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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:24,860 --> 00:00:28,409 Still Growing Up was a sort of continuation of sorts really 2 00:00:28,540 --> 00:00:29,893 from the Growing Up Tour. 3 00:00:30,020 --> 00:00:32,454 It was doing it in a different environment, 4 00:00:32,580 --> 00:00:35,572 and sort of get up on a stage, concentrate on the music, 5 00:00:35,700 --> 00:00:38,737 a sort of sweatier, dirtier thing in a lot of ways, 6 00:00:38,860 --> 00:00:42,170 in gigs that we wouldn't have been able to take the big tour into. 7 00:00:42,300 --> 00:00:44,177 And the reason it's Still Growing Up 8 00:00:44,300 --> 00:00:47,212 is because it's substantially the same as Growing Up, 9 00:00:47,340 --> 00:00:52,653 but as in life, it's a long process that carries on and on. 10 00:01:42,180 --> 00:01:43,499 Where the hell are we? 11 00:01:43,620 --> 00:01:45,497 We're landing in Milan's Malpensa. 12 00:01:45,620 --> 00:01:46,769 We're in Lecce. 13 00:01:46,900 --> 00:01:49,130 Rome. We're at the edge of Lake Geneva. 14 00:01:49,260 --> 00:01:50,773 In Chambéry. Naples. 15 00:01:50,900 --> 00:01:53,892 We're here in Montecatini Terme. We're now in Nice. 16 00:01:54,020 --> 00:01:56,693 The wonderful Greek amphitheatre in Taormina. 17 00:01:56,820 --> 00:01:59,414 Beautiful place. It's really hot here. 18 00:02:06,580 --> 00:02:08,218 On the first Growing Up Tour, 19 00:02:08,340 --> 00:02:10,900 there was quite a lot of pressure and stress. 20 00:02:11,020 --> 00:02:14,217 There were some tensions within the band. 21 00:02:14,340 --> 00:02:15,898 There always are in any band. 22 00:02:16,020 --> 00:02:18,056 But on the Still Growing Up Tour, 23 00:02:18,180 --> 00:02:22,492 the same people had got used to each other's strengths and weaknesses. 24 00:02:22,620 --> 00:02:24,372 It was much more easy going. 25 00:02:24,500 --> 00:02:28,732 I think everyone felt there was a bit more room to be themselves off stage 26 00:02:28,860 --> 00:02:31,852 and to be themselves musically on stage. 27 00:02:58,300 --> 00:03:02,339 In Austria we started off, I think, in the mountains, in snow, 28 00:03:02,460 --> 00:03:07,978 and then came down and played by lakes or in town squares. 29 00:03:08,100 --> 00:03:10,091 It was a different type of tour 30 00:03:10,220 --> 00:03:14,657 with sort of less pressure and more focus on the music. 31 00:04:13,980 --> 00:04:18,929 What's interesting is that there's a whole different physical process 32 00:04:19,060 --> 00:04:22,814 when you just arrive at the gig before you go on stage. 33 00:04:22,940 --> 00:04:24,578 So in these gigs, 34 00:04:24,700 --> 00:04:27,772 you can't sound check at them cos they're festivals, 35 00:04:27,900 --> 00:04:30,175 so we're just coming in and out. 36 00:04:30,300 --> 00:04:31,449 And it's more... 37 00:04:31,580 --> 00:04:36,210 I just remember the stars of old arriving in their limousine, 38 00:04:36,340 --> 00:04:38,376 playing and then getting out. 39 00:05:16,260 --> 00:05:20,173 I think I generally do trust people. I'm an optimist. 40 00:05:20,300 --> 00:05:23,531 I'd rather be in a world where I trust people 41 00:05:23,660 --> 00:05:25,855 and I'm occasionally disappointed, 42 00:05:25,980 --> 00:05:29,227 than one where I'm afraid of being 43 00:05:29,267 --> 00:05:32,882 let down or done over all the time 44 00:05:32,917 --> 00:05:34,793 and I'm occasionally surprised. 