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[SIREN WAILING]
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[RUMBLING]
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[MUSIC BOX PLAYS]
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[MAN SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY]
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MAN ON TV: A large,
handmade pepperoni pizza
for five bucks.
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WOMAN ON TV: This year'
fashion week has shown us
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some bold new trends
for the upcoming season.
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She started out
as a hot, new designer...
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MALE NEWSCASTER 1:
It was initially reported that
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57 people were
killed in Iraq today.
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MALE REPORTER: The bi
discussion of the summit was
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climate change,
despite opposition...
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FEMALE NEWSCASTER:
I heard that children
were taken out, bloody.
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WOMAN: I am very scared
I'm worried about my daughter,
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I'm worried about my...
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MALE NEWSCASTER 2:
The military space race
is not over.
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There's no doubt
in my mind that...
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[SPEAKERS OVERLAPPING]
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FEMALE NEWSCASTER 2:
...killer was on several
mind-altering medications.
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MAN: ...don't want
any more
adrenaline junkies...
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FEMALE NEWSCASTER 3:
...tragic death of
a 5-year-old girl...
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MALE REPORTER 2:
...cutting edge research...
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WEINER: We've been very good
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at making enormous
strides in technology.
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It makes us look advanced.
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But I think where we fall down
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is that we haven't gone
nearly as far in
our internal world.
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I don't know that we've really
come too much farther
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than people did
thousands of years ago.
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MATE: Most of us don't know
why we're doing what we're
doing most of the time.
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Especially when it comes
to the really important
decisions in our lives.
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This is largely
a society in denial.
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WEINER: We have been stuck
I think, for a very long time
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in the ways we've done things,
and everybody sees it now.
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I don't think people can
really look around the world
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or the Earth and say,
"It's all great."
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Well, how about now, we start
to look inside ourselves?
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How about we take
the ideas that fueled
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this kind of development
and look inside?
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Why wouldn't we go back
to the womb?
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Why do we want to start
anywhere else really,
but there?
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It's where we all start.
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JANUS: In Western culture,
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we have no idea
about prenatal life.
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Life begins with birth,
not before.
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But other cultures
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have an understanding
or an intuition
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what prenatal life may mean
for the becoming child.
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They believe
the pregnant woman
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should be cautious
and not excited,
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no burdens and so on.
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The time before birth
is your living time.
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NESCI:
One hundred years ago,
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babies were put into,
you know, strange clothes,
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they could not move,
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they were embalmed
like mummies,
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and their heart rate
beat was slower,
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they would eat less,
they would develop less.
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Up to the '50s and
even the '60s in Europe,
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babies were operated on
without anesthesia.
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"Babies don't experience
and don't feel,"
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that was the general opinion,
that they forget everything.
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And so, you can let them
cry and they forget it.
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Doctors would do horrible,
horrible, horrible operations.
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And they told their parents
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that the reason that they
are not using an anesthetic
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is because the anesthetic
would damage the child.
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But in fact they damaged
the children themselves
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through this
traumatic experience.
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The reason I did not
become an obstetrician
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is because I hated the way
obstetricians were
treating women.
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They were yelling at them.
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"Push! Push! Push!
What's the matter with you?"
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You know, "Push!" [INFANT CRYING]
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And we were taught that
babies can't remember anything
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before the age of two.
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NESCI: In this last century,
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the attitude
is changing dramatically.
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We can identify
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with a child, with a baby.
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Ultrasound is magic.
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How could you see a baby
in the womb during pregnancy?
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MONK: The nature of what w
do is really thinking about
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development as it starts
before birth.
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And we're really pushing
back that timeframe
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to say that there are
factors environmentally
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that happen, um, prenatally
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and so their environment
is their mother's.
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Human beings are affected
by the environment,
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as soon as they have
an environment.
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And that means as soon as
we're implanted in the womb.
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So, from that moment on,
until we die...
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Uh, we are creatures
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who are interacting with,
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shaping, and being shaped by,
the environment.
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[MUSIC PLAYS]
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NARRATOR: Our whole stor
is about "little number five"
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and how his mother
is preparing for him.
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She knows that he will have
nothing to grow on
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except the food
that she eats for him.
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She really is eating
for two people,
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herself and
"little number five."
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JANUS: Fifty years ago,
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we have the research
to brain development,
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we have the
epidemiological research
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and we have the direct
observation, uh,
via ultrasound
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and film and so on.
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The epidemiological research
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is coming from a man, uh,
whose name is Barker.
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Some of the early
observations by Barker
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were in England and Wales,
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that geographically,
there were different areas
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that had high
neonatal mortality risk
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as well as high
cardiovascular mortality risk.
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There were
further investigations,
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which ultimately linked
low birth weight
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to an increased risk
of cardiovascular mortality.
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And when you think about
low birth weight,
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the main driver is
the nutritional
environment in utero.
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JANUS: That was 2
or 30 years ago,
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and there was an explosion
of research.
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Some of this came out
of studies, for example,
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with what's called
"The Dutch Famine."
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BEZRUCHKA:
From November, 1944
to April, 1945,
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the Nazis constrained
the amount of food
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going into the Netherlands.
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And so the government
reduced the rations
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from 1,800 calories a day
to 900 calories a day.
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There were about 5,000 women
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who were pregnant
during this period.
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And what happened was
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people followed up
in adulthood,
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to look at what kind of
problems they were having.
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Fetuses who were
in this period of famine
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in the first trimester
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had a whole host of problems
when they got to be my age.
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MATE: They will be
more likely to develop
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the so-called
metabolic syndrome,
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which consists of diabetes,
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high blood pressure
and heart problems.
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And these are
obvious examples
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of how the environment
already in utero
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can affect
the life of the adult.
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The factor that we least
appreciate, however, is that
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in addition to
these self-evident
physical factors
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is the emotional state
of the mother.
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About how many months
pregnant would you say
she is, Doctor?
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About seven months.
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Have you someone to help you
with the housework?
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My sister comes in
once in a while,
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but it's hard for her
to get away.
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JANUS: In our life,
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the first, big person
is the mother.
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Mother is giving life,
giving birth.
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And if the mother
is feeling well,
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the baby feels he is
living in a good world.
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If the mother has stress,
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he feels the world
is stressful.
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VERNY: Stress decreases
the immune response.
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Everybody knows that.
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If you don't sleep enough,
if you work too hard,
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your stress level increases,
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and your immune system
goes down the toilet.
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When that happens
while you're in utero,
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it really affects
your immune system
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for the rest of your life.
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Human beings are affected
in their development
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by early experiences,
including, in the uterus.
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They are affected by
the emotional environment
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in which they're conceived
and carried and birthed,
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and then reared in.
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The broad outlines
of that knowledge
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has been really
well established.
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But we're not practicing it
as a society,
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we're not recognizing it.
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Prenatal life
is so unknown to us
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and yet so important
to who we are as people.
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You will see it unconsciously
expressed in many ways.
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You will see it in movies,
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you will see it in fairytales,
you will see it in novels,
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you will see it in mythology,
in folklore.
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You name it,
you will see it there.
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JANUS: In older times,
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fairy tales were told
to the young people
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to help them to
confront the old anxieties
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from birth
and from helplessness.
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It's the fight with
the mighty parent figures.
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Maybe a witch,
maybe a cruel father figure.
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And in modern times,
we have films.
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They follow the frame
of the fairy tales.
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In the uterine world,
you are swimming,
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and there is the film,
The Little Mermaid
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URSULA: Hurry home, princess.
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We wouldn't want to miss
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old Daddy's celebration,
now, would we?
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JANUS: The crisis begins
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when she falls in love
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and feels weak
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and loses her voice...
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[VOCALIZING]
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And then the film goes back
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and shows the background. Keep singing!
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There, this is a fixation,
anxiety fixation
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by a big, cruel,
dominating mother.
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[CACKLING]
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And the story of the film
is the fight and overcoming,
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being stronger
than this mother,
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and it is a fight
of life and death.
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[URSULA CACKLES]
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So much for true love!
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And these ambivalent feelings
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against the mother
are natural.
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If it is going good,
our life is an adventure.
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If it is bad,
it is traumatic,
it is suffering.
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Intrauterine life
is not a paradise
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as some people
try to make us believe.
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We are the receiver
of all the happiness
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and of all the anxieties
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and difficulties
of our parents.
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The fetus
is a sentient being.
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Think of it as
moving, quivering,
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without a skin.
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He marinates in
the feelings of the mother.
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BAIL: It feels every shudder.
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It feels the mother's
gladness and happiness
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but it feels every anxiety.
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It's the anxieties
that cause the difficulties.
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And of course,
something that
happened in the womb
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would be at
the deepest level.
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It's at the start
of your life,
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it happens with the woman
who gave you life.
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This would be at
the deepest level, I think,
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of everybody's personality.
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NESCI: Since I was a child,
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I had the feeling that
there were family secrets.
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My father and
my mother gave me
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versions of the history
of the family.
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That was something that
didn't work out completely.
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So, I understood
I had to look for something
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that was beyond
what appeared
on the surface.
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I think from here
came my interest
in the unconscious.
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[SPEAKING ITALIAN]
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I was very interested
in dreams and movies
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because they speak
a very similar language.
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If you look at
Alice in Wonderland,
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you have the rabbit.
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[WHISTLING] [CAT MEOWS]
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The rabbit is the animal
of making many children.
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โช No, no, no, I'm overdue!
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โช I'm really in a stew
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โช No time to say
"Goodbye," hello!
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โช I'm late, I'm late,
I'm late! โช
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What can I do for you?
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Well, I'm looking
for a white rabbit.
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So, um, if you don't mind...
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Eh? Oh!
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There he is!
I simply must get through!
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Sorry, you're much too big.
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Simply impassable.
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You mean, "Impossible?" No, impassable.
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Nothing's impossible.
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There is always
this question...
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Too big, too small?
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Always the problem,
to get into?
Or to go out?
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To "go out"
is to be delivered.
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[SHRIEKING]
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Once upon a time,
we were walking on four legs.
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We had a head
which was smaller
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and we had hips
that were larger.
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So, the birth channel
was very big.
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When the human beings
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began to reach
bipedal erect posture,
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gradually the bones changed
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and the birth channel
became more narrow.
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And then
another thing happened.
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The brain became larger.
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And here,
the obstetrical dilemma came.
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How would it be able
that the new human baby
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could come out of the womb
with such a big head?
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So, if you see
the whole movie again,
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thinking of
the obstetrical dilemma,
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you will get another picture.
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Someone's head
will roll for this!
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Yours!
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And there is the issue
of cutting the head.
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The dream of mothers,
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if you can cut
the head of the child,
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the child can come out.
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Off with their heads!
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[ALL CHEERING]
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Off with her head!
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Off with her...
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Slowly, uh, there was
a sort of natural selection
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that the women who were able
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to deliver earlier survived.
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Because if you
delivered earlier,
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the baby is smaller.
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And if it is smaller,
it can come out.
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Monster!
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Help!
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Ah! I'm late!
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Biochemically,
and physiologically,
in so many ways
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the human infant is
way behind other mammals.
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JANUS: We are all born unripe,
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very helpless,
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therefore a good bonding
and a welcoming mother
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is important for
development of a child.
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In earlier centuries,
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birth and pregnancy
and the fate of woman
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was very, very difficult.
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Every sixth birth
meant death for the mother.
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Up to one half
of the children
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died during birth
or in the first year.
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And, therefore,
was an anxiety
from the woman
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and from the men,
to all, what birth meant.
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In the last 50 years,
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birth becomes
safer and safer.
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Now we have, uh, the power,
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or the stability,
or the safety to confront
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and to be curious.
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BRENTON:
I started out in the lab
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studying very narrow
questions in animal models.
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And I quickly realized that
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I was interested
in broader questions
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that affected human health.
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I grew up in
Southern California
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and I grew up with
"smog alert" days
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and when pollution was
very much defined
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by whether or not
we could see the mountains
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that were theoretically
really close by.
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I grew up in
one of the communities
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that we actually study now,
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which I always think
is kind of ironic.
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And it wasn't until
a little bit later that
the epigenetics came in.
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"Epi" really means,
"on top of" genetics.
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So, when we think about
our genetic code,
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which is our DNA sequence,
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when we talk
about epigenetics,
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we're thinking about
other factors, other things,
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that can be on top of
or attached to that
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can help fine-tune
the genetic code to
turn genes on and off.
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YEHUDA: This is something
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that we're just beginning
to explore, gene by gene.
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It's not what genes
you're carrying,
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it's what gets expressed.
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Genes are, you know,
only the blueprint.
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Imagine you have
a blueprint for a house.
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You have a house
that you have built,
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sort of,
to your own specifications.
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And it has
followed the blueprint
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in terms of where things are
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but a lot of things
have changed
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as a result of all kinds
of environmental factors.
