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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:14,880 This programme contains some strong language 2 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:20,000 Rupert Murdoch is an enigma. 3 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:23,600 Owner of The Sun, 4 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,640 The Times, The Sunday Times, 5 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:31,600 Fox News and hundreds of other media outlets across the world... 6 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:37,080 ..and yet, his story is rarely told. 7 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:40,080 ..to people who've lost their jobs? We have nothing to say at all. 8 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:45,720 He was, and remains, 9 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,440 one of the most interesting people in the world. 10 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:50,000 I used to say at the time, 11 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,120 I learned more from listening to him 12 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:53,880 for five minutes than I would 13 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:56,440 two or three years at any other media company. 14 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,280 To some, he's an extraordinary businessman. 15 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:04,040 Morning, Mr Murdoch! 16 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:07,560 To others, he's a darker force. 17 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:11,600 I call my cancer, the main one, 18 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:13,560 the pancreas one, I call it Rupert. 19 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:16,360 The pollution of the British press 20 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:20,640 is an important part of the pollution of British political life. 21 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:25,800 For decades, Murdoch has been 22 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:28,440 a force in politics at the highest level. 23 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,480 This is a foreigner, 24 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:34,720 interfering in British politics. 25 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:38,920 We learnt a long time ago 26 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:40,240 what to do! 27 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:46,800 The Murdochs always rally around one another, 28 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:50,240 but what divides the children is that they each have their own 29 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:54,840 interest in what they're all going to get out of this huge inheritance. 30 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:00,640 I don't believe that David Cameron, 31 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:04,480 or Tony Blair, really dared cough 32 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:06,840 without getting permission first from Rupert Murdoch. 33 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:11,440 Who do I admire? 34 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:14,120 Who would I look up to? 35 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:19,080 Certainly, Rupert Murdoch comes top of the tree, erm, simply because of 36 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:23,520 his swashbuckling ways of doing things. He's getting on with it. 37 00:02:27,640 --> 00:02:30,880 This series tells the rise and fall, 38 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:34,680 and rise again, of the Murdoch dynasty. 39 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:39,480 What a story! What a story! 40 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:41,200 I mean, God, you know? 41 00:02:57,760 --> 00:02:59,000 Let's go! 42 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:12,000 Thank you to my very good friend, 43 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,840 Rupert Murdoch. There's only one 44 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:16,880 Rupert that we know. 45 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:39,320 BEEPING 46 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:05,160 My name is Les Hinton. 47 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,160 I worked for Rupert Murdoch 48 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:11,080 for 52 years, from 1959. 49 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:19,120 Rupert has these management conferences every few years... 50 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:23,440 ..but this was an early one... 51 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:28,640 ..and we were having it in Hayman Island, 52 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,760 which was an island at that time which the company owned. 53 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,840 It's an idyllic tropical island. 54 00:04:39,840 --> 00:04:41,160 Beautiful place. 55 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:45,440 Rupert said, "Well, let's take over the island." 56 00:04:51,280 --> 00:04:53,400 What are you hoping to get out of this conference? 57 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:55,560 I guess we're going to, erm, 58 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,880 er, get a good understanding of where the company's heading for. 59 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:00,920 Looking forward to it. Ha! 60 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:02,520 Hoping to spend three days, 61 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:03,960 meet all my colleagues. 62 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:05,520 All the divisions are powerhouses. 63 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:07,000 I think that Fox is, uh, 64 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:08,640 an important cog in the wheel. 65 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:13,920 So, what future direction do you see for the News Corporation? 66 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,240 A very bright one. OK. 67 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:17,840 Thank you very much. It's a pleasure. 68 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:39,040 In 1995, there are a number of things 69 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,560 coming to a head in the Murdoch empire. 70 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:47,560 He's about to turn 65 - retirement age, 71 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:52,440 so the question of who will take over is coming into focus. 72 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:53,960 Hello again. How are you? 73 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:05,720 He wants to pass his empire on 74 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:07,360 to one of his children. 75 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:14,240 Family has always been very important to Rupert Murdoch, 76 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:17,080 particularly from the point of view 77 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:18,920 of forming a dynasty. 78 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:23,680 He had always wanted at least one of his children 79 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:25,240 to take over from him. 80 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:31,520 And the three candidates are all on Hayman Island. 81 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:34,760 His daughter, Elisabeth... 82 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:41,120 ..and his sons, Lachlan and James. 83 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:48,040 He used to like to play them off against each other, 84 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:49,960 to see how they would survive. 85 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:54,880 I've met all the kids. 86 00:06:56,840 --> 00:06:58,360 Elisabeth is 87 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:00,680 the child that Rupert has told people 88 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:02,360 is the most like him. 89 00:07:04,280 --> 00:07:06,960 Elisabeth comes across as clever, 90 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:10,960 thoughtful, and she's complimentary about her father. 91 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:16,160 I think he gave all of us, erm, 92 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,160 a sense of braveness. 93 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:20,560 Erm, if you work hard 94 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,120 and you take risks, 95 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:24,600 you're actually OK. 96 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,600 Lachlan is someone who wants 97 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,480 his father's approval. He spent 98 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:36,120 a lot of time modelling himself after his father. 99 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,160 He was known as the Prince. 100 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:44,600 Lachlan has a confident, easy-going air, 101 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,520 and if he's in a battle with his siblings, 102 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:49,760 he seems to be enjoying it. 103 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:52,320 We love getting in debates and we hate, you know... 104 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:55,440 And it gets to a point where, sometimes, you'll have... Well, 105 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:58,800 family members will have dinner with people and they will, er, 106 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,360 if no-one's really talking about much, or no-one... 107 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:03,920 no-one is enjoying a debate, we'll start taking positions 108 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:06,040 against each other we don't really believe in, 109 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,320 but we just want to, you know, cause some, er, some excitement. 110 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,360 And then, there's James, 111 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:16,120 the black sheep of the family. 112 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:18,920 He's dropped out of Harvard 113 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,760 and invested in rap music. 