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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:08,208 --> 00:00:11,177 [forlorn music] 2 00:00:11,211 --> 00:00:19,209 ? ? 3 00:00:34,834 --> 00:00:37,803 [forlorn music intensifies] 4 00:00:37,837 --> 00:00:45,835 ? ? 5 00:00:54,320 --> 00:01:02,318 ? ? 6 00:01:08,101 --> 00:01:11,093 [crowd chattering indistinctly] 7 00:01:13,773 --> 00:01:18,836 ? ? 8 00:01:18,878 --> 00:01:19,867 [whistle blows] 9 00:01:19,913 --> 00:01:21,073 - Welcome to ACT UP! 10 00:01:21,114 --> 00:01:24,208 We are the AlDS Coalition to Unleash Power, 11 00:01:24,250 --> 00:01:26,878 a diverse, nonpartisan group of individuals 12 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:28,217 united in anger 13 00:01:28,254 --> 00:01:30,552 and committed to direct action to... 14 00:01:30,590 --> 00:01:32,785 crowd: End the AlDS crisis! 15 00:01:32,826 --> 00:01:36,227 - Less than 1 2 hours from now, 16 00:01:36,262 --> 00:01:40,221 we are going to be taking over city hall! 17 00:01:40,266 --> 00:01:41,733 [applause] all: Act up! 18 00:01:41,768 --> 00:01:44,100 Fight back! Fight AlDS! 19 00:01:44,137 --> 00:01:45,104 - Yes? 20 00:01:45,138 --> 00:01:46,366 - Mr. Mayor, in campaigning 21 00:01:46,406 --> 00:01:48,135 for the lesbian and gay vote in an election year, 22 00:01:48,174 --> 00:01:49,971 a bit of historical context is necessary 23 00:01:50,009 --> 00:01:52,239 in dealing with the AlDS crisis in New York City. 24 00:01:52,278 --> 00:01:54,746 It wasn't until 1 983 that you met with people 25 00:01:54,781 --> 00:01:56,146 to deal with the AlDS crisis. 26 00:01:56,182 --> 00:01:57,706 How do you respond to these criticisms? 27 00:01:57,750 --> 00:01:59,081 - That is a falsehood. 28 00:01:59,119 --> 00:02:01,587 - Please, anybody who's thinking about being arrested, 29 00:02:01,621 --> 00:02:03,248 fill out a support sheet. 30 00:02:03,289 --> 00:02:04,916 Make sure that your support person 31 00:02:04,958 --> 00:02:07,256 knows who you are and what group you're in. 32 00:02:07,293 --> 00:02:08,726 Yeah? 33 00:02:08,761 --> 00:02:10,752 - If we end up in the Tombs, 34 00:02:10,797 --> 00:02:13,823 is there, like, a queer tank there, 35 00:02:13,867 --> 00:02:16,995 and would you recommend that we ask to be there? 36 00:02:17,036 --> 00:02:19,266 - There is a homo-tank, and I've been there. 37 00:02:19,305 --> 00:02:21,102 And it's better than the straight tank, 38 00:02:21,141 --> 00:02:22,108 Iet me tell you. 39 00:02:22,142 --> 00:02:23,404 - Who else? Yes? 40 00:02:23,443 --> 00:02:25,604 - In the past, you've described ACT UP as fascist. 41 00:02:25,645 --> 00:02:26,771 Yet in the press release, 42 00:02:26,813 --> 00:02:28,610 you called them "concerned citizens," 43 00:02:28,648 --> 00:02:30,616 and I was wondering what changed your mind. 44 00:02:30,650 --> 00:02:34,279 - I don't think that you can't use both. 45 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:37,619 Fascists can be concerned citizens. 46 00:02:37,657 --> 00:02:41,286 And I don't believe they are fascists. 47 00:02:41,327 --> 00:02:43,818 I think they have used a fascist tactic. 48 00:02:43,863 --> 00:02:45,797 - Let us celebrate together tonight 49 00:02:45,832 --> 00:02:48,130 the end of the last day 50 00:02:48,168 --> 00:02:51,035 on which Ed Koch can tell himself 51 00:02:51,070 --> 00:02:52,128 that the communities 52 00:02:52,172 --> 00:02:54,299 which are being decimated by this epidemic 53 00:02:54,340 --> 00:02:57,639 are so weak and so divided among themselves, 54 00:02:57,677 --> 00:03:00,646 that he can keep serving us this kind of bullshit. 55 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:03,649 Tomorrow morning, he will begin to learn the truth! 56 00:03:03,683 --> 00:03:05,150 [cheers and applause] 57 00:03:05,185 --> 00:03:07,153 all: Act up, stand tall, 58 00:03:07,187 --> 00:03:09,485 tomorrow morning at city hall! 59 00:03:09,522 --> 00:03:11,319 Act up, stand tall, 60 00:03:11,357 --> 00:03:13,655 tomorrow morning at city hall! 61 00:03:13,693 --> 00:03:15,490 Act up, stand tall, 62 00:03:15,528 --> 00:03:17,655 tomorrow morning at city hall! 63 00:03:17,697 --> 00:03:18,686 Act up, stand tall... 64 00:03:18,731 --> 00:03:21,700 [foreboding music] 65 00:03:21,734 --> 00:03:29,732 ? ? 66 00:03:43,122 --> 00:03:52,030 ? ? 67 00:03:52,065 --> 00:03:54,033 - We're talking to Jim Eigo 68 00:03:54,067 --> 00:03:57,036 from the Treatment lssues Committee in ACT UP. 69 00:03:57,070 --> 00:03:58,935 Jim, what specific treatment issues 70 00:03:58,972 --> 00:04:01,099 are being brought into this demonstration this week? 71 00:04:01,140 --> 00:04:04,371 - The municipal hospitals are totally falling apart. 72 00:04:04,410 --> 00:04:05,536 More than half the people 73 00:04:05,578 --> 00:04:07,546 who get diagnosed with AlDS today 74 00:04:07,580 --> 00:04:10,572 get diagnosed in the emergency rooms of our city. 75 00:04:10,617 --> 00:04:11,777 You're going to find yourself 76 00:04:11,818 --> 00:04:13,718 waiting four days in an emergency room 77 00:04:13,753 --> 00:04:16,051 before you get a bed. 78 00:04:16,089 --> 00:04:17,283 - Pretty scared, 79 00:04:17,323 --> 00:04:20,121 but being HlV-positive, 80 00:04:20,159 --> 00:04:21,649 I don't have much choice in the matter. 