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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,055 --> 00:00:01,263 WOMAN: These young people were murdered. 2 00:00:01,347 --> 00:00:02,806 Their cases were never solved. 3 00:00:03,055 --> 00:00:06,055 Somebody know something other than Wayne Williams. 4 00:00:06,138 --> 00:00:08,639 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 5 00:00:08,722 --> 00:00:11,972 This is a case of politics, racism and murder. 6 00:00:12,222 --> 00:00:14,055 WOMAN 2: A lot has changed in our world 7 00:00:14,389 --> 00:00:17,889 since there was a conviction of Wayne Williams 8 00:00:17,972 --> 00:00:19,305 for two of these murders. 9 00:00:19,389 --> 00:00:22,931 This is a really ugly, dark chapter, but we need to own it. 10 00:00:23,013 --> 00:00:24,681 Do the police work. 11 00:00:25,138 --> 00:00:28,972 If Wayne didn't kill the children, then who did? 12 00:00:30,138 --> 00:00:31,681 [TV static drones] 13 00:00:31,764 --> 00:00:33,764 [bright tone] 14 00:00:41,097 --> 00:00:44,055 ["Save Me" by Joan Armatrading playing] 15 00:00:44,138 --> 00:00:45,222 ♪ ♪ 16 00:00:45,305 --> 00:00:47,847 - ♪ Sinking ♪ 17 00:00:47,931 --> 00:00:53,806 ♪ Caught up in a whirling motion ♪ 18 00:00:53,889 --> 00:00:57,097 ♪ Such a strange sensation ♪ 19 00:00:57,180 --> 00:01:00,639 ♪ ♪ 20 00:01:00,722 --> 00:01:05,263 ♪ The currents uncertain ♪ 21 00:01:05,347 --> 00:01:09,097 ♪ Like sails of a mill, I spin ♪ 22 00:01:11,097 --> 00:01:14,055 ♪ Like wheels, I move in a circle ♪ 23 00:01:14,138 --> 00:01:17,055 ♪ While you stand ♪ 24 00:01:17,138 --> 00:01:20,055 ♪ On the bank ♪ 25 00:01:20,138 --> 00:01:24,931 ♪ Immune or evasive ♪ 26 00:01:25,013 --> 00:01:26,931 ♪ Throw me a lifeline ♪ 27 00:01:27,013 --> 00:01:31,222 ♪ Save me ♪ 28 00:01:31,305 --> 00:01:36,305 ♪ Save me ♪ 29 00:01:39,347 --> 00:01:43,180 - If there are those who think that by killing black children 30 00:01:43,263 --> 00:01:44,972 that they're gonna crush the spirit 31 00:01:45,055 --> 00:01:47,389 of the black community, they're mistaken. 32 00:01:47,472 --> 00:01:50,305 If they think that by coming in to kill our children 33 00:01:50,389 --> 00:01:51,972 they're gonna divide us 34 00:01:52,055 --> 00:01:54,055 and make us turn on each other, 35 00:01:54,138 --> 00:01:55,430 they're mistaken. 36 00:01:55,514 --> 00:01:57,263 We're not gonna turn on each other. 37 00:01:57,347 --> 00:01:59,263 We're gonna turn to each other, 38 00:01:59,347 --> 00:02:01,138 and out of the death of these children 39 00:02:01,222 --> 00:02:04,597 will come a new determination to shake off the shackles 40 00:02:04,681 --> 00:02:07,806 of poverty and injustice everywhere. 41 00:02:07,889 --> 00:02:10,806 [dramatic music] 42 00:02:10,889 --> 00:02:13,639 ♪ ♪ 43 00:02:13,722 --> 00:02:15,722 - Okay, we got it covered up, I think. 44 00:02:15,806 --> 00:02:19,138 [indistinct chatter] 45 00:02:19,222 --> 00:02:20,514 - I don't know. - Hey, Michael. 46 00:02:20,597 --> 00:02:21,847 Are you here yet? 47 00:02:21,931 --> 00:02:23,806 - Put those on for now. 48 00:02:23,889 --> 00:02:26,180 - Hey, darling. How you doing? 49 00:02:26,263 --> 00:02:27,972 Good. - Okay. 50 00:02:28,055 --> 00:02:30,764 - All right, welcome back to News & Talk 1380 WAOK, 51 00:02:30,847 --> 00:02:32,639 the voice of the community. 52 00:02:32,722 --> 00:02:33,972 We are broadcasting live 53 00:02:34,055 --> 00:02:38,138 from West Hunter Street Baptist Church, 54 00:02:38,222 --> 00:02:40,305 and the United Youth Adult Conference 55 00:02:40,389 --> 00:02:42,597 has opened up this conversation. 56 00:02:42,681 --> 00:02:44,806 Did Wayne Williams kill anyone? 57 00:02:44,889 --> 00:02:47,806 And maybe you were not in Atlanta at the time. 58 00:02:47,889 --> 00:02:49,972 Some of us born and raised here. 59 00:02:50,055 --> 00:02:54,138 I was born here, so 40 years ago, I was 13, 60 00:02:54,222 --> 00:02:57,972 and in my own neighborhood, one of my classmates-- 61 00:02:58,055 --> 00:02:59,972 playmates that was in my school, 62 00:03:00,055 --> 00:03:03,138 Perkerson Elementary School, Charles Stephens was snatched 63 00:03:03,222 --> 00:03:06,180 and he was subsequently killed, 64 00:03:06,263 --> 00:03:08,347 and he became a part of the list. 65 00:03:08,430 --> 00:03:11,764 - Police say Charles Stephens was asphyxiated then dumped. 66 00:03:11,847 --> 00:03:15,847 - So it was indeed a era of terror. 67 00:03:15,931 --> 00:03:19,597 - Somebody somewhere out there knows 68 00:03:19,681 --> 00:03:24,055 who's doing this insane series of acts 69 00:03:24,138 --> 00:03:25,889 and attacks on our children. 70 00:03:25,972 --> 00:03:28,889 ♪ ♪ 71 00:03:28,972 --> 00:03:31,847 - Insanity is how Atlanta's mayor has described it. 72 00:03:31,931 --> 00:03:33,389 In a little more than a year, 73 00:03:33,472 --> 00:03:35,555 eight Atlanta children have been found strangled, 74 00:03:35,639 --> 00:03:36,847 bludgeoned, or shot to death. 75 00:03:36,931 --> 00:03:38,013 Six others are missing. 76 00:03:38,097 --> 00:03:40,222 - When the task force was formed 77 00:03:40,305 --> 00:03:41,806 to look into these cases, 78 00:03:41,889 --> 00:03:43,764 that was a year into the killings, 79 00:03:43,847 --> 00:03:45,180 and of course the first question was, 80 00:03:45,263 --> 00:03:48,097 what cases are they looking into? 81 00:03:48,180 --> 00:03:50,931 And that's when the list was created, 82 00:03:51,013 --> 00:03:52,722 which became extremely controversial. 83 00:03:52,806 --> 00:03:56,347 - The list was intended to give the parents 84 00:03:56,430 --> 00:04:00,055 of the victims the impression that by putting the name 85 00:04:00,138 --> 00:04:01,931 of their child on the list, 86 00:04:02,013 --> 00:04:04,389 that warranted a deeper commitment 87 00:04:04,472 --> 00:04:05,889 to solving the cases, 88 00:04:05,972 --> 00:04:07,847 but at the same time, 89 00:04:07,931 --> 00:04:10,389 there were these other disappearances and murders 90 00:04:10,472 --> 00:04:12,764 of children which didn't make the list. 91 00:04:12,847 --> 00:04:15,305 - You have to remember even with the list 92 00:04:15,389 --> 00:04:18,097 that became known as the Missing and Murdered Children, 93 00:04:18,180 --> 00:04:21,347 it took a while before people realized there was a pattern, 94 00:04:21,430 --> 00:04:26,097 and so we're looking to see if the list is an accurate list. 95 00:04:26,180 --> 00:04:29,097 We won't be surprised if the list grows. 96 00:04:29,180 --> 00:04:32,097 The Atlanta Police Department has already gone back 97 00:04:32,180 --> 00:04:35,597 to look back and forward several years 98 00:04:35,681 --> 00:04:38,847 at all of the murders of children in our city 99 00:04:38,931 --> 00:04:40,263 and the number is staggering. 100 00:04:40,347 --> 00:04:43,263 There were 158 murders of children 101 00:04:43,347 --> 00:04:46,263 and 33 are still unsolved. 102 00:04:46,347 --> 00:04:49,931 So we don't know if there was something else going on 103 00:04:50,013 --> 00:04:53,055 that we still haven't pieced together. 104 00:04:53,138 --> 00:04:55,972 - It was 40 years ago where we-- 105 00:04:56,055 --> 00:04:59,597 unfortunately our young brothers were snatched up, 106 00:04:59,681 --> 00:05:01,430 picked up. 107 00:05:01,514 --> 00:05:03,931 We don't know when, don't know how. 108 00:05:04,013 --> 00:05:06,639 After 40 years we're still searching for answers. 109 00:05:06,722 --> 00:05:09,305 If you would, I want you to touch the hand 110 00:05:09,389 --> 00:05:12,180 of someone close and near. 111 00:05:12,263 --> 00:05:14,180 I know someone's saying, "I didn't come for all that," 112 00:05:14,263 --> 00:05:16,806 but this is the house of prayer. 113 00:05:16,889 --> 00:05:18,472 all: Amen. 114 00:05:18,555 --> 00:05:22,514 - All right, now I'm asking you to touch someone's hand 115 00:05:22,597 --> 00:05:27,639 because this may be the last hand that you may touch. 116 00:05:27,722 --> 00:05:30,430 That's how fragile life is. 117 00:05:30,514 --> 00:05:34,472 Just like those young men 40 years ago. 118 00:05:34,555 --> 00:05:37,806 Left home, never made it back. 119 00:05:37,889 --> 00:05:40,514 Never had a chance to tell loved ones they love them 120 00:05:40,597 --> 00:05:46,305 'cause they thought that they had all the time in the world. 121 00:05:46,389 --> 00:05:49,222 - To have to tell your children to be careful 122 00:05:49,305 --> 00:05:51,639 because people are murdering people your age 123 00:05:51,722 --> 00:05:55,013 is a horrific thing to have to do. 124 00:05:55,097 --> 00:05:57,514 There was a concerted effort 125 00:05:57,597 --> 00:05:59,013 for people to be on street corners 126 00:05:59,097 --> 00:06:01,847 or pathways to school 127 00:06:01,931 --> 00:06:03,389 and community programs. 128 00:06:03,472 --> 00:06:04,847 People were kind of teaching children 129 00:06:04,931 --> 00:06:06,681 how to keep safe, travel in groups, 130 00:06:06,764 --> 00:06:08,972 and, you know, go straight home, don't... 131 00:06:09,055 --> 00:06:13,514 - It was frightening because I'd just had a son, 132 00:06:13,597 --> 00:06:14,806 Tyrone, Jr., 133 00:06:14,889 --> 00:06:17,013 and I was worried about my little boy. 134 00:06:17,097 --> 00:06:19,847 ♪ ♪ 135 00:06:19,931 --> 00:06:21,514 It was--you couldn't sleep. 136 00:06:21,597 --> 00:06:24,389 I mean, you go to work, and you take your children 137 00:06:24,472 --> 00:06:26,514 to daycare, you drop them off, 138 00:06:26,597 --> 00:06:28,389 and you wonder, "When I go back, 139 00:06:28,472 --> 00:06:30,222 "is my child gonna be there? 140 00:06:30,305 --> 00:06:32,764 Can I afford to let my child play in the yard?" 141 00:06:32,847 --> 00:06:35,931 I mean, it was-- it was painful. 142 00:06:36,013 --> 00:06:39,389 - I wouldn't let my daughter sleep in a bedroom 143 00:06:39,472 --> 00:06:43,097 that had an unlocked window until she was probably 10. 144 00:06:43,180 --> 00:06:45,389 I wouldn't let her on the other side of the aisle 145 00:06:45,472 --> 00:06:46,847 in the grocery store. 146 00:06:46,931 --> 00:06:50,389 I would not let her out of sight any time. 147 00:06:50,472 --> 00:06:52,681 - You should always know where your children are going, 148 00:06:52,764 --> 00:06:53,889 what time they should arrive, 149 00:06:53,972 --> 00:06:55,430 and what time they'll come back home. 150 00:06:55,514 --> 00:06:57,389 Other things to remind them of: 151 00:06:57,472 --> 00:06:58,722 travel in pairs, 152 00:06:58,806 --> 00:07:00,097 know your address and phone number, 153 00:07:00,180 --> 00:07:01,847 never accept rides with anyone, 154 00:07:01,931 --> 00:07:03,180 don't accept money or gifts 155 00:07:03,263 --> 00:07:04,681 without the parents' permission, 156 00:07:04,764 --> 00:07:06,389 don't open the doors to strangers, 157 00:07:06,472 --> 00:07:08,430 and always know how to dial... 158 00:07:08,514 --> 00:07:10,180 ♪ ♪ 159 00:07:10,263 --> 00:07:11,931 - For me, being a seven-year-old at the time, 160 00:07:12,013 --> 00:07:14,305 I wouldn't necessarily say I was street smart, 161 00:07:14,389 --> 00:07:16,263 but there were certain things I knew. 162 00:07:16,347 --> 00:07:19,931 It had been instilled in us never to go anywhere alone. 