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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,092 --> 00:00:03,686 We've all heard the stories. 2 00:00:04,912 --> 00:00:07,047 The spoilt couple, 3 00:00:07,072 --> 00:00:09,327 the tantrums, 4 00:00:09,352 --> 00:00:11,606 the split. 5 00:00:11,631 --> 00:00:15,167 But there are two sides to every story. 6 00:00:15,192 --> 00:00:17,686 It's an opportunity for us to understand 7 00:00:17,711 --> 00:00:20,726 why they did step down as senior royals 8 00:00:20,751 --> 00:00:25,447 and for us to understand what it is that they're searching for in life. 9 00:00:25,472 --> 00:00:28,657 When you have that level of independence, my goodness, 10 00:00:28,682 --> 00:00:30,367 you can do anything. 11 00:00:30,392 --> 00:00:34,197 Tonight, we hear Meghan and Harry's side. 12 00:00:37,682 --> 00:00:41,117 This book has potential to have huge ramifications 13 00:00:41,142 --> 00:00:43,447 for their relationship with the other royals. 14 00:00:43,472 --> 00:00:45,917 What caused the rifts? 15 00:00:45,942 --> 00:00:48,407 We're brothers, we'll always be brothers. 16 00:00:48,432 --> 00:00:51,087 We're certainly on different paths at the moment. 17 00:00:56,272 --> 00:00:58,767 And who is to blame? 18 00:00:58,792 --> 00:01:01,527 They felt it was a slight. They felt put out. 19 00:01:01,552 --> 00:01:05,806 No-one in the royal family likes being taken by surprise. 20 00:01:06,942 --> 00:01:10,017 Was Harry really as unhappy as is claimed? 21 00:01:10,042 --> 00:01:12,686 Were Meghan and Kate really at war? 22 00:01:12,711 --> 00:01:16,327 Or did the couple simply demand too much? 23 00:01:16,352 --> 00:01:20,327 Kate and Meghan are not obligated to be best friends. 24 00:01:26,521 --> 00:01:33,686 Meghan Markle made serious judgment calls and made considerable errors. 25 00:01:33,711 --> 00:01:38,197 Can the couple ever repair relations with the rest of the royals? 26 00:01:38,222 --> 00:01:41,967 I don't see them going back into the constraining embrace 27 00:01:41,992 --> 00:01:44,967 of the royal family. I think that they will fly free. 28 00:01:44,992 --> 00:01:48,476 And how kind will history be to Meghan and Harry? 29 00:01:48,501 --> 00:01:50,837 Yes, they were breaking free of the royal family. 30 00:01:50,862 --> 00:01:54,107 Yes, they were able to embark on a new chapter of their lives, 31 00:01:54,132 --> 00:01:56,007 but it came at a huge cost. 32 00:02:01,072 --> 00:02:02,917 Meghan and Harry. 33 00:02:02,942 --> 00:02:05,117 Everything seemed like a fairy tale 34 00:02:05,142 --> 00:02:08,007 when the royal family gained a new member. 35 00:02:09,112 --> 00:02:10,726 I think we have the potential 36 00:02:10,751 --> 00:02:13,367 to be this amazing, you know, celebrity couple. 37 00:02:13,392 --> 00:02:16,476 When they first got together, it felt like a real win. 38 00:02:16,501 --> 00:02:19,047 You know, I, myself, was like, this is amazing. 39 00:02:19,072 --> 00:02:22,327 I'm loving seeing this. The Wedding's is going to be beautiful. 40 00:02:22,352 --> 00:02:26,407 And that's when the chip, chip, chip away started. 41 00:02:26,432 --> 00:02:28,967 Since then, it's been a turbulent two years 42 00:02:28,992 --> 00:02:31,657 for the Duke and Duchess of Sussex 43 00:02:31,682 --> 00:02:35,887 and, for many, they were to blame for everything that has gone wrong 44 00:02:35,912 --> 00:02:37,407 in the House of Windsor. 45 00:02:37,432 --> 00:02:38,887 But is that fair? 46 00:02:40,581 --> 00:02:43,967 I can just imagine what kind of struggle it was for them to see 47 00:02:43,992 --> 00:02:50,217 the constant lies, the constant made up fabrications to sell papers, 48 00:02:50,242 --> 00:02:53,327 and that they were the human cost. 49 00:02:53,352 --> 00:02:57,297 Now months after Megxit, we are witnessing the fightback. 50 00:02:58,782 --> 00:03:02,447 An explosive new book tells their side of the story, 51 00:03:02,472 --> 00:03:05,527 and it's causing breathless news coverage on both sides 52 00:03:05,552 --> 00:03:06,686 of the Atlantic. 53 00:03:10,831 --> 00:03:14,197 This morning, new revelations about Harry and Meghan's decision 54 00:03:14,222 --> 00:03:17,577 to step back as senior members of the royal family. 55 00:03:17,602 --> 00:03:21,447 There could be some pretty stressful conversations for the royal family 56 00:03:21,472 --> 00:03:23,837 following claims made by a new biography 57 00:03:23,862 --> 00:03:25,757 of Prince Harry and Meghan Markle. 58 00:03:27,272 --> 00:03:30,606 Finding Freedom charts the relationship of Harry and Meghan 59 00:03:30,631 --> 00:03:33,686 from their first meeting to stepping back as senior royals. 60 00:03:36,142 --> 00:03:37,887 Everyone wants to know if this book 61 00:03:37,912 --> 00:03:40,686 is Harry and Meghan setting the record straight. 62 00:03:42,192 --> 00:03:45,447 They and the authors say they weren't involved, 63 00:03:45,472 --> 00:03:48,806 but that hasn't stopped speculation. 64 00:03:48,831 --> 00:03:50,367 I think it's hard to believe 65 00:03:50,392 --> 00:03:53,967 that they didn't have more than an interest in it, certainly. 66 00:03:53,992 --> 00:03:56,806 There's certainly lines within the book, even quotes 67 00:03:56,831 --> 00:03:59,476 that have come potentially from Harry and Meghan 68 00:03:59,501 --> 00:04:01,367 and I think that a lot of people will be thinking 69 00:04:01,392 --> 00:04:05,606 that they had more of a hand in it than they have been letting on. 70 00:04:05,631 --> 00:04:08,367 A royal will always deny any involvement, 71 00:04:08,392 --> 00:04:10,606 because that's the convention. 72 00:04:10,631 --> 00:04:13,757 The convention is that you never, ever openly say 73 00:04:13,782 --> 00:04:16,586 that you have helped. But I think with Fighting Freedom 74 00:04:16,611 --> 00:04:21,806 when we when we read it, you can hear Harry and Meghan's voice. 75 00:04:21,831 --> 00:04:26,476 Finding Freedom is written by Carolyn Durand and Omid Scobie, 76 00:04:26,501 --> 00:04:28,686 two seasoned royaljournalists. 77 00:04:30,672 --> 00:04:33,686 Another author who has first-hand experience when it comes 78 00:04:33,711 --> 00:04:37,297 to setting the royal record straight is Andrew Morton. 79 00:04:37,322 --> 00:04:42,367 His book, Diana: Her True Story caused a sensation in 1992. 80 00:04:44,631 --> 00:04:47,087 He believes the objective of Finding Freedom 81 00:04:47,112 --> 00:04:49,367 is to set out Meghan's side of the story. 82 00:04:51,501 --> 00:04:55,247 This is basically trying to explain how Meghan 83 00:04:55,272 --> 00:04:59,197 approached the royal family and how she was dismayed 84 00:04:59,222 --> 00:05:01,167 by the easy criticism 85 00:05:01,192 --> 00:05:03,447 of everything that she tried to do. 86 00:05:03,472 --> 00:05:05,967 She's been frustrated by the fact 87 00:05:05,992 --> 00:05:08,476 that she's not been able to give her side of the story, 88 00:05:08,501 --> 00:05:10,686 that all kinds of stories have come out about her 89 00:05:10,711 --> 00:05:12,606 and she's not been able to answer back 90 00:05:12,631 --> 00:05:15,247 and it's something which she's found immensely frustrating. 91 00:05:15,272 --> 00:05:17,757 It's an opportunity for them both, 92 00:05:17,782 --> 00:05:22,686 and in particular, Meghan, for us to understand why they did step down 93 00:05:22,711 --> 00:05:24,367 as senior royals, 94 00:05:24,392 --> 00:05:27,527 why they've moved all the way across the pond, 95 00:05:27,552 --> 00:05:34,397 and for us to understand what it is that they're searching for in life. 96 00:05:34,422 --> 00:05:37,716 At the heart of the book is Harry and Meghan's decision 97 00:05:37,741 --> 00:05:40,587 to step down as senior royals. 98 00:05:40,612 --> 00:05:44,127 There are many reasons given, but crucially, we are told 99 00:05:44,152 --> 00:05:49,017 they were fed up being controlled by the royal institution. 100 00:05:49,042 --> 00:05:51,616 When they were told that they had to be brought 101 00:05:51,641 --> 00:05:54,486 within the confines of the Buckingham Palace machine, 102 00:05:54,511 --> 00:05:57,407 I think that's when they realised that their wings were being clipped 103 00:05:57,432 --> 00:05:59,257 and they weren't going to actually realise 104 00:05:59,282 --> 00:06:02,696 the stardom that they had set themselves up to be. 105 00:06:02,721 --> 00:06:04,397 The book claims... 106 00:06:14,922 --> 00:06:18,127 I think they were particularly worried about William and Kate 107 00:06:18,152 --> 00:06:20,486 that they might become more popular than them 108 00:06:20,511 --> 00:06:23,587 and I think they just couldn't stand the idea of that. 109 00:06:23,612 --> 00:06:27,767 They couldn't stand the idea of this young, modern couple, 110 00:06:27,792 --> 00:06:29,816 half of which is African-American, 111 00:06:29,841 --> 00:06:33,047 potentially being more popular than William and Kate, 112 00:06:33,072 --> 00:06:35,767 who were their golden couple. 113 00:07:02,322 --> 00:07:04,686 It always reminds me of a top football manager saying 114 00:07:04,711 --> 00:07:06,686 that no-one is bigger than the club. 115 00:07:06,711 --> 00:07:10,097 And I think that analogy is very, very true here, 116 00:07:10,122 --> 00:07:13,097 that they weren't bigger than the institution and certainly 117 00:07:13,122 --> 00:07:16,127 the men in grey suits that they believe were stalking the corridors, 118 00:07:16,152 --> 00:07:17,936 trying to clip their wings 119 00:07:17,961 --> 00:07:19,847 might have been an invention in their own heads 120 00:07:19,872 --> 00:07:22,936 rather than actually what was going on. 121 00:07:22,961 --> 00:07:26,767 Those men in grey suits, as Princess Diana used to call them, 122 00:07:26,792 --> 00:07:31,017 were allegedly another element pushing Meghan and Harry away. 123 00:07:32,612 --> 00:07:36,017 In the book, friends of the couple call them vipers, 124 00:07:36,042 --> 00:07:39,897 and it's claimed some of them simply didn't like Meghan 125 00:07:39,922 --> 00:07:42,616 and would stop at nothing to make her life difficult. 126 00:07:45,072 --> 00:07:48,537 One of the suggestions in the book is that the courtiers or the vipers 127 00:07:48,562 --> 00:07:50,546 as Harry and Meghan apparently referred to them 128 00:07:50,571 --> 00:07:54,216 were out to get them, that they didn't like Meghan from the outset. 129 00:07:54,241 --> 00:07:59,216 It may very well be the case that there was a courtier, maybe two, 130 00:07:59,241 --> 00:08:02,936 who had it in for Meghan, who felt that she was too different, 131 00:08:02,961 --> 00:08:06,256 too confident, too ambitious, too different from anyone 132 00:08:06,281 --> 00:08:09,186 who had married into the royal family before. 133 00:08:09,211 --> 00:08:14,006 Meghan's differences led friends to call her Duchess Different, 134 00:08:14,031 --> 00:08:18,806 a play on the often repeated claims she was known as Duchess Difficult 135 00:08:18,831 --> 00:08:20,246 inside palace walls. 