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When I look
at those photographs,
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I just realize, what felt like
a deep and meaningful
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relationship we had,
just having fun;
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my daughter's in most
of the pictures;
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um, it just...
it felt very inclusive.
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And I think that's why I
had such a difficult time
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ever letting go
of... of him.
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It's so incompatible
with the Ted that I knew.
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I just didn't think
he could do these things.
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Theodore Robert Bundy,
at age 28,
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a University of Utah
law student...
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- How you doin'?
- Good, how are you?
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At 30,
a Colorado jail escapee
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and one of the FBI's
ten most wanted men.
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Ted Bundy knew
how to prey on women.
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He knew he was
going to go after women
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for their good nature,
their willingness to help out,
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their empathy, their belief
that they should be nurturers,
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that they should be kind,
and especially be kind to men.
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My jaw was
broken in three places.
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I had lacerations
on my shoulder.
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I had a broken jaw.
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Um, some of my teeth
were knocked out.
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3, 2, 1.
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Tonight, Ted Bundy
and cameras in the courtroom...
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- Ted Bundy...
- Ted Bundy...
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- Ted Bundy...
- Ted Bundy...
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Ted Bundy...
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Theodore
Robert Bundy...
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Smile, Ted.
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The Ted Bundy story
has been recycled
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over and over
and over again.
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It makes for great
entertainment.
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He's a fascinating,
evil character.
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It's a discounting
of the stories of the women,
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in favour of the central hero
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being the most important
character in the narrative.
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And that is
the failure to look deeper
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and think harder about violence
against women in our culture.
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At that time,
women were on the cusp
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of becoming independent.
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You're starting to feel
like you can do anything,
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and all of a sudden,
you get walloped.
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I guess I feel like
speaking about my sister now
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because women's lives
are still secondary to men,
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and somewhat expendable.
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It's the only reason to
really poke at it again,
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is to try to learn something,
to rise above it.
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The story has
been told many times by men.
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I want to tell the story
because I think
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there are some lessons
to be learned.
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Now's the time
to talk about this.
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And all of...
all of this.
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Not just bits
and pieces of it,
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but my story from
beginning to end.
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I've had
so much to work through
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since all of this happened.
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There was shame;
there was guilt;
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there was all kinds of
things that I...
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I didn't feel
really good about.
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Even after
he was arrested
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and he was in prison,
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he wrote me
many, many letters
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where he talked about
me and my daughter
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being the best thing
that ever happened to him,
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and that's what he really
missed by not being free.
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He missed our life together.
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Gosh, it's...
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My gosh.
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"I would not change places
with any other man in the world.
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"I consider you
a miracle in my life,
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"and in spite of the disaster
we have suffered,
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"I would not,
for a moment,
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"ever wish for another woman.
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"You are the most loving and
lovely woman I have ever known.
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"You are in my mind constantly.
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"No words could
express adequately
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"the dimensions of my feelings.
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"I shall love you forever
and forever in my dreams.
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"I shall love you with every
long-haired beauty I see.
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"I shall love you with
every clear blue sky.
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"I will love you
until my last breath.
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"No goodbyes,
just I love you."
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That one...
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That one still gets me.
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We came over I-90,
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which is through
the mountains.
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It had been raining,
and there was mist in the air
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that was hanging
at the tops of the trees.
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And then we ended up
on a floating bridge
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that went across
Lake Washington.
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It was just beautiful.
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And it just
knocked my socks off.
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I was so happy to be here.
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I thought,
"This is it.
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"This is the place
I want to be."
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So I was a single mom,
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and I was moving here from Utah
with my daughter, Molly.
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I found a place
on Capitol Hill,
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which was kind of
run-down at the time.
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It was a one-bedroom
apartment,
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so my daughter
slept on the couch.
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But it was close to
where my friend lived,
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so I felt comfortable
about that.
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You know, there weren't
a lot of options in the day.
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There was like teaching,
nursing, secretarial work.
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I thought I would be
really happy
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working at the
University of Washington,
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and I knew I could be
a good secretary.
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The first
interview I went out on,
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they hired me right away,
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and I thought,
"This is great."
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And it just felt like I'm...
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gonna have this big adventure.
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My daughter,
she was just three
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when I went to work.
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I found a good
daycare for her,
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but it was hard for me
to drop her off in the morning,
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so they'd let me bring
my daughter to work,
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and she enjoyed it as much
as I enjoyed having her there.
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When I was
first introduced to Liz,
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I just couldn't believe it.
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She just looked
so young and...
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and so vulnerable.
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The look on her face,
it was like,
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"My God, I finally
got a job at the U."
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She just looked like
she was so wide-eyed
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and hadn't been
very many places.
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Growing up
in Utah,
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I was the youngest
out of four kids.
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Not that I was ever that good
at going to Mormon church,
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but it was the culture in Utah.
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All your neighbours
are Mormon.
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Everything that
goes on down there
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has got influenced
by the LDS church.
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The wife is there to support the
husband in his important work,
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and so the most important
job for a woman
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is to be a good wife
and a good mother.
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In
the Relief Society,
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we learn how to become
better wives and mothers,
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and receive
religious instruction
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in this worldwide organization.
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I feel
that Mormon women
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have always been liberated.
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- Hi, Jeanette.
- Won't you come in?
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I often looked
at my parents' marriage,
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and I thought,
"That's just not for me,"
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because my dad was
the one that went out
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and made the living
and brought in the money,
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and my mom
took care of the home.
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And even though I was
really wanting a family,
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I didn't see myself as
having to... ask for money.
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And so it felt like there
was really not a place for me.
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I mean, I just felt like
I stuck out like a sore thumb.
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Since an early age
I've been shy,
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so it's been a
lifetime of struggle.
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When I meet new people
or I'm in a situation
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that I've not been in before,
I just get so tongue-tied,
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and really wishing that I
could just crawl into a hole.
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I think it had a lot to do
with self esteem.
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I just grew up thinking,
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"There's something
wrong with me.
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"I don't know what it is."
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In college,
I went through sorority rush,
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and at the end of that,
I... I didn't get a bid,
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as they call it,
and I got dropped.
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And even though I didn't think
I wanted to be in a sorority,
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it was still devastating
because it felt like rejection.
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And that's when I realized
that if I drank,
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that I was just way more fun.
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So I just felt
smarter, prettier,
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more charming, funnier.
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So drinking was
a big problem,
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and it did nothing
to help me become
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the person that I
was hoping to become.
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I did get
married and had a baby
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while I was still in college.
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My husband was very immature.
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He was a year younger than me
and partying a lot.
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The marriage just
didn't survive.
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I really wanted
to get married again
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and have more children.
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I thought that Seattle
would be the place
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where I would
really settle down,
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and I was just gonna work there
until I found Mr. Right.
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When I first
walked onto campus,
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I saw that there was
this huge demonstration,
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and I saw all these
police cars go by,
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and they were full of
police in riot gear.
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I had no idea
what was going on.
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And all of a sudden
a big cheer went up,
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and these people had pushed
a bulldozer into this pit
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that had been dug
for a new building.
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And there were
cops coming in riot gear
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by the carful, and I
just stood on the sidewalk
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and watched it all,
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because I'd never seen
anything like that in Utah.
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The University of
Washington was a hotbed
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of anti-war movement.
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There were campus radicals;
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there was bombings;
there were riots.
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And young women were
showing more independence,
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trying new things.
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I was
an undergraduate
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at the University of Washington.
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I was involved
in the anti-war movement.
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I was involved in
all sorts of left-wing,
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progressive politics,
so for me,
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the political life at the
university was just wonderful.
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It was a lot of fun.
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Two, four,
six, eight!
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Separate the
church and state!
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Women have
a fundamental right
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to control their own bodies
and to control their own lives.
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I came here in '69
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not knowing what
I was getting into.
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We were making connections
that we hadn't made before.
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We were working together.
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It was a time of discovery.
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You know, the world
seemed like a new place.
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This is a
search for equality
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of opportunity, not the
wish to be just like men.
