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Style is how you want
to project yourself.
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I want to be different,
and I think I look good
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the way I dress.
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Avila: Style is what's happening
in the larger society,
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economy, the culture, politics.
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Mr. Gorbachev,
tear down this wall.
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Gunn:
It's how we express ourselves,
through our clothing,
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how we live,
the things that surround us.
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In the '80s, it was
a lot of excess in every way.
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Reporter:
The "me and more" generation,
living to the max.
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Man: We had our Calvin Kleins
and our Ralph Laurens
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and our Donna Karans.
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Woman: Women that are really
trying to get to the top
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have to work
very, very, very hard.
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Steele: As women are going
into the workforce,
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they're looking for clothes
that will make them look
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like they could be the boss
rather than the secretary.
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Greed is good.
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This is capitalism
American style,
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the haves and the have-nots.
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Birnbach:
The shabbiness of the '70s
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was stylistic
but also more than that.
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We were in a real recession.
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We had a real oil crisis.
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We went to school in the dark.
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New York City was a dangerous,
crime-ridden gang land.
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Truhler:
Certainly, the drug scene
got a little bit intense there,
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so I think
there was just rebellion
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against living like that.
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People were just looking for
"Let's fix this country,"
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like, "Let's get things
back on track."
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Reagan: I know that the economic
program that I have proposed
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for this nation,
in the next few years,
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is going to resolve many of the
problems that trouble us today.
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I think people want to get back
to the basic values
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that made our country
strong and great.
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Reagan was very effective
at helping the American psyche
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recover from the shocks
of the '60s and '70s.
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He called a timeout
on all of that and said,
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"We can be normal again.
We can pull together again."
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Avila: For the people who voted
for Ronald Reagan,
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they shared the optimism
that Reagan himself embodied
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and expressed in his speeches.
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Reagan, of course, is known for
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"Make America great again."
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Birnbach: Ronald Reagan
coasts into Washington,
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and there was a sense of,
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"Okay, now we're done with the
earnestness and the hostages,
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and now let's just have
a good time.
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Daddy is here."
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Avila:
Ronald Reagan, Nancy Reagan,
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brought Hollywood glamour
to the White House.
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You could also say they brought
bling back to the White House.
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Flusser: The whole image of
Nancy Reagan and Ronald Reagan
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both Hollywood fixtures,
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both people who had been
in front of a camera,
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around a camera,
understood the power of image.
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I've got an idea
for another picture.
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I've got the chainsaw.
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No, and you're blocking
me off.
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Chopping.
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Birnbach:
They're from California.
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They have no cares or worries.
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Half of their kids
don't even speak to them,
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but they're having a wonderful
time with their rich friends,
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and they enjoyed the good life,
and that was really clear.
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Friedman: The Reagans were
all about being stars,
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and they understood
incredibly well how to use image
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and how to communicate
through image,
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which is really
what fashion is about.
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It's about, "Okay, what is
this dress going to tell
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the watching world about what
this administration stands for
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and what this country
stands for?"
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Gunn:
It was the Reagan White House
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that had an excessive amount
of state dinners,
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and they were
all celebrity-studded.
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It was Hollywood's
east coast home.
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Williams:
When I was Miss America
at my first state dinner,
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I remember standing in the line
after I was presented,
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and Halston was next to me,
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and then there was Martha Graham
and Ginger Rogers,
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and I was like, "Oh, my god."
I was 20 years old
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but talking
about style and elegance
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and presence and icons.
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That brought a kind of attention
to White House events
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that I don't believe
the White House has had
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since the Kennedys.
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Avila:
Nancy Reagan personified this
kind of new American aristocracy
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that was rooted
in the Republican party,
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that was rooted
in southern California,
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and that was rooted
in Hollywood.
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Flusser:
Nancy Reagan was a rebuttal of
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what had been going on
in the '70s.
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I think of her in,
like, Chanel-type suits
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and very tailored and elegant.
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Gunn: Decked out in Adolfo
and having her own big hair
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and lots of jewels
and being a movie star.
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I mean, she knew what to do.
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She'd been working with stylists
and makeup artists,
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so she knew how to look grand,
and she did.
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Steele: She was instrumental
in turning red
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from being the color
of communism
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to being the color
of Republicanism.
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You know, she had
those beautiful red dresses,
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and that certainly became
part of a kind of Reagan look.
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The Reagan model of "Let's all
be grand and beautifully dressed
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and at least look like
we've spent a lot of money"
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certainly had a huge impact
on how Americans wanted to dress
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and how they wanted to live.
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The '80s have this extravagance,
this excessiveness.
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Everyone wanted to be shiny
and wear sequins
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and have big hair
and excessive makeup.
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Jewelry was big.
Earrings were big.
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The bigger the hair,
the smaller the hips look.
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Volume was in with
the big, puffy sleeves
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and the big, pouf skirts.
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The shoulder pads
were bigger than
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the New York Giants shoulder
pads with nipped-in waist.
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It was about things
being overscale,
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and it was vulgar in a way.
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Truhler: As someone
who suffered through the 1980s,
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we really lost our way
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from a style perspective.
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Boyd: You know, you think about
what's popular on television --
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"Dallas," "Dynasty."
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I mean, these are programs about
families with a lot of money,
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and they're not ashamed
to show it.
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"Dallas" and "Dynasty"
are caricatures
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but not that much
of caricatures.
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Truhler: Everything was just
this over-the-top glamour.
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Like, they were
just lounging around
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in evening gowns all the time,
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and you couldn't have
had a better villain
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than Joan Collins.
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-Are you insane?
-Oh, no.
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I'm perfectly sane,
so take this junk
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and your blonde tramp,
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and get out of my home.
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Everything is being held up.
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Like, having a lot of money
is the answer to everything.
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That's how you need to live.
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I sell very great condominiums
in New York.
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Reporter: What Donald Trump
does, of course,
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is make a lot of money and make
sure everybody knows it --
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a yacht, a mansion,
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a bigger mansion, an airline,
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two casinos, a bigger casino.
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Trump: That is
really incredible.
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There's nothing
like this place.
