared to those of another famous impostor, 330 00:16:36,042 --> 00:16:39,337 one who became so desperate to hide his true identity 331 00:16:39,378 --> 00:16:42,673 that it not only cost people their fortunes, 332 00:16:42,715 --> 00:16:50,715 it also cost them their lives. 333 00:16:55,644 --> 00:16:59,065 Sandra Boss, a recent Harvard Business School graduate, 334 00:16:59,148 --> 00:17:02,943 marries Clark Rockefeller, a man who is known to her 335 00:17:03,027 --> 00:17:05,654 as a member of one of the wealthiest 336 00:17:05,738 --> 00:17:07,948 and most powerful families in America. 337 00:17:09,784 --> 00:17:11,494 After the couple's fairy-tale wedding, 338 00:17:11,577 --> 00:17:12,953 Sandra went to work 339 00:17:13,037 --> 00:17:15,247 for a prestigious consulting firm in Boston 340 00:17:15,373 --> 00:17:19,335 while Clark resumed working on international poverty relief. 341 00:17:19,377 --> 00:17:22,254 But the fairy tale didn't last long. 342 00:17:22,338 --> 00:17:25,174 He claimed he was working on so many high-level things, 343 00:17:25,257 --> 00:17:28,010 but he wasn't contributing to the marriage financially. 344 00:17:28,094 --> 00:17:30,763 And he said, "Well, to charge these struggling countries 345 00:17:30,846 --> 00:17:33,182 a fee would be, you know, unconscionable." 346 00:17:33,265 --> 00:17:36,977 He didn't seem to want to go out and get a regular job. 347 00:17:37,019 --> 00:17:40,439 And so she was beginning to get tired of this. 348 00:17:43,526 --> 00:17:45,326 After more than ten years of marriage, 349 00:17:45,403 --> 00:17:48,656 Sandra Boss finally had enough and filed for divorce. 350 00:17:48,781 --> 00:17:52,243 It was a decision that would not only unravel her marriage, 351 00:17:52,326 --> 00:17:57,706 but also unravel the strange truth about her husband. 352 00:17:57,790 --> 00:17:59,417 Clark Rockefeller had 353 00:17:59,542 --> 00:18:03,003 no passport, no credit cards, no birth certificate 354 00:18:03,129 --> 00:18:05,131 that she could find. 355 00:18:05,214 --> 00:18:07,134 She can't come up with any documentation. 356 00:18:07,258 --> 00:18:10,136 So she really has the whip hand during the divorce, 357 00:18:10,261 --> 00:18:14,348 and she ends up winning custody of their daughter, Snooks. 358 00:18:14,432 --> 00:18:18,144 He's absolutely gobsmacked by this, and he's miserable, 359 00:18:18,227 --> 00:18:20,855 because he is actually devoted to his daughter. 360 00:18:20,938 --> 00:18:22,815 So he comes up with this harebrained plan 361 00:18:22,898 --> 00:18:25,693 and he kidnaps his daughter. 362 00:18:25,776 --> 00:18:27,695 The FBI immediately launched 363 00:18:27,778 --> 00:18:29,280 a nationwide manhunt, 364 00:18:29,363 --> 00:18:33,033 but Clark Rockefeller had vanished into thin air. 365 00:18:33,159 --> 00:18:35,870 And the reason the authorities had such a hard time 366 00:18:35,953 --> 00:18:37,872 tracking down Clark Rockefeller 367 00:18:37,955 --> 00:18:39,748 was because 368 00:18:39,832 --> 00:18:43,335 there was no Clark Rockefeller. 369 00:18:43,419 --> 00:18:46,046 So, I'm at home. My brother calls me. 370 00:18:46,130 --> 00:18:49,717 He goes, "Turn on CNN right now." 371 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:53,721 I turn on the TV, and I look, and I go, 372 00:18:53,804 --> 00:18:56,640 "That's Christian Gerhartsreiter." 373 00:18:56,724 --> 00:18:59,310 And it says right across the top, "Clark Rockefeller." 374 00:18:59,351 --> 00:19:01,896 So we called the FBI and said, 375 00:19:01,979 --> 00:19:03,439 "This is Christian Gerhartsreiter." 376 00:19:03,522 --> 00:19:06,358 He was a German exchange student that came to our house. 377 00:19:06,442 --> 00:19:08,652 I was 15 at the time, 378 00:19:08,694 --> 00:19:12,156 and he was 17. 379 00:19:12,239 --> 00:19:14,575 But the FBI, like, they didn't even know his name. 380 00:19:15,826 --> 00:19:18,162 It was covered in all the media, on television, 381 00:19:18,245 --> 00:19:22,917 and when the AMBER Alert was issued, he was apprehended. 382 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:26,462 He was returned to Boston to face charges. 383 00:19:26,545 --> 00:19:29,298 And that's when his incredible life 384 00:19:29,381 --> 00:19:33,594 of all these different personas unspooled. 385 00:19:33,677 --> 00:19:36,472 At trial, Sandra watched as her husband, the man 386 00:19:36,597 --> 00:19:40,100 she had believed to be a member of the Rockefeller family, 387 00:19:40,184 --> 00:19:42,811 was sentenced to four to five years in prison 388 00:19:42,853 --> 00:19:45,481 for custodial kidnapping. 