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WOMAN: These young people
were murdered.
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Their cases were never solved.
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Somebody know something
other than Wayne Williams.
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♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYS) ♪
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This is a case of politics,
racism and murder.
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WOMAN 2:
A lot has changed in our world
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since there was a conviction
of Wayne Williams
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for two of these murders.
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This is a really ugly, dark
chapter, but we need to own it.
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Do the police work.
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If Wayne didn't kill
the children, then who did?
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[TV static drones]
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[bright tone]
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["Save Me"
by Joan Armatrading playing]
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♪ ♪
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- ♪ Sinking ♪
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♪ Caught up
in a whirling motion ♪
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♪ Such a strange sensation ♪
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♪ ♪
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♪ The currents uncertain ♪
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♪ Like sails of a mill,
I spin ♪
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♪ Like wheels,
I move in a circle ♪
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♪ While you stand ♪
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♪ On the bank ♪
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♪ Immune or evasive ♪
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♪ Throw me a lifeline ♪
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♪ Save me ♪
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♪ Save me ♪
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- If there are those who think
that by killing black children
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that they're gonna crush
the spirit
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of the black community,
they're mistaken.
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If they think that by
coming in to kill our children
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they're gonna divide us
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and make us turn
on each other,
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they're mistaken.
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We're not gonna turn
on each other.
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We're gonna turn
to each other,
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and out of the death
of these children
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will come a new determination
to shake off the shackles
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of poverty
and injustice everywhere.
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[dramatic music]
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♪ ♪
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- Okay, we got it covered up,
I think.
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[indistinct chatter]
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- I don't know.
- Hey, Michael.
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Are you here yet?
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- Put those on for now.
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- Hey, darling.
How you doing?
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Good.
- Okay.
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- All right, welcome back
to News & Talk 1380 WAOK,
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the voice of the community.
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We are broadcasting live
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from West Hunter Street
Baptist Church,
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and the United Youth
Adult Conference
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has opened up
this conversation.
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Did Wayne Williams
kill anyone?
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And maybe you were not
in Atlanta at the time.
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Some of us born
and raised here.
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I was born here,
so 40 years ago, I was 13,
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and in my own neighborhood,
one of my classmates--
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playmates that
was in my school,
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Perkerson Elementary School,
Charles Stephens was snatched
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and he was subsequently
killed,
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and he became a part
of the list.
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- Police say Charles Stephens
was asphyxiated then dumped.
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- So it was indeed a era
of terror.
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- Somebody somewhere
out there knows
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who's doing this
insane series of acts
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and attacks on our children.
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♪ ♪
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- Insanity is how Atlanta's
mayor has described it.
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In a little more than a year,
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eight Atlanta children
have been found strangled,
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bludgeoned,
or shot to death.
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Six others are missing.
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- When the task force
was formed
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to look into these cases,
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that was a year into
the killings,
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and of course
the first question was,
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what cases
are they looking into?
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And that's when the list
was created,
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which became
extremely controversial.
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- The list was intended
to give the parents
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of the victims the impression
that by putting the name
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of their child on the list,
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that warranted
a deeper commitment
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to solving the cases,
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but at the same time,
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there were these other
disappearances and murders
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of children which didn't
make the list.
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- You have to remember
even with the list
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that became known as the
Missing and Murdered Children,
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it took a while before people
realized there was a pattern,
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and so we're looking to see if
the list is an accurate list.
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We won't be surprised
if the list grows.
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The Atlanta Police Department
has already gone back
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to look back and forward
several years
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at all of the murders
of children in our city
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and the number is staggering.
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There were 158 murders
of children
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and 33 are still unsolved.
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So we don't know if there was
something else going on
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that we still
haven't pieced together.
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- It was 40 years ago
where we--
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unfortunately our young
brothers were snatched up,
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picked up.
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We don't know when,
don't know how.
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After 40 years we're still
searching for answers.
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If you would, I want you
to touch the hand
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of someone close and near.
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I know someone's saying,
"I didn't come for all that,"
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but this is the house
of prayer.
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all: Amen.
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- All right, now I'm asking you
to touch someone's hand
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because this may be the last
hand that you may touch.
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That's how fragile life is.
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Just like those young men
40 years ago.
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Left home,
never made it back.
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Never had a chance to tell
loved ones they love them
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'cause they thought that they
had all the time in the world.
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- To have to tell
your children to be careful
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because people are murdering
people your age
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is a horrific thing
to have to do.
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There was
a concerted effort
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for people to be
on street corners
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or pathways to school
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and community programs.
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People were kind of
teaching children
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how to keep safe,
travel in groups,
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and, you know,
go straight home, don't...
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- It was frightening because
I'd just had a son,
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Tyrone, Jr.,
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and I was worried
about my little boy.
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♪ ♪
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It was--you couldn't sleep.
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I mean, you go to work,
and you take your children
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to daycare,
you drop them off,
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and you wonder,
"When I go back,
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"is my child gonna be there?
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Can I afford to let
my child play in the yard?"
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I mean, it was--
it was painful.
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- I wouldn't let my daughter
sleep in a bedroom
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that had an unlocked window
until she was probably 10.
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I wouldn't let her on
the other side of the aisle
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in the grocery store.
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I would not let her
out of sight any time.
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- You should always know where
your children are going,
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what time they should arrive,
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and what time they'll
come back home.
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Other things
to remind them of:
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travel in pairs,
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know your address
and phone number,
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never accept rides
with anyone,
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don't accept money or gifts
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without
the parents' permission,
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don't open the doors
to strangers,
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and always know how
to dial...
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♪ ♪
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- For me, being
a seven-year-old at the time,
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I wouldn't necessarily say
I was street smart,
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but there were certain things
I knew.
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It had been instilled in us
never to go anywhere alone.
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I knew that, you know,
if I didn't know you,
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then there's no way
I'm going anywhere with you.
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You know?
As a matter of fact,
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I may just scream 'cause you're
a little bit too close to me.
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- Nobody here will be getting
into anybody's car.
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Is that correct?
- Yes.
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- I don't hear you, children.
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all: Yes.
- Okay.
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- When I think about it now,
it's still crazy.
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Your dinner conversation was,
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when you go to school
tomorrow,
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you make sure you all walk
to school together,
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you come home together,
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you go in the house,
you lock the door.
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I mean, it was like a monster
was out there creeping.
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- We want to ask all
of those individuals
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who are in the room tonight
who actually participated
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and were a part
of the search efforts
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if you would stand just
for a moment.
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Be recognized.
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I just want you to look around
at some of these heroes
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and sheroes...
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[applause]
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Who showed up every
Saturday morning,
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rain, sleet, or snow
for over a year.
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Thank you very much.
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Many of them are gone on
to glory now,
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but we thank them
for their contributions.
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- You know what police
are doing
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and you've seen meetings
like this one,
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but now these talk sessions
are turning into act sessions.
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450 people--
police, marshals,
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college students,
community volunteers--
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are expected to take part
in a search Saturday.
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- What we are fighting
here in this city
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involving these
very serious cases,
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vicious attacks
on our children,
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I think is more powerful than
we seem to understand.
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- Saturday morning,
Arthur Langford,
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who was the city councilman
at the time,
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said he was gonna have some
volunteers come search.
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We gonna find these kids--
these missing kids.
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- 16, 17...
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The first Saturday
for the search effort,
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we didn't know what to expect,
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but we had 600 people
who showed up
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with their boots
and their sticks
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ready to go out
and do something.
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- The volunteers gathered
at Clark College
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but did their search in the
Dixie Hills area of Atlanta.
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- Definitely don't touch
any bodies
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if you find anybody.
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- It's one of those memories
you have that you really
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wish you didn't have it.
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- The volunteers chopped
and picked their way
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through overgrown vacant lots
and buildings.
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- The feeling was so intense
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of wanting to help
and to find these babies.
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- The only thing we found
thus far was an old dead dog
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back over there.
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That's about it.
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Well, let's keep moving.
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- But not wanting to be
the one who found them.
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- Just an hour and a half
after the search began,
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a discovery
in this wooded area.
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- We found a--we found
a little girl's body
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about 12--
[indistinct radio chatter]
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- Okay.
- She's about 12.
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What have they found?
- We found a skull.
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- Wait a minute,
wait a minute, wait a minute.
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- On that very first Saturday,
we found a body.
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- The body was discovered
by a group of college students
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and neighborhood residents,
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volunteers who began searching
the neighborhoods
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where the children
have disappeared.
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- The body was of
seven-year-old LaTonya Wilson,
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missing since June.
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- She was kidnapped during
the early morning.
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When her mother checked
around 1:00 a.m.,
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LaTonya was in bed
with her sister
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safe and sound.
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Later that morning,
she was gone.
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- The first little girl
that was found
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was found directly
across the street
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from our parents' home.
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The first thing my father
said they found was a hair bow
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with hair in it,
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and that--that traumatized me
for a long time.
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She was over in a gated area
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where my father kept
his horses.
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Everybody was trying
to figure out
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how did she even
get over there?
255
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- The gate was locked, always.
- And the gate was locked.
256
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- Police had searched
this area
257
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soon after the girl
was kidnapped.
258
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That search did not
find anything.
259
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- All the way back over
to the right,
260
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there was a wooded area
right here.
261
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- We were probably--
- Back over in there.
262
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- Back over in there.
There were so many people.
263
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The majority of them was upset,
264
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crying, and--
for an hour or two.
265
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- Was there any brushes on top
of her or anything?
266
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- No.
267
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I was upset and--because
the police had been out here
268
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the day before.
269
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- Now that was all--
270
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- From what they told us
at the meeting
271
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at West Hunter,
do not come out here
272
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because they had been out here
that Friday
273
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and searched this area
thoroughly.
274
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- The police said they
had already been out here.
275
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- I said, "If you all searched
this area thoroughly yesterday,
276
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"and then we found a body
today,
277
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there's something
that ain't right."
278
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♪ ♪
279
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- That was a real turning
point for the administration
280
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'cause they're
all the sudden like,
281
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"Oh, my God, these volunteers
have found this body
282
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"blocks from her house
283
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in the field they said
they'd searched."
284
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What do we do?
285
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So Maynard had a problem
in Lee Brown and the police.
286
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Less than competence
came up repeatedly.
287
00:11:57,597 --> 00:11:58,889
- We would like
to thank you all
288
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for coming out
this morning.
289
00:12:00,764 --> 00:12:02,138
- And it became from then on
290
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a logistical nightmare
in planning.
291
00:12:04,097 --> 00:12:06,389
- All of the bus drivers
are on their bus.
292
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[all speaking at once]
293
00:12:08,639 --> 00:12:10,722
- We never announced
in advance
294
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what area we were going to
to search
295
00:12:12,806 --> 00:12:14,555
because we didn't know
who was responsible.
296
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We didn't know if
the person responsible
297
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was a part of the search team.
298
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So it was a great deal
of anxiety at that time.
299
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- Investigators are after
any possible lead.
300
00:12:24,639 --> 00:12:26,889
They've been looking
at television news tapes
301
00:12:26,972 --> 00:12:28,931
of the funerals
and volunteer searches,
302
00:12:29,013 --> 00:12:30,806
hoping to find a suspect.
303
00:12:30,889 --> 00:12:34,430
- I recall seeing Wayne
and his father on the search.
304
00:12:34,514 --> 00:12:37,222
They were a part
of the search efforts.
305
00:12:37,305 --> 00:12:39,889
[tense music]
306
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♪ ♪
307
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- Wayne was the kind of guy
who was always around.
308
00:12:43,972 --> 00:12:46,597
He was a silent film
photographer.
309
00:12:46,681 --> 00:12:49,931
He would cover accidents,
fires,
310
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murders, even,
particularly at night.
