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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,851 --> 00:00:06,682 Style is how you want to project yourself. 2 00:00:06,717 --> 00:00:08,270 I want to be different, and I think I look good 3 00:00:08,305 --> 00:00:09,789 the way I dress. 4 00:00:09,823 --> 00:00:13,413 Avila: Style is what's happening in the larger society, 5 00:00:13,448 --> 00:00:15,864 economy, the culture, politics. 6 00:00:15,898 --> 00:00:20,110 Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall. 7 00:00:20,144 --> 00:00:23,009 Gunn: It's how we express ourselves, through our clothing, 8 00:00:23,044 --> 00:00:25,494 how we live, the things that surround us. 9 00:00:27,841 --> 00:00:31,638 In the '80s, it was a lot of excess in every way. 10 00:00:31,673 --> 00:00:35,125 Reporter: The "me and more" generation, living to the max. 11 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:37,299 Man: We had our Calvin Kleins and our Ralph Laurens 12 00:00:37,334 --> 00:00:38,887 and our Donna Karans. 13 00:00:38,921 --> 00:00:40,889 Woman: Women that are really trying to get to the top 14 00:00:40,923 --> 00:00:43,650 have to work very, very, very hard. 15 00:00:43,685 --> 00:00:45,997 Steele: As women are going into the workforce, 16 00:00:46,032 --> 00:00:48,103 they're looking for clothes that will make them look 17 00:00:48,138 --> 00:00:51,313 like they could be the boss rather than the secretary. 18 00:00:51,348 --> 00:00:53,488 Greed is good. 19 00:00:53,522 --> 00:00:56,698 This is capitalism American style, 20 00:00:56,732 --> 00:00:59,080 the haves and the have-nots. 21 00:01:51,097 --> 00:01:53,755 Birnbach: The shabbiness of the '70s 22 00:01:53,789 --> 00:01:57,690 was stylistic but also more than that. 23 00:01:57,724 --> 00:01:59,761 We were in a real recession. 24 00:01:59,795 --> 00:02:02,453 We had a real oil crisis. 25 00:02:02,488 --> 00:02:04,455 We went to school in the dark. 26 00:02:04,490 --> 00:02:09,253 New York City was a dangerous, crime-ridden gang land. 27 00:02:09,288 --> 00:02:14,948 Truhler: Certainly, the drug scene got a little bit intense there, 28 00:02:14,983 --> 00:02:17,365 so I think there was just rebellion 29 00:02:17,399 --> 00:02:20,540 against living like that. 30 00:02:20,575 --> 00:02:24,303 People were just looking for "Let's fix this country," 31 00:02:24,337 --> 00:02:27,651 like, "Let's get things back on track." 32 00:02:32,034 --> 00:02:35,141 Reagan: I know that the economic program that I have proposed 33 00:02:35,176 --> 00:02:37,316 for this nation, in the next few years, 34 00:02:37,350 --> 00:02:40,595 is going to resolve many of the problems that trouble us today. 35 00:02:40,629 --> 00:02:44,978 I think people want to get back to the basic values 36 00:02:45,013 --> 00:02:47,567 that made our country strong and great. 37 00:02:47,602 --> 00:02:51,330 Reagan was very effective at helping the American psyche 38 00:02:51,364 --> 00:02:54,643 recover from the shocks of the '60s and '70s. 39 00:02:54,678 --> 00:02:56,921 He called a timeout on all of that and said, 40 00:02:56,956 --> 00:03:00,201 "We can be normal again. We can pull together again." 41 00:03:02,444 --> 00:03:05,999 Avila: For the people who voted for Ronald Reagan, 42 00:03:06,034 --> 00:03:10,556 they shared the optimism that Reagan himself embodied 43 00:03:10,590 --> 00:03:12,834 and expressed in his speeches. 44 00:03:12,868 --> 00:03:15,768 Reagan, of course, is known for 45 00:03:15,802 --> 00:03:17,804 "Make America great again." 46 00:03:17,839 --> 00:03:21,360 Birnbach: Ronald Reagan coasts into Washington, 47 00:03:21,394 --> 00:03:23,603 and there was a sense of, 48 00:03:23,638 --> 00:03:27,711 "Okay, now we're done with the earnestness and the hostages, 49 00:03:27,745 --> 00:03:30,161 and now let's just have a good time. 50 00:03:30,196 --> 00:03:31,646 Daddy is here." 51 00:03:37,030 --> 00:03:39,274 Avila: Ronald Reagan, Nancy Reagan, 52 00:03:39,309 --> 00:03:42,035 brought Hollywood glamour to the White House. 53 00:03:42,070 --> 00:03:46,730 You could also say they brought bling back to the White House. 54 00:03:46,764 --> 00:03:50,389 Flusser: The whole image of Nancy Reagan and Ronald Reagan 55 00:03:50,423 --> 00:03:52,253 both Hollywood fixtures, 56 00:03:52,287 --> 00:03:54,738 both people who had been in front of a camera, 57 00:03:54,772 --> 00:03:58,914 around a camera, understood the power of image. 58 00:03:58,949 --> 00:04:01,710 I've got an idea for another picture. 59 00:04:01,745 --> 00:04:03,574 I've got the chainsaw. 60 00:04:03,609 --> 00:04:05,335 No, and you're blocking me off. 61 00:04:05,369 --> 00:04:07,820 Chopping. 62 00:04:07,854 --> 00:04:09,787 Birnbach: They're from California. 63 00:04:09,822 --> 00:04:12,031 They have no cares or worries. 64 00:04:12,065 --> 00:04:14,067 Half of their kids don't even speak to them, 65 00:04:14,102 --> 00:04:17,105 but they're having a wonderful time with their rich friends, 66 00:04:17,139 --> 00:04:21,592 and they enjoyed the good life, and that was really clear. 67 00:04:21,627 --> 00:04:23,594 Friedman: The Reagans were all about being stars, 68 00:04:23,629 --> 00:04:26,942 and they understood incredibly well how to use image 69 00:04:26,977 --> 00:04:29,117 and how to communicate through image, 70 00:04:29,151 --> 00:04:30,567 which is really what fashion is about. 71 00:04:30,601 --> 00:04:32,569 It's about, "Okay, what is this dress going to tell 72 00:04:32,603 --> 00:04:35,675 the watching world about what this administration stands for 73 00:04:35,710 --> 00:04:37,401 and what this country stands for?" 74 00:04:39,921 --> 00:04:42,786 Gunn: It was the Reagan White House 75 00:04:42,820 --> 00:04:47,135 that had an excessive amount of state dinners, 76 00:04:47,169 --> 00:04:48,930 and they were all celebrity-studded. 77 00:04:48,964 --> 00:04:52,382 It was Hollywood's east coast home. 78 00:04:52,416 --> 00:04:54,453 Williams: When I was Miss America at my first state dinner, 79 00:04:54,487 --> 00:04:57,145 I remember standing in the line after I was presented, 80 00:04:57,179 --> 00:04:59,285 and Halston was next to me, 81 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:01,287 and then there was Martha Graham and Ginger Rogers, 82 00:05:01,322 --> 00:05:03,910 and I was like, "Oh, my god." I was 20 years old 83 00:05:03,945 --> 00:05:06,706 but talking about style and elegance 84 00:05:06,741 --> 00:05:09,537 and presence and icons. 85 00:05:09,571 --> 00:05:13,817 That brought a kind of attention to White House events 86 00:05:13,851 --> 00:05:15,819 that I don't believe the White House has had 87 00:05:15,853 --> 00:05:19,063 since the Kennedys. 88 00:05:19,098 --> 00:05:25,276 Avila: Nancy Reagan personified this kind of new American aristocracy 89 00:05:25,311 --> 00:05:27,451 that was rooted in the Republican party, 90 00:05:27,486 --> 00:05:29,971 that was rooted in southern California, 91 00:05:30,005 --> 00:05:31,317 and that was rooted in Hollywood. 92 00:05:31,352 --> 00:05:33,802 Flusser: Nancy Reagan was a rebuttal of 93 00:05:33,837 --> 00:05:36,115 what had been going on in the '70s. 94 00:05:36,149 --> 00:05:38,013 I think of her in, like, Chanel-type suits 95 00:05:38,048 --> 00:05:40,361 and very tailored and elegant. 96 00:05:40,395 --> 00:05:44,399 Gunn: Decked out in Adolfo and having her own big hair 97 00:05:44,434 --> 00:05:46,919 and lots of jewels and being a movie star. 98 00:05:46,953 --> 00:05:48,645 I mean, she knew what to do. 99 00:05:48,679 --> 00:05:51,164 She'd been working with stylists and makeup artists, 100 00:05:51,199 --> 00:05:55,272 so she knew how to look grand, and she did. 101 00:05:55,306 --> 00:05:56,998 Steele: She was instrumental in turning red 102 00:05:57,032 --> 00:05:59,000 from being the color of communism 103 00:05:59,034 --> 00:06:01,278 to being the color of Republicanism. 