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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:22,860 --> 00:00:25,820 The girls, 2 00:00:25,820 --> 00:00:29,070 I cared for every last one of them. 3 00:00:32,230 --> 00:00:36,640 You know, they call me Mom at my house. 4 00:00:36,650 --> 00:00:39,320 They would say, "It's safe in here. 5 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:43,240 No dick-sucking, no pimping, no streetwalking. 6 00:00:43,230 --> 00:00:47,520 It's so good just to be at peace, and all alone." 7 00:00:51,070 --> 00:00:55,070 And then they would leave off for about two or three days. 8 00:00:55,070 --> 00:00:56,820 When they would leave, 9 00:00:56,820 --> 00:00:59,740 their hair would be nice, they would be dressed nice. 10 00:00:59,730 --> 00:01:01,980 Go off to the motels 11 00:01:01,980 --> 00:01:05,480 to hustle up more drugs. 12 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:07,850 They were all young girls. 13 00:01:07,860 --> 00:01:11,240 Very green. They didn't know what they were doing. 14 00:01:11,230 --> 00:01:15,930 They thought it was just, like, a big hustle. 15 00:01:15,940 --> 00:01:18,900 They would find guys with the drugs, 16 00:01:18,900 --> 00:01:23,320 they'd smoke up their drugs, then go to the next guy. 17 00:01:23,320 --> 00:01:26,030 It'd be on like that until they'd just get worn out. 18 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:30,900 Three days later, coming back all tired 19 00:01:30,900 --> 00:01:34,190 and-and look like a totally different person. 20 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:38,990 After hearing all of the killings, 21 00:01:38,980 --> 00:01:41,350 I said, "What's really going on? 22 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:43,780 Why those girls?" 23 00:01:43,780 --> 00:01:47,610 Why not the girl that was the good girl that was walking 24 00:01:47,610 --> 00:01:51,070 down the street or through the park? 25 00:01:53,070 --> 00:01:55,150 Why them? 26 00:02:30,940 --> 00:02:32,900 We're on East Racca Road 27 00:02:32,900 --> 00:02:36,780 on the outskirts of Jennings. 28 00:02:36,780 --> 00:02:40,820 This is the part of town where you go to do drugs. 29 00:02:40,820 --> 00:02:45,530 Folks would say, when they talked about a loved one 30 00:02:45,530 --> 00:02:50,610 who was out running around doing drugs, they would say, you know, 31 00:02:50,610 --> 00:02:52,240 "Crystal's out running the roads," 32 00:02:52,230 --> 00:02:55,850 or "Frankie's out running the roads." 33 00:02:55,860 --> 00:02:57,820 And when they said that, this is exactly 34 00:02:57,820 --> 00:03:00,360 what they were talking about. 35 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:04,400 This is territory that really only you'd know 36 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,440 if you were in that scene. 37 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:12,860 On the left here is the spot 38 00:03:12,860 --> 00:03:16,320 where Frankie's trailer used to be. 39 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:20,360 Frankie had this trailer at the height of the homicides 40 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:22,900 in the 2007 period. 41 00:03:22,900 --> 00:03:27,570 He'd come out here with women, including some of the victims, 42 00:03:27,570 --> 00:03:30,530 party and do drugs. 43 00:03:39,780 --> 00:03:41,820 During the 2000s, 44 00:03:41,820 --> 00:03:44,900 when you were hanging out with Loretta, Kristen, 45 00:03:44,900 --> 00:03:47,360 all these girls, what drugs were you on? 46 00:03:52,940 --> 00:03:56,820 Every fucking thing I could put in my hand, you know? 47 00:03:56,820 --> 00:03:59,650 I was doing pills, I was doing crack, 48 00:03:59,650 --> 00:04:04,530 I was doing powder, I was doing speed. 49 00:04:04,530 --> 00:04:08,780 And through all those years, you were dealing as well, right? 50 00:04:08,780 --> 00:04:09,610 Yes. 51 00:04:13,610 --> 00:04:17,490 These were women that had drug addictions 52 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:21,480 and didn't care if they had to have sex for their drugs. 53 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,730 They had sex so they didn't have to pay for the drug. 54 00:04:24,730 --> 00:04:27,100 It was crack. 55 00:04:27,110 --> 00:04:28,190 Everybody was on crack. 56 00:04:28,190 --> 00:04:29,570 Everybody smoking crack, everybody smoking dope. 57 00:04:29,570 --> 00:04:31,900 I mean, that's... it-it was coming and going. 58 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:36,990 That's all it was about, 59 00:04:36,980 --> 00:04:38,560 sex and drugs. 60 00:04:39,730 --> 00:04:42,520 These girls was always high. 61 00:04:43,820 --> 00:04:47,190 Every week, not just on the weekends, you know. 62 00:04:47,190 --> 00:04:48,610 When you get paid, you party. 63 00:04:48,610 --> 00:04:51,320 Only time I would get a lot of drugs is when I get paid. 64 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:54,990 I'd go buy me $300 worth of drugs, you know. 65 00:04:54,980 --> 00:04:58,310 This was everyday, all-day drugging. 66 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,280 Where were they getting all this drugs from? 67 00:05:01,280 --> 00:05:04,940 Who was giving these drugs out? 68 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:19,060 Jennings sits almost directly on I-10, 69 00:05:19,070 --> 00:05:22,360 and I-10 is a potent conduit, 70 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:25,440 a kind of artery of vice, 71 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:29,650 bringing enormous amounts of drugs 72 00:05:29,650 --> 00:05:34,400 from Houston to New Orleans on a daily basis. 73 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,490 Literally, if you, if you were to draw a line 74 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:38,390 between Houston and New Orleans, Jennings is the... 75 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,030 right in the middle of that. 76 00:05:40,030 --> 00:05:42,570 It just leaves Jennings in a really vulnerable position. 77 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,280 I didn't know that Jennings 78 00:05:46,280 --> 00:05:48,780 had any sort of reputation one way or the other 79 00:05:48,780 --> 00:05:49,860 before I got there. 80 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,320 But everybody seemed to understand 81 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:57,650 and talk about, almost eagerly, about how much drug traffic 82 00:05:57,650 --> 00:06:00,490 went back and forth and stopped at Jennings. 83 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,230 Small towns by the interstate, you know, 84 00:06:02,230 --> 00:06:03,270 it's like an old port town. 85 00:06:03,280 --> 00:06:05,240 It's just, it's convenient. 86 00:06:08,820 --> 00:06:11,490 When drug busts are made 87 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:15,230 on I-10 in the Jeff Davis Parish area, 88 00:06:15,230 --> 00:06:19,180 we're talking kilos upon kilos of cocaine 89 00:06:19,190 --> 00:06:22,570 or multiple pounds of marijuana 90 00:06:22,570 --> 00:06:25,900 or thousands of pills. Drug seizures 91 00:06:25,900 --> 00:06:27,530 that would be... 92 00:06:27,530 --> 00:06:31,650 sort of at home in a huge city like Los Angeles or New York 93 00:06:31,650 --> 00:06:34,150 is in a town of 10,000 people. 94 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:41,940 This town, especially this side, 95 00:06:41,940 --> 00:06:44,490 is infested with fucking drugs. 96 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:45,730 Like, like, serious. 97 00:06:45,730 --> 00:06:47,140 Meth, heroin, 98 00:06:47,150 --> 00:06:48,440 marijuana, pills. 99 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,570 You name it, you got it. 100 00:06:51,570 --> 00:06:53,490 You can get it from 13-year-old kids. 101 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:56,530 Truly. 102 00:06:59,570 --> 00:07:02,440 The enormous amounts of drugs flowing 103 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:04,610 through Jeff Davis Parish 104 00:07:04,610 --> 00:07:07,240 have an incredibly corrupting influence 105 00:07:07,230 --> 00:07:10,730 on law enforcement. 