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Ricky were best friends. He was just a normal kid like

just a normal kid like everybody. We went to school

everybody. We went to school together. He was very smart. A

together. He was very smart. A god-fearing person. He studied

god-fearing person. He studied the bible. He was a good, good

the bible. He was a good, good student. And then certain

student. And then certain things started going wrong with

things started going wrong with ricky, and he started doing bad

ricky, and he started doing bad things. He was doing something

things. He was doing something very wrong. My belief -- you

very wrong. My belief -- you live by the sword, you die by

live by the sword, you die by the sword, and that's just the

the sword, and that's just the way it is.

Way it is. >> welcome to "very scary

>> welcome to "very scary people." I'm donnie wahlberg.

People." I'm donnie wahlberg. The media called it a rampage.

The media called it a rampage. There was a serial killer on

there was a serial killer on the loose in california. Random

the loose in california. Random attacks throughout the spring

attacks throughout the spring and summer of 1985. No one felt

and summer of 1985. No one felt safe. Police described his

safe. Police described his actions as savage. He broke

actions as savage. He broke into people's homes, stole

into people's homes, stole anything of value, then raped,

anything of value, then raped, beat, and murdered those he

beat, and murdered those he found inside. He had been

found inside. He had been linked to at least 15 murders,

linked to at least 15 murders, from children to the elderly,

from children to the elderly, male and female, wealthy and

male and female, wealthy and poor. Now investigators had a

poor. Now investigators had a promising lead, one that would

promising lead, one that would finally end the night stalker's

finally end the night stalker's reign of terror. Here's part

reign of terror. Here's part two of "the night stalker: I

two of "the night stalker: I will be avenged."

will be avenged." >> the victim, her throat had

>> the victim, her throat had been slashed.

Been slashed. >> he found her horribly

>> he found her horribly mutilated and murdered.

Mutilated and murdered. >> it appears the suspect got

>> it appears the suspect got in through an open window.

In through an open window. >> he stole a lot of jewelry

>> he stole a lot of jewelry and graduated to these horrible

and graduated to these horrible crimes of violence.

Crimes of violence. >> it was a night of sheer

>> it was a night of sheer terror.

Terror. >> she begged him not to shoot

>> she begged him not to shoot her.

Her. >> it was an isolated murder

>> it was an isolated murder here and an isolated one there,

here and an isolated one there, but then, that summer, it was

but then, that summer, it was just constant.

Just constant. >> five murders and three

>> five murders and three sexual attacks in the past

sexual attacks in the past eight weeks.

Eight weeks. >> this man may be linked to at

>> this man may be linked to at least six homicides.

Least six homicides. >> seven bodies beaten, stabbed,

>> seven bodies beaten, stabbed, or shot.

Or shot. >> 33 cases, including 14

>> 33 cases, including 14 murders, have definitely been

murders, have definitely been linked to the walk-in killer.

Linked to the walk-in killer. >> the killer leaves the

>> the killer leaves the pentagram, the mark of the

pentagram, the mark of the devil.

Devil. >> he was openly bringing a

>> he was openly bringing a satanic aspect to the attacks.

Satanic aspect to the attacks. >> I'm nervous. You know, I'm

>> I'm nervous. You know, I'm nervous for my family, nervous

nervous for my family, nervous for my friends and neighbors.

For my friends and neighbors. >> 29-year-old bill carns was

>> 29-year-old bill carns was shot in the head.

Shot in the head. >> but what was different about

>> but what was different about this incident -- there was a

this incident -- there was a young man who lived a couple

young man who lived a couple blocks away.

Blocks away. >> he spotted a suspicious man,

>> he spotted a suspicious man, and he is able to get a partial

and he is able to get a partial license plate number.

License plate number. >> the license plate matched

>> the license plate matched with a 1976 orange toyota

with a 1976 orange toyota station wagon.

Station wagon. >> and so it was one of the

>> and so it was one of the best leads that they got

best leads that they got through the whole

through the whole investigation.

Investigation. >> it affords law enforcement

>> it affords law enforcement the ability to issue an

the ability to issue an all-points bulletin for the

all-points bulletin for the orange station wagon. And,

orange station wagon. And, ultimately, that station wagon

ultimately, that station wagon turns up abandoned in a parking

turns up abandoned in a parking lot.

Lot. >> so the police, they watch

>> so the police, they watch the car for 24 hours, and the

the car for 24 hours, and the driver never showed up.

Driver never showed up. >> eventually, they brought it

>> eventually, they brought it in to be processed for

in to be processed for evidence.

Evidence. >> the forensic examination of

>> the forensic examination of the car helped reveal the

the car helped reveal the presence of a latent

presence of a latent fingerprint off the rearview

fingerprint off the rearview mirror of the car.

Mirror of the car. >> there was a brand-new

>> there was a brand-new technology that was just coming

technology that was just coming online. It's called the

online. It's called the automated fingerprint

automated fingerprint identification system, or afis,

identification system, or afis, and it's computerized

and it's computerized technology where a fingerprint

technology where a fingerprint is scanned, it goes through a

is scanned, it goes through a database, and compared. The

database, and compared. The computer spits out possible

computer spits out possible matches, and then there's a

matches, and then there's a physical match.

Physical match. >> he'd been arrested in

>> he'd been arrested in December of'83 for auto theft,

December of'83 for auto theft, and that was on file. That's

and that was on file. That's where the make occurred.

Where the make occurred. >> and it came in just in time

>> and it came in just in time to help them identify the night

to help them identify the night stalker.

Stalker. >> the individual who we

>> the individual who we believe is responsible for

believe is responsible for these crimes -- a man by the

these crimes -- a man by the name of richard ramirez.

Name of richard ramirez. >> richard ramirez was a tall,

>> richard ramirez was a tall, thin, dark-haired, dark-eyed,

thin, dark-haired, dark-eyed, hispanic male with rotting

hispanic male with rotting teeth, a 25-year-old described

teeth, a 25-year-old described drifter from el paso, texas.

Drifter from el paso, texas. >> there was a booking photo,

>> there was a booking photo, and his photograph was

and his photograph was published.

Published. >> at this very moment, an

>> at this very moment, an alert is going out to all law

alert is going out to all law enforcement agencies to be on

enforcement agencies to be on the lookout for this individual,

the lookout for this individual, who could be considered armed

who could be considered armed and extremely dangerous.

And extremely dangerous. >> and now police all over

>> and now police all over california are on the hunt for

california are on the hunt for richard ramirez.

Richard ramirez. >> the police were also staking

>> the police were also staking out the greyhound bus station

out the greyhound bus station where he was known to frequent.

Where he was known to frequent. >> so he gets off the bus, and

>> so he gets off the bus, and the first thing that he sees is

the first thing that he sees is a newspaper stand with his

a newspaper stand with his picture on the front of "l.A.

