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I'm being accused of murdering my mom by my dad,
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my sister, and my brother.
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Murder in the first degree
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in Iowa carries a sentence of life
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without the possibility
of parole.
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Right away, Jason Carter
became my primary suspect.
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Every time he would cry,
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I chuckle at his lack
of drama skills.
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Ludwick absolutely used
the affair against me.
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Jason wasn't honest with me.
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But having an affair
doesn't equal murder.
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If you can show that
somebody has lied
in the past,
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it brings the question
to the jury's mind,
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"well, are they lying now?"
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We've received audio recordings
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that may help US
solve this murder case.
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Holy moly.
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You're putting your life in the hands of 12 jurors.
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Win or lose,
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I want to lay it all out there
like it really is.
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Hi, guys.
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Hey, guys.
How are you?
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This is our friend,
agent ludwick.
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So how can we use that?
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Well, that's what we were
debating right now.
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How we could use it
is the question.
How we could use it.
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Keep going.
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I can unequivocally say
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the wrong person
has been charged
in this murder.
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And we don't have
a report from him.
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I think the response of my entire team
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shows that we were all
truly surprised,
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not just by the content
of the recording,
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but by the lack of follow-up.
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For US, this is certainly information
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that calls into question the investigation,
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calls into question the statements about Jason,
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calls into question
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the analysis of what really
happened on June 19th, 2015.
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We have
a pre-trial hearing tomorrow.
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I really hope that
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information that
we've obtained today
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can be admissible
in the trial.
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The judge and the jury
really need to know
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everything that we know,
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and for them
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to be denied that
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will never bring justice.
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Cases are often made before you go to trial.
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You learn what evidence is
going to come in and what isn't,
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and that really shapes
how the trial is going to go.
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The state wants to exclude
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almost all
or all of the evidence
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of these other suspects
and anything pointing to that.
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We obviously think that's something
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the jury should be allowed to consider.
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We're presented with an issue
here in terms of admissibility,
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because typically
these kinds of statements
are hearsay,
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and they're not admissible
in court
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for the truth
of the matter asserted.
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However, that's not why we're offering it.
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We're offering it to show
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that law enforcement did absolutely nothing with those reports,
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that law enforcementdid a really bad investigation.
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If the judge rules against US, it would be a big blow to US.
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So the outcome of this hearing could make or break the case.
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Thank you.
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Good morning, everyone.
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We will just start at the top.
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Ms. Branstad.
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Your honor, in this case,
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we have statements
by law enforcement
showing bias,
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and we have statements
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showing an unwillingness
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to pursue leads.
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There is one recording
in which the witness says,
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"I've heard a..."
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I think it's,
"a lot from a lot of people."
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And the officer's
response is,
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"well, that's just
all speculation
and hearsay,"
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and ends the interview
without asking
anything else.
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We wouldn't
be offering it to
prove that that witness
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knew a lot of things
from a lot of other people,
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it's to show the bias
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that this officer
didn't even ask
the question of,
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"who told you what?"
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This is hearsay.
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How is this
going to be admissible?
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Your honor,
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truly most investigations
like this start with
hearsay testimony.
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One person heard something,
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and then the investigator
has to follow through
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and go to the next person,
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and go to the next person.
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Your honor, I can say that
I have no intention
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to stand up
in closing argument and say,
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"Joe sedlock
is absolutely responsible,"
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or, "John followill
is absolutely responsible."
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What I do intend to say,
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if this evidence
is admitted is,
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"we don't know,
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"because these leads
were not followed through."
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It sounds like
we're all accepting
the fact it's hearsay.
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There is no permissible way
to get this evidence in
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for the truth of
the matter asserted.
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They're talking
sloppy police work.
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Okay. So the defense
can say over and over
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that this was
a surface investigation.
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They maybe even believe it.
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But it doesn't make it true.
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The jury is entitled
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to be able
to make a decision
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based on what weight to afford
a particular piece of testimony.
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But, judge,
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that piece of testimony
or evidence
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still has to be admissible
under our rules of evidence,
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and the defense has yet
to give you a cognitive reason
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under the
Iowa rules of evidence.
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Anything else
on behalf of the defendant?
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No, your honor.
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Very well.
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I will consider
the arguments,
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and I'll get
a ruling on file.
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See you all
a week from tomorrow.
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Thank you, your honor.
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Thank you,
your honor.
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It is really important for the jury to understand
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the lens through which
law enforcement
was viewing this case,
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which was solely focused
on Jason Carter
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to the exclusion of
everything else.
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If the jury is presented with that information,
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it will have to raise a question in their mind
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of, "can we really find
this guy guilty
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"if law enforcement
didn't do its job?"
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Two-zero.
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Hey,
it's the operator.
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Dang it!
Nine-zero.
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Wait. Whoa, it's my bat.
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McKenna's class
made a book,
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and I just...
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I just wanna share with you
McKenna's page.
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Um...
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She said,
"I want to be a lawyer
when I grow up.
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"I want to make a difference
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"by helping people prove
themselves innocent.
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"By McKenna."
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It just makes me
so proud of my daughter.
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It makes me realize that
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this has been harder on them
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than I even know sometimes.
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Both the kids mean the world to me.
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You know.
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I don't know
what I'd do without 'em.
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Murder brings a life sentence
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without parole.
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A life sentence
is as long as you live
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until you die.
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You will die in prison.
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It's a pretty scary deal.
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Okay.
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I'm fighting for my life...
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For my family and my mom.
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My attorneys said that information
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that's been provided to US could be considered hearsay.
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That's the only reason
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it may not be put
in front of a jury.
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The judge has ruled
in our favor,
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and so we get to bring in
the hearsay statements
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to show what wasn't done
in the investigation.
