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When I got there, they had
the scene very well secured.

They had the entire block taped off.

Front door wide open, little music playing

in the background, candles are lit inside.

Very violent confrontation. Rage.

Two victims, blood everywhere.

We find a glove... It's a left glove...

and a blood trail indicating the

suspect has been wounded on the left side.

So we're just getting into this when we

find out that this is apparently
OJ Simpson's estranged wife.

We have two children asleep.

I have a very brutal murder.

Someone's gotta make a death
notification of next of kin.

Which is Simpson.

Lang and Vannatter were talking

and they called me over and said,

"You were at Simpson's house once, right?

We want you to take us up there."

We pull close to the gate.

Vannatter was hitting the doorbell,

they keep ringing the doorbell

and so I just stroll down the street.

By the other gate, there's a white Bronco.

On the driver's side door handle, blood.

I mean there was enough evidence outside,

we gotta make sure
everybody's okay in here.

Oh God, what are we going to
do, Simpson's in there dead.

Well, yeah, we need to go in.

So I jumped up over the
fence and I opened the gate.

Bang on the front door, nothing.

Walk around to the back,
there's a couple of bungalows.

The first one was Kato Kaelin's.

Kato Kaelin was a live-in...

... friend.

We say to the police,
"Check on Mr. Simpson."

OJ's in Chicago.

Well, he left last night.

Oh, thank God.

They all leave and I'm
left here with Kato Kaelin.

I go "Tell me what you did last night."

He goes, "Well I was talking on the phone

and all a sudden there
was, like, an earthquake.

It was just like...

... on the wall and pictures shook."

Okay.

I walk back outside and I start walking

down the back, behind the bungalows.

And then as I pan down,

I see this brown, glistening...

At first I thought it was dog crap.

And then I shined a
light on it. It's a glove.

Just like the one... Ed Bundy...

Uh, yeah, this is gonna get deep.

This is gonna be a crime scene.

I make the decision to make a telephonic

to the Brown family
and I talk to Lou Brown

and say that your daughter Nicole is dead.

It's quiet for about two seconds then

all this screaming. It's
Nicole's sister, Denise.

"I knew that motherfucker,
he was gonna kill,

I knew he was gonna do this."

I mean, she didn't hesitate.

Nobody comes unglued like that

unless they have a strong suspicion.

We gotta look at it a
little differently now.

We lock everything
down, no more searching,

can't do anything until we get a warrant.

Phil Vannatter called me and said,

"I've got some information; I
need to get a search warrant.

I need you to tell me if
you think it sounds okay."

And he just summarized the
evidence and it was huge.

Okay, yeah, go ahead, get the
search warrant, you're fine.

And he said, "You know who it is?

It's OJ Simpson."

OJ Simpson?

Um...

I was never into sports,

so I didn't even know what game he played.

I thought he was a has-been.

Monday afternoon came around,

Simpson came back from
Chicago and they handcuff him.

It was quite surprising.

Your ex-husband's always
a suspect in a case.

Okay, wow. Here we go.

He said he's gonna talk to
us, which is really strange.

You have one opportunity forever

to talk to this guy, forever.

He's thinking he can
control a couple of cops.

Especially these guys 'cause,
you know, they're pretty nice.

What Vannatter and Lang failed to do was

simply to pin him down on what

he did on the day of the murder.

OJ just rambled and created an interview

transcript that was
useless to the prosecution.

What do you mean, you were running

around doing what you do?

What do you mean?

What do you mean you
cut yourself in Chicago

but the blood got on the
Bronco before you left.

What do you mean?

There's a million things
that they just let go.

Yeah, uh huh, yeah, uh huh.

Oh my God.

What I wanted was his blood, photographs

taken of the bleeding finger, I wanted his

fingerprints now that
we've got his cooperation.

We get the blood, we get all these things

we want which are going to be evidence.

And then, ya know, he's released.

What?

Why would you do that?

If he was any other guy,
would you have let him go?

And they said, "Where can he go?

After all, what can he do?"

I mean, everybody recognizes him.

When I went over to Rockingham,

he had like three TV's

and each and every one of them,

he had a different channel on.

Suspect, what are you talking about?

Is he crazy?

And I said, "OJ, what
happened to your finger?"

And he says, "I cut it
on a glass in Chicago."

And I went oh, okay.

Somebody else sat down and
asked him the same question

and he said, "I was chipping golf balls."

And I went, uh-hmm,
later on that evening,

same question came out,
"Oh man, I was getting

the cell phone out of
the Bronco, cut myself."

I was like, wow.

I tried to leave there and
OJ goes, "Shipp, hold on."

and he says, "They asked me to take

a lie detector test.

I told them no."

I said, "What do you
mean, you told them no?"

And he says, you know, jokingly, he says

"Well, you know to be truthful, Shipp,

I have had dreams of killing her."

I wanted to leave.

I said, "I'm outta here."

Here, at OJ Simpson's home,

in the fashionable suburb of Brentwood,

the world media has
settled in to the siege.

Against the public backdrop,

police are quietly,
methodically reconstructing

the events of last Sunday
evening to answer the question:

Could this American sports
hero, possibly, be a murderer?

At the time that this murder took place,

OJ was at home, awaiting a limousine

to take him to the airport

for a promotional event in Chicago.

OJ Simpson has described

him as his quarterback.

He is defense attorney Robert Shapiro.

I agree with that assessment.

He was known as the fixer.

He was a Hollywood lawyer.

He was not know as a
"trial dogg" with two G's.

You hired Bob Shapiro to cut a deal.

Bob had never tried a murder case.

And so when he called me in June

and said, "I need some
help in the OJ case."

I was more than ready.

Well, I worked for Bob Shapiro

on some of his other cases

and I was pretty successful.

So they recruited me as
the defense investigator.

OJ was putting together his team.

They sent a guy over to me.

"Hey man, we're putting
together this thing."

"We're going to need you, OJ needs you."

And I said, "I'm not on board."

And I'll never forget that
investigator's look on his face.

He said, "What?"

I said, "OJ killed her, I'm not on board."

I gotta say, I have a lot of fun with her.

At times, I felt like a
big brother to her 'cause

I'd come over there and
she'd share things with me.

And I kinda felt special that she thought

enough of me to tell me her problems.

She's a great human being.

Thank you.

I remember early in...

in the years that her and OJ was dating,

we were all down in the Caribbean.

OJ was working on a film,

and if a lot of don't know,
I'm gonna let you know now,

blacks can not swim, we can't float.

Justin can.

Well, thank God, well
he got that from his mom.

So, we're out in the saltwater, right?

And Nicole is out there
looking like, you know,

she was made to swim,
she's backstroking and

she's doing all these things.

