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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:01:28,033 --> 00:01:29,433 Congratulations, Mr. President. 4 00:01:29,500 --> 00:01:32,533 Johnson: Just the beginning, Bob. 5 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:34,000 Man: Sir! Mr. President! 6 00:01:34,066 --> 00:01:36,500 Over here, please! Thank you! 7 00:01:39,367 --> 00:01:41,000 She is pretty. 8 00:01:41,066 --> 00:01:44,233 - Having a good time, George? - Great night, Mr. President. 9 00:01:46,066 --> 00:01:48,700 - What a night. - Johnson: You bet, George. 10 00:01:48,767 --> 00:01:51,033 Mr. Johnson! 11 00:01:51,100 --> 00:01:54,233 Thank you, sir! Mrs. Johnson! 12 00:01:58,967 --> 00:02:01,300 Man: Get him, girls. Get him. 13 00:02:59,033 --> 00:03:01,300 Senator Dirksen, the president would be delighted 14 00:03:01,367 --> 00:03:03,433 if you'd join him in the Oval Office after the ball. 15 00:03:03,500 --> 00:03:04,433 I will. 16 00:03:39,233 --> 00:03:42,533 One thing I can say about the Great Society-- 17 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:44,233 it sure is crowded. 18 00:03:48,700 --> 00:03:50,967 Up all night writing this one, Dick? 19 00:03:51,033 --> 00:03:54,333 Uh, this is one speech I'll gladly disavow. 20 00:03:55,500 --> 00:03:57,934 Got a clipping here. 21 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,400 Quotes my honorable defeated opponent, 22 00:04:00,467 --> 00:04:02,066 Senator Goldwater. 23 00:04:02,133 --> 00:04:07,800 Calls my secretary of defense "an IBM machine with legs." 24 00:04:07,867 --> 00:04:09,433 Outrageous! 25 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,033 Now, I stand here tonight to tell you 26 00:04:28,100 --> 00:04:30,700 that I regard Bob McNamara here 27 00:04:30,767 --> 00:04:33,233 as not only one of the smartest, 28 00:04:33,300 --> 00:04:36,133 but one of the most humane men I know. 29 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:37,667 Yeah. Over here. 30 00:04:39,633 --> 00:04:42,300 Man: Goldwater's history! 31 00:04:45,633 --> 00:04:47,967 And that goes for all my blue-ribbon men 32 00:04:48,033 --> 00:04:49,500 you see here tonight. 33 00:04:49,567 --> 00:04:50,567 Yep. 34 00:04:50,633 --> 00:04:53,000 Never in our history has there been 35 00:04:53,066 --> 00:04:55,934 such an abundance of brains and talent. 36 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,233 Why, I've got three or four Rhodes scholars, 37 00:04:59,300 --> 00:05:02,367 four or five graduates of Harvard, 38 00:05:02,433 --> 00:05:04,600 a couple from Yale. 39 00:05:04,667 --> 00:05:06,934 And, why, there's even one here tonight 40 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:10,400 from Southwest Texas State Teachers College. 41 00:05:19,133 --> 00:05:22,700 And don't you know, that one rules the roost. 42 00:05:28,300 --> 00:05:32,467 ♪ The eyes of Texas are upon you ♪ 43 00:05:32,533 --> 00:05:36,734 ♪ All the livelong day ♪ 44 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:40,500 ♪ The eyes of Texas are upon you ♪ 45 00:05:40,567 --> 00:05:45,066 ♪ You cannot get away ♪ 46 00:05:45,133 --> 00:05:49,100 ♪ Do not think you can escape them ♪ 47 00:05:49,166 --> 00:05:53,233 ♪ At night or early in the morn ♪ 48 00:05:53,300 --> 00:05:57,400 ♪ The eyes of Texas are upon you ♪ 49 00:05:57,467 --> 00:06:01,233 ♪ Till Gabriel blows his horn... ♪ 50 00:06:01,300 --> 00:06:04,333 Hey! Thank you. 51 00:06:05,433 --> 00:06:07,700 ( singing and cheering continue ) 52 00:06:31,166 --> 00:06:33,333 Watch broken, Jack? 53 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:35,433 - Timing it. - Timing what? 54 00:06:35,500 --> 00:06:38,367 The applause. He'll ask. 55 00:06:39,533 --> 00:06:43,200 ♪ The eyes of Texas are upon you ♪ 56 00:06:43,266 --> 00:06:47,967 ♪ Till Gabriel blows his horn. ♪ 57 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:51,667 Johnson on TV: In a land of great wealth, 58 00:06:51,734 --> 00:06:57,400 families must not live in hopeless poverty. 59 00:06:57,467 --> 00:07:00,633 In a land rich in harvest, 60 00:07:00,700 --> 00:07:04,700 children just must not go hungry. 61 00:07:04,767 --> 00:07:08,300 In a land of healing miracles, 62 00:07:08,367 --> 00:07:12,934 neighbors must not suffer and die unattended. 63 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:18,100 In a great land of learning and scholars, 64 00:07:18,166 --> 00:07:22,133 young people must be taught to read and write. 65 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,133 Dirksen: A bit more volume, please, Mr. President? 66 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:27,333 I want to hear every brilliant word 67 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,700 that Dick Goodwin wrote for your marvelous speech. 68 00:07:30,767 --> 00:07:32,934 Goodwin? Who told you Goodwin wrote that speech? 69 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,033 A dozen people work on my speeches. 70 00:07:35,100 --> 00:07:36,734 Nobody more than I do. 71 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:37,934 Why, Jack here's been writing 72 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,133 some of my best stuff for seven years. 73 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:42,633 My penance for marrying away his last secretary, 74 00:07:42,700 --> 00:07:44,367 but thank you for the credit, Mr. President. 75 00:07:44,433 --> 00:07:46,367 - Good night, Jack. - Good night, Mr. President. 76 00:07:46,433 --> 00:07:48,533 - Good night, Senator. - Good night, Jack. 77 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:50,567 Johnson on TV: ...with the resources I have had, 78 00:07:50,633 --> 00:07:52,767 I have vigilantly fought against it. 79 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,934 - Goodwin wrote maybe a word or two. - Mm-hmm. 80 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,033 "Great" being one, "Society" the other? 81 00:08:01,100 --> 00:08:04,734 - Smart son of a bitch got that out of a book. 82 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:06,200 Now, listen to me, Ev. 83 00:08:06,266 --> 00:08:09,033 And listen well. You're a good friend. 84 00:08:09,100 --> 00:08:11,500 I don't want to see you retire prematurely. 85 00:08:11,567 --> 00:08:13,734 But as this reception plainly shows you, 86 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:15,233 the American people ain't gonna stand 87 00:08:15,300 --> 00:08:17,467 for you fellas on the other side of the aisle 88 00:08:17,533 --> 00:08:19,533 dragging your feet on any of my programs. 89 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,166 Now, FDR passed a handful of bills 90 00:08:22,233 --> 00:08:23,734 in his first hundred days. 91 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:25,367 I'm gonna pass a bucketful-- 92 00:08:25,433 --> 00:08:27,633 poverty, education, health care. 93 00:08:27,700 --> 00:08:30,033 And I'm gonna finish what I started on civil rights, too. 94 00:08:30,100 --> 00:08:33,133 I'm telling you, Jim Crow put a collar on more smart men 95 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,600 sure as they were sentenced to an Illinois chain gang. 96 00:08:35,667 --> 00:08:38,166 Whoa, whoa, whoa. I take offense, sir. 97 00:08:38,233 --> 00:08:40,367 We are most humane to our condemned. 98 00:08:40,433 --> 00:08:42,834 The Great Society is my beautiful woman, Ev, 99 00:08:42,900 --> 00:08:44,934 and I'm taking her by the arm. 100 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,700 And as the greatest Republican leader of this century, 101 00:08:47,767 --> 00:08:50,000 Everett Dirksen is gonna take her by the other 102 00:08:50,066 --> 00:08:52,300 and help me escort that lady home. 103 00:08:52,367 --> 00:08:53,900 Yes. 104 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,567 And knowing what is likely thence to ensue, Mr. President, 105 00:08:57,633 --> 00:08:59,834 that is where I shall take my leave. 106 00:08:59,900 --> 00:09:02,700 Lyndon? I apologize for interrupting. 107 00:09:02,767 --> 00:09:05,066 I thought perhaps you'd like some sandwiches from the kitchen. 108 00:09:05,133 --> 00:09:10,133 Mrs. Johnson, my most abject apology. 109 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,166 I have kept your husband far too long 110 00:09:12,233 --> 00:09:13,934 on this most festive occasion. 111 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,367 No. 112 00:09:16,433 --> 00:09:18,567 Mr. President, 113 00:09:18,633 --> 00:09:20,433 a heartfelt congratulations, sir. 114 00:09:20,500 --> 00:09:22,133 Adieu. 115 00:09:23,300 --> 00:09:25,266 - Good night. - Good night. 116 00:09:25,333 --> 00:09:27,533 Johnson on TV: If we fail now, 117 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:32,200 then we will have forgotten in abundance 118 00:09:32,266 --> 00:09:34,734 - what we learned in hardship. 119 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:38,433 Democracy rests on faith, 120 00:09:38,500 --> 00:09:42,233 freedom asks more than it gives, 121 00:09:42,300 --> 00:09:44,500 and the judgment of God... 122 00:09:44,567 --> 00:09:47,100 It was a wonderful speech. 123 00:09:47,166 --> 00:09:49,500 Full of such hope and promise. 124 00:09:49,567 --> 00:09:50,967 Dick Goodwin asked what I thought, 125 00:09:51,033 --> 00:09:54,166 and I told him it was a magnificent job. 126 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,734 And you delivered it so very well. 127 00:09:57,800 --> 00:09:59,934 - Thank you, honey. - Yes, you did. 128 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,066 Thank you. 129 00:10:14,967 --> 00:10:17,066 9:00 p.m. unless you hear from me. 130 00:10:30,667 --> 00:10:32,100 - Morning. How are you? - How are you, sir? 131 00:10:32,166 --> 00:10:33,867 - Is that for me? Thank you. - Yes, sir. 132 00:10:33,934 --> 00:10:34,967 - Good morning. - Good morning. 133 00:10:35,033 --> 00:10:36,600 Morning. 134 00:10:36,667 --> 00:10:38,867 Good morning, Mr. Secretary. 135 00:10:38,934 --> 00:10:41,266 What have we got here? A crisis in every capital? 136 00:10:41,333 --> 00:10:43,300 Uh, just one. 137 00:10:44,700 --> 00:10:48,066 - This is one cable? - Not quite. 138 00:10:49,533 --> 00:10:51,200 Here's the rest of it. 139 00:10:57,967 --> 00:11:00,900 McNamara: The situation in Vietnam is continuing to deteriorate. 140 00:11:00,967 --> 00:11:03,800 We've been able to keep the noise level down since your campaign, 141 00:11:03,867 --> 00:11:06,900 but my guess is you'll be faced with a tough decision soon. 142 00:11:06,967 --> 00:11:08,433 How soon? 143 00:11:08,500 --> 00:11:11,066 There are 19 million older folks who can't see a doctor. 144 00:11:11,133 --> 00:11:13,166 33 million under the poverty line. 145 00:11:13,233 --> 00:11:15,834 I can't have Congress distracted. 146 00:11:18,433 --> 00:11:20,533 Now, how soon, Bob? 147 00:11:21,500 --> 00:11:23,500 Very soon, Mr. President. 148 00:11:23,567 --> 00:11:25,333 I hate to have to report this to you, 149 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,533 but Max Taylor says here that Vietcong enlistment 150 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:30,166 is increasing rapidly 151 00:11:30,233 --> 00:11:33,133 and that Saigon can't continue much longer 152 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,133 to provide security for our advisors down there 153 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:37,600 and fight an insurgency at the same time. 154 00:11:37,667 --> 00:11:40,700 Why not? How many men does South Vietnam have out there fighting? 155 00:11:40,767 --> 00:11:43,367 200,000. VC have about 34,000. 156 00:11:43,433 --> 00:11:46,567 Well, how the hell can 34,000 lick 200,000? 157 00:11:46,633 --> 00:11:48,867 Well, historically, a 10:1 ratio minimum 158 00:11:48,934 --> 00:11:50,567 is required for a guerilla situation, 159 00:11:50,633 --> 00:11:53,266 and there's no way that South Vietnam can achieve that on their own. 160 00:11:53,333 --> 00:11:55,133 Now, we've kept our powder dry 161 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:57,200 through the elections and the holidays, 162 00:11:57,266 --> 00:11:58,700 waiting for some stability in the south, 163 00:11:58,767 --> 00:12:00,467 waiting for the cycle of coups to end, 164 00:12:00,533 --> 00:12:03,767 during which we've had five killed in the attack at Bien Hoa, 165 00:12:03,834 --> 00:12:05,500 two at our Saigon officers quarters, 166 00:12:05,567 --> 00:12:08,967 and scores wounded with no retaliation from us whatsoever. 167 00:12:09,033 --> 00:12:11,300 Now, Wheeler, the other chiefs, Westmoreland, 168 00:12:11,367 --> 00:12:13,633 are fit to be tied, as you know, 169 00:12:13,700 --> 00:12:16,433 and now this from Ambassador Taylor. 170 00:12:18,734 --> 00:12:21,166 You might send Mac Bundy to Saigon, have a talk with him. 171 00:12:21,233 --> 00:12:22,633 I'd make another trip myself, 172 00:12:22,700 --> 00:12:24,867 but I'm in the middle of the defense budget right now. 173 00:12:24,934 --> 00:12:27,633 I don't want to see the word "Vietnam" in that damn budget. 174 00:12:27,700 --> 00:12:29,834 Well... 175 00:12:29,900 --> 00:12:31,567 you know I'd do that if I could. 176 00:12:31,633 --> 00:12:34,000 In fact, it's becoming increasingly difficult to conceal-- 177 00:12:34,066 --> 00:12:37,166 Bob, all I want to know is this. 178 00:12:37,233 --> 00:12:39,467 What's it gonna take to get Ho Chi Minh to quit? 179 00:12:39,533 --> 00:12:41,667 That's all I want to know. 180 00:12:42,700 --> 00:12:44,667 Mr. President, it's clear to me now 181 00:12:44,734 --> 00:12:49,867 that the answer is sustained military action in the air. 182 00:12:49,934 --> 00:12:52,700 And if that doesn't work, 183 00:12:52,767 --> 00:12:55,066 on the ground. 184 00:12:55,133 --> 00:12:58,266 This is the decision you are going to have to face, Mr. President, 185 00:12:58,333 --> 00:13:02,433 and as I said, very soon, I'm afraid. 186 00:13:06,567 --> 00:13:08,667 Keep me up to date, Bob. 187 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:12,800 - Turn that thing off. - Yes, sir. 188 00:13:12,867 --> 00:13:14,200 This Medicare speech is shit. 189 00:13:14,266 --> 00:13:15,900 Cut out the gobbledygook and sex it up. 190 00:13:15,967 --> 00:13:17,600 Maybe Goodwin ought to take a crack at it. 191 00:13:17,667 --> 00:13:19,367 Goodwin's got three months of assignments. 192 00:13:19,433 --> 00:13:21,967 Oh, I just put the last of those on your desk, Mr. President. 193 00:13:22,033 --> 00:13:23,934 I'd be glad to look it over if you'd like me to. 194 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:25,266 All right. 195 00:13:25,333 --> 00:13:26,900 Put the music to it, Dick. 196 00:13:32,867 --> 00:13:34,734 Jack, I want you to tell him 197 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,367 to stop taking credit for every goddamn word I say. 198 00:13:37,433 --> 00:13:39,934 - Absolutely, Mr. President. - All right. 199 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,166 Come on, dog. Up you go. 200 00:13:48,033 --> 00:13:50,200 - Schedule me a haircut. - Surely. 201 00:13:50,266 --> 00:13:53,567 And see if you can get Clark Clifford here for dinner. 202 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:01,200 Lady Bird: Converting from Protestant to Catholic is a big step. 203 00:14:01,266 --> 00:14:04,333 Actually, Lyndon took it better than I did. 204 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:05,934 I was quite surprised. 205 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:07,800 Well, both you and Daddy changed your religions. 206 00:14:07,867 --> 00:14:10,400 From one Protestant denomination to another. 207 00:14:10,467 --> 00:14:12,233 It was a matter of convenience and schooling. 208 00:14:12,300 --> 00:14:14,734 Well, I don't think religion should be a matter of convenience. 209 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:16,333 And this is a private matter, Luci. 210 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:18,967 You're finishing up at Texas, aren't you, Lynda? 211 00:14:19,033 --> 00:14:21,266 - Next year, ma'am. - She's dating George Hamilton, you know? 212 00:14:21,333 --> 00:14:23,166 - The actor? - Yeah. 213 00:14:23,233 --> 00:14:26,600 - With the tan? - And your sister may consider that a private matter, too. 214 00:14:26,667 --> 00:14:29,967 - Oh, Mother, you must be joking. 215 00:14:31,900 --> 00:14:34,800 Come on now, damn it. What's the reason this time? 216 00:14:34,867 --> 00:14:37,700 I don't have the qualifications to be CIA director. 217 00:14:37,767 --> 00:14:39,500 I decide the qualifications. 218 00:14:39,567 --> 00:14:42,400 You had all the qualifications to be attorney general, didn't you? 219 00:14:42,467 --> 00:14:45,367 To succeed Bobby Kennedy. 220 00:14:45,433 --> 00:14:48,033 Yeah, and here I am stuck with a friend of his-- Katzenbach. 221 00:14:48,100 --> 00:14:50,433 - He's excellent. - Aw, well, look. 222 00:14:50,500 --> 00:14:53,066 All right, you told me your interest was foreign affairs. 223 00:14:53,133 --> 00:14:55,200 Well, that's where I need your help-- foreign affairs. 224 00:14:55,266 --> 00:14:57,800 What is CIA but foreign affairs? 225 00:14:57,867 --> 00:14:59,934 I think my skills would better serve you 226 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,166 in foreign policy, Mr. President, 227 00:15:02,233 --> 00:15:05,033 not foreign intrigue. 228 00:15:05,100 --> 00:15:08,066 I hear you billed a million dollars last year. 229 00:15:08,133 --> 00:15:09,667 First lawyer in the country to do that. 230 00:15:09,734 --> 00:15:13,033 - True? - Well, that's what 5% came to. 231 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:16,533 Well, hell, then you can afford to take a hiatus 232 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:18,033 from all this moneymaking, 233 00:15:18,100 --> 00:15:20,800 come serve your president. 234 00:15:20,867 --> 00:15:22,867 I don't think you need an attorney, old friend, 235 00:15:22,934 --> 00:15:25,467 I think you need a magician. 236 00:15:25,533 --> 00:15:27,767 - Magician? - Yeah. 237 00:15:27,834 --> 00:15:32,233 Someone who can make a small corner of Southeast Asia disappear. 238 00:15:32,300 --> 00:15:35,066 President Kennedy did not lose South Vietnam 239 00:15:35,133 --> 00:15:37,133 and I'm not gonna lose South Vietnam. 240 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:38,600 I kept all these people on. 241 00:15:38,667 --> 00:15:41,667 They assured me he was determined to stick it out. 242 00:15:41,734 --> 00:15:45,200 Now, that little son of a bitch Bobby's just hovering to swoop down 243 00:15:45,266 --> 00:15:47,867 and reclaim the mantle if I fail. 244 00:15:47,934 --> 00:15:49,600 He'll hang me from my left ball, 245 00:15:49,667 --> 00:15:51,533 Goldwater'll hang me from my right. 246 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,400 That is complete nonsense. 247 00:15:54,467 --> 00:15:57,300 You humiliated Goldwater in the election. 248 00:15:57,367 --> 00:15:59,200 The entire right wing is in disarray. 249 00:15:59,266 --> 00:16:02,467 Bobby is a freshman senator with no record. 250 00:16:02,533 --> 00:16:04,166 His brother was a no-record senator, too, wasn't he? 251 00:16:04,233 --> 00:16:08,000 - And he came out of nowhere. 252 00:16:08,066 --> 00:16:09,900 Luci: Daddy? 253 00:16:09,967 --> 00:16:12,767 Would you like some dessert or are you on your diet? 254 00:16:12,834 --> 00:16:15,133 Now, you save some for me, honey, if it's good. 255 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:16,934 - How about you, Mr. Clifford? - No, thank you, dear. 256 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,200 No, he's not getting anything. 257 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:25,667 Now, 258 00:16:25,734 --> 00:16:30,934 Jack Kennedy put 16,000 advisors in there. 259 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:31,934 I put in another eight. 260 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:33,834 We've got 24,000 now, 261 00:16:33,900 --> 00:16:36,467 teaching them people how to shoot and fly planes. 262 00:16:36,533 --> 00:16:38,834 We got patrols and covert operations. 263 00:16:38,900 --> 00:16:40,567 We got an alphabet soup of aid programs, 264 00:16:40,633 --> 00:16:43,266 a lot of which I'd like to have right here. 265 00:16:43,333 --> 00:16:46,667 And none of it's working because of all this coup shit. 266 00:16:46,734 --> 00:16:48,800 It's like building bricks with no mortar down there. 267 00:16:48,867 --> 00:16:51,900 There's nothing real to hang it on. 268 00:16:51,967 --> 00:16:53,767 Now, Ho Chi Minh knows this, 269 00:16:53,834 --> 00:16:57,333 and he's gonna keep his people attacking till there's nothing left. 270 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:00,133 Now, if we call it quits and continue as we are, 271 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:03,667 South Vietnam, maybe the whole of Southeast Asia, goes Communist. 272 00:17:03,734 --> 00:17:06,967 Now, even George Ball admits that. 273 00:17:07,033 --> 00:17:09,166 Everybody else thinks we ought to up the ante. 274 00:17:09,233 --> 00:17:11,433 Bombing? 275 00:17:14,166 --> 00:17:16,300 Look at this. 276 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,266 Bunch of sheds just outside Hanoi. 277 00:17:23,333 --> 00:17:26,066 And they call that a military target? 278 00:17:26,133 --> 00:17:27,767 There's a school right up the street. 279 00:17:27,834 --> 00:17:29,100 Poles built it for 'em. 280 00:17:29,166 --> 00:17:32,934 Hell, Clark, I could build them a thousand damn schools. 281 00:17:34,633 --> 00:17:39,000 I'd like you to start to follow the situation down there. 282 00:17:39,066 --> 00:17:41,266 Read some of these reports they keep throwing at me. 283 00:17:41,333 --> 00:17:43,867 I just don't know what to believe anymore. 284 00:17:43,934 --> 00:17:45,567 Biggest damn mess. 285 00:17:45,633 --> 00:17:49,800 You'd be on the outside. You could take a fresh look. 286 00:17:49,867 --> 00:17:51,533 I'll do everything I can to help. 287 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,400 Yeah, except come work for me. 288 00:17:54,467 --> 00:17:56,066 Hey, what about the Supreme Court? 289 00:17:56,133 --> 00:17:57,367 What if a seat opens up? 290 00:17:57,433 --> 00:17:59,367 I'm an advocate. I'm not a judge. 291 00:17:59,433 --> 00:18:03,233 Hell, Clark, you're a hick lawyer from Missouri. 292 00:18:03,300 --> 00:18:05,734 Well, I may be a hick lawyer from Missouri, 293 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:07,300 but as you yourself pointed out, 294 00:18:07,367 --> 00:18:11,834 I haven't made Missouri wages for a long, long time. 295 00:18:11,900 --> 00:18:16,500 You know, I ran saying I was for peace. 296 00:18:16,567 --> 00:18:19,734 Now, sure as hell they're telling me I gotta do 297 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,033 what I said I wasn't gonna do, 298 00:18:22,100 --> 00:18:24,700 what Goldwater was gonna do. 299 00:18:33,567 --> 00:18:36,567 Luci's converting to Catholicism. 300 00:18:36,633 --> 00:18:38,433 Big decision for a young girl. 301 00:18:38,500 --> 00:18:40,000 He told me. 302 00:18:40,066 --> 00:18:42,266 He said when the press gets hold of it, 303 00:18:42,333 --> 00:18:45,567 they'll make it sound as if she did it as a tribute to the Kennedys. 304 00:18:45,633 --> 00:18:47,600 Oh. 305 00:18:47,667 --> 00:18:51,533 I swear, I think he was only half joking. 306 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:58,500 Clark? 307 00:18:58,567 --> 00:19:00,367 Oh. 308 00:19:17,333 --> 00:19:18,700 Hello? 309 00:19:18,767 --> 00:19:21,200 I'm sorry, he's asleep. 310 00:19:21,266 --> 00:19:22,467 He's just gotten over pneumonia. 311 00:19:22,533 --> 00:19:25,100 I'd rather not wake him. 312 00:19:25,166 --> 00:19:26,800 I-- I know. 313 00:19:26,867 --> 00:19:29,967 - Is it possible-- - Marg? 314 00:19:33,367 --> 00:19:36,100 Sorry, Bob. Must be pretty damn bad to keep you at home. 315 00:19:36,166 --> 00:19:38,333 Let's just call it the Hanoi flu. 316 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:39,533 What the hell's going on here? 317 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,533 General. II Corps Headquarters at Pleiku. 318 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:44,300 Vietcong cut through the wire. 319 00:19:44,367 --> 00:19:47,700 Blew up our advisors' barracks, planes, choppers on the runway. 320 00:19:47,767 --> 00:19:49,700 - In Camp Holloway... - Casualty report. 321 00:19:49,767 --> 00:19:50,567 ...more of the same. 322 00:19:50,633 --> 00:19:52,300 Advisors' compound next door. 323 00:19:52,367 --> 00:19:55,467 VC got in with mortars and grenade launchers. 324 00:19:55,533 --> 00:19:57,467 There are eight dead, 120-plus wounded, 325 00:19:57,533 --> 00:19:58,767 six choppers, one transport destroyed, 326 00:19:58,834 --> 00:20:00,300 other aircraft severely damaged. 327 00:20:00,367 --> 00:20:02,500 Colonel: Mr. Secretary? 328 00:20:02,567 --> 00:20:06,467 The National Security Advisor's in Saigon, is he not? 329 00:20:06,533 --> 00:20:09,200 Didn't the CIA say Hanoi would connect Bundy's visit 330 00:20:09,266 --> 00:20:10,734 with a decision on bombing? 331 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,734 Vietcong agents in Saigon government probably leaked it out. 332 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,133 And knowing this, knowing this, 333 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:17,867 look what they did, Bob. 334 00:20:17,934 --> 00:20:19,633 They blew up 128 people 335 00:20:19,700 --> 00:20:21,300 just to thumb their noses at us. 336 00:20:21,367 --> 00:20:24,066 Now what the hell are we gonna do about it? 337 00:20:26,867 --> 00:20:30,266 McNamara: Number 33, the North Vietnamese barracks at Dong Hoi 338 00:20:30,333 --> 00:20:32,500 just over the border in North Vietnam. 339 00:20:32,567 --> 00:20:34,166 About 6,000 troops based there. 340 00:20:34,233 --> 00:20:36,934 An isolated facility with minimal civilian support. 341 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:38,567 What are our expected casualties? 342 00:20:38,633 --> 00:20:41,100 3,600 troops, roughly 40 civilians. 