All language subtitles for AKA. Jane Roe (2020)

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- Oh, my fleas are waking up.

- Oxygen?

This is my deathbed
confession.

Okay.

- I want you to meet Jane Roe.

- Jane Roe.
- Roe, Jane Roe...

- As in Roe v. Wade.

- Jane Roe's case
changed the country.

all: Pro-choice!
Pro-choice!

Pro-choice! Pro-choice!

Pro-choice! Pro-choice!
Pro-choice!

- Under the name Jane Roe...

- The anonymous plaintiff
in the landmark Roe v. Wade

abortion rights case...

- Affirming a woman's
right to choose...

- Norma McCorvey...
- Is by her own estimation

perhaps the most famous
cleaning woman in America.

all: Pro-choice!
Freedom is...

Pro-choice!
Freedom is...

Pro-choice!
Freedom is...

Pro-choice!

- Norma McCorvey
became the embodiment

of the pro-choice cause.

- A perfect symbol
of the movement.

- Norma, why are you
doing this?

- Jane Roe's story
was a terrible one...

- Unmarried, pregnant,
and dirt poor..

- A drug addict and dealer,
an alcoholic.

She had dabbled in the occult.

- Norma, you've allowed
the killing

of over 35 million children.

- Abortion, one of the most
divisive issues of the decade.

- Few issues in America
have generated

such strong feelings
for and against.

- Either a cherished
freedom...

Or a hated target.

- The furious battle
that rages

around all that her name
has stood for.

- Then, in the spring of 1995,
the unbelievable happened.

- An extraordinary
development today

in the politics of abortion.

- McCorvey did something
that will shock people

on both sides of the debate.

- How did it get that bad?
Explain that.

- You couldn't have come
further, could you?

- Ms. McCorvey, what happened?

- I'm just reading that sign
over there.

"No boats or floats,
no glass containers,

no wading or swimming,
but enjoy your stay here."

Commissioner
in precinct number three,

well, he's an asshole.

"But outside that, you know,
enjoy our park."

Everything's got
so many damn rules.

I think they suck.

I learned straight-on

that if you're nice
and quiet and polite,

nobody pays any attention
to you, and I like attention.

"Tomorrow and tomorrow
and tomorrow

"creeps in its petty pace
from day to day

"to the last syllable
of record time.

"Ah, but what is life
but an act upon the stage

signifying nothing?"

- What's that?

- Third act, "Macbeth,"
Shakespeare.

- Why do you like that bit?

- You know, Macbeth was just
a cool guy.

Here you go, baby.

- What did you want to be
when you were young?

- When I was young?
A movie star.

They went to all these
glamorous places,

and they got to fly
on airplanes

and smoke cigarettes out of
those long cigarette holders.

I mean, it just looked
like such fun.

- Do you miss your family?

- You know, you can't miss
anything you never had.

I came from
a very rough childhood.

We were poor.

It wasn't a happy time at all.

It was always survival.

My mom,

she was a bitch.

You know,
she was just a two-faced bitch.

She didn't want to have
a second child, me.

It's just that simple.

She was a drunk.

She'd got a taste
of the party life,

and she didn't want to let go.

My dad just got through
with it.

He packed up his truck
and took off.

Once she started drinking,
I really didn't want

to be around her.

She'd get up,
and she'd slap me.

It would make me feel
insignificant

and worthless.

And so I asked my friend Rita,

"Do you want
to run away with me?"

She said, "Well,
where would we run away to?"

And I said, "Oklahoma City."

To get to Oklahoma City,
we had to rob the gas station.

I was 10 or 11.

I went over there and opened
the drawer up real quietly.

I stuck my hand in the drawer,
and I got all the money out,

and I thought,
"God, I feel bad."

The only hotel we could find
was called the Black Hotel.

The maid walked in on us
and caught us kissing,

Rita and I kissing.

She called the police on us.

Anytime you do anything out
of the mainframe of society,

it's considered dirty.

- She ran away
with another girl

and was arrested,

basically,
in the Oklahoma City hotel room

where they'd scammed
their way in.

By and by,
a police detective came by,

took Norma aside,

told her
she was in big trouble,

and asked her
if she had committed sodomy,

so she said no,

and then she turned to him
and said,

"Are you asking whether I put
my hand in her underpants?

Yeah, I did that."

- Eventually,
they sent me

to Gainesville State School
for Girls.

It's a reform school.

You go there to get reformed

if you've been bad.

I was, like, so young.

I was sentenced
at ten years old,

and I resented it
a great deal,

but once I got there and I saw

that it wasn't a dungeon,

it was okay.

Gainesville was a trip...

It's wall-to-wall women.

My God, I never saw
so many boobs in my life...

Tons of girlfriends.

I stayed there till I was 15.

- Just after she'd come back
from reform school,

she was farmed out

to live with somebody
who had an extra room.

- A relative.

- And she was sexually abused
by that--that man.

- I was just a kid.

It was extremely hard for me
to tell my mom

what he was doing to me.

- It completely messed up
her feelings

about love and acceptance.

- I felt like I was out
in the cold.

- There were many instances
in her early life

where she really was
seriously exploited

and harmed and abused,

so I think she became
used to that idea.

That sort of became
her identity in a way,

and she never went and got
really help

to deal with the abuses.

You know,
those don't go away.

- This is my room
at the nursing home.

That's a picture of Jesus.

He's my boyfriend.

This reminds me
of the pyramids of Egypt,

and then this
is a little number

that I picked up
at a flea market.

I'm a very glamorous person.

