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Name one Cornish newsreader or
presenter... More on those badgers.

Is there something
we might find for Sally Wingate? No.

Is it worth thinking
about Britain's Tastiest Village?

Village is
appointment-to-view television.

You're telling me we've lost
Clare Balding?

I know it's not words
you want to hear.

We'd love you to do the show, Carol.

It's like me in a restaurant
with Carol Vorderman.

I'm like "Guys,
whatever happens, it's enough."

'Now she says she believes that
could be down to the Corporation's

'institutional
anti-West Country bias.'

What? Bollocks.

So that's happened.

Woman's Hour. I've got you on
tomorrow with Jenni Murray.

Got ME on?

All you need to do is decide
whether you want to go up tonight

or catch the early train
in the morning.

Manchester? Gah, no, bad luck.

Stand by, Two. Mix through.

Cue on two.

The BBC's announced
the appointment

of ex-Head of Olympic Deliveries,
Ian Fletcher,

as its new Head of Values.

'Time now for the shipping forecast.'

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Oh, right, Tracey, thanks,
that's great.

Don't think I normally do this, Ian.
No, I won't.

I'm not the sort of person that
gets the coffee in life. No.

It's Friday morning and BBC Head of
Values, Ian Fletcher,

is at Euston Station

with BBC Communications Officer
Tracey Pritchard.

Is there chocolate on that?
No, there is not. No, OK, right.

They're on their way up
to Manchester

so that Ian can take part

in a live interview on Woman's Hour
on Radio 4.

I have to say, having slept on it,

I still don't know
why we're doing this.

It's Friday. I'm sorry,
but that's just the way it is.

Why is Woman's Hour
from Manchester on Fridays?

OK. That's a good question, Ian.
I'm not being funny or anything
but I'm not sure anyone knows that.

That's great, but why I couldn't just
do it down the line from here...

Ah, no. I mean, I have to say,
it's beyond me.

What it is is, because of the
interest there is in this, Ian,

because of the whole thing,

it's crucial you're seen to be in
the studio with Jenni. It's radio!

With the BBC now accused of ageism,
sexism,

and institutional anti-West Country
bias in its treatment

of Spotlight South West
presenter Sally Wingate,

the Woman's Hour interview is an
important test of Ian's purpose

as the Corporation's new
Head of Values and as a man.

Oh, right, here we go. Hi, Siobhan...
Oh, right. Best of luck with that.

Yes, I'm at Euston, actually.
I've just got on the train...

What do you mean, where? I'm...
No, wait, hang on a minute.

Where are you?

Oh, bloody great!

Yeah, OK, OK, I can see you now.

Yes, I know you can. Comin' at ya.
Yes, I can see that too.

But with the PR issues involved in
something as highly visible as this,

newly appointed Brand BBC Consultant
Siobhan Sharpe

from PR Company Perfect Curve

knows how vital it is to make
herself visible, too.

OK, so let's do this.
Let's ride this train!

Yes. Great.

Let's nail this puppy to the floor.

Oh, right. OK. Here we go. What?

The Culture Secretary has been
on the Today Programme.

It's not a good start
to the journey.

In an interview on today's
Today Programme on Radio 4,

the Secretary of State for Culture,
Media and Sport

has expressed his or her
"disappointment"

about the way the BBC
has treated Sally Wingate.

What I'm going to do is,
if it's all right with you,

I want to use this time

to go through a few scenarios
with you, Ian.

Sure. I've been
thinking about this, obviously.

I'm sure you have, Ian,

but I'm not being funny or anything
but you're a man. Well, yes.

Being a woman, I can say this.
You're in very tricky territory
with this issue, and it's live.

Yes. What I'm thinking...

Jenni's going to want to
talk about Sally Wingate, obviously.

Obviously. Whereas I would say
you don't want to do that.

No, the sooner...

What you want to be
talking about is Carol Vorderman.

Right. She's our trump card here,
and we're bringing her back
to the BBC in a new show.

Well, yes. She's in her fifties,
she's good with numbers,

and my husband always said
if he left me for anybody,

it would be for her. Did he?

He did, yes. As it turned out,
he left me for a receptionist
in a BMW showroom.

Really? But that's a different story

that doesn't alter what I'm saying
here.