343 00:20:41,166 --> 00:20:42,767 How'd you come up with these numbers? 344 00:20:42,834 --> 00:20:44,767 Wheeler: Sir, we take the approach, 345 00:20:44,834 --> 00:20:46,700 look at the blast pattern, 346 00:20:46,767 --> 00:20:49,200 the size of the blast, demographics. 347 00:20:49,266 --> 00:20:52,934 Mr. President, it's as sophisticated an analysis as I've seen, 348 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,400 unprecedented in aerial warfare. 349 00:20:55,467 --> 00:20:58,467 But Ho Chi Minh's not gonna turn tail overnight. 350 00:20:58,533 --> 00:21:01,867 Saigon's gonna take a shellacking for anything we do. 351 00:21:01,934 --> 00:21:03,834 And if they go in now, it'll be like sending in 352 00:21:03,900 --> 00:21:06,300 a widow woman to slap Jack Dempsey. 353 00:21:06,367 --> 00:21:09,033 Sir, we doubt Hanoi will slap back. 354 00:21:09,100 --> 00:21:10,567 Didn't MacArthur say the same thing 355 00:21:10,633 --> 00:21:13,633 when a million Chinese poured into Korea? 356 00:21:16,133 --> 00:21:18,834 What does State think of this? 357 00:21:18,900 --> 00:21:22,533 The risk of inaction means more aggression. 358 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:23,934 Ambassador Taylor concurs. 359 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,400 He's meeting with Saigon's leaders now. 360 00:21:26,467 --> 00:21:28,500 Should be calling the Situation Room momentarily. 361 00:21:28,567 --> 00:21:30,133 They'll put him through to me. 362 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:31,900 Mr. President, if I might. 363 00:21:31,967 --> 00:21:35,033 I was in charge of bombing surveys during World War II, 364 00:21:35,100 --> 00:21:37,166 and bombing never wins a war. 365 00:21:37,233 --> 00:21:40,467 Rather than erode the enemy's will, it strengthens it. 366 00:21:40,533 --> 00:21:43,633 We've seen this time and time again-- in the Blitz, Berlin. 367 00:21:43,700 --> 00:21:45,200 The Blitz in Berlin never would have happened 368 00:21:45,266 --> 00:21:47,533 if we didn't lay down to Hitler in Munich. 369 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,667 And if we lay down now, it'll be the same thing again-- 370 00:21:49,734 --> 00:21:52,467 an open invitation to more of their aggression. 371 00:21:52,533 --> 00:21:55,300 Mr. President, what we're proposing with Rolling Thunder 372 00:21:55,367 --> 00:21:58,266 is a strictly limited program of sustained retaliation, 373 00:21:58,333 --> 00:22:01,667 moving northward only if Vietcong activity persists. 374 00:22:01,734 --> 00:22:03,633 But it will persist, Bob. 375 00:22:03,700 --> 00:22:05,200 We'll be bombing their cities before we know it. 376 00:22:05,266 --> 00:22:08,500 Now, do we expect Russia to sit still for that? Or China? 377 00:22:08,567 --> 00:22:11,033 Comparisons with Korea 15 years ago 378 00:22:11,100 --> 00:22:12,967 are flimsy at best, Mr. President. 379 00:22:13,033 --> 00:22:16,066 Ball: You are absolutely right. China has atomic weapons now. 380 00:22:16,133 --> 00:22:17,667 They tested their first bomb four months ago. 381 00:22:17,734 --> 00:22:18,867 It was no dud. 382 00:22:18,934 --> 00:22:21,300 We have no idea what will set them off. 383 00:22:21,367 --> 00:22:23,767 I-I don't understand. 384 00:22:23,834 --> 00:22:25,166 Why is this? 385 00:22:25,233 --> 00:22:27,133 Man: North Vietnam has secret treaties 386 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,133 with the Chi-Coms, Mr. President. 387 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,633 We don't know what the flash points are in their intervention. 388 00:22:32,700 --> 00:22:35,433 We can take China out in 17 minutes. 389 00:22:35,500 --> 00:22:37,300 They'd be crazy to take us on. 390 00:22:37,367 --> 00:22:42,033 I agree, Bus, but why assume they're as rational as we are? 391 00:22:42,100 --> 00:22:45,767 Mr. President, 400 Americans have died in Vietnam. 392 00:22:45,834 --> 00:22:48,533 And now eight more in these atrocities. 393 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,300 There has to be a response to this aggression. 394 00:22:51,367 --> 00:22:52,800 Mr. President, the Air Force 395 00:22:52,867 --> 00:22:56,734 will be launching strikes from the Da Nang airfield, 396 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,500 and that base will become a more attractive target to the Vietcong. 397 00:22:59,567 --> 00:23:02,300 General Westmoreland is requesting a Hawk missile battalion. 398 00:23:02,367 --> 00:23:05,367 - Is he asking for troops? - No, no troops. 399 00:23:05,433 --> 00:23:08,033 Saigon will be responsible for base defense. 400 00:23:08,100 --> 00:23:11,200 But if the Vietcong activity intensifies 401 00:23:11,266 --> 00:23:13,266 despite these measures, they may need some help. 402 00:23:13,333 --> 00:23:15,367 But it will intensify, Bob. 403 00:23:15,433 --> 00:23:17,400 This is precisely my point, Mr. President. 404 00:23:19,700 --> 00:23:21,500 - Rusk: Yes? 405 00:23:21,567 --> 00:23:24,500 Woman on intercom: Mr. Secretary, Saigon. Ambassador Taylor. 406 00:23:24,567 --> 00:23:25,867 Put him through. 407 00:23:25,934 --> 00:23:29,400 Max, we're all here with the president. Go ahead. 408 00:23:29,467 --> 00:23:31,667 Taylor: Mr. President, gentlemen. 409 00:23:31,734 --> 00:23:35,000 Saigon has agreed to the commencement of air strikes. 410 00:23:35,066 --> 00:23:38,100 They say their army's ready for any counterattack from the north. 411 00:23:38,166 --> 00:23:40,333 All right, Max. Thank you. 412 00:23:44,900 --> 00:23:46,967 George... 413 00:23:47,033 --> 00:23:50,166 your concerns are mine as well, as you know. 414 00:23:50,233 --> 00:23:53,166 But we're nowhere near the point you suggest. 415 00:23:53,233 --> 00:23:55,000 Now, many here agree there's a good chance 416 00:23:55,066 --> 00:23:59,133 that Ho Chi Minh will quit if we start making him pay. 417 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,367 Now, is there anyone here who does not agree with this? 418 00:24:02,433 --> 00:24:03,967 I'm concerned about the press. 419 00:24:04,033 --> 00:24:06,066 They're gonna view this as a change in policy. 420 00:24:06,133 --> 00:24:07,767 There is no change in policy! 421 00:24:07,834 --> 00:24:10,867 But we haven't struck back since the Tonkin Gulf affair six months ago. 422 00:24:10,934 --> 00:24:13,467 That's right. That's why I asked Congress for the power. 423 00:24:13,533 --> 00:24:16,000 They gave me the power, and I'm using it. 424 00:24:16,066 --> 00:24:18,433 But we're taking it slow. 425 00:24:18,500 --> 00:24:21,567 I'm not going to Hanoi. 426 00:24:21,633 --> 00:24:26,400 And I'm signing off on every target. 427 00:24:26,467 --> 00:24:29,533 You're not gonna bomb the smallest outhouse without checking with me. 428 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,033 You understand, General? 429 00:24:31,100 --> 00:24:33,333 We understand, Mr. President. 430 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,600 All right, Bob. You better get going. 431 00:24:35,667 --> 00:24:38,800 Now, anything else? 432 00:24:47,533 --> 00:24:51,133 McNamara's voice: From Robert S. McNamara to Admiral U.S. Grant Sharp, 433 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,400 Commander of Pacific Forces, Honolulu. 434 00:24:54,467 --> 00:24:56,433 This is an execution order. 435 00:24:56,500 --> 00:25:00,233 During daylight hours, 7 February, 1965, Saigon time, 436 00:25:00,300 --> 00:25:03,400 conduct the following coordinated attack: 437 00:25:03,467 --> 00:25:06,633 Number 33, Dong Hoi barracks. 438 00:25:19,834 --> 00:25:22,567 - Good evening, Mr. President. - Planes back? 439 00:25:22,633 --> 00:25:24,734 Carriers weren't on station when the order went out, sir. 440 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:26,567 The operation has been delayed. 441 00:25:26,633 --> 00:25:28,533 - Delayed? - About 90 minutes, sir. 442 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,233 We should have word shortly. 443 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,367 Stand at ease. 444 00:26:00,233 --> 00:26:01,834 Well, what happened? 445 00:26:01,900 --> 00:26:03,333 It's monsoon season there, sir. 446 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,333 Well, are they going or aren't they going? 447 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,867 You find out what the hell's going on and you call me! 448 00:26:07,934 --> 00:26:09,467 Get the White House operator to put you through. 449 00:26:09,533 --> 00:26:12,533 - You want me to wake you, sir? - You won't wake me! 450 00:26:20,533 --> 00:26:23,800 - Why are you up? - Worried for you. 451 00:26:24,967 --> 00:26:28,600 Those planes should've been back hours ago. 452 00:26:28,667 --> 00:26:29,934 What's that? 453 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,233 It's a letter from a friend, complaining about junkyards. 454 00:26:35,767 --> 00:26:37,400 She says here, 455 00:26:37,467 --> 00:26:40,533 "They're all up and down the highway now. 456 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,600 Through Dallas to San Antone, Houston"-- 457 00:26:43,667 --> 00:26:46,567 Right on the highway, or away where people can't see? 458 00:26:46,633 --> 00:26:49,500 No, right along the road, defiling the countryside 459 00:26:49,567 --> 00:26:52,700 through Waxahachie and Hillboro 460 00:26:52,767 --> 00:26:55,533 and lovely San Marcos where you went to school. 461 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,567 Oh, love, don't. 462 00:26:58,633 --> 00:27:00,367 Love. 463 00:27:03,100 --> 00:27:04,700 Yes, Mr. President. 464 00:27:04,767 --> 00:27:07,133 What are you doing about junkyards on the highways? 465 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,000 - What? - Junkyards! 466 00:27:09,066 --> 00:27:11,166 Well, I'm sending something over to your office right now. 467 00:27:11,233 --> 00:27:12,967 You jump in your car in your jammies, 468 00:27:13,033 --> 00:27:15,133 you might even beat it. 469 00:27:16,066 --> 00:27:18,533 - Yes? 470 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,600 I spoke with Honolulu. They're cabling now. 471 00:27:21,667 --> 00:27:23,133 Planes are back. 472 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,166 The primary was hit. 473 00:27:25,233 --> 00:27:26,834 All the planes, they all get back? 474 00:27:26,900 --> 00:27:29,967 No, sir. I'm afraid we did lose one plane. 475 00:27:31,266 --> 00:27:34,133 - What about the pilot? - He went down at sea. 476 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,133 Search and rescue is looking for him now, 477 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,200 but I'm afraid it's not looking very good. 478 00:27:38,266 --> 00:27:39,734 I'm sorry, sir. 479 00:27:40,834 --> 00:27:42,500 All right. Thank you, Bob. 480 00:27:42,567 --> 00:27:44,767 Good night, Mr. President. 481 00:27:44,834 --> 00:27:46,567 Man: Yes, Mr. President? 482 00:27:48,567 --> 00:27:50,500 Lyndon. 483 00:27:51,567 --> 00:27:54,333 Oh, I'm-- I'm sorry. 484 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,333 Put this on Moyers' desk. 485 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,000 Yes, sir. 486 00:28:04,900 --> 00:28:06,900 Honey? 487 00:28:06,967 --> 00:28:09,066 We lost a pilot. 488 00:28:10,500 --> 00:28:13,700 Sweetheart. 489 00:28:13,767 --> 00:28:16,700 Oh, sweetheart. 490 00:28:16,767 --> 00:28:19,734 - Oh, I'm so sorry. - That's all right. 491 00:28:22,967 --> 00:28:27,000 This isn't about junkyards, is it? 492 00:28:27,066 --> 00:28:28,834 Shit, what time is it? 493 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,066 I told Sandra I'd be home before 1:00. 494 00:28:38,467 --> 00:28:40,400 She didn't call. 495 00:28:40,467 --> 00:28:42,567 That's not a good sign. 496 00:28:43,934 --> 00:28:46,567 Hmm. How about you? 497 00:28:46,633 --> 00:28:48,667 You coming or going? 498 00:28:48,734 --> 00:28:50,400 He wants company. 499 00:28:51,867 --> 00:28:55,600 We started bombing North Vietnam tonight. 500 00:28:55,667 --> 00:28:57,767 Christ. 501 00:28:59,166 --> 00:29:01,367 Are they talking about combat troops? 502 00:29:01,433 --> 00:29:05,934 No. Not yet, no. 503 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,867 Christ, I don't know what to tell the press. 504 00:29:09,934 --> 00:29:12,700 We are backing into a war here, for Christ's sake. 505 00:29:12,767 --> 00:29:15,734 And it's a war he campaigned against. 506 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,900 But now he talks like he's putting a paddle to Ho Chi Minh's behind. 507 00:29:19,967 --> 00:29:23,000 Well, Johnson's a deal-maker. 508 00:29:23,066 --> 00:29:25,033 He's the best politician this country's ever seen. 509 00:29:25,100 --> 00:29:27,734 He'll find a way out of this. 510 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,433 Sure. He'll just get old Uncle Ho down to the ranch, 511 00:29:31,500 --> 00:29:33,700 serve him up some tasty barbecue 512 00:29:33,767 --> 00:29:35,233 and then offer him a dam. 513 00:29:35,300 --> 00:29:36,667 Or a federal judgeship. 514 00:29:38,166 --> 00:29:40,600 - Hello, Mr. President. Ahem. - Good evening, Mr. President. 515 00:29:40,667 --> 00:29:43,567 Congratulations on getting that education bill out of committee. 516 00:29:43,633 --> 00:29:45,133 Well, it hasn't passed yet, has it? 517 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:46,667 I want all you up there on the Hill, 518 00:29:46,734 --> 00:29:49,400 day and night, getting me those yeas. 519 00:29:49,467 --> 00:29:51,834 What is this? Tapioca pudding? 520 00:29:51,900 --> 00:29:53,567 Yes, sir. 521 00:29:53,633 --> 00:29:54,867 Would you like it? 522 00:29:54,934 --> 00:29:58,133 Ah, now, voting rights. 523 00:29:58,200 --> 00:29:59,533 That's the meat in the coconut. 524 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,133 Where do we stand? 525 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,600 At last tally, we are short 50 congressmen. 526 00:30:04,667 --> 00:30:07,433 - But the Senate-- - Start with the House. Give me their names. 527 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,667 You want me to read the roll, Mr. President? 528 00:30:11,734 --> 00:30:13,433 All 435? 529 00:30:13,500 --> 00:30:15,700 From Abbitt of Virginia to Zablocki of Wisconsin. 530 00:30:15,767 --> 00:30:18,333 - Go. - Uh... 531 00:30:25,166 --> 00:30:27,200 Um... 532 00:30:28,834 --> 00:30:31,300 Abbitt, Virginia, nay. 533 00:30:31,367 --> 00:30:33,667 Abernethy, Mississippi, nay. 534 00:30:33,734 --> 00:30:36,533 Where do you think you're going? 535 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,266 Home. 536 00:30:38,333 --> 00:30:41,166 The hell you are. You're gonna relieve him when he gives out. 537 00:30:43,734 --> 00:30:46,300 Adair, Indiana, nay. 538 00:30:46,367 --> 00:30:48,233 Adams, Washington, yea. 539 00:30:48,300 --> 00:30:50,133 Addabbo, New York, yea. 540 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,266 Albert, Oklahoma, yea. 541 00:30:52,333 --> 00:30:54,367 Boys, it doesn't look like 542 00:30:54,433 --> 00:30:56,533 we're gonna be able to get voting rights through. 543 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,300 - Not this session. 544 00:30:58,367 --> 00:31:01,533 Well, I must say, I don't understand, Mr. President. 545 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,500 Only a month ago in your State of the Union message, you made it perfect-- 546 00:31:04,567 --> 00:31:08,100 Johnson: Reverend King, I have been to the well, 547 00:31:08,166 --> 00:31:11,000 and the well has provided. 548 00:31:11,066 --> 00:31:12,834 I got the votes on Medicare, 549 00:31:12,900 --> 00:31:14,333 aid to education-- 550 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,100 all these benefit the poor and disenfranchised, 551 00:31:17,166 --> 00:31:19,433 and you know who that is. 552 00:31:19,500 --> 00:31:21,000 Please don't misunderstand. 553 00:31:21,066 --> 00:31:22,600 We're very grateful, Mr. President. 554 00:31:22,667 --> 00:31:24,533 Attorney General Katzenbach here has written 555 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,834 a beautiful piece of legislation. 556 00:31:26,900 --> 00:31:30,767 You think I wanna carry that around in my ass pocket? 557 00:31:30,834 --> 00:31:32,967 You see, it's this-- 558 00:31:33,033 --> 00:31:36,667 this problem I got in Southeast Asia, 559 00:31:36,734 --> 00:31:38,000 the Vietnamese. 560 00:31:38,066 --> 00:31:39,433 To them Southerners up on the Hill, 561 00:31:39,500 --> 00:31:41,867 what are they but another bunch of colored people? 562 00:31:41,934 --> 00:31:47,100 And I go up there crawling for more aid, as I must for Vietnam. 563 00:31:47,166 --> 00:31:49,533 "Mr. President," old Wilbur Mills will say, 564 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,300 "you're gonna have to raise taxes, 565 00:31:51,367 --> 00:31:52,967 declare war, call up the reserves. 566 00:31:53,033 --> 00:31:56,700 And by the way, that's gonna cost you your War on Poverty, 567 00:31:56,767 --> 00:31:59,266 your voting rights for Negroes." 568 00:31:59,333 --> 00:32:02,166 Just like World War II killed the New Deal, 569 00:32:02,233 --> 00:32:06,133 well, there ain't gonna be World War III, I promise you. 570 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,433 I'm gonna nip this in the bud. I am. 571 00:32:09,500 --> 00:32:10,800 And as soon as I do, 572 00:32:10,867 --> 00:32:14,400 I'll send that bill up and more, I promise you. 573 00:32:14,467 --> 00:32:17,800 There will be no delay. 574 00:32:18,900 --> 00:32:20,734 Well, Mr. President, 575 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,166 we're going to be down in Selma, 576 00:32:23,233 --> 00:32:25,533 marching for the vote, 577 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,300 and we expect you'll take notice 578 00:32:27,367 --> 00:32:29,934 as to what we do down there. 579 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,333 Man on TV: During preparations for Martin Luther King's 580 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,367 second attempt to march to Montgomery, 581 00:32:34,433 --> 00:32:36,967 four white men beat to death a Boston clergyman, 582 00:32:37,033 --> 00:32:39,500 one of the 1,500 marchers. 583 00:32:39,567 --> 00:32:41,233 The slain reverend, James Reeb, 584 00:32:41,300 --> 00:32:43,734 had come to Selma in solidarity with Negroes 585 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,967 attempting to register to vote. 586 00:32:46,033 --> 00:32:47,533 - Uh-huh. - Amidst growing concern about increasing 587 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,500 racial violence in Alabama, 588 00:32:49,567 --> 00:32:51,967 Governor George Wallace is reportedly preparing a trip 589 00:32:52,033 --> 00:32:54,834 to Washington, DC, to see the president. 590 00:32:54,900 --> 00:32:59,200 Meanwhile, demonstrations continue in front of the White House. 591 00:32:59,266 --> 00:33:01,767 Protestors: We demand justice! 592 00:33:01,834 --> 00:33:03,567 Call them off! 593 00:33:03,633 --> 00:33:05,133 Well, we didn't organize it, Mr. President. 594 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:06,767 Call them off! Get out there, both of you! 595 00:33:06,834 --> 00:33:08,400 Call them off! 596 00:33:09,767 --> 00:33:12,700 - Daddy? - Why are you up? 597 00:33:12,767 --> 00:33:15,033 Those goddamn agitators wake you? 598 00:33:15,100 --> 00:33:16,967 No, I heard you yelling. 599 00:33:17,033 --> 00:33:18,367 Oh, sorry, honey. 600 00:33:18,433 --> 00:33:20,767 King on TV: ...how it can't be done. 601 00:33:20,834 --> 00:33:23,266 It's still strange to us, though, 602 00:33:23,333 --> 00:33:26,200 how millions of dollars can be spent every day 603 00:33:26,266 --> 00:33:28,867 to hold troops in South Vietnam, 604 00:33:28,934 --> 00:33:32,000 and our country cannot protect the rights of Negroes 605 00:33:32,066 --> 00:33:35,200 in Selma and Marion, Alabama. 606 00:33:35,266 --> 00:33:37,266 He's outrageous! 607 00:33:37,333 --> 00:33:39,934 Now, now, now! Everything's gotta be now! 608 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:44,467 What, they want the whole goddamn world with a fence around it? 609 00:33:44,533 --> 00:33:46,433 I just gave standby authorization 610 00:33:46,500 --> 00:33:47,834 to federalize the Alabama Guard. 611 00:33:47,900 --> 00:33:49,166 We just need your order. 612 00:33:49,233 --> 00:33:50,667 You have to do it, Mr. President. 613 00:33:50,734 --> 00:33:52,200 Wallace won't protect those marchers. 614 00:33:52,266 --> 00:33:54,000 You want me to send troops into Alabama? 615 00:33:54,066 --> 00:33:55,800 Lose Stennis, Dirksen, Russell, 616 00:33:55,867 --> 00:33:58,934 every conservative vote I got hanging on a thread of spittle? 617 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,233 It'll be Reconstruction all over again. 618 00:34:01,300 --> 00:34:06,133 Your friend Bobby Kennedy could have given me that advice! 619 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,600 Wallace on TV: Martin Luther King and his group of pro-Communists 620 00:34:09,667 --> 00:34:11,834 have instigated these demonstrations 621 00:34:11,900 --> 00:34:15,300 by lawless nigger mobs in Birmingham. 622 00:34:15,367 --> 00:34:18,133 But the law-abiding citizens of both races there 623 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,133 are fed up with this rioting and disruption 624 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,633 led by so-called clergymen 625 00:34:23,700 --> 00:34:26,133 and their Communist-inspired followers! 626 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:30,200 I am therefore sending 250 state troopers into that city, 627 00:34:30,266 --> 00:34:34,400 supported by 500 other law officers of this state. 628 00:34:34,467 --> 00:34:36,834 I will meet our enemies face-to-face. 629 00:34:36,900 --> 00:34:38,433 I will not surrender! 630 00:34:39,700 --> 00:34:41,367 Mr. President, Wallace is only coming up here 631 00:34:41,433 --> 00:34:42,500 in order to placate you. 632 00:34:42,567 --> 00:34:44,433 He wants things to get so bad down there 633 00:34:44,500 --> 00:34:46,200 that you have to put the troops in. 634 00:34:46,266 --> 00:34:48,300 Then he'll lambaste you for invading his sovereign state, 635 00:34:48,367 --> 00:34:49,567 and that's how he'll save himself. 636 00:34:49,633 --> 00:34:52,934 Goddamn runty little bastard! 637 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,266 I want his pecker in my pocket. 638 00:34:55,333 --> 00:34:59,200 The thing we have to do-- we have to get him to ask for the troops, 639 00:34:59,266 --> 00:35:01,233 to say he wants rights, he wants peace, 640 00:35:01,300 --> 00:35:03,233 but he just can't control his own people. 641 00:35:03,300 --> 00:35:04,934 Make it his failure. That's what we have to do. 642 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,200 Man on TV: In an interview today, Governor Wallace denies 643 00:35:07,266 --> 00:35:11,433 that Alabama state troopers and sheriff's deputies used unnecessary force 644 00:35:11,500 --> 00:35:13,900 in routing Negro marchers in Selma. 645 00:35:13,967 --> 00:35:15,934 Johnson: Call the speaker. 646 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,500 Tell him I want to address Congress 647 00:35:18,567 --> 00:35:20,767 on television. 648 00:35:20,834 --> 00:35:24,400 That goddamn bill is going up now. 649 00:35:24,467 --> 00:35:26,700 - Man: One more, Governor Wallace. 650 00:35:27,700 --> 00:35:30,000 A little closer. 651 00:35:30,066 --> 00:35:32,100 - Thank you. 652 00:35:32,166 --> 00:35:34,333 All right, thank you. Sit down, Governor. 653 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,333 Over here. That's it. 654 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,266 Over there-- whoa, right in the corner. 655 00:35:38,333 --> 00:35:40,567 The corner, Governor. That's it. 656 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,500 Now, Governor, you wanted to see me? 657 00:35:44,567 --> 00:35:46,233 Uh, yes, Mr. President. 658 00:35:46,300 --> 00:35:48,433 I want to thank you for agreeing to see me-- 659 00:35:48,500 --> 00:35:50,567 - Goddamn demonstrators! 660 00:35:50,633 --> 00:35:53,200 Keeping Lady Bird up, disturbing my daughters' rest. 661 00:35:53,266 --> 00:35:55,200 Turn that thing off! 662 00:35:55,266 --> 00:35:57,400 Subversives, most of em. 663 00:35:57,467 --> 00:35:59,800 - Communist Party's behind the whole thing. - You know what I'd do? 664 00:35:59,867 --> 00:36:01,400 I'd send some of them Secret Service boys 665 00:36:01,467 --> 00:36:02,900 out there with itching powder. 666 00:36:02,967 --> 00:36:05,066 Ha! Sprinkle it on the back of some of their necks. 667 00:36:05,133 --> 00:36:06,834 They'd drop them signs they're carrying, 668 00:36:06,900 --> 00:36:08,433 scratch themselves raw. 669 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:11,934 That's a great idea. 670 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:13,967 I'm gonna get my people on that. 671 00:36:14,033 --> 00:36:16,567 Better than that, Governor, we ought to go out there. 672 00:36:16,633 --> 00:36:18,300 We got all of those television cameras. 673 00:36:18,367 --> 00:36:20,600 You see those television cameras they've got out there? 674 00:36:20,667 --> 00:36:22,000 Yes, sir. 675 00:36:22,066 --> 00:36:24,600 Why don't we go out there and we turn them cameras around, 676 00:36:24,667 --> 00:36:26,033 and we'll announce that you decided 677 00:36:26,100 --> 00:36:28,500 to register every Negro in Alabama? 678 00:36:30,133 --> 00:36:31,533 Mr. President, as much as I'd-- 679 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,333 Nick, give me one of them there Constitutions. 680 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:34,533 Yes, sir. 681 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,934 Nick's got the Constitutions. 682 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,367 Hey, thank you, Nick. 683 00:36:39,433 --> 00:36:41,467 Now, Governor, 684 00:36:41,533 --> 00:36:44,166 I'm sure that somewhere in here 685 00:36:44,233 --> 00:36:47,166 it says that Negroes have the right to vote. 686 00:36:48,100 --> 00:36:50,133 Uh, yes, Mr. President, 687 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,467 and-- and they have the right to vote in Alabama. 