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WOMAN: This treasure trove
of files was going
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to be handed to Michelle.
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♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYS) ♪
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MICHELLE MCNAMARA: In Visalia,
there was this ransacker
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who totally mirrors
the East Area Rapist.
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WOMAN 2: That type of behavior,
I do think,
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could have led
to his real fantasy,
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which was rape.
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It's like he got
to the emotional center
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of people's lives.
And just wanted to destroy that.
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PATTON OSWALT: She was still
very much a mom,
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and a wife, and a friend.
But it was clear
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that she had a real shot
at solving this.
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That can really pull you into
some depths
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that you can't get out of.
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MARY RITA SKRINE:
I'll never forget,
I was driving home,
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and I remember
Patton calling me.
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♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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I think it was
right when it happened.
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Because he was just
in a scream slash cry.
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"She's dead. She's dead.
She's dead."
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And I'm not-- I'm like,
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"What are--
What are you talking about?"
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It's like, "Michelle,
she didn't wake up.
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She's not-- she's dead."
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You know, and I still
wasn't clear what was going on.
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And I said, "Patton,
can you tell me what happened?"
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You know, "What's going on?
Is she sick?"
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Or she-- you know, I mean,
it still wasn't processing.
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So, you just went
through the morning.
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And he said,
"I went into the room.
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I put down the coffee.
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She was breathing.
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After doing work
and emails, came back.
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And she wasn't."
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(SIRENS WAILING)
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"And then paramedics were there
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and said she was gone."
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PRINCE: (SINGING)
♪ Underneath the purple rain ♪
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MALE NEWS ANCHOR:
World-renowned pop artist Prince
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found dead in his estate...
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KATHLEEN CONROY: I was actually
up in Minneapolis for work,
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watching
the Prince story unfold.
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JAKE TAPPER: ...the cause
of death is not yet known.
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We do know that
the last few weeks of his life
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were a bit mysterious.
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And Mary Rita called
when I was in the hotel room.
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And...
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yeah, I just... was stunned.
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(PHONE RINGING)
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MAUREEN STRATTON: My sister
Mary Rita called me at work.
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And, um...
Yeah, it was horrible.
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I mean, she just kept saying,
"It's bad. It's really bad."
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But she-- it took her a while
to tell me what had happened,
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and it was just such a...
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out-of-the-blue,
you know, um...
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I mean,
you never expected that,
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your baby sister
to pass before you
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or anyone else in the family.
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KATHLEEN:
I can remember thinking
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something happened
that involved the case
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or, like, that it was foul play
or whatever.
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'Cause I could not wrap my head
around the fact
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that she could just
die in her sleep.
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♪ ("AVALANCHE"
BY AIMEE MANN PLAYING) ♪
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♪ Well, I stepped
Into an avalanche ♪
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♪ It covered up my soul ♪
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♪ When I am not this hunchback
That you see ♪
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♪ I sleep
Beneath the golden hill ♪
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♪ You who wish to conquer pain ♪
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♪ You must learn
Learn to serve me well ♪
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♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
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(DOOR CREAKS)
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PATTON OSWALT: I can't...
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completely trust
my memories from that time.
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I remember all of
the McNamaras being there.
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Uh, I rem-- I remember being
very, very frightened,
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and very, very--
like, pathologically
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trying to bring
any kind of normalcy
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to any minute of my life.
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(BIRDS CHIRPING)
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MAUREEN: It's a bit of a blur,
those couple weeks.
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I mean, I-- I don't-- I remember
Alice wanted to go to school,
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um, that Monday.
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I remember on the weekend
after she died,
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there-- we had a pool party.
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♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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MARY RITA: When you have
a child involved,
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you gotta make sure
she's okay moving forward,
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and that she sees that
we're gonna be there for her.
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And I remember that at night,
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Alice and Michelle
would always talk
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about what's your rose
and your thorn for the day.
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You know, the good and bad.
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And that night she said,
you know,
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"I know what my rose is
and what my thorn is.
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My rose is that
you all are here.
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My thorn is that my mom's gone."
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♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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I just-- it was terrify--
I just--
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I remember I...
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I did that thing
where I, like, closed my eyes
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and I tried to will this--
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as a nightmare, like--
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and then--
and then it just wasn't.
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FEMALE NEWS ANCHOR:
Michelle McNamara,
the wife of popular comedian
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and actor Patton Oswalt,
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has died at the age of 46.
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A spokesman says
she, a crime writer,
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died in her sleep
and that her passing
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came as a complete surprise
to the family.
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KAREN KILGARIFF: Michelle
was such a brilliant woman.
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She was such a talented writer.
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She was so into everything
that we're all into,
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and she made
such great contents.
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It's just a...
incomprehensible tragedy.
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In the true crime community,
her death was--
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It was-- It-- For a long time,
it was just unbelievable.
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You just-- you didn't--
of course, no one expected it,
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but you really don't expect it
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when someone is in the midst
of something like that.
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Like, she was on this journey,
this very public journey,
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and this very important one
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that was getting
all this kinda steam behind it.
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And then just a sudden loss,
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like-- like--
like a shocking stop.
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♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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You know, one of the first
things I thought was,
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"That-- that book
has to get finished."
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And I actually,
uh, texted Patton
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just to say,
"Whatever I can do."
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And Patton answered and was
like, "We're already on it."
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(SIGHS)
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PAUL HAYNES:
When I learned that she died,
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it was so painful.
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I felt like
I was damaging my body.
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And then, I was contacted
by one of Michelle's friends
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with respect to the boxes.
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"What do we do with them?"
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I was like,
"Well, give them to me,"
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you know, "I'll take them."
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My dining area became
a cold case storage locker
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for the better part
of that year.
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My commitment was
to ensuring that the many hours
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that she'd spent working
on this case
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weren't futile.
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You know, that we could resume
where she left off.
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I wanted to take care
of this person
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for her whole life.
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And Michelle's book
was always such a dream for her.
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So, it almost felt
like it was my last opportunity
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to take care
of something for her.
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DANIEL GREENBERG: Once Patton
had kind of given us
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the signal, "Let's do it,"
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there was the process of
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Jennifer going through
all of her emails and files
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and saying, "Okay,
I have 150 manuscript pages.
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But what else is there?"
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That's when I started to get
in touch with Paul Haynes
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because someone had to go
into her computer.
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And then, we brought
Billy Jensen in
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because he was a friend,
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and he was a true crime writer
himself.
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BILLY JENSEN: Every month,
Michelle and I would meet
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and she would talk to me
about her case
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and I would talk about my cases.
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I mean,
this was a relationship
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that was entirely based
on crime.
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So, the only thing I thought
that I could do to help
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was to help finish this book.
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Paul sends me her entire
hard drive,
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and I'm looking and I'm going,
"All right, well,
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what do we have
to work with here?"
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And I start reading it,
and it's so good.
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MICHELLE MCNAMARA:
(READS)
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Every obsession
needs a room of its own.
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HAYNES: There were a lot
of pieces of writing,
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a lot of notes,
a lot of Word documents
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with fragments of things.
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MICHELLE: "The act
of bludgeoning was arousal..."
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HAYNES:
Like email correspondences...
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MICHELLE: "The ratio
of investigating to writing
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is out of whack for me..."
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HAYNES:
...and her chapter outlines,
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referencing sections that
she never got around to writing.
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For instance, a section
about her experience
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in Northern Ireland.
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MICHELLE: "...I let him
press against me..."
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BILLY: We just, like,
kind of, like, pulling things
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from here and there
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and-- and plugging them in.
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And then I see this
one Microsoft Word document,
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and I read it, and I was like,
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"This is the ending
of the book."
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MICHELLE: One day soon
you'll hear a car pull up,
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you'll hear footsteps
coming up your front walk...
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Take one of your hyper
gulping breaths...
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(READS)
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(DOORBELL RINGS)
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(ENGINE STARTS)
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PAUL HOLES: When she died...
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the emotional blow
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was like the loss
of a family member.
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There's no question about that.
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I-- I was hit, and hit hard.
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Um... (CLEARS THROAT)
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And then there was the case,
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and I just lost
my investigative partner.
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I was able to get down,
uh, to Southern California
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for Michelle's memorial.
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WOMAN: Just like one
of her beloved lighthouses,
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Michelle's light will shine on,
and we will remain drawn to it.
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(APPLAUSE)
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HOLES: And there's a guy
standing in front of me,
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and he's got a badge
on his lapel.
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And I just say,
"Hey, you law enforcement?"
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And he was like, "Yeah,"
and we introduce ourselves.
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And it was Greg Stearns
from LAPD robbery-homicide.
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He ends up getting up on stage
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and gave a very nice speech.
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GREG STEARNS:
Homicide cops are impatient.
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We're egotistical to an extent,
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we're very territorial,
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and we certainly don't like
to be second-guessed
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or have anyone
make suggestions.