163 00:07:20,013 --> 00:07:21,931 I knew that, you know, if I didn't know you, 164 00:07:22,013 --> 00:07:23,472 then there's no way I'm going anywhere with you. 165 00:07:23,555 --> 00:07:25,097 You know? As a matter of fact, 166 00:07:25,180 --> 00:07:26,597 I may just scream 'cause you're a little bit too close to me. 167 00:07:26,681 --> 00:07:28,472 - Nobody here will be getting into anybody's car. 168 00:07:28,555 --> 00:07:30,013 Is that correct? - Yes. 169 00:07:30,097 --> 00:07:31,722 - I don't hear you, children. 170 00:07:31,806 --> 00:07:33,138 all: Yes. - Okay. 171 00:07:33,222 --> 00:07:35,764 - When I think about it now, it's still crazy. 172 00:07:35,847 --> 00:07:38,681 Your dinner conversation was, 173 00:07:38,764 --> 00:07:40,097 when you go to school tomorrow, 174 00:07:40,180 --> 00:07:42,472 you make sure you all walk to school together, 175 00:07:42,555 --> 00:07:44,055 you come home together, 176 00:07:44,138 --> 00:07:47,430 you go in the house, you lock the door. 177 00:07:47,514 --> 00:07:51,681 I mean, it was like a monster was out there creeping. 178 00:07:55,222 --> 00:07:57,097 - We want to ask all of those individuals 179 00:07:57,180 --> 00:07:59,847 who are in the room tonight who actually participated 180 00:07:59,931 --> 00:08:01,472 and were a part of the search efforts 181 00:08:01,555 --> 00:08:03,472 if you would stand just for a moment. 182 00:08:03,555 --> 00:08:04,764 Be recognized. 183 00:08:04,847 --> 00:08:06,472 I just want you to look around at some of these heroes 184 00:08:06,555 --> 00:08:07,806 and sheroes... 185 00:08:07,889 --> 00:08:09,722 [applause] 186 00:08:09,806 --> 00:08:12,180 Who showed up every Saturday morning, 187 00:08:12,263 --> 00:08:14,305 rain, sleet, or snow for over a year. 188 00:08:14,389 --> 00:08:16,639 Thank you very much. 189 00:08:16,722 --> 00:08:18,972 Many of them are gone on to glory now, 190 00:08:19,055 --> 00:08:21,806 but we thank them for their contributions. 191 00:08:21,889 --> 00:08:23,305 - You know what police are doing 192 00:08:23,389 --> 00:08:24,931 and you've seen meetings like this one, 193 00:08:25,013 --> 00:08:27,847 but now these talk sessions are turning into act sessions. 194 00:08:27,931 --> 00:08:29,972 450 people-- police, marshals, 195 00:08:30,055 --> 00:08:31,972 college students, community volunteers-- 196 00:08:32,055 --> 00:08:34,305 are expected to take part in a search Saturday. 197 00:08:34,389 --> 00:08:36,514 - What we are fighting here in this city 198 00:08:36,597 --> 00:08:38,514 involving these very serious cases, 199 00:08:38,597 --> 00:08:40,972 vicious attacks on our children, 200 00:08:41,055 --> 00:08:44,180 I think is more powerful than we seem to understand. 201 00:08:44,263 --> 00:08:45,847 - Saturday morning, Arthur Langford, 202 00:08:45,931 --> 00:08:47,389 who was the city councilman at the time, 203 00:08:47,472 --> 00:08:50,097 said he was gonna have some volunteers come search. 204 00:08:50,180 --> 00:08:52,013 We gonna find these kids-- these missing kids. 205 00:08:52,097 --> 00:08:53,555 - 16, 17... 206 00:08:53,639 --> 00:08:55,305 The first Saturday for the search effort, 207 00:08:55,389 --> 00:08:56,514 we didn't know what to expect, 208 00:08:56,597 --> 00:08:58,555 but we had 600 people who showed up 209 00:08:58,639 --> 00:08:59,972 with their boots and their sticks 210 00:09:00,055 --> 00:09:01,639 ready to go out and do something. 211 00:09:01,722 --> 00:09:03,847 - The volunteers gathered at Clark College 212 00:09:03,931 --> 00:09:06,681 but did their search in the Dixie Hills area of Atlanta. 213 00:09:06,764 --> 00:09:08,013 - Definitely don't touch any bodies 214 00:09:08,097 --> 00:09:09,347 if you find anybody. 215 00:09:09,430 --> 00:09:12,806 - It's one of those memories you have that you really 216 00:09:12,889 --> 00:09:14,180 wish you didn't have it. 217 00:09:14,263 --> 00:09:16,722 - The volunteers chopped and picked their way 218 00:09:16,806 --> 00:09:19,055 through overgrown vacant lots and buildings. 219 00:09:19,138 --> 00:09:22,514 - The feeling was so intense 220 00:09:22,597 --> 00:09:26,555 of wanting to help and to find these babies. 221 00:09:26,639 --> 00:09:28,555 - The only thing we found thus far was an old dead dog 222 00:09:28,639 --> 00:09:29,722 back over there. 223 00:09:29,806 --> 00:09:31,514 That's about it. 224 00:09:31,597 --> 00:09:33,138 Well, let's keep moving. 225 00:09:34,972 --> 00:09:38,180 - But not wanting to be the one who found them. 226 00:09:38,263 --> 00:09:40,722 - Just an hour and a half after the search began, 227 00:09:40,806 --> 00:09:42,722 a discovery in this wooded area. 228 00:09:42,806 --> 00:09:44,389 - We found a--we found a little girl's body 229 00:09:44,472 --> 00:09:45,847 about 12-- [indistinct radio chatter] 230 00:09:45,931 --> 00:09:48,389 - Okay. - She's about 12. 231 00:09:48,472 --> 00:09:50,097 What have they found? - We found a skull. 232 00:09:50,180 --> 00:09:51,263 - Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. 233 00:09:51,347 --> 00:09:53,764 - On that very first Saturday, we found a body. 234 00:09:53,847 --> 00:09:55,889 - The body was discovered by a group of college students 235 00:09:55,972 --> 00:09:57,222 and neighborhood residents, 236 00:09:57,305 --> 00:09:59,389 volunteers who began searching the neighborhoods 237 00:09:59,472 --> 00:10:00,806 where the children have disappeared. 238 00:10:00,889 --> 00:10:03,472 - The body was of seven-year-old LaTonya Wilson, 239 00:10:03,555 --> 00:10:04,931 missing since June. 240 00:10:05,013 --> 00:10:06,972 - She was kidnapped during the early morning. 241 00:10:07,055 --> 00:10:08,931 When her mother checked around 1:00 a.m., 242 00:10:09,013 --> 00:10:10,889 LaTonya was in bed with her sister 243 00:10:10,972 --> 00:10:12,597 safe and sound. 244 00:10:12,681 --> 00:10:14,472 Later that morning, she was gone. 245 00:10:14,555 --> 00:10:16,597 - The first little girl that was found 246 00:10:16,681 --> 00:10:18,764 was found directly across the street 247 00:10:18,847 --> 00:10:20,931 from our parents' home. 248 00:10:21,013 --> 00:10:24,972 The first thing my father said they found was a hair bow 249 00:10:25,055 --> 00:10:26,555 with hair in it, 250 00:10:26,639 --> 00:10:29,347 and that--that traumatized me for a long time. 251 00:10:29,430 --> 00:10:32,263 She was over in a gated area 252 00:10:32,347 --> 00:10:34,055 where my father kept his horses. 253 00:10:34,138 --> 00:10:35,597 Everybody was trying to figure out 254 00:10:35,681 --> 00:10:37,180 how did she even get over there? 255 00:10:37,263 --> 00:10:39,764 - The gate was locked, always. - And the gate was locked. 256 00:10:39,847 --> 00:10:41,514 - Police had searched this area 257 00:10:41,597 --> 00:10:42,972 soon after the girl was kidnapped. 258 00:10:43,055 --> 00:10:45,138 That search did not find anything. 259 00:10:45,222 --> 00:10:47,597 - All the way back over to the right, 260 00:10:47,681 --> 00:10:49,180 there was a wooded area right here. 261 00:10:49,263 --> 00:10:51,305 - We were probably-- - Back over in there. 262 00:10:51,389 --> 00:10:53,639 - Back over in there. There were so many people. 263 00:10:53,722 --> 00:10:55,639 The majority of them was upset, 264 00:10:55,722 --> 00:10:58,430 crying, and-- for an hour or two. 265 00:10:58,514 --> 00:11:00,597 - Was there any brushes on top of her or anything? 266 00:11:00,681 --> 00:11:02,013 - No. 267 00:11:02,097 --> 00:11:06,514 I was upset and--because the police had been out here 268 00:11:06,597 --> 00:11:07,639 the day before. 269 00:11:07,722 --> 00:11:08,764 - Now that was all-- 270 00:11:08,847 --> 00:11:10,597 - From what they told us at the meeting 271 00:11:10,681 --> 00:11:13,639 at West Hunter, do not come out here 272 00:11:13,722 --> 00:11:16,013 because they had been out here that Friday 273 00:11:16,097 --> 00:11:18,263 and searched this area thoroughly. 274 00:11:18,347 --> 00:11:21,097 - The police said they had already been out here. 275 00:11:21,180 --> 00:11:25,514 - I said, "If you all searched this area thoroughly yesterday, 276 00:11:25,597 --> 00:11:28,222 "and then we found a body today, 277 00:11:28,305 --> 00:11:31,972 there's something that ain't right." 278 00:11:32,055 --> 00:11:35,722 ♪ ♪ 279 00:11:35,806 --> 00:11:39,180 - That was a real turning point for the administration 280 00:11:39,263 --> 00:11:40,555 'cause they're all the sudden like, 281 00:11:40,639 --> 00:11:43,889 "Oh, my God, these volunteers have found this body 282 00:11:43,972 --> 00:11:45,514 "blocks from her house 283 00:11:45,597 --> 00:11:47,138 in the field they said they'd searched." 284 00:11:47,222 --> 00:11:48,639 What do we do? 285 00:11:48,722 --> 00:11:53,681 So Maynard had a problem in Lee Brown and the police. 286 00:11:53,764 --> 00:11:57,514 Less than competence came up repeatedly. 287 00:11:57,597 --> 00:11:58,889 - We would like to thank you all 288 00:11:58,972 --> 00:12:00,681 for coming out this morning. 289 00:12:00,764 --> 00:12:02,138 - And it became from then on 290 00:12:02,222 --> 00:12:04,013 a logistical nightmare in planning. 291 00:12:04,097 --> 00:12:06,389 - All of the bus drivers are on their bus. 292 00:12:06,472 --> 00:12:08,555 [all speaking at once] 293 00:12:08,639 --> 00:12:10,722 - We never announced in advance 294 00:12:10,806 --> 00:12:12,722 what area we were going to to search 295 00:12:12,806 --> 00:12:14,555 because we didn't know who was responsible. 296 00:12:14,639 --> 00:12:16,847 We didn't know if the person responsible 297 00:12:16,931 --> 00:12:18,097 was a part of the search team. 298 00:12:18,180 --> 00:12:21,722 So it was a great deal of anxiety at that time. 299 00:12:21,806 --> 00:12:24,555 - Investigators are after any possible lead. 300 00:12:24,639 --> 00:12:26,889 They've been looking at television news tapes 301 00:12:26,972 --> 00:12:28,931 of the funerals and volunteer searches, 302 00:12:29,013 --> 00:12:30,806 hoping to find a suspect. 303 00:12:30,889 --> 00:12:34,430 - I recall seeing Wayne and his father on the search. 304 00:12:34,514 --> 00:12:37,222 They were a part of the search efforts. 305 00:12:37,305 --> 00:12:39,889 [tense music] 306 00:12:39,972 --> 00:12:41,555 ♪ ♪ 307 00:12:41,639 --> 00:12:43,889 - Wayne was the kind of guy who was always around. 308 00:12:43,972 --> 00:12:46,597 He was a silent film photographer. 309 00:12:46,681 --> 00:12:49,931 He would cover accidents, fires, 310 00:12:50,013 --> 00:12:52,097 murders, even, particularly at night. 311 00:12:52,180 --> 00:12:55,263 - Police officers knew him to be the man who showed up 312 00:12:55,347 --> 00:12:57,597 at their scene from midnight to 8:00 313 00:12:57,681 --> 00:13:01,597 and he was just part of the landscape. 314 00:13:01,681 --> 00:13:03,097 - I knew Wayne Williams because he had been 315 00:13:03,180 --> 00:13:06,931 a freelance photographer for our TV station. 316 00:13:07,013 --> 00:13:09,597 That's how he saw himself, as a crime reporter. 317 00:13:09,681 --> 00:13:12,097 - This film of a pre-dawn house fire was shot 318 00:13:12,180 --> 00:13:14,472 by Wayne Williams and aired on Action News 319 00:13:14,555 --> 00:13:16,263 in October of 1978. 320 00:13:16,347 --> 00:13:20,639 - At one point he wanted to be a radio broadcaster. 