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It is a desire for
more options, for choice,
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for a shattering
of stereotypes,
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for women to choose more freely
the kinds of lives
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that they want to live.
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Sex and the Single Girl
does state the fact
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that single women do have
sex lives occasionally,
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and it isn't the end of
the world when they have them.
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The girl simply is not
ruined, in my opinion,
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if she has had an affair
before she gets married.
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It was
a liberating time.
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It opened all these
choices to us.
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And we were in control
of our own fertility,
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our own bodies.
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It was a revolutionary change.
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What we need
is to thrust new people
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into the limelight and to
show the range and breadth
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of talent among women
all over this nation.
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We are
a delegation!
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We are women and we are
allowed in this door.
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Yes!
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We're trying to point
out what it feels like
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to be whistled at,
put down constantly sexually,
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every time we walk
down the street.
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We'd like people to understand
what it feels like to have
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someone go
all the time.
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Yay!
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We're
supposed to dig it
251
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because we're supposed to dig
that we're sexual objects,
252
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and we don't want to be
sexual objects anymore.
253
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I don't want to
be treated that way.
254
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I want to have the rights
to be a human being.
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You ain't got the guts
enough to do it.
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Men who were
growing up in the times
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when women were subservient,
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and came of age when women
were moving past that,
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I believe it triggered some
very strong feelings in them,
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and in some of them,
it was rage.
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My friend
and I decided
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that we were gonna go out.
263
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It was my first night that
I went out dancing in Seattle.
264
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We found a babysitter
for my daughter,
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and we went to a tavern
in the U District
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called the Sandpiper.
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00:13:54,543 --> 00:13:58,343
I noticed just a
really good-looking man.
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He was sitting
at the table by himself,
269
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it was Ted.
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I was flattered
when he asked me to dance.
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I really had my eye on him
all night, basically.
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We did dance, and then
that was the end of it,
273
00:14:14,354 --> 00:14:16,404
so I was thinking maybe
he was gonna ask me again,
274
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but he didn't.
275
00:14:17,732 --> 00:14:20,362
And I went over and
started talking to him.
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As a single mom, I never wanted
to be bringing men home,
277
00:14:24,197 --> 00:14:26,487
but I was too drunk
to drive, really,
278
00:14:26,533 --> 00:14:28,743
and I said, "So, will you
spend the night here?"
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And he said, "Yes."
280
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So I just laid down
on the top of my bed
281
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without changing
my clothes or anything,
282
00:14:34,082 --> 00:14:36,792
but he didn't try to
kiss me or do any of that.
283
00:14:40,422 --> 00:14:41,672
When I
got up in the morning,
284
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he had gotten Molly up,
285
00:14:44,050 --> 00:14:47,260
and he was fixing breakfast
for both of us.
286
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So it just was like,
"My gosh."
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00:14:50,140 --> 00:14:53,230
It just took my
breath away, basically.
288
00:14:57,314 --> 00:14:59,154
I was kidding her
when she come in;
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I said, "What are
you grinning about?
290
00:15:01,026 --> 00:15:02,686
"You look so happy."
291
00:15:02,736 --> 00:15:05,026
She said, "I met
a guy last night,
292
00:15:05,071 --> 00:15:09,621
"and what a handsome
looking dude he was."
293
00:15:09,659 --> 00:15:12,159
I says, "Really?"
294
00:15:12,203 --> 00:15:16,833
And she was telling me all about
the manly jawline he had,
295
00:15:16,875 --> 00:15:19,705
and how well-dressed he was.
296
00:15:19,753 --> 00:15:22,213
And I said, "Well,
what happened?"
297
00:15:22,255 --> 00:15:24,965
She says, "You know,
I went over
298
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"and I danced with him,"
299
00:15:27,302 --> 00:15:32,022
and she said,
"You can't believe the enjoyment
300
00:15:32,057 --> 00:15:37,017
"and the exhilaration of meeting
somebody who reflected to me
301
00:15:37,062 --> 00:15:39,272
"how I was feeling about him."
302
00:15:39,314 --> 00:15:41,234
This is the way
she went on and on.
303
00:15:41,274 --> 00:15:43,284
And I said,
"What is this guy's name?"
304
00:15:43,318 --> 00:15:45,238
And she said,
"Ted Bundy."
305
00:15:51,743 --> 00:15:53,543
I have not had
that with anyone else,
306
00:15:53,578 --> 00:15:57,578
where I just right off the bat
felt connected to someone.
307
00:15:57,624 --> 00:16:00,884
It just felt like
two pieces of a puzzle
308
00:16:00,919 --> 00:16:03,129
coming together.
It just fit.
309
00:16:03,171 --> 00:16:06,171
And it was really
quite spectacular.
310
00:16:08,635 --> 00:16:10,175
I thought
he was very funny,
311
00:16:10,220 --> 00:16:14,390
and he seemed very mature,
and he seemed polished.
312
00:16:14,432 --> 00:16:17,142
And he told me that
he was a law student,
313
00:16:17,185 --> 00:16:19,515
so I thought,
314
00:16:19,562 --> 00:16:22,482
"As a lawyer, he's certainly
going to make a nice living
315
00:16:22,524 --> 00:16:25,614
"and have these wonderful
things that he wants."
316
00:16:25,652 --> 00:16:27,072
And since I was
new to Seattle,
317
00:16:27,112 --> 00:16:30,032
he could hardly wait to show me
his favourite restaurants.
318
00:16:30,073 --> 00:16:33,243
He had a favourite Asian
rug store that we went to
319
00:16:33,284 --> 00:16:34,664
and looked at
all the Asian rugs.
320
00:16:34,703 --> 00:16:36,873
And just things that I...
321
00:16:36,913 --> 00:16:39,543
I thought were
just endearing.
322
00:16:42,961 --> 00:16:44,001
My daughter
had a lot of friends
323
00:16:44,045 --> 00:16:45,295
in our neighbourhood,
324
00:16:45,338 --> 00:16:47,338
and so Ted was
really fun with them;
325
00:16:47,382 --> 00:16:48,722
he'd play with them.
326
00:16:48,758 --> 00:16:50,928
He'd get a hose and they'd
all get their little umbrellas
327
00:16:50,969 --> 00:16:52,349
and they'd be in
their swimming suits,
328
00:16:52,387 --> 00:16:54,347
and he'd make rain
for them on the lawn.
329
00:16:54,389 --> 00:16:57,269
And of course,
the kids loved it.
330
00:16:57,308 --> 00:17:00,268
He taught my daughter
how to ride her bike.
331
00:17:00,311 --> 00:17:02,941
She just really
took to that.
332
00:17:06,609 --> 00:17:08,949
Much like it is
with everybody's dad
333
00:17:08,987 --> 00:17:10,657
teaching them
to ride a bike,
334
00:17:10,697 --> 00:17:12,487
he ran along.
335
00:17:12,532 --> 00:17:14,332
Well, actually,
let me start at this.
336
00:17:14,367 --> 00:17:17,577
He did not like it that I had
training wheels on my bike,
337
00:17:17,620 --> 00:17:21,040
and so he took these
wheels off my bike,
338
00:17:21,082 --> 00:17:23,132
and he would hold
onto the back of it
339
00:17:23,168 --> 00:17:27,168
and run down
the alleyway with me.
340
00:17:27,213 --> 00:17:29,383
And I would try to steer,
341
00:17:29,424 --> 00:17:32,304
and all of a sudden
he said something,
342
00:17:32,343 --> 00:17:34,643
and he was way at the
other end of the alley,
343
00:17:34,679 --> 00:17:37,349
and I realized I'm riding
this bike by myself,
344
00:17:37,390 --> 00:17:40,810
so I crashed into
someone's garage promptly.
345
00:17:44,981 --> 00:17:46,521
I remember
meeting him.
346
00:17:46,566 --> 00:17:50,316
The first night when he
came home with my mom
347
00:17:50,361 --> 00:17:51,491
to our house,
348
00:17:51,529 --> 00:17:54,369
and he read me
my favourite book,
349
00:17:54,407 --> 00:17:56,577
which I had memorized.