So, here's OJ and I, we're standing

on the shore and she's waving us in.

Now, this is saltwater, in the Caribbean.

Everything down there floats.

OJ and I got out there
and we tried to float,

and she thought that's the funniest thing

she'd ever seen in her life.

She could not believe it.

And one of the things about Nicole,

which all of you will
agree, was Nicole's laugh.

Once that woman laughed,

she was, uh...

She brought out a lot of goodness in you.

Nicole was very, very special to me.

That was my buddy.

And, um...

And I know, Sydney and Justin,

you've been blessed because of a lot

of her character and
the goodness about her.

You're not going to notice it now,

but you're going to
notice it as you get older

cause she's laid a great
foundation for you two.

I love you, Nicole, and
I love you too, Jason.

I mean Justin and Sydney

and I'll always will be there for you.

OJ Simpson may soon face legal action.

The Associated Press
says a homicide detective

has told them Simpson's
arrest is imminent.

It is not only OJ Simpson's life

that is coming under the media microscope.

Reporters are looking,
too, at Ronald Goldman,

the aspiring model, who was
killed with Nicole Simpson.

His family said he was
nothing more than a friend.

He was a special human being

that didn't deserve what's happened.

He was gonna open a restaurant.

After Ron was murdered,
we went to his apartment.

He had a floor plan, he had a menu,

he had names of people whose art

he was gonna hang on the wall.

He had everything worked out.

Obviously, this is your older brother.

We don't get to spend
very much time together,

so I'm very glad that
I was able to be here.

So I love you very much
and I'll see you soon.

That was all taken away.

My sister's body was gonna
be behind closed doors.

I said to my friend,
"I can't go in there."

And as I'm having this conversation

with them I'm hearing screams.

Looking at her I can remember a black

dress up to her neck because

what I had heard is that her head was

almost cut off all the way.

Which even shocked me more and more.

I mean that was just like...

and seeing her there,
lying there in a coffin.

I mean, it really, I mean,

I don't know, it's just terrible.

He came to the wake.

It was just unbelievable.

We were all kind of in
shock that he came there.

Judy asked him directly,
did you kill my daughter?

No, no. I loved her too much.

He was, like, on Xanax or something.

He was just sedated.

I leaned over to him and said,

"We're going to get through this."

I had no idea what was going on.

Action News has learned that Simpson's

attorney is working on a deal with police

for Simpson's surrender to avoid what the

lawyer calls, and we
quote, "a media circus."

Shapiro was going to surrender

him to the detectives in the morning.

We're standing outside Parker Center

waiting for OJ to turn himself in.

Every time a car would
pass by, is that OJ?

I think it was 11:00.

Oh, no, he doesn't show up.

I think I'd already
scheduled a press conference.

And it's like, oh, no.

We potentially could look
like a bunch of clowns here.

I did not know about the
arrangements for his surrender.

I went with the assumption that they

would announce that he had been arrested.

Gascon's coming up.

Looking out at the auditorium,

not only are all the seats taken,

but all the aisles are jammed,

the front is jammed,
the back wall is jammed.

He's on the stage.

And I was the one who was gonna

have to stand out there naked.

This morning detectives
for the Los Angeles

Police Department sought
and obtained a warrant

for the arrest of OJ Simpson, charging him

with the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson

and Ronald Lyle Goldman.

Mr. Simpson, in agreement
with his attorney,

was scheduled to surrender this morning,

to the Los Angeles Police Department.

Initially, that was 11:00.

It then became 11:45.

Mr. Simpson has not appeared.

The Los Angeles Police
Department, right now,

is actively searching for Mr. Simpson.

The gasp that went through the room,

I think it's right at that moment,

that I realized, oh boy, this is big.

We will continue our
pursuit of Mr. Simpson

and hope to have him in custody soon.

He's gone.

I looked at Marika and said,

"It's a helicopter story now.

Let's find this son of a bitch."

I can take a few questions.

I'd known Gascon for a long time

and he's a fairly easygoing guy normally.

You're gonna have to hold it down.

One at a time or won't
be able to hear you.

Then a sense of humor
to add a light touch.

You asked a question, would
you like for me to answer?

He got pretty tightly wound that day.

I doubt that there's
anyone around this country

that's been monitoring television, radio,

or newspapers, that
doesn't know at this point

that something's going on in this case.

If you, in any way, are
assisting Mr. Simpson

in avoiding justice, Mr.
Simpson is a fugitive of

justice right now.

And If you assist him in any way,

you are committing a felony.

I was pissed off that we were in essence

given the old Italian gesture.

I don't recall being that
upset before in the DA's office.

I'm angry, I'm not embarrassed.

Angry at who, beyond...

I'm angry at OJ Simpson.

It is not an escape,
he was not under arrest.

He was under sedation in a
very very emotional state.

He was at a residence that is secluded,

that is very, very hard to find,

and there was never any thought of him

leaving that residence without us.

This letter was written by OJ today.

First, everyone understand,

I had nothing to do with Nicole's murder.

I loved her, always have, and always will.

If we had a problem, it's
because I loved her so much.

It's 1700, 5 pm, when you have

Karsashian reading the letter.

I thought, wow, maybe he killed himself.

I think of my life and feel I've done most

of the right things, so
why do I end up like this?

I can't go on.

No matter what the outcome,

people will look and point.

I can't take that.

I can't subject my children to that.

We deal with folks who are in crisis

and get to a very dark
place and they just do it.

Don't feel sorry for me.

I've had a great life.

Great friends.

Please think of the real
OJ and not this lost person.

The note says, to me,
feel sorry for me but...

I'm the guy, you know, I'm the bad guy.

He was, Mr. Cawlings was with him,

he was his best friend, he was by his side

for the last few minutes
alone while we were upstairs.

AC just had a love for OJ.

I remember once, in high school,

a friend of mine had a starter

pistol that he brought to school.

So we said okay, let's go,

take the gun and pull it on OJ

and act like we're gonna shoot him.

We were all down for it.

So, we went out on the
field where OJ and Al were

and my friend, Ray, well,
he pulled the gun out

and everybody sorta stepped back.

And Al Cowlings stepped in front of OJ.

And said, "Ray, if you gonna shoot OJ,

you gotta shoot me first."

1993 Ford Bronco.

We're listening to the Los
Angeles Police Department

and they believe that this vehicle

is somewhere in the
vicinity of the El Toro Y.

And I look down below
and there's the El Toro Y.

And there's a white Bronco.

Then there's a sheriff's unit and

there's another sheriff's unit
and another sheriff's unit.

Okay, here we are, open the door.

We get the door open and
we get our very first shot.

