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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:09,430 --> 00:00:13,430 This is sort of the documentary that I would have liked to see 2 00:00:13,430 --> 00:00:16,950 two years ago when we were making the decision about Sean's treatment. 3 00:00:16,950 --> 00:00:19,350 I needed to see this. 4 00:00:19,350 --> 00:00:24,070 He said he just felt like he just got lied to. 5 00:00:25,470 --> 00:00:27,510 He trusted the wrong people. 6 00:00:30,870 --> 00:00:34,230 And it's obviously cost him his life. 7 00:00:34,230 --> 00:00:36,310 As you can see, this is really working. 8 00:00:36,310 --> 00:00:37,790 This is healing my body. 9 00:00:37,790 --> 00:00:40,390 Chemotherapy, I've already had it. It done me no good. 10 00:00:40,390 --> 00:00:44,070 Does it make sense to poison yourself 11 00:00:44,070 --> 00:00:45,910 back to good health? 12 00:00:45,910 --> 00:00:48,390 It doesn't. It's not. It's insane. 13 00:00:48,390 --> 00:00:51,270 Why would you poison yourself back to good health? 14 00:00:59,350 --> 00:01:01,790 Sean died in January 2019, 15 00:01:01,790 --> 00:01:04,590 three years after turning down hospital treatment 16 00:01:04,590 --> 00:01:06,950 and deciding he was going to cure his cancer 17 00:01:06,950 --> 00:01:08,350 without his doctor's help. 18 00:01:10,110 --> 00:01:13,230 I'm Layla Wright, and I'm a journalist from Liverpool. 19 00:01:13,230 --> 00:01:15,830 I never met Sean, but I'm friends with his girlfriend Aimee 20 00:01:15,830 --> 00:01:19,230 and followed his journey online as he tried to heal himself naturally. 21 00:01:19,230 --> 00:01:22,790 A year on from his death, I'm investigating why he turned down 22 00:01:22,790 --> 00:01:26,390 conventional medicine and the people he believed were helping him. 23 00:01:38,830 --> 00:01:41,750 I'm meeting Aimee at the cafe where she had her first date with Sean. 24 00:01:41,750 --> 00:01:44,790 He was, like, a foodie, so he knew all the best places in Liverpool. 25 00:01:44,790 --> 00:01:46,230 I've known Aimee for years, 26 00:01:46,230 --> 00:01:49,670 but we became good mates back at uni just after she met him. 27 00:01:49,670 --> 00:01:53,230 Sean was just... I'm going to cry. That's all right. 28 00:01:56,990 --> 00:02:00,350 He was just so funny. Erm... 29 00:02:03,990 --> 00:02:07,470 Just like the life and soul of a party, just so confident. 30 00:02:07,470 --> 00:02:09,910 Before we met, I was just in awe of him, 31 00:02:09,910 --> 00:02:11,870 because he was just so cool. 32 00:02:11,870 --> 00:02:14,230 He'd be playing the gigs and stuff, 33 00:02:14,230 --> 00:02:16,910 and, like, me and my friend Erin would be, like, cheering them on 34 00:02:16,910 --> 00:02:18,950 and dancing. 35 00:02:18,950 --> 00:02:22,070 INDIE ROCK MUSIC PLAYS 36 00:02:22,070 --> 00:02:25,310 Even when he was little, he'd always be, like, doing the peace signs 37 00:02:25,310 --> 00:02:30,150 and stuff, and his dress sense and his hair and his music 38 00:02:30,150 --> 00:02:32,470 and everything, how eccentric he was. 39 00:02:32,470 --> 00:02:34,190 He didn't care what people thought of... 40 00:02:34,190 --> 00:02:36,310 You know, he'd walk down Bell Street with, like, 41 00:02:36,310 --> 00:02:38,310 a fur coat on and he just didn't care. 42 00:02:38,310 --> 00:02:41,750 He was like, "Well, I like it and this is what I'm doing." 43 00:02:41,750 --> 00:02:43,630 Maybe that's why he was a musician. 44 00:02:50,190 --> 00:02:54,070 # How was I supposed to know 45 00:02:55,510 --> 00:02:59,870 # That you'd walk out that door... # 46 00:02:59,870 --> 00:03:02,710 Sean and his band were well-known around Liverpool, 47 00:03:02,710 --> 00:03:05,630 but just a few months before they recorded their first album, 48 00:03:05,630 --> 00:03:08,790 Sean had just got over the worst time of his life. 49 00:03:08,790 --> 00:03:10,310 You just don't imagine... 50 00:03:14,590 --> 00:03:16,070 Mm-hm. 51 00:03:17,510 --> 00:03:19,590 ..that your child's going to have cancer. 52 00:03:19,590 --> 00:03:22,470 It just doesn't enter your head, does it? 53 00:03:22,470 --> 00:03:24,950 Came back he had Hodgkin's lymphoma. 54 00:03:24,950 --> 00:03:28,950 And he had to start six months of chemotherapy, 55 00:03:28,950 --> 00:03:31,550 and it was gruesome on him. 56 00:03:31,550 --> 00:03:33,150 He got through that and we thought, 57 00:03:33,150 --> 00:03:35,430 "This is it, he's going to get on with his life." 58 00:03:35,430 --> 00:03:38,350 But Sean was in remission for less than two years. 