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(LAUGHTER)
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And so, Michelle
was able to do what--
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what very few people
could do.
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And I have every belief
that through her work
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that this will be solved.
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Michelle always was
and always will be one of us.
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(APPLAUSE)
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HOLES: I mean, my world
was spinning around me.
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You know, one of
the goofy things that I would do
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is I would say, "Okay, Michelle,
you now know who
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the Golden State Killer is.
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Just kinda channel something
through me.
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You know, point me
in the right direction."
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♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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MICHELLE: Are you familiar
with a company called 23andMe?
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-LARRY POOLE: Yeah.
-MICHELLE:
My husband and I did it.
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You turn in your own DNA,
so you swab yourself.
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And it-- it gives you genetic,
uh, your genetic history
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for everything from diseases.
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But they're starting to do
ancestry and stuff like that.
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And to me, it just seems like,
gosh, is there any way
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that you guys could--
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could put it
into a system like that?
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'Cause I feel like he's gotta be
related to someone.
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HOLES: Michelle most certainly
was somebody
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who was a big proponent of using
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the latest, greatest
DNA technology
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to solve this case.
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She was saying,
"Let's just go ahead
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and create
an undercover account
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to search for his relatives."
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She was even offering to pay
to do some of this work.
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MICHELLE: Now, like,
if a private person had asked
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if they could do that,
has that ever happened?
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-LARRY: No.
-MICHELLE: Okay.
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HOLES: The big hurdle
from a technical standpoint
262
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is that these genealogy websites
required us to mail in
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the Golden State Killer's
saliva or spit,
264
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which we didn't have.
265
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MICHELLE: I think
that within the next six months,
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the technology is gonna get
even better,
267
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and-- and we're gonna be
able to put it together.
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HOLES: Since that time,
a website called GEDmatch
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became a powerful tool.
270
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Instead of sending GEDmatch
the Golden State Killer's spit,
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we could upload a new type
of digital DNA profile.
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But in order
to generate this profile,
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I have to first have
an adequate amount
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of Golden State Killer DNA.
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Unfortunately, the DNA
that I had generated
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from the three
Contra Costa County cases
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I had completely consumed.
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So now it's,
okay, we have to start
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reaching out
to the other jurisdictions
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to figure out
is there enough DNA remaining
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for us to be able to do
282
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this new genealogy type
of DNA test.
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I end up getting a call
from the Ventura DA investigator
284
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saying, "You won't believe this.
285
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We've got a ton
of Golden State Killer DNA.
286
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How much do you want?"
287
00:16:23,146 --> 00:16:25,229
(BIRDS CHIRPING)
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KRIS PEDRETTI:
I did a great job for 42 years
289
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of trying to be as normal
as possible.
290
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I am your perfect overachiever.
291
00:16:42,062 --> 00:16:45,354
You know, I don't just garden.
I garden.
292
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I don't just have a job,
293
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you know, I'm working
12 hours a day.
294
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I think keeping busy, um...
295
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keeps your focus
on the outside... elements
296
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and-- and you don't really
look inward too deep.
297
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I mean, you've got to remember,
298
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the '70s were definitely a time
that you didn't share.
299
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My parents didn't tell
their own family.
300
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So I really slipped
into more of a denial.
301
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(BIRDS CHIRPING)
302
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And then, in 2018,
303
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a newspaper article came out.
304
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And my husband said,
305
00:17:31,021 --> 00:17:33,229
"Kris, there's something
you might want to see."
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♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
307
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I never thought
I would see a picture
308
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of a victim
of the East Area Rapist.
309
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I just felt like it was supposed
to be a secret.
310
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I was so blown away
that I wrote to the editor
311
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and asked if he could please
give her my phone number.
312
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And she called me the next day.
And...
313
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(CHUCKLES) Now, I'm actually
talking to another victim.
314
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And that was-- I just--
I don't know how to explain
315
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what that feeling was like.
316
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And then, uh, she introduced me
to Carol Daly.
317
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Carol came over,
318
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and she brought me a copy
of the police report.
319
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My husband took off work,
and my sister,
320
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and my mind
was just going, like,
321
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"How do we make this right?"
322
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And that's when I just said,
323
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"Do you want me
to read this to you?"
324
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And they said, "If you're okay."
325
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And I said,
"You know what? Let's do it.
326
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Let's-- let's start fresh.
327
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Let's everybody
know everything."
328
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♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
329
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"So, at approximately 7:15,
330
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the victim placed a pizza
in the oven.
331
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She then went into the front
living room to play her piano.
332
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As she started playing
the piano,
333
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she heard a noise next to her
on her left side,
334
00:19:04,062 --> 00:19:05,813
and she started to turn around.
335
00:19:05,896 --> 00:19:09,438
As she did so, she saw subject
standing next to her
336
00:19:09,521 --> 00:19:11,938
and suspect then put a knife
against her throat.
337
00:19:13,688 --> 00:19:16,688
The suspect told the victim,
'Get moving.
338
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If you say anything or flinch,
339
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I'll push the knife
all the way in
340
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and I'll be gone
in the dark of the night.'"
341
00:19:26,271 --> 00:19:29,271
Both of my parents
have passed away.
342
00:19:29,354 --> 00:19:31,813
I don't feel
I would be sitting here today
343
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if they were alive
344
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because I think it would be
very disturbing to them.
345
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And then I said,
"Six-foot tall,
346
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regular build,
347
00:19:44,312 --> 00:19:46,604
possible small penis."
348
00:19:46,688 --> 00:19:50,771
Um...
"Victim's hymen still intact."
349
00:19:52,896 --> 00:19:55,521
Reading the report
to my family,
350
00:19:55,604 --> 00:19:58,396
I think that was
a real moment for me,
351
00:19:58,479 --> 00:20:02,104
um, in kind of owning
my own story and sharing it.
352
00:20:03,479 --> 00:20:07,521
But I could've dealt with that
so much earlier.
353
00:20:08,271 --> 00:20:10,187
I, you know, I wonder...
354
00:20:10,271 --> 00:20:13,271
who would I be now, you know?
355
00:20:13,354 --> 00:20:14,938
You know,
what could've been different?
356
00:20:15,021 --> 00:20:19,646
What would my-- what would
my past have entailed?
357
00:20:30,146 --> 00:20:32,021
(ALICE COOING)
358
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MICHELLE: Alice, hi.
359
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(ALICE COOS)
360
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MICHELLE: Hi.
361
00:20:37,521 --> 00:20:40,730
I'm so emotional right now,
you wouldn't believe.
362
00:20:40,813 --> 00:20:42,312
Alice.
363
00:20:42,396 --> 00:20:44,771
Painkillers equal joy.
364
00:20:44,855 --> 00:20:46,146
Can you smile?
365
00:20:46,938 --> 00:20:48,104
Can you smile?
366
00:20:48,187 --> 00:20:51,813
"Postpartum depression,"
my husband explained to friends.
367
00:20:52,730 --> 00:20:55,479
But it wasn't new mom blues.
368
00:20:55,563 --> 00:20:57,855
It was old mom blues.
369
00:21:02,688 --> 00:21:04,521
During my wedding,
my mother and I
370
00:21:04,604 --> 00:21:07,187
had our biggest blowout yet.
371
00:21:07,980 --> 00:21:09,938
We never spoke of it.
372
00:21:10,021 --> 00:21:11,855
But she wrote me a long letter
373
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detailing all the things
about me
374
00:21:13,730 --> 00:21:15,521
that made her proud.
375
00:21:16,730 --> 00:21:20,730
We slowly rebuilt
our relationship after that.
376
00:21:23,604 --> 00:21:27,479
(READS)
377
00:21:27,563 --> 00:21:29,396
(PHONE RINGS)
378
00:21:30,062 --> 00:21:33,104
(READS)
379
00:21:33,187 --> 00:21:34,229
"What?"
380
00:21:35,187 --> 00:21:37,354
"Oh, Michelle...
381
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Mom died."
382
00:21:46,604 --> 00:21:49,438
I wish now
I'd been kinder to her.
383
00:21:50,646 --> 00:21:53,980
She could be undermining
and cutting in her remarks,
384
00:21:54,062 --> 00:21:56,730
but the older me sees that
as a mark
385
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of a deeply sensitive person.
386
00:22:00,146 --> 00:22:04,021
She endured alcoholic parents
and the death of an infant son.
387
00:22:04,104 --> 00:22:07,563
She was raising six kids
with no help.
388
00:22:09,938 --> 00:22:12,521
Holding my newborn daughter,
I got it.
389
00:22:12,604 --> 00:22:15,187
I got the love that guts you.
390
00:22:15,271 --> 00:22:16,938
(ALICE COOS)
391
00:22:17,021 --> 00:22:18,563
MICHELLE: Can you do the dance?
392
00:22:18,646 --> 00:22:21,604
The sense of responsibility
that narrows the world
393
00:22:21,688 --> 00:22:23,646
to a pair of needy eyes.
