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Charlie chaplin died today at his home in switzerland

the great comedian was 88 and his doctor said there really was no specific cause

You can say he died of old age the doctors told reporters

There are very few of us from small children to the very old whose lives were not in some way touched

by the genius of this

Comedian he passed away on christmas day

1977

December 25th

All the family was at the manoa

Celebrating christmas, but all the family was pretty sad because the family knew since a few days that charlie was

Weak and weak each day more. So he was very sick at the end and charlie died when he was sleeping

Oona was just nearby him we found in the agenda of ona

a writing she wrote 4 15 am

Sisi died with me alone. Oh my god

So she wrote this sentence in his in her agenda on december 25 at 4 15 a.m

so

He died here in this manual and all the family was nearby him at this moment

If i'm not wrong wc fields also died on christmas day. Maybe it's a day for

for comedians to die, but it's

it was very touching because

charlie had very ambivalent things about christmas because um

He always seems to be a bit reproachful to his own children when I was a child

I felt myself very lucky if I got an orange at christmas

um

and

I don't know they

I think they say that he didn't like christmas. But uh

I would think his feelings were ambivalent. I'm sure that he did like having his family around him

As rain brought down in the town of corsia this morning

The body of one of film's great icons was laid to rest in a quiet village graveyard

The simple service attended only by chaplain's family and close friends had little fanfare

Chaplain had wanted it that way

His plain wooden coffin was covered with five dozen red roses

Chaplin's widow. Una was surrounded by her grieving children at the grave site

There was a short eulogy for the man whose films had been admired for six decades

Followed by a brief prayer the ceremony lasted only a few minutes

Then chaplin was buried in the village where he had lived for the last 25 years

With the passing of charlie chaplin, the world has lost one of this century's truly great artists

But his creation the little tramp and the baggy pants has already gained chaplin more than his measure of immortality

The body of film icon charlie chaplin was stolen from a cemetery in switzerland last night

Police are yet to issue a statement in what has been declared a strange case of life imitating art

It is probably one of the most unobtrusive graves in the village cemetery

It's now decorated with tulips daffodils crocus and hyacinths put here by the police

But until this morning there was a wooden cross at the head of the grave there, which said simply charlie chaplin

The examining magistrate

Is in fact the one who in who is in charge?

Overall of the investigation it's the same case in france

He's the one who starts the investigation and he gives to the police

the task of

Investigating but he is the supervisor

of it all

all acts of the police are

Go back to the examining magistrates

Correspondence

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Speculations

Foreign and charlie's story is

Nearly unbelievable, I mean it is the biggest rankster richie's story there ever was uh,

He when he was born his parents were okay

But they they split up his mother had a a a child by another musical artist the father left

And mrs. Chaplin was left

with these two boys one of whom was by her husband the other had

Been born before she was married

charlie, and sydney

and

They were incredibly poor

Sometimes

Often there was not enough to eat

there were certainly no clothes and

Constantly they were they were having to go to the workhouse for

help

uh

But charlie and sydney were eventually put into homes for destitute children

Charlie was there for about a year and this this was obviously a terrible time for him. And uh

Any normal child was just laying down and died with the kind of life. He lived in his first, uh,

Ten years. I mean he saw drunkness. He saw madness

His mother went his mother lost her reason I think from secondary syphilis his grandmother lost her reason he saw

his father died of alcoholism

He learned to

To do pantomime and to sing and to act in the street begging

to to eat

so his very poor and difficult childhood, uh

Had a very important influence the way he was writing his scripts

The tramp for example is a very poor person the trend is such a representation of his childhood

The trend is also a representation of the people

He was knowing in the district where he was living because he was living in a very poor district

he said that he

He remembered that there was a man walking like a duck when he was a kid

I think that the tramp

Is such a representation of what was the difficulties and the poor aspect of his childhood?

Childhood life he got uh, got a job in the theater. He got a job

with a troupe of

juvenile dancers the eight lancashire lads

and uh

He he with the eight lancashire lives. They got quite good dates. He toured all the english

Musicals and uh really learned what the theater was

finally

Followed his brother sydney

into

a company called uh

fred carner speechless comedians fred carner was

he was the equivalent of

of max senate

In film, I mean, he was a great impresario of comedy

Anyway, he's chosen to go and lead the lead the car. No company that toured america in 1910

He taught america for a long time and it was while he was touring with the carno company in

1913 that he gets uh, or at least the the company get a telegram saying is there a

A man called chaffin or something in your company. Can he come and see?

