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All right, let's see what O.J. can do.
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He's got it up and he holds it good enough
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to get a call from the referee.
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O.J. Simpson stands up
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and that one is hit hard to left.
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High enough, wind helps, it's gone.
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Watch this.
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Tell me how many right-handers
you've ever seen do this,
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pick off the five ten.
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Juice is moving 'em out.
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He's gotta good run going.
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Ready for the hurdle, this is gonna
be a good time for O.J. Simpson.
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Ladies and gentleman,
thank you for your patience.
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I have just a few final
instructions that I need to give
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to you before you start your
deliberations on this matter.
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You are reminded that
you must not be influenced
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by mere sentiment, sympathy,
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passion, prejudice,
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public opinion, or public feeling.
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Both the prosecution and
the defendant have a right
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to expect that you will
conscientiously consider and weigh
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all the evidence,
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apply the law as I have instructed you
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and reach a just verdict
regardless of the consequences.
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There's a rough rule of thumb
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for jury deliberations.
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One day of deliberation
for each week of trial.
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So, we all settle in and we think, okay.
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We're gonna be here awhile.
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All the lawyers on the case
were going to do something
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that first day that the jury was out,
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because everyone knew
we had at least one day.
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It was Johnnie's birthday.
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He and his wife had
taken a one-day excursion
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up to the wine country,
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and I called Johnnie from the courtroom.
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I said, "Jay, Jay, we got a verdict."
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He said, "What?!"
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"We got a verdict, man."
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We reached the verdict.
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We were happy about that.
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After more than eight months of testimony,
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more than 100 witnesses
and more than 45,000 pages
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of court transcripts, the jurors,
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who'd been advised not
to talk about the case
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since it began, came to their decision
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over the course of a morning's work.
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We had to go home.
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That's all I got to say.
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We'd been gone a year.
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We had to come home.
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Being held up for nine months,
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I wouldn't want that.
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But why don't we talk
about a couple of things
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that may be on our mind?
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They did not deliberate.
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I truly was offended.
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267 days.
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That's how long the trial lasted.
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1,105 pieces of evidence.
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45,000 pages of trial
transcript from 133 witnesses.
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How the hell did you deliberate
for three and a half hours?
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How many days was it again?
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267 days.
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266 nights.
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266 nights I went back
to that room, alone.
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Wasn't able to talk to other jurors.
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Wasn't able to talk to family.
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Nobody but me and my thoughts.
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I waited til the end to
come up with a decision,
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but each night that I went home
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after listening to testimony,
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I stored that.
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By the end of that
trial, I knew where I was.
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And it was clear.
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O.J. was extremely emotional.
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Puts his hand on the
glass like you see on TV,
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and he said, "Look guys,
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if it is guilty, I never
wanna see you guys again.
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Don't come see me in prison,
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because your lives are gonna be changing,
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and what am I gonna say?
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My life is the same as
what it was yesterday.
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Same as it's gonna be tomorrow.
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Nothing will ever change.
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So, I don't wanna see
you guys again, ever."
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We got there around 3:30 in the morning.
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By 6 o'clock it was just very crowded.
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People everywhere.
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Policemen everywhere.
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We were underneath the
criminal courts building,
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in case there was trouble.
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They brought in police on horseback,
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as if they were preparing for a riot.
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Why don't you get the fuck out
of here, you fucking asshole?
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I had reporters coming to my front door,
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and I had really had it.
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Can I fucking hit him?
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No.
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I think part of me knew which
way that verdict was going.
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For a trial that seemed to go on forever,
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the fact that it will end
has produced a national surge
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of adrenaline.
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Did you have a rather sleepless night
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last night, Mr. Garcetti?
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Sleepless night? I had my
usual four hours' sleep.
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I have to fully admit,
I thought he was guilty.
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I thought it was obvious he was guilty.
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So I thought the jury agreed with me.
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And the record should reflect
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that we have now been
rejoined by all the members
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of our jury panel and our alternates.
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All right, Mrs. Robertson,
do you have the envelope
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with the sealed verdict, please?
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Yes, Your Honor.
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All right, would you give
those to Deputy Trower?
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The Judge had admonished
us not to say a word,
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not to make a sound,
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not to move, not to do anything
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but sit there and listen to the verdict.
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All right, Mr. Simpson,
would you please stand
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and face the jury?
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In the matter of The People
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of the State of California
vs Orenthal James Simpson,
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case number BA097211.
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We, the jury, in the
above entitled action find
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the defendant Orenthal James
Simpson not guilty of the crime
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of murder in violation of
penal code section 187a,
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a felony upon Nicole Brown Simpson,
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as charged in account...
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It was almost like an
out of body experience.
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I had a feeling of numbness.
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Did this really happen?
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They really did it, they acquitted him.
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They really did it, they
walked him out the door.
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Johnnie is in back of
O.J. and Johnnie's saying,
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"Juice, you're going home,"
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and he's putting his
head against his back.
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"You're going home,
Juice, you're going home!"
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It was fabulous.
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I actually thought I
might pass out from shock.
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I was so astonished.
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Orenthal James Simpson,
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not guilty of the crime of murder
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upon Ronald Lyle Goldman.
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One of the young guys,
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either one of the Goldman
families or the Brown family,
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he said, "Murderer, murderer."
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I was focused on Kim Goldman.
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Convicted of at least one crime of murder
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of the first degree and
one or more crimes of murder
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of the first or second
degree to be not true.
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It hurt me to know that I
had to hurt somebody else
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like that, and I didn't want to.
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My mom and dad, just stoic.
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I'm the more emotional one.
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There was this deputy there,
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and I was like, "Can I leave?"
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And she goes, "You can't leave."
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The other piece of this
was that kind of moment
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of triumphant Simpson.
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I remember thinking that that gesture,
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that's a competitor.
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He had been through a big ordeal.
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He fought hard and he'd won.
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One of the jurors, I believe
it was juror number six,
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a male black, stood in the jury box
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and raised his fist like this.
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What?
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This was a guy who presented
as the most mild mannered,
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and then we find out,
yeah, he was a member
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of the Black Panthers, years ago.
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Later, I was talking
with the Deputy Sheriff.
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He had taken jurors to
where they were released.
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So glad to be back, I'm free.
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He said, "All across this parking lot,
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there was high fives
and cheers and smiles."
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He said, "I heard it over and over.
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That was payback for Rodney King."
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We the jury find the defendant not guilty
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of the crime of assault
with a deadly weapon.
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Do you think that there were members
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of the jury that voted to acquit O.J.
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because of Rodney King?
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Yes.
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You do?
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Yes.
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How many of you think felt that way?
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Oh, probably 90% of them.
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90%?
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Did you feel that way?
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Yes.
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That was payback?
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Uh-huh.
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You think that's right?
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The majority of the world
or the majority of Americans
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think that we're a group of
idiots who didn't get it right.
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I think that the jury was
made to be the scapegoat
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for their faults.
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It was a mistake to present
Fuhrman the way they did.
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It was a mistake to
let Darden get up there
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and be a part of that case.
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Had they come correct,
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had they had the right attorneys up there
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putting on the case
that they need to put on,
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they would've won.
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It wasn't payback.
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They messed up.
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It may have been payback,
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but it wasn't payback for
anything that happened recently.
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It was payback for what's
happened over the last 400 years.
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It was payback for how black
people are treated in America.
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I believe that that was on the minds of
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every black person in America.
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In the matter of The People of the State
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of California vs Orenthal James Simpson,
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case number BA097211.
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We, the jury, in the
above entitled action,
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find the defendant Orenthal
James Simpson not guilty.
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There was joy.
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You could hear it in the
barbershop or the beauty salon
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or in the classroom at the school,
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on the streets.
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A release of breath, exhaling.
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The Juice is loose!
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He's loose! He's loose!
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Free at last, free at
last, thank God almighty,
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I'm free at last.
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It was like that day Jackie Robinson
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opened the door for black players.
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This trial tapped into the
racial history of Los Angeles.
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I didn't realize how much it tapped
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into the national pain of race relations.
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... finds Orenthal James
Simpson not guilty...
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It was all so much bigger than we were,
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so much bigger.
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I think the black
jubilation was very offensive
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and very hurtful.
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Who laughing now, ya know who did it?
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My family did it, the races of America.
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Those films of African-Americans cheering
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and whites crying,
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it put a huge red line across society.
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Certainly, the resentment
that African-Americans
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have toward whites
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was shocking.
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It was absolutely shocking.
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Now you know how it feels.
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We are flush with illustrations
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where we have been the victims
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of what you consider
to be racial thinking.
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And that's why your moment of joy
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may only be a moment.
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That's why you seize your moment of joy,
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because tomorrow sorrow.
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To actually have a black
man found not guilty,
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when every other black man who's ever been
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blamed for anything like that
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or anything near something
like that, has been killed.
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This is indicative of progress,
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regardless of what you think about him.
263
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It was like wow, things have changed,
264
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somewhat.
265
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I just really hoped that,
266
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probably in a terribly pollyannish way,
267
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I really hoped we had come some distance.
268
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My white neighbors, people
I'd grown up with all my life,
269
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the person I talked to every single day,
270
00:16:59,152 --> 00:17:03,021
just stopped speaking to
me because of this trial.
271
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I received hate mail.
272
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They would send the
hate mail to the court.
273
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The court would forward it to me.
274
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I got a lot of personal blame,
275
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a lot of personal threats.
276
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In essence, you know,
"You deserve to die."
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What sort of personal toll
278
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did this take on the
prosecutors who tried the case?
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I shake my head because
I haven't been able
280
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to weigh it entirely,
281
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but the toll is immense.
282
00:17:37,057 --> 00:17:39,257
If there was anything
that ever motivated me
283
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throughout the trial, it
was the idea, the notion,
284
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that one day I'd have to
turn to the Goldmans...
285
00:17:50,837 --> 00:17:55,339
with the realization that
he had been acquitted.
286
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I am honored to have...
287
00:18:07,687 --> 00:18:10,021
Chris was in bad shape.
288
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He was really devastated.
289
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A verdict of guilty would
have been redeeming for him
290
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in the black community.
291
00:18:19,532 --> 00:18:24,035
You could feel this sense
of brokenness within him,
292
00:18:24,037 --> 00:18:26,804
because he gave everything that he had.
293
00:18:28,441 --> 00:18:32,243
My guess is that if Chris were
given the opportunity again
294
00:18:32,245 --> 00:18:34,412
to say yes or no on this case,
295
00:18:34,414 --> 00:18:36,214
he wouldn't have taken it.
296
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He's paid one huge price.
297
00:18:39,919 --> 00:18:41,953
This has been a hard-fought battle,
298
00:18:41,955 --> 00:18:43,754
but I want to make it as clear as I can
299
00:18:43,756 --> 00:18:45,957
that this trial is over.
300
00:18:45,959 --> 00:18:49,627
No one in our community
believes in murder,
301
00:18:49,629 --> 00:18:51,229
and our hearts have gone out
302
00:18:51,231 --> 00:18:53,031
to these two families
from the very beginning.
303
00:18:54,634 --> 00:18:57,135
A statement from our father.
304
00:18:57,137 --> 00:18:59,170
I'm relieved that this part
of the incredible nightmare
305
00:18:59,172 --> 00:19:02,740
that occured on June 12th, 1994 is over.
306
00:19:08,314 --> 00:19:11,249
I will pursue, as my primary goal in life,
307
00:19:11,251 --> 00:19:13,751
the killer or killers
who slaughtered Nicole
308
00:19:13,753 --> 00:19:16,154
and Mr. Goldman.
309
00:19:16,156 --> 00:19:18,022
Whatever it takes, I'll provide.
310
00:19:19,692 --> 00:19:22,059
They are out there somewhere.
311
00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:36,174
The children.
312
00:19:36,176 --> 00:19:37,375
You did tell them?
313
00:19:39,012 --> 00:19:40,678
Yes, we told them.
314
00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,014
Told them Daddy's free.
315
00:19:43,016 --> 00:19:45,449
Did they say anything to you?
316
00:19:45,451 --> 00:19:47,051
They were happy.
317
00:19:53,159 --> 00:19:55,126
They love Daddy.
318
00:19:56,496 --> 00:19:59,964
We have never said anything
negative about Daddy.
319
00:20:06,206 --> 00:20:10,708
People were on fire,
excited about finally,
320
00:20:10,710 --> 00:20:13,644
the criminal justice
system worked in favor
321
00:20:13,646 --> 00:20:16,080
of an African-American man.
322
00:20:22,989 --> 00:20:26,157
But everything is not about race.
323
00:20:26,159 --> 00:20:29,193
Everything is not about
how we were treated
324
00:20:29,195 --> 00:20:31,262
historically in this country.
325
00:20:33,900 --> 00:20:35,900
I didn't see it as an example
326
00:20:35,902 --> 00:20:38,169
of African-Americans being free
327
00:20:38,171 --> 00:20:40,671
or we beating the criminal justice system.
328
00:20:40,673 --> 00:20:42,573
Not for African-Americans.
329
00:20:44,177 --> 00:20:48,779
It was a victory for a
rich guy named O.J. Simpson,
330
00:20:48,781 --> 00:20:51,082
and I was troubled by it.
331
00:20:52,018 --> 00:20:53,618
Now, go back in, go back in.
332
00:20:55,688 --> 00:20:57,555
Did he give you any indication
333
00:20:57,557 --> 00:20:59,257
when he would want the children,
334
00:20:59,259 --> 00:21:01,325
or what would happen?
335
00:21:03,062 --> 00:21:05,630
I think he is reasonable enough to know
336
00:21:05,632 --> 00:21:08,132
that the children have a good life here.
337
00:21:08,134 --> 00:21:11,002
That they find strength
and love in this house.
338
00:21:12,438 --> 00:21:14,372
They switched over.
339
00:21:15,908 --> 00:21:17,642
I don't think that he knows, really,
340
00:21:17,644 --> 00:21:19,143
what he wants, right now.
341
00:21:19,145 --> 00:21:20,478
There they are, right there.
342
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,146
Bryce, go in tight.
343
00:21:33,726 --> 00:21:37,228
I can tell you right now he
ain't coming out any time soon.
344
00:21:37,230 --> 00:21:38,963
Okay, we're gonna get up,
we're gonna pull up high.
345
00:21:38,965 --> 00:21:41,132
Get out of all this bullshit.
346
00:21:51,177 --> 00:21:53,077
Yes!
347
00:22:01,254 --> 00:22:02,753
You're home!
348
00:22:04,524 --> 00:22:06,157
What has the atmosphere been like
349
00:22:06,159 --> 00:22:07,925
at Mr. Simpson's house today?
350
00:22:07,927 --> 00:22:10,695
Who is with him? What are they all doing?
351
00:22:10,697 --> 00:22:14,532
It's, as you can imagine,
a very, very touching time.
352
00:22:14,534 --> 00:22:19,036
A very cheerful time for
a man who's spent 15 months
353
00:22:19,038 --> 00:22:22,373
in prison and was found innocent.
354
00:22:28,214 --> 00:22:31,148
I wanna hear this like a hole in the head.
355
00:22:31,150 --> 00:22:33,584
Don't even listen to it.
356
00:22:34,887 --> 00:22:37,955
How do you turn this up?
357
00:22:50,970 --> 00:22:53,404
Yeah, this is the one
case, you got the wrong guy
358
00:22:53,406 --> 00:22:56,474
like all those other cases
you let who did it get away.
359
00:23:00,813 --> 00:23:02,813
He invited the lawyers
to come by for a drink,
360
00:23:02,815 --> 00:23:05,216
and I was the first one there.
361
00:23:07,053 --> 00:23:10,755
And he was up in the bedroom.
362
00:23:10,757 --> 00:23:13,023
He said, "I wonder where Bob Shapiro is?"
363
00:23:13,025 --> 00:23:14,492
I said, "Look up above you.
364
00:23:14,494 --> 00:23:16,260
He's on television.
365
00:23:16,262 --> 00:23:18,028
Barbara Walters."
366
00:23:18,030 --> 00:23:20,664
Mr. Shapiro, you said in
the beginning that race
367
00:23:20,666 --> 00:23:23,067
would not be a determining
part of this case,
368
00:23:23,069 --> 00:23:26,003
that you would not play the race card.
369
00:23:26,005 --> 00:23:28,506
The race card was surely played.
370
00:23:28,508 --> 00:23:31,275
Barbara, my position was always the same.
371
00:23:31,277 --> 00:23:35,246
That race would not and should
not be a part of this case.
372
00:23:35,248 --> 00:23:37,047
I was wrong.
373
00:23:37,049 --> 00:23:39,717
Not only did we play the race card,
374
00:23:39,719 --> 00:23:41,786
we dealt it from the bottom of the deck.
375
00:23:44,190 --> 00:23:48,726
The hypocrisy of his
suggestion that the decision
376
00:23:48,728 --> 00:23:52,763
to use race was a bad one,
377
00:23:52,765 --> 00:23:57,268
when it was the card that
he stacked the deck with.
378
00:23:57,270 --> 00:24:00,304
From the very beginning,
it was his theory.
379
00:24:00,306 --> 00:24:03,574
Would you work again on a
case with Johnnie Cochran?
380
00:24:03,576 --> 00:24:05,075
No.
381
00:24:05,077 --> 00:24:07,144
Would you work a case
again with F. Lee Bailey?
382
00:24:07,146 --> 00:24:09,914
I will not talk to F. Lee Bailey again.
383
00:24:09,916 --> 00:24:11,882
Thank you, Mr. Shapiro.
384
00:24:13,820 --> 00:24:15,286
Everybody say hogwash, c'mon.