And I'm back on the two way radio

telling CBS, you gotta get
us on the air, we found him.

And with a flip of the switch,
we were on with Dan Rather.

This is Dan Rather with Connie Chung

in Los Angeles and let's
hold on a second here.

I'm seeing on the monitor
this live helicopter

coverage of the Ford Bronco
being followed by the police.

And let's pick up some of the

transmission from the helicopter.

They believe he's suicidal

and very dangerous.

Unfortunately at this time it does not

appear as though the
driver is slowing down

or complying with the
orders of the officers.

We were on the air
exclusively for 22 minutes.

And this was the most
conflicted I had every been.

The gravity of the murder, I mean,

this was a double homicide
and this is a tragic story.

Very few human beings
fall as far as OJ Simpson.

I've fallen quite a bit
transitioning, you know,

you go from being like a
hero pilot to some tranny,

you know, so I've fallen
somewhat myself but

this is like an epic fall.

And I'm weighing consequences of this with

also the biggest news story, like, ever.

I'm going to use a

pair of binoculars to try to determine

whether or not I can see Mr. Simpson.

Fuck NBC, fuck ABC, fuck those guys.

I hope they shoot this son of a bitch.

And I hope they kill him
before the competitors get here.

911, what are you reporting?

This is AC.

I have OJ in the car.

Okay, where are you?

Please, I'm coming up the 5 freeway.

Okay.

Right now we are okay.

But you got to tell
the police to back off.

He's still alive, but
he's got a gun to his head.

Okay, hold on a minute, Monica.

He just wants to see his mother.

Let me get him to the house.

Okay, hold on a moment.

Okay, what's your name?

My name is AC.

You know who I am, God dammit.

Okay.

Right now, that OJ's sitting
there is the passenger seat with

a gun pointed at his own head.

Someone turned the TV on and there he is.

14 units of the Orange County Sheriff's

Department and Highway Patrol

following behind a good distance.

Oh my God, this isn't
real, this can't be real.

We're dumbfounded.

Law enforcement is following Simpson.

They want him to stop.

Red lights and sirens.

It's not an escort.

Why are they allowing him to continue?

Really, the game plan is

really being conducted by Mr. Simpson

at this point and it's very much like

when the president travels down a major

thoroughfare, like a freeway.

I was wondering, okay, maybe around

the next curve they've got it marked

off and they're going
to force him to stop.

It wasn't like they were
going 100 miles an hour.

But I'm not a police tactician.

That was their call.

I've covered so many of these things,

this was not usual police behavior.

If OJ Simpson were black,

that shit wouldn't have happened.

He'd be on the ground getting clubbed.

But since he transcended race and color

to the exalted status of celebrity,

he got a motorcade.

This is not a chase,

this is basically an accompaniment.

Nobody is doing anything.

So I'm talking to Eddie Jo
Fairbanks in the DA's office.

She said, "Well, I just happen to

have his cell number, would you like it?

You there?

Just let me get to my house.

Okay, we're gonna do that.

I swear to you I'll give you,

I'll give you me, I'll
give you my whole body.

Okay...

I just need to get to my house.

Okay, we're gonna do that,

just throw the gun out the window.

I can't do that.

We're not gonna bother you,

we're gonna let you go up there.

Just throw it out this window,

please, you're scaring everybody.

This is not to keep

you guys away from me, this is for me.

I know that, nobody's gonna hurt you.

This is for me.

He's trying, in my mind,

to imply he's going to commit suicide,

but he's not saying that.

So, I'm playing along with that.

Hey, everybody loves you, don't do this.

Just throw it out the window
and nobody's gonna get hurt.

You've got a guy here that's,

I don't know where his mind is,

I really believe he killed two people.

But now he's got a loaded gun,
and he's being chased by cops.

Is he gonna start shooting at the cops?

Is he gonna shoot at AC and kill...

Is he gonna blow his own brains out?

I do know if I can engage
him in a conversation it's

going to temporarily at least
take his mind off the gun.

I'm the only one that deserves this.

No, you're don't deserve that.

You do not deserve to get hurt.

Don't do this.

All I did was love Nicole.

All I did was love her.

I understand.

Love everybody, show everybody

my whole life and I love everybody.

We know that and everybody loves you.

Your kids need you.

I've already said goodbye to my kids.

You're gonna hurt everybody.

I'm just gonna have to see.

No, don't

I'm gonna go with Nicole.
That's all I'm gonna do.

That's all I'm trying to do.

Think about everybody else, alright?

I couldn't on the freeway.

I couldn't do it in a field.

I want to do it at her grave.

I want to do it at my house.

You gonna go to the house?

We were told he was going
to the Rockingham location.

And that's all we were told.

If they requested SWAT
to handle something,

that's because they can't
handle it themselves.

I was told you're going to do the talking,

you're going to be the negotiator.

Drive time from downtown to the west side

was gonna take 30, 40 minutes.

We were trying to beat him.

They were pressuring
us. He's pretty close.

We were estimating we were
about 10 minutes ahead.

The last thing we want is for
him to get there before us.

Because now we're going to lose control.

And we're on the freeway
and all the overpasses,

there were people already staged.

Signs, free OJ, we love you OJ,

What a bunch of losers.

I think people realized, hey,

this is gonna be passing my neighborhood.

And they wanted to see OJ's last run.

This was not a somber event.

This was one of Los
Angeles's largest parties.

This was lined with people.

And they're running full
speed down the street,

trying to get to the location.

We're not used to seeing
those types of crowds rush in.

OJ! OJ! OJ! OJ!

District Attorney of Los Angeles,

Mr. Gil Garcetti, will
the fact that he has fled

make things worse for him?

Any time you have an accused who leaves,

that and the fact, we believe,

shows a consciousness of guilt.

I think earlier in the week,

all of us close to OJ

didn't believe that he
had been involved in this.

And now I think there's
a sense of resignation

and has been for the last 24 hours and

we can't believe what's happening

and there was nothing ever, ever

in the past that would indicate

that OJ would be capable of
doing what he's doing right now.

Did they let you go?

They didn't say anything,
all of a sudden, they just...

What was that?

Yeah.

Oh, okay, CBS is trying to get you in.

Now, he's pulling off now,

they've just pulled off a main highway.

Judy Mullard, help us here.

I can't tell ya, looks like

Santa Monica Freeway, heading I can't

tell ya yet.

Look at all these people

rushing up to the
corner. No, it's an exit.

This word has obviously spread

Judy, hang on, look at all
these people rushing, waving...

There is an absolutely utterly macabe

nature to all this.

They've been cheering him on,

yelling go Juice go.

Cheering him on,

He pulled off at Sunset,

off the 405, he's on his
way back toward Brentwood.