350
00:17:56,618 --> 00:18:00,618
It was called, "Teddy Bear
from Bumpkin Hollow."
351
00:18:00,663 --> 00:18:02,833
He would read a line
and he would say, "Freddy Bear,"
352
00:18:02,874 --> 00:18:05,544
and I'd say, "Not Freddy Bear,
Teddy Bear,"
353
00:18:05,585 --> 00:18:07,495
and he would
just make it ridiculous,
354
00:18:07,545 --> 00:18:09,005
and I would laugh.
355
00:18:09,047 --> 00:18:11,467
And I thought
he was delightful.
356
00:18:14,552 --> 00:18:16,352
If you look at
any of these pictures,
357
00:18:16,387 --> 00:18:19,807
he's swinging me in circles,
head first to the ground.
358
00:18:19,849 --> 00:18:24,599
And he was always throwing me,
hanging me upside down.
359
00:18:24,646 --> 00:18:27,016
And I trusted him
a hundred percent.
360
00:18:27,065 --> 00:18:30,815
I mean, he gave you
his entire self.
361
00:18:30,860 --> 00:18:32,780
And, you know, for a kid,
that's everything,
362
00:18:32,821 --> 00:18:37,701
for somebody to pay exquisite
attention to your experiences,
363
00:18:37,742 --> 00:18:39,292
what you're looking for.
364
00:18:39,327 --> 00:18:42,117
And, I mean, I could see
he lit my mom up
365
00:18:42,163 --> 00:18:44,173
like a woman in love,
366
00:18:44,207 --> 00:18:45,997
and that just made sense.
367
00:18:46,042 --> 00:18:47,672
We were like a family.
368
00:18:47,710 --> 00:18:49,880
That's what I remember.
369
00:18:53,049 --> 00:18:54,379
Well,
he did seem to just
370
00:18:54,425 --> 00:18:56,465
settle right in
to our family.
371
00:18:56,511 --> 00:18:58,511
It was like everything
that I'd ever wanted,
372
00:18:58,555 --> 00:19:00,385
so I was hooked.
373
00:19:02,475 --> 00:19:06,595
That continuous
happiness just radiated in her.
374
00:19:06,646 --> 00:19:11,606
And it was such a sweet story
to watch love grow
375
00:19:11,651 --> 00:19:14,401
and be so intense
and so complete.
376
00:19:14,445 --> 00:19:18,775
She swore that it was
like going to heaven.
377
00:19:18,825 --> 00:19:21,615
I felt good
in the relationship
378
00:19:21,661 --> 00:19:23,041
and I felt loved.
379
00:19:23,079 --> 00:19:25,289
I just didn't
have any doubts.
380
00:19:25,331 --> 00:19:28,291
Ted and my dad had a bond
that was really different
381
00:19:28,334 --> 00:19:30,004
than my relationship
with my dad,
382
00:19:30,044 --> 00:19:34,974
but they'd just talk about
football and politics, and...
383
00:19:35,008 --> 00:19:37,338
just have a good
time together.
384
00:19:37,385 --> 00:19:38,885
And pretty soon
he was asking if he could
385
00:19:38,928 --> 00:19:41,758
bring his little brother
Richard along
386
00:19:41,806 --> 00:19:44,636
on certain outings
that we were going on.
387
00:19:46,060 --> 00:19:47,480
My name
is Rich Bundy,
388
00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,980
and I was Ted Bundy's
little brother.
389
00:19:56,279 --> 00:19:58,239
We were more
than just brothers.
390
00:19:58,281 --> 00:20:00,411
You know,
we were close friends.
391
00:20:00,450 --> 00:20:02,370
You know, I really
looked forward
392
00:20:02,410 --> 00:20:04,790
to spending time with him,
which I did a lot of.
393
00:20:04,829 --> 00:20:07,919
I'd spend weekends
with him, and...
394
00:20:07,957 --> 00:20:09,287
summer vacations from school,
395
00:20:09,334 --> 00:20:12,464
I'd go live with him for
most of the summer vacation.
396
00:20:12,503 --> 00:20:15,053
He was living in Seattle
and he'd have me come up there,
397
00:20:15,089 --> 00:20:18,089
spend the weekend,
a couple times a month.
398
00:20:18,134 --> 00:20:21,394
You know, we'd go over
and pick up Liz and Molly
399
00:20:21,429 --> 00:20:23,679
and get the raft out,
and it would just be--
400
00:20:23,723 --> 00:20:26,063
seemed like a really healthy,
"Okay, I got the basket.
401
00:20:26,100 --> 00:20:27,520
"Okay, doodly-doo,"
you know?
402
00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:28,980
"Here we go."
403
00:20:29,020 --> 00:20:30,900
Like...
404
00:20:30,939 --> 00:20:32,689
the Wally and the Beaver,
you know?
405
00:20:32,732 --> 00:20:35,532
That's an analogy some people
won't understand, but...
406
00:20:35,568 --> 00:20:37,448
We were very close.
407
00:20:37,487 --> 00:20:38,737
You loved him.
408
00:20:38,780 --> 00:20:40,070
I did love him.
409
00:20:42,116 --> 00:20:44,036
Ted just
adored Richard.
410
00:20:44,077 --> 00:20:47,867
Always wanted to take him places
and do things with him.
411
00:20:47,914 --> 00:20:49,584
We would frequently go,
412
00:20:49,624 --> 00:20:53,384
me and Ted
and Molly and Richard,
413
00:20:53,419 --> 00:20:56,049
and we'd go and raft
down certain rivers,
414
00:20:56,089 --> 00:21:00,009
and so it was a lot of fun,
and we did a lot of rafting.
415
00:21:00,051 --> 00:21:01,971
I know that Richard
looked up to him,
416
00:21:02,011 --> 00:21:05,261
and kind of held him in awe.
417
00:21:05,306 --> 00:21:06,556
You know,
the kind of thing
418
00:21:06,599 --> 00:21:08,769
a boy of 12 years old
just automatically thinks, like,
419
00:21:08,810 --> 00:21:12,060
"Hey, that person's
really awesome,
420
00:21:12,105 --> 00:21:13,265
"got it together.
421
00:21:13,314 --> 00:21:15,984
"I'm gonna follow
what they say."
422
00:21:16,025 --> 00:21:18,815
It's like he could
do no wrong.
423
00:21:18,861 --> 00:21:21,071
So...
424
00:21:22,448 --> 00:21:24,078
Yeah.
425
00:21:38,548 --> 00:21:41,928
I was an instructor
at University of Washington,
426
00:21:41,968 --> 00:21:46,308
teaching undergraduate
abnormal psychology.
427
00:21:46,347 --> 00:21:48,097
A big thing on campus
at the time
428
00:21:48,141 --> 00:21:50,391
was eliminating grades.
429
00:21:50,435 --> 00:21:53,475
And somebody spoke up
and said,
430
00:21:53,521 --> 00:21:55,191
"Well, we ought to
assign our own grades.
431
00:21:55,231 --> 00:21:57,781
"If I think I deserve a B,
I'll work toward a B,
432
00:21:57,817 --> 00:21:59,607
"and that's what I'll get."
433
00:21:59,652 --> 00:22:02,282
And pretty soon,
everybody's going, "Yeah."
434
00:22:02,321 --> 00:22:04,781
It felt like the class was
about to spin out of control
435
00:22:04,824 --> 00:22:09,044
until this voice from about
three quarters of the way back
436
00:22:09,078 --> 00:22:12,918
spoke up and said,
"No.
437
00:22:12,957 --> 00:22:15,327
"Things need to
be done properly.
438
00:22:15,376 --> 00:22:19,126
"There needs to be evaluation
of our accomplishments,
439
00:22:19,172 --> 00:22:23,512
"and there needs to be order."
440
00:22:23,551 --> 00:22:25,221
And so I...
you know,
441
00:22:25,261 --> 00:22:28,101
I looked up,
and here's this fellow
442
00:22:28,139 --> 00:22:30,559
dressed,
tweed sport coat,
443
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:34,020
button-down dress shirt,
penny loafers,
444
00:22:34,062 --> 00:22:37,652
amid this sea of the
unwashed, unshaven hippies.