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Yeah.
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That's probably
the biggest win for US.
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That ruling is
essential to our case,
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because a great deal
of this case revolves around
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leads that we believe
weren't followed,
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information that wasn't pursued
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and our criticisms in this case of the investigation.
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We needed an impartial judge, and we got one.
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It's great. It's exactly
what should have been done.
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Nate went down to the Marion county sheriff's office yesterday
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to look at the physical evidencebefore they bring itdown for trial.
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They found a box that ludwick dropped off this month
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full of 90 discs
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that were labelled blank,
but weren't blank,
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or labelled as something
that they weren't.
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Absolutely
UN-freaking-believable.
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Yeah.
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Special agent Mark ludwick dropped off this box of evidence
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to the Marion county sheriff's office
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several weeks ago,
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and we're just now
receiving it
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three days before
trial starts.
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We don't know what is on these discs.
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The box says there's 93 discs in it.
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There's only 80.
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The discs are mislabeled.
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Some of them are blank.
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Some of them say they're blank,and they're not blank.
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It's just a total organizational disaster.
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I don't know if special agent Mark ludwick maliciously withheld evidence.
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I don't know if it was simply an oversight.
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But most certainly
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we should have been given
all of this evidence
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months and months ago.
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We're not aware of anything
that harms US in the case,
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but we don't know if there
is substantially helpful
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information in there.
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And so that is just...
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It's disheartening,
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and it makes it
hard to go to trial
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feeling less
than fully prepared.
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This is so hard
because I promised Jason
early on in this case
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the one thing that
he could count on
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is if I went into trial,
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I would know every detail
of every bit of evidence.
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That was my promise.
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Yeah.
I said,
"that's what I will do."
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And if we go
into trial now,
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I'm not keeping
that promise.
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I feel like we're
at an advantage right now,
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but I also wonder
if it's irresponsible
to go into trial
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without having
a thorough understanding
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of everything
that's on these discs.
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There is
a certain part of me
that just feels
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so ready
for this trial...-
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...despite not having
aspects that I want
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in the structure behind US.
-Yeah.
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Man, I just wanna get
in front of a jury,
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and I've got
a lot of emotional...
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I just want it right now.
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Here's my plan.
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Full steam ahead like we're
going to trial on Tuesday.
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Yeah.
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Man, I gotta really
trust in her
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that she's making
the right decision.
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I have no choice
other than to keep fighting.
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You can't give up now.
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We've decided that we are going to go ahead with this trial.
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It's a risk.
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It's definitely a gamble
to some degree.
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But that's what
we're gonna do,
we're gonna do trial.
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A note from Kenny...
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"You are the best!
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"You're awesome, dad."
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I'm very worriedabout what might happen.
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The kids would be
beyond devastated
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if their dad didn't come home.
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What?
248
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Are you gonna say
goodbye to chase?
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Yeah.
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If things aren't
made right,
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I don't know what I'll do.
252
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Okay.
253
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Give me a hug, chase.
254
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Bye, Katie.
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Make sure
you take care of mom.
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And be nice to your sister.
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No family should go through what we've had to go through.
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We just want peace,
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peace for our children,
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peace for our family,
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Okay.
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I've got a tag
I can't get off this new suit.
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I might have to use a knife.
264
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Opening statements
are today and...
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00:17:03,106 --> 00:17:05,857
Well, I've had
some friends tell me that
opening statements are
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the make it or break it
type thing.
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Um...
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00:17:13,366 --> 00:17:15,324
You know, I guess
I don't know. We'll find out.
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Scared as hell.
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It's always just
incredibly scary
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to go up in front
of a jury,
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00:17:23,418 --> 00:17:25,877
and there's a lot
on the line in this case.
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First day today, so...
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Um...
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Gonna be a big day.
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Opening statements are always difficult,
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because nothing comes in exactly as you plan.
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You may be seated.
Thank you.
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The prosecutor is ed bull.
280
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Our styles are very different.
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He's incredibly theatrical.
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Sometimes that goes over well with juries,
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sometimes it doesn't.
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It happens in the kitchen
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of her home.
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Somebody
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fires a high-powered
.270 caliber rifle
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at Shirley Carter.
289
00:18:18,139 --> 00:18:19,764
The bullet
strikes her in the side.
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00:18:19,849 --> 00:18:22,100
It carves a path
through her chest,
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shattering ribs
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and punching holes
in her lung and heart.
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With Shirley Carter lying
flat on her back,
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the shooter racks
another round
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00:18:34,531 --> 00:18:36,322
into the chamber
of that rifle,
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00:18:36,658 --> 00:18:38,116
aims dead center
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00:18:38,535 --> 00:18:40,118
at Shirley Carter's chest,
298
00:18:41,162 --> 00:18:44,080
and pulls the trigger again.
299
00:18:45,333 --> 00:18:47,792
The evidence will establish
that somebody
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00:18:50,338 --> 00:18:51,671
acted maliciously
301
00:18:52,340 --> 00:18:54,465
and with the
specific intent to kill.
302
00:18:55,885 --> 00:18:57,426
What we will prove to you
303
00:18:57,846 --> 00:19:00,638
is that there are
clues that lead
to only one conclusion.
304
00:19:01,015 --> 00:19:02,849
We will ask
that you return a verdict
305
00:19:02,934 --> 00:19:04,976
finding Jason Carter guilty
306
00:19:05,395 --> 00:19:06,769
of murder in the first degree.
307
00:19:08,940 --> 00:19:09,981
Thank you.