106 00:07:10,730 --> 00:07:14,730 The temptation to take a piece 107 00:07:14,730 --> 00:07:19,390 of a drug seizure is enormous. 108 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:21,650 All of this is cocaine. 109 00:07:21,650 --> 00:07:25,190 It's what officers found on one man during a traffic stop. 110 00:07:25,190 --> 00:07:27,440 That amount of cocaine could value anywhere 111 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:30,650 from three million to $18 million dollars. 112 00:07:31,860 --> 00:07:33,490 You talk to people 113 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:37,480 and they say, "Sure, you see on the news 114 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:41,680 the seizure of enormous amounts of drugs," 115 00:07:41,690 --> 00:07:45,570 but what they say is, "The drugs that you see on the table 116 00:07:45,570 --> 00:07:48,280 don't stay on the table." 117 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:51,530 Quite a bit of that goes right back out onto the street. 118 00:07:53,650 --> 00:07:55,400 People talk about, you know, 119 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:58,360 law enforcement involvement in the drug trade. 120 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:00,690 Just because there's a-a drug problem 121 00:08:00,690 --> 00:08:03,860 doesn't mean that law enforcement is involved. 122 00:08:03,860 --> 00:08:06,360 I don't recall anybody that's ever been arrested 123 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,650 or-or looked into for being a drug dealer 124 00:08:09,650 --> 00:08:12,570 that's in law enforcement. 125 00:08:12,570 --> 00:08:14,900 Can't say that it never happens; it does. 126 00:08:17,030 --> 00:08:20,400 The chief of police during the Jeff Davis 8 era, 127 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:22,610 Johnny Lassiter, was later indicted 128 00:08:22,610 --> 00:08:26,110 for pilfering the evidence room 129 00:08:26,110 --> 00:08:29,190 for drugs, cash and other items. 130 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,360 The cops arrest somebody, and if it's not 131 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:38,150 nothing that they're gonna get caught for, 132 00:08:38,150 --> 00:08:40,190 I believe they'll get put back on the street. 133 00:08:40,190 --> 00:08:42,110 More dope comes from them 134 00:08:42,110 --> 00:08:45,530 than it pr-pretty much does from the dudes on the streets. 135 00:08:45,530 --> 00:08:47,070 Real talk. 136 00:08:47,070 --> 00:08:49,530 People talk. 137 00:08:49,530 --> 00:08:52,400 They want you to sell drugs for them. 138 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:54,690 You don't sell drugs for them, 139 00:08:54,690 --> 00:08:57,530 they're gonna try to fuck you over any way they can. 140 00:08:57,530 --> 00:09:02,030 If you not working for them, you working with them. 141 00:09:02,030 --> 00:09:05,240 I mean, they've had... they don't have a good track record. 142 00:09:05,230 --> 00:09:08,140 The corruption goes back years ago. 143 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:11,820 He's pulling you over? 144 00:09:11,820 --> 00:09:13,940 Yeah, he's pulling me over. 145 00:09:13,940 --> 00:09:16,650 You are watching an actual traffic stop 146 00:09:16,650 --> 00:09:19,070 along Interstate 10 in Louisiana. 147 00:09:19,070 --> 00:09:20,860 How you doing, sir? -How you doing? 148 00:09:20,860 --> 00:09:23,190 Step out of your vehicle. Step back here for me, please? 149 00:09:23,190 --> 00:09:25,780 But what this officer doesn't realize 150 00:09:25,780 --> 00:09:29,070 is that the car is rigged with Dateline's hidden cameras, 151 00:09:29,070 --> 00:09:31,650 and so is the driver. 152 00:09:31,650 --> 00:09:34,490 In 1997, NBC's Dateline came to town 153 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,600 and did an expos� 154 00:09:36,610 --> 00:09:38,530 of the Jeff Davis Parish Sheriff's Department. 155 00:09:38,530 --> 00:09:40,280 Up and down I-10, our cameras recorded 156 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:43,110 out-of-state motorists pulled off to the side of the road 157 00:09:43,110 --> 00:09:44,690 and detained. 158 00:09:44,690 --> 00:09:46,610 Dateline had been receiving 159 00:09:46,610 --> 00:09:49,530 an enormous amount of tips and complaints, 160 00:09:49,530 --> 00:09:53,990 where people are saying, "I'm driving on this section of I-10. 161 00:09:53,980 --> 00:09:57,600 I'm getting pulled over and literally robbed 162 00:09:57,610 --> 00:09:59,530 by the sheriff's office." 163 00:09:59,530 --> 00:10:01,190 What's going on here began 164 00:10:01,190 --> 00:10:02,990 as what many thought was a good idea 165 00:10:02,980 --> 00:10:04,930 to help win the drug war. 166 00:10:04,940 --> 00:10:07,320 Police across the country were given a new weapon. 167 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:10,650 It's called asset forfeiture. 168 00:10:10,650 --> 00:10:13,320 When Ricky Edwards takes office, 169 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:14,570 there is a big increase 170 00:10:14,570 --> 00:10:18,780 in civil asset forfeiture on I-10. 171 00:10:18,780 --> 00:10:20,740 Civil asset forfeiture 172 00:10:20,730 --> 00:10:25,480 allows law enforcement to take assets 173 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,270 of people who are suspected of, 174 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:30,900 but not convicted of, a crime. 175 00:10:30,900 --> 00:10:33,490 That in itself opens up 176 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,730 enormous avenues of abuse. 177 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:40,480 The Dateline team used 178 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,100 a bait car that's set up 179 00:10:43,110 --> 00:10:47,860 to not go above 65 miles per hour. 180 00:10:47,860 --> 00:10:49,530 They send this car down I-10 181 00:10:49,530 --> 00:10:51,530 through Jeff Davis Parish, 182 00:10:51,530 --> 00:10:54,110 and almost instantaneously 183 00:10:54,110 --> 00:10:55,650 the vehicle is pulled over. 184 00:10:55,650 --> 00:10:59,360 They would just invent reasons to stop people. 185 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:00,650 That's illegal. 186 00:11:00,650 --> 00:11:02,690 Ricky Edwards is the sheriff 187 00:11:02,690 --> 00:11:04,690 -of Jefferson Davis Parish. -Would it surprise you 188 00:11:04,690 --> 00:11:07,280 to know that your deputies pulled us over? 189 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:08,400 No, it wouldn't surprise me. 190 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:09,860 I-I don't know, I wasn't there. 191 00:11:09,860 --> 00:11:11,320 If he said you were speeding, 192 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,360 I would have to assume that you were speeding. 193 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,740 Edwards's response is, essentially: 194 00:11:15,730 --> 00:11:18,930 That's not what's happening there. 195 00:11:18,940 --> 00:11:20,650 There's financial incentive 196 00:11:20,650 --> 00:11:22,440 for the officers to pull these people over 197 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:24,190 and take away money and cars. 198 00:11:24,190 --> 00:11:27,320 There's financial incentive in the war on drugs, yes. 199 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:28,690 Doesn't that seem odd? 200 00:11:28,690 --> 00:11:30,650 No. 201 00:11:32,570 --> 00:11:34,150 The Dateline NBC episode 202 00:11:34,150 --> 00:11:37,820 gets over 12 million viewers. 203 00:11:39,230 --> 00:11:41,430 Louisiana state officials 204 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,440 find themselves having to respond to the episode 205 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:46,400 and do damage control. 206 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:48,940 A Dateline report that touched close to home tonight 207 00:11:48,940 --> 00:11:50,400 and raised some questions. 208 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:51,860 Are the stories true? 209 00:11:51,860 --> 00:11:53,440 But Ricky... 210 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:55,740 does not give an inch. 211 00:11:55,730 --> 00:11:57,640 Okay, Sheriff, you had a chance to review 212 00:11:57,650 --> 00:11:59,190 the Dateline piece tonight. 