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Being able to adapt to
a changing environment quickly
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is very important.
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However, not every
adaptation is necessarily
going to be for the better.
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When the sperm
and the egg are forming,
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as part of normal development,
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there's this period of
erasing past marks, basically,
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and re-establishing
the new set of marks for
the future of that cell.
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And then this happens again
in early embryogenesis.
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In some ways,
wiping the old slate clean
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and starting new
for this new fetus,
this new baby.
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There is
a whole period of time
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during fetal development
where many things,
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including just the environment
that the fetus is growing in,
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could alter or shift
that process.
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YEHUDA: It's fantastic.
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Because the idea
of epigenetic changes,
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based on exposure
to the environment
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at different intervals
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really provides
the body with a way
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of continuously adapting
to their environment.
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Bad environmental events
cause change,
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good environmental events
cause change.
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And what you gotta do
is just make sure that
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you have enough
of the good events.
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MATE: I was conceived
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during the Second World War
in Budapest, Hungary,
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in 1943,
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at a time when Hungary,
being an ally of Germany,
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uh, was in the war
on Germany's side
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and there was a lot of
anti-Semitic legislation,
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restrictions and threats.
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The genocide
hadn't happened yet.
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And then,
I'm born in January, 1944.
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And then, the Germans
marched into
the country in March.
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March of 1944.
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And, as my mother told me,
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the next day, she phoned
the pediatrician to say that
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Gabor is crying all the time,
you should come and see him.
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And the doctor said,
"Sure, I'll come,
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"but I should tell you,
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"all my Jewish babies
are crying."
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It's so clear to me
that the fear that
I've carried all my life,
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literally in my molecules,
is my mother's terror,
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and then the terror
that I experienced,
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during the first year of life
under Nazi occupation.
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Those experiences
have stamped my personality,
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they've stamped, um,
my reactivity to the world,
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they've stamped my worldview,
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mostly on
the unconscious level.
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I wasn't a happy camper.
I was...
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Lot of issues
in my personal life,
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a lot of depression, anxiety.
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Then I realized in my 50s
that I had ADD.
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I clearly see that this
is not a genetic disease,
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despite the so-called experts.
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Um, it is the impact
of stress in
the early environment.
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YEHUDA: When I was in school,
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we used to have conversations
about nature versus nurture.
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Nobody says that anymore.
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We don't have nature here,
and nurture here.
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We have nature
and nurture interacting
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to form a new thing.
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I do research on
post-traumatic stress disorder
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and its effects
on trauma survivors
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and, actually,
the next generation.
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I'm interested
in understanding
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individual differences
and how they manifest
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interacting with
the environment
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and, more specifically,
traumatic events.
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We have been doing
studies of
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adult children
of Holocaust survivors
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and we were finding
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very interesting
and important effects.
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If the offspring will be
raised in the same context,
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their body will need
to be prepared
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maybe for prolonged
periods of starvation
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or maybe for
overwhelming stress.
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So, having a change
that is passed
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from mother to offspring
could be very helpful.
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Maybe less helpful,
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if the offspring
is not gonna live
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in the same environment.
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An offspring lives
in urban New York
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where starvation
is really not an issue,
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then having the same kind of
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biological adaptations
being transmitted
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may actually result
in a flip side
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of just being anxious,
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and people
not understanding why.
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Or even you
not understanding why.
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From this
evolutionary perspective,
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the fetus gets constructed
via epigenetic processes,
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to be awfully alert
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because that would be adaptive
in a threatening environment.
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But if you were wired
to be very adaptive
and very vigilant,
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that's not a good fit
with a postnatal environment
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in the late 20th
or early 21st century,
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where the requirements for,
you know, success in school
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is to be able to
sit very placidly,
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to have very unique focus,
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to not be oriented to
what's going around.
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So, again, it's this bad fit.
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MATE: If there's
a lot of stress
in the early environment,
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then the infant's capacity
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to respond to stress
will be altered.
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The tuning out itself,
which is the hallmark of ADD,
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is nothing
but a defense mechanism.
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Infants, when their brains
are developing,
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if there's stress around them,
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they'll tune out,
that's how they survive,
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the tuning out
gets programed
into their brains...
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Bing! They're diagnosed
with ADHD.
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Not enough dopamine,
let's give you Ritalin.
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[MOROSE MUSIC PLAYING]
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MATE: There are 3 millio
kids in the United States,
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according to latest figures,
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who are taking stimulant
medications for ADHD.
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There are 500,000 kids,
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according to
the latest statistics,
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who are taking
anti-psychotic medications.
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They're getting
these medications
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not because they're psychotic.
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They're getting them because
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it's the only way
we can figure out,
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when I say "we"
I mean society,
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to control their behaviors.
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And this is what
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the pharmaceutical industry
is able to exploit
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in their promotion
of high volume drug use
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in their advertisements.
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We don't even know what
the long-term effects are
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of anti-psychotics
on the developing brain.
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And yet we still see
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medication advertised
as a quick fix,
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endorsed by
the medical profession.
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Well, what's going on?
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And what's going on
with the burgeoning
diagnosis of ADHD
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and opposition
defiant disorder
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and bipolar disorder in kids
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and autism, which has
gone up 40-fold
in the last 30 years.
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What's going on and what
we're not recognizing is that
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people are parenting
and conceiving
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and carrying
and birthing children
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under increasingly
stressed conditions.
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HIRSCH: In our society
there's so much rushing.
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You're so busy. Everything
going, going, going.
502
00:27:26,783 --> 00:27:29,199
Our mind that's
always busy chattering
503
00:27:29,233 --> 00:27:30,614
and making us stressed.
504
00:27:33,824 --> 00:27:34,963
I was born in Israel.
505
00:27:34,998 --> 00:27:36,585
My mother said
there was a place
506
00:27:36,620 --> 00:27:38,208
where all the mothers went
507
00:27:38,242 --> 00:27:39,968
with their babies
for a few weeks,
508
00:27:40,003 --> 00:27:43,316
then they bonded and then
they all went home together.
509
00:27:43,938 --> 00:27:45,767
We don't have that here.
510
00:27:45,802 --> 00:27:48,943
We barely
get to stay overnight
in the hospital now.
511
00:27:49,909 --> 00:27:52,809
Increasingly, it takes
two people now
512
00:27:52,843 --> 00:27:55,363
to provide a living
in this culture to families.
513
00:27:55,397 --> 00:27:56,571
And they're doing so
514
00:27:56,605 --> 00:27:58,435
in the context
of less support.
515
00:27:58,469 --> 00:28:00,126
Because one of the ravages
516
00:28:00,161 --> 00:28:02,888
of industrialization
and globalization
517
00:28:02,922 --> 00:28:05,511
is the destruction
of the extended family,
518
00:28:05,545 --> 00:28:09,066
the tribe, the clan,
the village, the neighborhood.
519
00:28:11,275 --> 00:28:12,760
MONK: Frankly,
hundreds of years ago,
520
00:28:12,794 --> 00:28:14,520
not to glorify the past,
'cause there were
other stressors,
521
00:28:14,554 --> 00:28:16,936
but you had
extended family around.
522
00:28:16,971 --> 00:28:20,560
I think we don't talk
about that enough
in our society.
523
00:28:20,595 --> 00:28:22,562
So, there's less support,
there's less context,
524
00:28:22,597 --> 00:28:27,188
there's less connection
that people can benefit from.
525
00:28:27,222 --> 00:28:29,638
Less connection
with grandparents,
526
00:28:29,673 --> 00:28:32,020
elders, wiser women.
527
00:28:37,025 --> 00:28:39,303
MONK: We started by saying,
528
00:28:39,338 --> 00:28:41,271
"Let's try to bring
this into the lab
529
00:28:41,305 --> 00:28:43,307
"and get pregnant women to,
530
00:28:43,342 --> 00:28:46,172
"what we call acutely,
briefly feel stress."
531
00:28:47,553 --> 00:28:50,936
And when we divided
the fetal response,
532
00:28:50,970 --> 00:28:53,248
the fetuses whose mothers
were high-anxious
533
00:28:53,283 --> 00:28:55,009
had a heart rate increase.
534
00:28:55,043 --> 00:28:57,218
And the fetuses of mothers
who were low-anxious,
535
00:28:57,252 --> 00:28:59,013
either had no change
or a decrease.
536
00:29:00,186 --> 00:29:01,222
And then, what we saw is
537
00:29:01,256 --> 00:29:03,155
if you go all the way out
to women
538
00:29:03,189 --> 00:29:05,329
reaching criteria
for depression,
539
00:29:05,364 --> 00:29:08,988
their fetuses have
a significant stress
response in the lab.
540
00:29:09,023 --> 00:29:10,679
Your breathing goes up,
your blood pressure goes up,
541
00:29:10,714 --> 00:29:12,474
and your heart rate
is going up.
542
00:29:12,509 --> 00:29:14,200
That's all stimuli
to the fetus.
543
00:29:15,926 --> 00:29:18,446
So, over the course
of pregnancy,
544
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,035
being in an environment
of a woman
545
00:29:21,069 --> 00:29:23,692
who is seriously depressed,
546
00:29:23,727 --> 00:29:26,212
is different than being in
an environment of a woman
547
00:29:26,247 --> 00:29:29,595
who is feeling fine.
No symptoms.
548
00:29:29,629 --> 00:29:31,977
And that shapes fetuses
549
00:29:32,011 --> 00:29:33,564
so that by
the end of pregnancy,
550
00:29:33,599 --> 00:29:36,533
when they get a stimuli,
like the heart rate change,
551
00:29:36,567 --> 00:29:38,466
they're showing
differences almost,
552
00:29:38,500 --> 00:29:39,950
we want to say,
in temperament.
553
00:29:39,985 --> 00:29:41,262
In their reactivity style.
554
00:29:41,296 --> 00:29:44,023
Big reactors, or just calm.
555
00:29:53,861 --> 00:29:56,070
MATE: Emotiona
states aren't just
556
00:29:56,104 --> 00:30:00,039
abstract psychological
experiences.
557
00:30:00,074 --> 00:30:03,905
They have their physiological
correlates in the body.
558
00:30:03,940 --> 00:30:06,666
So, if I were to
scream at you right now,
559
00:30:06,701 --> 00:30:09,359
your body would change
in a split second.
560
00:30:10,291 --> 00:30:11,844
Nobody touched you,
561
00:30:11,879 --> 00:30:13,535
nobody put any poison
into you,
562
00:30:13,570 --> 00:30:16,297
but your body would be
in a completely altered state.
563
00:30:16,331 --> 00:30:19,369
High levels of cortisol,
the stress hormone,
564
00:30:19,403 --> 00:30:21,474
would be elevating
your blood sugar
565
00:30:21,509 --> 00:30:25,168
so that you could fight
or have more energy to escape.
566
00:30:25,202 --> 00:30:28,205
Adrenaline would be
pumping through your system,
567
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,000
causing your heart
to beat faster,
568
00:30:30,035 --> 00:30:32,278
causing your muscles
to tighten up, to be stronger,
569
00:30:32,313 --> 00:30:33,693
giving you more energy,
570
00:30:33,728 --> 00:30:36,800
enabling you
to escape or to struggle.
571
00:30:36,835 --> 00:30:38,664
And what if
you're carrying a baby?
572
00:30:40,114 --> 00:30:41,736
And what if you're
chronically scared?
573
00:30:41,770 --> 00:30:43,462
Those same stress hormones
574
00:30:44,532 --> 00:30:46,327
and other compounds
575
00:30:46,361 --> 00:30:49,088
would be going through
the placenta, to the infant.
576
00:30:49,123 --> 00:30:51,401
[INDISTINCT SHOUTING]
577
00:30:53,610 --> 00:30:54,991
[GLASS SHATTERS]
578
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,064
[SIREN WAILING]
579
00:31:02,930 --> 00:31:04,586
MATE:
Already back in the 1970s,
580
00:31:04,621 --> 00:31:06,934
there was a CTV documentary
581
00:31:06,968 --> 00:31:11,145
on how emotional deprivation
in early childhood
582
00:31:11,179 --> 00:31:14,320
fosters the development
of violence and aggression.
583
00:31:14,355 --> 00:31:16,460
Psychologists proved
the inverse relationship
584
00:31:16,495 --> 00:31:17,703
of violence and affection
585
00:31:17,737 --> 00:31:19,705
by studying what happens
to monkeys
586
00:31:19,739 --> 00:31:21,258
who don't get any mothering.
587
00:31:21,293 --> 00:31:22,708
Parents who are stressed
588
00:31:22,742 --> 00:31:24,952
have been shown
not to be able to be
589
00:31:24,986 --> 00:31:27,126
as attuned to their
infants and children
590
00:31:27,161 --> 00:31:28,334
as parents
who are not stressed.