321 00:13:20,722 --> 00:13:22,889 He set up a little radio station 322 00:13:22,972 --> 00:13:24,764 in the basement of his home. 323 00:13:24,847 --> 00:13:27,972 It attracted the attention of Benjamin Hooks, 324 00:13:28,055 --> 00:13:29,639 the NAACP leader. 325 00:13:29,722 --> 00:13:32,639 ♪ ♪ 326 00:13:32,722 --> 00:13:35,347 - Who is this guy, Wayne Williams? 327 00:13:35,430 --> 00:13:36,972 He's smart, he is, uh-- 328 00:13:37,055 --> 00:13:39,972 he's, like, a nerd. He's geeky. 329 00:13:40,055 --> 00:13:41,305 - And here's where I really found out 330 00:13:41,389 --> 00:13:43,639 just how smart Wayne was. 331 00:13:43,722 --> 00:13:45,847 He didn't go out and hire all these technicians 332 00:13:45,931 --> 00:13:48,806 and engineers and electricians 333 00:13:48,889 --> 00:13:53,806 and everybody to--far as wiring up the radio station. 334 00:13:53,889 --> 00:13:56,639 He did the whole radio station his self. 335 00:13:56,722 --> 00:13:57,806 - Wayne calls me up. 336 00:13:57,889 --> 00:13:59,764 I'm at the headquarters of SCLC, 337 00:13:59,847 --> 00:14:02,472 and he tells me who he is, and he tells me 338 00:14:02,555 --> 00:14:06,305 he has a radio station, and I didn't believe him. 339 00:14:06,389 --> 00:14:09,514 He says, "I do have a radio station in my backyard." 340 00:14:09,597 --> 00:14:11,180 I said, "Okay. I'll maybe head over there." 341 00:14:11,263 --> 00:14:12,180 I go to the back door. 342 00:14:12,263 --> 00:14:13,847 Before I could ring the bell, 343 00:14:13,931 --> 00:14:17,514 he's coming out of the garage where the station is housed 344 00:14:17,597 --> 00:14:20,847 and he has this beautiful dog-- beautiful dog, beautiful dog. 345 00:14:20,931 --> 00:14:22,389 I guess it was a German Shepherd. 346 00:14:22,472 --> 00:14:24,972 I don't remember if it-- what it was, 347 00:14:25,055 --> 00:14:27,555 but it was a beautiful dog. 348 00:14:27,639 --> 00:14:29,222 And so we go into the radio station 349 00:14:29,305 --> 00:14:30,555 and sure enough, 350 00:14:30,639 --> 00:14:32,347 he's got all of the equipment lined up. 351 00:14:32,430 --> 00:14:34,847 So I sat there with him in awe. I was like, "Wow." 352 00:14:34,931 --> 00:14:37,847 He had lined up Julian Bond and Hosea Williams 353 00:14:37,931 --> 00:14:40,055 and Ralph David Abernathy and others to be on his show. 354 00:14:40,138 --> 00:14:41,555 I was just amazed. 355 00:14:41,639 --> 00:14:43,681 - We met Wayne through our father. 356 00:14:43,764 --> 00:14:45,555 Homer Williams and my father 357 00:14:45,639 --> 00:14:48,222 were more acquainted friends. - As friends. 358 00:14:48,305 --> 00:14:50,555 - We didn't hang out with him every day or any of that, 359 00:14:50,639 --> 00:14:54,055 but we knew him as coming to our home to the basement 360 00:14:54,138 --> 00:14:56,555 to work on CB radios. 361 00:14:56,639 --> 00:14:58,889 Wayne was just interested in that 362 00:14:58,972 --> 00:15:01,180 and became more acquainted with my father, 363 00:15:01,263 --> 00:15:03,222 teaching him about the CB radios. 364 00:15:03,305 --> 00:15:07,722 CB radios was a technology then just like we do FaceTime now. 365 00:15:07,806 --> 00:15:10,597 You know, we can see each other and talk, 366 00:15:10,681 --> 00:15:11,889 you know, back and forth, 367 00:15:11,972 --> 00:15:15,055 but then you could talk back and forth on the radio. 368 00:15:15,138 --> 00:15:16,847 He was there with his father to learn about the radios. 369 00:15:16,931 --> 00:15:18,180 Wayne didn't want to play. 370 00:15:18,263 --> 00:15:20,222 Wayne wanted to learn about the radios and stuff 371 00:15:20,305 --> 00:15:21,347 so you know what I'm saying? 372 00:15:21,430 --> 00:15:23,889 He wasn't really into children's games 373 00:15:23,972 --> 00:15:25,555 or anything like that. 374 00:15:25,639 --> 00:15:29,931 I just thought that he was just pursuing his career. 375 00:15:30,013 --> 00:15:32,097 - The murders of Atlanta black children 376 00:15:32,180 --> 00:15:34,764 have so aroused residents there that one group 377 00:15:34,847 --> 00:15:37,097 has formed its own self-defense patrol. 378 00:15:37,180 --> 00:15:39,263 - They displayed the weapons they would carry. 379 00:15:39,347 --> 00:15:43,305 These included baseball bats, four pistols, 380 00:15:43,389 --> 00:15:44,597 and a rifle. 381 00:15:44,681 --> 00:15:45,931 - There were a lot of men and women 382 00:15:46,013 --> 00:15:47,722 in the black community who were armed 383 00:15:47,806 --> 00:15:49,722 and patrolling the black community 384 00:15:49,806 --> 00:15:51,097 outside of the police work. 385 00:15:51,180 --> 00:15:52,931 - The task force that they have 386 00:15:53,013 --> 00:15:54,430 is not doing their job, 387 00:15:54,514 --> 00:15:56,931 so we decided as a community 388 00:15:57,013 --> 00:16:00,430 to do our protecting our own children. 389 00:16:00,514 --> 00:16:04,263 - They were on patrol, protecting their communities, 390 00:16:04,347 --> 00:16:05,472 and when it got to that point, 391 00:16:05,555 --> 00:16:07,597 it probably was not a good thing. 392 00:16:07,681 --> 00:16:09,138 They were like vigilantes. 393 00:16:09,222 --> 00:16:11,263 - Police in Atlanta have another problem 394 00:16:11,347 --> 00:16:12,430 to deal with now: 395 00:16:12,514 --> 00:16:14,639 armed vigilantes who have their own ideas 396 00:16:14,722 --> 00:16:16,931 about how to protect the city's black children. 397 00:16:17,013 --> 00:16:19,097 - The media referred to them as vigilantes, 398 00:16:19,180 --> 00:16:20,347 but they weren't in fact. 399 00:16:20,430 --> 00:16:23,597 It was black men stepping up to protect their children, 400 00:16:23,681 --> 00:16:26,472 and that is never the way it is portrayed. 401 00:16:26,555 --> 00:16:27,722 - With residents carrying 402 00:16:27,806 --> 00:16:29,972 painted baseball bats and guns, 403 00:16:30,055 --> 00:16:31,972 the so-called bat patrols continued 404 00:16:32,055 --> 00:16:33,639 at Techwood Homes today. 405 00:16:33,722 --> 00:16:36,847 - Residents, mostly men, would stop anybody coming 406 00:16:36,931 --> 00:16:39,472 in their community, whether it was the delivery man 407 00:16:39,555 --> 00:16:41,972 or the milkman or whoever, wanting to know 408 00:16:42,055 --> 00:16:45,305 what was their reason for being in their community. 409 00:16:45,389 --> 00:16:48,263 - They would stop you. It's like a TSA checkpoint. 410 00:16:48,347 --> 00:16:50,180 They would want to see who was in the car, 411 00:16:50,263 --> 00:16:52,180 and, boy, they were mean and ornery 412 00:16:52,263 --> 00:16:53,764 and they were swinging and winging, 413 00:16:53,847 --> 00:16:55,555 and those were aluminum bats, I might add. 414 00:16:55,639 --> 00:16:56,847 They were not wooden bats, 415 00:16:56,931 --> 00:16:58,055 'cause I got hit with one of 'em. 416 00:16:58,138 --> 00:17:00,472 - The only thing that we intend to do 417 00:17:00,555 --> 00:17:01,889 is to get out on the streets 418 00:17:01,972 --> 00:17:03,722 and look out after our children. 419 00:17:03,806 --> 00:17:05,847 - His name is Chimurenga Jenga. 420 00:17:05,931 --> 00:17:08,222 He is 31 years old and has lived all his life 421 00:17:08,305 --> 00:17:10,681 in Atlanta except for the time he spent in Vietnam. 422 00:17:10,764 --> 00:17:12,847 - I met my husband Chimurenga Jenga 423 00:17:12,931 --> 00:17:14,222 when he was involved in the effort 424 00:17:14,305 --> 00:17:17,555 to desegregate Atlanta Junior College 425 00:17:17,639 --> 00:17:20,514 and we had a little newsletter and I was actually sent out 426 00:17:20,597 --> 00:17:23,430 to go interview him for the newsletter. 427 00:17:23,514 --> 00:17:26,514 Chimurenga was very, very smart. 428 00:17:26,597 --> 00:17:29,222 I think the most brilliant mind I've ever met. 429 00:17:29,305 --> 00:17:32,681 He started thinking about things from the big bang 430 00:17:32,764 --> 00:17:35,430 and moved on from there. 431 00:17:35,514 --> 00:17:39,180 But he grew up in segregated schools, 432 00:17:39,263 --> 00:17:40,597 which he actually said were much better 433 00:17:40,681 --> 00:17:43,889 than the desegregated versions that came after them 434 00:17:43,972 --> 00:17:47,931 and joined the Marine Corps in 1968, 435 00:17:48,013 --> 00:17:49,555 so he was in Vietnam. 436 00:17:49,639 --> 00:17:52,389 He came back to Atlanta in 1975 437 00:17:52,472 --> 00:17:54,722 expecting that lots of things would have changed 438 00:17:54,806 --> 00:17:56,055 for the better, 439 00:17:56,138 --> 00:17:57,722 and I think that it was his disappointment 440 00:17:57,806 --> 00:18:02,847 in seeing that his community was really worse off 441 00:18:02,931 --> 00:18:06,430 in many respects than it had been when he left in 1968. 442 00:18:06,514 --> 00:18:08,097 That really politicized him. 443 00:18:08,180 --> 00:18:10,430 - The arming of Techwood is turning into a battle 444 00:18:10,514 --> 00:18:12,722 between the residents and the police. 445 00:18:12,806 --> 00:18:14,931 - What's he charged with? 446 00:18:15,013 --> 00:18:18,681 - I'm not going, man. I am not going! 447 00:18:18,764 --> 00:18:20,263 - One of the two arrested 448 00:18:20,347 --> 00:18:22,764 was spokesman Chimurenga Jenga. 449 00:18:22,847 --> 00:18:24,430 - Look at what you're doing, man. 450 00:18:24,514 --> 00:18:26,430 They are killing little children in the street! 451 00:18:26,514 --> 00:18:28,931 You're locking up--no, man. It's wrong! 452 00:18:29,013 --> 00:18:31,138 - The police were really afraid that somebody 453 00:18:31,222 --> 00:18:32,389 was gonna kill somebody. 454 00:18:33,681 --> 00:18:35,931 Of course there was also the implied criticism 455 00:18:36,013 --> 00:18:38,138 that our own police could not protect their children, 456 00:18:38,222 --> 00:18:39,597 so there was that tension. 457 00:18:39,681 --> 00:18:41,597 [dramatic rock music] 458 00:18:41,681 --> 00:18:45,806 - There was a great mistrust because of past experiences 459 00:18:45,889 --> 00:18:47,472 with the police department. 460 00:18:47,555 --> 00:18:49,514 ♪ ♪ 461 00:18:49,597 --> 00:18:51,472 - In the '40s, '50s, and '60s, 462 00:18:51,555 --> 00:18:52,597 there were a lot of Klansmen 463 00:18:52,681 --> 00:18:54,097 in the Atlanta Police Department. 464 00:18:54,180 --> 00:18:55,472 [laughs] 465 00:18:55,555 --> 00:18:56,764 So that gives you an idea 466 00:18:56,847 --> 00:18:59,263 of what black people had to deal with 467 00:18:59,347 --> 00:19:00,389 in terms of the police 468 00:19:00,472 --> 00:19:04,013 as a kind of an occupying army in a sense-- 469 00:19:04,097 --> 00:19:06,972 an occupying force in the black community. 470 00:19:07,055 --> 00:19:08,639 - You know, years ago, 471 00:19:08,722 --> 00:19:10,972 it hadn't been too long since the first black officers. 472 00:19:11,055 --> 00:19:13,138 They had to go to the Butler Street YMCA 473 00:19:13,222 --> 00:19:14,931 just to change clothes. 474 00:19:15,013 --> 00:19:19,097 Black officers could not arrest a white individual. 475 00:19:19,180 --> 00:19:22,931 - Just the idea that you could be a law enforcement officer 476 00:19:23,013 --> 00:19:25,806 and you see a white person committing a crime 477 00:19:25,889 --> 00:19:27,597 and you can't arrest them, 478 00:19:27,681 --> 00:19:30,305 you've got to call your white superior. 