Picture on the front of "l.A. Times." big picture.

Times." big picture. >> he's surprised when the

>> he's surprised when the crowd recognizes him. The jig

crowd recognizes him. The jig is up.

Is up. >> walk-in killer suspect

>> walk-in killer suspect richard ramirez had just

richard ramirez had just discovered he was a wanted man

discovered he was a wanted man and desperately tried to make a

and desperately tried to make a run for it.

Run for it. >> he starts running, he gets

>> he starts running, he gets into a bus, people recognize

into a bus, people recognize him in the bus, and he jumps

him in the bus, and he jumps out the bus.

Out the bus. >> he fled on foot and tried to

>> he fled on foot and tried to steal a car.

Steal a car. >> I was assigned to my car,

>> I was assigned to my car, 4a57, with my partner. We

4a57, with my partner. We handle a radio call. We receive

handle a radio call. We receive a broadcast over the air of a

a broadcast over the air of a possible night stalker

possible night stalker sighting.

Sighting. >> he tries to hijack this old

>> he tries to hijack this old classic mustang. You don't do

classic mustang. You don't do that in east l.A.

That in east l.A. >> he chased after the suspect

>> he chased after the suspect after he claims ramirez was

after he claims ramirez was trying to steal his red

trying to steal his red mustang. And even though he

mustang. And even though he says he was being threatened

says he was being threatened with a gun, pinon fought that

with a gun, pinon fought that suspect anyway.

Suspect anyway. >> then I got him by the neck.

>> then I got him by the neck. >> got him by the neck, and

>> got him by the neck, and then what?

Then what? >> then we struggled back and

>> then we struggled back and forth over the car.

Forth over the car. >> during this time, we're

>> during this time, we're hearing broadcasts of requests

hearing broadcasts of requests for additional units to

for additional units to respond. He was last seen

respond. He was last seen traveling eastbound on 8th

traveling eastbound on 8th street.

Street. >> they chased him physically.

>> they chased him physically. A number of the other neighbors

a number of the other neighbors got involved.

Got involved. >> and I remember going up on

>> and I remember going up on indiana to percy street, and we

indiana to percy street, and we see people pointing down the

see people pointing down the direction where this person was

direction where this person was going.

Going. >> so then it was a mob. It was

>> so then it was a mob. It was a mob scene.

A mob scene. >> then ramirez attempted to

>> then ramirez attempted to car jack another vehicle. Big

car jack another vehicle. Big mistake.

Mistake. >> saw another man hitting his

>> saw another man hitting his wife while pulling her out of

wife while pulling her out of her gold granada.

Her gold granada. >> he hit her?

>> he hit her? >> yeah, he tried to --

>> yeah, he tried to -- >> where'd he hit her?

>> where'd he hit her? >> (speaking foreign language)

>> (speaking foreign language) >> oh, he hit her right here,

>> oh, he hit her right here, all over there.

All over there. >> what was she thinking? Was

>> what was she thinking? Was she scared?

She scared? >> yes.

>> yes. >> that's when torres grabbed

>> that's when torres grabbed the pipe and began hitting that

the pipe and began hitting that man.

Man. >> when I exited my police car,

>> when I exited my police car, he was bleeding from the back

he was bleeding from the back of his head. I remember that.

Of his head. I remember that. >> ultimately, a group of folks

>> ultimately, a group of folks realize who it is and wind up

realize who it is and wind up grabbing onto ramirez.

Grabbing onto ramirez. >> at that point, he was dead

>> at that point, he was dead meat.

Meat. >> my concern was I wanted to

>> my concern was I wanted to remove him from that hostile

remove him from that hostile situation that he was in at the

situation that he was in at the time. He was hit over the head

time. He was hit over the head with like a copper rod they

with like a copper rod they used to ground these telephone

used to ground these telephone poles.

Poles. >> I'm sure he was happy to see

>> I'm sure he was happy to see the cops show up.

The cops show up. >> he was on the grass parkway

>> he was on the grass parkway of the street, south side of

of the street, south side of hubbard, and he was laying

hubbard, and he was laying there, and the deputy had just

there, and the deputy had just rolled him over. We requested a

rolled him over. We requested a rescue ambulance to come.

Rescue ambulance to come. >> you look at the media

>> you look at the media coverage of the time and you'll

coverage of the time and you'll that he's bandaged because he

that he's bandaged because he was struck on the head during

was struck on the head during the arrest. And these citizens

the arrest. And these citizens were heroes. They caught the

were heroes. They caught the night stalker.

Night stalker. >> we're happy to report that

>> we're happy to report that >> we're happy to report that

>> we're happy to report that the suspect that we have in

the suspect that we have in custody is richard ramirez,

custody is richard ramirez, otherwise known as the night

otherwise known as the night stalker.

Stalker. >> he's handcuffed hands behind

>> he's handcuffed hands behind his back. When I was talking to

his back. When I was talking to him, I felt just different. You

him, I felt just different. You might call it satanic. I mean,

might call it satanic. I mean, he just looked the presence of

he just looked the presence of evil before you.

Evil before you. >> he was a drifter. He was in

>> he was a drifter. He was in arizona for a while. Came to

arizona for a while. Came to california for unknown reasons.

California for unknown reasons. Started out as a burglar and

started out as a burglar and graduated to these horrible

graduated to these horrible crimes of violence and the

crimes of violence and the satanism, which my personal

satanism, which my personal view, was an affect on his part

view, was an affect on his part to stir up notoriety.

To stir up notoriety. >> the night stalker was now in

>> the night stalker was now in custody, but the big question

custody, but the big question was, what happened to this

was, what happened to this person that created this

person that created this monster? Ricardo leyva ramirez

monster? Ricardo leyva ramirez was born February 29, 1960, in

was born February 29, 1960, in el paso, texas.

El paso, texas. >> richard's mother worked in a

>> richard's mother worked in a boot factory, and his father

boot factory, and his father worked for the santa fe

worked for the santa fe railroad. Richard was the

railroad. Richard was the youngest of five kids.

Youngest of five kids. >> we went to school together.

>> we went to school together. He was very smart. A

he was very smart. A god-fearing person. And then he

god-fearing person. And then he started doing bad things.

Started doing bad things. >> when we interviewed some

>> when we interviewed some people, people were saying that

people, people were saying that he was like a little petty

he was like a little petty thief.

Thief. >> and he didn't have a very

>> and he didn't have a very good reputation.

Good reputation. >> we found out through medical

>> we found out through medical records that he had had many

records that he had had many seizures in the sixth, seventh

seizures in the sixth, seventh grade, and we had a doctor

grade, and we had a doctor examine him. And they did some

examine him. And they did some scans on his brain, and they

scans on his brain, and they found some abnormalities. There

found some abnormalities. There was something wrong with him.