Sasha's such a lawyer

I think in new york

And uh charlie was excited because he he knew he had some american relations

He thought one of them had died and left him some money

but they hadn't what he was what happened was that he was getting in uh, he was

Being invited by the keystone comedy company of hollywood

Uh to to join them and and and he was offered. Uh,

I think 125 dollars a week, which is about

Four times what he's getting with the car nose in his first year at keystone. Um,

He made more than 30 films because you know

It only took her

It only took a week or even a couple of days to make a film at that time from keystone

he went uh

He moved on to the sna company from the sn8 company

The first the hollywood's first million dollar crop contract with a mutual film company

And in 1918 he built his own studio and after that

He's independent

By the middle of 1915, I mean his he was

Already want to say world famous, er, the the the the

Considering it was before the days of radio television or all those media

The explosion of of this fame was was astonishing um,

And uh people spoke of chaplinitis

It was quite extraordinary. So from 1915 he was um

His his fame was

So limitless and this this really went on um until the war

Calling the house on american activities committee to order chairman j parnell

thomas of new jersey opens an inquiry into possible communist penetration of the hollywood film industry

The committee is seeking to determine if red party members have reached the screen with subversive propaganda

it was the height of the mccarthy period and the the the witch hunting and um

The the the the the house south american activities committee, uh

hollywood's a very good target for them because he got a lot of publicity and of course one of the best people

was chaplin and chaplin was wide open to them because he was

he was an

Alien, he was still he still had an english passport. He was living in america

and

uh, he was very much loved by uh by the left, but they could never actually they for years for

Decades, they were trying to sort of show that he was associated with the communist party

they gave money to the communist party, but they they never

There was never interest they could never get anything

so they were rather frustrated and then uh, there was

A big uh, a paternity suit brought against him

and that's fascinating and it's something I want to write a book about really because

it

it it appeared to be a normal paternity suit, but it was not it was completely stage managed by the

Fbi as the fbi

Uh papers on chaplin show. We did some movies the week criticizes the american society

Was very

difficult and very badly received by the some people in the power in the united states during this period so

He was a victim of mechatism after the second war

as we remember the war was divided into

The east and the west and it was the beginning of the cold war and during the cold war. Uh

you were on the right side or in the bad side and the

In the united states at the end of the 40s after the war

The power in that in the united states were very very feared about the expansion of communism and socialism around the world

And they were seeing charlie chaplin as a bad communism as a bad socialist

So there was a movement in the extreme right in the united states that wanted

Charlie exparts from the united states because he was not a very good american citizen regarding the philosophy

of these people

When he

Made his last american film which was limelight

Uh for various reasons he wanted to open it in london

and so, uh, he also wanted to show his uh wife una and

Their young children he wanted to show them london his the time the time of his birth

So they set out

For london for the premiere of limelight

on september 1952

He was on the boat with his family on the queen elizabeth going to london for the inauguration of the movie limelight

which is a very uh, touching autobiographic movie and one when chaplin was on the boat, uh,

in 19

where in september 1952 he received a telegram saying that his word visa was not renewed that was

The marketism period that was a decision

taken by edgar, hoover and mccarthy

They just wanted to get rid of charlie chapman in united states because they were thinking he was a communist

He was a socialist he was

he was too too social uh, because he did the

The modern times the great dictator, etc. You'd have to go to this island. You have to go through all the

the the

Immigration process we have an idea of touring beautiful england and going to all the historical spots

Naturally, we'll go to stratfor

Up to scotland and edinburgh and all that my this is the first time that my wife has

Ever been abroad and so naturally we're going to try and cram in as much as we can

One thing would you comment sir on this proposed ban on your re-entry and understand? Uh

we I i've already I can only reiterate what I said before I suppose I

Presume and that that's already been published

Thank you

It's interesting because again in the fbi papers one learns, they knew they really had

No right to do that and they knew

that if he did go back there would be a big scandal and that

They would probably come up worse however chaplin chose not to go back as he said to that unhappy country

Um, he chose it said to

Live in europe and uh, he chose to live in switzerland because uh,

In switzerland the financial situation was a lot easier

With taxes, so so that is why he was living where he chose to spend his last

years in switzerland

Affair

For example

Something such chaplinesque arrived a few weeks after he dead his coffin was stolen