45 00:07:03,260 --> 00:07:07,776 The crew on any tour are the engine that drives the whole thing, 46 00:07:07,900 --> 00:07:11,688 so, you've gotta look after your crew. 47 00:07:11,820 --> 00:07:14,175 At the same time at the beginning of a tour, 48 00:07:14,300 --> 00:07:16,575 you're torn in a thousand directions. 49 00:07:23,060 --> 00:07:27,975 I find that once the tour's got going it's easier sometimes then 50 00:07:28,100 --> 00:07:32,332 to try and connect and to spend a bit of time with the crew and so on. 51 00:07:32,460 --> 00:07:37,488 We try and eat in the same areas and that sort of thing. 52 00:07:37,620 --> 00:07:40,498 I mean, there is still a them-and-us thing sometimes, 53 00:07:40,620 --> 00:07:43,373 but I think less so than on a lot of tours. 54 00:09:25,220 --> 00:09:26,812 I think when you get it right, 55 00:09:26,940 --> 00:09:30,410 and you know you're innovating or breaking through barriers, 56 00:09:30,540 --> 00:09:34,215 that's exciting and rewarding. 57 00:09:34,340 --> 00:09:36,979 I don't believe in this concept of genius at all. 58 00:09:37,100 --> 00:09:39,773 I think, you know, Einstein was probably a genius. 59 00:09:40,700 --> 00:09:44,852 But, you know, I'm also smart enough to work with very talented people. 60 00:09:45,900 --> 00:09:50,098 David, well, he's a sculptor. 61 00:09:50,580 --> 00:09:53,538 He still is, with his approach to sound. 62 00:09:53,660 --> 00:09:57,255 A purist is probably a good word for David. 63 00:09:57,820 --> 00:10:00,518 Rachel, I think, is a mixture of 64 00:10:00,788 --> 00:10:04,741 Manhattan downtown hipster, jazzer. 65 00:10:04,776 --> 00:10:08,612 She's sort of either right in it or right out of it. 66 00:10:11,540 --> 00:10:14,008 Mel's fascinating to watch, 67 00:10:14,140 --> 00:10:16,938 and obviously as her dad, I'm enormously proud. 68 00:10:18,100 --> 00:10:21,137 Tony, canny, lanky. 69 00:10:22,020 --> 00:10:23,658 Ged's the engine driver. 70 00:10:23,780 --> 00:10:26,294 He's also the most eager to please in some ways. 71 00:10:30,500 --> 00:10:32,252 Rich... 72 00:10:33,300 --> 00:10:35,530 He makes me laugh cos, you know, 73 00:10:35,660 --> 00:10:38,220 he's an enormously talented, gifted musician 74 00:10:38,340 --> 00:10:41,332 and can handle almost any musical problem thrown at him, 75 00:10:41,460 --> 00:10:43,451 but again, there's a part of him 76 00:10:43,580 --> 00:10:47,175 that would be really playing at being the rock star, 77 00:10:47,300 --> 00:10:49,177 but really loving it. 78 00:11:59,500 --> 00:12:03,049 I think there's quite a lot of sort of your inner life 79 00:12:03,180 --> 00:12:09,050 which should be only let out in appropriate situations 80 00:12:09,180 --> 00:12:10,659 with appropriate people. 81 00:12:10,780 --> 00:12:14,898 You know, that sometimes, too much information is given, 82 00:12:15,020 --> 00:12:18,137 and we live in a pretty dysfunctional world 83 00:12:18,260 --> 00:12:22,811 and celebrities and visible people are often quite needy people, 84 00:12:22,940 --> 00:12:27,058 and so I think there's quite a lot of baggage that comes with that. 85 00:12:28,220 --> 00:12:30,814 So although I think it's really powerful 86 00:12:30,940 --> 00:12:32,896 from all the therapy that I've done, 87 00:12:33,020 --> 00:12:36,615 when you do unload it should be in the right place, 88 00:12:36,740 --> 00:12:39,300 at the right time, 89 00:12:39,420 --> 00:12:42,173 and most important of all, to the right people. 