59 00:03:38,350 --> 00:03:41,870 He started getting poorly again and then they called us in and said 60 00:03:41,870 --> 00:03:43,710 the cancer was back. 61 00:03:43,710 --> 00:03:49,230 He had to undergo chemotherapy with a stem cell transplant. 62 00:03:50,510 --> 00:03:54,190 Obviously, this was just not what Sean wanted to hear. 63 00:03:54,190 --> 00:03:56,430 Didn't want to do it all over again. 64 00:03:56,430 --> 00:04:00,750 I said, "I know these people who are supposed to be helping people 65 00:04:00,750 --> 00:04:03,510 "with cancer, and his wife's apparently 66 00:04:03,510 --> 00:04:06,230 "cured her own breast cancer," and so on. 67 00:04:06,230 --> 00:04:09,990 So, with that, Sean says, "Well, I want to meet them." 68 00:04:09,990 --> 00:04:14,190 And then, from there, that's when it all started, really. 69 00:04:14,190 --> 00:04:17,550 Sean's parents remembered a chance encounter with a homoeopath called 70 00:04:17,550 --> 00:04:20,950 Phillip Hughes, who claims he'd successfully treated his wife Rosa 71 00:04:20,950 --> 00:04:22,510 for breast cancer. 72 00:04:22,510 --> 00:04:25,230 Dawn went along to that first appointment. 73 00:04:25,230 --> 00:04:29,110 Phil was just talking all about how damaging chemotherapy is, 74 00:04:29,110 --> 00:04:31,950 you know, on the human body and, you know, saying, 75 00:04:31,950 --> 00:04:33,710 "I've had lots of people come to my clinic, 76 00:04:33,710 --> 00:04:35,270 "but by the time I get them, 77 00:04:35,270 --> 00:04:38,990 "they're shot with all this chemotherapy, so I can't help them." 78 00:04:38,990 --> 00:04:42,150 And then he was talking all about how you can change your diet, 79 00:04:42,150 --> 00:04:44,390 which can reverse cancer. 80 00:04:44,390 --> 00:04:49,110 And he'd said that Rosa had developed breast cancer. 81 00:04:49,110 --> 00:04:51,230 She's had a lump in her breast 82 00:04:51,230 --> 00:04:56,110 and she decided not to do hospital treatments 83 00:04:56,110 --> 00:05:00,190 and she was going to, you know, reverse the cancer herself. 84 00:05:00,190 --> 00:05:03,110 So obviously, Sean's listening to this thinking, 85 00:05:03,110 --> 00:05:05,070 "Well, if one person's done it, 86 00:05:05,070 --> 00:05:09,590 "and then I'm hearing other little stories off them, I can do this." 87 00:05:09,590 --> 00:05:11,470 When his cancer returned, 88 00:05:11,470 --> 00:05:14,470 Sean's doctors told him he had at least a 50% chance 89 00:05:14,470 --> 00:05:18,390 of long-term survival if he had conventional treatment. 90 00:05:18,390 --> 00:05:21,270 But Sean had decided he didn't want chemotherapy 91 00:05:21,270 --> 00:05:23,190 or any hospital treatment. 92 00:05:23,190 --> 00:05:26,590 Instead, he and Aimee started spending hours online, 93 00:05:26,590 --> 00:05:30,190 researching alternatives and cancer conspiracy theories. 94 00:05:30,190 --> 00:05:32,590 Just scrolling on Instagram, there's so many. 95 00:05:32,590 --> 00:05:34,870 "The pharmaceutical industry do not create cures. 96 00:05:34,870 --> 00:05:36,190 "They create customers." 97 00:05:36,190 --> 00:05:38,030 And people actually, like, 98 00:05:38,030 --> 00:05:41,510 use memes as, like, a valid source of information. 99 00:05:42,790 --> 00:05:44,630 It's quite shocking, really, isn't it? 100 00:05:44,630 --> 00:05:49,950 Yeah, they're the type of stuff that he'd use, like, to justify 101 00:05:49,950 --> 00:05:54,350 what he was doing and, like, he'd share things like this as well. 102 00:05:54,350 --> 00:05:57,390 But then I understand that I was at one point in a situation 103 00:05:57,390 --> 00:05:59,190 where I believed this. 104 00:05:59,190 --> 00:06:00,590 You're in your own bubble. 105 00:06:00,590 --> 00:06:03,110 It really is, like, radicalisation is the word I use, 106 00:06:03,110 --> 00:06:06,150 because I just turned into a different person. 107 00:06:06,150 --> 00:06:08,150 Looking back at this now, it's crazy how 108 00:06:08,150 --> 00:06:11,910 I ever wrote like this and thought this. 109 00:06:11,910 --> 00:06:15,590 I remember from his videos that at one point Sean believed 110 00:06:15,590 --> 00:06:19,030 he could reverse his cancer just by changing his diet. 111 00:06:19,030 --> 00:06:22,070 So, his diet completely changed fully. So he went fully organic, 112 00:06:22,070 --> 00:06:27,830 fully vegan, raw, non-processed, refined, sugar-free, gluten-free. 113 00:06:27,830 --> 00:06:29,190 Pretty much everything. 114 00:06:29,190 --> 00:06:31,550 Just raw foods, mainly. 115 00:06:31,550 --> 00:06:34,070 He was avoiding certain vegetables and certain fruits, 116 00:06:34,070 --> 00:06:35,630 and the sort of list of things he ate 117 00:06:35,630 --> 00:06:37,590 just went smaller and smaller and smaller. 