385
00:24:15,288 --> 00:24:17,087
Hogwash!
386
00:24:17,089 --> 00:24:18,889
Come on, talk to each other a little bit,
387
00:24:18,891 --> 00:24:20,291
come on, talk to each other.
388
00:24:20,293 --> 00:24:23,194
Not so fast. Okay.
389
00:24:24,063 --> 00:24:26,564
Wow, where'd we go that night?
390
00:24:26,566 --> 00:24:29,200
Probably home and cried.
391
00:24:32,472 --> 00:24:34,738
Probably home and cried.
392
00:24:35,975 --> 00:24:37,808
And probably said 100 times,
393
00:24:37,810 --> 00:24:40,010
how did he get away with it?
394
00:24:40,980 --> 00:24:43,147
You don't ever get over it.
395
00:24:44,417 --> 00:24:46,484
You don't ever get over it.
396
00:24:50,590 --> 00:24:53,224
It doesn't go away that
he can't live his dreams.
397
00:24:57,597 --> 00:24:59,230
It's always still there,
398
00:25:01,033 --> 00:25:03,033
close to the surface.
399
00:25:03,035 --> 00:25:04,935
It's always still there.
400
00:25:18,050 --> 00:25:22,052
We actually believed that
if he's found not guilty,
401
00:25:22,054 --> 00:25:24,889
we all go back to our
lives and just move on.
402
00:25:26,192 --> 00:25:28,559
He thought he'd walk right back into it.
403
00:25:32,498 --> 00:25:35,065
His view point, I'm back
and I'm gonna be playing
404
00:25:35,067 --> 00:25:36,901
golf everyday and I'm gonna be O.J.
405
00:25:36,903 --> 00:25:38,669
and everything's fine.
406
00:25:38,671 --> 00:25:41,705
I think he felt he could
con the rest of the world
407
00:25:41,707 --> 00:25:44,241
into believing that.
408
00:25:44,243 --> 00:25:46,644
Here we have the top
10 ways he's searching
409
00:25:46,646 --> 00:25:48,245
for the real killers.
410
00:25:48,247 --> 00:25:49,747
Number nine, elaborate
ongoing sting operation
411
00:25:49,749 --> 00:25:51,148
at Pebble Beach.
412
00:25:51,150 --> 00:25:55,653
Yeah, excellent piece of detective work.
413
00:25:55,655 --> 00:25:58,222
I think the vast majority
of the people in Brentwood
414
00:25:58,224 --> 00:25:59,990
thought he was guilty,
415
00:25:59,992 --> 00:26:03,994
and it became very
uncomfortable for him to be here.
416
00:26:06,832 --> 00:26:09,166
I saw him filling up his car one day,
417
00:26:09,168 --> 00:26:12,836
and people, literally,
were giving him the finger
418
00:26:12,838 --> 00:26:15,005
or screaming insults.
419
00:26:15,007 --> 00:26:17,107
He filled up his car and pretended
420
00:26:17,109 --> 00:26:20,344
he didn't hear anything and moved on.
421
00:26:21,914 --> 00:26:24,381
I was walking the dog
and that feeling you get
422
00:26:24,383 --> 00:26:26,417
where the hair stands up
on the back of your neck
423
00:26:26,419 --> 00:26:28,285
where you know someone's watching you,
424
00:26:28,287 --> 00:26:31,055
and O.J.'s leaning out of the Rolls Royce,
425
00:26:31,057 --> 00:26:35,025
and I remember saying, "Oh, shit."
426
00:26:35,027 --> 00:26:36,694
I walk over to him, and he gets out,
427
00:26:36,696 --> 00:26:38,729
and we hug and we kiss.
428
00:26:38,731 --> 00:26:40,798
He turned to me and said,
"Why don't you come see me?
429
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,634
Not too many people come to see me."
430
00:26:43,636 --> 00:26:46,236
I said, "Sure, of course I will."
431
00:26:46,238 --> 00:26:47,771
There was that hug goodbye,
432
00:26:47,773 --> 00:26:50,140
and of course I'm gonna see you,
433
00:26:50,142 --> 00:26:51,809
where he knew I was never gonna see him,
434
00:26:51,811 --> 00:26:54,111
and I knew I was never gonna see him.
435
00:26:55,581 --> 00:26:57,281
You had a pretty close relationship,
436
00:26:57,283 --> 00:26:58,816
is that true?
437
00:27:01,487 --> 00:27:03,754
We had the type of relationship
438
00:27:03,756 --> 00:27:07,291
that we'd see each other
a couple times a year.
439
00:27:07,293 --> 00:27:12,630
I wasn't one of his best friends.
440
00:27:12,632 --> 00:27:14,264
All the black people in
my life used to tell me,
441
00:27:14,266 --> 00:27:17,167
man, white America will turn on you,
442
00:27:17,169 --> 00:27:21,739
and they will zip up your
nigger suit on you so fast
443
00:27:21,741 --> 00:27:25,009
and they will forget about you like that.
444
00:27:25,011 --> 00:27:27,578
Why don't you sell the Brentwood estate,
445
00:27:27,580 --> 00:27:29,279
go away for a little while?
446
00:27:29,281 --> 00:27:30,648
Go where?
447
00:27:30,650 --> 00:27:32,182
What, do they want me to go to Africa,
448
00:27:32,184 --> 00:27:34,151
is that what some of
those people would want?
449
00:27:34,153 --> 00:27:35,586
Go where, I live in LA.
450
00:27:35,588 --> 00:27:37,321
I see people, I haven't seen 'em.
451
00:27:37,323 --> 00:27:38,822
I hear there are people in Brentwood
452
00:27:38,824 --> 00:27:40,591
that don't want me in Brentwood.
453
00:27:40,593 --> 00:27:42,426
Maybe they are, but I would say this.
454
00:27:42,428 --> 00:27:44,595
I think I've probably
lived in Brentwood longer
455
00:27:44,597 --> 00:27:46,430
than 90% of 'em.
456
00:27:46,432 --> 00:27:47,698
They're squatters.
457
00:27:47,700 --> 00:27:48,632
If they don't want me in Brentwood,
458
00:27:48,634 --> 00:27:50,668
they should leave.
459
00:27:50,670 --> 00:27:52,436
Would you say the criticisms about
missing your daughter's birthday...
460
00:27:52,438 --> 00:27:54,038
Hey, O.J.!
461
00:27:56,308 --> 00:27:58,008
Esquire had chosen me
462
00:27:58,010 --> 00:28:00,344
to do a story about O.J. Simpson.
463
00:28:02,982 --> 00:28:07,051
I was interested in O.J. as a pariah.
464
00:28:07,053 --> 00:28:09,553
Don't play with O.J.
465
00:28:09,555 --> 00:28:12,790
Go away, O.J., go away.
466
00:28:12,792 --> 00:28:13,691
I wanted to try to find out
467
00:28:13,693 --> 00:28:16,493
how or whether he could uphold
468
00:28:16,495 --> 00:28:18,162
the O.J. persona
469
00:28:18,164 --> 00:28:22,066
in the face of public wrath and hatred.
470
00:28:24,570 --> 00:28:26,070
I don't think there's anybody out there
471
00:28:26,072 --> 00:28:28,338
that won't say that wherever they met me,
472
00:28:28,340 --> 00:28:31,175
all over this country
for the last 30 years,
473
00:28:31,177 --> 00:28:35,479
I took time, I treated you
the way I wanted to be treated.
474
00:28:35,481 --> 00:28:38,015
He's a wife-beater! Go home!
475
00:28:38,017 --> 00:28:39,383
I don't think there's anybody out there
476
00:28:39,385 --> 00:28:40,918
that ever met me anywhere,
477
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,153
in airports, in ballparks, on the street,
478
00:28:43,155 --> 00:28:45,222
that I wasn't kind to you,
479
00:28:45,224 --> 00:28:49,560
I didn't treat you the way I
thought you wanted to be treated.
480
00:28:49,562 --> 00:28:51,929
Anybody who's ever written
me, I wrote 'em back.
481
00:28:51,931 --> 00:28:54,531
Charities that ever call me,
I always sent them something,
482
00:28:54,533 --> 00:28:55,933
at my cost.
483
00:28:55,935 --> 00:28:59,069
I only ask you to give me that courtesy,
484
00:28:59,071 --> 00:29:02,539
to treat me the way I treated you.
485
00:29:02,541 --> 00:29:04,074
You ugly murderer!
486
00:29:04,076 --> 00:29:07,211
You ugly-ass murderer!
487
00:29:07,213 --> 00:29:10,881
I felt sorry for him, I did.
488
00:29:10,883 --> 00:29:13,684
I just couldn't bring myself to feel
489
00:29:13,686 --> 00:29:17,921
that he was bad
490
00:29:17,923 --> 00:29:20,624
in the pure sense of the word.
491
00:29:20,626 --> 00:29:23,193
I kept feeling like he was a victim.
492
00:29:23,195 --> 00:29:24,528
That's all I wanna do.
493
00:29:24,530 --> 00:29:25,395
Provide for them.
494
00:29:25,397 --> 00:29:27,131
My family, my kids,
495
00:29:27,133 --> 00:29:29,433
and give me the opportunity
and a fair shake.
496
00:29:29,435 --> 00:29:31,301
Fuck you, O.J.!
497
00:29:32,638 --> 00:29:34,638
But I swear to you, before my God,
498
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,575
I did not commit these crimes.
499
00:29:38,577 --> 00:29:42,312
Thank you for taking
the time to listen to me.
500
00:29:42,314 --> 00:29:44,815
The easy answer is to say
that people were indignant
501
00:29:44,817 --> 00:29:47,084
that O.J. got away with murder,
502
00:29:47,086 --> 00:29:50,420
but the level, the scope of the reaction,
503
00:29:50,422 --> 00:29:53,490
my sense was that there
was a lot of racism in it.
504
00:29:56,796 --> 00:29:58,729
He wanted the love back.
505
00:29:58,731 --> 00:30:00,931
He wanted to be loved again.
506
00:30:00,933 --> 00:30:05,202
O.J.!
507
00:30:06,572 --> 00:30:08,806
He is our brother.
508
00:30:08,808 --> 00:30:11,141
C'mon, you can clap on that.
509
00:30:12,978 --> 00:30:16,480
We have never believed that he was guilty.
510
00:30:18,584 --> 00:30:21,652
He wanted acceptance from the community.
511
00:30:21,654 --> 00:30:26,256
He knew that he was ostracized
by a whole number of people.
512
00:30:26,258 --> 00:30:28,258
Don't take a step back,
513
00:30:28,260 --> 00:30:32,496
you just get with God and you
get ready for your comeback.
514
00:30:32,498 --> 00:30:37,034
I think he felt a sense of deliverance,
515
00:30:37,036 --> 00:30:39,203
and maybe he felt that God delivered him.
516
00:30:39,205 --> 00:30:41,705
I'm not trying to restore the image.
517
00:30:41,707 --> 00:30:44,675
I'm not trying to get back
with God what I've lost.
518
00:30:44,677 --> 00:30:46,677
I'm trying to do one thing.
519
00:30:46,679 --> 00:30:48,512
I'm trying to go to Heaven.
520
00:30:49,648 --> 00:30:52,349
But I got criticized.
521
00:30:53,686 --> 00:30:57,154
How can you accept
someone who is a murderer?
522
00:30:57,156 --> 00:30:59,990
Well, the court didn't
say he was a murderer.
523
00:30:59,992 --> 00:31:02,492
Court said he was innocent,
524
00:31:02,494 --> 00:31:05,562
and Jesus accepted all people.
525
00:31:17,009 --> 00:31:19,243
This is like a dream come true for me,
526
00:31:19,245 --> 00:31:21,678
so meet Mr. O.J. Simpson.
527
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,982
Hug me, darling, I love you.
528
00:31:30,990 --> 00:31:32,556
He said he was trying to thank the people
529
00:31:32,558 --> 00:31:33,690
that stuck by him,
530
00:31:33,692 --> 00:31:35,692
but that wasn't O.J.
531
00:31:35,694 --> 00:31:38,795
To me it didn't ring true.
532
00:31:43,669 --> 00:31:45,402
We'd go to Roscoe's too.
533
00:31:45,404 --> 00:31:47,838
Go down and eat chicken and waffles.
534
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,174
I remember telling him, "When in the hell
535
00:31:51,176 --> 00:31:53,677
did you ever eat chicken
and waffles before?"
536
00:31:53,679 --> 00:31:57,247
But that's where black America went.
537
00:31:57,249 --> 00:32:00,517
You would hear people,
"Oh, so now you're black.
538
00:32:00,519 --> 00:32:02,019
Now you're black."
539
00:32:02,955 --> 00:32:04,788
C'mon up here, African.
540
00:32:04,790 --> 00:32:07,424
We appreciate you coming out tonight.
541
00:32:14,633 --> 00:32:16,934
I grew up in the projects, you know.
542
00:32:16,936 --> 00:32:18,735
No one has to tell me, you act black.
543
00:32:18,737 --> 00:32:20,904
I grew up in the projects,
I know if I'm being black.
544
00:32:20,906 --> 00:32:22,806
I am black.
545
00:32:22,808 --> 00:32:26,043
But once I started getting
over at the end of the 60's,
546
00:32:26,045 --> 00:32:28,211
what I done is something that's happening
547
00:32:28,213 --> 00:32:30,013
with a lot of black men in America.
548
00:32:31,283 --> 00:32:36,386
You find yourself protecting
your place in society.
549
00:32:38,223 --> 00:32:41,391
You tend to think that
you're immune to something.
550
00:32:41,393 --> 00:32:43,794
You know what's happening
out there is still happening,
551
00:32:43,796 --> 00:32:45,429
but you're hoping to change
552
00:32:45,431 --> 00:32:48,065
and you're really fooling yourself.
553
00:32:49,668 --> 00:32:52,269
But t this point I'm in the community.
554
00:32:52,271 --> 00:32:54,671
I'm trying to hang
around people that I think
555
00:32:54,673 --> 00:32:57,140
can better educate me.
556
00:32:57,142 --> 00:32:59,242
I think I have a unique opportunity here.
557
00:32:59,244 --> 00:33:01,511
I'd like to be able to
take advantage of it,
558
00:33:01,513 --> 00:33:06,450
and I'd like to not possibly
once again let you down.
559
00:33:06,452 --> 00:33:07,417
Thank you.
560
00:33:15,694 --> 00:33:19,229
I was at home in New York. The phone rang.
561
00:33:21,100 --> 00:33:23,467
And a voice said, "Hey, it's O.J.
562
00:33:23,469 --> 00:33:25,936
I'm not done talking to you.
563
00:33:25,938 --> 00:33:27,871
I don't know why, but I talk to you
564
00:33:27,873 --> 00:33:30,874
like you're my shrink or something."
565
00:33:30,876 --> 00:33:35,012
He said to me, "Let's say
I committed this crime.
566
00:33:35,014 --> 00:33:37,481
If I killed her, it had to have been
567
00:33:37,483 --> 00:33:40,083
because I loved her very much, right?"
568
00:33:42,154 --> 00:33:46,556
Every time he spoke about
Nicole it was this mix
569
00:33:46,558 --> 00:33:52,396
of affection, irritation,
570
00:33:52,398 --> 00:33:55,699
indignation and kind of
wanting to prove to the person
571
00:33:55,701 --> 00:34:01,104
he's speaking to that she was impossible.
572
00:34:04,009 --> 00:34:06,443
He's not wired like everybody else.
573
00:34:07,513 --> 00:34:12,749
He never wept for Nicole or the kids.
574
00:34:12,751 --> 00:34:15,986
Like, my kids are gonna have
to grow up without their mom.
575
00:34:17,523 --> 00:34:19,489
The Browns had Sidney and Justin.
576
00:34:19,491 --> 00:34:21,324
We'd have to transfer the kids,
577
00:34:21,326 --> 00:34:24,661
so they could go and spend
the weekend with their dad.
578
00:34:24,663 --> 00:34:27,330
It's their dad and I'm respecting that.
579
00:34:29,168 --> 00:34:31,068
Before, we were talking
about a conversation
580
00:34:31,070 --> 00:34:33,937
you had with Judy in the last month or so
581
00:34:33,939 --> 00:34:35,338
down in Laguna.
582
00:34:36,408 --> 00:34:39,176
O.J. told the psychologist that Justin
583
00:34:39,178 --> 00:34:40,744
had been calling him, for him to come down
584
00:34:40,746 --> 00:34:43,080
to watch him play basketball.
585
00:34:43,082 --> 00:34:44,714
The psychologist said,
"Well, if that's the case,
586
00:34:44,716 --> 00:34:46,583
you should go."
587
00:34:49,021 --> 00:34:52,055
I did not know until
after all this happened
588
00:34:52,057 --> 00:34:55,125
that the Browns didn't know
that O.J. was coming down.
589
00:34:58,564 --> 00:35:03,200
We walked into the gym and
we watched Justin warm up.
590
00:35:03,202 --> 00:35:06,470
Judy walks in, she sits behind me,
591
00:35:06,472 --> 00:35:08,705
and she says, "I want to talk to you."
592
00:35:08,707 --> 00:35:11,208
I think she referred to
me as a coward or gutless
593
00:35:11,210 --> 00:35:12,742
or something like that.
594
00:35:12,744 --> 00:35:18,448
She said something about
O.J. controlling me,
595
00:35:18,450 --> 00:35:20,317
then Lou walked up.
596
00:35:21,720 --> 00:35:26,723
He started in on me about
nobody wants you down here.
597
00:35:26,725 --> 00:35:27,791
He said something about a scene.