688 00:36:53,533 --> 00:36:56,100 But it's the county registrars. 689 00:36:56,166 --> 00:36:58,500 They-- they-- under Alabama law, 690 00:36:58,567 --> 00:37:01,133 they independent, and I don't have the power. 691 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:02,834 George. 692 00:37:02,900 --> 00:37:07,700 Now don't you shit me about who's got the power in Alabama. 693 00:37:08,967 --> 00:37:11,467 - Well, Mr. President-- - Now come on, Governor. 694 00:37:11,533 --> 00:37:13,133 You're a persuasive man. 695 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,467 Hell, I was watching you this morning on all three networks. 696 00:37:16,533 --> 00:37:18,133 You were attacking me. 697 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,066 I wasn't attacking you, Mr. President. 698 00:37:20,133 --> 00:37:23,166 - I was attacking the idea-- - Idea. Hell, you were attacking me, George. 699 00:37:23,233 --> 00:37:27,500 And I'll tell ya, you're so damn persuasive, I nearly changed my mind. 700 00:37:29,467 --> 00:37:32,400 You have marvelous powers of persuasion, 701 00:37:32,467 --> 00:37:35,033 don't you, Governor? 702 00:37:35,100 --> 00:37:37,266 Governor Wallace, 703 00:37:37,333 --> 00:37:39,433 you and I shouldn't be sitting here 704 00:37:39,500 --> 00:37:42,333 thinking about 1965. 705 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,033 We ought to be thinking about 1995, 706 00:37:45,100 --> 00:37:47,934 when you and I will be long in our graves. 707 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,300 Now, you've got a lot of poor people down there in Alabama, 708 00:37:50,367 --> 00:37:51,633 a lot of ignorant people. 709 00:37:51,700 --> 00:37:54,533 People who need jobs, people who need a future. 710 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,033 You can do a lot for 'em. 711 00:37:57,100 --> 00:38:00,867 In 1995, Governor, what do you want left behind? 712 00:38:00,934 --> 00:38:03,700 You want a great big marble monument saying 713 00:38:03,767 --> 00:38:05,734 "George Wallace, he built, 714 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,233 he protected the weak, the poor, 715 00:38:08,300 --> 00:38:12,333 the impoverished people of this great state"? 716 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,166 Or do you want a little piece of scrawny pine 717 00:38:15,233 --> 00:38:20,266 laying there in the harsh, caliche soil saying 718 00:38:20,333 --> 00:38:24,867 "George Wallace, he hated"? 719 00:38:32,033 --> 00:38:34,400 I'm sorry, Governor. 720 00:38:34,467 --> 00:38:37,000 I interrupted you. 721 00:38:37,066 --> 00:38:38,900 Now, you wanted to tell me something? 722 00:38:41,934 --> 00:38:45,700 Mr. President, I, uh-- 723 00:38:45,767 --> 00:38:50,633 I've had the opportunity to reevaluate. 724 00:38:52,767 --> 00:38:56,000 And, uh, I think that... 725 00:38:57,367 --> 00:39:00,066 I just may not be able to get things under control 726 00:39:00,133 --> 00:39:04,767 without some... assistance. 727 00:39:04,834 --> 00:39:08,266 Governor, I'll give you any assistance 728 00:39:08,333 --> 00:39:10,400 that's mine to provide. 729 00:39:10,467 --> 00:39:14,633 Now, what specific measures would you suggest? 730 00:39:14,700 --> 00:39:17,533 The president and I have spoken, 731 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:22,734 and I have assured him that I abhor brutality. 732 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,500 And in my eternal commitment to law and order, 733 00:39:25,567 --> 00:39:28,800 I will do whatever it takes 734 00:39:28,867 --> 00:39:31,600 to maintain the peace. 735 00:39:39,767 --> 00:39:42,300 Man: Mr. Speaker, 736 00:39:42,367 --> 00:39:45,767 the President of the United States! 737 00:40:31,033 --> 00:40:36,066 I speak tonight for the dignity of men 738 00:40:36,133 --> 00:40:38,567 and the destiny of democracy. 739 00:40:40,233 --> 00:40:43,633 There is no Negro problem. 740 00:40:43,700 --> 00:40:46,600 There is no southern problem. 741 00:40:46,667 --> 00:40:50,700 There is no northern problem. 742 00:40:50,767 --> 00:40:54,000 There is only an American problem. 743 00:41:01,166 --> 00:41:03,567 There is no cause for pride 744 00:41:03,633 --> 00:41:05,967 in what has happened in Selma. 745 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,266 The cries of pain 746 00:41:09,333 --> 00:41:13,133 and the hymns and protests of oppressed people 747 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,367 have summoned into convocation 748 00:41:15,433 --> 00:41:18,500 all the majesty of this great government. 749 00:41:18,567 --> 00:41:23,133 Our mission is at once the oldest 750 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:27,300 and most basic of this country-- 751 00:41:27,367 --> 00:41:31,567 to right wrong, to do justice, 752 00:41:31,633 --> 00:41:33,834 to serve man. 753 00:41:46,033 --> 00:41:50,233 This Wednesday, I will send you a law 754 00:41:50,300 --> 00:41:53,533 which will eliminate illegal barriers 755 00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,834 to the most basic American right-- 756 00:41:56,900 --> 00:42:00,266 the right to vote. 757 00:42:00,333 --> 00:42:02,934 Many of the issues of civil rights 758 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,667 are very complex and most difficult. 759 00:42:06,734 --> 00:42:10,700 About this, there can and should be no argument, 760 00:42:10,767 --> 00:42:13,567 for outside this chamber 761 00:42:13,633 --> 00:42:17,500 is the outraged conscience of a nation 762 00:42:17,567 --> 00:42:20,767 and the harsh judgment of history. 763 00:42:20,834 --> 00:42:23,567 The cause of the American Negro 764 00:42:23,633 --> 00:42:25,667 to secure for himself 765 00:42:25,734 --> 00:42:28,533 the full blessings of American life 766 00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,467 must be our cause. 767 00:42:39,500 --> 00:42:42,000 Because, really, 768 00:42:42,066 --> 00:42:46,467 it is all of us who must overcome 769 00:42:46,533 --> 00:42:52,300 the crippling legacy of bigotry and injustice. 770 00:42:52,367 --> 00:42:55,533 And we shall overcome. 771 00:43:44,700 --> 00:43:47,667 Dick, 93 million on TV. It's a record. 772 00:43:47,734 --> 00:43:49,734 - Congratulations, Dick. - Thanks. 773 00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,567 Johnson: Hey, Dick! Dick! Oh, come over here. 774 00:43:51,633 --> 00:43:53,033 Switchboard is jammed. 775 00:43:53,100 --> 00:43:55,500 Haven't had this many calls since the Cuban Missile Crisis. 776 00:43:55,567 --> 00:43:57,633 Huh, good to know they don't only call to complain. 777 00:43:57,700 --> 00:44:00,100 - Hey, Dick, sit down, sit down. 778 00:44:00,166 --> 00:44:01,633 That was old Dick Russell. 779 00:44:01,700 --> 00:44:03,834 Says I'm a low-down cur and a turncoat, 780 00:44:03,900 --> 00:44:05,867 but he wants me to know that's the best speech 781 00:44:05,934 --> 00:44:07,700 he ever saw any president give, 782 00:44:07,767 --> 00:44:09,934 and that goes back to Lincoln! 783 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:11,367 Mr. President, Dr. King. 784 00:44:11,433 --> 00:44:13,767 Oh, Dr.-- oh, Reverend King. 785 00:44:13,834 --> 00:44:16,066 That's kind of you to call. 786 00:44:16,133 --> 00:44:17,767 Did you know I was on TV tonight? 787 00:44:19,567 --> 00:44:22,033 Oh. Oh, you saw it. Yeah, mm-hmm. 788 00:44:22,100 --> 00:44:24,700 Okay, good. All right. 789 00:44:24,767 --> 00:44:27,367 All right. Yeah. Bye. 790 00:44:27,433 --> 00:44:29,133 You've got Arthur Krim on line three, sir. 791 00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:30,667 Oh, no, no. Not-- no, I can't-- 792 00:44:30,734 --> 00:44:32,934 - No, no. No. - Sir. 793 00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,567 You know, boys, 794 00:44:35,633 --> 00:44:38,033 I'm reminded tonight 795 00:44:38,100 --> 00:44:40,367 of Texas Hill Country in the spring. 796 00:44:40,433 --> 00:44:42,767 Oh, Lyndon, your guests are far too weary 797 00:44:42,834 --> 00:44:44,433 to appreciate your poetry. 798 00:44:44,500 --> 00:44:47,266 Now let me tell you boys about the Hill Country in the spring. 799 00:44:47,333 --> 00:44:50,767 - ( chuckles ) Good night! - You see-- oh, no. 800 00:44:50,834 --> 00:44:53,400 - Good night, all. - Good night, Mrs. Johnson. 801 00:44:53,467 --> 00:44:55,900 - Good night. Luci. - Now, in the spring-- 802 00:44:55,967 --> 00:44:59,066 Luci, come with me. 803 00:44:59,133 --> 00:45:01,734 - Good night. - Good night. 804 00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,266 - Good night, Mrs. Johnson. - Good night. 805 00:45:06,433 --> 00:45:08,433 In the spring, 806 00:45:08,500 --> 00:45:10,333 in the Hill Country, 807 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:14,800 the sun is up earlier and the ground gets warmer, 808 00:45:14,867 --> 00:45:17,600 and you can see the steam rising 809 00:45:17,667 --> 00:45:20,000 and the sap dripping. 810 00:45:20,066 --> 00:45:24,467 And in his pen, there's my prize bull. 811 00:45:24,533 --> 00:45:27,233 Now, he is the biggest... 812 00:45:31,100 --> 00:45:35,300 ...best-hung bull in Hill Country. 813 00:45:35,367 --> 00:45:37,400 Well, in the spring, 814 00:45:37,467 --> 00:45:40,266 that bull gets a hankering for them cows, 815 00:45:40,333 --> 00:45:42,767 and he starts pawing the ground 816 00:45:42,834 --> 00:45:44,433 and getting restless. 817 00:45:44,500 --> 00:45:47,133 So I open up the pen, 818 00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,300 and he goes down the hill 819 00:45:49,367 --> 00:45:53,967 with his pecker hanging hard and swinging. 820 00:45:55,133 --> 00:45:58,900 Well, those cows get so goddamn excited, 821 00:45:58,967 --> 00:46:03,133 they get more and more moist to receive him, 822 00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,100 and their asses just start quivering. 823 00:46:07,967 --> 00:46:10,900 They start quivering over-- every one of 'em is quivering! 824 00:46:12,467 --> 00:46:16,400 And as that bull struts into their pasture-- whoa! 825 00:46:16,467 --> 00:46:20,233 Boys, ha ha, we had 'em quivering tonight! 826 00:46:28,433 --> 00:46:31,700 Man on TV: Arriving in naval transports, United States Marines 827 00:46:31,767 --> 00:46:34,800 storm the beach in Da Nang, Vietnam, in full battle gear. 828 00:46:34,867 --> 00:46:37,100 These are the first U.S. ground troops 829 00:46:37,166 --> 00:46:40,033 to step foot on Asian soil since the Korean War. 830 00:46:40,100 --> 00:46:42,867 They were greeted by some lovely local ladies. 831 00:46:42,934 --> 00:46:46,033 The Pentagon says that their mission is a defensive one-- 832 00:46:46,100 --> 00:46:48,100 to protect the U.S. air base from enemy attack 833 00:46:48,166 --> 00:46:51,166 so Operation Rolling Thunder can roll on. 834 00:46:51,233 --> 00:46:54,200 Speaking with reporters, President Johnson emphasized 835 00:46:54,266 --> 00:46:56,767 that these 3,500 Marines will free up 836 00:46:56,834 --> 00:46:59,400 the South Vietnamese troops now guarding the base 837 00:46:59,467 --> 00:47:01,934 to go out and fight Vietcong. 838 00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,934 Reports from the field, however, indicate that Saigon forces 839 00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,467 may be no match for full Vietcong regiments. 840 00:47:07,533 --> 00:47:11,066 Recently, in one of the heaviest attacks of the war so far, 841 00:47:11,133 --> 00:47:13,700 the Vietcong inflicted major casualties 842 00:47:13,767 --> 00:47:15,200 in Quang Nam Province. 843 00:47:15,266 --> 00:47:18,600 Unofficial sources say that many South Vietnamese army units 844 00:47:18,667 --> 00:47:20,533 are near collapse. 845 00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,934 - Oh, my, oh, my. 846 00:47:26,266 --> 00:47:28,266 - Mr. President. - Mr. President. 847 00:47:28,333 --> 00:47:30,166 No, no, sit down. Sit down, boys. 848 00:47:30,233 --> 00:47:33,734 I heard you fellas were talking over dinner. 849 00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,033 - Can I get you a plate of food, Mr. President? - No, thank you. 850 00:47:36,100 --> 00:47:37,834 - A drink? - No. 851 00:47:42,433 --> 00:47:43,800 Why? 852 00:47:43,867 --> 00:47:46,266 Why do they want war with us? 853 00:47:46,333 --> 00:47:49,200 To Ho Chi Minh and the North Vietnamese, 854 00:47:49,266 --> 00:47:52,100 this is just a continuation of the war with the French 855 00:47:52,166 --> 00:47:54,200 and the Japanese and the Chinese 856 00:47:54,266 --> 00:47:55,867 a thousand years before that. 857 00:47:55,934 --> 00:47:57,567 We never should have allowed the French 858 00:47:57,633 --> 00:47:59,767 to reclaim their colonies in '45, 859 00:47:59,834 --> 00:48:02,667 but we needed them allied with us against the Soviets, 860 00:48:02,734 --> 00:48:05,333 and that was their price. 861 00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,967 Will we end up like the French? 862 00:48:08,033 --> 00:48:09,333 A great power cutting and running 863 00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,533 from a bunch of little men in black pajamas, 864 00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,767 tucking our tail in defeat? 865 00:48:14,834 --> 00:48:16,934 France didn't have the firepower we have. 866 00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,800 But the bombing seems to have no effect. 867 00:48:19,867 --> 00:48:21,367 Well, it appears now that it won't stop them, 868 00:48:21,433 --> 00:48:23,934 but it has slowed down their resupply. 869 00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,133 Hanoi's starting to send down large units, 870 00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:29,500 and the more of their men we can tie up with repairing roads and bridges, 871 00:48:29,567 --> 00:48:32,567 the fewer they can spare to fight the south. 872 00:48:34,867 --> 00:48:37,533 What do we have there now? 873 00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,467 Well, we've got the 3rd Marines at Da Nang, 874 00:48:40,533 --> 00:48:44,200 Phu Bai, Chu Lai, the 173rd Airborne at Vung Tau 875 00:48:44,266 --> 00:48:47,066 for base defense and support of the South Vietnamese units. 876 00:48:47,133 --> 00:48:48,467 13 battalions in all. 877 00:48:48,533 --> 00:48:51,867 Never mind battalions. How many boys? 878 00:48:51,934 --> 00:48:54,166 51,000 troops, Mr. President. 879 00:48:54,233 --> 00:48:56,333 And Westmoreland wants how many? 880 00:49:03,734 --> 00:49:05,700 184,000. 881 00:49:07,033 --> 00:49:08,900 And the authority to launch offensive operations 882 00:49:08,967 --> 00:49:10,834 under his own command. 883 00:49:14,633 --> 00:49:17,200 The South Vietnamese are useless, Mr. President. 884 00:49:17,266 --> 00:49:19,066 They've lost four battalions in the last month. 885 00:49:19,133 --> 00:49:20,867 Desertions are at record levels. 886 00:49:20,934 --> 00:49:22,333 They're losing, and they're losing fast. 887 00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:23,700 I know they're losing! 888 00:49:23,767 --> 00:49:26,633 I don't need a Phi Beta Kappa key to know they're losing! 889 00:49:26,700 --> 00:49:28,834 Anyone smart enough to pour piss out of a boot 890 00:49:28,900 --> 00:49:30,600 knows they're losing! 891 00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,667 How many casualties you think we'll take? 892 00:49:44,133 --> 00:49:46,700 We could reach 500 a month by the end of the year 893 00:49:46,767 --> 00:49:49,600 if Hanoi hasn't quit by then. 894 00:49:49,667 --> 00:49:52,100 500 a month? 895 00:49:53,533 --> 00:49:55,734 You tell Westmoreland he's got the authority. 896 00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:57,667 Tell him to get out there and kill Vietcong. 897 00:49:57,734 --> 00:50:00,200 Do whatever he has to do to hold them off. 898 00:50:00,266 --> 00:50:01,934 Then you and Wheeler go and see him 899 00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,367 and nail him down on what he needs to get this thing over with. 900 00:50:05,433 --> 00:50:08,633 Then damn it, let's get it over with! 901 00:50:13,700 --> 00:50:15,633 Kid was setting fuses on the goddamn bridge. 902 00:50:15,700 --> 00:50:17,166 Do you believe it? 903 00:50:17,233 --> 00:50:18,734 I was five minutes away. 904 00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,967 And that potshot, last time I was here, he missed me by a mile. 905 00:50:22,033 --> 00:50:25,900 Jesus, you'd think they'd put their best sniper on the job. 906 00:50:25,967 --> 00:50:27,233 I wish I could tell you 907 00:50:27,300 --> 00:50:30,066 they were representative of the enemy, Mr. Secretary. 908 00:50:33,100 --> 00:50:36,667 My strategy for the war is divided into three phases. 909 00:50:36,734 --> 00:50:38,533 In Phase One, 910 00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:42,266 employing the 184,000-man level now being considered, 911 00:50:42,333 --> 00:50:46,467 we would halt the losing trend by the end of 1965. 912 00:50:46,533 --> 00:50:47,900 In Phase Two, 913 00:50:47,967 --> 00:50:51,767 for which an additional 100,000 troops would be needed, 914 00:50:51,834 --> 00:50:56,767 allied forces would gain the initiative by June 30, 1966. 915 00:50:56,834 --> 00:50:59,900 Pacification activities would be expanded, 916 00:50:59,967 --> 00:51:03,066 aimed at winning the hearts and minds 917 00:51:03,133 --> 00:51:05,900 of South Vietnamese peasantry. 918 00:51:05,967 --> 00:51:08,700 If the Communists do not then give up, 919 00:51:08,767 --> 00:51:11,166 Phase Three of our strategy would kick in, 920 00:51:11,233 --> 00:51:15,567 the win phase, which would begin on July 1st, 1966, 921 00:51:15,633 --> 00:51:19,900 and conclude by December 31st, 1967-- 922 00:51:19,967 --> 00:51:23,900 the defeat of remaining enemy forces and base areas. 923 00:51:23,967 --> 00:51:27,600 Additional reinforcements will be needed for this phase, 924 00:51:27,667 --> 00:51:32,567 following which allied forces will begin to be withdrawn. 925 00:51:32,633 --> 00:51:34,867 General, that's a marvelous plan, 926 00:51:34,934 --> 00:51:38,100 but excessively abstract. 927 00:51:38,166 --> 00:51:39,834 I want to see your numbers. 928 00:51:39,900 --> 00:51:42,667 I want to see the percentage of the country you now control 929 00:51:42,734 --> 00:51:44,467 and the percentage you intend to control 930 00:51:44,533 --> 00:51:47,033 with these 200,000 additional men. 931 00:51:47,100 --> 00:51:49,934 I want to see rates of infiltration and interdiction, 932 00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,734 force ratios in each of the tactical corps zones 933 00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,066 and enemy casualties in battles fought 934 00:51:55,133 --> 00:51:58,867 and in projected battles against these added forces. 935 00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,233 Woman on phone: Mr. Clifford? The president on line one. 936 00:52:21,300 --> 00:52:24,734 Old friend, I need you here. 937 00:52:33,033 --> 00:52:36,033 Ball: Whatever resources are lost through bombing or capture, 938 00:52:36,100 --> 00:52:37,800 China and Russia will make up with resupply, 939 00:52:37,867 --> 00:52:41,100 encouraging a friendly game of "I'm more revolutionary than thou." 940 00:52:41,166 --> 00:52:44,533 Our intervention will give them a cause over which to unite 941 00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:46,734 when it is in our interest to deepen the breach between them. 942 00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:48,767 But wouldn't we lose credibility throughout the world 943 00:52:48,834 --> 00:52:50,100 if we give up as you propose? 944 00:52:50,166 --> 00:52:52,667 Wouldn't this be an irreparable blow, George? 945 00:52:52,734 --> 00:52:54,066 A worse blow, Mr. President, 946 00:52:54,133 --> 00:52:55,834 would be that the mightiest power in the world 947 00:52:55,900 --> 00:52:58,100 is unable to defeat one of the most backward. 948 00:52:58,166 --> 00:53:00,667 With the 71 battalions, with Westy's plan, 949 00:53:00,734 --> 00:53:02,200 this war is winnable. 950 00:53:02,266 --> 00:53:04,233 I say we go in and we get the job done. 951 00:53:04,300 --> 00:53:05,934 But can we get the job done? 952 00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,867 What if they put their stack in? 953 00:53:08,934 --> 00:53:11,600 What makes you think if we put in the numbers you're suggesting 954 00:53:11,667 --> 00:53:13,934 that Ho Chi Minh won't match us man for man? 955 00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,867 This means greater bodies of men, Mr. President, 956 00:53:16,934 --> 00:53:18,600 which will allow us to cream them. 957 00:53:18,667 --> 00:53:20,633 Their firepower against ours. 958 00:53:20,700 --> 00:53:23,266 Why does anyone think that they will accommodate us 959 00:53:23,333 --> 00:53:24,834 by fighting our kind of war? 960 00:53:24,900 --> 00:53:27,333 Their tactics are terror and sniping. 961 00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,600 They have better access to intelligence. 962 00:53:29,667 --> 00:53:31,233 Why is this? 963 00:53:31,300 --> 00:53:33,100 It's because the South Vietnamese government 964 00:53:33,166 --> 00:53:37,333 is heavily infiltrated with Vietcong agents, Mr. President. 965 00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,500 What other road can we go? 966 00:53:39,567 --> 00:53:41,300 Negotiations, stopping the bombing? 967 00:53:41,367 --> 00:53:44,467 These make us look weak, with cup in hand. 968 00:53:44,533 --> 00:53:47,033 Better to lose now than after committing 200,000 men. 969 00:53:47,100 --> 00:53:48,300 I disagree. 970 00:53:48,367 --> 00:53:50,200 We have to make a stand here. 971 00:53:50,266 --> 00:53:52,934 And if we fail, it could be chalked up to any number of things. 972 00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,133 Corruption amongst Saigon's leaders, for instance. 973 00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:56,600 Then we can get out. 974 00:53:56,667 --> 00:53:58,834 But this government will have stood up to the Communists. 975 00:53:58,900 --> 00:54:00,734 But we won't get out, Bob. 976 00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:03,734 We will double our bets and get massacred in the rice paddies. 977 00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:05,900 So-- so what's your advice, George? 978 00:54:05,967 --> 00:54:07,633 Cut and run? 979 00:54:08,867 --> 00:54:10,533 Mr. President... 980 00:54:12,066 --> 00:54:13,767 no great captain in history 981 00:54:13,834 --> 00:54:16,333 ever hesitated to make a tactical withdrawal 982 00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:18,834 when conditions were unfavorable to him. 983 00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:26,100 Does anyone else here agree with what George is saying? 984 00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:33,600 I've asked Clark Clifford to join us. 985 00:54:33,667 --> 00:54:37,400 Clark, do you have any comments at this time? 986 00:54:39,166 --> 00:54:42,266 I-- I have a question for General Wheeler. 987 00:54:42,333 --> 00:54:43,567 Wheeler: Yes, sir. 988 00:54:43,633 --> 00:54:46,300 - Good morning, General. - Good morning. 989 00:54:46,367 --> 00:54:49,967 If the president proceeds with this plan, 990 00:54:50,033 --> 00:54:54,033 what, in your view, would constitute a victory? 991 00:54:54,100 --> 00:54:57,300 Wheeler: What is the definition of victory in this contest? 992 00:54:57,367 --> 00:54:59,033 Yes. 993 00:54:59,100 --> 00:55:01,700 A military victory in the traditional sense 994 00:55:01,767 --> 00:55:04,166 is not what we are seeking. 995 00:55:04,233 --> 00:55:06,867 To eliminate every last Vietcong guerilla 996 00:55:06,934 --> 00:55:10,333 could require as many as half a million men 997 00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:12,100 and five years-- 998 00:55:12,166 --> 00:55:15,433 No one's considering those kind of numbers, no one. 999 00:55:15,500 --> 00:55:18,900 Wheeler: Our objective is to reach a stalemate 1000 00:55:18,967 --> 00:55:21,266 whereby we are attriting the enemy 1001 00:55:21,333 --> 00:55:24,767 faster than he can replace his losses. 1002 00:55:24,834 --> 00:55:27,767 This is the so-called crossover point. 1003 00:55:27,834 --> 00:55:29,500 And how many men will this require? 1004 00:55:29,567 --> 00:55:31,967 Wheeler: A substantially smaller number, 1005 00:55:32,033 --> 00:55:36,200 depending on how the North Vietnamese respond. 1006 00:55:36,266 --> 00:55:39,467 Well, might they respond by sending in, say, 1007 00:55:39,533 --> 00:55:41,633 100,000 troops? 1008 00:55:41,700 --> 00:55:44,033 Wheeler: We regard this as unlikely. 1009 00:55:44,100 --> 00:55:47,166 Clifford: Well, this is less than half the men they have under arms. 1010 00:55:47,233 --> 00:55:48,600 Wheeler: Well, it's certainly possible. 1011 00:55:48,667 --> 00:55:50,867 They already have 50,000 men down there. 1012 00:55:50,934 --> 00:55:53,734 Clifford: And to achieve the ten-to-one superiority, 1013 00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:55,834 which I understand is barely adequate 1014 00:55:55,900 --> 00:55:59,900 for conventional forces in a guerilla situation, 1015 00:55:59,967 --> 00:56:02,233 how many troops would be required 1016 00:56:02,300 --> 00:56:04,133 to meet this possible threat? 1017 00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,767 As I said, this would be unlikely. 1018 00:56:07,834 --> 00:56:10,934 One million troops, is that not correct, General? 1019 00:56:12,033 --> 00:56:14,133 You see? 1020 00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:19,934 We would need one million men in Vietnam. 1021 00:56:27,433 --> 00:56:29,800 Excuse me. Clark. 1022 00:56:29,867 --> 00:56:31,433 I can't tell you how grateful I am 1023 00:56:31,500 --> 00:56:33,467 to finally have an ally at the barricades. 1024 00:56:33,533 --> 00:56:36,400 Well, it's just what makes sense, George. 1025 00:56:36,467 --> 00:56:39,433 Not to Bob McNamara, but to me. 1026 00:56:39,500 --> 00:56:43,567 A million men was straight out of your memo of October last year. 1027 00:56:43,633 --> 00:56:46,500 An impressively persuasive document, in my opinion. 