Was something wrong with him. >> maybe he was epileptic, but

>> maybe he was epileptic, but he never got an official

he never got an official diagnosis.

Diagnosis. >> richard ramirez also had a

>> richard ramirez also had a very disturbed childhood.

Very disturbed childhood. >> he had what can be

>> he had what can be considered now a very abusive

considered now a very abusive father. The father was a very

father. The father was a very authoritarian. He would not

authoritarian. He would not hesitate to use the whip and,

hesitate to use the whip and, you know, belt him. He would go

you know, belt him. He would go and steal things, he would get,

and steal things, he would get, you know, caught by his dad,

you know, caught by his dad, and part of that corrective

and part of that corrective measure that he would use, he

measure that he would use, he would tie him up at a cemetery

would tie him up at a cemetery that was right next door to

that was right next door to where they used to live. Put

where they used to live. Put him on crosses, tied up,

him on crosses, tied up, overnight. So he had to endure

overnight. So he had to endure those things very early age.

Those things very early age. We're talking about when he was

we're talking about when he was 12, 14 years old.

12, 14 years old. >> richard's father was clearly

>> richard's father was clearly an influence, but many believe

an influence, but many believe that it was another family

that it was another family member that may have done the

member that may have done the most damage.

Most damage. >> part of ramirez's childhood

>> part of ramirez's childhood specific to his teen years had

specific to his teen years had to deal with a cousin, a

to deal with a cousin, a vietnam veteran who had shared

vietnam veteran who had shared with him some of the details of

with him some of the details of war, of combat, of some of the

war, of combat, of some of the killings that he had witnessed.

Killings that he had witnessed.

>> he taught him how to use the knife and how to cut throats.

Knife and how to cut throats. >> ricky was very, very scared

>> ricky was very, very scared of mike, and he had panic

of mike, and he had panic attacks. He told me how much he

attacks. He told me how much he despised mike.

Despised mike. >> mike, who had all these

>> mike, who had all these tales about vietnamese women he

tales about vietnamese women he had raped and killed and

had raped and killed and polaroid photographs which he

polaroid photographs which he would show young ramirez of

would show young ramirez of decapitated heads of women he

decapitated heads of women he had raped and then beheaded,

had raped and then beheaded, and who really schooled him in

and who really schooled him in how to kill stealthily.

How to kill stealthily. >> sometimes gruesome pictures

>> sometimes gruesome pictures put images in your mind. And

put images in your mind. And they did have a great impact on

they did have a great impact on ricky.

Ricky. >> there's no question that his

>> there's no question that his criminal behavior later in life

criminal behavior later in life reflects lots of sex offenses

reflects lots of sex offenses that are violent, that involve

that are violent, that involve torture, that involve horrific,

torture, that involve horrific, brutal acts, so for him, there

brutal acts, so for him, there was a clear fusion between lust

was a clear fusion between lust and cruelty.

And cruelty. >> when richard was 13, he was

>> when richard was 13, he was present when mike got into an

present when mike got into an argument with his wife and shot

argument with his wife and shot her in the face and killed her.

Her in the face and killed her. >> ramirez shot many of his

>> ramirez shot many of his victims in the face. That is

victims in the face. That is not a common place to shoot

not a common place to shoot people. And yet he is shooting

people. And yet he is shooting victims in the face

victims in the face disproportionately often, just

disproportionately often, just like his cousin mike shot the

like his cousin mike shot the first homicide victim ramirez

first homicide victim ramirez ever witnessed in the face.

Ever witnessed in the face. >> after he shot his wife, he

>> after he shot his wife, he went to trial, and he was found

went to trial, and he was found not guilty by reason of

not guilty by reason of insanity. He was given a

insanity. He was given a lighter sentence, and he

lighter sentence, and he actually, after he finished his

actually, after he finished his sentence, came back into

sentence, came back into richard's life. It seems like a

richard's life. It seems like a pivotal, harrowing moment in

pivotal, harrowing moment in this young kid's development.

This young kid's development. >> hardened by his early

>> hardened by his early experiences, richard became

experiences, richard became increasingly drawn to macabre

increasingly drawn to macabre things.

Things. >> richard took to sleeping in

>> richard took to sleeping in cemeteries.

Cemeteries. >> he would wear a lot of black

>> he would wear a lot of black clothes and go into what you

clothes and go into what you can perceive as a persona of a

can perceive as a persona of a gothic, evil night marauder.

Gothic, evil night marauder. >> he started with marijuana

>> he started with marijuana and then later on went into

and then later on went into heavy drugs like acid.

Heavy drugs like acid. >> he was having epileptic

>> he was having epileptic seizures. Coupled with the

seizures. Coupled with the drugs and, you know, all that

drugs and, you know, all that stuff, it's a combination.

Stuff, it's a combination. >> he explained it to me that,

>> he explained it to me that, "you don't care about nobody,

"you don't care about nobody, not even yourself, " and when

not even yourself, " and when you come to that stage, it's a

you come to that stage, it's a very, very dangerous stage.

Very, very dangerous stage. >> he didn't go to school much.

>> he didn't go to school much. He started hanging out with a

he started hanging out with a rough gang. Richard dropped out

rough gang. Richard dropped out of high school when he was 14.

Of high school when he was 14. >> he got in trouble with the

>> he got in trouble with the law. And once that happened, I

law. And once that happened, I guess he decided not to go back

guess he decided not to go back to school. And then certain

to school. And then certain things started going wrong with

things started going wrong with ricky there.

Ricky there. >> after ramirez was finally

>> after ramirez was finally captured, the arresting

captured, the arresting officers said that he was very

officers said that he was very polite but he refused to

polite but he refused to cooperate.

Cooperate. >> the sheriffs came and

>> the sheriffs came and transported him later to the

transported him later to the county jail, where he was

county jail, where he was booked.

Booked. >> when he was arrested, his

>> when he was arrested, his arrest had led to a locker at

arrest had led to a locker at the greyhound bus station.

The greyhound bus station. There was a trove of evidence

there was a trove of evidence recovered in that bus locker --

recovered in that bus locker -- stolen property that was linked

stolen property that was linked to the victims. The guns

to the victims. The guns weren't recovered, but

weren't recovered, but ammunition that had been in

ammunition that had been in those guns were recovered and

those guns were recovered and linked to ramirez. The charges

linked to ramirez. The charges were filed within 48 hours, as

were filed within 48 hours, as required by law.

Required by law. >> richard ramirez was charged

>> richard ramirez was charged with 14 murders, 19 burglaries,

with 14 murders, 19 burglaries, 7 rapes, and a slew of other

7 rapes, and a slew of other charges.

Charges. >> richard was arrested in'85,

>> richard was arrested in'85, and it was three years before

and it was three years before he went on trial.

