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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:16,392 --> 00:00:21,145 I'm being accused of murdering my mom by my dad, 2 00:00:21,397 --> 00:00:24,690 my sister, and my brother. 3 00:00:25,818 --> 00:00:27,359 Murder in the first degree 4 00:00:27,403 --> 00:00:29,278 in Iowa carries a sentence of life 5 00:00:29,363 --> 00:00:31,113 without the possibility of parole. 6 00:00:37,663 --> 00:00:40,873 Right away, Jason Carter became my primary suspect. 7 00:00:54,930 --> 00:00:57,347 Every time he would cry, 8 00:00:57,641 --> 00:01:02,311 I chuckle at his lack of drama skills. 9 00:01:02,938 --> 00:01:07,024 Ludwick absolutely used the affair against me. 10 00:01:07,735 --> 00:01:09,401 Jason wasn't honest with me. 11 00:01:09,487 --> 00:01:13,113 But having an affair doesn't equal murder. 12 00:01:14,325 --> 00:01:17,659 If you can show that somebody has lied in the past, 13 00:01:17,745 --> 00:01:19,453 it brings the question to the jury's mind, 14 00:01:19,538 --> 00:01:20,662 "well, are they lying now?" 15 00:01:21,457 --> 00:01:23,582 We've received audio recordings 16 00:01:23,667 --> 00:01:26,043 that may help US solve this murder case. 17 00:01:36,889 --> 00:01:38,097 Holy moly. 18 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:43,727 You're putting your life in the hands of 12 jurors. 19 00:01:44,230 --> 00:01:45,270 Win or lose, 20 00:01:46,065 --> 00:01:48,607 I want to lay it all out there like it really is. 21 00:02:34,029 --> 00:02:35,112 Hi, guys. 22 00:02:35,322 --> 00:02:36,947 Hey, guys. How are you? 23 00:02:37,700 --> 00:02:39,074 This is our friend, agent ludwick. 24 00:03:03,350 --> 00:03:04,892 So how can we use that? 25 00:03:05,436 --> 00:03:07,352 Well, that's what we were debating right now. 26 00:03:07,396 --> 00:03:08,645 How we could use it is the question. How we could use it. 27 00:03:08,731 --> 00:03:09,813 Keep going. 28 00:03:19,366 --> 00:03:21,158 I can unequivocally say 29 00:03:21,243 --> 00:03:23,285 the wrong person has been charged in this murder. 30 00:03:24,580 --> 00:03:26,205 And we don't have a report from him. 31 00:03:30,252 --> 00:03:32,711 I think the response of my entire team 32 00:03:32,796 --> 00:03:34,880 shows that we were all truly surprised, 33 00:03:35,174 --> 00:03:38,175 not just by the content of the recording, 34 00:03:38,219 --> 00:03:40,552 but by the lack of follow-up. 35 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,056 For US, this is certainly information 36 00:03:44,391 --> 00:03:47,017 that calls into question the investigation, 37 00:03:47,102 --> 00:03:49,895 calls into question the statements about Jason, 38 00:03:49,980 --> 00:03:51,897 calls into question 39 00:03:51,982 --> 00:03:57,194 the analysis of what really happened on June 19th, 2015. 40 00:04:03,118 --> 00:04:05,994 We have a pre-trial hearing tomorrow. 41 00:04:06,622 --> 00:04:08,038 I really hope that 42 00:04:08,123 --> 00:04:10,624 information that we've obtained today 43 00:04:10,709 --> 00:04:14,253 can be admissible in the trial. 44 00:04:15,381 --> 00:04:18,048 The judge and the jury really need to know 45 00:04:18,092 --> 00:04:19,716 everything that we know, 46 00:04:20,135 --> 00:04:21,426 and for them 47 00:04:21,971 --> 00:04:23,428 to be denied that 48 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:26,390 will never bring justice. 49 00:04:34,525 --> 00:04:37,276 Cases are often made before you go to trial. 50 00:04:37,820 --> 00:04:39,861 You learn what evidence is going to come in and what isn't, 51 00:04:39,947 --> 00:04:42,281 and that really shapes how the trial is going to go. 52 00:04:44,994 --> 00:04:46,618 The state wants to exclude 53 00:04:46,704 --> 00:04:48,453 almost all or all of the evidence 54 00:04:48,539 --> 00:04:51,123 of these other suspects and anything pointing to that. 55 00:04:51,792 --> 00:04:53,125 We obviously think that's something 56 00:04:53,210 --> 00:04:54,668 the jury should be allowed to consider. 57 00:04:56,130 --> 00:04:59,131 We're presented with an issue here in terms of admissibility, 58 00:04:59,174 --> 00:05:03,010 because typically these kinds of statements are hearsay, 59 00:05:03,095 --> 00:05:04,845 and they're not admissible in court 60 00:05:04,930 --> 00:05:06,471 for the truth of the matter asserted. 61 00:05:08,017 --> 00:05:09,975 However, that's not why we're offering it. 62 00:05:10,060 --> 00:05:11,810 We're offering it to show 63 00:05:11,895 --> 00:05:14,479 that law enforcement did absolutely nothing with those reports, 64 00:05:15,441 --> 00:05:18,483 that law enforcement did a really bad investigation. 65 00:05:29,038 --> 00:05:32,039 If the judge rules against US, it would be a big blow to US. 66 00:05:32,916 --> 00:05:35,959 So the outcome of this hearing could make or break the case. 67 00:05:40,049 --> 00:05:41,006 Thank you. 68 00:05:45,095 --> 00:05:46,970 Good morning, everyone. 69 00:05:47,389 --> 00:05:49,014 We will just start at the top. 70 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:50,682 Ms. Branstad. 71 00:05:51,894 --> 00:05:53,518 Your honor, in this case, 72 00:05:53,604 --> 00:05:56,480 we have statements by law enforcement showing bias, 73 00:05:57,274 --> 00:05:59,316 and we have statements 74 00:06:00,110 --> 00:06:03,195 showing an unwillingness 75 00:06:03,989 --> 00:06:05,155 to pursue leads. 76 00:06:05,574 --> 00:06:08,950 There is one recording in which the witness says, 77 00:06:09,036 --> 00:06:10,410 "I've heard a..." 78 00:06:10,496 --> 00:06:12,454 I think it's, "a lot from a lot of people." 79 00:06:12,539 --> 00:06:14,373 And the officer's response is, 80 00:06:15,334 --> 00:06:17,626 "well, that's just all speculation and hearsay," 81 00:06:17,961 --> 00:06:20,921 and ends the interview without asking anything else. 82 00:06:22,216 --> 00:06:24,716 We wouldn't be offering it to prove that that witness 83 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:27,511 knew a lot of things from a lot of other people, 84 00:06:27,554 --> 00:06:29,679 it's to show the bias 85 00:06:29,765 --> 00:06:32,099 that this officer didn't even ask the question of, 86 00:06:32,476 --> 00:06:34,226 "who told you what?" 87 00:06:34,770 --> 00:06:35,852 This is hearsay. 