311
00:12:52,180 --> 00:12:55,263
- Police officers knew him
to be the man who showed up
312
00:12:55,347 --> 00:12:57,597
at their scene
from midnight to 8:00
313
00:12:57,681 --> 00:13:01,597
and he was just part
of the landscape.
314
00:13:01,681 --> 00:13:03,097
- I knew Wayne Williams
because he had been
315
00:13:03,180 --> 00:13:06,931
a freelance photographer
for our TV station.
316
00:13:07,013 --> 00:13:09,597
That's how he saw himself,
as a crime reporter.
317
00:13:09,681 --> 00:13:12,097
- This film of a pre-dawn
house fire was shot
318
00:13:12,180 --> 00:13:14,472
by Wayne Williams and aired
on Action News
319
00:13:14,555 --> 00:13:16,263
in October of 1978.
320
00:13:16,347 --> 00:13:20,639
- At one point he wanted
to be a radio broadcaster.
321
00:13:20,722 --> 00:13:22,889
He set up a little
radio station
322
00:13:22,972 --> 00:13:24,764
in the basement of his home.
323
00:13:24,847 --> 00:13:27,972
It attracted the attention
of Benjamin Hooks,
324
00:13:28,055 --> 00:13:29,639
the NAACP leader.
325
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♪ ♪
326
00:13:32,722 --> 00:13:35,347
- Who is this guy,
Wayne Williams?
327
00:13:35,430 --> 00:13:36,972
He's smart,
he is, uh--
328
00:13:37,055 --> 00:13:39,972
he's, like, a nerd.
He's geeky.
329
00:13:40,055 --> 00:13:41,305
- And here's where
I really found out
330
00:13:41,389 --> 00:13:43,639
just how smart Wayne was.
331
00:13:43,722 --> 00:13:45,847
He didn't go out and hire
all these technicians
332
00:13:45,931 --> 00:13:48,806
and engineers
and electricians
333
00:13:48,889 --> 00:13:53,806
and everybody to--far as
wiring up the radio station.
334
00:13:53,889 --> 00:13:56,639
He did the whole radio station
his self.
335
00:13:56,722 --> 00:13:57,806
- Wayne calls me up.
336
00:13:57,889 --> 00:13:59,764
I'm at the headquarters
of SCLC,
337
00:13:59,847 --> 00:14:02,472
and he tells me who he is,
and he tells me
338
00:14:02,555 --> 00:14:06,305
he has a radio station,
and I didn't believe him.
339
00:14:06,389 --> 00:14:09,514
He says, "I do have a radio
station in my backyard."
340
00:14:09,597 --> 00:14:11,180
I said, "Okay.
I'll maybe head over there."
341
00:14:11,263 --> 00:14:12,180
I go to the back door.
342
00:14:12,263 --> 00:14:13,847
Before I could ring the bell,
343
00:14:13,931 --> 00:14:17,514
he's coming out of the garage
where the station is housed
344
00:14:17,597 --> 00:14:20,847
and he has this beautiful dog--
beautiful dog, beautiful dog.
345
00:14:20,931 --> 00:14:22,389
I guess it was
a German Shepherd.
346
00:14:22,472 --> 00:14:24,972
I don't remember if it--
what it was,
347
00:14:25,055 --> 00:14:27,555
but it was a beautiful dog.
348
00:14:27,639 --> 00:14:29,222
And so we go into
the radio station
349
00:14:29,305 --> 00:14:30,555
and sure enough,
350
00:14:30,639 --> 00:14:32,347
he's got all of the equipment
lined up.
351
00:14:32,430 --> 00:14:34,847
So I sat there with him in awe.
I was like, "Wow."
352
00:14:34,931 --> 00:14:37,847
He had lined up Julian Bond
and Hosea Williams
353
00:14:37,931 --> 00:14:40,055
and Ralph David Abernathy
and others to be on his show.
354
00:14:40,138 --> 00:14:41,555
I was just amazed.
355
00:14:41,639 --> 00:14:43,681
- We met Wayne
through our father.
356
00:14:43,764 --> 00:14:45,555
Homer Williams
and my father
357
00:14:45,639 --> 00:14:48,222
were more acquainted friends.
- As friends.
358
00:14:48,305 --> 00:14:50,555
- We didn't hang out with him
every day or any of that,
359
00:14:50,639 --> 00:14:54,055
but we knew him as coming to
our home to the basement
360
00:14:54,138 --> 00:14:56,555
to work on CB radios.
361
00:14:56,639 --> 00:14:58,889
Wayne was just interested
in that
362
00:14:58,972 --> 00:15:01,180
and became more acquainted
with my father,
363
00:15:01,263 --> 00:15:03,222
teaching him
about the CB radios.
364
00:15:03,305 --> 00:15:07,722
CB radios was a technology then
just like we do FaceTime now.
365
00:15:07,806 --> 00:15:10,597
You know, we can see each other
and talk,
366
00:15:10,681 --> 00:15:11,889
you know,
back and forth,
367
00:15:11,972 --> 00:15:15,055
but then you could talk back
and forth on the radio.
368
00:15:15,138 --> 00:15:16,847
He was there with his father
to learn about the radios.
369
00:15:16,931 --> 00:15:18,180
Wayne didn't want to play.
370
00:15:18,263 --> 00:15:20,222
Wayne wanted to learn about
the radios and stuff
371
00:15:20,305 --> 00:15:21,347
so you know what I'm saying?
372
00:15:21,430 --> 00:15:23,889
He wasn't really into
children's games
373
00:15:23,972 --> 00:15:25,555
or anything like that.
374
00:15:25,639 --> 00:15:29,931
I just thought that he was just
pursuing his career.
375
00:15:30,013 --> 00:15:32,097
- The murders
of Atlanta black children
376
00:15:32,180 --> 00:15:34,764
have so aroused residents there
that one group
377
00:15:34,847 --> 00:15:37,097
has formed its own
self-defense patrol.
378
00:15:37,180 --> 00:15:39,263
- They displayed the weapons
they would carry.
379
00:15:39,347 --> 00:15:43,305
These included baseball bats,
four pistols,
380
00:15:43,389 --> 00:15:44,597
and a rifle.
381
00:15:44,681 --> 00:15:45,931
- There were a lot of men
and women
382
00:15:46,013 --> 00:15:47,722
in the black community
who were armed
383
00:15:47,806 --> 00:15:49,722
and patrolling
the black community
384
00:15:49,806 --> 00:15:51,097
outside of the police work.
385
00:15:51,180 --> 00:15:52,931
- The task force
that they have
386
00:15:53,013 --> 00:15:54,430
is not doing their job,
387
00:15:54,514 --> 00:15:56,931
so we decided as a community
388
00:15:57,013 --> 00:16:00,430
to do our protecting
our own children.
389
00:16:00,514 --> 00:16:04,263
- They were on patrol,
protecting their communities,
390
00:16:04,347 --> 00:16:05,472
and when it got to that point,
391
00:16:05,555 --> 00:16:07,597
it probably was not
a good thing.
392
00:16:07,681 --> 00:16:09,138
They were like vigilantes.
393
00:16:09,222 --> 00:16:11,263
- Police in Atlanta
have another problem
394
00:16:11,347 --> 00:16:12,430
to deal with now:
395
00:16:12,514 --> 00:16:14,639
armed vigilantes
who have their own ideas
396
00:16:14,722 --> 00:16:16,931
about how to protect
the city's black children.
397
00:16:17,013 --> 00:16:19,097
- The media referred to them
as vigilantes,
398
00:16:19,180 --> 00:16:20,347
but they weren't in fact.
399
00:16:20,430 --> 00:16:23,597
It was black men stepping up
to protect their children,
400
00:16:23,681 --> 00:16:26,472
and that is never the way
it is portrayed.
401
00:16:26,555 --> 00:16:27,722
- With residents carrying
402
00:16:27,806 --> 00:16:29,972
painted baseball bats
and guns,
403
00:16:30,055 --> 00:16:31,972
the so-called
bat patrols continued
404
00:16:32,055 --> 00:16:33,639
at Techwood Homes today.
405
00:16:33,722 --> 00:16:36,847
- Residents, mostly men,
would stop anybody coming
406
00:16:36,931 --> 00:16:39,472
in their community, whether
it was the delivery man
407
00:16:39,555 --> 00:16:41,972
or the milkman or whoever,
wanting to know
408
00:16:42,055 --> 00:16:45,305
what was their reason for being
in their community.
409
00:16:45,389 --> 00:16:48,263
- They would stop you.
It's like a TSA checkpoint.
410
00:16:48,347 --> 00:16:50,180
They would want to see
who was in the car,
411
00:16:50,263 --> 00:16:52,180
and, boy, they were mean
and ornery
412
00:16:52,263 --> 00:16:53,764
and they were swinging
and winging,
413
00:16:53,847 --> 00:16:55,555
and those were aluminum bats,
I might add.
414
00:16:55,639 --> 00:16:56,847
They were not wooden bats,
415
00:16:56,931 --> 00:16:58,055
'cause I got hit
with one of 'em.
416
00:16:58,138 --> 00:17:00,472
- The only thing
that we intend to do
417
00:17:00,555 --> 00:17:01,889
is to get out on the streets
418
00:17:01,972 --> 00:17:03,722
and look out after
our children.
419
00:17:03,806 --> 00:17:05,847
- His name
is Chimurenga Jenga.
420
00:17:05,931 --> 00:17:08,222
He is 31 years old
and has lived all his life
421
00:17:08,305 --> 00:17:10,681
in Atlanta except for the time
he spent in Vietnam.
422
00:17:10,764 --> 00:17:12,847
- I met my husband
Chimurenga Jenga
423
00:17:12,931 --> 00:17:14,222
when he was involved
in the effort
424
00:17:14,305 --> 00:17:17,555
to desegregate
Atlanta Junior College
425
00:17:17,639 --> 00:17:20,514
and we had a little newsletter
and I was actually sent out
426
00:17:20,597 --> 00:17:23,430
to go interview him
for the newsletter.
427
00:17:23,514 --> 00:17:26,514
Chimurenga was very,
very smart.
428
00:17:26,597 --> 00:17:29,222
I think the most brilliant
mind I've ever met.
429
00:17:29,305 --> 00:17:32,681
He started thinking
about things from the big bang
430
00:17:32,764 --> 00:17:35,430
and moved on from there.
431
00:17:35,514 --> 00:17:39,180
But he grew up
in segregated schools,
432
00:17:39,263 --> 00:17:40,597
which he actually said
were much better
433
00:17:40,681 --> 00:17:43,889
than the desegregated versions
that came after them
434
00:17:43,972 --> 00:17:47,931
and joined the Marine Corps
in 1968,
435
00:17:48,013 --> 00:17:49,555
so he was in Vietnam.
436
00:17:49,639 --> 00:17:52,389
He came back to Atlanta
in 1975
437
00:17:52,472 --> 00:17:54,722
expecting that lots of things
would have changed
438
00:17:54,806 --> 00:17:56,055
for the better,
439
00:17:56,138 --> 00:17:57,722
and I think that
it was his disappointment
440
00:17:57,806 --> 00:18:02,847
in seeing that his community
was really worse off
441
00:18:02,931 --> 00:18:06,430
in many respects than it had
been when he left in 1968.
442
00:18:06,514 --> 00:18:08,097
That really politicized him.
443
00:18:08,180 --> 00:18:10,430
- The arming of Techwood
is turning into a battle
444
00:18:10,514 --> 00:18:12,722
between the residents
and the police.
445
00:18:12,806 --> 00:18:14,931
- What's he charged with?
446
00:18:15,013 --> 00:18:18,681
- I'm not going, man.
I am not going!
447
00:18:18,764 --> 00:18:20,263
- One of the two arrested
448
00:18:20,347 --> 00:18:22,764
was spokesman
Chimurenga Jenga.