81 00:04:21,694 --> 00:04:23,059 - I just love all these people, 82 00:04:23,096 --> 00:04:25,223 and I think that what we're doing is really right. 83 00:04:25,265 --> 00:04:28,723 And, I mean, listen to this, and look at all the people. 84 00:04:28,768 --> 00:04:30,235 It's just really wonderful, 85 00:04:30,270 --> 00:04:32,238 and it's worth putting yourself on the line for. 86 00:04:32,272 --> 00:04:33,569 - There is no accurate diagnosis. 87 00:04:33,606 --> 00:04:35,904 There are incentives in the city hospitals 88 00:04:35,942 --> 00:04:38,410 not to diagnose people with AlDS. 89 00:04:38,444 --> 00:04:40,912 And therefore, people don't get treated. 90 00:04:40,947 --> 00:04:42,915 We are angry at the way this city 91 00:04:42,949 --> 00:04:44,416 has handled this crisis, 92 00:04:44,450 --> 00:04:47,749 and we demand that Ed Koch exert leadership 93 00:04:47,787 --> 00:04:50,085 and declare a state of emergency. 94 00:04:50,123 --> 00:04:52,250 [cheering] 95 00:04:52,292 --> 00:04:53,691 - Go in the street now or wait; 96 00:04:53,726 --> 00:04:55,091 those are the options. 97 00:04:55,128 --> 00:04:57,096 One, he says go. 98 00:04:57,130 --> 00:04:58,097 - Two now. 99 00:04:58,131 --> 00:04:59,598 - Says "now." Three. 100 00:04:59,632 --> 00:05:01,532 Tom? "Go now," Tom says. 101 00:05:01,567 --> 00:05:03,432 - We're standing here with Larry Kramer. 102 00:05:03,469 --> 00:05:06,029 What is ACT UP trying to say today to Ed Koch? 103 00:05:06,072 --> 00:05:07,937 - We're sending a message to public officials, 104 00:05:07,974 --> 00:05:09,601 to closeted public officials, 105 00:05:09,642 --> 00:05:11,610 that we won't be shat on anymore 106 00:05:11,644 --> 00:05:13,305 and obviously all the AlDS issues. 107 00:05:13,346 --> 00:05:15,746 - I would love to see, like, more cameras or something, 108 00:05:15,782 --> 00:05:17,647 you know, for our own protection. 109 00:05:17,684 --> 00:05:18,878 - Did everyone hear his concern? 110 00:05:18,918 --> 00:05:19,942 - People die every day. 111 00:05:19,986 --> 00:05:21,715 Friends get sick every day. 112 00:05:21,754 --> 00:05:23,619 I don't����� It's like being in the trenches. 113 00:05:23,656 --> 00:05:25,556 There's such anger in the community, 114 00:05:25,591 --> 00:05:27,616 and it is coalescing in a way 115 00:05:27,660 --> 00:05:29,628 that has never been done before. 116 00:05:29,662 --> 00:05:31,630 - Okay, which way do we face, girlfriends, 117 00:05:31,664 --> 00:05:35,566 this way or that way? 118 00:05:35,601 --> 00:05:38,365 [cheers and applause] 119 00:05:38,404 --> 00:05:39,632 [car horns blaring] 120 00:05:39,672 --> 00:05:41,469 all: Health care is a right. 121 00:05:41,507 --> 00:05:42,804 Health care is a right! 122 00:05:42,842 --> 00:05:44,969 Health care is a right. 123 00:05:45,011 --> 00:05:46,638 Health care is a right! 124 00:05:46,679 --> 00:05:48,476 Health care is a right. 125 00:05:48,514 --> 00:05:49,640 Health care is a right! 126 00:05:49,682 --> 00:05:50,649 Pump up the budget! 127 00:05:50,683 --> 00:05:52,150 Health care is a right. 128 00:05:52,185 --> 00:05:53,277 Health care is a right! 129 00:05:53,319 --> 00:05:55,651 - You are currently in violation of the law 130 00:05:55,688 --> 00:05:58,851 by obstructing vehicular and pedestrian traffic. 131 00:05:58,891 --> 00:06:01,519 You have the option of leaving at this time, otherwise... 132 00:06:01,561 --> 00:06:03,222 [crowd shouting indistinctly] 133 00:06:03,262 --> 00:06:04,251 - Act up! 134 00:06:04,297 --> 00:06:05,389 - Never be silent again! 135 00:06:05,431 --> 00:06:07,661 all: Fight AlDS! Act up! 136 00:06:07,700 --> 00:06:10,100 Fight back! Fight AlDS! 137 00:06:10,136 --> 00:06:12,127 Act up! Fight back! 138 00:06:12,171 --> 00:06:13,900 [indistinct shouting] 139 00:06:13,940 --> 00:06:14,964 [whistle blows] 140 00:06:15,007 --> 00:06:16,497 - Fight back! Fight AlDS! 141 00:06:16,542 --> 00:06:19,534 [crowd clamoring] 142 00:06:20,913 --> 00:06:22,244 - Act up! 143 00:06:24,517 --> 00:06:28,749 [siren wailing] 144 00:06:28,788 --> 00:06:30,915 all: Fight back! Fight AlDS! 145 00:06:30,957 --> 00:06:32,515 Stand up! Fight back! 146 00:06:32,558 --> 00:06:34,355 - This man is a personal friend! 147 00:06:34,394 --> 00:06:36,862 Be careful! 148 00:06:36,896 --> 00:06:38,887 - They're arresting journalists now! 149 00:06:40,833 --> 00:06:42,698 - Act up! 150 00:06:42,735 --> 00:06:45,033 Act up! Act up! 151 00:06:45,071 --> 00:06:47,869 [all shouting indistinctly] 152 00:06:47,907 --> 00:06:49,374 - Act up! Fight AlDS! 153 00:06:49,409 --> 00:06:50,398 Pray for the dead! 154 00:06:50,443 --> 00:06:53,435 [all clamoring] 155 00:06:55,982 --> 00:06:57,643 - Fight back! Fight AlDS! 156 00:06:57,683 --> 00:07:00,652 [dramatic percussive music] 157 00:07:00,686 --> 00:07:08,684 ? ? 158 00:07:16,102 --> 00:07:18,229 - I guess I'm feeling pretty hopeless at the moment. 