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Gunn: The Trumps are able
to achieve the real thing
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and have real jewels
and really big hair
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and be really gross and vulgar.
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Hilfiger:
Everything was gold, big, loud.
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More is more is more is more.
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Birnbach: It was like
they were at a costume party,
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and we were all watching it.
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We weren't really invited
to the costume party.
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Ivana Trump wore these clothes
which struck me
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as very unflattering to her,
also her hairdo,
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which was kind of like
a drip castle, and big jewelry,
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and it was as if some very
shrewd salesperson had said,
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"Darling, you've got
to wear this,"
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and she just looked absurd.
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Douglas:
Trump is a pure 1980s figure,
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the mogul who goes far
by just being brash
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and getting his name
put on as many buildings
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as humanly possible.
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Trump Tower
is basically a temple
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to the excess of the '80s.
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It's basically gold-plated
on the outside,
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and they have gold toilets.
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Birnbach:
In the '80s, people were
talking about money in a way
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that wasn't pooh-poohing it,
that wasn't saying,
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"I'm going to work and
do something meaningful now,
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and maybe one day I'll have
enough money to buy a house."
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Oh, no. "I want a Jaguar.
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I want Gucci this.
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I want money,
and I want it now."
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It was a sort of rebellion
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against the traditional
American way of life,
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which was to be discrete.
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Birnbach: Instead of saying,
"Let me go get the car,"
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people would say,
"Well, let me go the Beemer."
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"Oh, yeah, my Chanel
is in the other room."
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I mean, I really saw
a kind of dependence
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on those labels
to validate one's existence.
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Even if you went to
East Overshoe Falls High School
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these days,
you can be a preppy
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because it is a mania
that is sweeping the country,
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thanks in large part
to Lisa Birnbach.
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She's the editor
of "The Preppy Handbook,"
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which came out eight months ago
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and now has sold
about a million copies.
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Birnbach: In 1980, I had
a meeting at Workman Publishing,
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and they were looking
for someone
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to write a book about preppies,
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and I had to tell America
what preppies were
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because people would say,
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"Where did you find people
who look like that
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and dress like that?"
and I said,
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"Well, you've just insulted
all my friends and my brothers."
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So, we thought only a few people
who'd graduated from Exeter
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and St. Pauls would ever
be interested in the book,
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and the book was sold out
within a week of its appearance.
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It told the secrets
of a way of life
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that had never been
spilled like that.
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The book was absolutely
tongue-in-cheek.
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The subtitle to
"The Official Preppy Handbook"
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was,
"Look, Muffy, a book for us."
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I was trying to make funny
something that could
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be construed as very obnoxious,
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but people took it quite
seriously as their self-help.
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Truhler: Growing up in the 1980s
where style was just,
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like, all over the map,
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I was having trouble
connecting with something,
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and so when I saw what
was considered preppy style,
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I was like, "That's close.
That's getting there."
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Birnbach:
If you wear 100% cotton shirt
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and a pair of khakis
and a pair of loafers,
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you look like you know
what you're talking about.
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It's sort of
an overall improvement
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of one's prospects and style.
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Woman:
Whether it's the polo grounds
of Connecticut
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or the yacht clubs of Cape Cod,
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Lauren's true talent
lies in creating a desire
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for a certain lifestyle and
selling the wardrobe to match.
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Gunn: American style conjures up
a democracy of taste,
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and Ralph Lauren is
the most American American.
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Flusser: One of the things
the American aesthetic is about
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is taking lots
of disparate elements
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and, you know, mixing them
together like our own culture.
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Ralph was the first
on so many fronts
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in terms of
just showing somebody,
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"Oh, you can wear a sports
jacket with a pair of jeans?"
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You never saw a European pull
clothes together like that ever.
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Ralph embraces
everything that is American,
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whether it's the Old West,
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whether it's Nantucket
and Cape Cod,
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whether it's
San Francisco society,
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whether it's Beverly Hills.
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The one day he wants to be
on safari in Africa,
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and the next day,
he wants to be
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in the board room
on Wall Street.
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I worked with him, and he
created movies in his mind.
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He was probably
the best movie director
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in the history of Hollywood
that never directed a movie.
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Banks: Having parents
who were immigrants,
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they really come
to embrace this country
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and the freedom
that they have in America,
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and Ralph was
one of those people.
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He wasn't just selling clothes.
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He was selling a lifestyle.
He was selling a dream.
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Flusser: The message from
his world about the difference
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between style and fashion
and the idea
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that one should have
an arm's-length relationship
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with fashion because fashion
is something that changes,
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his point of view was you
should be trying to buy clothes
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that are going to be with you
for a long time.
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He never compromises.
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He is all about integrity --
integrity of product,
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integrity of manufacturer,
and integrity of detail.
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Gunn:
In a time when people of this
nation were less confident
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about how they were dressing,
they really wanted to be led,
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and, "Oh, I'm head-to-toe
Ralph Lauren.
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People will accept me.
I must be okay."
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I asked my friend,
"So who do you think is
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the most influential designer
in the last 50 years?"
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People came up with Armani
or Calvin Klein
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or, you know, a whole number
of people, and then I said,
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"Well, who do you think
has more clothes being worn
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that's 5 or 10 years old,"
and if you ask that question,
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there is no other answer
but Ralph Lauren.
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You want to know what comes
between me and my Calvins?
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Nothing.
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Steele:
The Calvin Klein Brooke Shields
ads were really revolutionary
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in terms of making overt
sexuality part of advertising.
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He found, like,
the sex in things, you know,
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which is such a touchy subject
for Americans, right,
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and he, like,
hit that button every damn time.
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Calvin Klein's advertising
was rather scandalous.
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People were saying, "You're
sexualizing this underage minor.
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What are you doing?"
But it woke people up.
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And there were many times there
would be an ad for Calvin Klein
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where there weren't
many clothes involved,
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but it made you
want to buy them.
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Steele: His underwear ads
stopped traffic in Times Square.
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That was just revolutionary,
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this image
of masculine sexuality.
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That was just
absolutely galvanizing.
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Suddenly, men's underwear
became a signifier.