118 00:06:37,590 --> 00:06:40,030 And some days he just wouldn't eat because he was afraid 119 00:06:40,030 --> 00:06:42,750 of what he could and couldn't eat. He was obsessed with his diet. 120 00:06:42,750 --> 00:06:44,430 Thank you. 121 00:06:44,430 --> 00:06:47,110 So, these are like the type of supplements he'd take, 122 00:06:47,110 --> 00:06:49,630 like vitamin D3, milk thistle, 123 00:06:49,630 --> 00:06:51,950 digestive enzymes, B12. 124 00:06:51,950 --> 00:06:56,270 So he'd pretty much take these types of supplements every single day. 125 00:06:56,270 --> 00:06:58,630 Sean, he sort of documented his journey, didn't he? 126 00:06:58,630 --> 00:07:00,950 He was... It's almost like he was an influencer 127 00:07:00,950 --> 00:07:03,390 for this alternative treatment world. Yeah, definitely. 128 00:07:03,390 --> 00:07:05,870 Yeah, he was a little bit of like a celebrity, really. 129 00:07:05,870 --> 00:07:08,750 He got, like, thousands of, like, little followers on Facebook 130 00:07:08,750 --> 00:07:11,230 and stuff and views on his videos. 131 00:07:11,230 --> 00:07:14,910 And it was almost like an echo chamber on the internet - 132 00:07:14,910 --> 00:07:17,590 all these people, like, reinforcing his ideas. 133 00:07:17,590 --> 00:07:20,670 I can't remember what this juice is, but I think it's just a green one, 134 00:07:20,670 --> 00:07:24,510 you get handed these every hour alongside the carrot juice. 135 00:07:24,510 --> 00:07:27,510 Sean believed he could cure his cancer by detoxing 136 00:07:27,510 --> 00:07:29,790 and completely changing his lifestyle. 137 00:07:29,790 --> 00:07:34,030 He went vegan, tried cannabis oil and started doing coffee enemas. 138 00:07:34,030 --> 00:07:36,190 Sounds disgusting, but at the end of the day, 139 00:07:36,190 --> 00:07:38,590 someone's got to talk about it. 140 00:07:38,590 --> 00:07:40,670 That's an enema bucket. 141 00:07:40,670 --> 00:07:42,070 That's oil. 142 00:07:42,070 --> 00:07:43,990 I think you know what the oil is for. 143 00:07:43,990 --> 00:07:45,750 HE LAUGHS 144 00:07:45,750 --> 00:07:47,270 There's the cleaning liquid. 145 00:07:49,350 --> 00:07:51,310 So, there you have it, folks. 146 00:07:51,310 --> 00:07:56,070 Here's a big jug of coffee that's going straight up my ass. 147 00:07:56,070 --> 00:07:59,390 Now, the reasons behind it, going up the back... 148 00:07:59,390 --> 00:08:02,350 ..going up the back passage is that it detoxifies you, 149 00:08:02,350 --> 00:08:05,070 just pulls all the crap out of you. 150 00:08:05,070 --> 00:08:08,190 Now, not to get into gory detail, but... 151 00:08:08,190 --> 00:08:11,590 ..if you've been eating a Western diet your whole life - you know, 152 00:08:11,590 --> 00:08:15,110 processed foods, white bread, cereal - 153 00:08:15,110 --> 00:08:18,070 just all this junk that's got no nutrition in it, 154 00:08:18,070 --> 00:08:22,310 what happens is, inside your body, you get plaque on the... 155 00:08:22,310 --> 00:08:25,310 ..on the walls in your bowels. 156 00:08:25,310 --> 00:08:28,910 So it kind of... It rips all that out. 157 00:08:28,910 --> 00:08:30,830 As Sean tried to cure his cancer 158 00:08:30,830 --> 00:08:32,630 through these alternative treatments, 159 00:08:32,630 --> 00:08:36,070 he was also having scans at Rosa and Phillip Hughes's clinic, 160 00:08:36,070 --> 00:08:39,470 which he believed were monitoring his cancer. 161 00:08:39,470 --> 00:08:41,990 The couple provided them through their company, 162 00:08:41,990 --> 00:08:44,310 Medical Thermal Imaging. 163 00:08:44,310 --> 00:08:49,630 Thermography uses an infrared camera to take heat pictures of the body. 164 00:08:49,630 --> 00:08:54,430 They describe their scans as 100% safe and radiation-free. 165 00:08:54,430 --> 00:08:58,830 It is legal to offer it, but the NHS warns that there is no evidence 166 00:08:58,830 --> 00:09:02,310 that thermography is an effective way to either test for cancer 167 00:09:02,310 --> 00:09:03,910 or to monitor its treatment. 168 00:09:06,150 --> 00:09:08,510 Sean's thermography scans were a huge part 169 00:09:08,510 --> 00:09:10,430 of his approach to cancer. 170 00:09:11,750 --> 00:09:15,390 They were Sean's evidence, his hope, his confirmation 171 00:09:15,390 --> 00:09:17,230 that it was working. 172 00:09:17,230 --> 00:09:19,950 He'd say, you know, "Remember, this is all backed up by this 173 00:09:19,950 --> 00:09:23,430 "thermographic scan that my tumours are shrinking." 174 00:09:23,430 --> 00:09:29,070 Erm... Yeah, I think they were pretty much the crux of everything. 