159 00:07:18,271 --> 00:07:21,900 I think, like, the biggest question that I'm facing now 160 00:07:21,941 --> 00:07:23,875 is how to 161 00:07:23,910 --> 00:07:28,973 remain hopeful in the face of increasing loss. 162 00:07:29,015 --> 00:07:30,414 - I don't know. 163 00:07:30,450 --> 00:07:35,080 Maybe it sounds really corny, but l... 164 00:07:35,121 --> 00:07:39,649 As difficult as the time is for us, 165 00:07:39,692 --> 00:07:43,093 I����l like being alive. 166 00:07:43,129 --> 00:07:45,927 And I love my friends, 167 00:07:45,965 --> 00:07:48,433 and I love my family. 168 00:07:48,468 --> 00:07:50,095 I love the people around me. 169 00:07:50,136 --> 00:07:51,763 - I'm going to die from this. 170 00:07:51,804 --> 00:07:52,930 This isn't going to be cured 171 00:07:52,972 --> 00:07:57,102 for years and years and years. 172 00:07:57,143 --> 00:07:58,371 - Doctor's office. 173 00:07:58,411 --> 00:08:00,174 - Hi, it's Peter Staley. 174 00:08:00,213 --> 00:08:02,545 It's like living in a war. 175 00:08:02,582 --> 00:08:05,949 All around me, friends are dropping dead, 176 00:08:05,985 --> 00:08:08,044 and you're scared for your own life 177 00:08:08,087 --> 00:08:09,384 all at the same time. 178 00:08:09,422 --> 00:08:11,947 [crowd murmuring indistinctly] 179 00:08:11,991 --> 00:08:15,290 I was diagnosed with AlDS-related complex 180 00:08:15,328 --> 00:08:19,788 while I was working as a bond trader on Wall Street. 181 00:08:19,832 --> 00:08:21,390 I had night sweats. 182 00:08:21,434 --> 00:08:26,303 I began to get dry, patchy, scaly, itchy skin on my face. 183 00:08:26,339 --> 00:08:28,466 And I would get sick constantly. 184 00:08:28,508 --> 00:08:30,840 Colds would lay me up for weeks. 185 00:08:32,512 --> 00:08:36,642 I started to look around in desperation 186 00:08:36,682 --> 00:08:41,642 for ways that I could find treatments 187 00:08:41,687 --> 00:08:45,316 to help save my life. 188 00:08:45,358 --> 00:08:47,155 Um... 189 00:08:47,193 --> 00:08:50,321 And there was nothing coming out of our government's efforts, 190 00:08:50,363 --> 00:08:52,058 I quickly realized. 191 00:08:57,603 --> 00:08:58,729 Everything I read 192 00:08:58,771 --> 00:09:01,001 said I had about two years to live, 193 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:02,337 at most. 194 00:09:02,375 --> 00:09:03,342 - What do we want? 195 00:09:03,376 --> 00:09:04,343 crowd: A cure! 196 00:09:04,377 --> 00:09:05,674 - When do we want it? 197 00:09:05,711 --> 00:09:06,678 crowd: Now! 198 00:09:06,712 --> 00:09:07,838 - What do we want? 199 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:08,847 crowd: A cure! 200 00:09:08,881 --> 00:09:10,007 - When do we want it? 201 00:09:10,049 --> 00:09:11,277 crowd: Now! 202 00:09:11,317 --> 00:09:12,284 - What do we want? 203 00:09:12,318 --> 00:09:13,285 crowd: A cure! 204 00:09:13,319 --> 00:09:14,286 - When do we want it? 205 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:15,309 crowd: Now! 206 00:09:15,354 --> 00:09:16,480 - I was on my way to work, 207 00:09:16,522 --> 00:09:20,356 and I got handed a flyer about ACT UP and AlDS. 208 00:09:20,393 --> 00:09:23,191 My mentor says, "lf you ask me, 209 00:09:23,229 --> 00:09:24,696 "l think they all deserve to die 210 00:09:24,730 --> 00:09:26,857 because they took it up the butt." 211 00:09:26,899 --> 00:09:28,867 I was deeply closeted, 212 00:09:28,901 --> 00:09:31,563 and I had to just stew about it for the rest of the day. 213 00:09:35,074 --> 00:09:37,542 I got myself to the very next ACT UP meeting. 214 00:09:37,577 --> 00:09:39,875 They could just tap into that immediate anger 215 00:09:39,912 --> 00:09:41,072 and get stuff done. 216 00:09:47,486 --> 00:09:50,046 We will not leave until an administrator meets with us 217 00:09:50,089 --> 00:09:52,057 and tells us that St. Vincent's 218 00:09:52,091 --> 00:09:54,889 is willing to make a public statement 219 00:09:54,927 --> 00:09:57,054 condemning gay and lesbian violence. 220 00:09:57,096 --> 00:10:00,088 [cheers and applause] 221 00:10:03,436 --> 00:10:05,267 All those in favor? 222 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:09,237 All those opposed? 223 00:10:12,612 --> 00:10:13,738 - They're coming! 224 00:10:13,779 --> 00:10:15,246 You see them right there. 225 00:10:15,281 --> 00:10:16,407 You've heard about ACT UP. 226 00:10:16,449 --> 00:10:17,916 You've seen our flyers. 227 00:10:17,950 --> 00:10:19,747 The kiss-in happens tonight. 228 00:10:19,785 --> 00:10:21,753 Act up! Fight back! 229 00:10:21,787 --> 00:10:23,755 Make love! Act up! 230 00:10:23,789 --> 00:10:24,949 Whoo, whoo! 231 00:10:27,393 --> 00:10:28,758 - I'll deal with the cameras����� 232 00:10:28,794 --> 00:10:31,024 - Are you the security guard that was beating people up? 233 00:10:31,063 --> 00:10:32,394 - Out with the cameras. 234 00:10:32,431 --> 00:10:35,423 [crowd chattering indistinctly] 235 00:10:40,272 --> 00:10:42,934 - Members of the mainstream media were thrown out, 236 00:10:42,975 --> 00:10:44,442 as we were earlier on, 237 00:10:44,477 --> 00:10:46,604 but Steve Zabel and l came back in, 238 00:10:46,646 --> 00:10:48,580 and we're bringing you this exclusive footage. 