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For the first time, that wasn't
just a boring commodity
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like buying white bread
or milk at the grocery store.
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It made every man, whether
they looked like that or not,
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feel like,
"If I buy that underwear,
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I'll look like that guy."
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I was head of design
at Calvin Klein,
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and one day
we were in the studio,
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and we had these long johns,
and we cut them off.
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We showed it to Calvin.
He thought it was amazing.
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David Geffen
was visiting Calvin.
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He goes, "I have somebody
that would be incredible,"
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and he sends over Mark Wahlberg.
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That was the beginning
of the boxer brief.
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Savage: Calvin Klein
really deserves some credit
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for making objectification
a two-way street,
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that women had been
and still are objectified,
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but now men are.
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Truhler: This was the first time
that it was done
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in such a mass-advertising way.
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The whole idea of a man
taking care of his body,
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looking good,
caring about the way he looked
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and the way he was groomed,
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broke the mold for how goods
could be advertised
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and how far the envelope
could be pushed.
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Man: Television came along
and gave us the gift of sight,
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but it was cable that gave us
the freedom of choice.
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In the 1980s, deregulation
opened up a Wild West
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for media environment,
which is cable television.
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Man: Ladies and gentlemen,
rock and roll.
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I'm Martha Quinn.
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The music will continue nonstop
on MTV Music Television,
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the newest component
of your stereo system.
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Allen: I remember the day
that MTV launched
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because everybody
was so eager for it
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that people
were throwing parties.
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There was such a fervor
for the new video,
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and you had to see it,
and what are they wearing,
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and what are
the backup dancers wearing?
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We watched music videos avidly.
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That was where you got
most of your fashion news.
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Picardi:
Music videos allowed people
to interpret fashion
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completely out of this Paris,
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Milan, New York,
London ecosystem.
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It took control away
from the magazines
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and gave it to a whole
new legion of creatives.
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Style came to be
increasingly more important,
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and the artist who really
took advantage of this
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was the King of Pop,
Michael Jackson.
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Dan: One of his jackets
from "Thriller"
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was, like, a super seller.
-When you think of this era,
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you think about
someone like Prince.
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He's pushing lines
around race and gender.
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Truhler: The hair of
the hair bands was huge,
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Aqua Net-ed up.
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Most of them laugh
about that period of time
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for sure, you know?
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Hauser: I think of Blondie
and in new wave and punk
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and just this kind of
interesting marriage
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of commercialism
and art and fashion.
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And that revolutionized the way
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that the people
listened to music
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because now there was
a visual component.
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MTV came about, and whether
it was Cyndi Lauper or Madonna,
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the fashion business followed.
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MTV was it at the time,
and that really, to me,
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had the biggest impact
on '80s style.
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Man: Are you the designer
of your look,
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your hairstyle, the clothing?
-Oh, yeah.
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Do you think someone else
could come up with this?
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Steele: Madonna is a creature
of the '80s and of music video
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because that's where she created
this chameleon fashion persona.
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She was trained as a dancer,
not as a musician.
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Truhler:
Interesting to watch her start,
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taking so many influences
from the New York club scene
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and turning that
into Madonna's style
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that then got emulated
by girls everywhere.
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She would wear mesh over a bra.
You know, you had
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the "Desperately Seeking Susan"
period,
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so you saw her lingerie.
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Picardi: It's this play on
her Catholic-Italian upbringing
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of this, like,
layering crucifixes
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over these crop tops.
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Steele: That was very much
coming out of punk.
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You were doing it yourself,
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mixing up all kinds of things
that didn't fit together.
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And artists like Madonna
never would have come
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to the forefront of culture
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unless she had
a platform like MTV.
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Madonna resonated because
she helped to break stereotypes
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of feminism, of female identity,
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and of female sexuality,
in particular.
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King:
This was shocking in the 1980s,
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the kind of freewheeling
sexuality that you see
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when she's doing the performance
of "Like a Virgin,"
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for instance,
as she's writhing on the floor,
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you know, in a marital dress.
This is, like,
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shocking at the time to people,
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"Papa Don't Preach,"
songs like that,
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when she's talking
about abortion.
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In the 1980s, you wouldn't
necessarily have a conversation
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at your dinner table
about feminism,
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but you would have
a huge debate about Madonna.
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Madonna
had her own interpretation
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on what was happening that
wasn't so concerned with trends
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and that was deeply personal.
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King:
These mass-cultural artists,
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these people who challenge style
and establishment sensibility,
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they were the people
who pushed forward
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the conversations on identity.
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She is being compared today
to Jackie Robinson.
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Vanessa Williams,
a college junior from New York
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who has broken one
of the nation's
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last remaining racial barriers.
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She is the first
black Miss America.
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Reid: When Vanessa Williams
was crowned Miss America,
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I mean, we were like, "What?"
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You know, it was awesome.
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We were very proud.
We were excited.
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She was beautiful.
She was classy.
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She looked like a beauty queen.
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Vanessa Williams becoming
Miss America was like
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Obama becoming President
of the United States.
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The first black anything
is a big deal,
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but Miss America?
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Being a black person, our beauty
was never acknowledged
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because of the color
of our skin.
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You hear it throughout time.
You know,
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"Black is beautiful.
Black is beautiful."
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You know, she validated that.
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Williams: It was a huge honor
and responsibility.
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Women who were elderly
came up to me
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and thought they'd never
see it in their lifetime.
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It's about time we had
a beautiful black girl
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representing New York City.
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Women that were my age
kind of cheered along
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because they knew that
there was a color barrier
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that had been broken.
-I was thrilled, actually.
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I couldn't stop my heart
from beating when she won, yeah.
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Since roughly
the mid to late-1950s,
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the Miss America Beauty Pageant
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is the standard
of American feminine beauty.
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You can understand how someone
like Vanessa Williams,
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as incredibly beautiful
as she is and was,
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would still arouse resentment,
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largely in racial terms.
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Williams:
Yes, a barrier was opened,
but then there were people
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who were my own African-American
contemporaries that said,
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"Well, it's not good enough.
She's not dark enough.