175 00:09:29,070 --> 00:09:32,910 And did they ever... as far as you're aware... Yeah. 176 00:09:32,910 --> 00:09:35,710 ..encourage Sean to go for the hospital scans as well, 177 00:09:35,710 --> 00:09:37,510 or for conventional treatment? 178 00:09:37,510 --> 00:09:39,670 No, they were totally against it. 179 00:09:39,670 --> 00:09:41,470 And in Sean's words, 180 00:09:41,470 --> 00:09:45,390 "It's like carrying a backpack full of bricks on my back, 181 00:09:45,390 --> 00:09:49,030 "and then when they tell me everything's all clear on the scan, 182 00:09:49,030 --> 00:09:52,070 "it's like taking the backpack off for a bit and just feeling that 183 00:09:52,070 --> 00:09:53,990 "weight just disappear off you." 184 00:09:57,510 --> 00:10:00,910 So, a couple of days ago, Sean's older brother Kev gave me a call 185 00:10:00,910 --> 00:10:04,310 and said that he thinks he's managed to get into Sean's e-mails, 186 00:10:04,310 --> 00:10:06,550 so I'm just headed there now to see if we can get in. 187 00:10:06,550 --> 00:10:09,150 Just kind of get an insight into how he was thinking. 188 00:10:12,750 --> 00:10:17,070 Yeah, I'd found an e-mail from online forums that Sean had been on. 189 00:10:17,070 --> 00:10:19,150 Basically, what it says is, 190 00:10:19,150 --> 00:10:22,190 "Over the last year my health has improved dramatically. 191 00:10:22,190 --> 00:10:25,150 "The further I walk away from the doctors, that building 192 00:10:25,150 --> 00:10:28,670 "and their so-called treatments, the better I have became. 193 00:10:28,670 --> 00:10:32,030 "I have even gained one stone in weight. 194 00:10:32,030 --> 00:10:35,630 "I get private scans via a homoeopathic doctor that confirm 195 00:10:35,630 --> 00:10:39,350 "what I'm doing is working. I'm curing my own cancer." 196 00:10:39,350 --> 00:10:42,870 At one stage, he thought his alternative treatments were working. 197 00:10:42,870 --> 00:10:46,630 Doctors had only given him eight months to live without chemotherapy, 198 00:10:46,630 --> 00:10:50,510 but Sean seemed to be doing amazingly well. 199 00:10:50,510 --> 00:10:53,910 His posts caught the attention of an alternative clinic, 200 00:10:53,910 --> 00:10:56,110 the Gerson Center in Mexico. 201 00:10:56,110 --> 00:10:58,190 They invited him over to stay for free, 202 00:10:58,190 --> 00:11:00,630 but Sean had to pay for some treatments. 203 00:11:00,630 --> 00:11:03,790 He raised thousands of pounds through fundraising and spent 204 00:11:03,790 --> 00:11:06,270 at least $500 on laetrile therapy - 205 00:11:06,270 --> 00:11:08,590 a treatment made from apricot kernels, 206 00:11:08,590 --> 00:11:11,630 which carries the risk of cyanide poisoning. 207 00:11:11,630 --> 00:11:15,030 Back home, we were all watching the videos that he posted online. 208 00:11:15,030 --> 00:11:16,830 I'll give you the sneak peek. 209 00:11:20,110 --> 00:11:22,670 Everything, down to the scenery, 210 00:11:22,670 --> 00:11:27,230 the food you're getting served, the juices, the enemas, 211 00:11:27,230 --> 00:11:29,910 the laetrile, the IVC. 212 00:11:29,910 --> 00:11:32,910 Oh, I'll show you something else, actually. 213 00:11:32,910 --> 00:11:35,590 Here's an oxygen chamber. I have to be very quiet because 214 00:11:35,590 --> 00:11:37,910 someone's currently getting some treatment done, 215 00:11:37,910 --> 00:11:41,110 so I'll just show you a quick glance of what it looks like. 216 00:11:41,110 --> 00:11:44,350 Everything in here's about healing. The total opposite of a hospital. 217 00:11:44,350 --> 00:11:47,110 Anyone from Liverpool, you go in the Royal Hospital, 218 00:11:47,110 --> 00:11:49,350 what's the first thing you notice when you go in there? 219 00:11:49,350 --> 00:11:52,150 The cold, sterile, clinical environment. 220 00:11:52,150 --> 00:11:53,870 And then... 221 00:11:53,870 --> 00:11:58,190 ..you're having to deal with these "doctors". 222 00:11:58,190 --> 00:11:59,670 Doctors... Are they real...? 223 00:11:59,670 --> 00:12:01,870 Are they doctors or are they pill salesmen? 224 00:12:01,870 --> 00:12:04,430 I'll leave that up to you to decide, 225 00:12:04,430 --> 00:12:08,070 because I'm not too fond of them myself. 226 00:12:08,070 --> 00:12:10,790 We approached the Gerson Center for a response. 227 00:12:10,790 --> 00:12:12,310 Dr Patrick Vickers said... 228 00:12:24,310 --> 00:12:27,110 He said that Sean didn't stick to their diet and treatments, 229 00:12:27,110 --> 00:12:29,310 and it was unfortunate that he passed away, 230 00:12:29,310 --> 00:12:32,030 "but it clearly had nothing to do with our treatment." 231 00:12:33,430 --> 00:12:34,750 When he got home, 232 00:12:34,750 --> 00:12:37,310 Sean continued trying different alternative treatments 233 00:12:37,310 --> 00:12:40,950 and having thermography scans with Rosa and Phillip Hughes. 