239 00:10:48,614 --> 00:10:50,844 - Don't destroy property! You're destroying property. 240 00:10:50,883 --> 00:10:52,851 - Well, actually you damaged some human property last week. 241 00:10:52,885 --> 00:10:53,909 - You damaged people. 242 00:10:53,953 --> 00:10:55,250 - You will not beat up on faggots, 243 00:10:55,287 --> 00:10:56,811 and you will not beat up on lesbians 244 00:10:56,856 --> 00:11:00,724 in hospitals in our own communities. 245 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:02,125 - Two gay women were beaten up, 246 00:11:02,161 --> 00:11:03,560 and when her lover came to respond���� 247 00:11:03,596 --> 00:11:04,790 you know the story. 248 00:11:04,830 --> 00:11:06,730 And another story was when two gay guys came here, 249 00:11:06,766 --> 00:11:08,165 and one was sick with AlDS. 250 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,395 The security guard told him to, "Get the fuck out of here" 251 00:11:10,436 --> 00:11:11,733 and called him "faggot." 252 00:11:11,771 --> 00:11:12,897 I think if you're gonna work, 253 00:11:12,938 --> 00:11:14,303 especially in Greenwich Village, 254 00:11:14,340 --> 00:11:16,171 you should have some sensitivity training, 255 00:11:16,208 --> 00:11:17,436 'cause we're not gonna have it. 256 00:11:17,476 --> 00:11:18,966 - I'm willing to meet with three people 257 00:11:19,011 --> 00:11:20,035 if the rest of you leave. 258 00:11:20,079 --> 00:11:21,637 [crowd chattering indistinctly] 259 00:11:21,681 --> 00:11:23,308 - Okay, one at a time. One at a time. 260 00:11:23,349 --> 00:11:24,475 - It's unclear how to play it. 261 00:11:24,517 --> 00:11:25,779 My own instinct would be to say, 262 00:11:25,818 --> 00:11:27,115 "We'll be glad to meet with you. 263 00:11:27,153 --> 00:11:29,280 And when the meeting's over, we'll leave." 264 00:11:29,321 --> 00:11:31,312 Not to leave before the meeting takes place. 265 00:11:31,357 --> 00:11:32,585 - Gregg? 266 00:11:32,625 --> 00:11:34,183 - We've shown the kind of power we can have 267 00:11:34,226 --> 00:11:35,989 by immediate action, by sticking together, 268 00:11:36,028 --> 00:11:37,461 by reaching a consensus together. 269 00:11:37,496 --> 00:11:39,760 We should take this in steps, and we should be coolheaded. 270 00:11:39,799 --> 00:11:41,767 - I'm gonna take a straw poll, okay? 271 00:11:41,801 --> 00:11:44,065 And we agreed to leave the waiting room 272 00:11:44,103 --> 00:11:47,004 while he met with three of our representatives���� 273 00:11:47,039 --> 00:11:48,438 Gregg, Jerry, and Neil���� 274 00:11:48,474 --> 00:11:50,442 in that public space right there. 275 00:11:50,476 --> 00:11:52,444 And then we would stick around out here 276 00:11:52,478 --> 00:11:55,504 and wait to see what the outcome was. 277 00:11:55,548 --> 00:11:57,846 - So I said, "Enough of this. 278 00:11:57,883 --> 00:11:59,350 This job is gonna kill me." 279 00:11:59,385 --> 00:12:01,683 So I went on disability 280 00:12:01,721 --> 00:12:06,681 and decided to become a full-time AlDS activist. 281 00:12:27,346 --> 00:12:29,041 - In the beginning, 282 00:12:29,081 --> 00:12:30,446 what drugs did we have? 283 00:12:30,483 --> 00:12:32,280 We had nothing. 284 00:12:32,318 --> 00:12:35,719 And the pneumonia could come on like that 285 00:12:35,755 --> 00:12:36,722 and be gone, 286 00:12:36,756 --> 00:12:39,884 and a person is dead. 287 00:12:39,925 --> 00:12:42,052 The skin lesions, 288 00:12:42,094 --> 00:12:45,393 the Kaposi's sarcoma was... 289 00:12:45,431 --> 00:12:48,400 People would be coming in with a purple spot. 290 00:12:48,434 --> 00:12:50,061 Everybody was coming in with, 291 00:12:50,102 --> 00:12:51,126 "What is this spot? 292 00:12:51,170 --> 00:12:52,501 What is that spot?" 293 00:12:52,538 --> 00:12:55,405 You'd have some guys come in with KS on their face, 294 00:12:55,441 --> 00:12:57,238 and they'd be putting makeup on their face. 295 00:12:57,276 --> 00:13:01,406 And they'd be���� it was����� 296 00:13:01,447 --> 00:13:03,244 And they were lucky 297 00:13:03,282 --> 00:13:04,909 if it just stayed in the skin, 298 00:13:04,950 --> 00:13:06,417 if it didn't go into their lungs. 299 00:13:06,452 --> 00:13:07,885 And then if it went into their lungs, 300 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:11,151 chemo didn't work, and then they were gone. 301 00:13:11,190 --> 00:13:13,988 You were grasping at straws for everything, 302 00:13:14,026 --> 00:13:18,486 because these are young, vibrant people. 303 00:13:18,531 --> 00:13:20,897 And all of a sudden, they're being snatched. 304 00:13:22,635 --> 00:13:25,297 I think everything has to be put in perspective. 305 00:14:02,007 --> 00:14:02,974 - Larry? - Hello. 306 00:14:03,008 --> 00:14:04,066 - [chuckles] 307 00:14:13,252 --> 00:14:15,243 - lris Long is lifesaving. 308 00:14:17,156 --> 00:14:18,987 If you can't hear in the back and you want to, 309 00:14:19,024 --> 00:14:20,924 just shout it out, please. 