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There's been shootings. 5 00:00:31,781 --> 00:00:33,451 There's been hit-and-runs. 6 00:00:35,493 --> 00:00:38,833 [reporter] Henry Lee Lucas says he has killed 100 women. 7 00:00:38,913 --> 00:00:41,423 [reporter 2] Lucas claims to have killed over 150 women. 8 00:00:41,499 --> 00:00:44,589 [reporter 3] Henry Lee Lucas killed at least 360 people 9 00:00:44,669 --> 00:00:45,919 during an eight-year spree 10 00:00:46,004 --> 00:00:49,474 that only ended when Texas authorities caught him last year. 11 00:00:53,845 --> 00:00:56,505 [reporter 4] One policeman said he makes Charles Manson 12 00:00:56,598 --> 00:00:58,428 sound like Tom Sawyer. 13 00:01:00,894 --> 00:01:03,444 [woman] Henry Lee Lucas murdered my sister, Laura Jean Donez. 14 00:01:03,521 --> 00:01:05,771 [woman 2] Henry Lee Lucas murdered my mother, Joan Gilmore. 15 00:01:05,857 --> 00:01:08,777 [woman 3] Henry Lee Lucas killed my sister, Rita Salazar. 16 00:01:10,570 --> 00:01:12,320 [man] The last person he killed 17 00:01:12,405 --> 00:01:15,365 meant no more to him than the last cigarette that he smoked. 18 00:01:18,787 --> 00:01:20,907 [Hugh] This is a bad guy. 19 00:01:20,997 --> 00:01:24,207 Everyone's perfect serial killer. 20 00:01:26,002 --> 00:01:26,922 And yet, 21 00:01:27,629 --> 00:01:30,259 things just didn't add up. 22 00:01:34,511 --> 00:01:36,601 [man 2] You can't kill 200 people 23 00:01:36,888 --> 00:01:39,428 and never leave a single shred of evidence. 24 00:01:39,516 --> 00:01:41,516 Nothing. Zero. 25 00:01:41,601 --> 00:01:44,731 [Henry] I just grabbed her around her neck and started choking her. 26 00:01:44,813 --> 00:01:48,783 You talk about being conned, he was playing them like a violin. 27 00:01:50,276 --> 00:01:53,396 [Vic] I thought the powers-that-be would welcome the truth. 28 00:01:54,322 --> 00:01:55,242 I was wrong. 29 00:01:57,575 --> 00:01:59,575 [Parker] The really sad thing about this, 30 00:01:59,661 --> 00:02:01,791 the real tragedy is 31 00:02:02,330 --> 00:02:04,000 someone got away with murder. 32 00:02:06,876 --> 00:02:09,166 [man 3] Either they found the world's worst serial killer... 33 00:02:11,214 --> 00:02:14,974 or it was the biggest hoax in American criminal justice history. 34 00:02:17,178 --> 00:02:19,098 [siren wailing] 35 00:03:13,276 --> 00:03:14,396 [Phil] Montague County 36 00:03:14,861 --> 00:03:17,741 was, uh, almost like stepping back in time. 37 00:03:21,117 --> 00:03:22,367 People were laid-back. 38 00:03:22,994 --> 00:03:25,334 Mainly farmers, very little industry. 39 00:03:28,374 --> 00:03:30,254 The sheriff's office and the police departments 40 00:03:30,335 --> 00:03:32,665 were all real small, understaffed. 41 00:03:35,590 --> 00:03:38,380 I became a ranger in 1979. 42 00:03:40,678 --> 00:03:45,558 Texas Rangers usually work a lot of high-profile cases: 43 00:03:45,642 --> 00:03:48,142 murders, rapes, robberies, organized crime. 44 00:03:48,978 --> 00:03:54,528 They put them in the area to be of benefit to the local law enforcement. 45 00:03:56,736 --> 00:03:58,856 I had been a ranger two years, 46 00:03:58,947 --> 00:04:01,527 and I got a call from the Montague County sheriff 47 00:04:01,616 --> 00:04:05,696 saying that they needed some help on a missing woman named Kate Rich. 48 00:04:08,289 --> 00:04:11,629 Kate was 82 years old, lived by herself. 49 00:04:13,127 --> 00:04:15,167 The family member told the sheriff 50 00:04:15,546 --> 00:04:19,256 that there was a suspect in her mind of Henry Lee Lucas 51 00:04:19,342 --> 00:04:23,302 and he was living with Kate for a while. 52 00:04:28,518 --> 00:04:30,598 We did a lot of searching for the body. 53 00:04:32,647 --> 00:04:35,777 We found Kate's purse thrown over a bridge. 54 00:04:36,859 --> 00:04:38,989 So, you know, that pretty well told me that 55 00:04:39,696 --> 00:04:42,026 the body was probably still in the vicinity. 56 00:04:46,202 --> 00:04:49,122 After about a month of working this case, 57 00:04:49,497 --> 00:04:52,287 I realized that we also got a 15-year-old girl missing. 58 00:04:53,418 --> 00:04:54,708 She went by "Becky," 59 00:04:55,336 --> 00:04:57,706 but her name was Frieda Lorraine Powell. 60 00:04:58,548 --> 00:05:00,338 She was Henry's girlfriend. 61 00:05:01,175 --> 00:05:03,295 Becky's missing, Kate's missing. 62 00:05:03,803 --> 00:05:05,643 Henry's the common denominator. 63 00:05:07,140 --> 00:05:08,850 He was a pretty good suspect. 64 00:05:13,771 --> 00:05:17,901 Henry was probably in his mid to late forties. 65 00:05:18,693 --> 00:05:21,613 He was a scruffy-looking skinny guy, you know, 66 00:05:21,696 --> 00:05:22,856 and had a bad eye. 67 00:05:24,782 --> 00:05:26,662 We'd done a lot of background on him. 68 00:05:28,619 --> 00:05:32,369 We learned that Henry went to prison in 1960 for killing his mother. 69 00:05:33,207 --> 00:05:36,667 Did some time in the "P&N," the, uh, psychiatric ward. 70 00:05:40,923 --> 00:05:43,093 For a period of time, my theory was that... 71 00:05:44,177 --> 00:05:45,387 he killed Becky, 72 00:05:46,346 --> 00:05:48,176 and then, Kate... 73 00:05:49,057 --> 00:05:51,137 figured it out, and that's why he killed Kate. 74 00:05:51,225 --> 00:05:53,015 [camera shutters clicking] 75 00:05:55,813 --> 00:05:58,403 He'd come up to the sheriff's office with us, 76 00:05:58,983 --> 00:06:00,033 friendly enough, 77 00:06:00,109 --> 00:06:01,779 act like he was sincere, 78 00:06:02,403 --> 00:06:04,363 but there was nothing we could hold him on. 79 00:06:04,864 --> 00:06:07,244 He was pretty impressed that we had already gathered 80 00:06:07,325 --> 00:06:08,865 a lot of information on him. 81 00:06:09,577 --> 00:06:12,407 He said, "I guess since you found all that out about me, 82 00:06:12,747 --> 00:06:15,247 you... you know about that warrant on me." 83 00:06:16,376 --> 00:06:18,586 I said, "Praise the Lord" in the back of my mind. 84 00:06:18,669 --> 00:06:22,049 I said, "That's out of Florida, isn't it?" I started looking for it in my papers. 85 00:06:22,590 --> 00:06:24,220 He said, "No, Michigan." [chuckles] 86 00:06:24,300 --> 00:06:26,300 I said, "That's right. That's right." [chuckles] 87 00:06:26,386 --> 00:06:29,056 And, uh, I said, "What-- What was that for?" 88 00:06:29,722 --> 00:06:32,142 He said, "Well, it's originally for stealing a car, 89 00:06:32,225 --> 00:06:34,635 but the warrant's for probation violation." 90 00:06:35,019 --> 00:06:36,519 So I got the warrant number, 91 00:06:36,813 --> 00:06:38,613 and then when he come back, we put him in jail. 92 00:06:51,285 --> 00:06:53,035 I had to keep him up in cigarettes. 93 00:06:53,621 --> 00:06:55,751 He drank coffee 24/7. 94 00:06:56,666 --> 00:06:59,246 -He just loved talking. -[Henry speaking indistinctly] 95 00:06:59,335 --> 00:07:01,625 Well, I talked to him day and night, 96 00:07:01,712 --> 00:07:02,632 and, I-I mean, 97 00:07:03,089 --> 00:07:04,969 I just couldn't get him to give me anything. 