234 00:12:40,950 --> 00:12:42,750 When he came home from Mexico... 235 00:12:44,190 --> 00:12:48,230 ..he went for a scan and they said, "We can't see nothing," 236 00:12:48,230 --> 00:12:51,070 so obviously Sean's thinking, "Oh, the cancer's gone." 237 00:12:52,310 --> 00:12:55,790 Disclaimers on Sean's scan reports say... 238 00:12:58,230 --> 00:13:02,110 ..and recommend further clinical investigation. 239 00:13:02,110 --> 00:13:06,390 However, on reading their reports, Sean believed his cancer had gone. 240 00:13:08,270 --> 00:13:09,670 February, 2017. 241 00:13:17,150 --> 00:13:18,870 August, 2017. 242 00:13:27,310 --> 00:13:28,750 October, 2017. 243 00:13:35,310 --> 00:13:38,350 But his mum knew something wasn't right. 244 00:13:38,350 --> 00:13:41,950 I'd seen him declining in his health really rapidly, 245 00:13:41,950 --> 00:13:46,110 and it got to the point where he couldn't lie down to sleep, 246 00:13:46,110 --> 00:13:47,790 he couldn't breathe properly. 247 00:13:47,790 --> 00:13:50,790 He was in a bad... He was in a bad way. 248 00:13:50,790 --> 00:13:52,790 I got him straight to the hospital. 249 00:13:52,790 --> 00:13:54,630 We didn't even have to wait in A&E 250 00:13:54,630 --> 00:13:56,990 because they could see how poorly he was. 251 00:13:56,990 --> 00:13:59,550 Even one of the nurses said to me, 252 00:13:59,550 --> 00:14:00,990 "Who has done this to him?" 253 00:14:03,630 --> 00:14:05,510 For the first time in two years, 254 00:14:05,510 --> 00:14:07,630 Sean allowed the hospital to examine him. 255 00:14:11,590 --> 00:14:14,270 He had that much fluid built up, 256 00:14:14,270 --> 00:14:16,030 caused through the cancer. 257 00:14:16,030 --> 00:14:19,150 He had a tumour the size of a grapefruit in his stomach, 258 00:14:19,150 --> 00:14:22,630 he had tumours all in his chest and stuff. 259 00:14:22,630 --> 00:14:25,670 Just got on the bed with him and just said, "Come on, Sean..." 260 00:14:30,310 --> 00:14:34,070 I just said, "Come on, Sean, wake up, please, you can do this." 261 00:14:34,070 --> 00:14:36,830 Obviously the scans were giving me a false hope. 262 00:14:36,830 --> 00:14:38,830 They were sort of reassuring me, 263 00:14:38,830 --> 00:14:41,230 up until the point when he actually went into hospital. 264 00:14:41,230 --> 00:14:45,070 One of the nurses pulled me aside on my own and was sort of saying, 265 00:14:45,070 --> 00:14:47,550 "It doesn't look like he's got much long left," 266 00:14:47,550 --> 00:14:49,590 and that's sort of when I realised, 267 00:14:49,590 --> 00:14:52,310 "OK, what has been going on the past two years? 268 00:14:52,310 --> 00:14:55,230 "He clearly has not been curing his own cancer. 269 00:14:55,230 --> 00:14:58,150 "It's just been growing all this time." 270 00:14:58,150 --> 00:15:01,030 Doctors started Sean on chemotherapy immediately, 271 00:15:01,030 --> 00:15:03,550 but it was too late for the treatments they'd recommended 272 00:15:03,550 --> 00:15:05,870 when his cancer first came back. 273 00:15:05,870 --> 00:15:08,350 He was in and out of hospital for a year, 274 00:15:08,350 --> 00:15:11,230 but in the end they said his cancer had spread too much 275 00:15:11,230 --> 00:15:13,830 and there was nothing more they could do. 276 00:15:13,830 --> 00:15:20,270 I had the... Essentially the difficult job of... 277 00:15:31,270 --> 00:15:34,350 ..the difficult job of bringing 278 00:15:34,350 --> 00:15:39,550 someone to terms with their own death, their own mortality. 279 00:15:39,550 --> 00:15:46,230 You know, "Time is running out and you're going to pass away." 280 00:15:47,430 --> 00:15:51,150 We both sat down, essentially, on this hospital bed 281 00:15:51,150 --> 00:15:54,230 that was in the corner of the living room, 282 00:15:54,230 --> 00:15:59,150 and...it was like I was interviewing his life, like... 283 00:15:59,150 --> 00:16:01,510 I asked him, what was the best part of it? 284 00:16:01,510 --> 00:16:03,070 And he said, "The music." 285 00:16:04,790 --> 00:16:08,110 And then he said he felt it was... 286 00:16:08,110 --> 00:16:10,110 ..he felt it was unfair... 287 00:16:11,430 --> 00:16:13,710 ..that... 288 00:16:13,710 --> 00:16:16,630 ..he only had a short time and... 289 00:16:16,630 --> 00:16:19,030 ..you know, for someone who's... 290 00:16:20,790 --> 00:16:23,630 ..had cancer since the age of 17, 291 00:16:23,630 --> 00:16:27,950 you never... He never got to experience the full... 292 00:16:27,950 --> 00:16:30,790 ..years of being in your 20s or past that. 293 00:16:32,350 --> 00:16:33,830 And... 294 00:16:35,990 --> 00:16:37,910 ..essentially, he... 295 00:16:40,350 --> 00:16:42,510 ..he realised what was going to be coming. 