310 00:14:25,030 --> 00:14:26,327 - This is a report 311 00:14:26,365 --> 00:14:29,994 from the American Society of Microbiology, 312 00:14:30,035 --> 00:14:33,835 a conference I went to at the end of May. 313 00:14:33,873 --> 00:14:35,670 - Quiet! 314 00:14:35,708 --> 00:14:38,336 - There were many infections talked about����� 315 00:14:38,377 --> 00:14:41,005 including AlDS���� at this conference, 316 00:14:41,046 --> 00:14:45,005 and it was overwhelming to know how many pathogens, 317 00:14:45,050 --> 00:14:49,680 bacteria, fungus, 318 00:14:49,722 --> 00:14:52,850 protozoas, and viruses that are out there 319 00:14:52,892 --> 00:14:56,191 that can really, uh... 320 00:14:56,228 --> 00:14:57,889 make you very sick. 321 00:15:00,232 --> 00:15:01,699 - One day, this woman just showed up, 322 00:15:01,734 --> 00:15:05,693 this housewife, who had been a scientist and still was, 323 00:15:05,738 --> 00:15:08,866 and said, "You guys don't know diddly about what this is. 324 00:15:08,908 --> 00:15:13,038 "And anybody who wants to learn about the system, 325 00:15:13,078 --> 00:15:14,375 "how it works, 326 00:15:14,413 --> 00:15:17,041 "how grants are made, how the science works, 327 00:15:17,082 --> 00:15:18,549 "how everything works, 328 00:15:18,584 --> 00:15:19,710 "how the NlH works, 329 00:15:19,752 --> 00:15:21,219 "how the FDA works, 330 00:15:21,253 --> 00:15:22,550 "how you can deal with 331 00:15:22,588 --> 00:15:24,886 "all this enormous amount of material, 332 00:15:24,924 --> 00:15:26,221 I'll teach you." 333 00:15:26,258 --> 00:15:29,056 - There should be much more funding than there is 334 00:15:29,094 --> 00:15:30,891 for infectious diseases. 335 00:15:30,930 --> 00:15:33,057 - lris was not gay, 336 00:15:33,098 --> 00:15:35,396 but she could not see, 337 00:15:35,434 --> 00:15:39,063 with what was going on around her and what she knew, 338 00:15:39,104 --> 00:15:42,369 not reaching out to the affected communities of AlDS. 339 00:15:43,776 --> 00:15:46,244 - I waited and went up to lris afterwards 340 00:15:46,278 --> 00:15:49,736 and said, "I'm interested in what you were saying. 341 00:15:49,782 --> 00:15:52,250 "I'd like to know more. I'd like to help." 342 00:15:52,284 --> 00:15:54,752 - And a few people joined her, 343 00:15:54,787 --> 00:15:56,584 and that became a bigger and bigger group, 344 00:15:56,622 --> 00:16:00,422 and that became the Treatment and Data Committee: T&D. 345 00:16:00,459 --> 00:16:02,427 - They're still getting a hell of a lot more money 346 00:16:02,461 --> 00:16:04,588 than actually getting those treatments to anybody. 347 00:16:04,630 --> 00:16:06,097 It was kind of a dorky activity 348 00:16:06,131 --> 00:16:08,759 for a bunch of East Village hipsters and artists 349 00:16:08,801 --> 00:16:12,498 to sit around reading medical journal articles. 350 00:16:12,538 --> 00:16:13,835 We called it science club, 351 00:16:13,872 --> 00:16:15,772 Iike it was chess club or something. 352 00:16:15,808 --> 00:16:17,935 - There aren't drugs. 353 00:16:17,977 --> 00:16:19,842 - lndividual after individual 354 00:16:19,878 --> 00:16:23,006 had to come to grips with the fact that, 355 00:16:23,048 --> 00:16:25,278 "l will survive the longest, 356 00:16:25,317 --> 00:16:29,617 the most I know about what I'm putting into my body." 357 00:16:29,655 --> 00:16:31,384 So they all had to be become scientists, 358 00:16:31,423 --> 00:16:32,481 to some degree. 359 00:16:32,524 --> 00:16:33,923 - And what I would like everyone to do 360 00:16:33,959 --> 00:16:36,450 would be to keep on thinking of ways to refine these things 361 00:16:36,495 --> 00:16:38,122 to make them more clear to people 362 00:16:38,163 --> 00:16:40,927 that don't necessarily know the issues, like Ol. 363 00:16:40,966 --> 00:16:42,433 No one knows what Ol is. 364 00:16:42,468 --> 00:16:44,629 Okay, so I wrote it here, just 'cause it's shorthand. 365 00:16:44,670 --> 00:16:46,797 Only 1 7% of people in their trials 366 00:16:46,839 --> 00:16:47,965 have been taking drugs 367 00:16:48,007 --> 00:16:49,804 for opportunistic infections or cancers. 368 00:16:49,842 --> 00:16:52,470 - Mark wasn't, like, the big, beefcakey guy. 369 00:16:52,511 --> 00:16:56,311 He was super smart, smoked nonstop. 370 00:16:56,348 --> 00:16:59,146 - Right away, Mark digested, 371 00:16:59,184 --> 00:17:01,982 as by osmosis, everything. 372 00:17:02,021 --> 00:17:03,318 And within a few weeks, 373 00:17:03,355 --> 00:17:08,315 he had come up with a glossary of AlDS treatment terms, 374 00:17:08,360 --> 00:17:10,521 and we started giving it out in our meetings. 375 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:16,997 - Next we have an announcement by Tom Dwayne 376 00:17:17,036 --> 00:17:19,664 regarding housing. 377 00:17:19,705 --> 00:17:21,002 - This is Bernard Braverman, 378 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:22,837 who's in danger of being evicted 379 00:17:22,875 --> 00:17:25,503 from his apartment that he shared with his life partner 380 00:17:25,544 --> 00:17:27,011 for many, many years. 