114 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:26,240 He had piercings and tattoos. He was a bit of a rebel. 115 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:30,800 I was then 28, 116 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:34,080 and Lachlan and James were both in their sort of mid-20s. 117 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:37,760 I got out to Australia... 118 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:42,640 ..and we went out one night, we were having dinner, 119 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,880 and then we ended up playing snooker at a... 120 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:47,400 in a snooker room until about 121 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:49,040 four or five in the morning 122 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:52,680 and had lots to drink. And I thought they were fantastic, the sons. 123 00:08:52,680 --> 00:08:54,920 I mean, James told me that he'd been running this sort of 124 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:58,280 rap record label and it got lively in negotiations with 125 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,360 some of these rappers and, you know, a lot of them would be armed, 126 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:05,160 and that James at one stage had had a gun under his desk, 127 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,680 just in case. And I think he said, "Just don't tell Dad that". 128 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,720 But before Rupert can think about succession, 129 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,680 he has a more pressing problem. 130 00:09:16,680 --> 00:09:21,440 He's not getting on with the British Prime Minister, John Major, 131 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:23,880 and the Major government is now threatening 132 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:25,640 to regulate his business empire. 133 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:50,640 Why have you come halfway around the world 134 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:52,600 to talk to Rupert Murdoch and his men? 135 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:56,800 Well, it's important, obviously, because this is a major conference 136 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,800 of one of the largest media outlets in the world. I think it's important 137 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:02,400 the Labour Party makes the case as to why, 138 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:04,920 in a world of very great change, we are the best people 139 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:07,240 to handle that change. OK, thank you. OK. 140 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,880 Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thanks. 141 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:11,920 Thank you. Nice to meet you. Bye-bye. 142 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:23,640 The Hayman Island conference was a very... 143 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:28,600 quite a controversial moment for us. You know, we had people in our own 144 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,640 team who were saying, look, don't do this, you shouldn't do this. 145 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:37,880 But I think Tony and I were immediately, let's do it. 146 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,800 Paul Keating, the Australian Prime Minister, 147 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:44,640 had some really good advice about 148 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:48,160 how to deal with him. He said, "Listen, 149 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,440 "two things you need to know about Murdoch. 150 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:54,880 "He's a really hard bastard," he said, "and the only way 151 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:57,680 "to deal with him is to be a really hard bastard. 152 00:10:57,680 --> 00:10:59,880 "Cos if not, he'll have no respect for you at all." 153 00:11:02,680 --> 00:11:06,320 And he said, "The second thing you have to understand about Rupert," 154 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:12,120 he says, "in his orbit, in his world view, the priorities are as follows: 155 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:15,040 "Number one, Rupert Murdoch. Number two, Rupert Murdoch. 156 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,880 "Number three, Rupert Murdoch. Number four, Rupert Murdoch. 157 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:19,360 "That is it." You know? 158 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,400 "It's all about him and his business interests." 159 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:38,520 It's said that what drives Rupert Murdoch 160 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:40,800 can be found in his childhood. 161 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:52,200 His father had a small newspaper empire, 162 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:56,000 but he died prematurely, before he could hand it over to his son. 163 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,600 The trustees split up the business, 164 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:04,040 leaving Rupert feeling robbed of his birthright. 165 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:16,920 He inherited just one newspaper 166 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:19,080 but, from there, he built. 167 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:37,640 A lot of his impetus came from 168 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:39,520 the idea that he was going to 169 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:41,480 win back those newspapers 170 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,200 and show the world 171 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:44,840 what could be achieved. 172 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:57,280 Rupert believes that it's necessary 173 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:59,680 to have all forms of media 174 00:12:59,680 --> 00:13:01,200 at your beck and call. 175 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:05,560 Buy a populist newspaper... 176 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,560 ..and then branch out and get a serious paper... 177 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,960 ..and then expand into TV. 178 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:22,440 And it gave him immense power. 179 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:30,840 Next, he wants to conquer the British market, 180 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:34,000 and he uses the same plan, 181 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:35,880 starting with the tabloids, 182 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:39,040 the News of the World and The Sun. 183 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,440 Rupert saw newspapers 184 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:45,680 as a political weapon. 185 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:50,280 Next, he tries to buy The Times and The Sunday Times... 186 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:56,280 ..but that's a problem. 187 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:58,680 There are rules in Britain about how much of 188 00:13:58,680 --> 00:14:00,480 any industry one person can own. 189 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:04,920 But Prime Minister Thatcher 190 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:07,440 and Murdoch are politically aligned. 191 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,520 She lets him buy the broadsheets, 192 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:17,720 and then take a large part of satellite network BSkyB... 193 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:22,520 ..and his papers back Thatcher's government 194 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:24,280 all the way, destroying 195 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:27,480 every Labour Leader of the Opposition. 196 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,000 Now Blair's trip to Hayman Island 197 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,680 sends shock waves through the Labour Party. 198 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:47,400 "What the hell are you going there for, Tony? 199 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:49,280 Surely it's not a suntan?! 200 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:54,080 No, Murdoch is not to be trusted." 201 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:57,480 But then, I knew what his answer was. You have to... 202 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:01,160 make sure they're not anti-Labour. And I couldn't dispute that, 203 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:03,320 I just don't like the price that comes with it. 204 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,600 Blair makes his pitch for Murdoch's support. 205 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,480 I was sitting in the audience for it. He turned it on 206 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:18,720 fantastically for that audience. 207 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,400 It was a brilliantly articulated speech, 208 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:23,200 it was passionate, it was detailed. 209 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:30,440 I know and, er, Rupert Murdoch made a reference to this, 210 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:32,760 relations sometimes between News Corp press 211 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,760 and the British Labour Party have not always been, 212 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,120 let us say, what they might be, 213 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:41,040 but there have been changes on both sides 214 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:43,520 and the past should be behind us. 215 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,040 Neither of us are in the business 216 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:49,320 of trading policy or editorial support, 217 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:52,280 but what I want is for you to know where we are coming from. 218 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:55,120 And Murdoch said something like, you know, he says, 219 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:57,600 "We're probably going to end up like 220 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:00,400 "two porcupines making love, 221 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,320 "very slowly and very carefully." I thought, 222 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:05,000 a bit fucking weird! 