Yes, I think charlie would actually rather appreciated this story because it it it had the makings of a keystone two-reeler

um, he'd been buried for uh,

Nine weeks, uh when the seventies uh superintendent

Uh went to the cemetery one morning and discovered that the grave had been dug up and that there was no coffin there

but evidently

Dad came one day at home and said you know what?

the

it seems that they stole the coffin of charlie chaplin in the cemetery of uh cozy and

We had a phone call from the family saying that you know, something was wrong

the

Grave was open and the coffin had disappeared and we are wondering what it was about. So it was

Probably quite early

In the probably early march when I arrived in the cemetery

I saw the hole I said

To the policemen try to find

And

They said only we are trying but we find we are feeling finding nothing

But I say said after

Shut the grove

let that shuttle to go and after when the people's

The papers came it was nothing more to see

And the difficulty I gave the order to the police to make all investigations

useful

to find an indictive inductive

identify the authors

That was my job at the beginning

But I worked

Together with

Two policemen one more principle. I worked we worked together. He came to murphy he discussed what he had done

and

As he said to me, perhaps we will do

and

I said everything it was good. I gave the orders it was in order

They left nothing at all, we have found

a trace of tyre

But it came from another vehicle

Which came the day before or saturday to do some job here

He was also working in vive not only in lausanne but in verve

Which is the town next to one of the town next to lausanne?

and he was he's been where he had been working already quite uh many times with

examining george in question

and it

Was you know by uh, because he he worked in vive that you know it arrived it it came

that he

Was put in charge of that

I think at the beginning these they thought it could be fans of charlie chaplin who had done that and they thought no

vandalism

People angry

People

Anti-semitism for whatever reason they they thought that you know charlie chaplin was a

a

symbol of

Jewishness or something? Like I remember that some people just say that

Oh, yes, they they thought it was

They thought it was neo nuts is getting their own back for the great dictator. That was one thing

Uh, and of course, there was always the myth that that that chaplain was was was a jew and he wasn't though later

You know when when the nazis?

Included amongst the the evil jews. He said I will never i'll never again deny that i'm a jew

But he wasn't jewish, however, there was the idea uh that these were

anti-semites, uh

Offended because uh a jew had been buried in a christian

churchyard foolish foolish notions

Foreign

Foreign

After having

having taken the coffee

out of from the earth they have

drawed it

Until here and they charged it here. It was very interesting. He was

tense in a way because he wanted to know he

And the first weeks in fact, nothing really happened. There was no ransom

there was no

They couldn't find

Anything they had no clue

There was no traces on of anything. I think there was some some tyre

marks in the cemetery, but

That I remember but finally they found out that those tire marks were the ones

Of the uh, the guy who was in charge of the cemetery

Of the maintenance so they thought oh, maybe we have something but there was absolutely nothing no clue

No, id and when they started to have those phone calls to go through all the phone calls they received

and a lot of them were

from crazy people who were saying anything

And found out that maybe this one and this one were serious

They started to think okay. Well now we have something now. We have to find out who they are

And where they could come from they have an accent

We have to consult a specialist

uh

Maybe they are from around here. Maybe not the policeman

who was the chief of link of the

researchers

He had he was wonderful

He said to mr. Chaplin

As true as I am here. We will find the body of your husband

We had any idea

One people said to her it is in the rhone valley you see is in romania. It's a little

It's a vegan. It's not easy to find

That's the only thing we had not

controlled

But all we received as mailed as phones and so on we had controlled anything

for example

We had nowadays

Kids

Because of course a lot of them volunteered you always have also a number of people who

Volunteer giving you or you know in my dreams in my

The other day when I was driving I thought you know, I had I had an elimination

I think uh, I think

the the coffin is there and there so they had a number of people like this who called them, but they also had

a

reputable

psychic

who had

ideas of where the coffin could be

and I think they they

They listened to one

and

Remember my dad saying well we can always try

But I doubt that, you know, we'll have any any clue in and this one in fact said oh

Yes, it's buried

Between the area and that area which is probably I don't know

150 kilometers

Long by 40 wide so it was ridiculous, but it's true. It wasn't there but you know switzerland is not very big

those guys probably

Of course didn't go very far

Because they did that during the night. They couldn't go to another country with a coffin in their van

so

They thought it would not be very far. But still they couldn't start digging

An area of you know, 800 kilometers square kilometers

but

because they had

some of them and some of those uh

Kind of people calling they thought oh, maybe we could listen to one and see what happened

