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Still Growing Up was a sort
of continuation of sorts really
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from the Growing Up Tour.
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It was doing it in a
different environment,
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and sort of get up on a stage,
concentrate on the music,
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a sort of sweatier,
dirtier thing in a lot of ways,
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in gigs that we wouldn't have
been able to take the big tour into.
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And the reason it's
Still Growing Up
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is because it's substantially
the same as Growing Up,
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but as in life, it's a long process
that carries on and on.
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Where the hell are we?
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We're landing in
Milan's Malpensa.
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We're in Lecce.
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Rome.
We're at the edge of Lake Geneva.
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In Chambéry.
Naples.
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We're here in Montecatini Terme.
We're now in Nice.
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The wonderful Greek
amphitheatre in Taormina.
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Beautiful place.
It's really hot here.
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On the first Growing Up Tour,
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there was quite a lot
of pressure and stress.
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There were some tensions
within the band.
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There always
are in any band.
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But on the
Still Growing Up Tour,
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the same people had got used to each
other's strengths and weaknesses.
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It was much more easy going.
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I think everyone felt there was a bit
more room to be themselves off stage
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and to be themselves
musically on stage.
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In Austria we started off,
I think, in the mountains, in snow,
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and then came down and played
by lakes or in town squares.
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It was a different type of tour
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with sort of less pressure
and more focus on the music.
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What's interesting is that there's
a whole different physical process
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when you just arrive at the
gig before you go on stage.
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So in these gigs,
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you can't sound check at
them cos they're festivals,
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so we're just coming
in and out.
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And it's more...
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I just remember the stars of
old arriving in their limousine,
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playing and then getting out.
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I think I generally do trust people.
I'm an optimist.
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I'd rather be in a world
where I trust people
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and I'm occasionally
disappointed,
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than one where
I'm afraid of being
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let down or done
over all the time
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and I'm occasionally surprised.
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The crew on any tour are the engine
that drives the whole thing,
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so, you've gotta
look after your crew.
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At the same time at
the beginning of a tour,
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you're torn in a
thousand directions.
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I find that once the tour's got
going it's easier sometimes then
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to try and connect and to spend a
bit of time with the crew and so on.
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We try and eat in the same
areas and that sort of thing.
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I mean, there is still
a them-and-us thing sometimes,
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but I think less so
than on a lot of tours.
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I think when you get it right,
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and you know you're innovating
or breaking through barriers,
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that's exciting and rewarding.
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I don't believe in this
concept of genius at all.
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I think, you know,
Einstein was probably a genius.
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But, you know, I'm also smart enough
to work with very talented people.
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David, well,
he's a sculptor.
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He still is,
with his approach to sound.
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A purist is probably
a good word for David.
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Rachel, I think,
is a mixture of
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Manhattan downtown
hipster, jazzer.
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She's sort of either right
in it or right out of it.
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Mel's fascinating to watch,
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and obviously as her dad,
I'm enormously proud.
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Tony, canny, lanky.
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Ged's the engine driver.
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He's also the most eager
to please in some ways.
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Rich...
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He makes me laugh
cos, you know,
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he's an enormously talented,
gifted musician
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and can handle almost any
musical problem thrown at him,
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but again,
there's a part of him
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that would be really playing
at being the rock star,
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but really loving it.
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I think there's quite a lot
of sort of your inner life
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which should be only let out
in appropriate situations
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with appropriate people.
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You know, that sometimes,
too much information is given,
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and we live in a pretty
dysfunctional world
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and celebrities and visible people
are often quite needy people,
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and so I think there's quite a lot
of baggage that comes with that.
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So although I think
it's really powerful
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from all the therapy
that I've done,
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when you do unload it
should be in the right place,
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at the right time,
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and most important of all,
to the right people.
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Anger, for instance.
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People will often dump
on the wrong person.
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Mr David Rhodes.
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Am I a good boss?
I think I try and be a fair boss.
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I think a lot of musicians I see,
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whenever they've got
dirty work to do,
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telling people they're not wanted
or they're doing something wrong,
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they'll often get managers or
somebody else to deliver the message.
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I don't do that,
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but I think sometimes, you know,
I'm not assertive enough
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with what I want or
what I feel about things.
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That fudges the issue sometimes
and makes it complicated.
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No dreams come without a bill,
you know,
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and people forget that sometimes
and I forget it sometimes.
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So I think the reality of
making something happen,
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most times,
it's just a ton of hard work.
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And I remember
having that clear dream
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whether I chose the farm
route or the music route,
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and I had pictured
performing at concerts,
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even though I didn't really
have a desire to be a singer,
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I wanted to be a drummer.
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So I felt I got a little
taste of the future.
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I wanted to be an engine
driver for a while.
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An opera singer
or an astronaut.
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I wanted to be a kid.
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I either wanted to be a
spaceman or Jimmy Osmond.
