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>> she was chosen. Since she
lived down the street from me,
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lived down the street from me,
I could watch the coming and
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I could watch the coming and
going quite easily. Snuck into
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going quite easily. Snuck into
the house. She wasn't there. I
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the house. She wasn't there. I
went back to one of the
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went back to one of the
bedrooms and hid. >> welcome to
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bedrooms and hid. >> welcome to
"very scary people." I'm donnie
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"very scary people." I'm donnie
wahlberg. After torturing and
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wahlberg. After torturing and
killing seven people, demented
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killing seven people, demented
serial killer btk contacted
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serial killer btk contacted
police to boast about his
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police to boast about his
brutal acts. He threatened more
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brutal acts. He threatened more
victims would follow. His real
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victims would follow. His real
identity was still a complete
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identity was still a complete
mystery. He dared cops to find
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mystery. He dared cops to find
him. The city of wichita was on
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him. The city of wichita was on
edge. Wichita police form a
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edge. Wichita police form a
secret task force of seasoned
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secret task force of seasoned
detectives to track down btk.
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Detectives to track down btk.
They need to capture him before
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they need to capture him before
he kills again. Here is part
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he kills again. Here is part
two of "btk, the taunting." >>
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two of "btk, the taunting." >>
wichita, kansas, was in the
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wichita, kansas, was in the
middle of america, and nobody
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middle of america, and nobody
locked their doors. It was a
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locked their doors. It was a
great little town to be from.
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Great little town to be from.
>> the morning of January 15,
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>> the morning of January 15,
1974, was just a regular school
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1974, was just a regular school
day in the otero household --
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day in the otero household --
until the unthinkable happens.
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Until the unthinkable happens.
An intruder enters their home
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an intruder enters their home
and commits atrocities against
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and commits atrocities against
this innocent family. >> I saw
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this innocent family. >> I saw
my parent's bodies -- it just
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my parent's bodies -- it just
felt like somebody had ripped
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felt like somebody had ripped
my chest wide open and pulled
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my chest wide open and pulled
my heart out. >> and
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my heart out. >> and
investigators are trying to
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investigators are trying to
piece together the evidence and
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piece together the evidence and
find the killer when, in April,
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find the killer when, in April,
another brutal killing. >> when
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another brutal killing. >> when
the crime-scene investigators
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the crime-scene investigators
from the dna stain on the
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from the dna stain on the
female clothing, they dna
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female clothing, they dna
testing at that time. And so
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testing at that time. And so
they packaged it properly,
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they packaged it properly,
sealed it up, and put it with
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sealed it up, and put it with
the rest of the evidence. >>
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the rest of the evidence. >>
and wichita instantly changed.
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And wichita instantly changed.
It wasn't an innocent city
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it wasn't an innocent city
anymore. >> killer breaks in.
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Anymore. >> killer breaks in.
He's lying in wait. And he's
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he's lying in wait. And he's
thinking he will be able to
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thinking he will be able to
subdue her and do whatever he
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subdue her and do whatever he
wants and fill his fantasy. >>
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wants and fill his fantasy. >>
btk studied a lot about police
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btk studied a lot about police
techniques. He knew that the
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techniques. He knew that the
police, basically, were looking
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police, basically, were looking
for a common m.O. >> the btk
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for a common m.O. >> the btk
nomenclature -- "bind, torture,
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nomenclature -- "bind, torture,
kill." and that's how he wanted
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kill." and that's how he wanted
to be known. >> so he then sits
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to be known. >> so he then sits
down and creates a very
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down and creates a very
elaborate letter that he will
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elaborate letter that he will
then send to kake-tv. >> the
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then send to kake-tv. >> the
writer, who claimed to be btk,
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writer, who claimed to be btk,
admitted to the murders of the
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admitted to the murders of the
otero family, shirley vian,
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otero family, shirley vian,
nancy fox. He admitted to and
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nancy fox. He admitted to and
gave details of all of those
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gave details of all of those
homicides. >> we have an
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homicides. >> we have an
individual who apparently has
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individual who apparently has
the uncontrollable desire to
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the uncontrollable desire to
kill at times. This individual
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kill at times. This individual
is responsible for seven
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is responsible for seven
murders in our city. >> nobody
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murders in our city. >> nobody
knew where, when, why, or who
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knew where, when, why, or who
was gonna be next. >> the idea
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was gonna be next. >> the idea
behind the ghostbusters was to
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behind the ghostbusters was to
have people that didn't have
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have people that didn't have
any impressions of the
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any impressions of the
investigation up to that point,
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investigation up to that point,
who can put some fresh eyes on
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who can put some fresh eyes on
it. >> we're gonna look at it
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it. >> we're gonna look at it
from, "hey, do we need to go
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from, "hey, do we need to go
back and out and reinterview
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back and out and reinterview
people? Could we possibly have
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people? Could we possibly have
interviewed someone with
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interviewed someone with
important information and we
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important information and we
missed it? " >> the first part
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missed it? " >> the first part
of the ghostbusters was just
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of the ghostbusters was just
getting the case together. The
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getting the case together. The
case was all over the police
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case was all over the police
department. It was in boxes, it
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department. It was in boxes, it
was in folders in people's
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was in folders in people's
houses. The ghostbusters
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houses. The ghostbusters
brought order to a dispersal of
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brought order to a dispersal of
records. >> part of the work
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records. >> part of the work
was establishing a department
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was establishing a department
database. >> we would look at,
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database. >> we would look at,
for example, there was a
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for example, there was a
certain gun â– hich was used in-%f
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certain gun â– hich was used in-%f
his who actually lived right
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his who actually lived right
down the street. >> he will cut
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down the street. >> he will cut
the phone line,
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the phone line,
>> he will cut the phone line,
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>> he will cut the phone line,
he will enter the house, and he
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he will enter the house, and he
will wait for her to come home.
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Will wait for her to come home.
>> she didn't come home for
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>> she didn't come home for
quite a while, and when she did,
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quite a while, and when she did,
she came in with a man, and the
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she came in with a man, and the
two of them were talking. >>
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two of them were talking. >>
they hang around, watch tv. He
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they hang around, watch tv. He
grows impatient as he sits in a
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grows impatient as he sits in a
closet or something, waiting
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closet or something, waiting
for her. Eventually, her date
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for her. Eventually, her date
will leave. She'll go to bed.
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Will leave. She'll go to bed.
>> and then he comes out,
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>> and then he comes out,
surprises, shocks marine hedge,
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surprises, shocks marine hedge,
and kills her. >> this one was
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and kills her. >> this one was
different, however. After he
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different, however. After he
strangled her, he removed her
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strangled her, he removed her
body and transported it from
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body and transported it from
her home to the basement of the
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her home to the basement of the
local lutheran church. He poses
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local lutheran church. He poses
the body. He photographs it.
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The body. He photographs it.
He's going to save those
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he's going to save those
souvenirs for later. And then
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souvenirs for later. And then
he throws her body in a ditch,
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he throws her body in a ditch,
so much like a piece of trash.
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So much like a piece of trash.
So his m.O. Is actually shaping
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so his m.O. Is actually shaping
and changing and morphing over
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and changing and morphing over
time. >> this is a change again
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time. >> this is a change again
in his m.O. Because he was also
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in his m.O. Because he was also
selecting an older victim
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selecting an older victim
because he was now older, and
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because he was now older, and
he wanted to be able to
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he wanted to be able to
physically control the person.
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Physically control the person.
>> btk's next murder occurred
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>> btk's next murder occurred
in 1991, with a 62-year-old
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in 1991, with a 62-year-old
victim, dolores davis. >> I had
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victim, dolores davis. >> I had
cased the place before, and I
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cased the place before, and I
really couldn't figure out how
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really couldn't figure out how
to get in, and she was in the
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to get in, and she was in the
house, so I finally just
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house, so I finally just
selected a concrete block and
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selected a concrete block and
threw it through the
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threw it through the
plate-glass window. >> he
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plate-glass window. >> he
didn't mess around on this one.
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Didn't mess around on this one.
He just threw a big block
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he just threw a big block
through the window while she
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through the window while she
was sitting there reading. And
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was sitting there reading. And
he'll attack her and kill her,
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he'll attack her and kill her,
remove her. He will take her to
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remove her. He will take her to
a bridge out in the county,
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a bridge out in the county,
under the bridge, where it will
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under the bridge, where it will
become light. He's running out
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become light. He's running out
of time, so he has to leave her,
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of time, so he has to leave her,
and he will come back the next
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and he will come back the next
night with a mask that he will
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night with a mask that he will
put on her, and he'll take
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put on her, and he'll take
pictures. That body is
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pictures. That body is
discovered by a boy waking his
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discovered by a boy waking his
dog the next day. >> by this
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dog the next day. >> by this
time, he's been killing for
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time, he's been killing for
almost 20 years or so, but now
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almost 20 years or so, but now
he's in his 40s. He's aging
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he's in his 40s. He's aging
out. He's learned from his
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out. He's learned from his
crimes. He's been fought
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crimes. He's been fought
against, overpowered. He has
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against, overpowered. He has
made a lot of mistakes. He
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made a lot of mistakes. He
wants to make sure he still
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wants to make sure he still
gets away with it.
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Gets away with it.
>> lieutenant landwehr was the
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>> lieutenant landwehr was the
homicide commander and was a
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homicide commander and was a
legend with the wichita police
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legend with the wichita police
department. Before he was a
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department. Before he was a
lieutenant, he was a patrol
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lieutenant, he was a patrol
officer, and he was assigned to
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officer, and he was assigned to
that initial ghostbusters task
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that initial ghostbusters task
force which was to look at the
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force which was to look at the
btk case. In the late'90s, our
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btk case. In the late'90s, our
homicide unit started looking
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homicide unit started looking
at some cold cases and picking
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at some cold cases and picking
out cases that might be
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out cases that might be
dna-solvable, now that we had
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dna-solvable, now that we had
this dna science coming on
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this dna science coming on
board. Lieutenant landwehr
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board. Lieutenant landwehr
assigned vicki wegerle's
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assigned vicki wegerle's
cold-case murder to myself and
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cold-case murder to myself and
my partner, dana gouge. He
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my partner, dana gouge. He
didn't say at all, nor would
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didn't say at all, nor would
have ever, "this is a btk case.
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Have ever, "this is a btk case.
I know it is. That's how I want
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I know it is. That's how I want
you to work it."
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you to work it."
