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This programme contains
some strong language
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Rupert Murdoch is an enigma.
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Owner of The Sun,
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The Times, The Sunday Times,
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Fox News and hundreds of other
media outlets across the world...
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..and yet, his story is rarely told.
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..to people who've lost their jobs?
We have nothing to say at all.
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He was, and remains,
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one of the most
interesting people in the world.
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I used to say at the time,
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I learned more from listening to him
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for five minutes than I would
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two or three years
at any other media company.
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To some,
he's an extraordinary businessman.
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Morning, Mr Murdoch!
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To others, he's a darker force.
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I call my cancer, the main one,
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the pancreas one, I call it Rupert.
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The pollution of the British press
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is an important part of the
pollution of British political life.
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For decades, Murdoch has been
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a force in politics
at the highest level.
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This is a foreigner,
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interfering in British politics.
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We learnt a long time ago
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what to do!
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The Murdochs always
rally around one another,
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but what divides the children
is that they each have their own
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interest in what they're all going
to get out of this huge inheritance.
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I don't believe that David Cameron,
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or Tony Blair, really dared cough
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without getting permission
first from Rupert Murdoch.
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Who do I admire?
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Who would I look up to?
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Certainly, Rupert Murdoch comes top
of the tree, erm, simply because of
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his swashbuckling ways of doing
things. He's getting on with it.
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This series tells the rise and fall,
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and rise again,
of the Murdoch dynasty.
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What a story! What a story!
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I mean, God, you know?
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Let's go!
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Thank you to my
very good friend,
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Rupert Murdoch. There's only one
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Rupert that we know.
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BEEPING
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My name is Les Hinton.
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I worked for Rupert Murdoch
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for 52 years, from 1959.
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Rupert has these management
conferences every few years...
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..but this was an early one...
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..and we were having it
in Hayman Island,
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which was an island at that time
which the company owned.
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It's an idyllic tropical island.
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Beautiful place.
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Rupert said,
"Well, let's take over the island."
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What are you hoping to get
out of this conference?
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I guess we're going to, erm,
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er, get a good understanding of
where the company's heading for.
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Looking forward to it. Ha!
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Hoping to spend three days,
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meet all my colleagues.
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All the divisions are powerhouses.
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I think that Fox is, uh,
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an important cog in the wheel.
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So, what future direction do you
see for the News Corporation?
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A very bright one. OK.
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Thank you very much.
It's a pleasure.
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In 1995, there are
a number of things
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coming to a head in
the Murdoch empire.
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He's about to turn 65 -
retirement age,
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so the question of who will
take over is coming into focus.
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Hello again. How are you?
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He wants to pass his empire on
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to one of his children.
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Family has always been very
important to Rupert Murdoch,
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particularly from the point of view
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of forming a dynasty.
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He had always wanted
at least one of his children
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to take over from him.
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And the three candidates
are all on Hayman Island.
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His daughter, Elisabeth...
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..and his sons, Lachlan and James.
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He used to like to play them off
against each other,
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to see how they would survive.
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I've met all the kids.
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Elisabeth is
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the child that Rupert
has told people
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is the most like him.
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Elisabeth comes across as clever,
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thoughtful, and she's complimentary
about her father.
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I think he gave all of us, erm,
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a sense of braveness.
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Erm, if you work hard
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and you take risks,
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you're actually OK.
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Lachlan is someone who wants
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his father's approval. He spent
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a lot of time modelling himself
after his father.
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He was known as the Prince.
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Lachlan has a confident,
easy-going air,
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and if he's in a battle
with his siblings,
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he seems to be enjoying it.
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We love getting in debates
and we hate, you know...
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And it gets to a point where,
sometimes, you'll have... Well,
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family members will have dinner
with people and they will, er,
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if no-one's really talking about
much, or no-one...
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no-one is enjoying a debate,
we'll start taking positions
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against each other
we don't really believe in,
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but we just want to, you know,
cause some, er, some excitement.
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And then, there's James,
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the black sheep of the family.
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He's dropped out of Harvard
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and invested in rap music.
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He had piercings and tattoos.
He was a bit of a rebel.
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I was then 28,
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and Lachlan and James were both
in their sort of mid-20s.
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I got out to Australia...
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..and we went out one night,
we were having dinner,
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and then we ended up
playing snooker at a...
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in a snooker room until about
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four or five in the morning
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and had lots to drink. And I thought
they were fantastic, the sons.
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I mean, James told me that he'd been
running this sort of
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rap record label and it got lively
in negotiations with
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some of these rappers and, you know,
a lot of them would be armed,
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and that James at one stage had
had a gun under his desk,
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just in case. And I think he said,
"Just don't tell Dad that".
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But before Rupert can
think about succession,
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he has a more pressing problem.
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He's not getting on with the
British Prime Minister, John Major,
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and the Major government
is now threatening
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to regulate his business empire.
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Why have you come
halfway around the world
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to talk to Rupert Murdoch
and his men?
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Well, it's important, obviously,
because this is a major conference
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of one of the largest media outlets
in the world. I think it's important
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the Labour Party
makes the case as to why,
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in a world of very great change,
we are the best people
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to handle that change.