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She looks like she could pass.
She looks like she's mixed.
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It's not really a win for us,"
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and that was actually
more painful than the racism
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that I kind of anticipated
from white people that said,
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"You're not good enough,"
because this my own community.
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Boyd: Well, anytime
you have a cultural shift
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and part of that cultural shift
involves the question of race,
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there is going to be
some vocal strident pushback.
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Death threats, I had snipers
on top of rooftops
448
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when I would do outdoor parades.
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At one particular parade,
I couldn't even be outside.
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I had to be inside the car
because there were threats.
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Boyd: She may have been accepted
in terms of the pageant
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and the title she won,
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but that didn't mean that she
was accepted throughout society.
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It's never a good idea
in this society
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to be the first black anything.
456
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It is one thing to face up
to a mistake
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that one makes in youth,
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but it is almost
totally devastating
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to have to share it
with the American public
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and the world at large
as both a human being
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and as Miss America.
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They took away her crown
for them pictures.
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Them pictures ain't nothing.
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Boyd:
It is not at all surprising
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that the first
African-American Miss America
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would be dethroned
after the emergence of photos
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that many people
considered inappropriate.
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Savage:
A lot of racists took great
satisfaction in the scandal,
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taking the crown away
from Vanessa Williams,
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because they were able to say,
"Told you so."
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As we break barriers,
we break hearts.
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People just can't live
with the fact
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that somebody
who doesn't look like them
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is all of a sudden
breaking the images
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that they have
placed before them.
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It's amazing how far
we've come as a country,
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and then it's amazing
how many times
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we take 10-year steps backwards.
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Reporter: The drug epidemic
is as dangerous
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as any terrorist that we face.
It is serious.
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It is an epidemic,
and it can kill.
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It's tearing the cities apart.
483
00:25:50,224 --> 00:25:54,090
Black communities in the 1980s
were dealing with a lot.
484
00:25:54,125 --> 00:25:56,576
There was a lot
of social marginalization.
485
00:25:56,610 --> 00:25:59,855
This was Reagan's
conservative America,
486
00:25:59,889 --> 00:26:04,894
and there was an entrenched gap
between the rich and the poor.
487
00:26:04,929 --> 00:26:06,827
It was the haves
and the have-nots.
488
00:26:06,862 --> 00:26:09,589
People always talk about
how great, "Oh, man, Reagan.
489
00:26:09,623 --> 00:26:11,660
Great Reagan years."
I said, "Pshh."
490
00:26:11,694 --> 00:26:14,904
We were like, "Man, I can't
tell. Not where we're from."
491
00:26:14,939 --> 00:26:16,734
Right now, all around us
492
00:26:16,768 --> 00:26:20,323
and so compelling you never miss
the fact there's no melody,
493
00:26:20,358 --> 00:26:24,189
is a music that is all beat,
strong beat, and talk.
494
00:26:24,224 --> 00:26:26,398
It's rap music,
and it sounds like this.
495
00:26:26,433 --> 00:26:28,331
♪ What you hear is not a test
496
00:26:28,366 --> 00:26:29,816
♪ I'm rapping to the beat
497
00:26:29,850 --> 00:26:33,267
Reid: The Sugarhill Gang song,
"Rappers Delight,"
498
00:26:33,302 --> 00:26:36,685
might be the most important
hip-hop song,
499
00:26:36,719 --> 00:26:39,101
and not just because
it was the first.
500
00:26:39,135 --> 00:26:40,550
Although
that's a big part of it.
501
00:26:40,585 --> 00:26:44,485
I just remember
how excited we all were.
502
00:26:46,246 --> 00:26:50,250
It helped young
burgeoning rappers like us.
503
00:26:50,284 --> 00:26:52,424
It allowed us to start dreaming.
504
00:26:52,459 --> 00:26:58,465
Hip-hop was the authentic
expression of a group of people
505
00:26:58,499 --> 00:27:02,469
who didn't have a voice
in any other way.
506
00:27:02,503 --> 00:27:05,403
They saw it as a form of art
507
00:27:05,437 --> 00:27:08,786
but also as a powerful
means of self-expression
508
00:27:08,820 --> 00:27:10,615
and as a means of visibility
509
00:27:10,650 --> 00:27:13,998
from a segment of the population
that was largely invisible.
510
00:27:14,032 --> 00:27:15,862
The power of rap and hip-hop
511
00:27:15,896 --> 00:27:18,588
becomes where
the protest movement comes from,
512
00:27:18,623 --> 00:27:22,800
and it's about speaking
one's heart to oppression.
513
00:27:22,834 --> 00:27:25,147
So much of the energy of hip-hop
514
00:27:25,181 --> 00:27:27,667
is about inscribing yourself
into culture,
515
00:27:27,701 --> 00:27:31,671
whether that's using music
to establish your identity
516
00:27:31,705 --> 00:27:35,053
and boast and
let people know who you are
517
00:27:35,088 --> 00:27:36,641
and what your skills are,
518
00:27:36,676 --> 00:27:41,404
whether that's through dancing,
deejaying or rapping.
519
00:27:41,439 --> 00:27:43,441
♪ My Adidas
520
00:27:43,475 --> 00:27:45,270
♪ Walk through concert doors
521
00:27:45,305 --> 00:27:47,756
♪ And roam all over
coliseum floors ♪
522
00:27:47,790 --> 00:27:49,999
Boyd: When you talk about
hip-hop and style,
523
00:27:50,034 --> 00:27:53,313
the beginning is the group,
Run-DMC.
524
00:27:53,347 --> 00:27:55,660
They had some cool songs,
525
00:27:55,695 --> 00:27:58,352
but what was really cool
about them was their style.
526
00:27:58,387 --> 00:28:01,839
The CAZAL glasses
that they wore,
527
00:28:01,873 --> 00:28:03,357
or the Goliath frames.
528
00:28:03,392 --> 00:28:06,844
If you're into the frame game,
these are legendary
529
00:28:06,878 --> 00:28:09,674
but also black leather,
and, of course,
530
00:28:09,709 --> 00:28:12,504
they made a famous song
called "My Adidas."