381 00:17:27,046 --> 00:17:28,343 His life partner died, 382 00:17:28,380 --> 00:17:31,178 and the landlord wants Bernard out of his home 383 00:17:31,216 --> 00:17:34,617 because his name was not on the lease. 384 00:17:34,653 --> 00:17:36,177 - What's his landlord's address? 385 00:17:36,221 --> 00:17:38,485 [laughter] - We'll find him. 386 00:17:38,524 --> 00:17:40,185 - There are cards here to fill out, 387 00:17:40,225 --> 00:17:41,692 to write to the governor. 388 00:17:41,727 --> 00:17:44,195 Let's make sure that our voices are heard in New York City 389 00:17:44,229 --> 00:17:46,356 to save the homes of PWAs 390 00:17:46,398 --> 00:17:48,195 and other nontraditional families. 391 00:17:48,233 --> 00:17:49,530 Thank you very much. 392 00:17:49,568 --> 00:17:52,560 [cheers and applause] 393 00:18:00,079 --> 00:18:02,547 - I just want to say something about what's just happened. 394 00:18:02,581 --> 00:18:04,879 I realized we haven't done anything yet for him 395 00:18:04,917 --> 00:18:06,384 and we haven't been effective 396 00:18:06,418 --> 00:18:07,817 and we haven't been powerful, 397 00:18:07,853 --> 00:18:09,821 but we will be. 398 00:18:09,855 --> 00:18:12,050 It's very inspiring to know the power in this room 399 00:18:12,091 --> 00:18:14,559 is potentially available to each and every one of us. 400 00:18:14,593 --> 00:18:17,585 [cheers and applause] 401 00:18:19,932 --> 00:18:22,901 - One, two, three. 402 00:18:22,935 --> 00:18:26,564 [girl laughs] 403 00:18:26,605 --> 00:18:28,573 Good? 404 00:18:28,607 --> 00:18:29,733 How was it? 405 00:18:29,775 --> 00:18:32,073 Is that as good as Daddy's or better? 406 00:18:32,111 --> 00:18:33,738 - You're better. 407 00:18:33,779 --> 00:18:35,076 - Yay! 408 00:18:35,114 --> 00:18:37,241 - Would you like Daddy to try it? 409 00:18:37,282 --> 00:18:39,250 Are you ready? 410 00:18:39,284 --> 00:18:43,914 - [laughs and shrieks] 411 00:18:43,956 --> 00:18:45,583 That's not very good. 412 00:18:45,624 --> 00:18:48,422 [laughter] 413 00:18:48,460 --> 00:18:51,088 - One, two, three. 414 00:18:51,130 --> 00:18:52,927 - I know this sounds ironic, 415 00:18:52,965 --> 00:18:55,263 considering that it ended in divorce, 416 00:18:55,300 --> 00:18:57,928 but I think it is fair to say 417 00:18:57,970 --> 00:19:01,804 it's the only really successful love affair of my life. 418 00:19:07,980 --> 00:19:10,448 I came out at age 40. 419 00:19:10,482 --> 00:19:12,279 It was very bad timing to come out 420 00:19:12,317 --> 00:19:15,445 in the middle of an epidemic. 421 00:19:15,487 --> 00:19:17,614 The question is, what does a decent society do 422 00:19:17,656 --> 00:19:19,988 with people who hurt themselves because they're human, 423 00:19:20,025 --> 00:19:21,515 who smoke too much, who eat too much, 424 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:22,618 who drive carelessly, 425 00:19:22,661 --> 00:19:24,788 who don't have safe sex? 426 00:19:24,830 --> 00:19:26,627 I think the answer is that a decent society 427 00:19:26,665 --> 00:19:28,462 does not put people out to pasture 428 00:19:28,500 --> 00:19:30,991 and let them die because they've done a human thing. 429 00:19:41,513 --> 00:19:42,571 - For the first time today, 430 00:19:42,614 --> 00:19:44,377 the government approved prescription sales 431 00:19:44,416 --> 00:19:45,974 of a drug to treat AlDS. 432 00:19:46,018 --> 00:19:48,816 The drug, AZT, is not a cure for the disease, 433 00:19:48,854 --> 00:19:51,687 but it has prolonged the lives of some AlDS victims. 434 00:19:51,723 --> 00:19:53,987 It's the only government-approved AlDS drug 435 00:19:54,026 --> 00:19:55,323 in America. 436 00:19:55,360 --> 00:19:57,328 But even this most promising of drugs 437 00:19:57,362 --> 00:19:59,990 is a source of frustration and anger. 438 00:20:00,032 --> 00:20:02,830 At $1 0,000 a year cost per patient, 439 00:20:02,868 --> 00:20:05,166 it's prohibitively expensive for most 440 00:20:05,204 --> 00:20:07,069 and not widely available. 441 00:20:07,105 --> 00:20:09,665 all: Out of the bars and into the streets! 442 00:20:09,708 --> 00:20:11,835 Out of the bars and into the streets! 443 00:20:11,877 --> 00:20:14,505 - AZT was the most expensive drug in history. 444 00:20:14,546 --> 00:20:16,673 They charge $1 0,000 a year. 445 00:20:16,715 --> 00:20:19,843 We need to get a substantial price reduction 446 00:20:19,885 --> 00:20:21,352 out of this company. 447 00:20:21,386 --> 00:20:23,286 - The incident began at 10:0 this morning 448 00:20:23,322 --> 00:20:24,687 when four AlDS activists 449 00:20:24,723 --> 00:20:27,123 took over an office at Burroughs Wellcome, 450 00:20:27,159 --> 00:20:29,127 saying they had enough food and water 451 00:20:29,161 --> 00:20:31,356 to stay holed up for a long time. 452 00:20:31,396 --> 00:20:34,024 The activists are demanding that Burroughs Wellcome 453 00:20:34,066 --> 00:20:35,966 Iower its price of AZT. 454 00:20:36,001 --> 00:20:39,027 - Burroughs Wellcome is profiting off of our lives. 