308
00:19:21,953 --> 00:19:23,452
What I'm going
to ask of you
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00:19:23,496 --> 00:19:25,663
is, over the course
of this trial,
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00:19:26,374 --> 00:19:28,416
to look and see
if you think this was
311
00:19:29,169 --> 00:19:31,460
a normal and
perfect investigation,
312
00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:35,214
or if very significant parts
of this investigation
313
00:19:35,550 --> 00:19:36,966
weren't followed through.
314
00:19:38,344 --> 00:19:40,011
The timeline
doesn't make sense.
315
00:19:40,930 --> 00:19:42,346
There was no motive.
316
00:19:42,765 --> 00:19:44,974
One investigator
in particular
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00:19:45,143 --> 00:19:47,185
went after Jason Carter
318
00:19:47,228 --> 00:19:49,729
and ignored
all the other clues.
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00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:51,647
And at the end
of this case,
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00:19:52,108 --> 00:19:53,691
I will ask you
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00:19:53,735 --> 00:19:55,443
to enter a verdict
322
00:19:55,528 --> 00:19:56,694
of not guilty.
323
00:19:58,573 --> 00:19:59,697
Thank you.
324
00:20:00,617 --> 00:20:03,492
Now, the state of Iowa
calls Michael halverson.
325
00:20:04,579 --> 00:20:05,578
The first week of trial's
326
00:20:05,663 --> 00:20:06,871
always stressful for the defense,
327
00:20:06,956 --> 00:20:08,831
because the prosecution gets to go first.
328
00:20:09,584 --> 00:20:12,043
It can be really frustrating,
because you do feel like
329
00:20:12,128 --> 00:20:13,711
you're just getting
hit after hit,
330
00:20:13,755 --> 00:20:15,213
and there's really very little
331
00:20:15,256 --> 00:20:17,715
that you can do about it until the state is done.
332
00:20:19,010 --> 00:20:20,843
I'm employed
as a criminalist
333
00:20:21,429 --> 00:20:24,222
for the Iowa division
of criminal investigation.
334
00:20:24,933 --> 00:20:27,391
The prosecution is going to use him as a foundational witness,
335
00:20:27,435 --> 00:20:28,601
someone to say,
336
00:20:28,686 --> 00:20:30,061
"yes, this is a photograph
of the kitchen,
337
00:20:30,146 --> 00:20:31,520
"facing this direction.
338
00:20:31,606 --> 00:20:32,980
"This is why
we took this photograph.
339
00:20:33,066 --> 00:20:34,315
"This is why we think
it is significant."
340
00:20:34,901 --> 00:20:36,817
When you entered
the bedroom,
341
00:20:37,403 --> 00:20:40,071
was there anything specific
that you observed?
342
00:20:40,406 --> 00:20:42,782
Yes. The chest of drawers
343
00:20:42,867 --> 00:20:44,575
had two drawers
pulled out.
344
00:20:44,953 --> 00:20:46,494
We fingerprint dusted
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00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,080
the top of thischest of drawers.
346
00:20:49,874 --> 00:20:51,499
Did the crime scene team
347
00:20:51,751 --> 00:20:53,584
process the living room
of the residence?
348
00:20:54,128 --> 00:20:55,586
Yes,
we did process it.
349
00:20:55,797 --> 00:20:58,422
But it did appear uninvolved,
350
00:20:58,508 --> 00:20:59,840
undisturbed,
351
00:20:59,926 --> 00:21:03,261
so it was not examined
with the same vigor
352
00:21:03,346 --> 00:21:05,054
that the kitchen was,
for example.
353
00:21:06,516 --> 00:21:07,807
To your knowledge,
354
00:21:07,892 --> 00:21:11,352
there is
no forensic evidence
355
00:21:11,813 --> 00:21:13,729
that implicates
Jason Carter?
356
00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,440
That statement is correct.
357
00:21:17,568 --> 00:21:18,609
I would...
358
00:21:18,695 --> 00:21:20,403
I would like to say that
359
00:21:20,488 --> 00:21:21,862
what I said was...
360
00:21:21,948 --> 00:21:24,240
I would say I had
no forensic evidence
361
00:21:24,492 --> 00:21:25,741
that I was aware of,
362
00:21:25,785 --> 00:21:27,952
no DNA, no fingerprints,
363
00:21:28,037 --> 00:21:29,954
no ballistic evidence
364
00:21:29,998 --> 00:21:32,540
that said Jason Carter
was responsible
365
00:21:32,625 --> 00:21:34,583
or not responsible
for this death.
366
00:21:36,337 --> 00:21:37,795
I have no further questions.
367
00:21:41,384 --> 00:21:42,717
That's the only question
that matters
368
00:21:42,802 --> 00:21:44,051
when it comes to forensic.
369
00:21:44,137 --> 00:21:46,470
Does any of this link
Jason Carter to the crime?
370
00:21:46,556 --> 00:21:48,306
No? Okay, we're done.
371
00:21:50,184 --> 00:21:52,435
The state will call
Laurie goff.
372
00:21:55,940 --> 00:21:58,482
Laurie goff was
the first person
with a medical background
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00:21:58,568 --> 00:21:59,984
to look at Shirley's body
that morning.
374
00:22:00,069 --> 00:22:03,237
She originally said Shirley had died several hours
375
00:22:03,323 --> 00:22:05,823
before Jason arrived at the crime scene.
376
00:22:05,908 --> 00:22:07,616
Do you swear to
tell the truth,
377
00:22:07,660 --> 00:22:09,493
the whole truth,
and nothing but the truth?
378
00:22:09,579 --> 00:22:10,619
Yes.
379
00:22:10,705 --> 00:22:11,662
Please be seated.
380
00:22:12,957 --> 00:22:14,332
The state is alleging
381
00:22:14,417 --> 00:22:16,917
that Jason had the time to do this in ten minutes.