104 00:06:01,312 --> 00:06:04,108 You know, she had those beautiful red dresses, 105 00:06:04,143 --> 00:06:09,390 and that certainly became part of a kind of Reagan look. 106 00:06:10,667 --> 00:06:16,535 The Reagan model of "Let's all be grand and beautifully dressed 107 00:06:16,569 --> 00:06:19,814 and at least look like we've spent a lot of money" 108 00:06:19,848 --> 00:06:23,956 certainly had a huge impact on how Americans wanted to dress 109 00:06:23,990 --> 00:06:25,682 and how they wanted to live. 110 00:06:34,691 --> 00:06:40,006 The '80s have this extravagance, this excessiveness. 111 00:06:40,041 --> 00:06:44,977 Everyone wanted to be shiny and wear sequins 112 00:06:45,011 --> 00:06:48,843 and have big hair and excessive makeup. 113 00:06:48,877 --> 00:06:51,673 Jewelry was big. Earrings were big. 114 00:06:51,708 --> 00:06:54,020 The bigger the hair, the smaller the hips look. 115 00:06:54,055 --> 00:06:56,989 Volume was in with the big, puffy sleeves 116 00:06:57,023 --> 00:06:58,335 and the big, pouf skirts. 117 00:06:58,369 --> 00:06:59,888 The shoulder pads were bigger than 118 00:06:59,923 --> 00:07:03,444 the New York Giants shoulder pads with nipped-in waist. 119 00:07:03,478 --> 00:07:06,930 It was about things being overscale, 120 00:07:06,964 --> 00:07:09,277 and it was vulgar in a way. 121 00:07:09,311 --> 00:07:12,245 Truhler: As someone who suffered through the 1980s, 122 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:14,109 we really lost our way 123 00:07:14,144 --> 00:07:16,595 from a style perspective. 124 00:07:22,428 --> 00:07:25,189 Boyd: You know, you think about what's popular on television -- 125 00:07:25,224 --> 00:07:26,881 "Dallas," "Dynasty." 126 00:07:26,915 --> 00:07:32,058 I mean, these are programs about families with a lot of money, 127 00:07:32,093 --> 00:07:34,371 and they're not ashamed to show it. 128 00:07:34,405 --> 00:07:37,374 "Dallas" and "Dynasty" are caricatures 129 00:07:37,408 --> 00:07:39,376 but not that much of caricatures. 130 00:07:39,410 --> 00:07:42,621 Truhler: Everything was just this over-the-top glamour. 131 00:07:42,655 --> 00:07:44,795 Like, they were just lounging around 132 00:07:44,830 --> 00:07:46,487 in evening gowns all the time, 133 00:07:46,521 --> 00:07:50,111 and you couldn't have had a better villain 134 00:07:50,145 --> 00:07:51,595 than Joan Collins. 135 00:07:51,630 --> 00:07:54,046 -Are you insane? -Oh, no. 136 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:57,636 I'm perfectly sane, so take this junk 137 00:07:57,670 --> 00:07:59,914 and your blonde tramp, 138 00:07:59,948 --> 00:08:01,329 and get out of my home. 139 00:08:01,363 --> 00:08:02,951 Everything is being held up. 140 00:08:02,986 --> 00:08:06,161 Like, having a lot of money is the answer to everything. 141 00:08:06,196 --> 00:08:08,923 That's how you need to live. 142 00:08:11,650 --> 00:08:15,619 I sell very great condominiums in New York. 143 00:08:15,654 --> 00:08:17,483 Reporter: What Donald Trump does, of course, 144 00:08:17,518 --> 00:08:20,969 is make a lot of money and make sure everybody knows it -- 145 00:08:21,004 --> 00:08:22,799 a yacht, a mansion, 146 00:08:22,833 --> 00:08:24,835 a bigger mansion, an airline, 147 00:08:24,870 --> 00:08:27,493 two casinos, a bigger casino. 148 00:08:27,528 --> 00:08:29,012 Trump: That is really incredible. 149 00:08:29,046 --> 00:08:30,772 There's nothing like this place. 150 00:08:30,807 --> 00:08:34,431 Gunn: The Trumps are able to achieve the real thing 151 00:08:34,465 --> 00:08:38,193 and have real jewels and really big hair 152 00:08:38,228 --> 00:08:40,161 and be really gross and vulgar. 153 00:08:40,195 --> 00:08:43,992 Hilfiger: Everything was gold, big, loud. 154 00:08:44,027 --> 00:08:46,236 More is more is more is more. 155 00:08:46,270 --> 00:08:47,996 Birnbach: It was like they were at a costume party, 156 00:08:48,031 --> 00:08:49,688 and we were all watching it. 157 00:08:49,722 --> 00:08:52,449 We weren't really invited to the costume party. 158 00:08:52,483 --> 00:08:56,695 Ivana Trump wore these clothes which struck me 159 00:08:56,729 --> 00:09:00,561 as very unflattering to her, also her hairdo, 160 00:09:00,595 --> 00:09:04,357 which was kind of like a drip castle, and big jewelry, 161 00:09:04,392 --> 00:09:09,224 and it was as if some very shrewd salesperson had said, 162 00:09:09,259 --> 00:09:12,296 "Darling, you've got to wear this," 163 00:09:12,331 --> 00:09:16,577 and she just looked absurd. 164 00:09:16,611 --> 00:09:20,132 Douglas: Trump is a pure 1980s figure, 165 00:09:20,166 --> 00:09:24,136 the mogul who goes far by just being brash 166 00:09:24,170 --> 00:09:26,310 and getting his name put on as many buildings 167 00:09:26,345 --> 00:09:28,036 as humanly possible. 168 00:09:28,071 --> 00:09:30,383 Trump Tower is basically a temple 169 00:09:30,418 --> 00:09:32,213 to the excess of the '80s. 170 00:09:32,247 --> 00:09:35,837 It's basically gold-plated on the outside, 171 00:09:35,872 --> 00:09:39,047 and they have gold toilets. 172 00:09:39,082 --> 00:09:42,395 Birnbach: In the '80s, people were talking about money in a way 173 00:09:42,430 --> 00:09:45,640 that wasn't pooh-poohing it, that wasn't saying, 174 00:09:45,675 --> 00:09:48,401 "I'm going to work and do something meaningful now, 175 00:09:48,436 --> 00:09:50,990 and maybe one day I'll have enough money to buy a house." 176 00:09:51,025 --> 00:09:54,166 Oh, no. "I want a Jaguar. 177 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,409 I want Gucci this. 178 00:09:56,444 --> 00:09:58,757 I want money, and I want it now." 179 00:09:58,791 --> 00:10:00,241 It was a sort of rebellion 180 00:10:00,275 --> 00:10:04,072 against the traditional American way of life, 181 00:10:04,107 --> 00:10:05,556 which was to be discrete. 182 00:10:05,591 --> 00:10:07,420 Birnbach: Instead of saying, "Let me go get the car," 183 00:10:07,455 --> 00:10:09,491 people would say, "Well, let me go the Beemer." 184 00:10:09,526 --> 00:10:11,597 "Oh, yeah, my Chanel is in the other room." 185 00:10:11,632 --> 00:10:15,290 I mean, I really saw a kind of dependence 186 00:10:15,325 --> 00:10:19,640 on those labels to validate one's existence. 187 00:10:27,958 --> 00:10:31,375 Even if you went to East Overshoe Falls High School 188 00:10:31,410 --> 00:10:33,412 these days, you can be a preppy 189 00:10:33,446 --> 00:10:36,173 because it is a mania that is sweeping the country, 190 00:10:36,208 --> 00:10:38,348 thanks in large part to Lisa Birnbach. 191 00:10:38,382 --> 00:10:40,315 She's the editor of "The Preppy Handbook," 192 00:10:40,350 --> 00:10:42,110 which came out eight months ago 193 00:10:42,145 --> 00:10:46,632 and now has sold about a million copies. 194 00:10:46,667 --> 00:10:50,394 Birnbach: In 1980, I had a meeting at Workman Publishing, 195 00:10:50,429 --> 00:10:52,983 and they were looking for someone 196 00:10:53,018 --> 00:10:54,882 to write a book about preppies, 197 00:10:54,916 --> 00:10:57,712 and I had to tell America what preppies were 198 00:10:57,747 --> 00:10:59,334 because people would say, 199 00:10:59,369 --> 00:11:01,716 "Where did you find people who look like that 200 00:11:01,751 --> 00:11:03,545 and dress like that?" and I said, 201 00:11:03,580 --> 00:11:05,962 "Well, you've just insulted all my friends and my brothers." 