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What a difference a decade makes.
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Ten years ago,
New York was nearly flat broke
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and very close to not being able to pay
its bills and loans.
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Well, now the city is prospering.
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The $42 million, 38-story Harley Hotel
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is being built
by developer Harry Helmsley on 42nd.
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American Telephone and Telegraph
is putting up a skyscraper
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at 55th and Madison.
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Hyatt has broken ground for a hotel
on the side of the old Commodore.
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In the 1980s, there were buildings
going up all across Manhattan.
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When all those projects are completed,
city officials glowing predict
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that it'll mean an extra 20,000 jobs
here in Manhattan.
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What's happened is phenomenal.
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I've never seen anything
to the extent I have in New York.
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Now, from a real estate standpoint,
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it's probably become
the hottest city in the world.
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Every construction project
is worth millions and millions of dollars.
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We were learning the Mob exploited that.
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In the next year, three huge skyscrapers
will be completed on a single block.
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Topping out ceremonies were held
at one of them today, the Trump Tower.
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If you're running
a construction company,
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you've gotta deal with the Mob.
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It was a huge, huge racket,
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terrifying people into doing
what the Mob wanted them to do.
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A work foreman was beaten to death
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and thrown out of a 56-floor window.
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Make you nervous at all,
to know that one guy's dead,
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- another's in the hospital from this job?
- It's all in a day's work.
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The game is a tough one.
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The stakes are high. The money is big.
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And murder is not out of the question
for those who get in the way.
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A new Chevrolet Corvette,
like never before.
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A Corvette superb and authentic...
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In the '80s,
when all this is going on,
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we started buying
apartments and property.
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And I made all my guys
buy brand new Corvettes.
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Then they started nicknaming me
"Johnny Vets."
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First computer-activated
manual transmission.
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We were like a bunch of girls
going on a shopping spree.
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We would go to David Nadler
and buy two dozen shirts at a time,
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monogram shirts with our initials on it,
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$2,000 suits,
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shoes that were 1,000 a pop.
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The money that we spent
was ridiculous, on champagne...
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We would drink Cristal.
We drank Perrier-Jouët...
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in magnums.
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But the personal sacrifices,
while I'm drinking that champagne,
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and after I put that glass down,
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in two hours I'm gonna
put on a black outfit
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and, uh... go dig a grave somewhere
and kill somebody.
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Early this morning,
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a man walking his dog
found a body lying in the tall grass
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by the shore at Ferry Point Park.
That's in the Bronx.
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Police figured it might have been
a gangland rub out.
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He makes a deal with the guy in Brooklyn,
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59th and 3rd.
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What the fuck do you wanna do?
Thirty-two thousand...
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The job shows
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a potential extra of $750,000.
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We knew we were
onto something big with the Mob.
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But we weren't getting clear evidence
of what this conspiracy was all about.
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We just knew that we had a lot
of concrete companies
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interacting with a lot of Mob families.
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But we didn't know anything
about how it worked.
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The whole idea was to figure out
if the Commission,
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the bosses of all the families,
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was a part of the conspiracy.
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The Casa Storta restaurant
was a meeting place
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for the hierarchy of the Colombo family.
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We had the place bugged.
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One of the things we noticed
is Ralph Scopo,
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who's not a boss,
he's not a capo, he's not an underboss,
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he's just a soldier.
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He's at the table
when they're talking about
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these controversial conversations
over construction.
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I knew Ralph well. Ralph Scopo
was actually one of my father's guys.
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I liked him.
Early on, I called him Uncle Ralph.
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I grew up with him.
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He was only a soldier,
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but, you know, here's the thing.
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If you had a soldier
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that was making
a tremendous amount of money
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and had a lot of influence,
he could be a powerful guy too,
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because he had a lot of authority
in his own right,
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because of what
he meant to the family.
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Ralphie Scopo was that guy.
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We discovered Ralph Scopo
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was the President of the District Council
of the Cement and Concrete Workers Union.
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It was clear to us, at that point,
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that Ralph Scopo was a key player.
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And our surveillance shifted
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from the Casa Storta restaurant
to Ralph Scopo.
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He would go into his office.
He'd be in there for about an hour.
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And then, like clockwork,
he would go back to his car.
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The contractor would drive up,
get out of his car,
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jump in Ralphie's car,
and they would talk.
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Clearly, he did not trust his office.
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He was doing business in his car.
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So we get the microphones installed
in Ralph's two cars.
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You have to remember,
Ralph Scopo was the president
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of the Concrete Workers Union.
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So he controlled the laborers
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at every construction project in New York.
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Ralph made sure
he informed the contractors
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what the consequences were
if they stepped out of line.
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I reviewed a lot of the tapes
the day after.
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As we developed the Commission case,
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we realized that by controlling
the construction units,
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the Mafia controlled
the entire construction industry.
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The strike has halted
one and a half billion dollars
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in construction projects in the city.
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The walkout, which began yesterday,
continued today...
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The Mafia controlled unions
to make it impossible for you
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to function and make a profit
by going on strike.
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All of a sudden, you realize
it's better to pay these creeps off.
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Ralph Scopo terrified people
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into doing what the Mob wanted them to do.
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We had him on tape talking
to the construction company presidents,
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and reminding them,
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"You know that guy you read about
in the newspaper who was whacked?
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You know, that was us."
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And the message, not too subtle, was,
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"If you don't do
what I'm telling you to do,
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you could wind up like that guy
you just read about the paper."
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You know that one guy
fell down the stairs here
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and is in the hospital to this very day,
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and another guy was
thrown out a window on the 56th floor.
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That happened before my time.
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We had terrific tapes of Ralph Scopo,
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but we needed proof that the Commission,
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the ruling body of the Mob,
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was at the heart of this extortion.
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We had a squad working
each of the families.
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We'd have a meeting of the key agents
on the squad,
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and we would compare notes.
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The squad that was investigating
the Genovese family
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was getting great information
about construction
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at the Palma Boys Social Club,
where Fat Tony hung out.
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The Gambino squad
was getting their information
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from a bug they had on Paul Castellano.
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Tony "Ducks" Corallo,
he's the boss of the Lucchese family.
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His car's bugged.
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All of those were little pieces,
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little facets of the whole story.
And we started putting them together.
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What was that?
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Speak now
or forever hold your peace...
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One day, one of the contractors
was in the car with Ralph,
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and he was talking about
having a pretty decent sized job.
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He says, "Look I've got this job.
It's gonna be about a $1.5 million job."
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And Ralph says...
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The club was the key.
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In a very short three minute conversation,
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Ralph laid out the existence of the club.
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He says, "There's eight... companies
that participate in the club."
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Each of those companies
is connected with a Mob family.
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Anything over two million
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was gonna be allocated
to those eight companies,
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"and no one else could bid."
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It's fixed. It's fixed.
Everything is fixed from the beginning.
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Everybody knows who's allocated what job.
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Let's say its value
is really eight million.
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They would put in their bid
for ten million,
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and all the other companies will put in
a bid higher than the ten million,
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thereby guaranteeing
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that they would get
the job for ten million,
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when it really only had a value
of about eight million.
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So they were making a couple
of extra million dollars on a job.
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And so with all these
extra millions of dollars,
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it was going
into the pockets of Mob families
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that represented that company.
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But then we found out
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another incredibly important
piece of evidence.
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The contractors that interacted
with Ralph kicked back two percent
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to the Mob families to be divided up...
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two percent a job.
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And there's hundreds
of millions of dollars of construction
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underway at any given time.
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Stop, think about it.
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There are buildings going up
all across Manhattan.
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Many of these are buildings
that we all know. We all see.
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They're still there.
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And while they were being built,
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the Mob had its hand in,
collecting its two percent.
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[distorted speech overlaps
with sounds of machinery.
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Every concrete construction job
in Manhattan of over two million in value
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would pay the Mob.
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The concrete club showed up
in every conversation,
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whether it was in Fat Tony's social club,
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or Paul Castellano's wires,
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or Tony "Ducks" Corallo's wires.