OK, thank you. OK.
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Thank you very much.
Thank you very much. Thanks.
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Thank you.
Nice to meet you. Bye-bye.
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The Hayman Island conference
was a very...
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quite a controversial moment for us.
You know, we had people in our own
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team who were saying, look, don't
do this, you shouldn't do this.
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But I think Tony and I were
immediately, let's do it.
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Paul Keating,
the Australian Prime Minister,
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had some really good advice about
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how to deal with him.
He said, "Listen,
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"two things you need to know
about Murdoch.
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"He's a really hard bastard,"
he said, "and the only way
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"to deal with him is to be
a really hard bastard.
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"Cos if not, he'll have no
respect for you at all."
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And he said, "The second thing you
have to understand about Rupert,"
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he says, "in his orbit, in his world
view, the priorities are as follows:
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"Number one, Rupert Murdoch.
Number two, Rupert Murdoch.
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"Number three, Rupert Murdoch.
Number four, Rupert Murdoch.
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"That is it." You know?
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"It's all about him and
his business interests."
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It's said that
what drives Rupert Murdoch
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can be found in his childhood.
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His father had
a small newspaper empire,
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but he died prematurely, before
he could hand it over to his son.
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The trustees split up the business,
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leaving Rupert feeling
robbed of his birthright.
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He inherited just one newspaper
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but, from there, he built.
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A lot of his impetus came from
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the idea that he was going to
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win back those newspapers
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and show the world
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what could be achieved.
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Rupert believes that it's necessary
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to have all forms of media
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at your beck and call.
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Buy a populist newspaper...
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..and then branch out
and get a serious paper...
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..and then expand into TV.
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And it gave him immense power.
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Next, he wants to conquer
the British market,
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and he uses the same plan,
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starting with the tabloids,
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the News of the World and The Sun.
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Rupert saw newspapers
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as a political weapon.
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Next, he tries to buy The Times
and The Sunday Times...
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..but that's a problem.
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There are rules in Britain
about how much of
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any industry one person can own.
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But Prime Minister Thatcher
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and Murdoch are politically aligned.
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She lets him buy the broadsheets,
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and then take a large part of
satellite network BSkyB...
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..and his papers back
Thatcher's government
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all the way, destroying
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every Labour
Leader of the Opposition.
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Now Blair's trip to Hayman Island
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sends shock waves through
the Labour Party.
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"What the hell are you
going there for, Tony?
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Surely it's not a suntan?!
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No, Murdoch is not to be trusted."
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But then, I knew what his answer
was. You have to...
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make sure they're not anti-Labour.
And I couldn't dispute that,
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I just don't like the price
that comes with it.
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Blair makes his pitch
for Murdoch's support.
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I was sitting in the audience
for it. He turned it on
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fantastically for that audience.
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It was a brilliantly
articulated speech,
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it was passionate, it was detailed.
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I know and, er, Rupert Murdoch
made a reference to this,
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relations sometimes
between News Corp press
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and the British Labour Party
have not always been,
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let us say, what they might be,
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but there have been
changes on both sides
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and the past should be behind us.
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Neither of us are in the business
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of trading policy
or editorial support,
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but what I want is for you to know
where we are coming from.
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And Murdoch said something like,
you know, he says,
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"We're probably going to end up like
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"two porcupines making love,
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"very slowly and very carefully."
I thought,
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a bit fucking weird!
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Our policy is to be within Europe,
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fighting for British interests,
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not to follow the policy
that he would
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and surrender British interests.
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Hear, hear! Why can he not
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stand at that dispatch box,
as Prime Minister,
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and say that their views are wrong?
Because if he carries on...
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You said, "I can imagine myself
supporting Tony Blair."
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Are you going to support him?
Well, we'll have to find out
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what the difference is between
Mr Blair and Mr Major,
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before we make that decision.
Are you preparing...? Right now,
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from this distance,
it's rather confusing.
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Just as he hasn't made up his mind
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as to who to support
as Prime Minister,
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he's also still deciding
which of his children
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should take over his business.
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Let's go!
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For 29 years,
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Rupert has been married to Anna.
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I find Rupert a very gentle man.
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He's very compatible.
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He's a generous man.
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Er, he's also highly idealistic,
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which I think is something that
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most people don't understand.
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And it's their eldest
daughter, Elisabeth,
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who seems to have got
what it takes to succeed him.
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What? You're on Candid Camera.
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Oh, shut up!
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She's fast-tracked to
the top of BSkyB Television.
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Elisabeth really is such
an interesting and kind of humble,
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erm, smart executive.
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When I profiled her,
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I thought she was the real deal.
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She spotted shows in England
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and said to her father, "You've
got to put this on in America."
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And she made him a lot of money.
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You could argue, in some ways,
Elisabeth was the favourite.
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She would be the natural person
to succeed Rupert Murdoch.
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As children of the founder,
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we care passionately about
the future of the company
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and very responsible for
the future of the company...