213 00:11:59,190 --> 00:12:00,530 What's your take on it? 214 00:12:00,530 --> 00:12:02,240 Do you think that they were accurate? 215 00:12:02,230 --> 00:12:05,020 I think that they've showed the negative side to everything. 216 00:12:05,030 --> 00:12:07,570 I don't think that they've shown a positive side to anything. 217 00:12:09,190 --> 00:12:11,610 The parish's response to the Dateline piece was 218 00:12:11,610 --> 00:12:14,780 to kind of rally back around the department, just kind of... 219 00:12:14,780 --> 00:12:17,320 Their feeling was that we were just kind of unfairly... 220 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:18,360 hit by it. 221 00:12:21,780 --> 00:12:23,280 It's remarkable. 222 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:25,440 It did nothing 223 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:29,360 to change the power structure in Jeff Davis Parish. 224 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:32,280 Ricky Edwards remained in power 225 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:34,190 for years later. 226 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:36,820 And I think... 227 00:12:36,820 --> 00:12:41,070 that response has very profound echoes 228 00:12:41,070 --> 00:12:42,780 in how they responded 229 00:12:42,780 --> 00:12:45,190 to the Jeff Davis 8 case. 230 00:12:45,190 --> 00:12:48,150 Ricky, it's been four years and five months 231 00:12:48,150 --> 00:12:50,440 since Loretta Chaisson died. 232 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:53,440 Describe the progress that has been made. 233 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:57,190 Well, unfortunately, I'm not going to get into 234 00:12:57,190 --> 00:12:59,570 the investigative part of it. 235 00:12:59,570 --> 00:13:03,650 But progress has been made by utilizing tons of resources 236 00:13:03,650 --> 00:13:06,990 made available to a small department like ours. 237 00:13:06,980 --> 00:13:11,020 We don't have an answer yet, and, w-we will continue 238 00:13:11,030 --> 00:13:14,320 to work for the resolution of these homicides. 239 00:13:17,610 --> 00:13:20,150 Let's talk about Ricky a second. 240 00:13:20,150 --> 00:13:21,990 Ricky... 241 00:13:24,030 --> 00:13:26,440 ...to me, he wasn't no kind of sheriff at all, I'm sorry. 242 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:28,030 He didn't do anything. 243 00:13:29,610 --> 00:13:32,820 This town is so corrupt 244 00:13:32,820 --> 00:13:35,690 that it doesn't make any sense. 245 00:13:35,690 --> 00:13:36,690 You want to get away with something? 246 00:13:36,690 --> 00:13:38,360 Go to Jennings. 247 00:13:40,230 --> 00:13:42,560 I'm just gonna call it for what it is. 248 00:13:42,570 --> 00:13:44,530 Crooked. 249 00:13:49,730 --> 00:13:53,270 Jennings is... 250 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:56,490 the Wild, Wild West. 251 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:58,600 These motherfuckers... 252 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:03,030 ...want their cut. 253 00:14:03,030 --> 00:14:06,070 I don't give a goddamn if it's... 254 00:14:06,070 --> 00:14:08,070 a parking meter 255 00:14:08,070 --> 00:14:10,490 or a hamburger joint. 256 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:14,060 They want their cut. 257 00:14:19,820 --> 00:14:22,440 What was Jennings like when you came back here 258 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:25,320 in 2002, 2003 or so? 259 00:14:26,900 --> 00:14:28,070 What do you mean by that? 260 00:14:28,070 --> 00:14:29,110 I mean... 261 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:41,150 Let's talk about your history 262 00:14:41,150 --> 00:14:43,740 as a drug dealer in the area. 263 00:14:43,730 --> 00:14:45,230 What you want to know? 264 00:14:45,230 --> 00:14:46,980 What was your relationship 265 00:14:46,980 --> 00:14:48,930 with the police during those years? 266 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,360 My relationship with the police 267 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:55,240 in them years... 268 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:01,860 ...is about the same as it is 269 00:15:01,860 --> 00:15:04,610 with the police today. 270 00:15:04,610 --> 00:15:07,360 Not worth a fuck. 271 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:09,610 I didn't trust them, 272 00:15:09,610 --> 00:15:11,780 I didn't like 'em, 273 00:15:11,780 --> 00:15:14,780 and I goddamn sure wasn't gonna give them 274 00:15:14,780 --> 00:15:17,900 some of my money that I fucking worked for. 275 00:15:17,900 --> 00:15:20,490 I had a habit to support, you know? 276 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:22,980 I wasn't making enough fucking money 277 00:15:22,980 --> 00:15:25,100 to support their habit, too. 278 00:15:29,190 --> 00:15:33,110 Frankie has this enormous rap sheet. 279 00:15:35,820 --> 00:15:40,820 Things that he's been charged with 280 00:15:40,820 --> 00:15:42,740 and has walked away from. 281 00:15:44,940 --> 00:15:49,570 The biggest question that hangs over Frankie is: 282 00:15:49,570 --> 00:15:52,030 how has he been able to skirt 283 00:15:52,030 --> 00:15:55,240 so many allegations against him? 284 00:15:57,570 --> 00:15:59,690 In our research on Frankie, 285 00:15:59,690 --> 00:16:03,780 we've determined that in Jeff Davis Parish alone, 286 00:16:03,780 --> 00:16:06,650 he has been arrested 23 times 287 00:16:06,650 --> 00:16:09,150 with zero convictions. 288 00:16:09,150 --> 00:16:12,780 As law enforcement, our job is to investigate crimes 289 00:16:12,780 --> 00:16:15,190 and arr... make arrests when warranted, 290 00:16:15,190 --> 00:16:17,900 and then we submit information to the D.A.'s office. 291 00:16:17,900 --> 00:16:21,820 If somebody has multiple arrests and no convictions, then... 292 00:16:21,820 --> 00:16:24,570 that'd be a question for the D.A.'s office. 293 00:16:24,570 --> 00:16:27,610 But it's a... that's a large number of arrests, 294 00:16:27,610 --> 00:16:29,570 obviously. 295 00:16:32,860 --> 00:16:34,690 I've always heard that 296 00:16:34,690 --> 00:16:36,860 Frankie works for the damn cops. 297 00:16:37,690 --> 00:16:39,690 Do I believe it? Yeah. 298 00:16:39,690 --> 00:16:41,360 Because he got out of a lot of trouble. 299 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:44,240 I mean, and especially with these murders. 300 00:17:08,820 --> 00:17:11,860 We know for a fact that Frankie has 301 00:17:11,860 --> 00:17:16,280 cooperated numerous times with the task force. 302 00:17:26,980 --> 00:17:30,560 There's a relationship there in the recordings that you hear 303 00:17:30,570 --> 00:17:33,110 with his interviews with the task force 304 00:17:33,110 --> 00:17:35,240 where it's very buddy-buddy. 305 00:18:12,570 --> 00:18:14,610 It really poses the question 306 00:18:14,610 --> 00:18:17,110 of what is the exact relationship 307 00:18:17,110 --> 00:18:19,030 between Frankie and the task force? 308 00:18:22,940 --> 00:18:25,240 In 2009, 309 00:18:25,230 --> 00:18:27,180 the sheriff's office 310 00:18:27,190 --> 00:18:31,400 had learned of an alleged theft ring 311 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:33,240 in town. 312 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,360 Homes were being broken into. 313 00:18:39,360 --> 00:18:41,820 Weapons were being stolen. 314 00:18:41,820 --> 00:18:45,070 And those weapons were then being moved 315 00:18:45,070 --> 00:18:48,320 to Chad's Pawn Shop 316 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:50,400 and pawned off there. 317 00:18:52,360 --> 00:18:54,030 There was a raid 318 00:18:54,030 --> 00:18:57,360 on Frankie's mother's home. 319 00:18:57,360 --> 00:19:00,030 Coins, weapons, 320 00:19:00,030 --> 00:19:03,320 cash and other items were taken. 321 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:06,610 Frankie and his mother were arrested. 322 00:19:06,610 --> 00:19:08,650 There seemed to be 323 00:19:08,650 --> 00:19:11,440 strong evidence against Frankie. 324 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:15,030 And very quickly 325 00:19:15,030 --> 00:19:17,400 evidence began to disappear. 