>> when bill wegerle came home
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>> when bill wegerle came home
that day for lunch, he walked
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that day for lunch, he walked
through the house looking for
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through the house looking for
his wife, vicki. When he found
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his wife, vicki. When he found
her body, she had been bound.
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Her body, she had been bound.
He used a knife to cut some of
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he used a knife to cut some of
the bindings off of her as he
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the bindings off of her as he
called the police. They
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called the police. They
transported her to a hospital,
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transported her to a hospital,
and life-saving efforts didn't
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and life-saving efforts didn't
work, and she'd been strangled
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work, and she'd been strangled
to death. When we reviewed the
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to death. When we reviewed the
initial investigation of
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initial investigation of
vicki's murder, we realized
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vicki's murder, we realized
that her kansas driver's
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that her kansas driver's
license had been missing.
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License had been missing.
Lieutenant landwehr had told us
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lieutenant landwehr had told us
that his belief on the case was
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that his belief on the case was
that it probably was not the
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that it probably was not the
husband, based upon that
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husband, based upon that
driver's license being missing.
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Driver's license being missing.
However, the detectives that
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however, the detectives that
worked it in 1986 focused
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worked it in 1986 focused
really hard on the husband,
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really hard on the husband,
thinking it was a domestic
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thinking it was a domestic
violence issue. The license had
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violence issue. The license had
never been recovered.
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Never been recovered.
>> it was January of 2004,
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>> it was January of 2004,
which was the 30th anniversary
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which was the 30th anniversary
of the otero murders, and "the
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of the otero murders, and "the
wichita eagle" decided to write
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wichita eagle" decided to write
a story about btk.
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A story about btk.
>> "the eagle" ran a story,
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>> "the eagle" ran a story,
saying it had been 30 years
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saying it had been 30 years
since the first btk deaths. In
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since the first btk deaths. In
part of the story, the reporter
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part of the story, the reporter
talked to professor beattie, a
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talked to professor beattie, a
local college professor and
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local college professor and
author. When he would mention
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author. When he would mention
btk in his classes, his
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btk in his classes, his
students had no idea who btk
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students had no idea who btk
was.
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Was.
>> 30 years had passed.
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>> 30 years had passed.
>> this is sort of fading into
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>> this is sort of fading into
wichita's history, and there
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wichita's history, and there
was a lot of speculation --
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was a lot of speculation --
"well, he's probably dead, " or,
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"well, he's probably dead, " or,
"he left the state, " or, you
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"he left the state, " or, you
know, "all of this is in the
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know, "all of this is in the
past." btk read the story, and
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past." btk read the story, and
he noted in there that people
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he noted in there that people
were saying that he was dead.
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Were saying that he was dead.
Beattie said he was writing a
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beattie said he was writing a
book about this, and that
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book about this, and that
really bothered btk because he
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really bothered btk because he
felt that nobody could write
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felt that nobody could write
his story other than himself,
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his story other than himself,
that he had to be the one to do
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that he had to be the one to do
it, and this aggravated him. If
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it, and this aggravated him. If
anybody's gonna tell my story,
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anybody's gonna tell my story,
I'm gonna do it."
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I'm gonna do it."
>> when he saw that story, he
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>> when he saw that story, he
decided, "I'm back. I'm
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decided, "I'm back. I'm
starting up again." nobody in
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starting up again." nobody in
2004 expected that.
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2004 expected that.
>> so, a little while after
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>> so, a little while after
"the eagle" had its story about
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"the eagle" had its story about
the 30th anniversary of the
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the 30th anniversary of the
otero deaths, a letter came
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otero deaths, a letter came
into the newsroom, and the
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into the newsroom, and the
return address was bill thomas
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return address was bill thomas
killman, the initial as in
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killman, the initial as in
"btk." inside were three pretty
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"btk." inside were three pretty
blurry photos of somebody lying
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blurry photos of somebody lying
on a floor and a driver's
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on a floor and a driver's
license.
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License.
>> my partner dana gouge and I
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>> my partner dana gouge and I
are sitting in the homicide
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are sitting in the homicide
unit, working on cases. A
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unit, working on cases. A
captain came up to the unit and
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captain came up to the unit and
was holding an envelope in his
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was holding an envelope in his
hand, and he said that a
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hand, and he said that a
reporter from "the eagle"
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reporter from "the eagle"
newspaper said, "this is a
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newspaper said, "this is a
weird letter we got at the
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weird letter we got at the
paper. It appears to have a
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paper. It appears to have a
photocopy of three polaroid
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photocopy of three polaroid
pictures of some female laying
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pictures of some female laying
on the ground inside of a
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on the ground inside of a
house." I will never forget
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house." I will never forget
when dana gouge opened that
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when dana gouge opened that
letter. He looked at what he
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letter. He looked at what he
had in front of him, he slid it
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had in front of him, he slid it
across the desk to me, and
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across the desk to me, and
there were three polaroid
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there were three polaroid
photograph photocopies of vicki
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photograph photocopies of vicki
wegerle laying dead in her
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wegerle laying dead in her
home. Also, with those three
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home. Also, with those three
polaroids, was a photocopy of
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polaroids, was a photocopy of
her missing kansas driver's
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her missing kansas driver's
license and the initials btk.
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License and the initials btk.
That symbol was not out in the
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that symbol was not out in the
public. And seeing that btk
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public. And seeing that btk
symbol on a piece of paper with
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symbol on a piece of paper with
pictures of vicki was
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pictures of vicki was
bone-chilling.
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Bone-chilling.
>> about a week later,
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>> about a week later,
lieutenant ken landwehr, who's
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lieutenant ken landwehr, who's
in charge of the murder
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in charge of the murder
investigation, has a press
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investigation, has a press
conference.
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Conference.
>> the wichita police
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>> the wichita police
department on Friday received
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department on Friday received
information from "the wichita
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information from "the wichita
eagle" and received a letter in
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eagle" and received a letter in
the mail -- referenced the
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the mail -- referenced the
homicide of vicki wegerle on
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homicide of vicki wegerle on
September 16, 1986. The letter
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September 16, 1986. The letter
contained copies of photographs
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contained copies of photographs
and a personal item of ms.
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And a personal item of ms.
Wegerle. We've also been able
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wegerle. We've also been able
to determine that this
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to determine that this
communiqué most likely came
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communiqué most likely came
from btk.
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From btk.
>> we begin tonight with a
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>> we begin tonight with a
killer on the loose, a madman
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killer on the loose, a madman
still out there taunting police
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still out there taunting police
and reporters. He's known as
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and reporters. He's known as
the btk killer because he binds,
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the btk killer because he binds,
tortures, and kills his
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tortures, and kills his
victims. For more than 30 years,
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victims. For more than 30 years,
wichita has lived in fear of
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wichita has lived in fear of
those initials, and tonight it
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those initials, and tonight it
seems he has surfaced yet again,
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seems he has surfaced yet again,
sending new clues about who he
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sending new clues about who he
is and the lives he's taken.
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Is and the lives he's taken.
>> we were scared to death. It
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>> we were scared to death. It
was a total replay of when he
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was a total replay of when he
was killing in the'70s. Was he
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was killing in the'70s. Was he
still killing right now? And
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still killing right now? And
who was gonna be next?
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Who was gonna be next?
>> in 2004, btk is 59 years old,
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>> in 2004, btk is 59 years old,
and it's not that he's too old
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and it's not that he's too old
to murder, but, remember, it's
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to murder, but, remember, it's
the power and control that
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the power and control that
really fuels him. He launches
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really fuels him. He launches
this new cat-and-mouse game
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this new cat-and-mouse game
>> in 2004, btk is 59 years old,
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>> in 2004, btk is 59 years old,
and it's not that he's too old
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and it's not that he's too old
to murder, but, remember, it's
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to murder, but, remember, it's
the power and control that
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the power and control that
really fuels him. He launches
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really fuels him. He launches
this new cat-and-mouse game
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this new cat-and-mouse game
with the police and the local
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with the police and the local
media and the public to
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media and the public to
basically say, "this is the
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basically say, "this is the
30th year anniversary, and
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30th year anniversary, and
guess who's back? "
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guess who's back? "
>> it was even scarier because,
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>> it was even scarier because,
when he resurfaced, no one had
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when he resurfaced, no one had
known that he committed the
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known that he committed the
murder of vicki wegerle until
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murder of vicki wegerle until
he resurfaced. So then we're
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he resurfaced. So then we're
like, "what other ones are
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like, "what other ones are
there? "
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there? "
>> btk wanted attention. He
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>> btk wanted attention. He
wanted attention for his
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wanted attention for his
crimes. He wanted recognition.
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Crimes. He wanted recognition.
So lieutenant landwehr decided,
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so lieutenant landwehr decided,
"we want to set up
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"we want to set up
communication with him. We want
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communication with him. We want
to perhaps establish some sort
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to perhaps establish some sort
of connection with him."
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of connection with him."
>> kenny landwehr was a natural
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>> kenny landwehr was a natural
for that position. A lot of
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for that position. A lot of
kenny's press conferences were
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kenny's press conferences were
always planned, and it was part
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always planned, and it was part
of a plan to keep btk
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of a plan to keep btk
communicating, keep him sending
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communicating, keep him sending
information to us, keep him
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information to us, keep him
talking.
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Talking.
>> this is one of the most
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>> this is one of the most
challenging cases that I've
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challenging cases that I've
ever been involved with, and I
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ever been involved with, and I
find that the individual who is
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find that the individual who is
doing this would be very
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doing this would be very
interesting to talk to.
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Interesting to talk to.
>> those type of conversations
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>> those type of conversations
or those types of
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or those types of
communications are carefully
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communications are carefully
choreographed and scripted. You
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choreographed and scripted. You
can't make any mistakes in
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can't make any mistakes in
those situations.
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Those situations.
>> we knew that we were getting
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>> we knew that we were getting
through to him and he was
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through to him and he was
actually listening to us.
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Actually listening to us.
>> the killer unleashed a
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>> the killer unleashed a
flurry of communications to
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flurry of communications to
local media, three of them
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local media, three of them
delivered to television station
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delivered to television station
kake.
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Kake.
>> first, he sent the chapter
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>> first, he sent the chapter
book, where he wanted to write
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book, where he wanted to write
his own story.
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His own story.
>> in one of the communications
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>> in one of the communications
to station kake, the killer
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to station kake, the killer
recently detailed a list of
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recently detailed a list of
possible chapter titles, as if
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possible chapter titles, as if
he were writing his own story
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he were writing his own story
about this case.