88 00:06:37,564 --> 00:06:40,232 How is this going to be admissible? 89 00:06:40,984 --> 00:06:42,025 Your honor, 90 00:06:43,404 --> 00:06:46,738 truly most investigations like this start with hearsay testimony. 91 00:06:46,782 --> 00:06:48,031 One person heard something, 92 00:06:48,117 --> 00:06:50,033 and then the investigator has to follow through 93 00:06:50,119 --> 00:06:51,576 and go to the next person, 94 00:06:51,662 --> 00:06:53,412 and go to the next person. 95 00:06:54,456 --> 00:06:57,541 Your honor, I can say that I have no intention 96 00:06:57,626 --> 00:07:00,585 to stand up in closing argument and say, 97 00:07:01,380 --> 00:07:03,922 "Joe sedlock is absolutely responsible," 98 00:07:04,007 --> 00:07:08,593 or, "John followill is absolutely responsible." 99 00:07:08,679 --> 00:07:10,220 What I do intend to say, 100 00:07:10,305 --> 00:07:13,140 if this evidence is admitted is, 101 00:07:13,225 --> 00:07:14,766 "we don't know, 102 00:07:15,144 --> 00:07:18,395 "because these leads were not followed through." 103 00:07:20,232 --> 00:07:22,649 It sounds like we're all accepting the fact it's hearsay. 104 00:07:22,734 --> 00:07:26,069 There is no permissible way to get this evidence in 105 00:07:26,822 --> 00:07:28,363 for the truth of the matter asserted. 106 00:07:28,574 --> 00:07:31,450 They're talking sloppy police work. 107 00:07:31,535 --> 00:07:35,245 Okay. So the defense can say over and over 108 00:07:35,873 --> 00:07:37,956 that this was a surface investigation. 109 00:07:38,876 --> 00:07:40,542 They maybe even believe it. 110 00:07:41,044 --> 00:07:42,335 But it doesn't make it true. 111 00:07:42,546 --> 00:07:44,546 The jury is entitled 112 00:07:45,340 --> 00:07:47,299 to be able to make a decision 113 00:07:47,384 --> 00:07:50,760 based on what weight to afford a particular piece of testimony. 114 00:07:52,347 --> 00:07:53,430 But, judge, 115 00:07:53,515 --> 00:07:54,890 that piece of testimony or evidence 116 00:07:54,975 --> 00:07:57,100 still has to be admissible under our rules of evidence, 117 00:07:57,186 --> 00:08:00,395 and the defense has yet to give you a cognitive reason 118 00:08:00,481 --> 00:08:02,272 under the Iowa rules of evidence. 119 00:08:02,983 --> 00:08:05,108 Anything else on behalf of the defendant? 120 00:08:05,444 --> 00:08:06,485 No, your honor. 121 00:08:06,528 --> 00:08:07,944 Very well. 122 00:08:08,405 --> 00:08:09,821 I will consider the arguments, 123 00:08:09,907 --> 00:08:11,281 and I'll get a ruling on file. 124 00:08:11,325 --> 00:08:13,200 See you all a week from tomorrow. 125 00:08:13,285 --> 00:08:14,367 Thank you, your honor. 126 00:08:14,453 --> 00:08:15,619 Thank you, your honor. 127 00:08:17,372 --> 00:08:19,789 It is really important for the jury to understand 128 00:08:19,875 --> 00:08:22,459 the lens through which law enforcement was viewing this case, 129 00:08:22,544 --> 00:08:25,462 which was solely focused on Jason Carter 130 00:08:25,547 --> 00:08:27,422 to the exclusion of everything else. 131 00:08:30,052 --> 00:08:31,843 If the jury is presented with that information, 132 00:08:31,929 --> 00:08:34,054 it will have to raise a question in their mind 133 00:08:34,139 --> 00:08:37,015 of, "can we really find this guy guilty 134 00:08:37,809 --> 00:08:39,476 "if law enforcement didn't do its job?" 135 00:08:49,279 --> 00:08:50,445 Two-zero. 136 00:08:50,697 --> 00:08:52,030 Hey, it's the operator. 137 00:08:53,617 --> 00:08:55,158 Dang it! Nine-zero. 138 00:08:55,202 --> 00:08:56,368 Wait. Whoa, it's my bat. 139 00:08:57,079 --> 00:08:58,870 McKenna's class made a book, 140 00:08:59,498 --> 00:09:00,580 and I just... 141 00:09:00,666 --> 00:09:02,541 I just wanna share with you McKenna's page. 142 00:09:03,168 --> 00:09:04,417 Um... 143 00:09:04,461 --> 00:09:07,128 She said, "I want to be a lawyer when I grow up. 144 00:09:07,214 --> 00:09:08,421 "I want to make a difference 145 00:09:08,507 --> 00:09:11,633 "by helping people prove themselves innocent. 146 00:09:12,010 --> 00:09:13,301 "By McKenna." 147 00:09:14,346 --> 00:09:16,638 It just makes me so proud of my daughter. 148 00:09:18,934 --> 00:09:20,600 It makes me realize that 149 00:09:20,936 --> 00:09:22,561 this has been harder on them 150 00:09:23,772 --> 00:09:25,564 than I even know sometimes. 151 00:09:29,278 --> 00:09:31,236 Both the kids mean the world to me. 152 00:09:31,780 --> 00:09:32,946 You know. 153 00:09:33,031 --> 00:09:34,531 I don't know what I'd do without 'em. 154 00:09:36,785 --> 00:09:38,702 Murder brings a life sentence 155 00:09:39,621 --> 00:09:40,954 without parole. 156 00:09:41,665 --> 00:09:44,124 A life sentence is as long as you live 157 00:09:44,209 --> 00:09:45,584 until you die. 158 00:09:45,627 --> 00:09:47,085 You will die in prison. 159 00:09:47,963 --> 00:09:49,004 It's a pretty scary deal. 160 00:09:49,089 --> 00:09:50,380 Okay. 161 00:09:52,175 --> 00:09:53,883 I'm fighting for my life... 162 00:09:55,012 --> 00:09:56,595 For my family and my mom. 163 00:10:08,108 --> 00:10:10,859 My attorneys said that information 164 00:10:10,944 --> 00:10:14,279 that's been provided to US could be considered hearsay. 165 00:10:15,032 --> 00:10:16,740 That's the only reason 166 00:10:16,825 --> 00:10:19,117 it may not be put in front of a jury. 167 00:10:28,670 --> 00:10:31,796 The judge has ruled in our favor, 168 00:10:32,341 --> 00:10:36,217 and so we get to bring in the hearsay statements 169 00:10:37,179 --> 00:10:39,387 to show what wasn't done in the investigation. 170 00:10:39,473 --> 00:10:40,722 Yeah. 171 00:10:40,766 --> 00:10:43,725 That's probably the biggest win for US. 172 00:10:44,686 --> 00:10:47,437 That ruling is essential to our case, 173 00:10:47,522 --> 00:10:51,316 because a great deal of this case revolves around 174 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,943 leads that we believe weren't followed, 175 00:10:54,029 --> 00:10:56,821 information that wasn't pursued 176 00:10:57,199 --> 00:11:00,325 and our criticisms in this case of the investigation. 