382
00:22:17,378 --> 00:22:19,045
So the timeline is extremely important,
383
00:22:19,130 --> 00:22:20,129
because if we can show
384
00:22:20,173 --> 00:22:21,672
that she was killed
hours before,
385
00:22:21,716 --> 00:22:23,716
there is simply no way
that Jason did it.
386
00:22:24,761 --> 00:22:25,843
Now, while you were
in the residence,
387
00:22:25,887 --> 00:22:27,261
did you observe any blood?
388
00:22:27,347 --> 00:22:28,346
Yes.
389
00:22:28,639 --> 00:22:30,181
Was that blood dry?
390
00:22:30,558 --> 00:22:31,682
No.
391
00:22:32,143 --> 00:22:34,477
This was the report
that you wrote
immediately after
392
00:22:34,562 --> 00:22:36,479
being on the scene.
Is that correct?
393
00:22:36,564 --> 00:22:37,688
Correct.
394
00:22:37,940 --> 00:22:39,273
When you wrote it,
395
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,317
you wrote that
it was dried blood.
396
00:22:42,236 --> 00:22:43,527
Yes, inadvertently
that it was dried.
397
00:22:43,613 --> 00:22:44,987
It was not dried, it was wet.
398
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,491
At that time
it was your finding
399
00:22:49,035 --> 00:22:51,535
that it didn't happen
minutes ago,
400
00:22:51,829 --> 00:22:53,871
it had probably been
two or three hours.
401
00:22:55,041 --> 00:22:56,165
Correct.
402
00:22:56,834 --> 00:22:58,834
You found the
coagulation of the blood
403
00:22:58,878 --> 00:23:00,211
means that it had time
404
00:23:00,296 --> 00:23:01,879
to start the clotting process,
405
00:23:02,924 --> 00:23:05,341
so you knew that
she hadn't been there
for 12 hours,
406
00:23:05,676 --> 00:23:07,885
but you knew that
she had been there
longer than an hour?
407
00:23:08,930 --> 00:23:10,096
Possibly, yes.
408
00:23:11,015 --> 00:23:12,390
That's the time frame
I gave, yes.
409
00:23:14,102 --> 00:23:15,684
I do think that we were able to show
410
00:23:15,770 --> 00:23:17,436
Laurie goff's inconsistencies
411
00:23:17,772 --> 00:23:18,896
very clearly.
412
00:23:19,148 --> 00:23:20,648
Anything beyond ten minutes
413
00:23:20,733 --> 00:23:23,901
excludes Jason as being a suspect,
414
00:23:24,529 --> 00:23:25,861
because he couldn't
have been there
for that to happen.
415
00:23:30,034 --> 00:23:32,576
Jason's family will be on the stand tomorrow.
416
00:23:33,621 --> 00:23:35,079
The family interactions
417
00:23:35,123 --> 00:23:37,206
are one of the toughest parts
of this case.
418
00:23:39,001 --> 00:23:43,546
To have my family take the stand and say that I killed my mom,
419
00:23:45,383 --> 00:23:46,715
pretty low.
420
00:23:47,927 --> 00:23:49,260
I feel nervous...
421
00:23:50,179 --> 00:23:51,595
Scared.
422
00:23:53,808 --> 00:23:55,474
Most of the time
in a criminal case
423
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,935
your family sits behind you
and supports you and,
in this case,
424
00:23:59,105 --> 00:24:01,105
he's got his family
on the other side
of the courtroom.
425
00:24:10,825 --> 00:24:12,616
It's gonna be very hard for Jason
426
00:24:12,660 --> 00:24:16,120
to have to sit there as his family members testify against him.
427
00:24:16,164 --> 00:24:18,330
They won't be able
to directly state to the jury
428
00:24:18,416 --> 00:24:19,540
that they think Jason
429
00:24:19,625 --> 00:24:21,292
is responsible
for Shirley's death.
430
00:24:21,377 --> 00:24:23,043
I think it'll just be clear by the fact
431
00:24:23,129 --> 00:24:25,754
that they're testifying that they believe that Jason is guilty.
432
00:24:26,507 --> 00:24:27,965
Good morning.
You can come right up here.
Good morning.
433
00:24:28,009 --> 00:24:29,383
I'm sure everybody's gonna think,
434
00:24:29,469 --> 00:24:33,512
", that is one messed up family."
435
00:24:33,598 --> 00:24:35,306
Do you swear to
tell the whole truth
and nothing but the truth?
436
00:24:35,349 --> 00:24:36,974
Yes, I do.
Please be seated.
437
00:24:39,061 --> 00:24:40,978
I wanna talk about June 19th.
438
00:24:41,063 --> 00:24:44,315
Did you receive
a phone call
from your brother
439
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,151
a little after 11:00 A.M.?
440
00:24:47,195 --> 00:24:48,652
Yes, I did.
441
00:24:49,697 --> 00:24:50,988
He said,
442
00:24:51,032 --> 00:24:53,949
"mom is laying on
the kitchen floor
443
00:24:54,535 --> 00:24:55,993
"and she's dead."
444
00:24:56,078 --> 00:24:56,994
And...
445
00:24:57,788 --> 00:24:59,955
I said immediately...
446
00:24:59,999 --> 00:25:01,040
"No!"
447
00:25:01,125 --> 00:25:05,127
I... and I said,
"Jason, did you call 911?"
448
00:25:05,796 --> 00:25:08,506
And he said,
"no, it's too late.
449
00:25:08,591 --> 00:25:10,508
"She's cold. She's stiff.
She's dead."
450
00:25:11,928 --> 00:25:14,053
And I said,
"you don't know that."