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About this case.
>> he couldn't stand the idea
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>> he couldn't stand the idea
of someone else writing his
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of someone else writing his
story. He was also giving
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story. He was also giving
suggestions on what kind of
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suggestions on what kind of
chapters there should be in the
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chapters there should be in the
book, how to break out his
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book, how to break out his
story into different chapters
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story into different chapters
for the audience to read.
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For the audience to read.
>> the first section seems to
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>> the first section seems to
describe how the killer stalks
416
00:18:13,927 --> 00:18:15,326
describe how the killer stalks
a victim. Some words are easy
417
00:18:15,328 --> 00:18:16,828
a victim. Some words are easy
to find -- "prowl, " "spot
418
00:18:16,830 --> 00:18:17,462
to find -- "prowl, " "spot
victim, " "follow, "
419
00:18:17,464 --> 00:18:17,795
victim, " "follow, "
"fantasies."
420
00:18:17,797 --> 00:18:19,363
"fantasies."
>> the names of the chapters
421
00:18:19,365 --> 00:18:20,098
>> the names of the chapters
were even frightening, let
422
00:18:20,100 --> 00:18:20,998
were even frightening, let
alone the 13th chapter, "will
423
00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:21,566
alone the 13th chapter, "will
there be more? "
424
00:18:21,568 --> 00:18:25,136
there be more? "
>> he had obviously put a lot
425
00:18:25,138 --> 00:18:26,971
>> he had obviously put a lot
of thought into this. The
426
00:18:26,973 --> 00:18:28,039
of thought into this. The
question was, "how did he want
427
00:18:28,041 --> 00:18:30,508
question was, "how did he want
his story to end? " that's the
428
00:18:30,510 --> 00:18:32,076
his story to end? " that's the
one thing nobody knew, and then
429
00:18:32,078 --> 00:18:33,111
one thing nobody knew, and then
nobody knew what he had in
430
00:18:33,113 --> 00:18:33,511
nobody knew what he had in
mind.
431
00:18:33,513 --> 00:18:39,784
Mind.
>> another mysterious postcard
432
00:18:39,786 --> 00:18:43,087
>> another mysterious postcard
sent to kake today, one that
433
00:18:43,089 --> 00:18:43,688
sent to kake today, one that
could be from btk.
434
00:18:43,690 --> 00:18:45,022
Could be from btk.
>> then, after the puzzles came
435
00:18:45,024 --> 00:18:48,526
>> then, after the puzzles came
the postcards, the postcards to
436
00:18:48,528 --> 00:18:49,894
the postcards, the postcards to
kake tv with clues. "go to the
437
00:18:49,896 --> 00:18:52,296
kake tv with clues. "go to the
corner of this street and this
438
00:18:52,298 --> 00:18:53,965
corner of this street and this
street, and there you will find
439
00:18:53,967 --> 00:18:54,832
street, and there you will find
a cereal box under a stop sign.
440
00:18:54,834 --> 00:18:55,600
A cereal box under a stop sign.
In the cereal box will be
441
00:18:55,602 --> 00:18:57,635
in the cereal box will be
another clue." well, we sent a
442
00:18:57,637 --> 00:18:59,203
another clue." well, we sent a
reporter right out there. Sure
443
00:18:59,205 --> 00:19:00,037
reporter right out there. Sure
enough, there was a cereal box.
444
00:19:00,039 --> 00:19:03,508
Enough, there was a cereal box.
>> inside of the cereal box,
445
00:19:03,510 --> 00:19:07,612
>> inside of the cereal box,
there were several things, but
446
00:19:07,614 --> 00:19:11,249
there were several things, but
the most disturbing thing was a
447
00:19:11,251 --> 00:19:12,383
the most disturbing thing was a
doll, almost like a barbie-type
448
00:19:12,385 --> 00:19:14,719
doll, almost like a barbie-type
doll, bound the way that btk
449
00:19:14,721 --> 00:19:16,254
doll, bound the way that btk
had bound the little otero girl
450
00:19:16,256 --> 00:19:19,023
had bound the little otero girl
in the basement. We're all very
451
00:19:19,025 --> 00:19:19,824
in the basement. We're all very
seasoned homicide detectives,
452
00:19:19,826 --> 00:19:20,358
seasoned homicide detectives,
and we were all shocked.
453
00:19:20,360 --> 00:19:39,010
And we were all shocked.
>> recent communications from
454
00:19:39,012 --> 00:19:39,810
>> recent communications from
btk have included several items
455
00:19:39,812 --> 00:19:49,954
btk have included several items
of jewelry. There was jewelry
456
00:19:49,956 --> 00:19:50,788
of jewelry. There was jewelry
included in the post toasties
457
00:19:50,790 --> 00:19:52,924
included in the post toasties
box that was left on north
458
00:19:52,926 --> 00:19:57,228
box that was left on north
seneca street, as well in
459
00:19:57,230 --> 00:19:59,096
seneca street, as well in
communication number 7, in the
460
00:19:59,098 --> 00:20:01,232
communication number 7, in the
package received yesterday by
461
00:20:01,234 --> 00:20:01,732
package received yesterday by
ksas fox 24.
462
00:20:01,734 --> 00:20:10,107
Ksas fox 24.
>> the postcard in there talked
463
00:20:10,109 --> 00:20:10,875
>> the postcard in there talked
about some of the crimes and
464
00:20:10,877 --> 00:20:11,943
about some of the crimes and
also commented that the media
465
00:20:11,945 --> 00:20:12,910
also commented that the media
or the police haven't talked
466
00:20:12,912 --> 00:20:13,678
or the police haven't talked
about the home depot drop he
467
00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:28,759
about the home depot drop he
made. Btk had pulled into the
468
00:20:28,761 --> 00:20:29,527
made. Btk had pulled into the
parking lot of a home depot,
469
00:20:29,529 --> 00:20:30,027
parking lot of a home depot,
put a cereal box in an
470
00:20:30,029 --> 00:20:30,595
put a cereal box in an
employee's truck bed. The
471
00:20:30,597 --> 00:20:31,262
employee's truck bed. The
employee found it, called
472
00:20:31,264 --> 00:20:31,929
employee found it, called
dispatch, who called me, and we
473
00:20:31,931 --> 00:20:32,763
dispatch, who called me, and we
went and recovered that, and it
474
00:20:32,765 --> 00:20:33,564
went and recovered that, and it
was more taunting with dolls
475
00:20:33,566 --> 00:20:34,398
was more taunting with dolls
and stolen jewelry. On the plus
476
00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:35,099
and stolen jewelry. On the plus
side, home depot had cameras
477
00:20:35,101 --> 00:20:35,800
side, home depot had cameras
covering their parking lot.
478
00:20:35,802 --> 00:21:02,460
Covering their parking lot.
>> they had to shut down their
479
00:21:02,462 --> 00:21:03,127
>> they had to shut down their
store and their system in order
480
00:21:03,129 --> 00:21:03,761
store and their system in order
to obtain videotape. You can't
481
00:21:03,763 --> 00:21:04,362
to obtain videotape. You can't
see him, but you can see the
482
00:21:04,364 --> 00:21:04,962
see him, but you can see the
car come in, you can see an
483
00:21:04,964 --> 00:21:05,596
car come in, you can see an
individual get out of the car,
484
00:21:05,598 --> 00:21:11,068
individual get out of the car,
and then you can see something
485
00:21:11,070 --> 00:21:11,902
and then you can see something
being placed in the pickup of
486
00:21:11,904 --> 00:21:12,570
being placed in the pickup of
this employee, and then the car
487
00:21:12,572 --> 00:21:13,170
this employee, and then the car
drives off. Detective ralph,
488
00:21:13,172 --> 00:21:13,738
drives off. Detective ralph,
who knew a lot about cars,
489
00:21:13,740 --> 00:21:14,405
who knew a lot about cars,
tried to identify the car.
490
00:21:14,407 --> 00:21:15,439
Tried to identify the car.
>> we had captured his vehicle
491
00:21:15,441 --> 00:21:17,074
>> we had captured his vehicle
at a home depot, and we know
492
00:21:17,076 --> 00:21:18,909
at a home depot, and we know
from the photograph that he was
493
00:21:18,911 --> 00:21:19,610
from the photograph that he was
driving a jeep cherokee.
494
00:21:19,612 --> 00:21:22,546
Driving a jeep cherokee.
>> that was the very first
495
00:21:22,548 --> 00:21:24,282
>> that was the very first
piece of evidence from btk that
496
00:21:24,284 --> 00:21:26,717
piece of evidence from btk that
we got on our own, that wasn't
497
00:21:26,719 --> 00:21:29,854
we got on our own, that wasn't
given to us, and that was a
498
00:21:29,856 --> 00:21:30,454
given to us, and that was a
huge breakthrough.
499
00:21:30,456 --> 00:21:35,993
Huge breakthrough.
>> welcome back to "very scary
500
00:21:35,995 --> 00:21:36,294
>> welcome back to "very scary
501
00:21:52,077 --> 00:21:53,344
>> welcome back to "very scary
people." btk had disappeared,
502
00:21:53,346 --> 00:21:54,011
people." btk had disappeared,
no sign of him for more than 10
503
00:21:54,013 --> 00:21:54,712
no sign of him for more than 10
years, but now he was back --
504
00:21:54,714 --> 00:21:55,379
years, but now he was back --
the taunting, the cat-and-mouse
505
00:21:55,381 --> 00:21:56,013
the taunting, the cat-and-mouse
games. The citizens of wichita
506
00:21:56,015 --> 00:21:57,548
games. The citizens of wichita
are terrified. Btk thinks he
507
00:21:57,550 --> 00:21:58,983
are terrified. Btk thinks he
has the upper hand, but all
508
00:21:58,985 --> 00:21:59,684
has the upper hand, but all
that is about to change.
509
00:21:59,686 --> 00:22:02,920
That is about to change.
>> he was writing to the police
510
00:22:02,922 --> 00:22:05,990
>> he was writing to the police
department every once in awhile,
511
00:22:05,992 --> 00:22:13,431
department every once in awhile,
saying, "I'm gonna take out an
512
00:22:13,433 --> 00:22:15,132
saying, "I'm gonna take out an
ad in the classifieds, and I'm
513
00:22:15,134 --> 00:22:21,339
ad in the classifieds, and I'm
gonna give you a clue." so
514
00:22:21,341 --> 00:22:22,006
gonna give you a clue." so
lieutenant landwehr would read
515
00:22:22,008 --> 00:22:36,821
lieutenant landwehr would read
the classifieds and would
516
00:22:36,823 --> 00:22:37,621
the classifieds and would
answer him in the classifieds.