531
00:28:12,539 --> 00:28:14,852
The Adidas shell toe is,
in some ways,
532
00:28:14,886 --> 00:28:19,028
the legendary shoe
throughout hip-hop culture.
533
00:28:19,063 --> 00:28:20,547
Steele:
You had oversized clothes.
534
00:28:20,581 --> 00:28:23,861
You had a lot of big chains.
You had gold teeth.
535
00:28:23,895 --> 00:28:26,726
All of that was
a kind of excessive style
536
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:31,282
What you're trying to put forth
and portray is confidence,
537
00:28:31,316 --> 00:28:34,561
strength, affluence.
538
00:28:34,595 --> 00:28:37,771
Steele: This look at first
was mocked, but believe me,
539
00:28:37,806 --> 00:28:40,981
it was picked up
by high fashion really early on.
540
00:28:41,016 --> 00:28:42,638
For Chanel Haute Couture,
541
00:28:42,672 --> 00:28:45,365
Karl Lagerfeld
had the big, gold chains.
542
00:28:45,399 --> 00:28:47,677
Only now, there were big
double "C"s on them.
543
00:28:47,712 --> 00:28:51,405
It probably was the most
influential style change
544
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,408
in American fashion
in that decade.
545
00:28:54,443 --> 00:28:56,997
Big logos became very important.
546
00:28:57,032 --> 00:28:58,412
Yo, this is
Fab 5 Freddie.
547
00:28:58,447 --> 00:29:00,311
Welcome back
to "Yo! MTV Raps."
548
00:29:00,345 --> 00:29:01,761
We're here hanging out
in Dapper Dan's
549
00:29:01,795 --> 00:29:04,349
All-Night Boutique on
125th Street in Harlem.
550
00:29:04,384 --> 00:29:05,834
Tell me, who was some of
the other celebrities
551
00:29:05,868 --> 00:29:07,663
that come up here
and get their clothes made?
552
00:29:07,697 --> 00:29:11,494
LL Cool J, The Fat Boys,
Salt-N-Pepa,
553
00:29:11,529 --> 00:29:13,600
and, of course,
Eric B. & Rakim.
554
00:29:15,878 --> 00:29:19,571
Reid:
Dapper Dan is a New York legend.
555
00:29:19,606 --> 00:29:22,022
Dapper Dan, early on,
556
00:29:22,057 --> 00:29:28,788
tapped into black culture's
fascination with labels.
557
00:29:28,822 --> 00:29:32,515
I started playing with logos
probably around
558
00:29:32,550 --> 00:29:35,553
mid-'84, '85, like that.
559
00:29:35,587 --> 00:29:38,832
I had to come up with something
that was unique and rare,
560
00:29:38,867 --> 00:29:42,284
so I said,
"If I could print on leather,"
561
00:29:42,318 --> 00:29:43,872
which nobody else was doing,
562
00:29:43,906 --> 00:29:46,529
"I think that would be
a phenomenal thing to do."
563
00:29:46,564 --> 00:29:49,739
He appropriated the fabric,
some of the shapes,
564
00:29:49,774 --> 00:29:51,293
and it was completely
underground,
565
00:29:51,327 --> 00:29:53,226
and none of it was
approved by the brands.
566
00:29:53,260 --> 00:29:56,712
Steele:
He started making clothes
that the companies themselves
567
00:29:56,746 --> 00:29:58,403
hadn't thought of doing yet,
568
00:29:58,438 --> 00:30:01,268
and he made
this incredibly powerful,
569
00:30:01,303 --> 00:30:03,236
really postmodern look.
570
00:30:03,270 --> 00:30:06,480
Dan: Eventually, the outfits
and the look and the music
571
00:30:06,515 --> 00:30:09,863
all got popular
at the same time.
572
00:30:09,898 --> 00:30:14,834
Friedman:
The way that Dan used brands
fed kind of the rapper culture
573
00:30:14,868 --> 00:30:17,664
that was happening at that time
and coming out of Harlem.
574
00:30:17,698 --> 00:30:21,392
Once again, it goes back
to that hip-hop culture
575
00:30:21,426 --> 00:30:23,152
wanting to be exclusive.
576
00:30:23,187 --> 00:30:26,155
You know, you wanted to get
an outfit from Dapper Dan
577
00:30:26,190 --> 00:30:28,640
because nobody else had it.
578
00:30:28,675 --> 00:30:30,919
The new designer at Gucci,
Alessandro Michele,
579
00:30:30,953 --> 00:30:35,095
found one of these early homages
that Dapper Dan had done
580
00:30:35,130 --> 00:30:39,168
and effectively remade
the exact same garment.
581
00:30:39,203 --> 00:30:41,274
He's now ripped off the rip-off,
582
00:30:41,308 --> 00:30:45,519
and Alessandro Michele at Gucci
got in touch with Dan,
583
00:30:45,554 --> 00:30:47,418
and they had
a collaboration together.
584
00:30:47,452 --> 00:30:48,764
They've sponsored his shop,
585
00:30:48,798 --> 00:30:51,353
and he's become
very popular again.
586
00:31:03,848 --> 00:31:07,024
Woman: I remember a time
when gym class and exercise
587
00:31:07,058 --> 00:31:09,716
were pretty undesirable
activities for women.
588
00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:11,304
Well, today,
we women have realized
589
00:31:11,338 --> 00:31:14,169
that a regular exercise program
can make us feel better,
590
00:31:14,203 --> 00:31:15,446
look better, think better,
591
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,482
and even keep our bodies
from aging.
592
00:31:17,517 --> 00:31:19,933
Women: Whoo!
593
00:31:19,968 --> 00:31:21,141
Get ready to work out.
594
00:31:21,176 --> 00:31:22,694
Stand with your feet parallel,
595
00:31:22,729 --> 00:31:24,627
a little more
than hip-distance apart.
596
00:31:24,662 --> 00:31:27,182
Now, you should have your good
workout shoes on now.
597
00:31:27,216 --> 00:31:31,634
Jane Fonda, when she started
to do her exercise videos,
598
00:31:31,669 --> 00:31:35,707
it actually kind of
redeemed her.