136 00:08:21,470 --> 00:08:25,645 I think calling Meghan Duchess Different is... 137 00:08:25,670 --> 00:08:27,546 It is very telling. 138 00:08:27,571 --> 00:08:33,536 And it shows the gap between the old ways and the new ways. 139 00:08:33,561 --> 00:08:37,416 We can appreciate the value that both represent 140 00:08:37,441 --> 00:08:41,895 and celebrate the difference rather than try to push it down 141 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:44,536 or make it look like it's something bad. 142 00:08:47,361 --> 00:08:50,536 As Meghan and Harry's relationship with each other blossomed, 143 00:08:50,561 --> 00:08:52,286 their relationship with the palace 144 00:08:52,311 --> 00:08:55,496 and the rest of the royal family seems to have soured. 145 00:08:55,521 --> 00:08:56,775 The new book says... 146 00:09:03,961 --> 00:09:06,575 And the pair had to wait to announce projects 147 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:10,936 if other, more senior royals, had announcements of their own. 148 00:09:10,961 --> 00:09:14,536 I think she found it very difficult because actually what she thought 149 00:09:14,561 --> 00:09:18,186 she was getting was unrivalled power and she'd be able to help 150 00:09:18,211 --> 00:09:21,695 and effect this change and be this change maker, 151 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,136 which is what she wanted to be. 152 00:09:24,161 --> 00:09:27,775 And actually, she found she was living in a gilded cage. 153 00:09:29,361 --> 00:09:33,526 By Christmas of 2019, Meghan and Harry had skipped Sandringham 154 00:09:33,551 --> 00:09:36,286 to take an extended break in Canada. 155 00:09:36,311 --> 00:09:40,286 They decided something had to change. 156 00:09:40,311 --> 00:09:42,806 And was that decision reinforced when they saw 157 00:09:42,831 --> 00:09:45,536 the Queen's Christmas message? 158 00:09:45,561 --> 00:09:47,806 Well, the lack of photograph of them 159 00:09:47,831 --> 00:09:49,856 appearing for the Queen's Christmas speech 160 00:09:49,881 --> 00:09:52,256 obviously had an effect on them and the book will tell you 161 00:09:52,281 --> 00:09:54,645 in detail about how this made them feel. 162 00:09:54,670 --> 00:09:57,726 They felt it was a slight, they felt put out. 163 00:09:57,751 --> 00:09:59,936 What I think was trying to be demonstrated 164 00:09:59,961 --> 00:10:03,496 during that Christmas message was the future of the monarchy, 165 00:10:03,521 --> 00:10:06,976 the future heirs and the future sovereigns. 166 00:10:07,001 --> 00:10:09,575 Harry and Harry's son are not there. 167 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,216 They don't have that place on the table. 168 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:18,136 From the $18 million estate they were staying at on Vancouver Island, 169 00:10:18,161 --> 00:10:22,366 The Duke and Duchess of Sussex set Megxit in motion. 170 00:10:22,391 --> 00:10:26,856 E-mails were apparently sent to the Queen and Prince Charles, 171 00:10:26,881 --> 00:10:30,575 but the book claims Harry thought he was being blocked from a meeting 172 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,695 with the monarch, which led to an extraordinary plan. 173 00:10:35,311 --> 00:10:38,575 One of the most fascinating and new revelations in the book 174 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:43,176 was that when they landed in the UK from their sabbatical in Canada, 175 00:10:43,201 --> 00:10:47,366 they considered detouring straight to Sandringham to try 176 00:10:47,391 --> 00:10:50,256 and get a meeting with the Queen. 177 00:10:50,281 --> 00:10:51,496 If they had done that, 178 00:10:51,521 --> 00:10:54,926 I think the Queen would have been point shocked and surprised 179 00:10:54,951 --> 00:10:58,926 and because, frankly, that's not the way things are done 180 00:10:58,951 --> 00:11:01,645 and I think that was... That's a lot of the problem here. 181 00:11:01,670 --> 00:11:06,926 Harry and Meghan didn't want to keep doing the way things are done 182 00:11:06,951 --> 00:11:10,726 and the monarchy wasn't going to change things just for them. 183 00:11:10,751 --> 00:11:12,575 The monarchy's a supertanker. 184 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,366 It just keeps on going, ploughing its own furrow. 185 00:11:18,201 --> 00:11:22,056 Harry and Meghan wanted to become financially independent, 186 00:11:22,081 --> 00:11:25,086 split their time between the UK and North America, 187 00:11:25,111 --> 00:11:28,256 but, crucially, still carry out duties for the Queen. 188 00:11:30,201 --> 00:11:33,516 Eventually, the Queen agreed to issue a joint statement 189 00:11:33,541 --> 00:11:36,645 about her grandson's plans. 190 00:11:36,670 --> 00:11:40,575 On the 7th of January, the Duke and Duchess attended an event 191 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:43,256 at the Canadian High Commission. 192 00:11:43,281 --> 00:11:45,775 The book reveals they were feeling nervous. 193 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:47,775 They'd seen the planned statement 194 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,006 and thought it showed a lack of warmth. 195 00:11:52,311 --> 00:11:55,056 It's meant a lot to us and it's just important for us 196 00:11:55,081 --> 00:11:57,336 to start the year here and say thank you. 197 00:11:57,361 --> 00:11:59,645 More concerning to them than that, 198 00:11:59,670 --> 00:12:03,536 reporters got wind of the plan to stay in Canada. 199 00:12:03,561 --> 00:12:07,775 A day later, the Sussexes made their shock lnstagram announcement, 200 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,496 a move that's been endlessly criticised, 201 00:12:10,521 --> 00:12:15,006 but it seems in their minds they felt they simply had no choice. 202 00:12:16,670 --> 00:12:20,176 It was very sad, really, that a couple who offered so much 203 00:12:20,201 --> 00:12:24,136 to the monarchy and to the nation had decided to go their own way. 204 00:12:47,881 --> 00:12:50,645 As well as their announcement, Meghan and Harry 205 00:12:50,670 --> 00:12:54,695 simultaneously launched their Sussex Royal website. 206 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:58,006 It's since been claimed this and making an announcement 207 00:12:58,031 --> 00:12:59,645 without discussing it first 208 00:12:59,670 --> 00:13:02,815 left the Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh devastated. 209 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:31,645 Crisis talks were needed 210 00:13:31,670 --> 00:13:36,695 and on the 13th of January, Harry met the Queen, Charles and William 211 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,726 at the famous Sandringham summit. 212 00:13:39,751 --> 00:13:42,106 Yes, they were breaking free of the royal family. 213 00:13:42,131 --> 00:13:45,216 Yes, they were able to embark on a new chapter of their lives, 214 00:13:45,241 --> 00:13:47,695 but it came at a huge cost. 215 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,136 Especially for Harry. 216 00:13:50,161 --> 00:13:53,006 He had to give up his military roles. 217 00:13:53,031 --> 00:13:57,176 Finding Freedom gives an insight into Meghan's feelings. 218 00:14:11,281 --> 00:14:14,006 Harry has had to give up everything. 219 00:14:14,031 --> 00:14:17,976 He's giving up his family, his home, his country, 220 00:14:18,001 --> 00:14:20,176 everything he's ever known, and those military titles, 221 00:14:20,201 --> 00:14:23,206 which... And Meghan's right, they meant so much to him. 222 00:14:25,201 --> 00:14:27,726 And what about what Meghan has had to give up? 223 00:14:27,751 --> 00:14:30,976 Finding Freedom claims Meghan told a friend... 224 00:14:38,311 --> 00:14:44,256 Even so, it's said courtiers and some family blame Meghan for Megxit. 225 00:14:44,281 --> 00:14:47,645 This girl who fell in love with a boy 226 00:14:47,670 --> 00:14:50,456 who happened to be part of the royal family 227 00:14:50,481 --> 00:14:56,006 And she gave up her whole career to move over here to, of course, 228 00:14:56,031 --> 00:14:59,136 follow tradition and ritual marrying into the royal family 229 00:14:59,161 --> 00:15:02,336 and she literally couldn't win. 230 00:15:02,361 --> 00:15:05,416 And she basically gave up a part of herself 231 00:15:05,441 --> 00:15:08,366 because that is what would have been expected of Meghan, 232 00:15:08,391 --> 00:15:11,775 expected of Kate, you know, the Duchess of Cambridge, 233 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:13,565 and they all did that too 234 00:15:13,590 --> 00:15:18,106 out of love for their spouses and out of respect for the institution. 235 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:26,645 These new revelations tell a story ofjust how unhappy Harry and Meghan 236 00:15:26,670 --> 00:15:31,286 were with their royal life and how they felt forced into leaving, 237 00:15:31,311 --> 00:15:34,096 but the new book also gives us a new insight 238 00:15:34,121 --> 00:15:36,336 into Harry and William's relationship. 239 00:15:46,481 --> 00:15:49,536 I would imagine if there was any conversation that William probably 240 00:15:49,561 --> 00:15:52,176 could take back, it would be that one. 241 00:16:02,730 --> 00:16:05,236 To understand why the relationship between Harry 242 00:16:05,261 --> 00:16:10,116 and his family broke down, you have to go back to the summer of 2016. 243 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:15,796 Rumours about Harry and Meghan's relationship were circulating, 244 00:16:15,821 --> 00:16:21,066 and Meghan soon had the world's press following her every move. 245 00:16:21,091 --> 00:16:23,835 By November, Harry had had enough 246 00:16:23,860 --> 00:16:26,476 and issued an extraordinary statement 247 00:16:26,501 --> 00:16:29,156 asking the press to leave his girlfriend alone. 248 00:16:36,461 --> 00:16:40,116 The statement that Prince Harry released through his private office 249 00:16:40,141 --> 00:16:45,266 in November came just after a deluge of media reports 250 00:16:45,291 --> 00:16:46,906 about their relationship. 251 00:16:46,931 --> 00:16:48,625 I mean, the statement was a bombshell, 252 00:16:48,650 --> 00:16:51,546 perhaps the first of what we were to expect from the Sussexes 253 00:16:51,571 --> 00:16:56,476 in that it was certainly the most personal statement I've ever read 254 00:16:56,501 --> 00:16:58,825 from a senior member of the royal family. 255 00:16:58,850 --> 00:17:02,186 This was also confirmation that Meghan was his girlfriend. 256 00:17:02,211 --> 00:17:06,986 Don't forget, up until that point, it was only speculation. 257 00:17:07,011 --> 00:17:11,396 It's now been claimed the statement caused tension in the family, 258 00:17:11,421 --> 00:17:15,625 not because of its content, but because of its timing. 259 00:17:15,650 --> 00:17:19,426 It immediately took attention away from Charles and Camilla. 