90 00:12:42,300 --> 00:12:43,779 Anger, for instance. 91 00:12:43,900 --> 00:12:47,813 People will often dump on the wrong person. 92 00:13:41,460 --> 00:13:42,939 Mr David Rhodes. 93 00:15:24,660 --> 00:15:29,654 Am I a good boss? I think I try and be a fair boss. 94 00:15:32,340 --> 00:15:34,900 I think a lot of musicians I see, 95 00:15:35,020 --> 00:15:37,136 whenever they've got dirty work to do, 96 00:15:37,260 --> 00:15:41,048 telling people they're not wanted or they're doing something wrong, 97 00:15:41,180 --> 00:15:46,891 they'll often get managers or somebody else to deliver the message. 98 00:15:49,500 --> 00:15:50,728 I don't do that, 99 00:15:50,860 --> 00:15:54,853 but I think sometimes, you know, I'm not assertive enough 100 00:15:54,980 --> 00:15:57,972 with what I want or what I feel about things. 101 00:15:58,100 --> 00:16:00,978 That fudges the issue sometimes and makes it complicated. 102 00:19:02,540 --> 00:19:07,250 No dreams come without a bill, you know, 103 00:19:07,380 --> 00:19:11,498 and people forget that sometimes and I forget it sometimes. 104 00:19:11,620 --> 00:19:15,249 So I think the reality of making something happen, 105 00:19:15,380 --> 00:19:19,055 most times, it's just a ton of hard work. 106 00:20:27,060 --> 00:20:29,494 And I remember having that clear dream 107 00:20:29,620 --> 00:20:33,010 whether I chose the farm route or the music route, 108 00:20:33,140 --> 00:20:35,813 and I had pictured performing at concerts, 109 00:20:35,940 --> 00:20:39,649 even though I didn't really have a desire to be a singer, 110 00:20:39,780 --> 00:20:41,532 I wanted to be a drummer. 111 00:20:41,660 --> 00:20:45,733 So I felt I got a little taste of the future. 112 00:21:44,100 --> 00:21:46,170 I wanted to be an engine driver for a while. 113 00:21:46,300 --> 00:21:48,370 An opera singer or an astronaut. 114 00:21:48,500 --> 00:21:49,819 I wanted to be a kid. 115 00:21:49,940 --> 00:21:53,250 I either wanted to be a spaceman or Jimmy Osmond. 116 00:21:53,380 --> 00:21:57,851 I wanted to be Superman and I was convinced I could fly, 117 00:21:57,980 --> 00:22:00,494 when I ran round the apple trees in the garden. 118 00:22:00,620 --> 00:22:01,689 Marine biologist. 119 00:22:01,820 --> 00:22:04,334 I seem to remember wanting to be Scottish. 120 00:22:05,140 --> 00:22:08,088 I regularly used to... 121 00:22:08,321 --> 00:22:12,345 dream of being in a band. 122 00:22:14,140 --> 00:22:15,732 Burn You Up. 123 00:23:34,180 --> 00:23:37,570 Often people think that artists are special, 124 00:23:37,700 --> 00:23:39,736 unique or exceptionally talented. 125 00:23:40,700 --> 00:23:44,898 I don't. I think most artists are visible... 126 00:23:45,020 --> 00:23:48,456 In fact, most people that are visible in the world 127 00:23:48,580 --> 00:23:50,810 are there because they need to be, 128 00:23:50,940 --> 00:23:54,774 and that we're actually very flexible creatures, 129 00:23:54,900 --> 00:23:56,970 that we can acquire talent. 130 00:23:57,100 --> 00:24:00,854 And I'm convinced you could go up to anybody in the street, 131 00:24:00,980 --> 00:24:03,369 with a gun to their head and tell them 132 00:24:03,500 --> 00:24:05,855 this was going to go off in 12 minutes' time 133 00:24:05,980 --> 00:24:09,017 if they hadn't produced and interesting piece of art, 134 00:24:09,140 --> 00:24:12,974 and all sorts of artists will appear out of nowhere. 