1028 00:56:46,567 --> 00:56:48,567 - All 67 pages of it? - Well... 1029 00:56:48,633 --> 00:56:51,400 I haven't shown much restraint on the subject, it's true. 1030 00:56:51,467 --> 00:56:53,900 If he brought you in, it must be because I'm like 1031 00:56:53,967 --> 00:56:56,433 an old broken record now. 1032 00:56:56,500 --> 00:56:58,200 Well, then there'd be two of us. 1033 00:56:58,266 --> 00:57:00,800 Scratchy and irritating as hell. 1034 00:57:00,867 --> 00:57:02,533 Good day, George. 1035 00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:04,233 Yeah? 1036 00:57:04,300 --> 00:57:06,633 The VISTA volunteers are here for the pictures, Mr. President. 1037 00:57:06,700 --> 00:57:08,166 Tell 'em I'll be out in a minute. 1038 00:57:08,233 --> 00:57:11,734 And tell Valenti I wanna see him right after. 1039 00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,633 I called Marge as soon as I heard you were safe. 1040 00:57:14,700 --> 00:57:16,233 Cowards. 1041 00:57:16,300 --> 00:57:18,133 I really appreciated that. She was pretty shaken up. 1042 00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:19,834 - Well... - She hates when I go over there. 1043 00:57:19,900 --> 00:57:21,734 Well, I hate sending you. 1044 00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:23,900 The whole thing stinks to high heaven. 1045 00:57:23,967 --> 00:57:27,900 What did you want to tell me in private? 1046 00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:33,667 I've managed to keep these Vietnam expenditures 1047 00:57:33,734 --> 00:57:35,233 under wraps as you requested, 1048 00:57:35,300 --> 00:57:37,300 but if you decide to move forward with this, 1049 00:57:37,367 --> 00:57:40,734 it's going to be impossible to keep up the guise indefinitely, 1050 00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:44,033 and I strongly believe you should present this bill to the American people. 1051 00:57:44,100 --> 00:57:45,400 No, absolutely not. 1052 00:57:45,467 --> 00:57:49,066 Mr. President, I can't continue to hide these kinds of figures. 1053 00:57:49,133 --> 00:57:51,900 Phase One of Westmoreland's program alone 1054 00:57:51,967 --> 00:57:54,500 is going to run us $12 billion. 1055 00:57:54,567 --> 00:57:57,500 12 billion? 1056 00:57:57,567 --> 00:58:00,200 I can't ask Congress for $12 billion! 1057 00:58:00,266 --> 00:58:03,367 - Mr. President-- - Bob, it'll be unshirted hell if I go to the Hill 1058 00:58:03,433 --> 00:58:05,133 asking for that kind of money. 1059 00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:07,233 I'll never get another thing out of 'em again. 1060 00:58:07,300 --> 00:58:10,567 Now, how much can you trim off that? 1061 00:58:10,633 --> 00:58:13,834 Bob, I've got my ox in a ditch here. 1062 00:58:13,900 --> 00:58:16,834 Now, what can you do for me? 1063 00:58:16,900 --> 00:58:20,467 If we continue to use the maximum transfer authority from other areas, 1064 00:58:20,533 --> 00:58:22,033 I could probably cut these figures in half, 1065 00:58:22,100 --> 00:58:23,633 but we'd still need a big appropriation 1066 00:58:23,700 --> 00:58:26,133 to carry us through this year. 1067 00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:28,233 But Westmoreland says if we put the men in, 1068 00:58:28,300 --> 00:58:30,266 there's a chance they'll quit by year's end, right? 1069 00:58:30,333 --> 00:58:31,700 Well, that's certainly what we all hope, 1070 00:58:31,767 --> 00:58:33,066 but we can't count on West-- 1071 00:58:33,133 --> 00:58:34,934 Just do the number counting, will you, Bob? 1072 00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:37,467 Yeah. Get it as low as you can. 1073 00:58:39,433 --> 00:58:41,533 One more. 1074 00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:47,900 All right. All right. Thank you, thank you. 1075 00:58:49,834 --> 00:58:51,700 Jack, I need a statement for next week. 1076 00:58:51,767 --> 00:58:54,734 I'm not sure yet if I'm gonna use it, but I need it ready. 1077 00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:56,133 All right, Mr. President. 1078 00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:58,633 You know, Jack, I want war like I want polio. 1079 00:58:58,700 --> 00:59:00,000 The shooting, the bombing-- 1080 00:59:00,066 --> 00:59:02,133 goes against every bone in my body. 1081 00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:04,667 You know that better than almost anyone. 1082 00:59:04,734 --> 00:59:07,834 These young people here, that's what I'm all about. 1083 00:59:07,900 --> 00:59:09,834 That was me, in Cotulla, 1084 00:59:09,900 --> 00:59:11,900 teaching Mexican kids living in hovels, 1085 00:59:11,967 --> 00:59:15,266 treated worse than you'd treat a dog. 1086 00:59:15,333 --> 00:59:17,900 But here I'd start a billion-dollar bank for 'em 1087 00:59:17,967 --> 00:59:19,734 in Southeast Asia, free money, 1088 00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:21,934 and Ho Chi Minh wants no part of it. 1089 00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,900 I could have turned that place into the Tennessee Valley. 1090 00:59:24,967 --> 00:59:27,166 I read he said he's willing to fight for 20 years. 1091 00:59:27,233 --> 00:59:29,000 I know what he says, I know what I say, 1092 00:59:29,066 --> 00:59:31,233 and I know what I must do despite what I say. 1093 00:59:31,300 --> 00:59:33,266 Damn it! 1094 00:59:33,333 --> 00:59:36,567 I want to leave the footprint of America in Vietnam. 1095 00:59:36,633 --> 00:59:39,433 Schools, dams, hospitals. 1096 00:59:39,500 --> 00:59:41,967 Bomb craters, that'll be our footprint. 1097 00:59:42,033 --> 00:59:44,300 That's what they'll remember me for. 1098 00:59:44,367 --> 00:59:46,934 Not for health care or civil rights or education. 1099 00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:50,800 No, sir. It'll be Vietnam, Vietnam, Vietnam. 1100 00:59:50,867 --> 00:59:53,066 20 bills I'm trying to get out of committee, 1101 00:59:53,133 --> 00:59:55,734 and 12 out of 18 working hours every day, 1102 00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:59,300 my head's stuck up that raggedy-ass little fourth-rate country 1103 00:59:59,367 --> 01:00:02,467 that doesn't even have the fight to save itself. 1104 01:00:05,266 --> 01:00:07,734 You get with McNamara. 1105 01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:09,367 You know what it's got to say. 1106 01:00:09,433 --> 01:00:13,266 And tell Busby or Goodwin to put the music to it, Jack. 1107 01:00:25,300 --> 01:00:27,266 Why are you up? 1108 01:00:27,333 --> 01:00:29,233 You needn't ask me that each time. 1109 01:00:29,300 --> 01:00:30,600 Eh. 1110 01:00:30,667 --> 01:00:32,467 Tried not to wake you. 1111 01:00:32,533 --> 01:00:34,767 Got the ringer so low, I can't hear it. 1112 01:00:34,834 --> 01:00:36,934 Got the flashlight. 1113 01:00:37,033 --> 01:00:40,200 Maybe you ought to sleep in that other room you set up. 1114 01:00:40,266 --> 01:00:42,667 What happened to that prime rib from the Medicare meeting? 1115 01:00:42,734 --> 01:00:44,166 Is that what you want? 1116 01:00:44,233 --> 01:00:46,633 There's a nice chicken left over from the Education lunch. 1117 01:00:46,700 --> 01:00:49,367 Johnson: I saw 'em put it away. 1118 01:00:49,433 --> 01:00:52,000 Oh, darling, you've been so good about your diet, 1119 01:00:52,066 --> 01:00:55,700 - but I don't see any point in the middle of the night-- - I don't care about that now. 1120 01:00:55,767 --> 01:00:58,800 Another heart attack might be the answer to my problems. 1121 01:00:58,867 --> 01:01:01,000 All right, you stop that kind of talk, please. 1122 01:01:01,066 --> 01:01:02,467 I worry enough about your health. 1123 01:01:02,533 --> 01:01:04,700 I'll fix something for you if you sit down. 1124 01:01:04,767 --> 01:01:06,367 - All right. - Come on. 1125 01:01:06,433 --> 01:01:08,467 All right. 1126 01:01:08,533 --> 01:01:10,367 I'm sorry, honey. 1127 01:01:21,433 --> 01:01:23,100 Luci met a boy. 1128 01:01:23,166 --> 01:01:26,700 When she went on that Chicago trip with you last week. 1129 01:01:26,767 --> 01:01:29,033 What do you mean, she met a boy? 1130 01:01:29,100 --> 01:01:31,266 Why didn't I know about this? 1131 01:01:31,333 --> 01:01:33,200 That day she went to Milwaukee 1132 01:01:33,266 --> 01:01:34,867 and visited the William Feldsteins. 1133 01:01:34,934 --> 01:01:36,767 - Ah. - Mm-hmm. 1134 01:01:36,834 --> 01:01:39,734 She visited Beth Jenkins at Marquette, 1135 01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:42,400 and Beth had some friends over, 1136 01:01:42,467 --> 01:01:44,100 all the students there, 1137 01:01:44,166 --> 01:01:49,400 and among them was this... boy. 1138 01:01:49,467 --> 01:01:52,700 Patrick Nugent is his name. 1139 01:01:53,767 --> 01:01:55,200 He's Catholic. 1140 01:01:56,700 --> 01:02:00,734 So Luci will only date boys who are Catholic now. 1141 01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:03,200 And she calls him "Paddy." 1142 01:02:03,266 --> 01:02:06,900 - Thank you. - So I am paying attention. 1143 01:02:06,967 --> 01:02:09,300 "He's just tons, Mother." 1144 01:02:09,367 --> 01:02:12,834 She said to me that's the new expression. 1145 01:02:12,900 --> 01:02:15,700 Tons. Move your elbow. 1146 01:02:15,767 --> 01:02:16,867 Thank you. 1147 01:02:16,934 --> 01:02:19,834 Now, you like the chicken? 1148 01:02:19,900 --> 01:02:21,800 You remarked on it. 1149 01:02:23,934 --> 01:02:26,233 I didn't know of it. 1150 01:02:26,300 --> 01:02:29,533 You might have shown it to me this morning. 1151 01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:32,700 - And woken you again? - Oh... 1152 01:02:32,767 --> 01:02:35,800 Like a jackass in a hailstorm. 1153 01:02:35,867 --> 01:02:38,934 I guess I'll just have to hunker up and take it. 1154 01:02:40,633 --> 01:02:44,734 I feel like I'm going down in a plane. 1155 01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:47,734 I can crash with it and burn up 1156 01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:50,400 or jump and die. 1157 01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:53,600 Where we were when I came in, 1158 01:02:53,667 --> 01:02:56,533 I'd-- I'd trade back to that. 1159 01:02:57,967 --> 01:03:01,300 I'd trade back to the damn vice presidency 1160 01:03:01,367 --> 01:03:03,867 to get out of this mess. 1161 01:03:15,433 --> 01:03:17,967 Bill on phone: Clark, the president would like you and your wife 1162 01:03:18,033 --> 01:03:19,633 to join him at Camp David this weekend. 1163 01:03:19,700 --> 01:03:21,500 Clark on phone: Oh, thank you, Bill. Thank the president. 1164 01:03:21,567 --> 01:03:24,200 We'd love to, but we have a prior engagement. 1165 01:03:24,266 --> 01:03:26,567 Bill: Clark, is there any way you can make it? 1166 01:03:26,633 --> 01:03:28,967 He's working on an escalation speech. 1167 01:03:29,033 --> 01:03:31,000 Clark: Has he made up his mind? 1168 01:03:31,066 --> 01:03:33,467 Bill: I say yes, but he's asking for you. 1169 01:03:33,533 --> 01:03:35,934 Clark: And who else will be there? 1170 01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:38,200 Bill: Bob McNamara. 1171 01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:05,066 Hi, Bob. 1172 01:04:07,834 --> 01:04:10,734 Mr. and Mrs. McNamara, I'd like you to meet my friend, Pat Nugent. 1173 01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:12,200 It's an honor to meet you, sir. 1174 01:04:12,266 --> 01:04:13,734 A pleasure. My wife Marg. 1175 01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:15,100 - Afternoon, ma'am. - Nice to meet you. 1176 01:04:15,166 --> 01:04:16,533 Air National Guard? Where are you stationed? 1177 01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:18,900 I'll be at Andrews with the 113th, sir, 1178 01:04:18,967 --> 01:04:20,633 but down to San Antonio first for basic. 1179 01:04:20,700 --> 01:04:22,900 Uh-huh. Lackland Air Force Base, sure. 1180 01:04:22,967 --> 01:04:24,633 Used to call it Kelly back in '42 1181 01:04:24,700 --> 01:04:27,400 when I was going around helping to build an Air Force in this country. 1182 01:04:27,467 --> 01:04:29,033 You know, we only had a handful of planes 1183 01:04:29,100 --> 01:04:31,433 when the Japanese attacked us, spread all over the country. 1184 01:04:31,500 --> 01:04:33,700 - Is that right? - Yeah. 1185 01:04:33,767 --> 01:04:35,367 And Hap Arnold knew the name of every one of 'em. 1186 01:04:35,433 --> 01:04:37,433 I've got some Hap Arnold stories for you. 1187 01:04:37,500 --> 01:04:39,500 Yeah. Hey. 1188 01:04:39,567 --> 01:04:40,934 Uh, sorry. 1189 01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:42,166 We'll leave everything till tomorrow. 1190 01:04:42,233 --> 01:04:43,433 We'll talk in the morning. 1191 01:04:43,500 --> 01:04:46,133 - I look forward to it. - Come on in. 1192 01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:48,000 Hey, how are you? 1193 01:04:49,467 --> 01:04:52,066 Let the best minds of our administration 1194 01:04:52,133 --> 01:04:54,133 start looking for a way out 1195 01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:58,333 and stop looking for a way to win this unwinnable war, 1196 01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:00,934 because it is my considered opinion 1197 01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:06,133 that continuing on that path will lead us to catastrophe. 1198 01:05:09,867 --> 01:05:13,333 Any unbiased jury would give you your verdict, Clark, 1199 01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:15,166 no question. 1200 01:05:15,233 --> 01:05:17,000 But? 1201 01:05:17,066 --> 01:05:21,000 But if it's true what Moyers says, 1202 01:05:21,066 --> 01:05:23,266 that Lyndon's in McNamara's pocket... 1203 01:05:28,033 --> 01:05:30,600 McNamara has such sway in there. 1204 01:05:30,667 --> 01:05:34,166 Truman took your advice over George Marshall's, 1205 01:05:34,233 --> 01:05:35,300 for heaven's sakes. 1206 01:05:35,367 --> 01:05:37,000 Kennedy, too. 1207 01:05:37,066 --> 01:05:39,900 Yeah, but Lyndon is another kettle of fish. 1208 01:05:39,967 --> 01:05:43,266 Give him a new vision, Clark. 1209 01:05:43,333 --> 01:05:46,400 He'll hear you. 1210 01:05:46,467 --> 01:05:49,867 Johnson: Rinaldo, leave it there. 1211 01:05:56,367 --> 01:05:59,200 So, these are the numbers. 1212 01:05:59,266 --> 01:06:01,166 Now, you will not be held accountable 1213 01:06:01,233 --> 01:06:03,300 for anything that has happened up to this point. 1214 01:06:03,367 --> 01:06:07,266 In fact, you will be admired for the noble attempt 1215 01:06:07,333 --> 01:06:09,767 you have made to honor your predecessor's commitment, 1216 01:06:09,834 --> 01:06:13,500 a commitment that has been exploited by that corrupt 1217 01:06:13,567 --> 01:06:17,166 and self-destructive regime in South Vietnam. 1218 01:06:17,233 --> 01:06:20,000 The bombing might have worked, but it hasn't. 1219 01:06:20,066 --> 01:06:21,767 And to make it work, 1220 01:06:21,834 --> 01:06:24,934 you would have to resort to unconscionable measures 1221 01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:28,967 that would make you a hero to those in this country you disdain 1222 01:06:29,033 --> 01:06:31,533 and a criminal to those you have sought 1223 01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:34,734 all your life to assist, the young and the poor, 1224 01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:36,967 who are the ones who will have to fight this war. 1225 01:06:37,033 --> 01:06:39,266 This-- this is not the last inning 1226 01:06:39,333 --> 01:06:41,834 in the struggle against Communism. 1227 01:06:41,900 --> 01:06:44,200 We must pick those spots 1228 01:06:44,266 --> 01:06:46,200 where the stakes are highest for us 1229 01:06:46,266 --> 01:06:48,000 and where we hold the cards that'll give us 1230 01:06:48,066 --> 01:06:50,633 the greatest opportunity to prevail. 1231 01:06:50,700 --> 01:06:54,000 Ho Chi Minh told the French-- he said, 1232 01:06:54,066 --> 01:06:56,367 "You will kill ten of my men, 1233 01:06:56,433 --> 01:06:59,400 and I will kill only one of yours, 1234 01:06:59,467 --> 01:07:02,333 but in the end, it is you who will tire." 1235 01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:03,433 And they did. 1236 01:07:03,500 --> 01:07:05,400 And 11 years ago, at Dien Bien Phu, 1237 01:07:05,467 --> 01:07:07,433 they just couldn't do it anymore. 1238 01:07:07,500 --> 01:07:10,300 The North Vietnamese lost 500,000 1239 01:07:10,367 --> 01:07:13,133 in their war against the French, and they did not tire, 1240 01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:14,767 and they will not tire now. 1241 01:07:14,834 --> 01:07:18,700 Not after you commit 100,000, not after you commit 500,000. 1242 01:07:18,767 --> 01:07:22,834 And if you do not win decisively after a big buildup, 1243 01:07:22,900 --> 01:07:25,433 it will be a huge catastrophe. 1244 01:07:25,500 --> 01:07:29,033 It will destroy the American people's faith in you 1245 01:07:29,100 --> 01:07:31,333 and the Democratic Party 1246 01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:34,300 and their government for years to come. 1247 01:07:34,367 --> 01:07:37,166 Now, you have always stressed the economic 1248 01:07:37,233 --> 01:07:39,700 and social dimensions of world problems. 1249 01:07:39,767 --> 01:07:41,400 And in this you are unrivaled. 1250 01:07:41,467 --> 01:07:44,600 You have a unique opportunity here 1251 01:07:44,667 --> 01:07:47,867 to address this problem, economically and socially. 1252 01:07:47,934 --> 01:07:51,967 Not by war, not by killing people, 1253 01:07:52,033 --> 01:07:55,700 but by helping them here and there. 1254 01:07:55,767 --> 01:08:00,533 This is a year of minimum political risk for you, Mr. President. 1255 01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:04,066 You were elected by the largest landslide in our history. 1256 01:08:04,133 --> 01:08:09,433 The reactionary elements of this society will not soon recover. 1257 01:08:09,500 --> 01:08:13,367 I foresee little erosion of your prestige and power 1258 01:08:13,433 --> 01:08:17,667 if we cut our losses and get out of Vietnam. 1259 01:08:18,934 --> 01:08:20,767 But I foresee nothing but disaster 1260 01:08:20,834 --> 01:08:24,900 for you and this country if we don't. 1261 01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:28,300 If we escalate this war, 1262 01:08:28,367 --> 01:08:31,467 I believe it will ruin us. 1263 01:08:31,533 --> 01:08:34,000 And I believe it will ruin you 1264 01:08:34,066 --> 01:08:38,033 and all the great good you have sought to do. 1265 01:08:46,066 --> 01:08:49,400 Shit. 1266 01:08:49,467 --> 01:08:52,600 It's a hot one already. 1267 01:08:52,667 --> 01:08:54,967 You wish you were back in Texas, Mr. President? 1268 01:08:55,033 --> 01:08:59,834 Fellas, right now I'd rather be on the moon. 1269 01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:08,834 Okay, Bob. 1270 01:09:10,533 --> 01:09:12,266 Mr. President, Clark has suggested 1271 01:09:12,333 --> 01:09:13,967 that the stakes aren't there in Vietnam. 1272 01:09:14,033 --> 01:09:15,433 This is damn shocking. 1273 01:09:15,500 --> 01:09:17,967 Here are the stakes. 1274 01:09:18,033 --> 01:09:20,133 Number one: national security. 1275 01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:22,300 If we back down in Vietnam, 1276 01:09:22,367 --> 01:09:23,867 it will only be a matter of time 1277 01:09:23,934 --> 01:09:25,967 before we have to go in someplace else. 1278 01:09:26,033 --> 01:09:28,567 Two: the commitments we've made and the price of breaking them. 1279 01:09:28,633 --> 01:09:31,934 And three: our prestige before the world. 1280 01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:35,467 Could the stakes be any higher? 1281 01:09:35,533 --> 01:09:37,667 To elaborate on point one, 1282 01:09:37,734 --> 01:09:39,667 if we withdraw, Laos, Cambodia, 1283 01:09:39,734 --> 01:09:41,400 Thailand, Burma will fall, 1284 01:09:41,467 --> 01:09:43,700 but the ripple effect will be far greater, 1285 01:09:43,767 --> 01:09:48,700 with Communist agitation increasing in Africa, India, even Japan. 1286 01:09:48,767 --> 01:09:51,133 We will have to give up some bases. 1287 01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:54,767 Pakistan will move closer to China. 1288 01:09:54,834 --> 01:09:55,967 Point two. 1289 01:09:56,033 --> 01:09:58,967 Our pledge is a pillar of peace in the world, 1290 01:09:59,033 --> 01:10:00,133 and if we break it, 1291 01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:02,000 our allies will lose faith in us. 1292 01:10:02,066 --> 01:10:05,300 And three, because we have so persistently 1293 01:10:05,367 --> 01:10:07,367 and publicly committed ourselves 1294 01:10:07,433 --> 01:10:10,300 to preventing a Communist takeover in South Vietnam, 1295 01:10:10,367 --> 01:10:12,767 our failure to see that commitment through 1296 01:10:12,834 --> 01:10:16,533 will be profoundly devastating to our prestige. 1297 01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:19,467 This is why I recommend the following-- 1298 01:10:19,533 --> 01:10:21,834 one: put the men in. 1299 01:10:21,900 --> 01:10:23,734 Westmoreland's plan is sound. 1300 01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:27,200 Every quantitative measurement shows we can win. 1301 01:10:27,266 --> 01:10:30,133 Two: call up the reserves and extend tours of duty. 1302 01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:32,066 And three: expand the bombing. 1303 01:10:32,133 --> 01:10:35,567 In the north, remove restrictions on bridge and rail lines, 1304 01:10:35,633 --> 01:10:36,967 mine the harbors. 1305 01:10:37,033 --> 01:10:40,867 Expand Rolling Thunder from 2,500 to 4,000 sorties a month. 1306 01:10:40,934 --> 01:10:42,967 In the south, tactical air strikes 1307 01:10:43,033 --> 01:10:47,767 must be supplemented by increased B-52 bombing of VC base areas. 1308 01:10:47,834 --> 01:10:49,100 Now, to elaborate... 1309 01:10:56,066 --> 01:10:58,233 Clark. 1310 01:10:58,300 --> 01:11:00,467 Clark, I think you scored some terrific points in there. 1311 01:11:00,533 --> 01:11:03,000 I'm so glad you were arguing the other side. 1312 01:11:03,066 --> 01:11:05,066 Bob... 1313 01:11:07,100 --> 01:11:08,834 you believe what you've said to the president? 1314 01:11:08,900 --> 01:11:10,300 You're certain we can win? 1315 01:11:10,367 --> 01:11:13,266 Well, I sure hope there's no mistake 1316 01:11:13,333 --> 01:11:14,700 in my confidence on the president's part. 1317 01:11:14,767 --> 01:11:16,867 No, that's not what I'm asking. 1318 01:11:16,934 --> 01:11:20,100 Clark, I've seen the charts, I've run the numbers. 1319 01:11:20,166 --> 01:11:21,800 Everything else is... 1320 01:11:21,867 --> 01:11:24,767 soft, speculation. 1321 01:11:24,834 --> 01:11:27,467 I had dinner with President Kennedy 1322 01:11:27,533 --> 01:11:30,133 just after the Missile Crisis. 1323 01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:33,066 And he told me that if it had not been for you, 1324 01:11:33,133 --> 01:11:35,767 keeping your head, facing down the chiefs, 1325 01:11:35,834 --> 01:11:37,800 thinking clearly, 1326 01:11:37,867 --> 01:11:40,266 we might not be alive today. 1327 01:11:40,333 --> 01:11:42,700 Now, there were no charts and numbers then, 1328 01:11:42,767 --> 01:11:44,700 just judgment. 1329 01:11:44,767 --> 01:11:48,100 You're telling me that it is your judgment 1330 01:11:48,166 --> 01:11:51,333 that this is the best course of action for this country, 1331 01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:53,367 for this president? 1332 01:11:55,233 --> 01:11:58,633 I can only give my best advice. 1333 01:11:58,700 --> 01:12:00,867 That's what I did for Jack Kennedy. 1334 01:12:00,934 --> 01:12:03,200 It's what I'm doing now. 1335 01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:06,300 I'll see you at dinner, Clark. 1336 01:12:23,266 --> 01:12:25,867 You want to stop somewhere and talk about it? 1337 01:12:25,934 --> 01:12:27,633 I'm all talked out, honey. 1338 01:12:27,700 --> 01:12:29,433 I've done nothing but talk. 1339 01:12:29,500 --> 01:12:31,200 At some point, the talking's gotta end. 1340 01:12:31,266 --> 01:12:34,000 God help us when the talking ends. 1341 01:12:36,467 --> 01:12:38,066 Lyndon. Oh. 1342 01:12:45,100 --> 01:12:48,200 A hundred PhDs among 'em, 10,000 IQ points, 1343 01:12:48,266 --> 01:12:50,467 and I can't get an answer I can sit with. 1344 01:12:50,533 --> 01:12:52,300 And if it turns bad, 1345 01:12:52,367 --> 01:12:54,467 they'll say this wouldn't have happened under Jack Kennedy! 1346 01:12:54,533 --> 01:12:57,266 No, sir! 'Cause he could do no wrong! 1347 01:12:57,333 --> 01:12:59,100 He leaves a thousand on the beach in Cuba, 1348 01:12:59,166 --> 01:13:00,567 and his numbers go up! 1349 01:13:11,500 --> 01:13:13,367 Lyndon. 1350 01:13:13,433 --> 01:13:16,200 Now-- oh. 1351 01:13:18,667 --> 01:13:21,400 Lyndon, now, come on, honey. 1352 01:13:27,834 --> 01:13:30,100 What do you think of crashing through that damn gate 1353 01:13:30,166 --> 01:13:32,967 and driving back to Texas? 1354 01:13:33,033 --> 01:13:36,400 Now you know you'd get no argument from me. 1355 01:13:36,467 --> 01:13:39,333 You hate it that much? 1356 01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:43,300 Have you ever considered the shoes I've had to fill? 1357 01:13:43,367 --> 01:13:45,300 She didn't die with him. 1358 01:13:45,367 --> 01:13:47,000 Oh, he didn't die. 1359 01:13:47,066 --> 01:13:48,967 He's more alive than ever. 1360 01:13:49,033 --> 01:13:51,166 'Cause his half-size brother with one and a half his brains 1361 01:13:51,233 --> 01:13:53,967 and a tenth of his scruples ate his heart out 1362 01:13:54,033 --> 01:13:55,467 and took in his spirit 1363 01:13:55,533 --> 01:13:58,300 as sure as he was out of some Injun story. 1364 01:13:58,367 --> 01:13:59,700 And me? 1365 01:13:59,767 --> 01:14:01,500 I'll be President What's-His-Name 1366 01:14:01,567 --> 01:14:03,734 who came between the two. 1367 01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:06,400 The president who lost America's first war. 1368 01:14:06,467 --> 01:14:08,700 Oh, shh, shh. 1369 01:14:11,734 --> 01:14:14,033 Why must young Americans, 1370 01:14:14,100 --> 01:14:17,300 born into a land exultant with hope 1371 01:14:17,367 --> 01:14:20,066 and with golden promises, 1372 01:14:20,133 --> 01:14:23,367 toil and suffer and sometimes die 1373 01:14:23,433 --> 01:14:28,767 in such a remote and distant place as Vietnam? 