445
00:22:37,690 --> 00:22:41,190
That was my introduction
to Ted Bundy.
446
00:22:44,113 --> 00:22:45,783
I thought
he was being kind,
447
00:22:45,823 --> 00:22:51,503
I thought he was a person
of some character.
448
00:22:51,537 --> 00:22:53,917
And I felt a sense of relief
449
00:22:53,956 --> 00:22:55,666
because a few moments earlier,
450
00:22:55,708 --> 00:22:57,248
I felt beleaguered.
451
00:22:57,293 --> 00:23:00,253
He seemed like
a very likeable guy.
452
00:23:03,841 --> 00:23:05,471
I was working
at a place called
453
00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:07,470
Law and Justice
Planning Office.
454
00:23:07,512 --> 00:23:10,262
And one of the things
we were to do was to improve
455
00:23:10,306 --> 00:23:12,556
crime prevention
in the city of Seattle.
456
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,020
The whole rape issue
was important at that time,
457
00:23:15,061 --> 00:23:18,651
and I was lucky enough
to do a study on rape
458
00:23:18,689 --> 00:23:22,149
based on reported
rapes in Seattle
459
00:23:22,193 --> 00:23:25,533
in the previous
several years.
460
00:23:25,571 --> 00:23:28,531
I received a telephone call
from my mentor
461
00:23:28,574 --> 00:23:30,544
at the University
of Washington,
462
00:23:30,576 --> 00:23:34,536
and she called to say
that she had a student,
463
00:23:34,580 --> 00:23:37,290
and his name was Ted Bundy.
464
00:23:39,043 --> 00:23:41,923
He had applied
to law school,
465
00:23:41,963 --> 00:23:46,133
but his grades for his
first two years in college
466
00:23:46,175 --> 00:23:48,005
were very poor.
467
00:23:48,052 --> 00:23:51,392
So his plan was to meet
people in the system
468
00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:54,270
and have recommendations
to take with him
469
00:23:54,308 --> 00:23:57,648
on his next round of
applications for law school.
470
00:23:57,687 --> 00:24:01,727
He was so impressive
that he was hired
471
00:24:01,774 --> 00:24:05,284
for a brand-new project,
this crime prevention project.
472
00:24:07,488 --> 00:24:11,658
He was to be working
with some prominent lawyers
473
00:24:11,701 --> 00:24:13,541
and some businessmen
and other people
474
00:24:13,578 --> 00:24:16,038
who were interested
in preventing crime.
475
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:17,710
The head of the Commission
at that time
476
00:24:17,748 --> 00:24:20,878
was Professor Ezra Stotland
from the university,
477
00:24:20,918 --> 00:24:26,298
and Ezra was
so charmed by him
478
00:24:26,340 --> 00:24:29,640
that he had him to dinner
at his home many times,
479
00:24:29,677 --> 00:24:34,017
and told me that
his 16-year-old daughter
480
00:24:34,056 --> 00:24:38,556
also thought that
Ted was just special.
481
00:24:38,603 --> 00:24:41,273
And Ezra said, "You know,
I secretly hoped
482
00:24:41,314 --> 00:24:44,574
"that my daughter would marry
someone just like him."
483
00:24:44,609 --> 00:24:46,399
If I were the father
of a young woman
484
00:24:46,444 --> 00:24:49,574
and this young man
came to the door
485
00:24:49,614 --> 00:24:51,914
to take my daughter
to the prom,
486
00:24:51,949 --> 00:24:55,619
I would think, "I know
she'll be safe with him."
487
00:24:55,661 --> 00:24:59,421
Because he really did come
across as a Prince Charming.
488
00:25:00,458 --> 00:25:01,748
And he was so smooth.
489
00:25:01,792 --> 00:25:03,172
He could attract you.
490
00:25:03,211 --> 00:25:05,251
He could pull you
right into his space.
491
00:25:05,296 --> 00:25:06,666
He had a way about him.
492
00:25:06,714 --> 00:25:09,094
He talked very quietly
and very softly.
493
00:25:09,133 --> 00:25:12,723
You had to lean forward
to hear him, and it...
494
00:25:12,762 --> 00:25:15,312
and it closed the space
between the two of you,
495
00:25:15,348 --> 00:25:17,768
and you were in his space,
essentially.
496
00:25:24,732 --> 00:25:26,732
He was very
interested in politics.
497
00:25:26,776 --> 00:25:28,526
And he liked hanging out
with people
498
00:25:28,569 --> 00:25:31,199
that were part of
the Republican party.
499
00:25:31,239 --> 00:25:34,239
This nation
demands new leadership.
500
00:25:34,283 --> 00:25:37,413
This is the Republican hour.
501
00:25:39,747 --> 00:25:43,327
Ted Bundy worked
for the very popular
502
00:25:43,376 --> 00:25:46,046
pro-environment Republican
governor that we had,
503
00:25:46,087 --> 00:25:47,297
Dan Evans.
504
00:25:47,338 --> 00:25:48,838
Who's making sure
California won't get
505
00:25:48,881 --> 00:25:51,131
one drop of
Washington water?
506
00:25:51,175 --> 00:25:53,795
Governor Dan Evans.
507
00:25:53,844 --> 00:25:55,724
Who got the state's
freeway construction
508
00:25:55,763 --> 00:25:57,563
back on schedule?
509
00:25:57,598 --> 00:25:59,678
Governor Dan Evans.
510
00:26:02,687 --> 00:26:05,897
Dan Evans had
just been elected as governor,
511
00:26:05,940 --> 00:26:08,480
and so we got this invite
to the Governor's Ball.
512
00:26:08,526 --> 00:26:10,816
But I was very insecure.
513
00:26:10,861 --> 00:26:14,951
Didn't feel like I fit the mould
of a politician's girlfriend.
514
00:26:14,991 --> 00:26:16,951
Ted, on the other hand,
he seemed so comfortable
515
00:26:16,993 --> 00:26:18,583
in social settings.
516
00:26:21,831 --> 00:26:22,921
No matter
where he went,
517
00:26:22,957 --> 00:26:24,327
he could fit in easily.
518
00:26:24,375 --> 00:26:27,705
He could talk to almost
anybody about anything.
519
00:26:27,753 --> 00:26:30,423
I mean, it was
just astounding.
520
00:26:39,974 --> 00:26:42,734
He had the gift
for dealing with all people.
521
00:26:42,768 --> 00:26:47,358
He was really rather
gifted at seeing
522
00:26:47,398 --> 00:26:51,068
what you might need him to be,
and being that.
523
00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:52,610
Looking back on it,
you know,
524
00:26:52,653 --> 00:26:56,243
I feel like he was
an impressive person.
525
00:26:58,451 --> 00:27:00,831
We felt lucky
he picked us,
526
00:27:00,870 --> 00:27:04,040
and we felt kind of like
the country cousins, you know?
527
00:27:04,081 --> 00:27:07,541
And he was more
sophisticated than we were.
528
00:27:10,338 --> 00:27:11,588
What it looked like
529
00:27:11,630 --> 00:27:15,220
is that he was a step
above ourselves.
530
00:27:15,259 --> 00:27:18,299
We kind of started to see
531
00:27:18,346 --> 00:27:21,346
the kind of...
choices he would want,
532
00:27:21,390 --> 00:27:23,930
like in our
clothes and things.
533
00:27:23,976 --> 00:27:25,346
I remember that.
534
00:27:25,394 --> 00:27:28,944
It was conservative,
upper-crusty things.
535
00:27:28,981 --> 00:27:31,361
He wanted me
to wear a dress.
536
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:35,610
It was not really so much
about evaluating him.
537
00:27:35,654 --> 00:27:38,574
Clearly he was
magnificent in all ways.
538
00:27:38,616 --> 00:27:41,406
And so we should just,
you know,
539
00:27:41,452 --> 00:27:46,372
aspire to rise
to his level of...