451
00:25:14,138 --> 00:25:16,555
I said, "Jason,
you gotta call 911."
452
00:25:16,641 --> 00:25:19,517
And that's...
You know, it was...
453
00:25:20,895 --> 00:25:22,645
He still wouldn't call 911.
454
00:25:24,398 --> 00:25:28,234
So I hung up,
and I called my dad.
455
00:25:28,569 --> 00:25:30,027
Why did you
call your dad?
456
00:25:32,031 --> 00:25:35,533
Because he wasn't calling 911
anyway, and so I thought,
457
00:25:35,618 --> 00:25:36,659
well, dad...
458
00:25:38,538 --> 00:25:40,704
Dad would know.
Dad could do it.
459
00:25:41,749 --> 00:25:43,499
Sir, if I could get you
to come right up here, please.
460
00:25:43,584 --> 00:25:45,501
Dad is taking the stand.
461
00:25:46,128 --> 00:25:47,753
I can only imagine what he's gonna say.
462
00:25:47,838 --> 00:25:48,879
Raise your right hand
for me, please.
463
00:25:48,923 --> 00:25:50,256
Do you swear to tell the truth,
464
00:25:50,341 --> 00:25:52,550
the whole truth,
and nothing but the truth?
465
00:25:52,635 --> 00:25:54,885
I got a phone call
from my daughter.
466
00:25:54,929 --> 00:25:56,512
She said,
467
00:25:58,140 --> 00:25:59,181
"dad,
468
00:26:02,311 --> 00:26:03,686
"mom's dead."
469
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,399
And then I took off for home
470
00:26:10,653 --> 00:26:13,362
as fast
as I could get there.
471
00:26:14,031 --> 00:26:16,031
Jason was talking on the phone.
472
00:26:16,158 --> 00:26:17,825
I didn't even stop,
473
00:26:17,910 --> 00:26:20,369
I just went running
in the house.
474
00:26:21,747 --> 00:26:22,913
What did you see?
475
00:26:23,416 --> 00:26:25,708
I found Shirley on the floor,
476
00:26:27,295 --> 00:26:29,086
and she was dead.
477
00:26:29,839 --> 00:26:31,755
And then I picked her head up
478
00:26:31,799 --> 00:26:33,924
and I kissed her
on the forehead,
479
00:26:35,136 --> 00:26:36,260
and she was cold.
480
00:26:39,890 --> 00:26:41,098
What did you do?
481
00:26:42,351 --> 00:26:45,102
I said, "Jason,
look how she's laying.
482
00:26:46,522 --> 00:26:48,272
"You don't die that way."
483
00:26:49,317 --> 00:26:53,110
How would you explain
your emotional state?
484
00:26:53,654 --> 00:26:55,112
I was a mess.
485
00:26:56,574 --> 00:26:58,115
It was terrible.
486
00:27:00,453 --> 00:27:02,453
They say your life
can change in an instant,
487
00:27:04,373 --> 00:27:05,956
and it did.
488
00:27:07,543 --> 00:27:08,626
It changed.
489
00:27:09,378 --> 00:27:11,128
And it'll never be the same.
490
00:27:14,175 --> 00:27:16,342
Out of all of the days
of trial so far,
491
00:27:16,427 --> 00:27:17,635
this has been the worst.
492
00:27:18,262 --> 00:27:19,887
None of these people offered anything
493
00:27:19,972 --> 00:27:23,390
that tended to show that Jason was responsible for this crime.
494
00:27:23,684 --> 00:27:25,768
But because they're family members
495
00:27:25,811 --> 00:27:27,645
who believe that Jason is responsible,
496
00:27:27,730 --> 00:27:29,688
and that comes off as they testify,
497
00:27:29,774 --> 00:27:32,650
is something that the jury
could take into consideration.
498
00:27:41,202 --> 00:27:43,494
To have my family testify against me
499
00:27:46,624 --> 00:27:47,831
is terrible.
500
00:27:49,543 --> 00:27:51,960
They're not allowed to say that I murdered mom,
501
00:27:52,922 --> 00:27:55,506
but basically, by them taking the stand
502
00:27:55,591 --> 00:27:56,924
for the prosecution,
503
00:27:57,009 --> 00:27:58,509
shows the jury
504
00:27:59,637 --> 00:28:00,969
whose side they're on.
505
00:28:03,224 --> 00:28:06,600
Any kind of loving relationshipthat we would have had
506
00:28:07,436 --> 00:28:10,813
was completely shredded
by agent ludwick.
507
00:28:11,774 --> 00:28:13,899
He did his utmost
508
00:28:13,984 --> 00:28:17,069
to tear the family completely apart.
509
00:28:18,572 --> 00:28:21,699
I am looking forward
to seeing agent ludwick
take the stand,
510
00:28:21,784 --> 00:28:26,870
because he is going
to be their demise.
511
00:28:40,553 --> 00:28:43,512
The state didn't call their lead investigator.
512
00:28:43,973 --> 00:28:47,182
I don't recall any trial
513
00:28:47,268 --> 00:28:48,434
that I've been involved in
514
00:28:48,477 --> 00:28:51,019
where the lead investigator
wasn't called,
515
00:28:51,105 --> 00:28:53,397
and certainly not
in a murder trial.
516
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,900
We now need to decide whether to call ludwick.
517
00:28:57,445 --> 00:29:00,863
This is a decision
that could make this case
518
00:29:00,906 --> 00:29:03,240
or that could be
an absolute disaster.
519
00:29:06,162 --> 00:29:07,828
We need to talk about the strategy
520
00:29:07,913 --> 00:29:09,371
for this trial again.