591
00:31:28,369 --> 00:31:29,784
Not their fault.
592
00:31:29,818 --> 00:31:31,751
Not because
they don't love the child.
593
00:31:31,786 --> 00:31:34,306
Not because they're not
dedicated, devoted, committed.
594
00:31:34,340 --> 00:31:37,447
Simply because
the stress effect
595
00:31:37,481 --> 00:31:41,209
impedes their ability,
not to love their child,
596
00:31:41,244 --> 00:31:43,936
but to attune
with their child.
597
00:31:43,971 --> 00:31:46,318
So, that mutual responsiveness
is interfered with.
598
00:31:46,352 --> 00:31:48,009
And that has an impact
on brain development.
599
00:31:49,631 --> 00:31:51,564
There's an important
chemical called dopamine.
600
00:31:51,599 --> 00:31:54,257
Dopamine is essential
for motivation and attention.
601
00:31:54,291 --> 00:31:55,741
Now you take infant monkeys
602
00:31:55,775 --> 00:31:57,294
and you measure
their dopamine levels
603
00:31:57,329 --> 00:31:58,778
in the front part
of the brain,
604
00:32:00,263 --> 00:32:01,816
and you find it to be normal.
605
00:32:01,850 --> 00:32:03,438
Separate them
from their mothers?
606
00:32:03,473 --> 00:32:05,854
Those dopamine levels
have diminished.
607
00:32:05,889 --> 00:32:08,409
In other words, the child's
brain chemistry is affected
608
00:32:08,443 --> 00:32:09,997
by the unavailability
of the mother.
609
00:32:10,031 --> 00:32:13,103
And this is true
even if the mother
is physically there
610
00:32:13,138 --> 00:32:14,587
but emotionally absent.
611
00:32:14,622 --> 00:32:16,624
Imagine two tuning forks,
612
00:32:16,658 --> 00:32:19,903
like in this very famous
"Still Face Experiment".
613
00:32:19,938 --> 00:32:25,150
The mother is one tuning fork
and it starts vibrating.
614
00:32:25,184 --> 00:32:26,910
And the baby's tuning fork
615
00:32:26,945 --> 00:32:30,949
begins to vibrate
in unison with hers.
616
00:32:30,983 --> 00:32:32,502
And when that happens,
617
00:32:32,536 --> 00:32:37,231
gradually, its own
prefrontal cortex gets tuned.
618
00:32:37,265 --> 00:32:39,785
So, it becomes empathic.
619
00:32:39,819 --> 00:32:42,753
It begins to relate
to the mother.
620
00:32:42,788 --> 00:32:44,445
Infants don't
understand words.
621
00:32:45,825 --> 00:32:47,827
So, they respond
to body language.
622
00:32:49,174 --> 00:32:51,659
So, is my mother rigid?
Or relaxed?
623
00:32:52,763 --> 00:32:54,662
Is she afraid?
Because if she's afraid, I am,
624
00:32:54,696 --> 00:32:56,802
because she's my protector.
625
00:32:56,836 --> 00:32:59,529
So, if she's afraid,
who's going to protect me?
626
00:32:59,563 --> 00:33:01,048
The size of
the mother's pupils,
627
00:33:01,082 --> 00:33:02,670
the mother's voice,
628
00:33:02,704 --> 00:33:05,984
is it confident and relaxed,
or is it tense?
629
00:33:06,915 --> 00:33:08,607
These are not
conscious thoughts,
630
00:33:08,641 --> 00:33:10,333
but this is
the infant's experience.
631
00:33:10,367 --> 00:33:12,024
Depressed mothers,
632
00:33:12,059 --> 00:33:16,304
or even worse, um,
schizophrenic mothers.
633
00:33:16,339 --> 00:33:18,168
They are not in synchrony.
634
00:33:18,203 --> 00:33:20,205
The baby is
getting the message
635
00:33:20,239 --> 00:33:22,483
that there's
something wrong with it.
636
00:33:22,517 --> 00:33:23,898
Its prefrontal cortex
637
00:33:23,932 --> 00:33:26,556
is not going to be
tuned properly.
638
00:33:26,590 --> 00:33:28,523
So, that baby
is going to develop
639
00:33:28,558 --> 00:33:30,939
a kind of
depressive personality.
640
00:33:31,664 --> 00:33:34,598
Okay... [CRYING]
641
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:40,259
I am here.
And what are you doing?
642
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:42,641
Oh, yes. Oh!
643
00:33:42,675 --> 00:33:43,883
CTV REPORTER:
The monkeys tell us more
644
00:33:43,918 --> 00:33:46,886
about the severe effects
of infant deprivation.
645
00:33:46,921 --> 00:33:48,578
The ones that were
reared in isolation
646
00:33:48,612 --> 00:33:49,993
just don't behave normally
647
00:33:50,028 --> 00:33:51,788
when they're
finally given a playmate.
648
00:33:51,822 --> 00:33:54,411
They rarely touch,
and when they do,
649
00:33:54,446 --> 00:33:56,586
the contact's
surprisingly vicious.
650
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,109
VERNY: Children who are
emotionally inhibited
651
00:34:02,143 --> 00:34:04,421
will become
dysfunctional adults.
652
00:34:04,456 --> 00:34:06,458
They will have
difficulty learning
653
00:34:06,492 --> 00:34:08,563
and will be more hostile.
654
00:34:08,598 --> 00:34:11,118
And that starts
right in the womb.
655
00:34:14,638 --> 00:34:17,848
When the brain begins
to be organized,
656
00:34:17,883 --> 00:34:21,128
um, genetically speaking,
657
00:34:21,162 --> 00:34:25,718
each neuron is destined
for a certain place
658
00:34:25,753 --> 00:34:27,789
where it will
eventually end up.
659
00:34:29,964 --> 00:34:31,828
THOMASON: Neurons, brain cells
660
00:34:31,862 --> 00:34:34,831
are the information
processing units
of the brain
661
00:34:34,865 --> 00:34:37,489
and they make connections
662
00:34:37,523 --> 00:34:42,287
and they organize themselves
into functional networks.
663
00:34:43,219 --> 00:34:45,945
In every second
of prenatal life,
664
00:34:45,980 --> 00:34:49,846
50,000 new neurons
are being produced.
665
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:51,675
Every second.
666
00:34:51,710 --> 00:34:54,989
There is not a machine
in the world that
can duplicate that.
667
00:35:02,583 --> 00:35:05,586
And when you have
all those neurons
being produced,
668
00:35:05,620 --> 00:35:08,968
they are very vulnerable.
669
00:35:09,003 --> 00:35:11,454
And the smallest,
smallest influence
670
00:35:11,488 --> 00:35:14,353
will make a huge
sort of imprint
671
00:35:14,388 --> 00:35:17,115
on those neurons
and the neural circuits.
672
00:35:18,495 --> 00:35:20,566
If there is chronic stress,
673
00:35:20,601 --> 00:35:23,914
the woman is constantly
obsessing about something,
674
00:35:23,949 --> 00:35:25,502
or worrying about something,
675
00:35:25,537 --> 00:35:28,471
more and more stress hormones,
like cortisone,
676
00:35:28,505 --> 00:35:31,819
is being pushed
into the blood stream.
677
00:35:31,853 --> 00:35:35,754
When you have too much
cortisone in the brain itself,
678
00:35:35,788 --> 00:35:38,998
then the nerve cells
will be interfered with
679
00:35:39,033 --> 00:35:42,726
in their passage and
they may even be destroyed.
680
00:35:44,901 --> 00:35:46,834
We were the first
or amongst the first
681
00:35:46,868 --> 00:35:50,424
to glimpse inside
at the brain
becoming wired up.
682
00:35:51,528 --> 00:35:53,668
With this new, safe
MRI technology,
683
00:35:53,703 --> 00:35:56,913
we're observing
large-scale systems.
684
00:35:56,947 --> 00:36:00,227
What we see in infants
exposed to stress in utero
685
00:36:00,261 --> 00:36:03,644
is reduced brain volume,
reduced gray matter density.
686
00:36:03,678 --> 00:36:06,992
So, if you are less dense
in those regions,
687
00:36:07,026 --> 00:36:10,409
that suggests that there are
less processors available.
688
00:36:10,444 --> 00:36:15,725
We also see reductions
in hippocampal volume,
689
00:36:15,759 --> 00:36:18,762
and increase
in amygdala volume.
690
00:36:18,797 --> 00:36:21,593
The hippocampus
is critically important
for learning and memory.
691
00:36:21,627 --> 00:36:24,768
The amygdala is very important
for emotional processing,
692
00:36:24,803 --> 00:36:27,185
responding to
emotional information.
693
00:36:28,358 --> 00:36:29,566
And why we think those are
694
00:36:29,601 --> 00:36:32,535
particularly important
during fetal development is,
695
00:36:32,569 --> 00:36:35,331
first of all, they begin
to be developed very early.
696
00:36:35,365 --> 00:36:37,505
Disruption in those areas
697
00:36:37,540 --> 00:36:39,266
is also associated
with higher risk
698
00:36:39,300 --> 00:36:43,546
for emotional psychopathology
or neuropsychiatric illness.
699
00:36:45,755 --> 00:36:47,135
VERNY: If the mother is upset,
700
00:36:47,170 --> 00:36:49,931
if she has a very high level
of neurohormones,
701
00:36:49,966 --> 00:36:52,727
if she has very high level
of stress hormones,
702
00:36:52,762 --> 00:36:54,660
all of those things
will be passed to the baby.
703
00:36:57,836 --> 00:37:00,666
BAIL: There are
all kinds of feelings
coming from the mother.
704
00:37:02,116 --> 00:37:04,394
All kinds. Anxieties.
705
00:37:06,569 --> 00:37:11,090
Depression. Fears.
About everything.
706
00:37:11,125 --> 00:37:13,369
WEINER: Let's be clear
Mothers love their children.
707
00:37:13,403 --> 00:37:15,094
So do fathers.
708
00:37:15,129 --> 00:37:19,167
But there are these subtle
unconscious things, see,
709
00:37:19,202 --> 00:37:21,722
that this mother
is dealing with in her life.
710
00:37:21,756 --> 00:37:24,172
Say, she may be
in a tough marriage,
711
00:37:24,207 --> 00:37:26,347
but she gets pregnant.
712
00:37:26,382 --> 00:37:29,108
Well, part of her
may want the baby,
713
00:37:29,143 --> 00:37:30,627
and part of her
may really say,
714
00:37:30,662 --> 00:37:33,527
"Gee, this is not
a good time for a baby.
715
00:37:33,561 --> 00:37:36,219
"In fact, this is
gonna be very hard."
716
00:37:36,254 --> 00:37:39,187
And a baby may get
a lot of that.
717
00:37:40,982 --> 00:37:45,504
That little bit of stuff
is feeling all of that,
718
00:37:45,539 --> 00:37:49,853
without any way
of communicating.
719
00:37:51,061 --> 00:37:54,099
It just absorbs.
It just holds it.
720
00:37:55,652 --> 00:37:58,241
And that's what it gets
for nine months.
721
00:37:58,276 --> 00:38:02,728
What comes to mind
is the, um, confusion,
722
00:38:04,420 --> 00:38:07,388
if you can speak
of that in a fetus,
723
00:38:08,458 --> 00:38:10,495
um, a developing human being,
724
00:38:14,464 --> 00:38:17,778
whose mother
is conflicted,
725
00:38:20,194 --> 00:38:23,853
who wants the child
perhaps but is afraid
of having a child,
726
00:38:23,887 --> 00:38:25,889
who wants to love but is
727
00:38:27,166 --> 00:38:30,998
herself very afraid
and very stressed.
728
00:38:32,827 --> 00:38:33,897
So, the kid is getting
729
00:38:33,932 --> 00:38:36,762
a very confusing message
about the world.
730
00:38:36,797 --> 00:38:39,455
That "this world wants me,
this world doesn't want me."
731
00:38:40,628 --> 00:38:42,078
[BREATHING HEAVILY]
732
00:38:44,667 --> 00:38:45,771
[HISSING]
733
00:38:45,806 --> 00:38:47,014
[WOMAN GROANS]
734
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:49,913
MAN: Hold! Hold!
735
00:38:49,948 --> 00:38:51,259
RIPLEY: [GROANS] Please!
736
00:38:51,570 --> 00:38:52,606
Hold!
737
00:38:53,952 --> 00:38:55,194
Help me!
738
00:39:03,582 --> 00:39:04,687
No!
739
00:39:04,721 --> 00:39:05,860
No!
740
00:39:05,895 --> 00:39:07,241
The Alienfilms
741
00:39:07,275 --> 00:39:13,420
show the very difficult side
of pregnancy and birth,
742
00:39:13,454 --> 00:39:17,631
the side that the mother
does not want to be pregnant,
743
00:39:17,665 --> 00:39:22,256
does not want to have a child,
but the child is coming,
744
00:39:22,290 --> 00:39:25,673
the child is there,
the child wants to live.