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The Commission was always mentioned.
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The Commission was centrally involved
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in every big building
going up in Manhattan
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for years and years and years.
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I told you, I ain't playing around.
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We're literally talking
a billion-dollar operation.
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The deal was 400-plus.
You gotta put it behind you.
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How does the Bronx zoo sound?
Aqueduct Racetrack, Belmont, the Coliseum?
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The first part of the job
is 4.8 million...
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The concrete club has to have been
one of the most audacious schemes
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that the Mob ever pulled off.
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But we can't just win this trial
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by proving that there's something
called the "concrete club" alone.
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To prove a RICO case,
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we've gotta connect that Commission
to a series of other underlying crimes.
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So, to show that they're
utterly terrifying people,
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we thought that it would be great
if we could have something more violent,
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more gripping,
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more, you know, sort of really
grabbing your attention
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and grabbing the jury's attention.
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We were gonna prove a murder.
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The FBI were assigned
two agents to be the case agents.
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The idea was they would be the main point
of contact between the prosecutorial team
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and the FBI.
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One was Pat Marshall
and one was Charlotte Lang.
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When I got there,
the FBI was very male-dominated.
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I think it was 97 percent male.
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The supervisor said to me,
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"I didn't ask for you. I don't think women
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can work organized crime."
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He said, "You'll be the only woman
on the squad." And I was.
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And I thought this must be,
"Hi, welcome to New York!"
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But then the supervisor told me
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that he was going to assign me
to work with Pat.
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I would describe Pat Marshall as...
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the big brother that anybody
would want to have.
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Charlotte was a former
school teacher, very well-organized.
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She was my right-hand woman, my friend.
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What I couldn't figure out, she could.
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We work very, very well together.
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It was our responsibility,
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Charlotte's and mine,
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to prove the Commission
had authorized murder.
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So...
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how are we gonna prove it?
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There was a murder
we certainly had good reason to believe
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was a Commission-ordered hit:
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The famous murder of Carmine Galante.
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Carmine Galante was rubbed out today
as he sat in a Brooklyn luncheonette,
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a gangland execution
of a man believed to be
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the most important organized crime
figure in the country.
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Two other people in the luncheonette
died as well.
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Brian Ross has the gory details.
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Galante was having lunch
in the courtyard
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of an Italian restaurant in Brooklyn
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when five men entered
with automatic rifles and shotguns
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and opened fire.
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Galante and two other men
at his table were killed.
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Carmine Galante was a Sicilian mobster
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who rose to ultimately control
what was the Bonanno family.
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Now, there was a lot
of informant information
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that to kill a boss, you needed
the permission of the Commission.
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Galante was resented by other Mafia bosses
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because he received so much
attention and publicity,
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and because he had been too rough
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in his efforts to become the top man
in the American Mafia.
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When Carmine Galante was murdered
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at Joe and Mary's Restaurant
in '79 in Brooklyn,
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the other four heads of the family
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would've had to agree to that murder.
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We had to prove that the Commission,
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the other four Mob bosses,
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okayed the killing of Galante.
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I spent an afternoon with
the medical examiner in New York then,
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and he showed me the autopsy photos.
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Carmine Galante had 84
exit and entrance wounds in his body.
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Five people participated in that shooting.
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There was a lot of informant information
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that one of the shooters
was a guy named Anthony Indelicato.
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The problem is you can't use
informant information in court.
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So how do you prove the case?
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Bruno Indelicato,
real name Anthony Indelicato,
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was a soldier in the Bonanno family,
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who, shortly after the murder
of Carmine Galante,
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was elevated to the rank of captain.
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Bruno was a wild guy
known to be sort of a loose cannon,
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someone you would
look to for violent crime.
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When the car pulled away,
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there was a woman across the street
in an apartment
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who heard the shots,
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saw the car, and wrote down
the license plate number.
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She gave it to the police.
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The police, within a day or so,
found the car abandoned,
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and they took fingerprints
off the steering wheel,
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where the driver was,
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and also fingerprints off
the rear door handle in the back seat.
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Indelicato's fingerprints
were compared
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against the latent print
on the door handle.
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No match.
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It was run against everyone who could be
thought of as a possible suspect.
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There was no hits.
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With no fingerprint hit,
there wasn't anywhere else to go.
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Now, fast-forward to 1984,
we had the idea:
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Redo every piece
of the investigation, essentially.
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I don't believe the car
was around anymore.
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But that door handle,
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that metal door handle,
had been removed from the car
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and was still in police custody.
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We went to the evidence vault
to check it out.
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When you look at the door handle,
you realize,
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it's not your fingers that would touch
where the print is,
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but it's actually your palm.
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And so... that's when... it was realized
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that we need to start running
palm prints against these.
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Indelicato's palm print
was not in police custody.
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The fingerprint cards they had for him
didn't include his palm print.
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I had to look for Bruno.
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We were able to identify,
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I think through source information,
about this girlfriend.
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And she was expected at this clinic
on a particular day.
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We sat there all day waiting, hopefully,
for Bruno to show up with the girlfriend.
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Of course, they do show up
like three minutes before it's gonna close
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after sitting there all day.
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So we arrest Bruno.
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Instead of... just doing the fingerprints,
we did the whole hand.
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It's called a major case print.
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We had an FBI agent
that was an expert and could determine...
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did his fingerprints, palm prints match?
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I can still remember Pat...
We were sitting in the squad area
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and his phone rang.
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And he turned around and he said,
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- "It's Bruno's palm print."
- Bingo.
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One hundred percent match.
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He was one of the shooters.
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That was
very, very good evidence
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against Indelicato for murder.
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Now we needed to connect that up,
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to show the Commission had ordered it.
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It just so happened,
on the day of the murder,
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there was video surveillance
being done on a social club...
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in Little Italy,
a place called the Ravenite Social Club.
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What we had was somewhat unusual
on that tape.
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Approximately half an hour
after the murder,
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there is this incredible meeting.
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Indelicato and a couple of other people
show up.
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They are in a very energized state.
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The surveillance tape
at the Ravenite Social Club
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shows Indelicato wearing an open shirt,
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and then everybody congratulates
one another, hugging and kissing.
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So here you have a Bonanno member,
on the day that the boss is killed,
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going over and being congratulated
by the underboss of the Gambino family.
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Once you prove
that Indelicato was a shooter,
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the fact that he goes to the boss
of another family to be congratulated
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is very powerful evidence that in fact
the Commission did order the murder,
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as the rules required them to do.
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This was tremendous evidence.
We were getting very close.
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I knew what I would need
to indict Commission,
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and I became obsessive-compulsive
about it.
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I always felt like the pinnacle
of the case would be
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proof of a Commission meeting.
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That's what we needed.
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Nobody had ever taken
surveillance photographs
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of a Commission meeting before.
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It was May 15, 1984.
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I got a call in the morning
from my informant saying,
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"There's gonna be a Commission meeting."
I didn't believe him. This was unheard of.
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I said, "Yeah right."
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He goes, "No, all of the bosses
are gonna be there.
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They're gonna be talking about
this concrete club they had going."
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I said, "Alright, if I make a fool
of myself, it's your ass."
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The bosses of the crime families
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couldn't afford to get caught
meeting together.
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They would reconnoiter the area
looking for vehicles,
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00:26:24,457 --> 00:26:25,500
and if they did...
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00:26:26,251 --> 00:26:29,838
they would detect the surveillance team.
They would call it off.
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So the plan was, if the meeting
is gonna be at one o'clock,
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we're gonna set up at two o'clock.
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Don't have to get 'em going in.
We can get 'em coming out.
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I was sitting in the passenger's side
of the van I had rented.
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Andy was seated behind me.
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He had a 300 millimeter lens,
which he had on my shoulder.
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We sat there, an hour...
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two hours.
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Andy was starting to doubt they were
in there. I said, "They're in there."
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00:27:11,129 --> 00:27:13,423
And all of a sudden, we got 'em...
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Fat Tony Salerno,
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head of the Genovese family.
