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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:57,816 --> 00:00:59,749 [SIREN WAILING] 4 00:01:05,306 --> 00:01:06,894 [RUMBLING] 5 00:01:10,725 --> 00:01:12,520 [MUSIC BOX PLAYS] 6 00:01:19,941 --> 00:01:22,323 [MAN SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY] 7 00:01:26,293 --> 00:01:29,779 MAN ON TV: A large, handmade pepperoni pizza for five bucks. 8 00:01:29,813 --> 00:01:31,298 WOMAN ON TV: This year' fashion week has shown us 9 00:01:31,332 --> 00:01:33,817 some bold new trends for the upcoming season. 10 00:01:33,852 --> 00:01:36,820 She started out as a hot, new designer... 11 00:01:36,855 --> 00:01:38,201 MALE NEWSCASTER 1: It was initially reported that 12 00:01:38,236 --> 00:01:40,652 57 people were killed in Iraq today. 13 00:01:40,686 --> 00:01:42,171 MALE REPORTER: The bi discussion of the summit was 14 00:01:42,205 --> 00:01:43,724 climate change, despite opposition... 15 00:01:43,758 --> 00:01:45,933 FEMALE NEWSCASTER: I heard that children were taken out, bloody. 16 00:01:45,967 --> 00:01:48,246 WOMAN: I am very scared I'm worried about my daughter, 17 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:49,454 I'm worried about my... 18 00:01:49,488 --> 00:01:51,214 MALE NEWSCASTER 2: The military space race is not over. 19 00:01:51,249 --> 00:01:52,560 There's no doubt in my mind that... 20 00:01:52,595 --> 00:01:54,355 [SPEAKERS OVERLAPPING] 21 00:01:54,390 --> 00:01:56,185 FEMALE NEWSCASTER 2: ...killer was on several mind-altering medications. 22 00:01:56,219 --> 00:01:57,531 MAN: ...don't want any more adrenaline junkies... 23 00:01:57,565 --> 00:01:59,360 FEMALE NEWSCASTER 3: ...tragic death of a 5-year-old girl... 24 00:01:59,395 --> 00:02:00,637 MALE REPORTER 2: ...cutting edge research... 25 00:02:13,098 --> 00:02:14,962 WEINER: We've been very good 26 00:02:14,996 --> 00:02:18,207 at making enormous strides in technology. 27 00:02:18,241 --> 00:02:21,071 It makes us look advanced. 28 00:02:21,106 --> 00:02:23,143 But I think where we fall down 29 00:02:23,177 --> 00:02:28,941 is that we haven't gone nearly as far in our internal world. 30 00:02:28,976 --> 00:02:31,358 I don't know that we've really come too much farther 31 00:02:31,392 --> 00:02:33,843 than people did thousands of years ago. 32 00:02:35,845 --> 00:02:39,124 MATE: Most of us don't know why we're doing what we're doing most of the time. 33 00:02:39,159 --> 00:02:42,058 Especially when it comes to the really important decisions in our lives. 34 00:02:42,092 --> 00:02:44,854 This is largely a society in denial. 35 00:02:44,888 --> 00:02:48,513 WEINER: We have been stuck I think, for a very long time 36 00:02:48,547 --> 00:02:52,206 in the ways we've done things, and everybody sees it now. 37 00:02:52,241 --> 00:02:54,208 I don't think people can really look around the world 38 00:02:54,243 --> 00:02:56,486 or the Earth and say, "It's all great." 39 00:02:57,867 --> 00:03:00,766 Well, how about now, we start to look inside ourselves? 40 00:03:00,801 --> 00:03:03,976 How about we take the ideas that fueled 41 00:03:04,011 --> 00:03:07,428 this kind of development and look inside? 42 00:03:07,463 --> 00:03:11,605 Why wouldn't we go back to the womb? 43 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:14,504 Why do we want to start anywhere else really, but there? 44 00:03:14,539 --> 00:03:15,954 It's where we all start. 45 00:03:23,168 --> 00:03:24,652 JANUS: In Western culture, 46 00:03:24,687 --> 00:03:27,862 we have no idea about prenatal life. 47 00:03:27,897 --> 00:03:31,487 Life begins with birth, not before. 48 00:03:31,521 --> 00:03:32,867 But other cultures 49 00:03:32,902 --> 00:03:35,905 have an understanding or an intuition 50 00:03:35,939 --> 00:03:41,600 what prenatal life may mean for the becoming child. 51 00:03:42,808 --> 00:03:44,431 They believe the pregnant woman 52 00:03:44,465 --> 00:03:48,642 should be cautious and not excited, 53 00:03:48,676 --> 00:03:51,058 no burdens and so on. 54 00:03:52,232 --> 00:03:56,339 The time before birth is your living time. 55 00:03:59,687 --> 00:04:01,033 NESCI: One hundred years ago, 56 00:04:01,068 --> 00:04:06,142 babies were put into, you know, strange clothes, 57 00:04:06,176 --> 00:04:07,557 they could not move, 58 00:04:07,592 --> 00:04:10,595 they were embalmed like mummies, 59 00:04:10,629 --> 00:04:13,805 and their heart rate beat was slower, 60 00:04:13,839 --> 00:04:17,257 they would eat less, they would develop less. 61 00:04:20,087 --> 00:04:24,609 Up to the '50s and even the '60s in Europe, 62 00:04:24,643 --> 00:04:27,957 babies were operated on without anesthesia. 63 00:04:27,991 --> 00:04:31,685 "Babies don't experience and don't feel," 64 00:04:31,719 --> 00:04:36,345 that was the general opinion, that they forget everything. 65 00:04:36,379 --> 00:04:40,349 And so, you can let them cry and they forget it. 66 00:04:40,383 --> 00:04:44,905 Doctors would do horrible, horrible, horrible operations. 67 00:04:44,939 --> 00:04:46,700 And they told their parents 68 00:04:46,734 --> 00:04:49,358 that the reason that they are not using an anesthetic 69 00:04:49,392 --> 00:04:52,464 is because the anesthetic would damage the child. 70 00:04:52,499 --> 00:04:55,018 But in fact they damaged the children themselves 71 00:04:55,053 --> 00:04:57,331 through this traumatic experience. 72 00:04:58,712 --> 00:05:01,059 The reason I did not become an obstetrician 73 00:05:01,093 --> 00:05:06,513 is because I hated the way obstetricians were treating women. 74 00:05:06,547 --> 00:05:07,997 They were yelling at them. 75 00:05:08,031 --> 00:05:11,345 "Push! Push! Push! What's the matter with you?" 76 00:05:11,380 --> 00:05:13,416 You know, "Push!" [INFANT CRYING] 77 00:05:13,451 --> 00:05:16,488 And we were taught that babies can't remember anything 78 00:05:16,523 --> 00:05:18,214 before the age of two. 79 00:05:20,354 --> 00:05:23,357 NESCI: In this last century, 80 00:05:23,392 --> 00:05:26,222 the attitude is changing dramatically. 81 00:05:26,878 --> 00:05:29,812 We can identify 82 00:05:29,846 --> 00:05:32,539 with a child, with a baby. 83 00:05:32,573 --> 00:05:35,231 Ultrasound is magic. 84 00:05:35,265 --> 00:05:39,994 How could you see a baby in the womb during pregnancy? 85 00:05:45,345 --> 00:05:48,209 MONK: The nature of what w do is really thinking about 86 00:05:48,244 --> 00:05:51,143 development as it starts before birth. 87 00:05:51,178 --> 00:05:53,560 And we're really pushing back that timeframe 88 00:05:53,594 --> 00:05:56,045 to say that there are factors environmentally 89 00:05:56,079 --> 00:05:58,081 that happen, um, prenatally 90 00:05:58,116 --> 00:06:01,326 and so their environment is their mother's. 91 00:06:01,361 --> 00:06:03,293 Human beings are affected by the environment, 92 00:06:03,328 --> 00:06:05,365 as soon as they have an environment. 93 00:06:05,399 --> 00:06:08,713 And that means as soon as we're implanted in the womb. 94 00:06:08,747 --> 00:06:11,957 So, from that moment on, until we die... 95 00:06:13,027 --> 00:06:15,133 Uh, we are creatures 96 00:06:15,167 --> 00:06:18,792 who are interacting with, 97 00:06:18,826 --> 00:06:22,658 shaping, and being shaped by, the environment. 98 00:06:22,692 --> 00:06:24,314 [MUSIC PLAYS] 99 00:06:26,109 --> 00:06:28,629 NARRATOR: Our whole stor is about "little number five" 100 00:06:28,664 --> 00:06:31,770 and how his mother is preparing for him. 101 00:06:31,805 --> 00:06:34,152 She knows that he will have nothing to grow on 102 00:06:34,186 --> 00:06:37,017 except the food that she eats for him. 103 00:06:37,051 --> 00:06:38,984 She really is eating for two people, 104 00:06:39,019 --> 00:06:40,952 herself and "little number five." 105 00:06:41,746 --> 00:06:42,988 JANUS: Fifty years ago, 106 00:06:43,023 --> 00:06:45,853 we have the research to brain development, 107 00:06:45,888 --> 00:06:49,167 we have the epidemiological research 108 00:06:49,201 --> 00:06:55,069 and we have the direct observation, uh, via ultrasound 109 00:06:55,104 --> 00:06:57,417 and film and so on. 110 00:06:57,451 --> 00:07:00,281 The epidemiological research 111 00:07:00,316 --> 00:07:04,424 is coming from a man, uh, whose name is Barker. 112 00:07:06,633 --> 00:07:09,946 Some of the early observations by Barker 113 00:07:09,981 --> 00:07:11,741 were in England and Wales, 114 00:07:11,776 --> 00:07:14,054 that geographically, there were different areas 115 00:07:14,088 --> 00:07:17,264 that had high neonatal mortality risk 116 00:07:17,298 --> 00:07:19,818 as well as high cardiovascular mortality risk. 117 00:07:21,199 --> 00:07:22,580 There were further investigations, 118 00:07:22,614 --> 00:07:25,824 which ultimately linked low birth weight 119 00:07:25,859 --> 00:07:29,552 to an increased risk of cardiovascular mortality. 120 00:07:29,587 --> 00:07:31,140 And when you think about low birth weight, 121 00:07:31,174 --> 00:07:33,936 the main driver is the nutritional environment in utero. 122 00:07:36,145 --> 00:07:39,217 JANUS: That was 2 or 30 years ago, 123 00:07:39,251 --> 00:07:42,392 and there was an explosion of research. 124 00:07:46,569 --> 00:07:48,398 Some of this came out of studies, for example, 125 00:07:48,433 --> 00:07:51,401 with what's called "The Dutch Famine." 126 00:07:51,436 --> 00:07:55,336 BEZRUCHKA: From November, 1944 to April, 1945, 127 00:07:55,371 --> 00:07:57,960 the Nazis constrained the amount of food 128 00:07:57,994 --> 00:08:00,203 going into the Netherlands. 129 00:08:00,238 --> 00:08:04,587 And so the government reduced the rations 130 00:08:04,622 --> 00:08:07,694 from 1,800 calories a day to 900 calories a day. 131 00:08:09,178 --> 00:08:11,318 There were about 5,000 women 132 00:08:11,352 --> 00:08:13,562 who were pregnant during this period. 133 00:08:13,596 --> 00:08:16,047 And what happened was 134 00:08:16,081 --> 00:08:19,395 people followed up in adulthood, 135 00:08:19,429 --> 00:08:23,054 to look at what kind of problems they were having. 136 00:08:23,088 --> 00:08:25,332 Fetuses who were in this period of famine 137 00:08:25,366 --> 00:08:26,885 in the first trimester 138 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:30,786 had a whole host of problems when they got to be my age. 139 00:08:30,820 --> 00:08:32,373 MATE: They will be more likely to develop 140 00:08:32,408 --> 00:08:33,823 the so-called metabolic syndrome, 141 00:08:33,858 --> 00:08:35,376 which consists of diabetes, 142 00:08:35,411 --> 00:08:37,447 high blood pressure and heart problems. 143 00:08:39,001 --> 00:08:40,485 And these are obvious examples 144 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:42,763 of how the environment already in utero 145 00:08:42,798 --> 00:08:45,559 can affect the life of the adult. 146 00:08:45,594 --> 00:08:50,391 The factor that we least appreciate, however, is that 147 00:08:50,426 --> 00:08:54,292 in addition to these self-evident physical factors 148 00:08:54,326 --> 00:08:56,743 is the emotional state of the mother. 149 00:08:56,777 --> 00:08:59,124 About how many months pregnant would you say she is, Doctor? 150 00:08:59,159 --> 00:09:00,298 About seven months. 151 00:09:00,332 --> 00:09:01,989 Have you someone to help you with the housework? 152 00:09:02,024 --> 00:09:04,164 My sister comes in once in a while, 153 00:09:04,198 --> 00:09:06,062 but it's hard for her to get away. 154 00:09:14,001 --> 00:09:16,003 JANUS: In our life, 155 00:09:16,038 --> 00:09:18,419 the first, big person is the mother. 156 00:09:18,454 --> 00:09:22,285 Mother is giving life, giving birth. 157 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,323 And if the mother is feeling well, 158 00:09:25,357 --> 00:09:28,568 the baby feels he is living in a good world. 159 00:09:29,292 --> 00:09:30,742 If the mother has stress, 160 00:09:30,777 --> 00:09:32,951 he feels the world is stressful. 161 00:09:34,574 --> 00:09:36,955 VERNY: Stress decreases the immune response. 162 00:09:36,990 --> 00:09:38,198 Everybody knows that. 163 00:09:38,232 --> 00:09:40,752 If you don't sleep enough, if you work too hard, 164 00:09:40,787 --> 00:09:42,754 your stress level increases, 165 00:09:42,789 --> 00:09:46,171 and your immune system goes down the toilet. 166 00:09:46,206 --> 00:09:48,449 When that happens while you're in utero, 167 00:09:48,484 --> 00:09:50,797 it really affects your immune system 168 00:09:50,831 --> 00:09:52,557 for the rest of your life. 169 00:09:53,696 --> 00:09:55,733 Human beings are affected in their development 170 00:09:55,767 --> 00:09:58,736 by early experiences, including, in the uterus. 171 00:09:58,770 --> 00:10:03,568 They are affected by the emotional environment 172 00:10:03,603 --> 00:10:06,433 in which they're conceived and carried and birthed, 173 00:10:06,467 --> 00:10:08,366 and then reared in. 174 00:10:10,126 --> 00:10:11,818 The broad outlines of that knowledge 175 00:10:11,852 --> 00:10:13,820 has been really well established. 176 00:10:15,235 --> 00:10:17,202 But we're not practicing it as a society, 177 00:10:17,237 --> 00:10:18,479 we're not recognizing it. 178 00:10:23,864 --> 00:10:26,384 Prenatal life is so unknown to us 179 00:10:26,418 --> 00:10:30,146 and yet so important to who we are as people. 180 00:10:30,181 --> 00:10:33,529 You will see it unconsciously expressed in many ways. 181 00:10:33,563 --> 00:10:34,910 You will see it in movies, 182 00:10:34,944 --> 00:10:37,671 you will see it in fairytales, you will see it in novels, 183 00:10:37,706 --> 00:10:40,950 you will see it in mythology, in folklore. 