I can't help it. It's a gift.

These are my house shoes
that my daughter brought me.

- They're quite femme.

- Yeah, I guess they are.

I would consider myself
more butch than I would femme.

Reason beings--well,
I can't tell you the reason.

I spend most of my days now
coloring.

I try to keep away from people.

I was here five months before
they even got a handle on me,

and I was very happy
just being Norma McCorvey,

but now that they know
that I'm Jane Roe,

or AKA Jane Roe,

um...I feel as though
they look at me differently.

It was 1969.

I was pregnant for the second
time out of wedlock.

I was a street person,

a drug addict.

I was a drunk.

I had told the doctor
that I had been raped.

That's why I wanted
to have an abortion.

"Norma," he says,
"Tell me about the rape,"

and he asked me
a series of questions like,

"Well, the man who raped you,
was he black?"

What difference does it make?

I was raped, period.

I went to the illegal
underground abortion doctor

in an old,
rundown part of Dallas.

It was filth and cockroaches.

I was scared.

A lot of women
didn't make it out.

They would bleed to death.

I got out while I could.

I went to
an adoption attorney,

and then he told me
about these two attorneys,

Sarah Weddington
and Linda Coffee,

who had just recently
graduated law school,

and they were looking
for a plaintiff

to help them overturn
the Texas abortion laws.

- They needed a poor woman
who could not afford

to travel to one of the states
where abortion was legal.

She was the person who really
fit all the criterion

that they needed.

- Sarah says,
"Do you think that women

should have the right
to control their own bodies?"

I know how I felt

when I found out
that I was pregnant.

And I wasn't gonna let

another woman feel that way,

not cheap, dirty, and no-good.

Women make mistakes,

and they make mistakes
with men, and things happen,

so it's just--

it's just Mother Nature
at work, you know?

And you can't--

you can't stop it.

You can't explain it.

It's just something
that happens.

I signed the affidavit
that brought Roe versus Wade

into being March of 1970.

- We'll hear arguments
for Roe against Wade.

Thank you.

- We do not ask this court

to rule that abortion
is good or desirable.

We are here to advocate
that the decision

as to whether or not
a particular woman

will continue to carry
or will terminate a pregnancy

is a decision that should
be made by that individual.

- Good evening.
In a landmark ruling,

the Supreme Court today
legalized abortion.

The majority had said that the
decision to end a pregnancy

belongs to the woman and her
doctor, not the government.

- What the court decided
was that women

all over the country
in every state

would have the right
to choose abortion

and that
in the first trimester

the state could not interfere.

- I read about the decision
in the paper

like mostly
everybody else did.

My phone rang.

It was Sarah,

and she said, "We won,"

and I said,
"No, Sarah, you won."

She says,
"Well, I thought that maybe

you would be excited."

And I said,
"Why would I be excited?

"I had a baby,
but I gave her away.

It's for all the women
to come after me."

- Okay,
we're off to the abortion mill.

They've been killing babies
for a long, long time.

- What was it that spurred you
to become an activist?

- I'm not an activist.
I'm a Christian.

Now, I was an activist
when I was protesting

the Vietnam War,
when we were out there,

"One, two, three, four,
we don't want your effing war."

I owned a saloon called
the Mad Hatter

down in Kissimmee, Florida.

I was just a drunken,
alcoholic buffoon

who was absolutely pro-death.

I wanted--I was--I wanted women
to be able to have an abortion,

because, you know,
well, what easier way?

You get a girl pregnant,
you just--you don't have to

send her,
you know, to Puerto Rico.

You can just go down
to the local abortion mill,

get it taken care of,
and that's it.

That's where I was;
that's who I was.

I wanted to abort my twin boys
when my--when I found out

my wife was pregnant with--
with the boys.

I wanted to abort them.

That was--that's the way

that we dealt with things
before I met Jesus.

I came to the realization
that abortion was murder.

If you say that abortion
is murder,

you need to act
like it's murder.

Want me to introduce you
to these guys?

Here's Colin.
He escaped.

That--this guy--

this guy is Malachi.

We named him Malachi,

and this has been
an eloquent voice

for little baby boys and girls

and for mamas
to change their mind,

to realize
what they're really doing.

Ma'am, please,
there is a God in heaven,

and he's calling to you today.

Don't walk in that door.

I can tell you exactly
what's gonna happen today.

- Somebody is going to die
here today.

The question is,
who will that somebody be?

You can do all you want to try
and cover up and hide the sound

and not give moms a choice.

You go ahead and do that.

- But it's not gonna work.

They're doing everything
they can to shut us up,

to drown us out.

They try so hard
to cover up the truth

that will set you free.

I'd spent time in jail,

but I have spent many more days
and weeks and months in jail

after knowing Jesus than I did
before I met Him.

- Reverend Flip Benham
is currently serving

a 90-day sentence
for trespassing

in an abortion clinic.

- Flip Benham terrorized,
really,

many clinics all over
the country, including ours.

- Chief! Chief, arrest us!

- He was a constant harasser,

that sort of unctuous,
sort of suave, you know,

"I'm the savior
of the anti-abortion movement."

- Do you guys need to be
arrested or what?

Yes!

- Chief!

- I think he thought that
he was gonna be the new face

of Operation Rescue.

- Since the Roe versus Wade
decision legalized

child killing in 1973,

Christians are finally
facing the reality

that God is calling them
to rescue the children.

- In the mid-'80s,

during Ronald Reagan's term
in the White House,

abortion really roared
to the front burner

of American
political consciousness.