260 00:17:19,451 --> 00:17:23,436 They were on a diplomatic tour of the Middle East. 261 00:17:38,931 --> 00:17:41,755 The royal family has strict protocols in place 262 00:17:41,780 --> 00:17:45,705 to ensure they don't overshadow each other's work, 263 00:17:45,730 --> 00:17:50,396 something Harry appeared to overlook when he attempted to protect Meghan. 264 00:17:50,421 --> 00:17:53,066 I think one of the themes that is explored in Finding Freedom 265 00:17:53,091 --> 00:17:57,036 is the jealousies of some members of the royal household 266 00:17:57,061 --> 00:17:59,596 and some courtiers of the level of attention 267 00:17:59,621 --> 00:18:01,596 that the Sussexes were getting. 268 00:18:01,621 --> 00:18:03,755 You know, there was a point when Charles and Camilla 269 00:18:03,780 --> 00:18:05,116 weren't even getting a look in. 270 00:18:05,141 --> 00:18:07,906 You know, all the tabloids wanted to run with stories 271 00:18:07,931 --> 00:18:10,596 about Meghan and Harry, and that became a problem. 272 00:18:10,621 --> 00:18:13,796 And I think there's definitely some truth in the fact that Charles 273 00:18:13,821 --> 00:18:18,986 at times has felt a bit jealous maybe of his son's public profile, 274 00:18:19,011 --> 00:18:21,755 because for a long time, William and Harry were getting really, 275 00:18:21,780 --> 00:18:23,546 really positive publicity. 276 00:18:23,571 --> 00:18:26,755 And Charles, of course, had had dreadful publicity. 277 00:18:28,571 --> 00:18:31,796 Harry's statement caused shock waves in the palace 278 00:18:31,821 --> 00:18:34,546 and allegedly upset the Prince of Wales. 279 00:18:34,571 --> 00:18:37,875 But looking back, this wasn't the first time Harry had come out 280 00:18:37,900 --> 00:18:39,705 in vocal defence of his girlfriends. 281 00:18:41,491 --> 00:18:44,755 In 2005, whilst dating Chelsy Davy, 282 00:18:44,780 --> 00:18:47,825 he gave a frank interview to mark his 21st birthday. 283 00:18:49,421 --> 00:18:51,546 I suppose that is the media in general. 284 00:18:51,571 --> 00:18:54,036 There's truth and there's lies, 285 00:18:54,061 --> 00:18:55,986 and unfortunately I can't get the truth across 286 00:18:56,011 --> 00:18:57,906 because I don't have my own column in the paper, 287 00:18:57,931 --> 00:18:59,396 which I'm thinking about getting. 288 00:18:59,421 --> 00:19:02,236 It does irritate me because obviously I get to see how upset 289 00:19:02,261 --> 00:19:05,466 she gets and I know the real her. 290 00:19:05,491 --> 00:19:08,236 I don't think Harry has changed an awful lot over the years. 291 00:19:08,261 --> 00:19:10,516 He's become far more considered 292 00:19:10,541 --> 00:19:13,705 and far more aware of what's going on in the world. 293 00:19:13,730 --> 00:19:17,156 At the same time, this hostility to the mass media, 294 00:19:17,181 --> 00:19:19,986 and to photographers and paparazzi in particular, 295 00:19:20,011 --> 00:19:21,875 hasn't change one jot. 296 00:19:21,900 --> 00:19:27,116 So he was hostile to them before and is hostile to them now, 297 00:19:27,141 --> 00:19:32,825 to the point where he has in his own mind more control over his life. 298 00:19:32,850 --> 00:19:35,036 Less than a year after the statement, 299 00:19:35,061 --> 00:19:38,705 there was another incident, this time between Harry and William. 300 00:19:40,541 --> 00:19:43,955 Finding Freedom details a conversation that supposedly 301 00:19:43,980 --> 00:19:46,676 took place just before Harry proposed to Meghan. 302 00:19:48,980 --> 00:19:50,755 William is quoted as saying... 303 00:19:58,181 --> 00:20:00,705 A source claims William didn't want his brother 304 00:20:00,730 --> 00:20:02,676 to be "blindsided by lust." 305 00:20:03,900 --> 00:20:05,625 The book goes on to say... 306 00:20:10,341 --> 00:20:14,875 I think there was a great misunderstanding in that moment. 307 00:20:14,900 --> 00:20:19,436 That was, I believe, intended from a genuinely good place, 308 00:20:19,461 --> 00:20:23,676 a place of brotherly love and just wanting Harry to be absolutely sure, 309 00:20:23,701 --> 00:20:25,955 given the speed that this relationship had moved at, 310 00:20:25,980 --> 00:20:27,546 that he wasn't rushing into things. 311 00:20:27,571 --> 00:20:30,036 Harry, who was clearly sensitive, 312 00:20:30,061 --> 00:20:34,036 and I think aware of some of the sniping 313 00:20:34,061 --> 00:20:36,705 in the corridors of power about Meghan 314 00:20:36,730 --> 00:20:39,986 just took this deeply personal and the wrong way. 315 00:20:40,011 --> 00:20:43,186 And I would imagine if there is any conversation that William probably 316 00:20:43,211 --> 00:20:46,625 could take back, it would be that one. 317 00:20:46,650 --> 00:20:48,466 I think William was just trying to say... 318 00:20:48,491 --> 00:20:50,436 Trying to look out for his younger brother. 319 00:20:50,461 --> 00:20:53,346 Now, maybe it goes to the heart of their relationship 320 00:20:53,371 --> 00:20:57,036 and Harry was frankly fed up with playing third wheel 321 00:20:57,061 --> 00:20:59,905 effectively to William, Kate and Harry. 322 00:20:59,930 --> 00:21:02,376 I mean, sometimes when the three of them did jobs together, 323 00:21:02,401 --> 00:21:05,765 I'd go would watch them and I did feel a bit sorry for Harry. 324 00:21:05,790 --> 00:21:09,246 You know, Kate and William were always first because, you know, 325 00:21:09,271 --> 00:21:11,446 in the line of succession. William's always first. 326 00:21:11,471 --> 00:21:13,916 And Harry was always slightly trailing behind. 327 00:21:15,431 --> 00:21:18,806 So did William ever really accept Meghan? 328 00:21:18,831 --> 00:21:22,326 Rumours of a rift refused to go away. 329 00:21:22,351 --> 00:21:24,526 During Christmas of 2018, 330 00:21:24,551 --> 00:21:28,785 William appeared to ignore Meghan outside church. 331 00:21:28,810 --> 00:21:31,376 The following Easter, another incident 332 00:21:31,401 --> 00:21:33,166 on the Queen's 93rd birthday. 333 00:21:35,221 --> 00:21:39,406 The footage appeared to show the brothers avoiding each other. 334 00:21:39,431 --> 00:21:41,246 Is there petty jealousy? 335 00:21:41,271 --> 00:21:44,116 Yes, because I think there is between any family. 336 00:21:44,141 --> 00:21:45,996 Show me any family in the world 337 00:21:46,021 --> 00:21:48,556 where there's not jockeying for position 338 00:21:48,581 --> 00:21:52,885 or one sibling doesn't think that sibling shouldn't have that or etc. 339 00:21:52,910 --> 00:21:55,606 That is family. That is the human condition. 340 00:21:55,631 --> 00:21:57,806 I do think this is War of the Wales' party, 341 00:21:57,831 --> 00:21:59,996 but this is also the British royal family. 342 00:22:00,021 --> 00:22:01,246 This is what they do. 343 00:22:01,271 --> 00:22:04,526 They argue, they fall out and then we make a drama out of it. 344 00:22:06,221 --> 00:22:10,446 But, for some, Harry and William's fallout is far more serious. 345 00:22:10,471 --> 00:22:14,046 This was a devastating blow to the British people, 346 00:22:14,071 --> 00:22:16,556 and indeed members of the Commonwealth, 347 00:22:16,581 --> 00:22:22,606 because they have looked to William and Harry as being the successes. 348 00:22:22,631 --> 00:22:28,166 So to see a divide between those really did tear at the very fabric 349 00:22:28,191 --> 00:22:32,356 of the British public's relationship with the royal family. 350 00:22:35,831 --> 00:22:37,246 From an early age, 351 00:22:37,271 --> 00:22:40,686 there was clearly a friendly rivalry between the brothers. 352 00:22:40,711 --> 00:22:42,116 Would you live together again? 353 00:22:42,141 --> 00:22:44,406 A nice experience, being in the same...? 354 00:22:48,301 --> 00:22:50,606 Harry told us the other week that he did all the washing up. 355 00:22:55,780 --> 00:22:57,965 Oh, the lies! The lies. 356 00:22:57,990 --> 00:23:01,166 I think the difference between William and Harry 357 00:23:01,191 --> 00:23:04,996 has a lot to do with succession in the royal family. 358 00:23:05,021 --> 00:23:08,996 William knows that, one day, he will become king. 359 00:23:09,021 --> 00:23:13,476 Harry knew that the reality of that was... 360 00:23:13,501 --> 00:23:17,885 ...very, very unlikely that he would ever sit on the throne. 361 00:23:17,910 --> 00:23:23,996 So, in many ways, he lived a life free of those shackles. 362 00:23:24,021 --> 00:23:26,965 He was the rogue and renegade prince. 363 00:23:26,990 --> 00:23:30,406 And there was nothing wrong with that in Harry's eyes. 364 00:23:30,431 --> 00:23:33,356 And, seemingly, there was nothing wrong with that 365 00:23:33,381 --> 00:23:35,556 in the House of Windsor's eyes, either, 366 00:23:35,581 --> 00:23:39,916 because it made him more relatable and it also modernised the monarchy. 367 00:23:43,551 --> 00:23:47,046 Tension between the brothers was confirmed by Harry himself 368 00:23:47,071 --> 00:23:50,276 during a bombshell interview with Tom Bradby. 369 00:23:50,301 --> 00:23:51,965 There's been a lot of talk in the press 370 00:23:51,990 --> 00:23:54,446 about rifts with your brother. How much of that is true? 371 00:23:54,471 --> 00:23:55,755 Look, we're-we're brothers. 372 00:23:55,780 --> 00:23:57,085 We'll always be brothers. 373 00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:59,246 We're certainly on different paths at the moment. 374 00:23:59,271 --> 00:24:00,606 But I will always be there for him. 375 00:24:00,631 --> 00:24:02,965 And, as I know, he'll always be there for me. 376 00:24:02,990 --> 00:24:05,526 We don't see each other as much as we used to. 377 00:24:05,551 --> 00:24:08,635 But, you know, just... As I said, as brothers, you know, 378 00:24:08,660 --> 00:24:10,526 you have good days, you have bad days. 379 00:24:32,381 --> 00:24:34,556 Not only is it alleged that William 380 00:24:34,581 --> 00:24:37,996 wasn't as accepting of Meghan as Harry would have liked, 381 00:24:38,021 --> 00:24:41,476 it's also claimed she wasn't warmly welcomed within the palace. 382 00:25:00,711 --> 00:25:03,116 It is alleged that a senior member of the royal family 383 00:25:03,141 --> 00:25:05,356 referred to Meghan as "Harry's showgirl". 384 00:25:05,381 --> 00:25:09,246 We don't know which senior member of the royal family this is. 385 00:25:09,271 --> 00:25:11,085 According to another source, 386 00:25:11,110 --> 00:25:14,635 a courtier said that "she came with a lot of baggage". 387 00:25:14,660 --> 00:25:18,356 And to a degree, you know, Meghan did come with baggage. 388 00:25:18,381 --> 00:25:22,085 She wasn't the virgin bride marrying into the royal family. 389 00:25:22,110 --> 00:25:25,916 I think it was celebrated that she was from a dual heritage - 390 00:25:25,941 --> 00:25:28,635 she had a black mother, a white father. 391 00:25:28,660 --> 00:25:30,996 There was a great excitement about the fact 392 00:25:31,021 --> 00:25:33,606 that she was akin to a Hollywood movie star - 393 00:25:33,631 --> 00:25:36,686 not A-list, but still famous in her own right. 394 00:25:36,711 --> 00:25:41,636 Meghan was a senior royal for, you know, an incredibly short time. 395 00:25:41,661 --> 00:25:45,006 And I think, if we look back at that short time, 396 00:25:45,031 --> 00:25:50,486 she was almost immediately hounded by the British tabloid press. 