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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,001 --> 00:00:02,993 Subtitles by explosiveskull 2 00:00:05,267 --> 00:00:07,472 ♪ But I bet we wouldn't get too far ♪ 3 00:00:07,474 --> 00:00:09,585 ♪ Before the transformation takes ♪ 4 00:00:09,587 --> 00:00:11,536 ♪ And bloodlust tanks and crave gets slaked ♪ 5 00:00:11,538 --> 00:00:14,129 ♪ My mind has changed my body's frame ♪ 6 00:00:14,131 --> 00:00:16,689 ♪ But God, I like it ♪ 7 00:00:16,691 --> 00:00:19,537 ♪ My heart's aflame, my body's strained ♪ 8 00:00:19,539 --> 00:00:21,810 ♪ But God, I like it ♪ 9 00:00:22,099 --> 00:00:24,721 ♪ My mind has changed, my body's frame ♪ 10 00:00:24,723 --> 00:00:27,219 ♪ But God, I like it ♪ 11 00:00:27,442 --> 00:00:30,193 ♪ My heart's aflame, my body's strained ♪ 12 00:00:30,195 --> 00:00:32,436 ♪ But God, I like it ♪ 13 00:00:34,035 --> 00:00:38,708 ♪ Charge me your day rate, I'll turn you out in kind ♪ 14 00:00:39,283 --> 00:00:41,200 ♪ When the moon is round and full ♪ 15 00:00:41,202 --> 00:00:44,592 ♪ Gonna teach you tricks that'll blow your mongrel mind ♪ 16 00:00:44,594 --> 00:00:46,547 ♪ Baby doll, I recognize ♪ 17 00:00:47,059 --> 00:00:49,331 ♪ You're a hideous thing inside ♪ 18 00:00:49,714 --> 00:00:51,729 ♪ If ever there were a lucky kind ♪ 19 00:00:51,731 --> 00:00:53,680 ♪ It's you, you, you, you ♪ 20 00:00:53,682 --> 00:00:58,577 ♪ I know it's strange, another way to get to know you ♪ 21 00:00:58,579 --> 00:01:00,241 ♪ You'll never know ♪ 22 00:01:00,243 --> 00:01:03,988 ♪ Unless we go so let me show you ♪ 23 00:01:04,243 --> 00:01:05,715 ♪ I know it's strange... ♪ 24 00:01:24,819 --> 00:01:28,212 It's an energy thing. It moves around a lot. 25 00:01:32,083 --> 00:01:35,508 The process of identification is I'm right there with you. 26 00:01:39,379 --> 00:01:41,232 In the height of the moment, I say, "Assassin." 27 00:01:41,234 --> 00:01:43,154 Because that's what I feel like. 28 00:01:43,603 --> 00:01:47,188 I'm locked in, I got my sights on you, 29 00:01:47,826 --> 00:01:49,107 and I'm gonna take you out. 30 00:01:52,210 --> 00:01:54,576 Early on, I tapped in to that instinct, 31 00:01:54,578 --> 00:01:56,497 and that's where I want to go every time. 32 00:01:56,499 --> 00:01:57,620 I want that feeling. 33 00:02:03,571 --> 00:02:05,394 'Cause I'm just after that one thing. 34 00:02:06,067 --> 00:02:07,604 I'm not after your soul. 35 00:02:08,626 --> 00:02:10,353 I'm after your fucking aura. 36 00:02:15,219 --> 00:02:17,745 Four-one-six, I need a notification to Bellevue. 37 00:02:17,747 --> 00:02:20,753 I have a male patient in his 40s, Mick Rock. 38 00:02:20,755 --> 00:02:25,393 Robert Oscar Charlie King. Patient is conscious. 39 00:02:25,395 --> 00:02:29,232 Rule out acute M.I. Vital signs 140/80... 40 00:02:49,842 --> 00:02:53,490 ♪ So messed up, I want you here ♪ 41 00:02:57,490 --> 00:03:01,108 ♪ In my room, I want you here ♪ 42 00:03:05,170 --> 00:03:08,659 ♪ Now we're gonna be face-to-face ♪ 43 00:03:12,435 --> 00:03:16,179 ♪ And I'll lay right down in my favorite place ♪ 44 00:03:20,242 --> 00:03:23,732 ♪ And now I wanna be your dog ♪ 45 00:03:24,211 --> 00:03:27,668 ♪ Now I wanna be your dog ♪ 46 00:03:27,923 --> 00:03:31,124 ♪ Now I wanna be your dog ♪ 47 00:03:38,899 --> 00:03:40,275 ♪ Come on ♪ 48 00:03:57,426 --> 00:03:58,833 People often ask about, you know, 49 00:03:58,835 --> 00:04:00,945 "When you nearly died, Mick, do you regret?" 50 00:04:01,971 --> 00:04:06,704 I mean, technically, you know, on a karmic level, 51 00:04:06,706 --> 00:04:08,274 I kind of regret 52 00:04:09,011 --> 00:04:11,025 that I got myself into that state, 53 00:04:11,027 --> 00:04:13,233 but the other part of me says, 54 00:04:13,235 --> 00:04:14,577 "Could it have been any different?" 55 00:04:14,579 --> 00:04:17,712 And every time I ask myself that question, I say, "No." 56 00:04:17,714 --> 00:04:21,427 Mick! Mick! Mick! Mick! Mick! Mick! 57 00:04:24,723 --> 00:04:26,415 I don't want to get too mystical about it, 58 00:04:26,417 --> 00:04:28,979 but I do believe that everybody has a destiny, 59 00:04:29,619 --> 00:04:32,497 but that not everybody grasps that destiny. 60 00:04:32,499 --> 00:04:34,931 Mine was pretty clear when I look back, 61 00:04:35,123 --> 00:04:37,363 and especially in the fucking name, Mick Rock. 62 00:04:37,875 --> 00:04:38,995 Is that your real name? 63 00:04:39,219 --> 00:04:40,692 It is Michael David Rock. 64 00:04:41,139 --> 00:04:42,544 That was your dad's name? 65 00:04:42,546 --> 00:04:43,793 Rock was his name, yeah. 66 00:04:43,795 --> 00:04:45,684 It was just good timing, wasn't it, really? 67 00:04:46,066 --> 00:04:48,211 Photographer, Mick Rock, joins us. 68 00:04:48,434 --> 00:04:51,696 His photos make up a large part of David Bowie... 69 00:04:51,698 --> 00:04:54,131 I just followed my instincts. I knew what I liked. 70 00:04:54,706 --> 00:04:57,012 I was drawn, you know, to the good, 71 00:04:57,203 --> 00:04:59,251 the bad, and the wicked. 72 00:05:00,018 --> 00:05:03,792 I've lived a very wild life because, you know, 73 00:05:03,794 --> 00:05:06,545 I've been hanging out with a lot of very wild people. 74 00:05:06,547 --> 00:05:09,615 And the camera just kind of led me by the nose almost, 75 00:05:09,617 --> 00:05:11,857 and I never looked back. 76 00:05:11,859 --> 00:05:13,841 Just kept going and going and going. 77 00:05:13,843 --> 00:05:14,992 Legendary Mick Rock. 78 00:05:14,994 --> 00:05:17,551 This is just, I mean, come on. Freddie Mercury and Queen. 79 00:05:17,553 --> 00:05:19,536 There it is, Lou Reed, my man. 80 00:05:19,538 --> 00:05:21,265 I learned a lot from Lou, yeah. 81 00:05:21,267 --> 00:05:22,992 Absolutely, yeah. 82 00:05:22,994 --> 00:05:24,976 Not all my best habits, I might add. 83 00:06:27,763 --> 00:06:29,424 I always knew 84 00:06:29,426 --> 00:06:32,018 that this was the life I was meant to live. 85 00:06:32,275 --> 00:06:35,124 I just had to, you know, make sure 86 00:06:35,539 --> 00:06:38,772 in the final analysis that it made some kind of sense. 87 00:07:00,147 --> 00:07:02,035 Yeah, I came back here in my dreams. 88 00:07:02,706 --> 00:07:04,818 I even teleported once or twice 89 00:07:05,073 --> 00:07:08,339 in a certain state of psychedelic inebriation. 90 00:07:13,586 --> 00:07:16,273 Yeah, this place gets into your skull. 91 00:07:16,275 --> 00:07:19,027 No doubt about it. It's a beautiful place. 92 00:07:22,579 --> 00:07:27,540 In this environment, you could be in any century. 93 00:07:28,113 --> 00:07:33,041 I think that enabled my imagination to run, 94 00:07:33,043 --> 00:07:35,378 shall we say, a little frantically. 95 00:07:48,466 --> 00:07:51,025 My mother fueled a certain insecurity in me 96 00:07:51,027 --> 00:07:53,523 that the only way I could get an identity 97 00:07:53,777 --> 00:07:55,506 was to get into Cambridge. 98 00:08:03,185 --> 00:08:06,579 It wasn't easy to do for someone born of extremely modest means. 99 00:08:07,026 --> 00:08:09,491 It did teach me something about projection. 100 00:08:10,035 --> 00:08:12,401 If you project strongly enough, 101 00:08:12,403 --> 00:08:14,320 and I sometimes in my early days, you think, 102 00:08:14,322 --> 00:08:16,114 "Well, I got there 'cause my mother projected it." 103 00:08:19,539 --> 00:08:22,000 That's where I got my head fuller with all these, 104 00:08:22,002 --> 00:08:23,474 you know, great poets, 105 00:08:24,787 --> 00:08:26,739 zoomed out of their brains, coming up with great art. 106 00:08:28,531 --> 00:08:30,195 The symbolist poets. 107 00:08:31,218 --> 00:08:32,947 The English Romantics. 108 00:08:33,842 --> 00:08:35,762 And, of course, the American Beat poets. 109 00:08:41,907 --> 00:08:44,496 Arthur Rimbaud was, like, 110 00:08:44,498 --> 00:08:47,634 the ultimate realization of the symbolist poet. 111 00:08:48,339 --> 00:08:50,609 He would go, like, for several days 112 00:08:50,611 --> 00:08:52,335 without food and sleep 113 00:08:52,337 --> 00:08:54,962 and then he'd whack a little bit of chemical inside himself. 114 00:08:55,186 --> 00:08:57,107 He worked in a purely associative way. 115 00:09:23,377 --> 00:09:26,736 The idea, the idea of these people 116 00:09:26,738 --> 00:09:29,011 and the idea of the kind of lives they led 117 00:09:29,203 --> 00:09:31,632 started to confirm my suspicions that, 118 00:09:31,634 --> 00:09:33,459 indeed, there was... 119 00:09:33,843 --> 00:09:35,376 There was a more interesting life 120 00:09:35,378 --> 00:09:38,353 than the one I'd had as a child. 121 00:09:38,355 --> 00:09:39,635 It wasn't a bad life. 122 00:09:48,242 --> 00:09:50,960 The lysergic experience opened up my third eye, 123 00:09:50,962 --> 00:09:51,922 you might say. 124 00:09:55,505 --> 00:09:58,065 I remember the first time I went up to see this guy. 125 00:09:58,067 --> 00:09:59,281 He was an artist. 126 00:09:59,283 --> 00:10:02,259 He had a bottle of the liquid stuff with a dropper. 127 00:10:02,673 --> 00:10:04,402 And he got out the blotting paper. 128 00:10:06,099 --> 00:10:08,943 He couldn't have known how strong, 129 00:10:08,945 --> 00:10:10,481 but this stuff, I remember. 130 00:10:10,483 --> 00:10:13,424 Once it kicked in, the entire universe, 131 00:10:13,426 --> 00:10:17,010 like, rushed through my body. I saw everything, everything. 132 00:10:19,089 --> 00:10:21,970 It definitely, I mean, intensified all the colors, 133 00:10:22,418 --> 00:10:25,394 intensified the frame. It intensified everything. 134 00:10:26,610 --> 00:10:31,313 The altered state was something that was there. 135 00:10:31,315 --> 00:10:33,907 I mean, it had become part of me. 136 00:10:34,161 --> 00:10:35,954 The yoga fortified. 137 00:10:37,811 --> 00:10:40,948 The practices of Yogi Bhajan enabled access. 138 00:10:41,523 --> 00:10:44,463 You know, you could be in a non-chemical state 139 00:10:44,465 --> 00:10:45,809 and you could still start 140 00:10:45,811 --> 00:10:47,730 to get traces of this perception. 141 00:10:47,987 --> 00:10:49,520 And then when you combine the two, 142 00:10:49,522 --> 00:10:51,443 of course, whoopsie daisy. 143 00:11:01,171 --> 00:11:04,656 Photography wandered idly into my life. 144 00:11:05,745 --> 00:11:09,490 There was a chemical experience. 145 00:11:11,794 --> 00:11:13,458 The chemical overload. 146 00:11:14,547 --> 00:11:16,144 Well, I got the excitement of the... 147 00:11:16,146 --> 00:11:18,575 Every time I pressed 148 00:11:18,577 --> 00:11:20,242 that shutter, it was like an explosion. 149 00:11:21,970 --> 00:11:25,234 It looked different every time I clicked it. 150 00:11:25,746 --> 00:11:30,034 So, there was this world of entertainment in the camera. 151 00:11:51,986 --> 00:11:54,672 And then about three days later, I was back in my friend's room 152 00:11:54,674 --> 00:11:56,979 and I saw the camera, 'cause it was his, not mine. 153 00:11:57,746 --> 00:12:00,337 And I said to him, "Oh, I think I, you know, 154 00:12:00,339 --> 00:12:02,483 shot some film the other night. I bet that's interesting." 155 00:12:09,009 --> 00:12:10,867 Apparently, there was nothing in the camera. 156 00:12:12,337 --> 00:12:15,919 But still, that's when this word, 157 00:12:15,921 --> 00:12:18,031 you know, you can put it in quotes, 158 00:12:18,033 --> 00:12:20,626 "magic" started to get into my mind. 159 00:12:26,515 --> 00:12:30,064 ♪ Lime and limpid green, a second scene ♪ 160 00:12:30,066 --> 00:12:33,491 ♪ A fight between the blue you once knew... ♪ 161 00:12:34,354 --> 00:12:36,209 '67, that's the summer of love. 162 00:12:36,211 --> 00:12:39,571 And here I am, you know, Fanny Golightly. 