Carol ticks all the boxes for us.
We love Carol.

David, I don't understand
what you're saying to me.

I know, I just got this text
out of nowhere. Yeah, but you're not
making sense.

I know. It's a nightmare.

Meanwhile, back in London,
experienced producer Lucy Freeman

and entertainment format producer
David Wilkes are in early.

I'm in the coffee queue as usual,
and I'm decaf first up

cos I'm in early, it's a big day,
and I'm not going to max out

my caffeine levels because...
Yes, whatever.

I'm standing there and get, like,
a text, and look down
and it's, like, Clare Balding. Yes.

And I'm like, "What the fuck?"

With Carol Vorderman coming in this
morning

to discuss her presenting role
on Britain's Tastiest Village,

a major new flagship BBC One show
which she's eventually agreed

to co-host with Alan Titchmarsh,

and with Head of Output,
Anna Rampton, due to announce it

at a BAFTA Spirit of Excellence
Forum at lunchtime,

there's been some inexplicably
unforeseen news.

But even then, why would
she want to see us?
Why is she in the building?

She's coming in later for like, I
don't know. A horse thing, whatever.

Wanted to pop in and say hi first.
But Carol's in this morning. I know.

How has this even happened? I know,
tell me about it. No, I'm asking
you, how has this happened?

I just, like, got
a text out of nowhere.

It's gradually emerging that
Clare Balding,

the original choice to present
Britain's Tastiest Village,

is available after all
and apparently still committed
to the show.

I phoned Simon
at ITV, and apparently Clare

is so committed to Village that
she's like,

"I'm not going to do
How Big Is Your Dog? at all
unless they change dates."

No. In the end, they were
like, "Yeah, OK, then, whatever."

Oh, you're joking.
Simon's practically suicidal.

Does Anna know? Anna?

Have you told Anna?

Oh, yeah, right. Well, no.
I mean, not really.

I mean, this is your show, David.

I'm happy to help, but for God's
sake... I know. It's a nightmare.

So when you last spoke to Clare,
cos you spoke to her, didn't you?

Yeah. How did you leave it with her
when the dates all went wrong?

Clare was really
brilliant about everything.

You told her we were going to have
to move on and everything,

you made that clear? Yeah. Uhhh...

We just had a lovely chat.
Oh, you're kidding me.

You know what Clare's like,
lovely Clare.

Nobody wrote the letter?
Right. Or the e-mail saying
how sad we were to lose her?

How we completely understood
her situation,

how reluctantly we had to move on
without her? Yes, right, good. No.

Nobody did that? I know. I just,
like, got this text out of nowhere.

OK, so here's the thing with this,
guys, here's what it is.

Forget radio, forget Jenni Murphy,
forget all that. Murray.
Excuse me? Jenni Murray.

Sure, forget her. How many people
listen to Women's Hour? Uh, well...

Woman's Hour. Sure. How many people
listen to it?

I'm not sure of the figures,
but... OK, so how many people?

How many? I don't know,
just to save time, I give up.
Exactly. Go figure. Whereas...

No, no, hang on. What is it?
What's the answer?

Exactly, that's my point, Ian.
No-one even knows that shit.

3,470,000. Excuse me?

The average weekly audience
of Woman's Hour is 3,470,000.

OK, so that's like a number, right?
Well, yes.

Plus they're going to be, like
old people, right?

They're going to
be sitting there anyway.

How many people follow
Justin Bieber on Twitter?

45,000,000. OK, fine, that's...
45,000,000? Sure.

God, that's depressing.

What's happening today is
Brand Fletcher, Head of, um,

like, Head of... Head of Values.
Head of Values, yeah, cool.

Siobhan, for a start,
I don't actually tweet, OK?

So, I mean, I'm not even on Twitter,
so... Na-ah.

I'm sorry, Siobhan, I don't want
to be rude or anything
but Ian is not Justin Bieber.

Well, no, exactly.

And to be honest, as far as I can
see,

he's never going to be either.
I'm sorry, Ian.

No, that's fine. I have to tell
things as they are. Yes, of course.

OK, so you totally are on Twitter.

Yeah, what? As of now, you have
14,000 followers. What?!