449
00:18:22,847 --> 00:18:24,430
- Look at what you're doing,
man.
450
00:18:24,514 --> 00:18:26,430
They are killing little
children in the street!
451
00:18:26,514 --> 00:18:28,931
You're locking up--no, man.
It's wrong!
452
00:18:29,013 --> 00:18:31,138
- The police were really afraid
that somebody
453
00:18:31,222 --> 00:18:32,389
was gonna kill somebody.
454
00:18:33,681 --> 00:18:35,931
Of course there was also
the implied criticism
455
00:18:36,013 --> 00:18:38,138
that our own police could not
protect their children,
456
00:18:38,222 --> 00:18:39,597
so there was that tension.
457
00:18:39,681 --> 00:18:41,597
[dramatic rock music]
458
00:18:41,681 --> 00:18:45,806
- There was a great mistrust
because of past experiences
459
00:18:45,889 --> 00:18:47,472
with the police department.
460
00:18:47,555 --> 00:18:49,514
♪ ♪
461
00:18:49,597 --> 00:18:51,472
- In the '40s, '50s, and '60s,
462
00:18:51,555 --> 00:18:52,597
there were a lot of Klansmen
463
00:18:52,681 --> 00:18:54,097
in the Atlanta Police
Department.
464
00:18:54,180 --> 00:18:55,472
[laughs]
465
00:18:55,555 --> 00:18:56,764
So that gives you an idea
466
00:18:56,847 --> 00:18:59,263
of what black people
had to deal with
467
00:18:59,347 --> 00:19:00,389
in terms of the police
468
00:19:00,472 --> 00:19:04,013
as a kind of an occupying army
in a sense--
469
00:19:04,097 --> 00:19:06,972
an occupying force
in the black community.
470
00:19:07,055 --> 00:19:08,639
- You know, years ago,
471
00:19:08,722 --> 00:19:10,972
it hadn't been too long since
the first black officers.
472
00:19:11,055 --> 00:19:13,138
They had to go
to the Butler Street YMCA
473
00:19:13,222 --> 00:19:14,931
just to change clothes.
474
00:19:15,013 --> 00:19:19,097
Black officers could not
arrest a white individual.
475
00:19:19,180 --> 00:19:22,931
- Just the idea that you could
be a law enforcement officer
476
00:19:23,013 --> 00:19:25,806
and you see a white person
committing a crime
477
00:19:25,889 --> 00:19:27,597
and you can't arrest them,
478
00:19:27,681 --> 00:19:30,305
you've got to call
your white superior.
479
00:19:30,389 --> 00:19:32,764
From Reconstruction
all the way up,
480
00:19:32,847 --> 00:19:35,472
Klan and law enforcement
was one and the same.
481
00:19:35,555 --> 00:19:39,347
You would keep your Klan
regalia in the trunk of the car
482
00:19:39,430 --> 00:19:41,972
just in case you had to go
to a Klan meeting.
483
00:19:42,055 --> 00:19:43,847
♪ ♪
484
00:19:43,931 --> 00:19:46,347
- Even though we had
our first black mayor
485
00:19:46,430 --> 00:19:49,180
who had taken on
some great changes
486
00:19:49,263 --> 00:19:50,681
within the police department,
487
00:19:50,764 --> 00:19:53,722
we knew you wouldn't just
change that culture overnight,
488
00:19:53,806 --> 00:19:56,806
but it was something
that you had to weed out.
489
00:19:56,889 --> 00:19:59,347
- There were a lot
of animosity
490
00:19:59,430 --> 00:20:01,180
toward the police
at that time.
491
00:20:01,263 --> 00:20:05,013
The Black Panthers,
Hosea Williams,
492
00:20:05,097 --> 00:20:07,305
almost every time
something happened,
493
00:20:07,389 --> 00:20:10,180
there was hatred stirred up
against the police.
494
00:20:10,263 --> 00:20:12,305
- There were never
police there!
495
00:20:12,389 --> 00:20:15,097
- The police department
was not well liked
496
00:20:15,180 --> 00:20:17,013
in the African American
community.
497
00:20:17,097 --> 00:20:18,222
As a former mayor,
498
00:20:18,305 --> 00:20:20,514
some of that
was probably accurate
499
00:20:20,597 --> 00:20:23,222
and some of it
is probably exaggerated,
500
00:20:23,305 --> 00:20:26,180
but the fact of the matter is
the African American community
501
00:20:26,263 --> 00:20:30,889
saw the police as enforcers.
502
00:20:30,972 --> 00:20:33,222
- Everybody was suspect
of the police.
503
00:20:33,305 --> 00:20:35,389
Nobody thought
they were doing enough.
504
00:20:35,472 --> 00:20:37,681
Many in the black community
didn't think they cared enough,
505
00:20:37,764 --> 00:20:40,555
that they were not protecting
young black lives.
506
00:20:40,639 --> 00:20:43,889
- We were finding that the city
was taking the attitude
507
00:20:43,972 --> 00:20:45,681
of your kids are dead,
and we don't care.
508
00:20:45,764 --> 00:20:47,430
I contend that the Atlanta
Police Department
509
00:20:47,514 --> 00:20:50,013
couldn't catch a cold.
510
00:20:50,097 --> 00:20:51,889
- There was a lot
of public pressure,
511
00:20:51,972 --> 00:20:54,889
so much so that
the Reagan administration
512
00:20:54,972 --> 00:20:56,222
even had to respond.
513
00:20:56,305 --> 00:20:57,514
- Yes, ma'am.
514
00:20:57,597 --> 00:20:59,889
- Mr. President, what will
you do to honor the request
515
00:20:59,972 --> 00:21:02,347
by federal officials--well,
from Atlanta officials
516
00:21:02,430 --> 00:21:04,681
for you
and the federal government
517
00:21:04,764 --> 00:21:08,055
to intercede
in the Atlanta case
518
00:21:08,138 --> 00:21:10,430
of 17 missing black children?
519
00:21:10,514 --> 00:21:13,097
- For FBI, for example,
on any other thing,
520
00:21:13,180 --> 00:21:15,639
there's been no evidence
of crossing state lines
521
00:21:15,722 --> 00:21:18,889
or anything and--
yet we want to be helpful
522
00:21:18,972 --> 00:21:20,931
because that is
a most tragic case.
523
00:21:21,013 --> 00:21:23,305
- Since the administration
here was Democratic,
524
00:21:23,389 --> 00:21:26,097
and they have a Republican
president saying,
525
00:21:26,180 --> 00:21:29,764
"We need to do something
about this,"
526
00:21:29,847 --> 00:21:32,305
was unusual.
527
00:21:32,389 --> 00:21:34,430
But it still didn't solve
the case.
528
00:21:34,514 --> 00:21:36,764
- The FBI,
which is required to have
529
00:21:36,847 --> 00:21:39,931
interstate jurisdiction,
530
00:21:40,013 --> 00:21:43,764
alleges it cannot find
a peg to hang its hat on
531
00:21:43,847 --> 00:21:45,138
in Atlanta.
532
00:21:45,222 --> 00:21:47,138
- Maynard Jackson went up
to the White House
533
00:21:47,222 --> 00:21:48,972
in Washington,
and I'm paraphrasing,
534
00:21:49,055 --> 00:21:50,347
but he said,
535
00:21:50,430 --> 00:21:53,138
"The Lindbergh baby
was a single white child.
536
00:21:53,222 --> 00:21:56,806
"I've got 14 murdered
and missing black kids.
537
00:21:56,889 --> 00:22:00,263
I want every living FBI agent
on the planet in Atlanta."
538
00:22:00,347 --> 00:22:03,347
And that's when the Bureau
was ordered into the case.
539
00:22:03,430 --> 00:22:06,972
[dramatic music]
540
00:22:07,055 --> 00:22:09,472
- Nine-year-old
Anthony Bernard Carter
541
00:22:09,555 --> 00:22:11,847
was found dead
in this grassy stretch
542
00:22:11,931 --> 00:22:15,138
behind a building
on Wells Street Southwest.
543
00:22:15,222 --> 00:22:19,389
- We were assigned two agents
to each victim at that time,
544
00:22:19,472 --> 00:22:23,097
so I was initially assigned
Anthony Carter.
545
00:22:23,180 --> 00:22:26,055
Anthony was a unique case.
546
00:22:26,138 --> 00:22:28,305
The first thing that grabbed
my attention was
547
00:22:28,389 --> 00:22:31,263
is he and I had the same
birthday, and so I went, "Wow.
548
00:22:31,347 --> 00:22:33,764
You know, he would have been 10
on August 31st."
549
00:22:35,514 --> 00:22:36,806
He raised himself.
550
00:22:36,889 --> 00:22:40,013
His mother, Vera,
well, was a prostitute.
551
00:22:40,097 --> 00:22:41,889
♪ ♪
552
00:22:41,972 --> 00:22:44,055
I remember
when we walked in after
553
00:22:44,138 --> 00:22:45,222
when we started
our investigation,
554
00:22:45,305 --> 00:22:46,472
there was a mattress
on the floor
555
00:22:46,555 --> 00:22:48,013
and that was basically it
in the living room,
556
00:22:48,097 --> 00:22:49,097
and according to neighbors,
557
00:22:49,180 --> 00:22:50,347
Vera would get up,
558
00:22:50,430 --> 00:22:51,972
and she would start
her business.
559
00:22:52,055 --> 00:22:53,681
She would go out
into the streets
560
00:22:53,764 --> 00:22:55,013
but before she did,
561
00:22:55,097 --> 00:22:56,681
she most of the time
would get Anthony
562
00:22:56,764 --> 00:22:58,889
a McDonald's meal
and set him on the mattress,
563
00:22:58,972 --> 00:23:01,514
sometimes no electricity
if she didn't pay it.
564
00:23:01,597 --> 00:23:04,389
So here we have
a nine-year-old
565
00:23:04,472 --> 00:23:06,972
sitting on a mattress
in the dark,
566
00:23:07,055 --> 00:23:09,514
eating a McDonald's,
and his mother leaves.
567
00:23:09,597 --> 00:23:11,222
What do you expect
the kid to do?
568
00:23:11,305 --> 00:23:13,097
He's gonna go outdoors.
569
00:23:13,180 --> 00:23:16,180
If you looked at Tony Carter's
coroner's report,
570
00:23:16,263 --> 00:23:17,847
he was stabbed
I think three times,
571
00:23:17,931 --> 00:23:19,555
once over
the left shoulder blade
572
00:23:19,639 --> 00:23:23,055
and two times
in the upper left chest.
573
00:23:23,138 --> 00:23:25,263
I was pretty convinced
that Vera killed him.
574
00:23:25,347 --> 00:23:27,389
I was pretty convinced
that she chased him down
575
00:23:27,472 --> 00:23:30,055
and stabbed him with a knife.
576
00:23:30,138 --> 00:23:33,889
She admitted to Dick Radcliff
and I that she killed her son,
577
00:23:33,972 --> 00:23:36,889
but we never could get enough
to prosecute her.
578
00:23:36,972 --> 00:23:38,681
She told us that.
579
00:23:38,764 --> 00:23:42,722
- Was she ever indicted
for killing her child?
580
00:23:42,806 --> 00:23:45,180
Why?
He has a confession, right?
581
00:23:45,263 --> 00:23:46,263
There's no way
she confessed to it.
582
00:23:46,347 --> 00:23:47,722
If he says she confessed,
583
00:23:47,806 --> 00:23:49,013
let him show you
the confession.
584
00:23:49,097 --> 00:23:50,764
There is nothing
in the FBI files
585
00:23:50,847 --> 00:23:54,263
about Vera Carter confessing.
586
00:23:54,347 --> 00:23:57,097
- If you go back
and look at the manner
587
00:23:57,180 --> 00:23:58,305
that she took care of him,
588
00:23:58,389 --> 00:24:00,597
the first people
that you eliminate--
589
00:24:00,681 --> 00:24:01,722
close family members,
590
00:24:01,806 --> 00:24:03,305
anybody that had
immediate access.