540
00:27:46,415 --> 00:27:48,665
of polish.
541
00:27:51,837 --> 00:27:53,207
He wanted
to dress well.
542
00:27:53,255 --> 00:27:56,085
He wanted to be seen with
the right kind of people.
543
00:27:56,133 --> 00:27:58,843
He saw that as
his way forward.
544
00:27:58,886 --> 00:28:01,216
And how many Republican--
you know, young Republicans,
545
00:28:01,263 --> 00:28:03,273
were there in--
at the University of Washington?
546
00:28:03,307 --> 00:28:04,557
Not so many.
547
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,100
I mean, he was a Republican
at the time that Nixon
548
00:28:06,143 --> 00:28:08,773
was the face of the party.
549
00:28:12,858 --> 00:28:14,818
I don't promise
that we can eradicate poverty
550
00:28:14,860 --> 00:28:16,240
and end discrimination,
551
00:28:16,278 --> 00:28:17,908
and eliminate
all danger of war
552
00:28:17,947 --> 00:28:20,237
in the space of four,
or even eight years,
553
00:28:20,282 --> 00:28:22,542
but I do promise action,
554
00:28:22,576 --> 00:28:24,196
a new policy for
peace abroad,
555
00:28:24,245 --> 00:28:25,995
a new policy for
peace and progress
556
00:28:26,038 --> 00:28:28,708
and justice at home.
557
00:28:32,128 --> 00:28:34,918
At first it was
called the Watergate Caper.
558
00:28:34,964 --> 00:28:37,264
Five men apparently
caught in the act
559
00:28:37,299 --> 00:28:39,049
of burglarizing and bugging
560
00:28:39,093 --> 00:28:42,103
Democratic headquarters
in Washington.
561
00:28:42,138 --> 00:28:44,598
Watergate was
the big national story.
562
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,140
It gained momentum.
563
00:28:46,183 --> 00:28:48,643
Everybody was following
every development,
564
00:28:48,686 --> 00:28:50,146
every hearing.
565
00:28:50,187 --> 00:28:51,397
Donald Segretti.
566
00:28:51,439 --> 00:28:54,319
Reports in major newspapers
say White House aides
567
00:28:54,358 --> 00:28:57,188
recruited Segretti for
secret intelligence work
568
00:28:57,236 --> 00:29:00,696
and dirty tricks
against the Democrats.
569
00:29:00,739 --> 00:29:03,199
There was someone
named Donald Segretti,
570
00:29:03,242 --> 00:29:07,122
who was a dirty trickster
in the Nixon campaign.
571
00:29:07,163 --> 00:29:10,833
These Republican tricksters
were calling prostitutes
572
00:29:10,875 --> 00:29:12,455
and ordering them up
573
00:29:12,501 --> 00:29:15,631
for delegates at
the Democratic Convention.
574
00:29:15,671 --> 00:29:19,381
It made it look like
the Democrats had called up
575
00:29:19,425 --> 00:29:22,795
to get all of these
prostitutes involved.
576
00:29:22,845 --> 00:29:26,385
At the same time,
Ted came to visit me one day.
577
00:29:26,432 --> 00:29:29,562
He'd been working in this
gubernatorial campaign,
578
00:29:29,602 --> 00:29:32,612
and he was standing
in my office,
579
00:29:32,646 --> 00:29:35,226
and I remember him
telling me about this,
580
00:29:35,274 --> 00:29:38,534
that he had been
helping this candidate
581
00:29:38,569 --> 00:29:40,359
in the governor's race,
582
00:29:40,404 --> 00:29:45,454
and that he had been involved
in following around the opponent
583
00:29:45,493 --> 00:29:49,463
and wearing wigs and false
moustache and other things.
584
00:29:49,497 --> 00:29:50,537
It's hard
for me to believe
585
00:29:50,581 --> 00:29:51,831
that what I did
is newsworthy,
586
00:29:51,874 --> 00:29:54,084
and my part in the campaign
was so insignificant,
587
00:29:54,126 --> 00:29:57,206
I'm embarrassed that I should be
getting this publicity from it.
588
00:29:57,254 --> 00:29:59,594
Really embarrassed.
589
00:29:59,632 --> 00:30:01,382
And I remember
saying to him,
590
00:30:01,425 --> 00:30:04,215
"Are you getting your lead
from Donald Segretti?"
591
00:30:04,261 --> 00:30:05,601
And I can remember
he laughed.
592
00:30:05,638 --> 00:30:08,348
He was sort of relishing
telling us about that
593
00:30:08,390 --> 00:30:10,600
and about wearing
different wigs
594
00:30:10,643 --> 00:30:12,233
and having to appear
differently
595
00:30:12,269 --> 00:30:14,229
in different contexts,
596
00:30:14,271 --> 00:30:15,811
and that nobody ever
put it together;
597
00:30:15,856 --> 00:30:19,316
nobody ever saw him
as the same person.
598
00:30:21,904 --> 00:30:26,034
He was like a chameleon.
599
00:30:26,075 --> 00:30:28,655
In addition to that,
he stole all these things
600
00:30:28,702 --> 00:30:31,622
from the political headquarters
that he was working in.
601
00:30:31,664 --> 00:30:34,214
He stole a typewriter;
he stole a printer;
602
00:30:34,250 --> 00:30:36,210
he stole paper;
he stole--
603
00:30:36,252 --> 00:30:38,422
everything he could
get his hands on, he stole.
604
00:30:38,462 --> 00:30:41,132
I was very put off
by what he was doing,
605
00:30:41,173 --> 00:30:45,183
and... I remember thinking,
606
00:30:45,219 --> 00:30:47,429
"I think I'm done
with this guy."
607
00:30:53,519 --> 00:30:55,059
I didn't
really know much about
608
00:30:55,104 --> 00:30:57,944
the political part
of his life,
609
00:30:57,982 --> 00:31:01,532
but as long as I'd known Ted,
he was stealing things.
610
00:31:01,569 --> 00:31:04,529
And he would get all dressed up
in his good clothes, and...
611
00:31:04,572 --> 00:31:06,032
which, he looked
so handsome, you know,
612
00:31:06,073 --> 00:31:07,243
suit and tie, and...
613
00:31:07,283 --> 00:31:09,373
he told me that there's
a tunnel under Northgate,
614
00:31:09,410 --> 00:31:11,290
which is a big mall here.
615
00:31:11,328 --> 00:31:13,288
And that he would
park in the tunnel
616
00:31:13,330 --> 00:31:16,000
under the Bon Marche,
at the time.
617
00:31:16,041 --> 00:31:17,791
And he'd just go get what
he wanted from the store
618
00:31:17,835 --> 00:31:20,665
and take it out to the
loading dock, to the car,
619
00:31:20,713 --> 00:31:24,343
and he was proud of
how brazen he could be
620
00:31:24,383 --> 00:31:26,303
and get away with it.
621
00:31:26,343 --> 00:31:30,723
So I'm running that through
my de-coder to think,
622
00:31:30,764 --> 00:31:32,684
"This is the way
we live now,
623
00:31:32,725 --> 00:31:35,555
"is we take things
if they're there."
624
00:31:35,603 --> 00:31:39,113
On a campus, everybody's
stealing the textbooks.
625
00:31:39,148 --> 00:31:42,028
I had read a book
by Abbie Hoffman
626
00:31:42,067 --> 00:31:44,987
that was titled,
"Steal This Book."
627
00:31:45,029 --> 00:31:46,319
And so I just thought,
628
00:31:46,363 --> 00:31:49,743
well, I was way behind
the curve as far as being cool.
629
00:31:52,036 --> 00:31:54,906
I did confront him
about it eventually,
630
00:31:54,955 --> 00:31:57,245
and I would tell him that I
thought it was just so foolish,
631
00:31:57,291 --> 00:31:59,171
because he wanted to make
his living as an attorney
632
00:31:59,209 --> 00:32:00,539
or as a politician,
633
00:32:00,586 --> 00:32:03,796
and this was not gonna
serve him well if he got caught.