Meanwhile, somewhere between London
Euston and Manchester Piccadilly,
it's becoming clear that Siobhan

has had her office at Perfect Curve
set up a Twitter account

for Ian in order to
establish his cultural capital.

So what happens is... Guys, we are
now approaching Macclesfield.

OK, so what happens is,
like, you tweet:

"Yay, on the train
to Manchester for Women's Hour.

"Soooo excited, can't wait.
Catch me on Radio 2 at ten."

It's Woman's Hour.

Also, it's Radio 4,
just as a detail.

And then we tweet it to
Jamie Oliver. Jamie Oliver?

Yeah, we love Jamie, he owes us big.
But, Siobhan...

When he first came to us,
he didn't even have the lisp.

So then Jamie re-tweets it, and
suddenly it's hashtag mashup city.

One of the design flaws with your
strategy, Siobhan, is,

I haven't tweeted that
and I'm afraid I won't tweet that

or anything remotely like that
in the foreseeable future.

No, that's cool. I'm sorry.

No, I'm good with that.
No, I tweeted it for you. What?

Congratulations, Ian.
You've changed the game here.

Suddenly, Jenni Murphy's nowhere.
It's Murray, OK?

It's Woman's Hour with
Jenni Murray on Radio bloody 4.

I'm sorry, this is wrong. We need to
talk about this.

Got a paradigm,
got to shift it, Ian.

No, you're not actually listening.
OK, I totally am listening.

What it is is, you guys are not
saying the right stuff.

So you're collecting Carol?

You're picking up
Carol from Reception?

Yes, hi. I was just...

Yes, no, that's fine.

And we're meeting her where?

Yes, I'll book somewhere
and I'll try,

and I'll find somewhere that's free.

Good, because I've got to be
away by 10.45. Right. OK.

I'm getting a lift with Patten
to this BAFTA thing

and he likes to be bloody early.

Yes, no, that should be fine.

And we're confident
Carol's on board?

Yes, I mean yes, I mean yes. What?

No, I mean, I'm sure she's already
decided, basically, you know.

She's just coming in this
morning to give us

an opportunity to tell her how
fabulous she is. Right.

Yes, you know how it is. Good.

Well, I hope you're right,
because this has been tight,

and I have to say I'm not
enjoying it at all.

Yes. Oh, yes, cos, uh... Yeah?

No, the other thing that's
happened...

what's also happened, Clare...

I mean, as it turns out,
can actually,

and I think I'm right in saying

she is actually coming in this
morning, yes, she is in fact,

is actually available after all.

Clare? Clare Balding. Yes.

Yes, so that's a bit of a surprise.

It's perhaps worth reminding
ourselves, Sarah,

that 24 hours ago, this was a story
about so-called institutional

anti-West Country bias within
the corporation.

@KirstieAllsopp, "Give Jenni
a big slobbery kiss from me".

She truly is the mother of all
presenters.

Right.

@GeriHalliwell.
"Love, love, love Radio 4".

Brainy people talking.
Right, yes, thank you.

I love this, I so love it.

Meanwhile, Ian has already
arrived at the Woman's Hour studio

at the BBC's iconic
Media City building in Salford,

and is waiting for his turn
with Jenni Murray.

'The BBC has been through ups and
downs, particularly in the last few
years...'

@rioferdy5, "England shit ever
since Glenn Hoddle was manager.

"Too much poverty in the world".

Yes, I'm just watching this
if that's OK.

Sure. Thanks.
No, sure, that's a good idea.

'Disappointment in relation to the
BBC, that's not good...'

We're all set up. Right. OK. Cool.

Just so you know, I've had a word
with Helen, the... OK.

..A word with Helen, the producer,

and what I've done is...
Sure... I've basically... Yep.

I'm talking to Ian, actually.
Cool. This is important.
No, sure, I'm good with that.

I prepped her on
Britain's Tastiest Village. Right.

But I didn't mention
Carol Vorderman. OK.

I left that for you. So hopefully,

that's going to help you
move the conversation

away from Sally Wingate...
And towards the principle of a more
diverse...

Towards Carol Vorderman. Yes,
exactly, towards Carol Vorderman.

Which will be a surprise for Jenni,
because she won't see that coming.