163 00:12:41,778 --> 00:12:43,952 I had a habit of staring 164 00:12:43,954 --> 00:12:46,383 at friends' faces under certain circumstances 165 00:12:46,385 --> 00:12:48,881 'cause you could see the whole of the universe 166 00:12:48,883 --> 00:12:50,001 since the beginning of time. 167 00:12:50,003 --> 00:12:53,650 It would revolve and roll. I remember that so vividly. 168 00:12:55,442 --> 00:12:56,560 I would take pictures 169 00:12:56,562 --> 00:12:59,952 of lady friends or girlfriends of friends, 170 00:12:59,954 --> 00:13:03,345 and it wasn't that long, and somebody offered me 171 00:13:03,347 --> 00:13:06,673 a fiver to take photos of a local band, 172 00:13:06,675 --> 00:13:08,019 and my brain went clunk. 173 00:13:09,746 --> 00:13:11,346 Hello, hello, hello. 174 00:13:15,186 --> 00:13:18,387 In the beginning was Syd. Psychedelic Syd. 175 00:13:18,642 --> 00:13:20,880 Like nothing I'd ever seen before. 176 00:13:20,882 --> 00:13:23,824 In fact, like nothing, really, anyone in England, 177 00:13:23,826 --> 00:13:25,107 certainly, had ever seen before. 178 00:13:25,682 --> 00:13:27,344 Had a band called Pink Floyd. 179 00:13:28,881 --> 00:13:30,833 ♪ Honey, love you, honey little ♪ 180 00:13:30,835 --> 00:13:32,592 ♪ Honey funny, sunny morning ♪ 181 00:13:32,594 --> 00:13:33,648 ♪ Love you more funny... ♪ 182 00:13:33,650 --> 00:13:35,791 Syd had actually left Pink Floyd 183 00:13:35,793 --> 00:13:38,163 and was living in relative obscurity. 184 00:13:38,545 --> 00:13:42,449 He asked me to take the cover photo for his solo album, 185 00:13:42,451 --> 00:13:43,986 The Madcap Laughs. 186 00:13:45,361 --> 00:13:49,042 I didn't really have any plans. It was simply to shoot El Syd. 187 00:13:49,874 --> 00:13:52,499 And Iggy opened the door in the all together. 188 00:13:53,842 --> 00:13:55,507 All together, now, Miss Iggy. 189 00:13:55,954 --> 00:13:57,615 ♪ Honey, love you, honey little ♪ 190 00:13:57,617 --> 00:13:59,343 ♪ Honey funny, sunny morning... ♪ 191 00:13:59,345 --> 00:14:02,290 She was holding company with Syd. 192 00:14:03,570 --> 00:14:06,130 But, of course, the gift was the floorboards. 193 00:14:09,362 --> 00:14:11,248 He had moved in not long beforehand 194 00:14:11,250 --> 00:14:12,783 and he was painting the floorboards. 195 00:14:12,785 --> 00:14:14,768 He used to paint over all the... 196 00:14:14,770 --> 00:14:16,753 I mean, there were dog-ends buried in there. 197 00:14:16,755 --> 00:14:19,184 He didn't clean the floors before he slapped the paint on. 198 00:14:19,186 --> 00:14:21,808 ♪ You are a nice little one to put it all around ♪ 199 00:14:21,810 --> 00:14:23,343 I only had daylight film, 200 00:14:23,345 --> 00:14:24,752 and that had to be push processed. 201 00:14:24,754 --> 00:14:27,343 That's why they have this kind of painterly look about them, 202 00:14:27,345 --> 00:14:29,235 because technically, they're fucked. 203 00:14:30,385 --> 00:14:32,240 ♪ Honey, love you, honey little ♪ 204 00:14:32,242 --> 00:14:34,192 ♪ Honey funny, sunny morning... ♪ 205 00:14:34,194 --> 00:14:35,505 See, that should really have been the cover 206 00:14:35,507 --> 00:14:36,914 of Madcap Laughs. 207 00:14:37,106 --> 00:14:40,083 See the crop? That's what me and Syd wanted. 208 00:14:52,083 --> 00:14:54,610 I saw him like a soft poet. 209 00:14:55,089 --> 00:14:58,863 Like a Baudelaire or Rimbaud or these characters 210 00:14:58,865 --> 00:15:00,787 that I'd been studying at Cambridge. 211 00:15:05,874 --> 00:15:08,048 Not long before those sessions, 212 00:15:08,050 --> 00:15:10,258 I took a fucking acid trip with Syd. 213 00:15:10,514 --> 00:15:11,667 Just me and Syd, 214 00:15:12,754 --> 00:15:14,032 listening to music, lot of laughing about. 215 00:15:14,034 --> 00:15:17,331 I remember he'd roll around. He'd piss his knickers. 216 00:15:18,258 --> 00:15:22,419 Syd Barrett on acid, he's such a gentle soul. 217 00:15:35,857 --> 00:15:40,210 I was an outsider with this little group of hip characters, 218 00:15:40,657 --> 00:15:42,384 and you'd spend all your time with these people 219 00:15:42,386 --> 00:15:44,528 who wouldn't hang out with anybody that wasn't. 220 00:15:44,530 --> 00:15:48,079 So, that feeling of being outside was also a warm feeling 221 00:15:48,081 --> 00:15:50,833 'cause you're inside this other little cocoon 222 00:15:51,217 --> 00:15:52,946 of like-minded people. 223 00:15:59,409 --> 00:16:01,392 Very strange how it all turned out, 224 00:16:01,394 --> 00:16:02,515 though, you know? 225 00:16:06,003 --> 00:16:07,154 Syd in the garden. 226 00:16:11,250 --> 00:16:13,873 Syd was out of London, was living in Cambridge, 227 00:16:14,257 --> 00:16:17,200 when I was starting to write little bits 228 00:16:17,202 --> 00:16:19,888 and pieces for different magazines, 229 00:16:19,890 --> 00:16:22,643 and this I actually did for Rolling Stone Magazine. 230 00:16:33,458 --> 00:16:34,994 Syd lost interest. 231 00:16:35,763 --> 00:16:37,872 He never did another photo session, 232 00:16:37,874 --> 00:16:39,539 he never did another interview. 233 00:16:47,730 --> 00:16:50,163 He actually said all he ever wanted to do 234 00:16:50,514 --> 00:16:54,066 as a kid was jump around and play the guitar, 235 00:16:54,321 --> 00:16:55,890 but he couldn't get there anymore. 236 00:17:12,433 --> 00:17:13,839 The tickets available 237 00:17:13,841 --> 00:17:16,176 for tonight's performance are in the box office. 238 00:17:16,178 --> 00:17:17,618 The box office is in the front foyer 239 00:17:18,002 --> 00:17:19,153 on the right-hand side. 240 00:17:20,529 --> 00:17:23,183 So, it was Marc Bolan of T. Rex who first popped up 241 00:17:23,185 --> 00:17:25,906 with the makeup and the Vaudevillian clothes. 242 00:17:26,386 --> 00:17:30,418 However, something more fascinating was looming. 243 00:17:34,801 --> 00:17:36,560 It was also very unlikely 244 00:17:36,562 --> 00:17:39,344 the carrot-colored hair-do and the jumpsuit, 245 00:17:39,346 --> 00:17:42,387 the red plastic boots and the mismatched eyeballs, 246 00:17:43,026 --> 00:17:45,906 no seasoned betting man would've backed this one. 247 00:17:46,546 --> 00:17:47,696 But I knew what I liked, 248 00:17:47,698 --> 00:17:50,130 and that was enough to make the first move. 249 00:17:51,281 --> 00:17:53,135 And I remember the night 250 00:17:53,137 --> 00:17:55,090 I peeked around his dressing-room door. 251 00:17:55,569 --> 00:17:58,769 "I like your name. It can't be real," he told me. 252 00:17:59,921 --> 00:18:02,608 There and then, he invited me back to his house 253 00:18:02,610 --> 00:18:04,080 and we stayed up all night 254 00:18:04,082 --> 00:18:06,322 and talked about all kinds of things. 255 00:18:29,745 --> 00:18:30,800 There was a certain awareness 256 00:18:30,802 --> 00:18:34,994 of being with that level of intelligence in the room. 257 00:18:35,377 --> 00:18:37,072 You know, the pictures got elevated. 258 00:18:37,074 --> 00:18:39,122 They acquired this other quality. 259 00:18:42,578 --> 00:18:45,747 I remember taking them up to David's office. 260 00:18:46,386 --> 00:18:48,848 His manager said, "David says that you see him 261 00:18:48,850 --> 00:18:50,547 the way he sees himself." 262 00:19:27,601 --> 00:19:29,842 ♪ I'm an alligator ♪ 263 00:19:30,162 --> 00:19:32,847 ♪ I'm a mama, papa comin' for you... ♪ 264 00:19:32,849 --> 00:19:34,642 It was a Friday night, I do believe. 265 00:19:34,897 --> 00:19:36,306 Oxford Town Hall. 266 00:19:36,562 --> 00:19:38,258 It's his biggest audience to date. 267 00:19:38,641 --> 00:19:40,978 People were starting to notice him. 268 00:19:41,425 --> 00:19:43,471 The encore was coming, and I ran 'round. 269 00:19:43,473 --> 00:19:44,976 I had been up front. 270 00:19:44,978 --> 00:19:47,119 You can see that from some of the other pictures 271 00:19:47,121 --> 00:19:48,659 on the contact sheet. 272 00:19:49,457 --> 00:19:51,538 I was just on the side of the stage. 273 00:19:51,794 --> 00:19:53,296 David hadn't announced to me, 274 00:19:53,298 --> 00:19:54,959 that he was gonna do anything in particular. 275 00:19:54,961 --> 00:19:56,496 I don't think he did with anybody. 276 00:19:56,498 --> 00:19:58,803 ♪ Don't fake it, baby ♪ 277 00:19:59,762 --> 00:20:02,352 ♪ Lay the real thing on me... ♪ 278 00:20:02,354 --> 00:20:05,647 But what he was planning to do was simply bite Mick's guitar. 279 00:20:05,649 --> 00:20:08,113 He said to me, "Did you get it? Did you get it?" 280 00:20:09,521 --> 00:20:11,857 ♪ Make me, baby... ♪ 281 00:20:13,042 --> 00:20:14,703 The timing couldn't have been better 282 00:20:14,705 --> 00:20:16,912 'cause it was as the closets were opening up 283 00:20:16,914 --> 00:20:18,098 and, you know, 284 00:20:19,250 --> 00:20:21,490 there was David chomping away on Mick's rod. 285 00:20:22,098 --> 00:20:23,600 That was a big deal, 286 00:20:23,602 --> 00:20:26,512 in terms of a bigger audience for my personal work. 287 00:20:26,514 --> 00:20:28,274 People started asking who took it. 288 00:20:30,514 --> 00:20:32,879 I hadn't done a lot of performance photography 289 00:20:32,881 --> 00:20:34,449 until David came along. 290 00:20:35,121 --> 00:20:37,295 And actually, you look at the early pictures I did of David, 291 00:20:37,297 --> 00:20:41,583 and you can see there's a certain looseness that later on, 292 00:20:41,585 --> 00:20:43,823 you know, I could get great shapes in the shot. 293 00:20:43,825 --> 00:20:46,384 ♪ Freak out in a moonage daydream ♪ 294 00:20:46,386 --> 00:20:48,241 ♪ Oh, yeah ♪ 295 00:20:57,202 --> 00:20:58,799 We were engaging 296 00:20:58,801 --> 00:21:01,042 in a certain amount of propaganda, 297 00:21:01,328 --> 00:21:02,706 and I was a true believer. 298 00:21:04,049 --> 00:21:06,095 ♪ Strung out on lasers and slash back blazers ♪ 299 00:21:06,097 --> 00:21:07,632 I mean, this moment in time, 300 00:21:07,634 --> 00:21:09,682 he did not need bodyguards. 301 00:21:09,938 --> 00:21:13,264 It was all designed to give people the idea, 302 00:21:13,266 --> 00:21:14,387 "Who's this guy? 303 00:21:15,698 --> 00:21:16,975 We don't know who he is, but he's got these bodyguards 304 00:21:16,977 --> 00:21:19,346 and a personal photographer. He must be a big deal." 305 00:21:21,106 --> 00:21:22,418 ♪ Get back on it ♪ 306 00:21:23,121 --> 00:21:26,002 ♪ Jean Genie lives on his back ♪ 307 00:21:26,738 --> 00:21:29,071 ♪ The Jean Genie loves chimney stacks... ♪ 308 00:21:29,073 --> 00:21:29,906 He had a mission, 309 00:21:30,993 --> 00:21:31,953 which he spelled out to me very early on. 310 00:21:33,169 --> 00:21:35,859 Ziggy Stardust, as an album, is all about stardom. 311 00:21:37,201 --> 00:21:38,607 I mean, he's had this whiff of it, 312 00:21:38,609 --> 00:21:39,794 but he's not a star. 313 00:21:40,817 --> 00:21:43,282 When the album is made, the album made him a star. 314 00:22:22,642 --> 00:22:24,431 Let me put my best damn knickers on. 315 00:22:24,433 --> 00:22:26,607 I remember talking to Terry O'Neill about this once. 316 00:22:26,609 --> 00:22:28,655 We both did a radio show a few years ago, 317 00:22:28,657 --> 00:22:30,959 and he said he never really hung out 318 00:22:30,961 --> 00:22:32,113 with the people he photographed. 319 00:22:33,938 --> 00:22:36,114 I was kind of like, you know... 320 00:22:36,914 --> 00:22:39,954 Especially in these early years, but that's how it all grew. 321 00:22:44,593 --> 00:22:48,016 I don't think they felt that I was an outsider. 322 00:22:48,018 --> 00:22:50,514 I was part of the fabric. 323 00:22:50,897 --> 00:22:54,066 I was celebrating, and I think they all knew that. 324 00:22:59,378 --> 00:23:01,455 So, I was a natural, organic, 325 00:23:01,457 --> 00:23:04,499 you know, Joseph Goebbels for the piece and the time. 326 00:23:05,169 --> 00:23:06,738 And I came very cheap. 