634
00:32:03,839 --> 00:32:06,969
And his idea was that
he'd never get caught.
635
00:32:11,805 --> 00:32:14,305
By 1973,
the women's movement
636
00:32:14,350 --> 00:32:16,230
was making serious gains.
637
00:32:16,268 --> 00:32:20,438
I mean, we had attained rights
to autonomy over our bodies,
638
00:32:20,481 --> 00:32:23,941
including the autonomy to
be able to have an abortion.
639
00:32:31,283 --> 00:32:34,413
Women felt free
to date whom they choose,
640
00:32:34,453 --> 00:32:38,463
to found their own women's
liberation clubs on campus.
641
00:32:38,499 --> 00:32:39,999
We started getting
the inception of things
642
00:32:40,042 --> 00:32:43,342
like Women's Studies, even,
on those college campuses.
643
00:32:43,379 --> 00:32:45,509
And that gave us hope
644
00:32:45,547 --> 00:32:48,087
that the world was
really opening up for us.
645
00:32:56,266 --> 00:32:59,346
I was in Arizona,
at the time,
646
00:32:59,395 --> 00:33:02,475
and I was interested
in the northwest,
647
00:33:02,523 --> 00:33:06,243
and I saw a picture of
the Space Needle in a magazine.
648
00:33:06,276 --> 00:33:09,906
My adventurous spirit drove me
to investigate the school,
649
00:33:09,947 --> 00:33:12,527
and I decided to go.
650
00:33:17,579 --> 00:33:21,539
I think part of me was
drawn to the political activism,
651
00:33:21,583 --> 00:33:25,463
the social justice kinds of
causes that I heard about.
652
00:33:25,504 --> 00:33:28,974
I was certainly very
interested in racial equity
653
00:33:29,007 --> 00:33:30,427
and knowing more about that,
654
00:33:30,467 --> 00:33:32,467
and being in a more
diverse environment.
655
00:33:36,098 --> 00:33:38,388
I loved the
University of Washington.
656
00:33:38,434 --> 00:33:43,114
I came from a very small town,
and everything was possible.
657
00:33:43,147 --> 00:33:46,107
I mean, by 1973,
that fall,
658
00:33:46,150 --> 00:33:49,610
it wasn't our goal to meet
some man from a fraternity
659
00:33:49,653 --> 00:33:51,163
and get married;
it wasn't like that.
660
00:33:51,196 --> 00:33:53,986
I mean, truly,
everything was possible.
661
00:33:54,032 --> 00:33:56,662
In fact, when we went
through rush, Bobby Riggs,
662
00:33:56,702 --> 00:33:59,202
he had said that women
belonged in the kitchen,
663
00:33:59,246 --> 00:34:00,906
and they belonged
in the bedroom,
664
00:34:00,956 --> 00:34:03,166
and they belonged,
you know, holding babies.
665
00:34:03,208 --> 00:34:04,918
The male is king,
the male is supreme.
666
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,210
Girls play a nice game
of tennis, for girls.
667
00:34:08,630 --> 00:34:10,170
It's sometimes
difficult to remember
668
00:34:10,215 --> 00:34:12,835
that all this is
about a tennis game.
669
00:34:12,885 --> 00:34:14,925
For days, the two stayed
away from each other,
670
00:34:14,970 --> 00:34:16,890
away from confrontation.
671
00:34:16,930 --> 00:34:19,140
But finally, like
boxers at a weigh-in,
672
00:34:19,183 --> 00:34:23,193
they met for the pre-game
eyeball-to-eyeball challenge.
673
00:34:23,228 --> 00:34:25,058
In between tennis hustles,
674
00:34:25,105 --> 00:34:27,065
Riggs hustles pretty blondes.
675
00:34:27,107 --> 00:34:28,777
She says you're gonna
scrape me off the court
676
00:34:28,817 --> 00:34:30,817
at the AstroDome,
and I claim it's gonna be her
677
00:34:30,861 --> 00:34:31,991
they're gonna scrape off.
678
00:34:32,029 --> 00:34:33,659
And it is gonna be
the battle of the sexes.
679
00:34:33,697 --> 00:34:37,197
Don't anybody let you tell you
it's any different.
680
00:34:37,242 --> 00:34:40,872
But she's strong,
she's a very good athlete,
681
00:34:40,913 --> 00:34:43,713
and she smoked him.
682
00:34:43,749 --> 00:34:45,629
It was
a very big deal.
683
00:34:47,544 --> 00:34:49,304
It brought
women together,
684
00:34:49,338 --> 00:34:52,508
and that gets
reflected culturally.
685
00:34:54,843 --> 00:34:57,263
The Mary Tyler Moore
show was a very important show
686
00:34:57,304 --> 00:34:59,354
that resonated with women.
687
00:35:03,602 --> 00:35:06,942
It handled
an unmarried woman's life
688
00:35:06,980 --> 00:35:08,900
who moved to the big city
689
00:35:08,941 --> 00:35:11,611
to become a successful
career woman.
690
00:35:11,652 --> 00:35:13,492
So it had a great
sense of freedom.
691
00:35:13,529 --> 00:35:14,569
I'm on my own.
692
00:35:14,613 --> 00:35:16,953
I've got a little bit
of responsibility.
693
00:35:24,456 --> 00:35:27,416
If you look at
all of those popular
694
00:35:27,459 --> 00:35:30,169
television shows
in the 1970s,
695
00:35:30,212 --> 00:35:33,132
these are all women
who had the ability
696
00:35:33,173 --> 00:35:36,013
to take themselves
somewhere else.
697
00:35:36,051 --> 00:35:38,221
Being mobile was
an important part
698
00:35:38,262 --> 00:35:41,182
of their being
independent women,
699
00:35:41,223 --> 00:35:44,273
and this was a big change
in the culture.
700
00:35:44,309 --> 00:35:47,899
And this, of course, is the time
that the murders begin.
701
00:35:59,157 --> 00:36:01,697
My name
is Karen Epley.
702
00:36:01,743 --> 00:36:03,793
On January 4th, 1974,
703
00:36:03,829 --> 00:36:08,329
I was attacked
and left for dead.
704
00:36:08,375 --> 00:36:09,455
This is
the first time
705
00:36:09,501 --> 00:36:11,041
you've ever
spoken about this.
706
00:36:11,086 --> 00:36:14,296
You are, I believe,
Ted Bundy's first victim.
707
00:36:14,339 --> 00:36:17,469
I... I
believe so, yes.
708
00:36:17,509 --> 00:36:22,099
And one of the
only that survived.
709
00:36:22,139 --> 00:36:24,139
I was living in
the U District,
710
00:36:24,182 --> 00:36:26,142
studying political science.
711
00:36:26,184 --> 00:36:28,734
He came into my home,
712
00:36:28,770 --> 00:36:31,610
took a bed frame
off of my bed,
713
00:36:31,648 --> 00:36:34,148
and smashed my skull.
714
00:36:34,192 --> 00:36:40,162
Then he used probably
the same bed frame,
715
00:36:40,198 --> 00:36:44,408
smashed it into my vagina,
and into my bladder.
716
00:36:44,453 --> 00:36:50,423
My bladder was totally split,
so...
717
00:36:50,459 --> 00:36:52,959
It was horrible.
718
00:37:04,514 --> 00:37:07,984
And you
stayed that way in bed
719
00:37:08,018 --> 00:37:10,098
without anybody knowing
you'd been attacked,
720
00:37:10,145 --> 00:37:11,475
for hours.
721
00:37:11,521 --> 00:37:15,781
Right.
It was...
722
00:37:15,817 --> 00:37:20,027
18 hours, 20 hours.
723
00:37:20,072 --> 00:37:23,782
My roommate Bob thought
I was still sleeping.
724
00:37:23,825 --> 00:37:27,495
Later on he went down
and checked me again,
725
00:37:27,537 --> 00:37:29,327
and there he found the blood,
726
00:37:29,373 --> 00:37:33,213
and it was just horrible
for him to find me that way.