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00:27:22,641 --> 00:27:25,143
Andy was using my shoulder like a tripod,
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00:27:26,770 --> 00:27:28,438
and I didn't even wanna breathe.
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00:27:28,521 --> 00:27:30,357
I'm hearing the click, click, click…
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00:27:31,483 --> 00:27:33,151
Of Tony "Ducks" Corallo.
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I was afraid to even move.
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00:27:35,779 --> 00:27:37,489
He might get a blurry photograph.
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00:27:39,824 --> 00:27:41,076
Gennaro Langella,
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acting boss of the Colombo family,
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00:27:47,207 --> 00:27:50,085
and then Paul Castellano,
the boss of bosses.
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00:27:55,340 --> 00:27:57,258
They're coming out family by family.
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00:27:58,343 --> 00:27:59,511
This is historic.
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00:28:00,053 --> 00:28:03,098
This is a Commission meeting,
right in front of our eyes, unfolding.
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00:28:04,849 --> 00:28:07,852
They've got all these tapes,
but they don't have a meeting.
391
00:28:07,936 --> 00:28:09,270
This is a meeting.
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00:28:09,354 --> 00:28:12,357
This was the final thing they needed,
these photographs.
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00:28:28,915 --> 00:28:31,543
There came a point in time
where we had enough evidence
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00:28:31,626 --> 00:28:33,128
to prosecute all the bosses.
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00:28:41,636 --> 00:28:42,887
The decision was made,
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00:28:42,971 --> 00:28:45,724
that we would make the arrest
the following morning.
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00:28:51,020 --> 00:28:53,106
I was sitting in my office.
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00:28:53,189 --> 00:28:54,190
We get a call.
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00:28:56,401 --> 00:28:58,361
It was NBC News.
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00:28:58,445 --> 00:29:00,238
NBC News said they know
401
00:29:00,321 --> 00:29:01,781
that we are going to arrest
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00:29:01,865 --> 00:29:04,701
the bosses of all the Five Families
the next morning.
403
00:29:06,453 --> 00:29:09,330
So they're gonna announce that
on the evening news.
404
00:29:11,207 --> 00:29:12,834
So this was like six o'clock at night,
405
00:29:12,917 --> 00:29:15,628
and the evening news
was gonna be coming on any minute now.
406
00:29:15,712 --> 00:29:16,755
Ten seconds.
407
00:29:16,838 --> 00:29:18,590
And I knew that once that happened,
408
00:29:19,257 --> 00:29:21,468
those folks that were to be arrested
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00:29:21,551 --> 00:29:23,052
would be in the wind.
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00:29:23,136 --> 00:29:26,556
So I told my bosses, I said,
"I think we gotta go right now!"
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00:29:30,101 --> 00:29:33,646
In seven, six, five...
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00:29:33,730 --> 00:29:34,814
Rollers.
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00:29:34,898 --> 00:29:37,567
Stand by, chyrons. Insert.
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00:29:37,984 --> 00:29:41,196
It was a very high honor
to be sent out to arrest the most...
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00:29:41,738 --> 00:29:45,325
powerful mobster in America
on the most serious of charges.
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00:29:45,408 --> 00:29:48,536
Three, two, one...
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00:29:50,246 --> 00:29:52,290
This is NBC Nightly News.
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00:29:53,625 --> 00:29:57,086
Paul Castellano was having dinner.
His family was there.
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00:29:57,170 --> 00:29:59,589
This is NBC Nightly News in New York.
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00:30:01,883 --> 00:30:04,803
Told him we had a warrant
for his arrest on RICO charges.
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00:30:04,886 --> 00:30:06,012
Had to bring him in.
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00:30:06,679 --> 00:30:08,848
He said, "Can I get dressed first?"
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00:30:08,932 --> 00:30:09,932
"Sure."
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00:30:10,558 --> 00:30:13,038
When he was ready to go,
he put his hands out to be handcuffed.
425
00:30:13,102 --> 00:30:15,104
I said, "Oh,
you don't have to handcuff him."
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00:30:16,189 --> 00:30:18,900
And, as we were driving in,
we had the radio on,
427
00:30:19,526 --> 00:30:22,070
and then it came out on the radio.
Breaking news.
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00:30:23,404 --> 00:30:25,031
There's a major roundup underway
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00:30:25,114 --> 00:30:27,742
of top leaders in organized crime
in our area. Top leaders.
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00:30:28,201 --> 00:30:29,911
First time ever, the reputed...
431
00:30:29,994 --> 00:30:31,704
And he leaned forward to hear it.
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00:30:31,788 --> 00:30:32,914
And then they said,
433
00:30:32,997 --> 00:30:35,041
"Paul Castellano, the boss of bosses,
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00:30:35,124 --> 00:30:36,626
was also taken into custody,
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00:30:36,709 --> 00:30:38,461
from the information from the case
436
00:30:38,545 --> 00:30:40,672
that was developed
from bugs in his house."
437
00:30:42,841 --> 00:30:44,092
That's when he found out,
438
00:30:44,175 --> 00:30:45,844
by listening to the radio,
439
00:30:45,927 --> 00:30:47,971
that we had put a bug in his house.
440
00:30:48,054 --> 00:30:49,848
So he goes, "You bugged my house!"
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00:30:51,683 --> 00:30:53,226
And it was kind of awkward.
442
00:30:53,309 --> 00:30:55,854
I just kind of looked the other way,
you know.
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00:30:55,937 --> 00:30:58,982
I said, "Hey, you know,
that's the game we play."
444
00:31:00,984 --> 00:31:03,278
From WNBC-TV,
445
00:31:03,361 --> 00:31:08,616
this is News 4 New York
with Chuck Scarborough and John Hambrick.
446
00:31:09,617 --> 00:31:10,617
Good evening.
447
00:31:10,660 --> 00:31:15,373
Tony Ducks, Big Paul,
Fat Tony, Gerry Lang, Rusty Rastelli.
448
00:31:15,456 --> 00:31:16,791
A godfather roundup!
449
00:31:23,423 --> 00:31:25,925
How often do you
send out agents to arrest every boss
450
00:31:26,009 --> 00:31:29,220
in an organized crime family?
That was an exciting day in the office,
451
00:31:29,304 --> 00:31:32,348
to see all these guys
get arrested and brought in.
452
00:31:32,432 --> 00:31:35,018
Maybe once in a lifetime
you have that happen.
453
00:31:35,101 --> 00:31:36,227
Authorities call this
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00:31:36,311 --> 00:31:39,898
the most important prosecution case
ever brought against organized crime.
455
00:31:39,981 --> 00:31:41,774
It was sensational.
456
00:31:41,858 --> 00:31:44,777
All the bosses,
carted away at the same time.
457
00:31:44,861 --> 00:31:46,195
It was a day that I won't forget.
458
00:31:46,279 --> 00:31:49,949
People wouldn't even dream about this,
you know, ten years before.
459
00:31:50,033 --> 00:31:52,702
And here we were
in the middle of making history.
460
00:31:52,785 --> 00:31:55,496
The Mafia leaders were rounded up
in an overnight sweep.
461
00:31:55,580 --> 00:31:58,958
And today, US attorney Rudolph Giuliani
announced the indictments.
462
00:31:59,459 --> 00:32:03,671
This is a great day for law enforcement,
but this is a bad day, probably the worst,
463
00:32:03,755 --> 00:32:04,631
for the Mafia.
464
00:32:04,714 --> 00:32:07,967
I felt terrible.
I knew Fat Tony, I liked him a lot.
465
00:32:08,927 --> 00:32:11,971
And tonight a man
identified as Ralph Scopo...
466
00:32:12,055 --> 00:32:14,140
Ralphie Scopo, I knew Ralphie well.
467
00:32:14,223 --> 00:32:15,391
I grew up with him.
468
00:32:15,475 --> 00:32:18,186
This case charges
more Mafia bosses,
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00:32:18,269 --> 00:32:20,396
in one indictment, than any ever before.
470
00:32:24,192 --> 00:32:26,194
When that RICO case
first got announced,
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00:32:26,277 --> 00:32:28,738
we were cursing out
Rudy Giuliani like crazy.