They also had a number of other people of

you know a member of the public calling and

Saying I know i've seen something

I know i've seen people digging

In a field near my house. I've seen this actually and one of them

was

a um a prank

I received the phone

Reci at home

During the night from a saturday to sunday

I received the phone and they said to me tantore. I know that you are looking for the

the body of chaplin

the body is

in a certain place in the form between this village and this

Other village you will find it there

It was about two o'clock

I phoned to my policeman who was working with me

I said I received the phone

We will control him say okay, we control and we were between six o'clock

Just be in the village to near the farm. We went from six o'clock. We entered the farm

And we found a couple of young people

Naked in the bed

Morning

All sorts of people asked for a ransom

some of them were

Fantasists some of them

Seemed real and finally they had phone calls

That the uh, the police

Uh took really seriously

Thinking that might be the people who stole the the coffin

Uh, why did they stole the coffin? They had no idea but

With time passing

They imagined that it was for a ransom

One of the authors phoned his phone to the family

and

to

the family owner chaplin

and he said

He wanted one million swiss francs

And

They said nothing they we will see we will

Think to that and so on

and

From this beginning to the end of the inquiry to the moment where the author was

Caught

It was a game of between a cat and a mouse

see

the the author said

six

hundred thousand dollars

Then six hundred dollar six hundred thousand swiss francs, which is not the same

and finally

five hundred thousand swiss francs

but the

difficulties for being for us for the police and for me

was the

Journalists

Not the swiss one because the swiss one they know they knew that they had no right to

Ask for something, you know during an inquiry they knew that

They let us do our job and without

Coming in

but those one from french from england and so on they

Came they phoned

and they phoned

About a hundred times more

And it was I feared the author he asked for money two days after

But the people they asked the phone to the police can you say

something

And they say no no, no, no no, no, no

And I fear that perhaps with a question somebody could you yes, they have asked for money

And I decided all the phones came to me

Either in my office or at home and received

Phones, I received

Paper writers from the states they came from the states

One saturday afternoon. I was working in my garden

and they asked if I had children they were

the stupid question

in debt

And I say no no no

I are they asking for money. No, no

and

it was my

I lied to those

people because

if I had

Said to them the that the authors asked for money. They would make a great

great papers, they asked actually they asked money they want a million and so on and

I wanted to calm calm come

Yeah, I think there was a bit of pressure. I think the the most of the pressure was taken by the uh,

the examining magistrate

He was the one who received all the of course my father from his

superintendent

Uh because there was somebody above him anyway as well

But the one who I think had all the pressure was the examining magistrate

To work

in my job

That you have you need?

Not only the brain but the eyes the mouth

and everything

At a certain time

the family

Mrs. Geraldine chaplin, she was answering to the phone most time I had

Asked for photographs. If you have a photo from you can prove me that you have taken the

The body they had a photograph of the coffin which they sent

Which they took just before they buried it again and was it possible to identify where that coffin was? No, no, certainly not no

In fact, they took the photo before yes when the day

They stole it before I think bearing they took a picture

and kept it thinking um, we might need it for proof that we did it oona at the time said, um,

charlie's in heaven in my heart

And uh charlie had always

Said if i'm ransomed don't pay them. I don't know

What principally he he said that but anyway, he was he in his lifetime

Very adamant that if he were ever ransom they were not to pay. So they I think that they would certainly have

Felt it would have been his will

Not to pay for a lead line coffin

and the body

since the beginning

We have given to mrs. Una chaplin the rate to pay nothing

Absolutely, nothing

and

the lawyer of the family or said oh we could could give

Something to no no, no nothing at all

Because it is not in our tradition to pay

something pashu

who discussed that with the author but

To me to the lawyer. We said we do

We judge and policeman nothing to pay nothing, but he the lawyer said other family

He could pay something, but he tried

to

Have a

lower price to to give

in order

to attract

The author I think in all they made

27 phone calls

uh demanding the ransom and uh

Geraldine was at the house and geraldine really took charge and she answered all signs of the phone calls, and she

She kept them hanging on with with

With

Displays of her of her desperation and grief so that they they always came back. I I think um,

I mean, I think geraldine was doing your performance very much. You know the uh,

The the grief and the anxiety. Um

I think

I would think they were just protecting oona I don't I think that the family was just uh