521
00:29:09,957 --> 00:29:11,915
I didn't anticipate
the state wouldn't put on
522
00:29:12,001 --> 00:29:14,543
any detective or investigator.
523
00:29:15,212 --> 00:29:16,712
If we bring in ludwick,
524
00:29:16,756 --> 00:29:19,214
we've got all sorts of
great information there.
525
00:29:19,759 --> 00:29:23,552
But if he comes in and says,
"shucks, I tried,
526
00:29:24,472 --> 00:29:26,013
"but everything points
to Jason."
527
00:29:26,098 --> 00:29:27,890
I've been told for so long
528
00:29:27,975 --> 00:29:29,558
that these people
are gonna come in
529
00:29:29,643 --> 00:29:30,934
and make
a big difference
530
00:29:30,978 --> 00:29:33,771
that's really
gonna cast
a shadow of a doubt.
531
00:29:33,814 --> 00:29:35,063
And now you're telling me
532
00:29:35,149 --> 00:29:36,899
we're not gonna bring
any of it in?
533
00:29:38,486 --> 00:29:40,486
Right now, there's no face
on this investigation.
534
00:29:40,571 --> 00:29:43,197
No face other than me,
535
00:29:43,449 --> 00:29:45,282
and I catch those jurors
looking at me
536
00:29:45,367 --> 00:29:47,117
non-stop all day long.
537
00:29:47,453 --> 00:29:48,577
There's a lot of risk
538
00:29:49,079 --> 00:29:50,454
in putting them on.
539
00:29:51,248 --> 00:29:53,165
But is there
a lot of risk in not sharing
540
00:29:53,250 --> 00:29:54,625
with them what we know?
541
00:29:55,461 --> 00:29:56,627
I mean...
-Yeah.
542
00:29:57,296 --> 00:29:59,463
I made some promises,
not anticipating
543
00:29:59,548 --> 00:30:01,298
that the state wouldn't
put on their investigator.
544
00:30:01,759 --> 00:30:03,133
If we go this road,
545
00:30:03,177 --> 00:30:05,135
I'll go after 'em,
546
00:30:05,179 --> 00:30:07,805
but it's your case,
and the final decision
has to be yours.
547
00:30:09,225 --> 00:30:10,933
Because if we lose,
548
00:30:11,018 --> 00:30:14,228
you will always decide that
that was the wrong decision.
549
00:30:14,605 --> 00:30:18,774
We know you are
going above and beyond.
550
00:30:19,860 --> 00:30:21,401
And we do trust you.
551
00:30:21,487 --> 00:30:23,946
It's just we're scared.
552
00:30:23,989 --> 00:30:25,489
I get that.
553
00:30:26,534 --> 00:30:29,117
We have two kids
that he has to come home to.
554
00:30:39,505 --> 00:30:41,797
The entire case
has led up to today.
555
00:30:48,389 --> 00:30:50,472
Ludwick's taking the stand today.
556
00:30:51,642 --> 00:30:52,975
We'll see if...
557
00:30:53,060 --> 00:30:56,144
If he's gonna fess up to all of his wrongdoings.
558
00:30:57,064 --> 00:30:59,356
Man, he's lied his ass off
the whole way through,
559
00:31:00,067 --> 00:31:02,860
so I just keep waiting for horns to sprout out of his head,
560
00:31:02,903 --> 00:31:05,028
so that people can really see how he is.
561
00:31:10,494 --> 00:31:13,036
Jason is excited
for this evidence
562
00:31:13,122 --> 00:31:15,038
to be in front of the jury.
563
00:31:16,417 --> 00:31:18,000
Like always,
I'm just nervous.
564
00:31:22,047 --> 00:31:25,549
There are two possibilities with the state not putting on their lead investigator.
565
00:31:27,428 --> 00:31:29,344
Either they knew it was a weakness,
566
00:31:29,430 --> 00:31:31,388
or they're trying to bait US into doing it.
567
00:31:33,017 --> 00:31:34,725
My name is Mark ludwick,
568
00:31:35,644 --> 00:31:38,270
spelled l-u-d-w-i-c-k.
569
00:31:39,273 --> 00:31:41,398
All interviews
and reports
570
00:31:41,442 --> 00:31:42,858
are supposed to
come back to you
571
00:31:42,943 --> 00:31:45,027
for management of
the investigation,
aren't they?
572
00:31:45,070 --> 00:31:46,069
That's correct.
573
00:31:46,155 --> 00:31:49,531
I have hundreds and hundreds
of documents
574
00:31:49,575 --> 00:31:51,283
and pages of interviews.
575
00:31:52,202 --> 00:31:54,036
Most of these
interviews occurred
576
00:31:54,788 --> 00:31:56,747
after there were
questions posed
577
00:31:56,790 --> 00:31:59,416
by Jason Carter's
defense attorneys
578
00:31:59,501 --> 00:32:00,751
about what happened.
579
00:32:01,795 --> 00:32:02,920
That's correct, yes.
580
00:32:04,548 --> 00:32:05,756
Okay.
581
00:32:05,799 --> 00:32:07,925
Many, many people
implicate
582
00:32:08,761 --> 00:32:09,927
Joel followill,
583
00:32:10,304 --> 00:32:11,428
John followill,
584
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,221
or Joe sedlock. Correct?
585
00:32:14,099 --> 00:32:16,600
Their names come up
by multiple individuals.
586
00:32:16,936 --> 00:32:19,269
There are multiple reports
587
00:32:19,355 --> 00:32:22,064
alleging that
Joe sedlock,
John followill,
588
00:32:22,149 --> 00:32:25,943
and Joel followill
were involved
in the homicide.
589
00:32:27,780 --> 00:32:30,113
Yes, I believe
we were told that.