727
00:37:33,251 --> 00:37:38,721
And next thing I remember,
was waking up in the hospital
728
00:37:38,757 --> 00:37:41,797
and I thought, "-
this is really bad.
729
00:37:41,843 --> 00:37:43,513
"This is really bad."
730
00:37:43,553 --> 00:37:45,103
And so I asked my father.
731
00:37:45,138 --> 00:37:47,268
I said, "Dad,
what happened?"
732
00:37:47,307 --> 00:37:51,267
And he said, "Well, you had
a little bump in your head."
733
00:37:59,027 --> 00:38:01,697
I was permanently
brain-damaged.
734
00:38:01,738 --> 00:38:04,198
And he'd say, you know,
"That's a desk, or a chair."
735
00:38:04,241 --> 00:38:05,621
"Can you say those words?"
736
00:38:05,659 --> 00:38:09,039
And I just couldn't
get them out of my mouth.
737
00:38:09,079 --> 00:38:11,919
I've lost 50 percent
of my hearing,
738
00:38:11,957 --> 00:38:14,917
40 percent of my vision.
739
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:19,510
I have a terrible ringing
and roaring in my ears,
740
00:38:19,548 --> 00:38:21,468
just constant.
741
00:38:21,508 --> 00:38:24,588
I had epileptic fits.
742
00:38:24,636 --> 00:38:27,926
Luckily I was able
to overcome those.
743
00:38:27,973 --> 00:38:30,853
Why have you lived
under the radar for so long?
744
00:38:30,892 --> 00:38:33,602
Well, I...
I wanted to keep quiet.
745
00:38:33,645 --> 00:38:39,565
I wanted to have
my own life and privacy.
746
00:38:39,609 --> 00:38:42,279
Women like us,
747
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:43,610
women that have been attacked,
748
00:38:43,655 --> 00:38:44,735
women that have been raped,
749
00:38:44,781 --> 00:38:47,831
women that are... survivors,
750
00:38:47,868 --> 00:38:50,198
they keep their
secrets to themselves.
751
00:38:50,245 --> 00:38:51,995
I don't know why.
752
00:38:52,039 --> 00:38:55,709
We're taught to just
get on with it, so...
753
00:39:07,763 --> 00:39:09,643
Lynda lived here
in this green house
754
00:39:09,681 --> 00:39:11,101
in the university district,
755
00:39:11,141 --> 00:39:13,851
along with five other
university students.
756
00:39:13,894 --> 00:39:16,024
She was last seen here
Thursday evening,
757
00:39:16,063 --> 00:39:17,983
about 12 o'clock.
758
00:39:18,023 --> 00:39:21,113
Lynda was one of
the first people I met.
759
00:39:21,151 --> 00:39:23,741
Certainly the first person
I spent any time with.
760
00:39:23,779 --> 00:39:26,159
And I can't explain
the welcome embrace
761
00:39:26,198 --> 00:39:28,118
that I received from her.
762
00:39:28,158 --> 00:39:30,078
I think we both knew
within a day or two
763
00:39:30,118 --> 00:39:32,908
that we were going to
be very dear friends,
764
00:39:32,954 --> 00:39:36,174
and we were together
all the time
765
00:39:36,208 --> 00:39:37,958
and excited about
the world and life.
766
00:39:38,001 --> 00:39:41,001
We had late-night conversations
all of the time
767
00:39:41,046 --> 00:39:44,256
about what we wanted to be,
what we wanted to do.
768
00:39:44,299 --> 00:39:46,639
She was just vibrant.
769
00:39:46,676 --> 00:39:48,926
Just...
770
00:39:48,970 --> 00:39:52,100
There's not a room she walked
into that didn't light up.
771
00:39:52,140 --> 00:39:55,140
She was beautiful.
She was beautiful.
772
00:40:00,190 --> 00:40:02,440
It was Lynda's
week to cook.
773
00:40:02,484 --> 00:40:04,034
And so Friday night,
she planned to have
774
00:40:04,069 --> 00:40:05,569
her parents over for dinner
775
00:40:05,612 --> 00:40:07,952
and we were all
supposed to be there.
776
00:40:07,989 --> 00:40:10,119
That night, she wanted
to do something extra special,
777
00:40:10,158 --> 00:40:11,988
so I told her I would
help her with the meal,
778
00:40:12,035 --> 00:40:14,195
and so we were
planning it together.
779
00:40:14,246 --> 00:40:18,626
I had a bedroom on
the main level by the kitchen,
780
00:40:18,667 --> 00:40:21,127
and she stopped in
so that we could discuss
781
00:40:21,169 --> 00:40:24,419
everything we were going
to do the next evening
782
00:40:24,464 --> 00:40:25,514
for dinner.
783
00:40:25,549 --> 00:40:27,049
And she was very
chipper and cheerful,
784
00:40:27,092 --> 00:40:28,802
and she said, "Okay,
I'm going down to sleep,"
785
00:40:28,844 --> 00:40:31,104
because she had to
get up early.
786
00:40:31,138 --> 00:40:35,018
I came home, ran up
the steps into the house,
787
00:40:35,058 --> 00:40:37,188
and somebody was
walking up the street.
788
00:40:37,227 --> 00:40:39,307
I didn't look;
I just sort of went in
789
00:40:39,354 --> 00:40:40,694
and locked the front door.
790
00:40:40,730 --> 00:40:42,360
Our upper two roommates,
Ginger and Monica,
791
00:40:42,399 --> 00:40:44,609
were upstairs asleep.
792
00:40:44,651 --> 00:40:48,111
Joanne had a bedroom off
the kitchen on the main floor.
793
00:40:48,155 --> 00:40:49,775
Lynda and I shared
the basement
794
00:40:49,823 --> 00:40:51,783
and my window faced
the back of the house.
795
00:40:51,825 --> 00:40:54,695
And then her window faced
the other side of the house.
796
00:40:54,744 --> 00:40:57,874
So I came in, and I stayed up
probably about a half hour,
797
00:40:57,914 --> 00:40:59,214
or 20 minutes,
798
00:40:59,249 --> 00:41:03,879
and talked with Joanne
in the kitchen.
799
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,050
And then I went down to bed.
800
00:41:06,089 --> 00:41:09,089
And when I went down to bed,
I locked the side door.
801
00:41:09,134 --> 00:41:10,844
You'd go down four steps.
802
00:41:14,181 --> 00:41:15,471
When I got up
in the morning,
803
00:41:15,515 --> 00:41:17,845
the alarm was going
and it wasn't being shut off,
804
00:41:17,893 --> 00:41:19,273
and it went on,
and it went on,
805
00:41:19,311 --> 00:41:20,481
and on and on.
806
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,360
So I went in
and shut it off
807
00:41:22,397 --> 00:41:24,017
and her bed was made perfect.
808
00:41:24,065 --> 00:41:26,435
I mean, like she had
never slept in it.
809
00:41:26,484 --> 00:41:29,324
And then the phone rang as
I was getting ready to leave,
810
00:41:29,362 --> 00:41:31,362
and it was
the radio station.
811
00:41:31,406 --> 00:41:34,776
She did ski reports on the radio
to earn a little money
812
00:41:34,826 --> 00:41:37,036
in the mornings, and they
were asking where Lynda was.
813
00:41:37,078 --> 00:41:38,158
And I said,
"I don't know.
814
00:41:38,205 --> 00:41:40,825
"She doesn't appear
to have slept here."
815
00:41:40,874 --> 00:41:42,254
Her jeans were gone,
816
00:41:42,292 --> 00:41:43,792
her shoes were gone,
817
00:41:43,835 --> 00:41:46,165
but the door was unlocked.
818
00:41:46,213 --> 00:41:49,843
The side door, that I had
locked on my way down.
819
00:41:49,883 --> 00:41:51,433
It didn't make sense.
820
00:41:51,468 --> 00:41:53,928
Lynda read
the ski reports on her job.
821
00:41:53,970 --> 00:41:56,720
According to a roommate,
her alarm went off on time,
822
00:41:56,765 --> 00:41:59,095
Friday morning,
at 5:30.