327 00:23:08,722 --> 00:23:11,858 ♪ It's a god-awful small affair ♪ 328 00:23:12,977 --> 00:23:16,018 ♪ To the girl with the mousy hair ♪ 329 00:23:16,657 --> 00:23:19,569 ♪ But her mummy is yelling "No" ♪ 330 00:23:20,528 --> 00:23:23,826 ♪ And her daddy has told her to go ♪ 331 00:23:24,785 --> 00:23:27,665 ♪ But her friend is nowhere to be seen ♪ 332 00:23:28,337 --> 00:23:31,666 ♪ Now she walks through her sunken dream ♪ 333 00:23:32,049 --> 00:23:34,899 ♪ To the seat with the clearest view ♪ 334 00:23:35,922 --> 00:23:38,766 ♪ And she's hooked to the silver screen... ♪ 335 00:23:38,768 --> 00:23:41,362 This must've been shot in 1973. 336 00:23:42,194 --> 00:23:45,779 I suppose minimalistic would be an inadequate description, 337 00:23:46,353 --> 00:23:48,370 but, of course, I was particularly lucky, 338 00:23:49,105 --> 00:23:51,538 as I was often, especially in those days, 339 00:23:51,857 --> 00:23:53,522 to have this amazing subject. 340 00:23:53,777 --> 00:23:57,807 ♪ Sailors fighting in the dance hall ♪ 341 00:23:57,809 --> 00:24:01,778 ♪ Oh, man, look at those cavemen go ♪ 342 00:24:03,442 --> 00:24:06,386 ♪ It's the freakiest show ♪ 343 00:24:07,058 --> 00:24:08,430 ♪ Take a look at the lawman... ♪ 344 00:24:08,432 --> 00:24:10,162 I mean, what is he, you know? 345 00:24:11,025 --> 00:24:13,296 Whatever it was, he gave off a certain kind of awareness, 346 00:24:13,298 --> 00:24:14,738 and I fed off it. 347 00:24:15,248 --> 00:24:16,881 I was open to it. 348 00:24:17,776 --> 00:24:20,399 ♪ He's in the best-selling show... ♪ 349 00:24:21,810 --> 00:24:28,530 ♪ Is there life on Mars? ♪ 350 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,529 ♪ White light's surely gonna make me blind ♪ 351 00:25:17,361 --> 00:25:19,603 ♪ White shaping way down to my toes ♪ 352 00:25:20,274 --> 00:25:22,094 ♪ White light could kill me now... ♪ 353 00:25:22,096 --> 00:25:23,054 It was the encore, 354 00:25:23,056 --> 00:25:25,230 and David had already been playing 355 00:25:25,232 --> 00:25:29,008 "I'm Waiting for My Man" and "White Light / White Heat." 356 00:25:29,010 --> 00:25:32,082 Anyway, come the encore, up popped Lou. 357 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,577 For whatever reason, I was near the back. 358 00:25:35,474 --> 00:25:37,265 I didn't get any close shots of them. 359 00:25:37,521 --> 00:25:39,311 Perhaps I'd gone out for a piss or something. 360 00:25:39,313 --> 00:25:40,273 I don't know. 361 00:25:43,537 --> 00:25:46,288 I remember noticing even though it was David's concert 362 00:25:46,290 --> 00:25:48,495 and Lou had come on for the encore, 363 00:25:48,497 --> 00:25:52,655 David left Lou alone. He did not go to Lou's mike. 364 00:25:52,657 --> 00:25:54,610 He treated him with great deference. 365 00:25:55,217 --> 00:25:58,894 I always saw them symbolically, the light and the dark. 366 00:25:58,896 --> 00:26:02,290 They had a certain symbiosis. 367 00:26:08,561 --> 00:26:10,799 New York, The Velvet Underground, 368 00:26:10,801 --> 00:26:13,168 decadence, drugs, kinky sex. 369 00:26:13,170 --> 00:26:15,154 ♪ I'm waiting for my man... ♪ 370 00:26:16,753 --> 00:26:20,625 This photograph, for whatever reason, reflects that. 371 00:26:21,746 --> 00:26:25,266 A cold shiver went up me spine when he hit the stage. 372 00:26:25,554 --> 00:26:28,433 He was sporting this huge Gibson guitar, 373 00:26:28,656 --> 00:26:31,022 and the makeup, the white face 374 00:26:31,024 --> 00:26:33,458 and all the darkness around the eyes. 375 00:26:34,096 --> 00:26:37,169 ♪ I'm waiting for my man ♪ 376 00:26:38,961 --> 00:26:41,008 He could tell even from this contact sheet 377 00:26:41,010 --> 00:26:42,546 that there was something about that. 378 00:26:43,057 --> 00:26:46,063 And then I made the prints, and that's, "Ah." 379 00:26:46,065 --> 00:26:47,854 That was the coup de grâce 380 00:26:47,856 --> 00:26:49,777 when it fell out of focus in the printing. 381 00:26:51,697 --> 00:26:53,234 Bingo, there's the cover. 382 00:26:53,521 --> 00:26:56,112 ♪ You're chasin' all women around... ♪ 383 00:26:56,114 --> 00:26:57,454 It's a performance image, 384 00:26:57,456 --> 00:26:59,022 but a lot of people don't realize that 385 00:26:59,024 --> 00:27:00,209 because it's so still, 386 00:27:00,784 --> 00:27:02,641 as indeed is the Raw Power cover. 387 00:27:02,833 --> 00:27:04,817 To me, they're a pair. Same place. 388 00:27:05,265 --> 00:27:06,961 The Americans in the mix. 389 00:27:16,530 --> 00:27:17,939 Woo! 390 00:27:22,897 --> 00:27:24,370 He looked like a fucking iguana. 391 00:27:25,201 --> 00:27:28,111 That worked because the way the light and the whole thing, 392 00:27:28,113 --> 00:27:32,463 the motherfucker has the stillness of an iguana. 393 00:27:32,465 --> 00:27:35,474 ♪ Out of my mind on Saturday night... ♪ 394 00:27:36,018 --> 00:27:38,287 Where's the bugger? That one. 395 00:27:38,289 --> 00:27:39,762 That one and the Raw Power cover. 396 00:27:40,434 --> 00:27:43,663 Rock 'n' roll, nailed every centimeter of it 397 00:27:43,665 --> 00:27:46,159 in that one shot. If that ain't rock 'n' roll, 398 00:27:46,161 --> 00:27:47,822 then rock 'n' roll was a wank job. 399 00:27:47,824 --> 00:27:51,279 ♪ Up all night till I blow... ♪ 400 00:27:51,281 --> 00:27:53,134 "I wanna be your motherfucking dog." 401 00:27:53,136 --> 00:27:55,953 "I wanna be your dog." He would sing. 402 00:27:56,529 --> 00:27:58,447 I mean, it was a complete revolution, 403 00:27:58,449 --> 00:27:59,761 and most people ignored it. 404 00:28:00,434 --> 00:28:02,225 ♪ Blow away ♪ 405 00:28:03,377 --> 00:28:04,594 ♪ I feel all right ♪ 406 00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:06,643 ♪ I feel all right ♪ 407 00:28:08,176 --> 00:28:10,033 The way the audience was, they were sitting, 408 00:28:10,352 --> 00:28:12,209 which as I look back, that's really weird. 409 00:28:12,465 --> 00:28:13,777 He walked into the audience, 410 00:28:15,185 --> 00:28:16,686 but there was no way he could really jump into the audience. 411 00:28:16,688 --> 00:28:19,183 ♪ Baby, burn my heart... ♪ 412 00:28:19,185 --> 00:28:20,913 I felt like a big-game hunter. 413 00:28:21,361 --> 00:28:23,984 I mean, I was so glued, you know, to the viewer, 414 00:28:23,986 --> 00:28:26,354 and fucking you just keep at it. 415 00:28:27,632 --> 00:28:29,617 ♪ Baby, oh, baby ♪ 416 00:28:30,224 --> 00:28:32,271 ♪ Burn my heart all night ♪ 417 00:28:32,273 --> 00:28:36,270 I could get a fixation developed very early in me 418 00:28:36,272 --> 00:28:38,322 that, you know, fixation thing. 419 00:28:39,216 --> 00:28:40,818 The thing that nearly killed me. 420 00:28:56,114 --> 00:29:00,015 I saw all those characters. They were always mythological. 421 00:29:00,017 --> 00:29:01,329 They're always, like, shimrons. 422 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,170 Syd Barrett was a shimron, Bowie, Iggy, Lou. 423 00:29:05,905 --> 00:29:07,087 They were almost not human. 424 00:29:07,089 --> 00:29:08,622 They were almost like something 425 00:29:08,624 --> 00:29:10,064 that come out of the woodlands, you know? 426 00:29:10,066 --> 00:29:13,650 Something... They were magical to me. 427 00:30:06,449 --> 00:30:07,376 He wanted it. 428 00:30:07,378 --> 00:30:09,007 He was talking about the stardom. 429 00:30:09,009 --> 00:30:11,374 Like my mother, I'd seen the projecting, 430 00:30:11,376 --> 00:30:13,106 and somehow it had worked. 431 00:30:13,681 --> 00:30:15,921 Mother projected me to Cambridge, though. 432 00:30:17,009 --> 00:30:18,798 These... 433 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,425 ...powers of concentration, I mean, who are you? 434 00:30:21,745 --> 00:30:23,632 Really, who am I? Who am I? 435 00:30:23,634 --> 00:30:25,458 Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. 436 00:30:25,681 --> 00:30:28,018 But for a while, I'm this Mick Rock character. 437 00:30:35,506 --> 00:30:37,202 I was so enamored... 438 00:30:37,937 --> 00:30:41,170 So enamored of these auras and the way I saw these people, 439 00:30:41,970 --> 00:30:43,378 and that was so strong. 440 00:30:43,633 --> 00:30:44,752 And you look at the pictures, you go, 441 00:30:44,754 --> 00:30:45,968 "For somebody who didn't have a particularly 442 00:30:45,970 --> 00:30:48,818 well-developed personality, they are very strong." 443 00:30:49,521 --> 00:30:51,377 It was just something about when I got the camera, 444 00:30:51,570 --> 00:30:53,522 something else, some other trick happened. 445 00:30:54,129 --> 00:30:57,522 You know, it's almost just using me as a conduit. 446 00:31:44,496 --> 00:31:46,288 It was a mixture of all these things, 447 00:31:46,290 --> 00:31:48,112 whether it's Oscar Wilde or Clockwork Orange 448 00:31:48,114 --> 00:31:51,855 or the theater or Beethoven or all these... 449 00:31:51,857 --> 00:31:53,713 ...whatever. 450 00:31:55,890 --> 00:31:58,769 This was, like, the advancing avant-garde, 451 00:31:59,473 --> 00:32:01,266 the new, vitalia, 452 00:32:01,553 --> 00:32:03,568 and a little bit of drag thrown in. 453 00:32:03,570 --> 00:32:05,650 I mean, you could never beat a bit of drag. 454 00:32:09,456 --> 00:32:11,503 It's so many different things, 455 00:32:11,505 --> 00:32:12,721 but when they merge them together, 456 00:32:13,744 --> 00:32:15,982 it has a certain ring, and it is an interesting, 457 00:32:15,984 --> 00:32:18,449 good-looking, you know, clang. 458 00:32:24,496 --> 00:32:26,350 When I came across these characters, 459 00:32:26,352 --> 00:32:29,359 my own identity was only quite fragile. 460 00:32:29,361 --> 00:32:31,022 I guess I had this little Mick Rock thing, 461 00:32:31,024 --> 00:32:32,368 and rock 'n' roll was... 462 00:32:32,370 --> 00:32:35,182 ...you know, pumping. And whatever. 463 00:32:35,184 --> 00:32:38,703 I looked the right way for the times, you know. 464 00:32:38,705 --> 00:32:42,002 Spindly and long hair. Spindly, long hair, tight jeans. 465 00:32:48,241 --> 00:32:50,351 I did wear lip gloss. 466 00:32:50,353 --> 00:32:53,136 There are pictures of me with rouge on. 467 00:32:53,138 --> 00:32:54,193 Yeah, you know... 468 00:32:54,706 --> 00:32:56,302 Like a boy would in those days. 469 00:32:56,304 --> 00:32:57,521 Just feminize himself. 470 00:33:00,785 --> 00:33:02,319 Biba's was the place 471 00:33:02,321 --> 00:33:04,498 if you were young and pretty and hip, 472 00:33:04,816 --> 00:33:06,927 and I was like the in-house photographer. 473 00:33:06,929 --> 00:33:10,769 ♪ Step through the mirror and see... ♪ 474 00:33:10,961 --> 00:33:13,265 Look at David, like a big girl. 475 00:33:14,162 --> 00:33:16,018 Bryan Ferry and Amanda Lear. 476 00:33:16,208 --> 00:33:18,385 He was rock 'n' roll, but it was smooth. 477 00:33:18,705 --> 00:33:20,494 Roxy Music. Of course, they were around. 478 00:33:20,496 --> 00:33:22,929 ♪ Sure is a mighty long... ♪ 479 00:33:23,249 --> 00:33:25,998 The rockers were the most obvious manifestation 480 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,822 of the glam sensibility and the people 481 00:33:27,824 --> 00:33:30,543 who most readily understood its publicity value. 482 00:33:30,545 --> 00:33:33,870 Even more seasoned performers such as Mick Jagger, Elton John, 483 00:33:33,872 --> 00:33:36,881 and Rod Stewart adapted to the allure of glam. 484 00:33:38,513 --> 00:33:41,617 ♪ For you to get along ♪ 485 00:33:44,048 --> 00:33:46,065 ♪ The bell tower rings... ♪ 486 00:33:46,416 --> 00:33:48,238 Just a great time to be young 487 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,663 and to be in what people saw as the edge of the culture. 