202 00:11:05,996 --> 00:11:10,691 So, we thought only a few people who'd graduated from Exeter 203 00:11:10,725 --> 00:11:14,004 and St. Pauls would ever be interested in the book, 204 00:11:14,039 --> 00:11:20,183 and the book was sold out within a week of its appearance. 205 00:11:20,217 --> 00:11:23,255 It told the secrets of a way of life 206 00:11:23,289 --> 00:11:27,086 that had never been spilled like that. 207 00:11:27,121 --> 00:11:29,330 The book was absolutely tongue-in-cheek. 208 00:11:29,364 --> 00:11:31,470 The subtitle to "The Official Preppy Handbook" 209 00:11:31,504 --> 00:11:33,817 was, "Look, Muffy, a book for us." 210 00:11:33,852 --> 00:11:37,925 I was trying to make funny something that could 211 00:11:37,959 --> 00:11:41,031 be construed as very obnoxious, 212 00:11:41,066 --> 00:11:45,277 but people took it quite seriously as their self-help. 213 00:11:47,382 --> 00:11:50,869 Truhler: Growing up in the 1980s where style was just, 214 00:11:50,903 --> 00:11:52,629 like, all over the map, 215 00:11:52,663 --> 00:11:57,358 I was having trouble connecting with something, 216 00:11:57,392 --> 00:12:01,293 and so when I saw what was considered preppy style, 217 00:12:01,327 --> 00:12:05,400 I was like, "That's close. That's getting there." 218 00:12:05,435 --> 00:12:08,334 Birnbach: If you wear 100% cotton shirt 219 00:12:08,369 --> 00:12:11,579 and a pair of khakis and a pair of loafers, 220 00:12:11,613 --> 00:12:15,341 you look like you know what you're talking about. 221 00:12:15,376 --> 00:12:17,516 It's sort of an overall improvement 222 00:12:17,550 --> 00:12:21,900 of one's prospects and style. 223 00:12:21,934 --> 00:12:24,488 Woman: Whether it's the polo grounds of Connecticut 224 00:12:24,523 --> 00:12:26,732 or the yacht clubs of Cape Cod, 225 00:12:26,767 --> 00:12:29,562 Lauren's true talent lies in creating a desire 226 00:12:29,597 --> 00:12:34,878 for a certain lifestyle and selling the wardrobe to match. 227 00:12:34,913 --> 00:12:39,710 Gunn: American style conjures up a democracy of taste, 228 00:12:39,745 --> 00:12:45,855 and Ralph Lauren is the most American American. 229 00:12:45,889 --> 00:12:48,409 Flusser: One of the things the American aesthetic is about 230 00:12:48,443 --> 00:12:51,239 is taking lots of disparate elements 231 00:12:51,274 --> 00:12:54,587 and, you know, mixing them together like our own culture. 232 00:12:54,622 --> 00:12:57,349 Ralph was the first on so many fronts 233 00:12:57,383 --> 00:12:58,937 in terms of just showing somebody, 234 00:12:58,971 --> 00:13:01,111 "Oh, you can wear a sports jacket with a pair of jeans?" 235 00:13:01,146 --> 00:13:05,564 You never saw a European pull clothes together like that ever. 236 00:13:05,598 --> 00:13:08,601 Ralph embraces everything that is American, 237 00:13:08,636 --> 00:13:10,638 whether it's the Old West, 238 00:13:10,672 --> 00:13:13,296 whether it's Nantucket and Cape Cod, 239 00:13:13,330 --> 00:13:16,126 whether it's San Francisco society, 240 00:13:16,161 --> 00:13:17,610 whether it's Beverly Hills. 241 00:13:17,645 --> 00:13:21,028 The one day he wants to be on safari in Africa, 242 00:13:21,062 --> 00:13:22,615 and the next day, he wants to be 243 00:13:22,650 --> 00:13:24,410 in the board room on Wall Street. 244 00:13:24,445 --> 00:13:28,932 I worked with him, and he created movies in his mind. 245 00:13:28,967 --> 00:13:31,245 He was probably the best movie director 246 00:13:31,279 --> 00:13:35,594 in the history of Hollywood that never directed a movie. 247 00:13:35,628 --> 00:13:37,803 Banks: Having parents who were immigrants, 248 00:13:37,838 --> 00:13:40,668 they really come to embrace this country 249 00:13:40,702 --> 00:13:42,843 and the freedom that they have in America, 250 00:13:42,877 --> 00:13:44,568 and Ralph was one of those people. 251 00:13:44,603 --> 00:13:46,674 He wasn't just selling clothes. 252 00:13:46,708 --> 00:13:50,126 He was selling a lifestyle. He was selling a dream. 253 00:13:52,680 --> 00:13:56,166 Flusser: The message from his world about the difference 254 00:13:56,201 --> 00:13:58,824 between style and fashion and the idea 255 00:13:58,859 --> 00:14:01,654 that one should have an arm's-length relationship 256 00:14:01,689 --> 00:14:04,865 with fashion because fashion is something that changes, 257 00:14:04,899 --> 00:14:07,971 his point of view was you should be trying to buy clothes 258 00:14:08,006 --> 00:14:09,870 that are going to be with you for a long time. 259 00:14:09,904 --> 00:14:11,906 He never compromises. 260 00:14:11,941 --> 00:14:15,047 He is all about integrity -- integrity of product, 261 00:14:15,082 --> 00:14:19,810 integrity of manufacturer, and integrity of detail. 262 00:14:19,845 --> 00:14:23,366 Gunn: In a time when people of this nation were less confident 263 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:26,541 about how they were dressing, they really wanted to be led, 264 00:14:26,576 --> 00:14:28,612 and, "Oh, I'm head-to-toe Ralph Lauren. 265 00:14:28,647 --> 00:14:31,512 People will accept me. I must be okay." 266 00:14:31,546 --> 00:14:33,652 I asked my friend, "So who do you think is 267 00:14:33,686 --> 00:14:37,035 the most influential designer in the last 50 years?" 268 00:14:37,069 --> 00:14:39,313 People came up with Armani or Calvin Klein 269 00:14:39,347 --> 00:14:41,315 or, you know, a whole number of people, and then I said, 270 00:14:41,349 --> 00:14:44,835 "Well, who do you think has more clothes being worn 271 00:14:44,870 --> 00:14:48,425 that's 5 or 10 years old," and if you ask that question, 272 00:14:48,460 --> 00:14:50,841 there is no other answer but Ralph Lauren. 273 00:15:04,994 --> 00:15:08,238 You want to know what comes between me and my Calvins? 274 00:15:08,273 --> 00:15:10,240 Nothing. 275 00:15:10,275 --> 00:15:14,624 Steele: The Calvin Klein Brooke Shields ads were really revolutionary 276 00:15:14,658 --> 00:15:18,939 in terms of making overt sexuality part of advertising. 277 00:15:18,973 --> 00:15:21,769 He found, like, the sex in things, you know, 278 00:15:21,803 --> 00:15:25,014 which is such a touchy subject for Americans, right, 279 00:15:25,048 --> 00:15:27,982 and he, like, hit that button every damn time. 280 00:15:28,017 --> 00:15:30,260 Calvin Klein's advertising was rather scandalous. 281 00:15:30,295 --> 00:15:33,539 People were saying, "You're sexualizing this underage minor. 282 00:15:33,574 --> 00:15:35,956 What are you doing?" But it woke people up. 283 00:15:35,990 --> 00:15:38,027 And there were many times there would be an ad for Calvin Klein 284 00:15:38,061 --> 00:15:41,754 where there weren't many clothes involved, 285 00:15:41,789 --> 00:15:43,584 but it made you want to buy them. 286 00:15:45,724 --> 00:15:49,210 Steele: His underwear ads stopped traffic in Times Square. 287 00:15:49,245 --> 00:15:50,591 That was just revolutionary, 288 00:15:50,625 --> 00:15:53,387 this image of masculine sexuality. 289 00:15:53,421 --> 00:15:57,218 That was just absolutely galvanizing. 290 00:15:57,253 --> 00:16:00,911 Suddenly, men's underwear became a signifier. 291 00:16:00,946 --> 00:16:04,122 For the first time, that wasn't just a boring commodity 292 00:16:04,156 --> 00:16:07,401 like buying white bread or milk at the grocery store. 293 00:16:07,435 --> 00:16:11,439 It made every man, whether they looked like that or not, 294 00:16:11,474 --> 00:16:13,372 feel like, "If I buy that underwear, 295 00:16:13,407 --> 00:16:14,649 I'll look like that guy." 296 00:16:14,684 --> 00:16:16,375 I was head of design at Calvin Klein, 297 00:16:16,410 --> 00:16:17,963 and one day we were in the studio, 298 00:16:17,998 --> 00:16:20,655 and we had these long johns, and we cut them off. 299 00:16:20,690 --> 00:16:23,003 We showed it to Calvin. He thought it was amazing. 