296 00:16:42,510 --> 00:16:44,510 He realised he was passing away 297 00:16:44,510 --> 00:16:48,430 and that he just wanted to, you know, die. 298 00:16:49,670 --> 00:16:52,510 Sean died in January 2019. 299 00:16:52,510 --> 00:16:53,870 He was just 23. 300 00:16:57,630 --> 00:17:00,870 Sean's mum told me she feared other families had lost loved ones 301 00:17:00,870 --> 00:17:02,950 after trying alternative treatments 302 00:17:02,950 --> 00:17:04,190 so I started searching. 303 00:17:05,590 --> 00:17:10,310 Sean's medical team told me his case is just the tip of the iceberg. 304 00:17:10,310 --> 00:17:12,670 I've arranged to meet Lorna, a senior scientist 305 00:17:12,670 --> 00:17:14,270 at Cambridge University. 306 00:17:14,270 --> 00:17:16,670 Her mum, Linda, died in 2014. 307 00:17:20,070 --> 00:17:24,150 We didn't know that she'd had cancer until she died. 308 00:17:24,150 --> 00:17:26,830 It was breast cancer. She caught it really early. 309 00:17:26,830 --> 00:17:31,310 She was advised to have a mastectomy and chemotherapy and radiotherapy, 310 00:17:31,310 --> 00:17:34,350 and told that if she did that she had really good odds. 311 00:17:34,350 --> 00:17:37,510 But quite quickly she decided that she didn't want to do that. 312 00:17:37,510 --> 00:17:44,110 She went to see Rosa to help her monitor the growth and spread 313 00:17:44,110 --> 00:17:47,430 of her cancer using thermal imaging. 314 00:17:48,990 --> 00:17:54,110 And then...Phillip became Mum's homoeopath. 315 00:17:54,110 --> 00:17:57,310 Linda had always been wary of conventional medicine. 316 00:17:57,310 --> 00:18:00,950 Soon after she was diagnosed, she turned down all NHS treatments 317 00:18:00,950 --> 00:18:03,950 and started taking medicines such as mistletoe injections 318 00:18:03,950 --> 00:18:06,790 from a number of alternative practitioners. 319 00:18:06,790 --> 00:18:08,990 She had thermography scans with Rosa Hughes, 320 00:18:08,990 --> 00:18:11,710 which she thought were tracking her cancer. 321 00:18:11,710 --> 00:18:14,790 She was going to the clinic and saying, "I think it's growing. 322 00:18:14,790 --> 00:18:17,190 "I'm pretty sure it's getting bigger." 323 00:18:17,190 --> 00:18:20,150 And she could feel it was getting bigger. 324 00:18:20,150 --> 00:18:24,270 And yet the scans were saying that it...that it wasn't, 325 00:18:24,270 --> 00:18:25,950 that it wasn't growing. 326 00:18:27,070 --> 00:18:28,870 And I think to some extent, 327 00:18:28,870 --> 00:18:32,350 she was sort of lured into a false sense of belief. 328 00:18:32,350 --> 00:18:37,470 Phillip would prescribe her a new homoeopathic treatment, 329 00:18:37,470 --> 00:18:42,750 so I think she was sort of reassured that she was doing something. 330 00:18:42,750 --> 00:18:44,870 And just how expensive were these treatments 331 00:18:44,870 --> 00:18:46,270 that your mum was receiving? 332 00:18:46,270 --> 00:18:50,790 Oh, she spent a lot of money and, you know, thousands of pounds on it. 333 00:18:50,790 --> 00:18:52,470 And that was really difficult to see 334 00:18:52,470 --> 00:18:54,790 how much was...she was spending on supplements 335 00:18:54,790 --> 00:18:57,350 and on these thermal imaging treatments. 336 00:18:57,350 --> 00:19:01,150 Linda started using a corrosive herbal remedy called black salve, 337 00:19:01,150 --> 00:19:03,590 which she got from another alternative therapist. 338 00:19:03,590 --> 00:19:07,430 She told her GP it was drawing out her cancer. 339 00:19:07,430 --> 00:19:12,350 The doctor said to my mum, "That's an ulcerating... 340 00:19:12,350 --> 00:19:15,590 "..tumour, and you have an open wound," 341 00:19:15,590 --> 00:19:18,750 and, you know, told Mum the truth. 342 00:19:18,750 --> 00:19:24,550 And I know that Mum was very emotional and very upset. 343 00:19:24,550 --> 00:19:26,750 I think she knew it was probably too late 344 00:19:26,750 --> 00:19:30,430 and couldn't face the truth about what was happening. 345 00:19:30,430 --> 00:19:33,470 But I think part of her knew. 346 00:19:33,470 --> 00:19:36,590 Lorna had noticed her mum behaving strangely. 347 00:19:36,590 --> 00:19:41,030 But one phone call home made her realise her mum was really ill. 348 00:19:41,030 --> 00:19:43,310 I was getting worried at this stage and I said to her, 349 00:19:43,310 --> 00:19:45,550 "I think you need to go and see a doctor," and she said, 350 00:19:45,550 --> 00:19:51,230 "No, I'm in contact, regular contact with a homoeopath from Liverpool." 