177 00:11:02,204 --> 00:11:05,789 We needed an impartial judge, and we got one. 178 00:11:06,541 --> 00:11:10,418 It's great. It's exactly what should have been done. 179 00:11:34,027 --> 00:11:36,403 Nate went down to the Marion county sheriff's office yesterday 180 00:11:36,488 --> 00:11:39,155 to look at the physical evidence before they bring it down for trial. 181 00:11:40,492 --> 00:11:43,451 They found a box that ludwick dropped off this month 182 00:11:43,537 --> 00:11:45,453 full of 90 discs 183 00:11:46,540 --> 00:11:49,040 that were labelled blank, but weren't blank, 184 00:11:49,126 --> 00:11:50,709 or labelled as something that they weren't. 185 00:11:50,752 --> 00:11:53,920 Absolutely UN-freaking-believable. 186 00:11:54,005 --> 00:11:55,046 Yeah. 187 00:11:56,383 --> 00:11:58,925 Special agent Mark ludwick dropped off this box of evidence 188 00:11:59,010 --> 00:12:00,719 to the Marion county sheriff's office 189 00:12:01,096 --> 00:12:02,220 several weeks ago, 190 00:12:03,765 --> 00:12:05,682 and we're just now receiving it 191 00:12:05,767 --> 00:12:07,392 three days before trial starts. 192 00:12:08,603 --> 00:12:11,146 We don't know what is on these discs. 193 00:12:11,606 --> 00:12:13,565 The box says there's 93 discs in it. 194 00:12:13,650 --> 00:12:14,899 There's only 80. 195 00:12:15,277 --> 00:12:16,609 The discs are mislabeled. 196 00:12:16,695 --> 00:12:18,069 Some of them are blank. 197 00:12:18,155 --> 00:12:19,738 Some of them say they're blank, and they're not blank. 198 00:12:20,282 --> 00:12:23,283 It's just a total organizational disaster. 199 00:12:24,578 --> 00:12:27,912 I don't know if special agent Mark ludwick maliciously withheld evidence. 200 00:12:27,998 --> 00:12:30,999 I don't know if it was simply an oversight. 201 00:12:31,293 --> 00:12:32,834 But most certainly 202 00:12:33,128 --> 00:12:34,919 we should have been given all of this evidence 203 00:12:35,005 --> 00:12:36,254 months and months ago. 204 00:12:38,216 --> 00:12:43,052 We're not aware of anything that harms US in the case, 205 00:12:43,096 --> 00:12:44,763 but we don't know if there is substantially helpful 206 00:12:44,848 --> 00:12:46,264 information in there. 207 00:12:47,309 --> 00:12:48,725 And so that is just... 208 00:12:53,023 --> 00:12:55,565 It's disheartening, 209 00:12:55,650 --> 00:12:59,235 and it makes it hard to go to trial 210 00:12:59,321 --> 00:13:01,696 feeling less than fully prepared. 211 00:13:03,867 --> 00:13:07,744 This is so hard because I promised Jason early on in this case 212 00:13:07,829 --> 00:13:10,246 the one thing that he could count on 213 00:13:10,332 --> 00:13:11,623 is if I went into trial, 214 00:13:11,666 --> 00:13:13,583 I would know every detail of every bit of evidence. 215 00:13:13,668 --> 00:13:14,667 That was my promise. 216 00:13:14,753 --> 00:13:16,669 Yeah. I said, "that's what I will do." 217 00:13:17,005 --> 00:13:18,588 And if we go into trial now, 218 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:20,757 I'm not keeping that promise. 219 00:13:22,093 --> 00:13:26,638 I feel like we're at an advantage right now, 220 00:13:26,681 --> 00:13:30,725 but I also wonder if it's irresponsible to go into trial 221 00:13:30,811 --> 00:13:32,477 without having a thorough understanding 222 00:13:32,521 --> 00:13:33,978 of everything that's on these discs. 223 00:13:34,648 --> 00:13:36,105 There is a certain part of me that just feels 224 00:13:36,191 --> 00:13:37,899 so ready for this trial...- 225 00:13:37,984 --> 00:13:42,278 ...despite not having aspects that I want 226 00:13:42,364 --> 00:13:44,239 in the structure behind US. -Yeah. 227 00:13:44,825 --> 00:13:46,866 Man, I just wanna get in front of a jury, 228 00:13:46,952 --> 00:13:49,160 and I've got a lot of emotional... 229 00:13:50,038 --> 00:13:51,663 I just want it right now. 230 00:13:52,499 --> 00:13:53,915 Here's my plan. 231 00:13:53,959 --> 00:13:56,209 Full steam ahead like we're going to trial on Tuesday. 232 00:13:56,294 --> 00:13:57,460 Yeah. 233 00:13:58,839 --> 00:14:00,338 Man, I gotta really trust in her 234 00:14:00,423 --> 00:14:02,090 that she's making the right decision. 235 00:14:02,801 --> 00:14:05,802 I have no choice other than to keep fighting. 236 00:14:06,346 --> 00:14:09,264 You can't give up now. 237 00:14:10,517 --> 00:14:12,809 We've decided that we are going to go ahead with this trial. 238 00:14:12,894 --> 00:14:14,185 It's a risk. 239 00:14:14,229 --> 00:14:16,145 It's definitely a gamble to some degree. 240 00:14:16,189 --> 00:14:18,022 But that's what we're gonna do, we're gonna do trial. 241 00:14:27,075 --> 00:14:28,533 A note from Kenny... 242 00:14:32,414 --> 00:14:33,538 "You are the best! 243 00:14:34,583 --> 00:14:35,707 "You're awesome, dad." 244 00:14:37,627 --> 00:14:40,795 I'm very worried about what might happen. 245 00:14:41,673 --> 00:14:43,840 The kids would be beyond devastated 246 00:14:43,925 --> 00:14:45,675 if their dad didn't come home. 247 00:14:47,178 --> 00:14:48,303 What? 248 00:14:48,597 --> 00:14:50,388 Are you gonna say goodbye to chase? 249 00:14:50,432 --> 00:14:51,514 Yeah. 250 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:53,182 If things aren't made right, 251 00:14:55,395 --> 00:14:56,811 I don't know what I'll do. 252 00:15:01,610 --> 00:15:02,567 Okay. 253 00:15:02,652 --> 00:15:03,860 Give me a hug, chase. 254 00:15:04,654 --> 00:15:05,862 Bye, Katie. 255 00:15:17,167 --> 00:15:18,875 Make sure you take care of mom. 256 00:15:23,632 --> 00:15:25,214 And be nice to your sister. 257 00:15:27,260 --> 00:15:30,553 No family should go through what we've had to go through. 258 00:15:31,473 --> 00:15:32,889 We just want peace, 259 00:15:33,808 --> 00:15:34,933 peace for our children, 260 00:15:36,519 --> 00:15:37,894 peace for our family, 261 00:15:51,076 --> 00:15:52,075 Okay. 262 00:16:46,881 --> 00:16:49,007 I've got a tag I can't get off this new suit. 263 00:16:50,051 --> 00:16:51,342 I might have to use a knife. 264 00:16:54,889 --> 00:16:57,015 Opening statements are today and... 265 00:17:03,106 --> 00:17:05,857 Well, I've had some friends tell me that opening statements are 266 00:17:07,777 --> 00:17:09,652 the make it or break it type thing. 