517
00:22:37,623 --> 00:22:38,222
Answer him in the classifieds.
>> one of the communications
518
00:22:38,224 --> 00:22:38,856
>> one of the communications
that he sent us, btk asked if
519
00:22:38,858 --> 00:22:39,490
that he sent us, btk asked if
we could trace a floppy disk.
520
00:22:39,492 --> 00:22:40,124
We could trace a floppy disk.
And in that communication, he
521
00:22:40,126 --> 00:22:40,624
and in that communication, he
asked us to be honest.
522
00:22:40,626 --> 00:22:41,726
Asked us to be honest.
>> he writes, "be honest." now,
523
00:22:41,728 --> 00:22:42,793
>> he writes, "be honest." now,
I don't know what he was
524
00:22:42,795 --> 00:22:43,627
I don't know what he was
thinking, if he had bumped his
525
00:22:43,629 --> 00:22:44,428
thinking, if he had bumped his
head that day or what the hell
526
00:22:44,430 --> 00:22:45,529
head that day or what the hell
he was thinking, so he asked us
527
00:22:45,531 --> 00:22:46,430
he was thinking, so he asked us
to put it in the paper, "rex,
528
00:22:46,432 --> 00:22:47,331
to put it in the paper, "rex,
it will be okay." and so we put
529
00:22:47,333 --> 00:22:48,132
it will be okay." and so we put
in the paper, "rex, it will be
530
00:22:48,134 --> 00:22:48,366
in the paper, "rex, it will be
okay."
531
00:22:48,368 --> 00:23:10,321
okay."
>> that was meant to be, "oh,
532
00:23:10,323 --> 00:23:10,955
>> that was meant to be, "oh,
don't worry about it. We would
533
00:23:10,957 --> 00:23:11,589
don't worry about it. We would
never be able to trace that."
534
00:23:11,591 --> 00:23:11,989
never be able to trace that."
so he sends it.
535
00:23:11,991 --> 00:23:12,656
So he sends it.
>> the amusing thing to me was,
536
00:23:12,658 --> 00:23:13,324
>> the amusing thing to me was,
is that he told law enforcement
537
00:23:13,326 --> 00:23:13,958
is that he told law enforcement
to be honest, and we weren't.
538
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:14,692
To be honest, and we weren't.
>> I head out to pick up the
539
00:23:14,694 --> 00:23:15,459
>> I head out to pick up the
package. We get to the fox
540
00:23:15,461 --> 00:23:16,594
package. We get to the fox
station. There's more jewelry
541
00:23:16,596 --> 00:23:17,361
station. There's more jewelry
in it, there's a note in it,
542
00:23:17,363 --> 00:23:17,962
in it, there's a note in it,
and the floppy disk. We rush
543
00:23:17,964 --> 00:23:26,937
and the floppy disk. We rush
the floppy disk to our computer
544
00:23:26,939 --> 00:23:27,772
the floppy disk to our computer
guy. Randy stone, the computer
545
00:23:27,774 --> 00:23:28,406
guy. Randy stone, the computer
guy, puts it in the computer.
546
00:23:28,408 --> 00:23:29,039
Guy, puts it in the computer.
>> when I think about it, you
547
00:23:29,041 --> 00:23:29,673
>> when I think about it, you
still get goose bumps, because
548
00:23:29,675 --> 00:23:31,742
still get goose bumps, because
I was present when the disk
549
00:23:31,744 --> 00:23:32,576
I was present when the disk
went into the computer. The
550
00:23:32,578 --> 00:23:33,778
went into the computer. The
mistake that btk made was he
551
00:23:33,780 --> 00:23:34,612
mistake that btk made was he
made a copy of that test file,
552
00:23:34,614 --> 00:23:53,631
made a copy of that test file,
and once he copied it, it
553
00:23:53,633 --> 00:23:54,398
and once he copied it, it
locked in identifiers in the
554
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:55,032
locked in identifiers in the
computer gibberish. I vividly
555
00:23:55,034 --> 00:23:55,666
computer gibberish. I vividly
recall going through, and then
556
00:23:55,668 --> 00:23:56,333
recall going through, and then
you see "dennis, " and then you
557
00:23:56,335 --> 00:23:56,967
you see "dennis, " and then you
see "christ lutheran church."
558
00:23:56,969 --> 00:23:57,668
see "christ lutheran church."
the message on the disk had
559
00:23:57,670 --> 00:23:58,569
the message on the disk had
been created at the christ
560
00:23:58,571 --> 00:23:59,437
been created at the christ
lutheran church in park city.
561
00:23:59,439 --> 00:24:00,237
Lutheran church in park city.
We used google and googled the
562
00:24:00,239 --> 00:24:00,838
we used google and googled the
church. It shows the church,
563
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:22,092
church. It shows the church,
where it's at in park city, and
564
00:24:22,094 --> 00:24:22,893
where it's at in park city, and
then it shows the officers of
565
00:24:22,895 --> 00:24:23,494
then it shows the officers of
the church, and dennis rader
566
00:24:23,496 --> 00:24:23,928
the church, and dennis rader
was listed as the
567
00:24:23,930 --> 00:24:24,628
was listed as the
congregational president.
568
00:24:24,630 --> 00:24:25,262
Congregational president.
>> sure enough, right there --
569
00:24:25,264 --> 00:24:25,930
>> sure enough, right there --
"president of the congregation,
570
00:24:25,932 --> 00:24:26,864
"president of the congregation,
dennis rader." they had their
571
00:24:26,866 --> 00:24:27,231
dennis rader." they had their
man.
572
00:24:27,233 --> 00:24:34,205
Man.
>> once they said the name
573
00:24:34,207 --> 00:24:35,039
>> once they said the name
dennis, I can tell you, some of
574
00:24:35,041 --> 00:24:35,639
dennis, I can tell you, some of
us were already cheating our
575
00:24:35,641 --> 00:24:36,440
us were already cheating our
way to the car'cause we knew we
576
00:24:36,442 --> 00:24:36,774
way to the car'cause we knew we
were going.
577
00:24:36,776 --> 00:24:38,742
Were going.
>> detectives leave the wichita
578
00:24:38,744 --> 00:24:43,481
>> detectives leave the wichita
police department, drive up to
579
00:24:43,483 --> 00:24:44,315
police department, drive up to
park city, go to his house, and
580
00:24:44,317 --> 00:24:44,982
park city, go to his house, and
see, in the driveway, parked is
581
00:24:44,984 --> 00:24:45,616
see, in the driveway, parked is
the vehicle that they'd picked
582
00:24:45,618 --> 00:24:46,250
the vehicle that they'd picked
up on the video from the home
583
00:24:46,252 --> 00:24:48,752
up on the video from the home
depot parking lot. Now they
584
00:24:48,754 --> 00:24:50,354
depot parking lot. Now they
know that that is the vehicle,
585
00:24:50,356 --> 00:24:51,121
know that that is the vehicle,
and it's just one more piece
586
00:24:51,123 --> 00:24:52,523
and it's just one more piece
confirming that they're on the
587
00:24:52,525 --> 00:24:53,023
confirming that they're on the
right track.
588
00:24:53,025 --> 00:25:00,231
Right track.
>> once detective ralph and
589
00:25:00,233 --> 00:25:01,198
>> once detective ralph and
detective snyder found the
590
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:02,399
detective snyder found the
black jeep cherokee in the
591
00:25:02,401 --> 00:25:03,701
black jeep cherokee in the
driveway, we were fairly,
592
00:25:03,703 --> 00:25:07,137
driveway, we were fairly,
fairly confident that this was
593
00:25:07,139 --> 00:25:07,938
fairly confident that this was
our guy, this dennis rader guy
594
00:25:07,940 --> 00:25:08,539
our guy, this dennis rader guy
was btk. I can tell you that
595
00:25:08,541 --> 00:25:15,746
was btk. I can tell you that
detective ralph was ready and a
596
00:25:15,748 --> 00:25:16,547
detective ralph was ready and a
couple of us were prepared to
597
00:25:16,549 --> 00:25:17,181
couple of us were prepared to
help him park down the street,
598
00:25:17,183 --> 00:25:17,848
help him park down the street,
walk up, knock on the door, and
599
00:25:17,850 --> 00:25:18,415
walk up, knock on the door, and
when he comes to the door,
600
00:25:18,417 --> 00:25:18,916
when he comes to the door,
we're gonna grab him.
601
00:25:18,918 --> 00:25:19,483
We're gonna grab him.
Lieutenant landwehr said,
602
00:25:19,485 --> 00:25:33,731
lieutenant landwehr said,
"we're not gonna do that. I
603
00:25:33,733 --> 00:25:34,498
"we're not gonna do that. I
need somebody to sit on the
604
00:25:34,500 --> 00:25:35,032
need somebody to sit on the
house. We're gonna send
605
00:25:35,034 --> 00:25:35,666
house. We're gonna send
undercover people up to start
606
00:25:35,668 --> 00:25:36,200
undercover people up to start
surveillance, and I need
607
00:25:36,202 --> 00:25:36,867
surveillance, and I need
everybody else to come back to
608
00:25:36,869 --> 00:25:37,701
everybody else to come back to
the task force office so we can
609
00:25:37,703 --> 00:25:38,536
the task force office so we can
figure out how we're gonna do
610
00:25:38,538 --> 00:25:38,836
figure out how we're gonna do
this."
611
00:25:38,838 --> 00:25:39,537
this."
>> this is the killer? What
612
00:25:39,539 --> 00:25:40,337
>> this is the killer? What
kind of background or history
613
00:25:40,339 --> 00:25:41,038
kind of background or history
does this person have? What
614
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:42,006
does this person have? What
kind of twisted life has this
615
00:25:42,008 --> 00:25:42,506
kind of twisted life has this
person led?
616
00:25:42,508 --> 00:25:46,076
Person led?
>> dennis rader was born in
617
00:25:46,078 --> 00:25:47,344
>> dennis rader was born in
1945 in kansas, and his family
618
00:25:47,346 --> 00:25:49,914
1945 in kansas, and his family
to park city, kansas. He had
619
00:25:49,916 --> 00:25:50,714
to park city, kansas. He had
three younger brothers. He was
620
00:25:50,716 --> 00:25:51,348
three younger brothers. He was
the oldest, and that was very
621
00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:57,555
the oldest, and that was very
important to him, and that he
622
00:25:57,557 --> 00:25:58,322
important to him, and that he
thought of himself as a very
623
00:25:58,324 --> 00:25:58,722
thought of himself as a very
responsible son.