At which point you're pretty much
home and dry, in my opinion.
Yes, good.

OK. "OMG, Vorderman and Titchmarsh
together at last,
Sunday nights BBC One? No WAY.

"Just gone seriously
weird at the knees".

I'm sorry? I love Twitter. I so love
it. Who the hell's that from,
for God's sake?

That's from you. From me? Sure.

Right. No, no, no. No, I'm sorry,
Siobhan, you can't do this.

No, I can. It's not an issue.

No, you can't just do
stuff like this on your own. De nada.

Don't get me wrong, Siobhan.
I'm grateful for your input. Sure.

But I've set this thing up as
an exclusive for Woman's Hour.

I'm about to announce something live
on radio, but apparently
I've already tweeted it.

You so have. You just totally
bucket-sized the whole audience

for everyone involved.

What? You pre-tweeted this thing,
Ian, you're totally ahead of trend.

And here's the thing with this,
you'd better get used to it, OK?

This is a fiddly one, isn't it?
Fiddly? It's really bad luck.

Meanwhile, 180 miles
south at New Broadcasting House

in London, other events
are happening,

but at exactly the same time.

And I'm looking down at my phone.
I'm like, no way.

Yep. It is genuinely hard to believe.

I know, it's like, how has this even
happened, guys, you know?
OK, but it has, it's happened.

I know.

You guys will know what you want to
do about it,

but I'm happy to help
you guys in any way I can. Yes.

With Carol Vorderman due to arrive
at any minute, so is Clare Balding,

and an extraordinary meeting of the
Damage Limitation Group

chaired by Director of Strategic
Governance Simon Harwood

is already under way.

Ah, yes, oh, thank you, Izzy.
Brilliant.

I haven't been
involved in the detail of this

and how you want to do this
is very much up to you,

and of course, Anna, I know you're
going to have ideas.

Well, I've said to Lucy...
No, I don't want that.

I said to Lucy, this needs to be
sorted, and needs to be sorted now.

Oh, no, brilliant. The fact is,
I've said that all along.

No, brilliant, Anna. To be clear
about where we are now -

is Carol actually contracted?

Well, exactly, yes.

Is Carol actually contracted?

I mean, I've spent
the last two days on the phone

to her agents trying to sell them
the idea of Alan Titchmarsh

as an A-lister, and to Alan's agents
trying to sell them the idea

of Carol as a, you know - trying
to sell them the idea of Carol.

Oh, no, no, brilliant Lucy,
well done, you. Yeah, lovely Lucy.

So is Carol actually contracted?

Well, I mean, not legally, no.

OK, well, that's something.
No, but morally... Brilliant.

She's coming in this morning,
and after everything we've
said to her...

Oh, yes, no, no, brilliant.
No, no, absolutely. Very strong.

So listen, from the outside,

as someone who hasn't been involved
in this at all, I, look,

I'll back you guys
whatever you decide to do, OK,

so just take that as read.

I'm not sure quite how thrilled
Tony will be with the idea

that we've got Clare Balding...

so that's Dame Clare Balding, OK?

So keen to do a BBC show
that she's had the,

the ITV schedule bent
out of shape in order to do it,

and we're saying to her,

"You know what, Clare? Thanks, but
we're going to go with someone else."

I don't think she's
actually, like, a Dame? Yes, well...

She's like some other... Yeah, yeah.
What the hell do I know, but I guess

all I'm saying is that
if you do have to make a choice

between one or the other,
then it probably has to be Clare.

Yes. Right, fine. I mean,
doesn't it?

Uh-uh.

The fact is, it's
appointment-to-view television.

I've said that all along.

OK, can I say right now, I'm not
telling Carol? Yeah, lovely Carol.

There's absolutely no
way I'm going to do that. No, sure.

It's not fair to her and given
what's happened, I really think this

should come from someone at a senior
level. Oh, no, absolutely, Lucy.

That is absolutely up to you guys.

I've already said what I think.
Yeah, lovely Clare.

Brilliant.

So iamfletcherbbc just got
re-tweeted by Danni Minogue.

Right. Thank you.

I thought you might want to know.
Is that good?

Good? It's like instant
penetration in the gay community.
It's huge.

I suppose that's something of a first
for Radio 4.