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I wanted to be Superman
and I was convinced I could fly,
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when I ran round the
apple trees in the garden.
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Marine biologist.
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I seem to remember
wanting to be Scottish.
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I regularly used to...
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dream of being in a band.
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Burn You Up.
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Often people think
that artists are special,
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unique or exceptionally talented.
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I don't.
I think most artists are visible...
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In fact, most people
that are visible in the world
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are there because
they need to be,
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and that we're actually
very flexible creatures,
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that we can acquire talent.
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And I'm convinced you could
go up to anybody in the street,
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with a gun to their
head and tell them
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this was going to go off
in 12 minutes' time
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if they hadn't produced
and interesting piece of art,
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and all sorts of artists
will appear out of nowhere.
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At the same time,
I think what I do
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is still unique and special
in some way,
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because, in part, of the different
experiences that I've had.
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I've put things together
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in a different way than
other people would probably.
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I think talent is very overrated.
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Most of the arts
are languages to me.
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Music, painting, film, photography.
There used to be this idea
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that you had to be born
with a lot of talent
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to have a chance of
succeeding in these areas,
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but you don't say you have
to be born with a talent
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for French or Italian
or German or Chinese,
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you just happen to live in the place
long enough and you pick it up.
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That's what I feel
about most arts.
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Most of us start off using the voices
of the people we love, you know,
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you just try and copy someone.
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And then gradually, you're either
not very good at copying them
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or your own voice
gets louder and louder,
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and you find out who you are,
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but I think, you know,
it took me three solo albums
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and quite a few
years with a band
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before I think I found who
I was musically, if you like.
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I was doing some gigs in Germany
with Frank Zappa.
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We were supporting Frank Zappa
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and his audience in Berlin were very
much sort of old hard-core hippies
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and, you know, they thought
I was just cheap shit.
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The booze was just...
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And this sort of rain of stuff
being thrown on the stage,
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so that was...
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It was very humbling.
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Next night, we were in
another German city.
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I thought,
"Shit, here we go. "
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And we go out there again and
similar sort of reaction, you know.
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They hate it.
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But it wasn't just the music,
it was me personally, you know.
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They meant it.
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And suddenly,
I had the one of those moments,
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and I thought,
"That's it, I'm no longer afraid. "
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The thing you're most scared
of when you get on a stage
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is being rejected
and booed off,
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and I suddenly realised I'd been
booed off and I was still up there.
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They didn't like it any more
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but I was still doing it
and they couldn't stop me.
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I thought...
and I just started giggling.
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Tony Levin looked over
like I'd gone crazy,
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but it was a fantastic sort
of moment of enlightenment.
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Digging in the Dirt.
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I always loved
to play in the dirt.
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We had a river running
through the farm
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and I used to go down
and play in the mud.
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You used to feel the earth
around your hand.
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You'd feel more connected.
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Love it. I was always looking,
digging for buried treasure.
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In a psychological way, I like to dig
in the dirt as much as anybody,
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and dig up what's underneath
and behind things.
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It's a great resource
to have there.
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When you feel stuff getting into your
body because you can't release it,
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if you haven't got
the sort of environment
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where you can
get emotion out,
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then I think it's a
really important thing.
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There's so many occasions
where I'm feeling so much
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but I can't compute it,
can't word it.
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I can't get it out of there.
I can't get to grips with it.
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But if I'm with a therapist,
they can help me do that.
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Sometimes,
Digging in the Dirt,
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when we perform it,
gets pretty weird.
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It definitely can
get pretty weird.
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Like, the guys seem to just
really be kind of aggressive,
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and they get into
a weird mode.
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It's like Mel and IU
are kind of left on our own.
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I was born on a farm,
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so I think I grew up surrounded
by fields, green, animals
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and still feel very
at home there.
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Yeah, I used to run
up Solsbury Hill.
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It did feel like a magical place.
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It's where I used to go to
reflect as well as to work out.
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I crashed my car
at the top once.
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Flying a kite up there.
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Why do people
buy my records?
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I think when it works,
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you can touch
people with music
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in a way that you can't
with other arts.
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The hearing I think goes directly
through to the emotional system
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without a lot of filtering.
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It's almost like it sort of plugs
directly into more of the heart
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and less of the brain.
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When I get it right,
I can make people feel things,
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and I think that's what
they buy it for.
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When you listen to Peter's music,
it goes deep, deep, deep,
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and deeper and
deeper and deeper.
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I discover a new thing
every time.
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When he plays his music,
his shows, he speaks to us.
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He's speaking to me through
his music and his words.
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And I have never experienced
that feeling before.
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His songs aren't just about love,
like most other singers',
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they're just about life
and the world.
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There can't be a favourite
Peter Gabriel track.
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It's your mood. Whatever your mood,
there's a song for it.
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There is only Peter Gabriel.