223 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,680 Our policy is to be within Europe, 224 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,000 fighting for British interests, 225 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,320 not to follow the policy that he would 226 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,240 and surrender British interests. 227 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,240 Hear, hear! Why can he not 228 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:26,960 stand at that dispatch box, as Prime Minister, 229 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:32,400 and say that their views are wrong? Because if he carries on... 230 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:34,960 You said, "I can imagine myself supporting Tony Blair." 231 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,800 Are you going to support him? Well, we'll have to find out 232 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,120 what the difference is between Mr Blair and Mr Major, 233 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,720 before we make that decision. Are you preparing...? Right now, 234 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:44,960 from this distance, it's rather confusing. 235 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,400 Just as he hasn't made up his mind 236 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:04,960 as to who to support as Prime Minister, 237 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:08,720 he's also still deciding which of his children 238 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:10,600 should take over his business. 239 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:13,280 Let's go! 240 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:26,360 For 29 years, 241 00:17:26,360 --> 00:17:28,320 Rupert has been married to Anna. 242 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:32,720 I find Rupert a very gentle man. 243 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,280 He's very compatible. 244 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:37,040 He's a generous man. 245 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:39,240 Er, he's also highly idealistic, 246 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,080 which I think is something that 247 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,040 most people don't understand. 248 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:47,880 And it's their eldest daughter, Elisabeth, 249 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:51,400 who seems to have got what it takes to succeed him. 250 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,200 What? You're on Candid Camera. 251 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:55,480 Oh, shut up! 252 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:09,440 She's fast-tracked to the top of BSkyB Television. 253 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:16,560 Elisabeth really is such an interesting and kind of humble, 254 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:19,440 erm, smart executive. 255 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:25,600 When I profiled her, 256 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:27,720 I thought she was the real deal. 257 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:32,200 She spotted shows in England 258 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:35,960 and said to her father, "You've got to put this on in America." 259 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:39,960 And she made him a lot of money. 260 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:42,680 You could argue, in some ways, Elisabeth was the favourite. 261 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:47,520 She would be the natural person to succeed Rupert Murdoch. 262 00:18:49,360 --> 00:18:51,720 As children of the founder, 263 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:54,920 we care passionately about the future of the company 264 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,560 and very responsible for the future of the company... 265 00:18:59,360 --> 00:19:02,720 ..but in terms of executive succession, you know, 266 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:04,120 that's up to the board. 267 00:19:11,120 --> 00:19:12,600 And having met with Blair... 268 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:17,920 ..now Murdoch takes his daughter, Elisabeth, to Number Ten 269 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:19,840 to see what the Prime Minister has to offer. 270 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:29,440 JOHN MAJOR: I did invite him to dinner. We had a dinner 271 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,320 in February, 1997. 272 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,720 Er, this was a private discussion. 273 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:40,040 There was nobody else there except my wife and Elisabeth Murdoch. 274 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:47,400 HE CLEARS THROAT 275 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:57,080 Raise your hand and read from the card. 276 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:00,280 I swear by Almighty God that the evidence I shall give 277 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,240 shall be the truth, the whole truth, 278 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,040 and nothing but the truth. Thank you. 279 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,880 Mr Murdoch said that he really didn't like 280 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:13,560 our European policies. This was no surprise to me 281 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:16,240 that he didn't like our European policies, 282 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:21,400 and he wished me to change our European policies. 283 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,800 If we couldn't change our European policies, his papers could not, 284 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:28,160 and would not, support the Conservative government. 285 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:33,800 My feeling - and he did not say this - my feeling was that 286 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:35,800 what he was edging towards 287 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,680 was a referendum on leaving the European Union. 288 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:42,480 It is not very often someone sits in front of a Prime Minister 289 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,640 and says to a Prime Minister, 290 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:46,800 I would like you to change your policy, 291 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:52,920 and if you don't change your policy, my organisation cannot support you. 292 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:56,040 People may often think that, they may often react, 293 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:58,720 but it is not often that point is actually directly put to 294 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,360 a Prime Minister in that fashion. 295 00:21:01,360 --> 00:21:05,560 Erm, there was no question of me changing our policies. 296 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,880 Blair wanted to meet privately 297 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:20,680 with Rupert, so they came up to my place, in Hampstead. 298 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,200 So, there were six of us - Rupert, 299 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,960 his wife, Anna, Cherie Blair, Tony 300 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,400 and my wife at the time and myself. 301 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,760 I remember the skill of Tony 302 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:32,560 when issues such as... 303 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:36,440 the European issues like the currency came up, how cleverly 304 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,440 Tony was able to just guide and change the subject. 305 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,120 When they left, 306 00:21:42,120 --> 00:21:43,960 Rupert said, "I like him. I like him. 307 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,200 "Cherie's a bit strange," he said, "but I like him." 308 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:56,160 Good morning. 309 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,040 I'd like to formally confirm 310 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,840 that I've seen Her Majesty The Queen this morning 311 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,680 and sought her permission for a dissolution of Parliament 312 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,040 and a general election on May 1st. 313 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:14,720 The Sun newspaper, which claims 314 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:16,840 it helped swing victory for the Conservatives 315 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:18,200 five years ago, says it's now 316 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,520 backing Tony Blair for Number Ten. 317 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:21,840 The move's being announced 318 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:23,360 on the front page tomorrow. 319 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:30,120 During the campaign, the Editor of The Sun is on holiday, 320 00:22:30,120 --> 00:22:33,520 so Deputy Editor Neil Wallis is in charge. 321 00:22:35,120 --> 00:22:39,280 I edit my first paper, but there was a... 322 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,840 a sort of fairly standard page one 323 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:43,760 about the election, and as soon as 324 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,240 I set foot inside my office, 325 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:52,280 Mr Murdoch's, er, comes on the phone and said, 326 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,240 "Hated your paper this morning. 327 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,120 "You've got this all wrong. 