389 00:19:45,523 --> 00:19:48,984 But what was it that compelled Christian 390 00:19:49,026 --> 00:19:51,028 to lie to his friends, family 391 00:19:51,111 --> 00:19:54,031 and associates for so long? 392 00:19:55,824 --> 00:19:58,827 The phenomenon of an impostor is an interesting dichotomy 393 00:19:58,869 --> 00:20:00,246 that somebody has to live with. 394 00:20:00,371 --> 00:20:03,207 They have two stories constantly colliding. 395 00:20:03,290 --> 00:20:05,834 And often, if you're going to perpetuate that consistently, 396 00:20:05,876 --> 00:20:08,295 you have to almost have a form of delusion, 397 00:20:08,379 --> 00:20:10,398 to be able to compartmentalize one of those realities 398 00:20:10,422 --> 00:20:12,049 so that you can live your life 399 00:20:12,132 --> 00:20:15,094 without having this other one on the back burner. 400 00:20:15,177 --> 00:20:18,764 Are impostors who carry out elaborate deceptions 401 00:20:18,847 --> 00:20:22,518 acting out a kind of wish fantasy? 402 00:20:23,936 --> 00:20:25,980 And if so, how does this fantasy 403 00:20:26,021 --> 00:20:28,107 first take hold in their mind? 404 00:20:28,190 --> 00:20:31,986 For the answer, perhaps it's best to look all the way back 405 00:20:32,069 --> 00:20:34,029 into Christian's past. 406 00:20:35,864 --> 00:20:37,700 Christian Karl Gerhartsreiter 407 00:20:37,783 --> 00:20:39,785 grew up in West Germany. 408 00:20:39,868 --> 00:20:42,496 By all accounts, he was kind of a bit of an oddball, 409 00:20:42,580 --> 00:20:44,665 prone to fantasy, a little on the nerdy side, 410 00:20:44,707 --> 00:20:49,003 and really wanted to get out of West Germany. 411 00:20:49,086 --> 00:20:53,257 So in 1978, he travels to the United States 412 00:20:53,340 --> 00:20:56,802 and shows up on the doorstep of this family in Connecticut 413 00:20:56,885 --> 00:20:58,429 called the Savios, 414 00:20:58,512 --> 00:21:00,681 and just sort of went into high school, 415 00:21:00,764 --> 00:21:03,434 said he was an exchange student, and things got 416 00:21:03,517 --> 00:21:06,145 progressively stranger from there. 417 00:21:06,228 --> 00:21:09,648 He told me that his father created parts 418 00:21:09,690 --> 00:21:11,150 for Mercedes-Benz. 419 00:21:11,191 --> 00:21:13,152 And, of course, you know, they had money. 420 00:21:13,193 --> 00:21:15,154 You know, servants. 421 00:21:15,237 --> 00:21:16,822 We all knew it was ridiculous. 422 00:21:16,864 --> 00:21:19,283 We laughed at it at the time. 423 00:21:20,451 --> 00:21:23,037 By 1985, Christian had taken up residence 424 00:21:23,120 --> 00:21:24,747 on the West Coast. 425 00:21:24,830 --> 00:21:27,583 He had also taken a new name. 426 00:21:27,666 --> 00:21:30,002 He moved to San Marino, which is a rich community 427 00:21:30,085 --> 00:21:31,337 in Southern California, 428 00:21:31,420 --> 00:21:34,298 and assumed the name Christopher Chichester, 429 00:21:34,381 --> 00:21:37,635 and announced that he was part of the British royal family. 430 00:21:37,718 --> 00:21:41,221 He would go get free lunches at social clubs 431 00:21:41,305 --> 00:21:42,681 and private members clubs. 432 00:21:42,765 --> 00:21:46,226 He'd start schmoozing up all the rich ladies in town, 433 00:21:46,352 --> 00:21:48,771 attends a very fancy church. 434 00:21:48,854 --> 00:21:51,065 Ends up living in the guesthouse 435 00:21:51,148 --> 00:21:54,985 of a local woman named Ruth Sohus. 436 00:21:55,069 --> 00:21:56,904 He lives there rent-free, 437 00:21:56,987 --> 00:21:59,573 and all is well for a while, but then 438 00:21:59,657 --> 00:22:04,328 Ruth's son, John, shows up with his wife Linda. 439 00:22:04,411 --> 00:22:06,038 And John, apparently, 440 00:22:06,121 --> 00:22:09,416 was a bit suspicious of this 441 00:22:09,541 --> 00:22:11,960 strange guy living in Mom's guesthouse. 442 00:22:12,044 --> 00:22:15,881 And then, all of a sudden, Linda and her husband disappear. 443 00:22:15,964 --> 00:22:19,218 Soon after Linda and John Sohus disappeared, 444 00:22:19,301 --> 00:22:21,637 so did Christopher Chichester. 445 00:22:21,679 --> 00:22:25,516 And Christian the imposter moved back to the East Coast, 446 00:22:25,641 --> 00:22:29,687 where he would eventually live under his most infamous alias: 447 00:22:29,770 --> 00:22:31,355 Clark Rockefeller. 448 00:22:31,438 --> 00:22:35,109 The rest, as they say, is history. 449 00:22:35,192 --> 00:22:36,902 But not before this bizarre story 450 00:22:37,027 --> 00:22:40,489 took yet another unexpected twist. 