397 00:25:50,511 --> 00:25:53,126 And there wasn't a... There really wasn't... 398 00:25:53,151 --> 00:25:57,975 It's very hard to find a really kind article about Meghan. 399 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,126 That was rather ruthless, to be honest. 400 00:26:02,231 --> 00:26:05,926 Now, with thousands of miles separating Meghan from the palace, 401 00:26:05,951 --> 00:26:07,816 and Harry from his brother, 402 00:26:07,841 --> 00:26:11,406 it remains to be seen if Harry and William's relationship 403 00:26:11,431 --> 00:26:13,696 can ever be the same again. 404 00:26:24,201 --> 00:26:26,456 The irony about this book, in many ways, 405 00:26:26,481 --> 00:26:29,736 is that the brothers were just getting to a stage 406 00:26:29,761 --> 00:26:33,816 in their relationship where they were on a more even keel. 407 00:26:33,841 --> 00:26:37,276 I was told that communication had resumed between the brothers. 408 00:26:37,301 --> 00:26:39,645 We don't know whether they've spoken, 409 00:26:39,670 --> 00:26:42,095 in light of the excerpts from this book. 410 00:26:42,120 --> 00:26:45,015 But one can only imagine that this has done nothing 411 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:49,406 to improve relations that were strained in the beginning 412 00:26:49,431 --> 00:26:53,645 and, at this stage, must seem pretty beyond repair. 413 00:26:55,311 --> 00:26:58,765 Finding Freedom not only claims to know what happened 414 00:26:58,790 --> 00:27:01,176 behind the scenes with Harry and William, 415 00:27:01,201 --> 00:27:05,196 but sheds a light on the rumours of duchesses at war. 416 00:27:05,221 --> 00:27:06,915 I think there was a lot of excitement. 417 00:27:06,940 --> 00:27:09,566 That Kate and Meghan would have come best buddies. 418 00:27:09,591 --> 00:27:12,336 However, when you look at it, on the face of it, 419 00:27:12,361 --> 00:27:15,376 they were very, very different women from very different backgrounds. 420 00:27:15,401 --> 00:27:17,696 They were already going to have very different roles 421 00:27:17,721 --> 00:27:19,336 within the institution. 422 00:27:19,361 --> 00:27:22,536 And I think the pictures of them laughing and joking at Wimbledon 423 00:27:22,561 --> 00:27:24,816 were probably the best it was ever going to get. 424 00:27:32,385 --> 00:27:36,879 Finding Freedom is said to be Harry and Meghan's side of the story. 425 00:27:36,904 --> 00:27:40,720 It claims to provide a new perspective to all the stories, 426 00:27:40,745 --> 00:27:43,550 rumours and gossip that we think we know. 427 00:27:45,055 --> 00:27:47,390 In particular, a focus on negativity 428 00:27:47,415 --> 00:27:50,470 surrounding Meghan's relationship with Kate, 429 00:27:50,495 --> 00:27:54,240 not long after she became the Duchess of Sussex. 430 00:27:54,265 --> 00:27:58,470 After the royal wedding, you know, once that sort of crest of the wave 431 00:27:58,495 --> 00:28:00,949 of excitement and euphoria had subsided, 432 00:28:00,974 --> 00:28:03,310 there was a slow drip of reports 433 00:28:03,335 --> 00:28:06,360 that began to show Meghan in a different light. 434 00:28:08,904 --> 00:28:13,420 After her wedding, Meghan was faced with a number of negative headlines. 435 00:28:14,625 --> 00:28:18,440 One in particular seems to have angered the Sussexes. 436 00:28:18,465 --> 00:28:21,440 It was reported that Meghan had made Kate cry 437 00:28:21,465 --> 00:28:23,720 during a bridesmaid fitting. 438 00:28:23,745 --> 00:28:26,030 Finding Freedom details the incident. 439 00:28:42,055 --> 00:28:46,130 I also think that proves that, yeah, that story was put out 440 00:28:46,155 --> 00:28:50,079 by anti-Meghan people, by people who wanted to vilify Meghan 441 00:28:50,104 --> 00:28:52,079 and it actually unpicks that. 442 00:28:52,104 --> 00:28:56,360 And it also proves that we know that there's people actively out there, 443 00:28:56,385 --> 00:28:58,800 working to make Meghan look bad. 444 00:28:58,825 --> 00:29:00,999 There are always two sides to every story. 445 00:29:01,024 --> 00:29:04,170 But, you know, Kate either cried at that dress fitting or she didn't. 446 00:29:04,195 --> 00:29:06,030 And there are only a couple of people 447 00:29:06,055 --> 00:29:08,110 who know if that actually happened. 448 00:29:08,135 --> 00:29:10,390 It's interesting that that is one of the stories 449 00:29:10,415 --> 00:29:12,190 that is contested in Finding Freedom. 450 00:29:12,215 --> 00:29:15,829 What Finding Freedom doesn't do is actually explain what did happen. 451 00:29:17,024 --> 00:29:19,999 Whatever the truth, Meghan and Kate's relationship 452 00:29:20,024 --> 00:29:23,160 soon became a favourite topic for the tabloids. 453 00:29:50,185 --> 00:29:51,949 I think there was a lot of excitement 454 00:29:51,974 --> 00:29:54,590 that's Kate and Meghan would have become best buddies. 455 00:29:54,615 --> 00:29:57,110 However, when you look at it, on the face of it, 456 00:29:57,135 --> 00:30:00,360 they were very, very different women from very different backgrounds. 457 00:30:00,385 --> 00:30:02,829 They were already going to have very different roles 458 00:30:02,854 --> 00:30:04,160 within the institution. 459 00:30:04,185 --> 00:30:07,310 And I think the pictures of them laughing and joking at Wimbledon 460 00:30:07,335 --> 00:30:09,590 were probably the best it was ever going to get. 461 00:30:13,854 --> 00:30:17,079 Despite the press rumours the duchesses were at war, 462 00:30:17,104 --> 00:30:19,590 Finding Freedom claims the relationship 463 00:30:19,615 --> 00:30:23,949 between the sisters-in-law was less tense than reported. 464 00:30:23,974 --> 00:30:27,079 It does, however, reveal they struggled to move past 465 00:30:27,104 --> 00:30:29,910 the distant politeness of when they first met. 466 00:30:31,745 --> 00:30:36,110 It was very easy for us to escape into this storyline 467 00:30:36,135 --> 00:30:40,670 that Meghan and Catherine were best friends, 468 00:30:40,695 --> 00:30:47,030 that William, Harry, Meghan and Catherine represented the Fab Four, 469 00:30:47,055 --> 00:30:52,390 this union of young royals that were set to take control 470 00:30:52,415 --> 00:30:54,720 and modernise the monarchy. 471 00:30:54,745 --> 00:30:56,640 It wasn't the case at all. 472 00:30:58,974 --> 00:31:01,110 Just one year after they were photographed 473 00:31:01,135 --> 00:31:03,310 laughing together at Wimbledon, 474 00:31:03,335 --> 00:31:08,360 new photographs emerged of Kate and Meghan together at a polo event. 475 00:31:08,385 --> 00:31:12,590 This time, the atmosphere appeared a little less friendly. 476 00:31:12,615 --> 00:31:16,390 The book notes there was a cordial but distant rapport. 477 00:31:16,415 --> 00:31:20,030 So it's a big exclusive event in the summer of 2019, 478 00:31:20,055 --> 00:31:22,999 and both Kate and Meghan were there with their children. 479 00:31:23,024 --> 00:31:25,190 In fact, it was probably one of the first times 480 00:31:25,215 --> 00:31:27,949 we'd seen Meghan out and about with baby Archie. 481 00:31:27,974 --> 00:31:31,160 Kate was watching the children playing on the field 482 00:31:31,185 --> 00:31:32,910 while watching the polo. 483 00:31:32,935 --> 00:31:36,999 But the real striking thing was that the two women were not speaking. 484 00:31:37,024 --> 00:31:39,280 They weren't even conversing for most of the day. 485 00:31:39,305 --> 00:31:41,590 And I think that was quite a bit of a realisation 486 00:31:41,615 --> 00:31:44,520 for the British public, and quite a disappointment as well, 487 00:31:44,545 --> 00:31:47,520 that these two women were not going to be the best of friends. 488 00:31:49,615 --> 00:31:53,230 It's reported Meghan had wanted a strong and close relationship 489 00:31:53,255 --> 00:31:54,470 with her sister-in-law. 490 00:31:55,904 --> 00:31:58,800 The book details that Meghan had initially hoped 491 00:31:58,825 --> 00:32:01,879 that Kate would potentially reach out to her 492 00:32:01,904 --> 00:32:06,160 and help guide her, as somebody who had married into the institution. 493 00:32:06,185 --> 00:32:08,390 But the offer never materialised. 494 00:32:10,104 --> 00:32:15,110 It goes on to say Kate felt they didn't have much in common, 495 00:32:15,135 --> 00:32:18,550 other than the fact that they lived at Kensington Palace. 496 00:32:18,575 --> 00:32:21,560 So, while there might have been an expectation from Meghan 497 00:32:21,585 --> 00:32:24,829 that Kate was going to sit down and show her the ropes, 498 00:32:24,854 --> 00:32:27,390 perhaps that was an unrealistic expectation - 499 00:32:27,415 --> 00:32:31,030 you know, the Duchess of Cambridge is a busy woman. 500 00:32:31,055 --> 00:32:34,079 But Meghan clearly took that quite personally. 501 00:32:36,104 --> 00:32:40,310 In the same weekend Finding Freedom dominated the papers, 502 00:32:40,335 --> 00:32:44,160 Emily Andrews broke the story that friends of the Cambridges 503 00:32:44,185 --> 00:32:47,440 say Kate rolled out the red carpet for Meghan. 504 00:32:47,465 --> 00:32:49,670 So who was to blame for this coldness? 505 00:32:51,024 --> 00:32:54,030 I think it seems that Meghan had a very unrealistic expectation 506 00:32:54,055 --> 00:32:55,800 of her relationship with Kate. 507 00:32:55,825 --> 00:32:57,999 If you look at it from the Cambridges' point of view, 508 00:32:58,024 --> 00:33:00,590 they don't know this woman at all. From their point of view, 509 00:33:00,615 --> 00:33:03,079 they absolutely did welcome her into the family. 510 00:33:03,104 --> 00:33:08,920 William and Kate invited Meghan and Harry to Apartment 1A, 511 00:33:08,945 --> 00:33:12,160 Kate met Meghan pretty early on in the relationship, 512 00:33:12,185 --> 00:33:14,360 and I think, from William and Kate's point of view, 513 00:33:14,385 --> 00:33:16,560 they did try and help as much as possible. 514 00:33:16,585 --> 00:33:18,440 But they were at a very different stage of life. 515 00:33:20,305 --> 00:33:22,230 With friends of William and Kate 516 00:33:22,255 --> 00:33:24,520 refuting stories from Finding Freedom, 517 00:33:24,545 --> 00:33:29,230 the public is once again presented with two sides of the story, 518 00:33:29,255 --> 00:33:32,030 unsure which side is telling the truth. 519 00:33:35,575 --> 00:33:38,829 By the time Harry and Meghan's final royal engagement came around, 520 00:33:38,854 --> 00:33:40,889 in March of this year, 521 00:33:40,914 --> 00:33:43,110 the tension was clear for everyone to see. 522 00:33:44,615 --> 00:33:48,160 At the Commonwealth event, Meghan appeared to wave to Kate, 523 00:33:48,185 --> 00:33:50,280 but the gesture wasn't acknowledged. 524 00:33:51,695 --> 00:33:55,440 I was sitting behind William and Kate and Meghan and Harry, 525 00:33:55,465 --> 00:33:58,920 a few rows back, with other members of the press at that service, 526 00:33:58,945 --> 00:34:03,470 and there was absolutely a tension between the two couples. 