He went on trial. >> aw, you ain't no reporter.

>> aw, you ain't no reporter. >> richard ramirez was finally

>> richard ramirez was finally behind bars, and californians

behind bars, and californians could finally sleep at night

could finally sleep at night after a year of being on edge.

After a year of being on edge. Now came the monumental task of

now came the monumental task of bringing the night stalker to

bringing the night stalker to

>> aw, you ain't no reporter. >> richard ramirez was finally

>> richard ramirez was finally behind bars, and californians

behind bars, and californians could finally sleep at night

could finally sleep at night after a year of being on edge.

After a year of being on edge. Now came the monumental task of

now came the monumental task of bringing the night stalker to

bringing the night stalker to justice.

Justice. >> alright, this again is case

>> alright, this again is case number a771272 of the people of

number a771272 of the people of the state of california vs.

The state of california vs. Richard ramirez, the defendant.

Richard ramirez, the defendant. >> there were tremendous

>> there were tremendous challenges just putting the

challenges just putting the case together.

Case together. >> you've got all these

>> you've got all these agencies that you've got to

agencies that you've got to coordinate. You've got all

coordinate. You've got all these victims that you've got

these victims that you've got to care for. This was a

to care for. This was a monumental effort, and then you

monumental effort, and then you add to it that this is a

add to it that this is a capital murder case. The

capital murder case. The preparations are absolutely

preparations are absolutely incredible.

Incredible. >> he was initially represented

>> he was initially represented by two appointed members of the

by two appointed members of the l.A. County public defender's

l.A. County public defender's office. Great attorneys. He had

office. Great attorneys. He had excellent representation. But

excellent representation. But for whatever reason, ramirez's

for whatever reason, ramirez's family chose to fire the public

family chose to fire the public defender's office and bring in

defender's office and bring in a series of private counsel.

A series of private counsel. First issue that came up was

first issue that came up was who was paying for this defense,

who was paying for this defense, because mounting a capital

because mounting a capital defense under any circumstances

defense under any circumstances is tremendously expensive.

Is tremendously expensive. >> and then he got mr. Gallegos

>> and then he got mr. Gallegos for a couple of weeks.

For a couple of weeks. >> my understanding, mr.

>> my understanding, mr. Ramirez -- that you would like

ramirez -- that you would like to have mr. Gallegos as your

to have mr. Gallegos as your attorney. Is that correct?

Attorney. Is that correct? >> yes.

>> yes. >> mr. Gallegos apparently had

>> mr. Gallegos apparently had offered him some deals with

offered him some deals with movies.

Movies. >> in the'80s, some serial

>> in the'80s, some serial killers were treated like

killers were treated like celebrities, and the media

celebrities, and the media outlets would actually compete

outlets would actually compete to get the rights to their

to get the rights to their stories. Ramirez was in that

stories. Ramirez was in that group.

Group. >> there was some indication

>> there was some indication that there was a book deal in

that there was a book deal in the works, which poses all

the works, which poses all kinds of ethical issues, so the

kinds of ethical issues, so the judge actually appointed

judge actually appointed another lawyer just to advise

another lawyer just to advise ramirez as to the possible

ramirez as to the possible issues of financing his defense

issues of financing his defense through a book deal, and

through a book deal, and ramirez refused to talk to that

ramirez refused to talk to that lawyer. Ultimately, daniel and

lawyer. Ultimately, daniel and arturo hernandez came on the

arturo hernandez came on the case. They're not related, even

case. They're not related, even though they have the same last

though they have the same last name.

Name. >> the family has retained us

>> the family has retained us officially, and as far as we're

officially, and as far as we're concerned, we are the attorneys

concerned, we are the attorneys for mr. Ramirez. We ended up

for mr. Ramirez. We ended up with the case, and it made a

with the case, and it made a big difference, absolutely.

Big difference, absolutely. Knowing the culture,

knowing the culture, bilingualism, because, you know,

bilingualism, because, you know, in el paso, we speak both

in el paso, we speak both languages. But we were not

languages. But we were not welcome in l.A. We were really

welcome in l.A. We were really in danger.

In danger. >> I was working as a paralegal

>> I was working as a paralegal with arturo hernandez, who is

with arturo hernandez, who is now my husband. The day that

now my husband. The day that judge soper let them into the

judge soper let them into the case, I received a phone call

case, I received a phone call late in the evening, and they

late in the evening, and they said, "we know who you are. We

said, "we know who you are. We are the family of one of the

are the family of one of the victims in the ramirez case,

victims in the ramirez case, and we're going to kill you."

and we're going to kill you." so I immediately hung up on the

so I immediately hung up on the person and hightailed it out of

person and hightailed it out of the office.

The office. >> and there was an issue that

>> and there was an issue that was brought up as to whether or

was brought up as to whether or not they were qualified to

not they were qualified to handle a case like this. Both

handle a case like this. Both had only been attorneys for

had only been attorneys for about five years and apparently

about five years and apparently had never handled a capital

had never handled a capital case.

Case. >> at preliminary hearings,

>> at preliminary hearings, defense and prosecution would

defense and prosecution would get into shouting matches with

get into shouting matches with each other.

Each other. >> they're matters of public

>> they're matters of public record, sir. There's presently

record, sir. There's presently pending in that court --

pending in that court -- >> these liars.

>> these liars. >> judge tynan and I did not

>> judge tynan and I did not get along, to say the least. He

get along, to say the least. He was always mocking us. He, to

was always mocking us. He, to me, did not have what they call

me, did not have what they call judicial temperament. He would

judicial temperament. He would get (bleep) off.

Get (bleep) off. >> daniel and arturo hernandez

>> daniel and arturo hernandez made statements that the

made statements that the prosecution considered were

prosecution considered were unsupported by the evidence --

unsupported by the evidence -- flat out lying or going for

flat out lying or going for publicity. Phil halpin, who was

publicity. Phil halpin, who was lead counsel, lead prosecutor,

lead counsel, lead prosecutor, very knowledgeable, knows how

very knowledgeable, knows how to handle a case, but there was

to handle a case, but there was really contention between the

really contention between the hernandezes and phil. And I

hernandezes and phil. And I think a lot of that was just

think a lot of that was just natural, given the nature of

natural, given the nature of the case.

The case. >> and in the middle of all of

>> and in the middle of all of this chaos was richard ramirez.

This chaos was richard ramirez. >> richard ramirez came into

>> richard ramirez came into court for the final day of his

court for the final day of his pre-trial hearing flashing the

pre-trial hearing flashing the same grin he displayed during

same grin he displayed during testimony about the grisly

testimony about the grisly details of the night stalker

details of the night stalker killings. He kept smiling as

killings. He kept smiling as judge james nelson ruled there

judge james nelson ruled there is sufficient evidence to bind

is sufficient evidence to bind the 26-year-old drifter over

the 26-year-old drifter over for trial on 14 counts of

for trial on 14 counts of murder plus 36 other counts of

murder plus 36 other counts of attempted murder, rape, robbery,

attempted murder, rape, robbery, and burglary.