267 00:17:10,488 --> 00:17:11,529 Um... 268 00:17:13,366 --> 00:17:15,324 You know, I guess I don't know. We'll find out. 269 00:17:17,203 --> 00:17:18,244 Scared as hell. 270 00:17:18,329 --> 00:17:21,330 It's always just incredibly scary 271 00:17:21,833 --> 00:17:23,332 to go up in front of a jury, 272 00:17:23,418 --> 00:17:25,877 and there's a lot on the line in this case. 273 00:17:26,796 --> 00:17:28,880 First day today, so... 274 00:17:29,466 --> 00:17:30,715 Um... 275 00:17:31,885 --> 00:17:33,551 Gonna be a big day. 276 00:17:42,270 --> 00:17:44,395 Opening statements are always difficult, 277 00:17:44,481 --> 00:17:47,774 because nothing comes in exactly as you plan. 278 00:17:47,859 --> 00:17:49,400 You may be seated. Thank you. 279 00:17:52,113 --> 00:17:53,905 The prosecutor is ed bull. 280 00:17:54,908 --> 00:17:56,699 Our styles are very different. 281 00:17:57,202 --> 00:17:59,118 He's incredibly theatrical. 282 00:17:59,662 --> 00:18:01,412 Sometimes that goes over well with juries, 283 00:18:01,956 --> 00:18:03,247 sometimes it doesn't. 284 00:18:04,793 --> 00:18:06,918 It happens in the kitchen 285 00:18:07,504 --> 00:18:08,544 of her home. 286 00:18:09,464 --> 00:18:10,588 Somebody 287 00:18:11,966 --> 00:18:15,843 fires a high-powered .270 caliber rifle 288 00:18:15,929 --> 00:18:17,220 at Shirley Carter. 289 00:18:18,139 --> 00:18:19,764 The bullet strikes her in the side. 290 00:18:19,849 --> 00:18:22,100 It carves a path through her chest, 291 00:18:22,811 --> 00:18:23,893 shattering ribs 292 00:18:23,978 --> 00:18:27,438 and punching holes in her lung and heart. 293 00:18:29,442 --> 00:18:31,776 With Shirley Carter lying flat on her back, 294 00:18:31,820 --> 00:18:33,903 the shooter racks another round 295 00:18:34,531 --> 00:18:36,322 into the chamber of that rifle, 296 00:18:36,658 --> 00:18:38,116 aims dead center 297 00:18:38,535 --> 00:18:40,118 at Shirley Carter's chest, 298 00:18:41,162 --> 00:18:44,080 and pulls the trigger again. 299 00:18:45,333 --> 00:18:47,792 The evidence will establish that somebody 300 00:18:50,338 --> 00:18:51,671 acted maliciously 301 00:18:52,340 --> 00:18:54,465 and with the specific intent to kill. 302 00:18:55,885 --> 00:18:57,426 What we will prove to you 303 00:18:57,846 --> 00:19:00,638 is that there are clues that lead to only one conclusion. 304 00:19:01,015 --> 00:19:02,849 We will ask that you return a verdict 305 00:19:02,934 --> 00:19:04,976 finding Jason Carter guilty 306 00:19:05,395 --> 00:19:06,769 of murder in the first degree. 307 00:19:08,940 --> 00:19:09,981 Thank you. 308 00:19:21,953 --> 00:19:23,452 What I'm going to ask of you 309 00:19:23,496 --> 00:19:25,663 is, over the course of this trial, 310 00:19:26,374 --> 00:19:28,416 to look and see if you think this was 311 00:19:29,169 --> 00:19:31,460 a normal and perfect investigation, 312 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:35,214 or if very significant parts of this investigation 313 00:19:35,550 --> 00:19:36,966 weren't followed through. 314 00:19:38,344 --> 00:19:40,011 The timeline doesn't make sense. 315 00:19:40,930 --> 00:19:42,346 There was no motive. 316 00:19:42,765 --> 00:19:44,974 One investigator in particular 317 00:19:45,143 --> 00:19:47,185 went after Jason Carter 318 00:19:47,228 --> 00:19:49,729 and ignored all the other clues. 319 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:51,647 And at the end of this case, 320 00:19:52,108 --> 00:19:53,691 I will ask you 321 00:19:53,735 --> 00:19:55,443 to enter a verdict 322 00:19:55,528 --> 00:19:56,694 of not guilty. 323 00:19:58,573 --> 00:19:59,697 Thank you. 324 00:20:00,617 --> 00:20:03,492 Now, the state of Iowa calls Michael halverson. 325 00:20:04,579 --> 00:20:05,578 The first week of trial's 326 00:20:05,663 --> 00:20:06,871 always stressful for the defense, 327 00:20:06,956 --> 00:20:08,831 because the prosecution gets to go first. 328 00:20:09,584 --> 00:20:12,043 It can be really frustrating, because you do feel like 329 00:20:12,128 --> 00:20:13,711 you're just getting hit after hit, 330 00:20:13,755 --> 00:20:15,213 and there's really very little 331 00:20:15,256 --> 00:20:17,715 that you can do about it until the state is done. 332 00:20:19,010 --> 00:20:20,843 I'm employed as a criminalist 333 00:20:21,429 --> 00:20:24,222 for the Iowa division of criminal investigation. 334 00:20:24,933 --> 00:20:27,391 The prosecution is going to use him as a foundational witness, 335 00:20:27,435 --> 00:20:28,601 someone to say, 336 00:20:28,686 --> 00:20:30,061 "yes, this is a photograph of the kitchen, 337 00:20:30,146 --> 00:20:31,520 "facing this direction. 338 00:20:31,606 --> 00:20:32,980 "This is why we took this photograph. 339 00:20:33,066 --> 00:20:34,315 "This is why we think it is significant." 340 00:20:34,901 --> 00:20:36,817 When you entered the bedroom, 341 00:20:37,403 --> 00:20:40,071 was there anything specific that you observed? 342 00:20:40,406 --> 00:20:42,782 Yes. The chest of drawers 343 00:20:42,867 --> 00:20:44,575 had two drawers pulled out. 344 00:20:44,953 --> 00:20:46,494 We fingerprint dusted 345 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,080 the top of this chest of drawers. 346 00:20:49,874 --> 00:20:51,499 Did the crime scene team 347 00:20:51,751 --> 00:20:53,584 process the living room of the residence? 348 00:20:54,128 --> 00:20:55,586 Yes, we did process it. 349 00:20:55,797 --> 00:20:58,422 But it did appear uninvolved, 350 00:20:58,508 --> 00:20:59,840 undisturbed, 351 00:20:59,926 --> 00:21:03,261 so it was not examined with the same vigor 352 00:21:03,346 --> 00:21:05,054 that the kitchen was, for example. 353 00:21:06,516 --> 00:21:07,807 To your knowledge, 354 00:21:07,892 --> 00:21:11,352 there is no forensic evidence 355 00:21:11,813 --> 00:21:13,729 that implicates Jason Carter? 356 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,440 That statement is correct. 357 00:21:17,568 --> 00:21:18,609 I would... 358 00:21:18,695 --> 00:21:20,403 I would like to say that 359 00:21:20,488 --> 00:21:21,862 what I said was... 360 00:21:21,948 --> 00:21:24,240 I would say I had no forensic evidence 361 00:21:24,492 --> 00:21:25,741 that I was aware of, 362 00:21:25,785 --> 00:21:27,952 no DNA, no fingerprints, 363 00:21:28,037 --> 00:21:29,954 no ballistic evidence 364 00:21:29,998 --> 00:21:32,540 that said Jason Carter was responsible 365 00:21:32,625 --> 00:21:34,583 or not responsible for this death. 