527 00:34:03,495 --> 00:34:08,360 While Kate turned around to speak to Edward and Sophie Wessex, 528 00:34:08,385 --> 00:34:12,160 she just didn't acknowledge Meghan and Harry at all, 529 00:34:12,185 --> 00:34:14,280 and that was very obvious. 530 00:34:15,974 --> 00:34:17,749 Finding Freedom notes that, 531 00:34:17,774 --> 00:34:20,560 after flying straight back to Canada, Meghan... 532 00:34:27,535 --> 00:34:32,560 There is no doubt that certain plotlines 533 00:34:32,585 --> 00:34:35,829 sell newspapers and sell magazines. 534 00:34:37,415 --> 00:34:41,110 And initially what sold 535 00:34:41,135 --> 00:34:46,440 was the remarkable story of these four young royals 536 00:34:46,465 --> 00:34:49,920 and the tight union that they supposedly had. 537 00:34:49,945 --> 00:34:52,749 But, in reality, that just wasn't the case. 538 00:34:54,535 --> 00:34:58,030 Finding Freedom has done nothing to quell the fascination 539 00:34:58,055 --> 00:35:03,190 with the Duke and Duchess of Sussex, presenting another side of the story 540 00:35:03,215 --> 00:35:08,230 and asking if the criticism facing the Sussexes has been fair. 541 00:35:08,255 --> 00:35:10,869 The whole story about Meghan wanting, you know, 542 00:35:10,894 --> 00:35:13,720 the chapel for her wedding to smell a certain way 543 00:35:13,745 --> 00:35:17,230 and then people find out that Kate wanted the exact same thing, 544 00:35:17,255 --> 00:35:19,749 but Kate is not being crucified for that. 545 00:35:19,774 --> 00:35:21,470 However, Meghan is. 546 00:35:21,495 --> 00:35:26,079 That just highlights again that this toxicity against Meghan 547 00:35:26,104 --> 00:35:29,470 is coming from a very deep place of bias. 548 00:35:38,315 --> 00:35:40,929 Finding Freedom might arguably tell the story 549 00:35:40,954 --> 00:35:44,929 from Harry and Meghan's side, but it's not the only book about them 550 00:35:44,954 --> 00:35:46,850 to hit the shelves this summer. 551 00:35:48,084 --> 00:35:50,290 It's like hot cakes right now. 552 00:35:50,315 --> 00:35:52,889 It's almost as though people think that this is the next version 553 00:35:52,914 --> 00:35:54,850 of The Crown from Netflix. 554 00:35:54,875 --> 00:36:01,420 I think that there is a battle at the moment amongst authors 555 00:36:01,445 --> 00:36:06,420 to try and tell or answer the unanswered questions 556 00:36:06,445 --> 00:36:09,210 as to what led to the split. 557 00:36:17,034 --> 00:36:19,900 Many well-covered tales about the Sussexes 558 00:36:19,925 --> 00:36:22,530 feature in books by Lady Colin Campbell 559 00:36:22,555 --> 00:36:26,059 and journalists Dylan Howard and Andy Tillett. 560 00:36:26,084 --> 00:36:27,809 But are these just examples 561 00:36:27,834 --> 00:36:32,420 of yet more unfair criticism that Meghan has faced? 562 00:36:32,445 --> 00:36:35,370 Such as claims Meghan wanted St George's Chapel 563 00:36:35,395 --> 00:36:38,059 to smell a certain way for her wedding - 564 00:36:38,084 --> 00:36:41,340 a story she was ridiculed for in the press, 565 00:36:41,365 --> 00:36:45,620 despite Kate wanting the same thing at her wedding in Westminster Abbey. 566 00:36:47,925 --> 00:36:50,450 The whole story about Meghan wanting, you know, 567 00:36:50,475 --> 00:36:53,450 the chapel for her wedding to smell a certain way, 568 00:36:53,475 --> 00:36:57,009 and then people find out that Kate wanted the exact same thing, 569 00:36:57,034 --> 00:36:59,620 but Kate is not being crucified for that. 570 00:36:59,645 --> 00:37:01,210 However, Meghan is. 571 00:37:01,235 --> 00:37:05,850 That just highlights again that this toxicity against Meghan 572 00:37:05,875 --> 00:37:09,210 is coming from a very deep place of bias. 573 00:37:13,875 --> 00:37:18,450 Westminster Abbey is not the same thing as St George's Chapel. 574 00:37:18,475 --> 00:37:24,329 I've actually been to events at both, and, I have to tell you, 575 00:37:24,354 --> 00:37:27,989 St George's Chapel does not smell musty. 576 00:37:28,014 --> 00:37:29,889 It smells of beeswax, 577 00:37:29,914 --> 00:37:34,659 which is what the furniture is waxed down with. 578 00:37:34,684 --> 00:37:38,809 Maybe Meghan had never smelt beeswax before in her life. 579 00:37:40,354 --> 00:37:45,049 Lady Colin Campbell's book addresses another infamous story - 580 00:37:45,074 --> 00:37:47,089 the claim Meghan clashed with the Queen 581 00:37:47,114 --> 00:37:49,219 over her choice of tiara for her wedding. 582 00:37:50,604 --> 00:37:54,089 But Finding Freedom says there was no clash. 583 00:37:54,114 --> 00:37:57,449 Each story has been corroborated by at least two sources 584 00:37:57,474 --> 00:38:00,169 and they spoke to over 100 sources for the book. 585 00:38:00,194 --> 00:38:01,859 People don't want to believe that. 586 00:38:01,884 --> 00:38:05,049 They want to think only Harry and Meghan will say that, 587 00:38:05,074 --> 00:38:07,249 and they are lying. 588 00:38:07,274 --> 00:38:11,019 Instead, the book says it was Harry who had reservations 589 00:38:11,044 --> 00:38:13,329 that the Queen's dressmaker, Angela Kelley, 590 00:38:13,354 --> 00:38:15,579 was intentionally delaying the process 591 00:38:15,604 --> 00:38:17,889 of Meghan selecting her wedding day tiara. 592 00:38:20,324 --> 00:38:23,449 But it is quite one-sided. 593 00:38:23,474 --> 00:38:27,329 Yes, Harry and Meghan died don't escape criticism in the book, 594 00:38:27,354 --> 00:38:29,329 that's certainly true. 595 00:38:29,354 --> 00:38:34,219 But it is mainly their side of the story 596 00:38:34,244 --> 00:38:36,469 and everyone else is the bad guys. 597 00:38:37,834 --> 00:38:39,299 Either way, what is sure 598 00:38:39,324 --> 00:38:42,579 is that there have been countless attacks on Meghan 599 00:38:42,604 --> 00:38:44,379 over the past two years. 600 00:38:44,404 --> 00:38:47,739 Allegedly, some even came from palace insiders. 601 00:38:50,404 --> 00:38:52,249 Seems to me that some of the stores 602 00:38:52,274 --> 00:38:55,089 are stemming directly from Buckingham Palace. 603 00:38:55,114 --> 00:38:59,169 We're back to this narrative again that strong, 604 00:38:59,194 --> 00:39:04,529 independent women are anathema in our society. 605 00:39:04,554 --> 00:39:07,659 "Duchess Difficult", "Hurricane Meghan" - 606 00:39:07,684 --> 00:39:10,579 some of the headlines that started coming out in the tabloid press. 607 00:39:10,604 --> 00:39:13,769 Reports that, you know, she had a habit of sending dawn e-mails 608 00:39:13,794 --> 00:39:16,579 to staff and wanted a response before lunchtime. 609 00:39:16,604 --> 00:39:20,609 This appears to be true and seems to be backed up in Finding Freedom. 610 00:39:20,634 --> 00:39:23,529 But the author's interpretation of this 611 00:39:23,554 --> 00:39:28,019 is that this was an experienced, successful American actress 612 00:39:28,044 --> 00:39:29,939 who was used to having an entourage of staff 613 00:39:29,964 --> 00:39:32,769 and who was used to having things done quickly. 614 00:39:46,754 --> 00:39:51,329 Meghan has faced criticism for pretty much every move she has made, 615 00:39:51,354 --> 00:39:53,859 even down to the clothes she wears. 616 00:39:55,244 --> 00:39:58,889 When Meghan came on the scene and started wearing gowns 617 00:39:58,914 --> 00:40:04,809 that were thousands of dollars and living an extravagant lifestyle, 618 00:40:04,834 --> 00:40:08,689 then it began to rub people up the wrong way. 619 00:40:08,714 --> 00:40:10,409 Someone's got to spend the most. 620 00:40:10,434 --> 00:40:12,859 And Meghan's the one that spends the most. 621 00:40:12,884 --> 00:40:15,139 Again, it's just a non-issue. 622 00:40:15,164 --> 00:40:16,769 It's a non-story. 623 00:40:16,794 --> 00:40:18,939 She's probably spending her own money. 624 00:40:18,964 --> 00:40:20,089 What's the big deal? 625 00:40:22,834 --> 00:40:25,769 And even a claim that Kensington Palace staff 626 00:40:25,794 --> 00:40:27,969 noted that Meghan's charity cookbook, 627 00:40:27,994 --> 00:40:31,299 raising funds for the victims of the Grenfell tragedy, 628 00:40:31,324 --> 00:40:34,769 didn't contain a single recipe of British origin. 629 00:40:47,244 --> 00:40:49,049 Everyone embraced this so deeply 630 00:40:49,074 --> 00:40:51,859 because it's been a passion project for all of us, 631 00:40:51,884 --> 00:40:53,529 and for a very good reason. 632 00:40:55,554 --> 00:40:57,729 For Meghan, much of the criticism 633 00:40:57,754 --> 00:41:00,119 must have felt unwarranted and unfair. 634 00:41:02,394 --> 00:41:05,329 Why is Meghan a target for criticism? 635 00:41:05,354 --> 00:41:06,859 Hmm... 636 00:41:06,884 --> 00:41:08,529 Very good question. 637 00:41:08,554 --> 00:41:09,859 Right, I don't know. 638 00:41:09,884 --> 00:41:13,089 Do you have a piece of paper? Several pieces of paper? 639 00:41:13,114 --> 00:41:17,369 But let's start with the fact that, one, she's a progressive woman. 640 00:41:17,394 --> 00:41:19,169 She's independent. 641 00:41:19,194 --> 00:41:21,969 And let's talk about the fact that she doesn't fit 642 00:41:21,994 --> 00:41:26,449 your traditional idea of, you know, "royalty". 643 00:41:27,914 --> 00:41:29,249 Let's talk about the fact 644 00:41:29,274 --> 00:41:32,329 that she's a woman of bi-racial heritage, right? 645 00:41:32,354 --> 00:41:36,659 Let's talk about the fact that her profession was that of an actress 646 00:41:36,684 --> 00:41:38,659 and the fact that she's American. 647 00:41:38,684 --> 00:41:42,169 There's just so many things around and about her 648 00:41:42,194 --> 00:41:45,219 that many people do not like. 649 00:41:45,244 --> 00:41:46,859 I feel for the poor girl. 650 00:41:46,884 --> 00:41:49,659 I mean, she came into this country, parachuted in. 651 00:41:49,684 --> 00:41:52,859 She's married into a very difficult family, 652 00:41:52,884 --> 00:41:55,169 that everybody finds difficult to come into 653 00:41:55,194 --> 00:41:56,969 because of the various pressures. 654 00:41:56,994 --> 00:41:59,329 And she's someone who didn't know an awful lot 655 00:41:59,354 --> 00:42:01,499 about British history, British culture. 656 00:42:01,524 --> 00:42:02,939 And she's... As she said herself, 657 00:42:02,964 --> 00:42:04,889 she's going to hit the ground running. 658 00:42:04,914 --> 00:42:06,499 And she hit the ground running, 659 00:42:06,524 --> 00:42:09,939 but she found that she came up against a brick wall. 660 00:42:09,964 --> 00:42:12,159 But amongst all of the petty criticism, 661 00:42:12,184 --> 00:42:14,889 there have also been stories that suggest 662 00:42:14,914 --> 00:42:18,069 Meghan and the royal way of life was a culture clash. 663 00:42:19,294 --> 00:42:21,789 In my book, I go to great lengths 664 00:42:21,814 --> 00:42:26,029 to explain how the culture clash arose, 665 00:42:26,054 --> 00:42:30,959 because Meghan has very American attitudes and expectations. 666 00:42:30,984 --> 00:42:35,679 She is all about confidence, go-getting, hustling 667 00:42:35,704 --> 00:42:39,269 and all of those Hollywood things 668 00:42:39,294 --> 00:42:43,019 that she has been brought up to regard as desirable. 