You mention Carol Vorderman as well,
you practically hit gay oil here.

Back up in Salford, it's now nearly
time

for Ian's unavoidable interview on
Woman's Hour with Jenni Murray.

I don't want to worry you,
but I just picked up an e-mail
from mission control.

Right. I'm not being funny or
anything,

but I think we might have a bit of a
situation on our hands here.

What, a situation? Yes, exactly, Ian.

What sort of a situation? Like I say,
I don't want to be negative

but this feels to me like it has
the makings of a major fuck-up.

Right. OK. So...

Hi. Hi, yes. Still a few more
minutes to go,

but now might be a good time

to walk you into the studio, Ian,
if that's good for you?

Right. Yes, of course that's...

Great. Right, no, yes, yes, great.
Cool.

Stop all the clocks.
It's TV's Carol Vorderman.

Yes, this is Simon Harwood.

Oh, no, really, Izzy.
Carol doesn't care who I am.

She's Carol Vorderman,
for God's sake. Simon Harwood.

Hello, Simon. So is Izzy looking
after you OK? Oh, yes.

Yes, she's good, isn't she?
She certainly is.

Tragically, I'm just on my way to
a bloody meeting with His Tonyship,

the Lord Director General, otherwise
I'd find some excuse to stay.

But I couldn't go without saying hi.
I'd never forgive myself.

Well, it's nice to meet you.

Fabulous to have
you in the building, finally.

So good luck in there.

Thank you.

Don't take any nonsense from anyone.

Don't worry, I won't. Excellent
work. Carry on, everyone, brilliant.

Carol, hi. Hi. Lucy.

Yes, of course. Hi, Lucy.
And Anna, of course.

Hi, Anna. Carol, hi.

Really nice to see you again. You
too, for sure. And David, of course.

For various reasons,
whether they know it yet or not,

this is going to be a decisive
meeting for all those involved,

especially for those
who don't know it yet.

Have to say, it's very funky
in here, isn't it?

Well, it is, really, yes.

It's not how I remember it -

all the crumbling corridors
that led nowhere.

I'm not sure I'm going to
be able to get used to this. No.

For Lucy, Anna and David,

their task is to find a way
of breaking the bad news to Carol

in such a way that it doesn't sound
like a giant and protracted cock-up.

Plus, I suppose this is exactly
the kind of series

that the BBC should be making.
Exactly. Yes, good. It so is.

So, I mean, Anna, maybe we should...
Maybe you can bring Carol up to speed

with exactly where
we're up to with things?

No, sure. Because there have been
one or two, erm...
KNOCK AT DOOR

Sorry, everyone, excuse me.
No, that's OK, Jack.

You know, your car's here.
OK, thanks.

And a message from Lord Patten's
office - he's ready when you are.

OK, thanks. Wow. Ah, yes.

Get you. I am so sorry,

I'm going to have to go,
I'm afraid. Sounds like you are.

The fact is, I'm supposed to be
at this BAFTA thing. Lucky you.

Horrible timing. Yes.

But I wanted to be here
to at least say hi to you,

so I guess that's something.
Now, enjoy the...

You know, enjoy your water
and let's talk soon, OK?

Fantastic. I'll see you soon.

Bye now. Bye. Bye, Anna.

Right, then.

Yes.

And with me now is the BBC's
new head of values, Ian Fletcher.

Ian, welcome to Woman's Hour.

It's very good to be here,
Jenni, thank you.

We haven't got time for this.
I need to know from you now

what Ian Fletcher can and cannot say
to Jenni Murray live on air now,

because that is what has happened
here. Like, three million re-tweets.
Like major, major crapfest.

Meanwhile, back in London,
with all hands on deck,

another thing is
about to happen. Will...

Yeah, hi... Oh, hi. You busy?
What, now? Yes. No.

Could you do something for me?
Yeah, OK. It's important. That's OK.

I'd do it myself but I can't be
too far away from...

Erm... Doesn't matter,
it's complicated. OK, cool.

Basically, could you go down to
reception and meet Clare Balding?
Yeah. You know who she is?

Yeah, I know her, yeah.
Horses. Right.

She's down there now,
so could you bring her up here? OK.

But I don't really have time to
explain it, we're in a bit of a...