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..but in terms of executive
succession, you know,
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that's up to the board.
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And having met with Blair...
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..now Murdoch takes his daughter,
Elisabeth, to Number Ten
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to see what the Prime Minister
has to offer.
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JOHN MAJOR: I did invite him to
dinner. We had a dinner
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in February, 1997.
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Er, this was a private discussion.
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There was nobody else there except
my wife and Elisabeth Murdoch.
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HE CLEARS THROAT
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Raise your hand
and read from the card.
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I swear by Almighty God
that the evidence I shall give
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shall be the truth, the whole truth,
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and nothing but the truth.
Thank you.
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Mr Murdoch said that
he really didn't like
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our European policies.
This was no surprise to me
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that he didn't like
our European policies,
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and he wished me to change
our European policies.
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If we couldn't change our European
policies, his papers could not,
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and would not, support
the Conservative government.
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My feeling - and he did not
say this - my feeling was that
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what he was edging towards
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was a referendum on
leaving the European Union.
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It is not very often someone
sits in front of a Prime Minister
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and says to a Prime Minister,
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I would like you to
change your policy,
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and if you don't change your policy,
my organisation cannot support you.
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People may often think that,
they may often react,
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but it is not often that point
is actually directly put to
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a Prime Minister in that fashion.
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Erm, there was no question of me
changing our policies.
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Blair wanted to meet privately
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with Rupert, so they came up
to my place, in Hampstead.
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So, there were six of us - Rupert,
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his wife, Anna, Cherie Blair, Tony
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and my wife at the time and myself.
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I remember the skill of Tony
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when issues such as...
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the European issues like
the currency came up, how cleverly
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Tony was able to just
guide and change the subject.
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When they left,
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Rupert said,
"I like him. I like him.
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"Cherie's a bit strange,"
he said, "but I like him."
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Good morning.
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I'd like to formally confirm
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that I've seen Her Majesty The Queen
this morning
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and sought her permission for
a dissolution of Parliament
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and a general election on May 1st.
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The Sun newspaper, which claims
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it helped swing victory
for the Conservatives
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five years ago, says it's now
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backing Tony Blair for Number Ten.
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The move's being announced
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on the front page tomorrow.
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During the campaign, the Editor
of The Sun is on holiday,
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so Deputy Editor Neil Wallis
is in charge.
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I edit my first paper,
but there was a...
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a sort of fairly standard page one
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about the election, and as soon as
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I set foot inside my office,
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Mr Murdoch's, er, comes
on the phone and said,
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"Hated your paper this morning.
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"You've got this all wrong.
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"I'm coming down now." Click!
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Two or three minutes later,
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my door opens,
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Rupert comes up and says,
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"You're getting this wrong.
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"You've got this totally wrong.
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"We are not just backing Tony Blair,
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"but we are going to back
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"the Labour Party and everything
he does in this campaign 200%!"
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He said,
"And you've got to get that right!"
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The power of owning
a tabloid newspaper
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is that you can reveal
people's secrets,
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their sex lives, on the front page.
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It was, listen, it's fair game.
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We're going to target Tory MPs.
And I did two of them.
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The News of the World was like
having a division of the SS
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at your beck and call,
and it could be sent into action
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and it would execute your orders
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to the fucking full stop.
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Everyone's life would get destroyed,
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and whatever you asked to be
delivered would be delivered.
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You had to break the law,
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you con people, you lied to...
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almost to everyone you came across
to do with the story.
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Rupert Murdoch.
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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
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When you see that somebody's life
has been stomped on
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and their prospects ruined
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and their family dragged through
the mire...
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Well, you very seldom find that on
The Sun. You do find occasionally...
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LAUGHTER
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No, no, you find the big news
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covered brilliantly.
We don't believe that people
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who set themselves up
in positions of privilege,
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or as public figures,
or as public role models,
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and either make money from
that or get power from that,
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we believe they should be looked at.
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We're living in a democracy now
and we want to judge...
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Our readers... Have this... ..and
your viewers want to judge people
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by what sort of character they have,
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who are setting themselves up
as fit to lead the world.
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Meanwhile, inside the newsroom of
the News of the World,
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a young Deputy Editor
is starting to make her way
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within the organisation,
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so effectively that she will
go on to change the power dynamic
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inside the Murdoch family itself.
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I was instantly really impressed.
She was a real firebrand.
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Unbelievably hard working,
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really ambitious, really driven
and really talented.
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One of the most talented journalists
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I've ever worked with in my life,
and one of the best.
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But a classic Rupert
executive, in a way,
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or the ones that he really likes.
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Funny, sharp, ferociously loyal,
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very driven and wants to win.
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Rebekah is an extraordinary person.
She is probably
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the most manipulative person
that I've come across.
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She's brilliantly flirtatious
with men
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and she's brilliantly flirtatious
with women.
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Everybody thinks that Rebekah
is their special friend.
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Well, that's everybody who IS
anybody, everybody who has power.
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I think a lot of people who
worked closely with Rebekah
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say that, from an early stage, she
set out to cultivate Rupert Murdoch.