598
00:35:27,793 --> 00:35:29,493
I said, "There's no scene, here."
599
00:35:29,495 --> 00:35:31,535
I said, "If anybody's making
a scene here it's Judy.
600
00:35:32,931 --> 00:35:34,831
O.J. hasn't done anything."
601
00:35:45,911 --> 00:35:47,577
The kids were taken away from my mom
602
00:35:47,579 --> 00:35:49,579
on Christmas Eve.
603
00:35:49,581 --> 00:35:52,048
That was devastating.
604
00:35:53,452 --> 00:35:55,685
Sydney would say, "I wanna go."
605
00:35:55,687 --> 00:35:58,021
to her grandparents,
606
00:35:58,023 --> 00:35:59,756
and he said, "They don't want you.
607
00:35:59,758 --> 00:36:01,158
They want you for the money.
608
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:02,659
They want you for the child support.
609
00:36:02,661 --> 00:36:05,495
That's why they want you."
610
00:36:05,497 --> 00:36:07,230
It was strained.
611
00:36:10,536 --> 00:36:14,070
One night, I went to Rockingham,
612
00:36:15,541 --> 00:36:19,743
and we're drinking
Rolling Rock beer outside,
613
00:36:20,712 --> 00:36:23,446
and he was smoking pot.
614
00:36:25,517 --> 00:36:30,387
He was looking around the backyard,
615
00:36:30,389 --> 00:36:34,291
reliving all the different
events that had happened there.
616
00:36:37,996 --> 00:36:41,565
And I just asked him,
what happened June 12th?
617
00:36:44,970 --> 00:36:47,370
And he asked me what I thought happened.
618
00:36:50,309 --> 00:36:55,478
I said, "I have always
thought you probably did it."
619
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,981
I said, "I know what you told A.C.,
620
00:36:57,983 --> 00:36:59,382
that you went there,
621
00:36:59,384 --> 00:37:02,519
but you just went to
see what was going on,
622
00:37:02,521 --> 00:37:04,321
but you didn't take a knife."
623
00:37:07,893 --> 00:37:12,195
He shook his head and he said, "Yeah."
624
00:37:12,197 --> 00:37:13,930
And he said that if she
wouldn't have opened the door
625
00:37:13,932 --> 00:37:16,967
with a knife, she'd still be alive.
626
00:37:23,909 --> 00:37:27,143
I believed that for the longest time.
627
00:37:28,347 --> 00:37:29,980
And then I...
628
00:37:31,250 --> 00:37:33,250
He went there to kill her.
629
00:37:35,787 --> 00:37:40,690
He went there to kill her
because of how she made him feel,
630
00:37:40,692 --> 00:37:42,025
being rejected.
631
00:37:42,027 --> 00:37:44,060
That she didn't need him.
632
00:37:44,062 --> 00:37:46,029
And then, of course, the Marcus factor.
633
00:37:47,633 --> 00:37:48,732
I'm better than you.
634
00:37:48,734 --> 00:37:53,270
He was seeing Marcus was him
635
00:37:53,272 --> 00:37:55,472
15 years younger.
636
00:38:05,450 --> 00:38:07,851
And I guess the part
that bothers me about it,
637
00:38:10,055 --> 00:38:14,991
is he left the kids upstairs
638
00:38:16,762 --> 00:38:18,261
to walk out.
639
00:38:18,263 --> 00:38:21,798
They could've walked out and
found their mom like that.
640
00:38:24,770 --> 00:38:28,505
I die tomorrow, I would know
without a doubt that he did it.
641
00:38:30,175 --> 00:38:34,344
Not even a slight maybe that he didn't.
642
00:38:39,151 --> 00:38:43,086
We had a year to file the civil suit.
643
00:38:43,088 --> 00:38:47,324
We wanted a court of
law to say, "You did it."
644
00:38:49,161 --> 00:38:51,328
O.J. Simpson is back in
the news this morning.
645
00:38:51,330 --> 00:38:54,097
He wanted his deposition in
the wrongful death lawsuits
646
00:38:54,099 --> 00:38:56,366
kept secret but a judge in Santa Monica
647
00:38:56,368 --> 00:39:00,170
ruled Wednesday that his
testimony will not be sealed.
648
00:39:00,172 --> 00:39:04,007
The judge also ruled
it will be video taped.
649
00:39:10,949 --> 00:39:14,150
Present is plaintiff Frederick Goldman.
650
00:39:14,152 --> 00:39:15,218
Swear the witness.
651
00:39:15,220 --> 00:39:17,153
Would you raise your right hand please?
652
00:39:17,155 --> 00:39:19,889
I wanted to be in the
room when the deposition
653
00:39:19,891 --> 00:39:21,791
was being taken.
654
00:39:21,793 --> 00:39:23,059
... so help you God? I do.
655
00:39:23,061 --> 00:39:26,396
To be able to say, "We're after you."
656
00:39:26,398 --> 00:39:28,565
Do you recall an incident
when you chased her?
657
00:39:28,567 --> 00:39:29,299
No.
658
00:39:29,301 --> 00:39:31,201
Grabbed her?
659
00:39:31,203 --> 00:39:32,068
No.
660
00:39:32,070 --> 00:39:33,336
Threw her into the walls?
661
00:39:33,338 --> 00:39:35,004
No.
662
00:39:35,006 --> 00:39:36,473
Threw all of her clothes out the window
663
00:39:36,475 --> 00:39:37,507
into the street?
664
00:39:37,509 --> 00:39:38,541
No.
665
00:39:38,543 --> 00:39:39,809
And bruised her? No.
666
00:39:39,811 --> 00:39:41,144
You don't recall any of that?
667
00:39:41,146 --> 00:39:42,712
No.
668
00:39:42,714 --> 00:39:46,383
Listening to him was
everything from disgust
669
00:39:46,385 --> 00:39:48,318
to astonishment.
670
00:39:50,188 --> 00:39:51,020
Excuse me?
671
00:39:51,022 --> 00:39:52,155
I said don't answer.
672
00:39:52,157 --> 00:39:54,157
But, he whispered something, Mr. Baker.
673
00:39:54,159 --> 00:39:54,991
No, I did not.
674
00:39:54,993 --> 00:39:56,826
You mouthed something.
675
00:39:56,828 --> 00:39:58,428
I think I'm allowed to
mouth something to myself,
676
00:39:58,430 --> 00:39:59,662
aren't I?
677
00:39:59,664 --> 00:40:01,264
What did you mouth?
678
00:40:01,266 --> 00:40:02,899
He was cocky.
679
00:40:02,901 --> 00:40:06,569
He was never forthcoming with anything.
680
00:40:08,673 --> 00:40:10,206
We are back on the record now.
681
00:40:10,208 --> 00:40:12,041
He'd be smiling,
682
00:40:12,043 --> 00:40:13,743
like the whole thing was a joke.
683
00:40:13,745 --> 00:40:15,912
What is that paper there for?
684
00:40:15,914 --> 00:40:18,681
I designed a golf hole
that he's gonna play.
685
00:40:18,683 --> 00:40:20,383
The course he's gonna play,
686
00:40:20,385 --> 00:40:21,618
and I was just telling him about a hole
687
00:40:21,620 --> 00:40:23,753
that's on that golf course.
688
00:40:23,755 --> 00:40:26,055
And that's how seriously he was taking it.
689
00:40:26,057 --> 00:40:28,057
Did you ever buy shoes
690
00:40:28,059 --> 00:40:30,126
that you knew were Bruno Magli's shoes?
691
00:40:30,128 --> 00:40:31,128
No.
692
00:40:31,730 --> 00:40:34,063
How do you know that?
693
00:40:34,065 --> 00:40:36,699
'Cause I know if Bruno Magli makes shoes
694
00:40:36,701 --> 00:40:38,201
that look like the shoes
that they had in court
695
00:40:38,203 --> 00:40:39,769
that's involved in this case,
696
00:40:39,771 --> 00:40:42,205
I would have never worn
those ugly-ass shoes.
697
00:40:42,207 --> 00:40:44,741
He'd lied about everything.
698
00:40:44,743 --> 00:40:46,776
There's not an honest bone in his body.
699
00:40:46,778 --> 00:40:48,278
You were sort of obsessed
700
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,314
with her having that
relationship with Keith, right?
701
00:40:51,316 --> 00:40:52,782
No.
702
00:40:52,784 --> 00:40:54,717
Didn't bother you at all?
703
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:55,985
Her with Keith, with Marcus,
704
00:40:55,987 --> 00:40:57,220
with any of 'em, didn't bother me at all.
705
00:40:57,222 --> 00:40:59,222
Not at all? No.
706
00:40:59,224 --> 00:41:04,894
He's lived a life of
fraud and being a fake
707
00:41:04,896 --> 00:41:06,796
for God knows how many decades,
708
00:41:06,798 --> 00:41:10,733
to a point where I think he
just believes his own bull.
709
00:41:10,735 --> 00:41:13,303
I gotta take a leak.
710
00:41:17,676 --> 00:41:21,010
Mr. Cowlings, I'm going
to ask you to look at
711
00:41:22,514 --> 00:41:24,247
this picture.
712
00:41:24,249 --> 00:41:27,150
It's been previously
marked as exhibit number 45.
713
00:41:29,187 --> 00:41:33,590
Ask if you recognize that picture.
714
00:41:35,594 --> 00:41:37,594
45.
715
00:41:38,463 --> 00:41:40,096
Yes.
716
00:41:40,098 --> 00:41:42,031
And who do you recognize that to be?
717
00:41:45,871 --> 00:41:47,437
Nicole.
718
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:52,175
And does that appear to be the way
719
00:41:52,177 --> 00:41:54,143
that Nicole looked
when you went over there
720
00:41:54,145 --> 00:41:56,145
that early morning time...
721
00:41:56,147 --> 00:41:58,214
Hey man, you give me a break.
722
00:42:02,420 --> 00:42:04,888
The O.J. Simpson civil
case gets under way today.
723
00:42:04,890 --> 00:42:06,556
The families of Nicole Brown Simpson
724
00:42:06,558 --> 00:42:08,057
and Ronald Goldman are suing him.
725
00:42:08,059 --> 00:42:09,993
This time the judge is keeping cameras
726
00:42:09,995 --> 00:42:12,462
out of the courtroom.
727
00:42:12,464 --> 00:42:17,800
I truly, truly, truly
wish it had been televised.
728
00:42:17,802 --> 00:42:21,170
It was a totally different dynamic.
729
00:42:21,172 --> 00:42:23,706
No longer the killer and his attorneys
730
00:42:23,708 --> 00:42:25,875
in charge of the courtroom.
731
00:42:25,877 --> 00:42:29,412
It was the system at work.
732
00:42:29,414 --> 00:42:31,414
Meanwhile, the jury's
going to look very different
733
00:42:31,416 --> 00:42:32,815
in this case.
734
00:42:32,817 --> 00:42:34,183
You're coming out of a different area.
735
00:42:34,185 --> 00:42:35,685
You're coming out of
the Santa Monica area,
736
00:42:35,687 --> 00:42:37,887
instead of downtown Los Angeles.
737
00:42:37,889 --> 00:42:39,989
Obviously, the makeup of your jury pool
738
00:42:39,991 --> 00:42:41,724
is gonna be different.
739
00:42:44,763 --> 00:42:48,698
Basically, they just repeated
the case that we presented,
740
00:42:48,700 --> 00:42:51,935
but they had Simpson.
741
00:42:51,937 --> 00:42:53,836
They could call him to the witness stand
742
00:42:53,838 --> 00:42:56,172
and cross-examine him.
743
00:42:56,174 --> 00:42:59,776
One of the things that came
up was if he owned the shoes.
744
00:42:59,778 --> 00:43:01,044
Bruno Magli's.
745
00:43:01,046 --> 00:43:03,846
Because of the footprints of those shoes
746
00:43:03,848 --> 00:43:06,249
were at the crime scene.
747
00:43:06,251 --> 00:43:08,184
You thought those were ugly-ass shoes.
748
00:43:08,186 --> 00:43:09,185
Yes.
749
00:43:09,187 --> 00:43:10,753
Really?
750
00:43:10,755 --> 00:43:12,422
Wrong, liar.
751
00:43:12,424 --> 00:43:15,558
Not only did we see
photographs of him wearing
752
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,061
the ugly-ass shoes,
753
00:43:18,063 --> 00:43:20,396
we were then able to
compare it to the footprints
754
00:43:20,398 --> 00:43:22,131
at the crime scene.
755
00:43:22,133 --> 00:43:25,535
And we're right back to done.
756
00:43:27,138 --> 00:43:28,204
Rare shoes.
757
00:43:28,206 --> 00:43:31,240
Only 299 pairs sold in this country.
758
00:43:31,242 --> 00:43:33,776
O.J. Simpson said that
he'd never own the shoes,
759
00:43:33,778 --> 00:43:36,446
and yet he was forced to
admit that that was him
760
00:43:36,448 --> 00:43:38,047
in the picture.
761
00:43:38,049 --> 00:43:40,717
It was like watching a little child
762
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:44,087
getting caught with his
hand in the cookie jar.
763
00:43:44,089 --> 00:43:46,789
All it did was reaffirm what I knew,
764
00:43:46,791 --> 00:43:48,424
in my heart,
765
00:43:48,426 --> 00:43:51,294
and that was he was a murderer.
766
00:43:51,296 --> 00:43:54,263
Time to turn our attention to
the O.J. Simpson civil case.
767
00:43:54,265 --> 00:43:58,568
The jury is expected to
begin deliberations today.
768
00:43:58,570 --> 00:44:00,403
In a civil trial all you have to prove
769
00:44:00,405 --> 00:44:03,172
is that they're guilty by a
preponderance of the evidence.
770
00:44:03,174 --> 00:44:05,074
That means more likely than not.
771
00:44:05,076 --> 00:44:07,076
51% is enough.
772
00:44:07,078 --> 00:44:08,511
It's a very low standard of proof.
773
00:44:08,513 --> 00:44:12,215
Completely different
than the criminal trial.
774
00:44:13,785 --> 00:44:15,652
A very brief interruption, everybody.
775
00:44:15,654 --> 00:44:17,420
In case you haven't
heard the news until now,
776
00:44:17,422 --> 00:44:19,088
there has been a verdict
in the O.J. Simpson
777
00:44:19,090 --> 00:44:20,923
civil trial in California.
778
00:44:20,925 --> 00:44:23,326
Between 35 and 45 minutes from now,
779
00:44:23,328 --> 00:44:25,795
everybody will be back in
the courtroom in Santa Monica
780
00:44:25,797 --> 00:44:27,797
to hear the verdict.
781
00:44:27,799 --> 00:44:29,766
Just to remind people, we
are in Washington today.
782
00:44:29,768 --> 00:44:31,467
Helps our audience.
783
00:44:31,469 --> 00:44:34,537
My employers have decided
that some time ago,
784
00:44:34,539 --> 00:44:35,972
that the President's address to the nation
785
00:44:35,974 --> 00:44:37,874
is what's important to the future
786
00:44:37,876 --> 00:44:40,677
and is fascinated, I guess
to be honest, as we all are
787
00:44:40,679 --> 00:44:42,612
about the O.J. Simpson verdict.
788
00:44:44,282 --> 00:44:45,481
Our bosses have made the decision,
789
00:44:45,483 --> 00:44:46,649
so let's go back.
790
00:44:56,227 --> 00:44:59,796
We must pursue a deeper
dialogue with China.
791
00:44:59,798 --> 00:45:01,964
I'm told people are assembling
792
00:45:01,966 --> 00:45:03,966
in the courtroom and that they expect
793
00:45:03,968 --> 00:45:06,736
to be able to read this
verdict within moments.
794
00:45:08,673 --> 00:45:10,673
O.J. looks straight at the court
795
00:45:10,675 --> 00:45:12,542
and she read the answer, yes,
796
00:45:12,544 --> 00:45:14,711
that Simpson was liable for the death
797
00:45:14,713 --> 00:45:17,413
of Nicole Brown Simpson
and Ronald Goldman.
798
00:45:17,415 --> 00:45:20,249
This jury was unified in their decision.
799
00:45:20,251 --> 00:45:23,653
There was no question that
he had committed these acts,
800
00:45:23,655 --> 00:45:26,489
and he was totally
responsible beyond any doubt.
801
00:45:27,692 --> 00:45:31,160
It was amazing.
802
00:45:31,162 --> 00:45:36,165
Finally had a court say you're
responsible for Ron's death.
803
00:45:36,167 --> 00:45:41,771
Our family is grateful for a verdict
804
00:45:41,773 --> 00:45:46,275
of responsibility which
is all we ever wanted,
805
00:45:46,277 --> 00:45:49,846
and we have it, thank God.
806
00:45:57,255 --> 00:46:01,424
Simpson was found liable
to the tune of $8,500,000.
807
00:46:01,426 --> 00:46:03,426
And the jury isn't finished yet.
808
00:46:03,428 --> 00:46:05,762
On Thursday jurors will
return to hear testimony
809
00:46:05,764 --> 00:46:08,297
about additional punitive damage.
810
00:46:08,299 --> 00:46:09,632
Guilty!
811
00:46:09,634 --> 00:46:12,034
Total $33,000,000.
812
00:46:13,972 --> 00:46:18,641
We were so shocked at the figure,
813
00:46:18,643 --> 00:46:21,244
it was astonishing.
814
00:46:21,246 --> 00:46:25,748
But what people don't
realize about a civil trial
815
00:46:25,750 --> 00:46:31,420
is that a judgment is a piece of paper,
816
00:46:31,422 --> 00:46:34,924
and that is what you get.