479 00:19:30,389 --> 00:19:32,764 From Reconstruction all the way up, 480 00:19:32,847 --> 00:19:35,472 Klan and law enforcement was one and the same. 481 00:19:35,555 --> 00:19:39,347 You would keep your Klan regalia in the trunk of the car 482 00:19:39,430 --> 00:19:41,972 just in case you had to go to a Klan meeting. 483 00:19:42,055 --> 00:19:43,847 ♪ ♪ 484 00:19:43,931 --> 00:19:46,347 - Even though we had our first black mayor 485 00:19:46,430 --> 00:19:49,180 who had taken on some great changes 486 00:19:49,263 --> 00:19:50,681 within the police department, 487 00:19:50,764 --> 00:19:53,722 we knew you wouldn't just change that culture overnight, 488 00:19:53,806 --> 00:19:56,806 but it was something that you had to weed out. 489 00:19:56,889 --> 00:19:59,347 - There were a lot of animosity 490 00:19:59,430 --> 00:20:01,180 toward the police at that time. 491 00:20:01,263 --> 00:20:05,013 The Black Panthers, Hosea Williams, 492 00:20:05,097 --> 00:20:07,305 almost every time something happened, 493 00:20:07,389 --> 00:20:10,180 there was hatred stirred up against the police. 494 00:20:10,263 --> 00:20:12,305 - There were never police there! 495 00:20:12,389 --> 00:20:15,097 - The police department was not well liked 496 00:20:15,180 --> 00:20:17,013 in the African American community. 497 00:20:17,097 --> 00:20:18,222 As a former mayor, 498 00:20:18,305 --> 00:20:20,514 some of that was probably accurate 499 00:20:20,597 --> 00:20:23,222 and some of it is probably exaggerated, 500 00:20:23,305 --> 00:20:26,180 but the fact of the matter is the African American community 501 00:20:26,263 --> 00:20:30,889 saw the police as enforcers. 502 00:20:30,972 --> 00:20:33,222 - Everybody was suspect of the police. 503 00:20:33,305 --> 00:20:35,389 Nobody thought they were doing enough. 504 00:20:35,472 --> 00:20:37,681 Many in the black community didn't think they cared enough, 505 00:20:37,764 --> 00:20:40,555 that they were not protecting young black lives. 506 00:20:40,639 --> 00:20:43,889 - We were finding that the city was taking the attitude 507 00:20:43,972 --> 00:20:45,681 of your kids are dead, and we don't care. 508 00:20:45,764 --> 00:20:47,430 I contend that the Atlanta Police Department 509 00:20:47,514 --> 00:20:50,013 couldn't catch a cold. 510 00:20:50,097 --> 00:20:51,889 - There was a lot of public pressure, 511 00:20:51,972 --> 00:20:54,889 so much so that the Reagan administration 512 00:20:54,972 --> 00:20:56,222 even had to respond. 513 00:20:56,305 --> 00:20:57,514 - Yes, ma'am. 514 00:20:57,597 --> 00:20:59,889 - Mr. President, what will you do to honor the request 515 00:20:59,972 --> 00:21:02,347 by federal officials--well, from Atlanta officials 516 00:21:02,430 --> 00:21:04,681 for you and the federal government 517 00:21:04,764 --> 00:21:08,055 to intercede in the Atlanta case 518 00:21:08,138 --> 00:21:10,430 of 17 missing black children? 519 00:21:10,514 --> 00:21:13,097 - For FBI, for example, on any other thing, 520 00:21:13,180 --> 00:21:15,639 there's been no evidence of crossing state lines 521 00:21:15,722 --> 00:21:18,889 or anything and-- yet we want to be helpful 522 00:21:18,972 --> 00:21:20,931 because that is a most tragic case. 523 00:21:21,013 --> 00:21:23,305 - Since the administration here was Democratic, 524 00:21:23,389 --> 00:21:26,097 and they have a Republican president saying, 525 00:21:26,180 --> 00:21:29,764 "We need to do something about this," 526 00:21:29,847 --> 00:21:32,305 was unusual. 527 00:21:32,389 --> 00:21:34,430 But it still didn't solve the case. 528 00:21:34,514 --> 00:21:36,764 - The FBI, which is required to have 529 00:21:36,847 --> 00:21:39,931 interstate jurisdiction, 530 00:21:40,013 --> 00:21:43,764 alleges it cannot find a peg to hang its hat on 531 00:21:43,847 --> 00:21:45,138 in Atlanta. 532 00:21:45,222 --> 00:21:47,138 - Maynard Jackson went up to the White House 533 00:21:47,222 --> 00:21:48,972 in Washington, and I'm paraphrasing, 534 00:21:49,055 --> 00:21:50,347 but he said, 535 00:21:50,430 --> 00:21:53,138 "The Lindbergh baby was a single white child. 536 00:21:53,222 --> 00:21:56,806 "I've got 14 murdered and missing black kids. 537 00:21:56,889 --> 00:22:00,263 I want every living FBI agent on the planet in Atlanta." 538 00:22:00,347 --> 00:22:03,347 And that's when the Bureau was ordered into the case. 539 00:22:03,430 --> 00:22:06,972 [dramatic music] 540 00:22:07,055 --> 00:22:09,472 - Nine-year-old Anthony Bernard Carter 541 00:22:09,555 --> 00:22:11,847 was found dead in this grassy stretch 542 00:22:11,931 --> 00:22:15,138 behind a building on Wells Street Southwest. 543 00:22:15,222 --> 00:22:19,389 - We were assigned two agents to each victim at that time, 544 00:22:19,472 --> 00:22:23,097 so I was initially assigned Anthony Carter. 545 00:22:23,180 --> 00:22:26,055 Anthony was a unique case. 546 00:22:26,138 --> 00:22:28,305 The first thing that grabbed my attention was 547 00:22:28,389 --> 00:22:31,263 is he and I had the same birthday, and so I went, "Wow. 548 00:22:31,347 --> 00:22:33,764 You know, he would have been 10 on August 31st." 549 00:22:35,514 --> 00:22:36,806 He raised himself. 550 00:22:36,889 --> 00:22:40,013 His mother, Vera, well, was a prostitute. 551 00:22:40,097 --> 00:22:41,889 ♪ ♪ 552 00:22:41,972 --> 00:22:44,055 I remember when we walked in after 553 00:22:44,138 --> 00:22:45,222 when we started our investigation, 554 00:22:45,305 --> 00:22:46,472 there was a mattress on the floor 555 00:22:46,555 --> 00:22:48,013 and that was basically it in the living room, 556 00:22:48,097 --> 00:22:49,097 and according to neighbors, 557 00:22:49,180 --> 00:22:50,347 Vera would get up, 558 00:22:50,430 --> 00:22:51,972 and she would start her business. 559 00:22:52,055 --> 00:22:53,681 She would go out into the streets 560 00:22:53,764 --> 00:22:55,013 but before she did, 561 00:22:55,097 --> 00:22:56,681 she most of the time would get Anthony 562 00:22:56,764 --> 00:22:58,889 a McDonald's meal and set him on the mattress, 563 00:22:58,972 --> 00:23:01,514 sometimes no electricity if she didn't pay it. 564 00:23:01,597 --> 00:23:04,389 So here we have a nine-year-old 565 00:23:04,472 --> 00:23:06,972 sitting on a mattress in the dark, 566 00:23:07,055 --> 00:23:09,514 eating a McDonald's, and his mother leaves. 567 00:23:09,597 --> 00:23:11,222 What do you expect the kid to do? 568 00:23:11,305 --> 00:23:13,097 He's gonna go outdoors. 569 00:23:13,180 --> 00:23:16,180 If you looked at Tony Carter's coroner's report, 570 00:23:16,263 --> 00:23:17,847 he was stabbed I think three times, 571 00:23:17,931 --> 00:23:19,555 once over the left shoulder blade 572 00:23:19,639 --> 00:23:23,055 and two times in the upper left chest. 573 00:23:23,138 --> 00:23:25,263 I was pretty convinced that Vera killed him. 574 00:23:25,347 --> 00:23:27,389 I was pretty convinced that she chased him down 575 00:23:27,472 --> 00:23:30,055 and stabbed him with a knife. 576 00:23:30,138 --> 00:23:33,889 She admitted to Dick Radcliff and I that she killed her son, 577 00:23:33,972 --> 00:23:36,889 but we never could get enough to prosecute her. 578 00:23:36,972 --> 00:23:38,681 She told us that. 579 00:23:38,764 --> 00:23:42,722 - Was she ever indicted for killing her child? 580 00:23:42,806 --> 00:23:45,180 Why? He has a confession, right? 581 00:23:45,263 --> 00:23:46,263 There's no way she confessed to it. 582 00:23:46,347 --> 00:23:47,722 If he says she confessed, 583 00:23:47,806 --> 00:23:49,013 let him show you the confession. 584 00:23:49,097 --> 00:23:50,764 There is nothing in the FBI files 585 00:23:50,847 --> 00:23:54,263 about Vera Carter confessing. 586 00:23:54,347 --> 00:23:57,097 - If you go back and look at the manner 587 00:23:57,180 --> 00:23:58,305 that she took care of him, 588 00:23:58,389 --> 00:24:00,597 the first people that you eliminate-- 589 00:24:00,681 --> 00:24:01,722 close family members, 590 00:24:01,806 --> 00:24:03,305 anybody that had immediate access. 591 00:24:03,389 --> 00:24:05,430 So when we started putting it all together, 592 00:24:05,514 --> 00:24:09,263 Vera looked--she had a knife, she had the motive, 593 00:24:09,347 --> 00:24:12,097 she wasn't running for mother of the year. 594 00:24:12,180 --> 00:24:14,931 He did get in her way quite a bit. 595 00:24:15,013 --> 00:24:16,138 - Last night, members 596 00:24:16,222 --> 00:24:17,722 of the Committee to Stop Children's Murders 597 00:24:17,806 --> 00:24:19,097 held a closed-door meeting 598 00:24:19,180 --> 00:24:22,764 to decide on a formal reaction to FBI allegations 599 00:24:22,847 --> 00:24:24,389 of some parents' responsibility 600 00:24:24,472 --> 00:24:25,639 in the murders. 601 00:24:25,722 --> 00:24:28,138 Today, victim Curtis Walker's mother told me 602 00:24:28,222 --> 00:24:29,764 such talk was nothing new. 603 00:24:29,847 --> 00:24:32,722 She says police repeatedly accused her 604 00:24:32,806 --> 00:24:34,138 of killing her son. 605 00:24:34,222 --> 00:24:36,305 - What they was trying to say that I had something 606 00:24:36,389 --> 00:24:38,305 to do with it, but I told them that was a damn lie, 607 00:24:38,389 --> 00:24:40,639 'cause I ain't killed my child, 608 00:24:40,722 --> 00:24:42,847 and they kept saying they gonna try to make me say 609 00:24:42,931 --> 00:24:46,138 that my child was a street kid or a hustler or a runaway 610 00:24:46,222 --> 00:24:47,597 and I told them to get the hell out of my house 611 00:24:47,681 --> 00:24:48,972 and don't come back. 612 00:24:49,055 --> 00:24:50,514 - Camille Bell, making the formal statement 613 00:24:50,597 --> 00:24:52,305 for her Committee to Stop Children's Murders, 614 00:24:52,389 --> 00:24:54,263 called the situation a circus 615 00:24:54,347 --> 00:24:56,806 and accused authorities of playing games. 616 00:24:56,889 --> 00:24:58,305 - Basically, though, the general feeling 617 00:24:58,389 --> 00:25:00,138 is if they think I killed my child, 618 00:25:00,222 --> 00:25:01,472 tell them to come get me. 619 00:25:01,555 --> 00:25:05,597 ♪ ♪ 620 00:25:05,681 --> 00:25:07,597 - The dogs were given shoes to sniff. 621 00:25:07,681 --> 00:25:09,972 A label identified one of the shoes as belonging 622 00:25:10,055 --> 00:25:11,305 to Earl Terrell. 623 00:25:11,389 --> 00:25:12,847 - Do you feel that there's a possibility 624 00:25:12,931 --> 00:25:15,097 you might find something today? 625 00:25:15,180 --> 00:25:16,847 - You know, I really hope we don't. 626 00:25:16,931 --> 00:25:18,389 - The dog men are also expected 627 00:25:18,472 --> 00:25:19,722 to meet with the task force tomorrow. 628 00:25:19,806 --> 00:25:21,847 They want to find out if their K-9s are needed 629 00:25:21,931 --> 00:25:24,347 to look for 16-year-old Patrick Rogers. 630 00:25:24,430 --> 00:25:26,681 Rogers has been missing since last Monday. 631 00:25:26,764 --> 00:25:28,681 - For some reason that day, I stayed home from school, 632 00:25:28,764 --> 00:25:30,097 so I was watching the news, 633 00:25:30,180 --> 00:25:31,722 and I'd watch the news every day. 634 00:25:31,806 --> 00:25:32,764 I was a seven-year-old, 635 00:25:32,847 --> 00:25:34,681 but I was a avid news-watcher, 636 00:25:34,764 --> 00:25:36,847 and, um, they'd made and announcement 637 00:25:36,931 --> 00:25:40,681 that they found the body in the Chattahoochee River. 638 00:25:40,764 --> 00:25:42,389 They kind of did, like, a flash like, 639 00:25:42,472 --> 00:25:43,681 "A body's been found," 640 00:25:43,764 --> 00:25:46,889 and then they went--I guess it was like a teaser. 