184 00:10:40,985 --> 00:10:43,470 You name it, you will see it there. 185 00:10:44,505 --> 00:10:45,714 JANUS: In older times, 186 00:10:45,748 --> 00:10:48,924 fairy tales were told to the young people 187 00:10:48,958 --> 00:10:52,479 to help them to confront the old anxieties 188 00:10:52,513 --> 00:10:55,758 from birth and from helplessness. 189 00:10:55,793 --> 00:11:00,004 It's the fight with the mighty parent figures. 190 00:11:00,038 --> 00:11:04,180 Maybe a witch, maybe a cruel father figure. 191 00:11:04,215 --> 00:11:07,977 And in modern times, we have films. 192 00:11:08,012 --> 00:11:11,187 They follow the frame of the fairy tales. 193 00:11:15,571 --> 00:11:18,954 In the uterine world, you are swimming, 194 00:11:18,988 --> 00:11:22,267 and there is the film, The Little Mermaid 195 00:11:22,302 --> 00:11:24,960 URSULA: Hurry home, princess. 196 00:11:24,994 --> 00:11:26,513 We wouldn't want to miss 197 00:11:26,547 --> 00:11:29,965 old Daddy's celebration, now, would we? 198 00:11:29,999 --> 00:11:32,105 JANUS: The crisis begins 199 00:11:32,139 --> 00:11:35,177 when she falls in love 200 00:11:35,729 --> 00:11:38,111 and feels weak 201 00:11:38,145 --> 00:11:40,769 and loses her voice... 202 00:11:40,803 --> 00:11:42,563 [VOCALIZING] 203 00:11:42,598 --> 00:11:44,600 And then the film goes back 204 00:11:44,634 --> 00:11:47,016 and shows the background. Keep singing! 205 00:11:47,051 --> 00:11:51,227 There, this is a fixation, anxiety fixation 206 00:11:51,262 --> 00:11:54,886 by a big, cruel, dominating mother. 207 00:11:54,921 --> 00:11:56,508 [CACKLING] 208 00:11:58,787 --> 00:12:03,999 And the story of the film is the fight and overcoming, 209 00:12:04,033 --> 00:12:06,829 being stronger than this mother, 210 00:12:06,864 --> 00:12:09,729 and it is a fight of life and death. 211 00:12:13,180 --> 00:12:15,700 [URSULA CACKLES] 212 00:12:15,735 --> 00:12:18,876 So much for true love! 213 00:12:18,910 --> 00:12:21,533 And these ambivalent feelings 214 00:12:21,568 --> 00:12:24,157 against the mother are natural. 215 00:12:24,191 --> 00:12:28,161 If it is going good, our life is an adventure. 216 00:12:28,195 --> 00:12:31,578 If it is bad, it is traumatic, it is suffering. 217 00:12:35,858 --> 00:12:38,412 Intrauterine life is not a paradise 218 00:12:38,447 --> 00:12:43,038 as some people try to make us believe. 219 00:12:43,072 --> 00:12:46,386 We are the receiver of all the happiness 220 00:12:46,420 --> 00:12:49,596 and of all the anxieties 221 00:12:49,630 --> 00:12:51,943 and difficulties of our parents. 222 00:12:53,358 --> 00:12:57,742 The fetus is a sentient being. 223 00:12:59,675 --> 00:13:02,989 Think of it as moving, quivering, 224 00:13:05,129 --> 00:13:06,682 without a skin. 225 00:13:09,133 --> 00:13:12,481 He marinates in the feelings of the mother. 226 00:13:13,689 --> 00:13:15,795 BAIL: It feels every shudder. 227 00:13:15,829 --> 00:13:18,452 It feels the mother's gladness and happiness 228 00:13:18,487 --> 00:13:21,697 but it feels every anxiety. 229 00:13:21,731 --> 00:13:26,391 It's the anxieties that cause the difficulties. 230 00:13:26,426 --> 00:13:29,601 And of course, something that happened in the womb 231 00:13:29,636 --> 00:13:31,362 would be at the deepest level. 232 00:13:31,396 --> 00:13:33,088 It's at the start of your life, 233 00:13:33,122 --> 00:13:37,092 it happens with the woman who gave you life. 234 00:13:37,126 --> 00:13:38,818 This would be at the deepest level, I think, 235 00:13:38,852 --> 00:13:40,371 of everybody's personality. 236 00:13:43,892 --> 00:13:45,445 NESCI: Since I was a child, 237 00:13:45,479 --> 00:13:50,139 I had the feeling that there were family secrets. 238 00:13:50,174 --> 00:13:52,245 My father and my mother gave me 239 00:13:52,279 --> 00:13:55,317 versions of the history of the family. 240 00:13:55,351 --> 00:14:00,011 That was something that didn't work out completely. 241 00:14:00,046 --> 00:14:03,635 So, I understood I had to look for something 242 00:14:03,670 --> 00:14:09,089 that was beyond what appeared on the surface. 243 00:14:09,124 --> 00:14:13,197 I think from here came my interest in the unconscious. 244 00:14:13,231 --> 00:14:15,924 [SPEAKING ITALIAN] 245 00:14:18,409 --> 00:14:21,861 I was very interested in dreams and movies 246 00:14:21,895 --> 00:14:24,864 because they speak a very similar language. 247 00:14:28,039 --> 00:14:30,559 If you look at Alice in Wonderland, 248 00:14:30,593 --> 00:14:32,285 you have the rabbit. 249 00:14:32,319 --> 00:14:34,943 [WHISTLING] [CAT MEOWS] 250 00:14:34,977 --> 00:14:38,118 The rabbit is the animal of making many children. 251 00:14:38,153 --> 00:14:39,568 โ™ช No, no, no, I'm overdue! 252 00:14:39,602 --> 00:14:41,225 โ™ช I'm really in a stew 253 00:14:41,259 --> 00:14:42,847 โ™ช No time to say "Goodbye," hello! 254 00:14:42,882 --> 00:14:43,917 โ™ช I'm late, I'm late, I'm late! โ™ช 255 00:14:43,952 --> 00:14:45,332 What can I do for you? 256 00:14:45,367 --> 00:14:47,196 Well, I'm looking for a white rabbit. 257 00:14:47,231 --> 00:14:48,888 So, um, if you don't mind... 258 00:14:48,922 --> 00:14:51,028 Eh? Oh! 259 00:14:51,062 --> 00:14:53,306 There he is! I simply must get through! 260 00:14:53,340 --> 00:14:54,997 Sorry, you're much too big. 261 00:14:55,032 --> 00:14:56,343 Simply impassable. 262 00:14:56,378 --> 00:14:58,552 You mean, "Impossible?" No, impassable. 263 00:14:58,587 --> 00:15:00,382 Nothing's impossible. 264 00:15:00,416 --> 00:15:02,902 There is always this question... 265 00:15:02,936 --> 00:15:06,802 Too big, too small? 266 00:15:06,836 --> 00:15:11,911 Always the problem, to get into? Or to go out? 267 00:15:11,945 --> 00:15:14,258 To "go out" is to be delivered. 268 00:15:20,333 --> 00:15:21,886 [SHRIEKING] 269 00:15:26,166 --> 00:15:30,757 Once upon a time, we were walking on four legs. 270 00:15:30,791 --> 00:15:34,519 We had a head which was smaller 271 00:15:34,554 --> 00:15:39,628 and we had hips that were larger. 272 00:15:39,662 --> 00:15:43,804 So, the birth channel was very big. 273 00:15:44,495 --> 00:15:46,704 When the human beings 274 00:15:46,738 --> 00:15:50,777 began to reach bipedal erect posture, 275 00:15:52,158 --> 00:15:54,746 gradually the bones changed 276 00:15:54,781 --> 00:16:00,028 and the birth channel became more narrow. 277 00:16:00,062 --> 00:16:03,583 And then another thing happened. 278 00:16:03,617 --> 00:16:07,000 The brain became larger. 279 00:16:07,035 --> 00:16:11,246 And here, the obstetrical dilemma came. 280 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:14,318 How would it be able that the new human baby 281 00:16:14,352 --> 00:16:18,770 could come out of the womb with such a big head? 282 00:16:18,805 --> 00:16:21,601 So, if you see the whole movie again, 283 00:16:21,635 --> 00:16:24,224 thinking of the obstetrical dilemma, 284 00:16:24,259 --> 00:16:26,088 you will get another picture. 285 00:16:26,123 --> 00:16:28,815 Someone's head will roll for this! 286 00:16:30,575 --> 00:16:32,025 Yours! 287 00:16:33,268 --> 00:16:36,788 And there is the issue of cutting the head. 288 00:16:36,823 --> 00:16:38,100 The dream of mothers, 289 00:16:38,135 --> 00:16:40,206 if you can cut the head of the child, 290 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:41,517 the child can come out. 291 00:16:41,552 --> 00:16:43,519 Off with their heads! 292 00:16:43,554 --> 00:16:44,624 [ALL CHEERING] 293 00:16:44,658 --> 00:16:47,178 Off with her head! 294 00:16:47,696 --> 00:16:49,560 Off with her... 295 00:16:49,594 --> 00:16:54,668 Slowly, uh, there was a sort of natural selection 296 00:16:54,703 --> 00:16:56,774 that the women who were able 297 00:16:56,808 --> 00:17:00,260 to deliver earlier survived. 298 00:17:00,295 --> 00:17:02,814 Because if you delivered earlier, 299 00:17:02,849 --> 00:17:04,782 the baby is smaller. 300 00:17:04,816 --> 00:17:07,888 And if it is smaller, it can come out. 301 00:17:09,649 --> 00:17:10,995 Monster! 302 00:17:12,134 --> 00:17:13,204 Help! 303 00:17:13,929 --> 00:17:15,586 Ah! I'm late! 304 00:17:15,620 --> 00:17:18,692 Biochemically, and physiologically, in so many ways 305 00:17:18,727 --> 00:17:21,695 the human infant is way behind other mammals. 306 00:17:21,730 --> 00:17:25,182 JANUS: We are all born unripe, 307 00:17:25,216 --> 00:17:26,838 very helpless, 308 00:17:26,873 --> 00:17:31,084 therefore a good bonding and a welcoming mother 309 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:34,053 is important for development of a child. 310 00:17:35,985 --> 00:17:38,022 In earlier centuries, 311 00:17:38,057 --> 00:17:42,475 birth and pregnancy and the fate of woman 312 00:17:42,509 --> 00:17:45,064 was very, very difficult. 313 00:17:45,098 --> 00:17:49,965 Every sixth birth meant death for the mother. 314 00:17:49,999 --> 00:17:53,796 Up to one half of the children 315 00:17:53,831 --> 00:17:57,248 died during birth or in the first year. 316 00:17:57,283 --> 00:18:01,218 And, therefore, was an anxiety from the woman 317 00:18:01,252 --> 00:18:04,876 and from the men, to all, what birth meant. 318 00:18:05,843 --> 00:18:07,879 In the last 50 years, 319 00:18:07,914 --> 00:18:10,675 birth becomes safer and safer. 320 00:18:10,710 --> 00:18:14,334 Now we have, uh, the power, 321 00:18:14,369 --> 00:18:18,166 or the stability, or the safety to confront 322 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:20,444 and to be curious. 323 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:30,937 BRENTON: I started out in the lab 324 00:18:30,971 --> 00:18:34,872 studying very narrow questions in animal models. 325 00:18:34,906 --> 00:18:37,081 And I quickly realized that 326 00:18:37,116 --> 00:18:39,497 I was interested in broader questions 327 00:18:39,532 --> 00:18:40,981 that affected human health. 328 00:18:42,328 --> 00:18:43,915 I grew up in Southern California 329 00:18:43,950 --> 00:18:45,779 and I grew up with "smog alert" days 330 00:18:45,814 --> 00:18:47,954 and when pollution was very much defined 331 00:18:47,988 --> 00:18:49,921 by whether or not we could see the mountains 332 00:18:49,956 --> 00:18:51,578 that were theoretically really close by. 333 00:18:55,030 --> 00:18:56,135 I grew up in one of the communities 334 00:18:56,169 --> 00:18:57,412 that we actually study now, 335 00:18:57,446 --> 00:18:59,552 which I always think is kind of ironic. 336 00:18:59,586 --> 00:19:02,969 And it wasn't until a little bit later that the epigenetics came in. 337 00:19:06,145 --> 00:19:09,769 "Epi" really means, "on top of" genetics. 338 00:19:09,803 --> 00:19:11,874 So, when we think about our genetic code, 339 00:19:11,909 --> 00:19:13,807 which is our DNA sequence, 340 00:19:13,842 --> 00:19:15,775 when we talk about epigenetics, 341 00:19:15,809 --> 00:19:19,192 we're thinking about other factors, other things, 342 00:19:19,227 --> 00:19:24,024 that can be on top of or attached to that 343 00:19:24,059 --> 00:19:27,752 can help fine-tune the genetic code to turn genes on and off. 344 00:19:28,891 --> 00:19:30,583 YEHUDA: This is something 345 00:19:30,617 --> 00:19:35,691 that we're just beginning to explore, gene by gene. 346 00:19:35,726 --> 00:19:37,728 It's not what genes you're carrying, 347 00:19:37,762 --> 00:19:39,039 it's what gets expressed. 348 00:19:41,973 --> 00:19:45,218 Genes are, you know, only the blueprint. 349 00:19:45,253 --> 00:19:47,841 Imagine you have a blueprint for a house. 350 00:19:47,876 --> 00:19:50,189 You have a house that you have built, 351 00:19:50,223 --> 00:19:52,501 sort of, to your own specifications. 352 00:19:52,536 --> 00:19:54,365 And it has followed the blueprint 353 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:55,953 in terms of where things are 354 00:19:55,987 --> 00:19:57,437 but a lot of things have changed 355 00:19:57,472 --> 00:20:02,270 as a result of all kinds of environmental factors. 356 00:20:02,304 --> 00:20:05,273 Being able to adapt to a changing environment quickly 357 00:20:05,307 --> 00:20:06,895 is very important. 358 00:20:06,929 --> 00:20:11,451 However, not every adaptation is necessarily going to be for the better. 359 00:20:15,075 --> 00:20:17,354 When the sperm and the egg are forming, 360 00:20:17,388 --> 00:20:18,700 as part of normal development, 361 00:20:18,734 --> 00:20:23,014 there's this period of erasing past marks, basically, 362 00:20:23,049 --> 00:20:26,984 and re-establishing the new set of marks for the future of that cell. 363 00:20:27,018 --> 00:20:30,229 And then this happens again in early embryogenesis. 364 00:20:30,263 --> 00:20:33,404 In some ways, wiping the old slate clean 365 00:20:33,439 --> 00:20:37,236 and starting new for this new fetus, this new baby. 366 00:20:40,515 --> 00:20:42,033 There is a whole period of time 367 00:20:42,068 --> 00:20:44,035 during fetal development where many things, 368 00:20:44,070 --> 00:20:47,211 including just the environment that the fetus is growing in, 369 00:20:47,246 --> 00:20:49,627 could alter or shift that process. 370 00:20:52,009 --> 00:20:53,597 YEHUDA: It's fantastic. 371 00:20:53,631 --> 00:20:57,532 Because the idea of epigenetic changes, 372 00:20:57,566 --> 00:21:01,121 based on exposure to the environment 373 00:21:01,156 --> 00:21:02,468 at different intervals 374 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,885 really provides the body with a way 375 00:21:05,919 --> 00:21:09,198 of continuously adapting to their environment. 