455 00:20:39,071 --> 00:20:41,539 That's why we did today what we did. 456 00:20:41,573 --> 00:20:46,875 And if they don't see to start listening to my community, 457 00:20:46,912 --> 00:20:49,039 to our community, the AlDS community, 458 00:20:49,081 --> 00:20:50,241 then we're gonna be back. 459 00:20:50,282 --> 00:20:53,251 [solemn music] 460 00:20:53,285 --> 00:21:01,283 ? ? 461 00:21:34,459 --> 00:21:37,257 - One of the worst, worst things was, 462 00:21:37,296 --> 00:21:40,561 when people died in the hospital, 463 00:21:40,599 --> 00:21:44,126 they used to put them in black trash bags. 464 00:21:46,638 --> 00:21:49,766 It was����� [scoffs] 465 00:21:49,808 --> 00:21:52,777 It was really awful. 466 00:21:52,811 --> 00:21:54,779 And not every funeral parlor 467 00:21:54,813 --> 00:21:59,807 would take patients who had died of AlDS. 468 00:21:59,851 --> 00:22:02,945 - But�����so the least we could offer 469 00:22:02,988 --> 00:22:05,616 is sympathy and moral support, 470 00:22:05,657 --> 00:22:09,616 you know, and kindness and so forth. 471 00:22:09,661 --> 00:22:13,119 And that, they deserved, in any case. 472 00:22:13,165 --> 00:22:15,963 And when even that became denied, 473 00:22:16,001 --> 00:22:21,132 you know, by the totalitarian rules of organizations, 474 00:22:21,173 --> 00:22:22,470 of institutions, 475 00:22:22,507 --> 00:22:26,307 it was really horrifying. 476 00:22:26,345 --> 00:22:29,473 - It is the most frightening medical mystery of our times. 477 00:22:29,514 --> 00:22:31,982 AlDS victims must deal with the trauma 478 00:22:32,017 --> 00:22:34,315 of being both a patient and a pariah. 479 00:22:34,353 --> 00:22:36,981 - I hate to use the word "gay" 480 00:22:37,022 --> 00:22:40,822 in connection with sodomy. 481 00:22:40,859 --> 00:22:42,827 There's nothing gay about these people 482 00:22:42,861 --> 00:22:46,820 engaging in incredibly offensive and revolting conduct 483 00:22:46,865 --> 00:22:50,596 that has led to the proliferation of AlDS. 484 00:22:50,635 --> 00:22:53,729 - There is a feeling among members 485 00:22:53,772 --> 00:22:56,332 of any of a number of professions 486 00:22:56,375 --> 00:22:58,502 or just the general population 487 00:22:58,543 --> 00:23:00,841 that patients with AlDS, 488 00:23:00,879 --> 00:23:02,574 many of whom are homosexual, 489 00:23:02,614 --> 00:23:04,013 are a little bit different. 490 00:23:04,049 --> 00:23:07,678 I think that that has led to a little bit of a complacency 491 00:23:07,719 --> 00:23:11,280 about the approach towards this disease. 492 00:23:11,323 --> 00:23:13,848 - In the absence of adequate health care, 493 00:23:13,892 --> 00:23:15,985 we have learned to become our own clinicians, 494 00:23:16,027 --> 00:23:17,619 researchers, lobbyists, 495 00:23:17,662 --> 00:23:19,527 drug smugglers, pharmacists. 496 00:23:19,564 --> 00:23:20,929 We have our own libraries, 497 00:23:20,966 --> 00:23:23,434 newspapers, drugstores, and laboratories. 498 00:23:23,468 --> 00:23:25,868 - Some of the medications that were made available 499 00:23:25,904 --> 00:23:27,428 were not effective. 500 00:23:27,472 --> 00:23:28,598 They were in this category 501 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,107 that we called "what the hell" drugs, 502 00:23:30,142 --> 00:23:32,201 which is, "There's some evidence it could be useful. 503 00:23:32,244 --> 00:23:35,111 It's unlikely to be harmful. What the hell?" 504 00:23:35,147 --> 00:23:37,911 - Should I type? 505 00:23:37,949 --> 00:23:39,940 [laughs] - Yes, type. 506 00:23:43,088 --> 00:23:44,487 Take your time. 507 00:23:44,523 --> 00:23:45,854 Where are we? 508 00:23:45,891 --> 00:23:48,018 - We're at the People With AlDS Health Group, 509 00:23:48,059 --> 00:23:50,550 the largest underground buyers' club 510 00:23:50,595 --> 00:23:52,893 in the United States. 511 00:23:52,931 --> 00:23:54,228 - And what do you do here? 512 00:23:54,266 --> 00:23:58,225 - We help people import drugs from other countries, 513 00:23:58,270 --> 00:23:59,897 um, that are unapproved here: 514 00:23:59,938 --> 00:24:01,906 Peptide T, Albendazole, 515 00:24:01,940 --> 00:24:04,170 Oral Amphotericin B. 516 00:24:04,209 --> 00:24:05,972 We have a whole variety of things 517 00:24:06,011 --> 00:24:07,911 for your treatment pleasure. 518 00:24:07,946 --> 00:24:09,743 [chuckles] 519 00:24:09,781 --> 00:24:11,078 None of which work, by the way. 520 00:24:11,116 --> 00:24:12,140 [laughter] 521 00:24:12,184 --> 00:24:14,311 Put that in. 522 00:24:14,352 --> 00:24:15,683 - People with AlDS, 523 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,188 what they were mostly thinking about was, 524 00:24:18,223 --> 00:24:20,919 "Oh, drugs, how do I get it off-market? 525 00:24:20,959 --> 00:24:22,256 "How do l����� 526 00:24:22,294 --> 00:24:24,421 "Will we ever get a black market for this drug? 527 00:24:24,463 --> 00:24:26,090 I hear this is good and"���� 528 00:24:26,131 --> 00:24:28,258 It was lris who helped us see; 529 00:24:28,300 --> 00:24:32,100 we don't want a black market. 