326 00:19:18,570 --> 00:19:20,240 An internal investigation 327 00:19:20,230 --> 00:19:23,020 was initiated, 328 00:19:23,030 --> 00:19:26,360 and the result of the investigation was that 329 00:19:26,360 --> 00:19:30,400 Paula Guillory, the ex-wife of Terrie Guillory 330 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,240 and a core member of the task force at that point, 331 00:19:33,230 --> 00:19:36,180 had mishandled the evidence. 332 00:19:37,530 --> 00:19:40,030 And Paula Guillory was terminated 333 00:19:40,030 --> 00:19:43,440 from the Jeff Davis Parish Sheriff's Office. 334 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,940 Were you ever given a chance to give your side 335 00:19:46,940 --> 00:19:48,690 or your account of what happened? 336 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,490 What is your account of what happened 337 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:58,230 to the approximately $4,000 that went missing? 338 00:20:00,070 --> 00:20:01,650 Okay. 339 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,400 So, you were in the evidence room. 340 00:20:09,980 --> 00:20:12,640 Who was the evidence custodian at the time? 341 00:20:12,650 --> 00:20:14,740 Gary? 342 00:20:19,190 --> 00:20:22,110 After the evidence went missing, 343 00:20:22,110 --> 00:20:25,740 the charges against Frankie and his mom disappeared. 344 00:20:27,780 --> 00:20:32,610 This was part of a pattern of cases where 345 00:20:32,610 --> 00:20:36,530 there seemed to be strong evidence against Frankie 346 00:20:36,530 --> 00:20:39,530 and suddenly that evidence was no longer there. 347 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:42,740 By that point, 348 00:20:42,730 --> 00:20:46,310 there were seven bodies. 349 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:50,440 And there was about to be eight. 350 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:54,110 When Necole Guillory's body was found 351 00:20:54,110 --> 00:20:56,110 just off I-10, 352 00:20:56,110 --> 00:20:59,610 the fact that it had come so closely after 353 00:20:59,610 --> 00:21:03,900 a case against Frankie fell apart again 354 00:21:03,900 --> 00:21:06,740 created a wave of anger. 355 00:21:06,730 --> 00:21:10,100 All of the fears, skepticism and cynicism 356 00:21:10,110 --> 00:21:12,610 surrounding law enforcement 357 00:21:12,610 --> 00:21:15,610 all came to fore at once. 358 00:21:23,070 --> 00:21:24,820 What do you make of the fact 359 00:21:24,820 --> 00:21:29,490 that things happen to cases that involve Frankie Richard 360 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,980 that lead to those cases falling apart 361 00:21:32,980 --> 00:21:34,390 and ultimately lead to him 362 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,280 just sitting on his front porch right now 363 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,150 in South Jennings as a free man? 364 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,150 That's my question, yeah. 365 00:22:00,070 --> 00:22:01,320 You know, as I mentioned earlier, 366 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,400 there were task force witnesses 367 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,690 talking about your ex-husband 368 00:22:05,690 --> 00:22:08,150 being involved in prostitution at the parish jail 369 00:22:08,150 --> 00:22:09,570 and things like that. 370 00:22:30,530 --> 00:22:32,570 Terrie Guillory 371 00:22:32,570 --> 00:22:34,070 comes up repeatedly 372 00:22:34,070 --> 00:22:36,190 in interviews with witnesses 373 00:22:36,190 --> 00:22:38,610 and family members alike. 374 00:22:38,610 --> 00:22:42,400 We know he had deep relationships with these women 375 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,610 that were often sexual in nature. 376 00:22:45,610 --> 00:22:48,940 In the case of Crystal Shay Benoit Zeno, 377 00:22:48,940 --> 00:22:51,190 Terrie was aware 378 00:22:51,190 --> 00:22:55,440 of tattoos in personal areas 379 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,940 that only someone intimate with Crystal 380 00:22:58,940 --> 00:23:00,570 would have known. 381 00:23:00,570 --> 00:23:02,570 Loretta Chaisson told me 382 00:23:02,570 --> 00:23:05,740 she had an affair with Terrie Guillory. 383 00:23:05,730 --> 00:23:09,480 I don't know how old she was, but she said she was young. 384 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,640 He would come and pick her up 385 00:23:12,650 --> 00:23:16,530 and have sex with her and drop her off. 386 00:23:16,530 --> 00:23:20,570 We know a witness told the task force 387 00:23:20,570 --> 00:23:25,110 that Terrie Guillory was having sex with Loretta 388 00:23:25,110 --> 00:23:27,110 in a jail cell 389 00:23:27,110 --> 00:23:30,360 just weeks before she was murdered. 390 00:23:30,360 --> 00:23:33,150 She knew things about Terrie 391 00:23:33,150 --> 00:23:36,440 that nobody else knew but her and Terrie. 392 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:42,570 I learned that Terrie also used most 393 00:23:42,570 --> 00:23:46,780 if not all of the women of the Jeff Davis 8 394 00:23:46,780 --> 00:23:48,820 as informants. 395 00:23:50,940 --> 00:23:53,610 I always felt 396 00:23:53,610 --> 00:23:56,070 that the girls 397 00:23:56,070 --> 00:23:58,780 would inform the law 398 00:23:58,780 --> 00:24:02,570 about one thing or another 399 00:24:02,570 --> 00:24:05,570 to either get their ass out of a bind 400 00:24:05,570 --> 00:24:07,990 right then and there 401 00:24:07,980 --> 00:24:11,060 or for future references. 402 00:24:19,650 --> 00:24:21,820 A place like Jennings, 403 00:24:21,820 --> 00:24:25,490 where there's so much drugs and drug use, 404 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,890 has a thriving informant culture. 405 00:24:30,940 --> 00:24:35,490 This is a very informal relationship 406 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:39,230 with law enforcement where 407 00:24:39,230 --> 00:24:41,480 you may be a drug user yourself, 408 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,180 but you provide information 409 00:24:44,190 --> 00:24:47,690 to the police in exchange for something. 410 00:24:47,690 --> 00:24:51,690 In exchange for the dropping of charges. 411 00:24:51,690 --> 00:24:56,240 Often in exchange for being permitted 412 00:24:56,230 --> 00:24:58,680 to engage in criminal activity. 413 00:25:00,360 --> 00:25:03,360 The informant culture in a small town like Jennings 414 00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:05,400 creates this sense 415 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:10,150 of a kind of limitless tentacle 416 00:25:10,150 --> 00:25:12,030 of the police state. 417 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,240 I was a confidential informant. 418 00:25:18,360 --> 00:25:20,070 I was a confidential informant 419 00:25:20,070 --> 00:25:21,610 for Danny Semmes, 420 00:25:21,610 --> 00:25:24,440 who was the detective at the time. 421 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,740 I got in trouble selling an ounce of weed. 422 00:25:27,730 --> 00:25:28,930 Danny gave me a choice. 423 00:25:28,940 --> 00:25:31,650 Either I do what he wants me to do, 424 00:25:31,650 --> 00:25:34,070 or he's gonna call welfare and have my kids picked up. 425 00:25:35,690 --> 00:25:39,070 He wanted me to bust a few people in town. 426 00:25:39,070 --> 00:25:40,570 And I did it. 427 00:25:40,570 --> 00:25:42,690 I busted six people for him. 428 00:25:42,690 --> 00:25:45,860 Then, when I seen just how much trouble I could get in, 429 00:25:45,860 --> 00:25:48,690 I got out of it. 430 00:25:48,690 --> 00:25:50,280 'Cause I got scared. 431 00:25:53,610 --> 00:25:55,740 It's very dangerous. 432 00:25:55,730 --> 00:25:58,230 Drug dealers don't want you on the streets 433 00:25:58,230 --> 00:26:01,350 if you informing the law what they doing. 434 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,280 All it takes is one person 435 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,150 to say one mistake about you. 436 00:26:08,150 --> 00:26:11,530 You having anything to do with the law enforcement. 437 00:26:11,530 --> 00:26:12,990 You gonna get jumped. 