451 00:22:40,614 --> 00:22:42,908 In March of 2011, 452 00:22:42,991 --> 00:22:46,370 after Christian was convicted of kidnapping his daughter, 453 00:22:46,453 --> 00:22:49,248 authorities in California gathered enough evidence 454 00:22:49,331 --> 00:22:51,583 to charge him with a more serious crime 455 00:22:51,667 --> 00:22:55,546 than any he had been charged with before: 456 00:22:55,671 --> 00:22:57,881 the 1985 murder 457 00:22:58,006 --> 00:23:00,134 of John Sohus. 458 00:23:02,052 --> 00:23:05,013 Ruth Sohus had passed away, 459 00:23:05,097 --> 00:23:07,433 and another couple had bought her home 460 00:23:07,516 --> 00:23:09,685 and were installing a swimming pool. 461 00:23:09,810 --> 00:23:12,438 Where Christian lived in San Marino, 462 00:23:12,521 --> 00:23:16,358 they dug up the backyard and discovered human remains. 463 00:23:16,442 --> 00:23:19,695 And the body was cut up into pieces, 464 00:23:19,778 --> 00:23:21,947 but it was wearing the same kind of clothes 465 00:23:22,030 --> 00:23:24,324 that John Sohus typically wore: 466 00:23:24,366 --> 00:23:26,326 jeans and a flannel shirt. 467 00:23:26,368 --> 00:23:30,164 And apparently, parts were in bags from schools 468 00:23:30,205 --> 00:23:33,375 that Christian Gerhartsreiter had attended. 469 00:23:33,459 --> 00:23:37,629 So then he was put on trial for murdering John Sohus. 470 00:23:37,713 --> 00:23:40,174 He was found guilty, and he is now an inmate 471 00:23:40,257 --> 00:23:42,468 in San Quentin Prison in California. 472 00:23:42,593 --> 00:23:44,970 The police detective that I interviewed 473 00:23:45,053 --> 00:23:46,805 said that the motive was money. 474 00:23:46,889 --> 00:23:49,516 He was to inherit a sizable amount of money 475 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:53,312 from Ruth Sohus, and that's what they believed. 476 00:23:53,395 --> 00:23:56,315 And Linda Sohus had disappeared 477 00:23:56,398 --> 00:23:58,066 off the face of the earth. 478 00:23:58,150 --> 00:23:59,485 What happened to Linda? 479 00:23:59,526 --> 00:24:02,446 That's still an enduring mystery of this case. 480 00:24:02,529 --> 00:24:04,364 Imposters like Christian, 481 00:24:04,490 --> 00:24:05,824 who are willing to lie-- 482 00:24:05,866 --> 00:24:09,995 or even kill-- for the sake of protecting an illusion, 483 00:24:10,078 --> 00:24:12,164 would certainly seem to be troubled, 484 00:24:12,247 --> 00:24:14,416 misguided individuals. 485 00:24:14,500 --> 00:24:18,003 But if that's true, then why do so many of us 486 00:24:18,045 --> 00:24:20,255 fall for their deceptions? 487 00:24:21,423 --> 00:24:23,300 Part of the magic story 488 00:24:23,383 --> 00:24:25,803 is using a name like Rockefeller. 489 00:24:25,886 --> 00:24:28,847 It has a mana, a glitter to it. 490 00:24:28,931 --> 00:24:30,474 It draws people. 491 00:24:30,557 --> 00:24:33,393 And there is an element of collusion. 492 00:24:33,519 --> 00:24:35,896 So the inability to catch the warning signs 493 00:24:36,021 --> 00:24:39,900 has to do with the intentional blindness of the victim. 494 00:24:39,983 --> 00:24:43,445 They want something, and they want this story to be true, 495 00:24:43,529 --> 00:24:46,198 so they're participating. 496 00:24:46,281 --> 00:24:48,367 That's really the secret to a con. 497 00:24:48,450 --> 00:24:50,661 It's not about manufacturing a whole fake reality. 498 00:24:50,702 --> 00:24:52,287 Instead, it's finding the story 499 00:24:52,371 --> 00:24:54,206 that people are telling themselves 500 00:24:54,289 --> 00:24:55,666 and just elaborating on it. 501 00:24:55,749 --> 00:24:57,584 They're able to compartmentalize this reality, 502 00:24:57,709 --> 00:25:00,003 because they're not worried about somebody else. 503 00:25:00,087 --> 00:25:01,880 These, together, present opportunity 504 00:25:01,964 --> 00:25:03,841 for somebody to be very evil. 505 00:25:05,175 --> 00:25:08,428 Today, instead of going by the name Clark Rockefeller, 506 00:25:08,512 --> 00:25:12,975 Christian is known as inmate number AR3108 507 00:25:13,016 --> 00:25:15,686 at San Quentin State Prison. 508 00:25:15,811 --> 00:25:18,856 Hopefully, his days of adopting false identities 509 00:25:18,939 --> 00:25:20,899 have been ended forever. 510 00:25:21,024 --> 00:25:23,819 Unlike another imposter, 511 00:25:23,861 --> 00:25:26,905 whose assumption of a new identity was so credible 512 00:25:26,989 --> 00:25:28,657 and so enduring 513 00:25:28,699 --> 00:25:32,160 that many remain convinced that her deception was true, 514 00:25:32,202 --> 00:25:35,706 even decades after her death. 