When I got on scene there, I
walked toward the residence,

there was family inside the
residence and they were eating.

Looked like they had
like a sandwich buffet

that they were doing and
they were watching tv.

Dining.

I use that clinical term.

Nutty.

Both sides of the street

have pedestrians, he just
passed us at Barrington.

Okay, Eric, its only now probably

three minutes at the most I would

say to his home in Brentwood.

They're passing the
church installed there.

They are heading right into Brentwood now.

He's heading to my house.

He's making a right turn, I assume,

that's up into Brentwood Park,

and appears to be on the way to

either his home or very close to his home.

We closed the gate on Rockingham,

we left this one open to force him through

and make him come into
where we wanted him.

There was a sniper team in
this house across the street,

there's a sniper team on top
of the roof at the residence.

And there was one across the street.

Use your own discretion.

You take him down if you have to.

When'd you see the kids last, Juice?

He's pulling up in my driveway.

I know, I see you, I see you.

Please, toss the gun.

Juice, just toss it.

He's pulling into his house, oh shit.

I've never seen anything like this.

Mr. Simpson, OJ please.

When we're standing
in the threshold there,

to my right is a television so,

when the Bronco pulls into the driveway

I see Bronco, Cawlings,
Simpson in the backseat

and then I look right here and I get the

point of view that you're seeing.

Oh my goodness gracious.

He's come home after all of that.

Just as we're trying to get words out,

a young man runs up to the
driver's side of the door

and starts hitting at AC Cawlings.

Who is that out there?

He's just trying to help.

He's just trying to help, man.

Kardashian said, "That's Jason
Simpson, That's OJ's son."

So, I told Pepabrick, I said,
"Go out there and get him."

Moved him out,

now we get down to the
business that we designed.

In this juncture, it's very fragile.

What exacerbates, what
makes it crazy, is the noise,

you had a helicopter
seemed like about 50 feet

off the deck, every car
that was in the following

had their red lights and sirens on.

If you just take a snapshot,

you'd go, this is
madness, absolute madness.

I watched that from the newsroom

and when I saw a couple
of the SWAT officers

that I recognized run
across the shot, I thought,

oh my God, they're gonna
kill him in the driveway.

Just toss it please.

Alright?

Juice, just toss the gun.

I did not want him to get out

of the car with a gun in his hand,

they'd have dumped him,

they would not have had a choice.

Juice, come on, Juice.

They resolve most situations peacefully,

but they are there to
finish it one way or another.

OJ, no, no OJ.

Don't, no man, don't.

Juice, don't do it, Juice.

Pick it up.

I'm thinking, okay, there are a lot

of people that are betting on us.

That we're going to screw this up.

That are cynical.

That believe that we are a

brutal horrible organization.

And it's just not the case.

How do they know, that the police

and the DA didn't make all this

evidence up, to make him
act the way that he's acting?

We were recovering from Rodney King

and it's so important for the people

to see things that go the right way.

There is so much on the news where

things go the wrong way.

Normally, that would be on my mind,

but that night it wasn't.

Doors opening.

That is Al Cawlings.

He's quite, quite upset at the moment.

Yeah.

Quite emotional here.

I've got to get Cawlings out.

As much as he was trying to help,

he was interfering in
where I needed to do.

I needed to speak directly to Mr. Simpson,

to try and keep him from hurting himself.

And Mr. Cawlings was
trying to be a go between.

He was very worried about his friend.

He kept asking us, please don't hurt him,

please don't hurt him, please.

And he wanted to go back,

he wanted to stay with his friend.

And we wouldn't allow it, we can't.

Police haven't made a move,

we understand negotiations
are still going on.

Simpson, you can see him,

cradling what looks like framed photos,

but clearly he has the barrel
of a weapon under his chin

and it looks like he's just resting his

chin on the barrel of the weapon.

It was the look of a defeated man.

They are, according to police scanners,

talking to OJ on the
phone, from the inside

the house, trying to negotiate something.

I said to him very early on,

I don't think your children
need to see another tragedy.

And he immediately changed the subject

right to about himself, he
wouldn't even speak to that.

I said I know where he's coming from.

There was so much memorabilia
and stuff of him everywhere,

normally you would see other photos

of family members or something else,

you didn't see those
things, it was all him.

I told Mike Albanis, Mike,
I can talk him into it.

We can appeal to his ego enough

that he's going to come out for us.

His voice, in the beginning, was

excited but then it called down.

The more we spoke about
him, the more he liked it.

We want to show them that you're

still the person you
have been all these years.

This great football player,
this great everything.

He asked me to come out to the car,

and I said, "No, you're going to show

them yourself, you're going to show them

just how big and courageous you are,

you're going to walk to me and you're

going to leave the gun in the car,

you're going to walk out
and show everyone, right now.

You're going to do this."

My personal spin, I think, he wanted

to surrender when it was dark.

So that he wouldn't be seen.

Night has fallen here over Brentwood.

He had two picture frames
that were cradled in his arms.

We told him, open the door,

put your arm out with the frame,

and the other arm out
with the framed photo,

so it's clear to everybody,
so there was no mistaking.

Doors open, dome lights
on, he's out of the vehicle.

Kinda just hunches over,

shuffles six eight steps to us,

and collapses in our arms.

He goes, "I'm sorry,

I was never going to
hurt you guys. I'm sorry.

I was never going to hurt you guys."

OJ's in custody.

We understand that OJ's in custody.

They're calling a code four.

All clear, all safe.

Thank you, thank you to God.

Unbelievable, we saw an incredible

situation that's gone on for hours.

Incredible restraint by the
Los Angeles Police Department.

The officer's kept their distance.

They allowed the SWAT team, the pros,

to come in, they took their positions.

He'd asked me to stay with
him throughout the process.

I promised him I would stay with him.

I said it's time, I
gotta handcuff you now,

you need to be handcuffed.

I'm sorry this is the way it works.

As we take off, Simpson
is amazed at the crowds.

He just couldn't believe there
was this many people there.

Free OJ, Free OJ!

And he said, "what are all these

niggers doing in Brentwood?"

I walk outside and Shapiro's there.

Shapiro shakes my hand, he says,

"Thank you for not killing OJ Simpson."

He grabbed me and went to hug me.

I go, let's just,

I wasn't in the mood for a hug

and maybe I wasn't professional.

I don't know the frickin guy, right,

and he wants to weep on me?

Well this is nutty did. It really is.

I said, I have seen
everything in law enforcement.

There is nothing else that can top this.

Later today in Los Angeles, OJ Simpson

is expected to make his
first court appearance.

OJ has been in jail,
under a suicide watch,

visited only by a
psychiatrist and his lawyer.