641 00:25:46,972 --> 00:25:49,305 They wanted to keep you watching, you know? 642 00:25:49,389 --> 00:25:51,514 Then they went to commercial, and then the phone rang, 643 00:25:51,597 --> 00:25:53,013 and it was my mama. 644 00:25:53,097 --> 00:25:55,305 You know, she was like, "That's him." 645 00:25:55,389 --> 00:25:56,847 I'm like, "What are you talking about?" 646 00:25:56,972 --> 00:25:59,055 She's like, "That's gonna be Pat-Man." 647 00:25:59,138 --> 00:26:01,389 I don't know how she knew it but she knew it, 648 00:26:01,472 --> 00:26:03,055 and I remember watching it. 649 00:26:03,138 --> 00:26:04,889 I remember seeing them pulling him out of-- 650 00:26:04,972 --> 00:26:07,555 out of the river and, um, 651 00:26:07,639 --> 00:26:10,972 I think one of his--one of his feet kind of... 652 00:26:12,764 --> 00:26:15,013 Became exposed from under the-- the cover, you know? 653 00:26:15,097 --> 00:26:16,222 And I'm like, "Oh, no." 654 00:26:16,305 --> 00:26:18,722 I was watching it. I was like, "Wow." 655 00:26:18,806 --> 00:26:20,097 And I'm still like, "No, that can't be him." 656 00:26:20,180 --> 00:26:21,764 You know, 'cause he was a martial art expert, 657 00:26:21,847 --> 00:26:23,389 and they can't take him. 658 00:26:23,472 --> 00:26:25,430 Nobody could hurt this guy. 659 00:26:25,514 --> 00:26:27,514 I mean, I think later that night, 660 00:26:27,597 --> 00:26:29,722 that's when they came. They came. 661 00:26:29,806 --> 00:26:31,889 They knocked on the door, and it was that knock-- 662 00:26:31,972 --> 00:26:34,389 it was that knock that you dreaded, you know? 663 00:26:34,472 --> 00:26:38,180 And so that's when we had become part of a club 664 00:26:38,263 --> 00:26:40,514 that no one wants to be a part of. 665 00:26:43,013 --> 00:26:45,055 - Patrick Rogers, who wrote music, 666 00:26:45,138 --> 00:26:47,931 sang, and appeared in several local talent shows. 667 00:26:48,013 --> 00:26:50,430 Neighbors are telling police Rogers had met a man 668 00:26:50,514 --> 00:26:51,806 he called his manager 669 00:26:51,889 --> 00:26:53,639 and on the night Rogers disappeared, 670 00:26:53,722 --> 00:26:55,722 he was on his way to a recording studio 671 00:26:55,806 --> 00:26:57,055 to meet that man. 672 00:26:57,138 --> 00:26:59,555 Rogers never told neighbors the man's name. 673 00:26:59,639 --> 00:27:01,931 - I think this was just somebody 674 00:27:02,013 --> 00:27:03,806 that he hadn't too long ago met. 675 00:27:03,889 --> 00:27:05,305 - Back then, all the neighborhoods 676 00:27:05,389 --> 00:27:06,972 would have talent shows. 677 00:27:07,055 --> 00:27:09,263 Like, this neighborhood would challenge this neighborhood, 678 00:27:09,347 --> 00:27:10,597 vice versa. 679 00:27:10,681 --> 00:27:14,597 - ♪ She likes the boys in the band ♪ 680 00:27:14,681 --> 00:27:17,097 ♪ She says that I'm her all-time favorite ♪ 681 00:27:17,180 --> 00:27:19,389 [dramatic rock music] 682 00:27:19,472 --> 00:27:22,305 - Pat-Man loved to sing. He loved to perform. 683 00:27:22,389 --> 00:27:25,013 So he would go all around the city to compete 684 00:27:25,097 --> 00:27:26,639 in all the talent shows. 685 00:27:26,722 --> 00:27:28,138 Anywhere there was this talent show, 686 00:27:28,222 --> 00:27:29,931 anywhere there was a showcase, he was there. 687 00:27:30,013 --> 00:27:33,013 ♪ ♪ 688 00:27:33,097 --> 00:27:34,472 I learned later on that the guy 689 00:27:34,555 --> 00:27:36,180 who I knew was Wayne Williams 690 00:27:36,263 --> 00:27:39,180 was actually putting on some of the shows. 691 00:27:39,263 --> 00:27:42,472 - I mean, he allegedly went around to kids saying, 692 00:27:42,555 --> 00:27:45,180 "I can make you the next Michael Jackson," 693 00:27:45,263 --> 00:27:49,305 and claimed to be a record producer, a music producer. 694 00:27:49,389 --> 00:27:51,305 - His fliers that he put out 695 00:27:51,389 --> 00:27:53,013 indicated he was a talent scout 696 00:27:53,097 --> 00:27:56,013 and if you have any ability, call me. 697 00:27:56,097 --> 00:27:58,764 ♪ ♪ 698 00:27:58,847 --> 00:28:02,806 He had the perfect bait to gain the confidence 699 00:28:02,889 --> 00:28:05,555 of young people, and I might add mostly boys. 700 00:28:05,639 --> 00:28:08,013 I'm not talking about girls. 701 00:28:08,097 --> 00:28:09,681 - He said he owned a radio station. 702 00:28:09,764 --> 00:28:11,889 He said, "These are transmitters right here." 703 00:28:11,972 --> 00:28:14,180 He had even, like, a mic and the little, um-- 704 00:28:14,263 --> 00:28:15,681 you know, the cover. 705 00:28:15,764 --> 00:28:17,722 I just knew that I wanted to sing 706 00:28:17,806 --> 00:28:20,681 and I knew that this guy was providing a space 707 00:28:20,764 --> 00:28:22,055 for us to do it. 708 00:28:23,263 --> 00:28:24,806 Me and my brother Chris, actually, 709 00:28:24,889 --> 00:28:29,972 we both ended up auditioning for Wayne's group--Gemini. 710 00:28:30,055 --> 00:28:32,555 He was a Gemini and so, you know, 711 00:28:32,639 --> 00:28:34,347 the idea of the group I think just came out 712 00:28:34,430 --> 00:28:35,514 of his zodiac sign. 713 00:28:35,597 --> 00:28:37,639 You know, "I'm a Gemini." 714 00:28:37,722 --> 00:28:39,847 ♪ ♪ 715 00:28:39,931 --> 00:28:43,222 - Wayne, he felt fun. He was, like, light. 716 00:28:43,305 --> 00:28:45,722 You know, he felt like a big brother. 717 00:28:45,806 --> 00:28:47,931 His jokes were kind of corny. 718 00:28:48,013 --> 00:28:49,347 You know, he was trying-- 719 00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:51,555 I feel like he would sometimes try to be cool, 720 00:28:51,639 --> 00:28:53,430 and he really wasn't cool. 721 00:28:53,514 --> 00:28:55,347 ♪ ♪ 722 00:28:55,430 --> 00:28:59,514 Never felt unsafe around Wayne. Not at all. 723 00:28:59,597 --> 00:29:00,722 My mom's like a hawk. 724 00:29:00,806 --> 00:29:01,889 She doesn't play, 725 00:29:01,972 --> 00:29:05,889 so she thought he was a legit manager. 726 00:29:05,972 --> 00:29:07,806 I mean, his reputation-- this guy was like-- 727 00:29:07,889 --> 00:29:09,013 he was known as, like, a genius, 728 00:29:09,097 --> 00:29:10,389 as being someone really smart. 729 00:29:10,472 --> 00:29:11,555 And she knew his parents. 730 00:29:11,639 --> 00:29:14,138 I think that's what made her feel kind of safe. 731 00:29:15,889 --> 00:29:20,681 His goal was to make us a family type group. 732 00:29:20,764 --> 00:29:22,889 And the song that sticks out to me 733 00:29:22,972 --> 00:29:24,889 that I remember laying the lead vocal for 734 00:29:24,972 --> 00:29:26,639 was a song called "The Games We Play." 735 00:29:26,722 --> 00:29:28,764 It went something like, um-- 736 00:29:28,847 --> 00:29:32,597 ♪ The games we play ♪ 737 00:29:32,681 --> 00:29:36,263 ♪ Here to stay every day ♪ 738 00:29:36,347 --> 00:29:39,555 ♪ The games we play ♪ 739 00:29:39,639 --> 00:29:43,263 ♪ Don't go my way ♪ 740 00:29:43,347 --> 00:29:47,931 ♪ Don't come my way, yeah, yeah, yeah ♪ 741 00:29:48,013 --> 00:29:49,305 That's what I remember. 742 00:29:49,389 --> 00:29:54,305 - It had to be somebody that the kids knew and trusted. 743 00:29:54,389 --> 00:29:58,097 He was gonna make them stars like the Jackson Five. 744 00:29:58,180 --> 00:30:03,055 We had this connection between all of these victims. 745 00:30:03,138 --> 00:30:04,472 He was the connection. 746 00:30:04,555 --> 00:30:06,305 - With my theory, the person 747 00:30:06,389 --> 00:30:09,180 is not abducted, not kidnapped, 748 00:30:09,263 --> 00:30:12,138 not snatched off the street at that particular time 749 00:30:12,222 --> 00:30:15,097 but is willingly going with somebody for something 750 00:30:15,180 --> 00:30:17,305 at least at the instance they get in the car. 751 00:30:17,389 --> 00:30:18,806 - During the child murders, 752 00:30:18,889 --> 00:30:21,639 there was always speculation about who was doing this, 753 00:30:21,722 --> 00:30:25,138 but for us there was always concern about trying 754 00:30:25,222 --> 00:30:27,305 to make sure that the kids knew to be careful 755 00:30:27,389 --> 00:30:29,847 not just about the known suspects, right? 756 00:30:29,931 --> 00:30:33,514 You know not to go with the man who's offering you candy 757 00:30:33,597 --> 00:30:34,847 into the car. 758 00:30:34,931 --> 00:30:38,013 But we also had to say the sources of authority 759 00:30:38,097 --> 00:30:41,305 that normally we would tell you you should trust 760 00:30:41,389 --> 00:30:43,931 and believe in, you can't believe in them. 761 00:30:44,013 --> 00:30:47,305 Only trust the adults that you know personally. 762 00:30:47,389 --> 00:30:48,764 [tires squealing] 763 00:30:48,847 --> 00:30:50,305 - Hi, little boy. 764 00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:52,681 You want to go along with me? 765 00:30:52,764 --> 00:30:54,681 Yeah, you can. 766 00:30:54,764 --> 00:30:56,222 No, you can't. 767 00:30:56,305 --> 00:30:58,681 - You have probably heard that voice before. 768 00:30:58,764 --> 00:31:00,305 That is Bill Cosby. 769 00:31:00,389 --> 00:31:03,222 It is that special magic that Bill Cosby can work, 770 00:31:03,305 --> 00:31:04,889 his rapport with children, 771 00:31:04,972 --> 00:31:08,430 his way of putting things that has community leaders hoping 772 00:31:08,514 --> 00:31:10,347 the message will get across. 773 00:31:10,430 --> 00:31:13,180 - You just say, "Adios, kemosabe." 774 00:31:13,263 --> 00:31:16,347 - That message has never been as important as it is now. 775 00:31:16,430 --> 00:31:18,847 - You start having celebrities speak out. 776 00:31:18,931 --> 00:31:22,347 Muhammad Ali put a lot of money forward. 777 00:31:22,430 --> 00:31:24,097 It was a lot of heavyweight people trying 778 00:31:24,180 --> 00:31:26,472 to put their resources behind it. 779 00:31:26,555 --> 00:31:29,347 - 22-year-old Michael Jackson got a brief glimpse 780 00:31:29,430 --> 00:31:31,222 of his fans, but that was all it took. 781 00:31:31,305 --> 00:31:33,889 Mayor Jackson tried to calm the crowd 782 00:31:33,972 --> 00:31:37,138 but his bullhorn didn't work. 783 00:31:37,222 --> 00:31:39,597 - So now you have piles of money. 784 00:31:39,681 --> 00:31:41,597 They were offering this massive reward 785 00:31:41,681 --> 00:31:44,389 but nobody really knew anything, you know? 786 00:31:44,472 --> 00:31:46,889 - The Atlanta Police will say nothing about the progress 787 00:31:46,972 --> 00:31:48,347 of the investigation, 788 00:31:48,430 --> 00:31:50,847 but according to Don Laken, who works with them, 789 00:31:50,931 --> 00:31:53,764 the signs are that there is more than one child killer. 790 00:31:53,847 --> 00:31:57,722 - The first classification would be a religious, um, 791 00:31:57,806 --> 00:32:00,222 cult type of situation. 792 00:32:00,305 --> 00:32:02,430 The way certain bodies had been found 793 00:32:02,514 --> 00:32:04,389 is the way they would lay the body out. 794 00:32:04,472 --> 00:32:09,055 We also feel that there's a drug and porno group around 795 00:32:09,138 --> 00:32:11,889 who would take advantage of these children. 796 00:32:11,972 --> 00:32:14,722 We feel that there is a copycat killer, 797 00:32:14,806 --> 00:32:16,722 and then you have family-oriented 798 00:32:16,806 --> 00:32:18,555 killing of the child. 