Roe v. Wade was at
the center of that.

It represented
the most loathsome

and terrible practices
in our society,

killing children.

We came to call it
the pro-death movement.

- You are have far more value
than your boobs.

- We should have housing--
- Far more value

in the eyes of God
than your two boobs.

I was an activist
with Operation Rescue

and other pro-life groups.

- Get up!

Get up! Get up!

- Ahh!

- We lay ourselves down
at those doors

between the abortionist
and his little victim.

- Down on your knees!
Down on your...

- We would blockade clinics.

- Don't kill your baby, lady!
Please don't!

- The jaws of death
await you, woman.

- We would berate women.

- It's murder!

You're killing babies!
Murder is killing babies!

- "You're going to murder
your child.

You're murdering your baby."

- I'm telling you no one
will control my body.

- Counter-protestors
on the sidewalks

screaming at each other.

Fights broke out.

- Operation Rescue members
have a radical technique

for shocking people with the
gruesome reality of abortion.

- We brought actual fetal
remains to the sites.

- That is the movement,

the movement that has been
absolutely clear

about its willingness
to use violence against people.

- They did death threats
and bomb threats.

We had many, many times

when we had to evacuate
our clinic, calls to my home,

"We're gonna cut you up
in little pieces."

- Most of those arrested
are being charged

with disorderly conduct.

- What they have done is,
over and over,

used terrorism,
fear tactics.

- We were handcuffed, dragged.

You feel morally vindicated.

And we pray your...

We had to shut down
the clinic.

We would win this.

- A lot of people are still
very shocked

to find out that I've never had
an abortion.

When I was 15,
I was working at the drive-in.

That's where I met Woody.

He's a customer, right?

I'm a stupid little carhop.

I go skating out there,
you know,

"Hi, my name's Norma.

Can I take your order?"
and he says, "Yeah."

He says,
"Give me a fur burger,"

and I said, "A what?"

"A fur burger."

I was a kid.
I was still a kid.

I mean, you know,
totally oblivious.

And I said,
"I don't think we have

any of those tonight."

Well, he started laughing.

I said, "Go away. Shoo, shoo."

I said,
"I'm being nice now,"

and he says, "Come on.
Let me take you home."

He was good-looking.

I knew he had a lot of money.

We spent the night together.

Then my mom, she says,

"Well, if you're gonna sleep
with him,

might as well just go ahead
and get married."

I married Woody about
a year later when I was 16.

He was 22.

One day he came home.

I looked at him,
and I said, "I'm pregnant,"

and he turned around,
and he--he hit me.

He says, "You've been sleeping
with somebody else."

I wasn't gonna live like that.

I threw his ass out.

You don't want to fuck with me.

I had Missy.

She was a cute baby.

My stepfather and my mother

was taking care of Melissa
for me,

and they found out
that I was out with a girl.

I love flirting.

I was a sucker for blondes,
you know, and redheads.

Oh, God.

My mom told me,

"You going around with
those queers has got to stop."

- A lot of people thought
that gay people

were child molesters,

that gay people should not be
in the company of children.

- My mom took my first daughter
away from me

through the courts.

She lied, and...

She told them
that I was flamboyant drunk,

a lesbian,

and unable to care
for the child,

so the courts believed her.

They didn't believe me.

In fact, they didn't even
want to talk to me.

- One of the things I think
that happened sometimes

with Norma
is that the story she ended up

telling herself was of her
as the victim,

because she felt
a lot of sadness.

If she wasn't able
to take care of her daughter,

in a way, it was easier
to blame her mother.

That absolves her.

- I've got quarters
for the jukebox.

- Good.

Yeah, when I met Connie,
it was the summer of '70.

- Yeah, that's right.
- '70.

- I met you shortly after
you had the--

- The Roe baby.

- The Roe baby.
- Yeah.

- Where we going,
the same place we always go?

- Yeah.

Here, you want these?

I didn't have a job,
didn't have money, you know,

same old, same old,
so I went into Connie's store,

and I ripped off
a can of chicken noodle soup

and a Coke and some crackers,

and I got midway to the door,

and she says,
"Hey, I can call the police,"

and I offered to clean all
the floors in the store for--

for stealing from Connie.

And then she gave me
her brand-new red Plymouth Fury

and her credit card,
and she says,

"Here, why don't you
take my car and have it washed

and gassed up?"
I said, "Okay."

- And my roommate said,
"Well, who'd you let

borrow your car?"

I said, "This girl I just met."

I said, "She's real tiny,
real pretty.

She weighs maybe
about 100 pounds."

"Oh, I know who that is.
That's Pixie. Oh, she's bad."

I said,
"Nah, I don't think so."

"Yeah, she's bad," and I said,
"Well, whatever," you know?

Just, "Well, we'll wait and see
if she brings my car back,"

and she did.

With a big old smile
on her face, she said,

"I washed your car."

- That is so pretty.

Isn't that adorable?

- Look at this.
- Oh, it's a cookie jar.

- Since 1973, the abortion
debate has been mainly vocal

but increasingly
has turned violent.

- Christmas Day 1984,

four abortion clinics
are bombed.

Two years later,
an anti-abortion activist

arrives in town with bombs
in his car trunk.

- With all the bombings
that were going on

in the abortion clinics,

the flyers...

I thought, "Well,
I've got something to say,

"and I'm gonna start
getting out there,

and I'm gonna start
speaking up."

I'm very saddened

that other people
want to abolish something

that women
should naturally already have.