515 00:25:40,878 --> 00:25:45,382 In the case of impostors who have a damaged past, 516 00:25:45,465 --> 00:25:48,427 does the assumption of a new identity help them 517 00:25:48,510 --> 00:25:51,305 to recover the details of a forgotten life? 518 00:25:52,890 --> 00:25:56,518 Perhaps the answer can be found by examining the case of a woman 519 00:25:56,602 --> 00:25:59,688 who many called an imposter, 520 00:25:59,771 --> 00:26:02,900 but who, until the day she died, 521 00:26:02,983 --> 00:26:05,027 insisted she was really 522 00:26:05,110 --> 00:26:08,989 a long-lost Russian princess: 523 00:26:09,031 --> 00:26:13,493 the Grand Duchess, Anastasia. 524 00:26:20,542 --> 00:26:23,378 In the aftermath of the Bolshevik Revolution, 525 00:26:23,503 --> 00:26:26,590 the exiled emperor, Tsar Nicholas II, 526 00:26:26,673 --> 00:26:29,843 his wife Alexandra, and their five children 527 00:26:29,927 --> 00:26:33,472 are awakened in the night by their captors. 528 00:26:33,555 --> 00:26:36,016 Frightened and confused, 529 00:26:36,141 --> 00:26:39,186 they are herded along with four of their loyal servants 530 00:26:39,269 --> 00:26:42,814 into the basement of the Ipatiev House. 531 00:26:42,856 --> 00:26:45,651 There, while waiting for further instructions, 532 00:26:45,776 --> 00:26:48,236 a group of Soviet secret police 533 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,615 enter and raise their pistols. 534 00:26:51,698 --> 00:26:55,243 The last thing the confused family hears. 535 00:26:55,327 --> 00:26:57,162 Is the sound of gunfire. 536 00:27:01,833 --> 00:27:04,962 After the execution, the bodies of the Romanov family 537 00:27:05,045 --> 00:27:08,507 were burned and then buried in a mass grave. 538 00:27:11,843 --> 00:27:15,472 But in the wake of the killing, rumors emerged 539 00:27:15,555 --> 00:27:18,642 that the youngest daughter, Anastasia, 540 00:27:18,684 --> 00:27:21,728 had survived the slaughter. 541 00:27:24,272 --> 00:27:28,819 I think the idea that An-Anastasia might have escaped, 542 00:27:28,860 --> 00:27:33,657 it seems to be because of the chaos and the time it took 543 00:27:33,699 --> 00:27:38,453 for the true events that night to come out. 544 00:27:38,537 --> 00:27:40,664 It was said that the gunmen were drunk, 545 00:27:40,747 --> 00:27:44,668 and the cellar was full of smoke. 546 00:27:45,544 --> 00:27:47,754 The story, such as it is, 547 00:27:47,879 --> 00:27:50,424 is that she somehow survived the shooting 548 00:27:50,507 --> 00:27:52,884 and that one of the Bolshevik guards 549 00:27:52,968 --> 00:27:54,428 noticed she was alive 550 00:27:54,511 --> 00:27:57,514 and had this residual sympathy for the royal family, 551 00:27:57,597 --> 00:27:59,516 and sneaked her out of the death house 552 00:27:59,599 --> 00:28:01,685 and put her on a horse cart 553 00:28:01,768 --> 00:28:04,104 and rode her to Romania. 554 00:28:17,868 --> 00:28:20,203 The limp body of a young woman 555 00:28:20,287 --> 00:28:22,080 is pulled from a canal 556 00:28:22,164 --> 00:28:24,750 after a failed suicide attempt. 557 00:28:24,833 --> 00:28:29,504 Suffering from traumatic amnesia and severe depression, 558 00:28:29,546 --> 00:28:32,090 she is admitted into a mental hospital. 559 00:28:32,174 --> 00:28:36,303 The doctors, unable to verify the woman's identity, 560 00:28:36,344 --> 00:28:39,222 refer to her as Fraulein Unbekannt: 561 00:28:39,306 --> 00:28:42,017 Miss Unknown. 562 00:28:42,100 --> 00:28:44,603 She became known as Miss Unknown, 563 00:28:44,686 --> 00:28:46,480 which lasted for months. 564 00:28:46,563 --> 00:28:49,733 And she was ripe for having an identity 565 00:28:49,816 --> 00:28:51,276 sort of thrust on her. 566 00:28:52,694 --> 00:28:55,322 Most likely, she has a primary diagnosis 567 00:28:55,405 --> 00:28:57,491 of post-traumatic stress disorder. 568 00:28:57,532 --> 00:28:59,993 Therefore, we have some deficits 569 00:29:00,035 --> 00:29:01,578 in cognition, 570 00:29:01,703 --> 00:29:03,997 we have some bizarre emotionality, 571 00:29:04,081 --> 00:29:06,917 and we have someone who's in a state 572 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:11,963 of confusion, which comes and goes in different gradations. 573 00:29:13,340 --> 00:29:15,217 Over the course of about a year or so, 574 00:29:15,342 --> 00:29:18,303 another patient sort of notices she looks a bit like 575 00:29:18,345 --> 00:29:21,765 one of the Romanov daughters, and so these rumors emerge 576 00:29:21,848 --> 00:29:24,518 that she's connected to the royal family. 