366 00:21:36,337 --> 00:21:37,795 I have no further questions. 367 00:21:41,384 --> 00:21:42,717 That's the only question that matters 368 00:21:42,802 --> 00:21:44,051 when it comes to forensic. 369 00:21:44,137 --> 00:21:46,470 Does any of this link Jason Carter to the crime? 370 00:21:46,556 --> 00:21:48,306 No? Okay, we're done. 371 00:21:50,184 --> 00:21:52,435 The state will call Laurie goff. 372 00:21:55,940 --> 00:21:58,482 Laurie goff was the first person with a medical background 373 00:21:58,568 --> 00:21:59,984 to look at Shirley's body that morning. 374 00:22:00,069 --> 00:22:03,237 She originally said Shirley had died several hours 375 00:22:03,323 --> 00:22:05,823 before Jason arrived at the crime scene. 376 00:22:05,908 --> 00:22:07,616 Do you swear to tell the truth, 377 00:22:07,660 --> 00:22:09,493 the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? 378 00:22:09,579 --> 00:22:10,619 Yes. 379 00:22:10,705 --> 00:22:11,662 Please be seated. 380 00:22:12,957 --> 00:22:14,332 The state is alleging 381 00:22:14,417 --> 00:22:16,917 that Jason had the time to do this in ten minutes. 382 00:22:17,378 --> 00:22:19,045 So the timeline is extremely important, 383 00:22:19,130 --> 00:22:20,129 because if we can show 384 00:22:20,173 --> 00:22:21,672 that she was killed hours before, 385 00:22:21,716 --> 00:22:23,716 there is simply no way that Jason did it. 386 00:22:24,761 --> 00:22:25,843 Now, while you were in the residence, 387 00:22:25,887 --> 00:22:27,261 did you observe any blood? 388 00:22:27,347 --> 00:22:28,346 Yes. 389 00:22:28,639 --> 00:22:30,181 Was that blood dry? 390 00:22:30,558 --> 00:22:31,682 No. 391 00:22:32,143 --> 00:22:34,477 This was the report that you wrote immediately after 392 00:22:34,562 --> 00:22:36,479 being on the scene. Is that correct? 393 00:22:36,564 --> 00:22:37,688 Correct. 394 00:22:37,940 --> 00:22:39,273 When you wrote it, 395 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,317 you wrote that it was dried blood. 396 00:22:42,236 --> 00:22:43,527 Yes, inadvertently that it was dried. 397 00:22:43,613 --> 00:22:44,987 It was not dried, it was wet. 398 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,491 At that time it was your finding 399 00:22:49,035 --> 00:22:51,535 that it didn't happen minutes ago, 400 00:22:51,829 --> 00:22:53,871 it had probably been two or three hours. 401 00:22:55,041 --> 00:22:56,165 Correct. 402 00:22:56,834 --> 00:22:58,834 You found the coagulation of the blood 403 00:22:58,878 --> 00:23:00,211 means that it had time 404 00:23:00,296 --> 00:23:01,879 to start the clotting process, 405 00:23:02,924 --> 00:23:05,341 so you knew that she hadn't been there for 12 hours, 406 00:23:05,676 --> 00:23:07,885 but you knew that she had been there longer than an hour? 407 00:23:08,930 --> 00:23:10,096 Possibly, yes. 408 00:23:11,015 --> 00:23:12,390 That's the time frame I gave, yes. 409 00:23:14,102 --> 00:23:15,684 I do think that we were able to show 410 00:23:15,770 --> 00:23:17,436 Laurie goff's inconsistencies 411 00:23:17,772 --> 00:23:18,896 very clearly. 412 00:23:19,148 --> 00:23:20,648 Anything beyond ten minutes 413 00:23:20,733 --> 00:23:23,901 excludes Jason as being a suspect, 414 00:23:24,529 --> 00:23:25,861 because he couldn't have been there for that to happen. 415 00:23:30,034 --> 00:23:32,576 Jason's family will be on the stand tomorrow. 416 00:23:33,621 --> 00:23:35,079 The family interactions 417 00:23:35,123 --> 00:23:37,206 are one of the toughest parts of this case. 418 00:23:39,001 --> 00:23:43,546 To have my family take the stand and say that I killed my mom, 419 00:23:45,383 --> 00:23:46,715 pretty low. 420 00:23:47,927 --> 00:23:49,260 I feel nervous... 421 00:23:50,179 --> 00:23:51,595 Scared. 422 00:23:53,808 --> 00:23:55,474 Most of the time in a criminal case 423 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,935 your family sits behind you and supports you and, in this case, 424 00:23:59,105 --> 00:24:01,105 he's got his family on the other side of the courtroom. 425 00:24:10,825 --> 00:24:12,616 It's gonna be very hard for Jason 426 00:24:12,660 --> 00:24:16,120 to have to sit there as his family members testify against him. 427 00:24:16,164 --> 00:24:18,330 They won't be able to directly state to the jury 428 00:24:18,416 --> 00:24:19,540 that they think Jason 429 00:24:19,625 --> 00:24:21,292 is responsible for Shirley's death. 430 00:24:21,377 --> 00:24:23,043 I think it'll just be clear by the fact 431 00:24:23,129 --> 00:24:25,754 that they're testifying that they believe that Jason is guilty. 432 00:24:26,507 --> 00:24:27,965 Good morning. You can come right up here. Good morning. 433 00:24:28,009 --> 00:24:29,383 I'm sure everybody's gonna think, 434 00:24:29,469 --> 00:24:33,512 ", that is one messed up family." 435 00:24:33,598 --> 00:24:35,306 Do you swear to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth? 436 00:24:35,349 --> 00:24:36,974 Yes, I do. Please be seated. 437 00:24:39,061 --> 00:24:40,978 I wanna talk about June 19th. 438 00:24:41,063 --> 00:24:44,315 Did you receive a phone call from your brother 439 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,151 a little after 11:00 A.M.? 440 00:24:47,195 --> 00:24:48,652 Yes, I did. 441 00:24:49,697 --> 00:24:50,988 He said, 442 00:24:51,032 --> 00:24:53,949 "mom is laying on the kitchen floor 443 00:24:54,535 --> 00:24:55,993 "and she's dead." 444 00:24:56,078 --> 00:24:56,994 And... 445 00:24:57,788 --> 00:24:59,955 I said immediately... 446 00:24:59,999 --> 00:25:01,040 "No!" 447 00:25:01,125 --> 00:25:05,127 I... and I said, "Jason, did you call 911?" 448 00:25:05,796 --> 00:25:08,506 And he said, "no, it's too late. 449 00:25:08,591 --> 00:25:10,508 "She's cold. She's stiff. She's dead." 450 00:25:11,928 --> 00:25:14,053 And I said, "you don't know that." 451 00:25:14,138 --> 00:25:16,555 I said, "Jason, you gotta call 911." 452 00:25:16,641 --> 00:25:19,517 And that's... You know, it was... 453 00:25:20,895 --> 00:25:22,645 He still wouldn't call 911. 