328 00:22:56,120 --> 00:22:59,160 "I'm coming down now." Click! 329 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,040 Two or three minutes later, 330 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:04,800 my door opens, 331 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,640 Rupert comes up and says, 332 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,040 "You're getting this wrong. 333 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,640 "You've got this totally wrong. 334 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:15,680 "We are not just backing Tony Blair, 335 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,400 "but we are going to back 336 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:23,520 "the Labour Party and everything he does in this campaign 200%!" 337 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,800 He said, "And you've got to get that right!" 338 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,880 The power of owning a tabloid newspaper 339 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,760 is that you can reveal people's secrets, 340 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,640 their sex lives, on the front page. 341 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:12,320 It was, listen, it's fair game. 342 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,760 We're going to target Tory MPs. And I did two of them. 343 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:20,480 The News of the World was like having a division of the SS 344 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:24,800 at your beck and call, and it could be sent into action 345 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,600 and it would execute your orders 346 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:31,040 to the fucking full stop. 347 00:24:36,360 --> 00:24:38,800 Everyone's life would get destroyed, 348 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,800 and whatever you asked to be delivered would be delivered. 349 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,720 You had to break the law, 350 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,640 you con people, you lied to... 351 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:53,640 almost to everyone you came across to do with the story. 352 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,160 Rupert Murdoch. 353 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,480 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 354 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,400 When you see that somebody's life has been stomped on 355 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,040 and their prospects ruined 356 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:11,920 and their family dragged through the mire... 357 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,960 Well, you very seldom find that on The Sun. You do find occasionally... 358 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,120 LAUGHTER 359 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,120 No, no, you find the big news 360 00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:20,760 covered brilliantly. We don't believe that people 361 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,560 who set themselves up in positions of privilege, 362 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,360 or as public figures, or as public role models, 363 00:25:26,360 --> 00:25:29,440 and either make money from that or get power from that, 364 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,280 we believe they should be looked at. 365 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,000 We're living in a democracy now and we want to judge... 366 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,520 Our readers... Have this... ..and your viewers want to judge people 367 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,440 by what sort of character they have, 368 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,440 who are setting themselves up as fit to lead the world. 369 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:50,040 Meanwhile, inside the newsroom of the News of the World, 370 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:53,640 a young Deputy Editor is starting to make her way 371 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,480 within the organisation, 372 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:59,680 so effectively that she will go on to change the power dynamic 373 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,600 inside the Murdoch family itself. 374 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,560 I was instantly really impressed. She was a real firebrand. 375 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,080 Unbelievably hard working, 376 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:17,280 really ambitious, really driven and really talented. 377 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:18,880 One of the most talented journalists 378 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,160 I've ever worked with in my life, and one of the best. 379 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,240 But a classic Rupert executive, in a way, 380 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,040 or the ones that he really likes. 381 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,800 Funny, sharp, ferociously loyal, 382 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,240 very driven and wants to win. 383 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:40,080 Rebekah is an extraordinary person. She is probably 384 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:44,400 the most manipulative person that I've come across. 385 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,280 She's brilliantly flirtatious with men 386 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,680 and she's brilliantly flirtatious with women. 387 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,680 Everybody thinks that Rebekah is their special friend. 388 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,840 Well, that's everybody who IS anybody, everybody who has power. 389 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,280 I think a lot of people who worked closely with Rebekah 390 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:06,040 say that, from an early stage, she set out to cultivate Rupert Murdoch. 391 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,400 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 392 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,200 Don't wake up on May 2nd 393 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,760 to the same old Tories back again! 394 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:51,200 In the middle of the election campaign, The Sun newspaper 395 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,880 asks for an article from Tony Blair. 396 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,720 Then, as now, Europe was a huge issue, 397 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,120 so I asked for a piece, 398 00:28:02,120 --> 00:28:04,320 a first-person piece from Tony Blair, 399 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,960 saying what their cut-and-dried position was. 400 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,840 Then the piece arrived, and it was sort of a piece of PR flimflam 401 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:15,920 that actually said nothing. 402 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,080 And I said, "I'm not running this, Alastair, because 403 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:21,560 "it's just saying nothing." 404 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,640 But I said, "For this to be coherent, 405 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,640 "for this to have an impact... 406 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:36,760 "..this needs to say you will not go into the euro without a referendum." 407 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,080 And I duly got a piece - under Tony Blair's name - committing them 408 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,240 to a referendum on the euro, 409 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,080 if it was ever considered that they would go into it. 410 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,800 The price of Rupert Murdoch's 411 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:00,720 support for Tony Blair 412 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,200 was that Blair promised he would not 413 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,600 take us into the European currency 414 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,040 without first having a referendum. 415 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,720 And if Rupert Murdoch had not done that, 416 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,920 we would have joined the euro in 1999 417 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,880 and I doubt Brexit would have happened. 418 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:20,600 So, I think when we look at the long history of Britain's relationship 419 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,640 with the European project that 420 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,360 led ultimately to the Brexit vote, 421 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,200 I think that was a decisive 422 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,640 intervention from Rupert Murdoch. 423 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,720 Good. To be honest with you, I did ask him whether he wanted me 424 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,880 to do this and if he'd said no, I wouldn't have done it, 425 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,160 but he said, yes, do it. And I think historically, 426 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:41,920 some of this stuff is really important. 