135 00:24:19,580 --> 00:24:23,653 At the same time, I think what I do 136 00:24:23,780 --> 00:24:26,089 is still unique and special in some way, 137 00:24:26,220 --> 00:24:29,769 because, in part, of the different experiences that I've had. 138 00:24:29,900 --> 00:24:31,413 I've put things together 139 00:24:31,540 --> 00:24:34,771 in a different way than other people would probably. 140 00:24:34,900 --> 00:24:36,970 I think talent is very overrated. 141 00:24:37,100 --> 00:24:39,819 Most of the arts are languages to me. 142 00:24:39,940 --> 00:24:44,855 Music, painting, film, photography. There used to be this idea 143 00:24:44,980 --> 00:24:47,255 that you had to be born with a lot of talent 144 00:24:47,380 --> 00:24:50,133 to have a chance of succeeding in these areas, 145 00:24:50,260 --> 00:24:53,332 but you don't say you have to be born with a talent 146 00:24:53,460 --> 00:24:56,293 for French or Italian or German or Chinese, 147 00:24:56,420 --> 00:25:00,811 you just happen to live in the place long enough and you pick it up. 148 00:25:00,940 --> 00:25:03,659 That's what I feel about most arts. 149 00:26:39,740 --> 00:26:44,655 Most of us start off using the voices of the people we love, you know, 150 00:26:44,780 --> 00:26:47,340 you just try and copy someone. 151 00:26:47,460 --> 00:26:51,089 And then gradually, you're either not very good at copying them 152 00:26:51,220 --> 00:26:54,098 or your own voice gets louder and louder, 153 00:26:54,220 --> 00:26:55,733 and you find out who you are, 154 00:26:55,860 --> 00:26:59,614 but I think, you know, it took me three solo albums 155 00:26:59,740 --> 00:27:01,537 and quite a few years with a band 156 00:27:01,660 --> 00:27:05,858 before I think I found who I was musically, if you like. 157 00:35:22,580 --> 00:35:26,812 I was doing some gigs in Germany with Frank Zappa. 158 00:35:26,940 --> 00:35:28,817 We were supporting Frank Zappa 159 00:35:28,940 --> 00:35:34,139 and his audience in Berlin were very much sort of old hard-core hippies 160 00:35:34,260 --> 00:35:39,334 and, you know, they thought I was just cheap shit. 161 00:35:39,460 --> 00:35:41,212 The booze was just... 162 00:35:41,340 --> 00:35:45,174 And this sort of rain of stuff being thrown on the stage, 163 00:35:45,300 --> 00:35:46,858 so that was... 164 00:35:48,420 --> 00:35:50,615 It was very humbling. 165 00:35:50,740 --> 00:35:53,413 Next night, we were in another German city. 166 00:35:53,540 --> 00:35:56,498 I thought, "Shit, here we go. " 167 00:35:56,620 --> 00:36:00,329 And we go out there again and similar sort of reaction, you know. 168 00:36:00,460 --> 00:36:01,939 They hate it. 169 00:36:02,060 --> 00:36:06,338 But it wasn't just the music, it was me personally, you know. 170 00:36:06,460 --> 00:36:08,496 They meant it. 171 00:36:08,620 --> 00:36:11,692 And suddenly, I had the one of those moments, 172 00:36:11,820 --> 00:36:16,735 and I thought, "That's it, I'm no longer afraid. " 173 00:36:16,860 --> 00:36:19,852 The thing you're most scared of when you get on a stage 174 00:36:19,980 --> 00:36:21,811 is being rejected and booed off, 175 00:36:21,940 --> 00:36:26,456 and I suddenly realised I'd been booed off and I was still up there. 