98 00:07:05,883 --> 00:07:07,263 I could prove he was lying, 99 00:07:08,010 --> 00:07:10,430 but I just couldn't get a confession, and so... 100 00:07:11,264 --> 00:07:12,934 I finally told the sheriff, I said, "Look, 101 00:07:13,015 --> 00:07:15,725 let's just put him in jail and just... not talk to him. 102 00:07:15,810 --> 00:07:17,650 Tell your people not to talk to him. 103 00:07:17,895 --> 00:07:20,815 I ain't gonna come up here and talk to him like he's used to me doing." 104 00:07:21,107 --> 00:07:23,687 And the sheriff said, "Well, I got some ploughing to do anyway." 105 00:07:23,776 --> 00:07:26,646 And, uh, so we stuck him in jail and... 106 00:07:27,405 --> 00:07:28,445 didn't talk to him. 107 00:07:32,952 --> 00:07:34,582 Wednesday night, I get a call. 108 00:07:35,121 --> 00:07:36,871 He's passed a note to the jailer. 109 00:07:43,254 --> 00:07:45,424 He told me what he did to Kate. 110 00:07:47,758 --> 00:07:50,428 He just, uh, stuck the knife in her chest, 111 00:07:50,761 --> 00:07:54,101 and then he got out and went around and dragged her down into the ditch. 112 00:07:54,182 --> 00:07:55,522 Had sex with her. 113 00:07:56,934 --> 00:08:00,274 Well, when he takes me back out there at daylight the next morning, 114 00:08:00,354 --> 00:08:02,734 the stuff he described is-- is still there. 115 00:08:04,901 --> 00:08:07,741 Parts of her glasses that had been run over quite a bit. 116 00:08:08,404 --> 00:08:09,954 We found some of her clothing, 117 00:08:10,740 --> 00:08:11,950 and then we went to... 118 00:08:12,033 --> 00:08:13,243 his old apartment 119 00:08:13,534 --> 00:08:16,414 and, uh, he showed us the stove that he burned her in. 120 00:08:17,163 --> 00:08:18,213 I could see some... 121 00:08:18,289 --> 00:08:21,169 what I thought was bone fragments, 122 00:08:21,501 --> 00:08:24,301 but we collected them as evidence just to prove that, uh, 123 00:08:24,378 --> 00:08:25,798 they were human bones. 124 00:08:29,467 --> 00:08:32,347 He said, "I'll have to show you where Becky is, 125 00:08:33,137 --> 00:08:34,347 but it's not a pretty sight." 126 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:39,020 He said, "If you'll dig right there, 127 00:08:39,101 --> 00:08:41,231 you'll find a pillowcase with part of her." 128 00:08:42,313 --> 00:08:44,773 "The legs are out thataway. 129 00:08:45,525 --> 00:08:46,435 Uh... 130 00:08:46,526 --> 00:08:47,986 Her head's thisaway." 131 00:08:54,242 --> 00:08:57,202 And then I brought him back to Denton PD to be interrogated. 132 00:08:58,871 --> 00:09:00,121 We kept arguing... 133 00:09:01,082 --> 00:09:02,462 cussing each other and... 134 00:09:03,376 --> 00:09:06,296 that was when I-- when I hit her with the knife. 135 00:09:06,754 --> 00:09:09,674 Okay, and-- and after... after that part happened, 136 00:09:09,757 --> 00:09:12,297 uh, do you recall what you did next? 137 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:16,260 Yes. I took her panties and her bra off and, uh... 138 00:09:16,847 --> 00:09:18,677 I had sexual intercourse with her. 139 00:09:20,142 --> 00:09:21,982 It's one of those things that, uh... 140 00:09:22,436 --> 00:09:24,016 I guess it got to be a... 141 00:09:25,690 --> 00:09:26,860 part of my life. 142 00:09:27,942 --> 00:09:30,032 Having sexual intercourse with the dead. 143 00:09:30,111 --> 00:09:31,031 Okay. 144 00:09:31,112 --> 00:09:31,952 Uh... 145 00:09:32,655 --> 00:09:33,485 After... 146 00:09:34,031 --> 00:09:35,911 After she's dead... 147 00:09:37,451 --> 00:09:39,581 and after you had sex with her, 148 00:09:40,288 --> 00:09:41,288 what happened next? 149 00:09:42,039 --> 00:09:44,579 Well, after that, I cut her... uh... 150 00:09:44,667 --> 00:09:46,457 -up in little teeny pieces. -Mm. 151 00:09:47,753 --> 00:09:50,633 You know, he told me, "I killed the only girl I've ever loved." 152 00:09:51,173 --> 00:09:54,013 At least it bothered him a little bit that he killed Becky. 153 00:09:56,012 --> 00:09:57,852 After that, there's a, uh... 154 00:09:58,264 --> 00:10:00,814 an arraignment for Kate's murder. 155 00:10:04,186 --> 00:10:06,976 And there was a couple of local newspapers there, 156 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,150 and the reporter from the Austin Statesman 157 00:10:10,234 --> 00:10:11,114 was following it. 158 00:10:11,861 --> 00:10:16,951 The judge asked him, "Do you understand that you're being charged with murder?" 159 00:10:17,408 --> 00:10:19,908 I'm sitting there in open court, um... 160 00:10:19,994 --> 00:10:21,334 you know, casually listening, 161 00:10:21,954 --> 00:10:24,464 and all of a sudden, Lucas just blurts out, 162 00:10:25,166 --> 00:10:26,376 "Well, Judge, 163 00:10:26,876 --> 00:10:30,296 what are we gonna do about these other 100 women I killed?" 164 00:10:31,172 --> 00:10:32,012 What did he say? 165 00:10:34,967 --> 00:10:38,387 [Phil] From that point, it went to hell in a handbasket quick. 166 00:10:53,319 --> 00:10:54,819 [indistinct chattering] 167 00:10:54,904 --> 00:10:58,124 [reporter] Mr. Lucas, in the hearing, you said you killed over a hundred women. 168 00:10:58,199 --> 00:10:59,029 Is that true? 169 00:11:00,618 --> 00:11:03,198 [newscaster] Investigators in Montague, Texas, 170 00:11:03,287 --> 00:11:05,367 are looking into a former mental patient's claim 171 00:11:05,456 --> 00:11:07,916 that he has killed about 100 women. 172 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,920 [newscaster 2] Lucas claims a cross-country mass murder spree 173 00:11:11,003 --> 00:11:12,093 the last eight years. 174 00:11:12,463 --> 00:11:14,383 That immediately brought a flood of inquiries 175 00:11:14,465 --> 00:11:16,675 from law enforcement authorities in several other states. 176 00:11:17,885 --> 00:11:21,845 [Phil] I started getting calls from law enforcement all over. 177 00:11:22,473 --> 00:11:24,643 Nineteen different states, I believe, was the last count. 178 00:11:24,725 --> 00:11:27,845 There's no way of keeping up with it at this point. It's gotten out of hand. 179 00:11:28,521 --> 00:11:29,611 It was a nightmare. 180 00:11:30,648 --> 00:11:34,278 [reporter] Local authorities revealed that he was a suspect in several killings. 181 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:36,570 They say he could be a mass murderer. 182 00:11:37,238 --> 00:11:39,068 [Phil] Wherever Henry was, the media was there. 183 00:11:40,282 --> 00:11:42,412 It was a circus that would not leave town. 184 00:11:43,911 --> 00:11:46,661 [reporter 2] In this trial, the 47-year-old former drifter 185 00:11:46,747 --> 00:11:48,037 was his own worst witness. 186 00:11:48,791 --> 00:11:52,381 First, he videotaped a confession to the 1982 crime. 187 00:11:53,129 --> 00:11:55,169 -[weeping] -Then he broke down on the witness stand, 188 00:11:55,256 --> 00:11:58,126 admitting regret at having killed Becky Powell. 189 00:11:58,509 --> 00:12:00,469 Lucas said Becky hit him in the face. 190 00:12:00,845 --> 00:12:04,925 And the next thing Lucas remembers is seeing Becky with a knife in her chest. 191 00:12:05,975 --> 00:12:09,845 The jury did not buy Lucas' attorney's argument of voluntary manslaughter. 192 00:12:10,855 --> 00:12:13,815 We, the jury, find the defendant Henry Lee Lucas guilty 193 00:12:13,899 --> 00:12:16,569 of the offense of murder as it lays in the indictment. 