Please,

Alright, people.

Please speak up so you may be heard.

Uh, yes.

Pardon me, I'm sorry.

May we start all over again?

Yes.

He looked a mess.

He looked like someone
who had committed murder.

There was nothing about the old

smiling Simpson, about him that day.

Your charges for this complaint

in that you willfully and
unlawfully with pronounced

forethought murder of
Nicole Brown Simpson.

In count two your charge is the crime

of murder in violation
of penal code section 187.

That you willfully and
unlawfully with pronounced

forethought murder of Ronald Lyle Goldman.

When he initially entered the plea,

he barely choked it out.

Not guilty.

Alright, then, the not guilty plea will

be entered, the case will be set for a

preliminary hearing within
the statutory period.

Recess.

This case will be handled
as every case is handled,

the case will be thoroughly
investigated by top

notch investigators, we
will present the prosecution

in a thorough and professional manner.

I amongst others, recommended her.

I was aware of her
successes in the court room.

I knew she was a very
dynamic trial lawyer.

I want no one to forget the fact that

Robert Barto wakes up every morning,

and Rebecca Schaeffer lies
buried in a grave in Oregon.

Worked extraordinarily hard,

she was very facile with trace evidence,

hair, fiber, and the like.

She was up to speed on DNA.

She was one of our best trial lawyers.

I think that with all the questions

that we've been getting about the

public sympathy for Mr. Simpson,

we should not forget the fact that

we have two victims,
that were brutally slain.

I have to say, it never mattered to me

who the defendant was, it
was a question of who did it.

Whether their famous,
whether their not famous.

They all get the same treatment.

You are looking at inmate
number 4103970, OJ Simpson.

I believed he was innocent.

I was like everybody else,
it was incomprehensible

that my friend could do this.

I snuck into the jail to see him and

there's this guy that was my buddy and

he looked emaciated,

he was in an orange jumpsuit,

and he was shackled to
the desk in front of me.

Then he looked at me on the
other side of plexiglasses,

close as he could be, and he said,

"I swear to God, I didn't do this."

I believed him.

He asked me if I kind of would be the

chronicler of the whole thing.

Would I write a book
about the whole thing.

I backed away from that.

Then, in a moment of ultimate surrealism,

I'm sitting with OJ

and Lyle Menendez walks behind him.

And I just went, shit, this is more

than my little pea brain can handle.

Bob, OJ Simpson is in a Los
Angeles jail cell tonight.

His attorney says he spoke to him today

and that Simpson was in tears.

Now, Cawlings, was himself, arrested

on a felony charge of aiding a fugitive.

Get away from my fucking house.

Simpson, had $10,000 in cash

and a passport at that point.

I love OJ

no matter what happens.

The murder with special circumstances,

death penalty charges.

The final DNA tests are positive for

intense and purposes, OJ Simpson really

has no option but to admit that he killed.

The man who will lead the prosecution

of the case, against OJ Simpson,

is Los Angeles District
Attorney, Gil Garcetti.

You said earlier, "It's not going

to shock me if we see OJ Simpson

sometime down the road say okay

I did do it but I'm not responsible."

That certainly sounded, to me,

like a prosecutor very
comfortable with his case.

I am comfortable with the case,

I don't mean to speculate as to what

the defense is going to be but I

have been a prosecutor for 25 years.

The evidence was so overwhelming,

there was just no doubt.

A blood trail that led from Bundy

all the way into his bedroom.

I don't think I'd ever seen that much

evidence in any single case ever.

When you couple that with
evidence of motivation,

and that was the history
of domestic violence,

with Simpson physically and

psychologically abusing Nicole Brown.

This is my woman.

This was a domestic violence case

that culminated in murder.

End of story.

Both sides are going to try

to place the publicity thier way

but because this is a major celebrity,

probably this is the most famous

American ever charged with murder,

there will not business as usual.

My former criminal law
professor, Alan Dershowitz,

was part of what would later
become known as the dream team,

OJ Simpson's lawyers.

So, I called up Alan, and I said,

"You know, what do you
think of this case?"

And he said, "I don't know,

but you ought to look
into this guy, this cop.

Mark Fuhrman, there's
something bad about him."

I first met Mark during the

execution of a second search warrant.

I was impressed, he seemed
to have an eye for detail.

Some of his investigative moves,

particularly going up to Rockingham,

struck me as this is a smart detective.

Mark Fuhrman,
M-A-R-K F-U-H-R-M-A-N.

When he testified at
the preliminary hearing,

he did a really good job.

Blood to the left of the footprint

would indicate that the person that left

the scene was bleeding from
the left side of his body.

And the spot on the Bronco

would coincide with that injury.

He was on top of his game.

His memory of the search of

Rockingham was the primary thing.

And it was detailed and consistent.

And why was it that you
did not secure the residence

for a search warrant
before finding the glove.

This is not a situation where we

had the time to stand out in the

street and just wait and wonder.

We had to do something.

I thought maybe this guy
Fuhrman has done something wrong.

Maybe, he's been sued.

There was this dungeon like basement

in downtown Los Angeles with all

the records of civil court filings.

And I started burrowing through these

records looking for Mark
Fuhrman as a defendant.

And that's not what I found.

I found a lawsuit where Mark
Fuhrman was the plaintiff.

He had actually sued the
Los Angeles Pension Board

asking to be relieved as a police officer

and get a pension because his mind

was so poisoned by hatred of black people.

And I thought to myself,
now that's a story.

I show up uninvited at
Robert Shapiro's office.

And I say, "I've been
looking at Mark Fuhrman's file

and there's some pretty
amazing stuff in there."

And I remember, to this day, he sort

of rocked back in his chair.

He said, "You saw that?"

I said, "Yeah".

He said, "You think that's bad,

we think he planted the glove.

Fuhrman, according to this article

had used a lot of racial epithets.

Having that out there,

really brought home the
fact that we've got a

dynamic here we're
gonna have to deal with.

They found a flaw in me, and
then they made up a nexus,

a connection to the flaw to the case.

I mean, I had a bad couple years

but I came out

better, I came out of it.

It is what it is.

That article came out at just

about the same time, Johnny Cochran

was coming aboard the defense team.

And my thought at the time was,

here comes the race card.

My name is Johnny L. Cochran Jr.

I am primarily a civil rights lawyer.

And I represent a number of clients

who have had their civil rights abridged.

He and his firm were
central players in this story

of the LAPD and race in Los Angeles.

Growing up in America,

any African American will tell you that,

we know we have to run faster,

jump higher, work harder,

to do the same that anyone else has to do.

Johnny Cochran was
always the icon to young

black, brown, and oppressed
people in Los Angeles

because Johnny was that young

dashing lawyer who took on the police.