176 00:36:26,580 --> 00:36:28,093 They didn't like it any more 177 00:36:28,220 --> 00:36:30,893 but I was still doing it and they couldn't stop me. 178 00:36:31,020 --> 00:36:34,217 I thought... and I just started giggling. 179 00:36:34,340 --> 00:36:36,808 Tony Levin looked over like I'd gone crazy, 180 00:36:36,940 --> 00:36:42,139 but it was a fantastic sort of moment of enlightenment. 181 00:36:51,300 --> 00:36:53,256 Digging in the Dirt. 182 00:39:37,660 --> 00:39:39,378 I always loved to play in the dirt. 183 00:39:39,500 --> 00:39:41,616 We had a river running through the farm 184 00:39:41,740 --> 00:39:44,129 and I used to go down and play in the mud. 185 00:39:44,820 --> 00:39:47,459 You used to feel the earth around your hand. 186 00:39:47,580 --> 00:39:49,536 You'd feel more connected. 187 00:39:49,660 --> 00:39:53,130 Love it. I was always looking, digging for buried treasure. 188 00:39:53,260 --> 00:39:57,173 In a psychological way, I like to dig in the dirt as much as anybody, 189 00:39:57,300 --> 00:39:59,894 and dig up what's underneath and behind things. 190 00:41:06,500 --> 00:41:10,049 It's a great resource to have there. 191 00:41:10,180 --> 00:41:15,254 When you feel stuff getting into your body because you can't release it, 192 00:41:15,380 --> 00:41:18,053 if you haven't got the sort of environment 193 00:41:18,180 --> 00:41:21,490 where you can get emotion out, 194 00:41:21,620 --> 00:41:24,578 then I think it's a really important thing. 195 00:41:24,700 --> 00:41:27,976 There's so many occasions where I'm feeling so much 196 00:41:28,100 --> 00:41:32,173 but I can't compute it, can't word it. 197 00:41:32,300 --> 00:41:35,417 I can't get it out of there. I can't get to grips with it. 198 00:41:35,540 --> 00:41:38,452 But if I'm with a therapist, they can help me do that. 199 00:41:52,860 --> 00:41:54,657 Sometimes, Digging in the Dirt, 200 00:41:54,780 --> 00:41:57,658 when we perform it, gets pretty weird. 201 00:41:57,780 --> 00:42:00,089 It definitely can get pretty weird. 202 00:42:00,220 --> 00:42:06,090 Like, the guys seem to just really be kind of aggressive, 203 00:42:06,220 --> 00:42:08,654 and they get into a weird mode. 204 00:42:09,780 --> 00:42:12,135 It's like Mel and IU are kind of left on our own. 205 00:43:17,380 --> 00:43:18,938 I was born on a farm, 206 00:43:19,060 --> 00:43:24,532 so I think I grew up surrounded by fields, green, animals 207 00:43:24,660 --> 00:43:26,457 and still feel very at home there. 208 00:44:29,580 --> 00:44:31,650 Yeah, I used to run up Solsbury Hill. 209 00:44:31,780 --> 00:44:35,409 It did feel like a magical place. 210 00:44:35,540 --> 00:44:38,612 It's where I used to go to reflect as well as to work out. 211 00:44:38,740 --> 00:44:40,332 I crashed my car at the top once. 212 00:44:40,460 --> 00:44:42,052 Flying a kite up there. 213 00:47:29,020 --> 00:47:31,409 Why do people buy my records? 214 00:47:32,380 --> 00:47:34,803 I think when it works, 215 00:47:34,914 --> 00:47:38,915 you can touch people with music 216 00:47:38,950 --> 00:47:43,176 in a way that you can't with other arts. 217 00:47:43,300 --> 00:47:49,170 The hearing I think goes directly through to the emotional system 218 00:47:49,300 --> 00:47:50,892 without a lot of filtering. 219 00:47:51,020 --> 00:47:56,140 It's almost like it sort of plugs directly into more of the heart 220 00:47:56,260 --> 00:47:57,693 and less of the brain. 