669 00:42:44,374 --> 00:42:47,779 Did Meghan really know what she was letting herself in for 670 00:42:47,804 --> 00:42:50,749 when she married into the royal family? 671 00:42:50,774 --> 00:42:55,549 Some stories show how she struggled to get to grips with royal life, 672 00:42:55,574 --> 00:42:58,879 like her first official engagement with the Queen - 673 00:42:58,904 --> 00:43:02,319 opening the Mersey Gateway Bridge in June 2018. 674 00:43:54,734 --> 00:43:56,959 There were certain elements of royalty 675 00:43:56,984 --> 00:43:58,989 that perhaps weren't for Meghan, 676 00:43:59,014 --> 00:44:01,779 but she was widely condemned regardless. 677 00:44:01,804 --> 00:44:03,959 Like security. 678 00:44:03,984 --> 00:44:05,959 SINGING 679 00:44:05,984 --> 00:44:10,239 Dylan Howard's Royals At War reminds us of an incident in Fiji 680 00:44:10,264 --> 00:44:11,879 when Meghan visited a market. 681 00:44:15,054 --> 00:44:19,549 Every royal is assigned a level of protection 682 00:44:19,574 --> 00:44:23,029 when making appearances in public, 683 00:44:23,054 --> 00:44:28,469 and there could be no more valuable commodity, if you like, 684 00:44:28,494 --> 00:44:32,709 than a pregnant Meghan Markle making appearances in public. 685 00:44:34,134 --> 00:44:36,349 Under sweltering temperatures 686 00:44:36,374 --> 00:44:38,069 and with an increasingly large crowd, 687 00:44:38,094 --> 00:44:41,159 the duchess was rushed out and the visit ended early. 688 00:44:42,264 --> 00:44:44,029 Turn round, turn round, turn round. 689 00:44:45,294 --> 00:44:47,879 Inevitably, in these types of scenarios, 690 00:44:47,904 --> 00:44:50,389 the royals are briefed about what is right 691 00:44:50,414 --> 00:44:51,879 and what is wrong 692 00:44:51,904 --> 00:44:53,419 and what is expected of them 693 00:44:53,444 --> 00:44:57,669 in order to maintain their security and their wellbeing. 694 00:44:57,694 --> 00:45:01,469 The security officer in charge quit her role not long after 695 00:45:01,494 --> 00:45:06,749 amid claims at the time that Meghan found security constraining, 696 00:45:06,774 --> 00:45:09,349 although the palace denied this was why she left. 697 00:45:09,374 --> 00:45:12,599 Guys, out. Just stay to the side, please. 698 00:45:12,624 --> 00:45:14,599 Everyone, turn round. 699 00:45:14,624 --> 00:45:16,139 Meghan was oblivious. 700 00:45:16,164 --> 00:45:18,349 Despite being told how to behave, 701 00:45:18,374 --> 00:45:22,189 she thumbed her nose at the restrictions 702 00:45:22,214 --> 00:45:26,959 or recommendations of the royal protection officer. 703 00:45:28,134 --> 00:45:31,159 And Lady Colin Campbell recalls at an event 704 00:45:31,184 --> 00:45:35,749 that, in her view, shows Meghan unwilling to persist with royal duty 705 00:45:35,774 --> 00:45:39,519 at her and Harry's first public engagement as a married couple. 706 00:45:42,094 --> 00:45:48,349 I was at a dinner party at a very, very famous aristocrat's house 707 00:45:48,374 --> 00:45:51,419 four nights after the wedding, 708 00:45:51,444 --> 00:45:56,799 and this person has impeccable court connections. 709 00:45:58,264 --> 00:46:03,349 At a garden party to celebrate Prince Charles's 70th birthday 710 00:46:03,374 --> 00:46:05,879 and all of his charity connections... 711 00:46:05,904 --> 00:46:09,439 There had been this garden party at Buckingham Palace 712 00:46:09,464 --> 00:46:12,059 and Harry and Meghan were there. 713 00:46:13,184 --> 00:46:16,029 Good afternoon, everybody. APPLAUSE 714 00:46:18,054 --> 00:46:21,709 And there was much excitement about them being there 715 00:46:21,734 --> 00:46:23,389 because, of course, at that time, 716 00:46:23,414 --> 00:46:26,439 they were the most popular couple in the country. 717 00:46:26,464 --> 00:46:29,179 She was a revered figure. 718 00:46:29,204 --> 00:46:31,569 People couldn't wait to meet her. 719 00:46:31,594 --> 00:46:35,109 Well, 15 minutes into the engagement, 720 00:46:35,134 --> 00:46:40,629 Meghan is overheard telling Harry she's bored and she wants to leave 721 00:46:40,654 --> 00:46:44,059 because they've effectively done their photo op. 722 00:46:47,904 --> 00:46:53,349 And the person who overheard this was completely gobsmacked. 723 00:46:53,374 --> 00:46:56,049 Enjoy the rest of your day. 724 00:46:56,074 --> 00:46:59,749 All of these stories and allegations hint at teething problems 725 00:46:59,774 --> 00:47:03,189 as Meghan grappled with royal life. 726 00:47:03,214 --> 00:47:07,549 But rather than focusing on arguably unfair criticisms, 727 00:47:07,574 --> 00:47:10,829 should the public and press have been more understanding 728 00:47:10,854 --> 00:47:12,989 of Meghan's struggle? 729 00:47:13,014 --> 00:47:14,269 ...in orange... 730 00:47:14,294 --> 00:47:16,959 After all, it's something that is very different 731 00:47:16,984 --> 00:47:18,959 to what she was used to. 732 00:47:18,984 --> 00:47:21,159 ...that's one of my favourite parts of being there. 733 00:47:21,184 --> 00:47:23,029 On the face of it, everybody was very, very excited 734 00:47:23,054 --> 00:47:24,309 when Meghan came on the scene. 735 00:47:24,334 --> 00:47:26,519 She was hugely successful in her own right. 736 00:47:26,544 --> 00:47:30,309 She'd spoken on the world stage on big issues like the UN, 737 00:47:30,334 --> 00:47:32,269 human rights, girls education. 738 00:47:32,294 --> 00:47:35,629 I think there was a awful lot of interest and excitement 739 00:47:35,654 --> 00:47:36,959 with her coming on the scene. 740 00:47:36,984 --> 00:47:39,829 But she definitely wanted to hit the ground running. 741 00:47:39,854 --> 00:47:41,269 She'd said that herself. 742 00:47:41,294 --> 00:47:43,599 I think that, in certain sections of the palace, 743 00:47:43,624 --> 00:47:44,989 that was quite difficult 744 00:47:45,014 --> 00:47:48,799 because there are certain processes, protocols that had to be followed. 745 00:47:48,824 --> 00:47:50,599 And when these two worlds collided, 746 00:47:50,624 --> 00:47:53,619 there was definitely a clash that couldn't be avoided. 747 00:47:53,644 --> 00:47:55,799 There was a culture clash. 748 00:47:55,824 --> 00:48:01,309 American divorcee bi-racial actress, 749 00:48:01,334 --> 00:48:03,269 woman of substance, 750 00:48:03,294 --> 00:48:06,599 21st century girl from Los Angeles 751 00:48:06,624 --> 00:48:10,909 versus the pale, male, stale 752 00:48:10,934 --> 00:48:14,309 and very white British monarchy. 753 00:48:14,334 --> 00:48:16,909 Yes, we have a woman as our head of state. 754 00:48:16,934 --> 00:48:19,769 YES, we have 6 WOITIBH 6S OUF queen. 755 00:48:20,874 --> 00:48:23,569 But it is still an old-fashioned institution. 756 00:48:23,594 --> 00:48:25,989 It's done in... Tradition is all. 757 00:48:26,014 --> 00:48:27,669 Duty is all. 758 00:48:27,694 --> 00:48:30,669 And that's not very woke or 21st century. 759 00:48:30,694 --> 00:48:35,109 Coming up, did Meghan feel she lost her ability to speak out 760 00:48:35,134 --> 00:48:36,829 when she became a royal? 761 00:48:38,184 --> 00:48:39,439 That age-old mantra, 762 00:48:39,464 --> 00:48:42,029 which has stood the royals in very good stead - 763 00:48:42,054 --> 00:48:44,469 never complain, never explain - 764 00:48:44,494 --> 00:48:45,879 I think most people would say 765 00:48:45,904 --> 00:48:49,239 that she absolutely didn't understand that. 766 00:48:49,264 --> 00:48:51,389 And now that she and Harry have left, 767 00:48:51,414 --> 00:48:53,309 is she getting her voice back? 768 00:48:55,084 --> 00:48:58,829 It's been very empowering and inspiring to see and to hear 769 00:48:58,854 --> 00:49:00,549 what they've had to say. 770 00:49:09,344 --> 00:49:11,569 Many observers believe that a key factor 771 00:49:11,594 --> 00:49:15,239 behind the Sussexes leaving the royal institution 772 00:49:15,264 --> 00:49:18,439 was what some saw as the muzzling of Meghan Markle. 773 00:49:18,464 --> 00:49:20,519 Before her marriage to Prince Harry, 774 00:49:20,544 --> 00:49:23,639 she'd used her media profile to highlight social issues 775 00:49:23,664 --> 00:49:25,319 close to her heart. 776 00:49:25,344 --> 00:49:27,029 Women don't need to find a voice. 777 00:49:27,054 --> 00:49:28,279 They have a voice. 778 00:49:28,304 --> 00:49:30,159 They need to feel empowered to use it, 779 00:49:30,184 --> 00:49:32,959 and people need to be encouraged to listen. 780 00:49:32,984 --> 00:49:34,719 More people were encouraged to listen 781 00:49:34,744 --> 00:49:37,879 when her relationship with Harry became public. 782 00:49:37,904 --> 00:49:40,029 But being Harry's girlfriend was one thing, 783 00:49:40,054 --> 00:49:42,409 being his wife was quite another. 784 00:49:42,434 --> 00:49:44,359 If she was not part of the royal, family 785 00:49:44,384 --> 00:49:46,799 the way she would have come out to speak on issues 786 00:49:46,824 --> 00:49:48,959 and to lend support on different things, 787 00:49:48,984 --> 00:49:51,209 she had to curtail all of that. 788 00:49:51,234 --> 00:49:54,159 You can speak your mind as a celebrity. 789 00:49:54,184 --> 00:49:57,749 You can align yourself with different politicians 790 00:49:57,774 --> 00:49:59,359 as a celebrity. 791 00:49:59,384 --> 00:50:03,589 You can't do any of that as being a member of the royal family. 792 00:50:03,614 --> 00:50:05,159 You blogs and all that stuff, 793 00:50:05,184 --> 00:50:07,999 that's just been silenced 100% to fit this role. 794 00:50:08,024 --> 00:50:10,409 Maybe one of the reasons for them wanting to leave 795 00:50:10,434 --> 00:50:12,409 is so that she can go back to doing that. 796 00:50:12,434 --> 00:50:14,769 And following her move to Los Angeles, 797 00:50:14,794 --> 00:50:16,279 despite the lockdown, 798 00:50:16,304 --> 00:50:20,569 Meghan Markle is out there speaking her mind once again. 799 00:50:20,594 --> 00:50:22,439 All of you were out there campaigning, 800 00:50:22,464 --> 00:50:23,799 fighting the right fight, 801 00:50:23,824 --> 00:50:25,519 being on the right side of history 802 00:50:25,544 --> 00:50:27,719 and ensuring that we can get closer 803 00:50:27,744 --> 00:50:29,599 to seeing this truly as our past 804 00:50:29,624 --> 00:50:33,029 and not something that we have to revisit again and again and again. 805 00:50:33,054 --> 00:50:39,279 Meghan and Harry have given, you know, recent zoom virtual talks 806 00:50:39,304 --> 00:50:42,239 to many from the younger generation. 807 00:50:42,264 --> 00:50:45,569 They definitely have been able to speak about matters 808 00:50:45,594 --> 00:50:49,209 that are at the heart of them, and matters that are important to them 809 00:50:49,234 --> 00:50:51,439 like Black Lives Matter. 810 00:50:51,464 --> 00:50:54,719 The only wrong thing to say is to say nothing... 811 00:50:55,934 --> 00:50:56,909 ...because... 812 00:50:58,654 --> 00:51:00,779 ...George Floyd's life mattered, 813 00:51:00,804 --> 00:51:02,969 and Breonna Taylor's life mattered, 814 00:51:02,994 --> 00:51:05,139 and Philando Castile's life mattered, 815 00:51:05,164 --> 00:51:07,249 and Tamir Rice's life mattered. 