300 00:16:23,037 --> 00:16:25,143 David Geffen was visiting Calvin. 301 00:16:25,177 --> 00:16:27,559 He goes, "I have somebody that would be incredible," 302 00:16:27,593 --> 00:16:30,665 and he sends over Mark Wahlberg. 303 00:16:30,700 --> 00:16:32,115 That was the beginning of the boxer brief. 304 00:16:36,326 --> 00:16:38,984 Savage: Calvin Klein really deserves some credit 305 00:16:39,019 --> 00:16:42,608 for making objectification a two-way street, 306 00:16:42,643 --> 00:16:45,577 that women had been and still are objectified, 307 00:16:45,611 --> 00:16:47,027 but now men are. 308 00:16:47,061 --> 00:16:50,789 Truhler: This was the first time that it was done 309 00:16:50,823 --> 00:16:54,931 in such a mass-advertising way. 310 00:16:54,965 --> 00:16:58,693 The whole idea of a man taking care of his body, 311 00:16:58,728 --> 00:17:01,938 looking good, caring about the way he looked 312 00:17:01,972 --> 00:17:03,836 and the way he was groomed, 313 00:17:03,871 --> 00:17:06,943 broke the mold for how goods could be advertised 314 00:17:06,977 --> 00:17:09,497 and how far the envelope could be pushed. 315 00:17:21,544 --> 00:17:25,030 Man: Television came along and gave us the gift of sight, 316 00:17:25,065 --> 00:17:29,103 but it was cable that gave us the freedom of choice. 317 00:17:29,138 --> 00:17:33,107 In the 1980s, deregulation opened up a Wild West 318 00:17:33,142 --> 00:17:36,006 for media environment, which is cable television. 319 00:17:36,041 --> 00:17:38,802 Man: Ladies and gentlemen, rock and roll. 320 00:17:41,115 --> 00:17:42,392 I'm Martha Quinn. 321 00:17:42,427 --> 00:17:46,051 The music will continue nonstop on MTV Music Television, 322 00:17:46,086 --> 00:17:48,881 the newest component of your stereo system. 323 00:17:51,194 --> 00:17:54,024 Allen: I remember the day that MTV launched 324 00:17:54,059 --> 00:17:56,579 because everybody was so eager for it 325 00:17:56,613 --> 00:17:58,167 that people were throwing parties. 326 00:17:58,201 --> 00:18:00,307 There was such a fervor for the new video, 327 00:18:00,341 --> 00:18:03,137 and you had to see it, and what are they wearing, 328 00:18:03,172 --> 00:18:05,001 and what are the backup dancers wearing? 329 00:18:05,035 --> 00:18:06,934 We watched music videos avidly. 330 00:18:06,968 --> 00:18:09,109 That was where you got most of your fashion news. 331 00:18:09,143 --> 00:18:11,525 Picardi: Music videos allowed people to interpret fashion 332 00:18:11,559 --> 00:18:13,113 completely out of this Paris, 333 00:18:13,147 --> 00:18:15,667 Milan, New York, London ecosystem. 334 00:18:15,701 --> 00:18:18,152 It took control away from the magazines 335 00:18:18,187 --> 00:18:21,017 and gave it to a whole new legion of creatives. 336 00:18:23,709 --> 00:18:27,230 Style came to be increasingly more important, 337 00:18:27,265 --> 00:18:30,095 and the artist who really took advantage of this 338 00:18:30,130 --> 00:18:32,684 was the King of Pop, Michael Jackson. 339 00:18:32,718 --> 00:18:34,375 Dan: One of his jackets from "Thriller" 340 00:18:34,410 --> 00:18:37,102 was, like, a super seller. -When you think of this era, 341 00:18:37,137 --> 00:18:38,966 you think about someone like Prince. 342 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:43,729 He's pushing lines around race and gender. 343 00:18:43,764 --> 00:18:47,147 Truhler: The hair of the hair bands was huge, 344 00:18:47,181 --> 00:18:49,045 Aqua Net-ed up. 345 00:18:49,079 --> 00:18:51,151 Most of them laugh about that period of time 346 00:18:51,185 --> 00:18:52,359 for sure, you know? 347 00:18:52,393 --> 00:18:55,327 Hauser: I think of Blondie and in new wave and punk 348 00:18:55,362 --> 00:18:57,605 and just this kind of interesting marriage 349 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,884 of commercialism and art and fashion. 350 00:19:00,919 --> 00:19:02,990 And that revolutionized the way 351 00:19:03,024 --> 00:19:05,234 that the people listened to music 352 00:19:05,268 --> 00:19:08,098 because now there was a visual component. 353 00:19:08,133 --> 00:19:13,000 MTV came about, and whether it was Cyndi Lauper or Madonna, 354 00:19:13,034 --> 00:19:16,072 the fashion business followed. 355 00:19:16,106 --> 00:19:18,971 MTV was it at the time, and that really, to me, 356 00:19:19,006 --> 00:19:22,872 had the biggest impact on '80s style. 357 00:19:22,906 --> 00:19:24,908 Man: Are you the designer of your look, 358 00:19:24,943 --> 00:19:27,221 your hairstyle, the clothing? -Oh, yeah. 359 00:19:27,256 --> 00:19:29,292 Do you think someone else could come up with this? 360 00:19:32,364 --> 00:19:36,437 Steele: Madonna is a creature of the '80s and of music video 361 00:19:36,472 --> 00:19:40,855 because that's where she created this chameleon fashion persona. 362 00:19:40,890 --> 00:19:45,032 She was trained as a dancer, not as a musician. 363 00:19:45,066 --> 00:19:47,414 Truhler: Interesting to watch her start, 364 00:19:47,448 --> 00:19:51,072 taking so many influences from the New York club scene 365 00:19:51,107 --> 00:19:55,422 and turning that into Madonna's style 366 00:19:55,456 --> 00:19:58,873 that then got emulated by girls everywhere. 367 00:19:58,908 --> 00:20:02,774 She would wear mesh over a bra. You know, you had 368 00:20:02,808 --> 00:20:04,879 the "Desperately Seeking Susan" period, 369 00:20:04,914 --> 00:20:07,330 so you saw her lingerie. 370 00:20:07,365 --> 00:20:10,299 Picardi: It's this play on her Catholic-Italian upbringing 371 00:20:10,333 --> 00:20:12,473 of this, like, layering crucifixes 372 00:20:12,508 --> 00:20:13,957 over these crop tops. 373 00:20:13,992 --> 00:20:15,787 Steele: That was very much coming out of punk. 374 00:20:15,821 --> 00:20:17,271 You were doing it yourself, 375 00:20:17,306 --> 00:20:19,446 mixing up all kinds of things that didn't fit together. 376 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:21,793 And artists like Madonna never would have come 377 00:20:21,827 --> 00:20:23,898 to the forefront of culture 378 00:20:23,933 --> 00:20:26,176 unless she had a platform like MTV. 379 00:20:29,732 --> 00:20:34,737 Madonna resonated because she helped to break stereotypes 380 00:20:34,771 --> 00:20:37,809 of feminism, of female identity, 381 00:20:37,843 --> 00:20:40,260 and of female sexuality, in particular. 382 00:20:40,294 --> 00:20:43,021 King: This was shocking in the 1980s, 383 00:20:43,055 --> 00:20:46,231 the kind of freewheeling sexuality that you see 384 00:20:46,266 --> 00:20:48,233 when she's doing the performance of "Like a Virgin," 385 00:20:48,268 --> 00:20:50,235 for instance, as she's writhing on the floor, 386 00:20:50,270 --> 00:20:51,926 you know, in a marital dress. This is, like, 387 00:20:51,961 --> 00:20:53,997 shocking at the time to people, 388 00:20:54,032 --> 00:20:55,999 "Papa Don't Preach," songs like that, 389 00:20:56,034 --> 00:20:57,691 when she's talking about abortion. 390 00:20:57,725 --> 00:21:01,211 In the 1980s, you wouldn't necessarily have a conversation 391 00:21:01,246 --> 00:21:03,317 at your dinner table about feminism, 392 00:21:03,352 --> 00:21:05,733 but you would have a huge debate about Madonna. 393 00:21:05,768 --> 00:21:07,597 Madonna had her own interpretation 394 00:21:07,632 --> 00:21:10,566 on what was happening that wasn't so concerned with trends 395 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:12,671 and that was deeply personal. 