599
00:31:35,742 --> 00:31:39,988
She was still dealing
with the "Hanoi Jane" situation.
600
00:31:40,022 --> 00:31:42,576
There were lots of people,
especially veterans,
601
00:31:42,611 --> 00:31:45,545
who wanted no part
of Jane Fonda,
602
00:31:45,579 --> 00:31:47,685
and yet,
when you looked at her,
603
00:31:47,719 --> 00:31:50,032
and you looked at
how great-looking she was,
604
00:31:50,067 --> 00:31:52,379
you know, women said,
especially housewives,
605
00:31:52,414 --> 00:31:55,106
"I want to look like Jane Fonda.
She looks great.
606
00:31:55,141 --> 00:31:56,590
I can relate to her."
607
00:31:56,625 --> 00:31:58,592
This happened right at the time
608
00:31:58,627 --> 00:32:02,148
when VCRs and videos
started coming out.
609
00:32:04,357 --> 00:32:06,773
Gunn: Suddenly, we have
workout clothes,
610
00:32:06,807 --> 00:32:08,568
and women are out
on the streets,
611
00:32:08,602 --> 00:32:10,777
not going to work out
but wearing a leotard,
612
00:32:10,811 --> 00:32:13,780
wearing leg warmers,
wearing sneakers everywhere,
613
00:32:13,814 --> 00:32:16,576
and then you think,
"What's going on?"
614
00:32:16,610 --> 00:32:18,923
Of course,
you had to have a leotard.
615
00:32:18,958 --> 00:32:21,719
You probably had
some sort of tights.
616
00:32:21,753 --> 00:32:24,549
You might have even had
a pair of briefs over it.
617
00:32:24,584 --> 00:32:27,794
You might have had a belt.
You have leg warmers.
618
00:32:27,828 --> 00:32:31,867
There were even, like, god
help us, like, the headbands.
619
00:32:31,901 --> 00:32:36,976
The cut of the leotard just
kept getting higher and higher
620
00:32:37,010 --> 00:32:38,529
and higher up on the hip
621
00:32:38,563 --> 00:32:42,119
as women tried to adhere
to a new fitter ideal.
622
00:32:44,569 --> 00:32:47,158
Steele: What's interesting
about exercise is,
623
00:32:47,193 --> 00:32:48,884
it used to be for centuries
624
00:32:48,918 --> 00:32:51,818
that your clothes
would create the shape.
625
00:32:51,852 --> 00:32:54,303
That corset would squeeze you
into certain shapes,
626
00:32:54,338 --> 00:32:57,065
and then as clothes showed off
more of your body,
627
00:32:57,099 --> 00:32:59,999
you couldn't rely on the clothes
to push the fat around.
628
00:33:00,033 --> 00:33:02,449
You had to try and do something
to get rid of the fat.
629
00:33:07,834 --> 00:33:10,561
I consider us a team, Tess,
and as such,
630
00:33:10,595 --> 00:33:13,771
we have a uniform --
simple, elegant, impeccable.
631
00:33:13,805 --> 00:33:15,980
Dress shabbily,
they notice the dress.
632
00:33:16,015 --> 00:33:18,948
Dress impeccably,
they notice the woman.
633
00:33:21,641 --> 00:33:24,575
As women are going
into the workforce more
634
00:33:24,609 --> 00:33:26,163
at somewhat higher levels,
635
00:33:26,197 --> 00:33:28,268
they're looking for clothes
that will make them look
636
00:33:28,303 --> 00:33:31,444
like they could be the boss
rather than the secretary.
637
00:33:31,478 --> 00:33:33,446
Truhler:
The power suit of the '80s
638
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:38,106
was comprised of a strong
shouldered jacket
639
00:33:38,140 --> 00:33:40,763
that was paired
with a pencil skirt
640
00:33:40,798 --> 00:33:44,008
or a pair of pants,
so it was basically,
641
00:33:44,043 --> 00:33:46,493
"What would a man wear
if he was a woman?"
642
00:33:46,528 --> 00:33:51,774
This was a time when women
were adopting masculine traits
643
00:33:51,809 --> 00:33:56,331
because masculinity is
so inextricably correlated
644
00:33:56,365 --> 00:33:57,849
to power at that time.
645
00:33:57,884 --> 00:34:01,853
There were no female role models
in corporate America.
646
00:34:01,888 --> 00:34:04,718
When we think about
the '80s power suit,
647
00:34:04,753 --> 00:34:07,376
it is Melanie Griffith
in "Working Girl,"
648
00:34:07,411 --> 00:34:09,689
big shoulders,
impeccably tailored,
649
00:34:09,723 --> 00:34:13,417
but also confining,
and rather masculine
650
00:34:13,451 --> 00:34:14,901
in a manner of speaking.
651
00:34:14,935 --> 00:34:17,524
Donna Karan was
the antidote to that.
652
00:34:17,559 --> 00:34:18,974
Women may wear high fashion,
653
00:34:19,008 --> 00:34:20,665
but they are very seldom
the designers.
654
00:34:20,700 --> 00:34:23,703
One exception -- Donna Karan.
She's now the undisputed leader
655
00:34:23,737 --> 00:34:25,670
among American women
fashion designers
656
00:34:25,705 --> 00:34:27,914
with a $30-million-a-year
business.
657
00:34:31,435 --> 00:34:33,195
I'm a woman who works.
658
00:34:33,230 --> 00:34:38,442
And most working women were
wearing suits, shirts, and ties,
659
00:34:38,476 --> 00:34:41,203
and that wasn't really me.
660
00:34:41,238 --> 00:34:42,756
I had an idea --
661
00:34:42,791 --> 00:34:45,414
seven easy pieces
and really simple.
662
00:34:45,449 --> 00:34:49,418
The Seven Easy Pieces
revolved around a centerpiece
663
00:34:49,453 --> 00:34:51,006
that is a body suit.
664
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,733
There is a skirt and a top.
665
00:34:53,767 --> 00:34:56,322
There's a draped cape of sorts.