577 00:29:25,894 --> 00:29:29,147 Once they've latched on to some evidence 578 00:29:29,272 --> 00:29:31,483 that she might be Anastasia, 579 00:29:31,566 --> 00:29:35,320 it's all sort of a case of confirmation bias. 580 00:29:35,362 --> 00:29:37,322 Everybody looks for the things. 581 00:29:37,405 --> 00:29:39,116 And I think, in a general way, 582 00:29:39,199 --> 00:29:42,536 people wanted hope out of a terrible tragedy. 583 00:29:42,619 --> 00:29:44,538 It's a human instinct. 584 00:29:44,621 --> 00:29:47,999 And the survival of Anastasia represented hope. 585 00:29:48,083 --> 00:29:50,293 In 1922, 586 00:29:50,377 --> 00:29:51,670 the mysterious woman, 587 00:29:51,753 --> 00:29:54,422 who had also gone by the name Anna Anderson, 588 00:29:54,506 --> 00:29:56,049 was released from the hospital 589 00:29:56,133 --> 00:29:59,594 and soon began calling herself Anastasia. 590 00:29:59,678 --> 00:30:02,597 And it wasn't long before her haunting story 591 00:30:02,681 --> 00:30:04,724 made worldwide headlines, 592 00:30:04,850 --> 00:30:06,810 prompting many to ask, 593 00:30:06,852 --> 00:30:10,188 "Was the woman in Berlin an imposter 594 00:30:10,313 --> 00:30:12,732 or the Russian grand duchess?" 595 00:30:14,067 --> 00:30:17,154 She went viral, in a sense, at that time, 596 00:30:17,195 --> 00:30:21,825 because the world was hungry for that kind of scandal. 597 00:30:21,908 --> 00:30:24,828 Because she wasn't out there 598 00:30:24,870 --> 00:30:28,874 energetically trying to perpetrate frauds 599 00:30:28,999 --> 00:30:30,625 under the guise of being this person. 600 00:30:30,709 --> 00:30:33,128 In a sense, she was just put into a role. 601 00:30:35,213 --> 00:30:37,132 She was somebody who was desperately 602 00:30:37,215 --> 00:30:38,592 searching for a reality, 603 00:30:38,675 --> 00:30:41,887 and she danced through multiple realities. 604 00:30:42,012 --> 00:30:44,639 The question of whether she was intentionally impersonating 605 00:30:44,723 --> 00:30:47,309 someone else or whether that was the truth 606 00:30:47,350 --> 00:30:50,145 is still left up to history. 607 00:30:52,022 --> 00:30:55,108 There were quite a few Anastasia imposters, 608 00:30:55,192 --> 00:30:58,653 but she benefitted from having this sort of definite transition 609 00:30:58,695 --> 00:31:01,323 where she was pulled from the canal. 610 00:31:01,364 --> 00:31:06,328 And the reason for her success was because she was supported 611 00:31:06,411 --> 00:31:09,164 by members of the Romanov family. 612 00:31:09,247 --> 00:31:13,418 Unfortunately, she was also not supported by a lot of them. 613 00:31:13,543 --> 00:31:15,545 She had supporters and detractors. 614 00:31:15,629 --> 00:31:17,631 But I think once you have a grand duke 615 00:31:17,714 --> 00:31:19,507 or a prince on your side, 616 00:31:19,633 --> 00:31:21,760 then people will flock around. 617 00:31:21,843 --> 00:31:25,347 There's these rumors that the Romanovs banked 618 00:31:25,472 --> 00:31:28,808 outside of Russia, that they had millions of rubles 619 00:31:28,850 --> 00:31:31,269 in a British bank and all this. 620 00:31:31,353 --> 00:31:33,396 So the real Anastasia 621 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,190 could be in for a fortune. 622 00:31:35,273 --> 00:31:38,944 So for a period of time was really living it up. 623 00:31:39,027 --> 00:31:43,073 She, at one point, was staying with European royals. 624 00:31:43,156 --> 00:31:45,951 Two of her big supporters 625 00:31:46,034 --> 00:31:47,661 in Germany were aristocrats, 626 00:31:47,786 --> 00:31:50,705 who supported Anastasia, believed in her cause, 627 00:31:50,830 --> 00:31:52,666 even though she was very difficult to handle. 628 00:31:52,749 --> 00:31:55,585 But these people were so sure 629 00:31:55,710 --> 00:31:58,213 that she was Anastasia, they put up with a lot. 630 00:31:59,631 --> 00:32:00,911 Given that she possessed 631 00:32:00,966 --> 00:32:03,510 what was thought to be a Russian accent, 632 00:32:03,593 --> 00:32:05,553 had scarring across much of her body, 633 00:32:05,637 --> 00:32:08,640 which seemed consistent with bayonet wounds, 634 00:32:08,682 --> 00:32:10,850 and cornflower-blue eyes, 635 00:32:10,976 --> 00:32:14,354 which matched those of the missing Grand Duchess, 636 00:32:14,437 --> 00:32:16,731 there was enough compelling evidence to suggest 637 00:32:16,856 --> 00:32:19,609 that the young woman pulled from the German canal 638 00:32:19,693 --> 00:32:22,112 might really be Anastasia. 