590
00:32:30,491 --> 00:32:31,448
Um...
591
00:32:31,533 --> 00:32:32,908
Charity rausch said
592
00:32:33,285 --> 00:32:35,702
they were supposed
to be getting medication
593
00:32:35,788 --> 00:32:37,996
that was coming in the mail,
but something went wrong.
594
00:32:38,207 --> 00:32:39,581
Joel got startled,
595
00:32:39,625 --> 00:32:41,291
and the gun
went off accidentally,
596
00:32:41,377 --> 00:32:43,293
but that Joe sedlock went back
597
00:32:43,379 --> 00:32:46,254
and fired a shot
to kill the woman.
598
00:32:47,758 --> 00:32:49,091
Is that correct?
599
00:32:49,510 --> 00:32:50,634
Yes, I believe
that's correct.
600
00:32:51,095 --> 00:32:52,302
To this date,
601
00:32:53,597 --> 00:32:54,805
are you aware
602
00:32:55,891 --> 00:32:58,433
of any alibi evidence
603
00:32:58,477 --> 00:33:00,477
for either of
those three individuals?
604
00:33:03,857 --> 00:33:06,149
Regarding the, the...
On June 19th?
605
00:33:06,193 --> 00:33:08,860
For the morning of
June 19th, 2015.
606
00:33:09,196 --> 00:33:12,656
No. I... I do not know
where Joe sedlock was.
607
00:33:12,950 --> 00:33:15,117
I do not know
where John followill was.
608
00:33:15,202 --> 00:33:17,327
And I do not know
where Joel followill was.
609
00:33:26,714 --> 00:33:27,838
Agent ludwick.
610
00:33:27,881 --> 00:33:28,839
Yes, ma'am.
611
00:33:29,550 --> 00:33:31,341
Many, many people
612
00:33:31,427 --> 00:33:34,845
say that it was
a burglary gone wrong.
613
00:33:35,639 --> 00:33:37,347
Yeah, burglary gone wrong
614
00:33:37,433 --> 00:33:38,849
was something that we knew
615
00:33:38,934 --> 00:33:40,976
by noon on the day
of the homicide
616
00:33:41,061 --> 00:33:42,853
was going around
the small community.
617
00:33:44,106 --> 00:33:46,189
John followill
and Joel followill
618
00:33:46,233 --> 00:33:47,315
were known to be involved
619
00:33:47,401 --> 00:33:48,859
in a number of burglaries,
weren't they?
620
00:33:50,112 --> 00:33:54,239
They had been,
but they aren't
violent individuals.
621
00:33:54,324 --> 00:33:57,534
That's not in their nature
or character that I felt.
622
00:33:58,162 --> 00:33:59,536
You testified
623
00:34:00,706 --> 00:34:02,205
that neither of
the followills
624
00:34:02,291 --> 00:34:03,957
had a history
of violence.
625
00:34:04,376 --> 00:34:07,169
Were you aware
that Joel followill
626
00:34:07,212 --> 00:34:10,589
has convictions
for four assaults,
627
00:34:10,674 --> 00:34:12,215
two domestic assaults,
628
00:34:12,301 --> 00:34:14,134
and burglary second?
629
00:34:14,595 --> 00:34:15,844
Yes, ma'am,
I'm aware of that.
630
00:34:16,638 --> 00:34:19,556
And that
John followill
631
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,558
has at least
two convictions
for assault?
632
00:34:23,187 --> 00:34:25,353
I remember he had assaults
on his record, yes,
633
00:34:25,439 --> 00:34:27,230
but I...
No further questions.
634
00:34:37,326 --> 00:34:38,867
We've decided to rest.
635
00:34:40,287 --> 00:34:44,414
It is always a difficult decision to rest your case,
636
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,209
but we feel very good about where we ended.
637
00:34:47,294 --> 00:34:49,878
The testimony
from agent ludwick
638
00:34:49,963 --> 00:34:54,382
really provided a clear picture,
and we hope the jury sees that.
639
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,636
So, no more witnesses.
640
00:34:57,721 --> 00:34:59,221
No me. No Shelly.
641
00:35:00,307 --> 00:35:02,099
I kinda feel
like I'm in limbo.
642
00:35:05,062 --> 00:35:08,105
Jason would like every single bit of the story to be known.
643
00:35:08,690 --> 00:35:10,440
And it's tough for him not to have
644
00:35:10,526 --> 00:35:13,193
every single detail in front of this jury.
645
00:35:13,654 --> 00:35:15,112
But he also understands
646
00:35:15,322 --> 00:35:17,114
that we've reached the point
647
00:35:17,157 --> 00:35:19,616
where it may be
in our best interest
648
00:35:19,701 --> 00:35:21,618
to just end on
our strongest notes.
649
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,753
We start closing arguments today.
650
00:35:32,714 --> 00:35:36,133
Hopefully the jurors
can see right through
all the , but...
651
00:35:42,266 --> 00:35:45,308
We only spent two dayswith our side.
652
00:35:46,353 --> 00:35:47,686
That makes me
really nervous,
653
00:35:48,897 --> 00:35:51,481
'cause we kinda cuta lot of our stuff short.
654
00:35:54,027 --> 00:35:55,277
We give our closings,
655
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:56,903
and then it's all up to the jury.
656
00:35:57,656 --> 00:35:59,823
Ed bull, he's a skilled litigator,
657
00:35:59,867 --> 00:36:02,325
but there's no amount of skill that overcomes facts.
658
00:36:09,626 --> 00:36:15,005
This was a case
built against Jason Carter
659
00:36:15,090 --> 00:36:16,882
instead of a case
660
00:36:16,967 --> 00:36:20,218
trying to solve a crime
and look at all the clues.