591
00:24:03,389 --> 00:24:05,430
So when we started
putting it all together,
592
00:24:05,514 --> 00:24:09,263
Vera looked--she had a knife,
she had the motive,
593
00:24:09,347 --> 00:24:12,097
she wasn't running
for mother of the year.
594
00:24:12,180 --> 00:24:14,931
He did get in her way
quite a bit.
595
00:24:15,013 --> 00:24:16,138
- Last night, members
596
00:24:16,222 --> 00:24:17,722
of the Committee
to Stop Children's Murders
597
00:24:17,806 --> 00:24:19,097
held a closed-door meeting
598
00:24:19,180 --> 00:24:22,764
to decide on a formal reaction
to FBI allegations
599
00:24:22,847 --> 00:24:24,389
of some parents'
responsibility
600
00:24:24,472 --> 00:24:25,639
in the murders.
601
00:24:25,722 --> 00:24:28,138
Today, victim Curtis Walker's
mother told me
602
00:24:28,222 --> 00:24:29,764
such talk was nothing new.
603
00:24:29,847 --> 00:24:32,722
She says police repeatedly
accused her
604
00:24:32,806 --> 00:24:34,138
of killing her son.
605
00:24:34,222 --> 00:24:36,305
- What they was trying
to say that I had something
606
00:24:36,389 --> 00:24:38,305
to do with it, but I told them
that was a damn lie,
607
00:24:38,389 --> 00:24:40,639
'cause I ain't killed my child,
608
00:24:40,722 --> 00:24:42,847
and they kept saying
they gonna try to make me say
609
00:24:42,931 --> 00:24:46,138
that my child was a street kid
or a hustler or a runaway
610
00:24:46,222 --> 00:24:47,597
and I told them to get the hell
out of my house
611
00:24:47,681 --> 00:24:48,972
and don't come back.
612
00:24:49,055 --> 00:24:50,514
- Camille Bell, making
the formal statement
613
00:24:50,597 --> 00:24:52,305
for her Committee
to Stop Children's Murders,
614
00:24:52,389 --> 00:24:54,263
called the situation
a circus
615
00:24:54,347 --> 00:24:56,806
and accused authorities
of playing games.
616
00:24:56,889 --> 00:24:58,305
- Basically, though,
the general feeling
617
00:24:58,389 --> 00:25:00,138
is if they think I killed
my child,
618
00:25:00,222 --> 00:25:01,472
tell them to come get me.
619
00:25:01,555 --> 00:25:05,597
♪ ♪
620
00:25:05,681 --> 00:25:07,597
- The dogs were given shoes
to sniff.
621
00:25:07,681 --> 00:25:09,972
A label identified one
of the shoes as belonging
622
00:25:10,055 --> 00:25:11,305
to Earl Terrell.
623
00:25:11,389 --> 00:25:12,847
- Do you feel that there's
a possibility
624
00:25:12,931 --> 00:25:15,097
you might find something today?
625
00:25:15,180 --> 00:25:16,847
- You know,
I really hope we don't.
626
00:25:16,931 --> 00:25:18,389
- The dog men are also expected
627
00:25:18,472 --> 00:25:19,722
to meet with
the task force tomorrow.
628
00:25:19,806 --> 00:25:21,847
They want to find out
if their K-9s are needed
629
00:25:21,931 --> 00:25:24,347
to look for 16-year-old
Patrick Rogers.
630
00:25:24,430 --> 00:25:26,681
Rogers has been missing
since last Monday.
631
00:25:26,764 --> 00:25:28,681
- For some reason that day,
I stayed home from school,
632
00:25:28,764 --> 00:25:30,097
so I was watching the news,
633
00:25:30,180 --> 00:25:31,722
and I'd watch the news
every day.
634
00:25:31,806 --> 00:25:32,764
I was a seven-year-old,
635
00:25:32,847 --> 00:25:34,681
but I was a avid news-watcher,
636
00:25:34,764 --> 00:25:36,847
and, um, they'd made
and announcement
637
00:25:36,931 --> 00:25:40,681
that they found the body
in the Chattahoochee River.
638
00:25:40,764 --> 00:25:42,389
They kind of did, like,
a flash like,
639
00:25:42,472 --> 00:25:43,681
"A body's been found,"
640
00:25:43,764 --> 00:25:46,889
and then they went--I guess
it was like a teaser.
641
00:25:46,972 --> 00:25:49,305
They wanted to keep you
watching, you know?
642
00:25:49,389 --> 00:25:51,514
Then they went to commercial,
and then the phone rang,
643
00:25:51,597 --> 00:25:53,013
and it was my mama.
644
00:25:53,097 --> 00:25:55,305
You know, she was like,
"That's him."
645
00:25:55,389 --> 00:25:56,847
I'm like,
"What are you talking about?"
646
00:25:56,972 --> 00:25:59,055
She's like,
"That's gonna be Pat-Man."
647
00:25:59,138 --> 00:26:01,389
I don't know how she knew it
but she knew it,
648
00:26:01,472 --> 00:26:03,055
and I remember watching it.
649
00:26:03,138 --> 00:26:04,889
I remember seeing them pulling
him out of--
650
00:26:04,972 --> 00:26:07,555
out of the river and, um,
651
00:26:07,639 --> 00:26:10,972
I think one of his--one
of his feet kind of...
652
00:26:12,764 --> 00:26:15,013
Became exposed from under the--
the cover, you know?
653
00:26:15,097 --> 00:26:16,222
And I'm like,
"Oh, no."
654
00:26:16,305 --> 00:26:18,722
I was watching it.
I was like, "Wow."
655
00:26:18,806 --> 00:26:20,097
And I'm still like,
"No, that can't be him."
656
00:26:20,180 --> 00:26:21,764
You know, 'cause he was
a martial art expert,
657
00:26:21,847 --> 00:26:23,389
and they can't take him.
658
00:26:23,472 --> 00:26:25,430
Nobody could hurt this guy.
659
00:26:25,514 --> 00:26:27,514
I mean,
I think later that night,
660
00:26:27,597 --> 00:26:29,722
that's when they came.
They came.
661
00:26:29,806 --> 00:26:31,889
They knocked on the door,
and it was that knock--
662
00:26:31,972 --> 00:26:34,389
it was that knock that
you dreaded, you know?
663
00:26:34,472 --> 00:26:38,180
And so that's when
we had become part of a club
664
00:26:38,263 --> 00:26:40,514
that no one wants to be
a part of.
665
00:26:43,013 --> 00:26:45,055
- Patrick Rogers,
who wrote music,
666
00:26:45,138 --> 00:26:47,931
sang, and appeared in several
local talent shows.
667
00:26:48,013 --> 00:26:50,430
Neighbors are telling police
Rogers had met a man
668
00:26:50,514 --> 00:26:51,806
he called his manager
669
00:26:51,889 --> 00:26:53,639
and on the night
Rogers disappeared,
670
00:26:53,722 --> 00:26:55,722
he was on his way
to a recording studio
671
00:26:55,806 --> 00:26:57,055
to meet that man.
672
00:26:57,138 --> 00:26:59,555
Rogers never told neighbors
the man's name.
673
00:26:59,639 --> 00:27:01,931
- I think this was
just somebody
674
00:27:02,013 --> 00:27:03,806
that he hadn't
too long ago met.
675
00:27:03,889 --> 00:27:05,305
- Back then,
all the neighborhoods
676
00:27:05,389 --> 00:27:06,972
would have talent shows.
677
00:27:07,055 --> 00:27:09,263
Like, this neighborhood would
challenge this neighborhood,
678
00:27:09,347 --> 00:27:10,597
vice versa.
679
00:27:10,681 --> 00:27:14,597
- ♪ She likes the boys
in the band ♪
680
00:27:14,681 --> 00:27:17,097
♪ She says that I'm
her all-time favorite ♪
681
00:27:17,180 --> 00:27:19,389
[dramatic rock music]
682
00:27:19,472 --> 00:27:22,305
- Pat-Man loved to sing.
He loved to perform.
683
00:27:22,389 --> 00:27:25,013
So he would go all around
the city to compete
684
00:27:25,097 --> 00:27:26,639
in all the talent shows.
685
00:27:26,722 --> 00:27:28,138
Anywhere there was
this talent show,
686
00:27:28,222 --> 00:27:29,931
anywhere there was a showcase,
he was there.
687
00:27:30,013 --> 00:27:33,013
♪ ♪
688
00:27:33,097 --> 00:27:34,472
I learned later on
that the guy
689
00:27:34,555 --> 00:27:36,180
who I knew was Wayne Williams
690
00:27:36,263 --> 00:27:39,180
was actually putting on
some of the shows.
691
00:27:39,263 --> 00:27:42,472
- I mean, he allegedly went
around to kids saying,
692
00:27:42,555 --> 00:27:45,180
"I can make you the next
Michael Jackson,"
693
00:27:45,263 --> 00:27:49,305
and claimed to be a record
producer, a music producer.
694
00:27:49,389 --> 00:27:51,305
- His fliers that he put out
695
00:27:51,389 --> 00:27:53,013
indicated he was
a talent scout
696
00:27:53,097 --> 00:27:56,013
and if you have any ability,
call me.
697
00:27:56,097 --> 00:27:58,764
♪ ♪
698
00:27:58,847 --> 00:28:02,806
He had the perfect bait
to gain the confidence
699
00:28:02,889 --> 00:28:05,555
of young people,
and I might add mostly boys.
700
00:28:05,639 --> 00:28:08,013
I'm not talking about girls.
701
00:28:08,097 --> 00:28:09,681
- He said he owned
a radio station.
702
00:28:09,764 --> 00:28:11,889
He said, "These are
transmitters right here."
703
00:28:11,972 --> 00:28:14,180
He had even, like, a mic
and the little, um--
704
00:28:14,263 --> 00:28:15,681
you know, the cover.
705
00:28:15,764 --> 00:28:17,722
I just knew that I wanted
to sing
706
00:28:17,806 --> 00:28:20,681
and I knew that this guy
was providing a space
707
00:28:20,764 --> 00:28:22,055
for us to do it.
708
00:28:23,263 --> 00:28:24,806
Me and my brother Chris,
actually,
709
00:28:24,889 --> 00:28:29,972
we both ended up auditioning
for Wayne's group--Gemini.
710
00:28:30,055 --> 00:28:32,555
He was a Gemini and so,
you know,
711
00:28:32,639 --> 00:28:34,347
the idea of the group
I think just came out
712
00:28:34,430 --> 00:28:35,514
of his zodiac sign.
713
00:28:35,597 --> 00:28:37,639
You know,
"I'm a Gemini."
714
00:28:37,722 --> 00:28:39,847
♪ ♪
715
00:28:39,931 --> 00:28:43,222
- Wayne, he felt fun.
He was, like, light.
716
00:28:43,305 --> 00:28:45,722
You know, he felt like
a big brother.
717
00:28:45,806 --> 00:28:47,931
His jokes were kind of corny.
718
00:28:48,013 --> 00:28:49,347
You know,
he was trying--
719
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:51,555
I feel like he would sometimes
try to be cool,
720
00:28:51,639 --> 00:28:53,430
and he really wasn't cool.
721
00:28:53,514 --> 00:28:55,347
♪ ♪
722
00:28:55,430 --> 00:28:59,514
Never felt unsafe around Wayne.
Not at all.
723
00:28:59,597 --> 00:29:00,722
My mom's like a hawk.
724
00:29:00,806 --> 00:29:01,889
She doesn't play,
725
00:29:01,972 --> 00:29:05,889
so she thought
he was a legit manager.