376 00:21:09,233 --> 00:21:12,478 Bad environmental events cause change, 377 00:21:12,512 --> 00:21:15,757 good environmental events cause change. 378 00:21:15,791 --> 00:21:19,036 And what you gotta do is just make sure that 379 00:21:19,070 --> 00:21:20,865 you have enough of the good events. 380 00:21:30,012 --> 00:21:32,083 MATE: I was conceived 381 00:21:32,118 --> 00:21:34,948 during the Second World War in Budapest, Hungary, 382 00:21:34,983 --> 00:21:36,778 in 1943, 383 00:21:36,812 --> 00:21:40,195 at a time when Hungary, being an ally of Germany, 384 00:21:40,229 --> 00:21:43,232 uh, was in the war on Germany's side 385 00:21:43,267 --> 00:21:45,407 and there was a lot of anti-Semitic legislation, 386 00:21:45,442 --> 00:21:46,926 restrictions and threats. 387 00:21:48,617 --> 00:21:51,275 The genocide hadn't happened yet. 388 00:21:51,310 --> 00:21:54,278 And then, I'm born in January, 1944. 389 00:21:54,313 --> 00:21:56,970 And then, the Germans marched into the country in March. 390 00:21:57,005 --> 00:21:58,972 March of 1944. 391 00:21:59,007 --> 00:22:01,216 And, as my mother told me, 392 00:22:01,250 --> 00:22:03,563 the next day, she phoned the pediatrician to say that 393 00:22:03,598 --> 00:22:06,394 Gabor is crying all the time, you should come and see him. 394 00:22:06,428 --> 00:22:08,810 And the doctor said, "Sure, I'll come, 395 00:22:08,844 --> 00:22:10,018 "but I should tell you, 396 00:22:10,052 --> 00:22:11,778 "all my Jewish babies are crying." 397 00:22:15,092 --> 00:22:19,096 It's so clear to me that the fear that I've carried all my life, 398 00:22:19,130 --> 00:22:23,825 literally in my molecules, is my mother's terror, 399 00:22:25,136 --> 00:22:27,553 and then the terror that I experienced, 400 00:22:27,587 --> 00:22:30,072 during the first year of life under Nazi occupation. 401 00:22:32,523 --> 00:22:34,732 Those experiences have stamped my personality, 402 00:22:34,767 --> 00:22:38,598 they've stamped, um, my reactivity to the world, 403 00:22:38,633 --> 00:22:40,393 they've stamped my worldview, 404 00:22:40,428 --> 00:22:42,533 mostly on the unconscious level. 405 00:22:42,568 --> 00:22:44,121 I wasn't a happy camper. I was... 406 00:22:44,155 --> 00:22:45,640 Lot of issues in my personal life, 407 00:22:45,674 --> 00:22:48,159 a lot of depression, anxiety. 408 00:22:48,194 --> 00:22:52,440 Then I realized in my 50s that I had ADD. 409 00:22:52,474 --> 00:22:55,822 I clearly see that this is not a genetic disease, 410 00:22:55,857 --> 00:22:58,480 despite the so-called experts. 411 00:22:58,515 --> 00:23:02,622 Um, it is the impact of stress in the early environment. 412 00:23:04,762 --> 00:23:06,039 YEHUDA: When I was in school, 413 00:23:06,074 --> 00:23:09,353 we used to have conversations about nature versus nurture. 414 00:23:10,078 --> 00:23:11,769 Nobody says that anymore. 415 00:23:11,804 --> 00:23:14,151 We don't have nature here, and nurture here. 416 00:23:14,185 --> 00:23:17,016 We have nature and nurture interacting 417 00:23:17,050 --> 00:23:18,983 to form a new thing. 418 00:23:19,018 --> 00:23:21,779 I do research on post-traumatic stress disorder 419 00:23:21,814 --> 00:23:24,886 and its effects on trauma survivors 420 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,095 and, actually, the next generation. 421 00:23:27,992 --> 00:23:30,374 I'm interested in understanding 422 00:23:30,409 --> 00:23:34,723 individual differences and how they manifest 423 00:23:34,758 --> 00:23:37,243 interacting with the environment 424 00:23:37,277 --> 00:23:39,763 and, more specifically, traumatic events. 425 00:23:41,454 --> 00:23:43,801 We have been doing studies of 426 00:23:43,836 --> 00:23:46,079 adult children of Holocaust survivors 427 00:23:46,114 --> 00:23:48,012 and we were finding 428 00:23:48,047 --> 00:23:50,946 very interesting and important effects. 429 00:23:50,981 --> 00:23:53,501 If the offspring will be raised in the same context, 430 00:23:53,535 --> 00:23:55,606 their body will need to be prepared 431 00:23:55,641 --> 00:23:58,506 maybe for prolonged periods of starvation 432 00:23:58,540 --> 00:24:01,370 or maybe for overwhelming stress. 433 00:24:01,405 --> 00:24:03,338 So, having a change that is passed 434 00:24:03,372 --> 00:24:07,584 from mother to offspring could be very helpful. 435 00:24:07,618 --> 00:24:09,033 Maybe less helpful, 436 00:24:09,068 --> 00:24:10,863 if the offspring is not gonna live 437 00:24:10,897 --> 00:24:12,451 in the same environment. 438 00:24:12,485 --> 00:24:16,178 An offspring lives in urban New York 439 00:24:16,213 --> 00:24:18,871 where starvation is really not an issue, 440 00:24:18,905 --> 00:24:20,735 then having the same kind of 441 00:24:20,769 --> 00:24:23,634 biological adaptations being transmitted 442 00:24:23,669 --> 00:24:25,912 may actually result in a flip side 443 00:24:25,947 --> 00:24:27,535 of just being anxious, 444 00:24:27,569 --> 00:24:29,295 and people not understanding why. 445 00:24:29,329 --> 00:24:31,366 Or even you not understanding why. 446 00:24:32,678 --> 00:24:34,818 From this evolutionary perspective, 447 00:24:34,852 --> 00:24:38,511 the fetus gets constructed via epigenetic processes, 448 00:24:38,546 --> 00:24:39,857 to be awfully alert 449 00:24:39,892 --> 00:24:44,206 because that would be adaptive in a threatening environment. 450 00:24:44,241 --> 00:24:48,003 But if you were wired to be very adaptive and very vigilant, 451 00:24:48,038 --> 00:24:51,075 that's not a good fit with a postnatal environment 452 00:24:51,110 --> 00:24:54,078 in the late 20th or early 21st century, 453 00:24:54,113 --> 00:24:58,462 where the requirements for, you know, success in school 454 00:24:58,497 --> 00:25:01,154 is to be able to sit very placidly, 455 00:25:01,189 --> 00:25:03,260 to have very unique focus, 456 00:25:03,294 --> 00:25:05,745 to not be oriented to what's going around. 457 00:25:05,780 --> 00:25:08,265 So, again, it's this bad fit. 458 00:25:08,299 --> 00:25:11,164 MATE: If there's a lot of stress in the early environment, 459 00:25:11,199 --> 00:25:12,649 then the infant's capacity 460 00:25:12,683 --> 00:25:15,479 to respond to stress will be altered. 461 00:25:15,514 --> 00:25:17,964 The tuning out itself, which is the hallmark of ADD, 462 00:25:17,999 --> 00:25:19,725 is nothing but a defense mechanism. 463 00:25:19,759 --> 00:25:21,658 Infants, when their brains are developing, 464 00:25:21,692 --> 00:25:23,211 if there's stress around them, 465 00:25:23,245 --> 00:25:24,971 they'll tune out, that's how they survive, 466 00:25:25,006 --> 00:25:27,560 the tuning out gets programed into their brains... 467 00:25:27,595 --> 00:25:30,149 Bing! They're diagnosed with ADHD. 468 00:25:30,183 --> 00:25:32,565 Not enough dopamine, let's give you Ritalin. 469 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,567 [MOROSE MUSIC PLAYING] 470 00:25:59,212 --> 00:26:02,457 MATE: There are 3 millio kids in the United States, 471 00:26:02,491 --> 00:26:04,183 according to latest figures, 472 00:26:04,217 --> 00:26:06,772 who are taking stimulant medications for ADHD. 473 00:26:07,635 --> 00:26:08,808 There are 500,000 kids, 474 00:26:08,843 --> 00:26:09,913 according to the latest statistics, 475 00:26:09,947 --> 00:26:12,087 who are taking anti-psychotic medications. 476 00:26:13,779 --> 00:26:16,022 They're getting these medications 477 00:26:16,057 --> 00:26:18,507 not because they're psychotic. 478 00:26:18,542 --> 00:26:20,509 They're getting them because 479 00:26:20,544 --> 00:26:22,339 it's the only way we can figure out, 480 00:26:22,373 --> 00:26:24,928 when I say "we" I mean society, 481 00:26:24,962 --> 00:26:26,792 to control their behaviors. 482 00:26:26,826 --> 00:26:28,034 And this is what 483 00:26:28,069 --> 00:26:30,243 the pharmaceutical industry is able to exploit 484 00:26:30,278 --> 00:26:32,521 in their promotion of high volume drug use 485 00:26:32,556 --> 00:26:34,489 in their advertisements. 486 00:26:34,523 --> 00:26:37,285 We don't even know what the long-term effects are 487 00:26:37,319 --> 00:26:39,287 of anti-psychotics on the developing brain. 488 00:26:39,908 --> 00:26:40,978 And yet we still see 489 00:26:41,013 --> 00:26:42,842 medication advertised as a quick fix, 490 00:26:42,877 --> 00:26:44,879 endorsed by the medical profession. 491 00:26:46,915 --> 00:26:49,435 Well, what's going on? 492 00:26:49,469 --> 00:26:52,403 And what's going on with the burgeoning diagnosis of ADHD 493 00:26:52,438 --> 00:26:54,060 and opposition defiant disorder 494 00:26:54,095 --> 00:26:55,855 and bipolar disorder in kids 495 00:26:55,890 --> 00:26:59,859 and autism, which has gone up 40-fold in the last 30 years. 496 00:26:59,894 --> 00:27:03,276 What's going on and what we're not recognizing is that 497 00:27:03,311 --> 00:27:06,970 people are parenting and conceiving 498 00:27:07,004 --> 00:27:09,420 and carrying and birthing children 499 00:27:09,455 --> 00:27:11,457 under increasingly stressed conditions. 500 00:27:20,949 --> 00:27:24,194 HIRSCH: In our society there's so much rushing. 501 00:27:24,228 --> 00:27:26,748 You're so busy. Everything going, going, going. 502 00:27:26,783 --> 00:27:29,199 Our mind that's always busy chattering 503 00:27:29,233 --> 00:27:30,614 and making us stressed. 504 00:27:33,824 --> 00:27:34,963 I was born in Israel. 505 00:27:34,998 --> 00:27:36,585 My mother said there was a place 506 00:27:36,620 --> 00:27:38,208 where all the mothers went 507 00:27:38,242 --> 00:27:39,968 with their babies for a few weeks, 508 00:27:40,003 --> 00:27:43,316 then they bonded and then they all went home together. 509 00:27:43,938 --> 00:27:45,767 We don't have that here. 510 00:27:45,802 --> 00:27:48,943 We barely get to stay overnight in the hospital now. 511 00:27:49,909 --> 00:27:52,809 Increasingly, it takes two people now 512 00:27:52,843 --> 00:27:55,363 to provide a living in this culture to families. 513 00:27:55,397 --> 00:27:56,571 And they're doing so 514 00:27:56,605 --> 00:27:58,435 in the context of less support. 515 00:27:58,469 --> 00:28:00,126 Because one of the ravages 516 00:28:00,161 --> 00:28:02,888 of industrialization and globalization 517 00:28:02,922 --> 00:28:05,511 is the destruction of the extended family, 518 00:28:05,545 --> 00:28:09,066 the tribe, the clan, the village, the neighborhood. 519 00:28:11,275 --> 00:28:12,760 MONK: Frankly, hundreds of years ago, 520 00:28:12,794 --> 00:28:14,520 not to glorify the past, 'cause there were other stressors, 521 00:28:14,554 --> 00:28:16,936 but you had extended family around. 522 00:28:16,971 --> 00:28:20,560 I think we don't talk about that enough in our society. 523 00:28:20,595 --> 00:28:22,562 So, there's less support, there's less context, 524 00:28:22,597 --> 00:28:27,188 there's less connection that people can benefit from. 525 00:28:27,222 --> 00:28:29,638 Less connection with grandparents, 526 00:28:29,673 --> 00:28:32,020 elders, wiser women. 527 00:28:37,025 --> 00:28:39,303 MONK: We started by saying, 528 00:28:39,338 --> 00:28:41,271 "Let's try to bring this into the lab 529 00:28:41,305 --> 00:28:43,307 "and get pregnant women to, 530 00:28:43,342 --> 00:28:46,172 "what we call acutely, briefly feel stress." 531 00:28:47,553 --> 00:28:50,936 And when we divided the fetal response, 532 00:28:50,970 --> 00:28:53,248 the fetuses whose mothers were high-anxious 533 00:28:53,283 --> 00:28:55,009 had a heart rate increase. 534 00:28:55,043 --> 00:28:57,218 And the fetuses of mothers who were low-anxious, 535 00:28:57,252 --> 00:28:59,013 either had no change or a decrease. 536 00:29:00,186 --> 00:29:01,222 And then, what we saw is 537 00:29:01,256 --> 00:29:03,155 if you go all the way out to women 538 00:29:03,189 --> 00:29:05,329 reaching criteria for depression, 539 00:29:05,364 --> 00:29:08,988 their fetuses have a significant stress response in the lab. 540 00:29:09,023 --> 00:29:10,679 Your breathing goes up, your blood pressure goes up, 541 00:29:10,714 --> 00:29:12,474 and your heart rate is going up. 542 00:29:12,509 --> 00:29:14,200 That's all stimuli to the fetus. 543 00:29:15,926 --> 00:29:18,446 So, over the course of pregnancy, 544 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,035 being in an environment of a woman 545 00:29:21,069 --> 00:29:23,692 who is seriously depressed, 546 00:29:23,727 --> 00:29:26,212 is different than being in an environment of a woman 547 00:29:26,247 --> 00:29:29,595 who is feeling fine. No symptoms. 548 00:29:29,629 --> 00:29:31,977 And that shapes fetuses 549 00:29:32,011 --> 00:29:33,564 so that by the end of pregnancy, 550 00:29:33,599 --> 00:29:36,533 when they get a stimuli, like the heart rate change, 551 00:29:36,567 --> 00:29:38,466 they're showing differences almost, 552 00:29:38,500 --> 00:29:39,950 we want to say, in temperament. 553 00:29:39,985 --> 00:29:41,262 In their reactivity style. 554 00:29:41,296 --> 00:29:44,023 Big reactors, or just calm. 555 00:29:53,861 --> 00:29:56,070 MATE: Emotiona states aren't just 556 00:29:56,104 --> 00:30:00,039 abstract psychological experiences. 557 00:30:00,074 --> 00:30:03,905 They have their physiological correlates in the body. 558 00:30:03,940 --> 00:30:06,666 So, if I were to scream at you right now, 559 00:30:06,701 --> 00:30:09,359 your body would change in a split second. 560 00:30:10,291 --> 00:30:11,844 Nobody touched you, 561 00:30:11,879 --> 00:30:13,535 nobody put any poison into you, 562 00:30:13,570 --> 00:30:16,297 but your body would be in a completely altered state. 