- Mm-hmm. Have you had any--
any change of heart at all

in the nine years since?

- None whatsoever.

all: Pro-choice is pro-death!
Pro-choice is pro-death!

Pro-choice is pro-death!

Pro-choice is pro-death!

- Norma came to one
of our events,

and I'm gonna think maybe
it was a clinic open house.

- We were down at the
Routh Street Women's Clinic,

and we were doing
a lot of picket signs,

and Charlotte came back over
to where I was sitting.

- And she just came and
introduced herself and said...

- "Oh, hello.
My name's Jane Roe."

- And we said,
"Oh, well, welcome.

How--thank you for coming,"
you know?

Norma was charming.

She had sort of a wry
sense of humor.

She was very pro-choice.
She said, "I want to help."

- The Supreme Court
represents a threat

to our personal privacy.

- But it really didn't take
too long to recognize

that being friends with Norma
was a complicated experience.

- I was doing an interview
with Carl Rowan.

Carl had came to my house
with his crew,

and he says,
"Norma, I want to talk to you

about the rape."

I went to my doctor.

He confirmed
that I was pregnant,

and I told him
I wanted an abortion.

- You were raped?

- I thought,
"I'll just go ahead

and tell the truth.
Why not?"

No, I wasn't.

- You were not?
- No, I wasn't.

- Oh. So all those stories
are not true?

- Yes, sir, yes.

- They are not true?
- Right.

- It just shocked me,
and I just thought, "Oh, no."

Roe versus Wade had nothing to
do with whether she was raped.

There was absolutely
no mention

in the Roe versus Wade
decision,

but most people think
that Roe versus Wade

was decided
because the woman was raped,

so now she's lied.

She wasn't raped,
so Roe versus Wade is invalid.

That's--I think many people
thought that.

- It is the home
of Norma McCorvey,

buckshots in the front door
the only signs of the terror

seen here early Tuesday.

- Some people came by
and shot up my car

at 4:40 a.m. in the morning.

They turned around.

They shot out
my living room windows,

blew away my storm door.

- Some pro-choice group
members say with several

abortion rallies planned
for this weekend,

what happened here
may be the tip of the iceberg.

- I've basically just been
hiding out in hotels

to which I cannot afford.

- No word on whether
the shooting incident

will keep McCorvey
from speaking

at an abortion rally
in Washington this Sunday.

- That's when I made
my decision

about going
to the Washington march.

- Check, one, two.

- World News Sunday.

- Good evening.

Not since the height
of the Vietnam War

have so many people marched
in Washington as did today

in the name
of legalized abortion.

- They came from all over
because of their concern

that the Supreme Court
may reverse the right

to a legal abortion.

Leading the protest
was a large contingent

of celebrities.

- And I'm here to say
to the Supreme Court,

I will make it my job

to make sure that we have safe,
clean abortion.

- I met Norma McCorvey at

the huge pro-choice rally

in Washington, D.C.

It was a chance meeting.

She told me who she was,

and I asked her if she was
speaking at the rally,

and she said she had
not been invited to speak.

She was very upset.

She felt that she was
an activist

and wanted to be an activist

in support of the right
to choose abortion.

- I would like to introduce
some of the very special people

who are here today

and whose presence has
a very important significance.

First, Cybil Shepherd.

- Thank you for coming.

- The pro-choice people,

they never gave me
an opportunity.

You know, they just, "Well, no,
she can't speak."

What?

- She was not the poster girl
that...

would have been helpful
to the pro-choice movement.

However, an articulate,
educated person could not have

been the plaintiff
in Roe versus Wade.

- The battle is not over today.

- I'm a very uneducated person.

I'm not a demure, quiet,
picture-perfect,

white-gloved lady.

- Abortion must be legal,
safe, accessible.

- After the rape thing,
they didn't feel like

she would help protect
Roe versus Wade.

Even if she wanted to do that,
they were scared.

- She felt that she had been
denied the opportunity

to be recognized
and be acknowledged.

- Which really set me on fire.

"I'll do it now
just to show you I can do it."

- And I'd like to introduce
Norma McCorvey,

also known as Jane Roe,

the plaintiff
in the very famous

Roe versus Wade
Supreme Court decision.

- It's been hard enough for me
to come out as Jane Roe

and to step into the limelight,
so to speak.

- She's here today coming out
of hiding for this,

and we appreciate her courage.

Don't we?
- Whoo!

- We did tons of media.

Gloria and I just fell in like
with each other.

- Well, that's the way
it was back in 1969,

especially in Texas.
- When you say,

"That's the way it was,"
what are you referring to?

- Well, lying to get--
try to get--

to try to get an abortion.

- Excuse me, I don't think
that she has capitalized

on this at all.

To the contrary,

it has cost her physically,
emotionally, financially.

- I don't charge very much.

- I clean houses,
condos, apartments.

Why, does anybody here
need a good housecleaning lady?

She flew Connie and I out
to Southern California.

- May I wish you the very best?
- Thank you very much.

- Really.

- You're kind of like
a hick out of Hickville.

Mmm, that's good.

We did something, like,

54 or 56 interviews in a week.

Right to life!

- Some of them
may never come...

You don't care
if women die.

- Then we went to fight
Operation Rescue.

- Freedom is...
all: Pro-choice!

- Freedom is...
all: Pro-choice!

- They were chanting about,
"Jane Roe, total lie,

that's why all the babies die,"

or something like that;
I'm going, like,

"Oh, please, I could think
of something better than that,

you know, in my sleep."

all: Pro-choice! Pro-choice!
Pro-choice!

