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This is sort of the documentary
that I would have liked to see
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two years ago when we were making
the decision about Sean's treatment.
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I needed to see this.
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He said he just felt
like he just got lied to.
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He trusted the wrong people.
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And it's obviously cost him
his life.
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As you can see,
this is really working.
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This is healing my body.
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Chemotherapy, I've already had it.
It done me no good.
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Does it make sense
to poison yourself
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back to good health?
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It doesn't. It's not. It's insane.
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Why would you poison yourself
back to good health?
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Sean died in January 2019,
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three years after turning down
hospital treatment
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and deciding he was going
to cure his cancer
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without his doctor's help.
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I'm Layla Wright,
and I'm a journalist from Liverpool.
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I never met Sean, but I'm friends
with his girlfriend Aimee
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and followed his journey online as
he tried to heal himself naturally.
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A year on from his death,
I'm investigating why he turned down
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conventional medicine and the people
he believed were helping him.
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I'm meeting Aimee at the cafe where
she had her first date with Sean.
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He was, like, a foodie, so he knew
all the best places in Liverpool.
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I've known Aimee for years,
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but we became good mates back at uni
just after she met him.
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Sean was just... I'm going to cry.
That's all right.
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He was just so funny. Erm...
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Just like the life and soul
of a party, just so confident.
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Before we met,
I was just in awe of him,
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because he was just so cool.
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He'd be playing the gigs and stuff,
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and, like, me and my friend Erin
would be, like, cheering them on
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and dancing.
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INDIE ROCK MUSIC PLAYS
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Even when he was little, he'd always
be, like, doing the peace signs
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and stuff, and his dress sense
and his hair and his music
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and everything,
how eccentric he was.
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He didn't care what
people thought of...
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You know, he'd walk down
Bell Street with, like,
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a fur coat on
and he just didn't care.
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He was like, "Well, I like it
and this is what I'm doing."
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Maybe that's why he was a musician.
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# How was I supposed to know
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# That you'd walk out that door... #
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Sean and his band were well-known
around Liverpool,
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but just a few months before they
recorded their first album,
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Sean had just got
over the worst time of his life.
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You just don't imagine...
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Mm-hm.
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..that your child's going
to have cancer.
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It just doesn't enter
your head, does it?
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Came back he had Hodgkin's lymphoma.
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And he had to start six months
of chemotherapy,
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and it was gruesome on him.
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He got through that and we thought,
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"This is it, he's going to get
on with his life."
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But Sean was in remission
for less than two years.
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He started getting poorly again
and then they called us in and said
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the cancer was back.
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He had to undergo chemotherapy
with a stem cell transplant.
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Obviously, this was just not
what Sean wanted to hear.
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Didn't want to do it all over again.
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I said, "I know these people who
are supposed to be helping people
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"with cancer,
and his wife's apparently
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"cured her own breast cancer,"
and so on.
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So, with that, Sean says,
"Well, I want to meet them."
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And then, from there,
that's when it all started, really.
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Sean's parents remembered a chance
encounter with a homoeopath called
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Phillip Hughes, who claims he'd
successfully treated his wife Rosa
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for breast cancer.
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Dawn went along
to that first appointment.
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Phil was just talking all
about how damaging chemotherapy is,
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you know, on the human body
and, you know, saying,
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"I've had lots of people come
to my clinic,
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"but by the time I get them,
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"they're shot with all this
chemotherapy, so I can't help them."
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And then he was talking all about
how you can change your diet,
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which can reverse cancer.
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And he'd said that Rosa
had developed breast cancer.
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She's had a lump in her breast
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and she decided not to do
hospital treatments
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and she was going to, you know,
reverse the cancer herself.
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So obviously, Sean's listening
to this thinking,
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"Well, if one person's done it,
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"and then I'm hearing other little
stories off them, I can do this."
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When his cancer returned,
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Sean's doctors told him he had
at least a 50% chance
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of long-term survival if he had
conventional treatment.
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But Sean had decided
he didn't want chemotherapy
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or any hospital treatment.
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Instead, he and Aimee started
spending hours online,
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researching alternatives
and cancer conspiracy theories.