And burglary. >> he was arraigned and

>> he was arraigned and immediately took on the persona

immediately took on the persona of the night stalker as he left

of the night stalker as he left court, and the circus began.

Court, and the circus began. >> ramirez revealed a pentagram,

>> ramirez revealed a pentagram, a symbol of devil worship, on

a symbol of devil worship, on his left palm and later shouted

his left palm and later shouted out what most observers agreed

out what most observers agreed was "hail satan."

was "hail satan." >> hail satan.

>> hail satan. >> I truly believe that all of

>> I truly believe that all of this was simply him acting out

this was simply him acting out and wanting to play the role of

and wanting to play the role of the celebrity serial killer --

the celebrity serial killer -- that he's the night stalker and

that he's the night stalker and he should be feared.

He should be feared.

>> welcome back to "very scary people." on August 30, 1988,

people." on August 30, 1988, almost three years after his

almost three years after his arrest, the night stalker

arrest, the night stalker finally stands trial in los

finally stands trial in los angeles. But the man who

angeles. But the man who terrified the nation for more

terrified the nation for more than a year isn't finished yet.

Than a year isn't finished yet. Instead, he begins a bizarre

instead, he begins a bizarre new chapter that has some

new chapter that has some wondering if the night stalker

wondering if the night stalker could escape justice after all.

Could escape justice after all. >> it was one of the biggest

>> it was one of the biggest trials in the history of l.A.

Trials in the history of l.A. The courtroom was packed, and

the courtroom was packed, and you had to get there hours

you had to get there hours ahead of time to even have a

ahead of time to even have a chance to get inside the

chance to get inside the courtroom. Richard really loved

courtroom. Richard really loved the attention.

The attention. >> ramirez, who had spent

>> ramirez, who had spent months in the shadows, now

months in the shadows, now seemed to relish his time in

seemed to relish his time in the spotlight.

The spotlight. >> we got him some armani suits

>> we got him some armani suits donated from goodwill. He

donated from goodwill. He changed from a really ugly,

changed from a really ugly, evil-looking guy to a rock

evil-looking guy to a rock star. And shades, the teeth --

star. And shades, the teeth -- you know, yeah, we got his

you know, yeah, we got his teeth fixed, so he became a

teeth fixed, so he became a very well-looking guy.

Very well-looking guy. >> his transition was just

>> his transition was just another part of the kind of

another part of the kind of circus atmosphere that the case

circus atmosphere that the case was taking on. It's almost what

was taking on. It's almost what you expected because he just

you expected because he just seemed to be enjoying his role

seemed to be enjoying his role as the defendant, the star of

as the defendant, the star of this case.

This case. >> the gratification he was

>> the gratification he was getting, he was being fed, so

getting, he was being fed, so he said, "wow, " you know, "I'm

he said, "wow, " you know, "I'm getting all this fame now." and,

getting all this fame now." and, unfortunately, he got all his

unfortunately, he got all his glory.

Glory. >> he had a very powerful

>> he had a very powerful energy, but it wasn't a good

energy, but it wasn't a good energy. It was something other

energy. It was something other than good. It was just

than good. It was just difficult to explain what you

difficult to explain what you felt.

Felt. >> case number a771272, richard

>> case number a771272, richard ramirez.

Ramirez. >> ramirez periodically acted

>> ramirez periodically acted up between trial -- or acted

up between trial -- or acted out.

Out. >> (speaking indistinctly)

>> (speaking indistinctly) parasites.

Parasites. >> he came to court wearing

>> he came to court wearing sunglasses.

Sunglasses. >> judge tynan ordered him to

>> judge tynan ordered him to take off the sunglasses, and he

take off the sunglasses, and he said, "no, " in a very loud

said, "no, " in a very loud voice.

Voice. >> security in the courtroom

>> security in the courtroom was increased after ramirez

was increased after ramirez threatened to have an

threatened to have an unidentified friend smuggle a

unidentified friend smuggle a gun in to him so that he could

gun in to him so that he could kill the prosecution team. They

kill the prosecution team. They had to erect metal detectors

had to erect metal detectors blocking the entrance to the

blocking the entrance to the courtroom, and then ramirez was

courtroom, and then ramirez was brought in heavily guarded and

brought in heavily guarded and shackled.

Shackled. >> there were rumors about

>> there were rumors about everything -- he was gonna

everything -- he was gonna bring in a gun -- so we were

bring in a gun -- so we were frisked all the time. Came with

frisked all the time. Came with the territory, I guess.

The territory, I guess. >> there was something that

>> there was something that happened in the lock-up where

happened in the lock-up where the bailiffs took him to the

the bailiffs took him to the ground.

Ground. >> two officers that were

>> two officers that were martial arts, ex-navy seals,

martial arts, ex-navy seals, they were watching him. They

they were watching him. They said that he went like this,

said that he went like this, "I'm gonna cut your head off, "

"I'm gonna cut your head off, " threatening the witness. That

threatening the witness. That causes a whole, you know,

causes a whole, you know, bar-fight-like scenario. They

bar-fight-like scenario. They grabbed him, they drag him, and

grabbed him, they drag him, and beat the crap out of him.

Beat the crap out of him. >> with so much drama happening

>> with so much drama happening in the courtroom, the judge

in the courtroom, the judge decided that the two hernandez

decided that the two hernandez attorneys needed help.

Attorneys needed help. >> judge tynan appointed a

>> judge tynan appointed a third lawyer. He made a great

third lawyer. He made a great selection in ray clark, who

selection in ray clark, who came on and took over a lot of

came on and took over a lot of the case.

The case. >> a wonderful, wonderful guy.

>> a wonderful, wonderful guy. He helped out a lot.

He helped out a lot. >> but ray clark also had a

>> but ray clark also had a controversial strategy.

Controversial strategy. >> any speculation on how mr.

>> any speculation on how mr. Ramirez might stand right now

ramirez might stand right now at this point?

At this point? >> hopefully not guilty. I

>> hopefully not guilty. I think somebody else did it.

Think somebody else did it. >> he is innocent in your mind?

>> he is innocent in your mind? >> he is not guilty in my mind,

>> he is not guilty in my mind, and I would like for the press

and I would like for the press to make the distinction.

To make the distinction. >> the argument at trial was

>> the argument at trial was that somebody else did all

that somebody else did all these crimes.

These crimes. >> some other dude did it. I

>> some other dude did it. I don't think there was another

don't think there was another dude like richard ramirez.

Dude like richard ramirez. >> and that wasn't even the

>> and that wasn't even the oddest thing about the trial.