472
00:32:29,530 --> 00:32:31,884
We don't even know
what they were talking about at the time,
473
00:32:31,908 --> 00:32:34,219
'cause we didn't understand the law.
It was very technical.
474
00:32:34,243 --> 00:32:36,347
There're a couple of Mob guys
who went to the hospital
475
00:32:36,371 --> 00:32:38,539
thinking they were
gonna get indicted...
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00:32:38,623 --> 00:32:39,999
that we didn't name.
477
00:32:40,083 --> 00:32:41,250
Everybody was worried.
478
00:32:41,334 --> 00:32:44,379
All of a sudden, every gangster
that couldn't count to ten
479
00:32:44,462 --> 00:32:47,131
started trying to understand
what RICO meant.
480
00:32:48,716 --> 00:32:52,011
We realized this is a law
that enables the FBI
481
00:32:52,095 --> 00:32:57,225
to gather multiple members
of the Mob together in a conspiracy case.
482
00:32:58,685 --> 00:33:00,561
So anybody that was from the street
483
00:33:00,645 --> 00:33:02,855
really understood what RICO meant to us,
484
00:33:02,939 --> 00:33:05,733
and especially to our bosses
of the five families.
485
00:33:05,817 --> 00:33:09,404
At least two of them, I know,
will be able to post bail immediately.
486
00:33:09,487 --> 00:33:12,949
- Is Castellano one of them?
- Castellano, yeah, and Fat Tony.
487
00:33:18,538 --> 00:33:21,165
I was
Fat Tony Salerno's defense lawyer.
488
00:33:21,791 --> 00:33:24,210
At the time we met, I was 34.
489
00:33:24,293 --> 00:33:28,381
I was a little bit intimidated
to meet with Mr. Salerno,
490
00:33:28,923 --> 00:33:32,719
kind of afraid
to ask him certain questions,
491
00:33:32,802 --> 00:33:35,930
because maybe the answers
were something that, uh...
492
00:33:36,014 --> 00:33:39,267
he didn't either want to tell me,
or maybe I shouldn't know.
493
00:33:39,809 --> 00:33:42,395
Um... And... he once stopped me,
494
00:33:42,478 --> 00:33:43,604
'cause he sensed that,
495
00:33:43,688 --> 00:33:46,733
and he said, "Listen kid,
you can ask me any question you want",
496
00:33:46,816 --> 00:33:48,943
and I will always,
always tell you the truth.
497
00:33:49,027 --> 00:33:50,737
Some questions you're gonna ask me,
498
00:33:50,820 --> 00:33:53,656
I won't be able to answer,
and I'll tell you I can't answer that.
499
00:33:53,740 --> 00:33:56,784
You take it for whatever
it means at that point,
500
00:33:56,868 --> 00:33:58,828
but don't ever be
afraid to ask me a question.
501
00:33:58,911 --> 00:34:02,290
I asked Fat Tony if he had
anything to say about all this.
502
00:34:02,373 --> 00:34:04,125
You have something to say, Tony?
503
00:34:06,085 --> 00:34:07,085
Thank you.
504
00:34:08,129 --> 00:34:09,047
Excuse me.
505
00:34:09,130 --> 00:34:11,466
Fat Tony was a very kind person...
506
00:34:12,091 --> 00:34:13,091
to me.
507
00:34:13,468 --> 00:34:15,887
Here comes Marcy.
I want you to meet her.
508
00:34:15,970 --> 00:34:18,473
Introducing the new Cabbage Patch babies,
509
00:34:18,556 --> 00:34:20,558
the littlest Cabbage Patch kids of all.
510
00:34:20,641 --> 00:34:23,936
My daughter was
about two years old at the time.
511
00:34:24,020 --> 00:34:28,649
There was a doll that was very famous
called the Cabbage Patch doll,
512
00:34:28,733 --> 00:34:31,235
and it was sold out everywhere,
513
00:34:31,319 --> 00:34:33,905
and my daughter desperately wanted one.
514
00:34:34,781 --> 00:34:37,116
Can't remember how he found that out,
515
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,660
but the next thing you know,
he sent a case...
516
00:34:40,244 --> 00:34:43,414
of Cabbage Patch dolls to my daughter.
517
00:34:45,291 --> 00:34:48,252
Cabbage Patch Kids babies,
with everything shown here.
518
00:34:48,336 --> 00:34:50,171
Each sold separately from Coleco.
519
00:34:51,672 --> 00:34:53,591
Castellano left
the federal courthouse
520
00:34:53,674 --> 00:34:54,967
in Lower Manhattan tonight
521
00:34:55,051 --> 00:34:57,428
after posting
two million dollars bail money.
522
00:34:58,763 --> 00:35:00,431
Paul Castellano walked out,
523
00:35:00,515 --> 00:35:04,435
and this reporter from 60 Minutes came up
to him, introduced himself and said,
524
00:35:04,519 --> 00:35:07,188
"We'd like to put you on 60 Minutes,
Mr. Castellano.
525
00:35:07,271 --> 00:35:10,525
People have to hear that Giuliani
isn't the only word on this."
526
00:35:10,608 --> 00:35:12,777
And Castellano went
and reached in his pocket.
527
00:35:12,860 --> 00:35:15,655
"I'll be glad to talk to you.
Here's my card. Talk to my lawyer."
528
00:35:15,738 --> 00:35:17,198
He acted like a businessman.
529
00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:19,283
Fat Tony walks out of court.
530
00:35:21,577 --> 00:35:24,872
Fat Tony was fat...
looked like a Mafia guy.
531
00:35:24,956 --> 00:35:28,292
First thing he does when he gets out
of court is... puts a cigar in his mouth.
532
00:35:29,710 --> 00:35:31,470
The guy comes up to him,
says the same thing.
533
00:35:31,546 --> 00:35:33,464
He says, "You're a reporter?"
534
00:35:35,424 --> 00:35:36,634
Then go F yourself.
535
00:35:36,717 --> 00:35:38,928
"Just go F yourself,
I don't talk to no reporters."
536
00:35:39,011 --> 00:35:41,848
And he walks off.
It was a difference between two men.
537
00:35:41,931 --> 00:35:45,768
One was totally pretentious,
and Fat Tony knew exactly who he was.
538
00:35:52,024 --> 00:35:55,528
One of the things
that came across in representing Fat Tony
539
00:35:55,611 --> 00:35:59,824
was the notion that this group
was essentially its own government.
540
00:36:01,993 --> 00:36:04,996
They did not play by the rules of the...
541
00:36:05,079 --> 00:36:08,374
What the, say,
United States government rules were.
542
00:36:08,457 --> 00:36:11,085
They had
their own law and order and justice.
543
00:36:11,919 --> 00:36:13,462
And that's what they live by.
544
00:36:30,229 --> 00:36:32,648
It happened in the middle
of the evening rush hour
545
00:36:32,732 --> 00:36:34,525
on a crowded Midtown street.
546
00:36:35,318 --> 00:36:37,278
I was sitting in my office,
547
00:36:37,361 --> 00:36:38,863
at the US Attorney's Office,
548
00:36:38,946 --> 00:36:42,491
writing the government's response
to a variety of motions.
549
00:36:43,451 --> 00:36:47,538
Two men were apparently shot,
either getting into or leaving the car.
550
00:36:48,623 --> 00:36:51,292
I happened to be playing
in a basketball game.
551
00:36:52,043 --> 00:36:54,295
One of the men appeared
to have been a driver.
552
00:36:54,378 --> 00:36:56,964
The keys were only several inches
from his hand.
553
00:36:57,715 --> 00:36:59,550
All of a sudden,
our beepers were going off.
554
00:36:59,634 --> 00:37:02,136
My secretary walks in and hands me a note.
555
00:37:02,678 --> 00:37:04,931
Both men appear
to have been shot in the head,
556
00:37:05,014 --> 00:37:08,476
shot gangland execution-style
on the street.