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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
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Don't wake up on May 2nd
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to the same old Tories back again!
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In the middle of the election
campaign, The Sun newspaper
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asks for an article from Tony Blair.
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Then, as now,
Europe was a huge issue,
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so I asked for a piece,
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a first-person piece
from Tony Blair,
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saying what their
cut-and-dried position was.
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Then the piece arrived, and it was
sort of a piece of PR flimflam
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that actually said nothing.
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And I said, "I'm not running this,
Alastair, because
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"it's just saying nothing."
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But I said,
"For this to be coherent,
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"for this to have an impact...
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"..this needs to say you will not go
into the euro without a referendum."
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And I duly got a piece - under
Tony Blair's name - committing them
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to a referendum on the euro,
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if it was ever considered
that they would go into it.
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The price of Rupert Murdoch's
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support for Tony Blair
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was that Blair promised he would not
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take us into the European currency
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without first having a referendum.
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And if Rupert Murdoch
had not done that,
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we would have joined
the euro in 1999
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and I doubt Brexit
would have happened.
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So, I think when we look at the long
history of Britain's relationship
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with the European project that
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led ultimately to the Brexit vote,
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I think that was a decisive
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intervention from Rupert Murdoch.
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Good. To be honest with you,
I did ask him whether he wanted me
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to do this and if he'd said no,
I wouldn't have done it,
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but he said, yes, do it.
And I think historically,
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some of this stuff
is really important.
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MUSIC: Things Can Only Get Better
by D:Ream
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# Teach you now that things
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# Can only get better
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# Can only get, can only get
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# They get on from here
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# You know, I know that
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# Things can only get better
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# I...
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# Sometimes lose myself in me
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# I lose track of time
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# And I can't see
the woods for the trees
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# You set them alight
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# Burning the bridges as you go
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# I'm too weak to fight you
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# I got my personal health... #
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In 1997,
Tony Blair sweeps to victory,
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but for many in the Labour Party,
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the support he got from
Rupert Murdoch is hard to bear.
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ALASTAIR CAMPBELL: After we've
been to the Hayman Island...
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..Neil and I ended up having
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probably the most vicious
argument we've ever had.
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When I really kind of
pushed him on, you know,
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"What is this all about?",
when it came down to it,
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I think it was really
about the fact that we'd,
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in his eyes, been courting Murdoch.
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Somebody that had been so kind of
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vile and vicious
and venomous about him.
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And I said to him,
"Look, we didn't give him anything."
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And he said, "Yeah, but you will.
Yeah, but you will."
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You'll win a bit of support from...
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I think his phrase was
"a few racist bastards",
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and then as soon as they turn,
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they'll turn and then, you know,
they'll try and kill you.
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CHEERING
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That is the sort of
dance with the devil
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that some of the Labour Party
would worry about.
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Thank you very much!
I guess the way to think of it
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is like you've got a wild dog
in the corner of the room
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and it's sort of there the whole
time, and you're aware of it,
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and you just want to keep it quiet.
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That's kind of,
that's how I thought of it.
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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
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Thank you!
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Well...
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..a new dawn has broken, has it not?
CHEERING
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Do I think that Tony Blair owes
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Rupert Murdoch that victory?
I do, really.
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What we did was to say to the
British public, this is who he is,
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this is what he can be.
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Three million newspapers a day
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is ten million adults
reading something every day.
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But again, don't forget, though,
the country was ready for a change,
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and that's what Rupert spotted.
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We have been elected as New Labour
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and we will govern as New Labour.
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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
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I did the profile of Murdoch
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for The New Yorker.
486
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,840
I spent, you know,
an enormous amount of time with him.
487
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:33,560
He opened up his kingdom to me
488
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:35,760
and his family, and...
489
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,680
he cooperated, and I was grateful.
490
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,200
And you go into his,
his office was all white,
491
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:51,120
the walls were white,
the couches were white, er,
492
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,880
and everything was quiet.
It was very peaceful.
493
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,160
And you looked at him,
he had white hair,
494
00:34:58,160 --> 00:34:59,760
but if you looked at his sleeves
495
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:01,120
rolled up and you looked at
496
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:02,840
the hair on his arms,
497
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,680
they were black, it wasn't white.
498
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:09,560
And I remember looking at him,
thinking, there's a fox there,
499
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:13,480
you know, it's...
These white walls and white couches
500
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,880
and white hair are a deception.
501
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,600
There's really a fox in that body.
502
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,320
Very cunning.
503
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,840
Murdoch has always created this...
504
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,240
this sense of family first.
505
00:35:31,240 --> 00:35:33,120
I love my kids, I want all my kids
506
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,480
to work with me at the company.
507
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,440
It's always been a dream of his.
508
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,560
Lachlan is in Australia,
running - amongst other things -
509
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,360
the newspapers that Rupert felt
510
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,720
he should have inherited
from his father
511
00:35:49,720 --> 00:35:52,040
and has now bought back.
512
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,400
And Rupert has bought his son
James' rap record label...
513
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,880
..and given him a job at
the company in New York.