Basically, could you -
without making it obvious -

could you delay her getting up here
for as long as you possibly can?

OK, no worries.

Basically, we have to get Carol
Vorderman out of the building

before she gets up here. OK, good.

Are you sure you're OK
with that? Yeah. With what?

With everything I just
said to you. Oh, yeah, yeah.

No, that's cool, yeah.

Really, I will love you for
the rest of my life. OK, cool.

As we've been hearing, there's been
a great deal in the media

about the Sally Wingate case.
Of, course, yes.

A lot of it, I have to say,
not very complimentary

about the role the BBC
has played in this. Oh, no, look.

Of course, I'm aware of that, Jenni,

it's very much part of my job
to be aware of it.

Because there are those who say this
case is far from an isolated one

and that it's part of
a worrying trend.

Well... You're Head Of Values.
Absolutely, yes.

Well, is the BBC sexist or ageist

in the way it treats
its female presenters? Right...

Perhaps even both? Right, yes.

I mean, obviously I'll talk to your
agent and we can sort out some kind
of... Oh, definitely.

Apparently, the most common last
word the pilots say before they
crash...

No, please just shut up.

Yeah, OK.
Yes, please shut up, David. Yeah.

No, get off, I am going to,
this has got to...

We've just been
retweeted by Enrique Iglesias.

He absolutely cannot
mention Carol Vord...

..Younger women just there to look
good but it's the men,

and let's face it, often older men,
who are taken seriously.

Well, here again, I have to say...

That's seven million people all over
the world expecting this to...

I'm sorry, I'm not going to let you,
I'm sorry, get off.

..any opportunity
we can behind the scenes,

and indeed in front of the scenes
where it's perhaps more visible,
to move beyond the old stereotypes.

But specifically... Yes. Because
generalisations are all very well...

Absolutely, yes.

I know, I know.

I don't know, absolutely no idea.

No, just arrived.
Still in reception.

I just got a tweet off Gabby
about five minutes ago.

Something about Carol Vorderman.

And since then, it's just gone
absolutely crazy.

Back in Reception at New
Broadcasting House, Clare Balding,

who as an OBE, has half a million
Twitter followers herself,

has arrived, on the phone to
her agent.

Fi, I've got to go. I'll call you
when I know stuff. OK?

Yep, all right, bye. Bye-bye.

Hi, Clare? Yes. Hi.

Yeah, hi, yeah, cool. I'm Will,
so I'm kind of like an intern?

Great, shall we go in?

Cool, yeah, so - can I get you
a coffee or something?

No, no, no, I'm fine, thanks. Cool,
or, like, a slice of apple tart?

Apple tart?

Yeah, I don't know,
it could be anything.

No, really, I'm fine. Shall we...

Yeah, cool, yeah, no, cool,
yeah, no worries.

How are you? How am I?

Yeah, I just mean - yeah.

I'm... fine, thanks. Cool.

You know, I've got a pass
and everything... Cool, yeah,
that's cool, yeah, no... Cool.

Just... I love horses.
My sister had one.

Great. Yeah, a really big one.

Lovely. I used to have to feed it
some mornings

but then it, like, got out?

'No, what I would say
is we're always striving to be better

'and to learn from our...
from experience, and if there is
a general lesson to be learned here,

'we're absolutely committed to
finding out what that lesson is

'and learning it going forward.'

Who is this idiot?

Yeah, I don't know him.
Are we moving? Yeah, say again?

Are we actually going anywhere?
Yeah, OK. Cool.

'..very interesting question,
Jenni,

'and we're hoping that rationality,
not downsizing in that sense,

'but I think in the sense of what is
the rationale? What is the BBC about?
Where are we going?

'Where have we been,
and how do we get there?'

'Doors opening.'

Hey, Clare. Right.

Fine. OK.

Clare, hi, can I get you a coffee or
something? No, you know what? I
don't want a bloody coffee. Thanks.

No, she doesn't want that.
Right. OK.

OK, cool, yeah, no worries.

'Lift going down.'

Tracey, hi.

Not great.

No, no. Really not great. I'd like
to talk about the practicalities

of this on the ground, if I may?

Yes, of course. Yes.