438 00:26:12,980 --> 00:26:15,180 You gonna probably get beat half to death 439 00:26:15,190 --> 00:26:17,150 or you're gonna die. 440 00:26:20,030 --> 00:26:22,530 Family members and friends 441 00:26:22,530 --> 00:26:25,440 told me that the women of the Jeff Davis 8 442 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:30,240 would provide a steady flow of information to the police. 443 00:26:35,900 --> 00:26:38,110 As informants, 444 00:26:38,110 --> 00:26:40,400 the women were squeezed 445 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,940 between law enforcement 446 00:26:42,940 --> 00:26:47,900 and the most dangerous people in South Jennings. 447 00:26:54,030 --> 00:26:55,820 The last time 448 00:26:55,820 --> 00:26:57,820 that I saw Loretta alive was on Mother's Day, 449 00:26:57,820 --> 00:27:00,530 and we had a gathering at my-my aunt's house. 450 00:27:00,530 --> 00:27:03,940 And Loretta had just gotten out of jail after a month, 451 00:27:03,940 --> 00:27:07,860 month and a half, maybe two, something like that. 452 00:27:07,860 --> 00:27:09,900 My aunt asked her why she had gotten out of jail so early, 453 00:27:09,900 --> 00:27:11,990 when she was supposed to be in there for about a year. 454 00:27:11,980 --> 00:27:14,310 She said, "Well, I'm not supposed to tell anyone." 455 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,990 She says, "But I'm-I'm gonna be a witness 456 00:27:16,980 --> 00:27:18,810 against a drug dealer." 457 00:27:18,820 --> 00:27:20,990 So they let her out of jail, and... 458 00:27:20,980 --> 00:27:25,100 she made it for, like, two, three weeks and then she died. 459 00:27:26,730 --> 00:27:28,480 When Crystal went missing, 460 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,680 I called Terrie Guillory, 461 00:27:30,690 --> 00:27:33,530 and I told him Crystal was dealing drugs 462 00:27:33,530 --> 00:27:35,860 for a-a drug dealer in Jennings. 463 00:27:35,860 --> 00:27:37,610 He said he had already knew that, 464 00:27:37,610 --> 00:27:40,190 that Crystal had done told him what she was doing. 465 00:27:40,190 --> 00:27:43,690 Why would Crystal tell Terrie what she was doing 466 00:27:43,690 --> 00:27:48,240 for this certain person if she wasn't his informant? 467 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:50,820 Terrie told me 468 00:27:50,820 --> 00:27:53,860 that he had picked Crystal up in Lake Arthur, 469 00:27:53,860 --> 00:27:55,530 and he said he dropped her off in town. 470 00:27:55,530 --> 00:27:56,690 And I s... I was like, "Terrie, 471 00:27:56,690 --> 00:27:59,570 you dropped her off on that side of town, 472 00:27:59,570 --> 00:28:02,530 and, you know, you're a cop. 473 00:28:02,530 --> 00:28:03,690 You know, that's not cool." 474 00:28:03,690 --> 00:28:05,400 And he was like, "Well, it was all right. 475 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:06,740 Nobody was around." 476 00:28:06,730 --> 00:28:08,600 But, still, somebody's lurking. 477 00:28:08,610 --> 00:28:10,440 Somebody sees something. 478 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,650 It takes just one person to see you get out of a cop car. 479 00:28:13,650 --> 00:28:15,110 Then it's all over town that you're narcing. 480 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,030 But the cops put 'em out there. 481 00:28:21,030 --> 00:28:23,820 When they're done with 'em and they get what they want, 482 00:28:23,820 --> 00:28:27,360 they throw 'em out there in the streets like... animals. 483 00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:29,190 You know? "We don't need you no more. 484 00:28:29,190 --> 00:28:32,570 We're done." They-they can do whatever they want to you. 485 00:28:42,730 --> 00:28:44,730 Years before 486 00:28:44,730 --> 00:28:47,810 the Jeff Davis 8 murders began happening, 487 00:28:47,820 --> 00:28:49,820 there are other examples 488 00:28:49,820 --> 00:28:53,360 of informant murders in Jeff Davis Parish. 489 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,360 My mother's name was Sheila Comeaux. 490 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:03,940 On February 14th of 1998, 491 00:29:03,940 --> 00:29:05,940 she was found in an abandoned building 492 00:29:05,940 --> 00:29:10,110 down South Main Street in Jennings. 493 00:29:10,110 --> 00:29:13,690 She was found by a man that lived behind the building, 494 00:29:13,690 --> 00:29:18,030 and she was beaten brutally. 495 00:29:21,230 --> 00:29:23,850 Sheila Comeaux is kin 496 00:29:23,860 --> 00:29:26,610 to both Jessica Kratzer 497 00:29:26,610 --> 00:29:28,940 and Barb Ann Deshotel. 498 00:29:28,940 --> 00:29:32,240 I refer to her as my sister-in-law. 499 00:29:32,230 --> 00:29:35,100 And her kids are my nieces and nephews. 500 00:29:35,110 --> 00:29:36,990 Sheila's kids. 501 00:29:36,980 --> 00:29:38,770 I believe very strongly 502 00:29:38,780 --> 00:29:40,610 that my mom's death is connected 503 00:29:40,610 --> 00:29:43,820 to the disappearances and deaths of these women. 504 00:29:43,820 --> 00:29:45,650 The cases are so related. 505 00:29:45,650 --> 00:29:48,030 They lived the same... she lived the same lifestyle 506 00:29:48,030 --> 00:29:50,820 as these other women and these young women, 507 00:29:50,820 --> 00:29:52,280 you know, these young girls. 508 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,650 It's very much related. 509 00:29:54,650 --> 00:29:58,110 It should be investigated right alongside... 510 00:29:58,110 --> 00:29:59,990 the rest of 'em. 511 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,680 Comeaux was out 512 00:30:03,690 --> 00:30:06,740 by Fondel's Funeral Home in Jennings 513 00:30:06,730 --> 00:30:08,810 making a drug buy 514 00:30:08,820 --> 00:30:12,990 when it went bad somehow. 515 00:30:12,980 --> 00:30:16,020 She had been beaten, 516 00:30:16,030 --> 00:30:18,490 hit with something, beat with something. 517 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,020 And from what I'm understanding, 518 00:30:20,030 --> 00:30:22,990 the only thing that kept her alive at the time 519 00:30:22,980 --> 00:30:27,310 is because it was so cold that it clotted her blood 520 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,530 and it stopped her from bleeding to death. 521 00:30:30,530 --> 00:30:32,400 She had to wear this... 522 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,900 helmet thing on her head 523 00:30:35,900 --> 00:30:38,190 'cause her hea... her head was dented in. 524 00:30:41,070 --> 00:30:42,940 Before she succumbed to her injuries, 525 00:30:42,940 --> 00:30:47,820 Comeaux was hospitalized for about one year. 526 00:30:47,820 --> 00:30:49,860 Every time she would 527 00:30:49,860 --> 00:30:51,530 start talking about what happened, 528 00:30:51,530 --> 00:30:54,110 they would call the police to come in 529 00:30:54,110 --> 00:30:56,030 so that they could question her about it. 530 00:30:56,030 --> 00:30:57,940 And every time that the detective 531 00:30:57,940 --> 00:30:59,820 that was working her case showed up, 532 00:30:59,820 --> 00:31:01,780 she would stop talking. 533 00:31:01,780 --> 00:31:03,860 She-she wouldn't say anything else. 534 00:31:03,860 --> 00:31:05,900 Was she afraid? 535 00:31:05,900 --> 00:31:08,110 No, I-I do believe she was afraid. 536 00:31:08,110 --> 00:31:10,860 Are people that scared of the authorities here? 537 00:31:10,860 --> 00:31:13,900 I believe that some of 'em are. 538 00:31:13,900 --> 00:31:17,360 Why? What-what do they hold over them? 539 00:31:18,860 --> 00:31:21,240 I'm not gonna answer that. 540 00:31:21,230 --> 00:31:22,890 That's okay. That's okay. -I'm-I'm sorry. That's... 541 00:31:22,900 --> 00:31:26,280 That's okay. That's okay. 542 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,890 Her family insists 543 00:31:29,900 --> 00:31:33,070 that Sheila Comeaux was an informant 544 00:31:33,070 --> 00:31:36,320 and that she was wired up for this drug buy 545 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,190 by the Jennings Police. 546 00:31:40,980 --> 00:31:42,230 The thing with Sheila 547 00:31:42,230 --> 00:31:44,890 goes back to the police. 548 00:31:44,900 --> 00:31:47,110 Now, the rumor is that she was an informant. 549 00:31:48,190 --> 00:31:49,400 First, she turned informant. 550 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:50,650 Then, when... then, when she doesn't... 551 00:31:50,650 --> 00:31:52,150 didn't want to... 552 00:31:52,150 --> 00:31:55,650 tell or whatever anymore is when 553 00:31:55,650 --> 00:31:57,110 this happens. 