394
00:22:23,730 --> 00:22:24,938
Hi, Tickles!
395
00:22:26,271 --> 00:22:28,855
Ooh!
396
00:22:28,938 --> 00:22:30,521
Writing this now,
397
00:22:30,604 --> 00:22:34,271
I'm struck by two incompatible
truths that pain me.
398
00:22:35,771 --> 00:22:38,479
(READS)
399
00:22:40,813 --> 00:22:43,938
But I probably wouldn't have
felt the freedom to write it
400
00:22:44,021 --> 00:22:45,855
until she was gone.
401
00:23:00,021 --> 00:23:02,312
♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
402
00:23:02,396 --> 00:23:04,604
PATTON:
Second worst day of my life
403
00:23:04,688 --> 00:23:07,813
was the day
that my wife passed away.
404
00:23:10,396 --> 00:23:16,396
The worst day of my life
was the day after,
405
00:23:16,479 --> 00:23:18,646
when I had to tell our daughter.
406
00:23:21,730 --> 00:23:25,271
My wife passed away
while she was at school.
407
00:23:25,354 --> 00:23:28,062
So, I talked to the school,
and I told them what happened.
408
00:23:28,146 --> 00:23:29,813
And the principal talked to me.
409
00:23:29,896 --> 00:23:30,938
She was amazing and said,
410
00:23:31,021 --> 00:23:33,187
"She can't come home
from school,
411
00:23:33,271 --> 00:23:36,521
and then you tell her,
and then she has to go to bed."
412
00:23:39,688 --> 00:23:42,062
She said,
"Tell her in the sunshine."
413
00:23:46,771 --> 00:23:48,229
So...
414
00:23:48,312 --> 00:23:52,604
I had to look
at this little girl
415
00:23:52,688 --> 00:23:56,855
that was everything to me,
and take everything from her.
416
00:24:03,604 --> 00:24:06,563
I-- I-- I mean, I-- I shut down
for a long time.
417
00:24:06,646 --> 00:24:09,062
I wasn't even--
At first it was about,
418
00:24:09,146 --> 00:24:11,229
"Okay, I gotta get through
the day-to-day,"
419
00:24:11,312 --> 00:24:12,688
get Alice up, you know,
420
00:24:12,771 --> 00:24:14,855
get her to sleep at night
while she's crying,
421
00:24:14,938 --> 00:24:17,563
deal with her nightmares,
deal with my nightmares.
422
00:24:20,312 --> 00:24:22,271
I'm just gonna walk forward
into the dark,
423
00:24:22,354 --> 00:24:23,896
just windmilling my arms around,
424
00:24:23,980 --> 00:24:26,062
just flailing my arms
around everywhere.
425
00:24:33,229 --> 00:24:34,521
Now I'm, you know,
426
00:24:34,604 --> 00:24:37,062
it's six months
and twelve days on.
427
00:24:37,146 --> 00:24:41,312
And, man, uh, grief is...
428
00:24:41,396 --> 00:24:44,271
It-- It--
If you don't talk about it,
429
00:24:44,354 --> 00:24:46,771
then grief really gets to
430
00:24:46,855 --> 00:24:50,563
set up and fortify its positions
inside of you
431
00:24:50,646 --> 00:24:52,479
and begin to immobilize you.
432
00:24:53,896 --> 00:24:55,021
But the more you talk,
433
00:24:55,104 --> 00:24:57,521
the more you expose it
to the air and to the light,
434
00:24:57,604 --> 00:24:58,688
then, you know,
435
00:24:58,771 --> 00:25:01,062
grief doesn't get a chance
to organize itself.
436
00:25:01,146 --> 00:25:04,438
And then you can maybe move on
a little easier.
437
00:25:06,021 --> 00:25:09,855
It's a way to make the darkness
feel uncomfortable with itself
438
00:25:09,938 --> 00:25:11,438
for a little bit.
439
00:25:11,521 --> 00:25:14,104
(APPLAUSE)
440
00:25:19,354 --> 00:25:21,813
Just over a year ago, um,
441
00:25:21,896 --> 00:25:23,730
I became a widower.
442
00:25:23,813 --> 00:25:28,604
And, uh, I have--
I'm moving along as best I can.
443
00:25:28,688 --> 00:25:31,021
It is, you know,
I'm-- I can get up
444
00:25:31,104 --> 00:25:33,730
and I can do my job.
I can be a dad.
445
00:25:33,813 --> 00:25:35,354
But, uh, it's not--
446
00:25:35,438 --> 00:25:38,771
You know, it-- it's still--
The wound is there.
447
00:25:38,855 --> 00:25:41,521
It is healing.
It's not shut yet.
448
00:25:41,604 --> 00:25:43,396
And, uh... ooh, by the way,
449
00:25:43,479 --> 00:25:46,563
if one more person
wishes me "strength"
450
00:25:46,646 --> 00:25:49,312
-on my "healing journey"...
-(LAUGHTER)
451
00:25:49,396 --> 00:25:51,938
...I'm gonna throw
a balloon full of piss
452
00:25:52,021 --> 00:25:55,730
into every candle store
on the planet because...
453
00:25:55,813 --> 00:25:57,604
-(APPLAUSE)
-It...
454
00:25:58,354 --> 00:26:00,896
It is not a healing journey.
455
00:26:00,980 --> 00:26:04,104
-ARI SHAPIRO: She died in April.
-PATTON: April 21st.
456
00:26:04,187 --> 00:26:06,730
ARI: And so,
we are almost at the point
457
00:26:06,813 --> 00:26:09,021
where it will no longer be
the first...
458
00:26:09,104 --> 00:26:10,688
-Christmas without her...
-PATTON: I know. I know.
459
00:26:10,771 --> 00:26:12,521
ARI: ...the first
Mother's Day without her,
460
00:26:12,604 --> 00:26:14,271
the first birthday without her.
461
00:26:14,354 --> 00:26:15,604
PATTON: Oh, God, that's--
462
00:26:15,688 --> 00:26:18,396
Yes, that's exactly
the conundrum.
463
00:26:18,479 --> 00:26:20,229
That's the conundrum.
464
00:26:20,312 --> 00:26:24,604
Overall, 2017 is awful
because at least in 2016,
465
00:26:24,688 --> 00:26:29,396
I had three months and 21 days
of Michelle being in there.
466
00:26:29,479 --> 00:26:32,187
And now, this is a year
where there's no Michelle.
467
00:26:32,271 --> 00:26:33,688
Like, that's it.
468
00:26:33,771 --> 00:26:35,938
So, when January 1st dawned,
469
00:26:36,021 --> 00:26:38,271
it felt like a cell door
slamming behind me.
470
00:26:38,354 --> 00:26:40,312
Like, you are now
in this awful world
471
00:26:40,396 --> 00:26:42,396
where there-- you don't
even have a memory of her
472
00:26:42,479 --> 00:26:44,146
being a part of this year.
473
00:26:45,604 --> 00:26:48,146
You know, I-- You can say
you're through with grief
474
00:26:48,229 --> 00:26:49,563
all you want.
475
00:26:49,646 --> 00:26:52,187
But grief will let you know
when it's done.
476
00:27:02,980 --> 00:27:06,187
HAYNES: We didn't know
for months what killed Michelle.
477
00:27:07,563 --> 00:27:09,771
And it was really
eating away at me
478
00:27:09,855 --> 00:27:13,646
because I-- I had just seen her
mere days before her death.
479
00:27:13,730 --> 00:27:17,563
And I was replaying
the conversation in my mind
480
00:27:17,646 --> 00:27:19,312
for anything
that may have indicated
481
00:27:19,396 --> 00:27:21,771
that this was imminent.
482
00:27:21,855 --> 00:27:24,896
There was nothing,
there was nothing there.
483
00:27:24,980 --> 00:27:27,229
FEMALE REPORTER: New details now
in the investigation
484
00:27:27,312 --> 00:27:29,521
into the death
of music icon Prince.
485
00:27:29,604 --> 00:27:31,062
MALE REPORTER:
Investigators confirm today
486
00:27:31,146 --> 00:27:34,771
that Prince died of an overdose
of the painkiller fentanyl.
487
00:27:34,855 --> 00:27:37,021
REPORTER: The Drug Enforcement
Administration reports
488
00:27:37,104 --> 00:27:40,980
an alarming spike in
fentanyl-related overdose death.
489
00:27:41,062 --> 00:27:43,271
HAYNES: And then, Star tabloid
490
00:27:43,354 --> 00:27:46,396
got ahold of the actual
medical examiner's report.
491
00:27:47,896 --> 00:27:51,938
The way it was contextualized
made me sick.
492
00:27:52,021 --> 00:27:54,438
But, you know,
I couldn't not look at it.
493
00:28:07,813 --> 00:28:10,229
MELANIE BARBEAU: I ordered
the full autopsy report
494
00:28:10,312 --> 00:28:13,521
in order to try to understand
what happened.