427 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:11,480 MUSIC: Things Can Only Get Better by D:Ream 428 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,960 # Teach you now that things 429 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,440 # Can only get better 430 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,840 # Can only get, can only get 431 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,440 # They get on from here 432 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,320 # You know, I know that 433 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,960 # Things can only get better 434 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,120 # I... 435 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,200 # Sometimes lose myself in me 436 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:41,120 # I lose track of time 437 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:45,760 # And I can't see the woods for the trees 438 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,280 # You set them alight 439 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,920 # Burning the bridges as you go 440 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,480 # I'm too weak to fight you 441 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,360 # I got my personal health... # 442 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:02,320 In 1997, Tony Blair sweeps to victory, 443 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,240 but for many in the Labour Party, 444 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,720 the support he got from Rupert Murdoch is hard to bear. 445 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,840 ALASTAIR CAMPBELL: After we've been to the Hayman Island... 446 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,240 ..Neil and I ended up having 447 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,440 probably the most vicious argument we've ever had. 448 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,160 When I really kind of pushed him on, you know, 449 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:33,240 "What is this all about?", when it came down to it, 450 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,320 I think it was really about the fact that we'd, 451 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,440 in his eyes, been courting Murdoch. 452 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,520 Somebody that had been so kind of 453 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,600 vile and vicious and venomous about him. 454 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:57,520 And I said to him, "Look, we didn't give him anything." 455 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,320 And he said, "Yeah, but you will. Yeah, but you will." 456 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:11,880 You'll win a bit of support from... 457 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,240 I think his phrase was "a few racist bastards", 458 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,760 and then as soon as they turn, 459 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,160 they'll turn and then, you know, they'll try and kill you. 460 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,360 CHEERING 461 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:25,600 That is the sort of dance with the devil 462 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,680 that some of the Labour Party would worry about. 463 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,200 Thank you very much! I guess the way to think of it 464 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,200 is like you've got a wild dog in the corner of the room 465 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:43,040 and it's sort of there the whole time, and you're aware of it, 466 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,440 and you just want to keep it quiet. 467 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,000 That's kind of, that's how I thought of it. 468 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,680 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 469 00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,520 Thank you! 470 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:00,720 Well... 471 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,240 ..a new dawn has broken, has it not? CHEERING 472 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,400 Do I think that Tony Blair owes 473 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,360 Rupert Murdoch that victory? I do, really. 474 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:19,400 What we did was to say to the British public, this is who he is, 475 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,240 this is what he can be. 476 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,160 Three million newspapers a day 477 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,920 is ten million adults reading something every day. 478 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:31,440 But again, don't forget, though, the country was ready for a change, 479 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:32,960 and that's what Rupert spotted. 480 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,160 We have been elected as New Labour 481 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,000 and we will govern as New Labour. 482 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,600 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 483 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:50,520 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 484 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,000 I did the profile of Murdoch 485 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:22,440 for The New Yorker. 486 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,840 I spent, you know, an enormous amount of time with him. 487 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:33,560 He opened up his kingdom to me 488 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:35,760 and his family, and... 489 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,680 he cooperated, and I was grateful. 490 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,200 And you go into his, his office was all white, 491 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:51,120 the walls were white, the couches were white, er, 492 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,880 and everything was quiet. It was very peaceful. 493 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,160 And you looked at him, he had white hair, 494 00:34:58,160 --> 00:34:59,760 but if you looked at his sleeves 495 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:01,120 rolled up and you looked at 496 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:02,840 the hair on his arms, 497 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,680 they were black, it wasn't white. 498 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:09,560 And I remember looking at him, thinking, there's a fox there, 499 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:13,480 you know, it's... These white walls and white couches 500 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,880 and white hair are a deception. 501 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,600 There's really a fox in that body. 502 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,320 Very cunning. 503 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,840 Murdoch has always created this... 504 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,240 this sense of family first. 505 00:35:31,240 --> 00:35:33,120 I love my kids, I want all my kids 506 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,480 to work with me at the company. 507 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,440 It's always been a dream of his. 508 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,560 Lachlan is in Australia, running - amongst other things - 509 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,360 the newspapers that Rupert felt 510 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,720 he should have inherited from his father 511 00:35:49,720 --> 00:35:52,040 and has now bought back. 512 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,400 And Rupert has bought his son James' rap record label... 513 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,880 ..and given him a job at the company in New York. 514 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,640 It's a... It's a double-edged sword, 515 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:23,800 that level of affection and control 516 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,160 that Rupert Murdoch exerts over his children. You know, 517 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,280 he alternately rewards and punishes them. 518 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,760 But when Rupert Murdoch helps his children, 519 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:38,080 it both sort of helps them, but it hamstrings them at the same time. 520 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,160 They can never really be their own people. 521 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,840 My impressions were that Lachlan has 522 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,160 a charming personality that James lacks. 523 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:53,600 James has more brainpower than Lachlan, 524 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,760 but Lachlan's not a dope. 525 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,720 Elisabeth has both charm and brains. 526 00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:03,320 Elisabeth has been given a promotion 527 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:07,600 at satellite TV network BSkyB - the company 528 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,280 some say Rupert cares most about. 529 00:37:11,720 --> 00:37:16,240 I had always heard that she would be the natural person to run... 530 00:37:16,240 --> 00:37:18,160 to succeed Rupert Murdoch. 531 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,160 Then Elisabeth falls in love 532 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:31,480 with PR advisor and New Labour supporter Matthew Freud... 533 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,240 ..great-grandson of Sigmund Freud... 534 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:42,480 ..and a man who has serious reservations about her father. 535 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,000 I do remember sitting in the kitchen 536 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,240 and Matthew was making sausages - he loved to cook - 537 00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:57,600 but I remember thinking how immense this kitchen is. 538 00:37:59,720 --> 00:38:02,560 Matthew was more dominant a figure. 539 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,520 I was stunned at how freely 540 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,600 he discussed Murdoch 541 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,400 in a negative way, and it was quite blunt. 542 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,760 The relationship with Matthew was driving her away from her family 543 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,320 and making her family very unhappy. 544 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,400 Murdoch was convinced that Matthew was like a fifth column. 