Johnny Cochran made his name

as a public lawyer in the Deadwyler case.

The latest explosion of violence in Watts

really began here 11 days ago.

A negro motorist driving down here

was rushing his wife to the hospital,

she was having labor pains,

they were stopped, stopped
by a white patrolman.

One policeman got out
and came around to my side

and my husband leaned over me

and asked him if he would

lead him out to the
hospital to care of me.

And then he, he didn't say
anything, and he shot him.

And he fell over me.

Mr. Cochran would like to know,

did you get inside the Deadwyler car

with the upper part of
your body voluntarily?

Yes sir.

Mr. Cochran would like to know,

did you observe any weapons
within the Deadwyler car?

No, sir, I did not.

Mr. Cochran wants to know,

that became the catchphrase because

the lawyer, himself, could
not ask the questions.

He had to go through the county council.

Mr. Cochran would like to know,

if you been trained to keep your

weapon away from a suspect?

Yes, sir.

Johnny was like 27-28 years old then.

He was a young whippersnapper.

Mr. Cochran would like to know,

while you were at the Los
Angeles police academy,

did they train you to put your

upper part of your body inside a car?

Not specifically that, no.

Because it was a televised trial,

he became a hero to everybody

in to the south central community.

Few people had higher
standing, deeper standing.

Johnny was always that
stalwart defender of justice,

fighting against the bastille.

Each of the defendants across the board

were found not guilty of the

assaults on the police officers.

Mr. Settles was beaten, the
booking photos show that.

I want to know if they had
anything to do with his death.

I want to know, whether
or not, he hung himself

or whether or not he was hung.

The only version that you heard

of what transpired was what the

police officers told
you, isn't that correct?

It's not that Johnny was the

only good lawyer for OJ Simpson

but I would say that he and his firm

were the only lawyers that
would really understand

and argue this case in the context of

the LAPD's relationship
to African Americans.

Now, did he also like a big
celebrity trial, you bet.

Michael Jackson has maintained

his innocence from the
beginning of this matter.

He still, maintains that innocence.

He was a big character, he was flamboyant.

- I love you.
- [Hi Johnny].

We were talking about
different styles of lawyering

and how you make a case to jury

and one of the things he said

about predominately
African American juries,

he goes Jimmy, when is
what he used to call me,

he said, Jimmy, blacks like big.

And he liked to be big.

My daughter was in the Watts parade and

Johnny Cochran was the grand marshal.

He said, "I want to see
you guys at the trial."

I hadn't planned to go,
but since he asked me,

I said, well Johnny wants me to come, and

he asked me to come,
so I'm coming down here.

I'm gonna find a way
to get here every day.

OJ Simpson is about appear
in a Los Angeles courtroom.

He's going to enter a plea,

a date for trial will be set,

and a judge to oversee the
trial is going to be appointed.

This is the time set for the
arraignment of Mr. Simpson.

Mr. Simpson you are charged
with the crime of murder.

Are you ready to enter
a plea at this time?

Yes, your honor.

How do you plea to counts one and two?

Absolutely 100% not guilty.

That's when I want to
hear, you're not guilty.

He was back on his feet and ready

to tell the whole world
that he was wrongly accused.

And it was just the
biggest bunch of horse shit.

Thank you, you may be seated.

But he sold it.

I gave him a thumbs up.

And he looked over at
me and he waved at me.

He was very good looking.

And that day he was really good looking.

I may not have thought he
was a big celebrity but it

became really clear to me super
fast that he was to others.

OJ Simpson, I really admire the guy,

football, and great actor.

OJ Simpson has been a
hero of mine since college.

I think he's a great
man and a a great hero,

and has touched a lot of lives.

I don't think he did it,

doesn't seem like that kind of person.

I'm assigning the case to Judge Lance Ito.

Judge Ito is an acceptable fashion.

Judge Ito will be accepted
for the people as well.

Very well, thank you, then
that is the assignment.

Here's the first time we'll
really get to see the system.

To see if it really works.

For someone with some money, a celebrity.

A well loved, respected,
cherished type of man.

Now, let's see if
justice can work for him.

There's nothing more important

during a jury trial, than
the selection of your jury.

You can win or lose you case right there.

The issue of where to conduct the trial,

the Santa Monica court house,
largely white jury pool.

Downtown LA, largely black jury pool.

Gil Garcetti, the DA, always said,

"Well it just logistically
had to be downtown."

A lot of us thought that Gil Garcetti,

elected official, needed to protect

his reputation in the black community,

a big voting block, by
keeping the case downtown.

I'm confident that we can, indeed,

find white, black,
brown, every color juror

there is, who will, indeed,
be fair and impartial.

I think it would have
been societally better,

from the DA's perspective,
to win a conviction downtown.

And to not be accused
of having stacked this,

in such a way that whites were to

stand in judgment of black men.

If you have a juror who believes

police never do anything
wrong, you're in tough shape.

Certainly, you can find most people,

want to believe their police officers are

fair and want to do their job and so

that's a given, you start with that,

but you've got to find that person who

understands that in the real world

that doesn't happen all the time.

We interviewed over 5000
people in Los Angeles

in perpetration for the OJ Simpson trial.

The conclusions were that

just presenting the straight up evidence,

you weren't going to get a lot of

sympathetic African American females,

many harbored a resentment that this

famous athlete, this charming guy,

had a married a white, blonde woman

rather than someone
from his own community.

But the antagonism was to her and not him.

OJ you look gorgeous right now.

How come you're so loyal to this man

who married a white woman?

And was dating her while he
was married to a black woman.

I mean, doesn't any of this make

you feel a little less defensive of him.

Marcia Clark had this

faith about her ability to connect

with African American woman.

African American women had been some

of my best jurors on previous cases.

Even when the defendant
was an African American.

There was just a way, an easy way I had,

that I could talk to them.

Now, we will show you the other side

of the smiling face that you
saw on the Hertz commercial.

We had trial simulations.

The one you never saw on camera.

Marcia was not received positively.

Marcia Clark, every black woman, bitch.

When they had the mock jury,

the mock trial, and some of the comments

came back about you, about maybe being

really hard or tough, what did you

think when you heard some of that.

I was very surprised, the balance of them

said good things, so, you know, the media

takes one kernel and blows it up into

a huge bowl of popcorn.

Marcia tended to discount the

fact that black women jurors didn't

seem to appreciate her very much.

I had no illusions about what

I was going to be up against.

The odds were stacked against us

in terms of the African American jurors

because that's what the polls showed.

A California poll, released

today, found that only 10% of blacks,

who were surveyed, believed it is very

likely, that Simpson was guilty.