351 00:19:53,470 --> 00:19:58,430 And at that point, I got a bit cross and said, you know, 352 00:19:58,430 --> 00:20:01,350 "Mum, homoeopathy doesn't...doesn't work." 353 00:20:02,510 --> 00:20:06,590 And she went quite quiet at that point, 354 00:20:06,590 --> 00:20:08,270 but we said our goodbyes. 355 00:20:09,350 --> 00:20:13,470 And that was the last time I spoke to her. 356 00:20:13,470 --> 00:20:15,550 Linda died a couple of days later. 357 00:20:17,230 --> 00:20:19,990 An inquest found she died of septicaemia caused 358 00:20:19,990 --> 00:20:22,390 by the ulceration of her tumour. 359 00:20:22,390 --> 00:20:25,190 The coroner said Linda had made her own decisions 360 00:20:25,190 --> 00:20:27,350 and was beyond persuasion. 361 00:20:27,350 --> 00:20:30,310 If your mum didn't turn down conventional treatment, 362 00:20:30,310 --> 00:20:32,790 do you think she'd still be here now? Absolutely. 363 00:20:34,790 --> 00:20:36,990 I've now met two families whose loved ones believed 364 00:20:36,990 --> 00:20:40,310 they could cure their cancer alternatively and took reassurance 365 00:20:40,310 --> 00:20:44,270 from thermography scans that what they were doing was working. 366 00:20:44,270 --> 00:20:47,470 I want to find out for myself what's going on inside the clinic. 367 00:20:51,230 --> 00:20:53,470 SAT NAV: The destination is on your right. 368 00:20:53,470 --> 00:20:54,830 Medical Thermal Imaging. 369 00:20:57,030 --> 00:20:58,510 Arrived. 370 00:20:58,510 --> 00:21:02,350 So we made an appointment, posing as a patient who'd found a lump. 371 00:21:02,350 --> 00:21:05,670 This is the clinic where Sean came for thermographic monitoring. 372 00:21:14,390 --> 00:21:17,590 This is Rosa Hughes, who provided scans for Sean and Linda. 373 00:21:32,630 --> 00:21:35,590 Rosa Hughes was making quite a lot of medical claims, 374 00:21:35,590 --> 00:21:38,230 so I wanted to show our recording to an expert. 375 00:21:38,230 --> 00:21:40,350 I've come to The Christie in Manchester 376 00:21:40,350 --> 00:21:42,390 to meet Professor Andrew Wardley. 377 00:21:42,390 --> 00:21:44,990 He's an oncologist, but has also been a patient 378 00:21:44,990 --> 00:21:46,510 and recovered from leukaemia. 379 00:21:46,510 --> 00:21:50,190 I started with the footage of Rosa advising against mammograms. 380 00:22:00,990 --> 00:22:03,950 That's preposterous. You don't burst tumours. 381 00:22:03,950 --> 00:22:07,830 They're solid. You do squash the breast down to do a mammogram, 382 00:22:07,830 --> 00:22:10,550 it is unpleasant, but it's a short-term thing. 383 00:22:10,550 --> 00:22:13,710 You do not spread cancer by doing a mammogram. 384 00:22:13,710 --> 00:22:15,310 That's complete fallacy. 385 00:22:42,830 --> 00:22:46,950 So, she's using some terms that are commonly used in in cancer medicine 386 00:22:46,950 --> 00:22:51,190 and cancer science, but the way she's applying this is wrong. 387 00:22:51,190 --> 00:22:53,510 The only way you can prove it's a cancer is if you'd get 388 00:22:53,510 --> 00:22:56,630 the tissue out and see cancer cells under the microscope. 389 00:22:56,630 --> 00:23:00,110 So, my suspicion would be that she didn't have a cancer, 390 00:23:00,110 --> 00:23:03,230 because cancers do not go away spontaneously. 391 00:23:03,230 --> 00:23:05,990 Is it possible that she could have had cancer and recovered 392 00:23:05,990 --> 00:23:09,550 naturally, like she says? It's very, very unlikely. 393 00:23:09,550 --> 00:23:13,350 I've never heard of a spontaneous remission of a breast cancer. 394 00:23:26,150 --> 00:23:30,870 She's actually advising people not to get a diagnosis 395 00:23:30,870 --> 00:23:33,830 and the treatment options given to them properly, 396 00:23:33,830 --> 00:23:36,750 so she's... This is dangerous, in my opinion. 397 00:23:36,750 --> 00:23:40,310 I think these sort of things should be outlawed. 398 00:24:02,790 --> 00:24:04,310 It makes me very concerned. 399 00:24:04,310 --> 00:24:06,350 You know, I've been through the worst treatment 400 00:24:06,350 --> 00:24:07,750 you can possibly have. 401 00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:10,390 I've had chemotherapy that would...did wipe out all of my 402 00:24:10,390 --> 00:24:13,550 bone marrow, whole-body radiotherapy, 403 00:24:13,550 --> 00:24:18,350 and I was extremely ill and nearly died from the treatment, 404 00:24:18,350 --> 00:24:20,190 but I would have definitely died 405 00:24:20,190 --> 00:24:22,830 and died very quickly had I not had the treatment. 406 00:24:22,830 --> 00:24:26,670 For people with Hodgkin's disease, the outcomes are excellent. 