1374 01:14:28,834 --> 01:14:32,266 It is because in the fight for freedom, 1375 01:14:32,333 --> 01:14:34,967 the American people have learned 1376 01:14:35,033 --> 01:14:37,734 that retreat does not bring safety 1377 01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:42,166 and weakness does not bring peace. 1378 01:14:42,233 --> 01:14:45,867 If we are driven from the field in Vietnam, 1379 01:14:45,934 --> 01:14:48,600 then no nation can ever again 1380 01:14:48,667 --> 01:14:53,633 have the same confidence in American promises 1381 01:14:53,700 --> 01:14:56,367 or in American protection. 1382 01:14:57,767 --> 01:15:01,300 We did not choose to be the guardians at the gate, 1383 01:15:01,367 --> 01:15:04,900 but there is no one else. 1384 01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:08,533 Nor would surrender in Vietnam bring peace, 1385 01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:11,800 because we learned from Hitler at Munich 1386 01:15:11,867 --> 01:15:16,433 that success only feeds the appetite of aggression. 1387 01:15:17,667 --> 01:15:19,567 I have asked the commanding general, 1388 01:15:19,633 --> 01:15:21,533 General Westmoreland, 1389 01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:25,367 what more he needs to meet this mounting aggression. 1390 01:15:25,433 --> 01:15:27,767 He has told me, 1391 01:15:27,834 --> 01:15:30,333 and we will meet his needs. 1392 01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:33,900 I have today ordered to Vietnam 1393 01:15:33,967 --> 01:15:37,800 the Airmobile Division and certain other forces 1394 01:15:37,867 --> 01:15:39,734 which will raise our fighting strength 1395 01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:46,533 from 75,000 to 125,000 men almost immediately. 1396 01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:49,767 Additional forces will be needed later, 1397 01:15:49,834 --> 01:15:51,967 and they will be sent as requested. 1398 01:15:52,033 --> 01:15:54,300 Yeah, but how many? 1399 01:15:55,533 --> 01:15:59,467 Johnson: Now, I do not find it easy 1400 01:15:59,533 --> 01:16:02,533 to send the flower of our youth, 1401 01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:06,667 our finest young men into battle. 1402 01:16:06,734 --> 01:16:09,433 I think I know how their mothers weep 1403 01:16:09,500 --> 01:16:11,767 and their families sorrow. 1404 01:16:11,834 --> 01:16:13,533 Mr. Secretary, 1405 01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:17,066 Senator Morse has been calling Vietnam "McNamara's War." 1406 01:16:17,133 --> 01:16:19,066 What is your reaction? 1407 01:16:19,133 --> 01:16:22,100 This is a war of the United States government. 1408 01:16:22,166 --> 01:16:24,266 I'm following the president's policy 1409 01:16:24,333 --> 01:16:26,800 and working in close cooperation with the secretary of state. 1410 01:16:26,867 --> 01:16:30,734 Now, I must say I don't object to it being called McNamara's War. 1411 01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:32,400 I think it's a very important war, 1412 01:16:32,467 --> 01:16:35,767 one that I'm pleased to be identified with and to do what I can to win it. 1413 01:16:35,834 --> 01:16:37,934 Man on radio: Appearing on "Meet the Press" yesterday, 1414 01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:40,400 McNamara was asked to comment on Hanoi's claim 1415 01:16:40,467 --> 01:16:43,333 that some 10,000 civilians have been killed in the bombing, 1416 01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:45,700 including thousands of women and children. 1417 01:16:45,767 --> 01:16:47,467 - McNamara: Some loss of innocent life 1418 01:16:47,533 --> 01:16:50,233 is unavoidable in an operation such as this. 1419 01:16:50,300 --> 01:16:51,834 I can tell you that we are taking 1420 01:16:51,900 --> 01:16:54,567 every possible precaution in choosing targets. 1421 01:16:54,633 --> 01:16:57,633 The risk of civilian casualties is most assuredly 1422 01:16:57,700 --> 01:17:00,667 - one of several factors considered. 1423 01:17:11,166 --> 01:17:13,934 McNamara: So what target are you recommending? 1424 01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:18,266 It's a cement factory along a major rail line. 1425 01:17:18,333 --> 01:17:21,533 General Wheeler feels military value is marginal. 1426 01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:25,233 But the monsoon has socked in more valuable targets. 1427 01:17:25,300 --> 01:17:27,667 McNamara: What's the output of the facility? 1428 01:17:27,734 --> 01:17:30,133 Colonel: It appears to be small, sir, even by their standards. 1429 01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:32,600 It couldn't produce enough for them to rely heavily on the output. 1430 01:17:32,667 --> 01:17:34,533 McNamara: Let's give it a "C" for military value. 1431 01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:36,133 What's your risk analysis? 1432 01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:38,867 Colonel: Risk to pilots is close to zero. 1433 01:17:38,934 --> 01:17:40,800 There might be some small arms fire, 1434 01:17:40,867 --> 01:17:44,900 but recon shows no antiaircraft emplacements. 1435 01:17:47,734 --> 01:17:49,934 McNamara: No MIGs in the area? 1436 01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:51,767 Colonel: They'll be protecting more valuable targets 1437 01:17:51,834 --> 01:17:54,133 and probably won't risk losing them defending this one. 1438 01:17:54,200 --> 01:17:56,600 Depending on cloud cover, we may have to come in low enough 1439 01:17:56,667 --> 01:17:59,767 to be in range of small arms, but this is a small risk. 1440 01:17:59,834 --> 01:18:02,066 McNamara: Give it an "A" for risk to pilots and aircraft. 1441 01:18:02,133 --> 01:18:03,667 What's your flash point analysis? 1442 01:18:03,734 --> 01:18:05,934 The target is more than 20 miles outside Hanoi, 1443 01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:09,200 so there's little risk of provoking China or Russia. 1444 01:18:09,266 --> 01:18:12,166 McNamara: Kosygin or Mao won't be down there 1445 01:18:12,233 --> 01:18:14,633 touring the factory that day, will they? 1446 01:18:14,700 --> 01:18:18,400 This isn't one of Russia or China's friendship projects? 1447 01:18:18,467 --> 01:18:20,767 Army Chief of Staff: A gift from the motherland? 1448 01:18:20,834 --> 01:18:22,767 Colonel: Well, if I were Ho Chi Minh, 1449 01:18:22,834 --> 01:18:25,033 I would have returned this gift. 1450 01:18:25,100 --> 01:18:26,834 Of course, catching one of them there 1451 01:18:26,900 --> 01:18:28,800 might have been a nice bonus for us. 1452 01:18:28,867 --> 01:18:30,667 McNamara: Thanks, but I've already been to the brink 1453 01:18:30,734 --> 01:18:34,233 of nuclear annihilation, and I'm not eager to go back. 1454 01:18:36,100 --> 01:18:38,033 McNamara: Give it an "A" for flash point risk. 1455 01:18:38,100 --> 01:18:39,433 Next. What about civilians? 1456 01:18:39,500 --> 01:18:41,266 Colonel: We're clear of residential, 1457 01:18:41,333 --> 01:18:43,734 except for one row of hooches behind the facility. 1458 01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:46,834 So what are these, houses or storage shacks or what? 1459 01:18:46,900 --> 01:18:49,166 Well, we can't be sure. Uh... 1460 01:18:49,233 --> 01:18:50,767 Most likely the factory managers 1461 01:18:50,834 --> 01:18:52,500 and their families live there. 1462 01:18:52,567 --> 01:18:56,100 I'm not too familiar with Southeast Asian home construction, sir. 1463 01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:00,500 We can certainly use someone who knows something 1464 01:19:00,567 --> 01:19:03,100 about Vietnamese culture around here. 1465 01:19:05,767 --> 01:19:08,900 So, what's the outside number of civilians? 1466 01:19:08,967 --> 01:19:13,033 Well, four hooches this size, we use six per, so 24. 1467 01:19:15,166 --> 01:19:17,767 McNamara: 24 for a target this size? That seems high. 1468 01:19:17,834 --> 01:19:20,433 Colonel: That's how we figure it, sir. 1469 01:19:20,500 --> 01:19:22,500 McNamara: I mean, that seems a high number to lose 1470 01:19:22,567 --> 01:19:24,000 for a target like this. 1471 01:19:24,066 --> 01:19:26,200 Give it a "D" for civilian casualties. 1472 01:19:26,266 --> 01:19:29,800 Let's see what we've got. C, A, A, D... 1473 01:19:29,867 --> 01:19:33,066 Let's give it a solid C-plus and put it before the president. 1474 01:19:33,133 --> 01:19:34,834 - All right, what's the-- - Jesus! 1475 01:19:34,900 --> 01:19:37,600 There's a guy on the wall at the river entrance! 1476 01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:47,166 - Oh, my God. - Hey, wait a minute! Stop! 1477 01:19:50,233 --> 01:19:51,633 Don't! Don't! 1478 01:19:56,066 --> 01:19:58,934 - Hey, get down from there! - Get off! 1479 01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:01,967 Please, please, the baby! Stop! Stop! 1480 01:20:02,033 --> 01:20:05,500 Oh, God! Please! 1481 01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:40,867 Goodwin: Yes, Mr. President. 1482 01:20:40,934 --> 01:20:42,734 Johnson on phone: You wanted to see me? 1483 01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:45,934 - Goodwin: Yes, sir. - You can come down now. 1484 01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:52,700 Yes, Dick? 1485 01:21:52,767 --> 01:21:57,100 Mr. President, as, uh, Bill Moyers told you, 1486 01:21:57,166 --> 01:21:58,600 I've been offered a fellowship 1487 01:21:58,667 --> 01:22:00,967 at Wesleyan University in Connecticut. 1488 01:22:01,033 --> 01:22:03,734 Well, good for you. Ha! That ain't easy to get. 1489 01:22:03,800 --> 01:22:06,233 No. No, I'm very fortunate. 1490 01:22:06,300 --> 01:22:08,066 Well, don't wait too long to turn them down 1491 01:22:08,133 --> 01:22:10,633 so they can call the next guy on the list. 1492 01:22:11,900 --> 01:22:14,900 Mr. President, I have already accepted. 1493 01:22:14,967 --> 01:22:17,867 No problem. You didn't know you weren't free to go. 1494 01:22:17,934 --> 01:22:20,266 Call 'em up. Put me on if they give you any trouble. 1495 01:22:20,333 --> 01:22:22,200 What do you mean, I'm not free to go? 1496 01:22:22,266 --> 01:22:24,300 I mean you can't go. 1497 01:22:24,367 --> 01:22:26,200 I can't get along without you. 1498 01:22:26,266 --> 01:22:27,934 That makes you a pretty big fella. 1499 01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:30,300 How big a fella are you gonna be with some fellowship? 1500 01:22:30,367 --> 01:22:33,667 Well, you got along without me before I came. 1501 01:22:36,500 --> 01:22:38,900 You want more money? 1502 01:22:38,967 --> 01:22:40,400 I got plenty of money. 1503 01:22:40,467 --> 01:22:42,934 I'll arrange a payment from the Johnson Foundation. 1504 01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:45,433 Money isn't the issue, Mr. President. 1505 01:22:45,500 --> 01:22:47,033 This is something that I want to do. 1506 01:22:47,100 --> 01:22:48,834 Well, it ain't gonna be. 1507 01:22:48,900 --> 01:22:51,066 So make your call. 1508 01:22:56,800 --> 01:22:59,867 Mr. President, I, uh... 1509 01:22:59,934 --> 01:23:02,033 I'm very sorry. 1510 01:23:03,233 --> 01:23:07,667 Now, Dick, you either stay here with me, 1511 01:23:07,734 --> 01:23:09,400 or you go over to the Pentagon 1512 01:23:09,467 --> 01:23:11,767 and get yourself a pair of shiny, black boots. 1513 01:23:11,834 --> 01:23:14,166 There's a statute. I asked McNamara. 1514 01:23:14,233 --> 01:23:16,967 Says we can draft specialists vital to the national interest, 1515 01:23:17,033 --> 01:23:19,400 and that's what I'll do. 1516 01:23:19,467 --> 01:23:21,600 If you won't serve here, 1517 01:23:21,667 --> 01:23:23,734 you know where I can send you. 1518 01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:24,934 Will you make me a general? 1519 01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:26,867 Oh, you won't want to be a general. 1520 01:23:26,934 --> 01:23:28,433 You'll want to be a private, Marine infantry. 1521 01:23:28,500 --> 01:23:30,133 That's where the action is. 1522 01:23:30,200 --> 01:23:32,200 I know you like to be around the action. 1523 01:23:32,266 --> 01:23:34,934 That's why you stayed here so long. 1524 01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:38,533 Now, you listen to me, Dick. 1525 01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:43,000 You go ahead and take your fellowship. 1526 01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:47,066 But your hands are all over this. 1527 01:23:47,133 --> 01:23:49,467 You and Moyers and Bundy and everybody else 1528 01:23:49,533 --> 01:23:52,000 talking about jumping ship! 1529 01:23:52,066 --> 01:23:54,333 But most of all, you! 1530 01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:57,300 You put your name all over the Great Society, 1531 01:23:57,367 --> 01:23:59,834 but you put the tune to those words of war, too. 1532 01:23:59,900 --> 01:24:01,900 And hiding out on some college campus 1533 01:24:01,967 --> 01:24:05,500 or anything else you ever do is never gonna change that! 1534 01:24:05,567 --> 01:24:07,433 Dismissed! 1535 01:24:19,266 --> 01:24:21,633 Man: An entire generation of North Vietnamese 1536 01:24:21,700 --> 01:24:24,734 have been born and lived and died 1537 01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:26,867 in the pursuit of one thing: 1538 01:24:26,934 --> 01:24:30,533 a united Vietnam under Communist rule. 1539 01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:32,133 The North Vietnamese 1540 01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:35,133 have never known anything but war. 1541 01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:37,500 At CIA, we've just completed a study 1542 01:24:37,567 --> 01:24:40,500 of their staggering recuperative abilities. 1543 01:24:40,567 --> 01:24:42,500 Bridges. 1544 01:24:42,567 --> 01:24:45,600 This one was knocked out in a morning raid. 1545 01:24:45,667 --> 01:24:48,300 Two hours later, some bamboo planks 1546 01:24:48,367 --> 01:24:49,934 across a bunch of wooden canal boats, 1547 01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:51,500 and there's foot traffic again. 1548 01:24:51,567 --> 01:24:56,033 By 3:00 p.m., it's a pontoon bridge, 1549 01:24:56,100 --> 01:24:59,133 strong enough for a fully loaded truck. 1550 01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:01,734 A bomb knocks out a rail line, 1551 01:25:01,800 --> 01:25:04,500 they call up the bicycle brigades. 1552 01:25:04,567 --> 01:25:06,500 500 men and women, 1553 01:25:06,567 --> 01:25:09,133 some as old as 70 or 75, 1554 01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:11,667 put the cargo on their bikes. 1555 01:25:11,734 --> 01:25:15,333 Each one balances up to a 600-pound load across the frame, 1556 01:25:15,400 --> 01:25:17,100 they wheel it across a jerry-rigged bridge 1557 01:25:17,166 --> 01:25:19,967 to another train waiting to move it on south. 1558 01:25:20,033 --> 01:25:24,600 Filling a bomb crater to make a road passable again. 1559 01:25:24,667 --> 01:25:26,367 That's as routine to a school kid there 1560 01:25:26,433 --> 01:25:29,300 as getting a malt down at the corner shop here. 1561 01:25:29,367 --> 01:25:31,567 It's a first date. 1562 01:25:31,633 --> 01:25:34,600 They have a brand of cigarettes, Mr. President, 1563 01:25:34,667 --> 01:25:36,700 called Dien Bien Phu. 1564 01:25:36,767 --> 01:25:39,734 That's their Yorktown, their Waterloo, 1565 01:25:39,800 --> 01:25:42,900 where they defeated the French in '54. 1566 01:25:42,967 --> 01:25:45,000 Man: Reminders of war 1567 01:25:45,066 --> 01:25:47,467 are in the most casual moments of daily life. 1568 01:25:47,533 --> 01:25:50,300 In a smoke, Mr. President. 1569 01:25:50,367 --> 01:25:52,000 Their heroes, 1570 01:25:52,066 --> 01:25:54,667 the kid who was put to death for trying to assassinate 1571 01:25:54,734 --> 01:25:57,967 Secretary McNamara last year in Saigon. 1572 01:25:58,033 --> 01:26:00,233 There's a song about him. 1573 01:26:00,300 --> 01:26:01,800 It's a top ten hit. 1574 01:26:01,867 --> 01:26:05,033 And Norman Morrison. 1575 01:26:05,100 --> 01:26:06,600 Norman Morrison was the Quaker 1576 01:26:06,667 --> 01:26:08,834 who burned himself to death 1577 01:26:08,900 --> 01:26:11,934 in front of the Pentagon last month. 1578 01:26:12,033 --> 01:26:15,133 A great hero. 1579 01:26:15,200 --> 01:26:17,967 Hanoi just issued a postage stamp. 1580 01:26:18,033 --> 01:26:21,100 Thank you, John. Thank you, Scott. 1581 01:26:21,166 --> 01:26:24,200 Johnson: A great hero. 1582 01:26:24,266 --> 01:26:27,033 He almost took his one-year-old daughter with him. 1583 01:26:27,100 --> 01:26:29,100 A baby! 1584 01:26:29,166 --> 01:26:32,100 It's a miracle she was unharmed. 1585 01:26:33,133 --> 01:26:34,967 The man was disturbed. 1586 01:26:35,033 --> 01:26:38,133 Three young children are fatherless. 1587 01:26:42,500 --> 01:26:44,133 Hero. 1588 01:26:46,967 --> 01:26:49,166 So... 1589 01:26:49,233 --> 01:26:50,567 what do we do? 1590 01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:53,400 Mr. President, 1591 01:26:53,467 --> 01:26:55,133 the most strategic targets in North Vietnam 1592 01:26:55,200 --> 01:26:59,133 remain intact because Hanoi and Haiphong 1593 01:26:59,200 --> 01:27:00,700 continue to be off-limits. 1594 01:27:00,767 --> 01:27:04,200 We're not hitting their oil supply, major power plants, 1595 01:27:04,266 --> 01:27:05,667 rail links to China. 1596 01:27:05,734 --> 01:27:07,900 We're not mining the ports, hitting the dikes-- 1597 01:27:07,967 --> 01:27:11,133 CIA says hitting the dikes would flood the whole damn country! 1598 01:27:11,200 --> 01:27:13,200 Kill the rice crop! Starve 'em to death! 1599 01:27:13,266 --> 01:27:14,233 Isn't that right? 1600 01:27:14,300 --> 01:27:15,967 Yes, sir. 1601 01:27:16,033 --> 01:27:18,633 And I have one more problem for your big computer. 1602 01:27:18,700 --> 01:27:21,700 Ask how long it'll take 500,000 angry Americans 1603 01:27:21,767 --> 01:27:23,800 to climb that White House wall 1604 01:27:23,867 --> 01:27:25,233 and lynch their president 1605 01:27:25,300 --> 01:27:26,567 if he does something like that! 1606 01:27:26,633 --> 01:27:29,867 This is why the chiefs and I have been urging for months 1607 01:27:29,934 --> 01:27:31,867 that we take the next logical step 1608 01:27:31,934 --> 01:27:33,767 and destroy their oil reserves. 1609 01:27:33,834 --> 01:27:35,800 Nothing stopped 'em yet. Why should that stop 'em? 1610 01:27:35,867 --> 01:27:38,133 That oil goes in trucks, Mr. President, 1611 01:27:38,200 --> 01:27:40,433 trucks that carry troops and guns and bullets 1612 01:27:40,500 --> 01:27:42,500 across the border to kill our men. 1613 01:27:42,567 --> 01:27:44,867 They don't need damn trucks! 1614 01:27:44,934 --> 01:27:45,967 Weren't you watching? 1615 01:27:46,033 --> 01:27:49,767 They got hundred-year-old women hauling crap! 1616 01:27:49,834 --> 01:27:53,500 What do you want me to do, kill everybody's grandmother in that place? 1617 01:27:55,033 --> 01:27:57,834 Mr. President, Ambassador Dobrynin says 1618 01:27:57,900 --> 01:28:00,934 that Moscow would try to bring Hanoi to the table 1619 01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:02,600 if we stop the bombing for three or four weeks. 1620 01:28:02,667 --> 01:28:05,767 This would be a grave mistake, Mr. President. 1621 01:28:05,834 --> 01:28:08,233 They'll send down everything they can. 1622 01:28:08,300 --> 01:28:10,433 Westy's against it, Admiral Sharp. 1623 01:28:10,500 --> 01:28:13,600 Bob, I know, opposes it and every one of the chiefs. 1624 01:28:13,667 --> 01:28:15,633 Look... 1625 01:28:15,700 --> 01:28:17,934 the North Vietnamese have nine regiments down there. 1626 01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:19,700 We thought they had three. 1627 01:28:19,767 --> 01:28:23,400 VC has more than doubled theirs from five to 12, 1628 01:28:23,467 --> 01:28:25,500 which is twice our buildup. 1629 01:28:25,567 --> 01:28:30,133 And I just feel that we need to do something 1630 01:28:30,200 --> 01:28:33,033 before we send another 200,000 men over there. 1631 01:28:33,100 --> 01:28:36,934 Yes, Bob. We can try bombing them where it hurts. 1632 01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:40,066 The enemy lost over a thousand 1633 01:28:40,133 --> 01:28:41,867 in recent fighting, didn't they? 1634 01:28:41,934 --> 01:28:43,934 They lost 1,200 in the Ia Drang Valley, 1635 01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:46,133 and we lost 300. 1636 01:28:46,200 --> 01:28:47,200 But it's clear that they're willing 1637 01:28:47,266 --> 01:28:48,767 to take those kinds of casualties, 1638 01:28:48,834 --> 01:28:51,000 which is something that we were not counting on. 1639 01:28:51,066 --> 01:28:52,166 Some were not counting on. 1640 01:28:52,233 --> 01:28:54,934 Bob, 1641 01:28:55,000 --> 01:28:57,100 are you now saying 1642 01:28:57,166 --> 01:28:59,600 that no matter what we do militarily, 1643 01:28:59,667 --> 01:29:01,700 there's no sure victory? 1644 01:29:01,767 --> 01:29:03,533 I believe we may have been 1645 01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:05,667 overly optimistic about an early end. 1646 01:29:05,734 --> 01:29:08,367 China, Russia, although they do not want a general war, 1647 01:29:08,433 --> 01:29:10,300 have stepped up their aid. 1648 01:29:10,367 --> 01:29:12,000 Clark: Just a moment, gentlemen. 1649 01:29:12,066 --> 01:29:15,066 The president undertook this program 1650 01:29:15,133 --> 01:29:18,734 because General Westmoreland was confident we could win. 1651 01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:21,900 Why are we considering another 200,000 1652 01:29:21,967 --> 01:29:24,200 if you now believe victory to be unlikely? 1653 01:29:24,266 --> 01:29:25,867 That's my question. 1654 01:29:25,934 --> 01:29:30,033 I still believe we can win. 1655 01:29:30,100 --> 01:29:33,700 But if there is the slightest chance of obtaining a settlement 1656 01:29:33,767 --> 01:29:36,867 without sending over hundreds of thousands more men 1657 01:29:36,934 --> 01:29:39,567 and hitting their cities, 1658 01:29:39,633 --> 01:29:41,633 I think we should do it. 1659 01:29:41,700 --> 01:29:44,567 Right now we are incurring significant casualties. 1660 01:29:44,633 --> 01:29:45,567 If the buildup continues, 1661 01:29:45,633 --> 01:29:50,300 we may be facing a thousand per month. 1662 01:29:50,367 --> 01:29:52,700 And if Hanoi won't talk, 1663 01:29:52,767 --> 01:29:54,600 it will only make our position 1664 01:29:54,667 --> 01:29:56,767 with the American people stronger, 1665 01:29:56,834 --> 01:29:59,433 and they will be more likely to accept these kinds of losses. 1666 01:29:59,500 --> 01:30:01,633 Wheeler: We could have a thousand casualties a month 1667 01:30:01,700 --> 01:30:03,300 if we do this, Mr. President! 1668 01:30:03,367 --> 01:30:06,266 It's my job to protect our troops. 1669 01:30:06,333 --> 01:30:09,233 Every truck, every sampan that gets through 1670 01:30:09,300 --> 01:30:11,033 means more dead Americans. 1671 01:30:11,100 --> 01:30:14,333 They'll send down missiles, antiaircraft guns. 1672 01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:16,734 - It'll set us back a year! - Wait a minute now. 1673 01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:18,633 Seems to me that if we're this pessimistic, 1674 01:30:18,700 --> 01:30:20,233 winning battles yet predicting stalemates 1675 01:30:20,300 --> 01:30:22,000 just five months after going in, 1676 01:30:22,066 --> 01:30:23,767 we should pause the bombing and see what results. 1677 01:30:23,834 --> 01:30:26,834 I'm sorry, George, but I must disagree. 1678 01:30:26,900 --> 01:30:30,066 If we pause the bombing and it fails, 1679 01:30:30,133 --> 01:30:32,667 the president will be under irresistible pressure 1680 01:30:32,734 --> 01:30:37,066 from the right-wing hawks in Congress to bomb Hanoi, to bomb the Red River dikes. 1681 01:30:37,133 --> 01:30:42,133 That'll flood the country and create a civilian disaster of such magnitude. 1682 01:30:42,200 --> 01:30:45,200 I do not believe that North Vietnam will talk 1683 01:30:45,266 --> 01:30:46,967 until they come to the realization 1684 01:30:47,033 --> 01:30:49,433 that this will be a stalemate, that they cannot win. 1685 01:30:49,500 --> 01:30:50,667 And they're not there. 1686 01:30:50,734 --> 01:30:52,333 Their unrelenting buildup in the south 1687 01:30:52,400 --> 01:30:54,867 clearly indicates that they believe they can win. 1688 01:30:54,934 --> 01:30:58,500 Are you now saying that we have no choice 1689 01:30:58,567 --> 01:31:01,066 but to continue to match 'em man for man? 1690 01:31:01,133 --> 01:31:04,667 Well, you made that decision, Mr. President. 1691 01:31:04,734 --> 01:31:06,834 We are there. 1692 01:31:06,900 --> 01:31:10,867 You have convinced the American people that we should be there. 1693 01:31:10,934 --> 01:31:12,800 But I see no alternative 1694 01:31:12,867 --> 01:31:16,300 but for you to make your best effort to win. 1695 01:31:16,367 --> 01:31:18,266 I couldn't believe my ears! 1696 01:31:18,333 --> 01:31:21,033 Clifford about-facing, McNamara going soft! 1697 01:31:21,100 --> 01:31:23,600 Ha! They're all changing their tune now. 1698 01:31:23,667 --> 01:31:26,066 And old George McBundy got with the Soviet ambassador, 1699 01:31:26,133 --> 01:31:27,567 got a little vodka in him! 1700 01:31:27,633 --> 01:31:31,033 And those Harvard types will believe anything out of a diplomat! 1701 01:31:31,100 --> 01:31:33,767 I don't believe for a minute that Moscow wants peace. 1702 01:31:33,834 --> 01:31:36,900 You don't have to take his advice if you believe it will fail. 1703 01:31:36,967 --> 01:31:38,333 Don't you know anything? 1704 01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:39,700 Don't you know if I don't call off the bombing, 1705 01:31:39,767 --> 01:31:42,367 the Kennedys will shout from the mountaintops 1706 01:31:42,433 --> 01:31:44,900 that the Russians offered a big, fat olive branch 1707 01:31:44,967 --> 01:31:46,900 and I snapped it in two? 1708 01:31:46,967 --> 01:31:50,800 And now I've missed my chance for peace! 