396 00:21:12,706 --> 00:21:14,328 King: These mass-cultural artists, 397 00:21:14,363 --> 00:21:19,368 these people who challenge style and establishment sensibility, 398 00:21:19,402 --> 00:21:21,887 they were the people who pushed forward 399 00:21:21,922 --> 00:21:24,304 the conversations on identity. 400 00:21:29,309 --> 00:21:32,242 She is being compared today to Jackie Robinson. 401 00:21:32,277 --> 00:21:35,073 Vanessa Williams, a college junior from New York 402 00:21:35,107 --> 00:21:36,523 who has broken one of the nation's 403 00:21:36,557 --> 00:21:38,318 last remaining racial barriers. 404 00:21:38,352 --> 00:21:40,596 She is the first black Miss America. 405 00:21:46,981 --> 00:21:49,984 Reid: When Vanessa Williams was crowned Miss America, 406 00:21:50,019 --> 00:21:52,608 I mean, we were like, "What?" 407 00:21:52,642 --> 00:21:54,748 You know, it was awesome. 408 00:21:54,782 --> 00:21:57,992 We were very proud. We were excited. 409 00:21:58,027 --> 00:22:01,617 She was beautiful. She was classy. 410 00:22:01,651 --> 00:22:02,997 She looked like a beauty queen. 411 00:22:03,032 --> 00:22:06,829 Vanessa Williams becoming Miss America was like 412 00:22:06,863 --> 00:22:09,141 Obama becoming President of the United States. 413 00:22:09,176 --> 00:22:12,628 The first black anything is a big deal, 414 00:22:12,662 --> 00:22:14,319 but Miss America? 415 00:22:14,354 --> 00:22:19,117 Being a black person, our beauty was never acknowledged 416 00:22:19,151 --> 00:22:21,188 because of the color of our skin. 417 00:22:21,222 --> 00:22:22,948 You hear it throughout time. You know, 418 00:22:22,983 --> 00:22:24,950 "Black is beautiful. Black is beautiful." 419 00:22:24,985 --> 00:22:26,642 You know, she validated that. 420 00:22:26,676 --> 00:22:29,852 Williams: It was a huge honor and responsibility. 421 00:22:29,886 --> 00:22:31,854 Women who were elderly came up to me 422 00:22:31,888 --> 00:22:33,994 and thought they'd never see it in their lifetime. 423 00:22:34,028 --> 00:22:37,618 It's about time we had a beautiful black girl 424 00:22:37,653 --> 00:22:39,551 representing New York City. 425 00:22:39,586 --> 00:22:42,382 Women that were my age kind of cheered along 426 00:22:42,416 --> 00:22:45,212 because they knew that there was a color barrier 427 00:22:45,246 --> 00:22:47,628 that had been broken. -I was thrilled, actually. 428 00:22:47,663 --> 00:22:50,804 I couldn't stop my heart from beating when she won, yeah. 429 00:22:50,838 --> 00:22:53,358 Since roughly the mid to late-1950s, 430 00:22:53,393 --> 00:22:54,980 the Miss America Beauty Pageant 431 00:22:55,015 --> 00:22:58,812 is the standard of American feminine beauty. 432 00:22:58,846 --> 00:23:02,194 You can understand how someone like Vanessa Williams, 433 00:23:02,229 --> 00:23:05,819 as incredibly beautiful as she is and was, 434 00:23:05,853 --> 00:23:09,512 would still arouse resentment, 435 00:23:09,547 --> 00:23:11,687 largely in racial terms. 436 00:23:14,655 --> 00:23:17,555 Williams: Yes, a barrier was opened, but then there were people 437 00:23:17,589 --> 00:23:20,558 who were my own African-American contemporaries that said, 438 00:23:20,592 --> 00:23:22,422 "Well, it's not good enough. She's not dark enough. 439 00:23:22,456 --> 00:23:25,010 She looks like she could pass. She looks like she's mixed. 440 00:23:25,045 --> 00:23:26,529 It's not really a win for us," 441 00:23:26,564 --> 00:23:31,051 and that was actually more painful than the racism 442 00:23:31,085 --> 00:23:34,675 that I kind of anticipated from white people that said, 443 00:23:34,710 --> 00:23:38,403 "You're not good enough," because this my own community. 444 00:23:38,438 --> 00:23:40,578 Boyd: Well, anytime you have a cultural shift 445 00:23:40,612 --> 00:23:45,652 and part of that cultural shift involves the question of race, 446 00:23:45,686 --> 00:23:51,451 there is going to be some vocal strident pushback. 447 00:23:51,485 --> 00:23:54,661 Death threats, I had snipers on top of rooftops 448 00:23:54,695 --> 00:23:56,594 when I would do outdoor parades. 449 00:23:56,628 --> 00:23:59,804 At one particular parade, I couldn't even be outside. 450 00:23:59,838 --> 00:24:03,428 I had to be inside the car because there were threats. 451 00:24:03,463 --> 00:24:08,226 Boyd: She may have been accepted in terms of the pageant 452 00:24:08,260 --> 00:24:09,848 and the title she won, 453 00:24:09,883 --> 00:24:14,612 but that didn't mean that she was accepted throughout society. 454 00:24:14,646 --> 00:24:18,132 It's never a good idea in this society 455 00:24:18,167 --> 00:24:22,102 to be the first black anything. 456 00:24:22,136 --> 00:24:24,587 It is one thing to face up to a mistake 457 00:24:24,622 --> 00:24:26,278 that one makes in youth, 458 00:24:26,313 --> 00:24:28,557 but it is almost totally devastating 459 00:24:28,591 --> 00:24:30,559 to have to share it with the American public 460 00:24:30,593 --> 00:24:33,872 and the world at large as both a human being 461 00:24:33,907 --> 00:24:35,564 and as Miss America. 462 00:24:35,598 --> 00:24:38,981 They took away her crown for them pictures. 463 00:24:39,015 --> 00:24:41,155 Them pictures ain't nothing. 464 00:24:41,190 --> 00:24:44,227 Boyd: It is not at all surprising 465 00:24:44,262 --> 00:24:48,162 that the first African-American Miss America 466 00:24:48,197 --> 00:24:54,099 would be dethroned after the emergence of photos 467 00:24:54,134 --> 00:24:57,724 that many people considered inappropriate. 468 00:24:57,758 --> 00:25:02,142 Savage: A lot of racists took great satisfaction in the scandal, 469 00:25:02,176 --> 00:25:04,178 taking the crown away from Vanessa Williams, 470 00:25:04,213 --> 00:25:06,111 because they were able to say, "Told you so." 471 00:25:06,146 --> 00:25:10,184 As we break barriers, we break hearts. 472 00:25:10,219 --> 00:25:12,462 People just can't live with the fact 473 00:25:12,497 --> 00:25:16,259 that somebody who doesn't look like them 474 00:25:16,294 --> 00:25:19,262 is all of a sudden breaking the images 475 00:25:19,297 --> 00:25:21,368 that they have placed before them. 476 00:25:21,402 --> 00:25:25,165 It's amazing how far we've come as a country, 477 00:25:25,199 --> 00:25:27,063 and then it's amazing how many times 478 00:25:27,098 --> 00:25:30,377 we take 10-year steps backwards. 479 00:25:40,801 --> 00:25:43,114 Reporter: The drug epidemic is as dangerous 480 00:25:43,148 --> 00:25:45,979 as any terrorist that we face. It is serious. 481 00:25:46,013 --> 00:25:47,843 It is an epidemic, and it can kill. 482 00:25:47,877 --> 00:25:50,190 It's tearing the cities apart. 483 00:25:50,224 --> 00:25:54,090 Black communities in the 1980s were dealing with a lot. 484 00:25:54,125 --> 00:25:56,576 There was a lot of social marginalization. 485 00:25:56,610 --> 00:25:59,855 This was Reagan's conservative America, 486 00:25:59,889 --> 00:26:04,894 and there was an entrenched gap between the rich and the poor. 487 00:26:04,929 --> 00:26:06,827 It was the haves and the have-nots. 488 00:26:06,862 --> 00:26:09,589 People always talk about how great, "Oh, man, Reagan. 489 00:26:09,623 --> 00:26:11,660 Great Reagan years." I said, "Pshh." 490 00:26:11,694 --> 00:26:14,904 We were like, "Man, I can't tell. Not where we're from." 491 00:26:14,939 --> 00:26:16,734 Right now, all around us 492 00:26:16,768 --> 00:26:20,323 and so compelling you never miss the fact there's no melody, 493 00:26:20,358 --> 00:26:24,189 is a music that is all beat, strong beat, and talk. 494 00:26:24,224 --> 00:26:26,398 It's rap music, and it sounds like this. 495 00:26:26,433 --> 00:26:28,331 ♪ What you hear is not a test 496 00:26:28,366 --> 00:26:29,816 ♪ I'm rapping to the beat 497 00:26:29,850 --> 00:26:33,267 Reid: The Sugarhill Gang song, "Rappers Delight," 498 00:26:33,302 --> 00:26:36,685 might be the most important hip-hop song, 499 00:26:36,719 --> 00:26:39,101 and not just because it was the first. 