194 00:12:17,361 --> 00:12:19,661 [newscaster] In Denton, Texas, the professed mass murderer 195 00:12:19,739 --> 00:12:20,739 Henry Lee Lucas 196 00:12:20,823 --> 00:12:22,873 was sentenced today to life in prison 197 00:12:22,950 --> 00:12:26,120 for murdering and dismembering 15-year-old Becky Powell. 198 00:12:26,203 --> 00:12:30,043 [newscaster 2] Lucas has also confessed to more than 150 other murders, 199 00:12:30,124 --> 00:12:33,844 and he makes Charles Manson sound like Tom Sawyer. 200 00:12:34,211 --> 00:12:37,551 [newscaster 3] Investigators say the Lucas stories are so gruesome 201 00:12:37,631 --> 00:12:40,511 that even the interrogation process is difficult. 202 00:12:41,385 --> 00:12:43,095 Yes, I've had days where I just... 203 00:12:43,471 --> 00:12:45,221 had to make myself go in there. 204 00:12:45,306 --> 00:12:46,516 I didn't feel up to it. 205 00:12:46,849 --> 00:12:49,439 I've had days when I-- when I've cut it short. 206 00:12:50,519 --> 00:12:52,479 [Phil] I was the one that was tasked with... 207 00:12:52,563 --> 00:12:55,983 with getting information from him, uh, about other murders. 208 00:12:58,986 --> 00:13:02,106 I would just give him a, uh, pencil and say, 209 00:13:02,198 --> 00:13:04,238 "If you think of anything, write it down," 210 00:13:04,325 --> 00:13:07,575 because we're covering so many murders that it's ridiculous. 211 00:13:13,250 --> 00:13:15,340 He would sit there and draw pictures, 212 00:13:16,003 --> 00:13:19,973 and in the sides would describe how they were killed, 213 00:13:20,508 --> 00:13:21,588 what they were wearing. 214 00:13:31,393 --> 00:13:33,063 Oh, it-- it turned your stomach, 215 00:13:33,145 --> 00:13:36,015 and it was hard to be decent with him and, um... 216 00:13:37,149 --> 00:13:38,189 So sort of a... 217 00:13:38,484 --> 00:13:39,944 self-protection, I guess. 218 00:13:40,027 --> 00:13:43,357 I... I went through a period of time where I didn't believe anything he said. 219 00:13:51,455 --> 00:13:52,955 I don't know, I, uh... 220 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:56,340 I was ready to do some fence-cutting and goat-stealing cases. 221 00:13:56,418 --> 00:13:57,378 I was sick of murders. 222 00:14:00,339 --> 00:14:03,429 We would send pictures out to, uh, the, uh, agency 223 00:14:03,509 --> 00:14:05,889 that we believed would be responsible 224 00:14:05,970 --> 00:14:07,890 for investigating that murder. 225 00:14:09,473 --> 00:14:12,353 One of the, uh, Texas sheriffs that we, uh, contacted 226 00:14:12,434 --> 00:14:13,604 was Sheriff Boutwell. 227 00:14:15,354 --> 00:14:17,154 I was at home one Saturday morning 228 00:14:17,231 --> 00:14:21,821 back in, uh, June of, uh, 1983, 229 00:14:23,070 --> 00:14:26,070 I had a call from the, uh, sheriff in Montague County. 230 00:14:26,574 --> 00:14:28,994 He called me and said, uh, "Jim, uh... 231 00:14:29,743 --> 00:14:33,163 we got an old boy in jail up here that you might want to talk to." 232 00:14:35,749 --> 00:14:39,959 [Phil] Sheriff Boutwell had been actively investigating a string of murders 233 00:14:40,337 --> 00:14:43,797 up and down I-35 between Dallas and Austin. 234 00:14:45,009 --> 00:14:48,099 We had several bodies out here on Interstate 35. 235 00:14:49,805 --> 00:14:54,385 And, uh, we weren't having any luck on solving or clearing those cases. 236 00:14:56,437 --> 00:14:59,357 [Phil] He felt like it was a single serial killer, 237 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:03,400 and he thought that, uh, Henry very well could have been the one doing that. 238 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:08,870 Sheriff Boutwell got a bench warrant and picked Henry up 239 00:15:08,949 --> 00:15:11,489 right after he was sentenced in Denton County, 240 00:15:11,994 --> 00:15:15,004 carried him straight to his jail there in Georgetown. 241 00:15:19,752 --> 00:15:23,552 And then, from that point on, you never saw Henry without Boutwell. 242 00:15:27,968 --> 00:15:32,348 Jim Boutwell was a legend in Texas law enforcement. 243 00:15:32,431 --> 00:15:35,181 If you run the clock back a few years... 244 00:15:35,267 --> 00:15:36,097 [gunshot] 245 00:15:36,185 --> 00:15:39,355 ...to that sniper on the tower of the University of Texas, 246 00:15:40,064 --> 00:15:43,114 who killed quite a number of people and wounded many more, 247 00:15:44,568 --> 00:15:45,988 Jim got in his plane 248 00:15:46,070 --> 00:15:49,780 and flew up and radioed the location where the shooter was, 249 00:15:50,074 --> 00:15:53,124 and he got several bullet holes in his aircraft, 250 00:15:53,661 --> 00:15:56,121 but he did quite a heroic job. 251 00:15:58,082 --> 00:16:01,382 After Lucas was in the custody of Sheriff Boutwell, 252 00:16:01,877 --> 00:16:06,087 he, uh, went to the director of DPS, Colonel Jim Adams, 253 00:16:06,674 --> 00:16:12,304 to see if they would set up a task force to coordinate these Lucas investigations. 254 00:16:12,805 --> 00:16:14,095 Lucas, uh... 255 00:16:14,807 --> 00:16:16,727 is in a tight security cell. 256 00:16:16,809 --> 00:16:18,019 [Phil] Being a popular sheriff, 257 00:16:18,519 --> 00:16:21,649 he was... he had the political clout to get a task force put together. 258 00:16:22,606 --> 00:16:24,566 So the more we can learn about the mentality, 259 00:16:24,650 --> 00:16:26,440 the modus operandi, 260 00:16:26,527 --> 00:16:27,897 uh, the traveling habits, 261 00:16:27,987 --> 00:16:31,197 the public is going to ultimately be more secure. 262 00:16:32,783 --> 00:16:36,793 [Bob] Colonel Adams wanted a Texas Ranger officer in charge, 263 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:39,920 and I was assigned to that. 264 00:16:41,041 --> 00:16:43,501 [Phil] Sergeant Prince was a Ranger's Ranger. 265 00:16:43,585 --> 00:16:45,585 He'd come from a family of law enforcement. 266 00:16:45,671 --> 00:16:47,421 A straight-up honest guy. 267 00:16:47,506 --> 00:16:49,086 [telephone ringing] 268 00:16:49,842 --> 00:16:54,432 [Bob] The task force was set up in a small office in the county jail. 269 00:16:55,848 --> 00:16:58,058 We were not an investigative task force. 270 00:16:58,475 --> 00:17:00,055 We were a coordinating task force. 271 00:17:01,562 --> 00:17:05,322 Our role was to, uh, allow access to officers 272 00:17:05,774 --> 00:17:09,364 wanting to talk with Lucas from all over the nation. 273 00:17:10,362 --> 00:17:12,492 We had an interview room set up, 274 00:17:12,573 --> 00:17:14,583 we had a videotape set up. 275 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:19,580 [officer] This statement is being tape-recorded on a Panasonic machine. 276 00:17:19,663 --> 00:17:23,083 [Bob] When they were ready for the interview, we'd bring Lucas down, 277 00:17:23,167 --> 00:17:23,997 tape it, 278 00:17:24,251 --> 00:17:26,751 and then when they were through, we'd debrief him. 279 00:17:26,837 --> 00:17:29,507 "Was there any cases that you believe you were responsible for?" 280 00:17:29,590 --> 00:17:31,380 Okay, then what happened? 281 00:17:31,467 --> 00:17:32,837 I hit her with a knife. 