454 00:25:24,398 --> 00:25:28,234 So I hung up, and I called my dad. 455 00:25:28,569 --> 00:25:30,027 Why did you call your dad? 456 00:25:32,031 --> 00:25:35,533 Because he wasn't calling 911 anyway, and so I thought, 457 00:25:35,618 --> 00:25:36,659 well, dad... 458 00:25:38,538 --> 00:25:40,704 Dad would know. Dad could do it. 459 00:25:41,749 --> 00:25:43,499 Sir, if I could get you to come right up here, please. 460 00:25:43,584 --> 00:25:45,501 Dad is taking the stand. 461 00:25:46,128 --> 00:25:47,753 I can only imagine what he's gonna say. 462 00:25:47,838 --> 00:25:48,879 Raise your right hand for me, please. 463 00:25:48,923 --> 00:25:50,256 Do you swear to tell the truth, 464 00:25:50,341 --> 00:25:52,550 the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? 465 00:25:52,635 --> 00:25:54,885 I got a phone call from my daughter. 466 00:25:54,929 --> 00:25:56,512 She said, 467 00:25:58,140 --> 00:25:59,181 "dad, 468 00:26:02,311 --> 00:26:03,686 "mom's dead." 469 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,399 And then I took off for home 470 00:26:10,653 --> 00:26:13,362 as fast as I could get there. 471 00:26:14,031 --> 00:26:16,031 Jason was talking on the phone. 472 00:26:16,158 --> 00:26:17,825 I didn't even stop, 473 00:26:17,910 --> 00:26:20,369 I just went running in the house. 474 00:26:21,747 --> 00:26:22,913 What did you see? 475 00:26:23,416 --> 00:26:25,708 I found Shirley on the floor, 476 00:26:27,295 --> 00:26:29,086 and she was dead. 477 00:26:29,839 --> 00:26:31,755 And then I picked her head up 478 00:26:31,799 --> 00:26:33,924 and I kissed her on the forehead, 479 00:26:35,136 --> 00:26:36,260 and she was cold. 480 00:26:39,890 --> 00:26:41,098 What did you do? 481 00:26:42,351 --> 00:26:45,102 I said, "Jason, look how she's laying. 482 00:26:46,522 --> 00:26:48,272 "You don't die that way." 483 00:26:49,317 --> 00:26:53,110 How would you explain your emotional state? 484 00:26:53,654 --> 00:26:55,112 I was a mess. 485 00:26:56,574 --> 00:26:58,115 It was terrible. 486 00:27:00,453 --> 00:27:02,453 They say your life can change in an instant, 487 00:27:04,373 --> 00:27:05,956 and it did. 488 00:27:07,543 --> 00:27:08,626 It changed. 489 00:27:09,378 --> 00:27:11,128 And it'll never be the same. 490 00:27:14,175 --> 00:27:16,342 Out of all of the days of trial so far, 491 00:27:16,427 --> 00:27:17,635 this has been the worst. 492 00:27:18,262 --> 00:27:19,887 None of these people offered anything 493 00:27:19,972 --> 00:27:23,390 that tended to show that Jason was responsible for this crime. 494 00:27:23,684 --> 00:27:25,768 But because they're family members 495 00:27:25,811 --> 00:27:27,645 who believe that Jason is responsible, 496 00:27:27,730 --> 00:27:29,688 and that comes off as they testify, 497 00:27:29,774 --> 00:27:32,650 is something that the jury could take into consideration. 498 00:27:41,202 --> 00:27:43,494 To have my family testify against me 499 00:27:46,624 --> 00:27:47,831 is terrible. 500 00:27:49,543 --> 00:27:51,960 They're not allowed to say that I murdered mom, 501 00:27:52,922 --> 00:27:55,506 but basically, by them taking the stand 502 00:27:55,591 --> 00:27:56,924 for the prosecution, 503 00:27:57,009 --> 00:27:58,509 shows the jury 504 00:27:59,637 --> 00:28:00,969 whose side they're on. 505 00:28:03,224 --> 00:28:06,600 Any kind of loving relationship that we would have had 506 00:28:07,436 --> 00:28:10,813 was completely shredded by agent ludwick. 507 00:28:11,774 --> 00:28:13,899 He did his utmost 508 00:28:13,984 --> 00:28:17,069 to tear the family completely apart. 509 00:28:18,572 --> 00:28:21,699 I am looking forward to seeing agent ludwick take the stand, 510 00:28:21,784 --> 00:28:26,870 because he is going to be their demise. 511 00:28:40,553 --> 00:28:43,512 The state didn't call their lead investigator. 512 00:28:43,973 --> 00:28:47,182 I don't recall any trial 513 00:28:47,268 --> 00:28:48,434 that I've been involved in 514 00:28:48,477 --> 00:28:51,019 where the lead investigator wasn't called, 515 00:28:51,105 --> 00:28:53,397 and certainly not in a murder trial. 516 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,900 We now need to decide whether to call ludwick. 517 00:28:57,445 --> 00:29:00,863 This is a decision that could make this case 518 00:29:00,906 --> 00:29:03,240 or that could be an absolute disaster. 519 00:29:06,162 --> 00:29:07,828 We need to talk about the strategy 520 00:29:07,913 --> 00:29:09,371 for this trial again. 521 00:29:09,957 --> 00:29:11,915 I didn't anticipate the state wouldn't put on 522 00:29:12,001 --> 00:29:14,543 any detective or investigator. 523 00:29:15,212 --> 00:29:16,712 If we bring in ludwick, 524 00:29:16,756 --> 00:29:19,214 we've got all sorts of great information there. 525 00:29:19,759 --> 00:29:23,552 But if he comes in and says, "shucks, I tried, 526 00:29:24,472 --> 00:29:26,013 "but everything points to Jason." 527 00:29:26,098 --> 00:29:27,890 I've been told for so long 528 00:29:27,975 --> 00:29:29,558 that these people are gonna come in 529 00:29:29,643 --> 00:29:30,934 and make a big difference 530 00:29:30,978 --> 00:29:33,771 that's really gonna cast a shadow of a doubt. 531 00:29:33,814 --> 00:29:35,063 And now you're telling me 532 00:29:35,149 --> 00:29:36,899 we're not gonna bring any of it in? 533 00:29:38,486 --> 00:29:40,486 Right now, there's no face on this investigation. 534 00:29:40,571 --> 00:29:43,197 No face other than me, 535 00:29:43,449 --> 00:29:45,282 and I catch those jurors looking at me 536 00:29:45,367 --> 00:29:47,117 non-stop all day long. 537 00:29:47,453 --> 00:29:48,577 There's a lot of risk 538 00:29:49,079 --> 00:29:50,454 in putting them on. 539 00:29:51,248 --> 00:29:53,165 But is there a lot of risk in not sharing 540 00:29:53,250 --> 00:29:54,625 with them what we know? 541 00:29:55,461 --> 00:29:56,627 I mean... -Yeah. 542 00:29:57,296 --> 00:29:59,463 I made some promises, not anticipating 543 00:29:59,548 --> 00:30:01,298 that the state wouldn't put on their investigator. 544 00:30:01,759 --> 00:30:03,133 If we go this road, 545 00:30:03,177 --> 00:30:05,135 I'll go after 'em, 546 00:30:05,179 --> 00:30:07,805 but it's your case, and the final decision has to be yours. 