495
00:28:15,187 --> 00:28:17,646
You know, right on the top
of the autopsy,
496
00:28:17,730 --> 00:28:21,688
it says, "From the, uh,
anatomic findings
497
00:28:21,771 --> 00:28:24,354
and pertinent history,
I ascribe to the death
498
00:28:24,438 --> 00:28:28,730
as... A,
effects of multiple drugs."
499
00:28:28,813 --> 00:28:32,229
And then under D
down below, it says,
500
00:28:32,312 --> 00:28:35,730
"Other conditions contributing
but not related
501
00:28:35,813 --> 00:28:38,021
to the immediate cause of death"
502
00:28:38,104 --> 00:28:40,187
is the heart issue,
503
00:28:40,271 --> 00:28:42,312
the cardiovascular disease.
504
00:28:42,396 --> 00:28:45,438
So really that was not
gonna kill her.
505
00:28:45,521 --> 00:28:47,813
That could not have been
a cause of death.
506
00:28:50,688 --> 00:28:52,896
When I was younger,
I had a surgery
507
00:28:52,980 --> 00:28:57,396
and got addicted
to opiate prescription pills.
508
00:28:57,479 --> 00:29:00,146
I had to seek recovery
from that.
509
00:29:01,688 --> 00:29:05,104
So I wish I could've
recognized that happening
510
00:29:05,187 --> 00:29:07,730
because I feel like,
uh, you know,
511
00:29:07,813 --> 00:29:10,938
my own experience
would, uh, make me a good person
512
00:29:11,021 --> 00:29:14,146
to have communicated with her
and maybe tried to help her.
513
00:29:18,021 --> 00:29:20,104
She had Adderall,
514
00:29:20,187 --> 00:29:21,813
opiates, fentanyl,
515
00:29:21,896 --> 00:29:23,354
uh, Xanax.
516
00:29:28,521 --> 00:29:30,146
No doctor prescribed
517
00:29:30,229 --> 00:29:32,521
that amount of pills to her
like this.
518
00:29:34,104 --> 00:29:36,229
Oftentimes, you have
to turn to drugs
519
00:29:36,312 --> 00:29:38,855
that are being sold
under the table,
520
00:29:38,938 --> 00:29:42,688
and you don't know exactly
what's in the drug.
521
00:29:42,771 --> 00:29:45,855
And that's where we're seeing
a lot of the counterfeit drugs
522
00:29:45,938 --> 00:29:48,021
that are cut with fentanyl.
523
00:29:49,271 --> 00:29:51,896
Fentanyl's 100 times
stronger than morphine.
524
00:29:52,896 --> 00:29:55,229
A little tiny bit of fentanyl
525
00:29:55,312 --> 00:29:58,062
would kill the average person
if they just took it.
526
00:29:59,521 --> 00:30:01,479
That's one of the reasons
we're seeing a spike
527
00:30:01,563 --> 00:30:03,688
in prescription drug overdoses.
528
00:30:05,229 --> 00:30:08,229
Many of these individuals
live in a, uh,
529
00:30:08,312 --> 00:30:10,187
a silo of their own
530
00:30:10,271 --> 00:30:12,771
and, um, are able to hide it
531
00:30:12,855 --> 00:30:16,187
until it comes to problems
like this.
532
00:30:16,271 --> 00:30:19,312
(BIRDS CHIRPING)
533
00:30:32,271 --> 00:30:34,354
PATTON: I couldn't process it.
534
00:30:34,438 --> 00:30:35,771
If she had gotten more sleep,
535
00:30:35,855 --> 00:30:37,438
would she have been
more cognizant
536
00:30:37,521 --> 00:30:40,479
of what she was doing?
I don't know.
537
00:30:40,563 --> 00:30:43,271
Because, I mean, when she would
share with me, it was like,
538
00:30:43,354 --> 00:30:45,521
"I'm just taking some Adderall
to focus in the morning,
539
00:30:45,604 --> 00:30:47,855
I'm taking
some Vicodin at night to--"
540
00:30:47,938 --> 00:30:49,646
Like, she said it in such a...
541
00:30:49,730 --> 00:30:51,646
"Eh, don't worry about it,"
you know?
542
00:30:51,730 --> 00:30:53,813
And-- and the way
that she said it so casually
543
00:30:53,896 --> 00:30:55,813
and so, like, on top of it,
like, "I'm just doing that,"
544
00:30:55,896 --> 00:30:57,521
I'm, like, "Oh, okay."
Well, you know.
545
00:30:57,604 --> 00:30:59,021
Fuck do I know?
546
00:30:59,938 --> 00:31:01,646
I didn't realize that...
547
00:31:03,062 --> 00:31:05,396
it piles up the way
that it does,
548
00:31:05,479 --> 00:31:07,187
and it-- I-- I-- I just--
549
00:31:07,271 --> 00:31:09,187
I didn't-- that's something
550
00:31:09,271 --> 00:31:12,062
that I get
to carry with me forever,
551
00:31:12,146 --> 00:31:13,646
is just not knowing.
552
00:31:19,688 --> 00:31:20,938
I don't know.
553
00:31:21,021 --> 00:31:25,021
-♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
-(SIGHS)
554
00:31:30,312 --> 00:31:34,479
Uh-- Uh, it's--
it's still inexplicable to me
555
00:31:34,563 --> 00:31:36,646
and I don't really
understand it.
556
00:31:36,730 --> 00:31:39,187
But our family is aware
557
00:31:39,271 --> 00:31:42,688
that there are addiction issues
558
00:31:42,771 --> 00:31:46,521
on both sides
of my parents' family.
559
00:31:48,855 --> 00:31:51,896
My dad,
he was very high functioning,
560
00:31:51,980 --> 00:31:55,021
but he decided to go ahead
and go into rehab,
561
00:31:55,104 --> 00:31:56,855
and he never drank again.
562
00:31:58,896 --> 00:32:01,396
And I don't know
if that was Michelle's issue.
563
00:32:01,479 --> 00:32:03,021
I really have no idea.
564
00:32:04,563 --> 00:32:07,229
MARY RITA: It was definitely
an internal struggle.
565
00:32:07,312 --> 00:32:09,896
I mean, she knew if she was
in a dark place or not,
566
00:32:09,980 --> 00:32:12,730
and she did what she had to do
on her own.
567
00:32:12,813 --> 00:32:15,479
It wasn't like
she drew everyone in
568
00:32:15,563 --> 00:32:18,062
and we saw a lot of it,
569
00:32:18,146 --> 00:32:19,354
because we didn't.
570
00:32:21,521 --> 00:32:23,813
BOB MCNAMARA:
I don't remember her
571
00:32:23,896 --> 00:32:26,646
expressing... concern,
572
00:32:26,730 --> 00:32:28,104
but I would, you know,
573
00:32:28,187 --> 00:32:32,312
I think generally in our family,
there is some depression.
574
00:32:32,396 --> 00:32:36,479
I know my mother had--
was on anti-depressants.
575
00:32:36,563 --> 00:32:41,855
So, I-- I-- I-- in some respect,
it may be a genetic thing.
576
00:32:49,187 --> 00:32:50,896
KERA BOLONIK:
If you're depressed,
577
00:32:50,980 --> 00:32:52,312
it's always there.
578
00:32:52,396 --> 00:32:55,229
It just comes in and out
of remission.
579
00:32:56,896 --> 00:32:59,563
We talked about it
as early as high school.
580
00:33:03,229 --> 00:33:07,354
I first met Michelle
when we were on the Trapeze,
581
00:33:07,438 --> 00:33:09,521
our high school paper
at Oak Park.
582
00:33:09,604 --> 00:33:12,104
Oh, the biggest feat
known to man,
583
00:33:12,187 --> 00:33:14,938
pick Michelle McNamara up.
(GROANS)
584
00:33:15,021 --> 00:33:17,563
KERA: When I first met her,
I just thought she was,
585
00:33:17,646 --> 00:33:20,688
you know, one of these, like,
popular girls.
586
00:33:20,771 --> 00:33:23,396
(CROWD CHEERING)
587
00:33:25,563 --> 00:33:28,646
And she right away surprised me.
588
00:33:31,229 --> 00:33:35,438
The wheels of her mind
were constantly rolling.
589
00:33:37,021 --> 00:33:39,688
I often thought
she was a better friend to me
590
00:33:39,771 --> 00:33:40,980
than I was to her.
591
00:33:41,062 --> 00:33:44,187
Like, I-- I wished, uh,
592
00:33:44,271 --> 00:33:46,354
I had listened more.
593
00:33:46,438 --> 00:33:49,688
♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
594
00:33:49,771 --> 00:33:51,688
The last time I saw her,
595
00:33:51,771 --> 00:33:54,271
she brought over
a bottle of Scotch
596
00:33:54,354 --> 00:33:57,479
and we just, like,
talked for hours.