624
00:25:58,724 --> 00:26:05,663
Responsible son.
>> we don't have any evidence
625
00:26:05,665 --> 00:26:06,497
>> we don't have any evidence
at all that he was horrifically
626
00:26:06,499 --> 00:26:07,531
at all that he was horrifically
abused. He had married parents.
627
00:26:07,533 --> 00:26:08,699
Abused. He had married parents.
As far as we could tell,
628
00:26:08,701 --> 00:26:10,434
as far as we could tell,
nothing bad ever happened to
629
00:26:10,436 --> 00:26:11,068
nothing bad ever happened to
young dennis rader.
630
00:26:11,070 --> 00:26:14,605
Young dennis rader.
>> at the same time, he had
631
00:26:14,607 --> 00:26:16,073
>> at the same time, he had
early on this penchant for
632
00:26:16,075 --> 00:26:16,874
early on this penchant for
doing a couple of things that
633
00:26:16,876 --> 00:26:18,676
doing a couple of things that
were somewhat unusual. Someone
634
00:26:18,678 --> 00:26:19,910
were somewhat unusual. Someone
in the family had these "true
635
00:26:19,912 --> 00:26:21,145
in the family had these "true
detective" type magazines from
636
00:26:21,147 --> 00:26:22,146
detective" type magazines from
the 1950s, where you would see
637
00:26:22,148 --> 00:26:23,013
the 1950s, where you would see
women on the cover. Maybe they
638
00:26:23,015 --> 00:26:24,081
women on the cover. Maybe they
were tied up or maybe they were
639
00:26:24,083 --> 00:26:25,182
were tied up or maybe they were
looking at an attacker who was
640
00:26:25,184 --> 00:26:26,550
looking at an attacker who was
off-screen in horror, and he
641
00:26:26,552 --> 00:26:31,155
off-screen in horror, and he
was exposed to them, and he
642
00:26:31,157 --> 00:26:31,889
was exposed to them, and he
found them stimulating. He
643
00:26:31,891 --> 00:26:59,617
found them stimulating. He
started making drawings of sort
644
00:26:59,619 --> 00:27:00,384
started making drawings of sort
of mummy-like figures where
645
00:27:00,386 --> 00:27:01,051
of mummy-like figures where
there would be women with lines
646
00:27:01,053 --> 00:27:01,652
there would be women with lines
across them, as if they were
647
00:27:01,654 --> 00:27:02,019
across them, as if they were
being tied up.
648
00:27:02,021 --> 00:27:02,586
Being tied up.
>> he talked about, from a
649
00:27:02,588 --> 00:27:03,220
>> he talked about, from a
young age, some family members
650
00:27:03,222 --> 00:27:04,054
young age, some family members
being out on a farm where they
651
00:27:04,056 --> 00:27:04,955
being out on a farm where they
had killed a chicken and that
652
00:27:04,957 --> 00:27:05,723
had killed a chicken and that
chicken had to be tied to a
653
00:27:05,725 --> 00:27:06,523
chicken had to be tied to a
stump before they cut its head
654
00:27:06,525 --> 00:27:07,291
stump before they cut its head
off, and he described being
655
00:27:07,293 --> 00:27:07,691
off, and he described being
aroused by that.
656
00:27:07,693 --> 00:27:10,995
Aroused by that.
>> he was aware from a very
657
00:27:10,997 --> 00:27:12,796
>> he was aware from a very
young age that he had these
658
00:27:12,798 --> 00:27:13,564
young age that he had these
sexual fantasies which were
659
00:27:13,566 --> 00:27:14,531
sexual fantasies which were
completely abnormal, that he
660
00:27:14,533 --> 00:27:27,578
completely abnormal, that he
was what outsiders would call
661
00:27:27,580 --> 00:27:28,245
was what outsiders would call
perverted, that he had
662
00:27:28,247 --> 00:27:28,812
perverted, that he had
paraphilias and urges that
663
00:27:28,814 --> 00:27:30,080
paraphilias and urges that
nobody else shared, and he
664
00:27:30,082 --> 00:27:34,218
nobody else shared, and he
fostered them. He didn't talk
665
00:27:34,220 --> 00:27:35,019
fostered them. He didn't talk
to others about them. He never
666
00:27:35,021 --> 00:27:35,619
to others about them. He never
went to a psychiatrist or a
667
00:27:35,621 --> 00:27:36,253
went to a psychiatrist or a
psychologist to try to figure
668
00:27:36,255 --> 00:27:37,821
psychologist to try to figure
out where these urges were
669
00:27:37,823 --> 00:27:38,656
out where these urges were
coming from. He simply harbored
670
00:27:38,658 --> 00:27:39,823
coming from. He simply harbored
them and knew that, some day,
671
00:27:39,825 --> 00:27:40,491
them and knew that, some day,
he would act on them.
672
00:27:40,493 --> 00:27:45,195
He would act on them.
>> this wasn't any kind of
673
00:27:45,197 --> 00:27:45,496
>> this wasn't any kind of
674
00:27:48,533 --> 00:27:50,601
sn't some great intellectual.
But dennis rader was one thing.
675
00:27:50,603 --> 00:27:55,172
But dennis rader was one thing.
He was a monster. There's no
676
00:27:55,174 --> 00:27:55,973
he was a monster. There's no
other way that you could
677
00:27:55,975 --> 00:27:56,640
other way that you could
describe what he did.
678
00:27:56,642 --> 00:28:05,215
Describe what he did.
>> dennis rader was married to
679
00:28:05,217 --> 00:28:06,517
>> dennis rader was married to
paula in 1971. They would have
680
00:28:06,519 --> 00:28:09,653
paula in 1971. They would have
two children. From what we know,
681
00:28:09,655 --> 00:28:10,454
two children. From what we know,
he was a devoted father and
682
00:28:10,456 --> 00:28:10,721
he was a devoted father and
husband.
683
00:28:10,723 --> 00:28:12,289
Husband.
>> dennis rader's long-time
684
00:28:12,291 --> 00:28:12,956
>> dennis rader's long-time
jobs -- and he had two of them,
685
00:28:12,958 --> 00:28:21,732
jobs -- and he had two of them,
really -- were working as a
686
00:28:21,734 --> 00:28:22,533
really -- were working as a
crew chief for adt security --
687
00:28:22,535 --> 00:28:23,133
crew chief for adt security --
a job where he got to wear a
688
00:28:23,135 --> 00:28:23,701
a job where he got to wear a
uniform and be a security
689
00:28:23,703 --> 00:28:24,468
uniform and be a security
expert -- and then later, of
690
00:28:24,470 --> 00:28:25,736
expert -- and then later, of
course, the compliance officer
691
00:28:25,738 --> 00:28:26,837
course, the compliance officer
for the town where he lived,
692
00:28:26,839 --> 00:28:28,072
for the town where he lived,
where he went around basically
693
00:28:28,074 --> 00:28:40,818
where he went around basically
enforcing codes on barking dogs
694
00:28:40,820 --> 00:28:41,618
enforcing codes on barking dogs
and how high your grass is and
695
00:28:41,620 --> 00:28:42,186
and how high your grass is and
whether or not you have an
696
00:28:42,188 --> 00:28:42,786
whether or not you have an
unregistered vehicle in your
697
00:28:42,788 --> 00:28:43,087
unregistered vehicle in your
driveway.
698
00:28:43,089 --> 00:28:43,754
Driveway.
>> dennis rader was also a very
699
00:28:43,756 --> 00:28:44,388
>> dennis rader was also a very
steadfast member of his church
700
00:28:44,390 --> 00:28:45,089
steadfast member of his church
for decades, christ lutheran
701
00:28:45,091 --> 00:28:46,290
for decades, christ lutheran
church. By January of 2005, he
702
00:28:46,292 --> 00:28:48,258
church. By January of 2005, he
had become the president of the
703
00:28:48,260 --> 00:28:49,626
had become the president of the
congregation, and that means
704
00:28:49,628 --> 00:28:54,164
congregation, and that means
taking care of a lot of
705
00:28:54,166 --> 00:28:57,267
taking care of a lot of
business and running council
706
00:28:57,269 --> 00:28:58,535
business and running council
meetings and all of that. So he
707
00:28:58,537 --> 00:29:00,938
meetings and all of that. So he
could not have had a higher
708
00:29:00,940 --> 00:29:01,739
could not have had a higher
standing inside of his faith.
709
00:29:01,741 --> 00:29:04,608
Standing inside of his faith.
>> it was like, "oh, my god.
710
00:29:04,610 --> 00:29:11,782
>> it was like, "oh, my god.
This is the person who's been
711
00:29:11,784 --> 00:29:12,516
this is the person who's been
doing this, this guy who's
712
00:29:12,518 --> 00:29:13,417
doing this, this guy who's
hyper-religious involved with
713
00:29:13,419 --> 00:29:14,752
hyper-religious involved with
his church and loves the boy
714
00:29:14,754 --> 00:29:16,353
his church and loves the boy
scouts and does all this? This
715
00:29:16,355 --> 00:29:16,920
scouts and does all this? This
is the killer? "
716
00:29:16,922 --> 00:29:20,324
is the killer? "
>> he was busy. I mean, his son
717
00:29:20,326 --> 00:29:21,125
>> he was busy. I mean, his son
was an eagle scout. He used to
718
00:29:21,127 --> 00:29:23,827
was an eagle scout. He used to
take his son to all those
719
00:29:23,829 --> 00:29:24,695
take his son to all those
camp-outs they'd have to do.
720
00:29:24,697 --> 00:29:25,696
Camp-outs they'd have to do.
His daughter was also involved
721
00:29:25,698 --> 00:29:28,365
his daughter was also involved
in all kinds of things, and he
722
00:29:28,367 --> 00:29:29,366
in all kinds of things, and he
was involved in her life, as
723
00:29:29,368 --> 00:29:30,367
was involved in her life, as
well. We knew he had to be
724
00:29:30,369 --> 00:29:31,769
well. We knew he had to be
involved in his own life, and
725
00:29:31,771 --> 00:29:54,358
involved in his own life, and
matter of fact, we stated the
726
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:55,192
matter of fact, we stated the
reason he stopped was because
727
00:29:55,194 --> 00:29:55,826
reason he stopped was because
life caught up with him. I was
728
00:29:55,828 --> 00:29:56,460
life caught up with him. I was
not surprised that he was able
729
00:29:56,462 --> 00:29:57,094
not surprised that he was able
to compartmentalize this away
730
00:29:57,096 --> 00:29:57,728
to compartmentalize this away
from his family so his family
731
00:29:57,730 --> 00:29:58,061
from his family so his family
had no idea.