817
00:46:34,926 --> 00:46:39,162
Then, it becomes the
creditor's responsibility
818
00:46:39,164 --> 00:46:41,464
to figure out a way to collect on it.
819
00:46:41,466 --> 00:46:44,634
Do you have a moral
obligation to pay any of that?
820
00:46:44,636 --> 00:46:47,170
I don't feel I have a
moral obligation to pay,
821
00:46:47,172 --> 00:46:49,772
because morally, I've done nothing wrong.
822
00:46:49,774 --> 00:46:51,641
I think I have a legal obligation
823
00:46:51,643 --> 00:46:53,643
when I have money to pay.
824
00:46:53,645 --> 00:46:55,745
I wish I could sign a $50,000,000 contract
825
00:46:55,747 --> 00:46:58,014
and give them whatever they have to give,
826
00:46:58,016 --> 00:47:01,284
if I knew I could get it back on appeal.
827
00:47:01,286 --> 00:47:03,519
Oh, he knew he'd never pay.
828
00:47:03,521 --> 00:47:05,288
Because the system wanted to make certain
829
00:47:05,290 --> 00:47:07,456
that they got everything he had,
830
00:47:07,458 --> 00:47:10,193
they brought in the guy
that handles the estates
831
00:47:10,195 --> 00:47:15,198
of Marilyn Monroe, Elvis, and James Dean,
832
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,701
to say that O.J. was in that same class,
833
00:47:18,703 --> 00:47:20,303
that he would make that kinda money
834
00:47:20,305 --> 00:47:21,704
for the rest of his life.
835
00:47:22,807 --> 00:47:24,540
As his agent, I'm sitting there,
836
00:47:24,542 --> 00:47:26,809
not gonna happen.
837
00:47:26,811 --> 00:47:29,478
Those people didn't murder anybody,
838
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,280
or at least in the perception of America,
839
00:47:31,282 --> 00:47:33,015
he didn't murder anybody.
840
00:47:35,153 --> 00:47:39,522
It became our goal to be after him
841
00:47:39,524 --> 00:47:42,291
for the rest of his life.
842
00:47:42,293 --> 00:47:45,394
He's gonna always know
that we're right behind him,
843
00:47:45,396 --> 00:47:46,729
looking over his shoulder,
844
00:47:46,731 --> 00:47:48,731
trying to figure out a way to get him.
845
00:47:52,971 --> 00:47:54,337
In other news this morning,
846
00:47:54,339 --> 00:47:56,072
O.J. Simpson has been ordered to turn over
847
00:47:56,074 --> 00:47:58,341
some precious belongings
to satisfy the judgment
848
00:47:58,343 --> 00:48:00,042
against him in his civil lawsuit.
849
00:48:00,044 --> 00:48:01,978
The half million dollar inventory includes
850
00:48:01,980 --> 00:48:03,379
Simpson's golf clubs
851
00:48:03,381 --> 00:48:05,715
and his Andy Warhol silkscreen of himself.
852
00:48:05,717 --> 00:48:07,650
Simpson will have seven
days to turn over the items
853
00:48:07,652 --> 00:48:09,719
to be sold.
854
00:48:10,922 --> 00:48:13,289
We had received a fax in the office.
855
00:48:14,826 --> 00:48:17,693
Sheriff's department
needed to know where to park
856
00:48:17,695 --> 00:48:20,496
these two giant moving trucks.
857
00:48:20,498 --> 00:48:23,332
So, we knew the day before
that they were coming
858
00:48:23,334 --> 00:48:25,468
to seize these various items.
859
00:48:32,243 --> 00:48:34,010
There was quite a few people.
860
00:48:34,012 --> 00:48:36,679
His family and friends moving stuff out
861
00:48:36,681 --> 00:48:38,080
and taking it to different homes.
862
00:48:39,083 --> 00:48:40,750
O.J. was out playing golf.
863
00:48:42,287 --> 00:48:43,586
Deniability.
864
00:48:46,257 --> 00:48:48,057
Sheriff's department, they
were coming through the gates
865
00:48:48,059 --> 00:48:50,626
at 8 o'clock or 7 o'clock or something.
866
00:48:52,196 --> 00:48:55,231
As they were coming in, I was leaving.
867
00:48:55,233 --> 00:48:57,266
Literally, gates were
open at the same time.
868
00:48:57,268 --> 00:48:58,634
I left.
869
00:48:58,636 --> 00:49:01,270
I had his collectibles, personal items,
870
00:49:01,272 --> 00:49:03,906
Tiffany lamps, carpet.
871
00:49:03,908 --> 00:49:06,642
A bunch of stuff went
out to a storage unit
872
00:49:06,644 --> 00:49:08,477
in south San Francisco,
but it was scattered.
873
00:49:08,479 --> 00:49:11,213
I mean, just all over.
874
00:49:11,215 --> 00:49:15,584
It was like a biblical flood
carrying away everything.
875
00:49:15,586 --> 00:49:19,088
He lived a materialistically lavish life,
876
00:49:19,090 --> 00:49:21,891
but that wasn't what was most important.
877
00:49:23,428 --> 00:49:24,627
When they wanted his mother's piano,
878
00:49:24,629 --> 00:49:27,063
that rocked his foundation.
879
00:49:27,065 --> 00:49:29,231
They wanted her house up in Potrero Hill.
880
00:49:29,233 --> 00:49:31,734
Those things bothered him.
881
00:49:31,736 --> 00:49:34,003
It bothered me when they started taking
882
00:49:34,005 --> 00:49:36,772
things that I didn't think was just.
883
00:49:36,774 --> 00:49:39,642
O.J., the congratulations of all of us
884
00:49:39,644 --> 00:49:41,410
for your impeccable character.
885
00:49:41,412 --> 00:49:42,678
Thank you, Mr. Cosell.
886
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:43,980
Thank you, Mr. Simpson.
887
00:49:43,982 --> 00:49:46,082
How do you take away his Heisman?
888
00:49:47,819 --> 00:49:51,454
That was who he was when I was innocent
889
00:49:51,456 --> 00:49:54,090
and he was innocent.
890
00:49:57,161 --> 00:49:59,695
Was that Heisman given to you?
891
00:49:59,697 --> 00:50:00,663
No, it wasn't given to me.
892
00:50:00,665 --> 00:50:02,999
I basically just took it.
893
00:50:04,669 --> 00:50:06,702
I had an arrangement with Mr. Simpson,
894
00:50:06,704 --> 00:50:08,671
where I would be paid X amount of money
895
00:50:08,673 --> 00:50:10,706
or I could take it out in memorabilia.
896
00:50:10,708 --> 00:50:12,942
So I took the Heisman
and a few other items
897
00:50:14,145 --> 00:50:15,745
I figured were mine.
898
00:50:19,217 --> 00:50:21,517
The IRS has filed a lien
against O.J. Simpson's
899
00:50:21,519 --> 00:50:23,552
Brentwood mansion.
900
00:50:23,554 --> 00:50:27,556
It says he owes more than
$685,000 in back taxes,
901
00:50:27,558 --> 00:50:29,358
interest, and penalties.
902
00:50:30,895 --> 00:50:33,662
I haven't made any
payments in quite awhile.
903
00:50:33,664 --> 00:50:35,398
I love the house, my kids were born there.
904
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,466
I lost a daughter there.
905
00:50:37,468 --> 00:50:40,970
We had some great times
there but it's gone,
906
00:50:40,972 --> 00:50:42,004
and now I gotta find some place else
907
00:50:42,006 --> 00:50:44,607
to have some great
times, you know, move on.
908
00:50:47,879 --> 00:50:50,046
The last day at Rockingham,
909
00:50:50,048 --> 00:50:54,116
it was kind of an odd, surreal day.
910
00:51:15,339 --> 00:51:17,106
For me it was emotional,
911
00:51:19,911 --> 00:51:23,412
and for O.J., I guess he had
kinda mentally checked out,
912
00:51:23,414 --> 00:51:24,513
where it wasn't.
913
00:51:25,550 --> 00:51:27,283
Hey, Mike.
914
00:51:27,285 --> 00:51:31,387
I want you to go over there
and shoot over the fence,
915
00:51:31,389 --> 00:51:34,457
walk through the gate, so
I can give you the old...
916
00:51:34,459 --> 00:51:36,892
He's like, "Okay, now
go outside of the gate."
917
00:51:36,894 --> 00:51:39,228
Like I'm a tourist, and I'm
sneaking in through his gate,
918
00:51:39,230 --> 00:51:41,497
filming him taking the flag down.
919
00:51:43,301 --> 00:51:45,701
Because the tabloids were
paying like 150 grand,
920
00:51:45,703 --> 00:51:47,303
200 grand, crazy money.
921
00:51:47,305 --> 00:51:49,472
Hey, this is private property.
922
00:51:49,474 --> 00:51:51,574
C'mon man, look.
923
00:51:51,576 --> 00:51:53,709
C'mon man, gimme a break.
924
00:51:53,711 --> 00:51:55,845
C'mon guy, c'mon.
925
00:51:59,217 --> 00:52:01,283
Putting the flag up, taking
it down, putting it up,
926
00:52:01,285 --> 00:52:02,384
taking it down.
927
00:52:03,955 --> 00:52:06,722
Him folding it and
trying to get emotional,
928
00:52:06,724 --> 00:52:08,557
where he's tearing up.
929
00:52:12,797 --> 00:52:14,697
He's really working it, tearing up.
930
00:52:16,167 --> 00:52:18,434
Oh, man, that's real classy.
931
00:52:18,436 --> 00:52:20,136
Take care.
932
00:52:53,504 --> 00:52:56,172
Everybody's chasing
O.J. for a story today.
933
00:52:56,174 --> 00:52:58,607
Do an interview, do an interview.
934
00:52:59,777 --> 00:53:01,010
I need you to do an interview.
935
00:53:01,012 --> 00:53:03,779
I'm gonna dog you out bad, too.
936
00:53:03,781 --> 00:53:05,447
I'm gonna pimp ya.
937
00:53:07,285 --> 00:53:09,185
I needed a challenge.
938
00:53:09,187 --> 00:53:12,221
I can promote anybody,
anything, it doesn't matter.
939
00:53:12,223 --> 00:53:13,889
So, my attorney came back and he said,
940
00:53:13,891 --> 00:53:16,692
"I got just the thing for
you, it's O.J. Simpson."
941
00:53:16,694 --> 00:53:18,460
I'm like well, that's a challenge.
942
00:53:18,462 --> 00:53:20,296
I'm like "Hm."
943
00:53:31,742 --> 00:53:34,510
I put him in a world
where he was happy again.
944
00:53:34,512 --> 00:53:36,178
Then, when I saw what happened,
945
00:53:36,180 --> 00:53:39,481
I said we should just get
a camera and film this.
946
00:53:39,483 --> 00:53:40,482
Cheers, O.J.
947
00:53:40,484 --> 00:53:41,917
Cheers.
948
00:53:41,919 --> 00:53:43,519
I think that there were people offended
949
00:53:43,521 --> 00:53:45,654
now that you're here.
950
00:53:45,656 --> 00:53:47,990
You know, I would think that
the ones who were offended
951
00:53:47,992 --> 00:53:50,526
may be tuned into another channel.
952
00:53:50,528 --> 00:53:52,528
I don't know, that's just a guess of mine.
953
00:53:52,530 --> 00:53:55,197
I would like to think that
the majority of your listeners
954
00:53:55,199 --> 00:53:56,799
would not be offended.
955
00:53:59,937 --> 00:54:02,204
I know you'd like to think that, O.J.,
956
00:54:02,206 --> 00:54:03,772
but I'm not sure.
957
00:54:04,709 --> 00:54:06,041
First, I just wanna say,
958
00:54:06,043 --> 00:54:08,277
it's interesting to have you here.
959
00:54:08,279 --> 00:54:09,578
Thank you.
960
00:54:09,580 --> 00:54:13,148
He was still famous and fame, infamy...
961
00:54:15,019 --> 00:54:16,619
O.J., I was told not to
ask you about the incident.
962
00:54:16,621 --> 00:54:18,053
Is there any reason why?
963
00:54:18,055 --> 00:54:19,221
What incident?
964
00:54:19,223 --> 00:54:20,923
The incident with Nicole.
965
00:54:20,925 --> 00:54:22,758
'Cause there's nothing to talk about.
966
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:24,226
'Cause you were proven innocent...
967
00:54:24,228 --> 00:54:26,028
Because I was innocent,
I was proven innocent,
968
00:54:26,030 --> 00:54:28,964
and once we open that
we're back into the...
969
00:54:28,966 --> 00:54:30,699
It's what, seven years now?
970
00:54:30,701 --> 00:54:34,803
It's over and over and over, ya know?
971
00:54:34,805 --> 00:54:36,438
I mean they tell you life goes on.
972
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,407
We talk about O.J.
973
00:54:38,409 --> 00:54:41,477
as though the story is O.J.
974
00:54:41,479 --> 00:54:45,080
So, when you travel
and when you're walking
975
00:54:45,082 --> 00:54:47,149
down the street and things like that,
976
00:54:47,151 --> 00:54:50,586
what type of reaction
do you get from people?
977
00:54:50,588 --> 00:54:54,156
The story is O.J. and us.
978
00:54:54,158 --> 00:54:56,825
The exact reaction, maybe
a little more emotional,
979
00:54:56,827 --> 00:54:58,961
that I got 15 years ago.
980
00:54:58,963 --> 00:55:00,396
If you took a walk
with me down the street,
981
00:55:00,398 --> 00:55:02,064
you'd be amazed.
982
00:55:02,066 --> 00:55:03,165
I don't care where I go,
white, black, wherever I go.
983
00:55:03,167 --> 00:55:04,566
Everybody's terrific.
984
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:10,472
The different people,
watching their reactions
985
00:55:10,474 --> 00:55:11,807
was quite amazing.
986
00:55:12,777 --> 00:55:15,044
That's why I played football.
987
00:55:20,818 --> 00:55:22,184
Precious?
988
00:55:22,186 --> 00:55:23,319
Spell it for me.
989
00:55:23,321 --> 00:55:24,787
Oh my, God, it's really O.J. Simpson.
990
00:55:24,789 --> 00:55:26,188
In our town.
991
00:55:26,190 --> 00:55:27,256
He's really here.
992
00:55:41,472 --> 00:55:43,772
He was addicted to fame,
993
00:55:46,143 --> 00:55:50,145
and the reality is the music didn't stop.
994
00:55:50,147 --> 00:55:51,480
Where do you want to do this?
995
00:55:51,481 --> 00:55:52,814
I don't know, you're
good with the white women,
996
00:55:52,817 --> 00:55:54,383
now I see black women.
997
00:55:54,385 --> 00:55:56,018
Hey, I'm good with the sisters too, baby.
998
00:55:56,020 --> 00:55:57,953
If you didn't already have a kid and a man
999
00:55:57,955 --> 00:55:59,288
out there that's bigger than me.
1000
00:55:59,290 --> 00:56:01,023
Oh please, O.J.
1001
00:56:01,025 --> 00:56:01,990
Oh, you're here.
1002
00:56:01,992 --> 00:56:03,225
See, he's in here.
1003
00:56:03,227 --> 00:56:05,494
Forget what I just said.
1004
00:56:05,496 --> 00:56:06,962
But you know what, O.J.?
1005
00:56:06,964 --> 00:56:07,996
Not for nothing.
1006
00:56:07,998 --> 00:56:09,231
Good black don't crack,
1007
00:56:09,233 --> 00:56:10,966
and you certainly do look good.
1008
00:56:15,172 --> 00:56:17,573
You wanna catch yourself, right?
1009
00:56:17,575 --> 00:56:19,174
I don't know, O.J.
1010
00:56:19,176 --> 00:56:20,642
I don't know.
1011
00:56:21,679 --> 00:56:26,181
Something takes over when
you're in his presence.
1012
00:56:26,183 --> 00:56:32,054
He's taking you away from
the sordid dark reality,
1013
00:56:32,056 --> 00:56:33,021
but you're sitting across from somebody
1014
00:56:33,023 --> 00:56:35,891
who probably committed murder.
1015
00:56:46,771 --> 00:56:49,004
All that goes away and
there's just this sense
1016
00:56:49,006 --> 00:56:53,175
of wanting to believe him and go with him
1017
00:56:53,177 --> 00:56:56,011
to this place where
everything is still okay.
1018
00:56:58,249 --> 00:57:00,949
The truly righteous are
not the self-righteous,
1019
00:57:00,951 --> 00:57:01,850
just remember that.
1020
00:57:01,852 --> 00:57:03,285
I read that in the Quran.
1021
00:57:03,287 --> 00:57:05,387
O.J., I wanna say I don't
like you, I can't stand you.
1022
00:57:05,389 --> 00:57:08,190
I wanna call you names, I wanna
throw you right out of here,
1023
00:57:08,192 --> 00:57:10,092
but, ya know what?
1024
00:57:12,630 --> 00:57:15,130
Your husband's watching, you better watch.
1025
00:57:15,132 --> 00:57:16,231
You've done it to me.
1026
00:57:16,233 --> 00:57:17,699
Can I invite you to a party?
1027
00:57:17,701 --> 00:57:19,902
Sure, I'll be there.
1028
00:57:19,904 --> 00:57:22,738
His friends would call it the O.J. effect.
1029
00:57:22,740 --> 00:57:25,274
They would say "Yeah, you got O.J.ed."
1030
00:57:25,276 --> 00:57:28,744
Being O.J.ed is being charmed.
1031
00:57:28,746 --> 00:57:30,546
The confusion that you feel
1032
00:57:30,548 --> 00:57:32,714
after you've been in his presence.