545 00:38:29,720 --> 00:38:31,280 CHILDREN CHEER 546 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,880 Not long after New Labour's election victory, 547 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,120 politics, celebrity 548 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,200 and the Murdoch empire are all connecting. 549 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,920 Rebekah is going out with Britain's biggest 550 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,760 soap star and New Labour supporter Ross Kemp. 551 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,440 The extent and the depth of involvement of 552 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,920 News International, on the one hand, 553 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,800 and the British Government, on the other, 554 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,560 is unprecedented. This just wasn't Rupert Murdoch, 555 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,320 this was all of his editors, 556 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,400 all the senior executives, 557 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,440 and they were influential on policy 558 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,120 and they were influential in the papers. It was a two-way street. 559 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,520 I would go and see Tony Blair 560 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:27,160 quite often, er, and would have an hour or so 561 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,720 private meeting in his office. 562 00:39:29,720 --> 00:39:32,280 And what I got to realise when I was editing The Sun 563 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,000 is that the words that I would use in leaders 564 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,600 were often reflected in things that Downing Street said. 565 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:44,840 It was unprecedented. This was almost incestuous. It was almost 566 00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:49,480 the line between Church and State - if I can put it - 567 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,680 between Press and State 568 00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,800 became so blurred that, at one stage, 569 00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,040 it was quite hard to tell which was which. 570 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,640 Rebekah Wade, rises to be 571 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,120 Editor of the News of the World 572 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,960 and really a phenomenal figure, 573 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:14,080 linking the British media and political class. 574 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,400 And she becomes damn nearly 575 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,840 an official member of the Government, and in receipt of 576 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,600 all kinds of brilliant stories about what the Government is going to do. 577 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:26,200 She's close with 578 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:27,760 Alastair Campbell... 579 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,480 ..and she's also good friends 580 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,560 with Gordon Brown's wife, Sarah... 581 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,280 ..and she has access to the Prime Minister. 582 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:51,120 Rebekah had Tony Blair as a best friend. That's the Prime Minister. 583 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:54,400 Pretty good for a journalist. 584 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,320 Quite extraordinary. 585 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,880 Read from the card, please. 586 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:17,520 I swear by Almighty God 587 00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,280 that the evidence I shall give shall be the truth, the whole truth 588 00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:21,920 and nothing but the truth. Thank you. 589 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:31,800 Look, the... In the relationship between senior media people 590 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:35,320 and senior politicians, that relationship is inevitably 591 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,880 going to involve a close interaction, 592 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:39,880 and I think that has always been the case 593 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,200 and it's going to go on being the case. 594 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,720 And what is more, erm, 595 00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:49,400 that interaction will always involve a certain tension. 596 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:56,120 The power that is exercised by a certain part of the media, erm, 597 00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,280 and the use of newspapers particularly as instruments 598 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:03,400 of political power then creates a situation in which 599 00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:08,160 that relationship is not merely sensible, but essential, 600 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,680 and where I think that relationship 601 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:14,480 can be - and sometimes is - unhealthy. So, what... 602 00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,560 in a sense happens is not necessarily 603 00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:22,200 you become particularly close, but the relationship is one in which 604 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,000 you feel this... 605 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,680 this, you know, pretty intense power 606 00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,600 and the need to try and deal with that. 607 00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,120 And I'm just being open about that, erm... 608 00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:37,360 ..and open about the fact, frankly, that I decided... 609 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:42,160 as a political leader, erm, and this was a strategic decision, 610 00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,880 that I was going to manage that and not confront it. 611 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,000 Now, we can get on to whether that was right or wrong 612 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,080 at a later stage, but that was the decision I took. 613 00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,640 Media mogul Rupert Murdoch has just completed 614 00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,320 one of the biggest and toughest deals of his career - 615 00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,680 the dissolution of his 31-year marriage to Anna Murdoch. 616 00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,680 He divorces Anna. 617 00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,880 I mean, I was knocked. It was the biggest surprise 618 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,160 of all the surprises I've had about Murdoch, 619 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:36,240 because I thought he was so dependant and so in love with Anna 620 00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:38,720 and, yet, he turned on her. But... 621 00:43:38,720 --> 00:43:40,840 I mean, I was stunned. 622 00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,440 When his children are asked about it, they put on a brave face 623 00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,200 and seem supportive of their father. 624 00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,000 In some sense, we're... 625 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,040 we're quite honestly very surprised by it 626 00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,600 but, at the same time, we... 627 00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,680 we had our own relationships and... 628 00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,040 and understood that sometimes, um, 629 00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:04,880 the world isn't perfect 630 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,720 and that people can grow apart. 631 00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:11,240 Lachlan, James, they were not happy. They're very close to their mother. 632 00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:19,240 Rupert has fallen for a woman 37 years his junior, 633 00:44:19,240 --> 00:44:23,640 who had been working as an intern in his Hong Kong office, 634 00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:25,000 Wendi Deng. 635 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,080 She was much younger than him, 636 00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:31,680 much younger than me, 637 00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,480 but ambitious, clever, 638 00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,560 came from a sort of working-class, 639 00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,560 communist Chinese family. 640 00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:41,920 She came over to America, worked in 641 00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:43,760 a Chinese restaurant-kitchen, 642 00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:44,920 but ended up getting to 643 00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:46,080 one of the big schools. 644 00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,200 But she was a very, erm, very ambitious woman. 645 00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,720 His daughter, Elisabeth, seems taken aback, 646 00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:06,760 but is supportive of her father. 647 00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,080 Wendi makes Dad very happy, 648 00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,800 um, and she's delightful. 649 00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,440 And, um, it's... 650 00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,480 It's something I couldn't have foreseen but, you know, 651 00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,920 Dad seems extremely happy and Wendi seems extremely happy, 652 00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,160 and you can't begrudge them their happiness. 