1709 01:31:58,033 --> 01:32:00,700 So how's academic life? 1710 01:32:00,767 --> 01:32:02,600 Not nearly as challenging. 1711 01:32:02,667 --> 01:32:06,400 But I can say I've been getting a lot more sleep. 1712 01:32:06,467 --> 01:32:10,700 Well, someone has to deal with these things. 1713 01:32:10,767 --> 01:32:13,633 You certainly have the floor space. 1714 01:32:13,700 --> 01:32:16,934 That I do. That I do. 1715 01:32:20,200 --> 01:32:23,200 You know the guy in that portrait? 1716 01:32:23,266 --> 01:32:24,567 James Forrestal. 1717 01:32:24,633 --> 01:32:26,033 That's right. 1718 01:32:26,100 --> 01:32:29,033 Truman's secretary of defense. 1719 01:32:29,100 --> 01:32:31,166 Guy went absolutely nuts. 1720 01:32:31,233 --> 01:32:34,166 When Truman finally got rid of him, 1721 01:32:34,233 --> 01:32:36,533 he pinned him with a service medal. 1722 01:32:36,600 --> 01:32:40,467 He just stood there mute, his throat clamped. 1723 01:32:40,533 --> 01:32:44,200 God knows what demons going through his mind. 1724 01:32:44,266 --> 01:32:46,000 A couple days later, 1725 01:32:46,066 --> 01:32:49,100 he jumped out of the 16th floor of Bethesda Naval. 1726 01:32:54,667 --> 01:32:59,066 Sometimes you can wrestle too much. 1727 01:32:59,133 --> 01:33:02,133 Bob, 1728 01:33:02,200 --> 01:33:03,867 we both came in with Jack Kennedy. 1729 01:33:03,934 --> 01:33:05,300 We were around when this started. 1730 01:33:05,367 --> 01:33:06,567 Vietnam started with Eisenhower, 1731 01:33:06,633 --> 01:33:08,367 and neither of us were here. 1732 01:33:08,433 --> 01:33:11,367 I know, and it was Kennedy who put in all those so-called advisors, 1733 01:33:11,433 --> 01:33:12,967 but I can't believe that had he lived, 1734 01:33:13,033 --> 01:33:14,300 we'd be in this ditch. 1735 01:33:14,367 --> 01:33:15,867 You sound like you've been talking to Bobby. 1736 01:33:15,934 --> 01:33:18,567 He's your friend. What's he been telling you? 1737 01:33:18,633 --> 01:33:23,367 If you told the president to stop the bombing, 1738 01:33:23,433 --> 01:33:24,767 he'd stop it. 1739 01:33:24,834 --> 01:33:27,533 We have stopped the bombing, under my recommendation. 1740 01:33:27,600 --> 01:33:29,433 You've paused it. 1741 01:33:29,500 --> 01:33:33,000 Hanoi knows that you're gonna start up again if they don't agree to talk. 1742 01:33:33,066 --> 01:33:34,633 And they have said a hundred times 1743 01:33:34,700 --> 01:33:36,166 they won't knuckle under to that. 1744 01:33:36,233 --> 01:33:38,033 Now, if you told the president 1745 01:33:38,100 --> 01:33:39,633 that you no longer believe the bombing can work-- 1746 01:33:39,700 --> 01:33:41,600 I never said I believed that. 1747 01:33:41,667 --> 01:33:44,000 Bobby says you told him it's not worth a damn. 1748 01:33:44,066 --> 01:33:46,166 Well, that's between Bobby and me. 1749 01:33:46,233 --> 01:33:48,500 And as far as my influence with the president is concerned, 1750 01:33:48,567 --> 01:33:50,166 I think you overestimate my pull. 1751 01:33:50,233 --> 01:33:53,333 I don't see how that's possible. 1752 01:33:53,400 --> 01:33:56,567 Peace talks. 1753 01:33:56,633 --> 01:33:59,300 That's the only way out of this thing now. 1754 01:34:04,133 --> 01:34:08,000 You stop the bombing for 30 days. 1755 01:34:08,066 --> 01:34:10,633 The brass is ready to hang me. 1756 01:34:10,700 --> 01:34:14,867 God, I sure hope Hanoi wants to take the bait because... 1757 01:34:19,100 --> 01:34:22,100 I just don't think we're going to be able to beat these people. 1758 01:34:24,600 --> 01:34:27,834 So are you going public with your views? 1759 01:34:36,100 --> 01:34:37,633 I'm thinking about it. 1760 01:34:41,233 --> 01:34:44,066 Well, you are free to do that now, aren't you? 1761 01:34:55,367 --> 01:34:56,800 Is that where it happened? 1762 01:34:56,867 --> 01:34:59,834 Yep. 1763 01:35:01,700 --> 01:35:03,333 Incredible. 1764 01:35:06,133 --> 01:35:09,300 Absolutely incredible. 1765 01:35:09,367 --> 01:35:11,567 Johnson: For 20 days now, 1766 01:35:11,633 --> 01:35:13,600 we and our South Vietnamese allies 1767 01:35:13,667 --> 01:35:17,266 have dropped no bombs on North Vietnam. 1768 01:35:17,333 --> 01:35:22,200 We seek neither territory nor bases, 1769 01:35:22,266 --> 01:35:27,266 economic domination or military alliance in Vietnam. 1770 01:35:27,333 --> 01:35:30,467 We fight for the principle of self-determination, 1771 01:35:30,533 --> 01:35:32,266 for the people of South Vietnam 1772 01:35:32,333 --> 01:35:36,200 to be able to choose their own course, 1773 01:35:36,266 --> 01:35:40,800 choose it in free elections without violence, 1774 01:35:40,867 --> 01:35:45,233 without terror and without fear. 1775 01:35:52,467 --> 01:35:54,900 We have said all this, 1776 01:35:54,967 --> 01:35:58,166 and we have asked and hoped, 1777 01:35:58,233 --> 01:36:01,967 and we have waited for a response. 1778 01:36:02,033 --> 01:36:04,033 None has come. 1779 01:36:04,100 --> 01:36:08,800 I believe that we can continue the Great Society 1780 01:36:08,867 --> 01:36:11,400 while we fight in Vietnam. 1781 01:36:11,467 --> 01:36:15,066 Yet there are those who cry out, 1782 01:36:15,133 --> 01:36:17,233 "We must sacrifice." 1783 01:36:17,300 --> 01:36:19,834 Well, let us rather ask them, 1784 01:36:19,900 --> 01:36:21,834 "Who will they sacrifice?" 1785 01:36:21,900 --> 01:36:25,400 Are they gonna sacrifice the children 1786 01:36:25,467 --> 01:36:27,133 who seek their learning 1787 01:36:27,200 --> 01:36:30,266 or the sick who need medical care 1788 01:36:30,333 --> 01:36:33,133 or the families that dwell in squalor 1789 01:36:33,200 --> 01:36:36,633 now brightened by the hope of home? 1790 01:36:36,700 --> 01:36:41,033 Will they sacrifice opportunity for the distressed, 1791 01:36:41,100 --> 01:36:46,266 the beauty of our land and the hope of our poor? 1792 01:36:58,533 --> 01:37:01,700 "Vietnam has been fighting for its independence for 4,000 years. 1793 01:37:01,767 --> 01:37:03,867 "We have defeated the Mongols three times, 1794 01:37:03,934 --> 01:37:07,000 "and despite all of his bluster and all his bombs, 1795 01:37:07,066 --> 01:37:11,633 Emperor Johnson is not nearly as terrifying as Genghis Khan." 1796 01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:16,800 Ho Chi Minh's statement over Hanoi radio this morning. 1797 01:37:22,200 --> 01:37:25,200 37 days. 1798 01:37:25,266 --> 01:37:28,066 37 days now. 1799 01:37:28,133 --> 01:37:30,400 Not one bomb has fallen. 1800 01:37:31,667 --> 01:37:34,066 This is our answer. 1801 01:37:34,133 --> 01:37:37,100 This is our answer. 1802 01:37:41,567 --> 01:37:43,400 What now, Bob? 1803 01:37:48,233 --> 01:37:51,967 Hanoi and Haiphong harbor. 1804 01:37:52,033 --> 01:37:55,734 As you can see, they're in very concentrated areas. 1805 01:37:55,800 --> 01:37:57,467 The tanks and refineries 1806 01:37:57,533 --> 01:38:00,967 are within a short distance of residential sections. 1807 01:38:01,033 --> 01:38:02,734 What about the Russian oil ships? 1808 01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:05,867 They off-load with a 250-foot floating pipeline. 1809 01:38:05,934 --> 01:38:08,900 That's why we're targeting the distribution tanks, 1810 01:38:08,967 --> 01:38:11,300 some 1,500 feet from the vessels. 1811 01:38:11,367 --> 01:38:13,633 But still quite close to the residential areas. 1812 01:38:13,700 --> 01:38:15,567 That's correct. 1813 01:38:15,633 --> 01:38:17,166 And I understand that they purposely situate 1814 01:38:17,233 --> 01:38:19,533 strategic targets close to neighborhoods. 1815 01:38:19,600 --> 01:38:21,367 What about those ships? Can they shoot back? 1816 01:38:21,433 --> 01:38:24,633 No, sir. They're unarmed. 1817 01:38:24,700 --> 01:38:27,467 But the tanks are protected by surface-to-air missiles. 1818 01:38:27,533 --> 01:38:30,533 The Russians sent them down during the bombing pause. 1819 01:38:30,600 --> 01:38:32,533 How many planes will we lose? 1820 01:38:32,600 --> 01:38:35,166 20 to 25. 1821 01:38:35,233 --> 01:38:38,200 - How many casualties? - 50. 1822 01:38:38,266 --> 01:38:40,800 50 to 300 is my estimate. 1823 01:38:40,867 --> 01:38:42,333 And if the bombs miss, 1824 01:38:42,400 --> 01:38:44,166 it could go as high as 12,000, 1825 01:38:44,233 --> 01:38:46,100 with 50% of these civilians 1826 01:38:46,166 --> 01:38:48,133 and 50% of those killed. 1827 01:38:48,200 --> 01:38:51,700 Of course, we don't plan our strikes to miss our targets. 1828 01:38:54,633 --> 01:38:57,367 But they do miss sometimes. 1829 01:38:57,433 --> 01:39:00,400 And this time you could hit a Russian ship. 1830 01:39:00,467 --> 01:39:03,467 And the bomber pilot, it'll be a kid from Johnson City, Texas. 1831 01:39:03,533 --> 01:39:06,266 And that'll be the kid that starts World War III. 1832 01:39:06,333 --> 01:39:09,266 Thank you very much. 1833 01:39:09,333 --> 01:39:10,734 All right. 1834 01:39:12,266 --> 01:39:15,266 So what great things will result from this plan? 1835 01:39:15,333 --> 01:39:16,834 With no oil, 1836 01:39:16,900 --> 01:39:18,700 their entire infiltration effort 1837 01:39:18,767 --> 01:39:19,800 will grind to a halt, 1838 01:39:19,867 --> 01:39:22,266 from manufacturing to transportation. 1839 01:39:22,333 --> 01:39:25,133 Their war-making capability will be destroyed, 1840 01:39:25,200 --> 01:39:27,133 and they will have to negotiate. 1841 01:39:29,266 --> 01:39:30,400 Dean? 1842 01:39:33,567 --> 01:39:37,133 The Chinese and Soviets will step up aid. 1843 01:39:37,200 --> 01:39:40,500 And we could lose the support of Canada, Japan, 1844 01:39:40,567 --> 01:39:43,767 and the Chinese representation issue at the UN. 1845 01:39:43,834 --> 01:39:47,367 If a Russian ship is sunk, 1846 01:39:47,433 --> 01:39:49,667 we just don't know. 1847 01:39:49,734 --> 01:39:53,533 The Chinese may send in troops. 1848 01:39:53,600 --> 01:39:56,633 But as Bus said, this could end it. 1849 01:39:56,700 --> 01:39:58,033 What if it doesn't? 1850 01:39:58,100 --> 01:39:59,667 What if, by God's grace, 1851 01:39:59,734 --> 01:40:02,066 we don't have a million Chinese and nuclear war? 1852 01:40:02,133 --> 01:40:04,033 They still won't quit? 1853 01:40:04,100 --> 01:40:05,266 What will you be asking me to hit next? 1854 01:40:05,333 --> 01:40:10,533 Strategic targets closer to the center of Hanoi. 1855 01:40:10,600 --> 01:40:12,000 The Paul Doumer Bridge. 1856 01:40:12,066 --> 01:40:15,400 Four major rail lines cross it. 1857 01:40:15,467 --> 01:40:17,567 The power plant, industry, 1858 01:40:17,633 --> 01:40:21,200 all within five miles of downtown. 1859 01:40:24,200 --> 01:40:25,734 Bob, 1860 01:40:25,800 --> 01:40:27,667 are you for this? 1861 01:40:30,166 --> 01:40:31,667 It might work. 1862 01:40:31,734 --> 01:40:33,567 So you're for it. 1863 01:40:33,633 --> 01:40:36,000 - Uh, Mr. President. - Walt? 1864 01:40:36,066 --> 01:40:39,033 Since taking over for Mac Bundy, 1865 01:40:39,100 --> 01:40:41,467 I've had a chance to evaluate our bombing policy, 1866 01:40:41,533 --> 01:40:43,266 and, uh, well, I believe that 1867 01:40:43,333 --> 01:40:45,567 our continued delay in attacking Hanoi 1868 01:40:45,633 --> 01:40:48,734 is causing Russia and China to underestimate our resolve 1869 01:40:48,800 --> 01:40:52,600 and that that may actually encourage World War III. 1870 01:40:55,500 --> 01:40:58,333 Clark? 1871 01:40:58,400 --> 01:41:01,934 As always, I support any measure 1872 01:41:02,000 --> 01:41:04,200 that has a chance of ending this. 1873 01:41:07,133 --> 01:41:09,900 Anyone else? 1874 01:41:09,967 --> 01:41:12,900 George? Nothing to add? 1875 01:41:16,066 --> 01:41:18,066 This will not affect North Vietnamese manpower, 1876 01:41:18,133 --> 01:41:19,433 which has proved to be limitless. 1877 01:41:19,500 --> 01:41:23,133 It will be hard for the Russians and the Chinese to take. 1878 01:41:23,200 --> 01:41:24,533 I'm concerned, as always, 1879 01:41:24,600 --> 01:41:26,133 about the escalating level of violence, 1880 01:41:26,200 --> 01:41:30,233 but maybe this will finally satisfy the hawks in Congress. 1881 01:41:30,300 --> 01:41:31,900 If we have to do it, let's do it now. 1882 01:41:31,967 --> 01:41:33,333 You know, George, 1883 01:41:33,400 --> 01:41:36,734 you remind me of a country schoolteacher. 1884 01:41:36,800 --> 01:41:39,000 Asked if he believes the world is flat or round, 1885 01:41:39,066 --> 01:41:42,767 he says, "I can teach it either way." 1886 01:41:42,834 --> 01:41:44,934 Hmph. 1887 01:41:45,000 --> 01:41:46,133 Hmph. 1888 01:41:49,200 --> 01:41:50,767 How soon do we go? 1889 01:41:50,834 --> 01:41:53,033 ( piano playing, people chatting ) 1890 01:41:57,967 --> 01:41:59,600 It's the same as mine, you know. 1891 01:41:59,667 --> 01:42:02,567 I'd just as soon forget about those 13 days. 1892 01:42:02,633 --> 01:42:04,633 He had them made at Tiffany's, didn't he? 1893 01:42:04,700 --> 01:42:06,266 He gave one to Jackie, too. 1894 01:42:06,333 --> 01:42:08,166 She joked it's the only thing he ever gave her from there 1895 01:42:08,233 --> 01:42:10,633 that wasn't ordered straight out of their catalog. 1896 01:42:12,867 --> 01:42:13,967 A trying time. 1897 01:42:14,033 --> 01:42:15,166 You speak as if it's in the past. 1898 01:42:15,233 --> 01:42:16,734 What? 1899 01:42:16,800 --> 01:42:20,533 The trying time. 1900 01:42:23,467 --> 01:42:24,967 Thank you. 1901 01:42:33,667 --> 01:42:36,400 Dick. Clark. 1902 01:42:36,467 --> 01:42:38,500 ...Johnson wasn't much of a poker player, 1903 01:42:38,567 --> 01:42:41,767 but he loved the political conversation. 1904 01:42:41,834 --> 01:42:43,467 Can a whiskey convert a man, Clark? 1905 01:42:47,800 --> 01:42:49,266 Look at 'em. 1906 01:42:49,333 --> 01:42:51,767 You know what they remind me of? 1907 01:42:51,834 --> 01:42:53,567 A flock of buzzards sitting on a fence 1908 01:42:53,633 --> 01:42:55,767 discussing the price of carrion. 1909 01:42:55,834 --> 01:42:58,066 Buzzards. George. 1910 01:42:58,133 --> 01:43:00,700 You could have had Bundy's job. What was it, Clark? 1911 01:43:00,767 --> 01:43:01,800 You haven't socked away enough dough yet? 1912 01:43:01,867 --> 01:43:04,200 Oh, that's unbecoming of you, George. 1913 01:43:04,266 --> 01:43:05,667 The basement office? What? 1914 01:43:05,734 --> 01:43:07,567 You know I'd lose my freedom 1915 01:43:07,633 --> 01:43:09,600 to advise him on his presidency 1916 01:43:09,667 --> 01:43:11,967 if I took a cabinet post. 1917 01:43:12,033 --> 01:43:14,934 George, the president wants to get out of Vietnam 1918 01:43:15,000 --> 01:43:17,600 just as much as you do, in principle. 1919 01:43:17,667 --> 01:43:18,834 Principle? 1920 01:43:18,900 --> 01:43:20,467 There's a word that's been tossed about 1921 01:43:20,533 --> 01:43:22,400 more than a dollar whore in a port of call. 1922 01:43:22,467 --> 01:43:23,934 How's this for principle: 1923 01:43:24,000 --> 01:43:27,033 "150 more killed last week. What a waste." 1924 01:43:27,100 --> 01:43:28,266 You know who said that? 1925 01:43:28,333 --> 01:43:29,734 No. 1926 01:43:29,800 --> 01:43:31,400 McNamara. To me. 1927 01:43:31,467 --> 01:43:33,467 For all the principle around here, 1928 01:43:33,533 --> 01:43:36,266 we're in one hell of a mess, don't you think? 1929 01:43:37,700 --> 01:43:39,567 Look at him. 1930 01:43:39,633 --> 01:43:42,767 His wife's got an ulcer, his kid's got an ulcer. 1931 01:43:42,834 --> 01:43:47,734 Everybody's got Bob McNamara's ulcer but Bob McNamara. 1932 01:43:47,800 --> 01:43:51,333 Sometimes I think it's all just a goddamn academic exercise to him. 1933 01:43:51,400 --> 01:43:52,700 George, 1934 01:43:52,767 --> 01:43:55,700 you mustn't give up on this, George. 1935 01:43:55,767 --> 01:43:58,467 Oh, Christ, Clark! 1936 01:43:58,533 --> 01:43:59,934 Marny. 1937 01:44:00,033 --> 01:44:01,934 George. 1938 01:44:02,000 --> 01:44:04,033 Good evening, Mr. and Mrs. Clifford. How are you? 1939 01:44:04,100 --> 01:44:05,066 We're fine, dear. 1940 01:44:05,133 --> 01:44:06,467 I'd like you to meet Charles Robb. 1941 01:44:06,533 --> 01:44:07,867 Clark Clifford. 1942 01:44:07,934 --> 01:44:09,767 Anyone who still thinks we ought to be in Vietnam 1943 01:44:09,834 --> 01:44:11,367 should take a detour from work and drive by 1944 01:44:11,433 --> 01:44:13,567 Arlington Cemetery every day for a week. 1945 01:44:13,633 --> 01:44:14,867 I don't think I'd trust anyone 1946 01:44:14,934 --> 01:44:17,033 in a policy-making position to do that. 1947 01:44:17,100 --> 01:44:18,934 To do what, Bob? 1948 01:44:19,000 --> 01:44:20,533 To face the consequences of his counsel? 1949 01:44:20,600 --> 01:44:23,433 Who needed a reminder of what war was all about? 1950 01:44:23,500 --> 01:44:24,600 A reminder of what? 1951 01:44:24,667 --> 01:44:27,066 Our jobs in World War II, in the rear? 1952 01:44:27,133 --> 01:44:29,166 I pushed paper just like you, Walt. 1953 01:44:29,233 --> 01:44:30,633 We were all too damn smart. 1954 01:44:30,700 --> 01:44:33,000 I must've been sitting on my brains, then, up in that B-25. 1955 01:44:33,066 --> 01:44:35,166 Two years in prison camps. 1956 01:44:35,233 --> 01:44:37,133 That's right. Nick's the only one here who saw combat. 1957 01:44:37,200 --> 01:44:38,967 You were probably picking his targets, Walt. 1958 01:44:39,033 --> 01:44:41,467 As I remember, we won that war. 1959 01:44:41,533 --> 01:44:42,967 Yeah, well, you can tell that to the 50,000 1960 01:44:43,033 --> 01:44:44,467 dead men, women, and children of Dresden. 1961 01:44:44,533 --> 01:44:46,600 - Dresden-- - Is anyone ready for dinner? 1962 01:44:46,667 --> 01:44:49,266 Dresden was bombed for the rail lines. 1963 01:44:49,333 --> 01:44:51,967 Dresden was bombed to terrorize the hell out of those people, 1964 01:44:52,033 --> 01:44:54,867 which is precisely what our B-52s are doing in Vietnam. 1965 01:44:54,934 --> 01:44:56,967 And if this keeps up, in another year, 1966 01:44:57,033 --> 01:44:58,767 we'll have dropped more there than on all of Europe. 1967 01:44:58,834 --> 01:44:59,734 Isn't that right, Bob? 1968 01:44:59,800 --> 01:45:02,033 Let's go inside, darling. 1969 01:45:02,100 --> 01:45:04,600 Isn't that what you told me the other day? In private? 1970 01:45:04,667 --> 01:45:06,500 Among some other things? 1971 01:45:06,567 --> 01:45:09,100 Such as the fact that we've destroyed so much of that country, 1972 01:45:09,166 --> 01:45:12,400 they can't even grow enough rice to feed themselves, the rice bowl of the world. 1973 01:45:12,467 --> 01:45:14,834 - George. - We've created so many refugees 1974 01:45:14,900 --> 01:45:16,066 that if we had the same proportion 1975 01:45:16,133 --> 01:45:17,333 out of their homes in this country, 1976 01:45:17,400 --> 01:45:19,467 there'd be 30 million people on the streets. 1977 01:45:19,533 --> 01:45:20,567 Isn't that right? 1978 01:45:20,633 --> 01:45:23,567 Bob? Isn't that what you said? 1979 01:45:25,000 --> 01:45:27,266 What was it Tacitus said about the Romans at Carthage? 1980 01:45:30,900 --> 01:45:34,633 You have made a desert and call it peace. 1981 01:45:39,767 --> 01:45:42,734 If you still can't reach him, then get whosever on call. 1982 01:45:42,800 --> 01:45:44,367 We need a doctor here. 1983 01:45:45,767 --> 01:45:46,867 Christ, Marny. 1984 01:45:46,934 --> 01:45:49,166 I'll be all right. It was the liquor. 1985 01:45:52,767 --> 01:45:54,166 Hello. 1986 01:45:54,233 --> 01:45:56,433 Mr. Secretary, it's Major Wolfson of the Command Center. 1987 01:45:56,500 --> 01:45:57,800 We just got a call from CINCPAC 1988 01:45:57,867 --> 01:45:59,600 saying the weather around Hanoi has cleared 1989 01:45:59,667 --> 01:46:02,133 and the fighter-bombers are on their way. 1990 01:46:08,166 --> 01:46:09,734 Bob, it's me. 1991 01:46:09,800 --> 01:46:12,066 McNamara: Mr. President, the operations we discussed 1992 01:46:12,133 --> 01:46:13,700 will be going tonight. 1993 01:46:13,767 --> 01:46:16,266 They have perfect conditions. 1994 01:46:16,333 --> 01:46:17,867 Now-now, Bob, 1995 01:46:17,934 --> 01:46:20,467 these-these-these pilots 1996 01:46:20,533 --> 01:46:22,166 are said to be the cream. 1997 01:46:22,233 --> 01:46:25,266 They're the best the Navy and Air Force have, Mr. President, 1998 01:46:25,333 --> 01:46:27,967 and they know you're counting on them. 1999 01:46:28,033 --> 01:46:29,333 All right, Bob. Thank you. 2000 01:46:29,400 --> 01:46:31,967 I'm going to the Pentagon now. 2001 01:46:32,033 --> 01:46:34,266 I'll call as soon as I have word, Mr. President. 2002 01:46:34,333 --> 01:46:36,166 Thank you. 2003 01:46:44,433 --> 01:46:47,500 Forgive me for ventilating so freely. 2004 01:46:47,567 --> 01:46:48,767 I believe that you are only so worried 2005 01:46:48,834 --> 01:46:49,867 because you feel foolish 2006 01:46:49,934 --> 01:46:52,967 having waited so long to take this action. 2007 01:46:53,033 --> 01:46:55,066 If you did it a year ago, 2008 01:46:55,133 --> 01:46:57,266 instead of using kid gloves 2009 01:46:57,333 --> 01:46:59,934 and giving them an extra month in which to resupply, 2010 01:47:00,000 --> 01:47:01,867 it would have followed quite naturally. 2011 01:47:01,934 --> 01:47:04,266 But now it seems to you like one step too many. 2012 01:47:04,333 --> 01:47:06,867 The problem is, my good sir, 2013 01:47:06,934 --> 01:47:10,333 each step has been inches instead of yards. 2014 01:47:10,400 --> 01:47:13,533 We have been going to war by inches! 2015 01:47:13,600 --> 01:47:15,633 Tiptoeing apologetically 2016 01:47:15,700 --> 01:47:18,166 when we should be striding through 2017 01:47:18,233 --> 01:47:21,834 with our heads held high like Americans! 2018 01:47:22,900 --> 01:47:26,500 Why don't we hear from 'em?! 2019 01:47:33,567 --> 01:47:35,834 Yeah. Bob. 2020 01:47:35,900 --> 01:47:39,066 McNamara: Mr. President, they had some weather. 2021 01:47:39,133 --> 01:47:40,567 You said it was clear! 2022 01:47:40,633 --> 01:47:43,000 I'll call you the moment I know anything. 2023 01:47:43,066 --> 01:47:44,100 Johnson: Bob... 2024 01:47:44,166 --> 01:47:46,133 my life's in your hands here. 2025 01:47:46,200 --> 01:47:49,400 Yes, sir. 2026 01:49:56,934 --> 01:49:59,300 Our Father... 2027 01:50:01,300 --> 01:50:03,433 Our Father... 2028 01:50:05,400 --> 01:50:06,867 Our Father... 2029 01:50:06,934 --> 01:50:09,567 who art in heaven... 2030 01:50:09,633 --> 01:50:11,433 Who art in heaven. 2031 01:50:11,500 --> 01:50:13,367 Hallowed be thy name. 2032 01:50:13,433 --> 01:50:16,433 Johnson: Hallowed be thy name. 2033 01:50:16,500 --> 01:50:17,567 Well, if you admit her, 2034 01:50:17,633 --> 01:50:19,200 you could run some tests on her, can't you? 2035 01:50:19,266 --> 01:50:20,467 God damn it-- 2036 01:50:20,533 --> 01:50:22,000 Officer: Mr. Secretary, Exec-com on one. 2037 01:50:22,066 --> 01:50:25,567 You can see there that she's in a hell of a lot of pain. 2038 01:50:25,633 --> 01:50:28,600 - Thy kingdom come. - Thy kingdom come. 2039 01:50:28,667 --> 01:50:30,333 Pastor: Thy will be done. 2040 01:50:36,367 --> 01:50:38,133 I'm sorry. 2041 01:50:38,200 --> 01:50:40,367 - On earth... - I'm sorry. 2042 01:50:40,433 --> 01:50:42,133 - On earth... - On earth... 2043 01:50:42,200 --> 01:50:46,433 - As it is in heaven. - As it is in heaven. 2044 01:50:49,033 --> 01:50:52,200 - Give us this day... - Give us this day... 2045 01:50:52,266 --> 01:50:56,333 - ...our daily bread. - ...our daily bread. 2046 01:50:56,400 --> 01:50:59,600 Pastor: And forgive us our trespasses. 2047 01:50:59,667 --> 01:51:02,233 Johnson: And forgive us our trespasses. 2048 01:51:02,300 --> 01:51:05,934 Pastor: As we forgive those who trespass against us. 2049 01:51:06,000 --> 01:51:09,934 As we forgive those who trespass against us. 2050 01:51:10,000 --> 01:51:12,667 Pastor: Lead us not into temptation. 2051 01:51:12,734 --> 01:51:15,333 Johnson: Lead us not into temptation. 2052 01:51:15,400 --> 01:51:19,700 But deliver us from evil. 2053 01:51:21,800 --> 01:51:23,333 Deliver us from evil. 2054 01:51:23,400 --> 01:51:24,700 Pastor: Amen. 2055 01:51:24,767 --> 01:51:26,133 Johnson: Amen. 2056 01:51:53,266 --> 01:51:56,166 ( voice on walkie-talkie, indistinct ) 2057 01:52:12,767 --> 01:52:14,000 Go ahead. 2058 01:52:14,066 --> 01:52:16,433 Mr. President, I just talked with Honolulu. 2059 01:52:16,500 --> 01:52:20,600 All the primaries were hit, and no ships were struck. 2060 01:52:20,667 --> 01:52:25,066 Now, we did lose two aircraft to antiair. 2061 01:52:25,133 --> 01:52:26,166 No Russian ships? 2062 01:52:26,233 --> 01:52:28,433 We didn't hit any Russian ships? 2063 01:52:28,500 --> 01:52:32,400 No, but as I say, two pilots are down. 2064 01:52:32,467 --> 01:52:35,033 I won't know about civilian causalities until we have the photos. 2065 01:52:35,100 --> 01:52:38,300 Now, if the weather holds, we can send the RFs in 2066 01:52:38,367 --> 01:52:39,800 to see just what collateral damage-- 2067 01:52:39,867 --> 01:52:41,567 All right, Bob. Thank you. 2068 01:52:41,633 --> 01:52:43,934 Thank you. 2069 01:52:46,767 --> 01:52:49,433 Man, on TV: Pentagon sources tell "CBS News" 2070 01:52:49,500 --> 01:52:51,200 that General Westmoreland has been granted 2071 01:52:51,266 --> 01:52:54,033 even great authority over the use of B-52s 2072 01:52:54,100 --> 01:52:57,367 in Vietcong-controlled areas in the south. 2073 01:52:57,433 --> 01:53:00,266 With the recent escalation of bombing over North Vietnam 2074 01:53:00,333 --> 01:53:02,600 aimed at destroying the heart of the enemy's 2075 01:53:02,667 --> 01:53:04,867 urban industrial capacity, 2076 01:53:04,934 --> 01:53:06,834 the U.S. clearly wants to force a change 2077 01:53:06,900 --> 01:53:09,467 in Hanoi's will to continue the war. 2078 01:53:09,533 --> 01:53:12,467 Last year, the rate of Rolling Thunder missions flown 2079 01:53:12,533 --> 01:53:15,100 reached 1,500 per week. 2080 01:53:15,166 --> 01:53:17,500 Since then the rate of sorties has doubled. 2081 01:53:17,567 --> 01:53:20,367 Mr. President, it appears that the air strikes 2082 01:53:20,433 --> 01:53:24,467 have had no effect on the enemy's war-making capability. 2083 01:53:24,533 --> 01:53:26,467 The attacks were not successful? 2084 01:53:26,533 --> 01:53:29,333 Well, while we did destroy nearly 100% 2085 01:53:29,400 --> 01:53:31,300 of their oil storage capacity 2086 01:53:31,367 --> 01:53:34,734 in our follow-up attacks throughout the summer, 2087 01:53:34,800 --> 01:53:37,233 a large portion of their stock was put into barrels 2088 01:53:37,300 --> 01:53:39,867 and dispersed in anticipation of our strikes. 