500 00:26:39,135 --> 00:26:40,550 Although that's a big part of it. 501 00:26:40,585 --> 00:26:44,485 I just remember how excited we all were. 502 00:26:46,246 --> 00:26:50,250 It helped young burgeoning rappers like us. 503 00:26:50,284 --> 00:26:52,424 It allowed us to start dreaming. 504 00:26:52,459 --> 00:26:58,465 Hip-hop was the authentic expression of a group of people 505 00:26:58,499 --> 00:27:02,469 who didn't have a voice in any other way. 506 00:27:02,503 --> 00:27:05,403 They saw it as a form of art 507 00:27:05,437 --> 00:27:08,786 but also as a powerful means of self-expression 508 00:27:08,820 --> 00:27:10,615 and as a means of visibility 509 00:27:10,650 --> 00:27:13,998 from a segment of the population that was largely invisible. 510 00:27:14,032 --> 00:27:15,862 The power of rap and hip-hop 511 00:27:15,896 --> 00:27:18,588 becomes where the protest movement comes from, 512 00:27:18,623 --> 00:27:22,800 and it's about speaking one's heart to oppression. 513 00:27:22,834 --> 00:27:25,147 So much of the energy of hip-hop 514 00:27:25,181 --> 00:27:27,667 is about inscribing yourself into culture, 515 00:27:27,701 --> 00:27:31,671 whether that's using music to establish your identity 516 00:27:31,705 --> 00:27:35,053 and boast and let people know who you are 517 00:27:35,088 --> 00:27:36,641 and what your skills are, 518 00:27:36,676 --> 00:27:41,404 whether that's through dancing, deejaying or rapping. 519 00:27:41,439 --> 00:27:43,441 ♪ My Adidas 520 00:27:43,475 --> 00:27:45,270 ♪ Walk through concert doors 521 00:27:45,305 --> 00:27:47,756 ♪ And roam all over coliseum floors ♪ 522 00:27:47,790 --> 00:27:49,999 Boyd: When you talk about hip-hop and style, 523 00:27:50,034 --> 00:27:53,313 the beginning is the group, Run-DMC. 524 00:27:53,347 --> 00:27:55,660 They had some cool songs, 525 00:27:55,695 --> 00:27:58,352 but what was really cool about them was their style. 526 00:27:58,387 --> 00:28:01,839 The CAZAL glasses that they wore, 527 00:28:01,873 --> 00:28:03,357 or the Goliath frames. 528 00:28:03,392 --> 00:28:06,844 If you're into the frame game, these are legendary 529 00:28:06,878 --> 00:28:09,674 but also black leather, and, of course, 530 00:28:09,709 --> 00:28:12,504 they made a famous song called "My Adidas." 531 00:28:12,539 --> 00:28:14,852 The Adidas shell toe is, in some ways, 532 00:28:14,886 --> 00:28:19,028 the legendary shoe throughout hip-hop culture. 533 00:28:19,063 --> 00:28:20,547 Steele: You had oversized clothes. 534 00:28:20,581 --> 00:28:23,861 You had a lot of big chains. You had gold teeth. 535 00:28:23,895 --> 00:28:26,726 All of that was a kind of excessive style 536 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:31,282 What you're trying to put forth and portray is confidence, 537 00:28:31,316 --> 00:28:34,561 strength, affluence. 538 00:28:34,595 --> 00:28:37,771 Steele: This look at first was mocked, but believe me, 539 00:28:37,806 --> 00:28:40,981 it was picked up by high fashion really early on. 540 00:28:41,016 --> 00:28:42,638 For Chanel Haute Couture, 541 00:28:42,672 --> 00:28:45,365 Karl Lagerfeld had the big, gold chains. 542 00:28:45,399 --> 00:28:47,677 Only now, there were big double "C"s on them. 543 00:28:47,712 --> 00:28:51,405 It probably was the most influential style change 544 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,408 in American fashion in that decade. 545 00:28:54,443 --> 00:28:56,997 Big logos became very important. 546 00:28:57,032 --> 00:28:58,412 Yo, this is Fab 5 Freddie. 547 00:28:58,447 --> 00:29:00,311 Welcome back to "Yo! MTV Raps." 548 00:29:00,345 --> 00:29:01,761 We're here hanging out in Dapper Dan's 549 00:29:01,795 --> 00:29:04,349 All-Night Boutique on 125th Street in Harlem. 550 00:29:04,384 --> 00:29:05,834 Tell me, who was some of the other celebrities 551 00:29:05,868 --> 00:29:07,663 that come up here and get their clothes made? 552 00:29:07,697 --> 00:29:11,494 LL Cool J, The Fat Boys, Salt-N-Pepa, 553 00:29:11,529 --> 00:29:13,600 and, of course, Eric B. & Rakim. 554 00:29:15,878 --> 00:29:19,571 Reid: Dapper Dan is a New York legend. 555 00:29:19,606 --> 00:29:22,022 Dapper Dan, early on, 556 00:29:22,057 --> 00:29:28,788 tapped into black culture's fascination with labels. 557 00:29:28,822 --> 00:29:32,515 I started playing with logos probably around 558 00:29:32,550 --> 00:29:35,553 mid-'84, '85, like that. 559 00:29:35,587 --> 00:29:38,832 I had to come up with something that was unique and rare, 560 00:29:38,867 --> 00:29:42,284 so I said, "If I could print on leather," 561 00:29:42,318 --> 00:29:43,872 which nobody else was doing, 562 00:29:43,906 --> 00:29:46,529 "I think that would be a phenomenal thing to do." 563 00:29:46,564 --> 00:29:49,739 He appropriated the fabric, some of the shapes, 564 00:29:49,774 --> 00:29:51,293 and it was completely underground, 565 00:29:51,327 --> 00:29:53,226 and none of it was approved by the brands. 566 00:29:53,260 --> 00:29:56,712 Steele: He started making clothes that the companies themselves 567 00:29:56,746 --> 00:29:58,403 hadn't thought of doing yet, 568 00:29:58,438 --> 00:30:01,268 and he made this incredibly powerful, 569 00:30:01,303 --> 00:30:03,236 really postmodern look. 570 00:30:03,270 --> 00:30:06,480 Dan: Eventually, the outfits and the look and the music 571 00:30:06,515 --> 00:30:09,863 all got popular at the same time. 572 00:30:09,898 --> 00:30:14,834 Friedman: The way that Dan used brands fed kind of the rapper culture 573 00:30:14,868 --> 00:30:17,664 that was happening at that time and coming out of Harlem. 574 00:30:17,698 --> 00:30:21,392 Once again, it goes back to that hip-hop culture 575 00:30:21,426 --> 00:30:23,152 wanting to be exclusive. 576 00:30:23,187 --> 00:30:26,155 You know, you wanted to get an outfit from Dapper Dan 577 00:30:26,190 --> 00:30:28,640 because nobody else had it. 578 00:30:28,675 --> 00:30:30,919 The new designer at Gucci, Alessandro Michele, 579 00:30:30,953 --> 00:30:35,095 found one of these early homages that Dapper Dan had done 580 00:30:35,130 --> 00:30:39,168 and effectively remade the exact same garment. 581 00:30:39,203 --> 00:30:41,274 He's now ripped off the rip-off, 582 00:30:41,308 --> 00:30:45,519 and Alessandro Michele at Gucci got in touch with Dan, 583 00:30:45,554 --> 00:30:47,418 and they had a collaboration together. 584 00:30:47,452 --> 00:30:48,764 They've sponsored his shop, 585 00:30:48,798 --> 00:30:51,353 and he's become very popular again. 586 00:31:03,848 --> 00:31:07,024 Woman: I remember a time when gym class and exercise 587 00:31:07,058 --> 00:31:09,716 were pretty undesirable activities for women. 588 00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:11,304 Well, today, we women have realized 589 00:31:11,338 --> 00:31:14,169 that a regular exercise program can make us feel better, 590 00:31:14,203 --> 00:31:15,446 look better, think better, 591 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,482 and even keep our bodies from aging. 592 00:31:17,517 --> 00:31:19,933 Women: Whoo! 593 00:31:19,968 --> 00:31:21,141 Get ready to work out. 594 00:31:21,176 --> 00:31:22,694 Stand with your feet parallel, 595 00:31:22,729 --> 00:31:24,627 a little more than hip-distance apart. 596 00:31:24,662 --> 00:31:27,182 Now, you should have your good workout shoes on now. 597 00:31:27,216 --> 00:31:31,634 Jane Fonda, when she started to do her exercise videos, 598 00:31:31,669 --> 00:31:35,707 it actually kind of redeemed her. 599 00:31:35,742 --> 00:31:39,988 She was still dealing with the "Hanoi Jane" situation. 