Pro-choice! Pro-choice!

- For us,
Jane Roe was like Adolf Hitler

or a Goebbels would be
with the Holocaust.

She was the face of

this evil
that was brought on our country

by the Roe v. Wade decision.

- It's ludicrous.

They are sending women back
to the back streets.

Abortion will continue
whether it is legal or not.

Women will die from this.

Jane Roe is every woman

who's ever been denied
anything in her whole life,

because we've all been denied
something at some point,

so we're all Jane Roes.

- She was the star
on the pro-abortion side,

and her presence
couldn't possibly be ignored.

- The nominees are

Holly Hunter
for "Roe versus Wade."

- We warned you
that this might happen

way back when we first met you.

- You let me think that,
and you let me hope,

and now I gotta have this baby,
and I can't even find a job?

- And the Emmy goes to...
Holly Hunter.

- I would really like to thank
the real-life Jane Roe,

Norma McCorvey,
for continuing to fight.

- Thou shalt not kill!

Read the Ten Commandments.
Pick up a Bible.

- Back in Dallas, I was still
working in an abortion clinic.

- Behind me here
is an abortion mill,

where little baby boys
and girls die,

and outside
of the abortion mill

are Christian moms and dads,
grandmas and grandpas

living out their faith
in the streets.

- The pro-lifers were out
on the sidewalk

every weekend.

- Baby killer!

- They used to block
the doors,

holler at the women,

"Don't go in there
and kill your baby!"

And I'd say,
"Oh, shit, shut up."

I had a job to counsel women

to make sure
that they were making

the right decisions
for themselves.

- Would you ladies
please consider the child

you're carrying?

- And I've told I don't know
how many young women,

"As long as you think
you're doing right,

then you're doing right."

How would they feel if we went
to their churches and said,

"No, you can't go in there?"

- Jane Roe was
the poster child for abortion.

She was their prize,

and there was talk that--

that that had to be dealt with.

- One Thursday morning
Connie called me from work,

'cause we worked
at the same clinic.

- I called her, and I told her,
I said,

"You'll never believe
who's moving next door,"

and she said, "Who?"
I said, "You're not gonna--

in a million years,
you'd never guess."

"Well, tell me."

"Operation Rescue."

- Norma McCorvey has
an unwelcome new neighbor,

Operation Rescue and its
national director, Flip Benham.

- We've come to live
right next to this place

and give mothers
an informed choice.

God just worked a miracle
so that we could move

right next door to her office,

Choice for Women.

- They told me
it was just an accident.

I'm going like...

"Listen, Flip,
don't try to con an old con."

- She was just spitting
and fuming

and calling me every f-word
that she could,

because the f-word
was one of her favorites,

and that--and I was that.

- I told them they were
damn liars

and that they better check
with their God

to make sure that they were
still gonna go to heaven.

- She would call up
and put crazy things,

like, on our recordo-phone,
saying, "Hey, we're ha--listen,

"we're having
barbecued babies today.

"Would you like some, Flip?

"Would you like to come over

and have some barbecued babies
with us today?"

And I'm going...

- One day I was sitting
on a bench having a cigarette.

He come over there,
and he says,

"Can I have a seat here?"

And I said, "Well," I said,

"There's been abortion ass
sitting over here."

I said, "If you can sit
on abortion ass,"

I said, "Go for it."

- He got to talking to her
and being nice to her

and being phony,
like he can be

when he's talking to somebody
he wants to get over.

- I can remember the day,

and her little truck
was parked right over here.

I imagine she's still got
that red, ugly truck.

And I said, "Ms. Norma,

Ms. Norma,
what are we gonna do?"

And she said,
"Well, I don't know,"

and that was the first time she
actually communicated with me,

and I said, "Would you
come here with me for a minute?

I have something
I want to tell you,"

and there was a bench
right here,

and she and I sat down.

She sat on this side,
and I sat here.

- That's when he gave me
his testimony,

and he was a badass,

a sinner just like
everyone else, womanizer.

You know, he did it all.

It's kind of like my life.

- When I saw this lady
who was totally lost

in her own mess, I saw me.

I knew--I knew--
I knew what she needed.

- Then he--

he just fell kind of quiet,

and he said,

"Do you like
what you're doing?"

- Ms. Norma,
do you have the assurance

that your sins are forgiven

through Jesus Christ,
our Lord?

- Yes, I do.

- Do you renounce the devil
and his works

and the sinful desires
of the flesh?

- Yes, I do.

- It's all forgiven.

You're brand-new.

Nobody could do that but Jesus.

I baptize you in the name
of the Father and of the Son

and of the Holy Spirit.

- Hallelujah.
- Amen.

- Hallelujah.
Whoo!

- Amen.
- Hallelujah!

Here she is,

Ms. Norma Leah McCorvey,

born-again Christian!

- Hallelujah!
- Hallelujah!

When she jumped
from spawn of Satan

to a child of God,

it just turned everything
in this world upside-down.

- The Jane Roe
in Roe versus Wade,

the case
that legalized abortion,

says she's joining
one of the most controversial

anti-abortion groups
in America, Operation Rescue.

- Norma McCorvey has joined
a leading anti-abortion group

and found religion.

- The pro-lifers have shown me
what it's like

to be a human being

for the very first time
in my whole life.

They've loved me.

They've nurtured me,

and they've cared for me.

I've never felt so good
about being a woman

or about being just a person

than I have from these people.

- Part of what
the anti-abortion movement had

that we did not have was,

"Here--if you come here,
you're gonna be good.