Oddest thing about the trial. >> the entire back row was

>> the entire back row was filled with goth girls.

Filled with goth girls. >> why were you in the

>> why were you in the courtroom today?

Courtroom today?

>> why were you in the courtroom today?

Courtroom today? >> I just wanted to see what he

>> I just wanted to see what he looked like. I think he's cute.

Looked like. I think he's cute. >> he loved the attention. At

>> he loved the attention. At this point, the women started

this point, the women started showing up, the so-called

showing up, the so-called groupies, who would come to

groupies, who would come to court and want to see ramirez

court and want to see ramirez and who were rooting for him.

And who were rooting for him. >> the first thing I remember

>> the first thing I remember -- as I walked into the

-- as I walked into the courtroom, the entire back row

courtroom, the entire back row was filled with goth girls in

was filled with goth girls in black leather dresses and dark

black leather dresses and dark black hair and silver and

black hair and silver and chains.

Chains. >> all kinds of people --

>> all kinds of people -- really crazy, you know, street

really crazy, you know, street folks and some other

folks and some other professional ones. There was a

professional ones. There was a lot of weird stuff -- you know,

lot of weird stuff -- you know, "send me your semen. I want to

"send me your semen. I want to have your baby." you know, I

have your baby." you know, I mean, people -- people are

mean, people -- people are really crazy.

Really crazy. >> the thing that really

>> the thing that really astonished me in this was the

astonished me in this was the attraction of what you'd

attraction of what you'd describe as otherwise

describe as otherwise intelligent and capable women

intelligent and capable women attracted to somebody who is

attracted to somebody who is accused of crimes of this

accused of crimes of this horrific magnitude.

Horrific magnitude. >> everyone makes him look so

>> everyone makes him look so bad, you know, but I know that

bad, you know, but I know that he's -- he's a nice person

he's -- he's a nice person 'cause I've met him and I know.

'cause I've met him and I know. >> it's an extreme, exaggerated

>> it's an extreme, exaggerated form of the tendency of many

form of the tendency of many women to be attracted to bad

women to be attracted to bad boys, and there's some kind of

boys, and there's some kind of beauty and the beast fantasy

beauty and the beast fantasy going on. You know, "my love

going on. You know, "my love will transform this creature

will transform this creature into a warm, loving being."

into a warm, loving being." >> doreen lioy was one of

>> doreen lioy was one of richard's very persistent

richard's very persistent followers -- groupies. She was

followers -- groupies. She was a, you know, very eloquent, >>

a, you know, very eloquent, >> doreen lioy was one of

doreen lioy was one of richard's very persistent very

richard's very persistent very sharp lady. One of the

sharp lady. One of the followers -- groupies. She was

followers -- groupies. She was a, you know, very eloquent,

a, you know, very eloquent, very sharp lady. One of the

very sharp lady. One of the things that she did was things

things that she did was things that she did was claiming that

that she did was claiming that she wanted to die with him and

she wanted to die with him and she would go and claiming that

she would go and claiming that she wanted to die kill herself,

she wanted to die kill herself, you know, if he was ever put to

you know, if he was ever put to death. But she with him and she

death. But she with him and she would go and kill herself, you

would go and kill herself, you know, if he was ever put to

know, if he was ever put to death. But she really liked to,

death. But she really liked to, you know, write to richard, and

you know, write to richard, and she apparently wrote very good

she apparently wrote very good really liked to, you know,

really liked to, you know, write to richard, and she

write to richard, and she apparently wrote very good

apparently wrote very good letters.

Letters. >> you know, this is los

>> you know, this is los angeles, and even then, even as

angeles, and even then, even as a young attorney, it just

a young attorney, it just seemed to be par for the

seemed to be par for the course. It's show biz, and it

course. It's show biz, and it was a distraction because it

was a distraction because it was annoying.

Was annoying. >> at that time, it was like

>> at that time, it was like letters.

Letters. >> you know, this is los

>> you know, this is los angeles, and even then, even as

angeles, and even then, even as the -- the case of the century.

The -- the case of the century. A young attorney, it just

a young attorney, it just seemed to be par for the >>

seemed to be par for the >> there was a lot of press

there was a lot of press coverage. Mostly print course.

Coverage. Mostly print course. It's show biz, and it was a

it's show biz, and it was a distraction because it was

distraction because it was annoying.

Annoying. Reporters were there. There

reporters were there. There were still photographers in the

were still photographers in the >> at that time, it was like

>> at that time, it was like the -- the case of the century.

The -- the case of the century. Courtroom. Television filmed >>

courtroom. Television filmed >> there was a lot of press

there was a lot of press coverage. Mostly print the

coverage. Mostly print the closing argument.

Closing argument. Reporters were there. There >>

reporters were there. There >> I ask the first two people,

I ask the first two people, christopher and virginia were

christopher and virginia were still photographers in the

still photographers in the petersen, please step forward.

Petersen, please step forward. Courtroom. Television filmed

courtroom. Television filmed the closing argument.

The closing argument. >> it has been over four years

>> it has been over four years since the attempted murders of

since the attempted murders of my husband and myself. An act

my husband and myself. An act >> I ask the first two people,

>> I ask the first two people, christopher and virginia that

christopher and virginia that took only seconds yet to this

took only seconds yet to this day reverberates with the

day reverberates with the petersen, please step forward.

Petersen, please step forward. >> it has been over four years

>> it has been over four years since the attempted murders of

since the attempted murders of my husband and myself. An act

my husband and myself. An act that took only seconds yet to

that took only seconds yet to this day reverberates with the

this day reverberates with the original horror.

Original horror. Original horror.

Original horror. >> many of the jurors had tears

>> many of the jurors had tears in their eyes as they listened

in their eyes as they listened to the horror.

To the horror. >> your honor, I would like to

>> your honor, I would like to add to my wife's statement. It

add to my wife's statement. It is my belief that the death

is my belief that the death penalty be given without

penalty be given without reservation.

Reservation. >> there was direct evidence.

>> there was direct evidence. Surviving victims were able to

surviving victims were able to identify ramirez and describe

identify ramirez and describe what he did. You connect his

what he did. You connect his fingerprints to a couple of the

fingerprints to a couple of the scenes. It's either ramirez

scenes. It's either ramirez doing this or that somebody

doing this or that somebody else was wearing his

else was wearing his fingerprints. The guns were

fingerprints. The guns were linked to ramirez that were

linked to ramirez that were used at the crime scenes, so

used at the crime scenes, so that's another piece of the

that's another piece of the circumstantial evidence.

Circumstantial evidence. >> and all the stolen property

>> and all the stolen property traced back to him, as well.