666
00:34:56,356 --> 00:35:00,843
There is a pant, and they were
all made out of jersey,
667
00:35:00,878 --> 00:35:03,777
either wool or silk,
668
00:35:03,812 --> 00:35:06,366
so everything has
a wonderful stretch.
669
00:35:06,401 --> 00:35:09,956
It was separates on
a very sophisticated level.
670
00:35:09,990 --> 00:35:12,510
You can mix and match them.
You could travel with them.
671
00:35:12,545 --> 00:35:14,926
Her Seven Easy Pieces
were created because she said,
672
00:35:14,961 --> 00:35:17,722
"This is all you need
to feel secure and confident."
673
00:35:17,757 --> 00:35:22,693
Gunn:
We have a new power dressing
that is distinctly feminine
674
00:35:22,727 --> 00:35:25,972
and, quite frankly,
very alluring.
675
00:35:26,006 --> 00:35:27,974
They were owning their gender.
676
00:35:30,287 --> 00:35:34,774
I think I was a shock
to working women,
677
00:35:34,808 --> 00:35:37,328
you know, that you can feel
sensual and comfortable
678
00:35:37,363 --> 00:35:42,402
and tailored and day-to-night,
and if you're a working woman,
679
00:35:42,437 --> 00:35:45,612
you have no time to keep
changing your clothes.
680
00:35:45,647 --> 00:35:48,132
It's tough.
I don't want to worry about,
681
00:35:48,167 --> 00:35:50,238
"Oh, what am I going
to wear to work today."
682
00:35:50,272 --> 00:35:52,792
You got to get to work,
say hello to the kids,
683
00:35:52,826 --> 00:35:54,138
good night to the -- you know,
684
00:35:54,173 --> 00:35:58,798
and then be able
to go from work out.
685
00:35:58,832 --> 00:36:00,627
Furstenberg:
Donna Karan, very important,
686
00:36:00,662 --> 00:36:03,216
female designers
make clothes for women.
687
00:36:03,251 --> 00:36:05,736
They think about
the body and the woman
688
00:36:05,770 --> 00:36:07,979
and the comfort and use jersey.
689
00:36:08,014 --> 00:36:11,673
I did. Donna did.
Norma Kamali did.
690
00:36:11,707 --> 00:36:14,193
It was the perfect timing.
691
00:36:14,227 --> 00:36:16,195
It was the perfect
zeitgeist moment,
692
00:36:16,229 --> 00:36:18,197
and women loved it
and embraced it.
693
00:36:18,231 --> 00:36:22,684
And the next thing I know,
I'm in Bergdorf Goodman,
694
00:36:22,718 --> 00:36:24,272
and there I am.
695
00:36:24,306 --> 00:36:27,033
My seven little pieces
are in the windows,
696
00:36:27,067 --> 00:36:31,002
and it was an amazing success.
697
00:36:31,037 --> 00:36:33,350
I didn't expect it.
I really didn't.
698
00:36:33,384 --> 00:36:36,525
Gunn: I say that there are
three seminal moments
699
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,355
in 20th-century fashion,
700
00:36:38,389 --> 00:36:41,150
and each one of them
was created by a woman --
701
00:36:41,185 --> 00:36:44,533
Chanel, McCardell,
and Donna Karan.
702
00:37:02,413 --> 00:37:06,452
In the '80s, mens clothes still
had an IBM culture of dress.
703
00:37:06,486 --> 00:37:09,869
Big corporations were still
mandating the white shirts,
704
00:37:09,903 --> 00:37:13,493
blue suits, red-type ties.
705
00:37:13,528 --> 00:37:16,979
On Wall Street, you always had
a kind of a maverick breed
706
00:37:17,014 --> 00:37:19,396
that did a little bit
of their own thing.
707
00:37:19,430 --> 00:37:21,363
People in the investment world
made money.
708
00:37:21,398 --> 00:37:23,123
They wanted to look
like they made money,
709
00:37:23,158 --> 00:37:25,160
and in those days, the way
to look like you made money
710
00:37:25,194 --> 00:37:29,095
was to wear tailored clothing
and maybe suspenders.
711
00:37:29,129 --> 00:37:31,822
There were all these kind of,
like, symbols of having made it,
712
00:37:31,856 --> 00:37:34,480
something that you couldn't buy
ready-to-wear.
713
00:37:34,514 --> 00:37:37,345
So, Wall Street had always been
an interesting place
714
00:37:37,379 --> 00:37:40,244
because at some point,
people make enough money,
715
00:37:40,279 --> 00:37:41,935
and they can really dress
how they want to dress
716
00:37:41,970 --> 00:37:43,765
in that own little circle.
717
00:37:43,799 --> 00:37:46,423
Win a few, you lose a few,
718
00:37:46,457 --> 00:37:48,666
but you keep on fighting,
719
00:37:48,701 --> 00:37:50,910
and if you need a friend,
get a dog.
720
00:37:50,944 --> 00:37:53,153
Flusser: When I did
the "Wall Street" movie,
721
00:37:53,188 --> 00:37:54,810
I went to visit Michael Douglas
722
00:37:54,845 --> 00:37:56,881
on his Upper West Side
apartment.
723
00:37:56,916 --> 00:37:59,746
I was wearing what I was
typically wearing in those days,
724
00:37:59,781 --> 00:38:01,300
which was
a double-breasted suit,
725
00:38:01,334 --> 00:38:04,889
horizontal-striped shirt,
handkerchief, whatever,
726
00:38:04,924 --> 00:38:06,443
and he just looked and said,
727
00:38:06,477 --> 00:38:08,686
"Yeah, that's exactly how I want
to dress, just like that,"
728
00:38:08,721 --> 00:38:10,550
so it was kind of easy,
in a sense.
729
00:38:10,585 --> 00:38:12,518
Money itself
isn't lost or made.
730
00:38:12,552 --> 00:38:14,209
It's simply, uh,
transferred.
731
00:38:14,243 --> 00:38:17,143
We made him a wardrobe
that a dresser would wear.