Astonished about that. They didn't understand what was going on

And they wanted to get rid of the situation as fast as possible

I think that they were really sad and

Especially onna and the family lived this situation with a very very sad way it wasn't

It was very difficult for them. I think to live this

this tragic

Experience the children were scared. The family was very scared. Oona was very troubled about all that

It was a very difficult situation for the family

At first it was it was sort of comic then it became less comic because they were making

very nasty threats against the younger children

and christopher the youngest boy

They said they were going to shoot up his legs when he was on his way to school. And so he had a

Hidden police escort whenever he went to school

What happened to the coffin of her husband because she had many calls from

Saying that we will kidnap your kids your children we will

We will touch to your kids and to your family if you don't pay

So she had many cars of this kind and that made her very nervous

I think it gave a new

Urgency to the the affair, uh suddenly it was not a

Non-violent, you know the the the person nobody was in danger, really?

Uh, it was extremely respectful. It was extremely

uh

unsociable

To do such a thing, but then I think it gave another dimension

and

they started to

Really think we have to find out who because if they make threats

Whether they are

Well made

They sound professional they sound really menacing or not. We have to do something because it could become dangerous

At that moment I could feel that you know

It was like a a dog. Would you give a bone to a dog and

He would go

You know to the end

It was also a very difficult period for my father because his father my grandfather

Was very sick. I was

And he had to be hospitalized

And they were very close and I think that added

maybe to his

Tension

He had he had his work, but he had lots on his plate

With grandpa who was sick

It was a very a highly

Emotional time I guess

because of all of this

And grandpa was very worried

when

my father told him we are going to we had a

Ransom demand and we are going to go and bring the ransom and I will go and bring it

Uh, I will go as these guys, uh, as you know, these guys as the chauffeur

and I will go we'll drive the

The the family car which was a rolls royce. I'm a bit worried about it. I hope I will not

Break it because that's about three years of my salary. So, um

And granddad said oh, you know

Don't hesitate if you have to uh, shoot those bastards do it set the discussion

They decided that

They they would sell they told the guys I guess they told the uh,

The uh, the guys that they would come, uh, they will bring the ransom

Uh, it would be obvious obvious because they would bring it in the rolls-royce the they will send the chauffeur the family chauffeur

with the ransom

In the I think it was a road source. Yes

um, and um

That you know, the the there would be no mistake

The guy the the guys would recognize it. I guess it was the id

And uh, yes, they decided not to send the drive the chauffeur

But they decided to send somebody disguised at the chauffeur they volunteered to go

the we had a problem with the size of the uniform or the uniform like

Because the actual chauffeur I think was much taller than that and had a bigger head or smaller head

anyway, the

It didn't work. So we had to find not only a vest but also

a hat

And uh we, uh, we we talked about it at home

I remember that he came back home and he said I have to find you know

uh

A hat and I have to find a jacket. What do you think? I could use? I can't use my ceremony uniform the police

uniform not really

I

We have to find something and we thought about what we still had in the in the storage, uh downstairs

We thought about his swiss air uniform because uh in the beginning of the 70s, uh

the swissair airline swiss airline company

Decided to have security agents on their planes after all the terrorist attacks

of the 70s in europe

and they re they offered the jobs to

police men

of all over switzerland

And the volunteer could you know just volunteer and say okay i'm going to go for three months and travel all over the world?

on planes with swissair as security agents

And dad did that because he couldn't resist

They thought that would be a great job and they gave them

of course all of them at a uniform because each time they were getting out of the plane they had to

Be in uniform because they were supposed to belong to the swiss air crews

So we still had that uniform because it was made

by on measure

so

we went to the

Cellar downstairs and we got the jacket

and we got the cap and

The hat had of course the swiss air logo, so we had to delicately remove it

and leave the

the stripe around

so he used that the the author said

We went I want the ransom. I want one million

It must be pushed

at any place

At any time he gave the date and so on

we prepared quite a nest to create it but

He float away

At the the last moment

He went to the place he saw that it was surveyed probably

but

He had cut the contact. Nothing happened. I think they never came they didn't show up