The ideal juror would have been

younger, i.e. someone not familiar

with Simpson at the high of his fame,

Asian, or probably white.

All we want, just give me,

12 fair, responsible, unbiased jurors

who are going to follow the law

and put aside their personal feelings

and do what the court
and the law requires.

In Los Angeles today,
the judge and lawyers

in the OJ Simpson murder trial began

interviewing prospective
jurors face to face.

Just to set the scene for you,

when all the jurors walk in,

all the attorneys are lined
up like a receiving line,

and several times during the proceedings,

OJ Simpson would turn and seem to

make eye contact with people,

and occasionally smile
at people in the audience.

The quest for impartial jurors has

been going on now for more than a month.

They called me to the chair.

When I sat down, I didn't
even put my purse down.

Because I felt like it
was going to be that quick.

They were going to say, you're excused.

I'm looking at the list,

I know what's coming up.

I know who's left behind me.

I know what I've got in the box.

I have to look and see,

am I going to do better or worse.

There was a process,
of what I have labeled

as reverse Darwinism,

I call it the survival
of the most unfit jurors.

Many it seems want to watch,

but fewer wish to serve.

91 of 219 people summoned for

Simpson jury duty,
said in a questionnaire,

a likely 6 month trial would
be too great a hardship.

I think it's the only way, to ensure

that we are going to have
a fair trial for both sides.

Jurors who were available for six months

skewed heavily towards
a lower socioeconomic

strata of jurors and a
much more diverse jury pool.

A lot of smart jurors who might have been

open to DNA scientific evidence
simply went by the wayside.

We didn't have many of our type of juror.

I thought, okay, I better
quit while I'm behind

and not get further behind because it was

only going to go downhill from there.

They said, your honor we accept,

and at that point, I sunk in my chair.

I was stunned.

Oh my God, oh my God,
and I told my daughter,

and she said, oh mother, oh my God.

And my son, he said, oh my God, mother.

And that was it.

In the end, we did the best
we could with a bad lot.

We wound up with eight
African American women,

I thought, you know it
will be an uphill battle

but I think they'll listen.

Thrilled, we're thrilled.

We were so stunned

that we had such a large
collection of favorable jurors.

75% of the actual jurors believed

that he could not have
committed these murders

because he excelled at football at USC.

The only thing that could get you

through some times is that guys

look at each other and
say, hey man, we are SC.

We were about to walk in to

the lockup from the court room.

OJ looked back one last time,

it was me, Johnny, we were going

back to talk about everything

and OJ said, "Guys, if this jury

convicts me, maybe I did do it."

It has seven months to reach this point.

We are, and I think the client,

is really, really pleased, that we

can have someone stand up and
speak to the tryers of fact.

Time to stop posturing.

Let's go to trial.

Have a good one everybody.

Five, four, three, two, one.

Council and the audience please be seated.

Alright, are both sides prepared
to go forward, Mr. Cochran?

We are, your Honor.

Ms. Clark?

Yes, we are, your Honor.

Alright, do the people wish

to make an opening statement?

Yes we do.

Alright, you may proceed.

Mr. Darden, thank you.

When we started off,

the prosecution had their team of lawyers.

Your Honor Judge Ito, Mr. Cochran,

Mr. Shapiro, and Dean Allman.

And here's this new face at the table.

And to you ladies and
gentlemen of the jury,

Good morning.

And I'm like, why are they bring him here?

And we're here today,

obviously, to resolve an issue,

to settle a question,

a question that has been on the minds of

people throughout the country
these last seven months.

Certainly has been on the mind

of my people up in Richmond, California

and friends in Fayetteville, Georgia

and all across the country and

everybody wants to know, did OJ Simpson

really kill Nicole
Brown and Ronald Goldman?

It was apparent to everyone in America,

why he was now on the case.

Well, certainly because he was black.

If that was pearbuddy,
because he was a good lawyer.

He's a good lawyer, we
needed to add to the team.

Thicken the team up,
that's the party line.

I thought Chris was a
very good trial lawyer.

Any questions for Chris?

He was young, he was learning.

Come on, man, come on.

Look at this guy, come on,
we have to drag him over.

But he was very good.

There was a little bit of cockiness.

But it was not an offensive cockiness.

I don't care what anybody says,

I dress much better than Johnny Cochran.

Johnny, I'm going to introduce you to my,

well I'm gonna show you the
rack where I buy my suits.

He had a pretty good reputation

as someone who can build a case.

And of course, most
notably, Chris was black.

And Marcia and I were not.

You hear a lot about
this talk about justice.

I guess, Dr. Martin
Luther King said it best,

when he said that, injustice anywhere

is a threat to justice everywhere.

So, we are now, embarked
upon this search for justice.

I have to tell you
personally, for all the cases

I've tried, I never felt so white.

It seems to me that the fact that blood

mysteriously appears on
vital pieces of evidence

and it's predicted what the
results will be regarding DNA,

when that evidence is
still in the police lab,

is devastating evidence of
something far more sinister.

Using the concept of a
conspiracy, historically,

in Los Angeles will
resonate with diverse jurors,

who know about this history.

You had to have someone to blame.

Detective Mark Fuhrman,
now it's very interesting,

that the prosecution never once

mentioned his name yesterday.

It's like they just want to hide him,

but they can't hide him, he
very much a part of this case.

Chris Darden saw that this case

was becoming this weird
referendum on the LAPD,

on the history of race in Los Angeles.

And Chris, he understood those issues.

He had worked in what
was then our SID unit,

which investigated police abuse cases.

They obtained those warrants

simply to level and make
uninhabitable those locations.

Andyof the police officers that were

called to testify by
us, lied on the stand,

it was obvious to everyone
that they were lying.

Every black lawyer idolized
Johnny Cochran in 1994.

And I say, Chris Darden
wanted to out Johnny, Johnny.

He wanted to beat the man

on the biggest stage of his career.

Police detective Mark Fuhrman,

did he find or plant a bloody
glove at Simpson's estate?

Judge Lance Ito must soon decide

whether the jury gets to hear

about detective Fuhrman's checkered past.

We knew Fuhrman was going
to be an important witness.

People had indicated that
he had used racist language

in an offensive way, I
think, in a way that jurors

and everybody else would not like.

The N word, or any other racial epitaph,

has an inflammatory effect,
that is incomparable,

and to that specific issue,

Mr. Darden wishes to
address the court, and

I think I'll conclude
my comments at this time.

Mr. Darden, good morning.

Good morning, your Honor.

Your honor, I think the best indication

or evidence on just how inflammatory

the use of the word is, is the fact

that it appears that Mr. Cochran and I,

the only two black lead lawyers

on each side of the council table

are some how dragged into this issue,

to argue the issue to the court.