282 00:17:33,927 --> 00:17:36,807 Yeah, I had sex with her already before I shot her. 283 00:17:37,556 --> 00:17:40,016 I hit her, but I think I hit her with my fist. 284 00:17:40,100 --> 00:17:42,140 I ain't sure, but I think I did. 285 00:17:44,730 --> 00:17:46,860 [Bob] I'd set it up like a doctor's office. 286 00:17:46,940 --> 00:17:49,780 If they need four hours, I'd give them from eight to twelve. 287 00:17:51,111 --> 00:17:54,111 We may have to schedule it for a month or two months ahead of time. 288 00:17:54,198 --> 00:17:55,698 We had such a backlog. 289 00:17:58,660 --> 00:18:02,580 That's probably in the neighborhood of a thousand officers 290 00:18:02,664 --> 00:18:05,544 that signed in to talk to Lucas. 291 00:18:07,586 --> 00:18:10,546 As a peace officer, that's a satisfying feeling, 292 00:18:10,631 --> 00:18:15,471 knowing that you've taken killers like, uh, Lucas off the street. 293 00:18:16,637 --> 00:18:19,057 Maybe bringing closure to some families. 294 00:18:19,723 --> 00:18:21,773 Jack, I talked to, uh, Henry. 295 00:18:22,267 --> 00:18:24,937 He says that he did own a two-tone... 296 00:18:25,145 --> 00:18:27,185 [Nan] The task force seemed innovative, 297 00:18:27,815 --> 00:18:30,145 because the task force was an attempt 298 00:18:30,734 --> 00:18:32,614 to have all of these law enforcement people 299 00:18:32,694 --> 00:18:34,534 come into a central location, 300 00:18:34,613 --> 00:18:36,993 so that people were sharing information, 301 00:18:37,074 --> 00:18:39,084 and at the time, this was brand new. 302 00:18:39,618 --> 00:18:42,618 [newscaster] Since Lucas was arrested, authorities from all over the country 303 00:18:42,704 --> 00:18:45,044 have been to see him about unsolved murders. 304 00:18:45,124 --> 00:18:46,464 They say it may be years 305 00:18:46,542 --> 00:18:49,382 before a full construction of his crimes is complete. 306 00:18:49,461 --> 00:18:52,261 [newscaster 2] None of the known serial murderers approaches the record 307 00:18:52,339 --> 00:18:53,219 of Henry Lee Lucas. 308 00:18:53,298 --> 00:18:56,138 [newscaster 3] Lucas was a drifter who murdered at random across America. 309 00:18:56,218 --> 00:18:58,928 [newscaster 4] A drifter with no conscience and a compulsion to kill. 310 00:18:59,012 --> 00:19:01,392 He cruised the interstates and the back roads... 311 00:19:03,142 --> 00:19:04,852 looking for that woman in a jam. 312 00:19:04,935 --> 00:19:09,265 Yes, many of his killings, uh, exhibited a lot of violence and overkill. 313 00:19:10,649 --> 00:19:11,979 Very, very violent. 314 00:19:12,067 --> 00:19:13,897 Very cruel in many cases. 315 00:19:20,325 --> 00:19:23,495 I heard that this man up in North Texas 316 00:19:23,912 --> 00:19:26,542 had said he'd killed hundreds of people. 317 00:19:26,623 --> 00:19:28,753 [reporter on TV] Now in jail, just a few miles from... 318 00:19:28,834 --> 00:19:30,674 [Hugh] I had just spent four years 319 00:19:31,503 --> 00:19:33,053 interviewing Ted Bundy. 320 00:19:35,132 --> 00:19:37,842 But Bundy only killed about 30 people. 321 00:19:39,052 --> 00:19:41,102 Here's a guy who says he's killed a hundred. 322 00:19:41,180 --> 00:19:44,770 I really had to go talk to him and find out. 323 00:19:45,392 --> 00:19:49,022 Sheriff Jim Boutwell had read my Bundy book. 324 00:19:49,938 --> 00:19:54,478 And he said, "Well, you come down and talk to Henry anytime you want to." 325 00:19:55,402 --> 00:19:58,112 Well, I started doing it quite often. 326 00:19:58,197 --> 00:19:59,447 [indistinct chattering] 327 00:20:06,747 --> 00:20:11,457 I've never had quite as good access, even with... with Bundy. 328 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,170 I could go any day of the week, 329 00:20:15,672 --> 00:20:17,512 any time of the day, generally. 330 00:20:24,348 --> 00:20:26,268 My first impression was 331 00:20:26,808 --> 00:20:29,058 Lucas was just a dirtball. 332 00:20:30,979 --> 00:20:34,019 I was horrified by the smell. 333 00:20:35,817 --> 00:20:38,607 He was one-eyed and his other eye dripped. 334 00:20:40,864 --> 00:20:43,834 He had three, maybe four teeth. 335 00:20:46,203 --> 00:20:49,923 He was a pitiful looking gentleman, really. 336 00:20:53,335 --> 00:20:54,585 [indistinct chattering] 337 00:20:55,504 --> 00:20:56,674 Y'all want a cigarette? 338 00:20:57,923 --> 00:21:01,803 [Hugh] I was able to bring in a Japanese film crew, 339 00:21:02,469 --> 00:21:05,759 and Sheriff Boutwell thought that was exciting. 340 00:21:06,098 --> 00:21:09,178 They were from Japan, and my goodness, 341 00:21:09,268 --> 00:21:13,228 of course, we'll-- we'll take the day and we'll-- we'll show 'em a good time. 342 00:21:13,981 --> 00:21:18,071 We appreciate the... the opportunity to show the people of your country, uh... 343 00:21:18,151 --> 00:21:20,241 [speaking Japanese] 344 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,570 ...some of the things that go on here. 345 00:21:23,657 --> 00:21:24,737 I, uh... 346 00:21:24,825 --> 00:21:27,115 I'm sorry they have to be such bad things. 347 00:21:27,202 --> 00:21:29,002 [speaking Japanese] 348 00:21:29,079 --> 00:21:31,579 The Japanese were just thrilled to death, 349 00:21:31,915 --> 00:21:33,745 and stunned, I might say. 350 00:21:38,213 --> 00:21:39,303 [man] Sister Clemmie! 351 00:21:44,594 --> 00:21:45,434 -Hi. -Yeah. 352 00:21:45,804 --> 00:21:47,014 Nice to meet you. 353 00:21:47,097 --> 00:21:48,307 [speaks indistinctly] 354 00:21:48,390 --> 00:21:50,930 And Yoichi Aoki. Nice to meet you, sir. 355 00:21:51,059 --> 00:21:54,439 Oh. They brought you a present from Japan. A painting set. 356 00:21:55,314 --> 00:21:56,154 Please. 357 00:21:57,065 --> 00:21:58,975 [speaks Japanese] 358 00:21:59,067 --> 00:22:01,147 -[Clemmie] Open it. -It's a watercolor set. 359 00:22:01,236 --> 00:22:02,316 [speaks Japanese] 360 00:22:02,404 --> 00:22:03,664 I hope you enjoy it. 361 00:22:03,739 --> 00:22:05,159 [Clemmie] Open it, Henry. 362 00:22:07,451 --> 00:22:11,081 [Yoichi] In Japan, you're becoming really famous in Japan too. 363 00:22:11,413 --> 00:22:12,253 Yeah. 364 00:22:12,331 --> 00:22:13,921 Look, nobody had ever 365 00:22:14,166 --> 00:22:17,336 paid that much attention to Henry Lee Lucas. 366 00:22:17,461 --> 00:22:20,881 Uh, we understand you were born in Blacksburg, in Virginia, 367 00:22:20,964 --> 00:22:25,014 and if you can tell us a little bit about your background? 368 00:22:25,761 --> 00:22:27,801 I had a family that, uh... 369 00:22:30,140 --> 00:22:31,480 [exhales] was... 370 00:22:31,558 --> 00:22:33,728 I guess what you'd say a poor family. 371 00:22:34,269 --> 00:22:36,189 They didn't have anything, and, uh... 372 00:22:37,022 --> 00:22:40,402 My mother was, uh, a prostitute, and, uh... 373 00:22:41,610 --> 00:22:43,490 [Jim] Your mother would bring people home 374 00:22:43,570 --> 00:22:45,780 and she would have sex with them in front of you kids? 375 00:22:45,864 --> 00:22:46,914 Right, yeah. 376 00:22:47,407 --> 00:22:49,527 Sometimes I was forced to watch her. 377 00:22:49,951 --> 00:22:51,241 What was your dad doing? 378 00:22:51,787 --> 00:22:53,907 [exhales] Laying up drunk sometimes. 