732
00:29:58,063 --> 00:30:11,308
Had no idea.
>> this is not uncommon for
733
00:30:11,310 --> 00:30:12,543
>> this is not uncommon for
these serial killers to talk
734
00:30:12,545 --> 00:30:13,811
these serial killers to talk
about having the good and the
735
00:30:13,813 --> 00:30:14,611
about having the good and the
bad side, or the evil side and
736
00:30:14,613 --> 00:30:15,279
bad side, or the evil side and
the good side. I mean, they do
737
00:30:15,281 --> 00:30:17,214
the good side. I mean, they do
dichotomize themselves. I've
738
00:30:17,216 --> 00:30:29,459
dichotomize themselves. I've
even had one serial killer that
739
00:30:29,461 --> 00:30:30,260
even had one serial killer that
had himself in three different
740
00:30:30,262 --> 00:30:30,861
had himself in three different
parts -- you know, his work
741
00:30:30,863 --> 00:30:31,495
parts -- you know, his work
life, his home life, and then
742
00:30:31,497 --> 00:30:33,163
life, his home life, and then
his killing life. So they are
743
00:30:33,165 --> 00:30:33,897
his killing life. So they are
able to compartmentalize.
744
00:30:33,899 --> 00:30:34,531
Able to compartmentalize.
That's a tactic that they have
745
00:30:34,533 --> 00:30:35,132
that's a tactic that they have
that they're able to do, and
746
00:30:35,134 --> 00:30:35,766
that they're able to do, and
they kind of pride themselves
747
00:30:35,768 --> 00:30:35,999
they kind of pride themselves
on it.
748
00:30:36,001 --> 00:30:36,700
On it.
>> law enforcement went about
749
00:30:36,702 --> 00:30:37,301
>> law enforcement went about
stalking dennis rader for a
750
00:30:37,303 --> 00:30:37,901
stalking dennis rader for a
week. We had like a war room
751
00:30:37,903 --> 00:30:38,535
week. We had like a war room
where we started investigating
752
00:30:38,537 --> 00:30:38,769
where we started investigating
rader.
753
00:30:38,771 --> 00:30:45,342
Rader.
>> we went back to the task
754
00:30:45,344 --> 00:30:46,143
>> we went back to the task
force and sat around and began
755
00:30:46,145 --> 00:30:46,743
force and sat around and began
to discuss what our plan was
756
00:30:46,745 --> 00:30:47,077
to discuss what our plan was
going to be.
757
00:30:47,079 --> 00:30:47,945
Going to be.
>> lieutenant landwehr says,
758
00:30:47,947 --> 00:30:56,019
>> lieutenant landwehr says,
"what we need is dna. Now, we
759
00:30:56,021 --> 00:30:56,887
"what we need is dna. Now, we
have those three dna samples
760
00:30:56,889 --> 00:30:57,788
have those three dna samples
that we have been in storage
761
00:30:57,790 --> 00:30:58,989
that we have been in storage
for now 31 years -- the otero
762
00:30:58,991 --> 00:31:00,123
for now 31 years -- the otero
crime scene, the fox crime
763
00:31:00,125 --> 00:31:01,291
crime scene, the fox crime
scene, and the wegerle crime
764
00:31:01,293 --> 00:31:01,725
scene, and the wegerle crime
scene."
765
00:31:01,727 --> 00:31:05,295
scene."
>> we're talking about
766
00:31:05,297 --> 00:31:06,496
>> we're talking about
following him, seeing if he'll
767
00:31:06,498 --> 00:31:07,297
following him, seeing if he'll
drop a fork in a restaurant or
768
00:31:07,299 --> 00:31:10,567
drop a fork in a restaurant or
if he'd smoke a cigarette and
769
00:31:10,569 --> 00:31:12,002
if he'd smoke a cigarette and
throw it down. By this time, we
770
00:31:12,004 --> 00:31:13,637
throw it down. By this time, we
knew dennis rader had a
771
00:31:13,639 --> 00:31:15,405
knew dennis rader had a
daughter and his daughter had
772
00:31:15,407 --> 00:31:17,507
daughter and his daughter had
attended college at kansas
773
00:31:17,509 --> 00:31:18,742
attended college at kansas
state university. One of the
774
00:31:18,744 --> 00:31:20,711
state university. One of the
agents that was working with us
775
00:31:20,713 --> 00:31:21,945
agents that was working with us
knew that campus and said they
776
00:31:21,947 --> 00:31:22,579
knew that campus and said they
had a women's clinic on campus
777
00:31:22,581 --> 00:31:24,047
had a women's clinic on campus
for the students. Maybe we can
778
00:31:24,049 --> 00:31:24,848
for the students. Maybe we can
look for the pap smear of her?
779
00:31:24,850 --> 00:31:26,283
Look for the pap smear of her?
>> we had a lot of discussion
780
00:31:26,285 --> 00:31:27,651
>> we had a lot of discussion
about it, and, ultimately, the
781
00:31:27,653 --> 00:31:28,886
about it, and, ultimately, the
decision was made that the
782
00:31:28,888 --> 00:31:30,888
decision was made that the
privacy interests were
783
00:31:30,890 --> 00:31:34,091
privacy interests were
outweighed by the
784
00:31:34,093 --> 00:31:35,459
outweighed by the
law-enforcement interests in
785
00:31:35,461 --> 00:31:37,527
law-enforcement interests in
catching a serial killer. We
786
00:31:37,529 --> 00:31:39,329
catching a serial killer. We
had presented it to a judge-->
787
00:31:39,331 --> 00:31:44,368
had presented it to a judge-->
caption #895 to get court
788
00:31:44,370 --> 00:31:49,139
caption #895 to get court
approval, and then we were able
789
00:31:49,141 --> 00:31:50,007
approval, and then we were able
to obtain that pap smear and do
790
00:31:50,009 --> 00:31:50,440
to obtain that pap smear and do
that reverse dna.
791
00:31:50,442 --> 00:31:50,974
That reverse dna.
>> about 24 hours later,
792
00:31:50,976 --> 00:31:52,042
>> about 24 hours later,
lieutenant landwehr took a
793
00:31:52,044 --> 00:31:54,645
lieutenant landwehr took a
phone call from the dna
794
00:31:54,647 --> 00:31:55,579
phone call from the dna
scientist who said, "I can't
795
00:31:55,581 --> 00:31:56,713
scientist who said, "I can't
tell you that dennis rader is
796
00:31:56,715 --> 00:31:58,148
tell you that dennis rader is
your killer, but I can tell you
797
00:31:58,150 --> 00:32:00,317
your killer, but I can tell you
that the father of kerri rader
798
00:32:00,319 --> 00:32:02,119
that the father of kerri rader
is btk. And then we had our dna
799
00:32:02,121 --> 00:32:02,519
is btk. And then we had our dna
match.
800
00:32:02,521 --> 00:32:05,923
Match.
801
00:32:21,372 --> 00:32:22,639
>> when we got that dna sample
back, we planned the arrest.
802
00:32:22,641 --> 00:32:23,407
Back, we planned the arrest.
The plan was three cars would
803
00:32:23,409 --> 00:32:24,074
the plan was three cars would
take him down on the side of
804
00:32:24,076 --> 00:32:24,975
take him down on the side of
the road, we'd attempt to
805
00:32:24,977 --> 00:32:26,276
the road, we'd attempt to
arrest him. If he would've
806
00:32:26,278 --> 00:32:27,878
arrest him. If he would've
resisted, it'd have been a bad
807
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:28,412
resisted, it'd have been a bad
day for him.
808
00:32:28,414 --> 00:32:29,513
Day for him.
>> these things are now moving
809
00:32:29,515 --> 00:32:32,282
>> these things are now moving
very quickly. It was planned
810
00:32:32,284 --> 00:32:33,050
very quickly. It was planned
and orchestrated. Everything
811
00:32:33,052 --> 00:32:33,617
and orchestrated. Everything
was in order.
812
00:32:33,619 --> 00:32:38,255
Was in order.
>> dennis rader gets up, goes
813
00:32:38,257 --> 00:32:39,656
>> dennis rader gets up, goes
through his routine, gets in
814
00:32:39,658 --> 00:32:41,158
through his routine, gets in
his truck, and goes about his
815
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:42,826
his truck, and goes about his
job that morning. He always
816
00:32:42,828 --> 00:32:43,627
job that morning. He always
leaves for lunch at exactly
817
00:32:43,629 --> 00:32:46,697
leaves for lunch at exactly
12:15 to go home. Takes him two
818
00:32:46,699 --> 00:32:47,364
12:15 to go home. Takes him two
minutes to get there.
819
00:32:47,366 --> 00:32:52,002
Minutes to get there.
>> they'd done enough
820
00:32:52,004 --> 00:32:52,970
>> they'd done enough
surveillance and were very
821
00:32:52,972 --> 00:32:54,871
surveillance and were very
familiar with his routine by
822
00:32:54,873 --> 00:32:56,239
familiar with his routine by
this point. He came down the
823
00:32:56,241 --> 00:32:57,374
this point. He came down the
road. He was coming from work.
824
00:32:57,376 --> 00:32:58,308
Road. He was coming from work.
The truck went down the road,
825
00:32:58,310 --> 00:32:59,109
the truck went down the road,
and I slammed my car in drive.
826
00:32:59,111 --> 00:33:02,946
And I slammed my car in drive.
>> police cars pull in around
827
00:33:02,948 --> 00:33:03,580
>> police cars pull in around
him, stop him, tell him to get
828
00:33:03,582 --> 00:33:03,947
him, stop him, tell him to get
out.
829
00:33:03,949 --> 00:33:06,249
Out.