"We're the good ones.

We're the ones with God."

- I think she's looking
for something

that feels like the answer,

and a vulnerable,
impressionable person,

frankly, is being exploited
by a very clever leader.

She's looking for--for peace.

- Are you interested in
using her as a trophy at all?

- No.

There--there is no trophy
for us. It is--

- Come on.
- You've gotta understand--

- Would you care just as much
about anybody else

as you do Norma McCorvey?

- Well, you know,
God has given Norma to us.

- I...

see so many unusual
turns of events

that I'm not shocked

by much anymore,

but I...

Was surprised.

- The leaders of the pro-choice
movement were devastated,

and once more they said,
"See? We couldn't trust her."

I can imagine people,

regular old people
reading the newspaper

or seeing it on television,
thinking,

"If Jane Roe is against
abortion, it must be wrong."

- All I'm simply doing
is watching out

for Norma's salvation
and Norma's ass,

and it's just that simple.

- Now the media instead of
being friendly toward her,

all they wanted to do
is shut her up

and beat her out of the way,

and that's what they do,
and that's what the media does,

and that's what the media
tried to do to her.

- Ms. McCorvey, what happened?

- Well, I've modified
my rel--religious path.

- Right.
- Now I've changed

my position on choice.

- You realize that over
the years you became something

of a symbol
of a woman's right to choose.

You must have given
a great deal of thought

over these
last few weeks and months

about the impact
that you're going to have

on the movement itself.

Do you care?
- I'm doing this for me.

I'm not doing it
for anyone else.

- Does it occur to you that
you may also be being used now

by the Operation Rescue people
for their purposes?

- No, sir, and they--I will not
let them use me.

- That was like being given

the Academy Award.

She was our Oscar,

and we were gonna put her
on the mantel

and show her off to the world.

I set out immediately to bring
her to Washington, D.C.,

and put her
on a national stage.

There was nobody like Norma
in our movement, nobody.

- Could you tell us why
you're here this weekend and...

- Well, I'm here this weekend

to speak here
in Washington, D.C.

Um...

I've never had
that privilege before,

and the pro-life movement
that I've encompassed now

has given me that opportunity.

- The whole event
was structured

as a memorial service,
a kind of funeral.

We actually had fetal remains

in a tiny casket.

We were there mourning
for millions

of unborn children,

and Norma's presence

validated that,
because, of course,

she was the cause
of all this death.

We are here to proclaim
that Jane Roe is dead,

and Norma McCorvey
lives in Jesus' name!

Hallelujah!

- I'm sorry.

I'm sorry for being so,

so terribly,
terribly dumb

and so, so naive.

I thought I was doing
something right.

I didn't realize

that I would be leading
innocent children

to a senseless...

- It's all right.

- Come on, Ms. Norma.

- And terrible death.

- There is someone
who would like to say

and do something special
for you today.

- I believe I speak
for all of us

when we say
we forgive you in Jesus' name.

- It was not just a comeback.

It was a comeback
with such adulation,

because the antis
were so thrilled.

- Jane Roe was now
on our side.

We were winning
this social war.

- It's hard for me to imagine
how she came to terms with--

oh, I don't know--betrayal.

It's a betrayal that she did.

- These are just
different trinkets

that I've held on to
over the years.

That's a big pair
of gold earrings...

A pair of diamond earrings
that Connie gave me.

When I first saw them,
I went, "Oh."

I love them.
I do, I love them.

I wore 'em day and night.

- Did Connie used to spoil you?
- Of course she did,

and I spoiled her
just as badly.

I don't bring 'em out
very often.

Sometimes they remind me
of good things.

Sometimes they remind me
of bad things,

bad times.

- Ms. Connie and Ms. Norma,

they were in that relationship
for a long, long time.

But when Ms. Norma came
to know Jesus,

that meant that there's gonna
be some lifestyle changes.

And we talked to them,
that homosexuality

destroys those who practice it

and destroy nations
that approve of that behavior,

and God calls it a sin.

Now, that's not me
being judgmental.

That's just what the truth is.

Am I gonna just give in
to my every desire?

Am I gonna just eat bonbons
for the rest of my life and--

and just grow up
to be a blimp?

Is that what--you know?
And the answer is the--no.

Well, I want bonbons.
I want that. I want that.

That's just who I am.

I want you to let me be me.

- But bonbons are
different than love.

- But that's not love.
That's lust.

And all you have to do
is go into an emergency room

on Friday night
and early Saturday morning

to see what homosexual lust
does to each other

so that they can get
their own satisfaction.

Then after that's done,
they want more.

It just doesn't stop,
so you can't call that love.

- She knew that if it
were known

that she was a lesbian,

she would be kicked out.

- One cannot be

a practicing homosexual

and a Christian
at the same time.

That would be
a distinct impossibility.

- Connie and I are both
learning every day...

That there's certain things
that we can't do

that we used to.

- She had to end
her lesbian relationship

and declare that she was
no longer homosexual.

- Hello.
This is Father Frank Pavone,

director of Priests for Life.

Would you welcome with me
Norma McCorvey?

Thanks for being on the show.

- Thank you
for having me, Father.

- So the Jane Roe
of Roe versus Wade

is now a Christian
and pro-life.

Could you tell us how
that happened?

- I was desperately ashamed
of being Jane Roe

when I was on the other side,

and I was
a real hurting person.

I--I got involved
in alcohol and drugs,

and I lived
a lesbian lifestyle, you know,

for a number of years,
but God's healed all that.