557
00:37:08,559 --> 00:37:12,271
I remember one of my colleagues
running down the hall saying,
558
00:37:12,355 --> 00:37:14,357
"Big Paulie was just whacked!"
559
00:37:16,150 --> 00:37:17,150
Shit.
560
00:37:25,743 --> 00:37:28,663
It is a historic event
in the history of the Mob.
561
00:37:28,746 --> 00:37:31,958
You are looking
at the body of Paul Castellano.
562
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,170
We got into cars and drove up there.
563
00:37:36,254 --> 00:37:37,129
It was mayhem.
564
00:37:37,213 --> 00:37:39,423
There were people everywhere,
all over the street.
565
00:37:39,507 --> 00:37:40,508
The street was closed.
566
00:37:41,217 --> 00:37:44,095
Castellano's body was laying
with his head in the gutter.
567
00:37:44,178 --> 00:37:46,722
This was really significant in that he was
568
00:37:46,806 --> 00:37:49,976
the boss of one
of the largest families in the Mafia.
569
00:37:51,936 --> 00:37:55,022
Witnesses said that Castellano
was sitting in his limousine
570
00:37:55,106 --> 00:37:59,819
when three men in trench coats walked up,
started shooting, and they made a getaway.
571
00:38:02,613 --> 00:38:04,991
The atmosphere was very tense.
572
00:38:06,659 --> 00:38:08,536
I knew it was coming, for a while.
573
00:38:11,747 --> 00:38:14,792
Castellano's rule is, like most bosses,
574
00:38:14,875 --> 00:38:16,168
don't deal drugs.
575
00:38:17,628 --> 00:38:19,255
If I find out about it,
576
00:38:19,338 --> 00:38:21,424
you're gonna be killed for dealing drugs.
577
00:38:23,259 --> 00:38:26,095
Angelo Ruggiero, John Gotti, and myself
578
00:38:26,178 --> 00:38:27,471
were all moving drugs.
579
00:38:29,348 --> 00:38:32,059
Angelo Ruggiero and John Gotti realized
580
00:38:32,143 --> 00:38:35,104
that Angelo had been caught on hours
581
00:38:35,187 --> 00:38:38,858
and dozens of wiretaps in his house,
582
00:38:38,941 --> 00:38:40,651
discussing the drug business.
583
00:38:44,196 --> 00:38:46,198
In our life, in the Mob world,
584
00:38:46,282 --> 00:38:50,036
when you, uh... break a rule,
your life is ended like that.
585
00:39:05,176 --> 00:39:07,553
Gotti and Ruggiero understand
586
00:39:07,636 --> 00:39:10,890
that if Castellano
is in those tapes at the trial,
587
00:39:11,474 --> 00:39:12,474
they're dead.
588
00:39:15,144 --> 00:39:16,562
They had to hit him first.
589
00:39:16,645 --> 00:39:18,814
Law enforcement officials
are wondering this morning
590
00:39:18,898 --> 00:39:21,567
whether the murder of the country's
top Mob boss Monday
591
00:39:21,650 --> 00:39:24,028
was the first salvo
in a new gangland war.
592
00:39:24,612 --> 00:39:26,989
And they're looking
for this man, John Gotti.
593
00:39:35,915 --> 00:39:39,585
I felt bad
because the whole object of my case
594
00:39:39,668 --> 00:39:41,545
was to put Castellano away.
595
00:39:44,548 --> 00:39:47,385
There's a strange bond
that sometimes exists
596
00:39:47,468 --> 00:39:50,596
between law enforcement officers
and criminals.
597
00:39:52,348 --> 00:39:56,352
They both live
by codes of honor and respect
598
00:39:56,435 --> 00:39:58,771
more stringent than most normal people.
599
00:39:58,854 --> 00:40:01,690
And there's
a certain psychological connection there.
600
00:40:03,275 --> 00:40:06,612
I heard him on the mic for 600 hours,
601
00:40:06,695 --> 00:40:08,572
for a four, five-year period.
602
00:40:08,656 --> 00:40:09,990
I felt like I knew him.
603
00:40:10,574 --> 00:40:14,245
It wasn't supposed to end this way.
He's supposed to end up in federal prison.
604
00:40:19,041 --> 00:40:21,252
It was frustrating
to learn he had been killed
605
00:40:21,335 --> 00:40:24,588
just for the reason that...
he was the boss of bosses.
606
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,551
I would much rather have seen
Castellano convicted,
607
00:40:28,634 --> 00:40:30,219
rather than ending it that way.
608
00:40:31,679 --> 00:40:34,974
Paul Castellano was
a very, very important defendant to us.
609
00:40:35,057 --> 00:40:39,061
We had fantastic tapes
from his kitchen in Staten Island.
610
00:40:39,145 --> 00:40:41,480
He was a reigning boss,
611
00:40:41,564 --> 00:40:44,942
and we very much wanted him
to be a defendant at trial.
612
00:40:45,025 --> 00:40:46,861
So it was both a shock,
613
00:40:46,944 --> 00:40:48,737
and in some ways frustrating,
614
00:40:48,821 --> 00:40:51,532
that we did not have a chance
to bring him to justice.
615
00:40:53,325 --> 00:40:57,371
It certainly increased the pressure
on all of us as a trial team,
616
00:40:57,455 --> 00:41:00,749
because the press and the whole country
were watching New York.
617
00:41:04,670 --> 00:41:07,715
Tonight we begin
with an NBC News exclusive.
618
00:41:07,798 --> 00:41:11,093
The godfathers of the New York Mafia
are in big trouble.
619
00:41:11,177 --> 00:41:15,306
This was billed as probably
the biggest organized crime case ever.
620
00:41:16,015 --> 00:41:18,368
The federal government
is trying to prove there are five men
621
00:41:18,392 --> 00:41:21,520
who were the alleged bosses
of New York City's five crime families,
622
00:41:21,604 --> 00:41:23,147
and they comprised a commission.
623
00:41:23,230 --> 00:41:26,275
They are charged with a wide range
of strong-arm tactics,
624
00:41:26,358 --> 00:41:30,613
including infiltration of New York City's
high-rise construction industry.
625
00:41:30,696 --> 00:41:34,492
This case was a media circus,
no question about it.
626
00:41:34,575 --> 00:41:37,161
Dare we hope that this is the beginning
of the end for the Mob?
627
00:41:37,244 --> 00:41:39,538
Hopefully, with an organization
like the Mafia,
628
00:41:39,622 --> 00:41:42,374
we will wear them down. I think this is
a perfect time to crush them.
629
00:41:43,417 --> 00:41:46,337
Rudy did rather love
being in front of the cameras.
630
00:41:46,420 --> 00:41:50,508
Some of your critics have accused you
of being a publicity hound.
631
00:41:50,591 --> 00:41:52,343
Uh... How do you plead to that charge?
632
00:41:52,426 --> 00:41:55,930
I plead not guilty to the charge,
certainly with the way it's characterized.
633
00:41:56,347 --> 00:41:58,474
Did we tease him a little bit?
634
00:41:58,557 --> 00:41:59,391
Sure.
635
00:41:59,475 --> 00:42:00,851
It was a running joke
636
00:42:00,935 --> 00:42:03,729
among all the assistant US attorneys.
637
00:42:03,812 --> 00:42:08,317
Being the the Mob buster
was a big part of his persona.
638
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:12,196
You can almost regard it
as a hidden tax.
639
00:42:12,279 --> 00:42:15,366
Giuliani and other officials
say the tax is exacted every time...
640
00:42:15,449 --> 00:42:18,452
The government will do
whatever they can to win the case.
641
00:42:18,536 --> 00:42:23,707
Including in that is to make sure
the publicity permeates the public...
642
00:42:23,791 --> 00:42:25,668
A major racketeering trial in New York.
643
00:42:25,751 --> 00:42:29,088
So that the jurors
are fully aware
644
00:42:29,171 --> 00:42:31,215
of the most nefarious aspects
645
00:42:31,298 --> 00:42:33,926
that Giuliani could put in the press.