>> we got him out of the car,
830
00:33:06,251 --> 00:33:07,317
>> we got him out of the car,
we put him on the ground, and
831
00:33:07,319 --> 00:33:08,885
we put him on the ground, and
we handcuffed him. We stood him
832
00:33:08,887 --> 00:33:11,755
we handcuffed him. We stood him
up. And in the very back of our
833
00:33:11,757 --> 00:33:12,522
up. And in the very back of our
line of our police cars was
834
00:33:12,524 --> 00:33:14,257
line of our police cars was
lieutenant landwehr in the back
835
00:33:14,259 --> 00:33:17,995
lieutenant landwehr in the back
seat of a ford taurus. Dennis
836
00:33:17,997 --> 00:33:21,064
seat of a ford taurus. Dennis
rader was put in the back seat
837
00:33:21,066 --> 00:33:21,832
rader was put in the back seat
right next to kenny landwehr.
838
00:33:21,834 --> 00:33:23,767
Right next to kenny landwehr.
>> and they look at each other.
839
00:33:23,769 --> 00:33:25,936
>> and they look at each other.
"hello, mr. Landwehr." "hello,
840
00:33:25,938 --> 00:33:28,271
"hello, mr. Landwehr." "hello,
mr. Rader." landwehr says, "do
841
00:33:28,273 --> 00:33:29,406
mr. Rader." landwehr says, "do
you know why you're here? " he
842
00:33:29,408 --> 00:33:36,046
you know why you're here? " he
says, "I have a pretty good
843
00:33:36,048 --> 00:33:36,413
says, "I have a pretty good
idea."
844
00:33:36,415 --> 00:33:37,114
idea."
>> we had staged the interview
845
00:33:37,116 --> 00:33:37,814
>> we had staged the interview
with dennis rader far in
846
00:33:37,816 --> 00:33:43,720
with dennis rader far in
advance of him being in that
847
00:33:43,722 --> 00:33:46,089
advance of him being in that
room. We had a camera and
848
00:33:46,091 --> 00:33:52,062
room. We had a camera and
obviously audio and video
849
00:33:52,064 --> 00:33:52,696
obviously audio and video
recording going on.
850
00:33:52,698 --> 00:33:58,769
Recording going on.
>> literally, in 3 hours and 15
851
00:33:58,771 --> 00:33:59,970
>> literally, in 3 hours and 15
minutes, it got to a point
852
00:33:59,972 --> 00:34:01,304
minutes, it got to a point
where ken was finally talking
853
00:34:01,306 --> 00:34:03,974
where ken was finally talking
to him about dna and where we
854
00:34:03,976 --> 00:34:04,608
to him about dna and where we
could get dna from.
855
00:34:04,610 --> 00:34:06,309
Could get dna from.
>> I know that btk is the
856
00:34:06,311 --> 00:34:09,846
>> I know that btk is the
father of your children -- of
857
00:34:09,848 --> 00:34:12,849
father of your children -- of
your children. I know that. No
858
00:34:12,851 --> 00:34:18,188
your children. I know that. No
doubt. It's a done deal. The
859
00:34:18,190 --> 00:34:18,755
doubt. It's a done deal. The
tests were done.
860
00:34:18,757 --> 00:34:23,026
Tests were done.
>> he basically said, "well,
861
00:34:23,028 --> 00:34:24,061
>> he basically said, "well,
you got me, " and he still
862
00:34:24,063 --> 00:34:25,128
you got me, " and he still
wouldn't say it. So I finally
863
00:34:25,130 --> 00:34:27,898
wouldn't say it. So I finally
looked at him and said, "come
864
00:34:27,900 --> 00:34:28,665
looked at him and said, "come
on, dennis, just tell us who
865
00:34:28,667 --> 00:34:29,599
on, dennis, just tell us who
you are. Say who you are. Why
866
00:34:29,601 --> 00:34:30,267
you are. Say who you are. Why
don't you just say it? "
867
00:34:30,269 --> 00:34:33,070
don't you just say it? "
>> I'm btk.
868
00:34:33,072 --> 00:34:37,107
>> I'm btk.
>> you're btk.
869
00:34:37,109 --> 00:34:41,912
>> you're btk.
>> we begin tonight with
870
00:34:41,914 --> 00:34:42,746
>> we begin tonight with
breaking news in the case. We
871
00:34:42,748 --> 00:34:44,681
breaking news in the case. We
have just learned that dennis
872
00:34:44,683 --> 00:34:45,849
have just learned that dennis
rader has now been booked into
873
00:34:45,851 --> 00:34:46,583
rader has now been booked into
the sedgwick county jail.
874
00:34:46,585 --> 00:34:48,919
The sedgwick county jail.
>> rader has been charged with
875
00:34:48,921 --> 00:34:50,087
>> rader has been charged with
10 counts now of first-degree
876
00:34:50,089 --> 00:34:50,520
10 counts now of first-degree
murder.
877
00:34:50,522 --> 00:34:51,955
Murder.
>> today is a very historic day
878
00:34:51,957 --> 00:34:53,256
>> today is a very historic day
for the wichita police
879
00:34:53,258 --> 00:34:54,024
for the wichita police
department. Btk is arrested.
880
00:34:54,026 --> 00:34:56,560
Department. Btk is arrested.
>> once he was caught and they
881
00:34:56,562 --> 00:34:57,594
>> once he was caught and they
did the search of his house,
882
00:34:57,596 --> 00:34:59,563
did the search of his house,
then in the crawlspace area, he
883
00:34:59,565 --> 00:35:02,132
then in the crawlspace area, he
had a big ziplock bag that had
884
00:35:02,134 --> 00:35:04,468
had a big ziplock bag that had
stuff from dolores and marine,
885
00:35:04,470 --> 00:35:05,268
stuff from dolores and marine,
and he had several polaroids.
886
00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:07,804
And he had several polaroids.
>> he had things in his home,
887
00:35:07,806 --> 00:35:08,672
>> he had things in his home,
and that's why people had
888
00:35:08,674 --> 00:35:09,573
and that's why people had
speculated how could the wife
889
00:35:09,575 --> 00:35:12,042
speculated how could the wife
not know. And it's because most
890
00:35:12,044 --> 00:35:13,243
not know. And it's because most
of the stuff was behind false
891
00:35:13,245 --> 00:35:15,412
of the stuff was behind false
drawers or false walls, so
892
00:35:15,414 --> 00:35:15,846
drawers or false walls, so
hidden.
893
00:35:15,848 --> 00:35:24,888
Hidden.
>> he told us about the cabinet
894
00:35:24,890 --> 00:35:26,256
>> he told us about the cabinet
in his office. The top drawer
895
00:35:26,258 --> 00:35:36,299
in his office. The top drawer
was work stuff. We opened the
896
00:35:36,301 --> 00:35:43,907
was work stuff. We opened the
bottom drawer, and it was full
897
00:35:43,909 --> 00:35:45,675
bottom drawer, and it was full
of btk memorabilia -- newspaper
898
00:35:45,677 --> 00:35:48,078
of btk memorabilia -- newspaper
clippings, some of his original
899
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:49,913
clippings, some of his original
pictures, some of his original
900
00:35:49,915 --> 00:35:52,048
pictures, some of his original
1970s letter to the cops. He
901
00:35:52,050 --> 00:35:52,816
1970s letter to the cops. He
called it "the mother lode."
902
00:35:52,818 --> 00:35:55,552
called it "the mother lode."
>> he was really prolific. He
903
00:35:55,554 --> 00:35:58,588
>> he was really prolific. He
used to take photographs of
904
00:35:58,590 --> 00:36:00,690
used to take photographs of
himself. He would half-bury
905
00:36:00,692 --> 00:36:01,825
himself. He would half-bury
himself. He would swing from
906
00:36:01,827 --> 00:36:03,093
himself. He would swing from
trees. He would put masks on.
907
00:36:03,095 --> 00:36:04,594
Trees. He would put masks on.
He would put women's clothing
908
00:36:04,596 --> 00:36:05,695
he would put women's clothing
on. It was despicable,
909
00:36:05,697 --> 00:36:06,863
on. It was despicable,
disgusting, sexually
910
00:36:06,865 --> 00:36:08,064
disgusting, sexually
bereft-type of stuff that you
911
00:36:08,066 --> 00:36:10,000
bereft-type of stuff that you
have never seen in your life
912
00:36:10,002 --> 00:36:12,702
have never seen in your life
and you don't ever want to see
913
00:36:12,704 --> 00:36:13,904
and you don't ever want to see
again. And that was all
914
00:36:13,906 --> 00:36:14,604
again. And that was all
involved with that case.
915
00:36:14,606 --> 00:36:16,072
Involved with that case.
>> in our minds, as this was
916
00:36:16,074 --> 00:36:19,809
>> in our minds, as this was
discussed and kind of profiled
917
00:36:19,811 --> 00:36:22,045
discussed and kind of profiled
down at the behavioral science
918
00:36:22,047 --> 00:36:24,214
down at the behavioral science
unit, was really his art. And
919
00:36:24,216 --> 00:36:25,048
unit, was really his art. And
he does a lot in what we call
920
00:36:25,050 --> 00:36:26,883
he does a lot in what we call
the expressive style. He really
921
00:36:26,885 --> 00:36:27,384
the expressive style. He really
likes that.
922
00:36:27,386 --> 00:36:34,658
Likes that.
>> he actually entered pleas of
923
00:36:34,660 --> 00:36:44,834
>> he actually entered pleas of
guilty to the 10 homicides, and
924
00:36:44,836 --> 00:36:46,536
guilty to the 10 homicides, and
so judge waller had rader
925
00:36:46,538 --> 00:36:50,006
so judge waller had rader
describe the murders at his
926
00:36:50,008 --> 00:36:52,242
describe the murders at his
guilty plea, and I believe
927
00:36:52,244 --> 00:36:54,344
guilty plea, and I believe
dennis rader was more than
928
00:36:54,346 --> 00:36:56,479
dennis rader was more than
happy to describe what he had
929
00:36:56,481 --> 00:36:56,880
happy to describe what he had
done.
930
00:36:56,882 --> 00:36:59,549
Done.
>> when you went into the house,
931
00:36:59,551 --> 00:37:00,016
>> when you went into the house,
what happened then?
932
00:37:00,018 --> 00:37:01,751
What happened then?
>> well, I confronted the
933
00:37:01,753 --> 00:37:02,552
>> well, I confronted the
family. I pulled the pistol,
934
00:37:02,554 --> 00:37:03,220
family. I pulled the pistol,
confronted mr. Otero.
935
00:37:03,222 --> 00:37:05,422
Confronted mr. Otero.