- Praise the Lord.
Wonderful.

And it's--
it's never died down,

and it never will.

- They did not have
any sexual relation

after she gave her heart
to Christ,

as far as I know.

I loved her.

I did.
I loved her with all my heart.

She was a good person.

One part of me says,

I hope that she's not in misery
like she was,

but then another part
of me says,

I wish I could see her,

so...

- Please welcome the amazing
Ms. Norma McCorvey,

former Jane Roe.

- I have vowed to help
do anything

and everything I can do
to overturn Roe versus Wade.

- Norma McCorvey and a team
of lawyers

will argue before the Fifth
Circuit Court of Appeals

that Roe v. Wade
should be overturned.

- We filed over 5,000
testimonies from women

who've gone through
legalized abortion.

A lot of their lives have been

just absolutely miserable
since then.

- You know, there were enough
bad things happening.

For that to be happening,
it was one thing I just,

like, didn't put on my plate,
'cause I--

I couldn't do anything
about it,

so it was like,
"Oh, what? It's Norma."

- Hello. I'm Norma McCorvey.

Today as a born-again
Christian

and a faithful Catholic,
I'm working to reverse Roe.

Your vote could determine

who the next Supreme Court
justice will be,

the one justice who can
either vote to continue Roe

as the law of the land or vote
to overturn that decision.

all: Now and at the hour
of our death.

- Well, I came here to show
my support for life

and to get arrested along
with all the other saints.

- You're under arrest
for trespassing.

- Blessed art thou among women.
- Clear the sidewalk.

- God bless you, Norma.
We're praying for you, sister.

- Norma McCorvey
has been arrested.

- Hopefully it'll bring
a killing to a stop.

- She's American.
We're Americans.

- We were in a lot
of places together.

We were together
for a whole week

in Jackson, Mississippi,
in 2006.

Hundreds of folks
gathered around,

and we were burning
the homosexual flag,

Roe versus Wade,

and the Koran.

- I can't speculate as to why
she did what she did.

Now, whether she really
believes that,

I don't know.

This is my deathbed
confession.

Okay.

- Did they use you as a trophy?
- Of course.

I was the big fish.

I was the big fish.

- Do you think they would say
that you used them?

- Well,
I think it was a mutual thing.

You know, I took their money,
and they put me out

in front of the cameras
and told me what to say,

and that's what I'd say.

- Wow.

- I took their money,
and they put me out

in front of the cameras
and told me what to say,

and that's what I'd say.

- Wow.

Wow.

- Give me an example
of what you'd say.

- "We've gathered here today

"to pay homage to the children

"that are being aborted
in this abortuary.

"We're doing this
because abortion is wrong,

"and I, as the former Jane Roe
of Roe versus Wade,

"do regret signing
the affidavit

for the pro-abortion camps,"
and that was probably about it.

- It was all an act?
- Yeah.

I did it well, too.

I am a good actress.

Of course, I'm not acting now.

I did it well too.

That's--that really hurts,
because...

Shakes.

It's big stakes.
That's all.

It's just really big stakes.

- I had never heard her say
anything like this, never.

But I know what we were doing,

and there were times
I was sure she knew.

And I wondered...

"Is she playing us?"

What I didn't have the guts
to say was,

"Because I know damn well
we're playing her."

What we did with Norma
was highly unethical.

The jig is up.

- Would it be correct to say
that Norma was targeted?

- Sure, Norma was a target.

She was less defended,

more needy.

That was easy to detect,

especially for those of us
who were clergy.

We were used to those
kinds of personalities.

- I got us a tape.

- We saw that
her greatest weaknesses

could be exploited.

- Was she told what to say?

Norma was coached
in what to say.

We were concerned that Norma

might not be rock-solid

on the rights
of the unborn child.

We weren't sure where
she kind of stood on that.

- If a young woman wants
to have an abortion, fine.

You know,
it's no skin off my ass.

You know, that's why
they call it choice.

It's your choice.

- Is it not the case
that you did know

where she stood on that?

- Mm.

Let me start again.

I haven't talked about this
ever publicly.

This is a first.

We were afraid that Norma

might kind of spill the beans
and tell our audience

and the world
through the news coverage

that women had a right

to abortion
in the first trimester.

That was unacceptable,

so we wanted to control
her speech

to make sure
she didn't say that.

- Was she being paid
by Operation Rescue?

- No. No, she was not.

- Yes, Norma would be paid.

At a few points, she was
actually on the payroll,

so to speak.

You know, there were
so many different elements

of the movement that were
cutting checks to Norma.

I--I really will never know

how much was actually given
to her.

Money was a constant source
of tension.

And Norma would complain
that she wasn't

getting enough money.

Her complaints were met
with checks,

several hundred dollars
to a few thousand at a time...

What we called
"benevolence gifts."

There was some worry that if
Norma wasn't paid sufficiently

that she would go back
to the other side.

- She did it for the money.

She said what they wanted
her to say,

and she was willing to do it.

- If Norma was being paid

and she was being told
what to say,

do you see how it would be
difficult for people

to believe any of the things
she said during that era?

- Yes, yes.

One day you're selling Nissan,

and the next day
you're selling Chevys.

It depends on who you're
getting your paycheck from.

- Well, yeah,
but she chose to be used.

That's called work.

That's what--you're getting
paid for doing this.

Are they using you?
Who's using you?

Who has hired you
to do this thing?

Are they using you,
or are you using them?

Which one?

- You know,
for Christians like me...