Vor-der-man. Is that confirmed?

Yes. Vor-der-man.

Right, yes.

What exactly will that mean in
practical terms? Right.

I suppose what I'm asking is,

how will we know when you've learned
that lesson?

No, of course,
that's a very good question
and you're right to ask it, Jenni.

For instance - I've got to be a bit
careful about what I say here

because I think we are actually
announcing this later today, but...

..derman.
Clare Balding either!

For those who don't know,
that's a show with Alan Titchmarsh.

Exactly, yes,
and without giving too much away...

Don't mention it! Yes.
Talk about anything!

One example that's in my mind at the
moment because, as I say,

we are announcing it later today...

I am actually quite strong.

..I am allowed to say at this stage,
in fact, I'm going to say it anyway,

we've been talking to Sally Wingate,

who, by the way, is one of our most
experienced regional women -

women presenters, I mean, obviously.

We've been talking to her

about the possibility of her working
on that show,

presenting alongside, as you say,
with the great Alan Titchmarsh,

and I have to say, without giving too
much away, that we're very
much hoping that will happen.

Well, if... And of course in terms
of the age issue,

if we could pull
that off, that would give them

a combined on-screen presenting age
of something north of 120 years old,
which is a very exciting thought.

So no, yes, we're particularly
pleased about that,

and so no, yes, that's all good.

Brilliant. I just felt somebody had
to take a decision.

No, brilliant, brilliant.

It's been a long day.

But by the end of it,

Ian has made the necessary journey
from Salford to London

in order to
get back to New Broadcasting House.

Between you and me, this is
how this should have turned out

from the beginning. Well, the...

Honestly, I've just left Alan and
Tony, literally skipping around the
office together.

Right, good. I mean, I haven't spoken
to Anna yet. Oh, Anna.

I hope she's OK about the way
things... Well, what do you think?

I mean... I'd say
that Anna's come out of this
really rather gorgeously. Right.

Which you have to say is one of
Anna's great strengths. Right, yes.

I can't tell you, all this stuff
about why the hell do we need
a Head of Values?

Yes, w... what? Like Tony was saying,
you know, now finally, we know.

Right. Just brilliant, brilliant.
Brilliant.

For Ian, it's Friday evening

and at the end of another week
as the BBC's new Head of Values,

all that's left now is to finally
get back to his flat.

But on the other hand, Sally Wingate
is a fresh, new face and... well,

OK, she's new anyway, and we just
thought the idea of Alan on BBC One

with someone who wasn't either Clare
Balding, or in fact, Carol Vorderman

was just a really exciting way to go
with the whole...

No, right. I mean, so maybe
the thing to do, then, is for Alan

to have a think about it
and then, you know...

No, OK. Well, obviously that's
a different way of looking at it,

I mean, I wouldn't use
either of those words, but...

Right, OK, no, yes,
well, thank you for phoning, Donna,

and thanks for putting us
in the picture, so...

Yes, and as I say, we're still
absolutely...

Yes, OK, bye, then, Donna,
thank you, you too, OK, bye.

Bye.

Right. Hi. Hi.

How's it going? Fine, yes. Fine.
Right.

'Lift going down.'

Sorry, I really wasn't listening.
No. But was that...

Yes, that was Donna, yes,
Alan Titchmarsh's agent.

Right. So...
Yes, he's pulled out too now, yes.

Right.
So yes, pretty much a clean sweep.

I'm sorry if... No, that's OK.
I hope I haven't... No, no.

I was in a bit of a tight spot. Yes.

I'm afraid it all got a bit...
No, really, don't worry,
this is quite normal.

Really? Is it?
Yes, this is a pretty ordinary day.

Right. I have to say,
it didn't feel very ordinary to me.

No, but it will do soon.
Don't worry, really.

Right, well. Yes.

'Doors opening.'

Right, well, another week. Yes.

Which way do you... I'm Camden, yes.

Right. Or Kentish Town, really,
depends who I'm talking to. Right.

What about you?
Err, Maida Vale, yes. Right.

No other way of really saying that.
No.

Well, see you on Monday for more,
I suppose.

Yes. More of what?

I don't know, more of this,
I suppose. Yes.

See you Monday, then, yes.
Right, bye. Bye.

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