514
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,640
It's a... It's a double-edged sword,
515
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:23,800
that level of affection and control
516
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,160
that Rupert Murdoch exerts
over his children. You know,
517
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,280
he alternately
rewards and punishes them.
518
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,760
But when Rupert Murdoch
helps his children,
519
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:38,080
it both sort of helps them, but it
hamstrings them at the same time.
520
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,160
They can never really be
their own people.
521
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,840
My impressions were that Lachlan has
522
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,160
a charming personality
that James lacks.
523
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:53,600
James has more brainpower
than Lachlan,
524
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,760
but Lachlan's not a dope.
525
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,720
Elisabeth has both charm and brains.
526
00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:03,320
Elisabeth has been given a promotion
527
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:07,600
at satellite TV network
BSkyB - the company
528
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,280
some say Rupert cares most about.
529
00:37:11,720 --> 00:37:16,240
I had always heard that she would be
the natural person to run...
530
00:37:16,240 --> 00:37:18,160
to succeed Rupert Murdoch.
531
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,160
Then Elisabeth falls in love
532
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:31,480
with PR advisor and New Labour
supporter Matthew Freud...
533
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,240
..great-grandson of Sigmund Freud...
534
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:42,480
..and a man who has serious
reservations about her father.
535
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,000
I do remember sitting in the kitchen
536
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,240
and Matthew was making sausages -
he loved to cook -
537
00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:57,600
but I remember thinking
how immense this kitchen is.
538
00:37:59,720 --> 00:38:02,560
Matthew was more dominant a figure.
539
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,520
I was stunned at how freely
540
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,600
he discussed Murdoch
541
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,400
in a negative way,
and it was quite blunt.
542
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,760
The relationship with Matthew was
driving her away from her family
543
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,320
and making her family very unhappy.
544
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,400
Murdoch was convinced that Matthew
was like a fifth column.
545
00:38:29,720 --> 00:38:31,280
CHILDREN CHEER
546
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,880
Not long after
New Labour's election victory,
547
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,120
politics, celebrity
548
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,200
and the Murdoch empire
are all connecting.
549
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,920
Rebekah is going out with
Britain's biggest
550
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,760
soap star and New Labour
supporter Ross Kemp.
551
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,440
The extent
and the depth of involvement of
552
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,920
News International, on the one hand,
553
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,800
and the British Government,
on the other,
554
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,560
is unprecedented.
This just wasn't Rupert Murdoch,
555
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,320
this was all of his editors,
556
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,400
all the senior executives,
557
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,440
and they were influential on policy
558
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,120
and they were influential in the
papers. It was a two-way street.
559
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,520
I would go and see Tony Blair
560
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:27,160
quite often, er,
and would have an hour or so
561
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,720
private meeting in his office.
562
00:39:29,720 --> 00:39:32,280
And what I got to realise
when I was editing The Sun
563
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,000
is that the words that
I would use in leaders
564
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,600
were often reflected in things
that Downing Street said.
565
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:44,840
It was unprecedented. This was
almost incestuous. It was almost
566
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:49,480
the line between Church and State -
if I can put it -
567
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,680
between Press and State
568
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,800
became so blurred that,
at one stage,
569
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,040
it was quite hard to tell
which was which.
570
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,640
Rebekah Wade, rises to be
571
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,120
Editor of the News of the World
572
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,960
and really a phenomenal figure,
573
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:14,080
linking the British media
and political class.
574
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,400
And she becomes damn nearly
575
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,840
an official member of the
Government, and in receipt of
576
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,600
all kinds of brilliant stories about
what the Government is going to do.
577
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:26,200
She's close with
578
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:27,760
Alastair Campbell...
579
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,480
..and she's also good friends
580
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,560
with Gordon Brown's wife, Sarah...
581
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,280
..and she has access to
the Prime Minister.
582
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:51,120
Rebekah had Tony Blair as a best
friend. That's the Prime Minister.
583
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:54,400
Pretty good for a journalist.
584
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,320
Quite extraordinary.
585
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,880
Read from the card, please.
586
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:17,520
I swear by Almighty God
587
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,280
that the evidence I shall give
shall be the truth, the whole truth
588
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:21,920
and nothing but the truth.
Thank you.
589
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:31,800
Look, the... In the relationship
between senior media people
590
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:35,320
and senior politicians,
that relationship is inevitably
591
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,880
going to involve
a close interaction,
592
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:39,880
and I think that has
always been the case
593
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,200
and it's going to go on being
the case.
594
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,720
And what is more, erm,
595
00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:49,400
that interaction will always
involve a certain tension.
596
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:56,120
The power that is exercised by
a certain part of the media, erm,
597
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,280
and the use of newspapers
particularly as instruments
598
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:03,400
of political power
then creates a situation in which
599
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:08,160
that relationship is not
merely sensible, but essential,
600
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,680
and where I think that relationship
601
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:14,480
can be - and sometimes is -
unhealthy. So, what...
602
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,560
in a sense happens
is not necessarily
603
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:22,200
you become particularly close,
but the relationship is one in which
604
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,000
you feel this...