547 00:30:09,225 --> 00:30:10,933 Because if we lose, 548 00:30:11,018 --> 00:30:14,228 you will always decide that that was the wrong decision. 549 00:30:14,605 --> 00:30:18,774 We know you are going above and beyond. 550 00:30:19,860 --> 00:30:21,401 And we do trust you. 551 00:30:21,487 --> 00:30:23,946 It's just we're scared. 552 00:30:23,989 --> 00:30:25,489 I get that. 553 00:30:26,534 --> 00:30:29,117 We have two kids that he has to come home to. 554 00:30:39,505 --> 00:30:41,797 The entire case has led up to today. 555 00:30:48,389 --> 00:30:50,472 Ludwick's taking the stand today. 556 00:30:51,642 --> 00:30:52,975 We'll see if... 557 00:30:53,060 --> 00:30:56,144 If he's gonna fess up to all of his wrongdoings. 558 00:30:57,064 --> 00:30:59,356 Man, he's lied his ass off the whole way through, 559 00:31:00,067 --> 00:31:02,860 so I just keep waiting for horns to sprout out of his head, 560 00:31:02,903 --> 00:31:05,028 so that people can really see how he is. 561 00:31:10,494 --> 00:31:13,036 Jason is excited for this evidence 562 00:31:13,122 --> 00:31:15,038 to be in front of the jury. 563 00:31:16,417 --> 00:31:18,000 Like always, I'm just nervous. 564 00:31:22,047 --> 00:31:25,549 There are two possibilities with the state not putting on their lead investigator. 565 00:31:27,428 --> 00:31:29,344 Either they knew it was a weakness, 566 00:31:29,430 --> 00:31:31,388 or they're trying to bait US into doing it. 567 00:31:33,017 --> 00:31:34,725 My name is Mark ludwick, 568 00:31:35,644 --> 00:31:38,270 spelled l-u-d-w-i-c-k. 569 00:31:39,273 --> 00:31:41,398 All interviews and reports 570 00:31:41,442 --> 00:31:42,858 are supposed to come back to you 571 00:31:42,943 --> 00:31:45,027 for management of the investigation, aren't they? 572 00:31:45,070 --> 00:31:46,069 That's correct. 573 00:31:46,155 --> 00:31:49,531 I have hundreds and hundreds of documents 574 00:31:49,575 --> 00:31:51,283 and pages of interviews. 575 00:31:52,202 --> 00:31:54,036 Most of these interviews occurred 576 00:31:54,788 --> 00:31:56,747 after there were questions posed 577 00:31:56,790 --> 00:31:59,416 by Jason Carter's defense attorneys 578 00:31:59,501 --> 00:32:00,751 about what happened. 579 00:32:01,795 --> 00:32:02,920 That's correct, yes. 580 00:32:04,548 --> 00:32:05,756 Okay. 581 00:32:05,799 --> 00:32:07,925 Many, many people implicate 582 00:32:08,761 --> 00:32:09,927 Joel followill, 583 00:32:10,304 --> 00:32:11,428 John followill, 584 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,221 or Joe sedlock. Correct? 585 00:32:14,099 --> 00:32:16,600 Their names come up by multiple individuals. 586 00:32:16,936 --> 00:32:19,269 There are multiple reports 587 00:32:19,355 --> 00:32:22,064 alleging that Joe sedlock, John followill, 588 00:32:22,149 --> 00:32:25,943 and Joel followill were involved in the homicide. 589 00:32:27,780 --> 00:32:30,113 Yes, I believe we were told that. 590 00:32:30,491 --> 00:32:31,448 Um... 591 00:32:31,533 --> 00:32:32,908 Charity rausch said 592 00:32:33,285 --> 00:32:35,702 they were supposed to be getting medication 593 00:32:35,788 --> 00:32:37,996 that was coming in the mail, but something went wrong. 594 00:32:38,207 --> 00:32:39,581 Joel got startled, 595 00:32:39,625 --> 00:32:41,291 and the gun went off accidentally, 596 00:32:41,377 --> 00:32:43,293 but that Joe sedlock went back 597 00:32:43,379 --> 00:32:46,254 and fired a shot to kill the woman. 598 00:32:47,758 --> 00:32:49,091 Is that correct? 599 00:32:49,510 --> 00:32:50,634 Yes, I believe that's correct. 600 00:32:51,095 --> 00:32:52,302 To this date, 601 00:32:53,597 --> 00:32:54,805 are you aware 602 00:32:55,891 --> 00:32:58,433 of any alibi evidence 603 00:32:58,477 --> 00:33:00,477 for either of those three individuals? 604 00:33:03,857 --> 00:33:06,149 Regarding the, the... On June 19th? 605 00:33:06,193 --> 00:33:08,860 For the morning of June 19th, 2015. 606 00:33:09,196 --> 00:33:12,656 No. I... I do not know where Joe sedlock was. 607 00:33:12,950 --> 00:33:15,117 I do not know where John followill was. 608 00:33:15,202 --> 00:33:17,327 And I do not know where Joel followill was. 609 00:33:26,714 --> 00:33:27,838 Agent ludwick. 610 00:33:27,881 --> 00:33:28,839 Yes, ma'am. 611 00:33:29,550 --> 00:33:31,341 Many, many people 612 00:33:31,427 --> 00:33:34,845 say that it was a burglary gone wrong. 613 00:33:35,639 --> 00:33:37,347 Yeah, burglary gone wrong 614 00:33:37,433 --> 00:33:38,849 was something that we knew 615 00:33:38,934 --> 00:33:40,976 by noon on the day of the homicide 616 00:33:41,061 --> 00:33:42,853 was going around the small community. 617 00:33:44,106 --> 00:33:46,189 John followill and Joel followill 618 00:33:46,233 --> 00:33:47,315 were known to be involved 619 00:33:47,401 --> 00:33:48,859 in a number of burglaries, weren't they? 620 00:33:50,112 --> 00:33:54,239 They had been, but they aren't violent individuals. 621 00:33:54,324 --> 00:33:57,534 That's not in their nature or character that I felt. 622 00:33:58,162 --> 00:33:59,536 You testified 623 00:34:00,706 --> 00:34:02,205 that neither of the followills 624 00:34:02,291 --> 00:34:03,957 had a history of violence. 625 00:34:04,376 --> 00:34:07,169 Were you aware that Joel followill 626 00:34:07,212 --> 00:34:10,589 has convictions for four assaults, 627 00:34:10,674 --> 00:34:12,215 two domestic assaults, 628 00:34:12,301 --> 00:34:14,134 and burglary second? 629 00:34:14,595 --> 00:34:15,844 Yes, ma'am, I'm aware of that. 630 00:34:16,638 --> 00:34:19,556 And that John followill 631 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,558 has at least two convictions for assault? 632 00:34:23,187 --> 00:34:25,353 I remember he had assaults on his record, yes, 633 00:34:25,439 --> 00:34:27,230 but I... No further questions. 634 00:34:37,326 --> 00:34:38,867 We've decided to rest. 635 00:34:40,287 --> 00:34:44,414 It is always a difficult decision to rest your case, 636 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,209 but we feel very good about where we ended. 637 00:34:47,294 --> 00:34:49,878 The testimony from agent ludwick 638 00:34:49,963 --> 00:34:54,382 really provided a clear picture, and we hope the jury sees that. 639 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,636 So, no more witnesses. 