597
00:33:57,563 --> 00:33:59,438
♪ (JAZZ MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
598
00:34:01,312 --> 00:34:03,021
(TIRES SCREECHING)
599
00:34:05,813 --> 00:34:06,896
I was like, "Man,
600
00:34:06,980 --> 00:34:09,062
she is really
in the thick of things."
601
00:34:09,146 --> 00:34:12,771
And I didn't know
that there were whole, like,
602
00:34:12,855 --> 00:34:15,646
groups of days where she wasn't
even leaving the house.
603
00:34:18,146 --> 00:34:20,980
When you're writing a book,
all you think about
604
00:34:21,062 --> 00:34:23,312
is whatever
you're writing about.
605
00:34:24,938 --> 00:34:30,354
But then she-- how to, like,
shut off all that darkness.
606
00:34:32,771 --> 00:34:37,771
I honestly don't know how she
lived the horror of that
607
00:34:37,855 --> 00:34:39,813
day after day after day.
608
00:34:39,896 --> 00:34:42,688
♪ (MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪
609
00:34:44,730 --> 00:34:46,855
MICHELLE:
"How often do you think of him?"
610
00:34:47,771 --> 00:34:48,980
What can I say?
611
00:34:49,062 --> 00:34:51,896
-The truth is, all the time.
-(CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS)
612
00:34:53,187 --> 00:34:55,938
When I climb the stairs
to my bedroom.
613
00:34:56,021 --> 00:34:58,062
When I'm folding laundry.
614
00:34:58,146 --> 00:35:01,187
-(CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS)
-The truth? Too much.
615
00:35:05,521 --> 00:35:07,563
♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
616
00:35:15,354 --> 00:35:17,771
So this morning, the FBI,
has launched a campaign
617
00:35:17,855 --> 00:35:19,021
to help the working group
618
00:35:19,104 --> 00:35:21,521
generate new tips
from the public.
619
00:35:21,604 --> 00:35:25,479
The FBI is offering a reward
of up to 50,000 dollars
620
00:35:25,563 --> 00:35:28,146
for information
leading to the identification,
621
00:35:28,229 --> 00:35:31,896
arrest, and conviction
of the Golden State Killer.
622
00:35:34,563 --> 00:35:36,604
HOLES:
You could directly attribute
623
00:35:36,688 --> 00:35:39,312
going public
with it at that point
624
00:35:39,396 --> 00:35:43,187
with the public attention
that Michelle was able to bring
625
00:35:43,271 --> 00:35:44,604
to the case.
626
00:35:46,021 --> 00:35:49,187
Because now, there was enough
people across the nation
627
00:35:49,271 --> 00:35:52,062
who would be paying attention.
"Golden State Killer?
628
00:35:52,146 --> 00:35:54,479
I know about that case."
629
00:35:54,563 --> 00:35:58,354
So there was sort of momentum
within Agency's recognizing,
630
00:35:58,438 --> 00:36:01,604
"We need to get this done,"
you know, sooner than later.
631
00:36:04,146 --> 00:36:08,146
And then, in that first quarter
of 2018,
632
00:36:08,229 --> 00:36:10,688
I received
the Golden State Killer's
633
00:36:10,771 --> 00:36:12,771
digital DNA profile.
634
00:36:13,730 --> 00:36:15,563
Things snowballed from there.
635
00:36:16,646 --> 00:36:18,855
I reached out
to this genetic genealogist,
636
00:36:18,938 --> 00:36:20,730
Barbara Rae-Venter.
637
00:36:20,813 --> 00:36:23,646
BARBARA RAE-VENTER:
When I worked on
a forty-year-old cold case,
638
00:36:23,730 --> 00:36:26,646
it was written up
in Forensic Magazine.
639
00:36:26,730 --> 00:36:29,521
And Paul Holes saw that article.
640
00:36:29,604 --> 00:36:31,021
And so he called me,
641
00:36:31,104 --> 00:36:33,354
and he just asked
if I would be willing to work
642
00:36:33,438 --> 00:36:35,563
on one of his cold cases
with him.
643
00:36:35,646 --> 00:36:37,146
And, uh, so I said,
644
00:36:37,229 --> 00:36:40,479
yes, I would be,
you know, pleased to do that.
645
00:36:40,563 --> 00:36:43,229
HOLES: A DNA profile is nothing
but a series of numbers.
646
00:36:43,312 --> 00:36:44,896
And so it's something
that can be put
647
00:36:44,980 --> 00:36:47,062
into a relational database
and searched
648
00:36:47,146 --> 00:36:49,062
to see if you can
find individuals
649
00:36:49,146 --> 00:36:52,187
that share DNA with each other.
650
00:36:54,312 --> 00:36:57,062
What you're looking for,
then, is three people,
651
00:36:57,146 --> 00:36:59,396
your unknown person
and the other two people,
652
00:36:59,479 --> 00:37:02,813
who are matching
on that same segment of DNA.
653
00:37:02,896 --> 00:37:04,062
And if they do,
654
00:37:04,146 --> 00:37:07,688
then you know they all have
the same ancestry.
655
00:37:09,479 --> 00:37:12,396
We've got over
a thousand matches.
656
00:37:12,479 --> 00:37:14,521
But the biggest match
was, at best,
657
00:37:14,604 --> 00:37:15,730
a third-cousin match.
658
00:37:15,813 --> 00:37:18,146
It's probably more like
a fourth-cousin match.
659
00:37:18,229 --> 00:37:21,813
So you're talking about distant,
distant cousins.
660
00:37:21,896 --> 00:37:25,855
So we were no--
nowhere in a good zone here.
661
00:37:27,479 --> 00:37:28,730
HOLES: Our top hits,
662
00:37:28,813 --> 00:37:31,104
well, if they're a third cousin
of the Golden State Killer,
663
00:37:31,187 --> 00:37:32,980
that means
their common ancestor
664
00:37:33,062 --> 00:37:35,896
is on the order
of a great-great grandparent,
665
00:37:35,980 --> 00:37:38,354
people who were born
in the 1840s.
666
00:37:39,688 --> 00:37:43,438
So I have to build
their family trees back in time,
667
00:37:43,521 --> 00:37:45,938
identify each of their parents,
their grandparents,
668
00:37:46,021 --> 00:37:48,229
their great-grandparents,
their great-great grandparents,
669
00:37:48,312 --> 00:37:50,354
and see if they intersect.
670
00:37:51,312 --> 00:37:54,896
And if they do, theoretically,
671
00:37:54,980 --> 00:37:58,813
my Golden State Killer
is a descendant
672
00:37:58,896 --> 00:38:00,563
of that common ancestor.
673
00:38:00,646 --> 00:38:03,771
♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
674
00:38:03,855 --> 00:38:04,980
BARBARA:
You then start doing
675
00:38:05,062 --> 00:38:06,938
what's called
"reverse tree-building"
676
00:38:07,021 --> 00:38:09,104
because you're now coming
forward in time
677
00:38:09,187 --> 00:38:12,021
trying to find
all of the descendants
678
00:38:12,104 --> 00:38:14,730
of whoever
the common ancestor is.
679
00:38:16,354 --> 00:38:19,187
HOLES: It took months
of building family trees,
680
00:38:19,271 --> 00:38:24,980
but we eventually identified
all descendants that would fit
681
00:38:25,062 --> 00:38:28,730
within the criteria
of the case.
682
00:38:28,813 --> 00:38:31,646
Which individuals had
the physical characteristics,
683
00:38:31,730 --> 00:38:35,146
you know, 5'8" to 5'10",
160, 180 pounds,
684
00:38:35,229 --> 00:38:36,813
back in the 1970s?
685
00:38:36,896 --> 00:38:39,187
Which individuals have
the geographic connections
686
00:38:39,271 --> 00:38:41,563
that we know that
the Golden State Killer had?
687
00:38:42,730 --> 00:38:45,646
BARBARA: And so we managed
to come up with nine men
688
00:38:45,730 --> 00:38:47,604
who were in California,
689
00:38:47,688 --> 00:38:49,938
who were approximately
the right age.
690
00:38:51,563 --> 00:38:53,604
HOLES: And then,
there was one individual
691
00:38:53,688 --> 00:38:56,021
who-- who's living in Colorado
of all places,
692
00:38:56,104 --> 00:38:57,646
who I got very excited about.
693
00:38:57,730 --> 00:39:00,021
He was somebody that was
in the construction industry.
694
00:39:00,104 --> 00:39:02,479
He had two uncles
living in Cordova Meadows
695
00:39:02,563 --> 00:39:04,604
at the time those attacks
were occurring there.
696
00:39:04,688 --> 00:39:06,688
And when one of those uncles
moves down to Stockton,
697
00:39:06,771 --> 00:39:08,521
now you have
the East Area Rapist
698
00:39:08,604 --> 00:39:12,312
attacking in Stockton.