745
00:39:27,399 --> 00:39:30,368
This is the story
of theAlien films.
746
00:39:30,402 --> 00:39:33,267
This alien
is an embryonic being
747
00:39:33,301 --> 00:39:38,272
that wants to implant
in the persons of the crew.
748
00:39:42,241 --> 00:39:47,039
And the film is always
about this unwantedness
749
00:39:47,074 --> 00:39:49,904
and this will to live.
750
00:39:49,939 --> 00:39:51,596
It's a dark film.
751
00:39:51,630 --> 00:39:54,150
It is, in a certain way,
hopeless,
752
00:39:54,909 --> 00:39:58,085
and as a very melancholic film
753
00:39:58,119 --> 00:40:00,190
or a depressive film.
754
00:40:00,225 --> 00:40:03,055
But for people who
have this background
755
00:40:03,090 --> 00:40:05,472
that they were not wanted,
756
00:40:05,506 --> 00:40:08,854
and had to implant
in spite of this,
757
00:40:08,889 --> 00:40:11,581
it is, in a certain way,
fascinating.
758
00:40:11,616 --> 00:40:12,720
ASH: Don't touch it!
759
00:40:16,275 --> 00:40:17,415
[MONSTROUS CRY]
760
00:40:19,071 --> 00:40:22,558
This is a typical cult film.
761
00:40:22,592 --> 00:40:29,012
There are many
people who see, um,
several times this film
762
00:40:29,047 --> 00:40:32,326
to clear their own feelings
763
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,742
about wantedness
and unwantedness.
764
00:40:39,885 --> 00:40:43,820
MONK: I do worry about
this kind of research
765
00:40:43,855 --> 00:40:47,617
getting lumped with research
that has a political agenda,
766
00:40:47,652 --> 00:40:50,275
which is the personhood
of the fetus.
767
00:40:50,309 --> 00:40:56,350
Because that's a wholly
different question,
and it's what data is used,
768
00:40:56,384 --> 00:41:01,320
in my opinion,
for the discussion
about the right to choose.
769
00:41:02,356 --> 00:41:04,289
So I think, also people
may a little bit,
770
00:41:04,323 --> 00:41:05,497
shy away from this
771
00:41:05,532 --> 00:41:07,879
because that is such
a fraught debate.
772
00:41:10,709 --> 00:41:14,541
It is an inconvenient truth
that fetuses feel things.
773
00:41:14,575 --> 00:41:17,578
It is just inconvenient.
774
00:41:17,613 --> 00:41:23,308
Um, because if they do,
then many things
have to be rethought.
775
00:41:25,413 --> 00:41:30,453
It makes no sense for
a girl to have a baby
she does not want.
776
00:41:30,488 --> 00:41:31,799
If she is forced,
777
00:41:31,834 --> 00:41:35,147
that means misery
for a whole life
778
00:41:35,182 --> 00:41:37,633
for her and for the child.
779
00:41:37,667 --> 00:41:40,083
It's a very difficult issue.
780
00:41:40,118 --> 00:41:43,535
And if she has not the right,
she takes the right.
781
00:41:43,570 --> 00:41:47,263
I think eventually,
maybe in 100 years,
782
00:41:47,297 --> 00:41:50,473
maybe not that long,
I would say the goal would be
783
00:41:50,508 --> 00:41:54,512
"let's get women and men
in such a good place,
784
00:41:54,546 --> 00:41:59,102
"that they come to realize
that bringing another soul
into this world
785
00:42:00,069 --> 00:42:01,415
"is a very big job."
786
00:42:13,116 --> 00:42:14,877
BAIL: I'm 92 years old,
787
00:42:14,911 --> 00:42:19,847
and I've been
practicing psychoanalysis
for almost 60 years.
788
00:42:21,573 --> 00:42:23,471
It was the war.
789
00:42:23,506 --> 00:42:28,200
My being in the war and
what happened to me in the war
790
00:42:28,235 --> 00:42:33,102
that decided me
to become a doctor.
791
00:42:34,552 --> 00:42:38,245
I wanted to heal people,
not kill people.
792
00:42:39,626 --> 00:42:42,698
My training finished in '58.
793
00:42:42,732 --> 00:42:49,083
At that time, analysis didn't
teach anything about the womb,
794
00:42:49,118 --> 00:42:52,915
didn't teach anything
about prenatal life.
795
00:42:52,949 --> 00:42:58,161
The paradigm in analysis
was the masculine paradigm,
796
00:42:58,196 --> 00:43:01,061
with Freud,
and the Oedipal struggle.
797
00:43:02,165 --> 00:43:06,549
In doing my work,
I discovered that patients,
798
00:43:06,584 --> 00:43:10,449
when I listened,
were coming forth
with a different story.
799
00:43:12,659 --> 00:43:15,765
They felt very guilty
about their mothers,
800
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,492
and they were feeling
they had to,
801
00:43:19,804 --> 00:43:23,566
put in a global sense,
rescue their mothers.
802
00:43:24,671 --> 00:43:26,638
Now nobody is
born like that.
803
00:43:26,673 --> 00:43:28,398
That's programed into people
804
00:43:28,433 --> 00:43:33,334
when their environment
is such that parents can't
take care of themselves.
805
00:43:33,369 --> 00:43:34,922
So one possible response
806
00:43:34,957 --> 00:43:36,821
on the part
of the child then is,
807
00:43:36,855 --> 00:43:40,307
"Then I got to take care
of them in order to maintain
my relationship with them."
808
00:43:41,101 --> 00:43:42,585
It's a survival thing.
809
00:43:42,620 --> 00:43:45,553
Once you're in that state,
whatever mom says goes,
810
00:43:45,588 --> 00:43:50,075
"I'll do anything.
I have to live,
I'll do anything.
811
00:43:50,110 --> 00:43:52,043
"So whatever
you need me to do,
812
00:43:52,077 --> 00:43:55,011
"do you need me to hold
all of your bad feelings?
813
00:43:55,046 --> 00:43:56,357
"I'll do it."
814
00:43:56,392 --> 00:43:58,290
Now, an infant
can't really do it,
815
00:43:58,325 --> 00:44:02,640
but there's an omnipotent
attempt to fix it
816
00:44:02,674 --> 00:44:04,987
because your life
depends on it.
817
00:44:05,021 --> 00:44:09,232
Later, that fetus growing up,
may become a writer,
818
00:44:10,820 --> 00:44:12,891
and write these stories,
819
00:44:12,926 --> 00:44:16,930
and may not know where
that inspiration comes from.
820
00:44:16,964 --> 00:44:19,035
Like the story of Superman.
821
00:44:19,070 --> 00:44:20,071
[SCREAMING]
822
00:44:21,935 --> 00:44:23,074
Okay, hold it,
come on, hold it!
823
00:44:23,108 --> 00:44:24,420
Get back.[SHRIEKS]
824
00:44:25,179 --> 00:44:26,629
WEINER: If you think,
825
00:44:26,664 --> 00:44:32,083
"I am a fetus,
and I'm to take care of
a full-grown woman's problems.
826
00:44:32,980 --> 00:44:34,464
"How?
827
00:44:34,499 --> 00:44:37,571
"Well, I better become
a superhero.
828
00:44:37,605 --> 00:44:40,539
"I better become
the strongest person on Earth.
829
00:44:40,574 --> 00:44:42,196
"I better be able to fly,
830
00:44:42,231 --> 00:44:45,372
"I better be able to leap
tall buildings
in a single bound,
831
00:44:45,406 --> 00:44:48,409
"and really do what?
Save her."
832
00:44:48,444 --> 00:44:49,687
What was that?
833
00:44:51,758 --> 00:44:53,276
Easy, Miss, I've got you.
834
00:44:53,311 --> 00:44:55,209
You've got me?
835
00:44:55,244 --> 00:44:56,348
Who's got you?
836
00:44:57,971 --> 00:45:01,215
WEINER: If you look at
movies about superheroes,
837
00:45:01,250 --> 00:45:04,943
really the task of an infant,
is a superhero task.
838
00:45:08,498 --> 00:45:13,400
Supermanis partly a story
of my helplessness
839
00:45:13,434 --> 00:45:15,782
during or after birth.
840
00:45:15,816 --> 00:45:19,647
My aloneness and my fantasies
841
00:45:19,682 --> 00:45:23,651
to be strong and
the strongest man
in the world.
842
00:45:27,241 --> 00:45:30,348
WEINER: Now, thi
does damage to the baby.
843
00:45:30,382 --> 00:45:32,039
Because, really,
if you think about it,
844
00:45:32,074 --> 00:45:36,803
how is a fetus supposed
to take over for a mommy?
845
00:45:36,837 --> 00:45:39,564
How is a fetus supposed
to take all of this trouble?
846
00:45:39,598 --> 00:45:42,878
The fetus can't.
There's no way.
847
00:45:42,912 --> 00:45:46,191
The child automatically
adjusts to the environment
848
00:45:46,226 --> 00:45:49,677
in any way that'll
further the chances
of its own survival.
849
00:45:49,712 --> 00:45:51,956
The baby has to
become the mother,
850
00:45:51,990 --> 00:45:53,751
doesn't get to be the baby.
851
00:45:53,785 --> 00:45:55,856
And if the baby
can't be the baby,
852
00:45:55,891 --> 00:46:01,344
the baby can't develop
his or her full potential.
853
00:46:01,379 --> 00:46:04,762
And again, it's not according
to the intentions
of the parent, either.
854
00:46:05,659 --> 00:46:08,420
But it's just what happens.
855
00:46:08,455 --> 00:46:12,666
WEINER: So now we have
a baby that has limitations,
but is going to protect those
856
00:46:12,700 --> 00:46:15,255
because, really,
those were set up so early,
857
00:46:15,289 --> 00:46:17,429
and they were set up
to save this baby's life.
858
00:46:20,018 --> 00:46:22,849
MATE: These people then
develop lifelong patterns
of self-suppression,
859
00:46:22,883 --> 00:46:25,368
which then suppresses
the immune system as well,
860
00:46:25,403 --> 00:46:29,096
because the immune system
and the emotional system
are the same.
861
00:46:29,787 --> 00:46:31,547
Not even controversial.
862
00:46:31,581 --> 00:46:33,307
What will happen
later on in life,
863
00:46:33,342 --> 00:46:38,381
is that anything
that challenges
these basic limitations
864
00:46:38,416 --> 00:46:42,730
that were set down,
a grown person
will fight against.
865
00:46:42,765 --> 00:46:44,732
MATE: Because they fel
responsible for their world.
866
00:46:44,767 --> 00:46:46,355
"Well, if this thing
happened to me,
867
00:46:46,389 --> 00:46:48,046
"it's because
I'm a terrible person.
868
00:46:48,081 --> 00:46:51,739
"And therefore,
how do I make sure
it never happens again?
869
00:46:51,774 --> 00:46:55,640
"I become the perfect person,
so I'll be good all the time.
870
00:46:55,674 --> 00:46:57,573
"I'll be good to everybody.
871
00:46:57,607 --> 00:46:59,644
"I'm going to be
the best in the class.
872
00:46:59,678 --> 00:47:01,646
"And I'll always excel.
873
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,269
"I'm going to be
great at my job.
874
00:47:04,304 --> 00:47:06,513
"And when stuff goes wrong
with my marriage,
875
00:47:06,547 --> 00:47:10,551
"I'm not going to say a word,
because I'm good and
I can handle it all."
876
00:47:10,586 --> 00:47:12,484
And then they get cancer.
877
00:47:12,519 --> 00:47:18,283
An adult trauma
is really a fetal trauma.
878
00:47:18,318 --> 00:47:22,701
The fetus feels the pain,
and all the consequences,
879
00:47:22,736 --> 00:47:30,054
all the distortions of
personality create an entity
I call the internal saboteur.
880
00:47:30,088 --> 00:47:32,608
It's the job
of that internal saboteur,
881
00:47:32,642 --> 00:47:39,235
to see to it you never ever
experience that pain again.
882
00:47:39,270 --> 00:47:43,446
People will talk about this
all the time. They say,
"I self-sabotage."
883
00:47:43,481 --> 00:47:48,175
And I think that's
a very well-known idea
in our society.
884
00:47:48,210 --> 00:47:50,591
I think people don't
realize the depth of it.
885
00:47:50,626 --> 00:47:55,217
I think they don't realize
how true it really is,
and what they're really doing.
886
00:47:55,251 --> 00:47:57,598
And what people
are really doing is saying,
887
00:47:57,633 --> 00:48:01,499
"Mom, you gave me
this constellation of trouble,
888
00:48:01,533 --> 00:48:03,570
"I took it into
my personality.