605
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,680
this, you know, pretty intense power
606
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,600
and the need to try
and deal with that.
607
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,120
And I'm just being open
about that, erm...
608
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:37,360
..and open about the fact,
frankly, that I decided...
609
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:42,160
as a political leader, erm,
and this was a strategic decision,
610
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,880
that I was going to manage that
and not confront it.
611
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,000
Now, we can get on to whether
that was right or wrong
612
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,080
at a later stage,
but that was the decision I took.
613
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,640
Media mogul Rupert Murdoch
has just completed
614
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,320
one of the biggest and toughest
deals of his career -
615
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,680
the dissolution of his
31-year marriage to Anna Murdoch.
616
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,680
He divorces Anna.
617
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,880
I mean, I was knocked.
It was the biggest surprise
618
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,160
of all the surprises
I've had about Murdoch,
619
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:36,240
because I thought he was so
dependant and so in love with Anna
620
00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:38,720
and, yet, he turned on her. But...
621
00:43:38,720 --> 00:43:40,840
I mean, I was stunned.
622
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,440
When his children are asked
about it, they put on a brave face
623
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,200
and seem supportive of their father.
624
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,000
In some sense, we're...
625
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,040
we're quite honestly
very surprised by it
626
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,600
but, at the same time, we...
627
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,680
we had our own relationships and...
628
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,040
and understood that sometimes, um,
629
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:04,880
the world isn't perfect
630
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,720
and that people can grow apart.
631
00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:11,240
Lachlan, James, they were not happy.
They're very close to their mother.
632
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:19,240
Rupert has fallen for a woman
37 years his junior,
633
00:44:19,240 --> 00:44:23,640
who had been working as an intern
in his Hong Kong office,
634
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:25,000
Wendi Deng.
635
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,080
She was much younger than him,
636
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:31,680
much younger than me,
637
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,480
but ambitious, clever,
638
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,560
came from a sort of working-class,
639
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,560
communist Chinese family.
640
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:41,920
She came over to America, worked in
641
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:43,760
a Chinese restaurant-kitchen,
642
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:44,920
but ended up getting to
643
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:46,080
one of the big schools.
644
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,200
But she was a very, erm,
very ambitious woman.
645
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,720
His daughter, Elisabeth,
seems taken aback,
646
00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:06,760
but is supportive of her father.
647
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,080
Wendi makes Dad very happy,
648
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,800
um, and she's delightful.
649
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,440
And, um, it's...
650
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,480
It's something I couldn't have
foreseen but, you know,
651
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,920
Dad seems extremely happy
and Wendi seems extremely happy,
652
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,160
and you can't begrudge them
their happiness.
653
00:45:55,360 --> 00:46:01,280
# Pie Jesu
654
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,040
# Pie Jesu... #
655
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,600
I remember, erm,
656
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,480
being told that Rupert Murdoch
had asked me to sing at
657
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:14,160
his wedding to Wendi Deng and it
would take place on his yacht.
658
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:19,200
# ..Pie Jesu... #
659
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,280
I had been told by my management
660
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:25,040
that he had specifically
asked for me to sing Pie Jesu.
661
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,960
And when I raised to my management
the point that,
662
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:32,520
erm, Pie Jesu was actually a
requiem, which is a funeral song,
663
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,440
and he said he didn't care
whether it was a funeral song.
664
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,880
He liked that song and he wanted me
to sing it, which I did.
665
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:42,400
# ..Pie Jesu
666
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,400
# Pie Jesu... #
667
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:48,800
And I remember being told that,
you know,
668
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,880
the offer of money,
or the offer of the favour,
669
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,440
in order to basically get
good press.
670
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:59,600
# ..Pie Jesu... #
671
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,880
And I also remember
being 13 and thinking,
672
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:07,400
why on Earth would anybody
673
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,840
take a favour over £100,000?
674
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:15,640
PIE JESU CONTINUES
675
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:19,720
But being advised by management
and by certain members of
676
00:47:19,720 --> 00:47:22,800
the record company to take
the latter option,
677
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,240
that he was
a very, very powerful man,
678
00:47:25,240 --> 00:47:27,720
I was in the early stages
of my career and could absolutely
679
00:47:27,720 --> 00:47:30,320
do with a favour of this magnitude.
680
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,040
And, yeah, I sang,
I sang at the ceremony.
681
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:46,520
We were on his boat
until two in the morning
682
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,160
and I'm getting off the boat
and he grabs hold of me and said,
683
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,800
"You're not going to hear from me
for a month." He said,
684
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,680
"I'm going to just spend time
with Wendi and I'm going to read."
685
00:47:54,680 --> 00:48:01,480
PIE JESU CONTINUES
686
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,160
Sunday evening,
687
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,600
phone goes at home
688
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:18,920
and it's Rupert.
689
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:22,480
20 minutes later,
I'm planning to take, erm,
690
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,840
six particular executives
691
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,160
to Italy, where he's
on honeymoon in a villa.
692
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,440
So, we spend four days there,
693
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,920
talking about
a whole range of issues.