554 00:32:45,150 --> 00:32:48,490 The informant culture in a small town like Jennings 555 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:52,430 left the women of the Jeff Davis 8 vulnerable. 556 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:56,980 As drug users, 557 00:32:56,980 --> 00:32:59,310 they were vulnerable to arrests, 558 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,150 constantly. 559 00:33:02,610 --> 00:33:07,610 They were in and out of the jail regularly. 560 00:33:07,610 --> 00:33:11,650 Terrie Guillory had enormous power over them 561 00:33:11,650 --> 00:33:13,530 in the jail. 562 00:33:13,530 --> 00:33:17,320 They would engage in all sorts 563 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,940 of informal deals with Terrie 564 00:33:19,940 --> 00:33:22,570 to get out of trouble. 565 00:33:23,860 --> 00:33:25,860 Outside of the jail as well, 566 00:33:25,860 --> 00:33:28,900 he was a go-to man 567 00:33:28,900 --> 00:33:31,110 if they needed help of any kind. 568 00:33:33,190 --> 00:33:37,860 To be a part of this very informal relationship 569 00:33:37,860 --> 00:33:40,360 with law enforcement, 570 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:44,690 it's an incredibly precarious place to be. 571 00:33:48,190 --> 00:33:50,190 My boyfriend Steve, 572 00:33:50,190 --> 00:33:52,820 him and Terrie was always together 573 00:33:52,820 --> 00:33:55,070 at the bars when they would go out. 574 00:33:55,070 --> 00:33:57,570 And Terrie would do 575 00:33:57,570 --> 00:33:58,530 favors for Steve. 576 00:33:58,530 --> 00:34:01,280 Like, Steve would get in trouble. 577 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,490 Say he'd got a DUI. 578 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,890 Got locked up in the parish. 579 00:34:05,900 --> 00:34:08,650 Next day, he was out. 580 00:34:08,650 --> 00:34:11,110 I don't know anybody that goes to jail for a DWI 581 00:34:11,110 --> 00:34:12,990 and gets out the next day, 582 00:34:12,980 --> 00:34:17,230 unless you're an informant and you're helping the police. 583 00:34:18,530 --> 00:34:22,150 Steve would set up busts for Terrie, 584 00:34:22,150 --> 00:34:23,900 'cause that's what Steve would help him with. 585 00:34:26,940 --> 00:34:28,990 My brother Steven 586 00:34:28,980 --> 00:34:31,600 was happy-go-lucky, 587 00:34:31,610 --> 00:34:33,990 fun. 588 00:34:33,980 --> 00:34:37,430 But he liked to party and drink. 589 00:34:40,820 --> 00:34:43,030 It was Saturday. 590 00:34:43,030 --> 00:34:46,030 I was at my brother-in-law's. 591 00:34:46,030 --> 00:34:48,690 And when my husband and I 592 00:34:48,690 --> 00:34:51,490 got back in the car to come home, 593 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,270 I checked my phone, and I had, like, 594 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,820 20 missed calls 595 00:34:56,820 --> 00:34:58,570 from our son Johnnie. 596 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,740 So I called Johnnie, and... 597 00:35:03,730 --> 00:35:05,350 Johnnie said, 598 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,860 "Steven's dead." 599 00:35:10,110 --> 00:35:12,570 Deputy Guillory, if you will, 600 00:35:12,570 --> 00:35:15,280 just identify yourself by name and position, please. 601 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,150 Terrie Guillory. I'm a warden at Jeff Davis Parish Jail. 602 00:35:18,150 --> 00:35:19,440 Okay. 603 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,610 And I just need you to explain 604 00:35:21,610 --> 00:35:24,070 how you were notified of the incident 605 00:35:24,070 --> 00:35:25,650 which occurred in Lake Arthur. 606 00:35:25,650 --> 00:35:28,440 I got a phone call 607 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:29,820 from Detective Chad Romero. 608 00:35:29,820 --> 00:35:31,990 He advised me that, 609 00:35:31,980 --> 00:35:34,140 Steven Gunter had pointed a weapon 610 00:35:34,150 --> 00:35:36,150 at a police officer in Lake Arthur. 611 00:35:36,150 --> 00:35:39,860 Told him I'd meet him in Lake Arthur. 612 00:35:41,150 --> 00:35:44,030 On June 9, 2007, 613 00:35:44,030 --> 00:35:46,490 Steven Gunter and his partner, 614 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,350 Lorritta LaCoste, had been arguing. 615 00:35:51,860 --> 00:35:55,360 Lorritta was worried about Steven's drinking. 616 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,530 They had been arguing the day before. 617 00:35:58,530 --> 00:36:03,360 And the argument had kind of stretched into the next day. 618 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:08,030 The argument spilled out into the street, 619 00:36:08,030 --> 00:36:11,190 and the police were called. 620 00:36:11,190 --> 00:36:15,820 The Lake Arthur Police was first on the scene. 621 00:36:15,820 --> 00:36:17,570 When they arrived, 622 00:36:17,570 --> 00:36:22,190 both Gunter and LaCoste said, 623 00:36:22,190 --> 00:36:23,940 "Everything's okay. 624 00:36:23,940 --> 00:36:25,820 We don't need any help." 625 00:36:25,820 --> 00:36:27,530 Steve told 'em, "I don't want to talk to you. 626 00:36:27,530 --> 00:36:30,110 Nothing happened. Nobody's pressing charges. 627 00:36:30,110 --> 00:36:31,780 Get out my house." 628 00:36:31,780 --> 00:36:34,240 And he shut the door and he locked the door back. 629 00:36:34,230 --> 00:36:37,560 Somehow the incident kept escalating. 630 00:36:37,570 --> 00:36:42,400 More and more police officers were called to the scene. 631 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:43,990 Terrie Guillory 632 00:36:43,980 --> 00:36:45,890 was called to the scene. 633 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,990 Terrie really takes control of the scene, 634 00:36:56,980 --> 00:37:01,270 even though he has no background in negotiating 635 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:05,400 with someone in mental health distress 636 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,440 or negotiating with someone who is armed. 637 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:09,780 I knew his girlfriend who was there. 638 00:37:09,780 --> 00:37:14,490 She was telling us that he had a twent... .22 rifle. 639 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,520 They asked me if there was a gun in the house. 640 00:37:17,530 --> 00:37:22,440 I said yes, but his gun was nowhere where he could find it, 641 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,440 'cause I hid it when he was gone. 642 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:29,530 I was told that if I didn't get away, 643 00:37:29,530 --> 00:37:31,070 that I was going to jail. 644 00:37:31,070 --> 00:37:34,440 So I walked to my backyard. 645 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:38,280 At this point he was in the house alone. 646 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,440 And Steve refused to come out the house. 647 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,280 He just kept saying, "Y'all-y'all go. 648 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:43,990 Y'all leave, y'all leave." Or "go home." 649 00:37:43,980 --> 00:37:45,730 That's what he kept saying. 650 00:37:45,730 --> 00:37:48,100 Steven is begging the officers, 651 00:37:48,110 --> 00:37:49,690 including Terrie, 652 00:37:49,690 --> 00:37:51,150 to leave him alone. 653 00:37:51,150 --> 00:37:53,650 He just wants to be left alone. 654 00:37:53,650 --> 00:37:57,360 They started shooting tear gas bombs in the... 655 00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,150 I mean cannons. 656 00:37:59,150 --> 00:38:01,610 Like cannisters. 657 00:38:01,610 --> 00:38:05,490 And then Terrie entered through the back door. 658 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,310 When I came in, I started shouting, "Steven." 659 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:09,440 I said, "Steven, this is Terrie." 