726
00:29:05,972 --> 00:29:07,806
I mean, his reputation--
this guy was like--
727
00:29:07,889 --> 00:29:09,013
he was known as, like,
a genius,
728
00:29:09,097 --> 00:29:10,389
as being someone really smart.
729
00:29:10,472 --> 00:29:11,555
And she knew his parents.
730
00:29:11,639 --> 00:29:14,138
I think that's what made her
feel kind of safe.
731
00:29:15,889 --> 00:29:20,681
His goal was to make us
a family type group.
732
00:29:20,764 --> 00:29:22,889
And the song
that sticks out to me
733
00:29:22,972 --> 00:29:24,889
that I remember laying
the lead vocal for
734
00:29:24,972 --> 00:29:26,639
was a song called
"The Games We Play."
735
00:29:26,722 --> 00:29:28,764
It went something like, um--
736
00:29:28,847 --> 00:29:32,597
♪ The games we play ♪
737
00:29:32,681 --> 00:29:36,263
♪ Here to stay every day ♪
738
00:29:36,347 --> 00:29:39,555
♪ The games we play ♪
739
00:29:39,639 --> 00:29:43,263
♪ Don't go my way ♪
740
00:29:43,347 --> 00:29:47,931
♪ Don't come my way,
yeah, yeah, yeah ♪
741
00:29:48,013 --> 00:29:49,305
That's what I remember.
742
00:29:49,389 --> 00:29:54,305
- It had to be somebody that
the kids knew and trusted.
743
00:29:54,389 --> 00:29:58,097
He was gonna make them stars
like the Jackson Five.
744
00:29:58,180 --> 00:30:03,055
We had this connection between
all of these victims.
745
00:30:03,138 --> 00:30:04,472
He was the connection.
746
00:30:04,555 --> 00:30:06,305
- With my theory, the person
747
00:30:06,389 --> 00:30:09,180
is not abducted, not kidnapped,
748
00:30:09,263 --> 00:30:12,138
not snatched off the street
at that particular time
749
00:30:12,222 --> 00:30:15,097
but is willingly going
with somebody for something
750
00:30:15,180 --> 00:30:17,305
at least at the instance
they get in the car.
751
00:30:17,389 --> 00:30:18,806
- During the child murders,
752
00:30:18,889 --> 00:30:21,639
there was always speculation
about who was doing this,
753
00:30:21,722 --> 00:30:25,138
but for us there was always
concern about trying
754
00:30:25,222 --> 00:30:27,305
to make sure that
the kids knew to be careful
755
00:30:27,389 --> 00:30:29,847
not just about
the known suspects, right?
756
00:30:29,931 --> 00:30:33,514
You know not to go with the man
who's offering you candy
757
00:30:33,597 --> 00:30:34,847
into the car.
758
00:30:34,931 --> 00:30:38,013
But we also had to say
the sources of authority
759
00:30:38,097 --> 00:30:41,305
that normally we would
tell you you should trust
760
00:30:41,389 --> 00:30:43,931
and believe in,
you can't believe in them.
761
00:30:44,013 --> 00:30:47,305
Only trust the adults
that you know personally.
762
00:30:47,389 --> 00:30:48,764
[tires squealing]
763
00:30:48,847 --> 00:30:50,305
- Hi, little boy.
764
00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:52,681
You want to go along with me?
765
00:30:52,764 --> 00:30:54,681
Yeah, you can.
766
00:30:54,764 --> 00:30:56,222
No, you can't.
767
00:30:56,305 --> 00:30:58,681
- You have probably heard
that voice before.
768
00:30:58,764 --> 00:31:00,305
That is Bill Cosby.
769
00:31:00,389 --> 00:31:03,222
It is that special magic
that Bill Cosby can work,
770
00:31:03,305 --> 00:31:04,889
his rapport with children,
771
00:31:04,972 --> 00:31:08,430
his way of putting things that
has community leaders hoping
772
00:31:08,514 --> 00:31:10,347
the message will get across.
773
00:31:10,430 --> 00:31:13,180
- You just say,
"Adios, kemosabe."
774
00:31:13,263 --> 00:31:16,347
- That message has never been
as important as it is now.
775
00:31:16,430 --> 00:31:18,847
- You start having celebrities
speak out.
776
00:31:18,931 --> 00:31:22,347
Muhammad Ali put
a lot of money forward.
777
00:31:22,430 --> 00:31:24,097
It was a lot
of heavyweight people trying
778
00:31:24,180 --> 00:31:26,472
to put their resources
behind it.
779
00:31:26,555 --> 00:31:29,347
- 22-year-old Michael Jackson
got a brief glimpse
780
00:31:29,430 --> 00:31:31,222
of his fans,
but that was all it took.
781
00:31:31,305 --> 00:31:33,889
Mayor Jackson tried
to calm the crowd
782
00:31:33,972 --> 00:31:37,138
but his bullhorn didn't work.
783
00:31:37,222 --> 00:31:39,597
- So now you have piles
of money.
784
00:31:39,681 --> 00:31:41,597
They were offering
this massive reward
785
00:31:41,681 --> 00:31:44,389
but nobody really
knew anything, you know?
786
00:31:44,472 --> 00:31:46,889
- The Atlanta Police will say
nothing about the progress
787
00:31:46,972 --> 00:31:48,347
of the investigation,
788
00:31:48,430 --> 00:31:50,847
but according to Don Laken,
who works with them,
789
00:31:50,931 --> 00:31:53,764
the signs are that there
is more than one child killer.
790
00:31:53,847 --> 00:31:57,722
- The first classification
would be a religious, um,
791
00:31:57,806 --> 00:32:00,222
cult type of situation.
792
00:32:00,305 --> 00:32:02,430
The way certain bodies
had been found
793
00:32:02,514 --> 00:32:04,389
is the way they would lay
the body out.
794
00:32:04,472 --> 00:32:09,055
We also feel that there's
a drug and porno group around
795
00:32:09,138 --> 00:32:11,889
who would take advantage
of these children.
796
00:32:11,972 --> 00:32:14,722
We feel that there is
a copycat killer,
797
00:32:14,806 --> 00:32:16,722
and then you have
family-oriented
798
00:32:16,806 --> 00:32:18,555
killing of the child.
799
00:32:18,639 --> 00:32:20,597
- The suspicion
started spreading,
800
00:32:20,681 --> 00:32:22,389
and that's when
people were speculating
801
00:32:22,472 --> 00:32:24,263
that there's somebody stealing
the children
802
00:32:24,347 --> 00:32:27,764
and taking their bodily fluids
for interferon or something.
803
00:32:27,847 --> 00:32:29,931
- Now when you talk about
$22 billion a pint
804
00:32:30,013 --> 00:32:33,430
for the best interferon,
what is interferon made from?
805
00:32:33,514 --> 00:32:35,389
White cells, okay?
806
00:32:35,472 --> 00:32:37,972
What is the best way
to get those white cells?
807
00:32:38,055 --> 00:32:40,931
It is to draw it out the head
of the penis of little boys
808
00:32:41,013 --> 00:32:42,889
aged 5 to 17.
809
00:32:42,972 --> 00:32:46,180
- I mean, there were bizarre
theories that people had.
810
00:32:46,263 --> 00:32:48,305
- Part of the underground
conversation
811
00:32:48,389 --> 00:32:51,472
about these young people
is they were castrated
812
00:32:51,555 --> 00:32:54,138
and that their, uh,
male members were shoved
813
00:32:54,222 --> 00:32:57,138
into their mouths, so this just
enraged people all the more.
814
00:32:57,222 --> 00:33:00,097
- The mothers talked about
they just wanted to know
815
00:33:00,180 --> 00:33:02,555
what happened
to their child's penis
816
00:33:02,639 --> 00:33:05,305
or what happened
to their child's hands
817
00:33:05,389 --> 00:33:07,931
and stuff and just different
parts of their organs
818
00:33:08,013 --> 00:33:09,263
was moved, you know?
819
00:33:09,347 --> 00:33:10,806
- There have been
a lot of rumors about
820
00:33:10,889 --> 00:33:14,347
the genital organs
in the children, uh,
821
00:33:14,430 --> 00:33:16,097
that have been found dead.
822
00:33:16,180 --> 00:33:18,305
Out of all the cases
that I have personally done
823
00:33:18,389 --> 00:33:20,263
and have been personally
associated with,
824
00:33:20,347 --> 00:33:23,180
the genital organs have been
completely intact.
825
00:33:23,263 --> 00:33:24,681
- Some people would say,
826
00:33:24,764 --> 00:33:26,472
"You think the government
was involved?"
827
00:33:26,555 --> 00:33:28,305
There's plenty of evidence
for black people
828
00:33:28,389 --> 00:33:31,597
to believe that, so it's not
like a wild conspiracy theory.
829
00:33:31,681 --> 00:33:33,472
For black people
there's plenty of evidence.
830
00:33:33,555 --> 00:33:35,972
The Tuskegee experiment
is an example.
831
00:33:36,055 --> 00:33:38,847
- The United States government
injected syphilis
832
00:33:38,931 --> 00:33:44,347
into 400 black men
under the false pretense
833
00:33:44,430 --> 00:33:46,847
they was giving them
a cold shot.
834
00:33:46,931 --> 00:33:48,972
- This was in Tuskegee?
- In Tuskegee, Alabama.
835
00:33:49,055 --> 00:33:51,472
Not only was it
the United States government,
836
00:33:51,555 --> 00:33:52,847
but the Department of Health.
837
00:33:52,931 --> 00:33:55,847
- And so these ideas
that people are dismissing,
838
00:33:55,931 --> 00:33:58,180
it's hard for
the black community to dismiss.
839
00:33:58,263 --> 00:34:01,222
Why is this happening, then?
840
00:34:01,305 --> 00:34:03,639
Somebody give us an
explanation that makes sense.
841
00:34:03,722 --> 00:34:05,347
♪ ♪
842
00:34:05,430 --> 00:34:07,222
And that explanation
never came,
843
00:34:07,305 --> 00:34:08,972
and nobody's being
held accountable.
844
00:34:09,055 --> 00:34:11,347
- All these theories
are useful
845
00:34:11,430 --> 00:34:13,305
to the extent that they show
846
00:34:13,389 --> 00:34:16,013
something that James Baldwin
talked about,
847
00:34:16,097 --> 00:34:20,722
and that is how fear works
on people.
848
00:34:20,806 --> 00:34:24,722
When people are not given
rational reasons
849
00:34:24,806 --> 00:34:26,097
to believe the truth,
850
00:34:26,180 --> 00:34:28,889
they will create
conspiracy theories.
851
00:34:28,972 --> 00:34:30,889
- We had 1,000 theories.
852
00:34:30,972 --> 00:34:33,222
One of the things you have
to do when you're conducting
853
00:34:33,305 --> 00:34:35,555
an investigation,
you do a profile.
854
00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:37,430
What are we looking for here?
855
00:34:37,514 --> 00:34:41,389
Well, back then you could not
go into a neighborhood
856
00:34:41,472 --> 00:34:44,222
and not be noticed
if you were white.
857
00:34:44,305 --> 00:34:46,639
Roy Hazelwood,
who was our profiler,
858
00:34:46,722 --> 00:34:49,180
who came down from Washington
to help us,
859
00:34:49,263 --> 00:34:50,722
we drove him into
a black neighborhood.
860
00:34:50,806 --> 00:34:52,555
First thing Roy said,
"The killer's gotta be black."
861
00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:53,889
He can't go
in this neighborhood
862
00:34:53,972 --> 00:34:55,514
without being noticed.
863
00:34:55,597 --> 00:34:57,222
So that's one of the things,
864
00:34:57,305 --> 00:35:01,555
and we didn't eliminate--
it's been put out, I know--
865
00:35:01,639 --> 00:35:03,931
that, "Well, that was kind of
narrow-minded of them
866
00:35:04,013 --> 00:35:05,764
for them to eliminate
everyone else."