488 00:33:51,665 --> 00:33:54,575 ♪ Your castles in Spain... ♪ 489 00:33:54,577 --> 00:33:56,753 And I was like a big dog, you know? 490 00:33:57,681 --> 00:33:59,854 Gnawing away right on that edge. 491 00:33:59,856 --> 00:34:02,257 ♪ Longings more profound... ♪ 492 00:34:14,832 --> 00:34:16,174 When I was born, 493 00:34:16,176 --> 00:34:18,417 Mick Rock wouldn't have meant anything. 494 00:34:19,664 --> 00:34:22,703 I think the name infiltrated into my psyche 495 00:34:22,705 --> 00:34:25,457 and, like, tuned it in a certain way. 496 00:34:26,513 --> 00:34:27,632 'Cause it is a bit like 497 00:34:27,634 --> 00:34:29,614 if you wanted a rock-'n'-roll photographer, 498 00:34:29,616 --> 00:34:31,920 what would you call it? You'd call him Mick Rock 499 00:34:31,922 --> 00:34:34,322 and he'd probably be about 6' and he'd probably be English. 500 00:34:34,545 --> 00:34:38,642 If you wanted a stereotype, you know? 501 00:35:19,217 --> 00:35:20,622 There's prints back here, there's prints 502 00:35:20,624 --> 00:35:23,697 and there's also books, boxes, fuck knows what. 503 00:35:24,784 --> 00:35:26,383 I'm not sure if there's any Bowie there or not. 504 00:35:26,385 --> 00:35:27,570 There might be. 505 00:35:28,465 --> 00:35:30,993 Oh, it's like it's never ending. 506 00:35:31,536 --> 00:35:33,585 I don't think this went into production. 507 00:35:33,968 --> 00:35:35,857 Well, I don't know. It's a bit kitschy. 508 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,694 That's the only thing with photographs, they do hang about. 509 00:35:39,696 --> 00:35:41,553 The bastard things, you know? 510 00:35:42,608 --> 00:35:46,225 I've got the main contenders, including Rocky Horror. 511 00:35:47,408 --> 00:35:50,033 I am the king of the glam-rock photographers. 512 00:35:52,048 --> 00:35:55,792 Oh, Marianne, look. Looking very chaste. 513 00:35:56,017 --> 00:35:57,969 The butter wouldn't melt in her mouth. 514 00:35:59,344 --> 00:36:00,497 Patti LaBelle. 515 00:36:01,936 --> 00:36:03,345 Mott The Hoople. 516 00:36:04,336 --> 00:36:05,489 John Cale. 517 00:36:07,697 --> 00:36:08,946 Thin Lizzy. 518 00:36:10,258 --> 00:36:14,002 He told me he killed somebody. I don't fucking think so, Phil. 519 00:36:14,417 --> 00:36:18,542 I love these reverse Mohicans. Very original, Peter. 520 00:36:18,544 --> 00:36:20,719 I'm not taking you home to meet Mother, though. 521 00:36:20,721 --> 00:36:22,258 Not looking like that, you can't. 522 00:36:26,608 --> 00:36:29,232 Look what I shot in the summer of '72. 523 00:36:29,552 --> 00:36:31,409 It's Jerry Garcia. 524 00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:38,382 It was not that I got bored easily, 525 00:36:38,384 --> 00:36:42,546 but I was just infinitely curious, you know? 526 00:36:49,329 --> 00:36:51,186 Do you give a damn who Trickster are? 527 00:36:51,504 --> 00:36:53,230 I mean, they had their moment in time, 528 00:36:53,232 --> 00:36:54,703 but I can't remember what it was. 529 00:36:54,705 --> 00:36:55,442 The Strawbs. 530 00:36:56,113 --> 00:36:56,974 Certain images, whether it be 531 00:36:56,976 --> 00:36:58,575 all those characters or Rocky Horror 532 00:36:58,577 --> 00:37:02,032 or whatever, have a big cache nowadays. 533 00:37:02,257 --> 00:37:03,537 Skin Alley. 534 00:37:04,049 --> 00:37:05,458 You know... 535 00:37:06,001 --> 00:37:06,864 Soiree. 536 00:37:07,536 --> 00:37:09,679 And I couldn't have survived on the money 537 00:37:09,681 --> 00:37:11,633 that I was making at that time. 538 00:37:12,368 --> 00:37:15,249 I mean, Transformer got £100. 539 00:37:15,761 --> 00:37:16,850 And how about this? 540 00:37:17,647 --> 00:37:22,093 I know it doesn't look very moi, but it is. "Highway." 541 00:37:22,095 --> 00:37:23,409 Yeah, look at that. 542 00:37:25,041 --> 00:37:26,640 "What's that all about, Mick?" 543 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,095 I don't think I had a fucking clue where I was going, 544 00:37:30,097 --> 00:37:32,527 but I was gonna be going there anyway, you know? 545 00:37:32,529 --> 00:37:34,799 I was heading straight down the line. 546 00:37:34,801 --> 00:37:36,622 You go, "Well, where the fuck are you going, Mick?" 547 00:37:36,624 --> 00:37:38,479 "I'm going in that direction." 548 00:37:38,481 --> 00:37:41,297 It's moving at a hell of a lick, you know? 549 00:37:44,624 --> 00:37:49,325 But that Freddie picture, right? I mean, I look at it. 550 00:37:49,327 --> 00:37:51,537 He looks like he's on his way to bloody Heaven. 551 00:38:00,945 --> 00:38:03,503 But they approached me, you know? 552 00:38:03,505 --> 00:38:05,614 Mick Rock, 'cause he's taking pictures 553 00:38:05,616 --> 00:38:06,798 of famous puffs, you know? 554 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,521 I mean, they wanted to look the fucking part. 555 00:38:12,944 --> 00:38:14,415 They got this first album out. 556 00:38:14,417 --> 00:38:16,082 Nothing much is happening with it. 557 00:38:16,752 --> 00:38:19,089 They wanted the glam-rock image. 558 00:38:29,265 --> 00:38:31,407 I had a friend who had a collection 559 00:38:31,409 --> 00:38:32,945 of old Hollywood stills. 560 00:38:34,225 --> 00:38:35,375 I think it was the cover shot, 561 00:38:35,377 --> 00:38:37,071 but it might've been from the same movie, 562 00:38:37,073 --> 00:38:38,414 Shanghai Express. 563 00:38:38,416 --> 00:38:41,839 He had a little book about Marlene Dietrich's films, 564 00:38:41,841 --> 00:38:45,872 and inside was the shot that did inspire. 565 00:38:47,921 --> 00:38:50,160 My brain just went... 566 00:38:50,416 --> 00:38:52,337 And I showed it to Freddie and it was... 567 00:38:53,521 --> 00:38:55,183 It was an instant sell. 568 00:38:55,185 --> 00:38:57,070 Freddie Mercury, you can, 569 00:38:57,072 --> 00:38:58,992 as it were, be Marlene Dietrich. 570 00:39:00,367 --> 00:39:03,215 Of course, she was a total professional 571 00:39:03,217 --> 00:39:05,006 and basically could light herself. 572 00:39:05,008 --> 00:39:06,990 These guys, it's only the second time 573 00:39:06,992 --> 00:39:08,975 they'd ever been in a photographic studio, 574 00:39:08,977 --> 00:39:11,343 and they were in and out of that mirror. 575 00:39:11,345 --> 00:39:13,682 There were up and... I was up and down this bloody ladder. 576 00:39:14,224 --> 00:39:19,025 You can see from these Polaroids the development of that shot. 577 00:39:23,536 --> 00:39:26,286 I don't know if I was super nervous about it or whatever. 578 00:39:26,288 --> 00:39:28,048 I did not let go. 579 00:39:45,487 --> 00:39:48,206 Freddie was the one I communicated with most, 580 00:39:48,208 --> 00:39:49,296 'cause he... I don't know. 581 00:39:49,298 --> 00:39:52,560 He was camp and he was, like... He was the visionary. 582 00:39:54,161 --> 00:39:56,751 As Roger said about Freddie, I mean, he would, 583 00:39:56,753 --> 00:39:58,638 even when he didn't have a pot to piss in, 584 00:39:58,640 --> 00:39:59,887 he was crashing on your floor, 585 00:39:59,889 --> 00:40:03,728 he'd walk in acting like he was doing you a favor. 586 00:40:04,657 --> 00:40:08,818 Oh, he was already playing in coliseums in his mind. 587 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:15,727 We showed it to the band and they said, 588 00:40:15,729 --> 00:40:17,039 "Fine, we'll do it, 589 00:40:17,041 --> 00:40:18,927 but we're also gonna shoot this white shot." 590 00:40:18,929 --> 00:40:21,678 See, look. Album gatefold, would've been. 591 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,983 And ended up being the middle of it anyway. 592 00:40:23,985 --> 00:40:25,454 So these... They were like, 593 00:40:25,456 --> 00:40:27,216 "Mm, I think maybe the white one." 594 00:40:27,696 --> 00:40:29,170 Of course it would've looked like... 595 00:40:30,193 --> 00:40:32,176 "Santa Claus is Coming to Town". 596 00:41:01,169 --> 00:41:02,289 Love the hair. 597 00:41:03,152 --> 00:41:04,657 Fucking fantastic. 598 00:41:05,616 --> 00:41:07,760 You can be a swan. 599 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,301 It's like... It's like picking cherries. 600 00:41:15,344 --> 00:41:17,615 The thing is, photography's just not complicated. 601 00:41:17,617 --> 00:41:20,241 I mean, you can make it complicated if you want, 602 00:41:20,528 --> 00:41:24,206 but where I'm coming from, it certainly doesn't have to be. 603 00:41:24,208 --> 00:41:28,816 I do remember early on reading something by Horst. 604 00:41:30,577 --> 00:41:33,713 He said he didn't understand modern photographers 605 00:41:34,064 --> 00:41:36,462 and how complicated they made the lighting, 606 00:41:36,464 --> 00:41:39,311 'cause he basically had one light 607 00:41:39,313 --> 00:41:41,297 and he moved it around till he saw what he liked. 608 00:41:41,617 --> 00:41:45,102 And I thought, "Uh... Yes, that's about me," you know. 609 00:41:45,104 --> 00:41:46,926 And why it's doing it, I don't give a shit. 610 00:41:46,928 --> 00:41:50,128 I want the pictures. I don't care about the why's. 611 00:41:54,097 --> 00:41:57,486 I get to a session, make sure everything's in place, 612 00:41:57,488 --> 00:41:59,341 then I fuck off for half an hour. 613 00:42:00,624 --> 00:42:02,863 There's a lot of power breathing, 614 00:42:02,865 --> 00:42:06,254 which is a Kundalini Yoga thing. Playing around with mantras. 615 00:42:06,256 --> 00:42:08,399 And the brain machine... 616 00:42:08,401 --> 00:42:11,824 ...that brings me right down focused, opens me up. 617 00:42:12,783 --> 00:42:15,538 It's like a meditation so your brain gets cleared out 618 00:42:15,793 --> 00:42:18,418 so that the impressions can be fresh. 619 00:42:21,712 --> 00:42:24,625 It's important for me, this body connection, 620 00:42:25,201 --> 00:42:27,440 that I can almost take photographs with my stomach. 621 00:42:27,696 --> 00:42:29,230 Stomach and the eyeball were like... 622 00:42:29,232 --> 00:42:30,510 ...locked in. 623 00:42:30,512 --> 00:42:32,176 They bypass the rest of me. 624 00:42:37,361 --> 00:42:39,214 I don't think I've ever done a session 625 00:42:39,216 --> 00:42:42,097 without standing on my head beforehand for a bunch of time. 626 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,585 I've been doing that since, um... 627 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,722 ...1970. 628 00:42:53,521 --> 00:42:55,025 Ah. 629 00:42:56,561 --> 00:42:59,408 Let's get the long goodbye. 630 00:42:59,823 --> 00:43:01,229 Yeah. Ah. 631 00:43:01,231 --> 00:43:03,600 Ah, sa, sa. Ah, sa, sa. 632 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:05,967 I mean, the name alone was enough to get me stimulated. 633 00:43:05,969 --> 00:43:07,921 Stanislavski? Who's this motherfucker? 634 00:43:08,144 --> 00:43:10,896 And then you find out he's the grandfather of the, 635 00:43:11,344 --> 00:43:12,817 you know, the method school of acting. 636 00:43:15,184 --> 00:43:18,318 But one thing he talked about was going into a raw space 637 00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,302 with a bunch of people and building 638 00:43:20,304 --> 00:43:24,081 the circle of concentration till at a certain point, 639 00:43:24,783 --> 00:43:26,254 you know, it kind of takes off. 640 00:43:26,256 --> 00:43:28,817 It takes on its own energy. 641 00:43:29,905 --> 00:43:31,409 You're really more of a driver, 642 00:43:32,721 --> 00:43:35,666 or you're steering rather than directing in that way. 643 00:43:36,976 --> 00:43:39,822 You can see the way people's faces change 644 00:43:39,824 --> 00:43:41,614 as the muscles relax 645 00:43:41,616 --> 00:43:44,273 or they drop down into that, you know... 646 00:43:44,943 --> 00:43:48,238 And in that moment, I'm like a... 647 00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:49,902 I'm like a thief in the night. 648 00:43:49,904 --> 00:43:52,176 Bling, bling, bling, bling, bling, bling, bling, bling. 