563 00:30:16,331 --> 00:30:19,369 High levels of cortisol, the stress hormone, 564 00:30:19,403 --> 00:30:21,474 would be elevating your blood sugar 565 00:30:21,509 --> 00:30:25,168 so that you could fight or have more energy to escape. 566 00:30:25,202 --> 00:30:28,205 Adrenaline would be pumping through your system, 567 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,000 causing your heart to beat faster, 568 00:30:30,035 --> 00:30:32,278 causing your muscles to tighten up, to be stronger, 569 00:30:32,313 --> 00:30:33,693 giving you more energy, 570 00:30:33,728 --> 00:30:36,800 enabling you to escape or to struggle. 571 00:30:36,835 --> 00:30:38,664 And what if you're carrying a baby? 572 00:30:40,114 --> 00:30:41,736 And what if you're chronically scared? 573 00:30:41,770 --> 00:30:43,462 Those same stress hormones 574 00:30:44,532 --> 00:30:46,327 and other compounds 575 00:30:46,361 --> 00:30:49,088 would be going through the placenta, to the infant. 576 00:30:49,123 --> 00:30:51,401 [INDISTINCT SHOUTING] 577 00:30:53,610 --> 00:30:54,991 [GLASS SHATTERS] 578 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,064 [SIREN WAILING] 579 00:31:02,930 --> 00:31:04,586 MATE: Already back in the 1970s, 580 00:31:04,621 --> 00:31:06,934 there was a CTV documentary 581 00:31:06,968 --> 00:31:11,145 on how emotional deprivation in early childhood 582 00:31:11,179 --> 00:31:14,320 fosters the development of violence and aggression. 583 00:31:14,355 --> 00:31:16,460 Psychologists proved the inverse relationship 584 00:31:16,495 --> 00:31:17,703 of violence and affection 585 00:31:17,737 --> 00:31:19,705 by studying what happens to monkeys 586 00:31:19,739 --> 00:31:21,258 who don't get any mothering. 587 00:31:21,293 --> 00:31:22,708 Parents who are stressed 588 00:31:22,742 --> 00:31:24,952 have been shown not to be able to be 589 00:31:24,986 --> 00:31:27,126 as attuned to their infants and children 590 00:31:27,161 --> 00:31:28,334 as parents who are not stressed. 591 00:31:28,369 --> 00:31:29,784 Not their fault. 592 00:31:29,818 --> 00:31:31,751 Not because they don't love the child. 593 00:31:31,786 --> 00:31:34,306 Not because they're not dedicated, devoted, committed. 594 00:31:34,340 --> 00:31:37,447 Simply because the stress effect 595 00:31:37,481 --> 00:31:41,209 impedes their ability, not to love their child, 596 00:31:41,244 --> 00:31:43,936 but to attune with their child. 597 00:31:43,971 --> 00:31:46,318 So, that mutual responsiveness is interfered with. 598 00:31:46,352 --> 00:31:48,009 And that has an impact on brain development. 599 00:31:49,631 --> 00:31:51,564 There's an important chemical called dopamine. 600 00:31:51,599 --> 00:31:54,257 Dopamine is essential for motivation and attention. 601 00:31:54,291 --> 00:31:55,741 Now you take infant monkeys 602 00:31:55,775 --> 00:31:57,294 and you measure their dopamine levels 603 00:31:57,329 --> 00:31:58,778 in the front part of the brain, 604 00:32:00,263 --> 00:32:01,816 and you find it to be normal. 605 00:32:01,850 --> 00:32:03,438 Separate them from their mothers? 606 00:32:03,473 --> 00:32:05,854 Those dopamine levels have diminished. 607 00:32:05,889 --> 00:32:08,409 In other words, the child's brain chemistry is affected 608 00:32:08,443 --> 00:32:09,997 by the unavailability of the mother. 609 00:32:10,031 --> 00:32:13,103 And this is true even if the mother is physically there 610 00:32:13,138 --> 00:32:14,587 but emotionally absent. 611 00:32:14,622 --> 00:32:16,624 Imagine two tuning forks, 612 00:32:16,658 --> 00:32:19,903 like in this very famous "Still Face Experiment". 613 00:32:19,938 --> 00:32:25,150 The mother is one tuning fork and it starts vibrating. 614 00:32:25,184 --> 00:32:26,910 And the baby's tuning fork 615 00:32:26,945 --> 00:32:30,949 begins to vibrate in unison with hers. 616 00:32:30,983 --> 00:32:32,502 And when that happens, 617 00:32:32,536 --> 00:32:37,231 gradually, its own prefrontal cortex gets tuned. 618 00:32:37,265 --> 00:32:39,785 So, it becomes empathic. 619 00:32:39,819 --> 00:32:42,753 It begins to relate to the mother. 620 00:32:42,788 --> 00:32:44,445 Infants don't understand words. 621 00:32:45,825 --> 00:32:47,827 So, they respond to body language. 622 00:32:49,174 --> 00:32:51,659 So, is my mother rigid? Or relaxed? 623 00:32:52,763 --> 00:32:54,662 Is she afraid? Because if she's afraid, I am, 624 00:32:54,696 --> 00:32:56,802 because she's my protector. 625 00:32:56,836 --> 00:32:59,529 So, if she's afraid, who's going to protect me? 626 00:32:59,563 --> 00:33:01,048 The size of the mother's pupils, 627 00:33:01,082 --> 00:33:02,670 the mother's voice, 628 00:33:02,704 --> 00:33:05,984 is it confident and relaxed, or is it tense? 629 00:33:06,915 --> 00:33:08,607 These are not conscious thoughts, 630 00:33:08,641 --> 00:33:10,333 but this is the infant's experience. 631 00:33:10,367 --> 00:33:12,024 Depressed mothers, 632 00:33:12,059 --> 00:33:16,304 or even worse, um, schizophrenic mothers. 633 00:33:16,339 --> 00:33:18,168 They are not in synchrony. 634 00:33:18,203 --> 00:33:20,205 The baby is getting the message 635 00:33:20,239 --> 00:33:22,483 that there's something wrong with it. 636 00:33:22,517 --> 00:33:23,898 Its prefrontal cortex 637 00:33:23,932 --> 00:33:26,556 is not going to be tuned properly. 638 00:33:26,590 --> 00:33:28,523 So, that baby is going to develop 639 00:33:28,558 --> 00:33:30,939 a kind of depressive personality. 640 00:33:31,664 --> 00:33:34,598 Okay... [CRYING] 641 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:40,259 I am here. And what are you doing? 642 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:42,641 Oh, yes. Oh! 643 00:33:42,675 --> 00:33:43,883 CTV REPORTER: The monkeys tell us more 644 00:33:43,918 --> 00:33:46,886 about the severe effects of infant deprivation. 645 00:33:46,921 --> 00:33:48,578 The ones that were reared in isolation 646 00:33:48,612 --> 00:33:49,993 just don't behave normally 647 00:33:50,028 --> 00:33:51,788 when they're finally given a playmate. 648 00:33:51,822 --> 00:33:54,411 They rarely touch, and when they do, 649 00:33:54,446 --> 00:33:56,586 the contact's surprisingly vicious. 650 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,109 VERNY: Children who are emotionally inhibited 651 00:34:02,143 --> 00:34:04,421 will become dysfunctional adults. 652 00:34:04,456 --> 00:34:06,458 They will have difficulty learning 653 00:34:06,492 --> 00:34:08,563 and will be more hostile. 654 00:34:08,598 --> 00:34:11,118 And that starts right in the womb. 655 00:34:14,638 --> 00:34:17,848 When the brain begins to be organized, 656 00:34:17,883 --> 00:34:21,128 um, genetically speaking, 657 00:34:21,162 --> 00:34:25,718 each neuron is destined for a certain place 658 00:34:25,753 --> 00:34:27,789 where it will eventually end up. 659 00:34:29,964 --> 00:34:31,828 THOMASON: Neurons, brain cells 660 00:34:31,862 --> 00:34:34,831 are the information processing units of the brain 661 00:34:34,865 --> 00:34:37,489 and they make connections 662 00:34:37,523 --> 00:34:42,287 and they organize themselves into functional networks. 663 00:34:43,219 --> 00:34:45,945 In every second of prenatal life, 664 00:34:45,980 --> 00:34:49,846 50,000 new neurons are being produced. 665 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:51,675 Every second. 666 00:34:51,710 --> 00:34:54,989 There is not a machine in the world that can duplicate that. 667 00:35:02,583 --> 00:35:05,586 And when you have all those neurons being produced, 668 00:35:05,620 --> 00:35:08,968 they are very vulnerable. 669 00:35:09,003 --> 00:35:11,454 And the smallest, smallest influence 670 00:35:11,488 --> 00:35:14,353 will make a huge sort of imprint 671 00:35:14,388 --> 00:35:17,115 on those neurons and the neural circuits. 672 00:35:18,495 --> 00:35:20,566 If there is chronic stress, 673 00:35:20,601 --> 00:35:23,914 the woman is constantly obsessing about something, 674 00:35:23,949 --> 00:35:25,502 or worrying about something, 675 00:35:25,537 --> 00:35:28,471 more and more stress hormones, like cortisone, 676 00:35:28,505 --> 00:35:31,819 is being pushed into the blood stream. 677 00:35:31,853 --> 00:35:35,754 When you have too much cortisone in the brain itself, 678 00:35:35,788 --> 00:35:38,998 then the nerve cells will be interfered with 679 00:35:39,033 --> 00:35:42,726 in their passage and they may even be destroyed. 680 00:35:44,901 --> 00:35:46,834 We were the first or amongst the first 681 00:35:46,868 --> 00:35:50,424 to glimpse inside at the brain becoming wired up. 682 00:35:51,528 --> 00:35:53,668 With this new, safe MRI technology, 683 00:35:53,703 --> 00:35:56,913 we're observing large-scale systems. 684 00:35:56,947 --> 00:36:00,227 What we see in infants exposed to stress in utero 685 00:36:00,261 --> 00:36:03,644 is reduced brain volume, reduced gray matter density. 686 00:36:03,678 --> 00:36:06,992 So, if you are less dense in those regions, 687 00:36:07,026 --> 00:36:10,409 that suggests that there are less processors available. 688 00:36:10,444 --> 00:36:15,725 We also see reductions in hippocampal volume, 689 00:36:15,759 --> 00:36:18,762 and increase in amygdala volume. 690 00:36:18,797 --> 00:36:21,593 The hippocampus is critically important for learning and memory. 691 00:36:21,627 --> 00:36:24,768 The amygdala is very important for emotional processing, 692 00:36:24,803 --> 00:36:27,185 responding to emotional information. 693 00:36:28,358 --> 00:36:29,566 And why we think those are 694 00:36:29,601 --> 00:36:32,535 particularly important during fetal development is, 695 00:36:32,569 --> 00:36:35,331 first of all, they begin to be developed very early. 696 00:36:35,365 --> 00:36:37,505 Disruption in those areas 697 00:36:37,540 --> 00:36:39,266 is also associated with higher risk 698 00:36:39,300 --> 00:36:43,546 for emotional psychopathology or neuropsychiatric illness. 699 00:36:45,755 --> 00:36:47,135 VERNY: If the mother is upset, 700 00:36:47,170 --> 00:36:49,931 if she has a very high level of neurohormones, 701 00:36:49,966 --> 00:36:52,727 if she has very high level of stress hormones, 702 00:36:52,762 --> 00:36:54,660 all of those things will be passed to the baby. 703 00:36:57,836 --> 00:37:00,666 BAIL: There are all kinds of feelings coming from the mother. 704 00:37:02,116 --> 00:37:04,394 All kinds. Anxieties. 705 00:37:06,569 --> 00:37:11,090 Depression. Fears. About everything. 706 00:37:11,125 --> 00:37:13,369 WEINER: Let's be clear Mothers love their children. 707 00:37:13,403 --> 00:37:15,094 So do fathers. 708 00:37:15,129 --> 00:37:19,167 But there are these subtle unconscious things, see, 709 00:37:19,202 --> 00:37:21,722 that this mother is dealing with in her life. 710 00:37:21,756 --> 00:37:24,172 Say, she may be in a tough marriage, 711 00:37:24,207 --> 00:37:26,347 but she gets pregnant. 712 00:37:26,382 --> 00:37:29,108 Well, part of her may want the baby, 713 00:37:29,143 --> 00:37:30,627 and part of her may really say, 714 00:37:30,662 --> 00:37:33,527 "Gee, this is not a good time for a baby. 715 00:37:33,561 --> 00:37:36,219 "In fact, this is gonna be very hard." 716 00:37:36,254 --> 00:37:39,187 And a baby may get a lot of that. 717 00:37:40,982 --> 00:37:45,504 That little bit of stuff is feeling all of that, 718 00:37:45,539 --> 00:37:49,853 without any way of communicating. 719 00:37:51,061 --> 00:37:54,099 It just absorbs. It just holds it. 720 00:37:55,652 --> 00:37:58,241 And that's what it gets for nine months. 721 00:37:58,276 --> 00:38:02,728 What comes to mind is the, um, confusion, 722 00:38:04,420 --> 00:38:07,388 if you can speak of that in a fetus, 723 00:38:08,458 --> 00:38:10,495 um, a developing human being, 724 00:38:14,464 --> 00:38:17,778 whose mother is conflicted, 725 00:38:20,194 --> 00:38:23,853 who wants the child perhaps but is afraid of having a child, 726 00:38:23,887 --> 00:38:25,889 who wants to love but is 727 00:38:27,166 --> 00:38:30,998 herself very afraid and very stressed. 728 00:38:32,827 --> 00:38:33,897 So, the kid is getting 729 00:38:33,932 --> 00:38:36,762 a very confusing message about the world. 730 00:38:36,797 --> 00:38:39,455 That "this world wants me, this world doesn't want me." 731 00:38:40,628 --> 00:38:42,078 [BREATHING HEAVILY] 732 00:38:44,667 --> 00:38:45,771 [HISSING] 733 00:38:45,806 --> 00:38:47,014 [WOMAN GROANS] 734 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:49,913 MAN: Hold! Hold! 735 00:38:49,948 --> 00:38:51,259 RIPLEY: [GROANS] Please! 736 00:38:51,570 --> 00:38:52,606 Hold! 737 00:38:53,952 --> 00:38:55,194 Help me! 738 00:39:03,582 --> 00:39:04,687 No! 739 00:39:04,721 --> 00:39:05,860 No! 740 00:39:05,895 --> 00:39:07,241 The Alienfilms 741 00:39:07,275 --> 00:39:13,420 show the very difficult side of pregnancy and birth, 742 00:39:13,454 --> 00:39:17,631 the side that the mother does not want to be pregnant, 743 00:39:17,665 --> 00:39:22,256 does not want to have a child, but the child is coming, 744 00:39:22,290 --> 00:39:25,673 the child is there, the child wants to live. 745 00:39:27,399 --> 00:39:30,368 This is the story of theAlien films. 