646
00:42:34,009 --> 00:42:37,680
It's outrageous that that kind of thing
happens in our society.
647
00:42:37,763 --> 00:42:39,557
The public
must understand, they say,
648
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:43,060
that these men are gangsters and murderers
who steal from everyone.
649
00:42:44,728 --> 00:42:46,939
This clearly was
the biggest thing
650
00:42:47,022 --> 00:42:48,566
I would ever do professionally.
651
00:42:48,649 --> 00:42:50,568
Young lady, let us through.
652
00:42:51,819 --> 00:42:55,114
So there was a certain amount of pressure.
653
00:42:56,031 --> 00:42:57,575
I had just turned 29.
654
00:42:58,450 --> 00:43:01,203
John had also just turned 29.
655
00:43:01,287 --> 00:43:02,663
And Mike was 30.
656
00:43:04,415 --> 00:43:07,084
I'm sure in some quarters,
there were people questioning,
657
00:43:07,167 --> 00:43:10,421
"Really? These three kids
are going to try this case?"
658
00:43:10,504 --> 00:43:12,214
All my guys were incredibly young.
659
00:43:12,298 --> 00:43:15,301
That's all you get. They don't pay
any money in the US Attorney's Office.
660
00:43:15,384 --> 00:43:19,179
None of us had ever tried a case
of this magnitude before.
661
00:43:19,263 --> 00:43:21,390
When you think about it,
it's a little crazy, right?
662
00:43:21,473 --> 00:43:23,225
The United States is entrusting
663
00:43:23,309 --> 00:43:27,563
essentially three novices
with this momentous case.
664
00:43:28,647 --> 00:43:29,815
And all of a sudden,
665
00:43:29,898 --> 00:43:34,570
we're up against
these terrifying, formidable Mob figures.
666
00:43:35,696 --> 00:43:38,157
Are you confident at all
about the charges?
667
00:43:42,202 --> 00:43:46,248
Just before the trial began,
I proposed to my wife,
668
00:43:46,332 --> 00:43:47,541
and she was nervous.
669
00:43:47,625 --> 00:43:49,168
She kept asking me
670
00:43:49,251 --> 00:43:53,547
about whether I was gonna come
into any kind of harm or danger.
671
00:43:54,131 --> 00:43:56,717
Uh, fortunately, knock on wood,
I never did.
672
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,135
But others around me did.
673
00:44:00,971 --> 00:44:04,350
One day, US Marshal came
in my office and said,
674
00:44:04,433 --> 00:44:07,728
"We have a documented threat
from the Mob,"
675
00:44:07,811 --> 00:44:09,438
to kill... my wife.
676
00:44:13,651 --> 00:44:16,570
And they taught me and my chief assistant
how to use a gun.
677
00:44:27,623 --> 00:44:29,583
Once the jury was finally seated,
678
00:44:29,667 --> 00:44:31,710
my job in the opening statement
was to give them
679
00:44:31,794 --> 00:44:35,589
a road map about what they're gonna hear
and explain it in context.
680
00:44:37,716 --> 00:44:38,967
"Members of the jury,
681
00:44:39,551 --> 00:44:43,138
Mafia families have
a single overriding purpose:
682
00:44:43,722 --> 00:44:47,851
To make money
using corruption, fear, and violence.
683
00:44:51,230 --> 00:44:53,232
The Cosa Nostra and Commission
684
00:44:53,315 --> 00:44:56,777
are not words that are coined or made up
by the government.
685
00:44:57,695 --> 00:45:00,948
These are words
these defendants used themselves.
686
00:45:01,532 --> 00:45:04,743
And you are going to hear them
use those words on the tapes
687
00:45:04,827 --> 00:45:06,870
"with your very own ears."
688
00:45:09,498 --> 00:45:12,042
For a criminal trial in the United States,
689
00:45:12,126 --> 00:45:15,045
the US Constitution says the jury
has to be unanimous,
690
00:45:15,129 --> 00:45:18,215
so you've gotta persuade all 12 jurors.
691
00:45:20,634 --> 00:45:24,012
If we could just convince
one or two of those jurors,
692
00:45:24,096 --> 00:45:25,723
we would essentially win the case.
693
00:45:28,726 --> 00:45:31,770
When the trial is underway,
you're watching the jury like a hawk.
694
00:45:31,854 --> 00:45:35,065
You wanna see
what their body English is like.
695
00:45:35,149 --> 00:45:37,151
Do they seem to be paying attention?
696
00:45:37,943 --> 00:45:40,946
Are they understanding
the evidence? What's interesting to them?
697
00:45:41,029 --> 00:45:43,115
So you can calibrate your presentation.
698
00:45:45,325 --> 00:45:47,369
The forewoman of the jury
699
00:45:47,453 --> 00:45:49,788
was a very elegant woman
who wore this gold cross.
700
00:45:51,623 --> 00:45:55,919
And then this young, very attractive,
red-haired woman was in the front row.
701
00:45:57,171 --> 00:45:59,548
And there was an elderly woman.
702
00:46:00,174 --> 00:46:03,594
I said to Pat, "Wait till she starts
listening to some of these tapes."
703
00:46:03,677 --> 00:46:06,597
Because it's difficult to understand
what was going on.
704
00:46:08,891 --> 00:46:11,977
The judge directs
that the jury will listen.
705
00:46:12,060 --> 00:46:13,353
They put on their headphones.
706
00:46:35,083 --> 00:46:37,044
It seemed like the elderly woman
707
00:46:37,127 --> 00:46:40,798
was straining to understand
what was going on.
708
00:46:49,515 --> 00:46:51,433
Get down to the bottom of the page.
709
00:46:52,267 --> 00:46:55,979
You look at it as a big corporation.
You're running a big corporation.
710
00:47:00,150 --> 00:47:05,197
When we saw all 12 jurors turn the page
at exactly the right moment,
711
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:06,698
we just looked at each other like,
712
00:47:06,782 --> 00:47:10,035
"Yes! They're following.
They're paying attention.
713
00:47:10,118 --> 00:47:11,745
They're hearing what we've heard."
714
00:47:14,456 --> 00:47:18,752
For several weeks, a federal jury
has been sifting through tape recordings.
715
00:47:18,836 --> 00:47:24,132
The vast majority of this case
is built on, uh, tapes of the defendants
716
00:47:24,216 --> 00:47:26,776
talking about their criminal activities.
It's from those tapes...
717
00:47:26,844 --> 00:47:28,679
Everybody followed
the Commission trial,
718
00:47:28,762 --> 00:47:30,639
especially if you were a street guy.
719
00:47:30,722 --> 00:47:34,685
When we were sitting around
the Bergin Hunt and Fish Club,
720
00:47:34,768 --> 00:47:39,147
we were saying it's illegal,
it's this, like we were Harvard grads.
721
00:47:39,231 --> 00:47:44,403
But in reality we understand
that we've got serious problems now.
722
00:47:53,912 --> 00:47:56,373
The government did have
some pretty strong evidence.
723
00:47:56,456 --> 00:47:58,292
The head of the Lucchese family,
724
00:47:58,375 --> 00:48:01,795
Tony "Ducks" Corallo,
there was a bug placed in his car.
725
00:48:17,144 --> 00:48:20,772
There were conversations
about cement trade in New York.
726
00:48:35,370 --> 00:48:37,831
On one of the tapes,
Fat Tony remarked
727
00:48:37,915 --> 00:48:43,128
that he had just seen a cement truck
drive down Second Avenue with...
728
00:48:43,211 --> 00:48:46,131
The name on the truck
was something he didn't recognize,
729
00:48:46,214 --> 00:48:51,428
and he wanted to know who had guts enough
to drive a truck through Manhattan
730
00:48:51,511 --> 00:48:56,141
that was affiliated with a company
that he wasn't aware of or didn't control.
731
00:48:56,224 --> 00:48:58,226
So it was that kind of tape
732
00:48:58,310 --> 00:49:02,272
that was kind of difficult for us
to get around, if you will.
733
00:49:03,148 --> 00:49:05,317
We knew we were in for a rough ride.