867
00:35:05,847 --> 00:35:07,055
No, it wasn't.
868
00:35:07,138 --> 00:35:10,764
Everyone was a suspect.
Everyone.
869
00:35:10,847 --> 00:35:14,055
We didn't limit ourselves
by gender or sex at all.
870
00:35:14,138 --> 00:35:15,222
Or race.
871
00:35:15,305 --> 00:35:17,097
- But you just said
that you decided
872
00:35:17,180 --> 00:35:18,972
that it was a black person.
873
00:35:19,055 --> 00:35:22,263
- We didn't--it wasn't a--
it wasn't a decision that says,
874
00:35:22,347 --> 00:35:25,097
"This is--we're gonna eliminate
all those
875
00:35:25,180 --> 00:35:26,639
and only concentrate
on blacks."
876
00:35:26,722 --> 00:35:28,180
We're saying,
you know,
877
00:35:28,263 --> 00:35:31,097
"In looking at the killer,
it has to be a black person."
878
00:35:31,180 --> 00:35:32,764
And that--that's just a fact.
879
00:35:32,847 --> 00:35:35,931
It's not--we didn't limit
our focus to only black people.
880
00:35:36,013 --> 00:35:37,722
Everybody and anybody
was a suspect.
881
00:35:37,806 --> 00:35:39,931
- White men were
in Atlanta neighborhoods
882
00:35:40,013 --> 00:35:41,681
back then for lots of reasons.
883
00:35:41,764 --> 00:35:43,639
They were
the insurance salesmen,
884
00:35:43,722 --> 00:35:46,430
they were the utility workers,
885
00:35:46,514 --> 00:35:49,347
and let's not sugarcoat it.
886
00:35:49,430 --> 00:35:51,305
Drugs are being sold
in the neighborhood.
887
00:35:51,389 --> 00:35:53,639
So white people knew to come
to those neighborhoods
888
00:35:53,722 --> 00:35:56,347
to buy drugs.
889
00:35:56,430 --> 00:35:58,180
- Three black children
are still missing.
890
00:35:58,263 --> 00:35:59,347
The last to disappear,
891
00:35:59,430 --> 00:36:01,514
14-year-old Lubie Geter,
who vanished
892
00:36:01,597 --> 00:36:03,180
from a south Atlanta
shopping center.
893
00:36:03,263 --> 00:36:06,639
- We broke for Christmas
in December of 1980
894
00:36:06,722 --> 00:36:09,389
and the agents from out
of town went home.
895
00:36:09,472 --> 00:36:11,013
Then we come back
on January 5th.
896
00:36:11,097 --> 00:36:13,138
Lubie Geter goes missing.
897
00:36:13,222 --> 00:36:15,931
Four days later,
the powers that be decided,
898
00:36:16,013 --> 00:36:18,472
"Maybe we ought
to conduct a search
899
00:36:18,555 --> 00:36:22,972
"for the four missing kids
at places used by local thugs
900
00:36:23,055 --> 00:36:25,889
to drop bodies."
901
00:36:25,972 --> 00:36:28,180
So on Friday,
January 9th,
902
00:36:28,263 --> 00:36:30,055
I headed out to Redwine Road.
903
00:36:30,138 --> 00:36:31,889
I parked off to the side,
904
00:36:31,972 --> 00:36:33,263
and I started into the woods,
905
00:36:33,347 --> 00:36:35,639
and something caught my eye
at 11:00.
906
00:36:35,722 --> 00:36:36,889
It looked like a milk jug.
907
00:36:36,972 --> 00:36:40,055
It was the color of a milk jug,
and I walked over and I--
908
00:36:40,138 --> 00:36:41,889
"Oh, my God.
I have another body."
909
00:36:41,972 --> 00:36:46,347
So we found two that day.
910
00:36:46,430 --> 00:36:51,472
- We have found the skeletal
remains of two human bodies
911
00:36:51,555 --> 00:36:56,180
that appear--I emphasize
the word appear--
912
00:36:56,263 --> 00:36:58,055
to be those of children.
913
00:36:58,138 --> 00:37:00,597
- They found two bodies next
to each other--kids--
914
00:37:00,681 --> 00:37:03,180
so that means somebody
dumped them both
915
00:37:03,263 --> 00:37:04,514
and they went missing
at different times
916
00:37:04,597 --> 00:37:05,681
from different locations,
917
00:37:05,764 --> 00:37:08,305
so that means somebody
used that spot.
918
00:37:08,389 --> 00:37:09,931
It worked one time.
He'll go again.
919
00:37:10,013 --> 00:37:11,889
- Two victims,
same dumping ground.
920
00:37:11,972 --> 00:37:13,222
One killer.
921
00:37:13,305 --> 00:37:14,931
- The parents of each
of the four children
922
00:37:15,013 --> 00:37:16,889
who have been missing
for several months
923
00:37:16,972 --> 00:37:18,389
know that there's
a good chance
924
00:37:18,472 --> 00:37:20,514
that their child
has been found dead.
925
00:37:20,597 --> 00:37:22,597
- I'm trying not to worry,
926
00:37:22,681 --> 00:37:27,138
but every time I see someone
on the news, I get upset,
927
00:37:27,222 --> 00:37:31,097
and I'm about to go to pieces,
928
00:37:31,180 --> 00:37:34,347
and I'm hoping
that it's not Chris,
929
00:37:34,430 --> 00:37:38,222
because any time that
you don't hear anything,
930
00:37:38,305 --> 00:37:40,389
you know,
no news is good news.
931
00:37:40,472 --> 00:37:43,055
- She says she's close to
the breaking point despite...
932
00:37:43,138 --> 00:37:46,305
- I missed him so much.
933
00:37:46,389 --> 00:37:48,389
He was a comic.
934
00:37:48,472 --> 00:37:50,555
Like a cracker jack
in the family.
935
00:37:52,180 --> 00:37:56,263
We searched.
Couldn't find nothing.
936
00:37:56,347 --> 00:37:58,597
Nothing of him.
937
00:37:58,681 --> 00:38:01,639
[organ music playing]
938
00:38:01,722 --> 00:38:04,389
- Now for Sirlena Cobb,
the wait is over.
939
00:38:04,472 --> 00:38:07,055
The hope is gone.
940
00:38:07,138 --> 00:38:10,722
- It was weird,
and it's still weird to me
941
00:38:10,806 --> 00:38:12,972
for him to be gone like that.
942
00:38:13,055 --> 00:38:15,764
♪ ♪
943
00:38:15,847 --> 00:38:17,430
I'm fixing to get ready
to start crying.
944
00:38:17,514 --> 00:38:20,097
That's--that's just me.
945
00:38:20,180 --> 00:38:22,430
♪ ♪
946
00:38:22,514 --> 00:38:27,597
- As a reporter, I was sent
to the family house
947
00:38:27,681 --> 00:38:31,972
after the body turned up,
and I remember the pain
948
00:38:32,055 --> 00:38:34,514
and the grief etched
on her face
949
00:38:34,597 --> 00:38:37,806
was just so--
[exhales sharply]
950
00:38:37,889 --> 00:38:40,972
It was--it was painful
to sit with her and see,
951
00:38:41,055 --> 00:38:43,847
and then she said--we're
sitting and we're not talking.
952
00:38:43,931 --> 00:38:45,138
We're not talking.
953
00:38:45,222 --> 00:38:46,639
We're just sitting around
a table, the three of us,
954
00:38:46,722 --> 00:38:49,097
and she said,
955
00:38:49,180 --> 00:38:52,347
"I feel like somebody
balled me up
956
00:38:52,430 --> 00:38:54,681
and threw me in the trash."
957
00:38:54,764 --> 00:38:58,138
- Ten-year-old Earl Terrell
lived here on Browns Mill Road
958
00:38:58,222 --> 00:38:59,472
with his family.
959
00:38:59,555 --> 00:39:01,097
For them, months of waiting
and wondering
960
00:39:01,180 --> 00:39:03,180
came to an end
late yesterday afternoon.
961
00:39:03,263 --> 00:39:05,305
Earl's mother Beverly Belt
told me today
962
00:39:05,389 --> 00:39:06,931
that she had little doubt
at that time
963
00:39:07,013 --> 00:39:09,472
that the remains found
were those of her son.
964
00:39:09,555 --> 00:39:12,347
- From what they showed me
that I--I knew it was him.
965
00:39:12,430 --> 00:39:13,847
You know,
there wasn't no doubt.
966
00:39:13,931 --> 00:39:15,889
When they came by
and told me that
967
00:39:15,972 --> 00:39:17,472
it was a positive ID,
968
00:39:17,555 --> 00:39:20,514
I was, uh, all set for it.
969
00:39:20,597 --> 00:39:21,764
Um...
970
00:39:23,097 --> 00:39:24,180
It's a hurting feeling,
971
00:39:24,263 --> 00:39:27,639
but I've lived to accept it.
972
00:39:34,055 --> 00:39:35,222
- I can't walk these routes.
973
00:39:35,305 --> 00:39:37,514
I just--it's--it's baring.
974
00:39:37,597 --> 00:39:40,681
It's very, very, very baring
for me to walk this area
975
00:39:40,764 --> 00:39:44,347
because I can see my brother
still walking.
976
00:39:44,430 --> 00:39:45,931
And that's something,
you know,
977
00:39:46,013 --> 00:39:48,472
I don't try to hide,
but I'm very emotional,
978
00:39:48,555 --> 00:39:50,681
and I think that's where
my depression come from,
979
00:39:50,764 --> 00:39:53,430
because it bothers me so much
to know that,
980
00:39:53,514 --> 00:39:56,013
you know,
who did it?
981
00:39:56,097 --> 00:39:59,597
You know, he went
from big brother to no brother.
982
00:40:02,180 --> 00:40:05,097
- Every day they were finding
kids, back to back.
983
00:40:05,180 --> 00:40:06,222
They all thought that,
you know,
984
00:40:06,305 --> 00:40:08,389
the killings
was just gonna stop,
985
00:40:08,472 --> 00:40:11,055
you know, and it just happened
to those people
986
00:40:11,138 --> 00:40:13,389
and it, you know,
wasn't gonna happen to,
987
00:40:13,472 --> 00:40:14,514
you know,
this family.
988
00:40:14,597 --> 00:40:17,555
[dramatic music]
989
00:40:17,639 --> 00:40:19,764
- There's a body found.
990
00:40:19,847 --> 00:40:23,013
- Is it a black male?
- Yes.
991
00:40:23,097 --> 00:40:24,097
[camera shutters clicking]
992
00:40:24,180 --> 00:40:25,097
- Is it one
of the missing children?
993
00:40:25,180 --> 00:40:29,222
- They do hope for an ID
tonight.
994
00:40:29,305 --> 00:40:31,722
- Never thought that one
of those kids
995
00:40:31,806 --> 00:40:33,806
was gonna be my kid,
you know?
996
00:40:33,889 --> 00:40:36,555
♪ ♪
997
00:40:36,639 --> 00:40:38,430
And it was just devastating.
998
00:40:38,514 --> 00:40:41,806
♪ ♪
999
00:40:41,889 --> 00:40:43,639
You know, I really wanted
his casket
1000
00:40:43,722 --> 00:40:45,430
to be open the whole time
1001
00:40:45,514 --> 00:40:47,806
because I wanted the world
to believe
1002
00:40:47,889 --> 00:40:51,597
that this could have happened
to anybody's child.
1003
00:40:51,681 --> 00:40:55,430
♪ ♪
1004
00:40:55,514 --> 00:40:58,514
- So-called street kids
have been most vulnerable.
1005
00:40:58,597 --> 00:41:00,806
Poor black children
from one-parent homes
1006
00:41:00,889 --> 00:41:03,430
out on their own,
hustling pocket money.