There is no more important

or authoritative voice

than Jesus,
and He said,

"What does it profit a man

"if he should gain
the whole world

and lose his soul?"

When you do what we did
to Norma...

You lose your soul.

- We're gonna go in there
and have cosmetic surgery.

Oh, that feels good.

- Would you like
something to drink?

- I'll take a mimosa.

Oh, thank you.

Oh.

Well, gee,
someone drank all mine.

- We're about to get
a lot more results.

Stand by. We're gonna go over
to John King.

- I wish I knew
how many abortions

Donald Trump
was responsible for.

I'm sure he's lost count,

you know,
or if he can count that high.

- More results coming in
from Kentucky right now.

- I want Hillary Clinton
to be the president tonight.

- All right,
take a look at this...

- There we go.

- Hillary Clinton has now
taken the lead in Florida

and North Carolina.

- No,
Roe isn't going anywhere, no.

It's not going to be
tampered with.

They can try,

but it's not happening, baby.

Shit.

"Donald Trump will become
the 45th president

of the United States."

When I found out this morning,

I just started shaking,
I mean, you know, trembling.

It's almost--

it's almost dark
inside my brain.

Yeah, I'm gonna go get sick.

- I still identify
as an evangelical,

but I like to think of myself

as lovingly critical
of my community.

I guess in some ways
I'd like to use whatever years

I have remaining to undo

the damage that I did

and that many
movement leaders did

on the pro-life side.

I used to think that
Roe v. Wade

would never be overturned.

I think Roe v. Wade
could be overturned now,

and I think the result of that

would be chaos and pain,

and to impose
that kind of crisis

on a woman is unthinkable.

- I know you are.

- I know you're leaving,
and I love you very much,

and I'm glad
that you were my mom

and that I got to have
this time with you.

But the time we've had,
I really have enjoyed you.

- We love you too, Mom.

- The woman whose case
led to the Roe v. Wade

Supreme Court decision
legalizing abortion has died.

- The Texas native later
expressed remorse

for her role in the case.

- In 1995 McCorvey converted
to evangelical Christianity.

She became a passionate
pro-life advocate.

- Politically, Roe versus Wade
has also remained divisive.

The question now is,
could it be overturned?

- I was sad to hear
the news of her passing.

From a policy standpoint,

I think we're in
a dangerous spot

when it comes to a woman's
right to choose.

- She has left a legacy

that has helped
to protect millions of women.

- Absolutely. Gloria Allred,
thank you so much.

I appreciate your time.
- Thank you.

- Thank you.

- I have been in so many
church services with Ms. Norma,

and this is as quiet as she
has been that I can remember.

When she was baptized,
she came out a new person.

It looked like she'd dropped
30 years from her life.

It was just the sunshine and
the radiance of Almighty God

just pouring out of her,
and you...

- I was quietly hoping
that this

would end up
a kind of intimate affair

where we would really
reflect honestly,

candidly about the woman
we knew

as Norma McCorvey.

- And the poster child
for the pro-choice movement.

- Norma's funeral
was the last public event

where she was exploited

as a trophy for the movement,

as a cardboard cutout.

- This is the truth
that sets people free,

and it was the truth
that set her free.

- They're assholes.

They act--
they all act like God sent them

to preach the Gospel.

- We're going to hear
some quick reflections now

from her daughter Melissa
and granddaughter Jordan.

- I just want to tell everybody
thank you

for all your love
and support for her

and everything everybody's done
for her in the past.

The last few months
of her life,

she started a documentary

to show who she was
in the end and--

and as a person,
just Norma.

- Her whole life was an attempt

to tell her real story.

That never really happened.

I hope it can posthumously.

- God has a plan
for everyone's life.

It was written
in the Book of Life

that I get stomped on
and shit on

and everything like that,

but then in the end
I would prevail.

- Some of you knew Norma
as Ms. Norma.

Some of you knew her
as Jane Roe,

but I knew her as Grandma Mame.

Mame had a very unique way of
making people laugh and smile.

It may not have always been
the most appropriate comments,

but she always noted
what no one else would say.

My grandmother taught me
to believe in myself

and to stand up
for what I believed in.

- Women have been having
abortions

for thousands of years.

If it's just
the woman's choice, then--

and she chooses
to have an abortion,

then it should be safe.

Roe versus Wade
helps save women's lives.

- I couldn't agree more
with Norma.

Unless you can put yourself

in the mind of a woman
facing a pregnancy

she is not ready for,

you cannot pronounce

what she must do.

- I don't really give a damn
what people think.

It's my mind.

They can't tell me
how to think.

They can't tell me what to say.

And they damn sure
can't tell me what to do.

That's the name
of that game.

MAN: I had no idea
what I would find

when I went searching
for my father.

They flashed the Zodiac Killer,
and my heart stopped.

WOMAN: He believes
he is the son of the Zodiac.

I would like to explore the idea

of tokenism
in the workplace,

where one minority is propped up

to cover the experience
of the entire population.

WOMAN: That's interesting.

Wait. Sorry. You're not saying
you feel that way here?

(inhales)

What is Devs?

What is Devs?

What is Devs?

What is Devs?

(horn honks)

What is Devs?

What is Devs?

What is Devs?

GUILLERMO:
The journey was perilous,

but Nandor the Relentless
stood tall and proud.

Thus, the noble vampire set sail
to conquer the new world

for the greater glory
of the undead.

-Does my hair
really look that billowy?
-(wind blows)

Looks fantastic.

I'd never wear anything
like that.

(retching)

(gagging, coughing)

(squeaks)