732
00:38:17,177 --> 00:38:19,766
In some cases, the shirts
were a little bolder,
733
00:38:19,801 --> 00:38:22,873
maybe the patterns
a little bit stronger,
734
00:38:22,907 --> 00:38:26,463
just so on camera,
they would read that way.
735
00:38:26,497 --> 00:38:28,637
The ring, what kind of ring
he was going to wear,
736
00:38:28,672 --> 00:38:31,813
those were all chosen
with thought in mind of how to,
737
00:38:31,847 --> 00:38:36,058
again, project this guy
who could do whatever he wanted
738
00:38:36,093 --> 00:38:38,164
and was beholden to nobody.
739
00:38:38,198 --> 00:38:40,546
Somehow it hit such a nerve,
740
00:38:40,580 --> 00:38:44,619
we had people coming in
from Europe, from California,
741
00:38:44,653 --> 00:38:47,380
who literally just wanted
to look like Gordon Gekko --
742
00:38:47,415 --> 00:38:50,210
intimidating, strong,
743
00:38:50,245 --> 00:38:52,351
and they said they wanted
clothes.
744
00:38:52,385 --> 00:38:55,664
Greed, for lack of
a better word,
745
00:38:55,699 --> 00:38:57,735
is good.
746
00:38:57,770 --> 00:38:59,634
Greed is right.
747
00:38:59,668 --> 00:39:01,360
Greed works,
748
00:39:01,394 --> 00:39:06,019
and greed,
you mark my words,
749
00:39:06,054 --> 00:39:08,367
will not only save
Teldar Paper,
750
00:39:08,401 --> 00:39:12,301
but that other malfunctioning
corporation called the USA.
751
00:39:12,336 --> 00:39:15,408
Thank you very much.
752
00:39:15,443 --> 00:39:18,963
Boyd: In the film, Gordon Gekko
is saying basically,
753
00:39:18,998 --> 00:39:20,620
"Look, I'm rich,
754
00:39:20,655 --> 00:39:23,865
and I'm not ashamed
of the fact that I'm rich,
755
00:39:23,899 --> 00:39:27,213
and you should want
to be rich, too,
756
00:39:27,247 --> 00:39:28,939
and if you really
want to be rich,
757
00:39:28,973 --> 00:39:31,493
you should follow my lead."
758
00:39:31,528 --> 00:39:32,839
This, in a lot of ways,
759
00:39:32,874 --> 00:39:36,533
summarizes certain aspects
of the 1980s,
760
00:39:36,567 --> 00:39:42,090
this sort of ego-driven
pursuit of fame, status,
761
00:39:42,124 --> 00:39:44,195
wealth, and
material possessions.
762
00:39:44,230 --> 00:39:46,681
It's sort of
capitalism run amok.
763
00:39:48,545 --> 00:39:51,513
Reporter: In trading rooms on
Wall Street, there was panic.
764
00:39:51,548 --> 00:39:53,860
Reporter: The stock market
went into a free fall.
765
00:39:53,895 --> 00:39:56,069
Reporter:
The worst one-day decline ever.
766
00:39:56,104 --> 00:39:59,797
But it's the chickens
coming home to roost.
767
00:39:59,832 --> 00:40:03,076
Douglas: In the late '80s in
this unregulated environment,
768
00:40:03,111 --> 00:40:06,908
we get hedge-fund operators
and phony companies
769
00:40:06,942 --> 00:40:09,082
and people that
are pirating things,
770
00:40:09,117 --> 00:40:12,223
and it becomes too mainstream,
771
00:40:12,258 --> 00:40:15,744
that you're allowed to find ways
to circumvent the law.
772
00:40:15,779 --> 00:40:20,680
Our bipartisan bill gives a
25% reduction over three years.
773
00:40:20,715 --> 00:40:24,270
Douglas: Reagan used optimism
as an oxygen.
774
00:40:24,304 --> 00:40:26,652
"Just tell people
things are great
775
00:40:26,686 --> 00:40:28,585
and people will believe it."
776
00:40:28,619 --> 00:40:29,931
The problem with it is,
777
00:40:29,965 --> 00:40:32,209
there was a callousness
to Reaganism
778
00:40:32,243 --> 00:40:35,108
which belies the kind
of feel-good smile
779
00:40:35,143 --> 00:40:36,903
that he always projected.
780
00:40:44,877 --> 00:40:47,224
Friedman: In the '80s, there was
a lot of "I want this.
781
00:40:47,258 --> 00:40:48,881
I'm as good as you,
and I can do it,
782
00:40:48,915 --> 00:40:50,572
and I'm bigger than you,
and I got this,
783
00:40:50,607 --> 00:40:52,609
and Gucci, Gucci, Gucci."
784
00:40:52,643 --> 00:40:57,441
Avila: People convey political
ideals, political positions,
785
00:40:57,476 --> 00:41:00,893
political strategies
through style.
786
00:41:00,927 --> 00:41:05,829
The '80s youth culture is almost
always a music culture.
787
00:41:05,863 --> 00:41:09,522
Music videos revolutionized
the presentation of music.
788
00:41:09,557 --> 00:41:13,215
Hip-hop was thought to be
a fad that would pass,
789
00:41:13,250 --> 00:41:15,701
but its influence
has been profound
790
00:41:15,735 --> 00:41:19,532
throughout culture in America
and eventually across the globe.
791
00:41:19,567 --> 00:41:24,572
Steele:
Sexual and gender dynamics are
becoming much more complicated
792
00:41:24,606 --> 00:41:26,919
as both men and women,
for different reasons,
793
00:41:26,953 --> 00:41:32,338
are exploring other aspects
of the sex-gender continuum.
794
00:41:32,372 --> 00:41:35,962
Douglas: With the Cold War over,
the sky was the limit.
795
00:41:35,997 --> 00:41:37,481
We were number one.
796
00:41:37,516 --> 00:41:40,070
We were the world's
only superpower.
797
00:41:40,104 --> 00:41:43,832
Gunn: The currents
that existing in the '80s
798
00:41:43,867 --> 00:41:46,179
were suddenly not there,
799
00:41:46,214 --> 00:41:49,493
and American fashion didn't know
what it wanted to be.
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