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Just scrolling on Instagram,
there's so many.
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"The pharmaceutical industry
do not create cures.
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"They create customers."
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And people actually, like,
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use memes as, like,
a valid source of information.
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It's quite shocking, really,
isn't it?
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Yeah, they're the type of stuff that
he'd use, like, to justify
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what he was doing and, like,
he'd share things like this as well.
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But then I understand that I was
at one point in a situation
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where I believed this.
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You're in your own bubble.
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It really is, like, radicalisation
is the word I use,
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because I just turned
into a different person.
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Looking back at this now,
it's crazy how
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I ever wrote like this
and thought this.
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I remember from his videos
that at one point Sean believed
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he could reverse his cancer
just by changing his diet.
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So, his diet completely changed
fully. So he went fully organic,
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fully vegan, raw, non-processed,
refined, sugar-free, gluten-free.
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Pretty much everything.
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Just raw foods, mainly.
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He was avoiding certain vegetables
and certain fruits,
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and the sort of list
of things he ate
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just went smaller and smaller
and smaller.
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And some days he just wouldn't eat
because he was afraid
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of what he could and couldn't eat.
He was obsessed with his diet.
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Thank you.
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So, these are like the type of
supplements he'd take,
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like vitamin D3, milk thistle,
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digestive enzymes, B12.
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So he'd pretty much take these types
of supplements every single day.
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Sean, he sort of documented
his journey, didn't he?
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He was... It's almost like he was
an influencer
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for this alternative treatment
world. Yeah, definitely.
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Yeah, he was a little bit
of like a celebrity, really.
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He got, like, thousands of, like,
little followers on Facebook
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and stuff and views on his videos.
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And it was almost like an echo
chamber on the internet -
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all these people,
like, reinforcing his ideas.
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I can't remember what this juice is,
but I think it's just a green one,
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you get handed these every hour
alongside the carrot juice.
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Sean believed he could cure his
cancer by detoxing
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and completely
changing his lifestyle.
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He went vegan, tried cannabis oil
and started doing coffee enemas.
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Sounds disgusting,
but at the end of the day,
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someone's got to talk about it.
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That's an enema bucket.
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That's oil.
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I think you know
what the oil is for.
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HE LAUGHS
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There's the cleaning liquid.
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So, there you have it, folks.
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Here's a big jug of coffee
that's going straight up my ass.
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Now, the reasons behind it,
going up the back...
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..going up the back passage
is that it detoxifies you,
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just pulls all the
crap out of you.
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Now, not to get into gory detail,
but...
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..if you've been eating a Western
diet your whole life - you know,
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processed foods, white bread,
cereal -
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just all this junk that's
got no nutrition in it,
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what happens is, inside your body,
you get plaque on the...
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..on the walls in your bowels.
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So it kind of...
It rips all that out.
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As Sean tried to cure his cancer
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through these alternative
treatments,
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he was also having scans
at Rosa and Phillip Hughes's clinic,
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which he believed
were monitoring his cancer.
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The couple provided them
through their company,
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Medical Thermal Imaging.
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Thermography uses an infrared camera
to take heat pictures of the body.
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They describe their scans
as 100% safe and radiation-free.
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It is legal to offer it, but the NHS
warns that there is no evidence
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that thermography is an effective
way to either test for cancer
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or to monitor its treatment.
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Sean's thermography scans
were a huge part
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of his approach to cancer.
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They were Sean's evidence,
his hope, his confirmation
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that it was working.
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He'd say, you know, "Remember,
this is all backed up by this
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"thermographic scan that my tumours
are shrinking."
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Erm... Yeah, I think they were
pretty much the crux of everything.
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And did they ever...
as far as you're aware... Yeah.
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..encourage Sean to go for
the hospital scans as well,
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or for conventional treatment?
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No, they were totally against it.
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And in Sean's words,
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"It's like carrying a backpack
full of bricks on my back,
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"and then when they tell me
everything's all clear on the scan,
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"it's like taking the backpack off
for a bit and just feeling that
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"weight just disappear off you."