653 00:45:55,360 --> 00:46:01,280 # Pie Jesu 654 00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,040 # Pie Jesu... # 655 00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,600 I remember, erm, 656 00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,480 being told that Rupert Murdoch had asked me to sing at 657 00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:14,160 his wedding to Wendi Deng and it would take place on his yacht. 658 00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:19,200 # ..Pie Jesu... # 659 00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,280 I had been told by my management 660 00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:25,040 that he had specifically asked for me to sing Pie Jesu. 661 00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,960 And when I raised to my management the point that, 662 00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:32,520 erm, Pie Jesu was actually a requiem, which is a funeral song, 663 00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,440 and he said he didn't care whether it was a funeral song. 664 00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,880 He liked that song and he wanted me to sing it, which I did. 665 00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:42,400 # ..Pie Jesu 666 00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,400 # Pie Jesu... # 667 00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:48,800 And I remember being told that, you know, 668 00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,880 the offer of money, or the offer of the favour, 669 00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,440 in order to basically get good press. 670 00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:59,600 # ..Pie Jesu... # 671 00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,880 And I also remember being 13 and thinking, 672 00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:07,400 why on Earth would anybody 673 00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,840 take a favour over £100,000? 674 00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:15,640 PIE JESU CONTINUES 675 00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:19,720 But being advised by management and by certain members of 676 00:47:19,720 --> 00:47:22,800 the record company to take the latter option, 677 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,240 that he was a very, very powerful man, 678 00:47:25,240 --> 00:47:27,720 I was in the early stages of my career and could absolutely 679 00:47:27,720 --> 00:47:30,320 do with a favour of this magnitude. 680 00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,040 And, yeah, I sang, I sang at the ceremony. 681 00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:46,520 We were on his boat until two in the morning 682 00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,160 and I'm getting off the boat and he grabs hold of me and said, 683 00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,800 "You're not going to hear from me for a month." He said, 684 00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,680 "I'm going to just spend time with Wendi and I'm going to read." 685 00:47:54,680 --> 00:48:01,480 PIE JESU CONTINUES 686 00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,160 Sunday evening, 687 00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,600 phone goes at home 688 00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:18,920 and it's Rupert. 689 00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:22,480 20 minutes later, I'm planning to take, erm, 690 00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,840 six particular executives 691 00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,160 to Italy, where he's on honeymoon in a villa. 692 00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,440 So, we spend four days there, 693 00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,920 talking about a whole range of issues. 694 00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,880 Rupert's best friend is the business. 695 00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,240 That's his life's devotion. 696 00:48:40,240 --> 00:48:42,600 He never stopped working. I don't think in his mind, 697 00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,720 Rupert ever could distinguish between being on duty and off duty. 698 00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,440 And all thoughts of retirement are off the table. 699 00:48:54,720 --> 00:48:57,200 Who will take over his empire? 700 00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,160 Well, it's Rupert, for the foreseeable future. 701 00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:11,160 He lets the cameras film his exercise regime. 702 00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,560 The message seems to be that he is 703 00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,600 as energetic and vigorous as ever. 704 00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:26,240 Wendi was definitely dominant in that relationship. 705 00:49:26,240 --> 00:49:30,680 She gained more and more influence over him over time, 706 00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,520 and it was a bomb inside the family. 707 00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,920 There were rumours that James 708 00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:45,640 and Lachlan had pulled together information that they had 709 00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:47,520 approached their father with. 710 00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:54,480 I mean, they suspected that she was a spy. 711 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,480 Soon, Wendi is pregnant, 712 00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:06,520 and if any of this has caused upheaval inside his family, 713 00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,120 Rupert seems remarkably unconcerned. 714 00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:12,720 He and Wendi are happy to be filmed relaxing 715 00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:15,840 and calmly discussing their plans for the new arrival. 716 00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:19,440 I think I'll speak Chinese only. 717 00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:20,840 He will speak English only. 718 00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,560 So, the baby can speak two languages 719 00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:25,800 quite easily when he that young. 720 00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,720 That's the theory. Maybe it will be no language, we'll see. 721 00:50:28,720 --> 00:50:31,280 Ah! Just be confused. 722 00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,760 No, no, it should work well. Yeah. 723 00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:37,800 You know, I think when you're in love with someone, 724 00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,440 you want to have children with them. I... 725 00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,720 It makes sense, I think. 726 00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:48,680 I'm surprised but, erm, it's, er... 727 00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:52,560 Yeah, I can't wait to welcome the baby. You know, it's... 728 00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:54,880 It'll be exciting. 729 00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:56,640 While Elisabeth seems a little 730 00:50:56,640 --> 00:51:00,320 uncomfortable and bemused by it all, 731 00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,160 Rupert is cheerfully helping Wendi 732 00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,320 deal with the media spotlight. 733 00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:08,480 We're both very excited. Yep. 734 00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,240 You've got to look at the camera now, like the interviewer. Ah. 735 00:51:11,240 --> 00:51:14,040 You've got to learn to perform. OK! I'm not very good. 736 00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:17,280 You'll be the perfect mother. Yeah! 737 00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,960 They have two daughters, 738 00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,440 Grace and Chloe. 739 00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,040 Murdoch will go on to choose 740 00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,800 interesting godparents for them. 741 00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:37,920 In Grace's case, 742 00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:39,600 it will be Tony Blair. 743 00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,920 By 2002, the Blair government 744 00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:55,640 and the Murdoch empire are ever more intertwined. 745 00:51:57,240 --> 00:52:00,000 Murdoch had access to Blair 746 00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:01,880 all the time. Whenever he wanted it. 747 00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,520 He'd be given it private, 748 00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:08,320 secret if he wanted, public if he wanted. And it got 749 00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:11,560 really bad at the time of the Iraq War, 750 00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:14,040 when the Murdoch press became the... 751 00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:16,840 would pump out lie after lie - 752 00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,920 I use the word totally advisedly - about the, er, 753 00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,000 the reasons for war. 754 00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,080 Murdoch was the big cheerleader, 755 00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:29,880 the biggest and most important cheerleader for that. 756 00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:37,120 In foreign policy in these days, 757 00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:38,880 Murdoch was a hawk. 758 00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:40,560 I think he saw it as 759 00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:44,360 his job to keep Tony Blair's feet to the fire 760 00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,880 and to make sure that Britain stood 761 00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:48,360 alongside America when 762 00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:50,000 that invasion took place. 