639 00:32:22,195 --> 00:32:25,156 But given the nature of the tsar's family's 640 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:26,616 bloody execution, 641 00:32:26,700 --> 00:32:29,202 how could anyone survive? 642 00:32:41,047 --> 00:32:44,592 The young woman claiming to be the Grand Duchess, Anastasia 643 00:32:44,676 --> 00:32:46,970 has taken up residence at Castle Seeon 644 00:32:47,095 --> 00:32:49,806 as a guest of Duke George of Leuchtenberg, 645 00:32:49,889 --> 00:32:52,851 a distant relative of Tsar Nicholas II. 646 00:32:52,976 --> 00:32:54,978 But the aristocrats and European royalty, 647 00:32:55,103 --> 00:32:58,273 who had been hosting the strangely eccentric woman 648 00:32:58,356 --> 00:33:01,109 are beginning to suspect that there is no way 649 00:33:01,192 --> 00:33:04,404 she could actually be the long-lost Russian princess. 650 00:33:04,529 --> 00:33:08,325 Especially after it is reported that Anna Anderson 651 00:33:08,450 --> 00:33:11,995 actually had yet another name. 652 00:33:12,078 --> 00:33:14,831 What happened was in 1927, 653 00:33:14,914 --> 00:33:16,791 a detective looked into her background, 654 00:33:16,875 --> 00:33:20,170 and the detective says, "This is not Anastasia." 655 00:33:20,211 --> 00:33:24,132 This is a Polish peasant girl named Franziska. 656 00:33:24,215 --> 00:33:27,052 And Franziska moved from Poland to Berlin 657 00:33:27,135 --> 00:33:30,638 during the first World War and suffered a severe head injury 658 00:33:30,722 --> 00:33:32,474 while working in a munitions plant. 659 00:33:32,515 --> 00:33:37,145 There was an explosion, so she had brain damage, 660 00:33:37,228 --> 00:33:40,023 went into mental homes after that, 661 00:33:40,106 --> 00:33:43,234 and then all of a sudden jumps into a canal in 1920. 662 00:33:43,318 --> 00:33:46,154 And this triggers this decades-long argument. 663 00:33:46,237 --> 00:33:48,740 You know, is this really Franziska 664 00:33:48,823 --> 00:33:51,159 or is this Anastasia? 665 00:33:51,201 --> 00:33:54,329 In 1938, as the controversy 666 00:33:54,371 --> 00:33:58,291 regarding Anna Anderson's identity reached a fever pitch, 667 00:33:58,375 --> 00:34:01,169 the woman who had by now firmly convinced herself 668 00:34:01,211 --> 00:34:03,922 that she was the real Anastasia 669 00:34:04,005 --> 00:34:06,633 petitioned a German court to try her case 670 00:34:06,674 --> 00:34:08,927 and restore her birthright. 671 00:34:09,010 --> 00:34:12,305 It marked the beginning of the longest-running lawsuit 672 00:34:12,389 --> 00:34:13,640 in German history. 673 00:34:13,723 --> 00:34:16,768 For decades, evidence was presented 674 00:34:16,851 --> 00:34:19,270 both for and against Anna's claim, 675 00:34:19,354 --> 00:34:22,565 including comparisons of handwriting samples 676 00:34:22,649 --> 00:34:28,154 and photographic comparisons of Anna and Anastasia's ears. 677 00:34:28,196 --> 00:34:32,075 Officially, Anna's court case ended in 1970, 678 00:34:32,158 --> 00:34:35,495 with neither side able to conclusively establish 679 00:34:35,578 --> 00:34:37,997 the would-be monarch's identity. 680 00:34:38,039 --> 00:34:41,251 But that was by no means the end of the story. 681 00:34:41,334 --> 00:34:45,630 In 1991, seven years after Anna's death, 682 00:34:45,713 --> 00:34:48,967 the mangled remains of the Romanov family were found 683 00:34:49,008 --> 00:34:51,678 buried in a mass grave just a short distance 684 00:34:51,803 --> 00:34:53,471 from where they were executed. 685 00:34:56,099 --> 00:34:59,144 And the investigators were shocked to find 686 00:34:59,227 --> 00:35:02,814 that the remains of the tsar's son Alexei 687 00:35:02,856 --> 00:35:05,358 and one of the Romanov's four daughters 688 00:35:05,442 --> 00:35:08,236 were missing. 689 00:35:08,361 --> 00:35:10,405 In 1978, 690 00:35:10,530 --> 00:35:12,407 one of the killers of the Romanov family 691 00:35:12,490 --> 00:35:15,326 made a confession, and as a result of that, 692 00:35:15,410 --> 00:35:18,163 bodies were found under some railway sidings. 693 00:35:18,204 --> 00:35:21,416 The guy who found the remains 694 00:35:21,541 --> 00:35:24,002 kept this a secret, though, for two decades 695 00:35:24,085 --> 00:35:25,753 because the communists were still in power 696 00:35:25,837 --> 00:35:29,174 and he kind of sensed this might be a bad idea to tell everybody. 697 00:35:29,257 --> 00:35:32,302 This was in the '90s and Anastasia, 698 00:35:32,385 --> 00:35:35,138 Anna Anderson, had already died, unfortunately. 