816 00:51:10,674 --> 00:51:13,649 And so did so many other people whose names we know 817 00:51:13,674 --> 00:51:16,169 and whose names we do not know. 818 00:51:16,194 --> 00:51:20,009 It's been very empowering and inspiring to see and to hear 819 00:51:20,034 --> 00:51:21,729 what they've had to say. 820 00:51:23,704 --> 00:51:25,059 But did Harry and Meghan 821 00:51:25,084 --> 00:51:27,889 really need to leave the royal institution 822 00:51:27,914 --> 00:51:30,249 to speak out on subjects like racism 823 00:51:30,274 --> 00:51:32,419 and women's rights? 824 00:51:32,444 --> 00:51:34,369 I went back to the palaces, 825 00:51:34,394 --> 00:51:36,169 various people in palaces, and said, 826 00:51:36,194 --> 00:51:39,249 "Would Meghan have been allowed to make those kind of speeches 827 00:51:39,274 --> 00:51:41,449 "if she was still working for the royals?" 828 00:51:41,474 --> 00:51:43,089 Now, you can take what I'm about to say as, 829 00:51:43,114 --> 00:51:45,009 "Well, that would say that, wouldn't they?" 830 00:51:45,034 --> 00:51:46,809 but literally, to a man and a woman, 831 00:51:46,834 --> 00:51:49,369 the people that I spoke to said, "Yeah, why not?" 832 00:51:51,244 --> 00:51:53,499 More problematic for the royals, perhaps, 833 00:51:53,524 --> 00:51:56,169 was a concern that Meghan's progressive agenda 834 00:51:56,194 --> 00:51:57,779 might encroach into politics. 835 00:51:59,314 --> 00:52:01,089 You're going to use your voice in a stronger way 836 00:52:01,114 --> 00:52:02,797 than you've ever been able to. 837 00:52:02,822 --> 00:52:05,307 Because most of you are 18, or you're going to turn 18, 838 00:52:05,332 --> 00:52:06,667 so you're going to vote. 839 00:52:06,692 --> 00:52:09,307 Someone said to me, "That might be," and I was like, hang on a sec, 840 00:52:09,332 --> 00:52:11,877 she's just telling everyone to vote. That's not political. 841 00:52:11,902 --> 00:52:14,847 And they were like, "No, but she's made it very clear in the past 842 00:52:14,872 --> 00:52:17,026 "where her political allegiances lie." 843 00:52:17,051 --> 00:52:19,307 You know, she's been very outspoken about Trump. 844 00:52:20,981 --> 00:52:24,237 The royal family has historically stayed out of politics. 845 00:52:25,942 --> 00:52:28,127 There is an inherent conflict 846 00:52:28,152 --> 00:52:31,877 between a member of the British royal family 847 00:52:31,902 --> 00:52:34,917 involved in American politics. 848 00:52:34,942 --> 00:52:38,127 It just can't work. 849 00:52:38,152 --> 00:52:40,557 Before Meghan became pregnant with Archie, 850 00:52:40,582 --> 00:52:44,797 they had intended to go to America on tour, 851 00:52:44,822 --> 00:52:47,276 but she made it very clear that she wasn't going to see Trump. 852 00:52:47,301 --> 00:52:49,127 I'm afraid it doesn't work like that. 853 00:52:49,152 --> 00:52:53,877 Clearly, she is a woman with very strong political opinions. 854 00:52:53,902 --> 00:52:56,357 I think we will probably see and hear more of these 855 00:52:56,382 --> 00:52:59,667 now that she is detached from the royal family. 856 00:53:02,942 --> 00:53:05,196 As well as freeing her to speak her mind, 857 00:53:05,221 --> 00:53:09,437 leaving has allowed Meghan to regain control of her own agenda 858 00:53:09,462 --> 00:53:12,847 and to hit out directly at her detractors. 859 00:53:15,512 --> 00:53:17,877 Through her Instagram, very popular lnstagram account, 860 00:53:17,902 --> 00:53:18,946 and her blog, The Tig, 861 00:53:18,971 --> 00:53:21,946 she was used to being able to control the message. 862 00:53:26,512 --> 00:53:28,357 Believe in what makes you unique, 863 00:53:28,382 --> 00:53:31,557 and don't be afraid to do what you know is right, 864 00:53:31,582 --> 00:53:34,406 even when it's not popular. 865 00:53:34,431 --> 00:53:36,637 Even when it's never been done before. 866 00:53:36,662 --> 00:53:39,917 Well, Meghan's choice of language, of "even when it's not popular, 867 00:53:39,942 --> 00:53:41,847 "even if it's not been done before," 868 00:53:41,872 --> 00:53:44,437 was definitely a pointed reference 869 00:53:44,462 --> 00:53:46,637 to their decision to leave the royal family. 870 00:53:46,662 --> 00:53:49,196 Even if it scares people, 871 00:53:49,221 --> 00:53:51,357 and even if it scares you a little. 872 00:53:53,582 --> 00:53:54,877 That age-old mantra, 873 00:53:54,902 --> 00:53:57,597 which has stood the royals in very good stead - 874 00:53:57,622 --> 00:53:59,637 never complain, never explain - 875 00:53:59,662 --> 00:54:01,047 I think most people would say 876 00:54:01,072 --> 00:54:03,667 that she absolutely didn't understand that. 877 00:54:03,692 --> 00:54:05,997 One of the things she felt very stifled by 878 00:54:06,022 --> 00:54:08,127 was not being able to answer back. 879 00:54:19,742 --> 00:54:26,717 Meghan couldn't grasp the reason why she wasn't able to respond to these. 880 00:54:26,742 --> 00:54:31,076 Well, there was so much more at stake than just Meghan Markle. 881 00:54:31,101 --> 00:54:34,237 The whole House of Windsor needed to be considered 882 00:54:34,262 --> 00:54:38,076 in whether or not she was to respond to an allegation 883 00:54:38,101 --> 00:54:39,936 that was levelled against her. 884 00:54:39,961 --> 00:54:44,307 And that narrow-mindedness goes a long way to explaining 885 00:54:44,332 --> 00:54:47,237 why her and Harry would ultimately leave the family. 886 00:54:47,262 --> 00:54:49,877 And I think this book is largely being written 887 00:54:49,902 --> 00:54:52,307 to put to her side of the story across. 888 00:54:54,382 --> 00:54:56,946 And regardless of their personal influence on the book, 889 00:54:56,971 --> 00:55:00,276 it hasn't been the only outlet for the couple's grievances. 890 00:55:13,022 --> 00:55:15,196 The letter related to Thomas Markle's 891 00:55:15,221 --> 00:55:17,047 various dealings with the media 892 00:55:17,072 --> 00:55:21,717 following his non-appearances at the couple's wedding in May 2018. 893 00:55:21,742 --> 00:55:24,076 And within the court documents, 894 00:55:24,101 --> 00:55:26,917 some of Meghan's complaints about her treatment 895 00:55:26,942 --> 00:55:29,637 within the House of Windsor have been laid bare. 896 00:55:31,221 --> 00:55:34,717 She has used the courts as a forum 897 00:55:34,742 --> 00:55:39,326 to get her version of events out into the public. 898 00:55:39,351 --> 00:55:40,837 Meghan's detractors say 899 00:55:40,862 --> 00:55:43,587 she's attempting to manipulate the media 900 00:55:43,612 --> 00:55:46,217 and claim the revelations in her court evidence 901 00:55:46,242 --> 00:55:50,517 and writing the letter to her father in the first place 902 00:55:50,542 --> 00:55:52,946 are evidence of this. 903 00:55:52,971 --> 00:55:58,557 If Meghan expects me or anybody else that I know who has a brain 904 00:55:58,582 --> 00:56:01,637 to think that she wrote that letter 905 00:56:01,662 --> 00:56:06,156 for anything except damaging her father's reputation 906 00:56:06,181 --> 00:56:08,767 and boosting her own, 907 00:56:08,792 --> 00:56:10,917 and excusing her, 908 00:56:10,942 --> 00:56:12,767 she better think again. 909 00:56:12,792 --> 00:56:14,276 The central point of the case 910 00:56:14,301 --> 00:56:16,307 is whether Meghan wrote this letter 911 00:56:16,332 --> 00:56:18,517 with the intention of it being public 912 00:56:18,542 --> 00:56:20,406 and one of the authors behind this book 913 00:56:20,431 --> 00:56:21,877 has actually gone on record 914 00:56:21,902 --> 00:56:24,687 to say that Meghan wrote it with the public in mind. 915 00:56:26,382 --> 00:56:30,557 That was a comment made by author Omid Scobie earlier in the year, 916 00:56:30,582 --> 00:56:32,557 but not repeated in the book. 917 00:56:32,582 --> 00:56:35,047 Meghan emphatically states that she didn't expect 918 00:56:35,072 --> 00:56:36,837 the contents to become public, 919 00:56:36,862 --> 00:56:38,517 but Associated Newspapers, 920 00:56:38,542 --> 00:56:40,477 publishers of the Mail on Sunday, 921 00:56:40,502 --> 00:56:41,717 are contesting that. 922 00:56:41,742 --> 00:56:43,276 Before being published, 923 00:56:43,301 --> 00:56:45,997 the letter had been referred to in People magazine. 924 00:56:46,022 --> 00:56:48,076 She may have given her friends 925 00:56:48,101 --> 00:56:50,557 permission to speak to People magazine. 926 00:56:50,582 --> 00:56:53,196 Friends have been spoken to at some point, 927 00:56:53,221 --> 00:56:54,587 but I genuinely think that 928 00:56:54,612 --> 00:56:57,517 that was a letter between herself and her father 929 00:56:57,542 --> 00:57:01,357 and I don't think she wanted it to be in any of the papers. 930 00:57:06,582 --> 00:57:08,837 It will be up to the courts to decide 931 00:57:08,862 --> 00:57:13,877 of whether... This was the issue, of whether she did know or didn't. 932 00:57:13,902 --> 00:57:19,357 I think it must be very sad and exhausting for Harry and Meghan 933 00:57:19,382 --> 00:57:22,437 to have had to undertake this court action. 934 00:57:22,462 --> 00:57:27,276 You're forced to go through this vicious cycle of seeing more lies 935 00:57:27,301 --> 00:57:30,587 and the same lies come up, and people buy into it 936 00:57:30,612 --> 00:57:32,076 and people dig into it. 937 00:57:32,101 --> 00:57:33,917 It has to be exhausting for them. 938 00:57:33,942 --> 00:57:37,156 But I have to say, it is the right thing to do. 939 00:57:39,742 --> 00:57:41,917 Since beginning the court proceedings, 940 00:57:41,942 --> 00:57:44,946 both Harry and Meghan have been accused of hypocrisy 941 00:57:44,971 --> 00:57:46,557 in their dealings with the media. 942 00:57:48,332 --> 00:57:51,946 Whether or not she wanted the letter leaked 943 00:57:51,971 --> 00:57:54,437 is really unknown at this point. 944 00:57:54,462 --> 00:57:56,687 But what I can say with certainty 945 00:57:56,712 --> 00:58:00,276 is that she does want certain stories leaked. 946 00:58:00,301 --> 00:58:01,687 In the book Fighting Freedom, 947 00:58:01,712 --> 00:58:03,687 it says that she worked with the paparazzi. 948 00:58:03,712 --> 00:58:06,276 She tipped them off and she tipped off localjournalists 949 00:58:06,301 --> 00:58:08,687 because she was trying to further her own profile. 950 00:58:08,712 --> 00:58:11,687 And you do kind of come away from the book thinking 951 00:58:11,712 --> 00:58:16,196 Harry and Meghan are perfectly happy to invade their own privacy 952 00:58:16,221 --> 00:58:19,717 as long as it's a positive outcome for them. 953 00:58:19,742 --> 00:58:22,837 I've never seen a member of the royal family 954 00:58:22,862 --> 00:58:28,637 who has polarised opinion quite as strongly as Meghan, 955 00:58:28,662 --> 00:58:30,497 and then Harry and Meghan. 956 00:58:30,522 --> 00:58:34,917 It's almost as if people took positions very, very early on. 957 00:58:34,942 --> 00:58:38,076 You're either for them or you're against them. 958 00:58:38,101 --> 00:58:40,767 CHEERING 959 00:58:40,792 --> 00:58:42,437 But unlike many such debates, 960 00:58:42,462 --> 00:58:45,227 there will eventually be winners and losers 961 00:58:45,252 --> 00:58:48,406 on at least some of the big questions over Meghan. 