889
00:48:03,604 --> 00:48:07,263
"It's set down the limits
for what I was going
to be able to do,
890
00:48:07,298 --> 00:48:09,576
"but it kept me alive.
891
00:48:09,610 --> 00:48:14,477
"I will hold onto this with
every bit of strength I have."
892
00:48:14,512 --> 00:48:16,307
[CELL PHONE RINGING][INDISTINCT CHATTER]
893
00:48:24,177 --> 00:48:25,143
[FOOTSTEPS]
894
00:48:28,353 --> 00:48:29,320
[CAR DOOR CLOSING]
895
00:48:32,599 --> 00:48:36,154
Underneath everything
in your life,
there's that thing.
896
00:48:36,189 --> 00:48:38,122
That empty-forever-empty.
897
00:48:38,156 --> 00:48:40,158
You know what
I'm talking about?
898
00:48:40,193 --> 00:48:41,435
Yes.Yes.
899
00:48:41,470 --> 00:48:43,058
Yes, I...Yes.
900
00:48:43,092 --> 00:48:45,957
The capacity to be alone,
and to perceive,
901
00:48:45,992 --> 00:48:48,201
that's been a human
challenge, I think,
902
00:48:48,235 --> 00:48:50,099
for thousands of years.
903
00:48:50,134 --> 00:48:51,963
And not just in this society.
904
00:48:51,998 --> 00:48:54,932
It's just more difficult now
because it's more pervasive
905
00:48:54,966 --> 00:48:56,692
and because we all have
these devices.
906
00:48:56,726 --> 00:48:59,522
And that famous clip
with Louis CK,
907
00:48:59,557 --> 00:49:01,076
he's talking
about cell phones.
908
00:49:01,110 --> 00:49:03,388
And sometimes,
when things clear away,
909
00:49:03,423 --> 00:49:05,770
you're not watching it,
and you're in your car
910
00:49:05,804 --> 00:49:09,774
and you start going,
"Oh, no, here it comes."
That "I'm alone."
911
00:49:09,808 --> 00:49:11,810
Like, it starts
to visit on you.
912
00:49:11,845 --> 00:49:13,812
Just this sadness. Yes.
913
00:49:13,847 --> 00:49:17,955
Life is tremendously sad,
just by being in it.
914
00:49:17,989 --> 00:49:20,785
And so you're driving
and you go, "Ah."
915
00:49:20,819 --> 00:49:22,097
That's why we text and drive.
916
00:49:22,131 --> 00:49:25,065
I look around pretty much 100%
of people driving are texting.
917
00:49:25,100 --> 00:49:26,515
Yes.
918
00:49:26,549 --> 00:49:29,380
And they're killing...
Everybody is murdering
each other with their cars.
919
00:49:29,414 --> 00:49:33,349
But people are willing
to risk taking a life
and ruining their own
920
00:49:33,384 --> 00:49:36,076
because they don't
want to be alone
for a second.
921
00:49:36,111 --> 00:49:40,874
By not being alone,
you never really get a chance
to think about yourself.
922
00:49:40,908 --> 00:49:45,051
So this is a wonderful way
of anesthetizing yourself
923
00:49:45,085 --> 00:49:48,571
against any
kind of introspection.
924
00:49:48,606 --> 00:49:52,023
There used to be television
and movies and radio.
925
00:49:52,058 --> 00:49:55,820
And in terms of today's
favorite anesthetic,
926
00:49:55,854 --> 00:49:59,099
I would say
it's probably Facebook
and the reality shows,
927
00:49:59,134 --> 00:50:04,035
and all those game things,
and then of course,
there's pornography.
928
00:50:04,070 --> 00:50:06,831
So instead of coming to terms
929
00:50:06,865 --> 00:50:11,422
with my lack of
ability to love or
to care or to feel,
930
00:50:11,456 --> 00:50:13,458
you can do
all this other stuff.
931
00:50:14,528 --> 00:50:16,151
BAIL: One is frantic,
932
00:50:17,876 --> 00:50:22,122
one will try anything
to relieve the pain.
933
00:50:23,158 --> 00:50:27,507
We can measure it
by the number of people
934
00:50:27,541 --> 00:50:30,682
who are addicted
to various things.
935
00:50:30,717 --> 00:50:34,617
Addicted to drugs,
addicted to alcohol,
936
00:50:34,652 --> 00:50:38,207
addicted to sex,
addicted to power,
937
00:50:38,242 --> 00:50:39,312
addicted to money.
938
00:50:40,451 --> 00:50:43,419
The addictions run
and run and run and run.
939
00:50:43,454 --> 00:50:47,147
If you look at addicts,
and by the way,
not just drug addicts,
940
00:50:47,182 --> 00:50:48,597
but any addict.
941
00:50:48,631 --> 00:50:52,497
Gambling, sex addiction,
shopping addicts,
942
00:50:52,532 --> 00:50:57,468
what's missing
is a sufficient activation,
943
00:50:57,502 --> 00:51:02,576
in part, of the brain's
reward motivation circuitry,
944
00:51:02,611 --> 00:51:05,683
of which dopamine is
an important driver,
biochemically.
945
00:51:05,717 --> 00:51:07,719
Cocaine elevates
dopamine levels.
946
00:51:07,754 --> 00:51:09,756
Nicotine elevates
dopamine levels.
947
00:51:11,792 --> 00:51:14,312
Um, caffeine elevates
dopamine levels.
948
00:51:16,003 --> 00:51:17,522
So people whose
early development
949
00:51:17,557 --> 00:51:21,802
sabotaged the development
of their reward
motivation circuitry,
950
00:51:21,837 --> 00:51:25,220
will find some relief
in doing drugs
951
00:51:25,254 --> 00:51:28,361
that elevate dopamine levels,
temporary relief.
952
00:51:29,569 --> 00:51:32,054
Or in activities that
elevate dopamine levels.
953
00:51:32,089 --> 00:51:34,815
So for the gambling addict,
that's the gambling.
954
00:51:34,850 --> 00:51:38,129
He's not after the gambling,
he's after the dopamine
that he's getting.
955
00:51:38,164 --> 00:51:41,028
And it's not about the money.
956
00:51:41,063 --> 00:51:42,375
Because when
they win the money,
957
00:51:42,409 --> 00:51:44,515
they go back the next day
and they lose the money.
958
00:51:44,549 --> 00:51:47,932
And if you look at brain
scans of people engaged
in compulsive shopping,
959
00:51:47,966 --> 00:51:51,832
the same part of the brain
will light up as will light up
if they do cocaine.
960
00:51:56,285 --> 00:51:58,460
If, when we look
at those people,
961
00:51:58,494 --> 00:52:03,258
we don't see the pain
that's driving their behavior,
962
00:52:03,292 --> 00:52:06,606
it's because we're
denying our own pain.
963
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:13,268
And if we are driven
to judge them for their
compulsive attachment
964
00:52:13,302 --> 00:52:18,273
to seeking momentary joy
from external source
like a drug,
965
00:52:19,343 --> 00:52:20,861
it's because
we live in a society
966
00:52:20,896 --> 00:52:24,934
that's completely addicted
to seeking momentary joy
from external sources.
967
00:52:27,178 --> 00:52:30,043
Whole industries
and businesses
968
00:52:30,077 --> 00:52:34,185
and the livelihood
of millions of people
969
00:52:34,220 --> 00:52:38,155
depends on manufacturing stuff
that's completely unnecessary,
970
00:52:39,604 --> 00:52:42,331
doesn't enhance anybody's
life in any significant way,
971
00:52:42,366 --> 00:52:44,299
but which provides
momentary pleasure.
972
00:52:56,276 --> 00:52:58,968
I was in San Francisco
a couple of years ago,
973
00:52:59,003 --> 00:53:02,489
and around this block
there was this thick line up,
974
00:53:02,524 --> 00:53:05,699
people four abreast,
around the block.
975
00:53:05,734 --> 00:53:07,011
I said,
"Gee, what's going on?
976
00:53:07,045 --> 00:53:10,566
They said, "Oh, the new iPad
is coming out."
977
00:53:10,601 --> 00:53:12,189
So I actually
talked to somebody.
978
00:53:12,223 --> 00:53:14,984
I said, "Look, I get it.
The iPad is a great...
I don't have one,
979
00:53:15,019 --> 00:53:17,297
"but I get that
it's a great device,
980
00:53:17,332 --> 00:53:19,092
"but why line up here?
981
00:53:19,126 --> 00:53:21,336
"Couldn't you wait
till tomorrow or next week?"
982
00:53:21,370 --> 00:53:25,098
"No, man, you know."
You got to have it right now.
983
00:53:25,132 --> 00:53:26,686
Bob Dylan in his great...
984
00:53:26,720 --> 00:53:30,517
I think Martin Scorsese,
the documentary
with Bob Dylan, uh,
985
00:53:30,552 --> 00:53:33,451
he's sitting in the back
of a limousine or a car,
986
00:53:33,486 --> 00:53:36,351
and these two young fans
want his signature.
987
00:53:38,905 --> 00:53:40,734
You're so miserable. Come on, it won't take long.
988
00:53:40,769 --> 00:53:42,874
[INDISTINCT]
989
00:53:42,909 --> 00:53:45,187
They don't ask me.
Those other two people
don't ask me.
990
00:53:45,222 --> 00:53:46,292
Why do you?
991
00:53:46,326 --> 00:53:47,500
Why shouldn't you give it? You so miserable?
992
00:53:47,534 --> 00:53:48,777
Why shouldn't you give it? Why did we come...
993
00:53:48,811 --> 00:53:50,744
Well, because they like me.
They said...
994
00:53:50,779 --> 00:53:51,918
We don't like you anymore.
995
00:53:51,952 --> 00:53:53,091
She called me a bum.
996
00:53:53,126 --> 00:53:54,265
That's all we want.
997
00:53:54,300 --> 00:53:55,508
May I have
your autograph?
998
00:53:55,542 --> 00:53:57,199
You're kind of a bum...
999
00:53:57,234 --> 00:53:58,580
You called me a bum... Come on, Bob.
1000
00:53:58,614 --> 00:53:59,788
Oh, come on...
1001
00:53:59,822 --> 00:54:00,996
You don't need my autograph.
1002
00:54:01,030 --> 00:54:03,170
If you needed it,
I'd give it to you.
1003
00:54:04,551 --> 00:54:06,035
[GUITAR PLAYING]
1004
00:54:27,574 --> 00:54:29,058
MATE: Nobody needs an iPad.
1005
00:54:29,093 --> 00:54:30,543
People can use it,
1006
00:54:30,577 --> 00:54:32,786
but why line up
at 4:00 in the morning?
1007
00:54:32,821 --> 00:54:35,582
You think that's going to
somehow fulfill your life,
1008
00:54:35,617 --> 00:54:37,515
fill in the holes
where you're empty?
1009
00:54:37,550 --> 00:54:39,206
That's the society we live in.
1010
00:54:39,241 --> 00:54:40,622
[CLAMORING]
1011
00:55:01,470 --> 00:55:03,990
We see the addiction
as the problem,
1012
00:55:04,024 --> 00:55:05,888
and of course
that's legitimate,
1013
00:55:05,923 --> 00:55:08,374
addiction is a problem,
it creates problems,
1014
00:55:08,408 --> 00:55:11,066
but it's not
the primary problem.
1015
00:55:11,100 --> 00:55:12,412
We really need to appreciate
1016
00:55:12,447 --> 00:55:15,277
the importance
of the prenatal environment
in child development,
1017
00:55:15,312 --> 00:55:19,454
and to understand that
when we see dysfunction
in people,
1018
00:55:19,488 --> 00:55:23,320
we're actually
seeing the imprint
of that early experience.
1019
00:55:34,986 --> 00:55:36,850
You talk to people
about their childhood,
and they say,
1020
00:55:36,885 --> 00:55:39,681
"I don't remember,
I don't remember,
I don't remember."
1021
00:55:39,715 --> 00:55:40,992
Well, the fact is,
everybody remembers,
1022
00:55:41,027 --> 00:55:42,304
they just don't recall.
1023
00:55:42,339 --> 00:55:43,788
It's usually because
either nothing happened,
1024
00:55:43,823 --> 00:55:46,204
or too much happened.
Usually it's too much.
1025
00:55:47,413 --> 00:55:49,311
And so that, one way
they dealt with it,
1026
00:55:49,346 --> 00:55:51,244
was to split their attention
from what's going on,
1027
00:55:51,278 --> 00:55:53,660
so they're not
going to recall.
1028
00:55:53,695 --> 00:55:57,837
I know that people often
tell me that I have a sad
expression on my face.
1029
00:55:57,871 --> 00:56:00,218
That sadness is a memory.
1030
00:56:00,253 --> 00:56:03,083
It's somehow just
programed into me.
1031
00:56:03,118 --> 00:56:05,327
But it's not a recall memory.