649 00:43:59,472 --> 00:44:01,422 What is it? What did Debbie say once? 650 00:44:01,424 --> 00:44:05,102 I have a quote from her. And she said that, 651 00:44:05,104 --> 00:44:09,809 "If Mick Rock were a drag queen, his name is Miss Direction." 652 00:44:10,415 --> 00:44:12,462 "Oh, look over there," he says while he sticks 653 00:44:12,464 --> 00:44:15,152 a knife in your back over here or takes your photograph. 654 00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,654 If you're in front of my camera, you could be the world's 655 00:44:28,656 --> 00:44:31,278 most fucking boring person off-camera. 656 00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,006 The minute you're in front of my camera, 657 00:44:33,008 --> 00:44:34,738 you are totally fascinating. 658 00:44:35,248 --> 00:44:38,257 You know, so that's really where I'm coming from. 659 00:44:45,968 --> 00:44:49,329 My instinct is, you know, once I got the bite on it... 660 00:44:53,489 --> 00:44:54,577 ...I'm not letting go. 661 00:45:08,912 --> 00:45:14,225 ♪ Remember me, remember me ♪ 662 00:45:29,969 --> 00:45:36,593 ♪ Remember me, remember me ♪ 663 00:45:51,215 --> 00:45:53,905 Ah. It did get out of control, it's true. 664 00:45:54,544 --> 00:45:56,014 There was a certain amount of, 665 00:45:56,016 --> 00:45:58,768 what should we say, venal celebration going on. 666 00:46:00,240 --> 00:46:03,182 I never felt like a voyeur. Never felt... 667 00:46:03,184 --> 00:46:04,783 I was always on the inside looking out. 668 00:46:06,192 --> 00:46:08,429 ♪ Here comes success ♪ 669 00:46:08,431 --> 00:46:10,445 ♪ Here comes success... ♪ 670 00:46:10,447 --> 00:46:12,142 I think I also enjoyed the fact 671 00:46:12,144 --> 00:46:14,382 that I'd had such a cerebral education, 672 00:46:14,384 --> 00:46:16,880 a classic British education. 673 00:46:17,135 --> 00:46:21,741 And the camera brought me into this intuitive world. 674 00:46:21,743 --> 00:46:23,022 ♪ Here comes my car ♪ 675 00:46:23,024 --> 00:46:25,710 ♪ Here comes my Chinese rug ♪ 676 00:46:25,712 --> 00:46:28,432 Cocaine was starting to creep into the culture, 677 00:46:28,688 --> 00:46:30,640 but it wasn't what it became, 678 00:46:31,024 --> 00:46:35,025 a raging snowstorm that swept out to the provinces. 679 00:46:37,872 --> 00:46:39,664 Certain reprobates. 680 00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:42,448 I'm not a fucking paparazzi, 681 00:46:42,672 --> 00:46:46,544 but I just happened to be in this place at this moment. 682 00:46:46,927 --> 00:46:50,288 It's the thing of Mick Jagger and Rod Stewart, Ronnie Wood. 683 00:46:50,768 --> 00:46:53,101 It was raucous. What more do you want in life? 684 00:46:53,103 --> 00:46:55,438 And the cops kept coming and no one was answering the door. 685 00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:56,526 "It's the cops, it's the cops." 686 00:46:56,528 --> 00:46:57,966 But eventually you had to let them in. 687 00:46:57,968 --> 00:46:58,800 I mean, it's the cops. 688 00:47:00,015 --> 00:47:00,558 And they came up to the attic and they're like, 689 00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:01,486 "Whoopsie daisy. 690 00:47:01,488 --> 00:47:04,302 The lads were having a bit of a jamboree." 691 00:47:04,304 --> 00:47:06,479 ♪ In the last ditch ♪ 692 00:47:06,481 --> 00:47:08,142 ♪ In the last ditch... ♪ 693 00:47:08,144 --> 00:47:09,518 I've got a lot of great party pictures, 694 00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:13,326 I think, but there's something about the David, Lou, Iggy, 695 00:47:13,328 --> 00:47:16,529 and the David, Lou, Mick moments. 696 00:47:17,616 --> 00:47:19,598 They both denied they actually kissed, 697 00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:23,533 but I know that's a fib 'cause I saw them, and why not? 698 00:47:23,535 --> 00:47:25,167 Boys were being revolutionaries 699 00:47:25,169 --> 00:47:27,661 by kissing each other on the lips in public. 700 00:47:27,663 --> 00:47:28,720 Revolutionary gesture. 701 00:47:29,712 --> 00:47:31,949 I know the little buggers do it all day long nowadays, 702 00:47:31,951 --> 00:47:35,470 but back then, it was something, you know? 703 00:47:35,472 --> 00:47:37,934 "Ooh, I kissed a fucking boy on the lips this afternoon." 704 00:47:37,936 --> 00:47:39,182 You go... 705 00:47:39,184 --> 00:47:40,977 ..."Really, I've done that before." 706 00:47:57,967 --> 00:47:59,472 Well, I was roaring. 707 00:47:59,729 --> 00:48:00,910 I was on a blue tear, 708 00:48:00,912 --> 00:48:03,757 and I didn't stop to think about the implications 709 00:48:03,759 --> 00:48:07,280 of where I was at or even necessarily what I was doing. 710 00:48:07,983 --> 00:48:12,815 I simply had to live out this, I suppose, fantasy life 711 00:48:12,817 --> 00:48:15,728 of being some kind of mad symbolist French poet. 712 00:48:18,128 --> 00:48:22,384 David was inviting me to go to Berlin to take pictures, 713 00:48:22,673 --> 00:48:25,329 and Lou was inviting me to come to New York. 714 00:48:28,144 --> 00:48:30,929 Even though David and Berlin were interesting, 715 00:48:31,599 --> 00:48:35,153 New York and Lou Reed were irresistible, unfortunately. 716 00:48:56,112 --> 00:48:57,902 I like the feel of the city, 717 00:48:57,904 --> 00:49:00,270 and it was a bit ugly in places and grungy, 718 00:49:00,272 --> 00:49:03,694 and it was nowhere near as pretty as London or Paris. 719 00:49:03,696 --> 00:49:06,129 But it didn't matter. None of it. 720 00:49:08,527 --> 00:49:09,807 You could feel the edge 721 00:49:09,809 --> 00:49:11,342 the minute you walked into New York. 722 00:49:11,344 --> 00:49:13,262 You know, you had to be on your toes, 723 00:49:13,264 --> 00:49:14,544 and it was a good feeling. 724 00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:18,606 It was torrid, and torrid, you know, 725 00:49:18,608 --> 00:49:20,237 I needed to get it out of my system. 726 00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:21,262 What can I say? 727 00:49:21,264 --> 00:49:23,247 ♪ Your current troubles ♪ 728 00:49:23,249 --> 00:49:25,357 ♪ And you know, they'll get much worse... ♪ 729 00:49:25,359 --> 00:49:27,149 Had just landed in New York. 730 00:49:27,151 --> 00:49:28,622 I hadn't slept for a week 731 00:49:28,624 --> 00:49:31,793 and started shooting him that afternoon. 732 00:49:32,528 --> 00:49:34,385 He wanted me to work with him 733 00:49:34,672 --> 00:49:36,848 on these images for his new stage show. 734 00:50:01,553 --> 00:50:04,721 He had just done all this wild and crazy feedback imagery. 735 00:50:06,512 --> 00:50:09,325 The problem was it started out with 60, 736 00:50:09,327 --> 00:50:11,245 but by the time we were about 12 drinks in, 737 00:50:11,247 --> 00:50:12,144 it was down to 30. 738 00:50:12,783 --> 00:50:14,414 Then we'd have to get to a location, 739 00:50:14,416 --> 00:50:17,489 find some more TV sets. It was a bit of a... 740 00:50:17,839 --> 00:50:20,461 But it was, you know, it was an original thing. 741 00:50:20,463 --> 00:50:21,936 I mean, Lou Reed, man. 742 00:50:22,959 --> 00:50:24,881 Just absolutely unique. 743 00:50:31,344 --> 00:50:35,245 None of these sessions were designed for any purpose 744 00:50:35,247 --> 00:50:37,741 other than for us to have some fun, 745 00:50:37,743 --> 00:50:39,598 and then we'll see what we do with them afterwards, 746 00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,541 and sometimes the record labels 747 00:50:42,543 --> 00:50:44,591 would license for a couple of pennies. 748 00:50:45,104 --> 00:50:48,591 Sally Can't Dance was based on one of the photographs 749 00:50:48,593 --> 00:50:50,225 I took of him at Blakes Hotel, 750 00:50:50,671 --> 00:50:52,271 and he had gone blond on me. 751 00:50:53,775 --> 00:50:55,918 ♪ Man, she's gonna turn you in... ♪ 752 00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:56,560 Of course, this session, 753 00:50:57,584 --> 00:50:59,406 it looks like a carnival, a barker. 754 00:50:59,408 --> 00:51:00,721 He's got that hat. 755 00:51:01,039 --> 00:51:03,693 I got a friend of mine to retouch it, 756 00:51:03,695 --> 00:51:05,168 make it a little bit candy-colored. 757 00:51:06,224 --> 00:51:08,781 I did these great pictures of him and Nico, 758 00:51:08,783 --> 00:51:11,342 and I've got a few frames later on 759 00:51:11,344 --> 00:51:13,294 that I took of him and John together. 760 00:51:13,296 --> 00:51:15,758 But never got them all in the room, which again, 761 00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:19,408 for those of us that care, what a special moment. 762 00:51:21,103 --> 00:51:22,253 She said to me, 763 00:51:22,255 --> 00:51:24,110 "He was my little brother in a former life," 764 00:51:24,112 --> 00:51:25,745 'cause in fact, she was older than Lou. 765 00:51:26,063 --> 00:51:28,080 Lou was almost like a little boy to her. 766 00:51:31,183 --> 00:51:32,845 I think he liked the fact 767 00:51:32,847 --> 00:51:35,888 that he had his own pet historian, if you like. 768 00:51:37,455 --> 00:51:40,398 The best pictures of me taken in that period 769 00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,061 were also taken by Lou. 770 00:51:42,063 --> 00:51:44,304 ♪ It happened on New Year's Eve... ♪ 771 00:51:45,968 --> 00:51:47,982 Oh, well, there's a negative of one. 772 00:51:47,984 --> 00:51:50,640 That's the one I've used quite a bit. 773 00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,712 Blakes Hotel. Hadn't slept. 774 00:51:54,256 --> 00:51:56,014 It was 6:00 a.m. in the morning, 775 00:51:56,016 --> 00:51:58,093 but the light's very nice at that time of day, 776 00:51:58,095 --> 00:51:59,889 so it was quite flattering. 777 00:52:02,511 --> 00:52:05,360 ♪ I said if I ever see Sharon again... ♪ 778 00:52:08,944 --> 00:52:10,541 But these ones, there's something about, 779 00:52:10,543 --> 00:52:13,744 as a session, this is... 780 00:52:14,159 --> 00:52:16,109 He did, he looked like a bloody insect. 781 00:52:16,111 --> 00:52:20,142 It was like the perfect rendition 782 00:52:20,144 --> 00:52:22,545 of people's idea of Lou Reed. 783 00:52:24,687 --> 00:52:27,181 The shiny, the black, the shades. 784 00:52:27,183 --> 00:52:29,968 I mean, he looks fantastic. It's a pure image. 785 00:52:31,983 --> 00:52:32,973 You know, he was Baudelaire, 786 00:52:32,975 --> 00:52:35,951 a great artist, but a degenerate. 787 00:52:38,959 --> 00:52:40,813 He fulfilled people's fantasies. 788 00:52:40,815 --> 00:52:42,734 He used to get very irritated about it, 789 00:52:42,736 --> 00:52:45,357 but I'd say to him, "But, Lou, you know, 790 00:52:45,359 --> 00:52:47,216 you've kind of propagated this." 791 00:53:50,384 --> 00:53:53,968 ♪ I don't know ♪ 792 00:53:57,039 --> 00:53:59,248 ♪ Just where I'm going ♪ 793 00:54:07,343 --> 00:54:08,944 ♪ But I'm ♪ 794 00:54:11,376 --> 00:54:15,121 ♪ Gonna try for the kingdom ♪ 795 00:54:15,695 --> 00:54:17,167 ♪ If I can ♪ 796 00:54:17,774 --> 00:54:20,848 ♪ 'Cause it makes me feel like I'm a man ♪ 797 00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:24,208 ♪ When I put a spike into my vein ♪ 798 00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,440 ♪ And I tell you things aren't quite the same ♪ 799 00:54:27,726 --> 00:54:30,607 ♪ When I'm rushing on my run ♪ 800 00:54:31,024 --> 00:54:33,809 ♪ And I feel just like Jesus' son ♪ 801 00:54:34,031 --> 00:54:37,101 ♪ And I guess that I just don't know ♪ 802 00:54:37,103 --> 00:54:40,048 ♪ And I guess that I just don't know ♪ 803 00:54:48,688 --> 00:54:50,097 ♪ I... ♪ 804 00:54:51,375 --> 00:54:54,929 Come about 4:00 a.m. when the blood sugar drops. 805 00:54:55,151 --> 00:54:56,112 That's when everything, 806 00:54:57,264 --> 00:54:58,737 all the really crazy shit started to happen. 