962 00:58:48,431 --> 00:58:50,637 Is she an attention-seeking hypocrite 963 00:58:50,662 --> 00:58:53,867 who was a disruptive influence on the royal family, 964 00:58:53,892 --> 00:58:58,227 or is she a well-meaning and wholly innocent victim of racism, 965 00:58:58,252 --> 00:59:02,867 sexism and the machinery and machinations of the monarchy? 966 00:59:02,892 --> 00:59:05,276 It seems that the English courts will play a part 967 00:59:05,301 --> 00:59:07,196 in answering that question. 968 00:59:09,221 --> 00:59:10,946 If they are to win, 969 00:59:10,971 --> 00:59:13,997 they will have won at the expense 970 00:59:14,022 --> 00:59:18,357 of dragging the royal family through the mud. 971 00:59:18,382 --> 00:59:22,557 So, win or lose, in my view, it's a loss. 972 00:59:24,462 --> 00:59:26,477 Released from the House of Windsor, 973 00:59:26,502 --> 00:59:30,437 have Harry and Meghan really found their freedom? 974 00:59:30,462 --> 00:59:32,946 If it was not for Covid-19, 975 00:59:32,971 --> 00:59:38,117 we would have seen and heard a lot more from this couple. 976 00:59:38,142 --> 00:59:42,587 They are holed up in a rented £80 million mansion. 977 01:00:01,371 --> 01:00:05,346 Meghan and Harry have begun their new journey in Los Angeles, 978 01:00:05,371 --> 01:00:08,137 and, released from the shackles of the British monarchy, 979 01:00:08,162 --> 01:00:09,577 their new life is laid bare 980 01:00:09,602 --> 01:00:12,887 in a revelatory new book, Finding Freedom. 981 01:00:12,912 --> 01:00:14,497 But are they? 982 01:00:14,522 --> 01:00:17,457 I think moving to LA, to California, 983 01:00:17,482 --> 01:00:19,416 they have found a lot of freedom, 984 01:00:19,441 --> 01:00:22,137 at least a lot compared to what they were having 985 01:00:22,162 --> 01:00:24,166 over here in the UK. 986 01:00:24,191 --> 01:00:25,887 It's just different over there. 987 01:00:25,912 --> 01:00:28,057 It's more laid back. It's easier. 988 01:00:28,082 --> 01:00:30,497 It's a slower pace of life. 989 01:00:30,522 --> 01:00:33,247 And I think that's gonna be good for the both of them. 990 01:00:33,272 --> 01:00:36,216 They really need to try and take a bit of time out 991 01:00:36,241 --> 01:00:40,216 and maybe realise what they want, what their future looks like. 992 01:00:40,241 --> 01:00:44,577 They're not in the public eye as much as they were over here. 993 01:00:44,602 --> 01:00:49,096 So I think they've got a real opportunity to slow down, 994 01:00:49,121 --> 01:00:52,937 to figure it out, and to find happiness. 995 01:00:52,962 --> 01:00:55,137 But if finding freedom is their goal, 996 01:00:55,162 --> 01:00:59,697 2020 hasn't been the easiest year in which to achieve it. 997 01:00:59,722 --> 01:01:02,377 Have they actually found freedom? 998 01:01:02,402 --> 01:01:03,527 Not really. 999 01:01:03,552 --> 01:01:05,887 No-one could have predicted this pandemic. 1000 01:01:05,912 --> 01:01:09,057 But the reality is that they are holed up 1001 01:01:09,082 --> 01:01:12,857 in a rented £80 million mansion in Beverly Hills, 1002 01:01:12,882 --> 01:01:15,447 taking on the paparazzi because they believe 1003 01:01:15,472 --> 01:01:19,017 they have invaded their privacy by taking pictures of them. 1004 01:01:19,042 --> 01:01:22,346 The idea that they are almost prisoners in their own home 1005 01:01:22,371 --> 01:01:25,527 doesn't suggest that they have found freedom. 1006 01:01:26,602 --> 01:01:29,857 The Duke and Duchess of Sussex launched another legal action, 1007 01:01:29,882 --> 01:01:31,057 this time in the US, 1008 01:01:31,082 --> 01:01:33,247 after drones were allegedly used 1009 01:01:33,272 --> 01:01:36,987 to take pictures of their infant son, Archie. 1010 01:01:37,012 --> 01:01:40,296 These reports of the drone that's flying over their LA home 1011 01:01:40,321 --> 01:01:41,887 and they're trying to find that person 1012 01:01:41,912 --> 01:01:43,807 and then they will sue that person 1013 01:01:43,832 --> 01:01:46,887 goes to show you that they will not put up with 1014 01:01:46,912 --> 01:01:49,937 the invasion of their privacy at all. 1015 01:01:52,321 --> 01:01:54,987 Some believe that for a couple seeking freedom 1016 01:01:55,012 --> 01:01:56,937 and wary of the paparazzi, 1017 01:01:56,962 --> 01:02:00,137 moving to Los Angeles was a strange choice. 1018 01:02:00,162 --> 01:02:03,346 That remains the great paradox of a decision 1019 01:02:03,371 --> 01:02:07,096 to move out of the royal family to avoid the limelight 1020 01:02:07,121 --> 01:02:10,017 and move to a place where the limelight shines brighter 1021 01:02:10,042 --> 01:02:11,987 than anywhere else in the world. 1022 01:02:12,012 --> 01:02:15,166 They've gone to the pap capital of the world. 1023 01:02:15,191 --> 01:02:18,346 In LA, freedom of expression is paramount. 1024 01:02:18,371 --> 01:02:20,807 I think that we're seeing how they're trying to achieve 1025 01:02:20,832 --> 01:02:24,057 the privacy that they want, by suing publications. 1026 01:02:24,082 --> 01:02:28,377 And they probably won't stop until they stop being pursued. 1027 01:02:28,402 --> 01:02:33,267 So I think this will definitely put caution in a lot ofjournalists 1028 01:02:33,292 --> 01:02:34,887 and a lot of photographers 1029 01:02:34,912 --> 01:02:38,057 and being very, very careful about what they print. 1030 01:02:38,082 --> 01:02:40,267 The Sussexes battle is far from over 1031 01:02:40,292 --> 01:02:42,697 when it comes to protecting their privacy. 1032 01:02:42,722 --> 01:02:44,057 But what does the future hold 1033 01:02:44,082 --> 01:02:47,267 when it comes to their financial freedom? 1034 01:02:47,292 --> 01:02:49,577 I think we're going to see a lot more 1035 01:02:49,602 --> 01:02:52,057 of Meghan and Harry making speeches. 1036 01:02:52,082 --> 01:02:54,267 I've been told the Obamas' business model 1037 01:02:54,292 --> 01:02:56,777 is something that they're very much aspiring to, 1038 01:02:56,802 --> 01:02:59,657 which could earn them a very lucrative income indeed. 1039 01:02:59,682 --> 01:03:01,857 I mean, public speaking engagements alone 1040 01:03:01,882 --> 01:03:05,416 could earn the couple hundreds of thousands of dollars. 1041 01:03:25,552 --> 01:03:29,086 There's much speculation about the path that Meghan will take, 1042 01:03:29,111 --> 01:03:31,017 but what about Prince Harry? 1043 01:03:31,042 --> 01:03:32,627 The break from the royal family 1044 01:03:32,652 --> 01:03:35,527 meant giving up all his military titles 1045 01:03:35,552 --> 01:03:38,336 and which took up an awful lot of his time. 1046 01:03:38,361 --> 01:03:40,657 I think he probably took that quite hard, 1047 01:03:40,682 --> 01:03:42,857 and I think that was a bit harsh, 1048 01:03:42,882 --> 01:03:45,627 but I'm hoping that he can continue to work with veterans 1049 01:03:45,652 --> 01:03:47,937 in some form, perhaps in America, 1050 01:03:47,962 --> 01:03:49,657 and continue that line of work 1051 01:03:49,682 --> 01:03:52,247 because he was genuinely passionate about it. 1052 01:03:53,932 --> 01:03:57,267 If, as seems likely, Harry has more difficulty than Meghan 1053 01:03:57,292 --> 01:03:59,267 in acclimatising to this new life, 1054 01:03:59,292 --> 01:04:03,296 might some kind of return to the royal fold be possible? 1055 01:04:03,321 --> 01:04:06,627 The queen gave them this option of the trial period. 1056 01:04:06,652 --> 01:04:08,887 You know, see how you fare after 12 months 1057 01:04:08,912 --> 01:04:10,577 and see if it's working for you. 1058 01:04:10,602 --> 01:04:13,137 Partly through coronavirus 1059 01:04:13,162 --> 01:04:17,657 and partly through the way they have handled things, 1060 01:04:17,682 --> 01:04:20,137 what they hoped to achieve 1061 01:04:20,162 --> 01:04:25,057 is clearly turning out to be more of an uphill struggle 1062 01:04:25,082 --> 01:04:27,937 than they would have envisaged initially. 1063 01:04:27,962 --> 01:04:29,807 Who knows? 1064 01:04:29,832 --> 01:04:32,627 I don't think they know what they're going to be doing 1065 01:04:32,652 --> 01:04:35,807 between now and next week, much less next year. 1066 01:04:35,832 --> 01:04:38,577 There were headlines in some of the tabloid press 1067 01:04:38,602 --> 01:04:40,447 after the serialisation 1068 01:04:40,472 --> 01:04:43,416 that, you know, there was no way back after this, 1069 01:04:43,441 --> 01:04:44,977 after the revelations, 1070 01:04:45,002 --> 01:04:47,627 after airing their dirty laundry in public. 1071 01:04:47,652 --> 01:04:50,086 That, you know, this was it for the Sussexes. 1072 01:04:50,111 --> 01:04:51,527 I'm not so sure. 1073 01:04:51,552 --> 01:04:55,586 While I don't think they will go back to a royal role as such, 1074 01:04:55,611 --> 01:05:00,686 Harry remains, in spite of what's been said and what's happened, 1075 01:05:00,711 --> 01:05:03,596 deeply loved by his family. 1076 01:05:05,561 --> 01:05:08,616 Whatever the future might hold for the former royal couple, 1077 01:05:08,641 --> 01:05:11,616 it seems that, for now, a return to the House of Windsor 1078 01:05:11,641 --> 01:05:14,175 is very far from their minds. 1079 01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:18,656 I think that they will get it right over there. 1080 01:05:18,681 --> 01:05:21,175 You know, I hope that they will do 1081 01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:24,125 exciting and amazing things together, 1082 01:05:24,150 --> 01:05:26,616 become financially independent 1083 01:05:26,641 --> 01:05:28,536 and live a peaceful life, 1084 01:05:28,561 --> 01:05:31,536 which I suspect is what they both want. 1085 01:05:31,561 --> 01:05:33,226 I applaud Harry and Meghan 1086 01:05:33,251 --> 01:05:34,936 for standing up for what they believe 1087 01:05:34,961 --> 01:05:38,045 and wanting to carve out a life for themselves 1088 01:05:38,070 --> 01:05:39,936 that makes them happy. 1089 01:05:39,961 --> 01:05:43,226 That should ultimately be what we all want for them. 1090 01:05:56,611 --> 01:05:59,816 In 2018, William, Harry, Kate and Meghan 1091 01:05:59,841 --> 01:06:02,295 were being hailed as the golden generation 1092 01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:05,255 who'd build a new 21st century monarchy. 1093 01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:08,656 In just two years, that dream has shattered. 1094 01:06:08,681 --> 01:06:12,616 How? Finding Freedom certainly doesn't have all the answers, 1095 01:06:12,641 --> 01:06:14,866 but it does reveal the open wounds 1096 01:06:14,891 --> 01:06:17,096 currently blighting the royal family, 1097 01:06:17,121 --> 01:06:20,045 and some say rub salt into them. 1098 01:06:20,070 --> 01:06:22,406 There are two sides to every story. 1099 01:06:22,431 --> 01:06:23,976 Which one to believe - 1100 01:06:24,001 --> 01:06:25,686 that's up to you. 1101 01:06:37,001 --> 01:06:41,736 Subtitles by Red Bee Media 94098

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