407 00:24:26,670 --> 00:24:28,350 And more and more people are cured 408 00:24:28,350 --> 00:24:32,150 or kept alive because of drug treatments that are very effective. 409 00:24:38,190 --> 00:24:40,830 There's so many things that make me highly concerned 410 00:24:40,830 --> 00:24:44,230 about this thing that she's doing, which is very dangerous. 411 00:24:44,230 --> 00:24:47,510 We invited Rosa and Phillip Hughes to an interview. 412 00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:49,830 In response, they said it is... 413 00:24:54,790 --> 00:24:56,950 They... 414 00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:07,230 As regards to Linda Halliday, they said... 415 00:25:12,550 --> 00:25:13,950 They said... 416 00:25:23,310 --> 00:25:24,990 They also said... 417 00:25:39,590 --> 00:25:41,310 I was really shocked by what I'd heard 418 00:25:41,310 --> 00:25:43,870 and wanted to give Aimee and Dawn an update. 419 00:25:45,470 --> 00:25:49,310 So, I found out as well that Sean's testimonial is still being used 420 00:25:49,310 --> 00:25:52,590 on the Mexico clinic's website. 421 00:25:49,310 --> 00:25:52,590 AIMEE GASPS 422 00:25:52,590 --> 00:25:56,790 So, on here, when you go on, it has, like, success stories. 423 00:25:59,390 --> 00:26:01,270 They've got here saying that 424 00:26:01,270 --> 00:26:04,350 Sean's recently returned home and his scan that he had 425 00:26:04,350 --> 00:26:06,990 found that the largest tumour appears to be dead 426 00:26:06,990 --> 00:26:09,550 with no activity and no signs. 427 00:26:09,550 --> 00:26:12,230 I mean, all them testimonies that Sean was reading 428 00:26:12,230 --> 00:26:14,910 and relying upon, how do we know that they weren't already dead? 429 00:26:14,910 --> 00:26:17,710 It's wrong, isn't it? It needs to take them down. 430 00:26:17,710 --> 00:26:19,950 We put our allegations to the Gerson Clinic, 431 00:26:19,950 --> 00:26:22,750 who have since removed Sean's testimony. 432 00:26:22,750 --> 00:26:25,550 They said they will take out newspaper adverts about our team 433 00:26:25,550 --> 00:26:27,670 if this documentary went ahead. 434 00:26:27,670 --> 00:26:31,230 We went undercover at Rosa and Phil's clinic recently. 435 00:26:31,230 --> 00:26:34,870 We found out that they're still, a year on from Sean dying, 436 00:26:34,870 --> 00:26:37,430 they're still warning people against hospitals. 437 00:26:47,230 --> 00:26:49,310 How dare they say that to people? 438 00:26:51,190 --> 00:26:52,670 They need to stop. 439 00:26:52,670 --> 00:26:55,950 I don't know how they sleep at night, to be honest. I don't. 440 00:27:03,910 --> 00:27:07,350 You're vulnerable when you've got cancer. 441 00:27:07,350 --> 00:27:11,990 You're looking to yourself or put yourself in remission at least, 442 00:27:11,990 --> 00:27:16,190 or spend as much time with your loved ones, 443 00:27:16,190 --> 00:27:18,670 and you are going to believe certain people 444 00:27:18,670 --> 00:27:24,190 who are actually making money out of the cancer industry 445 00:27:24,190 --> 00:27:25,750 through vulnerable people. 446 00:27:29,710 --> 00:27:32,670 One of the hardest things to sort of get over 447 00:27:32,670 --> 00:27:34,870 in life is betrayal. 448 00:27:34,870 --> 00:27:38,990 Like, having...having the carpet took 449 00:27:38,990 --> 00:27:41,630 from underneath your feet, and 450 00:27:41,630 --> 00:27:44,430 for him to get to that position... 451 00:27:44,430 --> 00:27:47,190 ..it was...it was just...heart-breaking. 452 00:27:53,710 --> 00:27:56,550 Sean introduced me to yoga, 453 00:27:56,550 --> 00:27:58,790 so it's just really lovely to carry it on. 454 00:28:02,470 --> 00:28:04,910 And it's sort of a way for me to connect with Sean. 455 00:28:08,550 --> 00:28:11,150 I just want to help other people and make sure that people aren't 456 00:28:11,150 --> 00:28:15,950 misled down this path and lose someone that they love over it. 457 00:28:15,950 --> 00:28:17,990 It's my duty to get this message across 458 00:28:17,990 --> 00:28:20,870 and to get justice for Sean as well. 459 00:28:20,870 --> 00:28:23,630 When I started following Sean's attempts to cure himself 460 00:28:23,630 --> 00:28:26,030 and saw how well he seemed to be doing, 461 00:28:26,030 --> 00:28:28,990 I knew one day I'd make a documentary about him. 462 00:28:28,990 --> 00:28:32,070 But this is not the film I expected to make. 463 00:28:32,070 --> 00:28:35,030 I've seen just how desperate people can become 464 00:28:35,030 --> 00:28:38,550 and realise now that the stories online about cancer cures 465 00:28:38,550 --> 00:28:40,470 may not be what they seem. 62788

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