They might have thought that it was a trap. I wonder

They might have thought oh, this is dangerous or it was too exposed

No, there was something

There was a poster that post tall

employees

who made the whole thing go down because he

he

recognized the car

But not the chauffeur there was something somebody interfere by mistake by chance

and

everything

Fell down because you know the whole plan

Was

Completely eradicated because of that person

I think it was it was not volunteer a voluntary

intervention it was

between a mouse and a cat we wear the cat he wants the mouth and

It's if you look after a cat and a mouse, you will see that they are not always

Some times the cat

He jumps

The mouse went away and so on the mouse came home

It was like that

When you start an investigation obviously you put a lot on p of people

Uh on the on the affair

and when nothing was happening anymore, uh

In fact, my father's was almost the only one

left

He spent I remember that he spent

Weeks

Not weeks maybe days or three or four days a week over there at the manoa

Because they were trying to they were waiting for phone calls. For example, how many people

How many policemen have you in the inquiry?

I said

Some days more than another day, I never gave the number because

It was worldwide

And if I had said only two one two

are working on they said

Those swiss people they are completely greedy for such an affair to put two policemen

But in the day where he was arrested

then

by that day

I had

almost

More than 200 policemen engaged

Because to to

Arrest the author. We had used we used technical means

Technical means

now it is old-time means but

By that time it was it was to put under

The eyes of policemen all the foreign cabin of lausanne

It was getting much uglier

uh, but at the same time, uh, the

The the the body status were getting a bit more careless. And at first they they they

went far away from uh

from lausanne where they were based

uh to make their phone calls they moved around, but they got lazy and

Finally, they realized all the calls were being made from lausanne

the problem was

to fight to to find out how

to

Have a look at all those telephone boxes at the same time

250 or something of them

uh, and the police force is not that big at least the uh you

the plainclothes police

Didn't have enough personal

so they had to

Recruit the uniformed police. So the

the town police

and

more

troops

to

Look uh to look at those all those telephone boxes at the same time

Telephonic yeah

He was certain that he could get something

He was certain because he never said whether the but you are

he was

Incensed he was already asking for money always

and he thought

he could get money at the last time too because

At a certain time at the end of the inquiry

The family chaplain they saw perhaps

the daughter

She said we won't discuss anymore with you you have to take contact with mr

Our lawyer

And

From that time the discussions were between

vardars and

the lawyer

And it was we discussed with the lawyer. We said we have the intention

to pick in

in the fact, but

If he will phone

You say he'll have to phone what he was on a friday if you remember when and he fall on a friday

And it was decided that the skittery said to vardas

Mr. Felix pashu the lawyer is

Must go away. He had to go away for something important

He asked you to phone the game on monday morning at?

eight at

Nine o'clock fifty forty thirty thirty

and

by that time all the

I mean were on surveillance and he phoned by that time

And he could be courted by that and uh at that moment the police

Had every, uh phone box covered

and uh

so

The call came and boom. Uh, the the police went some people got some rather nasty shocks

when they were just making english and phone calls, but they didn't get they didn't get the

They did get to mr. Vardash

Club

He was arrested here

About us he was alone

And the policeman they were hidden or surveying in the region he came they said by radio

The phone to the studies of mr. Fashu

Is from here and the

Intervention and the it was caught here

In the afternoon, he was caught in the morning. He was uh,

they discussed he discussed I went to him also, and I said to him now the

Vegetables are cooked. You have to give up and to say what you rain

And he saw it was useless to deny

He was clever enough to understand that he was caught and he said yes, I recognize

admit that and where is the body and he said I can

It is in the round valley here

and uh

Can you?

Indicate us where it is. Yes

And we we it we took have taken him in the car to show us where it was in the afternoon

He when we were there here

But he said it is almost here. I don't remember exactly

because

When they went it was in during the night

They entered and it was it was dark

And they they make a hole

80 centimeters

Almost they put inside and with 80 sentiments

The farmer he could

Go with the machine nothing was going on

like that 30 centimeters almost

And it is reason for which he couldn't recognize exactly whether it was

He said to us it was between here and between here

Wow almost

200 or 300 quarter meters almost almost

but he couldn't he said oh it is a two or three or four meters from the range of the

But I don't remember exactly if it is here or here or here

We were ready to

make hold all the day if necessary, but

It was a chance

Oh we had made

three or four different

uh holes

and it was the reason for which

As very many

People were coming on the on the way near

I said we stopped now we can we'll come

again tomorrow morning at four o'clock

And uh and at six o'clock it was found. Oh boy

between five and six another jose on the party dubois

Landlord memphis

Foreign

Foreign it was just here

At about

Yeah

Three or four meters here just here

His dr. Victoria

Told me that his father told her once

When I will be dead

That would be funny if I would be

lying in the land

Where flowers

are

and when

They found his coffin in such a land full of flowers

And victoria told me there is something very special what my father predict when he was alive