Traced back to him, as well. >> richard ramirez stole a lot

>> richard ramirez stole a lot of jewelry, and a lot of this

of jewelry, and a lot of this jewelry was recovered that was

jewelry was recovered that was in turn identified by either

in turn identified by either the victims or the

the victims or the victims'survivors.

Victims'survivors. >> despite all the evidence,

>> despite all the evidence, the defense team continued to

the defense team continued to argue that richard ramirez was

argue that richard ramirez was just the wrong guy, and in one

just the wrong guy, and in one case, they actually tried to

case, they actually tried to implicate the victim's family.

Implicate the victim's family. >> jack vincow discovered the

>> jack vincow discovered the body of his 79-year-old mother

body of his 79-year-old mother stabbed to death in her los

stabbed to death in her los angeles apartment, but vincow

angeles apartment, but vincow later admitted under defense

later admitted under defense cross-examination that his

cross-examination that his mother had often engaged in

mother had often engaged in loud disputes with vincow's

loud disputes with vincow's mentally-disturbed brother

mentally-disturbed brother manny.

Manny. >> we were not here to provide

>> we were not here to provide total exoneration. We're trying

total exoneration. We're trying to throw in some kind of a

to throw in some kind of a reasonable doubt, you know, and

reasonable doubt, you know, and that was our duty.

That was our duty. >> but as vincow described how

>> but as vincow described how he found his mother's body,

he found his mother's body, ramirez leaned forward and

ramirez leaned forward and smiled.

Smiled. >> he had a little smirk on his

>> he had a little smirk on his face. He was just radiating

face. He was just radiating evil. Just -- just pure

evil. Just -- just pure malevolence. I could feel waves

malevolence. I could feel waves of hatred coming out of him and

of hatred coming out of him and just pure malice. And I looked

just pure malice. And I looked at him, and I thought, "I

at him, and I thought, "I better not look at him

better not look at him anymore."

anymore." >> when he got the nickname

>> when he got the nickname "night stalker, " why not play

"night stalker, " why not play it out a little more and get

it out a little more and get some more power by scaring

some more power by scaring people in the courtroom,

people in the courtroom, creating images that would be

creating images that would be remembered decades later of his

remembered decades later of his antics in the courtroom, so he

antics in the courtroom, so he succeeded.

Succeeded. >> this was a long trial. We

>> this was a long trial. We had approximately 165 witnesses,

had approximately 165 witnesses, some 8,000 pages of transcript

some 8,000 pages of transcript or testimony that the jurors

or testimony that the jurors had to go through to reach

had to go through to reach their verdict.

Their verdict. >> and then a bizarre twist

>> and then a bizarre twist made the public wonder if

made the public wonder if richard ramirez was still

richard ramirez was still killing from behind bars.

Killing from behind bars. >> one day, one of the jurors

>> one day, one of the jurors didn't show up.

Didn't show up. >> but big deal. Death always

>> but big deal. Death always went with the territory. I'll

went with the territory. I'll see you in disneyland.

See you in disneyland. >> dark sunglasses and shackles

>> dark sunglasses and shackles -- that was richard ramirez's

-- that was richard ramirez's

>> dark sunglasses and shackles -- that was richard ramirez's

-- that was richard ramirez's daily attire throughout the

daily attire throughout the almost year-long night stalker

almost year-long night stalker trial. And from the very

trial. And from the very beginning, prosecutor philip

beginning, prosecutor philip halpin left no doubt about his

halpin left no doubt about his intentions for ramirez.

Intentions for ramirez. >> we are going to ask for the

>> we are going to ask for the death penalty.

Death penalty. >> ray clark's argument was we

>> ray clark's argument was we got to have sympathy even for

got to have sympathy even for the worst of all people. But

the worst of all people. But you're not gonna get sympathy

you're not gonna get sympathy for a guy that had done all

for a guy that had done all these horrible things.

These horrible things. >> some people would hang you

>> some people would hang you for spitting on a sidewalk. I

for spitting on a sidewalk. I wouldn't hang you for

wouldn't hang you for atrocities such as hitler did.

Atrocities such as hitler did. >> I would've argued

>> I would've argued differently. We're talking

differently. We're talking about a death penalty. We're

about a death penalty. We're gonna take somebody's life. The

gonna take somebody's life. The state is gonna execute

state is gonna execute somebody.

Somebody. >> the prosecution's argument

>> the prosecution's argument was a very methodical argument.

Was a very methodical argument. It was simply going through all

it was simply going through all the crimes, listing all of this

the crimes, listing all of this evidence that linked ramirez.

Evidence that linked ramirez. >> it was a long and tumultuous

>> it was a long and tumultuous trial. In the end, there were

trial. In the end, there were 165 witnesses and 658 pieces of

165 witnesses and 658 pieces of evidence presented before the

evidence presented before the defense and the prosecution

defense and the prosecution gave their final closing

gave their final closing arguments.

Arguments. >> as the jury was deliberating

>> as the jury was deliberating this mountain of evidence that

this mountain of evidence that they had to consider, one day,

they had to consider, one day, one of the jurors didn't show

one of the jurors didn't show up.

Up. >> then she was found dead.

>> then she was found dead. >> there was a lot of

>> there was a lot of speculation in the media that

speculation in the media that -- that the murder of this

-- that the murder of this juror was really somehow

juror was really somehow related to the case, that it

related to the case, that it was a conspiracy -- maybe,

was a conspiracy -- maybe, perhaps ramirez had followers

perhaps ramirez had followers who had done this, that ramirez

who had done this, that ramirez had somehow orchestrated this.

Had somehow orchestrated this. >> well, the rumors included me

>> well, the rumors included me as a co-conspirator. I was the

as a co-conspirator. I was the prime suspect.

Prime suspect. >> none of this was true. It

>> none of this was true. It was an act of domestic violence

was an act of domestic violence on the part of the juror's

on the part of the juror's husband. But this was all out

husband. But this was all out there, and the defense argued

there, and the defense argued that there should be a mistrial

that there should be a mistrial because they were afraid that

because they were afraid that the jurors would speculate that

the jurors would speculate that it was somehow connected to the

it was somehow connected to the case.

Case. >> you know, I thought, "oh,

>> you know, I thought, "oh, boy. If they're gonna need to

boy. If they're gonna need to declare a mistrial, that's

declare a mistrial, that's gonna be god awful."

gonna be god awful." >> an alternate juror was

>> an alternate juror was substituted in, and under

substituted in, and under california law, the jury had to

california law, the jury had to begin their deliberations all

begin their deliberations all over again.

Over again. >> after such a chaotic trial,

>> after such a chaotic trial, the jury had to deal with this

the jury had to deal with this awful distraction and the

awful distraction and the murder of one of their own. But

murder of one of their own. But in the end, they did their job.