746 00:39:30,402 --> 00:39:33,267 This alien is an embryonic being 747 00:39:33,301 --> 00:39:38,272 that wants to implant in the persons of the crew. 748 00:39:42,241 --> 00:39:47,039 And the film is always about this unwantedness 749 00:39:47,074 --> 00:39:49,904 and this will to live. 750 00:39:49,939 --> 00:39:51,596 It's a dark film. 751 00:39:51,630 --> 00:39:54,150 It is, in a certain way, hopeless, 752 00:39:54,909 --> 00:39:58,085 and as a very melancholic film 753 00:39:58,119 --> 00:40:00,190 or a depressive film. 754 00:40:00,225 --> 00:40:03,055 But for people who have this background 755 00:40:03,090 --> 00:40:05,472 that they were not wanted, 756 00:40:05,506 --> 00:40:08,854 and had to implant in spite of this, 757 00:40:08,889 --> 00:40:11,581 it is, in a certain way, fascinating. 758 00:40:11,616 --> 00:40:12,720 ASH: Don't touch it! 759 00:40:16,275 --> 00:40:17,415 [MONSTROUS CRY] 760 00:40:19,071 --> 00:40:22,558 This is a typical cult film. 761 00:40:22,592 --> 00:40:29,012 There are many people who see, um, several times this film 762 00:40:29,047 --> 00:40:32,326 to clear their own feelings 763 00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,742 about wantedness and unwantedness. 764 00:40:39,885 --> 00:40:43,820 MONK: I do worry about this kind of research 765 00:40:43,855 --> 00:40:47,617 getting lumped with research that has a political agenda, 766 00:40:47,652 --> 00:40:50,275 which is the personhood of the fetus. 767 00:40:50,309 --> 00:40:56,350 Because that's a wholly different question, and it's what data is used, 768 00:40:56,384 --> 00:41:01,320 in my opinion, for the discussion about the right to choose. 769 00:41:02,356 --> 00:41:04,289 So I think, also people may a little bit, 770 00:41:04,323 --> 00:41:05,497 shy away from this 771 00:41:05,532 --> 00:41:07,879 because that is such a fraught debate. 772 00:41:10,709 --> 00:41:14,541 It is an inconvenient truth that fetuses feel things. 773 00:41:14,575 --> 00:41:17,578 It is just inconvenient. 774 00:41:17,613 --> 00:41:23,308 Um, because if they do, then many things have to be rethought. 775 00:41:25,413 --> 00:41:30,453 It makes no sense for a girl to have a baby she does not want. 776 00:41:30,488 --> 00:41:31,799 If she is forced, 777 00:41:31,834 --> 00:41:35,147 that means misery for a whole life 778 00:41:35,182 --> 00:41:37,633 for her and for the child. 779 00:41:37,667 --> 00:41:40,083 It's a very difficult issue. 780 00:41:40,118 --> 00:41:43,535 And if she has not the right, she takes the right. 781 00:41:43,570 --> 00:41:47,263 I think eventually, maybe in 100 years, 782 00:41:47,297 --> 00:41:50,473 maybe not that long, I would say the goal would be 783 00:41:50,508 --> 00:41:54,512 "let's get women and men in such a good place, 784 00:41:54,546 --> 00:41:59,102 "that they come to realize that bringing another soul into this world 785 00:42:00,069 --> 00:42:01,415 "is a very big job." 786 00:42:13,116 --> 00:42:14,877 BAIL: I'm 92 years old, 787 00:42:14,911 --> 00:42:19,847 and I've been practicing psychoanalysis for almost 60 years. 788 00:42:21,573 --> 00:42:23,471 It was the war. 789 00:42:23,506 --> 00:42:28,200 My being in the war and what happened to me in the war 790 00:42:28,235 --> 00:42:33,102 that decided me to become a doctor. 791 00:42:34,552 --> 00:42:38,245 I wanted to heal people, not kill people. 792 00:42:39,626 --> 00:42:42,698 My training finished in '58. 793 00:42:42,732 --> 00:42:49,083 At that time, analysis didn't teach anything about the womb, 794 00:42:49,118 --> 00:42:52,915 didn't teach anything about prenatal life. 795 00:42:52,949 --> 00:42:58,161 The paradigm in analysis was the masculine paradigm, 796 00:42:58,196 --> 00:43:01,061 with Freud, and the Oedipal struggle. 797 00:43:02,165 --> 00:43:06,549 In doing my work, I discovered that patients, 798 00:43:06,584 --> 00:43:10,449 when I listened, were coming forth with a different story. 799 00:43:12,659 --> 00:43:15,765 They felt very guilty about their mothers, 800 00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,492 and they were feeling they had to, 801 00:43:19,804 --> 00:43:23,566 put in a global sense, rescue their mothers. 802 00:43:24,671 --> 00:43:26,638 Now nobody is born like that. 803 00:43:26,673 --> 00:43:28,398 That's programed into people 804 00:43:28,433 --> 00:43:33,334 when their environment is such that parents can't take care of themselves. 805 00:43:33,369 --> 00:43:34,922 So one possible response 806 00:43:34,957 --> 00:43:36,821 on the part of the child then is, 807 00:43:36,855 --> 00:43:40,307 "Then I got to take care of them in order to maintain my relationship with them." 808 00:43:41,101 --> 00:43:42,585 It's a survival thing. 809 00:43:42,620 --> 00:43:45,553 Once you're in that state, whatever mom says goes, 810 00:43:45,588 --> 00:43:50,075 "I'll do anything. I have to live, I'll do anything. 811 00:43:50,110 --> 00:43:52,043 "So whatever you need me to do, 812 00:43:52,077 --> 00:43:55,011 "do you need me to hold all of your bad feelings? 813 00:43:55,046 --> 00:43:56,357 "I'll do it." 814 00:43:56,392 --> 00:43:58,290 Now, an infant can't really do it, 815 00:43:58,325 --> 00:44:02,640 but there's an omnipotent attempt to fix it 816 00:44:02,674 --> 00:44:04,987 because your life depends on it. 817 00:44:05,021 --> 00:44:09,232 Later, that fetus growing up, may become a writer, 818 00:44:10,820 --> 00:44:12,891 and write these stories, 819 00:44:12,926 --> 00:44:16,930 and may not know where that inspiration comes from. 820 00:44:16,964 --> 00:44:19,035 Like the story of Superman. 821 00:44:19,070 --> 00:44:20,071 [SCREAMING] 822 00:44:21,935 --> 00:44:23,074 Okay, hold it, come on, hold it! 823 00:44:23,108 --> 00:44:24,420 Get back.[SHRIEKS] 824 00:44:25,179 --> 00:44:26,629 WEINER: If you think, 825 00:44:26,664 --> 00:44:32,083 "I am a fetus, and I'm to take care of a full-grown woman's problems. 826 00:44:32,980 --> 00:44:34,464 "How? 827 00:44:34,499 --> 00:44:37,571 "Well, I better become a superhero. 828 00:44:37,605 --> 00:44:40,539 "I better become the strongest person on Earth. 829 00:44:40,574 --> 00:44:42,196 "I better be able to fly, 830 00:44:42,231 --> 00:44:45,372 "I better be able to leap tall buildings in a single bound, 831 00:44:45,406 --> 00:44:48,409 "and really do what? Save her." 832 00:44:48,444 --> 00:44:49,687 What was that? 833 00:44:51,758 --> 00:44:53,276 Easy, Miss, I've got you. 834 00:44:53,311 --> 00:44:55,209 You've got me? 835 00:44:55,244 --> 00:44:56,348 Who's got you? 836 00:44:57,971 --> 00:45:01,215 WEINER: If you look at movies about superheroes, 837 00:45:01,250 --> 00:45:04,943 really the task of an infant, is a superhero task. 838 00:45:08,498 --> 00:45:13,400 Supermanis partly a story of my helplessness 839 00:45:13,434 --> 00:45:15,782 during or after birth. 840 00:45:15,816 --> 00:45:19,647 My aloneness and my fantasies 841 00:45:19,682 --> 00:45:23,651 to be strong and the strongest man in the world. 842 00:45:27,241 --> 00:45:30,348 WEINER: Now, thi does damage to the baby. 843 00:45:30,382 --> 00:45:32,039 Because, really, if you think about it, 844 00:45:32,074 --> 00:45:36,803 how is a fetus supposed to take over for a mommy? 845 00:45:36,837 --> 00:45:39,564 How is a fetus supposed to take all of this trouble? 846 00:45:39,598 --> 00:45:42,878 The fetus can't. There's no way. 847 00:45:42,912 --> 00:45:46,191 The child automatically adjusts to the environment 848 00:45:46,226 --> 00:45:49,677 in any way that'll further the chances of its own survival. 849 00:45:49,712 --> 00:45:51,956 The baby has to become the mother, 850 00:45:51,990 --> 00:45:53,751 doesn't get to be the baby. 851 00:45:53,785 --> 00:45:55,856 And if the baby can't be the baby, 852 00:45:55,891 --> 00:46:01,344 the baby can't develop his or her full potential. 853 00:46:01,379 --> 00:46:04,762 And again, it's not according to the intentions of the parent, either. 854 00:46:05,659 --> 00:46:08,420 But it's just what happens. 855 00:46:08,455 --> 00:46:12,666 WEINER: So now we have a baby that has limitations, but is going to protect those 856 00:46:12,700 --> 00:46:15,255 because, really, those were set up so early, 857 00:46:15,289 --> 00:46:17,429 and they were set up to save this baby's life. 858 00:46:20,018 --> 00:46:22,849 MATE: These people then develop lifelong patterns of self-suppression, 859 00:46:22,883 --> 00:46:25,368 which then suppresses the immune system as well, 860 00:46:25,403 --> 00:46:29,096 because the immune system and the emotional system are the same. 861 00:46:29,787 --> 00:46:31,547 Not even controversial. 862 00:46:31,581 --> 00:46:33,307 What will happen later on in life, 863 00:46:33,342 --> 00:46:38,381 is that anything that challenges these basic limitations 864 00:46:38,416 --> 00:46:42,730 that were set down, a grown person will fight against. 865 00:46:42,765 --> 00:46:44,732 MATE: Because they fel responsible for their world. 866 00:46:44,767 --> 00:46:46,355 "Well, if this thing happened to me, 867 00:46:46,389 --> 00:46:48,046 "it's because I'm a terrible person. 868 00:46:48,081 --> 00:46:51,739 "And therefore, how do I make sure it never happens again? 869 00:46:51,774 --> 00:46:55,640 "I become the perfect person, so I'll be good all the time. 870 00:46:55,674 --> 00:46:57,573 "I'll be good to everybody. 871 00:46:57,607 --> 00:46:59,644 "I'm going to be the best in the class. 872 00:46:59,678 --> 00:47:01,646 "And I'll always excel. 873 00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,269 "I'm going to be great at my job. 874 00:47:04,304 --> 00:47:06,513 "And when stuff goes wrong with my marriage, 875 00:47:06,547 --> 00:47:10,551 "I'm not going to say a word, because I'm good and I can handle it all." 876 00:47:10,586 --> 00:47:12,484 And then they get cancer. 877 00:47:12,519 --> 00:47:18,283 An adult trauma is really a fetal trauma. 878 00:47:18,318 --> 00:47:22,701 The fetus feels the pain, and all the consequences, 879 00:47:22,736 --> 00:47:30,054 all the distortions of personality create an entity I call the internal saboteur. 880 00:47:30,088 --> 00:47:32,608 It's the job of that internal saboteur, 881 00:47:32,642 --> 00:47:39,235 to see to it you never ever experience that pain again. 882 00:47:39,270 --> 00:47:43,446 People will talk about this all the time. They say, "I self-sabotage." 883 00:47:43,481 --> 00:47:48,175 And I think that's a very well-known idea in our society. 884 00:47:48,210 --> 00:47:50,591 I think people don't realize the depth of it. 885 00:47:50,626 --> 00:47:55,217 I think they don't realize how true it really is, and what they're really doing. 886 00:47:55,251 --> 00:47:57,598 And what people are really doing is saying, 887 00:47:57,633 --> 00:48:01,499 "Mom, you gave me this constellation of trouble, 888 00:48:01,533 --> 00:48:03,570 "I took it into my personality. 889 00:48:03,604 --> 00:48:07,263 "It's set down the limits for what I was going to be able to do, 890 00:48:07,298 --> 00:48:09,576 "but it kept me alive. 891 00:48:09,610 --> 00:48:14,477 "I will hold onto this with every bit of strength I have." 892 00:48:14,512 --> 00:48:16,307 [CELL PHONE RINGING][INDISTINCT CHATTER] 893 00:48:24,177 --> 00:48:25,143 [FOOTSTEPS] 894 00:48:28,353 --> 00:48:29,320 [CAR DOOR CLOSING] 895 00:48:32,599 --> 00:48:36,154 Underneath everything in your life, there's that thing. 896 00:48:36,189 --> 00:48:38,122 That empty-forever-empty. 897 00:48:38,156 --> 00:48:40,158 You know what I'm talking about? 898 00:48:40,193 --> 00:48:41,435 Yes.Yes. 899 00:48:41,470 --> 00:48:43,058 Yes, I...Yes. 900 00:48:43,092 --> 00:48:45,957 The capacity to be alone, and to perceive, 901 00:48:45,992 --> 00:48:48,201 that's been a human challenge, I think, 902 00:48:48,235 --> 00:48:50,099 for thousands of years. 903 00:48:50,134 --> 00:48:51,963 And not just in this society. 904 00:48:51,998 --> 00:48:54,932 It's just more difficult now because it's more pervasive 905 00:48:54,966 --> 00:48:56,692 and because we all have these devices. 906 00:48:56,726 --> 00:48:59,522 And that famous clip with Louis CK, 907 00:48:59,557 --> 00:49:01,076 he's talking about cell phones. 908 00:49:01,110 --> 00:49:03,388 And sometimes, when things clear away, 909 00:49:03,423 --> 00:49:05,770 you're not watching it, and you're in your car 910 00:49:05,804 --> 00:49:09,774 and you start going, "Oh, no, here it comes." That "I'm alone." 911 00:49:09,808 --> 00:49:11,810 Like, it starts to visit on you. 912 00:49:11,845 --> 00:49:13,812 Just this sadness. Yes. 913 00:49:13,847 --> 00:49:17,955 Life is tremendously sad, just by being in it. 914 00:49:17,989 --> 00:49:20,785 And so you're driving and you go, "Ah." 915 00:49:20,819 --> 00:49:22,097 That's why we text and drive. 916 00:49:22,131 --> 00:49:25,065 I look around pretty much 100% of people driving are texting. 917 00:49:25,100 --> 00:49:26,515 Yes. 918 00:49:26,549 --> 00:49:29,380 And they're killing... Everybody is murdering each other with their cars. 919 00:49:29,414 --> 00:49:33,349 But people are willing to risk taking a life and ruining their own 920 00:49:33,384 --> 00:49:36,076 because they don't want to be alone for a second. 921 00:49:36,111 --> 00:49:40,874 By not being alone, you never really get a chance to think about yourself. 922 00:49:40,908 --> 00:49:45,051 So this is a wonderful way of anesthetizing yourself 923 00:49:45,085 --> 00:49:48,571 against any kind of introspection. 924 00:49:48,606 --> 00:49:52,023 There used to be television and movies and radio. 925 00:49:52,058 --> 00:49:55,820 And in terms of today's favorite anesthetic, 926 00:49:55,854 --> 00:49:59,099 I would say it's probably Facebook and the reality shows, 927 00:49:59,134 --> 00:50:04,035 and all those game things, and then of course, there's pornography. 