They used him to make the argument,

that an African American jury

can not listen to the
utterance of that word

in some sort of
dispassionate, objective way.

It blinds people,

it will blind the jury.

It will blind them to the truth.

They won't be able to discern
what's true and what's not.

He hit the nail on the head.

He said, if you do this, you know,

then that's all that this
case is gonna be about.

All they'll think about is
frame up, frame up, frame up.

All they do is mention the word,

say to Mark Fuhrman, hey did you ever

use that N word, and he'll
say, Yeah and it's over.

He must have planted the glove.

I remember whispering to Johnny,

is this nigger serious?

And I'm not saying Mark
Fuhrman is a racist.

Is this nigger crazy?

He was suffering from stress and

it has to be stressful to be a

police officer in the city of LA,

geez the stuff that is going on

in this city in the
last five to six years.

Is he serious?

Or is he just carrying
the white man's bucket?

It will give them a test, and

the test will be, who's side are you on?

The side of the white prosecutors
and the white policemen

or on the side of the black defendant and

his very prominent and
capable black lawyer.

That's what it's gonna do, either you're

with the man or you're with the brothers.

I must say, and this is one of those

sort of bracing moments, this is why you

need diversity in newsrooms, by the way,

is that I came out of there thinking

that Darden made a pretty good point.

That it's such a shocking word,

that I found myself
flinching at the use of it.

My colleague, Andrea Ford,

an African American women, was outraged.

She felt it was really insulting

to blacks, to African Americans,

to think they couldn't hear the word

and give it the proper weight.

And I remember thinking,
after talking to Andrea,

wow, that didn't really occur to me.

It is a reminder, that who we are

and how we're brought up does
affect the way we hear things.

Thank you very much, Judge Ito.

I have a funeral to attend today but

I would be remiss were I not at this time

to take this opportunity to respond

to my good friend, Mr. Chris Darden.

When Johnny gets angry,
which is very rare,

you know, he's remarkably
articulate and good.

Johnny got angry that day.

His remarks this morning

are perhaps the most incredible remarks

I've heard in the court of law

in the 32 years I've been practicing law.

His remarks are demeaning to
African Americans as a group.

And so I want, before
I go to this funeral,

to apologize to African
Americans across this country.

African Americans live
with offensive words,

offensive looks, offensive treatment

everyday of their lives.

To say they can't be fair
is absolutely outrageous.

I am ashamed

that Mr. Darden would allow himself to

become an apologist for this man.

You can't justify that
in a civilized society.

Nobody wants introduce race
into this case, your honor.

Johnny was dying to get the word

nigger in front of the jury.

He also did it in such a way

that, frankly, he made
Darden look ridiculous.

To come here and testify
as an expert to you

of what black people think in America.

All across America, today, believe me

black people are offended
at this very moment.

I think that Johnny was rough on him.

I think it hurt his feelings.

A lot of people thought that Chris

would end up at the Cochran firm.

And, obviously, that didn't happen.

People had contempt for him because

they felt like he was a
tool that was being used.

So time to not to do things that

it seems to me will last
a person's entire career

such as insulting a whole race of people

who have meant so much to this country.

Let's be clear about this, the subtext

of everything that Johnny Cochran said

about Chris Darden was, Uncle Tom.

And it was egregiously unfair.

Johnny Cochran, among other things,

tried OJ was an African
American defendant.

When OJ Simpson didn't really have

much of a reputation as an
African American person, really.

I used to walk on the wild side,

now I just take a brisk walk.

This was not a person
that you thought of as a,

kind of, iconic black
figure in Los Angeles.

I mean, he lived two
blocks from Mayor Riordan.

We wanted the jury to see Bundy

but the defense said, well if we're

going to do that, we
have to go to Rockingham.

They do not need to go to Rockingham

but if they do, show them
where they found the glove.

That's all that arguable relevant.

We come to find that Ito was going

to let them go into Rockingham.

He's going to march the jury

through the inside of the house,

which is relevant to what?

No part of the crime
happened inside the house.

What are we doing there?

What we did that day
is create an illusion.

When you would walk up the grand staircase

there was a large wall
with pictures of the family,

pictures of friends,

pictures of OJ's career,

problem was the overwhelming majority of

pictures were of Caucasian
friends and colleagues of his.

We had an African American jury

and we wanted to make
sure that the home setting

would reflect the themes
that we wanted to reflect.

We took all of his white friends down.

Put all of his black people up.

Pictures he probably had never seen before

because that is what we were told

the jury would identify with.

We made him blacker.

There was a Norman Rockwell lithograph

that we took from Johnny's office

and we put that picture at
the very top of the stairs.

We did not remove all of his
pictures with white people.

The whole house would have been gone,

would have been dark, we didn't do that.

You have got to be kidding
me, it's night and day.

This was an African American man's house.

Who had no associations with
any white guys whatsoever.

Marcia saw the wall

and she said, "Carl, you
know damn well, he has never

had this many black people
on his wall, his entire life."

I said, "Marcia, what are talking about?

How dare you accuse us of such things."

I was miserable, I was angry.

That is very dirty pool.

If we had had a Latin jury,

we would have had a picture
of him in a sombrero,

there would have been a
mariachi band out front,

we would have had a pinata
at the upper staircase.

I objected, we went outside,

we convened a hearing and I said,

this has no relevance whatsoever.

They've now changed the scene.

It was never relevant to begin with

and now it's completely irrelevant.

You know the defense is always

going to push the envelope,
that's what they do.

It's up to the judge to stop them.

Ito let them get away with it.

All of a sudden he became black.

They threw off the cape
and now he's one of them.

I was surprised to see the depth

of feeling that so many people in

the black community, certainly those

around the courthouse, had for him.

I feel that he is not guilty and

I also feel that he is being unfairly

treated as so have a lot of African

American persons who have been
through the judicial process.

I think that you find among black people,

an incredible amount of forgiveness

for anybody living through the pain

of being black in America.

They were not involved with OJ

in terms of critical thinking.

Why does he mean so much to you?

You know, I can't answer that,

this is just something thats

really struck a cord with me.

And I'm just compelled to be here.

He was a black man who
was on trial that they

perceived that white people
were trying to unfairly harm.

They're trying to railroad him,

they need to find the murderer.

Go out and look for the murderer.

He's accused but we all
know he didn't do it.

He was wealthy, he was powerful,
he was this, he was that,

there is a
B-U-T, but,

he was black.

So, he didn't do it?

No, he didn't do it.

How do you know?

I know he didn't do it.

How do you know?

I just know.

You may be at the top
house in Beverly Hills,

and I may be in the
basement of a place in Watts

but we are connected.

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