807 00:54:59,792 --> 00:55:01,678 And I was kind of addicted to 4:00 a.m., 808 00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:03,855 and they call that the hour of the wolf. 809 00:55:04,048 --> 00:55:05,709 And I love that time 810 00:55:05,711 --> 00:55:08,847 because you can get up to all kinds of antics then. 811 00:55:09,584 --> 00:55:12,752 ♪ When I'm closing in on death... ♪ 812 00:55:14,735 --> 00:55:16,653 I was in the exploration biz. 813 00:55:16,655 --> 00:55:18,320 I would check everything out. 814 00:55:19,023 --> 00:55:20,941 I mean, anybody that was up to anything 815 00:55:20,943 --> 00:55:24,975 a little bit saucy in New York, I was invited. 816 00:55:26,864 --> 00:55:29,489 And also, the girls, man. Jesus. 817 00:55:29,711 --> 00:55:31,629 You know, if you had a vial of cocaine, 818 00:55:31,631 --> 00:55:34,510 you know, it's like whatever. 819 00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:42,095 I didn't really want to be sensible. 820 00:55:42,448 --> 00:55:44,941 I wanted to taste all the buzz 821 00:55:44,943 --> 00:55:46,736 of the whole thing, up to a point. 822 00:55:47,535 --> 00:55:50,125 I remember going to a couple of S&M clubs and going, 823 00:55:50,127 --> 00:55:52,205 "These motherfuckers are too serious for me." 824 00:55:52,207 --> 00:55:54,031 You know, "I need to get the fuck out of here." 825 00:56:40,623 --> 00:56:43,630 ♪ Gabba gabba we accept you, we accept you one of us! ♪ 826 00:56:43,632 --> 00:56:45,936 ♪ Gabba gabba we accept you, we accept you one of us... ♪ 827 00:56:54,447 --> 00:56:57,005 I had, like, an instinct fully developed 828 00:56:57,007 --> 00:56:58,349 by then for anything 829 00:56:58,351 --> 00:57:02,158 that smelled like a big rodent, and this one did. 830 00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:05,071 But, you know, a healthy, edgy rodent, 831 00:57:05,744 --> 00:57:07,088 and they called it punk. 832 00:57:09,006 --> 00:57:13,328 I went down to CBGB's in 1974. There were 20 people there. 833 00:57:15,727 --> 00:57:17,261 These were taken at CBGB's, 834 00:57:17,263 --> 00:57:19,056 but it's got all four original ones. 835 00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:20,557 'Cause Tommy was only in the band 836 00:57:20,559 --> 00:57:22,157 for the first couple of albums. 837 00:57:22,159 --> 00:57:23,823 By the time I shot the album cover, 838 00:57:24,207 --> 00:57:25,743 Marky was the drummer. 839 00:57:26,639 --> 00:57:28,750 I spent a lot of time around that glam scene, 840 00:57:28,752 --> 00:57:30,029 and this is the fucking Ramones. 841 00:57:30,031 --> 00:57:33,420 I mean, you know, not the prettiest bunch alive. 842 00:57:33,422 --> 00:57:37,293 In fact, they were, at that moment in time, 843 00:57:37,295 --> 00:57:39,760 you could probably have called them the ugliest band around. 844 00:57:41,647 --> 00:57:43,598 I remember the art director told me 845 00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:45,582 they'd already done three sessions 846 00:57:45,584 --> 00:57:48,205 and they hated the pictures. They didn't like photographers, 847 00:57:48,207 --> 00:57:50,829 and if they didn't like what was going on, they'd leave, 848 00:57:50,831 --> 00:57:52,077 and he didn't really have any money. 849 00:57:52,079 --> 00:57:54,254 Did I want to do it? And I thought, "Yeah." 850 00:57:54,256 --> 00:57:55,791 ♪ Everyone's accusing... ♪ 851 00:57:59,886 --> 00:58:01,455 But meanwhile, over the water, 852 00:58:02,288 --> 00:58:04,209 I tasted it a bit here and there. 853 00:58:05,103 --> 00:58:09,006 Remember Johnny Rotten walking around calling everybody 854 00:58:09,008 --> 00:58:12,336 a bunch of fucking hippies. "Fuck off, you fucking wankers." 855 00:58:13,071 --> 00:58:17,262 He was busy imprinting himself on the underground consciousness 856 00:58:17,264 --> 00:58:20,016 by touting his obnoxious vibes. 857 00:58:20,655 --> 00:58:23,854 ♪ There's no point in asking, you'll get no reply... ♪ 858 00:58:23,856 --> 00:58:26,669 I remember Malcolm dangling some kinky underwear 859 00:58:26,671 --> 00:58:27,505 in front of me, saying, 860 00:58:28,913 --> 00:58:30,064 "You want some of this, Mick? Come and photograph my band." 861 00:58:30,991 --> 00:58:32,111 ♪ You'll always find us... ♪ 862 00:58:33,936 --> 00:58:35,245 Wasn't really about the music. 863 00:58:35,247 --> 00:58:37,360 It was more punk as subversion, 864 00:58:37,742 --> 00:58:40,876 which it definitely was an attitude promulgated in London. 865 00:58:40,878 --> 00:58:43,885 ♪ Oh, so pretty, we're vacant ♪ 866 00:58:43,887 --> 00:58:45,676 Look at his eyeballs. He's very, like, 867 00:58:45,678 --> 00:58:47,727 "What the fuck are you doing here, Mick Rock?" You know? 868 00:58:50,735 --> 00:58:53,644 I mean, I would wear a bit of makeup in the glam days, 869 00:58:53,646 --> 00:58:56,172 but I wasn't gonna get my fucking haircut chopped short 870 00:58:56,174 --> 00:59:00,333 and have a Mohawk, and no. No, I didn't identify. 871 00:59:00,335 --> 00:59:02,321 With the glammy stuff, I identified. 872 00:59:02,894 --> 00:59:03,729 But, I mean, just look. 873 00:59:04,816 --> 00:59:05,582 A lot of those fucking punks were really fucking ugly. 874 00:59:05,584 --> 00:59:07,952 I'm sorry. They were interesting, 875 00:59:08,462 --> 00:59:10,960 but, you know, I was into prettier stuff. 876 00:59:11,983 --> 00:59:14,861 That was taken about a decade ago. 877 00:59:14,863 --> 00:59:18,319 Look, that was a knockoff of one of my earlier images. 878 00:59:19,056 --> 00:59:20,240 And there's Debbie. 879 00:59:21,903 --> 00:59:23,950 People often ask me about, and I say, 880 00:59:23,952 --> 00:59:26,896 "Well, it doesn't matter which way you twist the banana. 881 00:59:27,088 --> 00:59:30,543 I don't care who it is." I mean, look at Debbie Harry. 882 00:59:31,055 --> 00:59:32,973 She even photographed in certain ways 883 00:59:32,975 --> 00:59:34,510 better than Marilyn, I think. 884 00:59:34,512 --> 00:59:36,878 I mean... And it's really, some of the pictures, 885 00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,312 and my pictures, you go... You know? 886 00:59:40,271 --> 00:59:43,021 Just her glowing, you know, 887 00:59:43,023 --> 00:59:45,104 and looking like the Marilyn Monroe of rock 'n' roll. 888 00:59:47,311 --> 00:59:50,638 Yeah, 'cause the thing with Debbie is she was like David. 889 00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:52,944 You couldn't really take a bad picture of her. 890 00:59:58,638 --> 01:00:00,720 This became the cover of Penthouse. 891 01:00:00,944 --> 01:00:03,600 Of course, the irony is she's not only wearing a jacket, 892 01:00:03,855 --> 01:00:05,391 but also a scarf. 893 01:00:05,743 --> 01:00:07,661 Actually sold more than any other issue 894 01:00:07,663 --> 01:00:09,776 of the magazine that year. 895 01:00:12,270 --> 01:00:14,317 She had fun with the group, too. You can see in a lot 896 01:00:14,319 --> 01:00:15,952 of the pictures she's mucking about. 897 01:00:16,303 --> 01:00:19,213 But obviously it's less the idea of glamour 898 01:00:19,215 --> 01:00:22,319 and more the idea of camaraderie. 899 01:00:22,927 --> 01:00:26,350 If it's just Debbie, I can concentrate 900 01:00:26,352 --> 01:00:29,486 on that rock-'n'-roll Marilyn or Lolita, 901 01:00:29,488 --> 01:00:30,638 as the case here. 902 01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:32,976 ♪ I see you skip ♪ 903 01:00:33,264 --> 01:00:34,542 ♪ That cautious lip... ♪ 904 01:00:34,544 --> 01:00:36,972 If you do this type of identifying 905 01:00:36,974 --> 01:00:38,701 when you're looking at somebody, 906 01:00:38,703 --> 01:00:41,168 some kind of plasma sticks onto the photographs. 907 01:00:42,702 --> 01:00:46,384 Talking Heads, they were "Children of the Damned." 908 01:00:46,830 --> 01:00:48,686 ♪ A chance you'll fit... ♪ 909 01:00:48,688 --> 01:00:50,861 The Dead Boys I wanted to give the vibe 910 01:00:50,863 --> 01:00:52,781 of the second Rolling Stones album. 911 01:00:52,783 --> 01:00:54,896 ♪ It's just these things... ♪ 912 01:00:55,470 --> 01:00:57,359 I love the stuff with Joan Jett. 913 01:00:58,319 --> 01:01:00,079 She was Elvis Presley to me. 914 01:01:00,974 --> 01:01:03,853 Often with the visual things, I mean, if you explain it, 915 01:01:03,855 --> 01:01:05,198 it doesn't sound like very much, 916 01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:06,672 but, I mean, you look at it... 917 01:01:07,503 --> 01:01:09,424 it somehow works, you know? 918 01:01:37,423 --> 01:01:39,631 Why do certain things stick in the mind? 919 01:01:40,783 --> 01:01:43,407 I couldn't fucking tell you the answer to that. 920 01:01:45,198 --> 01:01:46,767 It's a Youngian thing. 921 01:01:47,184 --> 01:01:50,832 It's a truth that reverberates, that kind of defies itself. 922 01:01:51,150 --> 01:01:54,029 It's a truth that you can describe up to a point, 923 01:01:54,031 --> 01:01:57,488 but then you got to let it go and let it be unto itself. 924 01:01:57,839 --> 01:02:00,334 And that's a bigger truth, 925 01:02:00,336 --> 01:02:01,837 and that's what I discovered with pictures. 926 01:02:01,839 --> 01:02:05,421 Beyond my words lay these more... 927 01:02:05,423 --> 01:02:07,212 ...profound... 928 01:02:07,214 --> 01:02:10,348 Like, profound, more substantial proof. 929 01:02:10,350 --> 01:02:12,909 Let's put it like that. Chunkier truths, 930 01:02:12,911 --> 01:02:15,151 and whatever they mean, what you want them to mean. 931 01:02:15,854 --> 01:02:19,088 What that's the result of, I don't know. 932 01:02:19,632 --> 01:02:21,807 I don't know. 933 01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:40,749 Quite often after a shoot, it was not like, 934 01:02:40,751 --> 01:02:41,806 "Oh, the session's over. 935 01:02:41,808 --> 01:02:43,820 Calm the fuck down and go home, Mick." 936 01:02:43,822 --> 01:02:44,912 No, I'm ready for more. 937 01:02:48,688 --> 01:02:52,781 And part of the problem was I was so indulged. 938 01:02:52,783 --> 01:02:56,239 ♪ I am a glossy photograph... ♪ 939 01:02:57,263 --> 01:02:59,437 I was a young British photographer 940 01:02:59,439 --> 01:03:01,871 and I had this association. 941 01:03:02,128 --> 01:03:04,108 You know, "Mick Rock always shot David Bowie. 942 01:03:04,110 --> 01:03:06,670 They're really good..." You know, if I'd shot nobody else, 943 01:03:06,672 --> 01:03:08,847 that would've been enough for me to get invited 944 01:03:09,104 --> 01:03:11,852 to every, like, orgy or God knows what 945 01:03:11,854 --> 01:03:13,519 that was going on in New York. 946 01:03:13,935 --> 01:03:16,592 Oh, this would be... This could be the Ritz. 947 01:03:16,814 --> 01:03:19,277 There's Wayne Kramer and Stiv Bators, 948 01:03:19,279 --> 01:03:21,520 lot from The Dead Boys. And Cherry Vanilla. 949 01:03:21,967 --> 01:03:24,076 Say, "When did you have the time for all this, Mick?" 950 01:03:24,078 --> 01:03:25,743 Well, I never slept. 951 01:03:26,255 --> 01:03:28,079 If you don't sleep, you get about a bit. 952 01:03:28,655 --> 01:03:30,799 What was that Ramones song? 953 01:03:31,087 --> 01:03:34,061 I would play it, like, 6:00 a.m. in the morning in my studio 954 01:03:34,063 --> 01:03:36,942 on 32nd Street and Madison. 955 01:03:36,944 --> 01:03:39,310 It would be, "I wanna be sedated." 956 01:03:39,312 --> 01:03:42,384 Oh... Did I love "I Wanna Be Sedated." 957 01:03:42,703 --> 01:03:45,453 It was... Looking back, it was probably a cri de coeur, 958 01:03:45,455 --> 01:03:47,376 'cause I needed a lot of sedation. 959 01:03:47,983 --> 01:03:49,776 It's a lot of my problem. 