1033
00:57:32,716 --> 00:57:34,216
I don't think he was not guilty,
1034
00:57:34,218 --> 00:57:36,151
but I was in touch with
the fact that I wanted
1035
00:57:36,153 --> 00:57:38,220
to think he was not guilty.
1036
00:57:38,222 --> 00:57:41,757
O.J., damn you, I like you.
1037
00:57:41,759 --> 00:57:44,092
Thank you. Damn you.
1038
00:57:44,094 --> 00:57:45,527
Damn you.
1039
00:57:47,898 --> 00:57:49,665
Damn you.
1040
00:57:49,667 --> 00:57:51,633
No!
1041
00:57:51,635 --> 00:57:52,935
Oh my gosh, he hugged me!
1042
00:57:54,472 --> 00:57:56,071
Damn you, O.J.
1043
00:57:56,073 --> 00:57:57,639
Damn you, O.J. Simpson, you're charming.
1044
00:57:57,641 --> 00:57:59,274
Well, thank you.
1045
00:57:59,276 --> 00:58:04,513
He can get into your
head and you'll like him.
1046
00:58:04,515 --> 00:58:06,715
There's no way around it.
1047
00:58:13,757 --> 00:58:15,958
I didn't know O.J. the murderer.
1048
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:18,393
I was in jail at the time
when the thing happened.
1049
00:58:20,097 --> 00:58:22,030
I remember O.J. the hero.
1050
00:58:22,032 --> 00:58:24,166
Playing football as a 10 year old,
1051
00:58:24,168 --> 00:58:26,702
saying I'm O.J. Simpson
running with the ball.
1052
00:58:26,704 --> 00:58:31,039
I remember O.J. the charming movie guy.
1053
00:58:31,041 --> 00:58:33,141
Police, throw down your guns!
1054
00:58:33,143 --> 00:58:35,444
The mega hero growing up.
1055
00:58:37,281 --> 00:58:40,782
O.J. crashed the national
baseball card show in Chicago
1056
00:58:40,784 --> 00:58:44,386
and was sitting at a
table signing autographs,
1057
00:58:44,388 --> 00:58:47,222
and there was a line
around the aisle for him
1058
00:58:47,224 --> 00:58:50,325
until the promoters
came and threw him out.
1059
00:58:50,327 --> 00:58:54,229
He was charging, I
think, $150 an autograph.
1060
00:58:54,231 --> 00:58:57,566
So, that's what made
me think, you know, hey.
1061
00:58:57,568 --> 00:58:59,368
This could be worth it.
1062
00:59:01,071 --> 00:59:03,171
We'd hire him to sign 200 autographs.
1063
00:59:03,173 --> 00:59:06,174
What do you got there,
you got another 80 items?
1064
00:59:06,176 --> 00:59:09,711
You know, put the TV on the USC
game and I'll take care of them.
1065
00:59:09,713 --> 00:59:11,613
I liked the guy.
1066
00:59:13,484 --> 00:59:17,185
Public appearances,
he'd get 50 to 100 grand.
1067
00:59:17,187 --> 00:59:20,088
It was a matter of him
hiding from the Goldmans.
1068
00:59:21,759 --> 00:59:24,393
He had a team of people to make sure
1069
00:59:24,395 --> 00:59:28,764
that any money he could
get was gonna be protected.
1070
00:59:28,766 --> 00:59:32,501
They would form some phony company
1071
00:59:32,503 --> 00:59:35,537
and funnel the money through that.
1072
00:59:35,539 --> 00:59:38,173
Then he moved to Florida.
1073
00:59:38,175 --> 00:59:41,743
His home suddenly became untouchable.
1074
00:59:41,745 --> 00:59:45,113
His pension was
untouchable already, by law.
1075
00:59:47,017 --> 00:59:48,517
South Beach, Miami.
1076
00:59:48,519 --> 00:59:51,119
Nobody judges you there.
1077
00:59:51,121 --> 00:59:53,188
Nobody said murderer.
1078
00:59:53,190 --> 00:59:55,057
They just wanted to touch him.
1079
00:59:55,059 --> 00:59:59,461
So, he was living large, living large.
1080
00:59:59,463 --> 01:00:00,896
You rolling?
1081
01:00:02,399 --> 01:00:08,236
♪ Right now, O.J. Simpson ♪
♪ is a fugitive of justice ♪
1082
01:00:08,238 --> 01:00:11,540
♪ O.J. Simpson, football ♪
♪ legend, has just become ♪
1083
01:00:11,542 --> 01:00:14,209
♪ The prime suspect ♪
♪ in a double murder. ♪
1084
01:00:14,211 --> 01:00:17,479
Oh God, Florida was just like a nightmare.
1085
01:00:18,816 --> 01:00:20,482
I hate everything about Florida,
1086
01:00:20,484 --> 01:00:23,251
everything that's happened in Florida.
1087
01:00:23,253 --> 01:00:27,422
♪ In the trial of the century ♪
1088
01:00:27,424 --> 01:00:30,792
♪ Lies a hero's destiny ♪
1089
01:00:30,794 --> 01:00:33,762
♪ Tell me O.J., ♪
♪ what's it gonna be ♪
1090
01:00:33,764 --> 01:00:37,766
♪ Every man wants to be made ♪
1091
01:00:37,768 --> 01:00:41,236
♪ In the trial of the century ♪
1092
01:00:41,238 --> 01:00:42,738
♪ Lies a hero's destiny ♪
1093
01:00:42,740 --> 01:00:43,772
That's my drink.
1094
01:00:43,774 --> 01:00:44,806
Whose drink is this?
1095
01:00:44,808 --> 01:00:46,441
That's yours up there.
1096
01:00:46,443 --> 01:00:47,943
Motherfucker.
1097
01:00:47,945 --> 01:00:50,245
That motherfucker had the nerve...
1098
01:00:50,247 --> 01:00:54,516
In Florida, his group of
friends was much different.
1099
01:00:54,518 --> 01:00:56,184
Did you get that set up?
1100
01:00:56,186 --> 01:00:58,587
We gotta get some more
money outta out of them.
1101
01:00:58,589 --> 01:01:00,656
Week before Christmas.
1102
01:01:00,658 --> 01:01:03,792
They weren't the Lynn
Swann's and the Rosey Grier's.
1103
01:01:03,794 --> 01:01:06,294
Yo, fucking with our game, man.
1104
01:01:06,296 --> 01:01:09,464
He hung around with anybody
that was more thuggish.
1105
01:01:09,466 --> 01:01:12,100
The lower people.
1106
01:01:12,102 --> 01:01:14,936
But to the lower people,
he was like the Godfather.
1107
01:01:14,938 --> 01:01:16,672
You fucking with our golf game, okay?
1108
01:01:16,674 --> 01:01:17,673
We out here to have a good time
1109
01:01:17,675 --> 01:01:19,441
and you fucking with our game.
1110
01:01:19,443 --> 01:01:21,743
Because of that, his head grew.
1111
01:01:30,988 --> 01:01:35,290
When O.J. crossed over into the dark side,
1112
01:01:35,292 --> 01:01:37,559
I guess that's probably
where I came in at, you know?
1113
01:01:37,561 --> 01:01:39,461
Because I'm no celebrity.
1114
01:01:39,463 --> 01:01:41,563
I'm not football star or baseball star.
1115
01:01:41,565 --> 01:01:46,068
I was a regular guy,
but he seemed to like me.
1116
01:01:46,070 --> 01:01:47,502
I started liking to hang out with O.J.
1117
01:01:47,504 --> 01:01:50,172
because of the perks.
1118
01:01:50,174 --> 01:01:53,241
We went to strip clubs,
went to night clubs.
1119
01:01:53,243 --> 01:01:56,178
We'd drink and check out the girls,
1120
01:01:56,180 --> 01:01:58,480
and there was always an
ample amount of women around.
1121
01:02:02,886 --> 01:02:04,152
He said, "You know what's crazy is
1122
01:02:04,154 --> 01:02:05,454
I'm getting more girls now.
1123
01:02:08,559 --> 01:02:12,661
Now I got bad boy image
and I was never a bad boy.
1124
01:02:12,663 --> 01:02:15,230
I have to wonder, what are they thinking,
1125
01:02:15,232 --> 01:02:19,234
because I was accused
of murdering my wife."
1126
01:02:20,771 --> 01:02:23,205
Since I've been in Miami, I've
gone out with a Cuban girl,
1127
01:02:23,207 --> 01:02:25,574
a Venezuelan girl, and a white girl.
1128
01:02:25,576 --> 01:02:27,776
You only see the white girl in the media,
1129
01:02:27,778 --> 01:02:30,746
and they all look like
Nicole from what they say.
1130
01:02:32,416 --> 01:02:34,349
At the time I started chronicling him,
1131
01:02:34,351 --> 01:02:38,954
he was involved with his
girlfriend, Christie Prody,
1132
01:02:38,956 --> 01:02:42,457
and the first time I saw
her drive in in a covertible
1133
01:02:42,459 --> 01:02:44,025
I know, baby.
1134
01:02:44,027 --> 01:02:46,128
... I did a double take,
because from a distance,
1135
01:02:46,130 --> 01:02:48,697
she looked like a
spitting image of Nicole.
1136
01:02:48,699 --> 01:02:51,399
He's fine, he's fine.
1137
01:02:51,401 --> 01:02:54,202
I believe in this man.
1138
01:02:54,204 --> 01:02:58,273
He was going down,
1139
01:02:58,275 --> 01:03:02,744
and what I mean by that
is he had no interest
1140
01:03:02,746 --> 01:03:06,548
in getting to either safer
ground or higher ground,
1141
01:03:06,550 --> 01:03:08,083
if it existed.
1142
01:03:08,085 --> 01:03:11,586
He was gonna go to,
essentially, decadence.
1143
01:03:14,291 --> 01:03:17,225
They're talking about me, baby!
1144
01:03:17,227 --> 01:03:20,228
Christie Prody, the cocaine
and then she'd get clean,
1145
01:03:20,230 --> 01:03:22,130
and then he couldn't
get her coked up enough.
1146
01:03:22,132 --> 01:03:23,732
I asked him why.
1147
01:03:23,734 --> 01:03:25,400
You know she can't stop.
1148
01:03:25,402 --> 01:03:27,269
You can do coke for a
couple of days and then stop.
1149
01:03:27,271 --> 01:03:28,670
She can't.
1150
01:03:28,672 --> 01:03:30,438
She will keep doing coke.
1151
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:31,540
I say damn.
1152
01:03:33,443 --> 01:03:35,443
He said, "Yeah, but when she
does this she gets me more girls
1153
01:03:35,445 --> 01:03:37,445
than I get myself."
1154
01:03:37,447 --> 01:03:39,648
We gotta get some closeups of the crotch,
1155
01:03:39,650 --> 01:03:41,516
can't be pimpin' without
some crotch shots.
1156
01:03:41,518 --> 01:03:43,084
The only crotch that matters around here,
1157
01:03:43,086 --> 01:03:44,519
that crotch right there,
1158
01:03:44,521 --> 01:03:45,687
ya understand what I'm talking about?
1159
01:03:45,689 --> 01:03:46,822
Gotta hide this here.
1160
01:03:46,824 --> 01:03:47,956
I gotta big sheet of paper here,
1161
01:03:47,958 --> 01:03:49,491
so don't even worry about it.
1162
01:03:49,493 --> 01:03:50,792
Ya know, the public has to
identify with an athlete.
1163
01:03:50,794 --> 01:03:53,595
You can be in awe of an athlete,
1164
01:03:53,597 --> 01:03:55,263
and there's many athletes out there
1165
01:03:55,265 --> 01:03:57,499
that you in awe of, but you wanna feel
1166
01:03:57,501 --> 01:03:59,534
a part of that person.
1167
01:04:01,038 --> 01:04:02,504
I think people view me as a certain way,
1168
01:04:02,506 --> 01:04:04,272
and I don't wanna let them down.
1169
01:04:06,543 --> 01:04:09,010
Are you any different than you were
1170
01:04:09,012 --> 01:04:10,111
ten years ago?
1171
01:04:11,181 --> 01:04:12,280
20?
1172
01:04:13,183 --> 01:04:14,549
30?
1173
01:04:14,551 --> 01:04:17,686
I'm just the way I've always been.
1174
01:04:17,688 --> 01:04:20,488
I look at myself and think I'm a good guy.
1175
01:04:20,490 --> 01:04:22,991
I truly believe, in the most part,
1176
01:04:22,993 --> 01:04:25,961
that you get what you
deserve in this world.
1177
01:04:25,963 --> 01:04:27,662
If you allow things to happen to you,
1178
01:04:27,664 --> 01:04:29,698
they will happen to you.
1179
01:04:29,700 --> 01:04:31,800
You think O.J.'s a good looking guy?
1180
01:04:31,802 --> 01:04:34,302
If I liked guys, I'd do him.
1181
01:04:34,304 --> 01:04:36,404
Oh, God.
1182
01:04:38,909 --> 01:04:42,911
He would go in makeup and spoof people,
1183
01:04:42,913 --> 01:04:45,480
like you've been "Juiced"
or whatever the hell it was.
1184
01:04:45,482 --> 01:04:46,882
Oranges from O.J.
1185
01:04:46,884 --> 01:04:48,683
O.J., right here.
1186
01:04:48,685 --> 01:04:51,386
C'mon, help the Juice,
I'm kinda down and out.
1187
01:04:51,388 --> 01:04:53,922
It was like going and
seeing the two-headed cow
1188
01:04:53,924 --> 01:04:56,157
at the circus or something.
1189
01:04:56,159 --> 01:04:57,826
The freak show.
1190
01:04:57,828 --> 01:05:00,061
♪ Why do people wonder ♪
♪ about my intentions ♪
1191
01:05:00,063 --> 01:05:02,230
♪ Why do people ask ♪
♪ me so many questions ♪
1192
01:05:02,232 --> 01:05:04,499
♪ 'Bout how I made it to the top ♪
1193
01:05:04,501 --> 01:05:07,936
♪ 'Bout all the times I ♪
♪ made those defensive stops ♪
1194
01:05:07,938 --> 01:05:09,537
♪ See the only way I ♪
♪ live my life is large ♪
1195
01:05:09,539 --> 01:05:13,108
♪ And I got the most ♪
♪ game with 200-plus yards ♪
1196
01:05:15,445 --> 01:05:18,546
O.J. said, "if 90% of
America thinks I'm a killer,
1197
01:05:18,548 --> 01:05:20,949
who gives a shit what else they think?"
1198
01:05:20,951 --> 01:05:22,517
♪ I got Juiced ♪
1199
01:05:22,519 --> 01:05:26,788
And I said, "Well, what about your kids?"
1200
01:05:26,790 --> 01:05:29,691
Living your life like some 24 year old
1201
01:05:29,693 --> 01:05:31,526
multimillionaire punk ass,
1202
01:05:31,528 --> 01:05:32,961
hit every strip club you can,
1203
01:05:32,963 --> 01:05:35,196
have all the threesomes you can.
1204
01:05:35,198 --> 01:05:37,565
Don't care about what
lives you're ruining.
1205
01:05:37,567 --> 01:05:39,634
What your kids are seeing.
1206
01:05:39,636 --> 01:05:40,468
What they're experiencing.
1207
01:05:40,470 --> 01:05:41,770
You don't care.
1208
01:05:41,772 --> 01:05:43,104
Because it's all about you.
1209
01:05:45,142 --> 01:05:47,776
I finally walked away after the last time
1210
01:05:47,778 --> 01:05:49,644
I saw how he treated his kids.
1211
01:05:51,448 --> 01:05:55,951
And when I really started
looking back on everything...
1212
01:05:55,953 --> 01:05:58,753
I said, "What in the hell did I do?"
1213
01:05:58,755 --> 01:06:04,059
And with somebody that I grew
up admiring and idolizing.
1214
01:06:06,496 --> 01:06:08,930
O.J. may not have a conscience.
1215
01:06:08,932 --> 01:06:13,635
He may not pay for killing two people,
1216
01:06:13,637 --> 01:06:18,239
but I sure in the hell pay for
helping him get away with it.
1217
01:06:18,241 --> 01:06:19,975
I pay.
1218
01:06:30,087 --> 01:06:32,487
New outrage tonight over O.J. Simpson.
1219
01:06:32,489 --> 01:06:34,522
Simpson is trying to sell books,
1220
01:06:34,524 --> 01:06:37,192
and he's doing it in ways
that have vividly revived
1221
01:06:37,194 --> 01:06:40,362
memories of the murders and his acquittal.
1222
01:06:42,199 --> 01:06:45,200
Judith Regan, a sort
of powerhouse publisher,
1223
01:06:45,202 --> 01:06:47,435
told me about this project.
1224
01:06:47,437 --> 01:06:51,940
It's O.J. Simpson and we're
gonna try to get a confession.
1225
01:06:51,942 --> 01:06:53,575
How could I not do it?
1226
01:06:55,946 --> 01:07:00,515
They were willing to give
him 700-plus thousand dollars
1227
01:07:00,517 --> 01:07:02,484
as an advance.
1228
01:07:02,486 --> 01:07:05,220
At that point he not
only needed the money,
1229
01:07:05,222 --> 01:07:09,958
but thought in a while people
would be less interested.
1230
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:12,794
You know, on some level he
felt he was being forgotten.
1231
01:07:12,796 --> 01:07:14,763
Like the years had gone by.
1232
01:07:16,700 --> 01:07:18,800
Fame's a terrible beast.
1233
01:07:18,802 --> 01:07:21,970
When you get a taste of
that and people forget you,
1234
01:07:21,972 --> 01:07:23,805
it's very hard.