600 00:31:40,022 --> 00:31:42,576 There were lots of people, especially veterans, 601 00:31:42,611 --> 00:31:45,545 who wanted no part of Jane Fonda, 602 00:31:45,579 --> 00:31:47,685 and yet, when you looked at her, 603 00:31:47,719 --> 00:31:50,032 and you looked at how great-looking she was, 604 00:31:50,067 --> 00:31:52,379 you know, women said, especially housewives, 605 00:31:52,414 --> 00:31:55,106 "I want to look like Jane Fonda. She looks great. 606 00:31:55,141 --> 00:31:56,590 I can relate to her." 607 00:31:56,625 --> 00:31:58,592 This happened right at the time 608 00:31:58,627 --> 00:32:02,148 when VCRs and videos started coming out. 609 00:32:04,357 --> 00:32:06,773 Gunn: Suddenly, we have workout clothes, 610 00:32:06,807 --> 00:32:08,568 and women are out on the streets, 611 00:32:08,602 --> 00:32:10,777 not going to work out but wearing a leotard, 612 00:32:10,811 --> 00:32:13,780 wearing leg warmers, wearing sneakers everywhere, 613 00:32:13,814 --> 00:32:16,576 and then you think, "What's going on?" 614 00:32:16,610 --> 00:32:18,923 Of course, you had to have a leotard. 615 00:32:18,958 --> 00:32:21,719 You probably had some sort of tights. 616 00:32:21,753 --> 00:32:24,549 You might have even had a pair of briefs over it. 617 00:32:24,584 --> 00:32:27,794 You might have had a belt. You have leg warmers. 618 00:32:27,828 --> 00:32:31,867 There were even, like, god help us, like, the headbands. 619 00:32:31,901 --> 00:32:36,976 The cut of the leotard just kept getting higher and higher 620 00:32:37,010 --> 00:32:38,529 and higher up on the hip 621 00:32:38,563 --> 00:32:42,119 as women tried to adhere to a new fitter ideal. 622 00:32:44,569 --> 00:32:47,158 Steele: What's interesting about exercise is, 623 00:32:47,193 --> 00:32:48,884 it used to be for centuries 624 00:32:48,918 --> 00:32:51,818 that your clothes would create the shape. 625 00:32:51,852 --> 00:32:54,303 That corset would squeeze you into certain shapes, 626 00:32:54,338 --> 00:32:57,065 and then as clothes showed off more of your body, 627 00:32:57,099 --> 00:32:59,999 you couldn't rely on the clothes to push the fat around. 628 00:33:00,033 --> 00:33:02,449 You had to try and do something to get rid of the fat. 629 00:33:07,834 --> 00:33:10,561 I consider us a team, Tess, and as such, 630 00:33:10,595 --> 00:33:13,771 we have a uniform -- simple, elegant, impeccable. 631 00:33:13,805 --> 00:33:15,980 Dress shabbily, they notice the dress. 632 00:33:16,015 --> 00:33:18,948 Dress impeccably, they notice the woman. 633 00:33:21,641 --> 00:33:24,575 As women are going into the workforce more 634 00:33:24,609 --> 00:33:26,163 at somewhat higher levels, 635 00:33:26,197 --> 00:33:28,268 they're looking for clothes that will make them look 636 00:33:28,303 --> 00:33:31,444 like they could be the boss rather than the secretary. 637 00:33:31,478 --> 00:33:33,446 Truhler: The power suit of the '80s 638 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:38,106 was comprised of a strong shouldered jacket 639 00:33:38,140 --> 00:33:40,763 that was paired with a pencil skirt 640 00:33:40,798 --> 00:33:44,008 or a pair of pants, so it was basically, 641 00:33:44,043 --> 00:33:46,493 "What would a man wear if he was a woman?" 642 00:33:46,528 --> 00:33:51,774 This was a time when women were adopting masculine traits 643 00:33:51,809 --> 00:33:56,331 because masculinity is so inextricably correlated 644 00:33:56,365 --> 00:33:57,849 to power at that time. 645 00:33:57,884 --> 00:34:01,853 There were no female role models in corporate America. 646 00:34:01,888 --> 00:34:04,718 When we think about the '80s power suit, 647 00:34:04,753 --> 00:34:07,376 it is Melanie Griffith in "Working Girl," 648 00:34:07,411 --> 00:34:09,689 big shoulders, impeccably tailored, 649 00:34:09,723 --> 00:34:13,417 but also confining, and rather masculine 650 00:34:13,451 --> 00:34:14,901 in a manner of speaking. 651 00:34:14,935 --> 00:34:17,524 Donna Karan was the antidote to that. 652 00:34:17,559 --> 00:34:18,974 Women may wear high fashion, 653 00:34:19,008 --> 00:34:20,665 but they are very seldom the designers. 654 00:34:20,700 --> 00:34:23,703 One exception -- Donna Karan. She's now the undisputed leader 655 00:34:23,737 --> 00:34:25,670 among American women fashion designers 656 00:34:25,705 --> 00:34:27,914 with a $30-million-a-year business. 657 00:34:31,435 --> 00:34:33,195 I'm a woman who works. 658 00:34:33,230 --> 00:34:38,442 And most working women were wearing suits, shirts, and ties, 659 00:34:38,476 --> 00:34:41,203 and that wasn't really me. 660 00:34:41,238 --> 00:34:42,756 I had an idea -- 661 00:34:42,791 --> 00:34:45,414 seven easy pieces and really simple. 662 00:34:45,449 --> 00:34:49,418 The Seven Easy Pieces revolved around a centerpiece 663 00:34:49,453 --> 00:34:51,006 that is a body suit. 664 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,733 There is a skirt and a top. 665 00:34:53,767 --> 00:34:56,322 There's a draped cape of sorts. 666 00:34:56,356 --> 00:35:00,843 There is a pant, and they were all made out of jersey, 667 00:35:00,878 --> 00:35:03,777 either wool or silk, 668 00:35:03,812 --> 00:35:06,366 so everything has a wonderful stretch. 669 00:35:06,401 --> 00:35:09,956 It was separates on a very sophisticated level. 670 00:35:09,990 --> 00:35:12,510 You can mix and match them. You could travel with them. 671 00:35:12,545 --> 00:35:14,926 Her Seven Easy Pieces were created because she said, 672 00:35:14,961 --> 00:35:17,722 "This is all you need to feel secure and confident." 673 00:35:17,757 --> 00:35:22,693 Gunn: We have a new power dressing that is distinctly feminine 674 00:35:22,727 --> 00:35:25,972 and, quite frankly, very alluring. 675 00:35:26,006 --> 00:35:27,974 They were owning their gender. 676 00:35:30,287 --> 00:35:34,774 I think I was a shock to working women, 677 00:35:34,808 --> 00:35:37,328 you know, that you can feel sensual and comfortable 678 00:35:37,363 --> 00:35:42,402 and tailored and day-to-night, and if you're a working woman, 679 00:35:42,437 --> 00:35:45,612 you have no time to keep changing your clothes. 680 00:35:45,647 --> 00:35:48,132 It's tough. I don't want to worry about, 681 00:35:48,167 --> 00:35:50,238 "Oh, what am I going to wear to work today." 682 00:35:50,272 --> 00:35:52,792 You got to get to work, say hello to the kids, 683 00:35:52,826 --> 00:35:54,138 good night to the -- you know, 684 00:35:54,173 --> 00:35:58,798 and then be able to go from work out. 685 00:35:58,832 --> 00:36:00,627 Furstenberg: Donna Karan, very important, 686 00:36:00,662 --> 00:36:03,216 female designers make clothes for women. 687 00:36:03,251 --> 00:36:05,736 They think about the body and the woman 688 00:36:05,770 --> 00:36:07,979 and the comfort and use jersey. 689 00:36:08,014 --> 00:36:11,673 I did. Donna did. Norma Kamali did. 690 00:36:11,707 --> 00:36:14,193 It was the perfect timing. 691 00:36:14,227 --> 00:36:16,195 It was the perfect zeitgeist moment, 692 00:36:16,229 --> 00:36:18,197 and women loved it and embraced it. 693 00:36:18,231 --> 00:36:22,684 And the next thing I know, I'm in Bergdorf Goodman, 694 00:36:22,718 --> 00:36:24,272 and there I am. 695 00:36:24,306 --> 00:36:27,033 My seven little pieces are in the windows, 696 00:36:27,067 --> 00:36:31,002 and it was an amazing success. 