763 00:52:52,720 --> 00:52:55,800 The power of the Murdoch press 764 00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:59,040 is in playing the role of the glue 765 00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,560 between the US and the UK 766 00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:03,320 administrations, between the Bush 767 00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,080 White House and Tony Blair... 768 00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,160 ..so that they would look at what 769 00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:10,760 we were saying in London, 770 00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:14,360 and they would look at what we were saying in New York 771 00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:17,200 and Washington, and it was always the same thing. 772 00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:20,800 Morning, Mr Murdoch! 773 00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:22,840 Murdoch would call him regularly, 774 00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:24,880 he would give him the latest information 775 00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,480 he had gleaned from Washington and the White House. 776 00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,640 He, in turn, would find out what Mr Blair was about, 777 00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:32,520 will the Labour Party be solid? 778 00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,320 I think it's now been established 779 00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,680 that in the week before the land war began, 780 00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:43,920 the Prime Minister spoke to Rupert Murdoch almost as much as 781 00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,960 he spoke to his Foreign Secretary or his Defence Secretary. 782 00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:49,600 That's influence. 783 00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:52,280 And on the eve of war, 784 00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:54,600 Murdoch is one of the last people 785 00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:56,040 Blair speaks to... 786 00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,080 TONY BLAIR: Tonight, British servicemen and women 787 00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:02,920 are engaged from air, land and sea. 788 00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,400 Their mission - to remove Saddam Hussein 789 00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,200 from power and disarm Iraq 790 00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,200 of its weapons of mass destruction. 791 00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,440 ..and 160 of Murdoch's 792 00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:16,160 newspaper editors around the world 793 00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:17,520 support the war. 794 00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:26,480 EXPLOSIONS 795 00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,080 But just as Murdoch is approaching 796 00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:56,160 the peak of his powers and influence, 797 00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:57,880 there's a problem... 798 00:54:57,880 --> 00:54:59,400 Good morning... 799 00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,920 ..as Rebekah Wade and her colleague, Andy Coulson, 800 00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:06,720 give what should be routine evidence to a Commons Select Committee. 801 00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:12,680 Do either of your newspapers ever use private detectives, 802 00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:15,160 ever bug or pay the police? 803 00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:18,040 We have paid the police, erm, for information in the past, 804 00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:21,560 and it's been... And will you do it in the future? 805 00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:24,680 It depends on... We operate within the code and within the law, 806 00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:27,840 and if there's a clear public interest, then the same holds for 807 00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:30,720 private detectives, subterfuge, video bags, whatever you want to 808 00:55:30,720 --> 00:55:33,560 talk about. It's illegal for police officers to receive payments. 809 00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:36,680 No, no, we don't... As I said, within the law. 810 00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:38,720 OK, thanks, Chris, you've got your answer. 811 00:55:38,720 --> 00:55:41,520 Thanks very much for the evidence and the courtesy 812 00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:43,960 with which you have given your responses. 813 00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,400 Thank you very much. Thank you. 814 00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,880 In the eyes of anybody watching, 815 00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:52,040 that's a confession of paying bribes. 816 00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:54,840 And the amazing thing about that is that nothing happened. 817 00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:57,160 Er, there should have been a police inquiry 818 00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:00,800 to find out who was receiving these bribes. That didn't happen. 819 00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:06,040 The way the tabloids had behaved 820 00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:09,040 was like they thought they were above the law, 821 00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,560 that they could do what they want. 822 00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:17,360 Coercion, 823 00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:20,240 bullying, blackmail, 824 00:56:20,240 --> 00:56:23,480 fraud, deception. 825 00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:27,320 Er, illegality, in terms of unlawful 826 00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:30,120 news gathering, you know, private detectives. 827 00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:33,080 Being able to get people's phone bills, bank accounts, 828 00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:37,520 medical records, ex-directory numbers, travel itineraries. 829 00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:41,840 All of these things were available 830 00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,480 and readily used, and I used many of them. 831 00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,040 You can see there's a potential there for a kind of blackmail, 832 00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:53,080 isn't there? The Editor of the News of the World 833 00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:58,240 sits down for lunch with a senior politician and... 834 00:56:58,240 --> 00:57:01,440 unspoken between them is the fact 835 00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:04,240 that the Editor of the News of the World knows 836 00:57:04,240 --> 00:57:07,360 a certain amount of information about that politician. 837 00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,760 Nobody will mention it, but it's there. 838 00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:14,640 And it's going to shape the way that conversation goes 839 00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:16,840 and the kind of dealings which are going to go on 840 00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:19,480 between those two individuals. 841 00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:22,760 I think it's very frightening. 842 00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:26,200 It's quite scary for the politicians, 843 00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:29,000 it's very scary for democracies, cos there's... 844 00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,400 they have a hold over the politicians. 845 00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:49,720 Can we just have it down for a bit now, OK? 846 00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:51,840 If you don't film now, just for a bit? Thank you. 847 00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:53,880 Yeah, no. No, no. No filming, just for a bit. 848 00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,600 It's exciting being a reporter because people do come out of 849 00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:09,400 a clear blue sky and tell you amazing things! 850 00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:13,920 Well, Murdoch's a proper danger to 851 00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:17,360 liberal democracies, if liberal democracy is your thing. 852 00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,600 They all develop this wonderful chorus of attacks, 853 00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:23,520 and they were aiming it all at Rupert, above all. 854 00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:25,440 Delighted with that judgment. 855 00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:28,520 Their Nazi lie was completely invented. 856 00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,520 We've got to take responsibility for the decisions that we've taken. 857 00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:35,320 My answer is yes. 858 00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:36,760 I just thought, this is war. 859 00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,360 This story was always about power... 860 00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:42,280 I can't say any more. There's a lot I'd like to say, but I just can't. 861 00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:45,960 ..and the fear that people have of that power. 862 00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:49,120 Gentlemen, clear away. Otherwise, arrests will take place. 863 00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:51,880 Mr Murdoch, you must be the first Mafia boss in history 864 00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:54,440 who didn't know he was running a criminal enterprise. 865 00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:57,120 Mr Watson, please. I think that's inappropriate. 866 00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:00,080 That's when it went nuclear. 867 00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:03,120 He just had his head in his hands. 868 00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:06,840 It was coming at him from all sides. 103452

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