928 00:50:04,070 --> 00:50:06,831 So instead of coming to terms 929 00:50:06,865 --> 00:50:11,422 with my lack of ability to love or to care or to feel, 930 00:50:11,456 --> 00:50:13,458 you can do all this other stuff. 931 00:50:14,528 --> 00:50:16,151 BAIL: One is frantic, 932 00:50:17,876 --> 00:50:22,122 one will try anything to relieve the pain. 933 00:50:23,158 --> 00:50:27,507 We can measure it by the number of people 934 00:50:27,541 --> 00:50:30,682 who are addicted to various things. 935 00:50:30,717 --> 00:50:34,617 Addicted to drugs, addicted to alcohol, 936 00:50:34,652 --> 00:50:38,207 addicted to sex, addicted to power, 937 00:50:38,242 --> 00:50:39,312 addicted to money. 938 00:50:40,451 --> 00:50:43,419 The addictions run and run and run and run. 939 00:50:43,454 --> 00:50:47,147 If you look at addicts, and by the way, not just drug addicts, 940 00:50:47,182 --> 00:50:48,597 but any addict. 941 00:50:48,631 --> 00:50:52,497 Gambling, sex addiction, shopping addicts, 942 00:50:52,532 --> 00:50:57,468 what's missing is a sufficient activation, 943 00:50:57,502 --> 00:51:02,576 in part, of the brain's reward motivation circuitry, 944 00:51:02,611 --> 00:51:05,683 of which dopamine is an important driver, biochemically. 945 00:51:05,717 --> 00:51:07,719 Cocaine elevates dopamine levels. 946 00:51:07,754 --> 00:51:09,756 Nicotine elevates dopamine levels. 947 00:51:11,792 --> 00:51:14,312 Um, caffeine elevates dopamine levels. 948 00:51:16,003 --> 00:51:17,522 So people whose early development 949 00:51:17,557 --> 00:51:21,802 sabotaged the development of their reward motivation circuitry, 950 00:51:21,837 --> 00:51:25,220 will find some relief in doing drugs 951 00:51:25,254 --> 00:51:28,361 that elevate dopamine levels, temporary relief. 952 00:51:29,569 --> 00:51:32,054 Or in activities that elevate dopamine levels. 953 00:51:32,089 --> 00:51:34,815 So for the gambling addict, that's the gambling. 954 00:51:34,850 --> 00:51:38,129 He's not after the gambling, he's after the dopamine that he's getting. 955 00:51:38,164 --> 00:51:41,028 And it's not about the money. 956 00:51:41,063 --> 00:51:42,375 Because when they win the money, 957 00:51:42,409 --> 00:51:44,515 they go back the next day and they lose the money. 958 00:51:44,549 --> 00:51:47,932 And if you look at brain scans of people engaged in compulsive shopping, 959 00:51:47,966 --> 00:51:51,832 the same part of the brain will light up as will light up if they do cocaine. 960 00:51:56,285 --> 00:51:58,460 If, when we look at those people, 961 00:51:58,494 --> 00:52:03,258 we don't see the pain that's driving their behavior, 962 00:52:03,292 --> 00:52:06,606 it's because we're denying our own pain. 963 00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:13,268 And if we are driven to judge them for their compulsive attachment 964 00:52:13,302 --> 00:52:18,273 to seeking momentary joy from external source like a drug, 965 00:52:19,343 --> 00:52:20,861 it's because we live in a society 966 00:52:20,896 --> 00:52:24,934 that's completely addicted to seeking momentary joy from external sources. 967 00:52:27,178 --> 00:52:30,043 Whole industries and businesses 968 00:52:30,077 --> 00:52:34,185 and the livelihood of millions of people 969 00:52:34,220 --> 00:52:38,155 depends on manufacturing stuff that's completely unnecessary, 970 00:52:39,604 --> 00:52:42,331 doesn't enhance anybody's life in any significant way, 971 00:52:42,366 --> 00:52:44,299 but which provides momentary pleasure. 972 00:52:56,276 --> 00:52:58,968 I was in San Francisco a couple of years ago, 973 00:52:59,003 --> 00:53:02,489 and around this block there was this thick line up, 974 00:53:02,524 --> 00:53:05,699 people four abreast, around the block. 975 00:53:05,734 --> 00:53:07,011 I said, "Gee, what's going on? 976 00:53:07,045 --> 00:53:10,566 They said, "Oh, the new iPad is coming out." 977 00:53:10,601 --> 00:53:12,189 So I actually talked to somebody. 978 00:53:12,223 --> 00:53:14,984 I said, "Look, I get it. The iPad is a great... I don't have one, 979 00:53:15,019 --> 00:53:17,297 "but I get that it's a great device, 980 00:53:17,332 --> 00:53:19,092 "but why line up here? 981 00:53:19,126 --> 00:53:21,336 "Couldn't you wait till tomorrow or next week?" 982 00:53:21,370 --> 00:53:25,098 "No, man, you know." You got to have it right now. 983 00:53:25,132 --> 00:53:26,686 Bob Dylan in his great... 984 00:53:26,720 --> 00:53:30,517 I think Martin Scorsese, the documentary with Bob Dylan, uh, 985 00:53:30,552 --> 00:53:33,451 he's sitting in the back of a limousine or a car, 986 00:53:33,486 --> 00:53:36,351 and these two young fans want his signature. 987 00:53:38,905 --> 00:53:40,734 You're so miserable. Come on, it won't take long. 988 00:53:40,769 --> 00:53:42,874 [INDISTINCT] 989 00:53:42,909 --> 00:53:45,187 They don't ask me. Those other two people don't ask me. 990 00:53:45,222 --> 00:53:46,292 Why do you? 991 00:53:46,326 --> 00:53:47,500 Why shouldn't you give it? You so miserable? 992 00:53:47,534 --> 00:53:48,777 Why shouldn't you give it? Why did we come... 993 00:53:48,811 --> 00:53:50,744 Well, because they like me. They said... 994 00:53:50,779 --> 00:53:51,918 We don't like you anymore. 995 00:53:51,952 --> 00:53:53,091 She called me a bum. 996 00:53:53,126 --> 00:53:54,265 That's all we want. 997 00:53:54,300 --> 00:53:55,508 May I have your autograph? 998 00:53:55,542 --> 00:53:57,199 You're kind of a bum... 999 00:53:57,234 --> 00:53:58,580 You called me a bum... Come on, Bob. 1000 00:53:58,614 --> 00:53:59,788 Oh, come on... 1001 00:53:59,822 --> 00:54:00,996 You don't need my autograph. 1002 00:54:01,030 --> 00:54:03,170 If you needed it, I'd give it to you. 1003 00:54:04,551 --> 00:54:06,035 [GUITAR PLAYING] 1004 00:54:27,574 --> 00:54:29,058 MATE: Nobody needs an iPad. 1005 00:54:29,093 --> 00:54:30,543 People can use it, 1006 00:54:30,577 --> 00:54:32,786 but why line up at 4:00 in the morning? 1007 00:54:32,821 --> 00:54:35,582 You think that's going to somehow fulfill your life, 1008 00:54:35,617 --> 00:54:37,515 fill in the holes where you're empty? 1009 00:54:37,550 --> 00:54:39,206 That's the society we live in. 1010 00:54:39,241 --> 00:54:40,622 [CLAMORING] 1011 00:55:01,470 --> 00:55:03,990 We see the addiction as the problem, 1012 00:55:04,024 --> 00:55:05,888 and of course that's legitimate, 1013 00:55:05,923 --> 00:55:08,374 addiction is a problem, it creates problems, 1014 00:55:08,408 --> 00:55:11,066 but it's not the primary problem. 1015 00:55:11,100 --> 00:55:12,412 We really need to appreciate 1016 00:55:12,447 --> 00:55:15,277 the importance of the prenatal environment in child development, 1017 00:55:15,312 --> 00:55:19,454 and to understand that when we see dysfunction in people, 1018 00:55:19,488 --> 00:55:23,320 we're actually seeing the imprint of that early experience. 1019 00:55:34,986 --> 00:55:36,850 You talk to people about their childhood, and they say, 1020 00:55:36,885 --> 00:55:39,681 "I don't remember, I don't remember, I don't remember." 1021 00:55:39,715 --> 00:55:40,992 Well, the fact is, everybody remembers, 1022 00:55:41,027 --> 00:55:42,304 they just don't recall. 1023 00:55:42,339 --> 00:55:43,788 It's usually because either nothing happened, 1024 00:55:43,823 --> 00:55:46,204 or too much happened. Usually it's too much. 1025 00:55:47,413 --> 00:55:49,311 And so that, one way they dealt with it, 1026 00:55:49,346 --> 00:55:51,244 was to split their attention from what's going on, 1027 00:55:51,278 --> 00:55:53,660 so they're not going to recall. 1028 00:55:53,695 --> 00:55:57,837 I know that people often tell me that I have a sad expression on my face. 1029 00:55:57,871 --> 00:56:00,218 That sadness is a memory. 1030 00:56:00,253 --> 00:56:03,083 It's somehow just programed into me. 1031 00:56:03,118 --> 00:56:05,327 But it's not a recall memory. 1032 00:56:11,678 --> 00:56:13,749 [INFANT COOING] 1033 00:56:13,784 --> 00:56:16,407 We have to distinguish between those two important kinds of memories, 1034 00:56:16,442 --> 00:56:19,445 and so often our lives show up 1035 00:56:19,479 --> 00:56:21,412 as those imprinted memories, and that imprint 1036 00:56:21,447 --> 00:56:22,655 starts in utero. 1037 00:56:26,762 --> 00:56:31,836 During the time in the uterus, we have no speech. 1038 00:56:31,871 --> 00:56:36,082 All these experiences are real experiences, 1039 00:56:36,116 --> 00:56:40,086 but not represented in the speech ego. 1040 00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:46,057 Therefore these pre-verbal experiences are unconscious. 1041 00:56:48,646 --> 00:56:51,304 They can be in dreams, 1042 00:56:51,338 --> 00:56:54,583 but also in all daily situations, 1043 00:56:54,618 --> 00:56:56,654 they can be present. 1044 00:57:00,071 --> 00:57:03,247 VERNY: When you put optic fibers into the womb, 1045 00:57:03,281 --> 00:57:06,595 you can see rapid eye movements of babies, 1046 00:57:06,630 --> 00:57:09,287 which in adults, always means that they are dreaming. 1047 00:57:10,530 --> 00:57:14,258 People will often wonder, "What can fetus dream about?" 1048 00:57:14,292 --> 00:57:18,055 Well, he dreams about the same things that you and I dream about, 1049 00:57:18,089 --> 00:57:19,815 in terms of our experiences. 1050 00:57:22,577 --> 00:57:26,166 There's a lot more to fetal life than we have ever thought. 1051 00:57:26,201 --> 00:57:27,340 I reckon, by now, 1052 00:57:27,374 --> 00:57:30,585 I've analyzed thousands of dreams 1053 00:57:30,619 --> 00:57:33,898 by many patients and the dreams, 1054 00:57:33,933 --> 00:57:37,143 reveal earlier levels of life. 1055 00:57:37,177 --> 00:57:40,905 The patient may be far away from his or her fetal life, 1056 00:57:41,734 --> 00:57:43,701 but in due time, 1057 00:57:43,736 --> 00:57:45,910 as one wipes away level by level, 1058 00:57:45,945 --> 00:57:49,569 eventually we get down to the truth. 1059 00:57:52,089 --> 00:57:54,988 Everybody has an imprint. 1060 00:57:55,023 --> 00:57:56,403 The imprint happens 1061 00:57:56,438 --> 00:58:02,409 because of the long history of traumas in the world. 1062 00:58:05,205 --> 00:58:07,138 We have to be aware of the fact that 1063 00:58:07,173 --> 00:58:11,453 there is a whole spectrum, you know, uh, 1064 00:58:11,488 --> 00:58:14,352 of traumas that can happen to us. 1065 00:58:14,387 --> 00:58:20,393 And it is those things that are passed on from generation to generation. 1066 00:58:20,427 --> 00:58:23,223 So that if a certain gene is switched on, 1067 00:58:23,258 --> 00:58:25,571 it will continue to be switched on 1068 00:58:25,605 --> 00:58:28,470 until the environment somehow switches it off. 1069 00:58:32,301 --> 00:58:38,929 Genetically, we have taken genes from a lot of people 1070 00:58:38,963 --> 00:58:43,002 so each one of us has roots, 1071 00:58:43,036 --> 00:58:47,627 even if we don't know the roots that we have. 1072 00:58:47,662 --> 00:58:52,874 And these roots, furthermore, go back in time, 1073 00:58:52,908 --> 00:58:59,397 so in some way, we have, inside of ourselves, layers of humanity. 1074 00:59:02,055 --> 00:59:04,057 What we're actually looking at is the impact 1075 00:59:04,092 --> 00:59:06,991 of the multi-generational family history. 1076 00:59:09,649 --> 00:59:12,100 Mothers, grandmothers, great-grandmothers, 1077 00:59:12,134 --> 00:59:14,033 and however far we go back, 1078 00:59:14,067 --> 00:59:17,761 people have been through wars, famine, disasters of all sort. 1079 00:59:17,795 --> 00:59:20,729 Stress that affected one generation, 1080 00:59:20,764 --> 00:59:24,664 will be played out very exactly in the next generation 1081 00:59:24,699 --> 00:59:27,494 to the degree that the next generation 1082 00:59:27,529 --> 00:59:30,221 has understood or not understood it. 1083 00:59:30,256 --> 00:59:32,569 Has dealt with it or not dealt with it. 1084 00:59:32,603 --> 00:59:34,950 So fundamentally, so long as we're not conscious, 1085 00:59:34,985 --> 00:59:37,712 we're going to pass on our stress and our trauma to our kids. 1086 00:59:41,025 --> 00:59:43,649 GAVIN: When I was in graduate school at the University of Michigan, 1087 00:59:43,683 --> 00:59:46,790 one of my classmates was talking about this idea 1088 00:59:46,824 --> 00:59:50,000 called the black-white disparity in preterm birth in low birth weight. 1089 00:59:50,034 --> 00:59:52,209 Something I'd never heard about. 1090 00:59:52,243 --> 00:59:55,488 And I was shocked at the reality that in any given year, 1091 00:59:55,522 --> 00:59:58,111 black women are nearly twice as likely 1092 00:59:58,146 --> 00:59:59,561 as their white counterparts 1093 00:59:59,596 --> 01:00:02,219 to deliver a low birth weight or preterm infant. 1094 01:00:02,253 --> 01:00:04,428 And why that's such a big concern 1095 01:00:04,462 --> 01:00:08,259 is that babies born early obviously have higher rates of morbidity and mortality. 1096 01:00:10,123 --> 01:00:11,849 When I became a professor here, 1097 01:00:11,884 --> 01:00:14,714 I immediately wanted to know what was behind this. 1098 01:00:14,749 --> 01:00:16,371 And then, with my own pregnancy, 1099 01:00:16,405 --> 01:00:18,615 I was carrying twins, a higher risk pregnancy. 1100 01:00:18,649 --> 01:00:22,239 I started thinking about my great grandmother. Um... 1101 01:00:22,273 --> 01:00:27,624 She had two sets of twins that both perished before they reached 12 months of age. 1102 01:00:28,245 --> 01:00:29,418 It haunts me. 1103 01:00:29,453 --> 01:00:30,799 No one has since had twins 1104 01:00:30,834 --> 01:00:33,630 until from my great-grandmother to me. 1105 01:00:33,664 --> 01:00:35,701 So that was always a story my grandmother told me 1106 01:00:35,735 --> 01:00:38,531 that she remembers them, briefly in her life. 1107 01:00:38,565 --> 01:00:39,912 She was working out in the field, 1108 01:00:39,946 --> 01:00:42,293 so she brought them out in the fields with her. 1109 01:00:42,328 --> 01:00:44,364 And she wasn't able to breastfeed them. 1110 01:00:44,399 --> 01:00:47,195 So that contributed to their early demise. 