694
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,880
Rupert's best friend
is the business.
695
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,240
That's his life's devotion.
696
00:48:40,240 --> 00:48:42,600
He never stopped working.
I don't think in his mind,
697
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,720
Rupert ever could distinguish
between being on duty and off duty.
698
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,440
And all thoughts of retirement
are off the table.
699
00:48:54,720 --> 00:48:57,200
Who will take over his empire?
700
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,160
Well, it's Rupert,
for the foreseeable future.
701
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:11,160
He lets the cameras film
his exercise regime.
702
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,560
The message seems to be that he is
703
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,600
as energetic and vigorous as ever.
704
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:26,240
Wendi was definitely dominant
in that relationship.
705
00:49:26,240 --> 00:49:30,680
She gained more and more influence
over him over time,
706
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,520
and it was a bomb inside the family.
707
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,920
There were rumours that James
708
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:45,640
and Lachlan had pulled together
information that they had
709
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:47,520
approached their father with.
710
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:54,480
I mean, they suspected
that she was a spy.
711
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,480
Soon, Wendi is pregnant,
712
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:06,520
and if any of this has caused
upheaval inside his family,
713
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,120
Rupert seems remarkably unconcerned.
714
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:12,720
He and Wendi are happy
to be filmed relaxing
715
00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:15,840
and calmly discussing their plans
for the new arrival.
716
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:19,440
I think I'll speak Chinese only.
717
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:20,840
He will speak English only.
718
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,560
So, the baby can speak two languages
719
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:25,800
quite easily when he that young.
720
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,720
That's the theory. Maybe it will
be no language, we'll see.
721
00:50:28,720 --> 00:50:31,280
Ah! Just be confused.
722
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,760
No, no, it should work well. Yeah.
723
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:37,800
You know, I think when
you're in love with someone,
724
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,440
you want to have children
with them. I...
725
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,720
It makes sense, I think.
726
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:48,680
I'm surprised but, erm, it's, er...
727
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:52,560
Yeah, I can't wait to welcome
the baby. You know, it's...
728
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:54,880
It'll be exciting.
729
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:56,640
While Elisabeth seems a little
730
00:50:56,640 --> 00:51:00,320
uncomfortable and bemused by it all,
731
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,160
Rupert is cheerfully helping Wendi
732
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,320
deal with the media spotlight.
733
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:08,480
We're both very excited. Yep.
734
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,240
You've got to look at the camera
now, like the interviewer. Ah.
735
00:51:11,240 --> 00:51:14,040
You've got to learn to perform.
OK! I'm not very good.
736
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:17,280
You'll be the perfect mother. Yeah!
737
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,960
They have two daughters,
738
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,440
Grace and Chloe.
739
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,040
Murdoch will go on to choose
740
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,800
interesting godparents for them.
741
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:37,920
In Grace's case,
742
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:39,600
it will be Tony Blair.
743
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,920
By 2002, the Blair government
744
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:55,640
and the Murdoch empire
are ever more intertwined.
745
00:51:57,240 --> 00:52:00,000
Murdoch had access to Blair
746
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:01,880
all the time. Whenever he wanted it.
747
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,520
He'd be given it private,
748
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:08,320
secret if he wanted,
public if he wanted. And it got
749
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:11,560
really bad at the time of
the Iraq War,
750
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:14,040
when the Murdoch press became the...
751
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:16,840
would pump out lie after lie -
752
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,920
I use the word totally
advisedly - about the, er,
753
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,000
the reasons for war.
754
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,080
Murdoch was the big cheerleader,
755
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:29,880
the biggest and most important
cheerleader for that.
756
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:37,120
In foreign policy in these days,
757
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:38,880
Murdoch was a hawk.
758
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:40,560
I think he saw it as
759
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:44,360
his job to keep Tony Blair's
feet to the fire
760
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,880
and to make sure that Britain stood
761
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:48,360
alongside America when
762
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:50,000
that invasion took place.
763
00:52:52,720 --> 00:52:55,800
The power of the Murdoch press
764
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:59,040
is in playing the role of the glue
765
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,560
between the US and the UK
766
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:03,320
administrations, between the Bush
767
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,080
White House and Tony Blair...
768
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,160
..so that they would look at what
769
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:10,760
we were saying in London,
770
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:14,360
and they would look at what
we were saying in New York
771
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:17,200
and Washington,
and it was always the same thing.
772
00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:20,800
Morning, Mr Murdoch!
773
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:22,840
Murdoch would call him regularly,
774
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:24,880
he would give him
the latest information
775
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,480
he had gleaned from Washington
and the White House.
776
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,640
He, in turn, would find out
what Mr Blair was about,
777
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:32,520
will the Labour Party be solid?
778
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,320
I think it's now been established
779
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,680
that in the week before
the land war began,
780
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:43,920
the Prime Minister spoke to
Rupert Murdoch almost as much as
781
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,960
he spoke to his Foreign Secretary
or his Defence Secretary.
782
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:49,600
That's influence.
783
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:52,280
And on the eve of war,
784
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:54,600
Murdoch is one of
the last people
785
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:56,040
Blair speaks to...