>> that day we went to court
936
00:37:05,424 --> 00:37:07,824
>> that day we went to court
and we listened to the
937
00:37:07,826 --> 00:37:10,227
and we listened to the
testimony about how my family
938
00:37:10,229 --> 00:37:13,263
testimony about how my family
was killed, it was very, very
939
00:37:13,265 --> 00:37:13,663
was killed, it was very, very
hard.
940
00:37:13,665 --> 00:37:16,866
Hard.
>> I didn't have a mask on or
941
00:37:16,868 --> 00:37:18,235
>> I didn't have a mask on or
anything. They already could
942
00:37:18,237 --> 00:37:18,668
anything. They already could
I.D. Me.
943
00:37:18,670 --> 00:37:20,036
I.D. Me.
>> it was once again that
944
00:37:20,038 --> 00:37:21,171
>> it was once again that
feeling of my chest being
945
00:37:21,173 --> 00:37:22,439
feeling of my chest being
ripped open, had come back to
946
00:37:22,441 --> 00:37:22,806
ripped open, had come back to
me.
947
00:37:22,808 --> 00:37:26,276
Me.
>> and made a decision to go
948
00:37:26,278 --> 00:37:27,077
>> and made a decision to go
ahead and -- and put'em down.
949
00:37:27,079 --> 00:37:34,251
Ahead and -- and put'em down.
>> he recited them like he was
950
00:37:34,253 --> 00:37:36,920
>> he recited them like he was
reading a book. And that was
951
00:37:36,922 --> 00:37:37,520
reading a book. And that was
spine-chilling.
952
00:37:37,522 --> 00:37:51,935
Spine-chilling.
>> everybody asks me, "do you
953
00:37:51,937 --> 00:37:53,370
>> everybody asks me, "do you
forgive him? " all I can say is
954
00:37:53,372 --> 00:37:57,240
forgive him? " all I can say is
I can't lie to you -- no. As
955
00:37:57,242 --> 00:37:58,875
I can't lie to you -- no. As
far as his punishment goes, I
956
00:37:58,877 --> 00:38:00,577
far as his punishment goes, I
hope he lives a long rotten
957
00:38:00,579 --> 00:38:02,612
hope he lives a long rotten
life. You know, I don't forgive
958
00:38:02,614 --> 00:38:05,248
life. You know, I don't forgive
him. I know that's a problem I
959
00:38:05,250 --> 00:38:07,651
him. I know that's a problem I
have as a christian. The lord
960
00:38:07,653 --> 00:38:08,385
have as a christian. The lord
knows how I feel about it.
961
00:38:08,387 --> 00:38:11,288
Knows how I feel about it.
>> when I hear the name "dennis
962
00:38:11,290 --> 00:38:13,189
>> when I hear the name "dennis
rader, " the first thing that
963
00:38:13,191 --> 00:38:15,792
rader, " the first thing that
comes to mind is disgust.
964
00:38:15,794 --> 00:38:17,427
Comes to mind is disgust.
Dennis rader has never really
965
00:38:17,429 --> 00:38:18,528
dennis rader has never really
truly apologized for anything
966
00:38:18,530 --> 00:38:21,197
truly apologized for anything
he's done, has never truly
967
00:38:21,199 --> 00:38:24,367
he's done, has never truly
apologized to the
968
00:38:24,369 --> 00:38:25,201
apologized to the
victims'families, has never, I
969
00:38:25,203 --> 00:38:27,337
victims'families, has never, I
feel, felt remorse for what he
970
00:38:27,339 --> 00:38:27,537
feel, felt remorse for what he
did.
971
00:38:27,539 --> 00:38:34,577
Did.
>> it was a great family. My
972
00:38:34,579 --> 00:38:37,213
>> it was a great family. My
mom was great, she really was
973
00:38:37,215 --> 00:38:39,282
mom was great, she really was
-- and my dad. And that's why,
974
00:38:39,284 --> 00:38:40,984
-- and my dad. And that's why,
when I do these interviews, one
975
00:38:40,986 --> 00:38:42,452
when I do these interviews, one
of the reasons why is just, for
976
00:38:42,454 --> 00:38:44,621
of the reasons why is just, for
one instant, my family, who've
977
00:38:44,623 --> 00:38:46,423
one instant, my family, who've
been gone for almost 40 years
978
00:38:46,425 --> 00:38:49,592
been gone for almost 40 years
now, they're relevant again in
979
00:38:49,594 --> 00:38:53,196
now, they're relevant again in
today's society. They existed,
980
00:38:53,198 --> 00:38:54,564
today's society. They existed,
and the world knows they
981
00:38:54,566 --> 00:38:56,499
and the world knows they
existed, and they didn't just
982
00:38:56,501 --> 00:38:58,168
existed, and they didn't just
get erased from life and swept
983
00:38:58,170 --> 00:39:01,705
get erased from life and swept
under the carpet. They were
984
00:39:01,707 --> 00:39:04,174
under the carpet. They were
somebody, and they were worthy
985
00:39:04,176 --> 00:39:06,543
somebody, and they were worthy
of life, you know? And, to me,
986
00:39:06,545 --> 00:39:07,143
of life, you know? And, to me,
that's important.
987
00:39:07,145 --> 00:39:13,016
That's important.
>> dennis rader was sentenced
988
00:39:13,018 --> 00:39:15,819
>> dennis rader was sentenced
to 10 life sentences, all run
989
00:39:15,821 --> 00:39:17,654
to 10 life sentences, all run
consecutive to one another, so
990
00:39:17,656 --> 00:39:19,956
consecutive to one another, so
he'll die in prison. He is in
991
00:39:19,958 --> 00:39:21,624
he'll die in prison. He is in
the el dorado correctional
992
00:39:21,626 --> 00:39:22,092
the el dorado correctional
facility.
993
00:39:22,094 --> 00:39:24,627
Facility.
>> the first question that
994
00:39:24,629 --> 00:39:25,995
>> the first question that
people would ask, "why can't
995
00:39:25,997 --> 00:39:28,932
people would ask, "why can't
you get the death penalty for
996
00:39:28,934 --> 00:39:31,701
you get the death penalty for
him? " I'll say, "oh, because
997
00:39:31,703 --> 00:39:32,936
him? " I'll say, "oh, because
there was no death penalty for
998
00:39:32,938 --> 00:39:35,505
there was no death penalty for
those times and places where
999
00:39:35,507 --> 00:39:37,540
those times and places where
these incidents occurred." this
1000
00:39:37,542 --> 00:39:38,942
these incidents occurred." this
was somebody that should not
1001
00:39:38,944 --> 00:39:40,744
was somebody that should not
have lived. I wish we'd had the
1002
00:39:40,746 --> 00:39:41,711
have lived. I wish we'd had the
death penalty for him. After
1003
00:39:41,713 --> 00:39:42,212
death penalty for him. After
what he did?
1004
00:39:42,214 --> 00:39:46,950
What he did?
>> he liked what he did. It may
1005
00:39:46,952 --> 00:39:48,485
>> he liked what he did. It may
be something that's hard for us
1006
00:39:48,487 --> 00:39:50,019
be something that's hard for us
to grasp, why a person would
1007
00:39:50,021 --> 00:39:51,588
to grasp, why a person would
want to do that, but he enjoyed
1008
00:39:51,590 --> 00:39:53,423
want to do that, but he enjoyed
it. It wasn't his parents'fault,
1009
00:39:53,425 --> 00:39:54,824
it. It wasn't his parents'fault,
wasn't society's fault. He just
1010
00:39:54,826 --> 00:39:56,226
wasn't society's fault. He just
liked doing what he was doing
1011
00:39:56,228 --> 00:40:04,934
liked doing what he was doing
and wished he could've done it
1012
00:40:04,936 --> 00:40:06,736
and wished he could've done it
more. It's what he wanted to do,
1013
00:40:06,738 --> 00:40:08,805
more. It's what he wanted to do,
it's what he wanted to be, and
1014
00:40:08,807 --> 00:40:12,108
it's what he wanted to be, and
if he had his choice, that's
1015
00:40:12,110 --> 00:40:15,578
if he had his choice, that's
who he would be, not the dennis
1016
00:40:15,580 --> 00:40:20,717
who he would be, not the dennis
raider the
1017
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:24,954
raider the
husband/father/compliance
1018
00:40:24,956 --> 00:40:27,323
husband/father/compliance
officer. He wanted to be btk
1019
00:40:27,325 --> 00:40:27,924
officer. He wanted to be btk
the serial killer.
1020
00:40:27,926 --> 00:40:28,758
The serial killer.
>> after dennis rader's arrest,
1021
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:29,893
>> after dennis rader's arrest,
his wife was granted an
1022
00:40:29,895 --> 00:40:31,561
his wife was granted an
emergency divorce. Over the
1023
00:40:31,563 --> 00:40:33,363
emergency divorce. Over the
years, his daughter has
1024
00:40:33,365 --> 00:40:35,532
years, his daughter has
exchanged letters with her
1025
00:40:35,534 --> 00:40:37,400
exchanged letters with her
father, searching for some kind
1026
00:40:37,402 --> 00:40:39,436
father, searching for some kind
of explanation for his horrible
1027
00:40:39,438 --> 00:40:41,104
of explanation for his horrible
deeds, if something violent
1028
00:40:41,106 --> 00:40:42,605
deeds, if something violent
happened to him during his
1029
00:40:42,607 --> 00:40:44,274
happened to him during his
childhood, but rader has always
1030
00:40:44,276 --> 00:40:45,608
childhood, but rader has always
insisted he was never
1031
00:40:45,610 --> 00:40:47,177
insisted he was never
physically or sexually abused
1032
00:40:47,179 --> 00:40:47,944
physically or sexually abused
as a child. Lieutenant kenny
1033
00:40:47,946 --> 00:40:49,345
as a child. Lieutenant kenny
landwehr was determined to get
1034
00:40:49,347 --> 00:40:50,680
landwehr was determined to get
his man, and he did. Many
1035
00:40:50,682 --> 00:40:52,549
his man, and he did. Many
credit him as the reason rader
1036
00:40:52,551 --> 00:40:54,984
credit him as the reason rader
was finally captured. A true
1037
00:40:54,986 --> 00:40:56,719
was finally captured. A true
hero, landwehr died in 2014
1038
00:40:56,721 --> 00:40:58,221
hero, landwehr died in 2014
after a battle with cancer. I'm
1039
00:40:58,223 --> 00:41:00,156
after a battle with cancer. I'm
donnie wahlberg. Thanks for
1040
00:41:00,158 --> 00:41:06,762
donnie wahlberg. Thanks for
watching. Good night.
100086