221 00:47:57,820 --> 00:48:00,937 When I get it right, I can make people feel things, 222 00:48:01,060 --> 00:48:03,415 and I think that's what they buy it for. 223 00:48:10,900 --> 00:48:14,017 When you listen to Peter's music, it goes deep, deep, deep, 224 00:48:14,140 --> 00:48:16,335 and deeper and deeper and deeper. 225 00:48:16,460 --> 00:48:19,054 I discover a new thing every time. 226 00:48:19,180 --> 00:48:22,650 When he plays his music, his shows, he speaks to us. 227 00:48:22,780 --> 00:48:27,012 He's speaking to me through his music and his words. 228 00:48:27,140 --> 00:48:29,893 And I have never experienced that feeling before. 229 00:48:30,020 --> 00:48:33,376 His songs aren't just about love, like most other singers', 230 00:48:33,500 --> 00:48:37,129 they're just about life and the world. 231 00:48:55,540 --> 00:48:58,054 There can't be a favourite Peter Gabriel track. 232 00:48:58,180 --> 00:49:01,092 It's your mood. Whatever your mood, there's a song for it. 233 00:49:01,220 --> 00:49:02,892 There is only Peter Gabriel. 234 00:49:36,940 --> 00:49:38,578 Am I celebrity? 235 00:49:38,700 --> 00:49:40,736 The answer is "on weekends". 236 00:49:40,860 --> 00:49:43,897 In other words, it's a great thing to be able to do 237 00:49:44,020 --> 00:49:47,410 when you want to get a good seat in a restaurant, 238 00:49:47,540 --> 00:49:49,610 or go to a premiere, 239 00:49:49,740 --> 00:49:54,530 and, you know, there's a bit of that "look at me" in every performer. 240 00:49:54,660 --> 00:49:57,299 But it's a miserable place to live all the time. 241 00:50:07,180 --> 00:50:10,297 You do see one or two people in our world 242 00:50:10,420 --> 00:50:13,890 that didn't have the vanity bypass operation. 243 00:50:14,020 --> 00:50:15,578 So I think it's something 244 00:50:15,700 --> 00:50:19,409 that I love to play from time to time and get stroked, 245 00:50:19,540 --> 00:50:24,136 but, you know, you don't want to take it that seriously. 246 00:52:10,980 --> 00:52:13,289 Well, he's got quite a few tricks. 247 00:52:13,420 --> 00:52:16,492 My favourite PG move, and I'm not gonna try to do it... 248 00:52:16,620 --> 00:52:18,099 You should get Mel to do it. 249 00:52:18,220 --> 00:52:20,688 Like that. Look. 250 00:52:20,820 --> 00:52:22,572 Probably standing still. 251 00:52:25,820 --> 00:52:29,130 Probably like most people, I would have to say 252 00:52:29,260 --> 00:52:31,899 that when he thrusts his hips in and out. 253 00:52:32,020 --> 00:52:33,578 The pelvic thrust. 254 00:52:35,500 --> 00:52:37,058 I have plenty of vanity. 255 00:52:37,180 --> 00:52:39,375 I think anyone who's got on a stage 256 00:52:39,500 --> 00:52:43,698 has done their full training of air guitar. 257 00:52:43,820 --> 00:52:45,970 But I'm a lot more realistic now. 258 00:52:46,100 --> 00:52:48,978 I remember in the make-up department, you start off, 259 00:52:49,100 --> 00:52:51,978 and the make-up girl says, "You look lovely. " 260 00:52:52,100 --> 00:52:56,378 The second stage is, "You've got a nice face. " 261 00:52:56,500 --> 00:52:59,458 Third stage is, "You've got lovely eyes. " 262 00:53:00,300 --> 00:53:02,894 The fourth stage is, "Where do you come from?" 263 00:54:25,139 --> 00:54:28,131 I've always been excited in the possibilities 264 00:54:28,259 --> 00:54:31,934 of how technology can really transform people's lives. 265 00:54:33,059 --> 00:54:37,052 We see that as musicians time and time again. 