1235
01:07:25,175 --> 01:07:28,043
I needed to sit down with
him and get his story,
1236
01:07:28,045 --> 01:07:31,679
and it was emotionally difficult for him.
1237
01:07:31,681 --> 01:07:33,648
He goes, "I'll tell you this.
1238
01:07:33,650 --> 01:07:36,751
If I did it, I couldn't
have done it alone."
1239
01:07:36,753 --> 01:07:38,753
So there was someone else there.
1240
01:07:38,755 --> 01:07:42,657
He said, "There might have been."
1241
01:07:42,659 --> 01:07:45,060
And it was like he was playing
this little game with me,
1242
01:07:45,062 --> 01:07:48,496
but it wasn't a particularly clever game.
1243
01:07:48,498 --> 01:07:52,000
Then he told me about the
ride home, up the alley.
1244
01:07:52,002 --> 01:07:55,003
I assumed he made a right and
stopped at the traffic light,
1245
01:07:55,005 --> 01:07:57,172
because I'd heard that somebody saw him.
1246
01:07:57,174 --> 01:07:59,941
He said, "No, no, I didn't
stop at that traffic light.
1247
01:07:59,943 --> 01:08:02,077
I went up the alley and took a left,
1248
01:08:02,079 --> 01:08:03,845
and went up Grut and Green to San Basini
1249
01:08:03,847 --> 01:08:06,081
and on home."
1250
01:08:06,083 --> 01:08:08,416
And then he saw the look on my face.
1251
01:08:08,418 --> 01:08:10,785
He says, "That's the
way I would have gone,
1252
01:08:10,787 --> 01:08:12,954
you know, had I done it."
1253
01:08:12,956 --> 01:08:15,023
To me there was no doubt about it.
1254
01:08:15,025 --> 01:08:18,026
He wasn't making this stuff up.
1255
01:08:18,028 --> 01:08:19,394
I got there thinking he was a murderer,
1256
01:08:19,396 --> 01:08:21,763
and I left there more convinced than ever
1257
01:08:21,765 --> 01:08:23,965
that he was a murderer.
1258
01:08:23,967 --> 01:08:28,570
To give a voice to a murderer
1259
01:08:28,572 --> 01:08:31,072
is beyond imagination.
1260
01:08:31,074 --> 01:08:33,541
Everybody is more than willing to jump in
1261
01:08:33,543 --> 01:08:36,211
and play his game.
1262
01:08:36,213 --> 01:08:39,747
Because it's money for him
and then it was gonna be
1263
01:08:39,749 --> 01:08:41,983
money for them.
1264
01:08:41,985 --> 01:08:44,953
Well, we wanted to put an end to it.
1265
01:08:44,955 --> 01:08:47,155
Disgusted by money for blood,
1266
01:08:47,157 --> 01:08:49,958
millions pressure
publisher Rupert Murdoch,
1267
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:53,061
who fires the executive in
charge and kills the book.
1268
01:08:54,998 --> 01:08:59,134
As the largest debtor we
got the rights to the book.
1269
01:08:59,136 --> 01:09:02,470
So we read it and we were shocked.
1270
01:09:03,974 --> 01:09:07,809
It was as close to the
confession as you could ever get.
1271
01:09:09,513 --> 01:09:11,913
We made one change and one change only:
1272
01:09:11,915 --> 01:09:13,481
The title of the book.
1273
01:09:13,483 --> 01:09:16,784
We took the word if
and made it very small,
1274
01:09:16,786 --> 01:09:21,022
and laid it into the letter I.
1275
01:09:21,024 --> 01:09:23,858
So it was If I Did It.
1276
01:09:25,328 --> 01:09:27,028
We were hearing all over the place,
1277
01:09:27,030 --> 01:09:29,931
we were wrong for doing it.
1278
01:09:29,933 --> 01:09:33,701
You know what, it was, okay,
you think we're wrong, so what?
1279
01:09:33,703 --> 01:09:35,336
It's all about money.
1280
01:09:35,338 --> 01:09:39,007
How much money is it gonna
take to make you guys happy?
1281
01:09:39,009 --> 01:09:41,776
It's not gonna bring Nicole or Ron back.
1282
01:09:41,778 --> 01:09:45,146
That book was inexplicable.
1283
01:09:45,148 --> 01:09:47,448
He was thinking, I'm
not gonna say I did it,
1284
01:09:47,450 --> 01:09:49,050
but I'm not gonna not say I did it.
1285
01:09:49,052 --> 01:09:51,786
So, it's this whole kind
of striptease that goes on,
1286
01:09:51,788 --> 01:09:54,322
and everybody's complicit in it.
1287
01:09:54,324 --> 01:09:57,959
Like any murder story, a few more twists.
1288
01:09:57,961 --> 01:09:59,694
Then a twist.
1289
01:09:59,696 --> 01:10:01,196
In a bizarre twist the Goldman...
1290
01:10:01,198 --> 01:10:03,831
What I think I found most disturbing...
1291
01:10:06,403 --> 01:10:09,904
It's the audience and our
appetite for that kind of stuff.
1292
01:10:11,074 --> 01:10:13,241
Unlike most murder stories
this one still lacks
1293
01:10:13,243 --> 01:10:15,410
the chapter everyone expects:
1294
01:10:16,513 --> 01:10:17,979
Justice.
1295
01:10:21,918 --> 01:10:25,553
Elvis, get your pelvis away from me.
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01:10:27,724 --> 01:10:29,924
The Vegas chapter is
where everything just gets
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01:10:29,926 --> 01:10:32,627
so damn sordid.
1298
01:10:33,897 --> 01:10:36,898
I can't sit here and
authoritatively tell you
1299
01:10:36,900 --> 01:10:39,734
what went down in Vegas,
1300
01:10:39,736 --> 01:10:42,136
because it's too convoluted.
1301
01:10:44,007 --> 01:10:47,942
Mike Gilbert had been pilfering
O.J.'s stuff throughout.
1302
01:10:47,944 --> 01:10:50,745
You know, Mike's got his
eye on the memorabilia,
1303
01:10:50,747 --> 01:10:54,082
the historical value, the money,
1304
01:10:54,084 --> 01:10:56,851
and O.J.'s just running.
1305
01:10:58,955 --> 01:11:00,121
That's what O.J. does, right?
1306
01:11:00,123 --> 01:11:02,123
He runs.
1307
01:11:02,125 --> 01:11:05,460
And in his wake, there's all this stuff,
1308
01:11:05,462 --> 01:11:08,896
and all these people
are picking up the stuff.
1309
01:11:08,898 --> 01:11:10,632
I got a call. It was Al Beardsley.
1310
01:11:15,038 --> 01:11:16,738
He's this six foot six,
1311
01:11:16,740 --> 01:11:20,408
300 pound O.J. fanatic,
1312
01:11:20,410 --> 01:11:23,077
saying "Tom, I saw you on TV
with the Anna Nicole Diaries.
1313
01:11:23,079 --> 01:11:25,246
I got something even better.
1314
01:11:25,248 --> 01:11:28,249
I have all the stuff
from O.J.'s trophy room.
1315
01:11:28,251 --> 01:11:30,618
He didn't pay his bills,
his agent stole them."
1316
01:11:35,925 --> 01:11:37,725
Beardsley told me that
a majority of the stuff
1317
01:11:37,727 --> 01:11:38,993
was in Vegas.
1318
01:11:38,995 --> 01:11:40,795
Called O.J.
1319
01:11:40,797 --> 01:11:43,765
O.J. said, "Look Tom,
this is not memorabilia.
1320
01:11:43,767 --> 01:11:46,968
These are personal artifacts
that were stolen from me.
1321
01:11:46,970 --> 01:11:48,970
My football that I was holding in my arms
1322
01:11:48,972 --> 01:11:51,806
when I rushed for 2,000 yards.
1323
01:11:51,808 --> 01:11:54,008
The ring from my wife who died,
1324
01:11:54,010 --> 01:11:56,678
that I was gonna give to my daughter."
1325
01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:59,947
He kept talking about a photo
signed by J. Edgar Hoover.
1326
01:11:59,949 --> 01:12:03,651
J. Edgar Hoover said he was
a big fan of fine young men.
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01:12:03,653 --> 01:12:05,953
"Everyone thinks nothing
bad happens to me.
1328
01:12:05,955 --> 01:12:07,322
Here I am being robbed.
1329
01:12:07,324 --> 01:12:09,023
Why don't we show the
world that I have to go
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01:12:09,025 --> 01:12:12,093
by myself to get my stuff back?"
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01:12:12,095 --> 01:12:14,495
He says, "I was invited
to a wedding in Vegas.
1332
01:12:14,497 --> 01:12:16,097
I can be in Vegas."
1333
01:12:18,268 --> 01:12:21,169
If I Did It was due to be
released on the day of the wedding
1334
01:12:21,171 --> 01:12:23,104
that he was there.
1335
01:12:23,106 --> 01:12:24,872
So I said, "O.J., great.
1336
01:12:24,874 --> 01:12:26,774
Sign 200 books for me."
1337
01:12:26,776 --> 01:12:28,242
He goes, "Fuck, no."
1338
01:12:29,779 --> 01:12:32,814
I go, "Dude, you're asking me
to help you with this shit."
1339
01:12:32,816 --> 01:12:34,515
And he says, "I'm gonna write on the books
1340
01:12:34,517 --> 01:12:38,453
I didn't write this and then
I'll sign it O.J. Simpson."
1341
01:12:38,455 --> 01:12:40,655
I said, "That's good enough
for me." "I'll take that."
1342
01:12:40,657 --> 01:12:42,223
A free inscription, too.
1343
01:12:44,394 --> 01:12:48,029
I met him at the Palms, at
a pool party at the Palms.
1344
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:52,967
O.J. was wearing sunglasses
1345
01:12:52,969 --> 01:12:55,903
and he was every bit
1346
01:12:55,905 --> 01:12:57,905
the celebrity you would think he would be
1347
01:12:57,907 --> 01:12:59,974
before the murders.
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01:13:02,679 --> 01:13:05,313
Girls were coming up to
him, like young girls.
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01:13:05,315 --> 01:13:07,215
"Are you O.J.? Can I take a picture?"
1350
01:13:07,217 --> 01:13:10,818
Sitting on his lap and
he had his own cabana,
1351
01:13:10,820 --> 01:13:12,820
with a dozen people in it.
1352
01:13:12,822 --> 01:13:14,389
"Hey, Juice."
1353
01:13:14,391 --> 01:13:16,524
Like, weasely guys like "Hey
Juice can I get you a drink?
1354
01:13:16,526 --> 01:13:18,025
"Hey, Juice."
1355
01:13:18,027 --> 01:13:19,827
He was sitting there telling
stories and joking around,
1356
01:13:19,829 --> 01:13:21,562
and we were all laughing.
1357
01:13:22,766 --> 01:13:24,565
I ended up going up to his room.
1358
01:13:25,735 --> 01:13:27,402
He said, "Listen.
1359
01:13:27,404 --> 01:13:29,036
These people stole my stuff,
1360
01:13:29,038 --> 01:13:30,405
and they know they stole it.
1361
01:13:30,407 --> 01:13:32,039
We're gonna shock the hell of those guys.
1362
01:13:32,041 --> 01:13:33,941
I'm gonna have my buddies coming over,
1363
01:13:33,943 --> 01:13:36,010
and man, they're gonna shit their pants
1364
01:13:36,012 --> 01:13:37,512
when they see us."
1365
01:13:48,258 --> 01:13:49,891
Know what I remember about that?
1366
01:13:49,893 --> 01:13:52,927
I'm up in his room, watching on TV.
1367
01:13:52,929 --> 01:13:55,530
There's this pretty, beautiful
brunette that comes out.
1368
01:13:55,532 --> 01:13:57,398
He said, "That's my goddaughter.
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01:13:57,400 --> 01:13:59,033
Her name is Kim."
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01:13:59,035 --> 01:14:01,135
I am so excited to do my reality show.
1371
01:14:01,137 --> 01:14:03,704
She said, "I have a show about my family."
1372
01:14:03,706 --> 01:14:04,739
It's me and my whole family.
1373
01:14:04,741 --> 01:14:06,073
What's it called?
1374
01:14:06,075 --> 01:14:07,809
It's called Keeping Up
With the Kardashians.
1375
01:14:07,811 --> 01:14:09,977
"My dad was such a great lawyer.
1376
01:14:09,979 --> 01:14:12,647
He got O.J. off the hook for murder."
1377
01:14:12,649 --> 01:14:13,981
O.J.'s like, "That's bullshit.
1378
01:14:13,983 --> 01:14:15,450
He was a family friend."
1379
01:14:15,452 --> 01:14:16,784
He's yelling at the TV.
1380
01:14:16,786 --> 01:14:18,719
"Baby, your dad was shit."
1381
01:14:18,721 --> 01:14:20,087
I'm like, this is weird.
1382
01:14:20,089 --> 01:14:21,849
I didn't know what the
hell a Kardashian was.
1383
01:14:25,228 --> 01:14:28,029
"That show ain't gonna
last two weeks," O.J. goes.
1384
01:14:44,647 --> 01:14:47,415
We get to the Palms. Simpson's there.
1385
01:14:47,417 --> 01:14:50,418
He started talking about some guys
1386
01:14:50,420 --> 01:14:53,287
who stole from him,
1387
01:14:53,289 --> 01:14:57,258
and he wanted to show some strength.
1388
01:14:57,260 --> 01:14:59,760
He wanted to be intimidating.
1389
01:14:59,762 --> 01:15:02,263
He wanted me to come
along with him as security
1390
01:15:02,265 --> 01:15:04,599
since I was a licensed firearm holder,
1391
01:15:04,601 --> 01:15:06,000
and because I considered him a friend,
1392
01:15:06,002 --> 01:15:08,569
I decided I would help him.
1393
01:15:11,307 --> 01:15:14,675
At that time I had a lot
of O.J. Simpson memorabilia.
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01:15:14,677 --> 01:15:17,044
Thousands of pieces.
1395
01:15:17,046 --> 01:15:19,714
Al Beardsley said, "Hey, I've got a buyer
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01:15:19,716 --> 01:15:22,683
that wants to buy O.J.
Simpson memorabilia,
1397
01:15:22,685 --> 01:15:25,019
and he wants to buy a lot of it.
1398
01:15:25,021 --> 01:15:27,054
He'd like to meet at the Palace Station."
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01:15:31,227 --> 01:15:33,461
I think a lot people go
there for quick fixes.
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01:15:33,463 --> 01:15:34,562
You don't spend a lot of money,
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01:15:34,564 --> 01:15:36,731
but you can get a lot done.
1402
01:15:36,733 --> 01:15:39,233
I loaded everything into my truck.
1403
01:15:39,235 --> 01:15:43,538
I was transporting over
$100,000 worth of memorabilia.
1404
01:15:43,540 --> 01:15:46,474
Beardsley met me, took me inside,
1405
01:15:46,476 --> 01:15:49,176
I meet Tom Riccio for the first time.
1406
01:15:49,178 --> 01:15:53,648
He says, "Yeah, my buyer will
be here in a little while.
1407
01:15:53,650 --> 01:15:55,516
Can I see what you got?"
1408
01:15:55,518 --> 01:15:59,487
I show him photographs, footballs.
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01:15:59,489 --> 01:16:03,491
This is all the stuff I've paid
O.J. to sign over the years.
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01:16:03,493 --> 01:16:05,192
He says, "Is this all there is?"
1411
01:16:05,194 --> 01:16:06,827
I said, "Yeah."
1412
01:16:06,829 --> 01:16:08,496
He said, "I thought there was gonna be
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01:16:08,498 --> 01:16:10,932
"a bunch of O.J.'s personal memorabilia."
1414
01:16:10,934 --> 01:16:13,401
I said, "This is all there is."
1415
01:16:13,403 --> 01:16:17,238
Along with that I brought
along some other stuff.
1416
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:20,708
He was pushing Pete Rose stuff.
1417
01:16:20,710 --> 01:16:22,910
Joe Montana lithographs.
1418
01:16:22,912 --> 01:16:24,745
I'm like, "Dude, he's not interested.
1419
01:16:24,747 --> 01:16:25,746
He's an O.J. fan.
1420
01:16:25,748 --> 01:16:27,181
He wants O.J.'s personal."
1421
01:16:27,183 --> 01:16:28,349
Yeah, but if he's interested in O.J.,
1422
01:16:28,351 --> 01:16:30,251
he's gonna want Joe Montana."
1423
01:16:31,788 --> 01:16:34,355
A lot of the things that
O.J. thought that I had
1424
01:16:34,357 --> 01:16:36,691
were actually in the storage
unit in San Francisco,
1425
01:16:36,693 --> 01:16:39,026
that was lost to an auction.
1426
01:16:40,196 --> 01:16:41,963
But we had several lockers.
1427
01:16:41,965 --> 01:16:44,231
The one in Hanford, Bruce emptied it out,
1428
01:16:44,233 --> 01:16:46,701
and he's been selling
it for like 10 months.
1429
01:16:48,438 --> 01:16:51,038
Mike took it from O.J.,
1430
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:53,074
Fromong takes it from Mike.
1431
01:16:53,076 --> 01:16:55,543
Now, it turns into the Marx brothers.
1432
01:16:55,545 --> 01:16:58,613
Everybody is now acting like a lunatic.
1433
01:17:00,216 --> 01:17:01,916
I'm alone in the room with Bruce Fromong,
1434
01:17:01,918 --> 01:17:03,551
and Al Beardsley.
1435
01:17:03,553 --> 01:17:05,353
Beardsley is a bit of a nut.