786
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,080
TONY BLAIR: Tonight,
British servicemen and women
787
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:02,920
are engaged from
air, land and sea.
788
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,400
Their mission -
to remove Saddam Hussein
789
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,200
from power and disarm Iraq
790
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,200
of its weapons of
mass destruction.
791
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,440
..and 160 of Murdoch's
792
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:16,160
newspaper editors around the world
793
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:17,520
support the war.
794
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:26,480
EXPLOSIONS
795
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,080
But just as Murdoch is approaching
796
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:56,160
the peak of his powers
and influence,
797
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:57,880
there's a problem...
798
00:54:57,880 --> 00:54:59,400
Good morning...
799
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,920
..as Rebekah Wade
and her colleague, Andy Coulson,
800
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:06,720
give what should be routine evidence
to a Commons Select Committee.
801
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:12,680
Do either of your newspapers
ever use private detectives,
802
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:15,160
ever bug or pay the police?
803
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:18,040
We have paid the police, erm,
for information in the past,
804
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:21,560
and it's been...
And will you do it in the future?
805
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:24,680
It depends on... We operate within
the code and within the law,
806
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:27,840
and if there's a clear public
interest, then the same holds for
807
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:30,720
private detectives, subterfuge,
video bags, whatever you want to
808
00:55:30,720 --> 00:55:33,560
talk about. It's illegal for police
officers to receive payments.
809
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:36,680
No, no, we don't...
As I said, within the law.
810
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:38,720
OK, thanks, Chris,
you've got your answer.
811
00:55:38,720 --> 00:55:41,520
Thanks very much for
the evidence and the courtesy
812
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:43,960
with which you have given
your responses.
813
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,400
Thank you very much. Thank you.
814
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,880
In the eyes of anybody watching,
815
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:52,040
that's a confession of
paying bribes.
816
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:54,840
And the amazing thing about that
is that nothing happened.
817
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:57,160
Er, there should have been
a police inquiry
818
00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:00,800
to find out who was receiving
these bribes. That didn't happen.
819
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:06,040
The way the tabloids had behaved
820
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:09,040
was like they thought
they were above the law,
821
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,560
that they could do what they want.
822
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:17,360
Coercion,
823
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:20,240
bullying, blackmail,
824
00:56:20,240 --> 00:56:23,480
fraud, deception.
825
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:27,320
Er, illegality, in terms of unlawful
826
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:30,120
news gathering, you know,
private detectives.
827
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:33,080
Being able to get people's
phone bills, bank accounts,
828
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:37,520
medical records, ex-directory
numbers, travel itineraries.
829
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:41,840
All of these things were available
830
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,480
and readily used,
and I used many of them.
831
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,040
You can see there's a potential
there for a kind of blackmail,
832
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:53,080
isn't there? The Editor
of the News of the World
833
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:58,240
sits down for lunch with
a senior politician and...
834
00:56:58,240 --> 00:57:01,440
unspoken between them is the fact
835
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:04,240
that the Editor of
the News of the World knows
836
00:57:04,240 --> 00:57:07,360
a certain amount of information
about that politician.
837
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,760
Nobody will mention it,
but it's there.
838
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:14,640
And it's going to shape
the way that conversation goes
839
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:16,840
and the kind of dealings
which are going to go on
840
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:19,480
between those two individuals.
841
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:22,760
I think it's very frightening.
842
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:26,200
It's quite scary
for the politicians,
843
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:29,000
it's very scary for democracies,
cos there's...
844
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,400
they have a hold over
the politicians.
845
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:49,720
Can we just have it down
for a bit now, OK?
846
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:51,840
If you don't film now,
just for a bit? Thank you.
847
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:53,880
Yeah, no. No, no.
No filming, just for a bit.
848
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,600
It's exciting being a reporter
because people do come out of
849
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:09,400
a clear blue sky
and tell you amazing things!
850
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:13,920
Well, Murdoch's a proper danger to
851
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:17,360
liberal democracies,
if liberal democracy is your thing.
852
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,600
They all develop this wonderful
chorus of attacks,
853
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:23,520
and they were aiming it all
at Rupert, above all.
854
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:25,440
Delighted with that judgment.
855
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:28,520
Their Nazi lie
was completely invented.
856
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,520
We've got to take responsibility
for the decisions that we've taken.
857
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:35,320
My answer is yes.
858
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:36,760
I just thought, this is war.
859
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,360
This story was always about power...
860
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:42,280
I can't say any more. There's a lot
I'd like to say, but I just can't.
861
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:45,960
..and the fear that people have
of that power.
862
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:49,120
Gentlemen, clear away.
Otherwise, arrests will take place.
863
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:51,880
Mr Murdoch, you must be
the first Mafia boss in history
864
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:54,440
who didn't know he was running
a criminal enterprise.
865
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:57,120
Mr Watson, please.
I think that's inappropriate.
866
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:00,080
That's when it went nuclear.
867
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:03,120
He just had his head in his hands.
868
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:06,840
It was coming at him from all sides.
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