379 00:22:53,997 --> 00:22:56,327 Uh, sometimes he'd just go on out of the house 380 00:22:56,416 --> 00:22:58,086 because he didn't want to be in there. 381 00:22:58,168 --> 00:22:59,418 [birds chirping] 382 00:23:00,337 --> 00:23:04,257 [Hugh] Henry Lucas grew up in rural Virginia 383 00:23:04,341 --> 00:23:07,141 in a dilapidated little house. 384 00:23:10,847 --> 00:23:12,597 He only went till the fourth grade. 385 00:23:12,682 --> 00:23:15,192 He was trouble all the way. 386 00:23:16,311 --> 00:23:18,481 His dad had lost his legs 387 00:23:18,897 --> 00:23:20,767 in a railroad accident, 388 00:23:21,233 --> 00:23:25,073 and so he was on a mat and he sold pencils on the street. 389 00:23:27,447 --> 00:23:28,947 His mother would beat him. 390 00:23:29,324 --> 00:23:33,374 She would ridicule him incessantly. 391 00:23:34,579 --> 00:23:37,459 [Yoichi] Your mother was really hard on you. 392 00:23:37,833 --> 00:23:41,553 Did you ever think that "Someday I'm gonna kill her"? 393 00:23:42,754 --> 00:23:45,014 Yeah, I told somebody I was. 394 00:23:45,090 --> 00:23:45,920 Uh... 395 00:23:46,466 --> 00:23:49,886 So here comes Mom in, uh, drunk, and... 396 00:23:50,679 --> 00:23:52,759 and during the argument with her, 397 00:23:52,848 --> 00:23:55,558 and her striking me over the head with a broom handle, 398 00:23:56,143 --> 00:23:57,773 I swung at her with a knife. 399 00:23:59,146 --> 00:24:00,146 And, uh... 400 00:24:01,481 --> 00:24:02,321 Uh... 401 00:24:02,399 --> 00:24:04,569 I just turned and walked right on out of the room. 402 00:24:05,068 --> 00:24:05,988 And, uh... 403 00:24:07,487 --> 00:24:08,607 It's as though... 404 00:24:09,531 --> 00:24:10,911 she didn't exist. 405 00:24:11,867 --> 00:24:14,697 [Hugh] Well, I believe you told, uh, Sheriff Boutwell that... 406 00:24:14,786 --> 00:24:17,116 when you'd kill, you'd get this cold feeling. 407 00:24:17,873 --> 00:24:20,083 Well, it's like being in an icebox. 408 00:24:21,001 --> 00:24:23,001 You get just as cold, uh... 409 00:24:23,378 --> 00:24:25,048 No feelings, uh... 410 00:24:25,881 --> 00:24:27,801 You don't have no feelings for... 411 00:24:28,425 --> 00:24:30,465 the actual human itself, you just... 412 00:24:30,552 --> 00:24:32,222 It's as though it's not there. 413 00:24:32,762 --> 00:24:34,642 But yet, uh, it's... 414 00:24:34,723 --> 00:24:36,643 You know, something takes its place, 415 00:24:37,517 --> 00:24:38,437 and, uh... 416 00:24:38,518 --> 00:24:40,848 -[Jim] An inanimate object, almost. -[Henry] Yeah. 417 00:24:40,937 --> 00:24:43,107 -[Jim] A thing, not a person. -[Henry] Right. 418 00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:44,980 You know, most normal people 419 00:24:45,066 --> 00:24:47,816 can still have a terrible background 420 00:24:48,236 --> 00:24:50,946 and there's still some kind of a firewall there 421 00:24:51,281 --> 00:24:54,911 that prevents them from moving off into killing people. 422 00:24:55,660 --> 00:24:59,210 You know, that firewall did not exist for Lucas. 423 00:25:01,708 --> 00:25:03,878 [Nan] When you talked to him, he was cooperative. 424 00:25:04,544 --> 00:25:06,844 He was polite. 425 00:25:08,048 --> 00:25:10,928 But during the interview, I was terrified. 426 00:25:11,218 --> 00:25:12,588 Who wouldn't be scared? 427 00:25:12,677 --> 00:25:14,887 I mean, I certainly had read about who this was 428 00:25:14,971 --> 00:25:19,681 and I'd never, ever been in the vicinity of someone like that. 429 00:25:21,561 --> 00:25:23,101 The editor said to me, 430 00:25:23,730 --> 00:25:26,070 "Life magazine is doing a feature 431 00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:29,359 on the phenomenon of serial killing." 432 00:25:30,487 --> 00:25:31,527 Within a week, 433 00:25:31,613 --> 00:25:34,323 I was in Henry's interview room. 434 00:25:34,407 --> 00:25:35,777 His "office," he called it. 435 00:25:36,785 --> 00:25:39,785 [newscaster] According to an article in the current issue of Life magazine, 436 00:25:39,871 --> 00:25:43,631 5,000 Americans were murdered by serial killers 437 00:25:43,708 --> 00:25:45,498 in 1983 alone. 438 00:25:51,424 --> 00:25:53,804 There was this national interest 439 00:25:53,885 --> 00:25:56,425 in the whole idea of serial killing. 440 00:25:56,930 --> 00:25:58,600 [newscaster 2] Motiveless, random killings, 441 00:25:58,682 --> 00:26:00,732 sometimes thousands of miles apart. 442 00:26:00,809 --> 00:26:02,849 They're known as "serial killers," 443 00:26:02,936 --> 00:26:04,806 and according to law enforcement officials, 444 00:26:04,896 --> 00:26:08,646 there are at least 35 of them roaming the country now, stalking victims. 445 00:26:09,776 --> 00:26:12,106 [Nan] People were just beginning to try to understand 446 00:26:12,195 --> 00:26:14,065 how something like that could happen. 447 00:26:16,032 --> 00:26:19,292 The psychologist I worked with had developed what he called 448 00:26:19,619 --> 00:26:21,449 a serial killer profile. 449 00:26:24,833 --> 00:26:26,173 And in that profile, 450 00:26:26,918 --> 00:26:30,418 there were distinctive characteristics. 451 00:26:31,631 --> 00:26:35,801 The person usually hadn't married and didn't have children. 452 00:26:37,345 --> 00:26:40,425 There was usually a controlling parent. 453 00:26:41,016 --> 00:26:45,556 There was a history of the child visiting emergency rooms repeatedly. 454 00:26:46,646 --> 00:26:51,566 And then psychological issues like suicidal tendencies, 455 00:26:51,651 --> 00:26:53,361 cruelty to animals. 456 00:26:54,654 --> 00:26:56,164 I had, uh... 457 00:26:56,823 --> 00:27:01,293 been taught sexual relation by a man that lived at, uh... 458 00:27:01,369 --> 00:27:02,409 with my mother. 459 00:27:02,495 --> 00:27:04,455 What did he tell you about having sex with animals? 460 00:27:04,539 --> 00:27:05,959 Did he teach you to kill 'em? 461 00:27:06,041 --> 00:27:07,711 Yeah, he taught, uh... 462 00:27:07,917 --> 00:27:10,797 you know, to kill animals and have sex with them. Uh... 463 00:27:10,879 --> 00:27:12,669 What kind of animals? Goats? 464 00:27:12,964 --> 00:27:14,884 Anything, it didn't matter. Uh... 465 00:27:15,634 --> 00:27:16,844 Any kind of animal. 466 00:27:18,136 --> 00:27:19,846 [Nan] You could see the way Henry 467 00:27:21,056 --> 00:27:25,056 fit into the profile that we had created. 468 00:27:25,602 --> 00:27:28,362 Henry's mother was violent. 469 00:27:28,438 --> 00:27:30,978 Several times, he went to the emergency room. 470 00:27:31,358 --> 00:27:33,648 Once, when he was six, 471 00:27:33,735 --> 00:27:36,145 she hit him over the head with a two-by-four, 472 00:27:36,613 --> 00:27:41,163 and he says he was unconscious for 30 to 36 hours. 473 00:27:41,242 --> 00:27:45,292 He talked about the fact that whenever he had a pet, 474 00:27:45,372 --> 00:27:46,542 she would kill it. 475 00:27:54,422 --> 00:27:56,012 That's Henry's brain. 476 00:27:57,258 --> 00:27:59,968 Here, there's frontal lobe damage, 477 00:28:00,387 --> 00:28:02,097 these little white spots. 