266 00:54:37,179 --> 00:54:38,771 Before, when I started off, 267 00:54:38,899 --> 00:54:41,288 it was as if you were going into a laboratory. 268 00:54:41,419 --> 00:54:42,818 You were put in a glass cage 269 00:54:42,939 --> 00:54:45,055 and people in white coats did their thing. 270 00:54:46,139 --> 00:54:49,290 Now, even though we've got our studios, 271 00:54:49,419 --> 00:54:53,492 you can still do 90 percent of it on your laptop. 272 00:54:53,619 --> 00:54:57,294 So it's a wonderfully different environment. 273 00:54:57,419 --> 00:54:59,410 I think it's an enabling thing. 274 00:56:35,899 --> 00:56:38,971 I get very excited with all these things 275 00:56:39,099 --> 00:56:41,454 and how to use technology in different ways. 276 00:56:41,579 --> 00:56:45,777 I'm a guy who's really perhaps over-attached to my computer. 277 00:56:45,899 --> 00:56:48,015 I don't go anywhere without the laptop. 278 00:56:48,139 --> 00:56:51,176 I would describe myself as an early adopter 279 00:56:51,299 --> 00:56:55,929 and think that it's big and clever to use something before it really works. 280 00:56:56,059 --> 00:56:58,015 I've got into trouble a lot like that. 281 00:56:58,139 --> 00:57:00,289 I've made a lot of friends on the Internet. 282 00:57:00,419 --> 00:57:02,410 They reach out to us from the audience. 283 00:57:02,539 --> 00:57:03,972 Well, it's too important. 284 00:57:04,099 --> 00:57:08,729 I think we all are in thrall of technology. 285 00:57:10,619 --> 00:57:16,171 It would be so much better if people thought before they used technology 286 00:57:16,299 --> 00:57:20,372 or made sure that technology was purely a tool, 287 00:57:20,499 --> 00:57:23,536 a means to an end, rather than an end in itself. 288 00:58:57,139 --> 00:59:01,735 I'm a huge believer in the telephone, the mobile phone, 289 00:59:01,859 --> 00:59:06,296 and they're talking about these roll-out screens 290 00:59:06,419 --> 00:59:10,048 that would be like a pencil that you unroll, connect to your phone, 291 00:59:10,179 --> 00:59:12,534 and then you've got a decent-sized screen, 292 00:59:12,659 --> 00:59:17,255 and through that, you've suddenly got computers for $100 or less, 293 00:59:17,379 --> 00:59:21,258 that the developing world can transform themselves. 294 00:59:21,379 --> 00:59:24,530 They had hole-in-the-wall experiments in India, 295 00:59:24,659 --> 00:59:28,015 where people just left computer terminals in the wall 296 00:59:28,139 --> 00:59:33,577 and the street kids would come up, no prior training or education, 297 00:59:33,699 --> 00:59:35,417 and they'd just fiddle around 298 00:59:35,539 --> 00:59:37,018 and I think within two hours, 299 00:59:37,139 --> 00:59:42,213 almost every kid had found out how to open files and started playing. 300 00:59:42,339 --> 00:59:46,696 So I think that's one example of technology transforming the world. 301 00:59:46,819 --> 00:59:50,573 I think there's many other ways that it can do that. 302 01:00:11,539 --> 01:00:12,938 We're on in five minutes then. 303 01:00:13,059 --> 01:00:15,653 For the last time, the top goes on. 304 01:00:15,779 --> 01:00:18,293 What, this is the end of the tour? 305 01:00:32,979 --> 01:00:35,937 I'm definitely sad. I'm gonna miss everybody here. 306 01:00:37,939 --> 01:00:41,727 But I'm gonna have to sing my heart out tonight. 