640 00:34:57,721 --> 00:34:59,221 No me. No Shelly. 641 00:35:00,307 --> 00:35:02,099 I kinda feel like I'm in limbo. 642 00:35:05,062 --> 00:35:08,105 Jason would like every single bit of the story to be known. 643 00:35:08,690 --> 00:35:10,440 And it's tough for him not to have 644 00:35:10,526 --> 00:35:13,193 every single detail in front of this jury. 645 00:35:13,654 --> 00:35:15,112 But he also understands 646 00:35:15,322 --> 00:35:17,114 that we've reached the point 647 00:35:17,157 --> 00:35:19,616 where it may be in our best interest 648 00:35:19,701 --> 00:35:21,618 to just end on our strongest notes. 649 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,753 We start closing arguments today. 650 00:35:32,714 --> 00:35:36,133 Hopefully the jurors can see right through all the , but... 651 00:35:42,266 --> 00:35:45,308 We only spent two days with our side. 652 00:35:46,353 --> 00:35:47,686 That makes me really nervous, 653 00:35:48,897 --> 00:35:51,481 'cause we kinda cut a lot of our stuff short. 654 00:35:54,027 --> 00:35:55,277 We give our closings, 655 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:56,903 and then it's all up to the jury. 656 00:35:57,656 --> 00:35:59,823 Ed bull, he's a skilled litigator, 657 00:35:59,867 --> 00:36:02,325 but there's no amount of skill that overcomes facts. 658 00:36:09,626 --> 00:36:15,005 This was a case built against Jason Carter 659 00:36:15,090 --> 00:36:16,882 instead of a case 660 00:36:16,967 --> 00:36:20,218 trying to solve a crime and look at all the clues. 661 00:36:20,679 --> 00:36:22,179 You gotta believe someone went downstairs, 662 00:36:22,264 --> 00:36:23,513 found a gun in that basement, 663 00:36:23,599 --> 00:36:24,973 came back upstairs, shot her, 664 00:36:25,017 --> 00:36:26,266 instead of walking out the door. 665 00:36:26,685 --> 00:36:29,686 The state's own criminalist said, 666 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,856 "I'm not aware of any forensic evidence." 667 00:36:32,941 --> 00:36:35,150 There are only two people who know what happened that day, 668 00:36:35,777 --> 00:36:37,402 one of them's dead, 669 00:36:37,487 --> 00:36:38,862 and the other one's sitting in that chair. 670 00:36:38,906 --> 00:36:40,864 Find him guilty as charged. 671 00:36:42,492 --> 00:36:45,452 Jason Carter couldn't possibly be guilty. 672 00:36:45,537 --> 00:36:49,206 I ask you to return a verdict of not guilty. 673 00:36:51,919 --> 00:36:55,420 With that, take the 12 members of the panel 674 00:36:55,505 --> 00:36:56,713 into the jury room. 675 00:37:16,401 --> 00:37:17,400 Well... 676 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:19,903 Jury's in deliberation, 677 00:37:19,947 --> 00:37:21,196 eating their dinner, 678 00:37:21,782 --> 00:37:23,240 and, 679 00:37:24,201 --> 00:37:26,076 they'll start to decide my fate. 680 00:37:33,877 --> 00:37:36,586 Kenny sent me a message this morning, and so did chase. 681 00:37:37,130 --> 00:37:39,214 And I'm just sending them a message back. 682 00:37:40,676 --> 00:37:42,592 "Daddy loves you both," 683 00:37:44,304 --> 00:37:45,929 "and your brother very much." 684 00:37:48,642 --> 00:37:50,392 I said, "you take good care of mama." 685 00:37:54,064 --> 00:37:55,939 "Just in case." 686 00:38:03,991 --> 00:38:05,448 Okay, we'll be right there. 687 00:38:05,909 --> 00:38:06,950 They've got a verdict. 688 00:38:08,203 --> 00:38:09,369 I need to call... 689 00:38:09,454 --> 00:38:10,704 You guys need to get here right now, 690 00:38:10,789 --> 00:38:11,788 they've called a verdict. 691 00:38:12,916 --> 00:38:14,791 Are they done? Yeah. 692 00:38:17,004 --> 00:38:17,961 What can that mean? 693 00:38:19,798 --> 00:38:21,756 Okay. Sam, we've got a verdict. 694 00:38:21,842 --> 00:38:22,966 We do whatever you say. 695 00:38:23,510 --> 00:38:24,467 Okay? 696 00:38:27,806 --> 00:38:28,930 How can that be? 697 00:38:31,685 --> 00:38:32,809 They didn't look at anything. 698 00:38:33,478 --> 00:38:35,061 Maybe because they already know, Jason. 699 00:38:35,147 --> 00:38:36,187 Come on. 700 00:38:36,273 --> 00:38:37,314 How can that be, Sam? 701 00:39:25,906 --> 00:39:28,406 Ladies and gentlemen, have you reached a verdict? 702 00:39:28,492 --> 00:39:29,699 Yes, we have. 703 00:39:37,292 --> 00:39:40,001 "We, the jury, find Jason Carter 704 00:39:43,799 --> 00:39:45,173 "not guilty." 705 00:39:45,592 --> 00:39:47,384 Is that your verdict, 706 00:39:47,469 --> 00:39:48,635 ladies and gentlemen? 707 00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:49,886 Yes, it is. 708 00:39:51,056 --> 00:39:53,640 Mr. Bull, do you care to have the jury polled? 709 00:39:53,725 --> 00:39:54,766 No, sir. 710 00:39:54,851 --> 00:39:55,850 Very well. 711 00:40:19,918 --> 00:40:21,918 I know. I know. 712 00:40:23,713 --> 00:40:24,921 Hi, Cecil. 713 00:40:27,509 --> 00:40:28,633 I am so glad. 714 00:40:29,636 --> 00:40:31,261 I can't believe it. 715 00:40:31,471 --> 00:40:32,554 Finally. 716 00:40:37,018 --> 00:40:38,768 I'm so happy. 717 00:40:40,897 --> 00:40:42,105 Let's go home. 718 00:40:42,816 --> 00:40:44,274 Yeah, we're going home. 719 00:40:59,541 --> 00:41:00,915 It's just a huge weight 720 00:41:01,001 --> 00:41:03,251 lifted off all of our backs. 721 00:41:04,796 --> 00:41:06,963 My mom can rest a little easier. 722 00:41:09,843 --> 00:41:12,343 It doesn't feel like I finally got justice, 723 00:41:13,930 --> 00:41:18,141 because whoever did this to my mom is still walking around. 724 00:41:21,021 --> 00:41:23,813 I'll never give up on trying to figure out 725 00:41:24,858 --> 00:41:25,982 who did this to her. 726 00:41:27,486 --> 00:41:28,818 My mom deserves that. 727 00:41:32,616 --> 00:41:34,032 My kids deserve that. 728 00:41:34,117 --> 00:41:35,492 My wife deserves that. 729 00:41:37,996 --> 00:41:41,498 And as much as I dislike my dad and my siblings, 730 00:41:41,583 --> 00:41:42,790 they deserve it too. 731 00:41:49,382 --> 00:41:51,841 I guess it's up to me to try and figure out 732 00:41:58,433 --> 00:41:59,849 What happened to mom. 55273

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