1032
00:56:11,678 --> 00:56:13,749
[INFANT COOING]
1033
00:56:13,784 --> 00:56:16,407
We have to distinguish
between those two important
kinds of memories,
1034
00:56:16,442 --> 00:56:19,445
and so often
our lives show up
1035
00:56:19,479 --> 00:56:21,412
as those imprinted memories,
and that imprint
1036
00:56:21,447 --> 00:56:22,655
starts in utero.
1037
00:56:26,762 --> 00:56:31,836
During the time in the uterus,
we have no speech.
1038
00:56:31,871 --> 00:56:36,082
All these experiences
are real experiences,
1039
00:56:36,116 --> 00:56:40,086
but not represented
in the speech ego.
1040
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:46,057
Therefore these pre-verbal
experiences are unconscious.
1041
00:56:48,646 --> 00:56:51,304
They can be in dreams,
1042
00:56:51,338 --> 00:56:54,583
but also in all
daily situations,
1043
00:56:54,618 --> 00:56:56,654
they can be present.
1044
00:57:00,071 --> 00:57:03,247
VERNY: When you put
optic fibers into the womb,
1045
00:57:03,281 --> 00:57:06,595
you can see rapid
eye movements of babies,
1046
00:57:06,630 --> 00:57:09,287
which in adults, always means
that they are dreaming.
1047
00:57:10,530 --> 00:57:14,258
People will often wonder,
"What can fetus dream about?"
1048
00:57:14,292 --> 00:57:18,055
Well, he dreams about
the same things
that you and I dream about,
1049
00:57:18,089 --> 00:57:19,815
in terms of our experiences.
1050
00:57:22,577 --> 00:57:26,166
There's a lot more
to fetal life than
we have ever thought.
1051
00:57:26,201 --> 00:57:27,340
I reckon, by now,
1052
00:57:27,374 --> 00:57:30,585
I've analyzed
thousands of dreams
1053
00:57:30,619 --> 00:57:33,898
by many patients
and the dreams,
1054
00:57:33,933 --> 00:57:37,143
reveal earlier levels of life.
1055
00:57:37,177 --> 00:57:40,905
The patient may be far away
from his or her fetal life,
1056
00:57:41,734 --> 00:57:43,701
but in due time,
1057
00:57:43,736 --> 00:57:45,910
as one wipes away
level by level,
1058
00:57:45,945 --> 00:57:49,569
eventually we get down
to the truth.
1059
00:57:52,089 --> 00:57:54,988
Everybody has an imprint.
1060
00:57:55,023 --> 00:57:56,403
The imprint happens
1061
00:57:56,438 --> 00:58:02,409
because of the long history
of traumas in the world.
1062
00:58:05,205 --> 00:58:07,138
We have to be aware
of the fact that
1063
00:58:07,173 --> 00:58:11,453
there is a whole spectrum,
you know, uh,
1064
00:58:11,488 --> 00:58:14,352
of traumas
that can happen to us.
1065
00:58:14,387 --> 00:58:20,393
And it is those things
that are passed on
from generation to generation.
1066
00:58:20,427 --> 00:58:23,223
So that if a certain gene
is switched on,
1067
00:58:23,258 --> 00:58:25,571
it will continue
to be switched on
1068
00:58:25,605 --> 00:58:28,470
until the environment
somehow switches it off.
1069
00:58:32,301 --> 00:58:38,929
Genetically, we have taken
genes from a lot of people
1070
00:58:38,963 --> 00:58:43,002
so each one of us has roots,
1071
00:58:43,036 --> 00:58:47,627
even if we don't know
the roots that we have.
1072
00:58:47,662 --> 00:58:52,874
And these roots, furthermore,
go back in time,
1073
00:58:52,908 --> 00:58:59,397
so in some way,
we have, inside of ourselves,
layers of humanity.
1074
00:59:02,055 --> 00:59:04,057
What we're actually
looking at is the impact
1075
00:59:04,092 --> 00:59:06,991
of the multi-generational
family history.
1076
00:59:09,649 --> 00:59:12,100
Mothers, grandmothers,
great-grandmothers,
1077
00:59:12,134 --> 00:59:14,033
and however far we go back,
1078
00:59:14,067 --> 00:59:17,761
people have been through wars,
famine, disasters of all sort.
1079
00:59:17,795 --> 00:59:20,729
Stress that affected
one generation,
1080
00:59:20,764 --> 00:59:24,664
will be played out very
exactly in the next generation
1081
00:59:24,699 --> 00:59:27,494
to the degree that
the next generation
1082
00:59:27,529 --> 00:59:30,221
has understood
or not understood it.
1083
00:59:30,256 --> 00:59:32,569
Has dealt with it
or not dealt with it.
1084
00:59:32,603 --> 00:59:34,950
So fundamentally, so long
as we're not conscious,
1085
00:59:34,985 --> 00:59:37,712
we're going to pass on
our stress and our trauma
to our kids.
1086
00:59:41,025 --> 00:59:43,649
GAVIN: When I was
in graduate school at
the University of Michigan,
1087
00:59:43,683 --> 00:59:46,790
one of my classmates
was talking about this idea
1088
00:59:46,824 --> 00:59:50,000
called the black-white
disparity in preterm birth
in low birth weight.
1089
00:59:50,034 --> 00:59:52,209
Something I'd never
heard about.
1090
00:59:52,243 --> 00:59:55,488
And I was shocked
at the reality that
in any given year,
1091
00:59:55,522 --> 00:59:58,111
black women are
nearly twice as likely
1092
00:59:58,146 --> 00:59:59,561
as their white counterparts
1093
00:59:59,596 --> 01:00:02,219
to deliver a low birth weight
or preterm infant.
1094
01:00:02,253 --> 01:00:04,428
And why
that's such a big concern
1095
01:00:04,462 --> 01:00:08,259
is that babies born early
obviously have higher rates
of morbidity and mortality.
1096
01:00:10,123 --> 01:00:11,849
When I became
a professor here,
1097
01:00:11,884 --> 01:00:14,714
I immediately wanted to know
what was behind this.
1098
01:00:14,749 --> 01:00:16,371
And then,
with my own pregnancy,
1099
01:00:16,405 --> 01:00:18,615
I was carrying twins,
a higher risk pregnancy.
1100
01:00:18,649 --> 01:00:22,239
I started thinking about
my great grandmother. Um...
1101
01:00:22,273 --> 01:00:27,624
She had two sets of twins
that both perished before
they reached 12 months of age.
1102
01:00:28,245 --> 01:00:29,418
It haunts me.
1103
01:00:29,453 --> 01:00:30,799
No one has since had twins
1104
01:00:30,834 --> 01:00:33,630
until from my
great-grandmother to me.
1105
01:00:33,664 --> 01:00:35,701
So that was always a story
my grandmother told me
1106
01:00:35,735 --> 01:00:38,531
that she remembers them,
briefly in her life.
1107
01:00:38,565 --> 01:00:39,912
She was working out
in the field,
1108
01:00:39,946 --> 01:00:42,293
so she brought them out
in the fields with her.
1109
01:00:42,328 --> 01:00:44,364
And she wasn't able
to breastfeed them.
1110
01:00:44,399 --> 01:00:47,195
So that contributed
to their early demise.
1111
01:00:48,955 --> 01:00:51,751
Obviously she felt
a deep sadness about that,
1112
01:00:51,786 --> 01:00:53,822
and my mother
repeated that story,
1113
01:00:53,857 --> 01:00:59,794
and she, as well as I,
felt this deep remorse
for the loss of these twins.
1114
01:01:02,244 --> 01:01:05,247
My grandmother
had undiagnosed depression,
1115
01:01:05,282 --> 01:01:08,595
which then contributed
to my mother's
stress level as well.
1116
01:01:08,630 --> 01:01:10,045
And I started
thinking about that,
1117
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:11,840
and how that got
transmitted to me,
1118
01:01:11,875 --> 01:01:15,361
and how I was going to
transmit that to
the next generation.
1119
01:01:15,395 --> 01:01:16,500
It was scary.
1120
01:01:16,534 --> 01:01:18,709
I felt like
at any point in time,
1121
01:01:18,744 --> 01:01:22,057
unfortunately, my children
could die in utero.
1122
01:01:22,092 --> 01:01:23,541
How I dealt with the anxiety,
1123
01:01:23,576 --> 01:01:25,578
was that I would refuse
to look at the ultrasound
1124
01:01:25,612 --> 01:01:29,547
until my husband told me
everything was okay
with their heartbeats.
1125
01:01:29,582 --> 01:01:34,967
Um, and that's basically
how I lived through
that pregnancy.
1126
01:01:35,001 --> 01:01:37,763
And I think that affected me
in my attachment to them
1127
01:01:37,797 --> 01:01:39,488
when they were born,
initially.
1128
01:01:39,523 --> 01:01:41,628
I couldn't change
their diapers.
1129
01:01:41,663 --> 01:01:43,458
I didn't really want
to hold them,
1130
01:01:43,492 --> 01:01:47,496
which is probably
part of the reason
why we had a third child.
1131
01:01:52,467 --> 01:01:55,401
Every woman who has a child,
1132
01:01:57,092 --> 01:01:59,888
puts on that child
her experience.
1133
01:01:59,923 --> 01:02:02,788
And so any way that women
are treated
1134
01:02:03,754 --> 01:02:05,618
is what gets passed down.
1135
01:02:06,964 --> 01:02:11,072
Women have borne
the burden, the pain,
1136
01:02:11,106 --> 01:02:14,075
of thousands of years
1137
01:02:14,109 --> 01:02:18,458
where men have treated
women badly,
1138
01:02:19,287 --> 01:02:20,909
have devalued women.
1139
01:02:21,841 --> 01:02:25,362
That devaluation, that pain,
1140
01:02:25,396 --> 01:02:27,916
is part of every
woman's heritage.
1141
01:02:31,644 --> 01:02:35,130
Men took over, being stronger,
1142
01:02:35,165 --> 01:02:38,927
and made women believe
they were second-class.
1143
01:02:38,962 --> 01:02:43,898
And women are second-class
in the minds of men
to this very day.
1144
01:02:43,932 --> 01:02:47,556
You know examples
and I know many examples.
1145
01:02:47,591 --> 01:02:53,873
Despite our talk
about equality,
it is an uphill battle.
1146
01:02:53,908 --> 01:02:57,635
Thousands and thousands
of years, of this toxicity
1147
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:01,847
that is ground
into the unconscious
1148
01:03:01,881 --> 01:03:04,677
of every person
and every woman.
1149
01:03:06,610 --> 01:03:11,339
Now, that stuff is what is
projected into the new baby.
1150
01:03:25,008 --> 01:03:28,563
And what's terrible
is the children born now,
1151
01:03:28,597 --> 01:03:31,290
have to bear that burden
from the past,
1152
01:03:31,324 --> 01:03:36,398
and have to bear the burden
of current conditions
in the world.
1153
01:03:46,305 --> 01:03:51,793
MATE: I had this
sex trade worker who
has died since of HIV,
1154
01:03:51,828 --> 01:03:54,382
but I asked her what heroin
did for her, and she said,
1155
01:03:54,416 --> 01:03:58,455
"The first time I did heroin,
it felt like a warm soft hug."
1156
01:03:58,489 --> 01:04:01,976
Which is exactly what
she would have gotten
from her mom,
1157
01:04:02,010 --> 01:04:04,771
had her mom not been
traumatized herself.
1158
01:04:04,806 --> 01:04:09,017
And a guy in his 40s,
a big imposing-looking,
1159
01:04:09,052 --> 01:04:14,678
muscled, tattooed
fellow in rehab,
1160
01:04:14,712 --> 01:04:16,887
I asked him what
the heroin did for him,
1161
01:04:16,922 --> 01:04:18,647
and he said "Doc, I don't know
how to tell you this,
1162
01:04:18,682 --> 01:04:21,478
"but it's sort of like
when you're a kid,
1163
01:04:21,512 --> 01:04:24,688
"and you're three years old,
and you're sick
and you're shivering
1164
01:04:24,722 --> 01:04:26,517
"and your mommy
puts you on her lap,
1165
01:04:26,552 --> 01:04:28,243
"and she wraps you
in a warm blanket
1166
01:04:28,278 --> 01:04:29,693
"and gives you
warm chicken soup,
1167
01:04:29,727 --> 01:04:31,384
"that's what the heroin
feels like."
1168
01:04:31,419 --> 01:04:33,317
What are they talking about?
1169
01:04:33,352 --> 01:04:34,732
They're talking about love.
1170
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:38,046
Heroin gives them
that feeling of love.
1171
01:04:38,081 --> 01:04:39,737
Who wouldn't want that?
1172
01:04:39,772 --> 01:04:41,291
The heroin is their attempt
1173
01:04:41,325 --> 01:04:44,777
to solve the problem
of the absence of love
in their lives.