697 00:36:31,037 --> 00:36:33,350 I didn't expect it. I really didn't. 698 00:36:33,384 --> 00:36:36,525 Gunn: I say that there are three seminal moments 699 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,355 in 20th-century fashion, 700 00:36:38,389 --> 00:36:41,150 and each one of them was created by a woman -- 701 00:36:41,185 --> 00:36:44,533 Chanel, McCardell, and Donna Karan. 702 00:37:02,413 --> 00:37:06,452 In the '80s, mens clothes still had an IBM culture of dress. 703 00:37:06,486 --> 00:37:09,869 Big corporations were still mandating the white shirts, 704 00:37:09,903 --> 00:37:13,493 blue suits, red-type ties. 705 00:37:13,528 --> 00:37:16,979 On Wall Street, you always had a kind of a maverick breed 706 00:37:17,014 --> 00:37:19,396 that did a little bit of their own thing. 707 00:37:19,430 --> 00:37:21,363 People in the investment world made money. 708 00:37:21,398 --> 00:37:23,123 They wanted to look like they made money, 709 00:37:23,158 --> 00:37:25,160 and in those days, the way to look like you made money 710 00:37:25,194 --> 00:37:29,095 was to wear tailored clothing and maybe suspenders. 711 00:37:29,129 --> 00:37:31,822 There were all these kind of, like, symbols of having made it, 712 00:37:31,856 --> 00:37:34,480 something that you couldn't buy ready-to-wear. 713 00:37:34,514 --> 00:37:37,345 So, Wall Street had always been an interesting place 714 00:37:37,379 --> 00:37:40,244 because at some point, people make enough money, 715 00:37:40,279 --> 00:37:41,935 and they can really dress how they want to dress 716 00:37:41,970 --> 00:37:43,765 in that own little circle. 717 00:37:43,799 --> 00:37:46,423 Win a few, you lose a few, 718 00:37:46,457 --> 00:37:48,666 but you keep on fighting, 719 00:37:48,701 --> 00:37:50,910 and if you need a friend, get a dog. 720 00:37:50,944 --> 00:37:53,153 Flusser: When I did the "Wall Street" movie, 721 00:37:53,188 --> 00:37:54,810 I went to visit Michael Douglas 722 00:37:54,845 --> 00:37:56,881 on his Upper West Side apartment. 723 00:37:56,916 --> 00:37:59,746 I was wearing what I was typically wearing in those days, 724 00:37:59,781 --> 00:38:01,300 which was a double-breasted suit, 725 00:38:01,334 --> 00:38:04,889 horizontal-striped shirt, handkerchief, whatever, 726 00:38:04,924 --> 00:38:06,443 and he just looked and said, 727 00:38:06,477 --> 00:38:08,686 "Yeah, that's exactly how I want to dress, just like that," 728 00:38:08,721 --> 00:38:10,550 so it was kind of easy, in a sense. 729 00:38:10,585 --> 00:38:12,518 Money itself isn't lost or made. 730 00:38:12,552 --> 00:38:14,209 It's simply, uh, transferred. 731 00:38:14,243 --> 00:38:17,143 We made him a wardrobe that a dresser would wear. 732 00:38:17,177 --> 00:38:19,766 In some cases, the shirts were a little bolder, 733 00:38:19,801 --> 00:38:22,873 maybe the patterns a little bit stronger, 734 00:38:22,907 --> 00:38:26,463 just so on camera, they would read that way. 735 00:38:26,497 --> 00:38:28,637 The ring, what kind of ring he was going to wear, 736 00:38:28,672 --> 00:38:31,813 those were all chosen with thought in mind of how to, 737 00:38:31,847 --> 00:38:36,058 again, project this guy who could do whatever he wanted 738 00:38:36,093 --> 00:38:38,164 and was beholden to nobody. 739 00:38:38,198 --> 00:38:40,546 Somehow it hit such a nerve, 740 00:38:40,580 --> 00:38:44,619 we had people coming in from Europe, from California, 741 00:38:44,653 --> 00:38:47,380 who literally just wanted to look like Gordon Gekko -- 742 00:38:47,415 --> 00:38:50,210 intimidating, strong, 743 00:38:50,245 --> 00:38:52,351 and they said they wanted clothes. 744 00:38:52,385 --> 00:38:55,664 Greed, for lack of a better word, 745 00:38:55,699 --> 00:38:57,735 is good. 746 00:38:57,770 --> 00:38:59,634 Greed is right. 747 00:38:59,668 --> 00:39:01,360 Greed works, 748 00:39:01,394 --> 00:39:06,019 and greed, you mark my words, 749 00:39:06,054 --> 00:39:08,367 will not only save Teldar Paper, 750 00:39:08,401 --> 00:39:12,301 but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA. 751 00:39:12,336 --> 00:39:15,408 Thank you very much. 752 00:39:15,443 --> 00:39:18,963 Boyd: In the film, Gordon Gekko is saying basically, 753 00:39:18,998 --> 00:39:20,620 "Look, I'm rich, 754 00:39:20,655 --> 00:39:23,865 and I'm not ashamed of the fact that I'm rich, 755 00:39:23,899 --> 00:39:27,213 and you should want to be rich, too, 756 00:39:27,247 --> 00:39:28,939 and if you really want to be rich, 757 00:39:28,973 --> 00:39:31,493 you should follow my lead." 758 00:39:31,528 --> 00:39:32,839 This, in a lot of ways, 759 00:39:32,874 --> 00:39:36,533 summarizes certain aspects of the 1980s, 760 00:39:36,567 --> 00:39:42,090 this sort of ego-driven pursuit of fame, status, 761 00:39:42,124 --> 00:39:44,195 wealth, and material possessions. 762 00:39:44,230 --> 00:39:46,681 It's sort of capitalism run amok. 763 00:39:48,545 --> 00:39:51,513 Reporter: In trading rooms on Wall Street, there was panic. 764 00:39:51,548 --> 00:39:53,860 Reporter: The stock market went into a free fall. 765 00:39:53,895 --> 00:39:56,069 Reporter: The worst one-day decline ever. 766 00:39:56,104 --> 00:39:59,797 But it's the chickens coming home to roost. 767 00:39:59,832 --> 00:40:03,076 Douglas: In the late '80s in this unregulated environment, 768 00:40:03,111 --> 00:40:06,908 we get hedge-fund operators and phony companies 769 00:40:06,942 --> 00:40:09,082 and people that are pirating things, 770 00:40:09,117 --> 00:40:12,223 and it becomes too mainstream, 771 00:40:12,258 --> 00:40:15,744 that you're allowed to find ways to circumvent the law. 772 00:40:15,779 --> 00:40:20,680 Our bipartisan bill gives a 25% reduction over three years. 773 00:40:20,715 --> 00:40:24,270 Douglas: Reagan used optimism as an oxygen. 774 00:40:24,304 --> 00:40:26,652 "Just tell people things are great 775 00:40:26,686 --> 00:40:28,585 and people will believe it." 776 00:40:28,619 --> 00:40:29,931 The problem with it is, 777 00:40:29,965 --> 00:40:32,209 there was a callousness to Reaganism 778 00:40:32,243 --> 00:40:35,108 which belies the kind of feel-good smile 779 00:40:35,143 --> 00:40:36,903 that he always projected. 780 00:40:44,877 --> 00:40:47,224 Friedman: In the '80s, there was a lot of "I want this. 781 00:40:47,258 --> 00:40:48,881 I'm as good as you, and I can do it, 782 00:40:48,915 --> 00:40:50,572 and I'm bigger than you, and I got this, 783 00:40:50,607 --> 00:40:52,609 and Gucci, Gucci, Gucci." 784 00:40:52,643 --> 00:40:57,441 Avila: People convey political ideals, political positions, 785 00:40:57,476 --> 00:41:00,893 political strategies through style. 786 00:41:00,927 --> 00:41:05,829 The '80s youth culture is almost always a music culture. 787 00:41:05,863 --> 00:41:09,522 Music videos revolutionized the presentation of music. 788 00:41:09,557 --> 00:41:13,215 Hip-hop was thought to be a fad that would pass, 789 00:41:13,250 --> 00:41:15,701 but its influence has been profound 790 00:41:15,735 --> 00:41:19,532 throughout culture in America and eventually across the globe. 791 00:41:19,567 --> 00:41:24,572 Steele: Sexual and gender dynamics are becoming much more complicated 792 00:41:24,606 --> 00:41:26,919 as both men and women, for different reasons, 793 00:41:26,953 --> 00:41:32,338 are exploring other aspects of the sex-gender continuum. 794 00:41:32,372 --> 00:41:35,962 Douglas: With the Cold War over, the sky was the limit. 795 00:41:35,997 --> 00:41:37,481 We were number one. 796 00:41:37,516 --> 00:41:40,070 We were the world's only superpower. 797 00:41:40,104 --> 00:41:43,832 Gunn: The currents that existing in the '80s 798 00:41:43,867 --> 00:41:46,179 were suddenly not there, 799 00:41:46,214 --> 00:41:49,493 and American fashion didn't know what it wanted to be. 65402

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