2089 01:53:39,934 --> 01:53:42,500 They've retained enough to meet ongoing requirements. 2090 01:53:42,567 --> 01:53:44,467 Their buildup is continuing. 2091 01:53:44,533 --> 01:53:47,700 And Westmoreland is requesting additional men. 2092 01:53:47,767 --> 01:53:49,367 How many? 2093 01:53:49,433 --> 01:53:51,400 The Program Three forces will bring us up 2094 01:53:51,467 --> 01:53:55,300 to 431,000 by the middle of '67. 2095 01:53:56,767 --> 01:53:58,000 What about the bombing? 2096 01:53:58,066 --> 01:54:01,867 We're looking at heavier B-52 strikes in the southern DMZ, 2097 01:54:01,934 --> 01:54:05,967 and in North Vietnam, targets in the restricted zones. 2098 01:54:06,033 --> 01:54:07,433 Downtown Hanoi. 2099 01:54:07,500 --> 01:54:09,000 Yes, sir, and Haiphong, 2100 01:54:09,066 --> 01:54:11,100 and in the buffer zone with China. 2101 01:54:11,166 --> 01:54:12,467 The good news, Mr. President, 2102 01:54:12,533 --> 01:54:13,734 is that the naysayers were wrong. 2103 01:54:13,800 --> 01:54:16,200 Peking and Moscow stood still, 2104 01:54:16,266 --> 01:54:18,033 and they will very likely stand still 2105 01:54:18,100 --> 01:54:20,133 even with intensified activity. 2106 01:54:20,200 --> 01:54:23,900 Hmm. 2107 01:54:23,967 --> 01:54:27,066 Are you recommending some of these new targets for me today? 2108 01:54:27,133 --> 01:54:30,500 Yes, I am. You have the evaluation sheets before you. 2109 01:54:30,567 --> 01:54:32,200 I have some photographs here. 2110 01:54:32,266 --> 01:54:35,767 Number 72: the Van Dien truck depot. 2111 01:54:35,834 --> 01:54:38,900 That the one with the school up the street? 2112 01:54:43,333 --> 01:54:47,133 As a matter of fact, yes, the Polish Friendship School 2113 01:54:47,200 --> 01:54:49,166 across the highway, a half a mile up. 2114 01:54:49,233 --> 01:54:51,867 Mr. President, as you may recall, 2115 01:54:51,934 --> 01:54:53,300 in order to avoid a tax increase, 2116 01:54:53,367 --> 01:54:56,633 we did not budget for the war beyond this fiscal year, 2117 01:54:56,700 --> 01:54:59,166 which has cost us 20 billion 2118 01:54:59,233 --> 01:55:02,333 as opposed to the 12 billion projected. 2119 01:55:05,000 --> 01:55:08,333 We are over by eight billion? 2120 01:55:08,400 --> 01:55:10,266 Eight billion? 2121 01:55:13,133 --> 01:55:17,400 Mr. President, if you approve these new forces, 2122 01:55:17,467 --> 01:55:19,633 constraints on domestic programs 2123 01:55:19,700 --> 01:55:22,533 will no longer be avoidable. 2124 01:55:22,600 --> 01:55:25,033 It's all in a memo I sent over to you today 2125 01:55:25,100 --> 01:55:28,033 along with some recommendations. 2126 01:55:35,133 --> 01:55:36,266 Joe. 2127 01:55:36,333 --> 01:55:40,333 I want to start working on the State of the Union. 2128 01:55:43,500 --> 01:55:46,200 You sit down with Bob and Walt and Fowler. 2129 01:55:46,266 --> 01:55:48,500 Yes, Mr. President. 2130 01:55:52,600 --> 01:55:54,834 There's to be no mention of the Great Society! 2131 01:56:10,400 --> 01:56:11,934 What is it you're looking for? 2132 01:56:12,000 --> 01:56:13,834 Undersecretary of state? 2133 01:56:13,900 --> 01:56:17,433 I'll change the title to the Holy Roman Emperor, right? 2134 01:56:17,500 --> 01:56:22,800 No, this is the best way I can serve your presidency. 2135 01:56:22,867 --> 01:56:27,000 And I think Dean Rusk would feel undercut 2136 01:56:27,066 --> 01:56:29,700 if you were to fill George Ball's job 2137 01:56:29,767 --> 01:56:32,300 with a personal friend of yours. 2138 01:56:32,367 --> 01:56:34,233 I don't give a rat's ass what Rusk feels! 2139 01:56:34,300 --> 01:56:36,433 I need you in that room, Clark. 2140 01:56:36,500 --> 01:56:39,233 I need someone like George with an ability to reason and argue. 2141 01:56:39,300 --> 01:56:40,700 A devil's advocate. 2142 01:56:40,767 --> 01:56:44,500 George Ball was not playing devil's advocate. 2143 01:56:44,567 --> 01:56:48,000 He believes every word he says. 2144 01:56:49,767 --> 01:56:51,500 All right. 2145 01:56:51,567 --> 01:56:52,934 All right. 2146 01:56:57,567 --> 01:56:59,367 Moyers wants the job. 2147 01:56:59,433 --> 01:57:02,567 My press man thinks if I make him number two at State, 2148 01:57:02,633 --> 01:57:05,433 I'll all of a sudden give a shit what he thinks about Vietnam. 2149 01:57:06,600 --> 01:57:09,533 And McNamara. McNamara sends me a paper. 2150 01:57:09,600 --> 01:57:12,133 Says we should cap the troops, level off the bombing. 2151 01:57:12,200 --> 01:57:14,033 You know what happens if I stop bombing? 2152 01:57:14,100 --> 01:57:17,166 Ho Chi Minh runs five more divisions up my ass, 2153 01:57:17,233 --> 01:57:19,734 that's what happens! 2154 01:57:19,800 --> 01:57:22,633 It was McNamara's program, the whole thing. 2155 01:57:22,700 --> 01:57:24,900 Now he's talking up a shitstorm with Bobby. 2156 01:57:24,967 --> 01:57:25,867 You don't know that. 2157 01:57:25,934 --> 01:57:27,667 I know everything. 2158 01:57:27,734 --> 01:57:30,934 I know who's saying what at those fancy Georgetown dinner parties. 2159 01:57:31,000 --> 01:57:33,767 I know 'cause I had Hoover put a couple of boys there, too. 2160 01:57:33,834 --> 01:57:35,033 I know. 2161 01:57:35,100 --> 01:57:37,633 What they say doesn't matter. 2162 01:57:37,700 --> 01:57:40,100 You're not helpless in this situation. 2163 01:57:40,166 --> 01:57:42,133 Your approval ratings are down. 2164 01:57:42,200 --> 01:57:46,834 You need to go out there on the stump and sell the truth. 2165 01:57:46,900 --> 01:57:48,700 Westmoreland is now saying 2166 01:57:48,767 --> 01:57:53,266 that a Communist military victory is impossible. 2167 01:57:53,333 --> 01:57:56,033 You're finally winning in Vietnam. 2168 01:57:56,100 --> 01:57:57,867 We're winning, but we're losing. 2169 01:57:57,934 --> 01:58:00,066 We're killing 'em, and we're losing. 2170 01:58:00,133 --> 01:58:04,700 We're losing because this war goes on and on and on! 2171 01:58:04,767 --> 01:58:06,367 I passed twice the number of bills 2172 01:58:06,433 --> 01:58:08,333 FDR got through in his first hundred days. 2173 01:58:08,400 --> 01:58:11,066 200 in the last two years! 2174 01:58:11,133 --> 01:58:13,967 There's never been an era in American history like this, 2175 01:58:14,033 --> 01:58:17,467 yet there's so much left to do. 2176 01:58:17,533 --> 01:58:21,734 But this war has got to end! 2177 01:58:21,800 --> 01:58:25,433 Five years pussyfooting about in that miserable little country. 2178 01:58:25,500 --> 01:58:27,800 $2 billion a month! 2179 01:58:27,867 --> 01:58:30,767 We could be feeding these people, educating these people! 2180 01:58:30,834 --> 01:58:34,066 God damn it! Why won't that son of a bitch let me help him? 2181 01:58:34,133 --> 01:58:35,567 Why? 2182 01:58:35,633 --> 01:58:37,033 Why won't he lay down his arms 2183 01:58:37,100 --> 01:58:42,266 and stop killing off his sons in the flower of their youth? 2184 01:58:42,333 --> 01:58:44,367 I do not understand. 2185 01:58:44,433 --> 01:58:47,533 I just do not understand. 2186 01:58:51,000 --> 01:58:54,333 Mr. President... 2187 01:58:54,400 --> 01:58:56,800 Moyers. Get me Moyers. 2188 01:58:56,867 --> 01:59:00,066 And get me General Westmoreland on the other line. 2189 01:59:00,133 --> 01:59:01,300 Can I help you, Mr. President? 2190 01:59:01,367 --> 01:59:04,266 Get your bags packed. 2191 01:59:05,967 --> 01:59:10,300 Call the press together. We're going to Vietnam. 2192 01:59:22,834 --> 01:59:25,000 Dean? 2193 01:59:28,433 --> 01:59:30,166 Are they ours? 2194 01:59:30,233 --> 01:59:31,667 I fucking hope so. 2195 01:59:41,000 --> 01:59:43,800 ( band plays "Hail to the Chief" ) 2196 02:00:13,633 --> 02:00:17,000 Soldier: Present arms! 2197 02:00:19,300 --> 02:00:22,600 Order... hut! 2198 02:01:02,633 --> 02:01:04,533 Oh. 2199 02:01:14,333 --> 02:01:15,734 Where you from, son? 2200 02:01:15,800 --> 02:01:16,967 Louisville, Kentucky, sir. 2201 02:01:17,033 --> 02:01:19,000 - Kentucky? - Yes, sir. 2202 02:01:19,066 --> 02:01:20,800 Have you reached majority age yet, Corporal? 2203 02:01:20,867 --> 02:01:23,133 I was 21 last month, sir. 2204 02:01:23,200 --> 02:01:26,266 My mom and my girl sent me a big old chocolate cake, and it came just in time, sir. 2205 02:01:26,333 --> 02:01:29,834 - Good. Bill, get 'em out. - Yes, Mr. President. 2206 02:01:29,900 --> 02:01:33,166 Well, they've given me the honor, Corporal McCaffrey, 2207 02:01:33,233 --> 02:01:37,066 of pinning you with this Purple Heart here. 2208 02:01:37,133 --> 02:01:38,400 There. 2209 02:01:38,467 --> 02:01:39,967 You'll be home right soon, 2210 02:01:40,033 --> 02:01:41,100 and on the first Tuesday of November, 2211 02:01:41,166 --> 02:01:42,867 you got a congressional election. 2212 02:01:42,934 --> 02:01:45,133 I want you to vote. 2213 02:01:45,200 --> 02:01:46,800 Yes, sir. 2214 02:01:46,867 --> 02:01:49,600 You'll be able to get to your polling place? 2215 02:01:49,667 --> 02:01:51,700 I don't know where it is, but I'll get a ride, sir. 2216 02:01:51,767 --> 02:01:54,266 All right. 2217 02:01:56,600 --> 02:01:57,667 Make sure you vote now. 2218 02:01:57,734 --> 02:01:59,667 Yes, sir. 2219 02:02:01,700 --> 02:02:04,400 We're all behind you, sir. 2220 02:02:04,467 --> 02:02:07,333 Every one of us. 2221 02:02:07,400 --> 02:02:10,767 We won't let you down. 2222 02:02:10,834 --> 02:02:11,700 All right, son. 2223 02:02:11,767 --> 02:02:14,834 Thank you. 2224 02:02:14,900 --> 02:02:17,033 And I won't let you down! 2225 02:02:17,100 --> 02:02:19,967 You'll get everything you need. 2226 02:02:20,033 --> 02:02:23,333 I thank you. I salute you. 2227 02:02:23,400 --> 02:02:26,033 May the good Lord look over you and keep you safe 2228 02:02:26,100 --> 02:02:29,266 until you come home and nail that coonskin to the wall. 2229 02:02:29,333 --> 02:02:32,367 Three cheers for the president! Hip hip... 2230 02:02:32,433 --> 02:02:33,667 Hooray! 2231 02:02:33,734 --> 02:02:34,667 - Hip hip... - Hooray! 2232 02:02:34,734 --> 02:02:37,000 - Hip hip... - Hooray! 2233 02:03:32,300 --> 02:03:34,834 Certainly the bombing of the north 2234 02:03:34,900 --> 02:03:37,100 makes the war more costly and more difficult 2235 02:03:37,166 --> 02:03:40,333 and more painful for North Vietnam. 2236 02:03:40,400 --> 02:03:42,967 It is a harsh punishment indeed. 2237 02:03:43,033 --> 02:03:45,867 But we are not in Vietnam to play the part 2238 02:03:45,934 --> 02:03:48,333 of an avenging angel pouring death and destruction. 2239 02:03:48,400 --> 02:03:52,667 Kennedy, McCarthy 2240 02:03:52,734 --> 02:03:55,367 haven't done a thing for this country! 2241 02:03:55,433 --> 02:03:57,767 Not a fucking thing! 2242 02:03:57,834 --> 02:04:00,100 And look at all I've done! 2243 02:04:00,166 --> 02:04:01,934 Kennedy: It should be clear by now that the bombing of the north 2244 02:04:02,000 --> 02:04:05,233 cannot bring an end to the war in the south 2245 02:04:05,300 --> 02:04:06,934 and that indeed at the present time 2246 02:04:07,000 --> 02:04:09,767 it may well be prolonging that war. 2247 02:04:09,834 --> 02:04:11,100 Our troops are being killed 2248 02:04:11,166 --> 02:04:13,934 by the bullets and the mines of the south. 2249 02:04:14,000 --> 02:04:15,834 If by ending the bombing of the north, 2250 02:04:15,900 --> 02:04:18,433 we can bring peace to South Vietnam, 2251 02:04:18,500 --> 02:04:20,667 we will save the lives of thousands of... 2252 02:04:20,734 --> 02:04:22,767 I don't know why you're worried about Kennedy 2253 02:04:22,834 --> 02:04:25,467 and your second term. 2254 02:04:25,533 --> 02:04:26,800 Because I don't think your health 2255 02:04:26,867 --> 02:04:29,867 will survive your first term. 2256 02:04:29,934 --> 02:04:31,867 Where you going? 2257 02:04:31,934 --> 02:04:33,600 I want to be useful to you. 2258 02:04:33,667 --> 02:04:35,800 And I would listen even as you rant and rave, 2259 02:04:35,867 --> 02:04:37,467 but I have worked far too hard 2260 02:04:37,533 --> 02:04:41,533 and borne far too much to watch you destroy yourself. 2261 02:04:47,500 --> 02:04:50,333 Kennedy: ...major political elements of South Vietnam 2262 02:04:50,400 --> 02:04:53,633 to participate in their choice of leadership... 2263 02:04:56,800 --> 02:04:59,667 The bridge is a major target, and we've never hit it. 2264 02:04:59,734 --> 02:05:02,266 The chance of civilian deaths will be almost zero. 2265 02:05:02,333 --> 02:05:04,700 I say 100 to 500, possibly more. 2266 02:05:04,767 --> 02:05:06,600 Which is it, 500 or zero? 2267 02:05:06,667 --> 02:05:09,000 Mr. President, the Stennis Committee is up in arms 2268 02:05:09,066 --> 02:05:11,066 over our holding back on these targets. 2269 02:05:11,133 --> 02:05:12,700 Bob's testimony is coming up, 2270 02:05:12,767 --> 02:05:14,200 and it might take some heat off him 2271 02:05:14,266 --> 02:05:16,734 if some of these can be cleared up before his appearance. 2272 02:05:16,800 --> 02:05:19,066 I can take the heat without padding my resume 2273 02:05:19,133 --> 02:05:20,233 with more bombing missions. 2274 02:05:20,300 --> 02:05:21,633 This is a heavily defended target 2275 02:05:21,700 --> 02:05:23,467 in a very populated area. 2276 02:05:23,533 --> 02:05:25,300 The photos are right here, Mr. President. 2277 02:05:25,367 --> 02:05:26,433 McNamara: The photos are meaningless. 2278 02:05:26,500 --> 02:05:28,367 The target is heavily defended. 2279 02:05:28,433 --> 02:05:29,467 The pilots jettison their bombs 2280 02:05:29,533 --> 02:05:30,834 when they're under attack. 2281 02:05:30,900 --> 02:05:32,233 Now, I've been asking for two years 2282 02:05:32,300 --> 02:05:33,834 why they don't come straight up the river. 2283 02:05:33,900 --> 02:05:35,066 That way, if they dump the bombs, 2284 02:05:35,133 --> 02:05:36,567 they go in the water and not on the people, 2285 02:05:36,633 --> 02:05:38,000 and I still haven't got an answer. 2286 02:05:38,066 --> 02:05:40,633 Coming in from the gulf involves an extra turn, 2287 02:05:40,700 --> 02:05:43,000 with our backs to those heavy defenses. 2288 02:05:43,066 --> 02:05:46,934 If it is so well defended, should we risk the pilots? 2289 02:05:47,000 --> 02:05:49,533 Wheeler: Men dying is a relative thing. 2290 02:05:49,600 --> 02:05:52,333 The effect of the air campaign is cumulative. 2291 02:05:52,400 --> 02:05:55,200 Every blow makes the enemy stretch his resources. 2292 02:05:55,266 --> 02:05:57,567 Stretching is a relative thing. 2293 02:05:57,633 --> 02:06:00,433 Mr. President, we shouldn't be bombing for punitive reasons, 2294 02:06:00,500 --> 02:06:01,934 but there just doesn't seem any point to this anymore! 2295 02:06:02,000 --> 02:06:03,500 Hit it! 2296 02:06:03,567 --> 02:06:05,233 Hit the goddamn bridge. 2297 02:06:05,300 --> 02:06:07,200 What's next? 2298 02:06:07,266 --> 02:06:11,600 Rostow: Uh, number 309, sir, the, uh, railcar repair shop. 2299 02:06:15,433 --> 02:06:17,100 Marg? 2300 02:06:19,867 --> 02:06:21,200 Marg? 2301 02:06:22,266 --> 02:06:24,834 Oh, Jesus. Oh, Jesus. 2302 02:06:24,900 --> 02:06:27,266 Come to me. Come on. 2303 02:06:27,333 --> 02:06:31,433 I got you. I got you. I got you. I got you. 2304 02:06:43,500 --> 02:06:45,867 I don't know what I'm gonna do, Marg. 2305 02:06:48,700 --> 02:06:50,500 Rostow, the chiefs, 2306 02:06:50,567 --> 02:06:53,066 they're gonna drive this thing straight to hell. 2307 02:07:42,367 --> 02:07:44,934 - I won't be long. - Okay. 2308 02:08:31,667 --> 02:08:33,200 Protestors: One, two, three, four, 2309 02:08:33,266 --> 02:08:35,400 we don't want your fucking war! 2310 02:08:35,467 --> 02:08:37,033 One, two, three, four, 2311 02:08:37,100 --> 02:08:39,266 we don't want your fucking war! 2312 02:08:39,333 --> 02:08:41,100 One, two, three, four, 2313 02:08:41,166 --> 02:08:43,133 we don't want your fucking war! 2314 02:08:43,200 --> 02:08:45,066 One, two, three, four, 2315 02:08:45,133 --> 02:08:47,033 we don't want your fucking war! 2316 02:08:47,100 --> 02:08:48,967 One, two, three, four, 2317 02:08:49,033 --> 02:08:50,967 we don't want your fucking war! 2318 02:08:51,033 --> 02:08:52,867 One, two, three, four, 2319 02:08:52,934 --> 02:08:54,934 we don't want your fucking war! 2320 02:08:55,000 --> 02:08:56,300 One, two, three, four... 2321 02:08:56,367 --> 02:09:00,133 Hey, hey, LBJ! How many kids did you kill today? 2322 02:09:00,200 --> 02:09:03,867 Hey, hey, LBJ! How many kids did you kill today? 2323 02:09:03,934 --> 02:09:07,333 Hey, hey, LBJ! How many kids did you kill today? 2324 02:09:07,400 --> 02:09:10,500 Hey, hey, LBJ! How many kids did you kill today? 2325 02:09:10,567 --> 02:09:14,433 Officer: All right, take formation, spread out! 2326 02:09:14,500 --> 02:09:16,467 Protestors: Stop the war in Vietnam! 2327 02:09:16,533 --> 02:09:18,200 Bring the troops home now! 2328 02:09:18,266 --> 02:09:20,166 Stop the war in Vietnam! 2329 02:09:20,233 --> 02:09:22,734 Bring the troops home now! 2330 02:09:22,800 --> 02:09:25,433 Let's go! Let's go! File in, move it up! 2331 02:09:25,500 --> 02:09:27,467 Protestors: Hell, no! We won't go! 2332 02:09:27,533 --> 02:09:29,433 Hell, no! We won't go! 2333 02:09:29,500 --> 02:09:31,233 Hell, no! We won't go! 2334 02:09:31,300 --> 02:09:33,166 Hell, no! We won't go! 2335 02:09:33,233 --> 02:09:36,300 No rifle is to be loaded without my permission. 2336 02:09:36,367 --> 02:09:38,400 I'll have the commanders go down the line again. 2337 02:09:38,467 --> 02:09:40,233 Not one bullet, damn it! 2338 02:10:09,200 --> 02:10:11,867 Get off me! Let me go! 2339 02:10:11,934 --> 02:10:15,100 Let me go! Just let me go! 2340 02:10:17,500 --> 02:10:20,000 Look at that. 2341 02:10:22,934 --> 02:10:25,900 There he is! There's McNamara! 2342 02:10:25,967 --> 02:10:28,200 There's McNamara! 2343 02:10:43,734 --> 02:10:46,734 Stennis: Secretary McNamara, on behalf of the subcommittee, 2344 02:10:46,800 --> 02:10:50,100 let me thank you for your appearance here today. 2345 02:10:50,166 --> 02:10:55,033 I have, from the beginning, and do today, 2346 02:10:55,100 --> 02:10:59,233 fully support the objectives of the bombing 2347 02:10:59,300 --> 02:11:01,900 to interdict men and supplies 2348 02:11:01,967 --> 02:11:04,667 and hinder the enemy's ability to wage war in the south. 2349 02:11:04,734 --> 02:11:09,367 In this I am 100% behind the joint chiefs, 2350 02:11:09,433 --> 02:11:10,900 Admiral Sharp, 2351 02:11:10,967 --> 02:11:13,867 General Westmoreland and his commanders, 2352 02:11:13,934 --> 02:11:16,266 as they are fully aware 2353 02:11:16,333 --> 02:11:18,333 and as the president is aware. 2354 02:11:18,400 --> 02:11:22,166 We are all greatly encouraged to hear that, Mr. Secretary. 2355 02:11:22,233 --> 02:11:25,700 You are the last to testify, as you know, 2356 02:11:25,767 --> 02:11:28,633 and the overwhelming view 2357 02:11:28,700 --> 02:11:30,200 from General Wheeler and the others 2358 02:11:30,266 --> 02:11:33,800 is that there has been excessive interference from your office-- 2359 02:11:33,867 --> 02:11:36,967 If I'd be permitted to finish my statement, Senator Stennis. 2360 02:11:37,033 --> 02:11:40,333 There are copies available outside the hearing room. 2361 02:11:40,400 --> 02:11:44,600 Our greater objective, however, was, and remains, 2362 02:11:44,667 --> 02:11:46,800 to persuade the leaders of North Vietnam 2363 02:11:46,867 --> 02:11:49,500 that they cannot prevail. 2364 02:11:49,567 --> 02:11:52,700 In this we have been unsuccessful. 2365 02:11:52,767 --> 02:11:55,066 This is due to the fact that North Vietnam 2366 02:11:55,133 --> 02:11:57,400 can sustain its forces in the south 2367 02:11:57,467 --> 02:12:00,533 with a mere 100 tons of supplies a day, 2368 02:12:00,600 --> 02:12:02,500 85 of which they can acquire 2369 02:12:02,567 --> 02:12:06,467 through corrupt elements in the South Vietnamese government. 2370 02:12:06,533 --> 02:12:09,600 Out of 359 targets recommended by the chiefs, 2371 02:12:09,667 --> 02:12:11,700 only 57 remain unstruck. 2372 02:12:11,767 --> 02:12:14,100 Two are battery plants 2373 02:12:14,166 --> 02:12:17,100 manufacturing a total of 600 tons a year, 2374 02:12:17,166 --> 02:12:20,500 not enough to fill the corner of a Sears-Roebuck regional warehouse. 2375 02:12:20,567 --> 02:12:22,433 Just a moment, Mr. Secretary. 2376 02:12:22,500 --> 02:12:25,133 There's a rubber plant producing 30 tires a day. 2377 02:12:25,200 --> 02:12:27,533 The service station where I fill my car 2378 02:12:27,600 --> 02:12:29,100 could supply the output of this facility. 2379 02:12:29,166 --> 02:12:33,166 Hitting these targets will cost us in pilots, 2380 02:12:33,233 --> 02:12:35,834 planes and hard cash, 2381 02:12:35,900 --> 02:12:39,967 and they will kill more and more civilians. 2382 02:12:40,033 --> 02:12:42,700 The military knows this. 2383 02:12:42,767 --> 02:12:45,166 They think it's worth it. 2384 02:12:45,233 --> 02:12:46,800 I do not. 2385 02:12:48,400 --> 02:12:49,934 Stennis: Order! 2386 02:12:50,000 --> 02:12:51,567 You know what he did to me out there? 2387 02:12:51,633 --> 02:12:52,834 It's like selling your house 2388 02:12:52,900 --> 02:12:54,533 and your son takes the buyer aside 2389 02:12:54,600 --> 02:12:57,200 and tells him there's leaks in the basement. 2390 02:12:57,266 --> 02:13:00,500 Now Hanoi knows we're divided, and they'll never stop. 2391 02:13:00,567 --> 02:13:02,333 I've gotta get rid of that son of a bitch. 2392 02:13:02,400 --> 02:13:05,033 You can't just get rid of him. 2393 02:13:05,100 --> 02:13:06,934 The Republicans will play up the disunity. 2394 02:13:07,000 --> 02:13:08,500 Bobby will have a field day. 2395 02:13:08,567 --> 02:13:10,700 Bobby's clamoring for him to resign, don't you know, 2396 02:13:10,767 --> 02:13:13,900 to go public against me for doing what he advised! 2397 02:13:13,967 --> 02:13:16,734 Look, we'll find a job for McNamara 2398 02:13:16,800 --> 02:13:18,767 where he won't be able to snipe at you. 2399 02:13:18,834 --> 02:13:21,233 I'll help you fill his post with someone you can trust. 2400 02:13:21,300 --> 02:13:23,934 I'll do anything I can for you, Mr. President. 2401 02:13:24,000 --> 02:13:26,600 But we have a reelection campaign to start, 2402 02:13:26,667 --> 02:13:29,667 and you do not have a policy to end this war. 2403 02:13:32,133 --> 02:13:36,667 Clark, you'll do anything you can? 2404 02:13:44,834 --> 02:13:46,633 They're ready for you, Mr. President. 2405 02:13:46,700 --> 02:13:49,567 Yeah. I'll be out in a minute. 2406 02:13:49,633 --> 02:13:51,467 Sit down, Bob. 2407 02:13:56,934 --> 02:13:59,600 I'm sorry you found out from the "Washington Post." 2408 02:13:59,667 --> 02:14:03,200 I'm sure Fowler told you, or the bank people. 2409 02:14:03,266 --> 02:14:05,266 Nobody told me anything, Mr. President. 2410 02:14:05,333 --> 02:14:08,033 I, uh, mentioned to you in the spring 2411 02:14:08,100 --> 02:14:09,567 that I'd been approached by the World Bank, 2412 02:14:09,633 --> 02:14:12,333 but I thought if you were going to nominate me, 2413 02:14:12,400 --> 02:14:14,867 you would have said something yourself. 2414 02:14:14,934 --> 02:14:17,700 Doing fine work there. Humanitarian work. 2415 02:14:17,767 --> 02:14:19,000 I know that's of interest to you. 2416 02:14:19,066 --> 02:14:22,000 Yes, but only if it's what you want. 2417 02:14:22,066 --> 02:14:24,333 If I can no longer be of service-- 2418 02:14:24,400 --> 02:14:26,000 Service? 2419 02:14:26,066 --> 02:14:28,834 Who's been of more service to me than you? 2420 02:14:28,900 --> 02:14:31,867 Why, you've served longer than any defense secretary in history. 2421 02:14:31,934 --> 02:14:34,033 Look what you've had to shepherd us through. 2422 02:14:34,100 --> 02:14:36,800 The Cuban crisis-- two Cuban crisises, 2423 02:14:36,867 --> 02:14:39,400 Berlin, Dominican, Middle East. 2424 02:14:39,467 --> 02:14:42,567 Hell, ha, that's a tough enough job in peacetime. 2425 02:14:42,633 --> 02:14:45,467 And look what you've had to deal with. 2426 02:14:45,533 --> 02:14:48,033 Mr. President, 2427 02:14:48,100 --> 02:14:50,133 the point is... 2428 02:14:50,200 --> 02:14:55,333 I don't have to leave until you want me to leave. 2429 02:14:55,400 --> 02:14:57,066 Bob, 2430 02:14:57,133 --> 02:14:59,700 Joe Fowler asked me for three nominees. 2431 02:14:59,767 --> 02:15:02,567 I said I only got one: McNamara. 2432 02:15:02,633 --> 02:15:05,367 There were tears in the treasury secretary's eyes 2433 02:15:05,433 --> 02:15:07,700 'cause he was hoping he'd be my choice. 2434 02:15:07,767 --> 02:15:09,700 And with tears in his eyes, 2435 02:15:09,767 --> 02:15:12,467 he said he had to submit three names to the bank. 2436 02:15:12,533 --> 02:15:16,333 I said, "Okay. McNamara, McNamara, and McNamara." 2437 02:15:16,400 --> 02:15:17,734 You ask him. 2438 02:15:17,800 --> 02:15:21,233 Now, the bank directors vote today, 2439 02:15:21,300 --> 02:15:24,200 but it's, uh, it's just a formality. 2440 02:15:24,266 --> 02:15:26,867 Now, Bob, I better get over 2441 02:15:26,934 --> 02:15:29,433 to Lady Bird's beautification awards. 2442 02:15:29,500 --> 02:15:31,033 It's important to her. 2443 02:15:31,100 --> 02:15:34,100 Your wife's the same with her reading program, I know. 2444 02:15:34,166 --> 02:15:37,300 Yes, although with her condition, 2445 02:15:37,367 --> 02:15:38,500 it's been difficult. 2446 02:15:38,567 --> 02:15:41,567 No improvement since surgery? 2447 02:15:41,633 --> 02:15:45,767 My son, uh... 2448 02:15:45,834 --> 02:15:47,967 he has them as well. 2449 02:15:49,467 --> 02:15:51,633 You deserve whatever you want from this government. 2450 02:15:51,700 --> 02:15:54,266 My obligation is to help you, 2451 02:15:54,333 --> 02:15:56,667 and this was within my power to grant you. 2452 02:15:59,834 --> 02:16:04,533 People have an obligation to the president, 2453 02:16:04,600 --> 02:16:06,867 not the other way around. 2454 02:16:12,934 --> 02:16:16,667 "May your selfless service, spent in defending freedom, 2455 02:16:16,734 --> 02:16:18,800 "bring even greater rewards 2456 02:16:18,867 --> 02:16:20,700 "in the larger work that you now undertake 2457 02:16:20,767 --> 02:16:22,667 to promote freedom throughout the world." 2458 02:16:22,734 --> 02:16:26,600 Signed, Lyndon B. Johnson, President. 2459 02:16:31,533 --> 02:16:34,266 This is the Medal of Freedom, 2460 02:16:34,333 --> 02:16:37,166 the highest award a president can bestow 2461 02:16:37,233 --> 02:16:40,934 upon a citizen of the United States. 