478 00:28:03,098 --> 00:28:05,638 The doctor said it looked like a head trauma 479 00:28:05,934 --> 00:28:08,564 that happened between the ages of five and ten. 480 00:28:09,437 --> 00:28:13,187 They found some temporal lobe damage, some frontal lobe damage. 481 00:28:13,274 --> 00:28:15,944 The combination is supposed to be the worst that it can be. 482 00:28:16,736 --> 00:28:18,566 Temporal lobe means... 483 00:28:18,905 --> 00:28:19,735 uh... 484 00:28:20,198 --> 00:28:21,908 no control over impulse. 485 00:28:22,325 --> 00:28:24,945 Frontal lobe is lack of compassion, empathy. 486 00:28:25,036 --> 00:28:26,246 You put those together, 487 00:28:26,329 --> 00:28:28,539 it looks to me like you have a serial killer. 488 00:28:31,418 --> 00:28:32,708 [indistinct chatter] 489 00:28:33,294 --> 00:28:36,554 [Hugh] Well, I don't understand how this thing progressed, Henry. 490 00:28:36,631 --> 00:28:40,141 You started out killing your mother in '60, then it really escalated. 491 00:28:40,218 --> 00:28:41,048 [Henry] Uh-huh. 492 00:28:41,136 --> 00:28:43,596 [Hugh] Was this... What was in your mind then? 493 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,890 -What-- what made it just get so-- -[Henry exhales] 494 00:28:45,974 --> 00:28:47,774 Did it get easier as you went on? 495 00:28:48,101 --> 00:28:49,561 Oh, yeah. Uh... 496 00:28:49,644 --> 00:28:51,814 It just didn't matter no more. Uh... 497 00:28:51,896 --> 00:28:53,766 There was no, uh... 498 00:28:54,149 --> 00:28:55,359 [inhales deeply] 499 00:28:55,442 --> 00:28:56,692 It just become... 500 00:28:56,776 --> 00:28:58,396 After '79, 501 00:28:58,486 --> 00:29:00,406 it become an impulse. 502 00:29:00,905 --> 00:29:03,315 And then, by me meeting Ottis Toole, 503 00:29:03,408 --> 00:29:05,238 uh, that didn't help so good, you know, 504 00:29:05,326 --> 00:29:08,746 'cause me and him started running around killing together too. 505 00:29:11,666 --> 00:29:15,036 [Bob] Ottis Toole was Henry Lucas' running buddy, 506 00:29:15,795 --> 00:29:16,665 and... 507 00:29:17,088 --> 00:29:20,378 probably had some, uh, murders together. 508 00:29:21,176 --> 00:29:23,716 Uh, Toole was a homosexual, 509 00:29:24,554 --> 00:29:25,604 and, uh... 510 00:29:27,056 --> 00:29:30,686 Lucas apparently was on the receiving end of that time, but, uh... 511 00:29:32,437 --> 00:29:33,517 He was a... 512 00:29:34,022 --> 00:29:37,822 very much of a vicious, vicious person. 513 00:29:38,234 --> 00:29:39,364 Very low IQ. 514 00:29:42,614 --> 00:29:44,874 [Hugh] Toole would dress up like a woman 515 00:29:45,366 --> 00:29:47,786 and go pick up people in bars and... 516 00:29:48,161 --> 00:29:49,831 get money for sex. 517 00:29:50,497 --> 00:29:52,417 This was a huge, big man. 518 00:29:52,499 --> 00:29:54,379 He was about six-three or four, 519 00:29:54,876 --> 00:29:56,496 and he was muscular, 520 00:29:56,961 --> 00:30:00,171 and yet he talked very softly. 521 00:30:01,257 --> 00:30:02,967 They became good friends. 522 00:30:05,678 --> 00:30:08,348 We picked up lots of hitchhikers and all, you know. 523 00:30:09,933 --> 00:30:13,063 Henry mostly killed all the women, you know, himself, you know. 524 00:30:13,144 --> 00:30:15,234 Some of them would be shot in the head and... 525 00:30:15,688 --> 00:30:17,228 in the chest and... 526 00:30:18,233 --> 00:30:20,993 Some of them would be, uh, choked to death and... 527 00:30:21,861 --> 00:30:23,281 some of them would be, uh... 528 00:30:25,657 --> 00:30:27,827 beaten in the head with a tire tool. 529 00:30:30,954 --> 00:30:33,124 [Phil] They made a lot of trips, you know, 530 00:30:33,206 --> 00:30:36,286 from Florida to California and back and around. 531 00:30:38,545 --> 00:30:42,335 I think all they did was just drive, and drive, and drive, and drive, 532 00:30:42,423 --> 00:30:46,183 and camp out at parks and wherever they could. 533 00:30:48,221 --> 00:30:50,521 And he was a walking Rand McNally. 534 00:30:50,598 --> 00:30:51,678 He knew this country. 535 00:30:52,809 --> 00:30:55,899 You know, little tiny roads and freeways and... 536 00:30:56,312 --> 00:30:58,692 And you just don't learn that much about roads 537 00:30:59,232 --> 00:31:01,612 unless you've spent a lot of time on the road. 538 00:31:06,197 --> 00:31:10,697 [newscaster] Roaming murderers like Lucas create enormous problems for the police. 539 00:31:10,785 --> 00:31:14,455 They could do two in Texas and be in Arizona or New Mexico 540 00:31:14,539 --> 00:31:17,169 and do one, uh, again in ten hours, 541 00:31:17,250 --> 00:31:19,380 and then go from there to California and do them, 542 00:31:19,460 --> 00:31:21,420 so, uh, they're very hard to track. 543 00:31:22,797 --> 00:31:25,007 [Bob] A serial killer is probably 544 00:31:25,341 --> 00:31:28,851 the hardest person to detect and identify 545 00:31:29,429 --> 00:31:33,769 uh, because they'd have no connection with the victim. 546 00:31:35,810 --> 00:31:39,730 Probably a whole lot of serial killers have been out there in years past 547 00:31:39,981 --> 00:31:41,401 that weren't ever recognized 548 00:31:41,482 --> 00:31:43,532 because there'd be no connection made 549 00:31:43,610 --> 00:31:46,400 between a murder that happened in Texas 550 00:31:47,155 --> 00:31:49,235 and in the panhandle of Florida. 551 00:31:51,159 --> 00:31:54,249 Lucas got away with it for quite a number of years. 552 00:31:55,455 --> 00:31:57,915 And that's why we set up the task force. 553 00:32:01,210 --> 00:32:02,420 [indistinct chattering] 554 00:32:03,379 --> 00:32:06,129 [Nan] Sheriff Boutwell called a conference together 555 00:32:06,215 --> 00:32:08,965 where he invited people from across the country to come 556 00:32:09,469 --> 00:32:10,799 and try to see if 557 00:32:11,220 --> 00:32:15,180 they could make any discoveries pertinent to the Lucas information. 558 00:32:15,266 --> 00:32:17,306 Maybe we can come up with Lucas and Toole 559 00:32:17,393 --> 00:32:19,733 as being a suspect in your particular area. 560 00:32:19,812 --> 00:32:21,692 [newscaster] Lawmen met to compare notes 561 00:32:21,773 --> 00:32:24,783 and piece together the Lucas-Toole trail of terror. 562 00:32:24,859 --> 00:32:26,779 [newscaster 2] Police now link at least Lucas 563 00:32:26,861 --> 00:32:29,411 to scores of murders in 17 states, 564 00:32:29,489 --> 00:32:31,409 stretching from coast to coast. 565 00:32:31,491 --> 00:32:33,201 I don't know whether it's me or... 566 00:32:34,535 --> 00:32:36,575 whether I looked trusted or what, I don't know, 567 00:32:36,663 --> 00:32:38,333 but, uh, they'd get in the car. 568 00:32:39,374 --> 00:32:40,214 And... 569 00:32:40,833 --> 00:32:42,753 I'd go up and knock on people's doors, 570 00:32:42,835 --> 00:32:45,295 and tell them I'm hungry, tell them I want a drink of water, 571 00:32:45,380 --> 00:32:47,300 they'd invite me right in their house. 572 00:32:49,759 --> 00:32:51,759 They'd say, "Come on in," you know? "Come on." 573 00:32:51,844 --> 00:32:52,974 [man] Mm-hmm. 574 00:32:53,054 --> 00:32:55,064 Which is the worst mistake they make. 575 00:32:55,473 --> 00:32:58,103 I think that was the secret of his success, 576 00:32:58,851 --> 00:33:01,771 because he acts low-key, harmless. 