699 00:35:35,180 --> 00:35:38,183 But it was discovered that two of the bodies were missing. 700 00:35:39,851 --> 00:35:42,145 Two of the bodies missing? 701 00:35:42,270 --> 00:35:45,899 Could it be that Anna Anderson was not an impostor 702 00:35:46,024 --> 00:35:48,902 after all, but the real Anastasia? 703 00:35:49,027 --> 00:35:51,196 When the news came through 704 00:35:51,279 --> 00:35:54,407 that two bodies were missing, everybody was rather excited 705 00:35:54,491 --> 00:35:58,536 and thought, "Well, this proves that Ana-Anastasia lived." 706 00:35:58,620 --> 00:36:02,916 However, the bodies were then tested for DNA. 707 00:36:02,999 --> 00:36:06,503 They compared samples of Anna 708 00:36:06,586 --> 00:36:09,797 and find that she doesn't match the Romanovs at all. 709 00:36:09,881 --> 00:36:12,175 But there is a match between 710 00:36:12,300 --> 00:36:15,220 Anna and her relatives of Franziska. 711 00:36:15,345 --> 00:36:20,016 Later on, a second plot of bodies was found, 712 00:36:20,099 --> 00:36:23,686 and the body of Anastasia is 713 00:36:23,770 --> 00:36:25,480 actually found and DNA-tested. 714 00:36:25,563 --> 00:36:28,316 For a second time, DNA testing is brought in 715 00:36:28,399 --> 00:36:30,944 and said, "No, no, no, Anastasia was buried 716 00:36:31,027 --> 00:36:32,654 along with the rest of her family." 717 00:36:32,779 --> 00:36:35,740 And Franziska was totally deluded. 718 00:36:35,823 --> 00:36:40,161 But even today, there's people who insist that the DNA tests 719 00:36:40,245 --> 00:36:42,830 were all fake and that this really was Anastasia, 720 00:36:42,914 --> 00:36:45,333 and someone really did survive 721 00:36:45,375 --> 00:36:47,585 this brutal slaughter of the royal family. 722 00:36:48,878 --> 00:36:50,964 Strangely, Anna Anderson did 723 00:36:51,047 --> 00:36:52,799 become something larger than life. 724 00:36:52,882 --> 00:36:54,509 She became a legend. 725 00:36:54,592 --> 00:36:57,804 There have been many books. 726 00:36:57,845 --> 00:36:59,847 There have been movies, a musical. 727 00:36:59,931 --> 00:37:01,975 We still love the story, 728 00:37:02,058 --> 00:37:05,270 and when it is retold in the fictionalized versions, 729 00:37:05,353 --> 00:37:08,231 she is always really the princess. 730 00:37:08,314 --> 00:37:12,610 She was just a puppet of forces 731 00:37:12,694 --> 00:37:14,445 that were beyond her. 732 00:37:14,529 --> 00:37:16,656 And she was clearly quite malleable 733 00:37:16,739 --> 00:37:19,951 and was willing to become 734 00:37:20,034 --> 00:37:22,537 the persona that had been assigned to her. 735 00:37:22,620 --> 00:37:25,206 Her capacity to be 736 00:37:25,290 --> 00:37:29,002 delusional clearly played a part in the formation 737 00:37:29,127 --> 00:37:32,297 of this false identity, 738 00:37:32,380 --> 00:37:37,135 which she seemed to live as if it were actual. 739 00:37:39,345 --> 00:37:41,806 Whether Anna Anderson truly believed 740 00:37:41,889 --> 00:37:47,020 or simply wanted to believe that she was Anastasia Romanov, 741 00:37:47,103 --> 00:37:50,148 she never wavered from her claim 742 00:37:50,189 --> 00:37:52,734 even until the day she died. 743 00:37:52,817 --> 00:37:55,570 But what drives someone 744 00:37:55,653 --> 00:37:58,406 to stick to their story, no matter what? 745 00:37:58,489 --> 00:38:01,242 For some, as it turns out, it is not merely 746 00:38:01,326 --> 00:38:04,162 a choice, a con or a delusion. 747 00:38:04,287 --> 00:38:12,287 Some people are simply born to be someone else. 748 00:38:14,380 --> 00:38:17,884 Jazz musician and band leaderpr 749 00:38:17,967 --> 00:38:22,847 during the 1940s and 50s, dies at the age of 74 in his home. 750 00:38:22,930 --> 00:38:27,143 But when the paramedics arrive, they make a shocking discovery. 751 00:38:27,226 --> 00:38:30,563 Billy Tipton was, in fact... 752 00:38:30,647 --> 00:38:32,148 a woman. 753 00:38:32,231 --> 00:38:35,318 Here's someone who was gifted, a great pianist, 754 00:38:35,401 --> 00:38:40,907 a great saxophone player, someone who had dramatic talent. 755 00:38:40,990 --> 00:38:44,160 But every time Dorothy Lucille Tipton 756 00:38:44,243 --> 00:38:46,746 went for a musical audition, 757 00:38:46,829 --> 00:38:50,124 she was turned down regardless of obvious talent. 758 00:38:50,208 --> 00:38:53,378 One day here she is, Dorothy Lucille Tipton 759 00:38:53,461 --> 00:38:55,505 changes her name to Billy Tipton, 760 00:38:55,588 --> 00:38:59,425 cuts her hair short, puts on a suit, goes in, gets the job. 761 00:38:59,509 --> 00:39:01,969 She's got the chops, she's got the talent, 762 00:39:02,053 --> 00:39:03,638 and now she has the work. 763 00:39:03,763 --> 00:39:05,640 And she has a successful career, 764 00:39:05,723 --> 00:39:08,851 decades as a successful jazz pianist. 