799 00:32:18,639 --> 00:32:20,597 - The suspicion started spreading, 800 00:32:20,681 --> 00:32:22,389 and that's when people were speculating 801 00:32:22,472 --> 00:32:24,263 that there's somebody stealing the children 802 00:32:24,347 --> 00:32:27,764 and taking their bodily fluids for interferon or something. 803 00:32:27,847 --> 00:32:29,931 - Now when you talk about $22 billion a pint 804 00:32:30,013 --> 00:32:33,430 for the best interferon, what is interferon made from? 805 00:32:33,514 --> 00:32:35,389 White cells, okay? 806 00:32:35,472 --> 00:32:37,972 What is the best way to get those white cells? 807 00:32:38,055 --> 00:32:40,931 It is to draw it out the head of the penis of little boys 808 00:32:41,013 --> 00:32:42,889 aged 5 to 17. 809 00:32:42,972 --> 00:32:46,180 - I mean, there were bizarre theories that people had. 810 00:32:46,263 --> 00:32:48,305 - Part of the underground conversation 811 00:32:48,389 --> 00:32:51,472 about these young people is they were castrated 812 00:32:51,555 --> 00:32:54,138 and that their, uh, male members were shoved 813 00:32:54,222 --> 00:32:57,138 into their mouths, so this just enraged people all the more. 814 00:32:57,222 --> 00:33:00,097 - The mothers talked about they just wanted to know 815 00:33:00,180 --> 00:33:02,555 what happened to their child's penis 816 00:33:02,639 --> 00:33:05,305 or what happened to their child's hands 817 00:33:05,389 --> 00:33:07,931 and stuff and just different parts of their organs 818 00:33:08,013 --> 00:33:09,263 was moved, you know? 819 00:33:09,347 --> 00:33:10,806 - There have been a lot of rumors about 820 00:33:10,889 --> 00:33:14,347 the genital organs in the children, uh, 821 00:33:14,430 --> 00:33:16,097 that have been found dead. 822 00:33:16,180 --> 00:33:18,305 Out of all the cases that I have personally done 823 00:33:18,389 --> 00:33:20,263 and have been personally associated with, 824 00:33:20,347 --> 00:33:23,180 the genital organs have been completely intact. 825 00:33:23,263 --> 00:33:24,681 - Some people would say, 826 00:33:24,764 --> 00:33:26,472 "You think the government was involved?" 827 00:33:26,555 --> 00:33:28,305 There's plenty of evidence for black people 828 00:33:28,389 --> 00:33:31,597 to believe that, so it's not like a wild conspiracy theory. 829 00:33:31,681 --> 00:33:33,472 For black people there's plenty of evidence. 830 00:33:33,555 --> 00:33:35,972 The Tuskegee experiment is an example. 831 00:33:36,055 --> 00:33:38,847 - The United States government injected syphilis 832 00:33:38,931 --> 00:33:44,347 into 400 black men under the false pretense 833 00:33:44,430 --> 00:33:46,847 they was giving them a cold shot. 834 00:33:46,931 --> 00:33:48,972 - This was in Tuskegee? - In Tuskegee, Alabama. 835 00:33:49,055 --> 00:33:51,472 Not only was it the United States government, 836 00:33:51,555 --> 00:33:52,847 but the Department of Health. 837 00:33:52,931 --> 00:33:55,847 - And so these ideas that people are dismissing, 838 00:33:55,931 --> 00:33:58,180 it's hard for the black community to dismiss. 839 00:33:58,263 --> 00:34:01,222 Why is this happening, then? 840 00:34:01,305 --> 00:34:03,639 Somebody give us an explanation that makes sense. 841 00:34:03,722 --> 00:34:05,347 ♪ ♪ 842 00:34:05,430 --> 00:34:07,222 And that explanation never came, 843 00:34:07,305 --> 00:34:08,972 and nobody's being held accountable. 844 00:34:09,055 --> 00:34:11,347 - All these theories are useful 845 00:34:11,430 --> 00:34:13,305 to the extent that they show 846 00:34:13,389 --> 00:34:16,013 something that James Baldwin talked about, 847 00:34:16,097 --> 00:34:20,722 and that is how fear works on people. 848 00:34:20,806 --> 00:34:24,722 When people are not given rational reasons 849 00:34:24,806 --> 00:34:26,097 to believe the truth, 850 00:34:26,180 --> 00:34:28,889 they will create conspiracy theories. 851 00:34:28,972 --> 00:34:30,889 - We had 1,000 theories. 852 00:34:30,972 --> 00:34:33,222 One of the things you have to do when you're conducting 853 00:34:33,305 --> 00:34:35,555 an investigation, you do a profile. 854 00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:37,430 What are we looking for here? 855 00:34:37,514 --> 00:34:41,389 Well, back then you could not go into a neighborhood 856 00:34:41,472 --> 00:34:44,222 and not be noticed if you were white. 857 00:34:44,305 --> 00:34:46,639 Roy Hazelwood, who was our profiler, 858 00:34:46,722 --> 00:34:49,180 who came down from Washington to help us, 859 00:34:49,263 --> 00:34:50,722 we drove him into a black neighborhood. 860 00:34:50,806 --> 00:34:52,555 First thing Roy said, "The killer's gotta be black." 861 00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:53,889 He can't go in this neighborhood 862 00:34:53,972 --> 00:34:55,514 without being noticed. 863 00:34:55,597 --> 00:34:57,222 So that's one of the things, 864 00:34:57,305 --> 00:35:01,555 and we didn't eliminate-- it's been put out, I know-- 865 00:35:01,639 --> 00:35:03,931 that, "Well, that was kind of narrow-minded of them 866 00:35:04,013 --> 00:35:05,764 for them to eliminate everyone else." 867 00:35:05,847 --> 00:35:07,055 No, it wasn't. 868 00:35:07,138 --> 00:35:10,764 Everyone was a suspect. Everyone. 869 00:35:10,847 --> 00:35:14,055 We didn't limit ourselves by gender or sex at all. 870 00:35:14,138 --> 00:35:15,222 Or race. 871 00:35:15,305 --> 00:35:17,097 - But you just said that you decided 872 00:35:17,180 --> 00:35:18,972 that it was a black person. 873 00:35:19,055 --> 00:35:22,263 - We didn't--it wasn't a-- it wasn't a decision that says, 874 00:35:22,347 --> 00:35:25,097 "This is--we're gonna eliminate all those 875 00:35:25,180 --> 00:35:26,639 and only concentrate on blacks." 876 00:35:26,722 --> 00:35:28,180 We're saying, you know, 877 00:35:28,263 --> 00:35:31,097 "In looking at the killer, it has to be a black person." 878 00:35:31,180 --> 00:35:32,764 And that--that's just a fact. 879 00:35:32,847 --> 00:35:35,931 It's not--we didn't limit our focus to only black people. 880 00:35:36,013 --> 00:35:37,722 Everybody and anybody was a suspect. 881 00:35:37,806 --> 00:35:39,931 - White men were in Atlanta neighborhoods 882 00:35:40,013 --> 00:35:41,681 back then for lots of reasons. 883 00:35:41,764 --> 00:35:43,639 They were the insurance salesmen, 884 00:35:43,722 --> 00:35:46,430 they were the utility workers, 885 00:35:46,514 --> 00:35:49,347 and let's not sugarcoat it. 886 00:35:49,430 --> 00:35:51,305 Drugs are being sold in the neighborhood. 887 00:35:51,389 --> 00:35:53,639 So white people knew to come to those neighborhoods 888 00:35:53,722 --> 00:35:56,347 to buy drugs. 889 00:35:56,430 --> 00:35:58,180 - Three black children are still missing. 890 00:35:58,263 --> 00:35:59,347 The last to disappear, 891 00:35:59,430 --> 00:36:01,514 14-year-old Lubie Geter, who vanished 892 00:36:01,597 --> 00:36:03,180 from a south Atlanta shopping center. 893 00:36:03,263 --> 00:36:06,639 - We broke for Christmas in December of 1980 894 00:36:06,722 --> 00:36:09,389 and the agents from out of town went home. 895 00:36:09,472 --> 00:36:11,013 Then we come back on January 5th. 896 00:36:11,097 --> 00:36:13,138 Lubie Geter goes missing. 897 00:36:13,222 --> 00:36:15,931 Four days later, the powers that be decided, 898 00:36:16,013 --> 00:36:18,472 "Maybe we ought to conduct a search 899 00:36:18,555 --> 00:36:22,972 "for the four missing kids at places used by local thugs 900 00:36:23,055 --> 00:36:25,889 to drop bodies." 901 00:36:25,972 --> 00:36:28,180 So on Friday, January 9th, 902 00:36:28,263 --> 00:36:30,055 I headed out to Redwine Road. 903 00:36:30,138 --> 00:36:31,889 I parked off to the side, 904 00:36:31,972 --> 00:36:33,263 and I started into the woods, 905 00:36:33,347 --> 00:36:35,639 and something caught my eye at 11:00. 906 00:36:35,722 --> 00:36:36,889 It looked like a milk jug. 907 00:36:36,972 --> 00:36:40,055 It was the color of a milk jug, and I walked over and I-- 908 00:36:40,138 --> 00:36:41,889 "Oh, my God. I have another body." 909 00:36:41,972 --> 00:36:46,347 So we found two that day. 910 00:36:46,430 --> 00:36:51,472 - We have found the skeletal remains of two human bodies 911 00:36:51,555 --> 00:36:56,180 that appear--I emphasize the word appear-- 912 00:36:56,263 --> 00:36:58,055 to be those of children. 913 00:36:58,138 --> 00:37:00,597 - They found two bodies next to each other--kids-- 914 00:37:00,681 --> 00:37:03,180 so that means somebody dumped them both 915 00:37:03,263 --> 00:37:04,514 and they went missing at different times 916 00:37:04,597 --> 00:37:05,681 from different locations, 917 00:37:05,764 --> 00:37:08,305 so that means somebody used that spot. 918 00:37:08,389 --> 00:37:09,931 It worked one time. He'll go again. 919 00:37:10,013 --> 00:37:11,889 - Two victims, same dumping ground. 920 00:37:11,972 --> 00:37:13,222 One killer. 921 00:37:13,305 --> 00:37:14,931 - The parents of each of the four children 922 00:37:15,013 --> 00:37:16,889 who have been missing for several months 923 00:37:16,972 --> 00:37:18,389 know that there's a good chance 924 00:37:18,472 --> 00:37:20,514 that their child has been found dead. 925 00:37:20,597 --> 00:37:22,597 - I'm trying not to worry, 926 00:37:22,681 --> 00:37:27,138 but every time I see someone on the news, I get upset, 927 00:37:27,222 --> 00:37:31,097 and I'm about to go to pieces, 928 00:37:31,180 --> 00:37:34,347 and I'm hoping that it's not Chris, 929 00:37:34,430 --> 00:37:38,222 because any time that you don't hear anything, 930 00:37:38,305 --> 00:37:40,389 you know, no news is good news. 931 00:37:40,472 --> 00:37:43,055 - She says she's close to the breaking point despite... 932 00:37:43,138 --> 00:37:46,305 - I missed him so much. 933 00:37:46,389 --> 00:37:48,389 He was a comic. 934 00:37:48,472 --> 00:37:50,555 Like a cracker jack in the family. 935 00:37:52,180 --> 00:37:56,263 We searched. Couldn't find nothing. 936 00:37:56,347 --> 00:37:58,597 Nothing of him. 937 00:37:58,681 --> 00:38:01,639 [organ music playing] 938 00:38:01,722 --> 00:38:04,389 - Now for Sirlena Cobb, the wait is over. 939 00:38:04,472 --> 00:38:07,055 The hope is gone. 940 00:38:07,138 --> 00:38:10,722 - It was weird, and it's still weird to me 941 00:38:10,806 --> 00:38:12,972 for him to be gone like that. 942 00:38:13,055 --> 00:38:15,764 ♪ ♪ 943 00:38:15,847 --> 00:38:17,430 I'm fixing to get ready to start crying. 944 00:38:17,514 --> 00:38:20,097 That's--that's just me. 945 00:38:20,180 --> 00:38:22,430 ♪ ♪ 946 00:38:22,514 --> 00:38:27,597 - As a reporter, I was sent to the family house 947 00:38:27,681 --> 00:38:31,972 after the body turned up, and I remember the pain 948 00:38:32,055 --> 00:38:34,514 and the grief etched on her face 949 00:38:34,597 --> 00:38:37,806 was just so-- [exhales sharply] 950 00:38:37,889 --> 00:38:40,972 It was--it was painful to sit with her and see, 951 00:38:41,055 --> 00:38:43,847 and then she said--we're sitting and we're not talking. 952 00:38:43,931 --> 00:38:45,138 We're not talking. 953 00:38:45,222 --> 00:38:46,639 We're just sitting around a table, the three of us, 954 00:38:46,722 --> 00:38:49,097 and she said, 955 00:38:49,180 --> 00:38:52,347 "I feel like somebody balled me up 956 00:38:52,430 --> 00:38:54,681 and threw me in the trash." 