734
00:49:23,377 --> 00:49:27,756
The strategy that I employed
was to do everything we could to...
735
00:49:28,423 --> 00:49:33,428
win the so-called sex-appeal parts
of the case...
736
00:49:33,512 --> 00:49:37,474
uh, the violence that they threw in
gratuitously, the Galante murder.
737
00:49:40,310 --> 00:49:43,105
Anything that the government
can do to get an edge, they will do.
738
00:49:43,188 --> 00:49:46,566
If anyone thinks this is fair
and they're trying to do right is wrong.
739
00:49:46,650 --> 00:49:47,850
They're there to win the case.
740
00:49:49,528 --> 00:49:50,904
It was very dramatic,
741
00:49:50,988 --> 00:49:52,280
it was very violent,
742
00:49:52,364 --> 00:49:56,994
and it was what was put in there
only to get the jury's attention.
743
00:50:00,455 --> 00:50:01,707
At the point in time
744
00:50:01,790 --> 00:50:05,502
when we started putting evidence in
about the Galante homicide,
745
00:50:05,585 --> 00:50:08,964
the world changed for Bruno Indelicato
inside that courtroom.
746
00:50:14,636 --> 00:50:19,307
The reason Bruno Indelicato,
a lower-ranking member in the Mob,
747
00:50:19,391 --> 00:50:23,311
was a defendant in the case
is because he was a gunman
748
00:50:23,395 --> 00:50:28,316
in the murder of Carmine Galante,
and the Commission authorized that murder.
749
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:33,155
He was a person who took the orders
and carried out the Commission's bidding.
750
00:50:35,157 --> 00:50:40,704
Now, all of a sudden, he's very agitated,
squirming in his chair,
751
00:50:40,787 --> 00:50:44,666
understanding that no, this isn't
something he's going to skate on.
752
00:50:44,750 --> 00:50:45,750
All of a sudden...
753
00:50:46,752 --> 00:50:47,836
it's real for him.
754
00:50:49,921 --> 00:50:52,132
I guess it got to be too much for him.
755
00:50:52,215 --> 00:50:54,926
Indelicato sprang to his feet
756
00:50:55,010 --> 00:50:56,303
and yelled at me,
757
00:50:56,720 --> 00:50:58,972
"What are you doing?
You're not playing fair.
758
00:50:59,056 --> 00:51:00,766
I know who you are.
759
00:51:00,849 --> 00:51:02,059
You can't do this crap."
760
00:51:04,644 --> 00:51:07,856
That's the first time I ever had
a murderer actually threaten me.
761
00:51:10,192 --> 00:51:13,820
The marshals immediately grabbed him,
put him back into the holding cell
762
00:51:13,904 --> 00:51:15,405
in the back of the courtroom.
763
00:51:17,699 --> 00:51:18,742
Lunch happens.
764
00:51:19,284 --> 00:51:22,079
Indelicto comes back out,
comes over to me and says,
765
00:51:22,162 --> 00:51:25,415
"Mr. Childers, I want to apologize.
I was out of line."
766
00:51:26,374 --> 00:51:28,251
My best guess as to why
767
00:51:28,335 --> 00:51:30,629
there was the change
of heart in Indelicato
768
00:51:30,712 --> 00:51:33,840
is that he was back there
in the holding cell
769
00:51:33,924 --> 00:51:36,802
with "Fat Tony" Salerno,
the boss of the Genovese family,
770
00:51:36,885 --> 00:51:39,763
and Carmine Persico,
the boss of the Colombo family,
771
00:51:39,846 --> 00:51:42,891
and they're on trial for their lives also.
772
00:51:43,642 --> 00:51:45,477
And they outrank him.
773
00:51:46,019 --> 00:51:48,230
And I would think
that they would've said,
774
00:51:48,772 --> 00:51:52,692
"Hey, idiot, what the hell are you doing?
775
00:51:52,776 --> 00:51:54,444
We don't need any more problems."
776
00:51:56,738 --> 00:52:00,158
Gil Childers was brought in
to present that case.
777
00:52:00,242 --> 00:52:04,454
And he did it with great fanfare
and big blow-up pictures of Galante
778
00:52:04,538 --> 00:52:08,166
with the cigar in his mouth and his eye
hanging out and bullet holes all over him.
779
00:52:09,042 --> 00:52:12,087
But all of the violence
really had nothing to do with this case.
780
00:52:13,588 --> 00:52:16,133
The government's theory was
there's a rule,
781
00:52:16,216 --> 00:52:20,053
and the rule is you can't hurt your boss
unless all the other bosses agree.
782
00:52:20,137 --> 00:52:21,930
The "Commission" has to agree.
783
00:52:23,348 --> 00:52:26,977
My argument was that Fat Tony
was not the boss of the Genovese family
784
00:52:27,060 --> 00:52:30,021
when Galante was murdered.
Somebody else was.
785
00:52:30,647 --> 00:52:32,983
So Fat Tony
really had nothing to do with it.
786
00:52:36,027 --> 00:52:38,822
If we could just convince
one or two of those jurors,
787
00:52:38,905 --> 00:52:41,950
Fat Tony had nothing to do
with the Galante murder,
788
00:52:42,033 --> 00:52:43,743
we could win the case.
789
00:52:50,500 --> 00:52:53,670
Everyday, you're on edge.
You're in court.
790
00:52:53,753 --> 00:52:56,131
Then at night,
you're preparing for the next day.
791
00:52:56,214 --> 00:52:58,717
And then all weekend
you're preparing for the next week.
792
00:52:58,800 --> 00:52:59,926
So you're exhausted.
793
00:53:00,010 --> 00:53:03,972
So, by the end,
we felt good that we had made our case,
794
00:53:04,055 --> 00:53:05,055
but you never know.
795
00:53:05,515 --> 00:53:08,351
And then the jury goes off,
and they deliberate.
796
00:53:26,578 --> 00:53:28,914
You've done
everything you could do.
797
00:53:29,539 --> 00:53:30,707
You now realize
798
00:53:30,790 --> 00:53:34,294
that everything now rests
in the hands of 12 people
799
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:38,256
whose names you don't even know,
'cause it was an anonymous jury.
800
00:53:42,677 --> 00:53:45,722
A defense attorney
only has to convince one person,
801
00:53:45,805 --> 00:53:48,225
and, of course, prosecutors
have to convince 12.
802
00:53:56,441 --> 00:54:01,071
The clock is kind of ticking
in your brain as each day goes by.
803
00:54:01,154 --> 00:54:04,491
And you're wondering to yourself,
"What are they thinking?
804
00:54:04,574 --> 00:54:06,618
Are they leaning our way? Are they not?
805
00:54:06,701 --> 00:54:07,701
Who knows?"
806
00:54:15,252 --> 00:54:18,755
I was worried about someone
getting to the jury because...
807
00:54:18,838 --> 00:54:21,591
in the history of Mob cases,
they reached somebody.
808
00:54:28,807 --> 00:54:32,852
The way the Mob can undermine
the jury process is by getting to a juror.
809
00:54:32,936 --> 00:54:35,021
It's effectively corrupting a juror
810
00:54:35,105 --> 00:54:39,776
to hold out and refuse
to vote in favor of conviction.
811
00:54:46,658 --> 00:54:48,827
What is going on here?
812
00:54:52,831 --> 00:54:55,041
No verdict yet
in the Commission trial.
813
00:54:55,125 --> 00:54:58,005
Jury wrapped up four days of deliberating.
They go back to work tomorrow.
814
00:55:01,673 --> 00:55:03,383
The longer a jury stays out,
815
00:55:03,466 --> 00:55:06,553
the better you feel that at least
there may not be a conviction.
816
00:55:06,636 --> 00:55:08,263
This is not a runaway.
817
00:55:13,226 --> 00:55:15,312
I was 100% percent confident
when it started.
818
00:55:15,395 --> 00:55:18,273
By the fifth day,
I was less sure of the verdict.
819
00:55:20,025 --> 00:55:21,318
If we fail at this...