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Am I celebrity?
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The answer is "on weekends".
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In other words,
it's a great thing to be able to do
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when you want to get a
good seat in a restaurant,
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or go to a premiere,
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and, you know, there's a bit of that
"look at me" in every performer.
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But it's a miserable place
to live all the time.
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You do see one or
two people in our world
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that didn't have the
vanity bypass operation.
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So I think it's something
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that I love to play from time
to time and get stroked,
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but, you know, you don't want
to take it that seriously.
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Well, he's got
quite a few tricks.
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My favourite PG move,
and I'm not gonna try to do it...
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You should get Mel to do it.
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Like that.
Look.
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Probably standing still.
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Probably like most people,
I would have to say
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that when he thrusts
his hips in and out.
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The pelvic thrust.
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I have plenty of vanity.
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I think anyone who's
got on a stage
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has done their full training
of air guitar.
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But I'm a lot more
realistic now.
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I remember in the make-up department,
you start off,
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and the make-up girl says,
"You look lovely. "
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The second stage is,
"You've got a nice face. "
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Third stage is,
"You've got lovely eyes. "
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The fourth stage is,
"Where do you come from?"
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I've always been excited
in the possibilities
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of how technology can
really transform people's lives.
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We see that as musicians
time and time again.
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Before, when I started off,
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it was as if you were
going into a laboratory.
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You were put
in a glass cage
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and people in white
coats did their thing.
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Now, even though
we've got our studios,
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you can still do 90 percent
of it on your laptop.
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So it's a wonderfully
different environment.
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I think it's an enabling thing.
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I get very excited
with all these things
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and how to use technology
in different ways.
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I'm a guy who's really perhaps
over-attached to my computer.
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I don't go anywhere
without the laptop.
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I would describe myself
as an early adopter
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and think that it's big and clever to
use something before it really works.
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I've got into trouble
a lot like that.
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I've made a lot of friends
on the Internet.
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They reach out to us
from the audience.
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Well, it's too important.
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I think we all are in
thrall of technology.
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It would be so much better if people
thought before they used technology
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or made sure that technology
was purely a tool,
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a means to an end,
rather than an end in itself.
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I'm a huge believer in the telephone,
the mobile phone,
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and they're talking about
these roll-out screens
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that would be like a pencil that
you unroll, connect to your phone,
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and then you've got
a decent-sized screen,
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and through that, you've suddenly
got computers for $100 or less,
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that the developing world
can transform themselves.
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They had hole-in-the-wall
experiments in India,
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where people just left
computer terminals in the wall
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and the street kids would come up,
no prior training or education,
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and they'd just
fiddle around
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and I think within two hours,
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almost every kid had found out how
to open files and started playing.
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So I think that's one example of
technology transforming the world.
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I think there's many other
ways that it can do that.
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We're on in five minutes then.
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For the last time,
the top goes on.
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What, this is the
end of the tour?
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I'm definitely sad.
I'm gonna miss everybody here.
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But I'm gonna have to
sing my heart out tonight.
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In Come Talk to Me,
I think there was a time
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when I felt I'd sort of lost a means
of communicating with Mel,
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and that was the starting
point for that song.
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All families go through different
parts of their relationship.
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You start off with
the parent being...
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the all-powerful person.
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And it often ends up with the kid
being the all-powerful person
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and the parent, you know,
in the child's role.
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And between those two points,
you have many transformations.
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Melanie.
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Of course at the beginning,
you know,
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you don't have a problem reconciling
wealth with any political viewpoint,
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because you don't have any.
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And now, you know, there's
a lot of things around in my life.
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I feel...
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I've been through various stages
of thinking about things,
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but now I'm very comfortable
with how things are.
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I think I've got quite a lot
in my life which is selfish,
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and quite a lot which is unselfish
and I'm happy with the balance.
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I think the particular thing
with the Biko story
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was that I had some friends
connected with Amnesty.
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I'd been reading
about his imprisonment.
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It was one of those things
that you thought
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because there was a certain
amount of news coverage,
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that his captors would think twice
before they did him any harm
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because they knew people
would watch and know about it,
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but it didn't stop them.
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I think they actually only
meant to torture him.
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It was pretty merciless,
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but having left him after they'd
pretty much finished him off,
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he was schlepped around to
another prison and left to die.
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So that was very
shocking for me.
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It's over
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It is over.
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- Thanks for the ride.
- Thanks for the ride.
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I think there's a mixed feeling
almost every tour,
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particularly if you've sweated
and had some adrenaline rush,
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that if you're sort of
satisfied on the one hand
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that you've put a lot into it,
physically if nothing other else,
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and on the other,
you're sad that it's stopping.
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It's like that
morning-after-the-party feeling.
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You're sort of still
somewhat bleary-eyed,
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but there's an echo of what was there,
but it's already fading.
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