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So, a couple of days ago, Sean's
older brother Kev gave me a call
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and said that he thinks he's managed
to get into Sean's e-mails,
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so I'm just headed there now
to see if we can get in.
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Just kind of get an insight
into how he was thinking.
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Yeah, I'd found an e-mail from
online forums that Sean had been on.
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Basically, what it says is,
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"Over the last year my health
has improved dramatically.
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"The further I walk away
from the doctors, that building
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"and their so-called treatments,
the better I have became.
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"I have even gained one stone
in weight.
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"I get private scans via a
homoeopathic doctor that confirm
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"what I'm doing is working.
I'm curing my own cancer."
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At one stage, he thought his
alternative treatments were working.
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Doctors had only given him eight
months to live without chemotherapy,
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but Sean seemed to be doing
amazingly well.
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His posts caught the attention
of an alternative clinic,
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the Gerson Center in Mexico.
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They invited him over
to stay for free,
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but Sean had to pay
for some treatments.
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He raised thousands of pounds
through fundraising and spent
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at least $500 on laetrile therapy -
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a treatment made
from apricot kernels,
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which carries the risk
of cyanide poisoning.
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Back home, we were all watching
the videos that he posted online.
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I'll give you the sneak peek.
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Everything, down to the scenery,
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the food you're getting served,
the juices, the enemas,
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the laetrile, the IVC.
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Oh, I'll show you something
else, actually.
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Here's an oxygen chamber.
I have to be very quiet because
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someone's currently getting
some treatment done,
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so I'll just show you a quick glance
of what it looks like.
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Everything in here's about healing.
The total opposite of a hospital.
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Anyone from Liverpool,
you go in the Royal Hospital,
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what's the first thing you notice
when you go in there?
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The cold, sterile,
clinical environment.
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And then...
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..you're having to deal
with these "doctors".
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Doctors... Are they real...?
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Are they doctors
or are they pill salesmen?
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I'll leave that up to you to decide,
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because I'm not too
fond of them myself.
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We approached the Gerson Center
for a response.
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Dr Patrick Vickers said...
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He said that Sean didn't stick
to their diet and treatments,
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and it was unfortunate
that he passed away,
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"but it clearly had nothing to do
with our treatment."
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When he got home,
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Sean continued trying different
alternative treatments
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and having thermography scans
with Rosa and Phillip Hughes.
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When he came home from Mexico...
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..he went for a scan and
they said, "We can't see nothing,"
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so obviously Sean's thinking,
"Oh, the cancer's gone."
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Disclaimers on Sean's
scan reports say...
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..and recommend
further clinical investigation.
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However, on reading their reports,
Sean believed his cancer had gone.
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February, 2017.
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August, 2017.
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October, 2017.
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But his mum
knew something wasn't right.
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I'd seen him declining in
his health really rapidly,
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and it got to the point where
he couldn't lie down to sleep,
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he couldn't breathe properly.
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He was in a bad...
He was in a bad way.
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I got him straight to the hospital.
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We didn't even have to wait in A&E
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because they could see
how poorly he was.
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Even one of the nurses said to me,
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"Who has done this to him?"
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For the first time in two years,
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Sean allowed the hospital
to examine him.
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He had that much fluid built up,
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caused through the cancer.
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He had a tumour the size of
a grapefruit in his stomach,
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he had tumours all in his chest
and stuff.
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Just got on the bed with him
and just said, "Come on, Sean..."
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I just said, "Come on, Sean, wake
up, please, you can do this."
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Obviously the scans were giving me
a false hope.
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They were sort of reassuring me,
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up until the point when he actually
went into hospital.
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One of the nurses pulled me aside
on my own and was sort of saying,
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"It doesn't look like he's got
much long left,"
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and that's sort of when I realised,
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"OK, what has been going
on the past two years?
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"He clearly has not been curing
his own cancer.
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"It's just been growing
all this time."
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Doctors started Sean on chemotherapy
immediately,
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but it was too late for the
treatments they'd recommended
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when his cancer first came back.
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He was in and out of hospital
for a year,
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but in the end they said his cancer
had spread too much
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and there was nothing
more they could do.