960 01:03:50,127 --> 01:03:52,079 Sedate the bastard, you know? 961 01:04:03,439 --> 01:04:08,816 I was so in love with cocaine. I loved it. Of course I did. 962 01:04:11,983 --> 01:04:15,248 At one point, I knew 10 dealers in New York. 963 01:04:16,078 --> 01:04:19,756 They were the only collectors of my pictures, 964 01:04:19,758 --> 01:04:22,960 'cause, you know, the exchange policy. 965 01:04:24,750 --> 01:04:27,247 I mean, I could get an eight for a fucking print, man. 966 01:04:34,319 --> 01:04:36,272 High Times. Uh-oh. 967 01:04:37,167 --> 01:04:38,960 That's how I got good at shooting still-lives. 968 01:04:40,911 --> 01:04:42,957 You could take a long time 969 01:04:42,959 --> 01:04:45,132 and it could work out quite expensive 970 01:04:45,134 --> 01:04:47,664 because the material goods consumed. 971 01:04:48,366 --> 01:04:50,159 You know, it would get out of control. 972 01:04:51,854 --> 01:04:54,575 That's in a meat warehouse. Look, you can see the meat. 973 01:04:55,055 --> 01:04:58,797 So, it was an interesting shoot, but heavily chemicalized. 974 01:04:58,799 --> 01:04:59,888 I remember that. 975 01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:03,853 Even when I did all that cocaine and speed, 976 01:05:03,855 --> 01:05:05,773 I was also doing yoga. 977 01:05:05,775 --> 01:05:08,368 Be up for three days, stand on your head for an hour. 978 01:05:08,591 --> 01:05:09,741 I mean, wow. 979 01:05:09,743 --> 01:05:12,464 Talk about the big fucking bang in the brain. 980 01:05:15,695 --> 01:05:18,576 I do remember once not sleeping for seven days. 981 01:05:19,694 --> 01:05:21,935 Anyone that cared knew I was, you know, 982 01:05:22,192 --> 01:05:24,144 existing a bit beyond the pale... 983 01:05:25,326 --> 01:05:27,789 in terms of being reliable in any sense, 984 01:05:27,791 --> 01:05:29,837 in terms of, you know, being able... 985 01:05:29,839 --> 01:05:30,956 Just being professional. 986 01:05:30,958 --> 01:05:34,671 Just wasn't... Wasn't being professional. 987 01:05:36,558 --> 01:05:38,413 I remember doing that Carly Simon shoot, 988 01:05:38,415 --> 01:05:40,048 and she was the first person to say it. 989 01:05:40,334 --> 01:05:42,061 She said, "Yeah, Mick takes great pictures, 990 01:05:42,063 --> 01:05:44,400 but you can't find him after the session for days." 991 01:05:59,599 --> 01:06:02,605 ♪ Far away ♪ 992 01:06:02,607 --> 01:06:06,060 ♪ In a land caught between time and space ♪ 993 01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:12,109 I was in a lot of denial, though. 994 01:06:12,111 --> 01:06:14,382 I didn't get all the way to the bottomless pit. 995 01:06:14,384 --> 01:06:18,668 But it would get... I would get flashes of things 996 01:06:18,670 --> 01:06:20,751 possibly getting bleaker. 997 01:06:22,064 --> 01:06:25,676 Those were, like, very fragmented times I was living. 998 01:06:25,678 --> 01:06:28,078 And I did a lot of different things. 999 01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:31,276 ♪ No sorrow, no shame ♪ 1000 01:06:31,278 --> 01:06:35,119 It was hyperactive in my rampant insecurity. 1001 01:06:38,991 --> 01:06:40,910 And then there's Motley Crue. 1002 01:06:40,912 --> 01:06:42,669 It was glam metal. 1003 01:06:42,671 --> 01:06:44,621 I mean, it wasn't that I was working that much, 1004 01:06:44,623 --> 01:06:47,215 so they came and found me. 1005 01:06:48,622 --> 01:06:50,605 Couldn't tell them, "Oh, Mick Rock has a problem 1006 01:06:50,607 --> 01:06:52,140 and it will be an issue." 1007 01:06:52,142 --> 01:06:54,446 Just doing what they're doing. 1008 01:06:59,982 --> 01:07:03,693 The thing is it didn't matter what sort of state I was in, 1009 01:07:03,695 --> 01:07:06,544 where I was... It mattered nothing at all. 1010 01:07:07,535 --> 01:07:09,007 The pictures would always work. 1011 01:07:09,678 --> 01:07:11,405 So, that kind of sat over here. 1012 01:07:11,407 --> 01:07:13,901 Over here, meanwhile, is the real Mick Rock, 1013 01:07:13,903 --> 01:07:16,975 and he's getting to be a bit of a bloody disaster. 1014 01:07:26,414 --> 01:07:29,709 Had to leave the city. I owed the landlord a lot of... 1015 01:07:29,711 --> 01:07:31,949 wasn't so much, but it seemed like a lot at the time. 1016 01:07:31,951 --> 01:07:33,807 Could be 10 grand. 1017 01:07:35,983 --> 01:07:37,325 I mean, I don't know. 1018 01:07:37,327 --> 01:07:38,509 Perhaps people stopped calling me 1019 01:07:38,511 --> 01:07:40,303 because I was too much of a loon. 1020 01:07:49,166 --> 01:07:50,989 I had not been getting enough 1021 01:07:50,991 --> 01:07:52,909 satisfaction out of photography for a while, 1022 01:07:52,911 --> 01:07:55,629 and I'd started to do some art direction 1023 01:07:55,631 --> 01:07:57,548 and a bit of collage work 1024 01:07:57,550 --> 01:07:59,374 related to the art direction. 1025 01:07:59,982 --> 01:08:02,349 You know, I don't know what I'm gonna do when I do it. 1026 01:08:02,351 --> 01:08:03,692 It just starts to form. 1027 01:08:03,694 --> 01:08:06,188 I do one or two things, and this suggests something else 1028 01:08:06,190 --> 01:08:07,693 and this suggests something else. 1029 01:08:07,695 --> 01:08:09,900 And then suddenly, whoopsie daisy, 1030 01:08:09,902 --> 01:08:11,823 you got this thing. 1031 01:08:12,462 --> 01:08:13,743 Was I high at the time? 1032 01:08:14,863 --> 01:08:15,757 Yeah, I was high at the time I did all this early work, 1033 01:08:15,759 --> 01:08:19,565 but I do it now without being chemically, 1034 01:08:19,567 --> 01:08:20,879 you know, altered. 1035 01:08:39,246 --> 01:08:40,909 When things started going badly, 1036 01:08:40,911 --> 01:08:43,696 I wouldn't go to David or Lou and ask them for work. 1037 01:08:45,710 --> 01:08:47,789 I've not exactly been that communicative with them 1038 01:08:47,791 --> 01:08:49,389 for quite some time, 1039 01:08:49,391 --> 01:08:51,632 although they've both tried, to be honest. 1040 01:08:53,519 --> 01:08:55,149 I knew I was too fucked up 1041 01:08:55,151 --> 01:08:57,324 to be able to face them properly, though. 1042 01:08:57,326 --> 01:08:58,735 I think there was... 1043 01:09:00,463 --> 01:09:02,124 always had some fantasy. 1044 01:09:02,126 --> 01:09:05,006 When I straightened out, then I could see them again. 1045 01:09:08,655 --> 01:09:10,508 I don't know if I really fell out with him. 1046 01:09:10,510 --> 01:09:11,534 I think I got very paranoid 1047 01:09:11,536 --> 01:09:13,807 because I missed his bloody wedding. 1048 01:09:14,478 --> 01:09:17,423 I was supposed to be there to take photographs and I... 1049 01:09:23,151 --> 01:09:24,719 I don't know, mate. 1050 01:09:25,455 --> 01:09:28,911 Just... I got myself up a back alley. 1051 01:09:29,615 --> 01:09:31,564 It was hard to get down, really. 1052 01:09:31,566 --> 01:09:33,680 Tough to get out of it. 1053 01:10:22,094 --> 01:10:24,620 I think when the shit hit the fan, as it were, 1054 01:10:24,622 --> 01:10:28,429 when it all started to fall apart, I wasn't equipped. 1055 01:10:28,431 --> 01:10:32,108 And these were so strong, and my pictures were so strong 1056 01:10:32,110 --> 01:10:34,285 that that was my identity. 1057 01:10:34,287 --> 01:10:36,687 All of them had become a little bit of me. 1058 01:11:15,438 --> 01:11:18,063 Take it slow. 1059 01:11:32,623 --> 01:11:33,807 Did a shoot. 1060 01:11:34,895 --> 01:11:36,812 Yeah, I was actually out in the West Side 1061 01:11:36,814 --> 01:11:39,310 when the West Side was still very raw. 1062 01:11:40,526 --> 01:11:42,254 And it was cold, as well. 1063 01:11:54,222 --> 01:11:59,405 And, whew, this bizarre feeling. 1064 01:11:59,407 --> 01:12:03,119 I kind of wasn't admitting to myself what it fucking was. 1065 01:12:04,334 --> 01:12:07,055 They could see something was going on. 1066 01:12:08,270 --> 01:12:13,199 My heart started doing the kind of... 1067 01:12:13,933 --> 01:12:17,996 I was too stunned and too in a state of realizing that, 1068 01:12:17,998 --> 01:12:20,492 you know, somehow this had all been so inevitable 1069 01:12:20,494 --> 01:12:23,247 that I was sort of beyond being scared. 1070 01:13:18,253 --> 01:13:21,230 Oh! So this was the fucking end game. 1071 01:13:22,445 --> 01:13:25,165 I've been trying to figure out what the end game's gonna be, 1072 01:13:25,167 --> 01:13:28,623 and it was you on a hospital bed nearly dead. 1073 01:13:29,903 --> 01:13:32,907 And I was singing to myself over and over again, 1074 01:13:32,909 --> 01:13:35,531 "In pastures green, he leadeth me. 1075 01:13:35,533 --> 01:13:37,677 The quiet waters by." 1076 01:13:37,679 --> 01:13:39,088 And I was weeping. 1077 01:13:42,222 --> 01:13:43,371 My mother always says 1078 01:13:43,373 --> 01:13:45,324 we're all living on the edge of a precipice, 1079 01:13:45,326 --> 01:13:47,727 and that always comes to mind, 1080 01:13:48,335 --> 01:13:50,892 but I will not go lightly into that dark night, 1081 01:13:50,894 --> 01:13:53,167 that's for sure. 1082 01:17:17,614 --> 01:17:19,211 Yeah, I don't think too hard about it 1083 01:17:19,213 --> 01:17:21,228 'cause I don't really want to go quite back there. 1084 01:17:21,230 --> 01:17:24,109 I mean, I acknowledge it, but I don't, like, you know, 1085 01:17:24,111 --> 01:17:25,773 get into it too much 1086 01:17:25,775 --> 01:17:29,711 because that's not something you want to happen again. 1087 01:17:30,159 --> 01:17:31,823 No fucking way. 1088 01:17:32,878 --> 01:17:37,836 Three heart attacks followed by quadruple bypass heart surgery, 1089 01:17:37,838 --> 01:17:40,398 all in my early 40s. 1090 01:17:41,390 --> 01:17:43,276 So, at times in my life, 1091 01:17:43,278 --> 01:17:45,069 I've certainly felt like a failure. 1092 01:17:45,071 --> 01:17:46,924 Definitely. Woof. 1093 01:17:46,926 --> 01:17:48,461 Beyond being a failure. 1094 01:17:48,463 --> 01:17:50,988 I was dead broke. 1095 01:17:50,990 --> 01:17:53,709 I had a serious cocaine habit. 1096 01:17:53,711 --> 01:17:55,663 I had zero insurance. 1097 01:17:56,175 --> 01:17:58,412 And there were my saviors... 1098 01:17:58,414 --> 01:18:00,972 Andrew Loog Oldham, the original Svengali 1099 01:18:00,974 --> 01:18:02,349 of The Rolling Stones, 1100 01:18:02,351 --> 01:18:03,820 and Allen Klein, 1101 01:18:03,822 --> 01:18:06,251 who had been the business manager of the Stones 1102 01:18:06,253 --> 01:18:08,495 and the Beatles in the late '60s. 1103 01:18:09,357 --> 01:18:11,183 They paid for everything. 1104 01:18:11,822 --> 01:18:14,958 I think it's fair to say they in many ways saved my life. 1105 01:18:19,886 --> 01:18:21,579 I was just a child in my times. 1106 01:18:21,581 --> 01:18:23,216 I don't think... 1107 01:18:24,749 --> 01:18:26,605 I didn't know what I was, to be honest with you, 1108 01:18:26,607 --> 01:18:28,651 but I was something. 1109 01:18:28,653 --> 01:18:30,475 You know, something without being full of it. 1110 01:18:30,477 --> 01:18:32,972 Just something, and I'm looking for it. 1111 01:18:32,974 --> 01:18:34,444 It's there somewhere. 1112 01:18:34,446 --> 01:18:37,996 And it was buried deep, and it took me so long, 1113 01:18:37,998 --> 01:18:40,875 and I had to nearly die to get to what this Mick Rock thing is 1114 01:18:40,877 --> 01:18:42,958 other than some kind of parody. 1115 01:18:53,230 --> 01:18:55,855 Ugh. Phew. 1116 01:18:56,367 --> 01:18:58,029 Don't even know where to begin. 1117 01:18:58,031 --> 01:19:00,910 It's like a monster that I've been dragging around. 1118 01:19:01,166 --> 01:19:07,500 I even thought of making a movie about a photographer 1119 01:19:07,502 --> 01:19:09,807 who was trapped by his images. 1120 01:19:10,510 --> 01:19:13,775 I mean, look at it. I can't let go of a lot of it. 1121 01:19:14,382 --> 01:19:16,174 In fact, most of it. 1122 01:19:19,565 --> 01:19:21,455 My job is to protect it. 1123 01:19:24,462 --> 01:19:26,636 I don't know how it will happen. 