And that uncle bought a house
699
00:39:12,396 --> 00:39:14,604
from where Gay Hardwick worked.
700
00:39:15,604 --> 00:39:17,771
And I'm just thinking,
"Holy smokes,
701
00:39:17,855 --> 00:39:20,104
what is the coincidence
of something like that?"
702
00:39:20,187 --> 00:39:22,062
MICHELLE: You still think
maybe the building
703
00:39:22,146 --> 00:39:23,354
or construction stuff?
704
00:39:23,438 --> 00:39:26,396
HOLES: I think that's a--
a possibility, yeah.
705
00:39:26,479 --> 00:39:28,730
We ended up asking his sister,
706
00:39:28,813 --> 00:39:30,855
"Are you willing
to give a DNA sample?"
707
00:39:30,938 --> 00:39:32,479
And she absolutely was.
708
00:39:36,938 --> 00:39:41,062
Turns out, this guy living
in Colorado is not the guy.
709
00:39:41,146 --> 00:39:43,521
And I was going, "Oh, my God,
I've got all this stuff
710
00:39:43,604 --> 00:39:45,521
that's adding up
that he's the guy."
711
00:39:45,604 --> 00:39:48,229
♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
712
00:39:48,312 --> 00:39:51,980
And that was this
constant roller-coaster ride
713
00:39:52,062 --> 00:39:55,563
of putting the time and effort,
getting in that obsessive state,
714
00:39:55,646 --> 00:39:58,938
just to be crushed because
the DNA didn't come back
715
00:39:59,021 --> 00:40:01,021
the way that you thought
it was going to be.
716
00:40:01,104 --> 00:40:02,604
And I thought,
"Oh, this is the guy."
717
00:40:02,688 --> 00:40:04,771
And then getting back
in the saddle and doing it
718
00:40:04,855 --> 00:40:06,354
over and over again.
719
00:40:08,146 --> 00:40:09,396
It's just crushing
720
00:40:09,479 --> 00:40:11,438
because I just go,
"What have I just done
721
00:40:11,521 --> 00:40:13,813
for the last two years
of my life?"
722
00:40:18,730 --> 00:40:20,938
MICHELLE: There's this analogy
where most people, I guess,
723
00:40:21,021 --> 00:40:23,104
who get lost in the forest die
724
00:40:23,187 --> 00:40:26,730
because they won't
change direction.
725
00:40:26,813 --> 00:40:28,021
I understand that,
726
00:40:28,104 --> 00:40:29,688
because I've now committed
myself
727
00:40:29,771 --> 00:40:31,479
-so much to this guy...
-(FEMALE INTERVIEWER CHUCKLING)
728
00:40:31,563 --> 00:40:33,896
...that, goddammit, it can't be
that I don't find him.
729
00:40:33,980 --> 00:40:35,271
-Like...
-FEMALE INTERVIEWER: Right.
730
00:40:35,354 --> 00:40:37,271
MICHELLE:
He's taken over my life.
731
00:40:37,354 --> 00:40:40,312
♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
732
00:40:44,646 --> 00:40:47,312
MELANIE: I've lived my life
often not taking
733
00:40:47,396 --> 00:40:50,730
excellent care of myself
in many ways.
734
00:40:52,688 --> 00:40:56,646
And I think sometimes
maybe living vicariously
735
00:40:56,730 --> 00:40:59,730
through other situations
or dealing with this case,
736
00:40:59,813 --> 00:41:02,688
that it's helped me avoid
my own traumas.
737
00:41:05,896 --> 00:41:08,730
Michelle knew
about my experiences.
738
00:41:13,563 --> 00:41:14,354
MELANIE:
739
00:41:14,438 --> 00:41:18,604
-MICHELLE: Oh my god.
-MELANIE:
740
00:41:18,688 --> 00:41:21,104
MICHELLE:
741
00:41:21,187 --> 00:41:24,479
I never addressed it.
I did not tell my parents.
742
00:41:24,563 --> 00:41:28,104
I did not, um,
file a police report.
743
00:41:31,521 --> 00:41:34,855
And when I was much older,
I actually called his residence
744
00:41:34,938 --> 00:41:37,855
to hear his voice.
I was going to confront him.
745
00:41:37,938 --> 00:41:40,271
And I changed my mind.
746
00:41:43,438 --> 00:41:46,646
But that anger still resides.
747
00:41:48,604 --> 00:41:53,688
And I think that that gave me
the strength and the ambition
748
00:41:53,771 --> 00:41:55,479
to solve this case.
749
00:41:58,896 --> 00:42:03,688
And Michelle, uh,
had that same common ground.
750
00:42:03,771 --> 00:42:05,771
MICHELLE: I worked
in Northern Ireland for a year
751
00:42:05,855 --> 00:42:10,604
after college, and I-- my boss
basically-- same thing happened.
752
00:42:11,771 --> 00:42:14,730
MELANIE:
She didn't go into great detail.
753
00:42:14,813 --> 00:42:18,146
And I look at Michelle
as maybe somebody who...
754
00:42:18,229 --> 00:42:22,354
it was easier for her to
be looking at this investigation
755
00:42:22,438 --> 00:42:26,229
than dealing
with whatever her issues were
756
00:42:26,312 --> 00:42:28,229
in her personal life,
757
00:42:28,312 --> 00:42:30,646
but that it may have
overtook her.
758
00:42:31,855 --> 00:42:35,146
And when you're
in fight-or-flight
759
00:42:35,229 --> 00:42:37,896
or freeze-or-fold in trauma,
760
00:42:37,980 --> 00:42:41,021
a very easy way
to escape that feeling
761
00:42:41,104 --> 00:42:45,730
is to self-medicate
and not feel.
762
00:42:45,813 --> 00:42:48,688
♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
763
00:42:56,855 --> 00:42:58,813
MICHELLE:
(READS)
764
00:43:02,354 --> 00:43:07,354
It's darkness that covers
everything I see, do, or touch
765
00:43:07,438 --> 00:43:10,479
with moments of light
and happiness.
766
00:43:12,563 --> 00:43:15,855
I try to stay with those moments
as much as possible.
767
00:43:16,813 --> 00:43:18,229
(READS)
768
00:43:19,813 --> 00:43:23,187
I probably do have
a chemical-based depression.
769
00:43:23,271 --> 00:43:27,021
But I can't spend my life
battling this darkness,
770
00:43:27,104 --> 00:43:29,646
this obsession with lies
and dishonesty
771
00:43:29,730 --> 00:43:33,187
and injustice and ugliness
and cruelty.
772
00:43:33,271 --> 00:43:37,563
It's like everything
is pressing against my back,
773
00:43:37,646 --> 00:43:39,271
forcing me down.
774
00:43:40,771 --> 00:43:43,521
(READS)
775
00:43:45,479 --> 00:43:46,646
The surprising thing is
776
00:43:46,730 --> 00:43:49,688
I feel like I've known this
for a long time,
777
00:43:49,771 --> 00:43:51,396
since I was a little kid,
778
00:43:51,479 --> 00:43:53,646
that I had this sense of loss,
779
00:43:53,730 --> 00:43:58,021
this heightened attentiveness
to pain and depression.
780
00:43:59,438 --> 00:44:01,688
(READS)
781
00:44:06,021 --> 00:44:07,563
I'm sorry.
782
00:44:07,646 --> 00:44:09,021
I've always been sorry,
783
00:44:09,104 --> 00:44:11,187
even if I haven't shown it
well enough.
784
00:44:13,563 --> 00:44:15,938
(READS)
785
00:44:17,855 --> 00:44:20,771
♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
786
00:44:23,271 --> 00:44:26,604
KAREN: Her death
was a terrible accident.
787
00:44:28,396 --> 00:44:31,646
I think it points toward
how self-medicated
788
00:44:31,730 --> 00:44:33,855
our whole culture has become,
789
00:44:33,938 --> 00:44:37,021
whether it's with food
or with drugs or with drinking
790
00:44:37,104 --> 00:44:39,813
or with any kind of escapism.
791
00:44:40,604 --> 00:44:43,354
There's a lot to escape.
792
00:44:43,438 --> 00:44:46,062
You know what I mean? This is
clearly a psychopath, right,
793
00:44:46,146 --> 00:44:48,104
somebody that just simply does--
is not connected
794
00:44:48,187 --> 00:44:50,563
and does not care about
other human beings in any way.
795
00:44:50,646 --> 00:44:52,271
HOLES: No, he doesn't.
He's out there for his own...
796
00:44:52,354 --> 00:44:56,688
And I would say
true crime is probably on the,
797
00:44:56,771 --> 00:44:58,730
uh, lighter end of the spectrum.
798
00:44:58,813 --> 00:45:01,730
As a severe blackout alcoholic,
799
00:45:01,813 --> 00:45:04,229
I know that I've done things I--
800
00:45:04,312 --> 00:45:06,730
that I wish I had
True Crime Podcast to listen to,
801
00:45:06,813 --> 00:45:09,021
to avoid my problems
when I was in my 20s.