660 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:10,530 I said, "Where you at?" 661 00:38:10,530 --> 00:38:13,150 I kept asking, "Where's he at?" 662 00:38:13,150 --> 00:38:15,400 Terrie Guillory claims 663 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,780 Steven raised a weapon at him. 664 00:38:17,780 --> 00:38:19,110 As I was coming out, 665 00:38:19,110 --> 00:38:21,030 he was already standing up, 666 00:38:21,030 --> 00:38:24,320 had the gun pointed straight down at him. 667 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,440 And at that point, they had no choice 668 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,150 but to fire upon him. 669 00:38:28,150 --> 00:38:30,860 He fired a round same time I fired. 670 00:38:30,860 --> 00:38:32,320 I shot him again. 671 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,190 When I shot him, he fell on the couch 672 00:38:34,190 --> 00:38:35,990 hollering, "He shot me! He shot me!" or "I'm hit!" 673 00:38:35,980 --> 00:38:37,390 or something of that nature. 674 00:38:38,980 --> 00:38:40,520 We grabbed him by the waist, 675 00:38:40,530 --> 00:38:43,030 and we drug him out the front door. 676 00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:47,110 Steven's lifeless body 677 00:38:47,110 --> 00:38:50,860 is placed in the front yard. 678 00:38:50,860 --> 00:38:53,150 It's a very hot 679 00:38:53,150 --> 00:38:55,860 June day in Louisiana, 680 00:38:55,860 --> 00:38:58,570 and Steven's corpse is 681 00:38:58,570 --> 00:39:00,820 left there for hours. 682 00:39:08,780 --> 00:39:12,190 We went to the Lake Arthur Police Department. 683 00:39:13,610 --> 00:39:15,940 And a gentleman, an older gentleman, 684 00:39:15,940 --> 00:39:19,740 he introduced hisself as Richard DuPont, the coroner. 685 00:39:19,730 --> 00:39:22,060 And he said, 686 00:39:22,070 --> 00:39:23,940 "I'm gonna be blunt." 687 00:39:23,940 --> 00:39:27,070 He said, "I'm tired of this shit. 688 00:39:27,070 --> 00:39:29,280 I'm tired of covering up for these people." 689 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,190 After Steven was killed, 690 00:39:37,190 --> 00:39:39,650 there was an autopsy. 691 00:39:39,650 --> 00:39:42,070 When you look at the autopsy, 692 00:39:42,070 --> 00:39:44,610 you see there are 693 00:39:44,610 --> 00:39:48,070 multiple gunshot wounds... 694 00:39:48,070 --> 00:39:50,780 in Steven's hands... 695 00:39:50,780 --> 00:39:54,240 I seen the autopsy. 696 00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:56,270 He had holes in his wrists. 697 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,400 I believe his hands 698 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,780 was up when they started shooting. 699 00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,240 His family says 700 00:40:04,230 --> 00:40:06,270 that it was hard to imagine 701 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,490 Steven's hands wrapped around a weapon. 702 00:40:10,650 --> 00:40:14,280 And if those hands were not around a weapon, 703 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,440 then law enforcement's 704 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,320 entire narrative of the case collapses. 705 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,440 All the news reports 706 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,780 had said he shot at police officers, 707 00:40:23,780 --> 00:40:28,320 he hit a police officer with his fire from his .22, 708 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:32,940 but that's not the true story. 709 00:40:32,940 --> 00:40:34,780 They told us it was actually 710 00:40:34,780 --> 00:40:38,610 their own officer's ricochet that hurt the officer. 711 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,030 And then Mr. DuPont called 712 00:40:43,030 --> 00:40:46,490 and said, "Miss Trahan, I have some information 713 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,140 I was told by the Lake Charles coroner 714 00:40:49,150 --> 00:40:51,490 I could give it to you." 715 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,430 He said, "There was no gun residue 716 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,650 found on your brother's hands." 717 00:40:56,690 --> 00:40:58,650 I said, "What?" 718 00:40:58,650 --> 00:41:03,440 And he's like, "There was no gun residue 719 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:04,650 found on your brother's hands." 720 00:41:04,650 --> 00:41:06,740 Twenty, 25 minutes later, 721 00:41:06,730 --> 00:41:08,640 Richard DuPont calls us back. 722 00:41:08,650 --> 00:41:10,440 He said, 723 00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:14,240 "The coroner of Lake Charles just called me back 724 00:41:14,230 --> 00:41:18,140 to ask me how much information I gave you off the autopsy, 725 00:41:18,150 --> 00:41:19,900 and I told him, 726 00:41:19,900 --> 00:41:23,070 and he was very upset with me. 727 00:41:23,070 --> 00:41:27,940 He said that they actually didn't test for gun residue 728 00:41:27,940 --> 00:41:29,860 because, since they shot him, 729 00:41:29,860 --> 00:41:32,150 he would have residue all over his whole body, 730 00:41:32,150 --> 00:41:36,860 so there was no reason for him to test the hands even." 731 00:41:36,860 --> 00:41:39,740 "But 20 minutes ago, you told me they did test the hands, 732 00:41:39,730 --> 00:41:42,270 and there was no gun residue on his hands." 733 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,240 That hit me wrong. 734 00:41:47,690 --> 00:41:51,110 Our investigator, he wanted to look at the gun hisself, 735 00:41:51,110 --> 00:41:53,490 and when he requested the gun... 736 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,560 it was lost. 737 00:41:56,570 --> 00:41:58,990 It was lost out of the evidence locker. 738 00:41:58,980 --> 00:42:02,350 I find it suspicious. 739 00:42:05,900 --> 00:42:08,650 You feel in your heart something ain't right. 740 00:42:08,650 --> 00:42:11,900 Like your brother is dead 741 00:42:11,900 --> 00:42:14,990 because him and his girlfriend got in an argument? 742 00:42:18,690 --> 00:42:21,780 My brother knew Crystal. 743 00:42:21,780 --> 00:42:24,900 My brother knew all those girls. 744 00:42:24,900 --> 00:42:28,740 My brother would party with those girls. 745 00:42:28,730 --> 00:42:32,600 I believe my brother knew too much about Terrie. 746 00:42:32,610 --> 00:42:35,400 Steven was his neighbor in Hathaway. 747 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,690 Steven was locked up at his jail all the time. 748 00:42:38,690 --> 00:42:41,530 Steven was his informant. 749 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,650 In a deposition, under oath, 750 00:42:46,650 --> 00:42:50,320 Terrie admitted that Steven Gunter worked 751 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,150 as an informant for the sheriff's office. 752 00:42:57,940 --> 00:42:59,780 In that deposition, 753 00:42:59,780 --> 00:43:02,110 there was a lot of interest 754 00:43:02,110 --> 00:43:04,110 in questioning Terrie 755 00:43:04,110 --> 00:43:07,610 regarding his relationship with Gunter. 756 00:43:07,610 --> 00:43:10,650 Questions about the drinking together, 757 00:43:10,650 --> 00:43:13,690 about "Were you in bars together?" 758 00:43:13,690 --> 00:43:15,240 And yet, 759 00:43:15,230 --> 00:43:17,850 perhaps the most important piece of this-- 760 00:43:17,860 --> 00:43:21,280 that Steven was an informant for Terrie-- 761 00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,530 went unexplored. 762 00:43:26,110 --> 00:43:30,400 There was a Louisiana State Police investigation. 763 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,990 The police concluded 764 00:43:32,980 --> 00:43:36,350 that Terrie Guillory's use of force in that case 765 00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,360 was reasonable and justified. 766 00:43:42,690 --> 00:43:46,820 It was also looked at by a grand jury. 767 00:43:48,610 --> 00:43:51,150 But the grand jury declined 768 00:43:51,150 --> 00:43:53,490 to bring an indictment 769 00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,520 against Terrie Guillory. 770 00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:13,110 I hope to get justice for my brother, 771 00:44:13,110 --> 00:44:15,820 to get justice for the girls. 772 00:44:15,820 --> 00:44:17,610 God don't sleep. 