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I had the...
Essentially the difficult job of...
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..the difficult job of bringing
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someone to terms with their own
death, their own mortality.
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You know, "Time is running out
and you're going to pass away."
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We both sat down, essentially,
on this hospital bed
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that was in the corner
of the living room,
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and...it was like I was
interviewing his life, like...
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I asked him, what was the best
part of it?
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And he said, "The music."
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And then he said he felt it was...
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..he felt it was unfair...
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..that...
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..he only had a short time and...
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..you know, for someone who's...
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..had cancer since the age of 17,
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you never... He never got
to experience the full...
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..years of being in your 20s
or past that.
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And...
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..essentially, he...
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..he realised what was going
to be coming.
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He realised he was passing away
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and that he just wanted
to, you know, die.
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Sean died in January 2019.
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He was just 23.
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Sean's mum told me she feared
other families had lost loved ones
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after trying alternative treatments
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so I started searching.
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Sean's medical team told me his case
is just the tip of the iceberg.
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I've arranged to meet Lorna,
a senior scientist
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at Cambridge University.
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Her mum, Linda, died in 2014.
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We didn't know that she'd had cancer
until she died.
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It was breast cancer.
She caught it really early.
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She was advised to have a mastectomy
and chemotherapy and radiotherapy,
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and told that if she did that
she had really good odds.
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But quite quickly she decided
that she didn't want to do that.
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She went to see Rosa to help
her monitor the growth and spread
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of her cancer using thermal imaging.
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And then...Phillip became
Mum's homoeopath.
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Linda had always been wary
of conventional medicine.
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Soon after she was diagnosed,
she turned down all NHS treatments
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and started taking medicines such
as mistletoe injections
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from a number of alternative
practitioners.
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She had thermography scans with
Rosa Hughes,
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which she thought
were tracking her cancer.
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She was going to the clinic
and saying, "I think it's growing.
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"I'm pretty sure
it's getting bigger."
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And she could feel
it was getting bigger.
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And yet the scans were saying
that it...that it wasn't,
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that it wasn't growing.
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And I think to some extent,
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she was sort of lured into a false
sense of belief.
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Phillip would prescribe her
a new homoeopathic treatment,
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so I think she was sort of reassured
that she was doing something.
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And just how expensive
were these treatments
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that your mum was receiving?
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Oh, she spent a lot of money and,
you know, thousands of pounds on it.
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And that was really difficult
to see
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how much was...she was spending
on supplements
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and on these thermal imaging
treatments.
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Linda started using a corrosive
herbal remedy called black salve,
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which she got from another
alternative therapist.
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She told her GP it was drawing
out her cancer.
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The doctor said to my mum,
"That's an ulcerating...
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"..tumour, and you have
an open wound,"
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and, you know, told Mum the truth.
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And I know that Mum was
very emotional and very upset.
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I think she knew
it was probably too late
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and couldn't face the truth
about what was happening.
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But I think part of her knew.
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Lorna had noticed her mum
behaving strangely.
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But one phone call home made her
realise her mum was really ill.
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I was getting worried at this stage
and I said to her,
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"I think you need to go and see
a doctor," and she said,
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"No, I'm in contact, regular contact
with a homoeopath from Liverpool."
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And at that point, I got a bit cross
and said, you know,
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"Mum, homoeopathy
doesn't...doesn't work."
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And she went quite quiet
at that point,
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but we said our goodbyes.
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And that was the last time
I spoke to her.
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Linda died a couple of days later.
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An inquest found she died
of septicaemia caused
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by the ulceration of her tumour.
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The coroner said Linda
had made her own decisions
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and was beyond persuasion.
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If your mum didn't turn down
conventional treatment,
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do you think she'd still be here
now? Absolutely.
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I've now met two families
whose loved ones believed
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they could cure their cancer
alternatively and took reassurance
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from thermography scans that what
they were doing was working.
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I want to find out for myself
what's going on inside the clinic.
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SAT NAV: The destination
is on your right.
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Medical Thermal Imaging.
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Arrived.
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So we made an appointment, posing
as a patient who'd found a lump.