1007
00:41:03,514 --> 00:41:04,806
- Who were the victims?
1008
00:41:04,889 --> 00:41:08,639
Most of the victims were
products of broken homes.
1009
00:41:08,722 --> 00:41:10,555
They were street kids.
1010
00:41:10,639 --> 00:41:11,722
- I don't agree with that.
1011
00:41:11,806 --> 00:41:14,972
I know Yusuf Bell wasn't.
He was a smart kid.
1012
00:41:15,055 --> 00:41:16,972
And just because you were
in the street--
1013
00:41:17,055 --> 00:41:19,263
well, my son was in the street.
1014
00:41:19,347 --> 00:41:23,972
- The children who were being
killed were primarily poor,
1015
00:41:24,055 --> 00:41:26,138
primarily black,
1016
00:41:26,222 --> 00:41:29,180
and no one gets
terribly concerned.
1017
00:41:29,263 --> 00:41:30,972
- But, Mrs. Bell,
1018
00:41:31,055 --> 00:41:33,305
the police chief
and police commissioner
1019
00:41:33,389 --> 00:41:35,138
of this city are black.
1020
00:41:35,222 --> 00:41:37,472
- That has nothing
to do with poverty.
1021
00:41:37,555 --> 00:41:39,806
- The conversation that went on
was, you know,
1022
00:41:39,889 --> 00:41:42,806
"These kids are bad kids."
1023
00:41:42,889 --> 00:41:45,972
They do drugs,
they sell drugs,
1024
00:41:46,055 --> 00:41:48,764
they carry drugs for--
for grown-ups,
1025
00:41:48,847 --> 00:41:50,472
and then there's some
that are involved
1026
00:41:50,555 --> 00:41:52,138
in prostitution as well.
1027
00:41:52,222 --> 00:41:54,097
These kids will do anything
to survive
1028
00:41:54,180 --> 00:41:56,097
and to make a little money,
1029
00:41:56,180 --> 00:41:58,847
and that was sort of
the envelope
1030
00:41:58,931 --> 00:42:00,806
for the story of the killings.
1031
00:42:00,889 --> 00:42:02,681
- My mom and dad.
1032
00:42:02,764 --> 00:42:04,347
- Try to stay a little closer
to them, okay?
1033
00:42:04,430 --> 00:42:06,889
- Okay.
1034
00:42:06,972 --> 00:42:10,472
- The Omni is a complex
of amusement arcades,
1035
00:42:10,555 --> 00:42:12,514
theaters, restaurants, shops
1036
00:42:12,597 --> 00:42:14,555
in the heart of Atlanta.
1037
00:42:14,639 --> 00:42:15,847
It's a meeting place
1038
00:42:15,931 --> 00:42:18,263
for the city's footloose
young blacks,
1039
00:42:18,347 --> 00:42:19,681
a place which many
of the missing
1040
00:42:19,764 --> 00:42:21,681
and murdered children
used to visit.
1041
00:42:21,764 --> 00:42:24,055
- These victims were either
picked up off the street
1042
00:42:24,138 --> 00:42:25,639
in predominantly
black neighborhoods
1043
00:42:25,722 --> 00:42:27,806
or in areas frequented
by black kids,
1044
00:42:27,889 --> 00:42:30,514
popular areas--
the Omni.
1045
00:42:30,597 --> 00:42:32,806
- It is known that
Patrick Baltazar
1046
00:42:32,889 --> 00:42:34,681
did work here two months ago.
1047
00:42:34,764 --> 00:42:37,347
Now someone says they last saw
Patrick around midnight
1048
00:42:37,430 --> 00:42:39,055
on Friday near the Omni.
1049
00:42:39,138 --> 00:42:41,055
His father says the boy liked
to go there
1050
00:42:41,138 --> 00:42:42,889
and play the electronic games.
1051
00:42:42,972 --> 00:42:45,013
The family doesn't live far
from the complex,
1052
00:42:45,097 --> 00:42:47,222
only a few blocks away
on Foundry Street.
1053
00:42:47,305 --> 00:42:49,138
- In the Omni,
there were offices,
1054
00:42:49,222 --> 00:42:50,389
there were stores,
1055
00:42:50,472 --> 00:42:52,931
and there were also
game arcades,
1056
00:42:53,013 --> 00:42:56,555
and that attracted children
coming in to play the games
1057
00:42:56,639 --> 00:43:01,222
and interacting with
some bad, dangerous people.
1058
00:43:01,305 --> 00:43:04,180
- Today we confirm that two--
and as many as ten--
1059
00:43:04,263 --> 00:43:07,681
of Atlanta's murdered boys
have frequented this house
1060
00:43:07,764 --> 00:43:10,305
owned by 62-year-old
Tom Terrell.
1061
00:43:10,389 --> 00:43:12,722
- There were pedophiles
in an area
1062
00:43:12,806 --> 00:43:16,180
behind the old Omni,
literally in the shadows
1063
00:43:16,263 --> 00:43:17,931
of downtown Atlanta.
1064
00:43:18,013 --> 00:43:22,764
Tom Terrell admitted to having
sex with one of the victims,
1065
00:43:22,847 --> 00:43:23,931
Timothy Hill.
1066
00:43:24,013 --> 00:43:25,305
- On March 12th,
1067
00:43:25,389 --> 00:43:27,222
the day before he
was reported missing,
1068
00:43:27,305 --> 00:43:30,222
Timothy Hill spent the night
at Terrell's house.
1069
00:43:30,305 --> 00:43:31,430
- He was here on the 12th
'cause he was supposed
1070
00:43:31,514 --> 00:43:33,305
to come back on the--
on the 13th
1071
00:43:33,389 --> 00:43:35,055
and that was my birthday.
1072
00:43:35,138 --> 00:43:37,055
- But he didn't come back?
- He ain't been back here.
1073
00:43:37,138 --> 00:43:38,472
If he did,
I didn't see him.
1074
00:43:38,555 --> 00:43:40,389
- Baltazar, Timothy Hill,
1075
00:43:40,472 --> 00:43:42,138
Jo Jo Bell, all these kids
1076
00:43:42,222 --> 00:43:44,305
had definitely been
to Tom Terrell's house.
1077
00:43:44,389 --> 00:43:47,430
- There were several
known pedophiles
1078
00:43:47,514 --> 00:43:48,555
in the neighborhoods.
1079
00:43:48,639 --> 00:43:50,555
People knew who they were.
1080
00:43:50,639 --> 00:43:52,639
They called the police
and talked about it.
1081
00:43:52,722 --> 00:43:54,764
- Task force investigators
do not deny
1082
00:43:54,847 --> 00:43:57,263
they are working on the theory
that some of the killings
1083
00:43:57,347 --> 00:43:58,555
are sexually motivated.
1084
00:43:58,639 --> 00:44:00,263
- Sex was a big part
1085
00:44:00,347 --> 00:44:02,639
of the Atlanta underground
at the time.
1086
00:44:02,722 --> 00:44:05,138
The Peachtree Street
corridor
1087
00:44:05,222 --> 00:44:09,305
was full of bathhouses
and massage parlors.
1088
00:44:09,389 --> 00:44:12,514
I mean, sex was--
this was the '70s.
1089
00:44:12,597 --> 00:44:13,972
This was wild,
1090
00:44:14,055 --> 00:44:16,555
and Atlanta had a lot of it.
1091
00:44:16,639 --> 00:44:19,013
- Atlanta was considered
somewhat of a mecca
1092
00:44:19,097 --> 00:44:21,347
of definitely pornography.
1093
00:44:21,430 --> 00:44:23,972
We had the porn kingpin
Mike Thevis.
1094
00:44:24,055 --> 00:44:25,305
He had all these bookstores
1095
00:44:25,389 --> 00:44:27,138
and these little
peep shops downtown.
1096
00:44:27,222 --> 00:44:29,347
- Mike Thevis had
a reputation as being
1097
00:44:29,430 --> 00:44:31,639
an organized crime kingpin
1098
00:44:31,722 --> 00:44:34,222
and being a very
successful moneymaker.
1099
00:44:34,305 --> 00:44:36,097
- He was called the Sultan
of Smut.
1100
00:44:36,180 --> 00:44:38,430
He controlled probably 40%
of the pornography
1101
00:44:38,514 --> 00:44:39,597
at that time in this country.
1102
00:44:39,681 --> 00:44:42,013
A lot of that business
is child pornography.
1103
00:44:42,097 --> 00:44:43,639
- Three men arrested
for operating
1104
00:44:43,722 --> 00:44:47,347
a sex for hire ring that may
have existed for 17 years.
1105
00:44:47,430 --> 00:44:49,514
An East Point detective
working on the murders
1106
00:44:49,597 --> 00:44:50,847
ran across the ring,
1107
00:44:50,931 --> 00:44:52,722
and the defendants
are now in court.
1108
00:44:52,806 --> 00:44:55,013
It may have involved more
than 100 boys.
1109
00:44:55,097 --> 00:44:56,931
- These pedophiles
were actually taking
1110
00:44:57,013 --> 00:45:00,931
these photographs over
to Michael Thevis' businesses
1111
00:45:01,013 --> 00:45:03,013
and selling them.
1112
00:45:03,097 --> 00:45:05,639
- It took the jury only
an hour and five minutes
1113
00:45:05,722 --> 00:45:07,514
to decide that this paunchy,
gray-haired,
1114
00:45:07,597 --> 00:45:09,972
unlikely-looking defendant
was guilty.
1115
00:45:10,055 --> 00:45:11,972
- John David Wilcoxen
was running a house
1116
00:45:12,055 --> 00:45:15,681
for child prostitution
and child pornography.
1117
00:45:15,764 --> 00:45:19,305
- The police raided his house
and they found volumes--
1118
00:45:19,389 --> 00:45:22,389
boxes of pornography,
magazines,
1119
00:45:22,472 --> 00:45:25,806
videos, et cetera,
of children.
1120
00:45:25,889 --> 00:45:27,597
- Pedophiles were paying
these kids
1121
00:45:27,681 --> 00:45:32,222
$5 for fellatio
and then $10 for photographs.
1122
00:45:32,305 --> 00:45:33,889
Now, these three guys,
between them,
1123
00:45:33,972 --> 00:45:38,847
they had tens of thousands of
pictures of, again, nude kids.
1124
00:45:38,931 --> 00:45:40,222
- Defense attorney
Catherine Lerow
1125
00:45:40,305 --> 00:45:41,931
said the children
and their parents
1126
00:45:42,013 --> 00:45:43,472
should bear some of the guilt.
1127
00:45:43,555 --> 00:45:45,722
In her closing argument,
she called the boys
1128
00:45:45,806 --> 00:45:47,764
nothing but male prostitutes.
1129
00:45:47,847 --> 00:45:50,555
- I definitely feel like
there's no supervision
1130
00:45:50,639 --> 00:45:53,722
and I don't--just because
my man has been convicted,
1131
00:45:53,806 --> 00:45:55,722
I don't think that's
gonna stop these boys
1132
00:45:55,806 --> 00:45:56,889
in the least.
1133
00:45:56,972 --> 00:45:58,639
- Two of the victims
had been known
1134
00:45:58,722 --> 00:46:00,847
to go into Wilcoxen's house
1135
00:46:00,931 --> 00:46:02,389
months before they
were kidnapped
1136
00:46:02,472 --> 00:46:03,597
and eventually killed.
1137
00:46:03,681 --> 00:46:07,430
Lubie Geter
and Earl Terrell.
1138
00:46:07,514 --> 00:46:10,222
- Whether it was happenstance
or not,
1139
00:46:10,305 --> 00:46:13,972
there's no question that they
were seen in this house
1140
00:46:14,055 --> 00:46:15,597
by witnesses.