820
00:55:21,818 --> 00:55:24,070
ooh, it could set us back 30 years.
821
00:55:36,750 --> 00:55:39,336
I thought, "I can't believe
we've done all this work,
822
00:55:39,419 --> 00:55:41,087
and this is gonna go down the tubes."
823
00:55:44,257 --> 00:55:46,259
My unit chief said to me,
824
00:55:46,343 --> 00:55:48,845
"You should write
two statements for the press:
825
00:55:48,928 --> 00:55:51,848
One if we convict
and one if there's an acquittal."
826
00:55:51,931 --> 00:55:54,184
I said, "I can't do that.
I'm gonna jinx myself."
827
00:55:54,267 --> 00:55:57,270
She said, "You have to do it."
So I gritted my teeth and I did it.
828
00:56:09,157 --> 00:56:10,575
And then we got a call.
829
00:56:14,746 --> 00:56:16,956
The jury had reached a verdict.
830
00:56:18,583 --> 00:56:20,126
It was like a circus in there.
831
00:56:21,544 --> 00:56:24,714
Everybody showed up.
I mean, it was standing room only.
832
00:56:25,382 --> 00:56:27,675
We could barely get into the courtroom.
833
00:56:27,759 --> 00:56:31,137
And I remember saying,
"Hey, we're the prosecutors.
834
00:56:31,221 --> 00:56:32,555
We've gotta get in there."
835
00:56:35,725 --> 00:56:38,561
The culmination of years of hard work,
836
00:56:38,645 --> 00:56:40,647
my whole squad, came down to this.
837
00:56:43,817 --> 00:56:45,777
You don't want to screw this up.
838
00:56:45,860 --> 00:56:47,362
You don't want to be the guy
839
00:56:47,445 --> 00:56:50,740
who is known as the person
who let the Mob bosses off.
840
00:56:54,953 --> 00:56:56,663
The jury comes back.
841
00:56:56,746 --> 00:56:59,433
You're looking at them all
because you're trying to read their faces,
842
00:56:59,457 --> 00:57:01,376
like what the hell's going on here.
843
00:57:03,545 --> 00:57:06,840
You're sitting there,
literally with your heart in your mouth.
844
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:11,469
I had my hands on my lap
845
00:57:11,553 --> 00:57:13,596
and I was saying, like, a prayer.
846
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:15,306
And Pat reached out,
847
00:57:15,390 --> 00:57:17,517
and he squeezed my hand, and he goes,
848
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:18,852
"Here we go, pal."
849
00:57:31,531 --> 00:57:32,531
Guilty.
850
00:57:34,367 --> 00:57:37,704
- And it was guilty, guilty, guilty.
- Guilty, guilty.
851
00:57:37,787 --> 00:57:40,290
Guilty, guilty, guilty, 150 times.
852
00:57:40,373 --> 00:57:42,041
She looked over at us.
853
00:57:42,125 --> 00:57:44,878
She smiled and she went...
Just like that.
854
00:57:44,961 --> 00:57:46,838
It's the way she nodded her head.
855
00:57:49,174 --> 00:57:52,552
Good evening. A major blow
for the men who rule the Mafia.
856
00:57:52,635 --> 00:57:56,097
Eight mobsters,
including three Mafia godfathers,
857
00:57:56,181 --> 00:57:58,349
were found guilty of serving
as Commission members.
858
00:57:58,433 --> 00:58:01,269
This verdict means the death
of the old school Mob leadership
859
00:58:01,352 --> 00:58:02,645
in New York as we knew it.
860
00:58:02,729 --> 00:58:06,816
I think it's gonna take a long time
to replace the kind of network
861
00:58:06,900 --> 00:58:07,901
these men put together.
862
00:58:09,736 --> 00:58:11,321
My God, we did it!
863
00:58:13,156 --> 00:58:16,576
After all this work,
all those sleepless nights,
864
00:58:16,659 --> 00:58:18,286
all those ruined weekends,
865
00:58:18,369 --> 00:58:20,705
we were finally getting
what we had fought for.
866
00:58:22,248 --> 00:58:25,793
These people
who were untouchables their entire lives
867
00:58:25,877 --> 00:58:28,087
are now gonna be brought to justice.
868
00:58:28,171 --> 00:58:30,673
It was, uh...
It's an incredibly moving time.
869
00:58:30,757 --> 00:58:33,760
Every single defendant
was convicted on every single count,
870
00:58:33,843 --> 00:58:36,930
and I think this is a great day
for law enforcement
871
00:58:37,013 --> 00:58:39,366
and for all those
who've been in pursuit of organized crime.
872
00:58:39,390 --> 00:58:40,558
Some have lost their lives.
873
00:58:41,559 --> 00:58:44,979
The top bosses of the Mafia
were given 100 years in prison.
874
00:58:45,063 --> 00:58:47,607
One hundred years
for Anthony "Fat Tony" Salerno...
875
00:58:47,690 --> 00:58:50,151
For us, it was devastating.
876
00:58:51,110 --> 00:58:56,074
When Giuliani brought this war into effect
against gangsters,
877
00:58:56,157 --> 00:58:57,325
it was the plague.
878
00:58:57,909 --> 00:59:00,537
Nothing worse than this
could ever come in existence
879
00:59:00,620 --> 00:59:02,539
against street guys in the Mob world.
880
00:59:02,622 --> 00:59:07,085
The FBI now counts 500 Mafia
convictions in the last three years,
881
00:59:07,168 --> 00:59:09,087
and it says more cases are coming.
882
00:59:10,338 --> 00:59:13,967
This was the first time
in history anything like that was done.
883
00:59:14,050 --> 00:59:17,512
And you know it really, really
put the icing on the cake for me.
884
00:59:17,637 --> 00:59:19,514
I said, "When they can start doing that,
885
00:59:19,597 --> 00:59:22,308
this life is in real trouble,
real trouble."
886
00:59:24,352 --> 00:59:25,520
I was elated.
887
00:59:27,230 --> 00:59:30,733
All the hard work that we put into this
and all the time away from home
888
00:59:30,817 --> 00:59:34,112
and all the sweat and tears
and then it came to fruition.
889
00:59:35,154 --> 00:59:38,283
This was the culmination of,
as far as I was concerned,
890
00:59:38,366 --> 00:59:39,659
everything I had worked for.
891
00:59:39,742 --> 00:59:42,328
Twenty some-odd years
of working organized crime in New York.
892
00:59:42,412 --> 00:59:44,205
It was one of those thrills of a lifetime.
893
00:59:46,583 --> 00:59:49,043
I said, "Pat, it's like
being in a Broadway show",
894
00:59:49,127 --> 00:59:50,253
and the show is over.
895
00:59:51,212 --> 00:59:53,006
"So now what are we gonna do?"
896
00:59:56,426 --> 00:59:59,220
We have come to know
the face of Rudolph Giuliani,
897
00:59:59,304 --> 01:00:02,140
a steady presence in the morning papers
and evening news.
898
01:00:02,223 --> 01:00:05,393
More than any other US attorney
for the Southern District of New York,
899
01:00:05,476 --> 01:00:08,479
Giuliani has sewn himself
into the fabric of this city.
900
01:00:08,563 --> 01:00:11,774
His most recent Mafia busts
resulting in death threats...
901
01:00:13,693 --> 01:00:16,154
As an Italian-American,
I'm absolutely proud
902
01:00:16,237 --> 01:00:19,073
to be the man who helped to destroy it
and who led the effort.
903
01:00:19,157 --> 01:00:21,909
Rudolph Giuliani has officially
jumped into the race for mayor
904
01:00:21,993 --> 01:00:25,496
at the place where two other Republicans
started their successful campaigns.
905
01:01:02,617 --> 01:01:05,119
As we wrap up this series,
it's interesting to note
906
01:01:05,203 --> 01:01:06,603
that for law enforcement officials,
907
01:01:06,663 --> 01:01:10,041
the questions tonight are
who will the next generation of bosses be,
908
01:01:10,124 --> 01:01:12,835
and what kind of shadowy crime game
will they play?
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