661
00:36:20,679 --> 00:36:22,179
You gotta believe
someone went downstairs,
662
00:36:22,264 --> 00:36:23,513
found a gun in that basement,
663
00:36:23,599 --> 00:36:24,973
came back upstairs, shot her,
664
00:36:25,017 --> 00:36:26,266
instead of walking out the door.
665
00:36:26,685 --> 00:36:29,686
The state's
own criminalist said,
666
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,856
"I'm not aware
of any forensic evidence."
667
00:36:32,941 --> 00:36:35,150
There are only two people
who know what happened that day,
668
00:36:35,777 --> 00:36:37,402
one of them's dead,
669
00:36:37,487 --> 00:36:38,862
and the other one's
sitting in that chair.
670
00:36:38,906 --> 00:36:40,864
Find him guilty as charged.
671
00:36:42,492 --> 00:36:45,452
Jason Carter
couldn't possibly be guilty.
672
00:36:45,537 --> 00:36:49,206
I ask you to return
a verdict of not guilty.
673
00:36:51,919 --> 00:36:55,420
With that,
take the 12 members
of the panel
674
00:36:55,505 --> 00:36:56,713
into the jury room.
675
00:37:16,401 --> 00:37:17,400
Well...
676
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:19,903
Jury's in deliberation,
677
00:37:19,947 --> 00:37:21,196
eating their dinner,
678
00:37:21,782 --> 00:37:23,240
and,
679
00:37:24,201 --> 00:37:26,076
they'll start
to decide my fate.
680
00:37:33,877 --> 00:37:36,586
Kenny sent me a message this morning, and so did chase.
681
00:37:37,130 --> 00:37:39,214
And I'm just sending them a message back.
682
00:37:40,676 --> 00:37:42,592
"Daddy loves you both,"
683
00:37:44,304 --> 00:37:45,929
"and your brother very much."
684
00:37:48,642 --> 00:37:50,392
I said,
"you take good care of mama."
685
00:37:54,064 --> 00:37:55,939
"Just in case."
686
00:38:03,991 --> 00:38:05,448
Okay, we'll be right there.
687
00:38:05,909 --> 00:38:06,950
They've got a verdict.
688
00:38:08,203 --> 00:38:09,369
I need to call...
689
00:38:09,454 --> 00:38:10,704
You guys need
to get here right now,
690
00:38:10,789 --> 00:38:11,788
they've called a verdict.
691
00:38:12,916 --> 00:38:14,791
Are they done?
Yeah.
692
00:38:17,004 --> 00:38:17,961
What can that mean?
693
00:38:19,798 --> 00:38:21,756
Okay.
Sam, we've got a verdict.
694
00:38:21,842 --> 00:38:22,966
We do whatever you say.
695
00:38:23,510 --> 00:38:24,467
Okay?
696
00:38:27,806 --> 00:38:28,930
How can that be?
697
00:38:31,685 --> 00:38:32,809
They didn't look at anything.
698
00:38:33,478 --> 00:38:35,061
Maybe because
they already know, Jason.
699
00:38:35,147 --> 00:38:36,187
Come on.
700
00:38:36,273 --> 00:38:37,314
How can that be, Sam?
701
00:39:25,906 --> 00:39:28,406
Ladies and gentlemen,
have you reached a verdict?
702
00:39:28,492 --> 00:39:29,699
Yes, we have.
703
00:39:37,292 --> 00:39:40,001
"We, the jury,
find Jason Carter
704
00:39:43,799 --> 00:39:45,173
"not guilty."
705
00:39:45,592 --> 00:39:47,384
Is that
your verdict,
706
00:39:47,469 --> 00:39:48,635
ladies
and gentlemen?
707
00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:49,886
Yes, it is.
708
00:39:51,056 --> 00:39:53,640
Mr. Bull,
do you care to have
the jury polled?
709
00:39:53,725 --> 00:39:54,766
No, sir.
710
00:39:54,851 --> 00:39:55,850
Very well.
711
00:40:19,918 --> 00:40:21,918
I know. I know.
712
00:40:23,713 --> 00:40:24,921
Hi, Cecil.
713
00:40:27,509 --> 00:40:28,633
I am so glad.
714
00:40:29,636 --> 00:40:31,261
I can't believe it.
715
00:40:31,471 --> 00:40:32,554
Finally.
716
00:40:37,018 --> 00:40:38,768
I'm so happy.
717
00:40:40,897 --> 00:40:42,105
Let's go home.
718
00:40:42,816 --> 00:40:44,274
Yeah, we're going home.
719
00:40:59,541 --> 00:41:00,915
It's just a huge weight
720
00:41:01,001 --> 00:41:03,251
lifted off all of our backs.
721
00:41:04,796 --> 00:41:06,963
My mom can rest a little easier.
722
00:41:09,843 --> 00:41:12,343
It doesn't feel like I finally got justice,
723
00:41:13,930 --> 00:41:18,141
because whoever did this to my mom is still walking around.
724
00:41:21,021 --> 00:41:23,813
I'll never give up on trying to figure out
725
00:41:24,858 --> 00:41:25,982
who did this to her.
726
00:41:27,486 --> 00:41:28,818
My mom deserves that.
727
00:41:32,616 --> 00:41:34,032
My kids deserve that.
728
00:41:34,117 --> 00:41:35,492
My wife deserves that.
729
00:41:37,996 --> 00:41:41,498
And as much as I dislike
my dad and my siblings,
730
00:41:41,583 --> 00:41:42,790
they deserve it too.
731
00:41:49,382 --> 00:41:51,841
I guess it's up to me
to try and figure out
732
00:41:58,433 --> 00:41:59,849
What happened to mom.
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