577 00:33:02,814 --> 00:33:03,694 Uh... 578 00:33:03,773 --> 00:33:06,363 You know, somebody'd climb in a car with him. 579 00:33:06,442 --> 00:33:08,902 If they could stand the smell, they'd say, 580 00:33:08,987 --> 00:33:11,027 "Oh, this old boy wouldn't hurt anybody." 581 00:33:11,114 --> 00:33:12,704 [indistinct chattering] 582 00:33:15,243 --> 00:33:19,293 [Hugh] But what causes you to grab a woman or kill one? 583 00:33:19,372 --> 00:33:20,752 I mean, just-- just... 584 00:33:20,915 --> 00:33:23,325 It's just, uh... I don't like women, you know? 585 00:33:23,418 --> 00:33:25,288 -You know, at the time, I didn't like 'em. -Yeah. 586 00:33:25,378 --> 00:33:26,878 And every time I'd see a woman, 587 00:33:26,963 --> 00:33:30,383 whether they was walking down the road, walking down the street, uh... 588 00:33:30,466 --> 00:33:33,256 wherever I seen that woman, I was gonna pick her up. 589 00:33:33,886 --> 00:33:36,006 -[Hugh] Yeah. -Uh, I just hate them. 590 00:33:36,097 --> 00:33:38,727 [Hugh] Well, that's a feeling. That's a pretty strong feeling. 591 00:33:39,684 --> 00:33:42,194 Didn't any woman ever treat you really good? 592 00:33:42,270 --> 00:33:46,270 Clemmie has been the only woman that has actually ever treated me good. 593 00:33:47,108 --> 00:33:48,188 Uh... 594 00:33:48,276 --> 00:33:51,776 She has gone completely out of her way, uh, to help me. 595 00:34:03,833 --> 00:34:06,463 [Clemmie] I had been visiting the jails. 596 00:34:08,629 --> 00:34:09,799 They said, 597 00:34:09,881 --> 00:34:12,681 "Oh, Sister Clemmie, we have a... 598 00:34:13,676 --> 00:34:16,796 new inmate, and he's a serial killer. 599 00:34:17,305 --> 00:34:18,175 Be careful." 600 00:34:18,264 --> 00:34:19,724 You know, all of the jailers, 601 00:34:19,807 --> 00:34:21,847 "Sister, please be careful." 602 00:34:22,518 --> 00:34:25,898 It was, uh, right before Christmas, and I was, uh... 603 00:34:26,606 --> 00:34:30,276 taking, uh, Bibles and handing them out to prisoners, 604 00:34:30,359 --> 00:34:32,609 and I had one left, and, um... 605 00:34:33,237 --> 00:34:35,867 I was going to take the Bible home, and-- and I said, 606 00:34:35,948 --> 00:34:39,618 "Uh, Lord, did I forget someone? Should this Bible go to someone?" 607 00:34:41,204 --> 00:34:43,544 [Henry] And she says, "If I give you this Bible, 608 00:34:43,623 --> 00:34:45,293 you won't tear it up, will you? 609 00:34:45,374 --> 00:34:46,214 You'll read it?" 610 00:34:46,292 --> 00:34:47,292 I said, "Yeah." 611 00:34:48,419 --> 00:34:52,089 "I have given you my Holy Spirit to live in you and to help you." 612 00:34:52,215 --> 00:34:54,085 What does that mean to you, Henry? 613 00:34:54,175 --> 00:34:56,045 That means living a clean life. 614 00:34:57,178 --> 00:34:58,848 Living according to God. 615 00:34:59,263 --> 00:35:02,813 [Henry] She's become a very, very good friend. 616 00:35:04,060 --> 00:35:05,520 She's taught me... 617 00:35:06,104 --> 00:35:07,614 -the Bible... -[man] Mm-hmm. 618 00:35:07,688 --> 00:35:09,268 And she's taught me how to care, 619 00:35:09,357 --> 00:35:10,977 uh, about others. 620 00:35:11,734 --> 00:35:14,284 After about the fourth visit, I baptized him 621 00:35:14,362 --> 00:35:17,702 and I had a love for him that I couldn't explain, you know? 622 00:35:29,043 --> 00:35:32,093 [Clemmie] He said that this is the first time in his life 623 00:35:32,171 --> 00:35:34,631 that he has ever felt good about himself. 624 00:35:37,343 --> 00:35:41,063 He's able to see beauty in things all around him. 625 00:35:42,598 --> 00:35:44,808 He enjoys oil painting. 626 00:35:45,893 --> 00:35:49,773 And he's one of the most gentle persons I know, 627 00:35:49,856 --> 00:35:50,976 and it's like... 628 00:35:51,065 --> 00:35:54,025 he was never capable of loving before, 629 00:35:54,110 --> 00:35:57,910 and it's like he has a deep brotherly love for me. 630 00:36:00,408 --> 00:36:02,828 [Henry] God himself sent her to me. 631 00:36:05,288 --> 00:36:08,418 [newscaster] Lucas says God told him to start telling what he'd done. 632 00:36:08,499 --> 00:36:09,329 Uh... [exhales] 633 00:36:09,417 --> 00:36:13,457 It's an experience I had with a light, uh, that came in my cell. 634 00:36:14,630 --> 00:36:18,340 Jesus Christ himself came in and asked me to accept Him 635 00:36:19,427 --> 00:36:20,927 as my personal savior. 636 00:36:22,013 --> 00:36:24,893 And I said then, I says, "I can't, uh... 637 00:36:25,766 --> 00:36:28,186 clear up the cases because I can't remember 'em." 638 00:36:28,269 --> 00:36:31,189 And He says, "I will take care of that." 639 00:36:31,689 --> 00:36:34,979 From that day on, I've been able to go back to the bodies, 640 00:36:35,067 --> 00:36:37,817 I've been able to tell where they're at and everything else. 641 00:36:40,323 --> 00:36:42,533 [newscaster] Authorities say he has an incredible recall 642 00:36:42,617 --> 00:36:45,787 for names, dates, and details of his crimes and crime scenes. 643 00:36:46,204 --> 00:36:48,964 [newscaster 2] Lucas was relaxed, and he even lit a cigarette, 644 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:50,420 after he led deputies down a road 645 00:36:50,499 --> 00:36:53,129 where he allegedly killed one of the women. 646 00:36:53,211 --> 00:36:55,961 [Clayton] Being able to direct persons 647 00:36:56,214 --> 00:37:00,224 ten, 15 years after the offenses occurred is sort of frightening. 648 00:37:00,635 --> 00:37:03,545 There's just so many things that would lead you to believe 649 00:37:03,638 --> 00:37:04,758 that he was there. 650 00:37:04,847 --> 00:37:07,807 That's the-- That's the door I came out of right there. 651 00:37:07,892 --> 00:37:09,232 -The one in the front? -Yeah. 652 00:37:09,310 --> 00:37:12,610 [Jim] I recall, uh, one particular murder case where... 653 00:37:12,688 --> 00:37:16,688 a, uh, Playboy magazine was found by the, uh, victim. 654 00:37:17,485 --> 00:37:19,105 Henry told the officers, 655 00:37:19,195 --> 00:37:21,855 uh, that-- that they would have found that magazine there 656 00:37:21,948 --> 00:37:25,198 and even told them the year and the month the magazine was issued. 657 00:37:28,537 --> 00:37:31,247 [officer] I think this one is a better one right there. 658 00:37:31,624 --> 00:37:34,464 [Henry] All I have to do, if I've ever killed a person, 659 00:37:34,961 --> 00:37:38,051 is they can show me a live photograph of that person 660 00:37:38,256 --> 00:37:41,176 and I can look at the picture and I can tell you if I've killed her. 661 00:37:41,259 --> 00:37:44,259 And if I've killed her, I tell you how and where. 662 00:37:44,845 --> 00:37:45,925 Uh... 663 00:37:46,013 --> 00:37:49,183 He's, uh, confessing to all of his crimes, 664 00:37:49,267 --> 00:37:52,687 and he's bringing forth the bodies so they can have Christian burials. 665 00:37:55,564 --> 00:37:58,614 Receiving letters from his victims' families 666 00:37:58,693 --> 00:38:01,323 are very moving and touching to him. 667 00:38:06,867 --> 00:38:08,947 [Henry] There's people out there in this world today 668 00:38:09,036 --> 00:38:10,656 that's lost their loved ones, 669 00:38:10,746 --> 00:38:12,116 and they wanna know who done it. 670 00:38:12,957 --> 00:38:15,787 Why should I hide my face, saying I'm a coward, you know? 671 00:38:15,876 --> 00:38:18,086 Uh... I want them to know who I am. 672 00:38:18,546 --> 00:38:21,006 He feels like he's doing the will of God 673 00:38:21,090 --> 00:38:24,970 and this is the first time that he has any inner-- inner peace. 