1111 01:00:48,955 --> 01:00:51,751 Obviously she felt a deep sadness about that, 1112 01:00:51,786 --> 01:00:53,822 and my mother repeated that story, 1113 01:00:53,857 --> 01:00:59,794 and she, as well as I, felt this deep remorse for the loss of these twins. 1114 01:01:02,244 --> 01:01:05,247 My grandmother had undiagnosed depression, 1115 01:01:05,282 --> 01:01:08,595 which then contributed to my mother's stress level as well. 1116 01:01:08,630 --> 01:01:10,045 And I started thinking about that, 1117 01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:11,840 and how that got transmitted to me, 1118 01:01:11,875 --> 01:01:15,361 and how I was going to transmit that to the next generation. 1119 01:01:15,395 --> 01:01:16,500 It was scary. 1120 01:01:16,534 --> 01:01:18,709 I felt like at any point in time, 1121 01:01:18,744 --> 01:01:22,057 unfortunately, my children could die in utero. 1122 01:01:22,092 --> 01:01:23,541 How I dealt with the anxiety, 1123 01:01:23,576 --> 01:01:25,578 was that I would refuse to look at the ultrasound 1124 01:01:25,612 --> 01:01:29,547 until my husband told me everything was okay with their heartbeats. 1125 01:01:29,582 --> 01:01:34,967 Um, and that's basically how I lived through that pregnancy. 1126 01:01:35,001 --> 01:01:37,763 And I think that affected me in my attachment to them 1127 01:01:37,797 --> 01:01:39,488 when they were born, initially. 1128 01:01:39,523 --> 01:01:41,628 I couldn't change their diapers. 1129 01:01:41,663 --> 01:01:43,458 I didn't really want to hold them, 1130 01:01:43,492 --> 01:01:47,496 which is probably part of the reason why we had a third child. 1131 01:01:52,467 --> 01:01:55,401 Every woman who has a child, 1132 01:01:57,092 --> 01:01:59,888 puts on that child her experience. 1133 01:01:59,923 --> 01:02:02,788 And so any way that women are treated 1134 01:02:03,754 --> 01:02:05,618 is what gets passed down. 1135 01:02:06,964 --> 01:02:11,072 Women have borne the burden, the pain, 1136 01:02:11,106 --> 01:02:14,075 of thousands of years 1137 01:02:14,109 --> 01:02:18,458 where men have treated women badly, 1138 01:02:19,287 --> 01:02:20,909 have devalued women. 1139 01:02:21,841 --> 01:02:25,362 That devaluation, that pain, 1140 01:02:25,396 --> 01:02:27,916 is part of every woman's heritage. 1141 01:02:31,644 --> 01:02:35,130 Men took over, being stronger, 1142 01:02:35,165 --> 01:02:38,927 and made women believe they were second-class. 1143 01:02:38,962 --> 01:02:43,898 And women are second-class in the minds of men to this very day. 1144 01:02:43,932 --> 01:02:47,556 You know examples and I know many examples. 1145 01:02:47,591 --> 01:02:53,873 Despite our talk about equality, it is an uphill battle. 1146 01:02:53,908 --> 01:02:57,635 Thousands and thousands of years, of this toxicity 1147 01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:01,847 that is ground into the unconscious 1148 01:03:01,881 --> 01:03:04,677 of every person and every woman. 1149 01:03:06,610 --> 01:03:11,339 Now, that stuff is what is projected into the new baby. 1150 01:03:25,008 --> 01:03:28,563 And what's terrible is the children born now, 1151 01:03:28,597 --> 01:03:31,290 have to bear that burden from the past, 1152 01:03:31,324 --> 01:03:36,398 and have to bear the burden of current conditions in the world. 1153 01:03:46,305 --> 01:03:51,793 MATE: I had this sex trade worker who has died since of HIV, 1154 01:03:51,828 --> 01:03:54,382 but I asked her what heroin did for her, and she said, 1155 01:03:54,416 --> 01:03:58,455 "The first time I did heroin, it felt like a warm soft hug." 1156 01:03:58,489 --> 01:04:01,976 Which is exactly what she would have gotten from her mom, 1157 01:04:02,010 --> 01:04:04,771 had her mom not been traumatized herself. 1158 01:04:04,806 --> 01:04:09,017 And a guy in his 40s, a big imposing-looking, 1159 01:04:09,052 --> 01:04:14,678 muscled, tattooed fellow in rehab, 1160 01:04:14,712 --> 01:04:16,887 I asked him what the heroin did for him, 1161 01:04:16,922 --> 01:04:18,647 and he said "Doc, I don't know how to tell you this, 1162 01:04:18,682 --> 01:04:21,478 "but it's sort of like when you're a kid, 1163 01:04:21,512 --> 01:04:24,688 "and you're three years old, and you're sick and you're shivering 1164 01:04:24,722 --> 01:04:26,517 "and your mommy puts you on her lap, 1165 01:04:26,552 --> 01:04:28,243 "and she wraps you in a warm blanket 1166 01:04:28,278 --> 01:04:29,693 "and gives you warm chicken soup, 1167 01:04:29,727 --> 01:04:31,384 "that's what the heroin feels like." 1168 01:04:31,419 --> 01:04:33,317 What are they talking about? 1169 01:04:33,352 --> 01:04:34,732 They're talking about love. 1170 01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:38,046 Heroin gives them that feeling of love. 1171 01:04:38,081 --> 01:04:39,737 Who wouldn't want that? 1172 01:04:39,772 --> 01:04:41,291 The heroin is their attempt 1173 01:04:41,325 --> 01:04:44,777 to solve the problem of the absence of love in their lives. 1174 01:04:44,811 --> 01:04:47,469 And that of course, again, goes back to early experience. 1175 01:04:49,230 --> 01:04:52,543 There's that awareness that we have to get to know ourselves. 1176 01:04:52,578 --> 01:04:57,031 But we flee from that kind of knowledge, 1177 01:04:57,065 --> 01:05:00,103 and I think we flee from it because there's pain there, 1178 01:05:00,137 --> 01:05:02,070 and people don't want to experience pain. 1179 01:05:04,935 --> 01:05:06,730 WEINER: I think pharmaceuticals are so prevalent 1180 01:05:06,764 --> 01:05:09,491 because people don't know what to do. 1181 01:05:09,526 --> 01:05:12,322 The problem is, when you say to somebody, 1182 01:05:12,356 --> 01:05:15,946 "Take this drug," what you're really saying is, 1183 01:05:15,981 --> 01:05:17,914 "I don't think I can understand you. 1184 01:05:17,948 --> 01:05:19,467 "I don't think we can get at your pain, 1185 01:05:19,501 --> 01:05:22,194 "I don't think we can understand why you're anxious everyday 1186 01:05:22,228 --> 01:05:24,610 "or understand why you're depressed, 1187 01:05:24,644 --> 01:05:27,544 "so what I'd like to do is quiet you down. 1188 01:05:28,476 --> 01:05:29,995 "I'd like to at least... 1189 01:05:30,029 --> 01:05:32,273 "Let's make it feel a little better every day." 1190 01:05:32,307 --> 01:05:33,412 Well, then you're stuck. 1191 01:05:33,446 --> 01:05:35,897 You have to take a pill the rest of your life. 1192 01:05:35,932 --> 01:05:37,692 And most people on medication will say, 1193 01:05:37,726 --> 01:05:39,797 "Well, it helped me for so long, 1194 01:05:39,832 --> 01:05:42,145 "but, Doctor, I still have nightmares. 1195 01:05:43,940 --> 01:05:45,286 "What do I do? 1196 01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:48,151 "My relationships still don't go right. 1197 01:05:48,185 --> 01:05:49,428 "What do I do? 1198 01:05:49,462 --> 01:05:51,119 "I'm still not happy. 1199 01:05:51,154 --> 01:05:53,984 "I'm not suicidal. But I'm not happy. 1200 01:05:54,019 --> 01:05:55,744 "What do I do?" 1201 01:05:55,779 --> 01:05:57,505 When they present this stuff about trauma 1202 01:05:57,539 --> 01:06:01,543 and early experience and pain to physicians, 1203 01:06:01,578 --> 01:06:03,821 they don't get a lot of arguments, 1204 01:06:03,856 --> 01:06:05,927 and I don't get a lot of arguments. 1205 01:06:05,962 --> 01:06:07,825 We present the data. 1206 01:06:07,860 --> 01:06:09,896 What we get is silence. 1207 01:06:09,931 --> 01:06:13,072 A kind of stunned, uncomfortable silence. 1208 01:06:15,178 --> 01:06:17,697 This is your last chance. 1209 01:06:17,732 --> 01:06:20,321 After this, there is no turning back. 1210 01:06:20,355 --> 01:06:22,081 You take the blue pill, 1211 01:06:22,116 --> 01:06:24,842 the story ends, you wake up in your bed 1212 01:06:24,877 --> 01:06:27,397 and believe whatever you want to believe. 1213 01:06:27,431 --> 01:06:31,677 You take the red pill, you stay in Wonderland, 1214 01:06:31,711 --> 01:06:34,542 and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes. 1215 01:06:34,576 --> 01:06:36,647 WEINER: I think the kind of suffering people, 1216 01:06:36,682 --> 01:06:38,580 at least come into the office with, 1217 01:06:40,168 --> 01:06:41,445 runs the gamut. 1218 01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:43,620 And it really is everything from, 1219 01:06:43,654 --> 01:06:46,278 "I can't find the right mate," 1220 01:06:46,312 --> 01:06:48,935 to "My marriage is falling apart," 1221 01:06:48,970 --> 01:06:51,628 to "I don't know what I want to do with my life." 1222 01:06:51,662 --> 01:06:56,426 And then of course you have much more severe pathologies. 1223 01:06:56,460 --> 01:06:57,772 People can't work, 1224 01:06:57,806 --> 01:07:00,395 or they can't go to school, 1225 01:07:00,430 --> 01:07:04,089 they can't sustain any kind of meaningful relationship. 1226 01:07:04,123 --> 01:07:08,403 And, you know, sometimes they're really on the verge of saying, "I'm done." 1227 01:07:09,991 --> 01:07:13,443 InThe Matrix, Morpheus would play the analyst. 1228 01:07:13,477 --> 01:07:17,585 What it's really talking about here is the imprint. 1229 01:07:17,619 --> 01:07:19,276 It's really saying, 1230 01:07:19,311 --> 01:07:23,211 "Listen, each person doesn't realize that they're plugged into their own imprint." 1231 01:07:25,489 --> 01:07:27,181 The Matrix is a system, Neo. 1232 01:07:28,492 --> 01:07:30,598 That system is our enemy. 1233 01:07:30,632 --> 01:07:32,048 WEINER: This is it. 1234 01:07:32,082 --> 01:07:34,429 You think you are living your life, 1235 01:07:34,464 --> 01:07:36,086 but really you're not. 1236 01:07:36,121 --> 01:07:40,849 And what Neo discovers, is that life is a fantasy. 1237 01:07:40,884 --> 01:07:43,783 In a way, that's what the power of denial does. 1238 01:07:43,818 --> 01:07:45,992 Keeps you from really living your life. 1239 01:07:46,027 --> 01:07:47,097 You have to understand, 1240 01:07:47,132 --> 01:07:50,756 most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. 1241 01:07:50,790 --> 01:07:52,551 And many of them are so inured, 1242 01:07:52,585 --> 01:07:55,174 so hopelessly dependent on the system, 1243 01:07:55,209 --> 01:07:57,349 that they will fight to protect it. 1244 01:07:58,798 --> 01:08:01,629 You've split off your personality. 1245 01:08:01,663 --> 01:08:05,391 You've taken on an enormous portion of your mother's. 1246 01:08:06,082 --> 01:08:07,290 So it's not really you. 1247 01:08:16,161 --> 01:08:19,440 The moment when Neo is unplugged is quite a moment. 1248 01:08:19,474 --> 01:08:22,270 I think it's just as terrifying for a patient. 1249 01:08:22,305 --> 01:08:26,412 Because they're facing the moment of their initial trauma. 1250 01:08:34,110 --> 01:08:35,180 [YELLS] 1251 01:08:39,598 --> 01:08:40,840 Okay. 1252 01:08:41,669 --> 01:08:44,534 Get my body back into a power plant, 1253 01:08:44,568 --> 01:08:48,020 re-insert me into the Matrix, I'll get you what you want. 1254 01:08:48,054 --> 01:08:49,849 I think everybody could understand 1255 01:08:49,884 --> 01:08:52,266 Cypher's desire to be plugged back in. 1256 01:08:52,300 --> 01:08:55,510 Nine hard years, they're running for their lives. 1257 01:08:55,545 --> 01:08:57,340 This is a constant battle. 1258 01:08:57,374 --> 01:08:59,721 He's saying, "What have I really got? 1259 01:08:59,756 --> 01:09:03,208 "Please make me numb again, give me back my fake life." 1260 01:09:03,242 --> 01:09:06,901 After nine years, you know what I realize? 1261 01:09:12,665 --> 01:09:13,666 [SIGHS] 1262 01:09:15,220 --> 01:09:16,669 Ignorance is bliss. 1263 01:09:18,257 --> 01:09:21,571 The part of him that can't tolerate it, 1264 01:09:21,605 --> 01:09:25,540 that says, "This is too painful, I don't like it," wins. 1265 01:09:26,610 --> 01:09:28,819 But we know where he's going back to, 1266 01:09:28,854 --> 01:09:31,097 and it's not good-looking. 1267 01:09:39,002 --> 01:09:42,039 I think a lot of people consciously want freedom. 1268 01:09:42,074 --> 01:09:45,111 They're talking about it all the time. 1269 01:09:45,146 --> 01:09:49,875 But if we start to see the reasons that people may talk about it, 1270 01:09:49,909 --> 01:09:52,257 but might not either fight for it, 1271 01:09:52,291 --> 01:09:58,263 demand it, or even notice when it's chipped away at. 1272 01:09:58,297 --> 01:10:04,752 Because there is an idea already embedded that says, 1273 01:10:04,786 --> 01:10:08,756 "Take care of me. Take care of me. 1274 01:10:08,790 --> 01:10:12,104 "See, if you're free, you won't take care of me. 1275 01:10:12,138 --> 01:10:16,626 "I need you to take care of me because I can't handle doing all of this." 1276 01:10:16,660 --> 01:10:21,700 BAIL: Civilization is a very thin veneer that everybody wears. 1277 01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:24,599 You wipe that off, 1278 01:10:24,634 --> 01:10:27,430 everybody's functioning like a baby. 1279 01:10:27,464 --> 01:10:31,296 With all these archaic mechanisms, 1280 01:10:31,330 --> 01:10:35,127 with all those archaic feelings running rampant. 1281 01:10:36,508 --> 01:10:41,547 WEINER: Now, the good news is, life in the pod was nothing. 