In the end, they did their job. >> richard ramirez wasn't in

>> richard ramirez wasn't in the courtroom to hear the

the courtroom to hear the verdict against him. He opted

verdict against him. He opted to stay in his cell for what

to stay in his cell for what was a loud and clear decision.

Was a loud and clear decision. >> "we, the jury in the above

>> "we, the jury in the above entitled action, find the

entitled action, find the defendant, richard ramirez,

defendant, richard ramirez, guilty of murder."

guilty of murder." >> they came back with verdicts

>> they came back with verdicts convicting ramirez of 13 counts

convicting ramirez of 13 counts of murder, murder in the first

of murder, murder in the first degree, with various what are

degree, with various what are called special circumstances

called special circumstances making him eligible for the

making him eligible for the death penalty, and then 30

death penalty, and then 30 other felonies.

Other felonies. >> he was yelling from the

>> he was yelling from the holding cell, "I'm guilty. I

holding cell, "I'm guilty. I wanted the death penalty. I

wanted the death penalty. I want to die now."

want to die now." >> when richard ramirez was

>> when richard ramirez was found guilty, he left the

found guilty, he left the courthouse flashing the sign of

courthouse flashing the sign of satan.

Satan. >> evil.

>> evil. >> when he returned to find out

>> when he returned to find out if he would live or die, he

if he would live or die, he flashed an obscenity. The final

flashed an obscenity. The final courtroom chapter of a serial

courtroom chapter of a serial killer was played out for

killer was played out for richard ramirez. The

richard ramirez. The 29-year-old devil-worshipping

29-year-old devil-worshipping drifter from texas had been

drifter from texas had been found guilty of the heinous

found guilty of the heinous crimes. This courtroom date was

crimes. This courtroom date was to pronounce final sentencing.

To pronounce final sentencing. >> I don't think anyone was

>> I don't think anyone was surprised when the sentence was

surprised when the sentence was read.

Read. >> "we, the jury in the above

>> "we, the jury in the above entitled action, found it to be

entitled action, found it to be an intentional murder, fix the

an intentional murder, fix the penalty therefore at death."

penalty therefore at death." >> and ramirez finally spoke,

>> and ramirez finally spoke, evoking the spirit of satan

evoking the spirit of satan after a year-long trial.

After a year-long trial. >> you don't understand me. You

>> you don't understand me. You are not expected to. You are

are not expected to. You are not capable of it. I am beyond

not capable of it. I am beyond your experience. I am beyond

your experience. I am beyond good and evil. I will be

good and evil. I will be avenged. Lucifer dwells within

avenged. Lucifer dwells within us all. That's it.

Us all. That's it. >> when he was leaving the

>> when he was leaving the courtroom for the last time, he

courtroom for the last time, he made some statements.

Made some statements. >> he made it very clear he is

>> he made it very clear he is not afraid to die.

Not afraid to die. >> but big deal. Death always

>> but big deal. Death always went with the territory. I'll

went with the territory. I'll see you in disneyland.

See you in disneyland. >> as the trial ended, his time

>> as the trial ended, his time in the spotlight was over, but

in the spotlight was over, but still there was one person who

still there was one person who would stick by his side.

Would stick by his side. >> here she comes.

>> here she comes. >> she's here and walking in

>> she's here and walking in the door.

The door. >> doreen lioy was the winner

>> doreen lioy was the winner in the serious suitors that he

in the serious suitors that he had attracted during the course

had attracted during the course of the trial.

Of the trial. >> I just wanted to say I'm

>> I just wanted to say I'm ecstatically happy today and

ecstatically happy today and very, very proud to have

very, very proud to have married richard and to be his

married richard and to be his wife. And I hope that you will

wife. And I hope that you will be very respectful of the day

be very respectful of the day and let me go and enjoy my day

and let me go and enjoy my day in peace, and I appreciate your

in peace, and I appreciate your patience. Thank you.

Patience. Thank you. >> couldn't you respond to some

>> couldn't you respond to some of the allegations that you're

of the allegations that you're a recluse, that you live in a

a recluse, that you live in a fantasy world, things like that?

Fantasy world, things like that? >> no.

>> no. >> don't you want to speak to

>> don't you want to speak to us?

Us? >> can you just say why, doreen?

>> can you just say why, doreen? >> in 2009, the san francisco

>> in 2009, the san francisco police department was able to

police department was able to link an unsolved homicide of a

link an unsolved homicide of a small child.

Small child. >> once he had his dna in the

>> once he had his dna in the system, they started finding

system, they started finding out, for example, that little

out, for example, that little girl, 9-year-old that was

girl, 9-year-old that was killed in san francisco.

Killed in san francisco. >> she was killed and sexually

>> she was killed and sexually assaulted, which was a terrible

assaulted, which was a terrible case.

Case. >> doreen lioy divorced ramirez,

>> doreen lioy divorced ramirez, citing this information as the

citing this information as the reason she wanted to distance

reason she wanted to distance herself from the night stalker.

Herself from the night stalker. >> he never showed any sign of

>> he never showed any sign of remorse all through the trials.

Remorse all through the trials. He never showed any sign of

he never showed any sign of remorse whatsoever. He was just

remorse whatsoever. He was just a monster. I don't think we've

a monster. I don't think we've seen the likes of him before or

seen the likes of him before or since, and thank god for that.

Since, and thank god for that. >> since the mid-1980s, I've

>> since the mid-1980s, I've asked the correctional officers

asked the correctional officers to unchain the inmate that I

to unchain the inmate that I was going to interview so that

was going to interview so that he'd be comfortable. Richard

he'd be comfortable. Richard ramirez is the only inmate I've

ramirez is the only inmate I've interviewed for whom I did not

interviewed for whom I did not request he be freed and

request he be freed and unchained.

Unchained. >> it has put a huge detour

>> it has put a huge detour into my life. I wasn't the same

into my life. I wasn't the same person I was prior to the

person I was prior to the injury. Now it's time to pick

injury. Now it's time to pick up the pieces and keep going

up the pieces and keep going on.

On. >> he would've never stopped.

>> he would've never stopped. He would've never stopped.

He would've never stopped. >> richard ramirez continued to

>> richard ramirez continued to attract female admirers from

attract female admirers from

behind the walls of san quentin up until his end. After almost

up until his end. After almost 24 years on death row, ramirez

24 years on death row, ramirez died on June 7, 2013, at the

died on June 7, 2013, at the age of 53 -- not by execution

age of 53 -- not by execution but from complications related

but from complications related to b-cell lymphoma. Meanwhile,

to b-cell lymphoma. Meanwhile, victims'families and survivors

victims'families and survivors of the night stalkers'vicious

of the night stalkers'vicious attacks did what they could to

attacks did what they could to move forward with their lives.

Move forward with their lives. I'm donnie wahlberg. Thanks for

I'm donnie wahlberg. Thanks for watching. Good night.