674 00:38:26,887 --> 00:38:29,717 [Nan] Clemmie was his spiritual advisor, 675 00:38:30,016 --> 00:38:32,386 but she also cooked his dinners. 676 00:38:33,311 --> 00:38:35,441 I did an interview with Henry 677 00:38:36,105 --> 00:38:37,645 during one of those dinners. 678 00:38:38,065 --> 00:38:39,435 He was not in handcuffs. 679 00:38:39,525 --> 00:38:41,315 Clemmie was cutting his meat... 680 00:38:41,402 --> 00:38:42,242 [small laugh] 681 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:43,450 and cantaloupe, 682 00:38:43,529 --> 00:38:44,949 and handing him the plate, 683 00:38:45,031 --> 00:38:47,871 and we were interviewing him while that was happening. 684 00:38:47,950 --> 00:38:49,580 She also cut his hair. 685 00:38:50,453 --> 00:38:55,213 I couldn't believe that he was right next to a pair of barber scissors, 686 00:38:55,666 --> 00:38:57,586 smiling at everyone, 687 00:38:57,668 --> 00:39:00,378 and Clemmie not really understanding 688 00:39:00,463 --> 00:39:02,053 how dangerous that was. 689 00:39:05,259 --> 00:39:07,719 They created a community. 690 00:39:07,803 --> 00:39:09,473 It almost seemed like a family. 691 00:39:12,099 --> 00:39:16,269 Sheriff Boutwell and Bob Prince, especially, would talk about 692 00:39:16,354 --> 00:39:20,904 maintaining Henry's mood so he would continue to cooperate. 693 00:39:21,525 --> 00:39:25,105 We've gained his confidence and we need to keep his confidence. 694 00:39:25,196 --> 00:39:26,026 Um... 695 00:39:26,614 --> 00:39:27,624 Uh... 696 00:39:28,449 --> 00:39:31,329 You know, if he doesn't have our confidence, he could... 697 00:39:31,660 --> 00:39:33,750 um, he could either quit talking or... 698 00:39:34,246 --> 00:39:37,826 or, uh, tell us some things that... that were not true. 699 00:39:37,917 --> 00:39:39,377 [indistinct chattering] 700 00:39:40,711 --> 00:39:44,381 [Hugh] He had free rein in Georgetown. 701 00:39:45,341 --> 00:39:48,261 He got drinks out of the soft-drink machine. 702 00:39:48,969 --> 00:39:51,559 He wandered around without handcuffs. 703 00:39:53,599 --> 00:39:55,769 [Henry] I consider Georgetown my home. 704 00:39:56,727 --> 00:39:59,357 It's a little hard to say, you know, being a jail, 705 00:39:59,438 --> 00:40:01,188 -but, uh, it's home. -[woman laughs] 706 00:40:02,358 --> 00:40:04,738 [newscaster] There is an easy-going, relaxed feeling 707 00:40:04,819 --> 00:40:06,399 between lawman and killer. 708 00:40:07,154 --> 00:40:09,414 [Henry] Being friendly towards each other, 709 00:40:09,490 --> 00:40:12,990 and, uh, I joke a lot with Bob, kid with him, 710 00:40:13,077 --> 00:40:16,117 and I do the Sheriff the same way, or Clayton Smith. 711 00:40:17,123 --> 00:40:19,753 Henry was so happy 712 00:40:20,501 --> 00:40:22,131 being at the jail. 713 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:24,960 They didn't treat him as a killer, 714 00:40:25,381 --> 00:40:28,631 but as a friend that they would be working with. 715 00:40:29,552 --> 00:40:30,392 [Nan] It was... 716 00:40:30,636 --> 00:40:33,806 making him feel as though he was contributing 717 00:40:34,223 --> 00:40:36,813 by helping to solve the cases, 718 00:40:36,892 --> 00:40:39,232 because the families needed him to do that. 719 00:40:40,104 --> 00:40:42,774 [Henry] I was trying, like I'm doing right now, 720 00:40:42,857 --> 00:40:46,027 just to get, uh, the cases solved, you know? 721 00:40:46,986 --> 00:40:50,776 But, uh, there's nobody else gonna solve them except me. 722 00:40:52,116 --> 00:40:56,326 [Hugh] As I started talking to Henry, things just... 723 00:40:57,037 --> 00:40:58,247 didn't add up. 724 00:40:58,330 --> 00:40:59,170 [Henry] Uh... 725 00:40:59,957 --> 00:41:01,207 There's hundreds of 'em. 726 00:41:01,292 --> 00:41:03,422 [Hugh] One of the Japanese guys said, uh, 727 00:41:04,378 --> 00:41:06,548 "Well, you've just been all over." And he... 728 00:41:06,881 --> 00:41:08,261 Henry said, "Yes, 729 00:41:08,924 --> 00:41:10,844 I got some in your country." 730 00:41:11,260 --> 00:41:12,680 [speaking Japanese] 731 00:41:13,262 --> 00:41:15,142 He's going to be caught by the police. 732 00:41:16,390 --> 00:41:18,180 Because it's a small country. 733 00:41:18,267 --> 00:41:19,477 Make you a bet. 734 00:41:21,312 --> 00:41:24,152 [laughs] 735 00:41:24,982 --> 00:41:27,152 I've been in your country, too. [laughs] 736 00:41:27,234 --> 00:41:29,864 Somebody asked him, "Well, how did you get there?" 737 00:41:30,613 --> 00:41:32,623 And he said, "Well, I drove, of course." 738 00:41:33,324 --> 00:41:35,244 -[interviewer] To where? -To Japan. 739 00:41:43,959 --> 00:41:46,669 [Hugh] The task force was doing very, very well. 740 00:41:49,131 --> 00:41:52,221 Boutwell was thrilled. He wanted everybody to know that... 741 00:41:53,010 --> 00:41:56,930 in his jail, they had this task force, and that... 742 00:41:57,264 --> 00:41:59,644 they were-- they were clearing all these murders. 743 00:42:00,809 --> 00:42:04,609 Hey, let's face it, everybody wants to solve murders. 744 00:42:06,690 --> 00:42:08,820 Families were pleased. 745 00:42:09,151 --> 00:42:12,361 You know, you have a member of your family killed, 746 00:42:13,030 --> 00:42:14,990 you want to find out the perpetrator. 747 00:42:16,408 --> 00:42:18,118 And so many of them slept better 748 00:42:18,786 --> 00:42:22,206 because they felt they had found the perp. 749 00:42:23,624 --> 00:42:25,544 This is a bad guy. 750 00:42:26,460 --> 00:42:29,510 Everyone's perfect serial killer. 751 00:42:34,009 --> 00:42:39,099 And yet, I had interviewed a lot of murderers over the years, 752 00:42:39,848 --> 00:42:41,018 and this was... 753 00:42:41,684 --> 00:42:43,734 this was so far out of the norm. 754 00:42:45,479 --> 00:42:46,859 -Thank you very much. -Thank you. 755 00:42:46,939 --> 00:42:50,939 f[Hugh] I knew I had to keep questioning, checking. 756 00:42:55,698 --> 00:42:58,118 When there was nobody around but me and Henry, 757 00:42:58,492 --> 00:43:01,292 he'd say, "Well, I didn't really do all them things." 758 00:43:02,871 --> 00:43:04,621 He said, "I'm just making this up. 759 00:43:05,165 --> 00:43:06,535 I'll talk to you later." 760 00:43:07,001 --> 00:43:08,921 [mid-tempo music plays] 761 00:43:17,595 --> 00:43:21,175 ♪ If these lies don't make it right ♪ 762 00:43:22,182 --> 00:43:25,982 ♪ Can we pretend enough is true ♪ 763 00:43:27,313 --> 00:43:30,573 ♪ And if the highway calls at night ♪ 764 00:43:31,442 --> 00:43:35,202 ♪ Well, these bars still make me blue ♪ 765 00:43:36,488 --> 00:43:40,158 ♪ Can a lie told enough ♪ 766 00:43:42,369 --> 00:43:44,369 ♪ Become true? ♪ 767 00:43:45,789 --> 00:43:49,669 ♪ Can a lie told enough ♪ 768 00:43:50,461 --> 00:43:53,011 ♪ Become enough for you? ♪ 57992

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