957 00:38:54,764 --> 00:38:58,138 - Ten-year-old Earl Terrell lived here on Browns Mill Road 958 00:38:58,222 --> 00:38:59,472 with his family. 959 00:38:59,555 --> 00:39:01,097 For them, months of waiting and wondering 960 00:39:01,180 --> 00:39:03,180 came to an end late yesterday afternoon. 961 00:39:03,263 --> 00:39:05,305 Earl's mother Beverly Belt told me today 962 00:39:05,389 --> 00:39:06,931 that she had little doubt at that time 963 00:39:07,013 --> 00:39:09,472 that the remains found were those of her son. 964 00:39:09,555 --> 00:39:12,347 - From what they showed me that I--I knew it was him. 965 00:39:12,430 --> 00:39:13,847 You know, there wasn't no doubt. 966 00:39:13,931 --> 00:39:15,889 When they came by and told me that 967 00:39:15,972 --> 00:39:17,472 it was a positive ID, 968 00:39:17,555 --> 00:39:20,514 I was, uh, all set for it. 969 00:39:20,597 --> 00:39:21,764 Um... 970 00:39:23,097 --> 00:39:24,180 It's a hurting feeling, 971 00:39:24,263 --> 00:39:27,639 but I've lived to accept it. 972 00:39:34,055 --> 00:39:35,222 - I can't walk these routes. 973 00:39:35,305 --> 00:39:37,514 I just--it's--it's baring. 974 00:39:37,597 --> 00:39:40,681 It's very, very, very baring for me to walk this area 975 00:39:40,764 --> 00:39:44,347 because I can see my brother still walking. 976 00:39:44,430 --> 00:39:45,931 And that's something, you know, 977 00:39:46,013 --> 00:39:48,472 I don't try to hide, but I'm very emotional, 978 00:39:48,555 --> 00:39:50,681 and I think that's where my depression come from, 979 00:39:50,764 --> 00:39:53,430 because it bothers me so much to know that, 980 00:39:53,514 --> 00:39:56,013 you know, who did it? 981 00:39:56,097 --> 00:39:59,597 You know, he went from big brother to no brother. 982 00:40:02,180 --> 00:40:05,097 - Every day they were finding kids, back to back. 983 00:40:05,180 --> 00:40:06,222 They all thought that, you know, 984 00:40:06,305 --> 00:40:08,389 the killings was just gonna stop, 985 00:40:08,472 --> 00:40:11,055 you know, and it just happened to those people 986 00:40:11,138 --> 00:40:13,389 and it, you know, wasn't gonna happen to, 987 00:40:13,472 --> 00:40:14,514 you know, this family. 988 00:40:14,597 --> 00:40:17,555 [dramatic music] 989 00:40:17,639 --> 00:40:19,764 - There's a body found. 990 00:40:19,847 --> 00:40:23,013 - Is it a black male? - Yes. 991 00:40:23,097 --> 00:40:24,097 [camera shutters clicking] 992 00:40:24,180 --> 00:40:25,097 - Is it one of the missing children? 993 00:40:25,180 --> 00:40:29,222 - They do hope for an ID tonight. 994 00:40:29,305 --> 00:40:31,722 - Never thought that one of those kids 995 00:40:31,806 --> 00:40:33,806 was gonna be my kid, you know? 996 00:40:33,889 --> 00:40:36,555 ♪ ♪ 997 00:40:36,639 --> 00:40:38,430 And it was just devastating. 998 00:40:38,514 --> 00:40:41,806 ♪ ♪ 999 00:40:41,889 --> 00:40:43,639 You know, I really wanted his casket 1000 00:40:43,722 --> 00:40:45,430 to be open the whole time 1001 00:40:45,514 --> 00:40:47,806 because I wanted the world to believe 1002 00:40:47,889 --> 00:40:51,597 that this could have happened to anybody's child. 1003 00:40:51,681 --> 00:40:55,430 ♪ ♪ 1004 00:40:55,514 --> 00:40:58,514 - So-called street kids have been most vulnerable. 1005 00:40:58,597 --> 00:41:00,806 Poor black children from one-parent homes 1006 00:41:00,889 --> 00:41:03,430 out on their own, hustling pocket money. 1007 00:41:03,514 --> 00:41:04,806 - Who were the victims? 1008 00:41:04,889 --> 00:41:08,639 Most of the victims were products of broken homes. 1009 00:41:08,722 --> 00:41:10,555 They were street kids. 1010 00:41:10,639 --> 00:41:11,722 - I don't agree with that. 1011 00:41:11,806 --> 00:41:14,972 I know Yusuf Bell wasn't. He was a smart kid. 1012 00:41:15,055 --> 00:41:16,972 And just because you were in the street-- 1013 00:41:17,055 --> 00:41:19,263 well, my son was in the street. 1014 00:41:19,347 --> 00:41:23,972 - The children who were being killed were primarily poor, 1015 00:41:24,055 --> 00:41:26,138 primarily black, 1016 00:41:26,222 --> 00:41:29,180 and no one gets terribly concerned. 1017 00:41:29,263 --> 00:41:30,972 - But, Mrs. Bell, 1018 00:41:31,055 --> 00:41:33,305 the police chief and police commissioner 1019 00:41:33,389 --> 00:41:35,138 of this city are black. 1020 00:41:35,222 --> 00:41:37,472 - That has nothing to do with poverty. 1021 00:41:37,555 --> 00:41:39,806 - The conversation that went on was, you know, 1022 00:41:39,889 --> 00:41:42,806 "These kids are bad kids." 1023 00:41:42,889 --> 00:41:45,972 They do drugs, they sell drugs, 1024 00:41:46,055 --> 00:41:48,764 they carry drugs for-- for grown-ups, 1025 00:41:48,847 --> 00:41:50,472 and then there's some that are involved 1026 00:41:50,555 --> 00:41:52,138 in prostitution as well. 1027 00:41:52,222 --> 00:41:54,097 These kids will do anything to survive 1028 00:41:54,180 --> 00:41:56,097 and to make a little money, 1029 00:41:56,180 --> 00:41:58,847 and that was sort of the envelope 1030 00:41:58,931 --> 00:42:00,806 for the story of the killings. 1031 00:42:00,889 --> 00:42:02,681 - My mom and dad. 1032 00:42:02,764 --> 00:42:04,347 - Try to stay a little closer to them, okay? 1033 00:42:04,430 --> 00:42:06,889 - Okay. 1034 00:42:06,972 --> 00:42:10,472 - The Omni is a complex of amusement arcades, 1035 00:42:10,555 --> 00:42:12,514 theaters, restaurants, shops 1036 00:42:12,597 --> 00:42:14,555 in the heart of Atlanta. 1037 00:42:14,639 --> 00:42:15,847 It's a meeting place 1038 00:42:15,931 --> 00:42:18,263 for the city's footloose young blacks, 1039 00:42:18,347 --> 00:42:19,681 a place which many of the missing 1040 00:42:19,764 --> 00:42:21,681 and murdered children used to visit. 1041 00:42:21,764 --> 00:42:24,055 - These victims were either picked up off the street 1042 00:42:24,138 --> 00:42:25,639 in predominantly black neighborhoods 1043 00:42:25,722 --> 00:42:27,806 or in areas frequented by black kids, 1044 00:42:27,889 --> 00:42:30,514 popular areas-- the Omni. 1045 00:42:30,597 --> 00:42:32,806 - It is known that Patrick Baltazar 1046 00:42:32,889 --> 00:42:34,681 did work here two months ago. 1047 00:42:34,764 --> 00:42:37,347 Now someone says they last saw Patrick around midnight 1048 00:42:37,430 --> 00:42:39,055 on Friday near the Omni. 1049 00:42:39,138 --> 00:42:41,055 His father says the boy liked to go there 1050 00:42:41,138 --> 00:42:42,889 and play the electronic games. 1051 00:42:42,972 --> 00:42:45,013 The family doesn't live far from the complex, 1052 00:42:45,097 --> 00:42:47,222 only a few blocks away on Foundry Street. 1053 00:42:47,305 --> 00:42:49,138 - In the Omni, there were offices, 1054 00:42:49,222 --> 00:42:50,389 there were stores, 1055 00:42:50,472 --> 00:42:52,931 and there were also game arcades, 1056 00:42:53,013 --> 00:42:56,555 and that attracted children coming in to play the games 1057 00:42:56,639 --> 00:43:01,222 and interacting with some bad, dangerous people. 1058 00:43:01,305 --> 00:43:04,180 - Today we confirm that two-- and as many as ten-- 1059 00:43:04,263 --> 00:43:07,681 of Atlanta's murdered boys have frequented this house 1060 00:43:07,764 --> 00:43:10,305 owned by 62-year-old Tom Terrell. 1061 00:43:10,389 --> 00:43:12,722 - There were pedophiles in an area 1062 00:43:12,806 --> 00:43:16,180 behind the old Omni, literally in the shadows 1063 00:43:16,263 --> 00:43:17,931 of downtown Atlanta. 1064 00:43:18,013 --> 00:43:22,764 Tom Terrell admitted to having sex with one of the victims, 1065 00:43:22,847 --> 00:43:23,931 Timothy Hill. 1066 00:43:24,013 --> 00:43:25,305 - On March 12th, 1067 00:43:25,389 --> 00:43:27,222 the day before he was reported missing, 1068 00:43:27,305 --> 00:43:30,222 Timothy Hill spent the night at Terrell's house. 1069 00:43:30,305 --> 00:43:31,430 - He was here on the 12th 'cause he was supposed 1070 00:43:31,514 --> 00:43:33,305 to come back on the-- on the 13th 1071 00:43:33,389 --> 00:43:35,055 and that was my birthday. 1072 00:43:35,138 --> 00:43:37,055 - But he didn't come back? - He ain't been back here. 1073 00:43:37,138 --> 00:43:38,472 If he did, I didn't see him. 1074 00:43:38,555 --> 00:43:40,389 - Baltazar, Timothy Hill, 1075 00:43:40,472 --> 00:43:42,138 Jo Jo Bell, all these kids 1076 00:43:42,222 --> 00:43:44,305 had definitely been to Tom Terrell's house. 1077 00:43:44,389 --> 00:43:47,430 - There were several known pedophiles 1078 00:43:47,514 --> 00:43:48,555 in the neighborhoods. 1079 00:43:48,639 --> 00:43:50,555 People knew who they were. 1080 00:43:50,639 --> 00:43:52,639 They called the police and talked about it. 1081 00:43:52,722 --> 00:43:54,764 - Task force investigators do not deny 1082 00:43:54,847 --> 00:43:57,263 they are working on the theory that some of the killings 1083 00:43:57,347 --> 00:43:58,555 are sexually motivated. 1084 00:43:58,639 --> 00:44:00,263 - Sex was a big part 1085 00:44:00,347 --> 00:44:02,639 of the Atlanta underground at the time. 1086 00:44:02,722 --> 00:44:05,138 The Peachtree Street corridor 1087 00:44:05,222 --> 00:44:09,305 was full of bathhouses and massage parlors. 1088 00:44:09,389 --> 00:44:12,514 I mean, sex was-- this was the '70s. 1089 00:44:12,597 --> 00:44:13,972 This was wild, 1090 00:44:14,055 --> 00:44:16,555 and Atlanta had a lot of it. 1091 00:44:16,639 --> 00:44:19,013 - Atlanta was considered somewhat of a mecca 1092 00:44:19,097 --> 00:44:21,347 of definitely pornography. 1093 00:44:21,430 --> 00:44:23,972 We had the porn kingpin Mike Thevis. 1094 00:44:24,055 --> 00:44:25,305 He had all these bookstores 1095 00:44:25,389 --> 00:44:27,138 and these little peep shops downtown. 1096 00:44:27,222 --> 00:44:29,347 - Mike Thevis had a reputation as being 1097 00:44:29,430 --> 00:44:31,639 an organized crime kingpin 1098 00:44:31,722 --> 00:44:34,222 and being a very successful moneymaker. 1099 00:44:34,305 --> 00:44:36,097 - He was called the Sultan of Smut. 1100 00:44:36,180 --> 00:44:38,430 He controlled probably 40% of the pornography 1101 00:44:38,514 --> 00:44:39,597 at that time in this country. 1102 00:44:39,681 --> 00:44:42,013 A lot of that business is child pornography. 1103 00:44:42,097 --> 00:44:43,639 - Three men arrested for operating 1104 00:44:43,722 --> 00:44:47,347 a sex for hire ring that may have existed for 17 years. 1105 00:44:47,430 --> 00:44:49,514 An East Point detective working on the murders 1106 00:44:49,597 --> 00:44:50,847 ran across the ring, 1107 00:44:50,931 --> 00:44:52,722 and the defendants are now in court. 1108 00:44:52,806 --> 00:44:55,013 It may have involved more than 100 boys. 1109 00:44:55,097 --> 00:44:56,931 - These pedophiles were actually taking 1110 00:44:57,013 --> 00:45:00,931 these photographs over to Michael Thevis' businesses 1111 00:45:01,013 --> 00:45:03,013 and selling them. 1112 00:45:03,097 --> 00:45:05,639 - It took the jury only an hour and five minutes 1113 00:45:05,722 --> 00:45:07,514 to decide that this paunchy, gray-haired, 1114 00:45:07,597 --> 00:45:09,972 unlikely-looking defendant was guilty. 1115 00:45:10,055 --> 00:45:11,972 - John David Wilcoxen was running a house 1116 00:45:12,055 --> 00:45:15,681 for child prostitution and child pornography. 1117 00:45:15,764 --> 00:45:19,305 - The police raided his house and they found volumes-- 1118 00:45:19,389 --> 00:45:22,389 boxes of pornography, magazines, 1119 00:45:22,472 --> 00:45:25,806 videos, et cetera, of children. 