1436
01:17:09,759 --> 01:17:12,059
He went to prison for stalking.
1437
01:17:13,463 --> 01:17:15,262
O.J.'s phone, he calls.
1438
01:17:15,264 --> 01:17:18,299
They're like, "All right,
we'll be there in 15 minutes."
1439
01:17:18,301 --> 01:17:19,934
After about an hour,
they're all getting antsy.
1440
01:17:19,936 --> 01:17:21,302
They're like, "What's going on?
1441
01:17:21,304 --> 01:17:22,236
This is bullshit."
1442
01:17:22,238 --> 01:17:23,304
Blah, blah, blah.
1443
01:17:23,306 --> 01:17:25,072
It really seemed like a drug deal.
1444
01:17:27,510 --> 01:17:32,146
We got to the hotel, we had
to wait for some more guys.
1445
01:17:39,956 --> 01:17:42,223
When all the other guys showed up,
1446
01:17:43,493 --> 01:17:46,727
they didn't look like
the most ferocious men.
1447
01:17:47,764 --> 01:17:50,264
It was a mismatched bunch.
1448
01:17:50,266 --> 01:17:53,467
One of them was a frumpy
looking white dude,
1449
01:17:53,469 --> 01:17:55,436
which like, what the hell's he doing here?
1450
01:17:55,438 --> 01:17:57,938
One of them was an older black guy
1451
01:17:57,940 --> 01:18:00,007
that looked like he could
have been a librarian.
1452
01:18:01,811 --> 01:18:03,944
I never met so many con-men at one time,
1453
01:18:03,946 --> 01:18:05,466
but everybody was trying to get money.
1454
01:18:06,549 --> 01:18:09,083
Everyone of them guys had
something up for Simpson.
1455
01:18:10,953 --> 01:18:13,154
Them guys got confused where the room was.
1456
01:18:13,156 --> 01:18:15,222
They was on the elevator
going up and down.
1457
01:18:15,224 --> 01:18:17,024
The room was like 12 something,
1458
01:18:17,026 --> 01:18:18,826
but it was on the bottom floor.
1459
01:18:18,828 --> 01:18:20,728
It wasn't on the 12th story.
1460
01:18:20,730 --> 01:18:22,730
It was like a weird maze.
1461
01:18:24,333 --> 01:18:26,167
It was dumb.
1462
01:18:26,169 --> 01:18:28,969
This whole situation was
a very dumb situation.
1463
01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:35,176
At the final stage,
everyone met at that hallway
1464
01:18:35,178 --> 01:18:36,744
where the room is.
1465
01:18:39,515 --> 01:18:41,015
They said, "They got guns?"
1466
01:18:41,017 --> 01:18:42,483
I go, "No.
1467
01:18:42,485 --> 01:18:43,984
You guys got guns?
1468
01:18:43,986 --> 01:18:46,287
Dude, do you guys got guns?"
1469
01:18:48,057 --> 01:18:49,490
Room 1203.
1470
01:18:51,327 --> 01:18:53,961
I don't think I'll ever
forget that room number.
1471
01:18:55,398 --> 01:18:57,698
Simpson asked me to look menacing,
1472
01:18:57,700 --> 01:18:59,934
so I had my gun out,
1473
01:18:59,936 --> 01:19:02,503
and he was getting angrier and angrier.
1474
01:19:04,173 --> 01:19:06,674
Riccio pulled the key
out, opened the door,
1475
01:19:06,676 --> 01:19:08,776
and we walked in the room.
1476
01:19:10,213 --> 01:19:12,747
I'm on the phone talking.
1477
01:19:12,749 --> 01:19:15,049
The door opens very quickly.
1478
01:19:15,051 --> 01:19:16,417
The men that were in the room
1479
01:19:16,419 --> 01:19:18,719
were pretty damn surprised to see us,
1480
01:19:18,721 --> 01:19:21,021
and they were even more
surprised to see Simpson.
1481
01:19:25,294 --> 01:19:27,027
I'm seeing O.J.
1482
01:19:27,029 --> 01:19:29,697
It had been quite awhile
since I'd seen O.J.
1483
01:19:29,699 --> 01:19:31,799
He had always been friendly,
1484
01:19:31,801 --> 01:19:35,136
but this guy had a face
on him that was just rage.
1485
01:19:40,443 --> 01:19:43,043
He's yelling and screaming,
I'm yelling and screaming.
1486
01:19:43,045 --> 01:19:44,912
I'm telling the guys to move over,
1487
01:19:44,914 --> 01:19:46,313
do this, do that.
1488
01:19:47,416 --> 01:19:48,916
I had no idea who was in the room, then.
1489
01:19:48,918 --> 01:19:50,985
No one briefly knew anything.
1490
01:19:50,987 --> 01:19:53,754
I pushed one of the
guys into the bathroom,
1491
01:19:53,756 --> 01:19:56,657
and told him not to come out of it.
1492
01:19:56,659 --> 01:19:58,259
It was a crowded room.
1493
01:19:58,261 --> 01:20:00,327
I guess there was a guy in the bathroom.
1494
01:20:00,329 --> 01:20:02,797
One or two of them were over by Beardsley.
1495
01:20:02,799 --> 01:20:04,799
Beardsley is like in love with O.J.,
1496
01:20:04,801 --> 01:20:06,934
so he seems almost happy to see him.
1497
01:20:06,936 --> 01:20:08,235
"Hey, O.J."
1498
01:20:08,237 --> 01:20:09,237
And O.J. looks at him.
1499
01:20:10,940 --> 01:20:13,240
"O.J., I thought we were friends."
1500
01:20:13,242 --> 01:20:14,742
"I thought we were cool."
1501
01:20:16,445 --> 01:20:18,746
The guy with the gun, he
hits me in the shoulder
1502
01:20:18,748 --> 01:20:21,749
and it knocked me
backwards against the chair.
1503
01:20:21,751 --> 01:20:26,921
Then, he put the gun in my face,
you know, kinda gangster style.
1504
01:20:26,923 --> 01:20:29,089
I said something to the effect,
1505
01:20:29,091 --> 01:20:30,825
"You guys are lucky we're not in LA,
1506
01:20:30,827 --> 01:20:32,293
or you'd all be laying down."
1507
01:20:32,295 --> 01:20:33,694
I'll shoot your ass.
1508
01:20:33,696 --> 01:20:35,296
I couldn't believe I said it,
1509
01:20:35,298 --> 01:20:37,898
but it was just something that I said.
1510
01:20:40,803 --> 01:20:42,970
Then I started saying bag stuff up.
1511
01:20:42,972 --> 01:20:45,472
What O.J. called his stuff,
everybody called his stuff,
1512
01:20:45,474 --> 01:20:46,674
I called it junk.
1513
01:20:46,676 --> 01:20:50,044
Boxes of pictures, some ties.
1514
01:20:50,046 --> 01:20:51,178
They're pushing the stuff back to him.
1515
01:20:51,180 --> 01:20:52,947
"Here, O.J."
1516
01:20:52,949 --> 01:20:54,481
What do you think you
can do, stealing my shit,
1517
01:20:54,483 --> 01:20:55,983
blah blah blah blah,
1518
01:20:55,985 --> 01:20:57,051
and they're all
apologizing, pushing it back.
1519
01:20:57,053 --> 01:21:00,020
Then, the guys started taking pillow cases
1520
01:21:00,022 --> 01:21:03,324
and stuffing Pete Rowe
stuff and Joe Montana.
1521
01:21:03,326 --> 01:21:05,459
Like, wait a minute.
That's not your stuff.
1522
01:21:09,198 --> 01:21:12,900
So, the first minute went
exactly as O.J. scripted it.
1523
01:21:12,902 --> 01:21:16,971
The next three or four
turned into an armed robbery.
1524
01:21:21,744 --> 01:21:23,711
He took my phone and I had just gotten it.
1525
01:21:23,713 --> 01:21:26,046
I go, "O.J., don't take
my phone. I just got it."
1526
01:21:26,048 --> 01:21:29,183
He takes it, he says,
"I'll leave it at the desk."
1527
01:21:29,185 --> 01:21:30,784
And O.J. left.
1528
01:21:34,690 --> 01:21:38,259
I went up to the front desk, and I said,
1529
01:21:38,261 --> 01:21:40,828
"I need security, I was
just robbed by O.J. Simpson."
1530
01:21:40,830 --> 01:21:42,529
And they started laughing.
1531
01:21:42,531 --> 01:21:43,831
911 emergency.
1532
01:21:43,833 --> 01:21:45,566
I was just robbed by O.J. Simpson
1533
01:21:45,568 --> 01:21:48,035
and four other black men at gun point.
1534
01:21:48,037 --> 01:21:49,904
We need the police here right away, ma'am.
1535
01:21:49,906 --> 01:21:51,839
You don't have to keep telling me that.
1536
01:21:51,841 --> 01:21:54,675
That's why I'm needing the
descriptions for the officers.
1537
01:21:54,677 --> 01:21:56,744
Four black men and O.J.
Simpson is not enough.
1538
01:21:56,746 --> 01:21:58,779
I'm gonna need to know
what they were wearing.
1539
01:21:58,781 --> 01:22:01,348
The cops showed up and they were really
1540
01:22:01,350 --> 01:22:02,750
lax about it.
1541
01:22:02,752 --> 01:22:05,753
They were like, "So, you
were robbed, O.J. Simpson.
1542
01:22:05,755 --> 01:22:07,655
Who else was here, Al Cowlings?"
1543
01:22:10,393 --> 01:22:12,760
Once we got back over to the Palms,
1544
01:22:12,762 --> 01:22:15,429
first thing he said, "There was no gun.
1545
01:22:15,431 --> 01:22:17,097
There was no gun."
1546
01:22:20,136 --> 01:22:24,138
So, right then I knew he
had some shit with him.
1547
01:22:24,140 --> 01:22:26,540
He's trying to get
ready to set up all this
1548
01:22:26,542 --> 01:22:32,279
good O.J. Simpson look to
make himself look legitimate.
1549
01:22:32,281 --> 01:22:33,781
Hello, guys.
1550
01:22:33,783 --> 01:22:34,915
Hi! Hi, how's it going?
1551
01:22:34,917 --> 01:22:36,283
All is well.
1552
01:22:36,285 --> 01:22:38,786
You're trying to put
your actor face back on.
1553
01:22:38,788 --> 01:22:40,955
You're trying to put your
pitch man face back on.
1554
01:22:40,957 --> 01:22:42,489
God bless, hey guys.
1555
01:22:42,491 --> 01:22:43,724
Take care.
1556
01:22:43,726 --> 01:22:44,725
Happy weekend.
1557
01:22:44,727 --> 01:22:47,728
But he's not fooling me.
1558
01:22:50,066 --> 01:22:51,799
When I got home that day,
1559
01:22:51,801 --> 01:22:55,636
I told my wife, "I think
I just did a robbery."
1560
01:22:55,638 --> 01:22:57,438
The first thing she asked me
is, "Did you have your gun?"
1561
01:22:57,440 --> 01:22:59,173
I was like, "Yeah."
1562
01:22:59,175 --> 01:23:02,309
I was just fighting the
reality of the answer,
1563
01:23:02,311 --> 01:23:04,812
and I knew that the cops
were gonna get involved,
1564
01:23:04,814 --> 01:23:06,747
and I knew because it was Simpson
1565
01:23:06,749 --> 01:23:09,216
that it was gonna get huge.
1566
01:23:12,655 --> 01:23:15,789
Later on, I went back
to the Palace Station,
1567
01:23:15,791 --> 01:23:18,058
back to the room where the recorder was.
1568
01:23:19,295 --> 01:23:21,929
You recorded that whole thing?
1569
01:23:21,931 --> 01:23:25,432
I recorded it because
there was a bunch of idiots
1570
01:23:25,434 --> 01:23:28,802
going in a room and I didn't
know what was gonna happen.
1571
01:23:28,804 --> 01:23:30,971
I wanted to make sure it was documented.
1572
01:23:30,973 --> 01:23:33,674
The police were searching the room.
1573
01:23:33,676 --> 01:23:35,476
The one six inch area
where the recorder was,
1574
01:23:35,478 --> 01:23:37,678
they didn't find it.
1575
01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:40,180
As I'm putting it in my pocket,
1576
01:23:40,182 --> 01:23:42,549
the cop's like, "Get your shit
1577
01:23:42,551 --> 01:23:44,518
and get the f out of here, right now."
1578
01:23:46,956 --> 01:23:49,289
If you woke up and heard that O.J. Simpson
1579
01:23:49,291 --> 01:23:51,658
is back in the news and under arrest,
1580
01:23:51,660 --> 01:23:53,994
rest assured it's not Ground Hog day.
1581
01:23:53,996 --> 01:23:57,197
This time though, he's in
a jail cell in Las Vegas
1582
01:23:57,199 --> 01:24:00,968
after a confrontation,
apparently caught on tape.
1583
01:24:00,970 --> 01:24:03,037
No Johnnie to save you this time, O.J.
1584
01:24:03,039 --> 01:24:07,307
Two hours after the arrest,
I got a hold of Harvey Levin.
1585
01:24:07,309 --> 01:24:10,778
I ended up selling the tapes for $150,000.
1586
01:24:17,653 --> 01:24:20,621
I was heartbroken by it.
1587
01:24:21,724 --> 01:24:24,558
O.J., what were you thinking?
1588
01:24:25,561 --> 01:24:27,895
What were you thinking?
1589
01:24:27,897 --> 01:24:30,030
Are you kidding me?
1590
01:24:30,032 --> 01:24:32,066
Are you kidding me?
1591
01:24:33,202 --> 01:24:35,402
You just walked away from a double murder
1592
01:24:35,404 --> 01:24:36,904
and you do this?
1593
01:24:37,907 --> 01:24:41,075
All rise for Judge Jackie Glass.
1594
01:24:41,077 --> 01:24:43,544
Nevada District Court is now in session.
1595
01:24:43,546 --> 01:24:44,945
The honorable Jackie Glass.
1596
01:24:44,947 --> 01:24:49,716
I was looking at 12, 13 years in prison,
1597
01:24:49,718 --> 01:24:53,954
and I don't want any parts of that.
1598
01:24:53,956 --> 01:24:56,457
I wanted zero parts to do with that.
1599
01:24:57,860 --> 01:25:01,762
I started thinking, if I
testify, I could clear myself up,
1600
01:25:01,764 --> 01:25:04,765
and if I don't testify
I'm gonna be a fool.
1601
01:25:04,767 --> 01:25:06,433
- ... tell the truth, so help you God?
- I do.
1602
01:25:06,435 --> 01:25:08,469
Have a seat please.
1603
01:25:08,471 --> 01:25:11,638
As far as a street code not
to talk on a witness stand,
1604
01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:15,542
there's a bunch of guys
in prison right now,
1605
01:25:15,544 --> 01:25:19,580
all over the country, behind the code.
1606
01:25:19,582 --> 01:25:22,549
They gave their life up for the code,
1607
01:25:22,551 --> 01:25:25,919
but I wasn't going to
jail for no O.J. Simpson.
1608
01:25:25,921 --> 01:25:27,788
Not me.
1609
01:25:27,790 --> 01:25:29,423
If I'd have went to jail from him,
1610
01:25:29,425 --> 01:25:30,657
think he would have come to visit me?
1611
01:25:30,659 --> 01:25:32,059
No.
1612
01:25:32,061 --> 01:25:33,427
You think he would
have gave me commissary?
1613
01:25:33,429 --> 01:25:34,429
No.
1614
01:25:35,164 --> 01:25:37,164
Excuse my expression but fuck him.
1615
01:25:38,300 --> 01:25:41,435
This case was something built
1616
01:25:41,437 --> 01:25:44,138
from a grain of salt
1617
01:25:44,140 --> 01:25:47,174
into a mountain of salt.
You know what I mean?
1618
01:25:47,176 --> 01:25:49,443
Count two, conspiracy
to commit kidnapping,
1619
01:25:49,445 --> 01:25:52,079
Guilty. Count three...
1620
01:25:52,081 --> 01:25:55,082
C.J. Stewart went to jail
for not taking the deal.
1621
01:25:56,152 --> 01:25:57,951
Even though I think I did nothing wrong,
1622
01:25:57,953 --> 01:26:00,154
and I still contend to
this day I did nothing wrong
1623
01:26:00,156 --> 01:26:01,989
with the O.J. thing.
1624
01:26:01,991 --> 01:26:04,491
Could I have spent the
next couple of years
1625
01:26:04,493 --> 01:26:05,792
defending myself against something
1626
01:26:05,794 --> 01:26:07,027
that I don't think I did?
1627
01:26:08,164 --> 01:26:09,263
Yes.
1628
01:26:09,265 --> 01:26:11,765
So, I told my lawyer before I do anything,
1629
01:26:11,767 --> 01:26:13,100
get me immunity.
1630
01:26:13,102 --> 01:26:14,701
Do you solemnly swear to tell the truth,
1631
01:26:14,703 --> 01:26:16,003
the whole truth, and
nothing but the truth,
1632
01:26:16,005 --> 01:26:16,970
so help you God?
1633
01:26:16,972 --> 01:26:18,472
I do.
1634
01:26:18,474 --> 01:26:20,007
O.J. got duped.
1635
01:26:20,009 --> 01:26:22,376
O.J. got duped by Tom Riccio.
1636
01:26:22,378 --> 01:26:25,512
Tom Riccio lied to O.J. Simpson.
1637
01:26:25,514 --> 01:26:28,549
He said I know someone
that's got thousands of pieces
1638
01:26:28,551 --> 01:26:30,184
of your memorabilia.