802
00:45:09,104 --> 00:45:11,730
I think this one's disturbing
'cause it's like a bit,
803
00:45:11,813 --> 00:45:15,062
it's an entire family that's
dead, you know, for some people.
804
00:45:15,146 --> 00:45:16,730
A lot of people kind of recoil
805
00:45:16,813 --> 00:45:19,021
at the whole trend
of true crime.
806
00:45:19,938 --> 00:45:21,980
At first you-- it feels morbid.
807
00:45:22,062 --> 00:45:23,604
You feel like
you're rubbernecking
808
00:45:23,688 --> 00:45:25,438
on someone else's tragedy.
809
00:45:26,938 --> 00:45:29,604
But underneath that,
there is this sense of...
810
00:45:29,688 --> 00:45:32,604
everybody is doing their best,
working overtime,
811
00:45:32,688 --> 00:45:35,104
sitting at their desk
until the middle of the night
812
00:45:35,187 --> 00:45:36,312
trying to find justice
813
00:45:36,396 --> 00:45:39,312
for people who can't do it
for themselves anymore.
814
00:45:42,021 --> 00:45:44,104
JENNIFER BARTH: I think maybe
it was, like, four to six months
815
00:45:44,187 --> 00:45:46,354
that we were all working
on the book.
816
00:45:48,021 --> 00:45:51,354
Sending it back and forth
and agreeing to cuts.
817
00:45:54,521 --> 00:45:57,396
By the time we got
to publication week,
818
00:45:57,479 --> 00:46:00,896
we knew interest in the book
was building.
819
00:46:06,021 --> 00:46:08,896
DANIEL:
It hit on a Tuesday, and...
820
00:46:08,980 --> 00:46:12,604
it debuted at number one
on the New York Times list.
821
00:46:12,688 --> 00:46:15,980
And I have not had
reviews like that
822
00:46:16,062 --> 00:46:18,062
for any book in my career.
823
00:46:28,730 --> 00:46:30,896
I mean, it just went bananas.
824
00:46:32,146 --> 00:46:33,604
KAREN:
It's such an exciting thing
825
00:46:33,688 --> 00:46:35,813
that this book exists right now.
826
00:46:35,896 --> 00:46:38,312
MICHELLE: Really,
I'm very excited about it.
827
00:46:38,396 --> 00:46:39,896
I've always wanted
to write a book,
828
00:46:39,980 --> 00:46:41,980
but it always seemed like
one of those unattainable things
829
00:46:42,062 --> 00:46:44,187
that wouldn't actually happen.
830
00:46:44,271 --> 00:46:47,563
So, I want this book
to have an impact.
831
00:46:49,813 --> 00:46:52,730
♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
832
00:46:57,980 --> 00:47:02,813
KAREN: The level of writing
is so incredibly impressive.
833
00:47:04,396 --> 00:47:08,146
But also, there's something
very alive about this book,
834
00:47:08,229 --> 00:47:10,813
-you know what I mean? Like...
-PATTON: No, no, I get it, yeah.
835
00:47:10,896 --> 00:47:14,396
I would read a couple of pages
and I would lose my shit
836
00:47:14,479 --> 00:47:16,021
because her voice
was right there.
837
00:47:16,104 --> 00:47:17,479
She was right there.
838
00:47:18,604 --> 00:47:21,938
It was a very, very hard,
difficult process.
839
00:47:29,104 --> 00:47:31,312
And there's also--
it was very bittersweet for me
840
00:47:31,396 --> 00:47:33,521
because I knew that
I wouldn't be able to live
841
00:47:33,604 --> 00:47:34,938
and go on with life
842
00:47:35,021 --> 00:47:36,813
if this was left undone.
843
00:47:36,896 --> 00:47:39,688
(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
844
00:47:39,771 --> 00:47:41,604
But not having the book done
845
00:47:41,688 --> 00:47:44,062
meant that part of her
was still around.
846
00:47:44,146 --> 00:47:45,396
(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
847
00:47:45,479 --> 00:47:48,396
You know, so I'm happy
for her and for her memory,
848
00:47:48,479 --> 00:47:51,646
but it's another form
of saying goodbye.
849
00:47:53,312 --> 00:47:56,271
(APPLAUSE)
850
00:48:09,146 --> 00:48:12,104
I'm very aware that when
you engage with true crime,
851
00:48:12,187 --> 00:48:14,896
you are picking around
and becoming a consumer
852
00:48:14,980 --> 00:48:17,855
-of other people's tragedy.
-Yes. Yeah.
853
00:48:17,938 --> 00:48:20,396
And so, I remember
very early on,
854
00:48:20,479 --> 00:48:23,604
finding True Crime Blog
and thinking, like,
855
00:48:23,688 --> 00:48:26,438
"Okay, I've found my person."
856
00:48:26,521 --> 00:48:27,479
Right.
857
00:48:27,563 --> 00:48:30,479
GILLIAN FLYNN:
And the fact that Michelle
858
00:48:30,563 --> 00:48:34,271
was willing to get out there and
do the actual detective work,
859
00:48:34,354 --> 00:48:36,062
I sit in amazement of.
860
00:48:36,146 --> 00:48:38,396
So, I'm curious,
can you tell me,
861
00:48:38,479 --> 00:48:40,771
are you all still
looking for him?
862
00:48:40,855 --> 00:48:42,312
-PATTON: Yeah.
-BILLY: Oh, absolutely, yeah.
863
00:48:42,396 --> 00:48:44,229
HAYNES:
A DNA profile is as concrete
864
00:48:44,312 --> 00:48:46,271
a piece of information
as you can have,
865
00:48:46,354 --> 00:48:47,438
aside from his name.
866
00:48:47,521 --> 00:48:50,187
So, it feels to me
like it's only a matter of time.
867
00:48:51,396 --> 00:48:53,271
PATTON:
Hand up right there, yeah.
868
00:48:53,354 --> 00:48:55,479
MAN: I'm a father
of a nine-year-old girl,
869
00:48:55,563 --> 00:48:57,938
and I'm curious
what your daughter's notion
870
00:48:58,021 --> 00:49:02,229
of your late wife's
body of work is.
871
00:49:02,312 --> 00:49:03,646
Yeah. I mean, you know,
I'm-- I'm--
872
00:49:03,730 --> 00:49:05,354
-My daughter is also nine.
-MAN: Mm-hmm.
873
00:49:05,438 --> 00:49:08,688
-So, my condolences. Um...
-(LAUGHTER)
874
00:49:08,771 --> 00:49:10,187
You know, when she's older,
875
00:49:10,271 --> 00:49:12,187
absolutely I hope she reads
her book.
876
00:49:12,271 --> 00:49:14,021
I also just had--
I found a collection
877
00:49:14,104 --> 00:49:17,813
of different, um, poems,
and short stories,
878
00:49:17,896 --> 00:49:21,312
and, um, essays
that Michelle had written
879
00:49:21,396 --> 00:49:23,312
all through high school
and college,
880
00:49:23,396 --> 00:49:25,271
and I went
to a professional bookbinder,
881
00:49:25,354 --> 00:49:26,563
and I had those all bound up
882
00:49:26,646 --> 00:49:29,229
so that when she gets
to high school and college,
883
00:49:29,312 --> 00:49:32,646
I'm like, "If you want to see
how your mom was at your age,"
884
00:49:32,730 --> 00:49:36,062
I have them so that I can parcel
those out for her.
885
00:49:38,938 --> 00:49:41,021
And I've saved, like,
every photograph
886
00:49:41,104 --> 00:49:43,021
and bit of video of her.
887
00:49:43,104 --> 00:49:44,896
MICHELLE: Yeah, I mean,
I have a theory that there's...
888
00:49:45,021 --> 00:49:48,062
a serial killer operating
in the Northwest
889
00:49:48,146 --> 00:49:49,896
who is killing couples.
890
00:49:49,980 --> 00:49:52,938
CAMERON CLOUTIER: How did you
become interested in this case?
891
00:49:58,479 --> 00:50:00,646
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
892
00:50:01,479 --> 00:50:04,855
(PHONE RINGS)
893
00:50:04,938 --> 00:50:07,604
-PATTON: Oh, what's going on?
-MARY RITA: Alice.
894
00:50:08,771 --> 00:50:11,354
PATTON: But, you know,
five days after Michelle died,
895
00:50:11,438 --> 00:50:15,980
I remember Alice said,
"When your mom dies,
896
00:50:16,062 --> 00:50:18,021
you're the best memory of her.
897
00:50:18,104 --> 00:50:20,229
Everything you do
is a memory of her."
898
00:50:20,312 --> 00:50:21,604
Hang on,
I wanna find somebody, okay?