1282 01:10:41,582 --> 01:10:44,619 You thought this would all kill you at the start. 1283 01:10:44,654 --> 01:10:47,864 But giving it back or getting rid of it, 1284 01:10:47,898 --> 01:10:50,832 unplugging from it, will actually give you a life. 1285 01:10:53,076 --> 01:10:56,424 This may be your first chance to know your whole self. 1286 01:10:56,459 --> 01:10:58,046 Can you imagine? 1287 01:10:59,876 --> 01:11:01,602 But you're talking to a baby. 1288 01:11:03,328 --> 01:11:07,746 You're talking to a little baby who's saying, "No, I'll die." 1289 01:11:07,780 --> 01:11:10,162 You're not talking to an adult. 1290 01:11:10,196 --> 01:11:12,647 An adult might say, "Yeah, I get it, Doctor. 1291 01:11:12,682 --> 01:11:14,235 "I'm rooting for you." 1292 01:11:15,063 --> 01:11:18,135 But a baby says, "Don't you dare. 1293 01:11:22,588 --> 01:11:23,555 "I'll fight you." 1294 01:11:27,041 --> 01:11:28,145 InThe Matrix, 1295 01:11:28,180 --> 01:11:31,597 there's a whole scene where there's a battle, 1296 01:11:31,632 --> 01:11:35,774 and I would say the battle is between Neo and a terrified baby. 1297 01:11:35,808 --> 01:11:40,434 Which is, "Are you going to be able to change things?" 1298 01:11:40,468 --> 01:11:43,506 Every time a person wants to change something, 1299 01:11:43,540 --> 01:11:47,026 the baby that's afraid steps in, 1300 01:11:47,061 --> 01:11:49,615 and it says, "I can't change this. 1301 01:11:49,650 --> 01:11:51,168 "This saved me. 1302 01:11:51,203 --> 01:11:53,032 "This preserved my life. 1303 01:11:53,067 --> 01:11:55,897 "You want me to change this? You must be crazy." 1304 01:11:55,932 --> 01:11:57,313 And it's not so polite. 1305 01:11:59,349 --> 01:12:01,938 That experience is so dreadful, 1306 01:12:01,972 --> 01:12:06,736 that anything, any clue, 1307 01:12:06,770 --> 01:12:12,328 any hint of an analyst approaching that domain 1308 01:12:13,605 --> 01:12:17,643 will send a number of patients scurrying. 1309 01:12:17,678 --> 01:12:23,856 Fear of re-experiencing that terrible trauma. 1310 01:12:27,584 --> 01:12:31,312 The necessity to wake up is universal. 1311 01:12:32,106 --> 01:12:33,866 But what induces sleep 1312 01:12:33,901 --> 01:12:38,388 is our vulnerability as fetuses to handle the suffering. 1313 01:12:40,321 --> 01:12:43,048 And so that we don't even fault ourselves 1314 01:12:43,082 --> 01:12:45,257 for having been asleep, but we do. 1315 01:12:45,291 --> 01:12:48,191 We accept that, that's what happened. 1316 01:12:53,127 --> 01:12:59,616 When I was 21 and enlisted in the Air Force, 1317 01:13:00,583 --> 01:13:04,034 I thought war was exciting. 1318 01:13:04,069 --> 01:13:08,729 With all kinds of fantasies built up by movies and books. 1319 01:13:12,284 --> 01:13:14,631 The 25th mission, 1320 01:13:14,666 --> 01:13:19,602 the target was to hit this jet plane factory deep in Germany. 1321 01:13:21,293 --> 01:13:23,640 And over the target, we got hit. 1322 01:13:26,091 --> 01:13:30,682 I felt the noise, and I screamed. 1323 01:13:31,821 --> 01:13:34,202 It was so painful. 1324 01:13:34,237 --> 01:13:41,140 I saw the pilots who were like dolls on the side. 1325 01:13:41,865 --> 01:13:43,315 I knew they were dead. 1326 01:13:46,214 --> 01:13:49,908 And there was only myself and the engineer, 1327 01:13:49,942 --> 01:13:51,530 and he couldn't move. 1328 01:13:52,635 --> 01:13:54,050 And I called him a name. 1329 01:13:54,084 --> 01:13:56,846 I said, "You son of a bitch! Come on!" 1330 01:13:56,880 --> 01:13:58,330 He was frozen. 1331 01:13:58,364 --> 01:14:01,782 And then it was too late. I jumped. 1332 01:14:02,921 --> 01:14:05,820 His fear overwhelmed him. 1333 01:14:09,514 --> 01:14:11,792 I know about fear. 1334 01:14:11,826 --> 01:14:16,900 You cannot be in the war without knowing about fear. 1335 01:14:16,935 --> 01:14:22,250 One understands why people seek to die, 1336 01:14:23,493 --> 01:14:25,046 for example, stand up in a trench 1337 01:14:25,081 --> 01:14:29,395 and be shot by the enemy just to get it over. 1338 01:14:31,363 --> 01:14:37,403 But I also learned that survival is what people strive for. 1339 01:14:38,577 --> 01:14:39,820 Survive. 1340 01:14:40,924 --> 01:14:42,719 Survive at any cost. 1341 01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:46,171 Do anything to survive. 1342 01:14:47,862 --> 01:14:51,728 WEINER: When you see people fight to get their lives, 1343 01:14:51,763 --> 01:14:54,420 and you see what human beings are capable of, 1344 01:14:54,455 --> 01:14:57,044 I don't think there's anything like it in the whole world. 1345 01:14:57,078 --> 01:15:00,737 It's striking 1346 01:15:00,772 --> 01:15:05,915 how often I've been told by people with serious illnesses, 1347 01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:09,090 and even fatal illnesses, 1348 01:15:09,125 --> 01:15:12,680 that this disease was the best thing that ever happened to them. 1349 01:15:12,715 --> 01:15:16,339 Now, I don't recommend that way of waking up. 1350 01:15:17,098 --> 01:15:19,342 But what they mean is that, 1351 01:15:19,376 --> 01:15:20,723 "Having to deal with this disease 1352 01:15:20,757 --> 01:15:23,484 "actually woke me up to who I really am, 1353 01:15:23,519 --> 01:15:26,280 "and who I've been and what I've not been all my life. 1354 01:15:26,314 --> 01:15:28,489 "And it's taught me what life really is all about. 1355 01:15:28,524 --> 01:15:32,113 "And that's worth dying for." 1356 01:15:37,636 --> 01:15:38,982 WEINER: I think inThe Matrix, 1357 01:15:39,017 --> 01:15:42,779 it's very interesting because when Neo finally dies, 1358 01:15:44,470 --> 01:15:46,542 what brings him back to life is love. 1359 01:15:49,683 --> 01:15:51,339 Well, wait a minute, 1360 01:15:51,374 --> 01:15:54,101 love can bring you back from death? 1361 01:15:55,102 --> 01:15:57,104 This is very good news. 1362 01:16:01,004 --> 01:16:05,112 BAIL: When you com to a point of knowing 1363 01:16:05,146 --> 01:16:09,634 what is the cause of all this. 1364 01:16:09,668 --> 01:16:12,119 And you know it's your fetal life 1365 01:16:12,153 --> 01:16:18,056 where all this desperation, this pain, takes place. 1366 01:16:18,090 --> 01:16:21,577 And when you have an answer, like the door opens. 1367 01:16:22,957 --> 01:16:27,962 Because one can make sense of it. 1368 01:16:27,997 --> 01:16:32,173 One can make absolute sense of all the feelings. 1369 01:16:32,208 --> 01:16:36,764 The patient has to come to an emotional understanding 1370 01:16:36,799 --> 01:16:41,907 because what is first in a human being is feeling. 1371 01:16:44,807 --> 01:16:48,327 The fetus is a feeling entity. 1372 01:16:49,432 --> 01:16:50,985 Not a mental entity. 1373 01:16:51,020 --> 01:16:52,366 A feeling entity. 1374 01:16:58,959 --> 01:17:00,995 Only when compassion is present, 1375 01:17:01,030 --> 01:17:03,791 will people allow themselves to see the truth. 1376 01:17:03,826 --> 01:17:08,554 Compassion for the fact that unconsciousness is a response. 1377 01:17:08,589 --> 01:17:12,006 Because it was too painful to be conscious when we were young. 1378 01:17:12,041 --> 01:17:15,872 Not to blame ourselves for what we did as a result of that, 1379 01:17:15,907 --> 01:17:18,012 but to be compassionate with ourselves, 1380 01:17:18,047 --> 01:17:19,289 not to fault ourselves, 1381 01:17:19,324 --> 01:17:21,360 what we did to ourselves or others, 1382 01:17:21,395 --> 01:17:23,259 but to be curious as to why we did it. 1383 01:17:28,851 --> 01:17:30,784 I read a quote by Maya Angelou. 1384 01:17:30,818 --> 01:17:32,026 She said, 1385 01:17:32,061 --> 01:17:34,339 "You do the best you can 1386 01:17:34,373 --> 01:17:36,721 "until you know better, then you do better." 1387 01:17:36,755 --> 01:17:38,205 That's a paraphrase. 1388 01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:46,420 You have to be careful how you tell a woman 1389 01:17:46,454 --> 01:17:49,768 that what she does impacts her baby 1390 01:17:49,803 --> 01:17:52,495 because she can only do what she can do. 1391 01:17:55,636 --> 01:17:59,157 I tend to be very analytical and think about things a lot, 1392 01:17:59,191 --> 01:18:04,058 and, um, give myself some unneeded anxieties. 1393 01:18:05,784 --> 01:18:08,269 HALE: Is this chil going to be healthy? 1394 01:18:08,304 --> 01:18:10,237 Is the child going to have 1395 01:18:10,271 --> 01:18:13,067 some kind of, you know, developmental disorders, 1396 01:18:13,102 --> 01:18:16,553 or be killed at whatever age? 1397 01:18:18,038 --> 01:18:21,041 I spent a lot of the pregnancy being very on edge. 1398 01:18:23,422 --> 01:18:25,286 ERTEL: The way that we're taught in our society, 1399 01:18:25,321 --> 01:18:27,461 we're always second-guessing. 1400 01:18:27,495 --> 01:18:30,015 We're looking to books and other people for information 1401 01:18:30,050 --> 01:18:32,086 on how to raise our children when it should be, 1402 01:18:32,121 --> 01:18:34,710 and it is, an innate knowledge. 1403 01:18:37,747 --> 01:18:42,510 Women need to know that babies are strong. 1404 01:18:42,545 --> 01:18:48,896 We all spend nearly nine months in this intrauterine life 1405 01:18:48,931 --> 01:18:51,002 with this happiness and with these sufferings 1406 01:18:51,036 --> 01:18:54,005 and we all have to pass through birth, 1407 01:18:54,039 --> 01:18:58,906 which is perhaps one of the hardest labors on this planet. 1408 01:18:58,941 --> 01:19:00,563 To be born. 1409 01:19:00,597 --> 01:19:01,840 And to give birth. 1410 01:19:04,049 --> 01:19:06,500 The birth is a journey of the hero 1411 01:19:06,534 --> 01:19:08,536 like The Little Mermaid... 1412 01:19:08,571 --> 01:19:09,710 Alice in Wonderland... 1413 01:19:09,745 --> 01:19:12,092 and The Matrix. 1414 01:19:12,126 --> 01:19:14,059 I remember walking into the clinic on a Monday, 1415 01:19:14,094 --> 01:19:16,959 and having nurses' jaws drop. 1416 01:19:16,993 --> 01:19:21,826 I was 213 pounds the day before I delivered them. 1417 01:19:21,860 --> 01:19:25,968 I started having contractions around 1:00 or 2:00 in the morning. 1418 01:19:27,279 --> 01:19:29,385 WILSON: When labor actually started, 1419 01:19:29,419 --> 01:19:32,284 all of our children were able to be there for the birth. 1420 01:19:33,803 --> 01:19:36,426 It was absolutely insane getting to the hospital. 1421 01:19:36,461 --> 01:19:39,567 My feet were hanging out the window, practically. 1422 01:19:39,602 --> 01:19:42,467 We arrived, screamed up to the front door. 1423 01:19:42,501 --> 01:19:44,296 And then, you know, like, an hour later, 1424 01:19:44,331 --> 01:19:46,712 I was ready to push. 1425 01:19:46,747 --> 01:19:48,438 Certainly the contractions were intense, 1426 01:19:48,473 --> 01:19:51,096 but I can only imagine what it feels like inside. 1427 01:19:51,131 --> 01:19:54,203 I was thinking to myself, you know, just breathe. 1428 01:19:54,237 --> 01:19:55,860 Just breathe, just breathe. 1429 01:19:57,862 --> 01:20:00,761 It's an awful pain, but it brings you ahead. 1430 01:20:00,796 --> 01:20:02,073 And with every wave, 1431 01:20:02,107 --> 01:20:05,766 you come a little bit nearer to our world. 1432 01:20:38,868 --> 01:20:43,493 VERNY: World ecology has to start with womb ecology. 1433 01:20:43,528 --> 01:20:48,982 We cannot have peace and good people in the world 1434 01:20:49,016 --> 01:20:53,607 without raising peaceful, good children. 1435 01:20:53,641 --> 01:20:56,644 And that has to start at conception, 1436 01:20:56,679 --> 01:20:59,371 not at birth, but at conception. 1437 01:21:01,753 --> 01:21:04,790 The more people really realize all of this, 1438 01:21:04,825 --> 01:21:09,036 I think the more thought goes into how we treat 1439 01:21:09,071 --> 01:21:13,489 the unborn child, but also how do we treat the mother? 1440 01:21:13,523 --> 01:21:17,286 How do we start to make sure we're really making this a world 1441 01:21:17,320 --> 01:21:22,187 where we don't have to send so much 1442 01:21:22,222 --> 01:21:28,884 very troubling, difficult thoughts and feelings towards our fetuses? 1443 01:21:28,918 --> 01:21:32,508 It's our responsibility to make a better job of it 1444 01:21:32,542 --> 01:21:34,303 than we have done in the past. 1445 01:21:35,994 --> 01:21:38,963 There are too many children who are neglected, 1446 01:21:38,997 --> 01:21:41,586 who are born and raised unloved, 1447 01:21:41,620 --> 01:21:43,519 and unless this changes, 1448 01:21:43,553 --> 01:21:45,141 the world is not going to change. 1449 01:21:46,660 --> 01:21:49,042 WEINER: When you start to lift off the damage, 1450 01:21:49,076 --> 01:21:53,356 you get to a much more loving state of mind. 1451 01:21:53,391 --> 01:21:55,669 And love in that sense is not only a feeling, 1452 01:21:55,703 --> 01:21:57,843 it's also a set of actions. 1453 01:21:57,878 --> 01:21:59,984 It's also a set of relating. 1454 01:22:00,536 --> 01:22:03,470 It's, above all, 1455 01:22:04,885 --> 01:22:09,165 a constant seeking to understand the other. 1456 01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:13,721 BAIL: When a baby is understood, that baby is loved. 1457 01:22:15,896 --> 01:22:19,244 When the mother puts the baby to the breast, 1458 01:22:19,279 --> 01:22:22,627 and the baby's hungry, that baby is loved. 1459 01:22:25,388 --> 01:22:29,013 When the mother picks the baby up and holds it and pats it 1460 01:22:29,047 --> 01:22:32,326 and that's what the baby wanted, that baby is loved. 1461 01:22:33,465 --> 01:22:36,813 Being understood is being loved. 108888

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