Was exactly what he lived uh in his coffin, uh when he was

When when he disappeared from the cemetery, uno is rather touched because they put it into such a nice place

It was a place where mr. Bardash liked to go fishing and it was at the corner of a

farmer's field and the farmer himself when when the uh,

Coffin was discovered and removed the farmer itself

Put a little wooden cross there with a cane on it which I think was very touching

The day after their triumph two top swiss investigators who found the chaplain coffin today called at the family home

in corsiere near lake geneva

Met by the chaplain's immaculate butler the two officers told me they'd come to give lady chaplin an updated account of their inquiries

They said they were now sure that only two men had been involved in the ransom demand

Lady chaplin has lived here 25 years and despite her usual reluctance to give interviews today

She was pleased enough to describe her reaction to yesterday's news

Oh, I was very very happy. Of course

And thrilled with the swiss police who were marvelous

They kept on the job, you know for two months. I got discouraged but they didn't. Oh happy. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes

Yes, I remember they said oh we got them this time

Unfortunately my

My grandpa died before the just before

the end of this affair

and

Never knew what happened. And that said I wish I could have you know, tell him finally, you know, I found out

These are the guys and when we opened the the caves we have something it was charlie

He was good conserved

Because he had been in water for a few times he was a little uh,

Like we he flattered a hand in the altar during 15 minutes

it's like that but

After we have closed the machine we

And we given the the body back to the family hello

It is a cement with

it is very

Heavy it would be very hard to take it away

In italy

somebody had picked up such a

Dead man in the earth

Asked for money and given the the the body back

And they wanted to do the same

Because they had read in the papers that

charlie chaplin was dead on the

25th of december

77

and he was

put in

the cemetery two days after

and so on as a matter of fact

The guys were coming we came from the eastern bloc country one polish one

Bulgarian and that they had that idea of stealing a coffin because it was non-violent

They made just a mistake when they got very impatient. They

Threaten the family the children of the family the other one he was chosen chosen by

Vardars because he was very strong

He was higher than him or strong man and he needed something somebody strong to to

To take the case he received the comments on

I think according to their own story their idea was not greeted but to

steal the body but to

dig dig

Dig up the coffin and bury it rather deeper leaving what appeared to be an empty grave

however, uh

Not being very good at these things. They had chosen a very very

Reign united

And so when they started to dig they were sort of struggling with mud

and their whole business of reburying the body was just too difficult, so they were stuck with having to

uh just to to take the coffin away and

Inside the wooden coffin was a lead coffin. So it's a very very, uh, uh heavy burden

somehow they got it into their car and they took it off and

unburied it

I think that at the end everybody was very happy that ev everything was okay that the coffin came back to its place

and

the people who took this caffeine had to face the

Justice, and owner asked them ask to the justice to be as generous as possible with these two poor people

four years and a half of

jail

Or you get out?

After three years because in jail he conducted god

The other one he made only preventive jail

But

No, both of them

both

Have had never begun after they were clear now

It's finished for they turned the page they made the stupidity

Right not stupidities or infractions

Charlie chaplin was always keeping a distance from the tragedy

you know when when he was thinking about the

The economic crisis about the immigration in the united states about the fascism in in europe

He was always keeping a distance

between him and the tragedy

Giving him the possibility to laugh

and to to to

To laugh about this tragedy to make people laughing about this tragedy. So I think that

charlie chaplin would have probably

wrote a script

Of this kind, uh for his death probably charlie

He almost said that the the tragedy and comedy were very close

and uh

In fact the the the

Essentially the uh, the theft of the body is pure slapstick. You know, there's there's no real

There's no no real

Human motive there, except how can you extra money do this?

And there's a slapstick situation

it's very ironic, but it's very

Like chaplin was and it it is exactly like chaplin was seeing the word

He always wanted to laugh about stupidity of the world about the injustice

about the difficult aspect of life and societies

so for him he said

The most important thing in my work is to make people laughing if I don't make people laughing even about a tragedy

I will have

Not succeed my work. So for him to laugh even about the most difficult

Parts of life because life is tough life is difficult. So he decided to take a distance be

between

Facing this difficulty of living with this tool that was life

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