1174
01:04:44,811 --> 01:04:47,469
And that of course, again,
goes back to early experience.
1175
01:04:49,230 --> 01:04:52,543
There's that awareness
that we have to get
to know ourselves.
1176
01:04:52,578 --> 01:04:57,031
But we flee from
that kind of knowledge,
1177
01:04:57,065 --> 01:05:00,103
and I think we flee from it
because there's pain there,
1178
01:05:00,137 --> 01:05:02,070
and people don't want
to experience pain.
1179
01:05:04,935 --> 01:05:06,730
WEINER:
I think pharmaceuticals
are so prevalent
1180
01:05:06,764 --> 01:05:09,491
because people
don't know what to do.
1181
01:05:09,526 --> 01:05:12,322
The problem is,
when you say to somebody,
1182
01:05:12,356 --> 01:05:15,946
"Take this drug,"
what you're really saying is,
1183
01:05:15,981 --> 01:05:17,914
"I don't think
I can understand you.
1184
01:05:17,948 --> 01:05:19,467
"I don't think
we can get at your pain,
1185
01:05:19,501 --> 01:05:22,194
"I don't think
we can understand
why you're anxious everyday
1186
01:05:22,228 --> 01:05:24,610
"or understand
why you're depressed,
1187
01:05:24,644 --> 01:05:27,544
"so what I'd like to do
is quiet you down.
1188
01:05:28,476 --> 01:05:29,995
"I'd like to at least...
1189
01:05:30,029 --> 01:05:32,273
"Let's make it feel
a little better every day."
1190
01:05:32,307 --> 01:05:33,412
Well, then you're stuck.
1191
01:05:33,446 --> 01:05:35,897
You have to take a pill
the rest of your life.
1192
01:05:35,932 --> 01:05:37,692
And most people
on medication will say,
1193
01:05:37,726 --> 01:05:39,797
"Well, it helped me
for so long,
1194
01:05:39,832 --> 01:05:42,145
"but, Doctor,
I still have nightmares.
1195
01:05:43,940 --> 01:05:45,286
"What do I do?
1196
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:48,151
"My relationships
still don't go right.
1197
01:05:48,185 --> 01:05:49,428
"What do I do?
1198
01:05:49,462 --> 01:05:51,119
"I'm still not happy.
1199
01:05:51,154 --> 01:05:53,984
"I'm not suicidal.
But I'm not happy.
1200
01:05:54,019 --> 01:05:55,744
"What do I do?"
1201
01:05:55,779 --> 01:05:57,505
When they present
this stuff about trauma
1202
01:05:57,539 --> 01:06:01,543
and early experience
and pain to physicians,
1203
01:06:01,578 --> 01:06:03,821
they don't get
a lot of arguments,
1204
01:06:03,856 --> 01:06:05,927
and I don't get
a lot of arguments.
1205
01:06:05,962 --> 01:06:07,825
We present the data.
1206
01:06:07,860 --> 01:06:09,896
What we get is silence.
1207
01:06:09,931 --> 01:06:13,072
A kind of stunned,
uncomfortable silence.
1208
01:06:15,178 --> 01:06:17,697
This is your last chance.
1209
01:06:17,732 --> 01:06:20,321
After this,
there is no turning back.
1210
01:06:20,355 --> 01:06:22,081
You take the blue pill,
1211
01:06:22,116 --> 01:06:24,842
the story ends,
you wake up in your bed
1212
01:06:24,877 --> 01:06:27,397
and believe whatever
you want to believe.
1213
01:06:27,431 --> 01:06:31,677
You take the red pill,
you stay in Wonderland,
1214
01:06:31,711 --> 01:06:34,542
and I show you how deep
the rabbit hole goes.
1215
01:06:34,576 --> 01:06:36,647
WEINER: I think the kind
of suffering people,
1216
01:06:36,682 --> 01:06:38,580
at least come
into the office with,
1217
01:06:40,168 --> 01:06:41,445
runs the gamut.
1218
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:43,620
And it really
is everything from,
1219
01:06:43,654 --> 01:06:46,278
"I can't find the right mate,"
1220
01:06:46,312 --> 01:06:48,935
to "My marriage
is falling apart,"
1221
01:06:48,970 --> 01:06:51,628
to "I don't know what
I want to do with my life."
1222
01:06:51,662 --> 01:06:56,426
And then of course you have
much more severe pathologies.
1223
01:06:56,460 --> 01:06:57,772
People can't work,
1224
01:06:57,806 --> 01:07:00,395
or they can't go to school,
1225
01:07:00,430 --> 01:07:04,089
they can't sustain any kind
of meaningful relationship.
1226
01:07:04,123 --> 01:07:08,403
And, you know, sometimes
they're really on the verge
of saying, "I'm done."
1227
01:07:09,991 --> 01:07:13,443
InThe Matrix, Morpheus
would play the analyst.
1228
01:07:13,477 --> 01:07:17,585
What it's really talking about
here is the imprint.
1229
01:07:17,619 --> 01:07:19,276
It's really saying,
1230
01:07:19,311 --> 01:07:23,211
"Listen, each person doesn't
realize that they're plugged
into their own imprint."
1231
01:07:25,489 --> 01:07:27,181
The Matrix is a system, Neo.
1232
01:07:28,492 --> 01:07:30,598
That system is our enemy.
1233
01:07:30,632 --> 01:07:32,048
WEINER: This is it.
1234
01:07:32,082 --> 01:07:34,429
You think
you are living your life,
1235
01:07:34,464 --> 01:07:36,086
but really you're not.
1236
01:07:36,121 --> 01:07:40,849
And what Neo discovers,
is that life is a fantasy.
1237
01:07:40,884 --> 01:07:43,783
In a way,
that's what the power
of denial does.
1238
01:07:43,818 --> 01:07:45,992
Keeps you from really
living your life.
1239
01:07:46,027 --> 01:07:47,097
You have to understand,
1240
01:07:47,132 --> 01:07:50,756
most of these people
are not ready to be unplugged.
1241
01:07:50,790 --> 01:07:52,551
And many of them
are so inured,
1242
01:07:52,585 --> 01:07:55,174
so hopelessly dependent
on the system,
1243
01:07:55,209 --> 01:07:57,349
that they will fight
to protect it.
1244
01:07:58,798 --> 01:08:01,629
You've split off
your personality.
1245
01:08:01,663 --> 01:08:05,391
You've taken on
an enormous portion
of your mother's.
1246
01:08:06,082 --> 01:08:07,290
So it's not really you.
1247
01:08:16,161 --> 01:08:19,440
The moment when Neo is
unplugged is quite a moment.
1248
01:08:19,474 --> 01:08:22,270
I think it's just as
terrifying for a patient.
1249
01:08:22,305 --> 01:08:26,412
Because they're facing
the moment of their
initial trauma.
1250
01:08:34,110 --> 01:08:35,180
[YELLS]
1251
01:08:39,598 --> 01:08:40,840
Okay.
1252
01:08:41,669 --> 01:08:44,534
Get my body back
into a power plant,
1253
01:08:44,568 --> 01:08:48,020
re-insert me into the Matrix,
I'll get you what you want.
1254
01:08:48,054 --> 01:08:49,849
I think everybody
could understand
1255
01:08:49,884 --> 01:08:52,266
Cypher's desire
to be plugged back in.
1256
01:08:52,300 --> 01:08:55,510
Nine hard years,
they're running
for their lives.
1257
01:08:55,545 --> 01:08:57,340
This is a constant battle.
1258
01:08:57,374 --> 01:08:59,721
He's saying,
"What have I really got?
1259
01:08:59,756 --> 01:09:03,208
"Please make me numb again,
give me back my fake life."
1260
01:09:03,242 --> 01:09:06,901
After nine years,
you know what I realize?
1261
01:09:12,665 --> 01:09:13,666
[SIGHS]
1262
01:09:15,220 --> 01:09:16,669
Ignorance is bliss.
1263
01:09:18,257 --> 01:09:21,571
The part of him
that can't tolerate it,
1264
01:09:21,605 --> 01:09:25,540
that says,
"This is too painful,
I don't like it," wins.
1265
01:09:26,610 --> 01:09:28,819
But we know where
he's going back to,
1266
01:09:28,854 --> 01:09:31,097
and it's not good-looking.
1267
01:09:39,002 --> 01:09:42,039
I think a lot of people
consciously want freedom.
1268
01:09:42,074 --> 01:09:45,111
They're talking about it
all the time.
1269
01:09:45,146 --> 01:09:49,875
But if we start to see
the reasons that people
may talk about it,
1270
01:09:49,909 --> 01:09:52,257
but might not
either fight for it,
1271
01:09:52,291 --> 01:09:58,263
demand it, or even notice
when it's chipped away at.
1272
01:09:58,297 --> 01:10:04,752
Because there is an idea
already embedded that says,
1273
01:10:04,786 --> 01:10:08,756
"Take care of me.
Take care of me.
1274
01:10:08,790 --> 01:10:12,104
"See, if you're free,
you won't take care of me.
1275
01:10:12,138 --> 01:10:16,626
"I need you to take care
of me because I can't
handle doing all of this."
1276
01:10:16,660 --> 01:10:21,700
BAIL: Civilization is
a very thin veneer
that everybody wears.
1277
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:24,599
You wipe that off,
1278
01:10:24,634 --> 01:10:27,430
everybody's functioning
like a baby.
1279
01:10:27,464 --> 01:10:31,296
With all these
archaic mechanisms,
1280
01:10:31,330 --> 01:10:35,127
with all those archaic
feelings running rampant.
1281
01:10:36,508 --> 01:10:41,547
WEINER: Now, the good news is,
life in the pod was nothing.
1282
01:10:41,582 --> 01:10:44,619
You thought this would
all kill you at the start.
1283
01:10:44,654 --> 01:10:47,864
But giving it back
or getting rid of it,
1284
01:10:47,898 --> 01:10:50,832
unplugging from it,
will actually give you a life.
1285
01:10:53,076 --> 01:10:56,424
This may be your first chance
to know your whole self.
1286
01:10:56,459 --> 01:10:58,046
Can you imagine?
1287
01:10:59,876 --> 01:11:01,602
But you're talking to a baby.
1288
01:11:03,328 --> 01:11:07,746
You're talking to
a little baby who's
saying, "No, I'll die."
1289
01:11:07,780 --> 01:11:10,162
You're not talking
to an adult.
1290
01:11:10,196 --> 01:11:12,647
An adult might say,
"Yeah, I get it, Doctor.
1291
01:11:12,682 --> 01:11:14,235
"I'm rooting for you."
1292
01:11:15,063 --> 01:11:18,135
But a baby says,
"Don't you dare.
1293
01:11:22,588 --> 01:11:23,555
"I'll fight you."
1294
01:11:27,041 --> 01:11:28,145
InThe Matrix,
1295
01:11:28,180 --> 01:11:31,597
there's a whole scene
where there's a battle,
1296
01:11:31,632 --> 01:11:35,774
and I would say
the battle is between
Neo and a terrified baby.
1297
01:11:35,808 --> 01:11:40,434
Which is, "Are you going
to be able to change things?"
1298
01:11:40,468 --> 01:11:43,506
Every time a person
wants to change something,
1299
01:11:43,540 --> 01:11:47,026
the baby that's afraid
steps in,
1300
01:11:47,061 --> 01:11:49,615
and it says,
"I can't change this.
1301
01:11:49,650 --> 01:11:51,168
"This saved me.
1302
01:11:51,203 --> 01:11:53,032
"This preserved my life.
1303
01:11:53,067 --> 01:11:55,897
"You want me to change this?
You must be crazy."
1304
01:11:55,932 --> 01:11:57,313
And it's not so polite.
1305
01:11:59,349 --> 01:12:01,938
That experience
is so dreadful,
1306
01:12:01,972 --> 01:12:06,736
that anything, any clue,
1307
01:12:06,770 --> 01:12:12,328
any hint of an analyst
approaching that domain
1308
01:12:13,605 --> 01:12:17,643
will send a number
of patients scurrying.
1309
01:12:17,678 --> 01:12:23,856
Fear of re-experiencing
that terrible trauma.
1310
01:12:27,584 --> 01:12:31,312
The necessity
to wake up is universal.
1311
01:12:32,106 --> 01:12:33,866
But what induces sleep
1312
01:12:33,901 --> 01:12:38,388
is our vulnerability
as fetuses to handle
the suffering.
1313
01:12:40,321 --> 01:12:43,048
And so that we don't
even fault ourselves
1314
01:12:43,082 --> 01:12:45,257
for having been asleep,
but we do.
1315
01:12:45,291 --> 01:12:48,191
We accept that,
that's what happened.