307 01:01:57,739 --> 01:02:00,128 In Come Talk to Me, I think there was a time 308 01:02:00,259 --> 01:02:05,777 when I felt I'd sort of lost a means of communicating with Mel, 309 01:02:05,899 --> 01:02:08,493 and that was the starting point for that song. 310 01:02:08,619 --> 01:02:13,090 All families go through different parts of their relationship. 311 01:02:13,219 --> 01:02:15,803 You start off with the parent being... 312 01:02:16,872 --> 01:02:19,757 the all-powerful person. 313 01:02:19,899 --> 01:02:24,177 And it often ends up with the kid being the all-powerful person 314 01:02:24,299 --> 01:02:27,974 and the parent, you know, in the child's role. 315 01:02:28,099 --> 01:02:33,651 And between those two points, you have many transformations. 316 01:06:13,419 --> 01:06:14,613 Melanie. 317 01:06:21,859 --> 01:06:23,611 Of course at the beginning, you know, 318 01:06:23,739 --> 01:06:28,574 you don't have a problem reconciling wealth with any political viewpoint, 319 01:06:28,699 --> 01:06:30,496 because you don't have any. 320 01:06:31,419 --> 01:06:36,129 And now, you know, there's a lot of things around in my life. 321 01:06:37,259 --> 01:06:39,295 I feel... 322 01:06:39,419 --> 01:06:44,368 I've been through various stages of thinking about things, 323 01:06:44,499 --> 01:06:47,377 but now I'm very comfortable with how things are. 324 01:06:47,499 --> 01:06:51,970 I think I've got quite a lot in my life which is selfish, 325 01:06:52,099 --> 01:06:55,808 and quite a lot which is unselfish and I'm happy with the balance. 326 01:07:46,139 --> 01:07:48,858 I think the particular thing with the Biko story 327 01:07:48,979 --> 01:07:53,973 was that I had some friends connected with Amnesty. 328 01:07:54,099 --> 01:07:57,774 I'd been reading about his imprisonment. 329 01:07:57,899 --> 01:08:00,936 It was one of those things that you thought 330 01:08:01,059 --> 01:08:03,892 because there was a certain amount of news coverage, 331 01:08:04,019 --> 01:08:08,649 that his captors would think twice before they did him any harm 332 01:08:08,779 --> 01:08:12,135 because they knew people would watch and know about it, 333 01:08:12,259 --> 01:08:14,090 but it didn't stop them. 334 01:08:14,219 --> 01:08:17,336 I think they actually only meant to torture him. 335 01:08:17,459 --> 01:08:19,097 It was pretty merciless, 336 01:08:19,219 --> 01:08:24,339 but having left him after they'd pretty much finished him off, 337 01:08:24,459 --> 01:08:28,134 he was schlepped around to another prison and left to die. 338 01:08:29,099 --> 01:08:31,897 So that was very shocking for me. 339 01:16:00,379 --> 01:16:02,609 It's over 340 01:16:03,459 --> 01:16:05,689 It is over. 341 01:16:07,219 --> 01:16:09,858 - Thanks for the ride. - Thanks for the ride. 342 01:16:12,059 --> 01:16:17,656 I think there's a mixed feeling almost every tour, 343 01:16:17,779 --> 01:16:21,249 particularly if you've sweated and had some adrenaline rush, 344 01:16:21,379 --> 01:16:24,928 that if you're sort of satisfied on the one hand 345 01:16:25,059 --> 01:16:30,053 that you've put a lot into it, physically if nothing other else, 346 01:16:30,179 --> 01:16:33,728 and on the other, you're sad that it's stopping. 347 01:16:34,499 --> 01:16:38,936 It's like that morning-after-the-party feeling. 348 01:16:39,059 --> 01:16:42,813 You're sort of still somewhat bleary-eyed, 349 01:16:42,939 --> 01:16:47,091 but there's an echo of what was there, but it's already fading. 27544

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