1124 01:19:26,638 --> 01:19:28,495 It'll just, you know... 1125 01:19:28,686 --> 01:19:30,671 I was just Michael David Rock. 1126 01:19:31,501 --> 01:19:33,007 Joan Rock's little boy. 1127 01:19:33,486 --> 01:19:37,263 And then this Mick Rock thing took over. 1128 01:19:52,877 --> 01:19:54,925 Do you enjoy being a rock star? 1129 01:19:54,927 --> 01:19:56,462 Fantastic. 1130 01:19:56,910 --> 01:19:58,924 What do you think you are at heart? 1131 01:19:58,926 --> 01:20:00,043 I'm an object. 1132 01:20:00,045 --> 01:20:02,220 But you live with other people's ideas. 1133 01:20:06,125 --> 01:20:09,068 I think I make good use of this. I tell you. 1134 01:20:09,070 --> 01:20:11,404 I'll take everything it's got. 1135 01:20:11,406 --> 01:20:13,421 It's difficult. But you could've had it. 1136 01:20:13,423 --> 01:20:17,007 You could've had those things a long time ago. 1137 01:20:17,294 --> 01:20:18,991 Why now? 1138 01:21:21,071 --> 01:21:22,412 All right, lads. 1139 01:21:22,414 --> 01:21:23,852 Eyes down for England. 1140 01:21:23,854 --> 01:21:25,231 Let's get rolling. 1141 01:21:25,805 --> 01:21:28,076 I got to work this back a bit. Very high. 1142 01:21:28,078 --> 01:21:30,925 Switch that one off so it doesn't distract me. 1143 01:21:30,927 --> 01:21:32,975 Switch off the overhead lights. 1144 01:21:33,837 --> 01:21:35,468 Let's get some drama. 1145 01:21:35,470 --> 01:21:36,878 It's the mood. 1146 01:21:37,550 --> 01:21:39,055 Have a seat, sir. 1147 01:21:45,389 --> 01:21:46,796 I hate to say it... 1148 01:21:46,798 --> 01:21:48,363 well, maybe no, I don't. Head up a bit. 1149 01:21:48,365 --> 01:21:51,275 - I got a dash of Rasputin. - Oh, yeah. 1150 01:21:51,277 --> 01:21:53,835 - He's plenty... - More than a dash. 1151 01:21:53,837 --> 01:21:55,055 Yeah, okay. 1152 01:21:56,078 --> 01:21:57,995 Ah! Ah! Ah! 1153 01:21:57,997 --> 01:22:01,420 Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! 1154 01:22:01,422 --> 01:22:04,652 Now, if you'll stand up for me against the backdrop, 1155 01:22:04,654 --> 01:22:06,315 it's gonna take a little bit of patience. 1156 01:22:06,317 --> 01:22:07,531 Move that a little bit. 1157 01:22:07,533 --> 01:22:10,189 Doesn't have to, like, disappear, but... 1158 01:22:10,191 --> 01:22:12,012 Just come right up to here. 1159 01:22:12,014 --> 01:22:13,870 Bring that light around. 1160 01:22:14,285 --> 01:22:16,171 Come right back against this now. 1161 01:22:16,173 --> 01:22:18,156 You want... keep the jacket. I like it. 1162 01:22:18,158 --> 01:22:19,947 No, but I like it down if you want. 1163 01:22:19,949 --> 01:22:21,453 I was gonna give you one of these. 1164 01:22:21,455 --> 01:22:22,892 Yeah, yeah, give me one of them. 1165 01:22:22,894 --> 01:22:24,972 Yeah, yeah. Give me four of them. 1166 01:22:24,974 --> 01:22:26,350 Mm-hmm. 1167 01:22:27,181 --> 01:22:29,132 I've done this before. 1168 01:22:29,134 --> 01:22:31,468 Listen, I'm not expecting originality. 1169 01:22:35,855 --> 01:22:37,291 Well, I fucking... 1170 01:22:37,293 --> 01:22:39,918 I knew one shot that I felt the love. 1171 01:22:40,782 --> 01:22:41,900 Oh, yeah. 1172 01:22:41,902 --> 01:22:44,749 Every so often, I nail one. 1173 01:22:44,751 --> 01:22:46,572 Ah! Ah! Ah! 1174 01:22:46,574 --> 01:22:48,236 Right towards me, Josh. 1175 01:22:48,238 --> 01:22:49,324 Push them right out at me. 1176 01:22:49,326 --> 01:22:50,604 There, and up a little. 1177 01:22:50,606 --> 01:22:51,756 Yeah, yeah, whatever you want to do. 1178 01:22:51,758 --> 01:22:55,435 That's fine. Okay, okay, okay, okay. 1179 01:22:55,437 --> 01:22:59,949 Aha, aha, aha, aha, aha. 1180 01:23:01,453 --> 01:23:03,244 Did I get off? Nearly. 1181 01:23:21,230 --> 01:23:25,068 I know I need to do these things for therapeutic reasons. 1182 01:23:25,070 --> 01:23:28,171 I'm better and healthier when I do them. 1183 01:23:28,173 --> 01:23:29,868 There's a lot of different pressures, 1184 01:23:29,870 --> 01:23:31,691 but really, once I'm in the open field 1185 01:23:31,693 --> 01:23:34,092 where the creative part is happening, 1186 01:23:34,094 --> 01:23:37,388 whatever the fuck else is going, that, you know. 1187 01:23:37,390 --> 01:23:40,139 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Beautiful, beautiful, 1188 01:23:40,141 --> 01:23:41,611 I love it, I love it, I love it. 1189 01:23:41,613 --> 01:23:43,661 Yes, stay. Stay with me. 1190 01:23:43,663 --> 01:23:45,195 There's a certain hunger 1191 01:23:45,197 --> 01:23:47,180 comes over me when I pick up a camera. 1192 01:23:47,182 --> 01:23:49,196 Sometimes I joke about, you know, 1193 01:23:49,198 --> 01:23:51,340 being a bit of a vampire, 1194 01:23:51,342 --> 01:23:53,003 and especially shooting younger people 1195 01:23:53,005 --> 01:23:55,055 'cause the blood tastes better. 1196 01:23:58,382 --> 01:23:59,724 The hands... move the hands around. 1197 01:23:59,726 --> 01:24:02,795 Like, very... I mean, the robot, 1198 01:24:02,797 --> 01:24:05,356 but... ah, super. 1199 01:24:05,358 --> 01:24:07,531 This is one for the fucking ages. 1200 01:24:07,533 --> 01:24:09,611 The only control you have is in the doing 1201 01:24:09,613 --> 01:24:11,179 of what you're doing. 1202 01:24:11,181 --> 01:24:14,862 You can't dictate what will have resonance. 1203 01:24:24,621 --> 01:24:27,307 The thing that used to irritate me is, you know, he... 1204 01:24:27,309 --> 01:24:29,356 "Oh, the man that photographed this person or that person," 1205 01:24:29,358 --> 01:24:31,180 but after a while, 1206 01:24:31,182 --> 01:24:33,195 you're gonna stop being called the man who shot the '70s. 1207 01:24:33,197 --> 01:24:34,859 It's just a tag, right? 1208 01:24:34,861 --> 01:24:36,908 But whatever. It is what it is, 1209 01:24:36,910 --> 01:24:40,172 and it's better that you're thought of in some way 1210 01:24:40,174 --> 01:24:42,796 that is, like, not so awful 1211 01:24:42,798 --> 01:24:44,589 than not to be thought of at all. 1212 01:24:49,934 --> 01:24:52,267 Of course, the amazing thing for me nowadays 1213 01:24:52,269 --> 01:24:54,476 is that this rock 'n' roll photography stuff 1214 01:24:54,478 --> 01:24:56,428 is in museums and galleries 1215 01:24:56,430 --> 01:24:59,276 and cultural institutions all over the world, 1216 01:24:59,278 --> 01:25:03,596 and I keep thinking something went very wrong. 1217 01:25:03,598 --> 01:25:06,731 We were supposed to be rebels and outsiders, 1218 01:25:06,733 --> 01:25:08,619 but nowadays, 1219 01:25:08,621 --> 01:25:11,535 we have been absorbed by the modern establishment. 1220 01:25:19,277 --> 01:25:22,350 Ladies and gentlemen, Mick Rock! 1221 01:25:32,045 --> 01:25:33,835 I got lucky a lot. Didn't I, Lou? 1222 01:25:33,837 --> 01:25:36,427 I got very lucky at times. Let's be honest. 1223 01:25:36,429 --> 01:25:39,851 When you have that much luck, at a certain point, 1224 01:25:39,853 --> 01:25:42,446 you have to say there is more involved. 1225 01:25:43,181 --> 01:25:45,931 You know, continuously in the right place 1226 01:25:45,933 --> 01:25:48,779 at the right time with an instrument 1227 01:25:48,781 --> 01:25:51,916 that continuously takes beautiful pictures. 1228 01:25:51,918 --> 01:25:56,335 So, granted that... that Rock has no talent. 1229 01:26:04,782 --> 01:26:06,315 You know, I just think 1230 01:26:06,317 --> 01:26:09,099 if you have the right obsessive nature, 1231 01:26:09,101 --> 01:26:11,020 you know, could be a sick obsessive nature, 1232 01:26:11,022 --> 01:26:13,995 but you have to have the capacity 1233 01:26:13,997 --> 01:26:16,748 to be fascinated. 1234 01:26:16,750 --> 01:26:19,083 And I think you can fascinate me. 1235 01:26:19,085 --> 01:26:22,255 I'm like, you know, a baboon with a banana. 1236 01:26:23,597 --> 01:26:25,775 And a camera, of course. 1237 01:27:00,206 --> 01:27:01,739 The mystery of it all. 1238 01:27:01,741 --> 01:27:03,211 That's what excites me, 1239 01:27:03,213 --> 01:27:05,835 is how mysterious so much of this is 1240 01:27:05,837 --> 01:27:08,492 and how these things happen and why they happen, 1241 01:27:08,494 --> 01:27:09,739 and the fact that, you know, 1242 01:27:09,741 --> 01:27:11,723 you can kind of smell this stuff, 1243 01:27:11,725 --> 01:27:14,219 but you can't really describe it. 1244 01:27:14,221 --> 01:27:16,268 I mean, I love... 1245 01:27:16,270 --> 01:27:18,575 I love to take pictures. 1246 01:27:57,710 --> 01:27:59,787 ♪ I got a date with the night ♪ 1247 01:27:59,789 --> 01:28:01,292 Yeah, crank it up a little bit! 1248 01:28:01,294 --> 01:28:02,603 Liven it up just a little. 1249 01:28:02,605 --> 01:28:04,204 Little bit. Yeah. 1250 01:28:04,206 --> 01:28:07,339 ♪ Gonna catch the kids dry ♪ 1251 01:28:07,341 --> 01:28:10,316 ♪ Gonna walk on water ♪ 1252 01:28:10,318 --> 01:28:12,780 This guy's a right fucking cunt and he's mad as a hatter. 1253 01:28:12,782 --> 01:28:14,636 I thought, "Send him over immediately." 1254 01:28:14,638 --> 01:28:17,131 ♪ Sweating in the winter ♪ 1255 01:28:17,133 --> 01:28:19,500 ♪ Both thighs squeeze tight ♪ 1256 01:28:19,502 --> 01:28:21,707 Where is he? Is he doing yoga somewhere in the building? 1257 01:28:21,709 --> 01:28:25,260 ♪ Choke, choke, choke, choke, choke, choke, choke, choke ♪ 1258 01:28:25,262 --> 01:28:27,563 ♪ Choke, choke, choke, choke, choke, choke, choke ♪ 1259 01:28:27,565 --> 01:28:30,955 ♪ Don't tell me to fix her ♪ 1260 01:28:30,957 --> 01:28:34,091 ♪ Don't tell me to fix her ♪ 1261 01:28:34,093 --> 01:28:35,883 ♪ Just take a bite ♪ 1262 01:28:35,885 --> 01:28:37,868 Come on in, gentlemen. 1263 01:28:37,870 --> 01:28:40,619 - ♪ No hanging no picture ♪ - All hands on deck. 1264 01:28:40,621 --> 01:28:42,091 Fucking Motley Crue come 1265 01:28:42,093 --> 01:28:43,915 for a spanking session with Mick Rock. 1266 01:28:43,917 --> 01:28:45,836 No laughing, you cunts. 1267 01:28:47,726 --> 01:28:48,876 Watch the birdie. 1268 01:28:48,878 --> 01:28:50,507 Keep... keep your eyes on the prize. 1269 01:28:50,509 --> 01:28:52,460 Keep your eyes on the prize. 1270 01:28:52,462 --> 01:28:56,139 ♪ Choke, choke, choke, choke, choke, choke, choke ♪ 1271 01:28:56,141 --> 01:28:59,499 ♪ Choke, choke, choke, choke, choke ♪ 1272 01:29:01,070 --> 01:29:03,023 Hold your horses. 1273 01:29:04,557 --> 01:29:06,251 Yeah, you can do it, too. 1274 01:29:06,253 --> 01:29:08,460 Helps if you're high, of course. 1275 01:29:08,462 --> 01:29:10,668 No, I want to fucking feel it. Can I feel it? 1276 01:29:11,788 --> 01:29:14,605 Oh, dear. A bit too old for this. 1277 01:29:15,821 --> 01:29:18,956 What's my name? What's my name, Lenny? 1278 01:29:18,958 --> 01:29:20,142 Mick Rock. 1279 01:29:23,278 --> 01:29:24,813 Final roll. 1280 01:29:25,421 --> 01:29:27,340 You know what he said working with me was like? 1281 01:29:27,342 --> 01:29:28,684 Tell 'em. Tell 'em. 1282 01:29:28,686 --> 01:29:30,924 - You said it. - It's like doing crack. 1283 01:29:30,926 --> 01:29:32,367 It's fucking like doing crack. 1284 01:29:36,301 --> 01:29:37,676 ♪ Gonna catch the kids dry ♪ 1285 01:29:37,678 --> 01:29:39,851 Everybody scream. Can't keep it straight. 1286 01:29:39,853 --> 01:29:43,019 ♪ Gonna bend my finger ♪ 1287 01:29:43,021 --> 01:29:46,284 ♪ Blind out my sight ♪ 1288 01:29:46,286 --> 01:29:49,229 ♪ We're sweating in the winter ♪ 1289 01:29:49,741 --> 01:29:51,086 You smell good. 1290 01:29:52,812 --> 01:29:54,158 Kisses all around. 1291 01:29:55,758 --> 01:29:58,091 Oh, oh, oh. 1292 01:29:58,093 --> 01:29:59,627 Oh, yeah. One more. 1293 01:29:59,629 --> 01:30:01,166 One more. 1294 01:30:03,693 --> 01:30:05,614 - You're fabulous. - Oh. 1295 01:30:08,271 --> 01:30:13,271 Subtitles by explosiveskull 105181

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