1639
01:26:30,186 --> 01:26:31,985
He set O.J. Simpson up.
1640
01:26:31,987 --> 01:26:35,155
Oh yeah, Tom Riccio's a rat.
1641
01:26:35,157 --> 01:26:37,558
Who did I rat on, did
I rat on anybody here?
1642
01:26:37,560 --> 01:26:39,059
Name a person I ratted on.
1643
01:26:39,061 --> 01:26:40,894
Not that I have anything against ratting,
1644
01:26:40,896 --> 01:26:43,564
if it would help the world, I'll rat.
1645
01:26:43,566 --> 01:26:46,066
But I didn't rat on anybody.
1646
01:26:46,068 --> 01:26:48,202
Riccio says that it was O.J. Simpson
1647
01:26:48,204 --> 01:26:50,737
who was giving the orders in the room.
1648
01:26:50,739 --> 01:26:52,272
O.J. was definitely in charge.
1649
01:26:54,076 --> 01:26:57,211
I mean, I don't know what you'd call...
1650
01:26:57,213 --> 01:26:58,679
Maybe I did rat out some people.
1651
01:26:58,681 --> 01:27:01,181
I don't know, maybe I did with
the O.J. thing, maybe I did.
1652
01:27:01,183 --> 01:27:02,783
All right, so I'm a rat.
1653
01:27:04,887 --> 01:27:07,154
Thomas Riccio, their star witness,
1654
01:27:07,156 --> 01:27:09,423
one of my favorite people ever.
1655
01:27:09,425 --> 01:27:11,425
I was in Las Vegas and I was reporting
1656
01:27:11,427 --> 01:27:15,529
for Entertainment Tonight about the trial.
1657
01:27:15,531 --> 01:27:17,998
Such a weird confluence of events.
1658
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:20,033
How does this happen?
1659
01:27:20,035 --> 01:27:22,002
So I was watching the preliminary hearing
1660
01:27:23,539 --> 01:27:27,207
and at lunch break we
were in the cafeteria
1661
01:27:27,209 --> 01:27:29,176
and he showed up there.
1662
01:27:29,178 --> 01:27:32,913
It's O.J. and walked by.
1663
01:27:32,915 --> 01:27:34,281
Mr. Simpson.
1664
01:27:34,283 --> 01:27:36,049
Ms. Clark.
1665
01:27:36,051 --> 01:27:37,117
It was weird.
1666
01:27:38,454 --> 01:27:42,055
13 years to the day after
O.J. Simpson was acquitted
1667
01:27:42,057 --> 01:27:44,625
in the murders of his
ex-wife, Nicole Brown Simpson,
1668
01:27:44,627 --> 01:27:46,627
and her friend, Ronald Goldman,
1669
01:27:46,629 --> 01:27:49,563
O.J. was found guilty of
kidnapping and armed robbery
1670
01:27:49,565 --> 01:27:51,965
in a Las Vegas courtroom Friday night.
1671
01:27:57,273 --> 01:28:01,108
What happened to Mr. Simpson, to me...
1672
01:28:04,413 --> 01:28:06,046
He was being selfish.
1673
01:28:07,583 --> 01:28:09,416
He's been in a lot of pain.
1674
01:28:09,418 --> 01:28:12,719
Pain medication, drinking,
1675
01:28:12,721 --> 01:28:16,089
trying to control everything
goes on in his life,
1676
01:28:16,091 --> 01:28:18,859
in his relationship, his finances.
1677
01:28:20,596 --> 01:28:24,965
And it wasn't as good as it used to be.
1678
01:28:24,967 --> 01:28:27,968
You know? It wasn't as great.
1679
01:28:27,970 --> 01:28:30,404
The whole big picture, his life,
1680
01:28:30,406 --> 01:28:31,805
he was just tired.
1681
01:28:33,409 --> 01:28:35,475
He's street,
1682
01:28:36,245 --> 01:28:40,147
and O.J. regrettably
1683
01:28:40,149 --> 01:28:44,484
reverted back to Galileo High School.
1684
01:28:44,486 --> 01:28:46,753
You know?
1685
01:28:46,755 --> 01:28:48,722
He reverted back to Hunter's Point.
1686
01:28:52,494 --> 01:28:53,494
Sorry.
1687
01:28:56,999 --> 01:29:00,167
I feel like apologetic to the people
1688
01:29:00,169 --> 01:29:01,768
of the state of Nevada.
1689
01:29:01,770 --> 01:29:05,038
I've been coming to Nevada since 1959.
1690
01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:09,509
I worked summer jobs here
for my uncle in '60 and '61.
1691
01:29:09,511 --> 01:29:11,044
I've been coming every since
1692
01:29:11,046 --> 01:29:13,046
and I've never gotten into any trouble.
1693
01:29:13,048 --> 01:29:15,549
People have always been fine to me.
1694
01:29:15,551 --> 01:29:17,684
When I came here I
came here for a wedding.
1695
01:29:17,686 --> 01:29:19,286
I didn't come here to...
1696
01:29:21,190 --> 01:29:24,191
I didn't come here to reclaim property.
1697
01:29:24,193 --> 01:29:26,226
I was told it was here.
1698
01:29:26,228 --> 01:29:28,995
I called my kids and I
told them I had a chance
1699
01:29:28,997 --> 01:29:31,465
to get some of our property back.
1700
01:29:31,467 --> 01:29:34,334
We've called the police
and asked what to do.
1701
01:29:34,336 --> 01:29:36,470
They told us what to try to do.
1702
01:29:36,472 --> 01:29:38,572
You could never find
out who was selling it.
1703
01:29:38,574 --> 01:29:41,041
This was the first
time I had a opportunity
1704
01:29:41,043 --> 01:29:44,077
to catch the guys red
handed who had been stealing
1705
01:29:44,079 --> 01:29:45,979
from my family.
1706
01:29:45,981 --> 01:29:47,247
I wasn't there to hurt anybody.
1707
01:29:47,249 --> 01:29:49,249
I just wanted my personal things,
1708
01:29:49,251 --> 01:29:51,418
and I realize now it was stupid of me.
1709
01:29:51,420 --> 01:29:52,886
I'm sorry.
1710
01:29:52,888 --> 01:29:55,222
I didn't mean to steal
anything from anybody
1711
01:29:55,224 --> 01:29:57,324
and I didn't know I was
doing anything illegal.
1712
01:29:57,326 --> 01:29:59,826
I thought I was confronting friends
1713
01:29:59,828 --> 01:30:03,263
and retrieving my property.
1714
01:30:03,265 --> 01:30:06,299
That guy, he should have
been the model citizen.
1715
01:30:07,770 --> 01:30:09,903
Should have been in church every week.
1716
01:30:09,905 --> 01:30:11,671
Should have been helping kids.
1717
01:30:11,673 --> 01:30:13,540
Instead, he did more
to hurt Africa-American
1718
01:30:13,542 --> 01:30:15,742
young men and boys
1719
01:30:15,744 --> 01:30:18,779
by putting on this charade.
1720
01:30:18,781 --> 01:30:21,348
He kept pushing the envelope.
1721
01:30:21,350 --> 01:30:23,350
You know? And why wouldn't he?
1722
01:30:23,352 --> 01:30:28,188
I mean, if I got away with everything
time after time after time...
1723
01:30:28,190 --> 01:30:32,025
Hey, I'm a god.
1724
01:30:33,128 --> 01:30:35,295
All right, for Mr. Simpson.
1725
01:30:39,701 --> 01:30:43,970
All right, Mr. Simpson, I'm
gonna sentence you as follows.
1726
01:30:43,972 --> 01:30:47,207
Count one, conspiracy to commit a crime,
1727
01:30:47,209 --> 01:30:49,810
one year in the county jail.
1728
01:30:49,812 --> 01:30:52,245
Count two, conspiracy
to commit kidnapping.
1729
01:30:52,247 --> 01:30:54,214
A minimum term of 12
months, max term of 48 months
1730
01:30:54,216 --> 01:30:56,149
in the Nevada Department of Corrections.
1731
01:30:56,151 --> 01:30:58,318
Count three, conspiracy to commit robbery.
1732
01:30:58,320 --> 01:31:01,154
A minimum term of 12
months, max term of 48 months
1733
01:31:01,156 --> 01:31:03,423
in the Nevada Department of Corrrections.
1734
01:31:03,425 --> 01:31:06,660
Count four, burglary while in
possession of a deadly weapon.
1735
01:31:06,662 --> 01:31:09,262
A minimum term of 26 months...
1736
01:31:09,264 --> 01:31:12,299
I went to an inner city high school
1737
01:31:12,301 --> 01:31:15,802
and our football team was terrible,
1738
01:31:15,804 --> 01:31:18,271
but our fighters were good,
1739
01:31:18,273 --> 01:31:22,409
and we might lose the
4th quarter the ball game,
1740
01:31:22,411 --> 01:31:24,511
but we were gonna win the
5th quarter after the game.
1741
01:31:24,513 --> 01:31:25,946
The fight.
1742
01:31:25,948 --> 01:31:28,949
So, it's called the 5th quarter.
1743
01:31:28,951 --> 01:31:31,585
Count five, the first
degree kidnapping with use
1744
01:31:31,587 --> 01:31:33,253
of a deadly weapon.
1745
01:31:33,255 --> 01:31:36,022
A fixed term of 15 years,
parole eligibility beginning
1746
01:31:36,024 --> 01:31:37,757
after five years.
1747
01:31:37,759 --> 01:31:40,494
Count six, the first
degree kidnapping with use
1748
01:31:40,496 --> 01:31:41,828
of a deadly weapon.
1749
01:31:41,830 --> 01:31:44,998
A fixed term of 15 years.
1750
01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:50,537
That was, at most, a
two-year crime dripping wet.
1751
01:31:50,539 --> 01:31:53,039
The judge in that case
1752
01:31:53,041 --> 01:31:56,943
held the jury out until 11 o'clock
1753
01:31:56,945 --> 01:32:02,816
on a Friday night, 13 years to the day
1754
01:32:02,818 --> 01:32:07,187
of O.J. Simpson's verdict on October 3rd.
1755
01:32:07,189 --> 01:32:11,892
That, in my mind, was not a coincidence.
1756
01:32:11,894 --> 01:32:14,327
Robbery with use of a deadly weapon.
1757
01:32:14,329 --> 01:32:17,664
A minimum term of 60 months.
1758
01:32:17,666 --> 01:32:21,334
A maximum term of 180 months.
1759
01:32:21,336 --> 01:32:23,670
Count eight, robbery with
use of a deadly weapon.
1760
01:32:23,672 --> 01:32:24,838
A minimum term of 60 months.
1761
01:32:24,840 --> 01:32:26,172
A max term of a 180 months
1762
01:32:26,174 --> 01:32:29,075
in the Nevada Department of Corrections.
1763
01:32:29,077 --> 01:32:32,178
The assault with a deadly weapon.
1764
01:32:32,180 --> 01:32:35,715
A minimum term of 18 months.
1765
01:32:35,717 --> 01:32:37,183
Max term of 72 months
1766
01:32:37,185 --> 01:32:39,519
in the Nevada Department of Corrections.
1767
01:32:39,521 --> 01:32:42,188
And the 33 year sentence
1768
01:32:42,190 --> 01:32:45,325
reflecting the 33 million dollars
1769
01:32:45,327 --> 01:32:50,030
in the civil verdict was no coincidence.
1770
01:32:50,032 --> 01:32:52,265
That concludes today's sentencing.
1771
01:32:52,267 --> 01:32:55,235
And that was the 5th quarter.
1772
01:32:55,237 --> 01:33:01,241
They got back at O.J.
for winning our case.
1773
01:33:01,243 --> 01:33:03,810
Thank you, thank you very much.
1774
01:33:05,347 --> 01:33:07,247
He didn't kidnap anybody.
1775
01:33:07,249 --> 01:33:09,716
Nobody was moved or
tortured or hit and beat up.
1776
01:33:09,718 --> 01:33:11,451
There wasn't none of that.
1777
01:33:11,453 --> 01:33:13,186
He got played by the book.
1778
01:33:13,188 --> 01:33:16,089
In the legal term of the law, when he said
1779
01:33:16,091 --> 01:33:20,560
nobody leaves this
room, that is kidnapping.
1780
01:33:20,562 --> 01:33:22,696
That wasn't about justice.
1781
01:33:22,698 --> 01:33:25,432
They wanted the guy
that got away with murder
1782
01:33:25,434 --> 01:33:27,834
in 1994.
1783
01:33:29,571 --> 01:33:31,071
Here's the thing about it.
1784
01:33:31,073 --> 01:33:33,974
The guns are the thing about it.
1785
01:33:33,976 --> 01:33:35,909
They put guns to people's heads.
1786
01:33:35,911 --> 01:33:37,944
Someone could have died there.
1787
01:33:37,946 --> 01:33:40,814
The legal elements of the case were there.
1788
01:33:40,816 --> 01:33:45,151
Did the jury hammer him
because of the murder trial?
1789
01:33:46,588 --> 01:33:48,054
Wouldn't surprise me.
1790
01:33:51,727 --> 01:33:55,161
That is white justice in America, man.
1791
01:33:57,666 --> 01:34:00,734
Listen, I think anybody who is happy
1792
01:34:00,736 --> 01:34:03,903
that any human being is
gonna be stuck in a cage
1793
01:34:03,905 --> 01:34:06,239
is a horrible person.
1794
01:34:06,241 --> 01:34:08,975
This is not a happy day for anybody.
1795
01:34:09,978 --> 01:34:11,444
We're thrilled.
1796
01:34:11,446 --> 01:34:14,514
It's kind of a bittersweet moment,
1797
01:34:14,516 --> 01:34:16,916
knowing that that SOB is gonna be in jail
1798
01:34:16,918 --> 01:34:19,152
for a very long time.
1799
01:34:21,923 --> 01:34:24,090
And he's gonna be where he belongs,
1800
01:34:24,092 --> 01:34:26,292
with others of his kind.
1801
01:34:26,294 --> 01:34:28,061
And he can complain there.
1802
01:34:34,803 --> 01:34:38,538
Look, I voted no then.
1803
01:34:38,540 --> 01:34:41,841
Then he's a stupid ass to go out there
1804
01:34:41,843 --> 01:34:43,877
and get into some more shit.
1805
01:34:47,382 --> 01:34:48,848
Somewhat.
1806
01:34:49,551 --> 01:34:52,519
But deep in my heart,
1807
01:34:52,521 --> 01:34:56,222
I done what I felt was right at that time.
1808
01:34:59,728 --> 01:35:02,962
Back then, we took care of our own.
1809
01:35:02,964 --> 01:35:06,633
Now, you're on your own, Joe.
1810
01:35:08,704 --> 01:35:11,071
A lot of people gave a lot.
1811
01:35:13,308 --> 01:35:17,477
But ultimately, it was all a waste.
1812
01:35:17,479 --> 01:35:19,045
He wasn't deserving.
1813
01:35:20,315 --> 01:35:23,583
My main concern is a black man's image
1814
01:35:23,585 --> 01:35:25,552
and the beating that it's taken.
1815
01:35:28,724 --> 01:35:32,492
O.J. reached the top of the mountain
1816
01:35:32,494 --> 01:35:34,060
and when he fell off,
1817
01:35:34,062 --> 01:35:37,230
it should not reflect
on black people at all.
1818
01:35:37,232 --> 01:35:39,132
It should reflect on O.J.
1819
01:35:41,436 --> 01:35:43,103
He had everything.
1820
01:35:44,172 --> 01:35:46,272
He had adoration.
1821
01:35:47,676 --> 01:35:52,178
Men loved him, women loved
him, children loved him.
1822
01:35:52,180 --> 01:35:53,680
That's the way it should be.
1823
01:35:53,682 --> 01:35:56,082
I mean, how many people
go through life like that?
1824
01:35:56,084 --> 01:35:59,953
When you're running the ball, it's joy.
1825
01:35:59,955 --> 01:36:02,722
This is the natural state of things.
1826
01:36:02,724 --> 01:36:06,960
For somebody like O.J. Simpson,
who came from where he came,
1827
01:36:06,962 --> 01:36:10,797
to have accomplished what he accomplished,
1828
01:36:10,799 --> 01:36:14,300
to have that brutal fall from grace.
1829
01:36:14,302 --> 01:36:16,302
It's really an American tragedy.
1830
01:36:20,776 --> 01:36:22,742
I don't know how I ended up here.
1831
01:36:22,744 --> 01:36:25,145
I just don't know how I ended up here.
1832
01:36:26,715 --> 01:36:29,249
I thought I lived a great life.
1833
01:36:29,251 --> 01:36:30,950
I thought I treated everybody well.
1834
01:36:30,952 --> 01:36:32,585
I went out of my way to
make everybody comfortable
1835
01:36:32,587 --> 01:36:34,721
and happy.
1836
01:36:34,723 --> 01:36:36,923
I felt the goodness in myself
1837
01:36:36,925 --> 01:36:38,758
and the goodness I gave people.
1838
01:36:38,760 --> 01:36:40,994
I don't feel any goodness
in myself right now.
1839
01:36:42,430 --> 01:36:43,963
I feel empty.
1840
01:36:43,965 --> 01:36:46,299
I feel totally empty.
1841
01:36:48,570 --> 01:36:53,006
I felt I have some last
thing I gotta say to somebody.
1842
01:36:53,008 --> 01:36:54,641
Please remember me as the Juice.
1843
01:36:54,643 --> 01:36:56,643
Please remember me as a good guy.
1844
01:36:56,645 --> 01:36:58,077
Please.
1845
01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:08,000
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