2462 02:16:41,000 --> 02:16:45,667 I award it now to a loyal, brilliant, good man. 2463 02:16:45,734 --> 02:16:49,166 Robert McNamara, the very best we have. 2464 02:16:52,467 --> 02:16:53,767 Thank you, Mr. President. 2465 02:16:53,834 --> 02:16:56,033 This is an almost impossible situation to respond to. 2466 02:16:56,100 --> 02:16:57,867 You're used to impossible situations. 2467 02:17:33,033 --> 02:17:34,233 Thank you. 2468 02:17:43,834 --> 02:17:46,300 Now, I stand here tonight to tell you 2469 02:17:46,367 --> 02:17:49,667 that I regard Bob McNamara here 2470 02:17:49,734 --> 02:17:52,500 as not only one of the smartest, 2471 02:17:52,567 --> 02:17:56,166 but one of the most humane men I know. 2472 02:17:56,233 --> 02:17:58,400 Thank you. 2473 02:18:01,166 --> 02:18:05,767 One: Put the men in. 2474 02:18:07,300 --> 02:18:11,533 Two: Call up the reserves and extend tours of duty. 2475 02:18:12,734 --> 02:18:17,533 And three: expand the bombing. 2476 02:18:28,467 --> 02:18:32,433 Mr. President, uh-- 2477 02:18:32,500 --> 02:18:35,333 I cannot, uh... 2478 02:18:37,433 --> 02:18:42,333 ...find the words to express what lies in my heart today. 2479 02:18:42,400 --> 02:18:46,066 And, uh... 2480 02:18:46,133 --> 02:18:49,033 I think I better respond at another time. 2481 02:18:50,433 --> 02:18:53,133 Bob. 2482 02:19:11,767 --> 02:19:13,066 One question, please! 2483 02:19:13,133 --> 02:19:15,400 - Over here! - Mr. Clifford! 2484 02:19:15,467 --> 02:19:17,166 Mr. Clifford, does your acceptance 2485 02:19:17,233 --> 02:19:19,000 of the job of defense secretary 2486 02:19:19,066 --> 02:19:22,100 signal your interest in elected office? 2487 02:19:22,166 --> 02:19:24,700 It signals only my desire 2488 02:19:24,767 --> 02:19:28,834 to serve a great president and a longtime friend. 2489 02:19:28,900 --> 02:19:31,667 I am 61 years old, 2490 02:19:31,734 --> 02:19:34,133 and I'm sure this will finish me off. 2491 02:19:37,333 --> 02:19:39,100 John. 2492 02:19:39,166 --> 02:19:42,266 It's been observed that in your views on Vietnam, 2493 02:19:42,333 --> 02:19:44,100 you've changed from dove to hawk. 2494 02:19:44,166 --> 02:19:45,400 Which are you? 2495 02:19:45,467 --> 02:19:48,100 I am not conscious of falling under 2496 02:19:48,166 --> 02:19:51,133 any of those ornithological divisions. 2497 02:19:51,200 --> 02:19:53,166 I'll tell you this, he's no ostrich. 2498 02:19:55,467 --> 02:19:56,867 I know of no man who will call it as it is 2499 02:19:56,934 --> 02:20:00,133 with such candor and judgment as this man, Clark Clifford. 2500 02:20:00,200 --> 02:20:02,400 We got a light at the end of the tunnel now! 2501 02:20:11,967 --> 02:20:14,200 It's probably a small attack, Mr. President. 2502 02:20:14,266 --> 02:20:16,734 The embassy compound's been hit before. 2503 02:20:16,800 --> 02:20:18,433 Mr. Secretary, it's not just the embassy. 2504 02:20:18,500 --> 02:20:20,900 The palace, legislature, airport, too. 2505 02:20:26,734 --> 02:20:29,834 - Secretary Rusk. - Put it on the speakerphone. 2506 02:20:32,166 --> 02:20:34,133 Go ahead, Ben. 2507 02:20:34,200 --> 02:20:37,000 Ben: Dean, I've got the duty officer at the embassy, Alan Brandt. 2508 02:20:37,066 --> 02:20:40,867 Mr. Brandt! Mr. Brandt, can you hear me? 2509 02:20:40,934 --> 02:20:43,567 They're standing right outside, Mr. Secretary. 2510 02:20:43,633 --> 02:20:45,433 Rusk: Outside of the embassy compound? 2511 02:20:45,500 --> 02:20:46,767 Inside. 2512 02:20:46,834 --> 02:20:49,000 They blew through the wall. They're at the door. 2513 02:20:49,066 --> 02:20:50,633 Rostow, casualty report. 2514 02:20:50,700 --> 02:20:53,567 Rusk: Do you have something to defend yourself with, Mr. Brandt? 2515 02:20:53,633 --> 02:20:55,767 I'm at the window. They're below me. 2516 02:20:55,834 --> 02:20:58,233 They see me. They're looking right at me. 2517 02:20:58,300 --> 02:20:59,633 I've got to go. Mr. Secretary. 2518 02:20:59,700 --> 02:21:01,467 Small attack?! 2519 02:21:01,533 --> 02:21:03,667 These are desperation moves, Mr. President. 2520 02:21:03,734 --> 02:21:04,667 We've got them on the run. 2521 02:21:04,734 --> 02:21:07,066 It's not just Saigon. 2522 02:21:08,567 --> 02:21:10,433 Man, on TV: The Vietcong have launched surprise attacks 2523 02:21:10,500 --> 02:21:14,367 on 36 of the 44 provincial capitals of South Vietnam. 2524 02:21:14,433 --> 02:21:17,233 From the streets of Hue near the DMZ 2525 02:21:17,300 --> 02:21:19,700 to the U.S. embassy compound in Saigon, 2526 02:21:19,767 --> 02:21:23,600 the casualty count on both sides has been unprecedented. 2527 02:21:23,667 --> 02:21:26,500 The U.S. military says it is successfully 2528 02:21:26,567 --> 02:21:28,867 beating back the Vietcong attacks, 2529 02:21:28,934 --> 02:21:31,533 but clearly they are paying an enormous price. 2530 02:21:31,600 --> 02:21:34,767 The enemy's well-laid plans went afoul. 2531 02:21:34,834 --> 02:21:37,633 They tried to ignite a revolution in the south, and they failed. 2532 02:21:37,700 --> 02:21:41,467 If this is a failure, God help us when they have a success. 2533 02:21:59,934 --> 02:22:02,667 I've given 'em all the men, the planes, the guns, 2534 02:22:02,734 --> 02:22:04,200 the bullets he said he needed. 2535 02:22:04,266 --> 02:22:06,233 I thought we were winning this thing! 2536 02:22:06,300 --> 02:22:09,200 Now Westmoreland says he wants 206,000 more troops! 2537 02:22:09,266 --> 02:22:11,266 206,000! 2538 02:22:11,333 --> 02:22:13,533 We'll have 750,000 there. 2539 02:22:13,600 --> 02:22:16,367 Three-quarters of a million men in Vietnam. 2540 02:22:16,433 --> 02:22:17,967 Light at the end of the tunnel. 2541 02:22:18,033 --> 02:22:19,300 Hell, we don't even have a tunnel. 2542 02:22:19,367 --> 02:22:21,200 We don't even know where the tunnel is! 2543 02:22:21,266 --> 02:22:22,834 I want you to get Westmoreland here. 2544 02:22:22,900 --> 02:22:24,967 Get your people together and look at this thing. 2545 02:22:25,033 --> 02:22:26,700 We'll give 'em the boys if we have to, 2546 02:22:26,767 --> 02:22:28,100 but on your recommendation. 2547 02:22:28,166 --> 02:22:29,200 You'll wait. 2548 02:22:29,266 --> 02:22:31,367 I'll wait, but not for long. 2549 02:22:31,433 --> 02:22:34,900 If he needs 'em, what the hell am I supposed to do? 2550 02:22:34,967 --> 02:22:39,066 Old friend, get me an answer. 2551 02:22:39,133 --> 02:22:42,266 Give us these troops so we can seize the initiative! 2552 02:22:42,333 --> 02:22:44,133 But it will just be more of the same! 2553 02:22:44,200 --> 02:22:46,633 The enemy's taken 200,000 killed, 2554 02:22:46,700 --> 02:22:48,133 and he'll take 200,000 more! 2555 02:22:48,200 --> 02:22:49,567 We've lost a tenth that many, 2556 02:22:49,633 --> 02:22:51,333 and Americans are rioting in the streets. 2557 02:22:51,400 --> 02:22:52,367 They should be cheering. 2558 02:22:52,433 --> 02:22:55,233 The Vietcong lost. We were victorious. 2559 02:22:55,300 --> 02:22:56,867 That's true, Walt, but remember 2560 02:22:56,934 --> 02:22:59,633 they only committed 175,000 men to this offensive, 2561 02:22:59,700 --> 02:23:01,633 holding enough back to strike again. 2562 02:23:01,700 --> 02:23:03,467 That's right, damn it, and it could happen at any time. 2563 02:23:03,533 --> 02:23:04,900 I say put the men in. 2564 02:23:04,967 --> 02:23:07,834 There are no more trained men. 2565 02:23:07,900 --> 02:23:10,367 We would ship raw troops and train them in the rear. 2566 02:23:10,433 --> 02:23:14,066 What rear? There is no rear in Vietnam anymore. 2567 02:23:14,133 --> 02:23:17,166 I would hope we've at least learned that from this victory. 2568 02:23:17,233 --> 02:23:19,300 With 206,000 more men, 2569 02:23:19,367 --> 02:23:21,734 we could go into Laos, Cambodia, North Vietnam 2570 02:23:21,800 --> 02:23:24,266 and cut out their supply routes once and for all. 2571 02:23:24,333 --> 02:23:27,100 We have never been given that authority! 2572 02:23:27,166 --> 02:23:28,900 Excuse me, General. 2573 02:23:29,000 --> 02:23:32,066 Dean, you said the enemy committed 2574 02:23:32,133 --> 02:23:34,567 175,000 men to the offensive. 2575 02:23:34,633 --> 02:23:35,934 That's right, Clark. 2576 02:23:36,000 --> 02:23:38,900 And General Westmoreland says that they suffered 45,000 killed, 2577 02:23:38,967 --> 02:23:41,734 with a 1-to-3.5 killed-to-wounded ratio. 2578 02:23:41,800 --> 02:23:43,600 It's right here in my report. 2579 02:23:43,667 --> 02:23:46,533 We beat the pants off them. 2580 02:23:46,600 --> 02:23:49,033 Then how in hell do we justify to the public 2581 02:23:49,100 --> 02:23:51,467 sending hundreds of thousands more men? 2582 02:23:51,533 --> 02:23:53,400 We tell them this. 2583 02:23:53,467 --> 02:23:55,667 That we're within inches of victory. 2584 02:23:55,734 --> 02:23:57,133 Inches. 2585 02:23:57,200 --> 02:23:59,967 45,000 killed, yes, General? 2586 02:24:00,033 --> 02:24:01,333 Yes, sir. 2587 02:24:01,400 --> 02:24:03,834 And three and a half times that number are out of action? 2588 02:24:03,900 --> 02:24:05,533 It's in the report, Clark. 2589 02:24:05,600 --> 02:24:07,767 If there's 45,000 dead 2590 02:24:07,834 --> 02:24:10,333 and three and a half times that number... 2591 02:24:10,400 --> 02:24:11,867 160,000. 2592 02:24:11,934 --> 02:24:17,600 157,500 wounded, plus 45,000 dead... 2593 02:24:17,667 --> 02:24:22,367 General, according to you and General Westmoreland, 2594 02:24:22,433 --> 02:24:27,834 we have killed and wounded 120% of the enemy. 2595 02:24:33,300 --> 02:24:36,433 It's becoming more and more evident 2596 02:24:36,500 --> 02:24:39,266 that an out-and-out military victory 2597 02:24:39,333 --> 02:24:43,700 cannot be achieved with any strategy. 2598 02:24:43,767 --> 02:24:46,967 So, these are my recommendations. 2599 02:24:47,033 --> 02:24:51,867 One: send Westmoreland only those forces 2600 02:24:51,934 --> 02:24:54,767 that will satisfy his immediate needs. 2601 02:24:54,834 --> 02:24:56,967 Wheeler has agreed to 22,000 2602 02:24:57,033 --> 02:24:59,066 plus the units previously approved 2603 02:24:59,133 --> 02:25:01,266 and already scheduled for deployment. 2604 02:25:01,333 --> 02:25:03,633 This would stave off immediate defeat 2605 02:25:03,700 --> 02:25:06,667 while we move to negotiations. 2606 02:25:06,734 --> 02:25:10,367 We realize that the settlement will not be favorable for Saigon, 2607 02:25:10,433 --> 02:25:12,934 and they would fight it. 2608 02:25:13,000 --> 02:25:15,934 Two: the bombing. 2609 02:25:16,000 --> 02:25:19,333 Wheeler, the other chiefs and Walt Rostow 2610 02:25:19,400 --> 02:25:22,333 all advocate hitting the remaining targets 2611 02:25:22,400 --> 02:25:23,834 in Hanoi and Haiphong 2612 02:25:23,900 --> 02:25:26,300 and mining and bombing the harbors. 2613 02:25:26,367 --> 02:25:28,867 With the support of everyone else, 2614 02:25:28,934 --> 02:25:31,100 I recommend a bombing halt. 2615 02:25:31,166 --> 02:25:34,934 I told you, I'm not gonna stop the bombing. 2616 02:25:35,000 --> 02:25:36,867 It keeps the lead out of our boys. 2617 02:25:36,934 --> 02:25:38,867 There's little evidence to support that, sir, 2618 02:25:38,934 --> 02:25:42,133 and the bombing is going to be the single greatest issue 2619 02:25:42,200 --> 02:25:43,800 in the presidential campaign. 2620 02:25:43,867 --> 02:25:47,433 The perception is evolving out there 2621 02:25:47,500 --> 02:25:50,266 that Eugene McCarthy is the peace candidate, 2622 02:25:50,333 --> 02:25:53,667 and you are the war candidate. 2623 02:25:53,734 --> 02:25:57,133 If McCarthy has a good showing in New Hampshire, 2624 02:25:57,200 --> 02:25:59,000 I think Bobby will throw his hat in. 2625 02:25:59,066 --> 02:26:01,934 But he can't beat you if you're sitting at the peace table. 2626 02:26:02,000 --> 02:26:03,533 Peace table! 2627 02:26:03,600 --> 02:26:05,233 Sell out South Vietnam? 2628 02:26:05,300 --> 02:26:07,133 This is your advice? 2629 02:26:07,200 --> 02:26:10,500 If I could lay a plan to win the war before-- 2630 02:26:10,567 --> 02:26:11,834 I gotta go on TV in three weeks 2631 02:26:11,900 --> 02:26:14,166 and explain all this to the American people! 2632 02:26:14,233 --> 02:26:16,700 And you're telling me to cut and run, admit defeat. 2633 02:26:16,767 --> 02:26:19,533 That 20,000 American boys have died for nothing! 2634 02:26:19,600 --> 02:26:22,533 That 20,000 American mothers weep for nothing! 2635 02:26:22,600 --> 02:26:24,967 The situation has changed since Tet. 2636 02:26:25,033 --> 02:26:27,100 Yes, it has! Tet was a failure! 2637 02:26:27,166 --> 02:26:28,734 The enemy has failed to overrun us. 2638 02:26:28,800 --> 02:26:30,667 We are poised to win, 2639 02:26:30,734 --> 02:26:32,266 and now it's only you and your people 2640 02:26:32,333 --> 02:26:34,700 who are advising against the extra effort it'll take 2641 02:26:34,767 --> 02:26:38,100 to turn three years of miserable war into victory! 2642 02:26:38,166 --> 02:26:41,500 And I'm telling you there is no victory to be had! 2643 02:26:41,567 --> 02:26:44,467 Not without measures that'll tear this country apart 2644 02:26:44,533 --> 02:26:46,233 and bring down this administration! 2645 02:26:46,300 --> 02:26:49,066 I told you to get out of Vietnam three years ago, Lyndon-- 2646 02:26:49,133 --> 02:26:51,233 What about two years ago, and one, eh? 2647 02:26:51,300 --> 02:26:53,133 You shot down every bombing pause, 2648 02:26:53,200 --> 02:26:54,734 backed every troop increase! 2649 02:26:54,800 --> 02:26:56,166 Don't you dare! 2650 02:26:56,233 --> 02:26:57,633 Excuse me, Mr. President! 2651 02:26:57,700 --> 02:27:00,166 My counsel has not deviated one whit! 2652 02:27:00,233 --> 02:27:03,300 My every word, then as now, 2653 02:27:03,367 --> 02:27:05,767 has been informed solely by my commitment 2654 02:27:05,834 --> 02:27:07,767 to preserve your presidency 2655 02:27:07,834 --> 02:27:10,533 and establish your place in this country's history! 2656 02:27:10,600 --> 02:27:13,200 I should have cleaned house November '63. 2657 02:27:13,266 --> 02:27:14,734 Got rid of all of 'em. 2658 02:27:14,800 --> 02:27:17,400 McNamara, Bundy, Connally. 2659 02:27:17,467 --> 02:27:20,300 Warned me those fucking Kennedy lovers 2660 02:27:20,367 --> 02:27:22,100 would be disloyal to me! 2661 02:27:22,166 --> 02:27:24,367 All of 'em! 2662 02:27:31,800 --> 02:27:36,667 They all may have advised you, Mr. President. 2663 02:27:36,734 --> 02:27:40,667 You decided. 2664 02:27:40,734 --> 02:27:43,734 Against all your natural instincts. 2665 02:27:43,800 --> 02:27:47,333 Against the whole of your life experience. 2666 02:27:49,433 --> 02:27:51,633 You decided. 2667 02:27:55,867 --> 02:27:59,333 Man, on TV: Senator Eugene McCarthy, a dove on Vietnam, 2668 02:27:59,400 --> 02:28:03,100 who was virtually unknown to voters of this state two months ago, 2669 02:28:03,166 --> 02:28:04,934 has finished in a virtual tie 2670 02:28:05,000 --> 02:28:06,800 with the sitting President of the United States, 2671 02:28:06,867 --> 02:28:08,667 Lyndon Johnson. 2672 02:28:08,734 --> 02:28:11,300 Since polls taken only a week ago 2673 02:28:11,367 --> 02:28:13,934 predicted Johnson would win two-thirds of the vote 2674 02:28:14,000 --> 02:28:15,700 and McCarthy only 11%, 2675 02:28:15,767 --> 02:28:17,834 the senator's surprisingly high turnout 2676 02:28:17,900 --> 02:28:19,300 has shocked the country. 2677 02:28:19,367 --> 02:28:22,834 I run because it is now unmistakably clear 2678 02:28:22,900 --> 02:28:27,800 that we can change these disastrous, divisive policies 2679 02:28:27,867 --> 02:28:32,000 only by changing the men who are now making them. 2680 02:28:32,066 --> 02:28:36,533 I run because I am convinced that this country 2681 02:28:36,600 --> 02:28:38,633 is on a perilous course 2682 02:28:38,700 --> 02:28:42,500 and because I have such strong feelings 2683 02:28:42,567 --> 02:28:44,567 about what must be done, 2684 02:28:44,633 --> 02:28:48,934 and I feel that I am obliged to do all that I can. 2685 02:28:49,000 --> 02:28:51,066 Oh, I was there. 2686 02:28:51,133 --> 02:28:53,233 I was there when you told your brother to go into that place. 2687 02:28:53,300 --> 02:28:54,600 I was there. 2688 02:28:54,667 --> 02:28:56,266 And now I'm paying for it, 2689 02:28:56,333 --> 02:29:00,400 day after day after day while you cut me to pieces! 2690 02:29:00,467 --> 02:29:05,133 There's blood on your hands, you traitor! 2691 02:29:05,200 --> 02:29:06,567 Our troops are being killed 2692 02:29:06,633 --> 02:29:09,734 by the bullets and the mines of the south. 2693 02:29:09,800 --> 02:29:11,600 If by ending the bombing of the north 2694 02:29:11,667 --> 02:29:13,767 we can bring peace to South Vietnam, 2695 02:29:13,834 --> 02:29:17,367 then we will save the lives of thousands of our young men 2696 02:29:17,433 --> 02:29:20,266 and thousands of Vietnamese. 2697 02:29:38,100 --> 02:29:40,033 Yes, Mr. President? 2698 02:29:40,100 --> 02:29:42,633 I talked to Mills. 2699 02:29:42,700 --> 02:29:45,266 He won't back a war surtax 2700 02:29:45,333 --> 02:29:48,467 unless we go on TV and announce deep cuts. 2701 02:29:48,533 --> 02:29:50,033 I want you to go up there 2702 02:29:50,100 --> 02:29:52,300 and talk to everybody at Ways and Means. 2703 02:29:52,367 --> 02:29:54,233 I'm meeting with five of them in the morning, sir. 2704 02:29:54,300 --> 02:29:56,767 Take Ackley up with you to back up the numbers. 2705 02:29:56,834 --> 02:29:59,200 They don't believe anything out of the White House anymore. 2706 02:29:59,266 --> 02:30:01,100 It's a good idea. 2707 02:30:01,166 --> 02:30:02,367 Anything else, Mr. President? 2708 02:30:02,433 --> 02:30:04,500 I... 2709 02:30:08,567 --> 02:30:10,367 Are you all right, Mr. President? 2710 02:30:12,967 --> 02:30:15,834 Uh, I'm all right, Joe. 2711 02:30:21,000 --> 02:30:22,734 Joe? 2712 02:30:25,266 --> 02:30:29,000 Senator Kennedy's speech, who wrote it for him? 2713 02:30:31,934 --> 02:30:33,867 This guy Walinsky on his staff's 2714 02:30:33,934 --> 02:30:35,100 been writing a lot of his stuff. 2715 02:30:35,166 --> 02:30:38,867 I don't know. Maybe Schlesinger, Sorensen. 2716 02:30:38,934 --> 02:30:40,166 Goodwin. 2717 02:30:40,233 --> 02:30:45,433 I think he was involved, yes. 2718 02:30:47,000 --> 02:30:48,934 All right, Joe. Thanks. 2719 02:30:49,000 --> 02:30:51,100 Yes, sir. 2720 02:30:58,433 --> 02:31:00,767 Dr. King, on TV: I could never again raise my voice 2721 02:31:00,834 --> 02:31:03,934 against the violence of the oppressed in the ghettos 2722 02:31:04,000 --> 02:31:06,133 without having spoken first clearly 2723 02:31:06,200 --> 02:31:09,600 to the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today: 2724 02:31:09,667 --> 02:31:11,867 my own government. 2725 02:31:20,166 --> 02:31:22,300 Protestors: How many kids did you kill today? 2726 02:31:22,367 --> 02:31:27,734 Hey, hey, LBJ! How many kids did you kill today? 2727 02:31:27,800 --> 02:31:29,700 Man, on TV: The largest antiwar demonstration yet 2728 02:31:29,767 --> 02:31:31,500 brought hundreds of thousands of protesters 2729 02:31:31,567 --> 02:31:33,567 into the streets of American cities. 2730 02:31:33,633 --> 02:31:37,200 The radicals say that since peaceful demonstrations won't end the war, 2731 02:31:37,266 --> 02:31:40,133 they're ready to move from protest to resistance. 2732 02:31:40,200 --> 02:31:43,166 With talk of full-scale rebellion sweeping the country 2733 02:31:43,233 --> 02:31:45,300 from college campuses to the inner cities, 2734 02:31:45,367 --> 02:31:47,333 the mood is turning ugly, 2735 02:31:47,400 --> 02:31:48,867 and there's a dangerous sense 2736 02:31:48,934 --> 02:31:50,500 that the nation's political life 2737 02:31:50,567 --> 02:31:51,834 is spinning out of control. 2738 02:31:51,900 --> 02:31:54,633 For it seems now more certain than ever 2739 02:31:54,700 --> 02:31:56,867 that the bloody experience of Vietnam 2740 02:31:56,934 --> 02:31:59,166 is to end in a stalemate. 2741 02:31:59,233 --> 02:32:01,600 This summer's almost certain standoff 2742 02:32:01,667 --> 02:32:05,400 will either end in real give-and-take negotiations 2743 02:32:05,467 --> 02:32:07,700 or terrible escalation. 2744 02:32:07,767 --> 02:32:10,867 But it is increasingly clear to this reporter 2745 02:32:10,934 --> 02:32:13,867 that the only rational way out, then, 2746 02:32:13,934 --> 02:32:15,367 will be to negotiate. 2747 02:32:15,433 --> 02:32:18,700 Not as victors, but as an honorable people 2748 02:32:18,767 --> 02:32:21,867 who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy 2749 02:32:21,934 --> 02:32:24,567 and did the best they could. 2750 02:32:24,633 --> 02:32:27,166 This is Walter Cronkite. Good night. 2751 02:33:36,033 --> 02:33:39,433 Well, say what you think. 2752 02:33:41,266 --> 02:33:43,433 All right. 2753 02:33:43,500 --> 02:33:44,667 It's tough. 2754 02:33:44,734 --> 02:33:46,266 And effective. 2755 02:33:46,333 --> 02:33:52,100 But the music in it is sad and sour to the ear. 2756 02:33:52,166 --> 02:33:54,133 And I don't know that any speechwriter 2757 02:33:54,200 --> 02:33:56,367 could have made it sing. 2758 02:33:58,433 --> 02:34:01,066 I got a hundred bills in committee. 2759 02:34:01,133 --> 02:34:03,533 They'll never see the light of day. 2760 02:34:03,600 --> 02:34:05,867 But I think I can pass a thousand bills. 2761 02:34:05,934 --> 02:34:07,800 More education, more health care, 2762 02:34:07,867 --> 02:34:09,400 more rights. 2763 02:34:09,467 --> 02:34:11,333 But it wouldn't matter. 2764 02:34:11,400 --> 02:34:13,734 'Cause it seems nothing I say, no matter how I say it, 2765 02:34:13,800 --> 02:34:17,300 could ever bring this country together again. 2766 02:34:18,734 --> 02:34:23,166 Then perhaps eloquence of speech 2767 02:34:23,233 --> 02:34:25,200 is no longer the answer, 2768 02:34:25,266 --> 02:34:27,433 but eloquence of action. 2769 02:34:37,100 --> 02:34:38,500 Mr. Secretary. 2770 02:34:38,567 --> 02:34:39,734 Would you be kind enough to make sure 2771 02:34:39,800 --> 02:34:42,000 that the president sees that this evening? 2772 02:34:42,066 --> 02:34:44,033 - Clark. - Lady Bird. 2773 02:34:44,100 --> 02:34:47,700 I promised that he'd have those budget figures by the end of the day. 2774 02:34:47,767 --> 02:34:49,367 Oh, he's right inside. 2775 02:34:49,433 --> 02:34:52,300 No, no, I won't disturb him. 2776 02:34:52,367 --> 02:34:53,734 Thank you. Good night. 2777 02:34:53,800 --> 02:34:55,934 Uh, Clark. 2778 02:34:57,433 --> 02:34:59,767 Uh, Clark, I... 2779 02:34:59,834 --> 02:35:02,667 I got the speech here. 2780 02:35:02,734 --> 02:35:06,400 I need your help with it. 2781 02:35:06,467 --> 02:35:09,133 You know that I'm at your service, Mr. President. 2782 02:35:09,200 --> 02:35:10,967 I know, old friend. 2783 02:36:09,433 --> 02:36:12,567 Good evening, my fellow Americans. 2784 02:36:12,633 --> 02:36:14,934 Tonight, I want to speak to you 2785 02:36:15,000 --> 02:36:19,200 of peace in Vietnam and Southeast Asia. 2786 02:36:19,266 --> 02:36:21,767 We are prepared to move immediately 2787 02:36:21,834 --> 02:36:24,600 towards peace through negotiations. 2788 02:36:24,667 --> 02:36:28,000 We are reducing, substantially reducing, 2789 02:36:28,066 --> 02:36:30,400 the present level of hostilities, 2790 02:36:30,467 --> 02:36:35,066 and we are doing so unilaterally and at once. 2791 02:36:35,133 --> 02:36:41,000 Tonight, I have ordered our aircraft and our naval vessels 2792 02:36:41,066 --> 02:36:44,967 to make no more attacks on North Vietnam 2793 02:36:45,033 --> 02:36:48,900 except in the area north of the demilitarized zone 2794 02:36:48,967 --> 02:36:51,533 where the continuing enemy buildup 2795 02:36:51,600 --> 02:36:55,233 directly threatens allied forward positions. 2796 02:36:55,300 --> 02:36:58,633 The area in which we are stopping our attacks 2797 02:36:58,700 --> 02:37:03,333 includes almost 90% of North Vietnam's population 2798 02:37:03,400 --> 02:37:05,200 and most of its territory. 2799 02:37:05,266 --> 02:37:08,533 Our purpose in this action 2800 02:37:08,600 --> 02:37:10,567 is to bring about a reduction 2801 02:37:10,633 --> 02:37:13,266 in the level of violence that now exists. 2802 02:37:13,333 --> 02:37:17,133 It is to save the lives of brave men 2803 02:37:17,200 --> 02:37:20,266 and to save the lives of innocent women and children. 2804 02:37:20,333 --> 02:37:23,834 Now, as in the past, 2805 02:37:23,900 --> 02:37:27,433 the United States is ready to send its representatives 2806 02:37:27,500 --> 02:37:30,400 in any forum at any time 2807 02:37:30,467 --> 02:37:36,367 to discuss the means of bringing this ugly war to an end. 2808 02:37:36,433 --> 02:37:41,800 There is a division in the American house now. 2809 02:37:41,867 --> 02:37:44,767 There is divisiveness among us all tonight. 2810 02:37:44,834 --> 02:37:48,700 With America's sons in the fields far away, 2811 02:37:48,767 --> 02:37:53,300 with America's future under challenge right here at home, 2812 02:37:53,367 --> 02:37:56,800 with our hopes and the world's hopes for peace 2813 02:37:56,867 --> 02:37:59,567 in the balance every day, 2814 02:37:59,633 --> 02:38:01,934 I do not believe that I should 2815 02:38:02,000 --> 02:38:04,567 devote an hour or a day of my time 2816 02:38:04,633 --> 02:38:08,200 to any personal partisan causes 2817 02:38:08,266 --> 02:38:13,066 or to any duties other than the awesome duties of this office, 2818 02:38:13,133 --> 02:38:16,200 the presidency of your country. 2819 02:38:18,266 --> 02:38:22,033 Accordingly, I shall not seek, 2820 02:38:22,100 --> 02:38:23,934 and I will not accept, 2821 02:38:24,000 --> 02:38:26,667 the nomination of my party 2822 02:38:26,734 --> 02:38:31,867 for another term as your president. 2823 02:38:35,433 --> 02:38:38,900 But let men everywhere know, however, 2824 02:38:38,967 --> 02:38:41,533 that a strong and a confident 2825 02:38:41,600 --> 02:38:44,934 and a vigilant America stands ready tonight 2826 02:38:45,000 --> 02:38:46,934 to seek an honorable peace 2827 02:38:47,000 --> 02:38:49,066 and stands ready tonight 2828 02:38:49,133 --> 02:38:51,000 to defend an honored cause, 2829 02:38:51,066 --> 02:38:54,433 whatever the price, whatever the burden, 2830 02:38:54,500 --> 02:38:59,800 whatever the sacrifice that duty may require. 2831 02:38:59,867 --> 02:39:02,767 Thank you for listening. 2832 02:39:02,834 --> 02:39:07,500 Good night, and God bless you all. 205337

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