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This is the clinic where Sean came
for thermographic monitoring.
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This is Rosa Hughes, who provided
scans for Sean and Linda.
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Rosa Hughes was making quite
a lot of medical claims,
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so I wanted to show our
recording to an expert.
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I've come to The Christie
in Manchester
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to meet Professor Andrew Wardley.
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He's an oncologist,
but has also been a patient
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and recovered from leukaemia.
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I started with the footage of Rosa
advising against mammograms.
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That's preposterous.
You don't burst tumours.
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They're solid. You do squash
the breast down to do a mammogram,
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it is unpleasant,
but it's a short-term thing.
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You do not spread cancer
by doing a mammogram.
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That's complete fallacy.
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So, she's using some terms that are
commonly used in in cancer medicine
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and cancer science, but the way
she's applying this is wrong.
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The only way you can prove
it's a cancer is if you'd get
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the tissue out and see cancer cells
under the microscope.
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So, my suspicion would be that
she didn't have a cancer,
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because cancers do not go
away spontaneously.
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Is it possible that she could
have had cancer and recovered
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naturally, like she says?
It's very, very unlikely.
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I've never heard of a spontaneous
remission of a breast cancer.
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She's actually advising people
not to get a diagnosis
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and the treatment options
given to them properly,
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so she's... This is dangerous,
in my opinion.
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I think these sort of things
should be outlawed.
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It makes me very concerned.
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You know, I've been through
the worst treatment
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you can possibly have.
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I've had chemotherapy that
would...did wipe out all of my
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bone marrow, whole-body
radiotherapy,
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and I was extremely ill
and nearly died from the treatment,
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but I would have definitely died
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and died very quickly had I not
had the treatment.
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For people with Hodgkin's disease,
the outcomes are excellent.
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And more and more people are cured
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or kept alive because of drug
treatments that are very effective.
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There's so many things
that make me highly concerned
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about this thing that she's doing,
which is very dangerous.
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We invited Rosa and Phillip Hughes
to an interview.
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In response, they said it is...
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They...
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As regards to Linda Halliday,
they said...
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They said...
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They also said...
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I was really shocked
by what I'd heard
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and wanted to give Aimee
and Dawn an update.
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So, I found out as well that Sean's
testimonial is still being used
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on the Mexico clinic's website.
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AIMEE GASPS
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So, on here, when you go on,
it has, like, success stories.
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They've got here saying that
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Sean's recently returned home and
his scan that he had
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found that the largest tumour
appears to be dead
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with no activity and no signs.
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I mean, all them testimonies
that Sean was reading
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and relying upon, how do we know
that they weren't already dead?
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It's wrong, isn't it?
It needs to take them down.
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We put our allegations to the
Gerson Clinic,
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who have since
removed Sean's testimony.
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They said they will take out
newspaper adverts about our team
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if this documentary went ahead.
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We went undercover at
Rosa and Phil's clinic recently.
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We found out that they're still,
a year on from Sean dying,
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they're still warning people
against hospitals.
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How dare they say that to people?
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They need to stop.
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I don't know how they sleep
at night, to be honest. I don't.
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You're vulnerable
when you've got cancer.
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You're looking to yourself or
put yourself in remission at least,
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or spend as much time with your
loved ones,
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and you are going to
believe certain people
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who are actually making money
out of the cancer industry
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through vulnerable people.
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One of the hardest things
to sort of get over
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in life is betrayal.
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Like, having...having
the carpet took
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from underneath your feet, and
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for him to get to that position...
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..it was...it was
just...heart-breaking.
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Sean introduced me to yoga,
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so it's just really lovely
to carry it on.
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And it's sort of a way for me
to connect with Sean.
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I just want to help other people
and make sure that people aren't
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misled down this path and lose
someone that they love over it.
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It's my duty to get
this message across
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and to get justice for Sean as well.
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When I started following Sean's
attempts to cure himself
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and saw how well he seemed
to be doing,
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I knew one day I'd make
a documentary about him.
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But this is not the film
I expected to make.
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I've seen just how desperate
people can become
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and realise now that the stories
online about cancer cures
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