823
00:41:59,142 --> 00:42:02,102
But her roommate says
Lynda wasn't in her room
824
00:42:02,145 --> 00:42:05,315
and she never
showed up for work.
825
00:42:05,357 --> 00:42:07,977
Is she prone to
leave the house at night?
826
00:42:08,026 --> 00:42:09,276
No.
827
00:42:09,319 --> 00:42:11,529
She has been known to
take walks now and then,
828
00:42:11,571 --> 00:42:15,121
but only when
someone is with her.
829
00:42:15,158 --> 00:42:17,908
What I remember
is having to be very insistent
830
00:42:17,953 --> 00:42:20,213
that something was wrong.
831
00:42:20,247 --> 00:42:21,497
That the police were,
832
00:42:21,539 --> 00:42:23,629
"Well, maybe she took off
with a boyfriend,"
833
00:42:23,667 --> 00:42:27,247
or "Maybe she's
having an abortion,"
834
00:42:27,295 --> 00:42:28,415
I think they said,
835
00:42:28,463 --> 00:42:31,013
which just absolutely
made me crazy,
836
00:42:31,049 --> 00:42:34,389
because I knew
that was not true.
837
00:42:34,427 --> 00:42:37,347
At some point,
another officer came,
838
00:42:37,389 --> 00:42:40,349
and he wanted to see
where her room was.
839
00:42:40,392 --> 00:42:42,852
So we went down there
and he looked around,
840
00:42:42,894 --> 00:42:45,614
and her room was
completely in order.
841
00:42:45,647 --> 00:42:50,187
And he pulled the bedsheet back
and we saw the blood,
842
00:42:50,235 --> 00:42:52,315
so I said, "Well, maybe
she had a nose bleed."
843
00:42:52,362 --> 00:42:56,122
You just want to go
to a rational place.
844
00:42:56,157 --> 00:42:59,287
But it was too much blood.
845
00:42:59,327 --> 00:43:01,077
So then he looked
in the closet
846
00:43:01,121 --> 00:43:05,331
and he pulled out a nightgown
that had blood on it as well.
847
00:43:05,375 --> 00:43:08,245
Um, so then of course,
it flashes through your mind
848
00:43:08,295 --> 00:43:13,675
that someone must have
dressed her and made the bed,
849
00:43:13,717 --> 00:43:17,427
and was in the room
for a while.
850
00:43:17,470 --> 00:43:22,810
And we just didn't have
any real, deep sense yet
851
00:43:22,851 --> 00:43:26,691
of the horror of it.
852
00:43:36,573 --> 00:43:39,913
My sister was
the person who would sort of
853
00:43:39,951 --> 00:43:43,461
walk into a room
and light it up.
854
00:43:43,496 --> 00:43:48,166
She was an entertainer,
a performer.
855
00:43:48,209 --> 00:43:51,959
Beautiful, you know,
young woman.
856
00:43:55,967 --> 00:43:57,387
She was
my older sister.
857
00:43:57,427 --> 00:43:58,677
She was a mentor.
858
00:43:58,720 --> 00:44:01,310
She was someone
I looked up to.
859
00:44:01,348 --> 00:44:03,478
We did a lot of
vacations together.
860
00:44:03,516 --> 00:44:05,636
We would go to the ocean.
861
00:44:05,685 --> 00:44:08,555
My parents had a small boat
862
00:44:08,605 --> 00:44:10,935
that the five of us and our dog
would go out on,
863
00:44:10,982 --> 00:44:13,652
and she taught me
to water-ski,
864
00:44:13,693 --> 00:44:17,323
and she would sing
all the time.
865
00:44:17,364 --> 00:44:19,574
Walk around the house singing.
866
00:44:19,616 --> 00:44:21,736
And when she would
sing a song,
867
00:44:21,785 --> 00:44:26,115
it wasn't like she...
she'd just sing it once.
868
00:44:26,164 --> 00:44:28,544
You'd hear it over
and over and over again.
869
00:44:28,583 --> 00:44:30,213
She's in the bathroom
getting ready.
870
00:44:30,251 --> 00:44:31,631
She's walking down the hall.
871
00:44:31,669 --> 00:44:34,919
She's setting the table.
872
00:45:06,579 --> 00:45:10,459
You know, she was...
873
00:45:10,500 --> 00:45:13,420
She was the star.
874
00:45:29,769 --> 00:45:32,769
It was early
in 1974 when Ted started
875
00:45:32,814 --> 00:45:35,194
acting differently towards me,
876
00:45:35,233 --> 00:45:37,283
where we weren't spending
as much time together
877
00:45:37,318 --> 00:45:39,858
as we had been.
878
00:45:39,904 --> 00:45:41,414
And he'd just like
drop out of my life
879
00:45:41,448 --> 00:45:43,578
for three days or whatever,
880
00:45:43,616 --> 00:45:46,076
and God, I'd go back over
our last conversation like,
881
00:45:46,119 --> 00:45:49,039
"What did I say?
What did I do?"
882
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:53,000
This was a pattern that always
made me feel like I was...
883
00:45:53,042 --> 00:45:54,342
a shrew.
884
00:45:54,377 --> 00:45:58,007
When we'd have a conflict,
I would be really upset
885
00:45:58,047 --> 00:45:59,547
and raising my voice,
886
00:45:59,591 --> 00:46:02,681
and he would just
get calmer and calmer.
887
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:04,889
And it was just...
888
00:46:04,929 --> 00:46:07,349
It was crazy-making.
889
00:46:07,390 --> 00:46:09,020
He and my mom
were not as close
890
00:46:09,058 --> 00:46:10,228
as they had been.
891
00:46:10,268 --> 00:46:12,648
They didn't spend as much
time as they had spent.
892
00:46:12,687 --> 00:46:14,857
He didn't come over
for a really long time
893
00:46:14,898 --> 00:46:18,398
and I thought he might not
come back at all, and I...
894
00:46:18,443 --> 00:46:21,453
I was concerned that he wasn't
gonna come back at all.
895
00:46:23,948 --> 00:46:25,908
My mom was
worried all the time,
896
00:46:25,950 --> 00:46:31,250
and she was drinking
more at that time.
897
00:46:31,289 --> 00:46:34,459
She felt that maybe
he was seeing someone else,
898
00:46:34,501 --> 00:46:37,801
and I do remember hearing
those conversations.
899
00:46:37,837 --> 00:46:41,837
I didn't understand what
was happening there, at all.
900
00:46:41,883 --> 00:46:43,893
But I knew it wasn't
like it had been.
901
00:46:46,054 --> 00:46:47,354
What I knew of
902
00:46:47,388 --> 00:46:49,808
was men that cheat
on their partners,
903
00:46:49,849 --> 00:46:51,939
and so that's what
I thought was going on.
904
00:46:51,976 --> 00:46:55,096
That I'd become boring,
that I was predictable,
905
00:46:55,146 --> 00:46:57,476
and that I needed
to be somebody else.
906
00:46:57,524 --> 00:46:58,904
Then he'd pop back in
907
00:46:58,942 --> 00:47:00,822
and it was like
nothing ever happened.
908
00:47:02,820 --> 00:47:04,280
One day
when I came home
909
00:47:04,322 --> 00:47:05,822
and I found him
inside my apartment,
910
00:47:05,865 --> 00:47:07,325
which he didn't have a key,
911
00:47:07,367 --> 00:47:10,037
so he had the landlord
let him in...
912
00:47:10,078 --> 00:47:12,408
He was really upset
when I got home.
913
00:47:12,455 --> 00:47:15,875
He laid down with his head
on my lap and just sobbed.
914
00:47:15,917 --> 00:47:19,457
He told me that he had
to tell me something
915
00:47:19,504 --> 00:47:20,844
that was important
916
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,550
and that I would
probably be shocked about.
917
00:47:23,591 --> 00:47:24,841
But of course,
I had no idea
918
00:47:24,884 --> 00:47:27,354
what he was really fighting
against within himself.
918
00:47:28,305 --> 00:48:28,775
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