1141
00:46:15,681 --> 00:46:18,681
♪ ♪
1142
00:46:18,764 --> 00:46:19,931
- This is what we used to do.
1143
00:46:20,013 --> 00:46:22,013
Walk through the park,
walk the street way,
1144
00:46:22,097 --> 00:46:23,972
so we would come up
this street here,
1145
00:46:24,055 --> 00:46:26,722
get to the stop sign,
then make a right.
1146
00:46:26,806 --> 00:46:27,972
That was our route.
1147
00:46:28,055 --> 00:46:29,931
The only route
that we used to make
1148
00:46:30,013 --> 00:46:33,097
was going through these houses
here because it was shorter.
1149
00:46:33,180 --> 00:46:36,430
And here is a suspect
right here
1150
00:46:36,514 --> 00:46:39,055
within the same direction that
I know my brother walked.
1151
00:46:39,138 --> 00:46:41,597
We used to go to South Bend
swimming pool
1152
00:46:41,681 --> 00:46:43,097
and walk around in the park.
1153
00:46:43,180 --> 00:46:45,055
We used to do all of that
every day.
1154
00:46:45,138 --> 00:46:46,263
It wasn't a problem.
1155
00:46:46,347 --> 00:46:47,889
We didn't know what
was going on.
1156
00:46:47,972 --> 00:46:49,806
- Nobody ever talked
to your family,
1157
00:46:49,889 --> 00:46:51,806
your mom,
about other suspects?
1158
00:46:51,889 --> 00:46:54,639
That never came up or maybe it
was just not in your earshot
1159
00:46:54,722 --> 00:46:56,180
'cause you were too little?
- Um, no.
1160
00:46:56,263 --> 00:46:58,430
Nobody never come to my mom
and told my mom nothing
1161
00:46:58,514 --> 00:47:00,347
about nothing until
they found my brother,
1162
00:47:00,430 --> 00:47:01,972
and that was the only
conversation we ever had
1163
00:47:02,055 --> 00:47:03,305
with the Atlanta
Police Department,
1164
00:47:03,389 --> 00:47:04,639
is that they found my brother.
1165
00:47:04,722 --> 00:47:06,430
"Well, we found your son."
1166
00:47:06,514 --> 00:47:09,138
And they showed us the graphic
pictures of him being
1167
00:47:09,222 --> 00:47:13,514
in my swimming trunks,
nothing but--I mean, bones.
1168
00:47:13,597 --> 00:47:16,722
♪ ♪
1169
00:47:16,806 --> 00:47:19,263
- The task force looked into
the pedophiles
1170
00:47:19,347 --> 00:47:20,430
by interviewing them
1171
00:47:20,514 --> 00:47:22,138
and interviewing
their neighbors.
1172
00:47:22,222 --> 00:47:24,764
They did extensive
investigation.
1173
00:47:24,847 --> 00:47:27,972
They did fiber samples
from some of those folks
1174
00:47:28,055 --> 00:47:31,430
in an attempt to link them
to any of these crimes,
1175
00:47:31,514 --> 00:47:34,138
but they were just suspects.
1176
00:47:34,222 --> 00:47:37,389
There were hundreds
of suspects.
1177
00:47:37,472 --> 00:47:40,347
- Mayor.
- Yes.
1178
00:47:40,430 --> 00:47:41,722
- I think it's one
of the hardest things
1179
00:47:41,806 --> 00:47:43,347
I had to do in my career
1180
00:47:43,430 --> 00:47:45,681
was the missing and murdered
children's story,
1181
00:47:45,764 --> 00:47:50,389
because I could never see
an end to it.
1182
00:47:50,472 --> 00:47:53,514
The bodies were adding up,
1183
00:47:53,597 --> 00:47:56,013
and we weren't getting
any closer to finding out
1184
00:47:56,097 --> 00:47:59,806
who was doing it
and why they were doing it.
1185
00:47:59,889 --> 00:48:02,514
- We have no idea
who's perpetrating them,
1186
00:48:02,597 --> 00:48:04,347
and even if we did have
an idea,
1187
00:48:04,430 --> 00:48:06,472
there would be no way to
substantiate that at this time.
1188
00:48:06,555 --> 00:48:09,555
We're concerned about
the children.
1189
00:48:09,639 --> 00:48:12,347
- Oh, Lord,
the whole thing became--
1190
00:48:12,430 --> 00:48:14,180
you know,
all the elements of it.
1191
00:48:14,263 --> 00:48:16,055
There were so many angles
to the story, so--
1192
00:48:16,138 --> 00:48:19,055
and a dramatic story,
and one that was building
1193
00:48:19,138 --> 00:48:21,472
and building, and everybody
expected at some point
1194
00:48:21,555 --> 00:48:23,722
something was going to break.
1195
00:48:23,806 --> 00:48:25,555
- Often at night I'd go home
and look for the answers
1196
00:48:25,639 --> 00:48:26,764
on my ceiling.
1197
00:48:26,847 --> 00:48:28,722
I'd stare up,
I'd say, you know--
1198
00:48:28,806 --> 00:48:29,972
couldn't figure it out.
1199
00:48:30,055 --> 00:48:32,389
Several of the guys
were physically--
1200
00:48:32,472 --> 00:48:35,889
became physically ill, and it--
it was different--
1201
00:48:35,972 --> 00:48:38,013
we could all relate to it
because many of us had kids
1202
00:48:38,097 --> 00:48:40,764
the age of the victims, so we--
it was personal for us,
1203
00:48:40,847 --> 00:48:43,514
and it was frustrating
because as hard as we tried,
1204
00:48:43,597 --> 00:48:45,263
as long hours as we put in,
1205
00:48:45,347 --> 00:48:47,597
we simply could not
figure it out.
1206
00:48:47,681 --> 00:48:52,055
- For me to understand what he
was doing,
1207
00:48:52,138 --> 00:48:57,263
I had to convince myself that
there was some reason for it
1208
00:48:57,347 --> 00:48:59,138
before I could start looking
for somebody.
1209
00:48:59,222 --> 00:49:02,972
Why is he doing this?
How is he doing this?
1210
00:49:03,055 --> 00:49:05,722
Okay, they're all children.
1211
00:49:05,806 --> 00:49:08,263
So he's a pedophile.
1212
00:49:08,347 --> 00:49:13,597
The bodies are all
killed somewhere,
1213
00:49:13,681 --> 00:49:16,430
clothed, disclothed,
1214
00:49:16,514 --> 00:49:19,430
dressed again, dumped.
1215
00:49:19,514 --> 00:49:21,263
Why would he do that?
1216
00:49:21,347 --> 00:49:25,138
He would do that because
he enjoys it.
1217
00:49:25,222 --> 00:49:27,931
That's why--that's how
he gets off.
1218
00:49:28,013 --> 00:49:31,138
Taking the life
and playing with them.
1219
00:49:31,222 --> 00:49:34,472
♪ ♪
1220
00:49:34,555 --> 00:49:37,472
Difficult, okay?
1221
00:49:37,555 --> 00:49:40,222
♪ ♪
1222
00:49:40,305 --> 00:49:44,180
He doesn't see the world
the same way you do.
1223
00:49:44,263 --> 00:49:48,472
He sees the world exactly
what he wants,
1224
00:49:48,555 --> 00:49:52,305
totally disregarding
any other person's wants,
1225
00:49:52,389 --> 00:49:54,013
feelings, emotions,
1226
00:49:54,097 --> 00:49:56,138
value,
1227
00:49:56,222 --> 00:50:01,055
and I'm gonna do with you
what I want to do with you.
1228
00:50:01,138 --> 00:50:05,972
Can you see the power that
that gives
1229
00:50:06,055 --> 00:50:08,972
the perpetrator
on something like this?
1230
00:50:09,055 --> 00:50:12,722
At any moment he knows he
can go into the neighborhood
1231
00:50:12,806 --> 00:50:15,639
and pick up one of these kids
1232
00:50:15,722 --> 00:50:18,389
and do with him whatever
he wants.
1233
00:50:20,097 --> 00:50:21,639
- If it's the will
of this body,
1234
00:50:21,722 --> 00:50:24,847
would you all like to hear
from Wayne Williams tonight?
1235
00:50:24,931 --> 00:50:26,389
All in favor say yea.
1236
00:50:26,472 --> 00:50:27,555
all: Yea.
1237
00:50:27,639 --> 00:50:29,889
- All opposed say no.
1238
00:50:31,430 --> 00:50:33,347
The yeas have it.
1239
00:50:33,430 --> 00:50:38,013
Well, I will say to you
if it is offensive to you
1240
00:50:38,097 --> 00:50:40,305
that you can excuse yourself.
1241
00:50:40,389 --> 00:50:43,180
I do not want anything
done here tonight
1242
00:50:43,263 --> 00:50:45,305
to be offensive to anybody.
1243
00:50:45,389 --> 00:50:48,222
Can we turn the volume up?
1244
00:50:48,305 --> 00:50:49,639
- Are we on?
1245
00:51:42,013 --> 00:51:45,639
- This is--of all of the people
who are in this room.
1246
00:51:47,555 --> 00:51:50,597
Do you believe
that Wayne Williams
1247
00:51:50,681 --> 00:51:56,806
had involvement in killing
any or all
1248
00:51:56,889 --> 00:51:58,097
of these children?
1249
00:51:58,180 --> 00:52:00,764
all: No.
- An adult--hold on. Hold on.
1250
00:52:00,847 --> 00:52:01,889
Raise your hand.
1251
00:52:01,972 --> 00:52:04,430
If you believe he did not
have any involvement
1252
00:52:04,514 --> 00:52:07,097
at all in this,
raise your hand.
1253
00:52:07,180 --> 00:52:09,055
Put your hand down.
1254
00:52:09,138 --> 00:52:11,430
If you don't know whether
he did or not,
1255
00:52:11,514 --> 00:52:12,972
raise your hand.
1256
00:52:13,055 --> 00:52:14,847
♪ ♪
1257
00:52:14,931 --> 00:52:18,972
If you know with a surety
that he did,
1258
00:52:19,055 --> 00:52:20,806
raise your hand.
1259
00:52:20,889 --> 00:52:22,806
♪ ♪
1260
00:52:22,889 --> 00:52:26,305
And therein, friends,
lies our dilemma.
1261
00:52:26,389 --> 00:52:30,138
We don't know.
We don't know.
1262
00:52:30,222 --> 00:52:34,472
And so it leaves a herculean
task for the mayor,
1263
00:52:34,555 --> 00:52:38,639
for the DA,
for these families,
1264
00:52:38,722 --> 00:52:42,305
and for all of us
in this search for truth.
1265
00:52:42,389 --> 00:52:44,305
- Hello.
How are you all?
1266
00:52:44,389 --> 00:52:46,639
- Mayor, how are you?
- Good.
1267
00:52:46,722 --> 00:52:53,722
♪ ♪
1268
00:53:23,972 --> 00:53:25,972
[bright tone]
1269
00:53:27,806 --> 00:53:28,764
♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYS) ♪
1270
00:53:28,847 --> 00:53:31,055
MAN: In 1981,
the only thing people heard
1271
00:53:31,138 --> 00:53:33,639
about Atlanta was...
children were dying.
1272
00:53:35,764 --> 00:53:37,681
WOMAN: The FBI,
and everybody else,
1273
00:53:38,055 --> 00:53:41,013
was being embarrassed
by the murders.
1274
00:53:41,097 --> 00:53:42,555
The radio squelch broke
1275
00:53:42,639 --> 00:53:44,305
and I heard something
about a splash.
1276
00:53:44,389 --> 00:53:47,055
At that point,
I knew I was a suspect.
1277
00:53:47,138 --> 00:53:48,931
We found the killer, that's it.
1278
00:53:49,639 --> 00:53:51,639
But that really wasn't it.
1279
00:53:55,347 --> 00:53:56,931
♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
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