773 00:44:17,610 --> 00:44:19,690 You may not get it in this life, 774 00:44:19,690 --> 00:44:23,530 but you may get it in your next one. 775 00:44:23,530 --> 00:44:25,690 You reap what you sow in the end. 776 00:44:30,570 --> 00:44:32,650 In the earliest stages 777 00:44:32,650 --> 00:44:35,150 of my reporting on this case, 778 00:44:35,150 --> 00:44:38,190 I pulled every incident report 779 00:44:38,190 --> 00:44:40,860 or criminal case 780 00:44:40,860 --> 00:44:44,030 related to both the Jeff Davis 8 781 00:44:44,030 --> 00:44:47,360 and any of their friends, relatives, associates. 782 00:44:54,570 --> 00:44:56,570 Very quickly I began to see 783 00:44:56,570 --> 00:44:58,740 a specific address pop up 784 00:44:58,730 --> 00:45:02,980 on Highway 26. 785 00:45:04,150 --> 00:45:06,280 Right off of I-10. 786 00:45:08,940 --> 00:45:12,610 I just ran a basic search on the address and found 787 00:45:12,610 --> 00:45:14,820 that it was a shuttered motel 788 00:45:14,820 --> 00:45:16,990 called the Boudreaux Inn. 789 00:45:21,980 --> 00:45:24,060 And then I spent quite a while 790 00:45:24,070 --> 00:45:26,740 talking to people about the Boudreaux Inn. 791 00:45:26,730 --> 00:45:30,390 And they explained that 792 00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,280 in the Jeff Davis 8 era, 793 00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,610 the Boudreaux Inn was the place in town 794 00:45:35,610 --> 00:45:38,190 to go for sex and drugs. 795 00:45:39,820 --> 00:45:41,690 I worked at the Boudreaux Inn, 796 00:45:41,690 --> 00:45:43,440 at the caf�. 797 00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,690 It was known as 798 00:45:45,690 --> 00:45:48,030 a cheap motel in town to go have a good time. 799 00:45:48,030 --> 00:45:49,940 You know, if you wanted to get high, 800 00:45:49,940 --> 00:45:51,990 whatever you was looking for was there. 801 00:45:53,780 --> 00:45:55,780 Ernestine worked at the Boudreaux Inn. 802 00:45:55,780 --> 00:45:57,240 She was a maid. 803 00:45:57,230 --> 00:46:00,020 Loretta hung out at the Boudreaux. 804 00:46:00,030 --> 00:46:02,610 That was Loretta's spot. That was her spot. 805 00:46:02,610 --> 00:46:04,820 Loretta Chaisson, 806 00:46:04,820 --> 00:46:08,780 she always knew how to hustle up the drugs. 807 00:46:08,780 --> 00:46:11,610 She would go out at the Boudreaux's Inn 808 00:46:11,610 --> 00:46:14,780 and stuff and come back with it. 809 00:46:14,780 --> 00:46:17,360 If we ran out, she'd go and get some more. 810 00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,150 My brother lived next to the Boudreaux Inn. 811 00:46:20,150 --> 00:46:23,320 My brother would get drugs from the Boudreaux Inn. 812 00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,990 My brother would party with those girls. 813 00:46:27,650 --> 00:46:29,490 If a female would 814 00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,480 want to make some money, 815 00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,270 she could go into the bar 816 00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,190 at the Boudreaux Inn and... 817 00:46:38,190 --> 00:46:41,820 be able to hustle some money. 818 00:46:41,820 --> 00:46:44,990 Even in the days before Kristen's murder, 819 00:46:44,980 --> 00:46:47,980 Frankie talks about how he took 820 00:46:47,980 --> 00:46:50,890 Kristen and Tracee Chaisson 821 00:46:50,900 --> 00:46:54,650 to the Boudreaux to make some money. 822 00:46:54,650 --> 00:46:56,820 He was deeply involved 823 00:46:56,820 --> 00:46:59,990 and at times ran the sex trade there. 824 00:46:59,980 --> 00:47:02,680 I never forced... 825 00:47:02,690 --> 00:47:04,860 one of them girls to do something 826 00:47:04,860 --> 00:47:06,650 they didn't want to do. 827 00:47:06,650 --> 00:47:10,240 I took them girls off the street 828 00:47:10,230 --> 00:47:14,480 where they was jumping from car to car for ten, $20. 829 00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,430 It was convenient 830 00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,440 that they had rooms for rent, you know? 831 00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:23,030 I mean, better than going to another bar and hustling a chick 832 00:47:23,030 --> 00:47:24,990 and going out in a car and getting a blow job 833 00:47:24,980 --> 00:47:27,520 or something, you know, in the back seat. 834 00:47:27,530 --> 00:47:30,860 Everybody knew that you went to the front building 835 00:47:30,860 --> 00:47:34,650 to purchase drugs or purchase women. 836 00:47:34,650 --> 00:47:36,570 And then, at that point, 837 00:47:36,570 --> 00:47:38,740 you took the drugs and the women 838 00:47:38,730 --> 00:47:40,680 to the back building 839 00:47:40,690 --> 00:47:44,400 to have sex and use the drugs. 840 00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,570 Boudreaux's Inn made a lot of money. 841 00:47:47,570 --> 00:47:50,400 It was $25 a room for three hours. 842 00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,570 I can flip those rooms all night long. 843 00:47:53,570 --> 00:47:57,070 Sometimes I had three or four of 'em going at a time. 844 00:47:57,070 --> 00:47:59,400 Frankie Richard used 845 00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,070 the Boudreaux Inn 846 00:48:01,070 --> 00:48:04,070 with many of the women of the Jeff Davis 8, 847 00:48:04,070 --> 00:48:07,940 as a kind of ATM for the sex business. 848 00:48:07,940 --> 00:48:12,240 I decided to pull literally every 849 00:48:12,230 --> 00:48:16,310 incident report and every single call for service 850 00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:20,070 to the Boudreaux Inn during the Jeff Davis 8 era. 851 00:48:20,070 --> 00:48:24,110 There were thousands of pages of materials. 852 00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,240 Somebody calls 853 00:48:30,230 --> 00:48:31,680 the police because there's 854 00:48:31,690 --> 00:48:35,030 a crack party happening at the Boudreaux Inn. 855 00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:37,990 Frankie Richard and Andrew Newman, 856 00:48:37,980 --> 00:48:40,430 Kristen's father, are in a fight. 857 00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:44,530 Muggy Brown is in there, pulling a fire alarm. 858 00:48:44,530 --> 00:48:46,940 Whitnei is stabbed 859 00:48:46,940 --> 00:48:49,650 in there at one point. 860 00:48:49,650 --> 00:48:51,780 The entire universe 861 00:48:51,780 --> 00:48:54,690 of the Jeff Davis 8 are... 862 00:48:54,690 --> 00:48:57,490 enveloped in this Boudreaux Inn world. 863 00:48:58,780 --> 00:49:03,110 The mountains of police reports raise 864 00:49:03,110 --> 00:49:06,110 enormous questions about 865 00:49:06,110 --> 00:49:08,240 what the Jennings police 866 00:49:08,230 --> 00:49:12,230 or the sheriff's office knew about this place. 867 00:49:13,650 --> 00:49:15,900 Obviously, law enforcement was aware 868 00:49:15,900 --> 00:49:18,570 that the Boudreaux Inn was a location that 869 00:49:18,570 --> 00:49:22,990 people involved in drugs and prostitution were... 870 00:49:22,980 --> 00:49:25,350 were known to-to go to. 871 00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,690 As for what connection that had to the murders, 872 00:49:28,690 --> 00:49:30,820 the Jeff Davis 8, 873 00:49:30,820 --> 00:49:32,990 to the degree that those things were connected, 874 00:49:32,980 --> 00:49:34,980 I-I don't... I can't tell you that. 875 00:49:34,980 --> 00:49:37,310 You had poor women 876 00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:40,240 who struggled with substance abuse 877 00:49:40,230 --> 00:49:42,810 engaging in sex work at the Boudreaux Inn, 878 00:49:42,820 --> 00:49:44,690 while at the same time, 879 00:49:44,690 --> 00:49:47,320 these women are being murdered 880 00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:51,900 and having their bodies dumped all around town. 881 00:49:51,900 --> 00:49:54,030 And yet the Boudreaux Inn continued 882 00:49:54,030 --> 00:49:56,820 to be operated unencumbered. 883 00:49:56,820 --> 00:49:57,690 Why? 884 00:50:00,030 --> 00:50:01,570 Throughout this case, 885 00:50:01,570 --> 00:50:04,440 I was repeatedly warned, you had to be careful 886 00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:08,900 of that shuttered motel called the Boudreaux Inn, 887 00:50:08,900 --> 00:50:12,150 because it was maintained 888 00:50:12,150 --> 00:50:14,940 or operated or owned even 889 00:50:14,940 --> 00:50:17,360 by powerful people. 65089

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