1120 00:45:25,889 --> 00:45:27,597 - Pedophiles were paying these kids 1121 00:45:27,681 --> 00:45:32,222 $5 for fellatio and then $10 for photographs. 1122 00:45:32,305 --> 00:45:33,889 Now, these three guys, between them, 1123 00:45:33,972 --> 00:45:38,847 they had tens of thousands of pictures of, again, nude kids. 1124 00:45:38,931 --> 00:45:40,222 - Defense attorney Catherine Lerow 1125 00:45:40,305 --> 00:45:41,931 said the children and their parents 1126 00:45:42,013 --> 00:45:43,472 should bear some of the guilt. 1127 00:45:43,555 --> 00:45:45,722 In her closing argument, she called the boys 1128 00:45:45,806 --> 00:45:47,764 nothing but male prostitutes. 1129 00:45:47,847 --> 00:45:50,555 - I definitely feel like there's no supervision 1130 00:45:50,639 --> 00:45:53,722 and I don't--just because my man has been convicted, 1131 00:45:53,806 --> 00:45:55,722 I don't think that's gonna stop these boys 1132 00:45:55,806 --> 00:45:56,889 in the least. 1133 00:45:56,972 --> 00:45:58,639 - Two of the victims had been known 1134 00:45:58,722 --> 00:46:00,847 to go into Wilcoxen's house 1135 00:46:00,931 --> 00:46:02,389 months before they were kidnapped 1136 00:46:02,472 --> 00:46:03,597 and eventually killed. 1137 00:46:03,681 --> 00:46:07,430 Lubie Geter and Earl Terrell. 1138 00:46:07,514 --> 00:46:10,222 - Whether it was happenstance or not, 1139 00:46:10,305 --> 00:46:13,972 there's no question that they were seen in this house 1140 00:46:14,055 --> 00:46:15,597 by witnesses. 1141 00:46:15,681 --> 00:46:18,681 ♪ ♪ 1142 00:46:18,764 --> 00:46:19,931 - This is what we used to do. 1143 00:46:20,013 --> 00:46:22,013 Walk through the park, walk the street way, 1144 00:46:22,097 --> 00:46:23,972 so we would come up this street here, 1145 00:46:24,055 --> 00:46:26,722 get to the stop sign, then make a right. 1146 00:46:26,806 --> 00:46:27,972 That was our route. 1147 00:46:28,055 --> 00:46:29,931 The only route that we used to make 1148 00:46:30,013 --> 00:46:33,097 was going through these houses here because it was shorter. 1149 00:46:33,180 --> 00:46:36,430 And here is a suspect right here 1150 00:46:36,514 --> 00:46:39,055 within the same direction that I know my brother walked. 1151 00:46:39,138 --> 00:46:41,597 We used to go to South Bend swimming pool 1152 00:46:41,681 --> 00:46:43,097 and walk around in the park. 1153 00:46:43,180 --> 00:46:45,055 We used to do all of that every day. 1154 00:46:45,138 --> 00:46:46,263 It wasn't a problem. 1155 00:46:46,347 --> 00:46:47,889 We didn't know what was going on. 1156 00:46:47,972 --> 00:46:49,806 - Nobody ever talked to your family, 1157 00:46:49,889 --> 00:46:51,806 your mom, about other suspects? 1158 00:46:51,889 --> 00:46:54,639 That never came up or maybe it was just not in your earshot 1159 00:46:54,722 --> 00:46:56,180 'cause you were too little? - Um, no. 1160 00:46:56,263 --> 00:46:58,430 Nobody never come to my mom and told my mom nothing 1161 00:46:58,514 --> 00:47:00,347 about nothing until they found my brother, 1162 00:47:00,430 --> 00:47:01,972 and that was the only conversation we ever had 1163 00:47:02,055 --> 00:47:03,305 with the Atlanta Police Department, 1164 00:47:03,389 --> 00:47:04,639 is that they found my brother. 1165 00:47:04,722 --> 00:47:06,430 "Well, we found your son." 1166 00:47:06,514 --> 00:47:09,138 And they showed us the graphic pictures of him being 1167 00:47:09,222 --> 00:47:13,514 in my swimming trunks, nothing but--I mean, bones. 1168 00:47:13,597 --> 00:47:16,722 ♪ ♪ 1169 00:47:16,806 --> 00:47:19,263 - The task force looked into the pedophiles 1170 00:47:19,347 --> 00:47:20,430 by interviewing them 1171 00:47:20,514 --> 00:47:22,138 and interviewing their neighbors. 1172 00:47:22,222 --> 00:47:24,764 They did extensive investigation. 1173 00:47:24,847 --> 00:47:27,972 They did fiber samples from some of those folks 1174 00:47:28,055 --> 00:47:31,430 in an attempt to link them to any of these crimes, 1175 00:47:31,514 --> 00:47:34,138 but they were just suspects. 1176 00:47:34,222 --> 00:47:37,389 There were hundreds of suspects. 1177 00:47:37,472 --> 00:47:40,347 - Mayor. - Yes. 1178 00:47:40,430 --> 00:47:41,722 - I think it's one of the hardest things 1179 00:47:41,806 --> 00:47:43,347 I had to do in my career 1180 00:47:43,430 --> 00:47:45,681 was the missing and murdered children's story, 1181 00:47:45,764 --> 00:47:50,389 because I could never see an end to it. 1182 00:47:50,472 --> 00:47:53,514 The bodies were adding up, 1183 00:47:53,597 --> 00:47:56,013 and we weren't getting any closer to finding out 1184 00:47:56,097 --> 00:47:59,806 who was doing it and why they were doing it. 1185 00:47:59,889 --> 00:48:02,514 - We have no idea who's perpetrating them, 1186 00:48:02,597 --> 00:48:04,347 and even if we did have an idea, 1187 00:48:04,430 --> 00:48:06,472 there would be no way to substantiate that at this time. 1188 00:48:06,555 --> 00:48:09,555 We're concerned about the children. 1189 00:48:09,639 --> 00:48:12,347 - Oh, Lord, the whole thing became-- 1190 00:48:12,430 --> 00:48:14,180 you know, all the elements of it. 1191 00:48:14,263 --> 00:48:16,055 There were so many angles to the story, so-- 1192 00:48:16,138 --> 00:48:19,055 and a dramatic story, and one that was building 1193 00:48:19,138 --> 00:48:21,472 and building, and everybody expected at some point 1194 00:48:21,555 --> 00:48:23,722 something was going to break. 1195 00:48:23,806 --> 00:48:25,555 - Often at night I'd go home and look for the answers 1196 00:48:25,639 --> 00:48:26,764 on my ceiling. 1197 00:48:26,847 --> 00:48:28,722 I'd stare up, I'd say, you know-- 1198 00:48:28,806 --> 00:48:29,972 couldn't figure it out. 1199 00:48:30,055 --> 00:48:32,389 Several of the guys were physically-- 1200 00:48:32,472 --> 00:48:35,889 became physically ill, and it-- it was different-- 1201 00:48:35,972 --> 00:48:38,013 we could all relate to it because many of us had kids 1202 00:48:38,097 --> 00:48:40,764 the age of the victims, so we-- it was personal for us, 1203 00:48:40,847 --> 00:48:43,514 and it was frustrating because as hard as we tried, 1204 00:48:43,597 --> 00:48:45,263 as long hours as we put in, 1205 00:48:45,347 --> 00:48:47,597 we simply could not figure it out. 1206 00:48:47,681 --> 00:48:52,055 - For me to understand what he was doing, 1207 00:48:52,138 --> 00:48:57,263 I had to convince myself that there was some reason for it 1208 00:48:57,347 --> 00:48:59,138 before I could start looking for somebody. 1209 00:48:59,222 --> 00:49:02,972 Why is he doing this? How is he doing this? 1210 00:49:03,055 --> 00:49:05,722 Okay, they're all children. 1211 00:49:05,806 --> 00:49:08,263 So he's a pedophile. 1212 00:49:08,347 --> 00:49:13,597 The bodies are all killed somewhere, 1213 00:49:13,681 --> 00:49:16,430 clothed, disclothed, 1214 00:49:16,514 --> 00:49:19,430 dressed again, dumped. 1215 00:49:19,514 --> 00:49:21,263 Why would he do that? 1216 00:49:21,347 --> 00:49:25,138 He would do that because he enjoys it. 1217 00:49:25,222 --> 00:49:27,931 That's why--that's how he gets off. 1218 00:49:28,013 --> 00:49:31,138 Taking the life and playing with them. 1219 00:49:31,222 --> 00:49:34,472 ♪ ♪ 1220 00:49:34,555 --> 00:49:37,472 Difficult, okay? 1221 00:49:37,555 --> 00:49:40,222 ♪ ♪ 1222 00:49:40,305 --> 00:49:44,180 He doesn't see the world the same way you do. 1223 00:49:44,263 --> 00:49:48,472 He sees the world exactly what he wants, 1224 00:49:48,555 --> 00:49:52,305 totally disregarding any other person's wants, 1225 00:49:52,389 --> 00:49:54,013 feelings, emotions, 1226 00:49:54,097 --> 00:49:56,138 value, 1227 00:49:56,222 --> 00:50:01,055 and I'm gonna do with you what I want to do with you. 1228 00:50:01,138 --> 00:50:05,972 Can you see the power that that gives 1229 00:50:06,055 --> 00:50:08,972 the perpetrator on something like this? 1230 00:50:09,055 --> 00:50:12,722 At any moment he knows he can go into the neighborhood 1231 00:50:12,806 --> 00:50:15,639 and pick up one of these kids 1232 00:50:15,722 --> 00:50:18,389 and do with him whatever he wants. 1233 00:50:20,097 --> 00:50:21,639 - If it's the will of this body, 1234 00:50:21,722 --> 00:50:24,847 would you all like to hear from Wayne Williams tonight? 1235 00:50:24,931 --> 00:50:26,389 All in favor say yea. 1236 00:50:26,472 --> 00:50:27,555 all: Yea. 1237 00:50:27,639 --> 00:50:29,889 - All opposed say no. 1238 00:50:31,430 --> 00:50:33,347 The yeas have it. 1239 00:50:33,430 --> 00:50:38,013 Well, I will say to you if it is offensive to you 1240 00:50:38,097 --> 00:50:40,305 that you can excuse yourself. 1241 00:50:40,389 --> 00:50:43,180 I do not want anything done here tonight 1242 00:50:43,263 --> 00:50:45,305 to be offensive to anybody. 1243 00:50:45,389 --> 00:50:48,222 Can we turn the volume up? 1244 00:50:48,305 --> 00:50:49,639 - Are we on? 1245 00:51:42,013 --> 00:51:45,639 - This is--of all of the people who are in this room. 1246 00:51:47,555 --> 00:51:50,597 Do you believe that Wayne Williams 1247 00:51:50,681 --> 00:51:56,806 had involvement in killing any or all 1248 00:51:56,889 --> 00:51:58,097 of these children? 1249 00:51:58,180 --> 00:52:00,764 all: No. - An adult--hold on. Hold on. 1250 00:52:00,847 --> 00:52:01,889 Raise your hand. 1251 00:52:01,972 --> 00:52:04,430 If you believe he did not have any involvement 1252 00:52:04,514 --> 00:52:07,097 at all in this, raise your hand. 1253 00:52:07,180 --> 00:52:09,055 Put your hand down. 1254 00:52:09,138 --> 00:52:11,430 If you don't know whether he did or not, 1255 00:52:11,514 --> 00:52:12,972 raise your hand. 1256 00:52:13,055 --> 00:52:14,847 ♪ ♪ 1257 00:52:14,931 --> 00:52:18,972 If you know with a surety that he did, 1258 00:52:19,055 --> 00:52:20,806 raise your hand. 1259 00:52:20,889 --> 00:52:22,806 ♪ ♪ 1260 00:52:22,889 --> 00:52:26,305 And therein, friends, lies our dilemma. 1261 00:52:26,389 --> 00:52:30,138 We don't know. We don't know. 1262 00:52:30,222 --> 00:52:34,472 And so it leaves a herculean task for the mayor, 1263 00:52:34,555 --> 00:52:38,639 for the DA, for these families, 1264 00:52:38,722 --> 00:52:42,305 and for all of us in this search for truth. 1265 00:52:42,389 --> 00:52:44,305 - Hello. How are you all? 1266 00:52:44,389 --> 00:52:46,639 - Mayor, how are you? - Good. 1267 00:52:46,722 --> 00:52:53,722 ♪ ♪ 1268 00:53:23,972 --> 00:53:25,972 [bright tone] 1269 00:53:27,806 --> 00:53:28,764 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 1270 00:53:28,847 --> 00:53:31,055 MAN: In 1981, the only thing people heard 1271 00:53:31,138 --> 00:53:33,639 about Atlanta was... children were dying. 1272 00:53:35,764 --> 00:53:37,681 WOMAN: The FBI, and everybody else, 1273 00:53:38,055 --> 00:53:41,013 was being embarrassed by the murders. 1274 00:53:41,097 --> 00:53:42,555 The radio squelch broke 1275 00:53:42,639 --> 00:53:44,305 and I heard something about a splash. 1276 00:53:44,389 --> 00:53:47,055 At that point, I knew I was a suspect. 1277 00:53:47,138 --> 00:53:48,931 We found the killer, that's it. 1278 00:53:49,639 --> 00:53:51,639 But that really wasn't it. 1279 00:53:55,347 --> 00:53:56,931 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 92747

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