899
00:50:21,688 --> 00:50:23,312
So I'm also gonna
always remind her
900
00:50:23,396 --> 00:50:24,563
that she's here right now
901
00:50:24,646 --> 00:50:27,479
because of how you are
and how you're acting.
902
00:50:27,563 --> 00:50:31,229
What are you doing?
Oh my god, you're a nut.
903
00:50:31,312 --> 00:50:32,938
We will talk soon.
I'll call you tomorrow
904
00:50:33,021 --> 00:50:34,813
when I'm in New York,
okay, baby?
905
00:50:34,896 --> 00:50:36,771
Bye-bye.
906
00:50:36,855 --> 00:50:38,688
-Bye.
-ALICE: Bye.
907
00:50:47,896 --> 00:50:49,980
HAYNES:
After the book event that night,
908
00:50:50,062 --> 00:50:53,396
I was ready to just go back
to my room and collapse.
909
00:50:53,479 --> 00:50:56,730
(PHONE VIBRATING)
910
00:50:56,813 --> 00:50:59,146
Then I get back up
to my room and I get a text.
911
00:50:59,980 --> 00:51:01,104
(MESSAGE PINGS)
912
00:51:04,479 --> 00:51:05,646
(MESSAGE PINGS)
913
00:51:08,813 --> 00:51:09,896
(MESSAGE PINGS)
914
00:51:13,521 --> 00:51:16,771
HOLES: After we eliminated
the guy in Colorado,
915
00:51:16,855 --> 00:51:19,229
we only had a handful of males
that were--
916
00:51:19,312 --> 00:51:22,187
we ended up having
to kind of look at.
917
00:51:22,271 --> 00:51:25,312
BARBARA: I was also doing
a lot of stuff with newspapers.
918
00:51:25,396 --> 00:51:29,271
And one of--
one of the news articles
919
00:51:29,354 --> 00:51:34,396
that turned up was the arrest
of a police officer
920
00:51:34,479 --> 00:51:38,354
shoplifting dog repellant
and a hammer in Citrus Heights.
921
00:51:39,438 --> 00:51:40,896
I remember looking at it
and thinking,
922
00:51:40,980 --> 00:51:42,604
"This guy looks awfully good."
923
00:51:42,688 --> 00:51:45,855
And so I immediately sent off
an email to Paul Holes,
924
00:51:45,938 --> 00:51:48,021
saying,
"Has this guy been ruled out?"
925
00:51:50,187 --> 00:51:51,438
And he hadn't.
926
00:51:51,521 --> 00:51:53,938
He was in our hotlist
of six people
927
00:51:54,021 --> 00:51:55,563
that was left at the end.
928
00:51:57,271 --> 00:51:58,396
(MESSAGE PINGS)
929
00:52:00,980 --> 00:52:02,062
(MESSAGE PINGS)
930
00:52:03,104 --> 00:52:05,771
HAYNES: I immediately
opened my master list.
931
00:52:05,855 --> 00:52:09,021
I didn't have anybody
that met those characteristics.
932
00:52:10,438 --> 00:52:11,646
(MESSAGE PINGS)
933
00:52:11,730 --> 00:52:13,855
You know,
I've heard this before,
934
00:52:13,938 --> 00:52:16,688
so I kinda took it
with a grain of salt.
935
00:52:16,771 --> 00:52:19,104
But now, I'm, like,
waiting for updates.
936
00:52:21,479 --> 00:52:24,062
HOLES: I wanted to look
at this guy closer.
937
00:52:24,146 --> 00:52:26,730
And so I drove
and parked on the curb
938
00:52:26,813 --> 00:52:29,771
opposite from his house
and sat there.
939
00:52:29,855 --> 00:52:32,896
And I started thinking about,
"What do we know about him?"
940
00:52:35,104 --> 00:52:37,396
And I started thinking about
the ex-fiancée
941
00:52:37,479 --> 00:52:39,104
with first name of Bonnie.
942
00:52:40,396 --> 00:52:43,021
He had also purchased a gun
943
00:52:43,104 --> 00:52:46,396
down in a town
right outside of Visalia.
944
00:52:47,980 --> 00:52:50,938
And then in 1985, '86,
945
00:52:51,021 --> 00:52:54,146
he had a daughter born
down in Los Angeles County.
946
00:52:54,229 --> 00:52:57,021
And so his geographic
connections
947
00:52:57,104 --> 00:52:58,896
were looking pretty good.
948
00:53:00,146 --> 00:53:02,187
BARBARA:
I'd also run the profile
949
00:53:02,271 --> 00:53:05,104
through another site
called Promethease,
950
00:53:05,187 --> 00:53:08,438
and I determined that the person
that we were looking for
951
00:53:08,521 --> 00:53:09,563
had blue eyes.
952
00:53:09,646 --> 00:53:12,521
And it also said he would be
prematurely bald.
953
00:53:12,604 --> 00:53:15,396
So at that point,
law enforcement then pulls
954
00:53:15,479 --> 00:53:17,104
the California
driver's license records
955
00:53:17,187 --> 00:53:19,187
for the six people
on our list.
956
00:53:20,104 --> 00:53:22,104
Only one man has blue eyes,
957
00:53:23,146 --> 00:53:24,646
Joseph DeAngelo.
958
00:53:26,730 --> 00:53:27,813
(MESSAGE PINGS)
959
00:53:28,896 --> 00:53:29,980
(MESSAGE PINGS)
960
00:53:31,312 --> 00:53:34,646
BILLY: I wake up,
and I see a message.
961
00:53:35,521 --> 00:53:37,312
(MESSAGES PING)
962
00:53:38,271 --> 00:53:39,646
He's in custody.
963
00:53:42,021 --> 00:53:45,479
So, I'm like, "Oh, shit.
Okay. He's in custody."
964
00:53:46,813 --> 00:53:48,104
(PHONE VIBRATES)
965
00:53:48,187 --> 00:53:50,563
I remember wandering
through the room like a zombie,
966
00:53:50,646 --> 00:53:53,771
just like, "Is he caught?"
What just happened?"
967
00:53:53,855 --> 00:53:55,021
(MESSAGE PINGS)
968
00:54:00,354 --> 00:54:01,896
HOLES: It's crazy.
969
00:54:01,980 --> 00:54:05,062
After four decades of searching
for this guy,
970
00:54:05,146 --> 00:54:07,646
it came down to testing
a piece of tissue
971
00:54:07,730 --> 00:54:09,521
from his trashcan outside.
972
00:54:12,271 --> 00:54:16,563
It was a 100% match to
the Golden State Killer's DNA.
973
00:54:20,438 --> 00:54:22,771
-BILLY: All right, Patton.
-Hmm?
974
00:54:22,855 --> 00:54:25,271
BILLY: I just texted you.
You heard the news.
975
00:54:25,354 --> 00:54:27,396
-Yes.
-BILLY: What are you thinking?
976
00:54:27,479 --> 00:54:32,146
I'm thinking
way too much stuff right now.
977
00:54:32,438 --> 00:54:33,521
Um...
978
00:54:34,521 --> 00:54:37,563
I just, you know,
I-- I-- I would--
979
00:54:37,646 --> 00:54:39,438
I wish you were pointing
that camera
980
00:54:39,521 --> 00:54:41,563
at Michelle right now,
and not me.
981
00:54:42,896 --> 00:54:45,396
I hope they got him.
I hope she got him.
982
00:54:55,187 --> 00:54:58,521
♪ (MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
983
00:56:59,730 --> 00:57:01,396
MAN: Joseph DeAngelo has been
called a lot of things
984
00:57:01,479 --> 00:57:02,187
by law enforcement.
985
00:57:02,688 --> 00:57:05,855
Today, it's our pleasure
to call him defendant.
986
00:57:06,062 --> 00:57:06,938
♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYS) ♪
987
00:57:07,521 --> 00:57:09,521
WOMAN: I love that people can
get wheeled out of their house
988
00:57:09,604 --> 00:57:12,104
for something they did in 1957
because of the internet,
989
00:57:12,312 --> 00:57:13,479
because of DNA.
990
00:57:15,396 --> 00:57:17,104
That is so amazing to me.
991
00:57:17,688 --> 00:57:20,688
WOMAN 2: What in his life
created that monster?
992
00:57:21,146 --> 00:57:23,938
WOMAN 3: And he's living
the comfy suburban life
993
00:57:24,062 --> 00:57:25,104
that he wrecked?!
994
00:57:26,563 --> 00:57:28,479
WOMAN 4: Now he can't hide
behind his mask.
995
00:57:29,146 --> 00:57:30,938
WOMAN 5:
I hope justice was given.
996
00:57:32,271 --> 00:57:33,396
(AUDIENCE CHEERS)
997
00:57:34,563 --> 00:57:37,479
For the very first time,
I'm becoming myself again.
998
00:57:37,771 --> 00:57:40,896
I am not gonna give him
one more ounce of me.
999
00:57:42,354 --> 00:57:43,438
♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
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