765 00:39:10,687 --> 00:39:13,356 The Billy Tipton Trio were quite popular. 766 00:39:13,439 --> 00:39:14,982 They played all over the place. 767 00:39:15,024 --> 00:39:17,151 And by all accounts, 768 00:39:17,193 --> 00:39:19,987 they were a well-regarded jazz trio 769 00:39:20,071 --> 00:39:22,657 back in this era, in the '50s, '60s. 770 00:39:22,782 --> 00:39:26,953 Billy Tipton was looking to do something 771 00:39:27,036 --> 00:39:31,040 that was critically important to her life-- to make music 772 00:39:31,165 --> 00:39:33,876 and to be accepted into a society 773 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,254 that would not have her as herself. 774 00:39:36,379 --> 00:39:39,465 She wasn't gonna let something like gender 775 00:39:39,507 --> 00:39:42,552 or prejudice get in her way. 776 00:39:44,929 --> 00:39:49,392 Eventually, Billy became so committed to living as a man 777 00:39:49,475 --> 00:39:52,270 that even his wives, of which he had five 778 00:39:52,353 --> 00:39:53,688 over the course of his life, 779 00:39:53,771 --> 00:39:56,899 claimed to never know the truth about Billy. 780 00:39:57,859 --> 00:40:00,945 The 30s, 40s, 50s were much primmer than today. 781 00:40:01,028 --> 00:40:04,031 Husbands and wives typically didn't parade around naked 782 00:40:04,115 --> 00:40:05,450 in front of each other. 783 00:40:05,533 --> 00:40:09,162 This individual said, 784 00:40:09,203 --> 00:40:11,414 "I have a certain kind of problem 785 00:40:11,497 --> 00:40:13,541 "where I can't have sex. 786 00:40:13,624 --> 00:40:15,752 "It comes from a childhood injury, 787 00:40:15,835 --> 00:40:17,378 "too difficult to explain. 788 00:40:17,462 --> 00:40:21,215 "But I can be a wonderful husband. 789 00:40:21,299 --> 00:40:23,468 I can be a wonderful father." 790 00:40:23,551 --> 00:40:26,137 And, therefore, he was able to carry out 791 00:40:26,262 --> 00:40:29,599 this facade as Billy Tipton. 792 00:40:29,682 --> 00:40:32,894 There are people in certain societies 793 00:40:32,977 --> 00:40:35,313 all over the world who, 794 00:40:35,354 --> 00:40:38,441 by virtue of the prejudice of the society 795 00:40:38,524 --> 00:40:40,026 or the community in which they live, 796 00:40:40,109 --> 00:40:43,154 cannot allow themselves to be themselves, 797 00:40:43,237 --> 00:40:45,323 which seems like a real perversity 798 00:40:45,448 --> 00:40:48,367 that the only way they could be real is to be fake. 799 00:40:48,493 --> 00:40:50,536 Because you are living the secret, 800 00:40:50,620 --> 00:40:52,205 not just living with a secret. 801 00:40:52,288 --> 00:40:55,333 We have many characters within ourselves. 802 00:40:55,458 --> 00:40:57,251 We're not consistent. 803 00:40:57,376 --> 00:40:59,629 We have a business self, we have a social self, 804 00:40:59,712 --> 00:41:01,732 we have a parental self, we have a good-citizen self. 805 00:41:01,756 --> 00:41:05,885 And this brings up some issues about reality. 806 00:41:05,968 --> 00:41:08,721 An old thief once told me that you have to die with a lie. 807 00:41:08,805 --> 00:41:10,640 If somebody finds out that you're a fraud, 808 00:41:10,681 --> 00:41:13,017 they'll think you're a fraud from that point forward. 809 00:41:13,100 --> 00:41:16,813 Billy Tipton died with that lie, but for him, that wasn't a lie. 810 00:41:16,854 --> 00:41:18,648 That was his truth. 811 00:41:20,358 --> 00:41:24,821 For Billy Tipton, living as a man was more than a role. 812 00:41:24,862 --> 00:41:27,365 It was his life. 813 00:41:27,448 --> 00:41:30,117 But when a person commits themselves 814 00:41:30,201 --> 00:41:32,370 to an impersonation so thoroughly, 815 00:41:32,453 --> 00:41:34,956 which part of them is more real? 816 00:41:35,039 --> 00:41:36,999 Who they were? 817 00:41:37,083 --> 00:41:40,711 Or who they've chosen to become? 818 00:41:42,046 --> 00:41:45,925 Perhaps they exist to remind us that who we are 819 00:41:46,008 --> 00:41:48,594 and who we think we are are not always the same. 820 00:41:48,678 --> 00:41:51,973 And that our own carefully constructed facades 821 00:41:52,098 --> 00:41:54,100 could shatter at any moment, 822 00:41:54,183 --> 00:41:57,478 exposing the parts of ourselves we would prefer to keep hidden 823 00:41:57,562 --> 00:42:00,481 and, um... unexplained. 64790

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