1316
01:12:53,127 --> 01:12:59,616
When I was 21
and enlisted in the Air Force,
1317
01:13:00,583 --> 01:13:04,034
I thought war was exciting.
1318
01:13:04,069 --> 01:13:08,729
With all kinds of fantasies
built up by movies and books.
1319
01:13:12,284 --> 01:13:14,631
The 25th mission,
1320
01:13:14,666 --> 01:13:19,602
the target was to hit
this jet plane factory
deep in Germany.
1321
01:13:21,293 --> 01:13:23,640
And over the target,
we got hit.
1322
01:13:26,091 --> 01:13:30,682
I felt the noise,
and I screamed.
1323
01:13:31,821 --> 01:13:34,202
It was so painful.
1324
01:13:34,237 --> 01:13:41,140
I saw the pilots who were
like dolls on the side.
1325
01:13:41,865 --> 01:13:43,315
I knew they were dead.
1326
01:13:46,214 --> 01:13:49,908
And there was only myself
and the engineer,
1327
01:13:49,942 --> 01:13:51,530
and he couldn't move.
1328
01:13:52,635 --> 01:13:54,050
And I called him a name.
1329
01:13:54,084 --> 01:13:56,846
I said, "You son of a bitch!
Come on!"
1330
01:13:56,880 --> 01:13:58,330
He was frozen.
1331
01:13:58,364 --> 01:14:01,782
And then it was too late.
I jumped.
1332
01:14:02,921 --> 01:14:05,820
His fear overwhelmed him.
1333
01:14:09,514 --> 01:14:11,792
I know about fear.
1334
01:14:11,826 --> 01:14:16,900
You cannot be in the war
without knowing about fear.
1335
01:14:16,935 --> 01:14:22,250
One understands
why people seek to die,
1336
01:14:23,493 --> 01:14:25,046
for example,
stand up in a trench
1337
01:14:25,081 --> 01:14:29,395
and be shot by the enemy
just to get it over.
1338
01:14:31,363 --> 01:14:37,403
But I also learned
that survival
is what people strive for.
1339
01:14:38,577 --> 01:14:39,820
Survive.
1340
01:14:40,924 --> 01:14:42,719
Survive at any cost.
1341
01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:46,171
Do anything to survive.
1342
01:14:47,862 --> 01:14:51,728
WEINER:
When you see people
fight to get their lives,
1343
01:14:51,763 --> 01:14:54,420
and you see what human beings
are capable of,
1344
01:14:54,455 --> 01:14:57,044
I don't think there's anything
like it in the whole world.
1345
01:14:57,078 --> 01:15:00,737
It's striking
1346
01:15:00,772 --> 01:15:05,915
how often I've been
told by people
with serious illnesses,
1347
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:09,090
and even fatal illnesses,
1348
01:15:09,125 --> 01:15:12,680
that this disease
was the best thing
that ever happened to them.
1349
01:15:12,715 --> 01:15:16,339
Now, I don't recommend
that way of waking up.
1350
01:15:17,098 --> 01:15:19,342
But what they mean is that,
1351
01:15:19,376 --> 01:15:20,723
"Having to deal
with this disease
1352
01:15:20,757 --> 01:15:23,484
"actually woke me up
to who I really am,
1353
01:15:23,519 --> 01:15:26,280
"and who I've been and what
I've not been all my life.
1354
01:15:26,314 --> 01:15:28,489
"And it's taught me
what life really is all about.
1355
01:15:28,524 --> 01:15:32,113
"And that's worth
dying for."
1356
01:15:37,636 --> 01:15:38,982
WEINER: I think inThe Matrix,
1357
01:15:39,017 --> 01:15:42,779
it's very interesting
because when Neo finally dies,
1358
01:15:44,470 --> 01:15:46,542
what brings him
back to life is love.
1359
01:15:49,683 --> 01:15:51,339
Well, wait a minute,
1360
01:15:51,374 --> 01:15:54,101
love can bring you
back from death?
1361
01:15:55,102 --> 01:15:57,104
This is very good news.
1362
01:16:01,004 --> 01:16:05,112
BAIL: When you com
to a point of knowing
1363
01:16:05,146 --> 01:16:09,634
what is the cause of all this.
1364
01:16:09,668 --> 01:16:12,119
And you know
it's your fetal life
1365
01:16:12,153 --> 01:16:18,056
where all this desperation,
this pain, takes place.
1366
01:16:18,090 --> 01:16:21,577
And when you have an answer,
like the door opens.
1367
01:16:22,957 --> 01:16:27,962
Because one can
make sense of it.
1368
01:16:27,997 --> 01:16:32,173
One can make absolute sense
of all the feelings.
1369
01:16:32,208 --> 01:16:36,764
The patient has to come
to an emotional understanding
1370
01:16:36,799 --> 01:16:41,907
because what is first
in a human being is feeling.
1371
01:16:44,807 --> 01:16:48,327
The fetus is a feeling entity.
1372
01:16:49,432 --> 01:16:50,985
Not a mental entity.
1373
01:16:51,020 --> 01:16:52,366
A feeling entity.
1374
01:16:58,959 --> 01:17:00,995
Only when compassion
is present,
1375
01:17:01,030 --> 01:17:03,791
will people allow
themselves to see the truth.
1376
01:17:03,826 --> 01:17:08,554
Compassion for the fact
that unconsciousness
is a response.
1377
01:17:08,589 --> 01:17:12,006
Because it was too painful
to be conscious
when we were young.
1378
01:17:12,041 --> 01:17:15,872
Not to blame ourselves
for what we did
as a result of that,
1379
01:17:15,907 --> 01:17:18,012
but to be compassionate
with ourselves,
1380
01:17:18,047 --> 01:17:19,289
not to fault ourselves,
1381
01:17:19,324 --> 01:17:21,360
what we did to
ourselves or others,
1382
01:17:21,395 --> 01:17:23,259
but to be curious
as to why we did it.
1383
01:17:28,851 --> 01:17:30,784
I read a quote
by Maya Angelou.
1384
01:17:30,818 --> 01:17:32,026
She said,
1385
01:17:32,061 --> 01:17:34,339
"You do the best you can
1386
01:17:34,373 --> 01:17:36,721
"until you know better,
then you do better."
1387
01:17:36,755 --> 01:17:38,205
That's a paraphrase.
1388
01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:46,420
You have to be careful
how you tell a woman
1389
01:17:46,454 --> 01:17:49,768
that what she does
impacts her baby
1390
01:17:49,803 --> 01:17:52,495
because she can only
do what she can do.
1391
01:17:55,636 --> 01:17:59,157
I tend to be very analytical
and think about things a lot,
1392
01:17:59,191 --> 01:18:04,058
and, um, give myself
some unneeded anxieties.
1393
01:18:05,784 --> 01:18:08,269
HALE: Is this chil
going to be healthy?
1394
01:18:08,304 --> 01:18:10,237
Is the child going to have
1395
01:18:10,271 --> 01:18:13,067
some kind of, you know,
developmental disorders,
1396
01:18:13,102 --> 01:18:16,553
or be killed at whatever age?
1397
01:18:18,038 --> 01:18:21,041
I spent a lot of the pregnancy
being very on edge.
1398
01:18:23,422 --> 01:18:25,286
ERTEL: The way that
we're taught in our society,
1399
01:18:25,321 --> 01:18:27,461
we're always second-guessing.
1400
01:18:27,495 --> 01:18:30,015
We're looking to books
and other people
for information
1401
01:18:30,050 --> 01:18:32,086
on how to raise our children
when it should be,
1402
01:18:32,121 --> 01:18:34,710
and it is,
an innate knowledge.
1403
01:18:37,747 --> 01:18:42,510
Women need to know
that babies are strong.
1404
01:18:42,545 --> 01:18:48,896
We all spend
nearly nine months
in this intrauterine life
1405
01:18:48,931 --> 01:18:51,002
with this happiness
and with these sufferings
1406
01:18:51,036 --> 01:18:54,005
and we all have to
pass through birth,
1407
01:18:54,039 --> 01:18:58,906
which is perhaps
one of the hardest
labors on this planet.
1408
01:18:58,941 --> 01:19:00,563
To be born.
1409
01:19:00,597 --> 01:19:01,840
And to give birth.
1410
01:19:04,049 --> 01:19:06,500
The birth is a journey
of the hero
1411
01:19:06,534 --> 01:19:08,536
like The Little Mermaid...
1412
01:19:08,571 --> 01:19:09,710
Alice in Wonderland...
1413
01:19:09,745 --> 01:19:12,092
and The Matrix.
1414
01:19:12,126 --> 01:19:14,059
I remember walking
into the clinic on a Monday,
1415
01:19:14,094 --> 01:19:16,959
and having nurses' jaws drop.
1416
01:19:16,993 --> 01:19:21,826
I was 213 pounds the day
before I delivered them.
1417
01:19:21,860 --> 01:19:25,968
I started having contractions
around 1:00 or 2:00
in the morning.
1418
01:19:27,279 --> 01:19:29,385
WILSON:
When labor actually started,
1419
01:19:29,419 --> 01:19:32,284
all of our children were able
to be there for the birth.
1420
01:19:33,803 --> 01:19:36,426
It was absolutely insane
getting to the hospital.
1421
01:19:36,461 --> 01:19:39,567
My feet were hanging out
the window, practically.
1422
01:19:39,602 --> 01:19:42,467
We arrived,
screamed up to the front door.
1423
01:19:42,501 --> 01:19:44,296
And then, you know, like,
an hour later,
1424
01:19:44,331 --> 01:19:46,712
I was ready to push.
1425
01:19:46,747 --> 01:19:48,438
Certainly the contractions
were intense,
1426
01:19:48,473 --> 01:19:51,096
but I can only imagine
what it feels like inside.
1427
01:19:51,131 --> 01:19:54,203
I was thinking to myself,
you know, just breathe.
1428
01:19:54,237 --> 01:19:55,860
Just breathe, just breathe.
1429
01:19:57,862 --> 01:20:00,761
It's an awful pain,
but it brings you ahead.
1430
01:20:00,796 --> 01:20:02,073
And with every wave,
1431
01:20:02,107 --> 01:20:05,766
you come a little bit
nearer to our world.
1432
01:20:38,868 --> 01:20:43,493
VERNY: World ecology
has to start with
womb ecology.
1433
01:20:43,528 --> 01:20:48,982
We cannot have peace
and good people in the world
1434
01:20:49,016 --> 01:20:53,607
without raising peaceful,
good children.
1435
01:20:53,641 --> 01:20:56,644
And that has to start
at conception,
1436
01:20:56,679 --> 01:20:59,371
not at birth,
but at conception.
1437
01:21:01,753 --> 01:21:04,790
The more people
really realize all of this,
1438
01:21:04,825 --> 01:21:09,036
I think the more thought
goes into how we treat
1439
01:21:09,071 --> 01:21:13,489
the unborn child,
but also how do we treat
the mother?
1440
01:21:13,523 --> 01:21:17,286
How do we start
to make sure we're
really making this a world
1441
01:21:17,320 --> 01:21:22,187
where we don't
have to send so much
1442
01:21:22,222 --> 01:21:28,884
very troubling, difficult
thoughts and feelings
towards our fetuses?
1443
01:21:28,918 --> 01:21:32,508
It's our responsibility
to make a better job of it
1444
01:21:32,542 --> 01:21:34,303
than we have done in the past.
1445
01:21:35,994 --> 01:21:38,963
There are too many children
who are neglected,
1446
01:21:38,997 --> 01:21:41,586
who are born
and raised unloved,
1447
01:21:41,620 --> 01:21:43,519
and unless this changes,
1448
01:21:43,553 --> 01:21:45,141
the world
is not going to change.
1449
01:21:46,660 --> 01:21:49,042
WEINER: When you start
to lift off the damage,
1450
01:21:49,076 --> 01:21:53,356
you get to a much
more loving state of mind.
1451
01:21:53,391 --> 01:21:55,669
And love in that sense
is not only a feeling,
1452
01:21:55,703 --> 01:21:57,843
it's also
a set of actions.
1453
01:21:57,878 --> 01:21:59,984
It's also a set of relating.
1454
01:22:00,536 --> 01:22:03,470
It's, above all,
1455
01:22:04,885 --> 01:22:09,165
a constant seeking
to understand the other.
1456
01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:13,721
BAIL:
When a baby is understood,
that baby is loved.
1457
01:22:15,896 --> 01:22:19,244
When the mother
puts the baby to the breast,
1458
01:22:19,279 --> 01:22:22,627
and the baby's hungry,
that baby is loved.
1459
01:22:25,388 --> 01:22:29,013
When the mother picks
the baby up
and holds it and pats it
1460
01:22:29,047 --> 01:22:32,326
and that's what
the baby wanted,
that baby is loved.
1461
01:22:33,465 --> 01:22:36,813
Being understood
is being loved.
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