530 00:24:32,137 --> 00:24:34,605 We want to make the real market work. 531 00:24:34,639 --> 00:24:36,106 [static buzzing] 532 00:24:36,141 --> 00:24:39,110 - Try it. 533 00:24:39,144 --> 00:24:41,135 [match strikes] 534 00:24:49,154 --> 00:24:52,282 Hi, I'm Mark Harrington from ACT UP New York. 535 00:24:52,324 --> 00:24:54,622 Recently, a lot of activists have been asking 536 00:24:54,659 --> 00:24:56,957 why ACT UP is going... 537 00:24:56,995 --> 00:24:58,223 Uh. You've got to start over. 538 00:24:58,263 --> 00:24:59,855 I got to do that���� I've got to do that over. 539 00:24:59,898 --> 00:25:01,263 - You can just start yourself over. 540 00:25:01,299 --> 00:25:02,391 - But l����but I won't get 541 00:25:02,434 --> 00:25:04,061 that wonderful cigarette-lighting thing. 542 00:25:04,102 --> 00:25:06,036 - I think the cigarette maybe is not going to work. 543 00:25:06,071 --> 00:25:08,369 - I shouldn't use the cigarette at all, really? 544 00:25:08,406 --> 00:25:11,375 - I don't think so. It's too, um����too much. 545 00:25:11,409 --> 00:25:12,967 - Too much? 546 00:25:13,011 --> 00:25:15,343 [inhaling] 547 00:25:17,115 --> 00:25:19,640 Hi, I'm Mark Harrington from ACT UP New York. 548 00:25:19,684 --> 00:25:20,981 A lot of people have been asking, 549 00:25:21,019 --> 00:25:23,419 "Why are AlDS activists going to the FDA?" 550 00:25:23,455 --> 00:25:24,922 First of all, you have to understand 551 00:25:24,956 --> 00:25:27,424 that the FDA is one of the many federal AlDS bureaucracies 552 00:25:27,459 --> 00:25:29,324 which we're angry with for not doing enough 553 00:25:29,361 --> 00:25:30,487 in the fight against AlDS. 554 00:25:30,529 --> 00:25:32,156 Half the people who take AZT 555 00:25:32,197 --> 00:25:33,824 can't take it 'cause of side effects. 556 00:25:33,865 --> 00:25:36,493 And therefore, the FDA has to take a more activist stance 557 00:25:36,535 --> 00:25:37,968 in the experimental process. 558 00:25:38,003 --> 00:25:39,834 And only the FDA has the power 559 00:25:39,871 --> 00:25:41,702 under existing laws and regulations 560 00:25:41,740 --> 00:25:44,971 to release the drugs that we want released now. 561 00:25:45,010 --> 00:25:46,341 [static buzzing] How's that? 562 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:50,477 crowd: AZT is not enough! 563 00:25:50,515 --> 00:25:52,483 Give us all the other stuff! 564 00:25:52,517 --> 00:25:54,508 AZT is not enough! 565 00:25:54,553 --> 00:25:56,453 Give us all the other stuff! 566 00:25:56,488 --> 00:25:58,456 AZT is not enough! 567 00:25:58,490 --> 00:25:59,855 Give us all the other stuff! 568 00:25:59,891 --> 00:26:03,691 - It takes nine months to test a drug in Europe, 569 00:26:03,728 --> 00:26:04,922 in Belgium, in France, 570 00:26:04,963 --> 00:26:06,362 in Germany, in England. 571 00:26:06,398 --> 00:26:11,028 We are not asking the FDA to release dangerous drugs 572 00:26:11,069 --> 00:26:13,537 without safety or efficacy. 573 00:26:13,572 --> 00:26:18,134 We are simply asking the FDA to do it quicker. 574 00:26:18,176 --> 00:26:19,734 crowd: Drugs for sale! 575 00:26:19,778 --> 00:26:21,006 Drugs for sale! 576 00:26:21,046 --> 00:26:22,843 - Dextran sulfate for sale. 577 00:26:22,881 --> 00:26:24,041 Get your dextran here. 578 00:26:24,082 --> 00:26:25,913 You can't get it inside. 579 00:26:25,951 --> 00:26:27,976 [indistinct chanting] 580 00:26:28,019 --> 00:26:30,419 - FDA����� but we're selling it anyway. 581 00:26:30,455 --> 00:26:31,979 - $30 for dextran sulfate! 582 00:26:32,023 --> 00:26:33,888 crowd: Release the drugs now! 583 00:26:33,925 --> 00:26:35,916 Release the drugs now! 584 00:26:35,961 --> 00:26:37,553 Release the drugs now! 585 00:26:37,596 --> 00:26:41,555 Get to work! Get to work! 586 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,728 Get to work! Get to work! 587 00:26:44,769 --> 00:26:46,999 Guilty! Guilty! Guilty! Guilty! 588 00:26:47,038 --> 00:26:48,505 Guilty! Guilty! Guilty! 589 00:26:48,540 --> 00:26:50,235 Guilty! Guilty! Guilty! 590 00:26:50,275 --> 00:26:52,072 Guilty! Guilty! Guilty! Guilty! 591 00:26:52,110 --> 00:26:54,203 Seize control! Seize control! 592 00:26:54,245 --> 00:26:56,577 Seize control! Seize control! Seize control! 593 00:26:56,615 --> 00:26:57,741 - Keep it moving! 594 00:26:57,782 --> 00:26:58,908 Keep it moving! 595 00:26:58,950 --> 00:27:01,248 - Seize control! Seize control! 596 00:27:01,286 --> 00:27:02,844 Seize control! Seize control! 597 00:27:02,887 --> 00:27:04,752 - Fight AlDS! Act up! 598 00:27:04,789 --> 00:27:05,756 Fight back! 599 00:27:05,790 --> 00:27:06,848 - Fight AlDS! 600 00:27:06,891 --> 00:27:08,518 Stand up! Fight back! Fight AlDS! 601 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,619 - What's going on? What's going on? 602 00:27:10,662 --> 00:27:12,254 - Seize control! 603 00:27:12,297 --> 00:27:14,356 Seize control! Seize control! 604 00:27:14,399 --> 00:27:16,697 crowd: Seize control! Seize control! 605 00:27:16,735 --> 00:27:20,000 Seize control! Seize control! 606 00:27:20,038 --> 00:27:22,199 Seize control! Seize control! 607 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,708 - Seize control! 608 00:27:24,743 --> 00:27:29,578 [cheers and applause] 609 00:27:33,018 --> 00:27:36,613 [cameras clicking] 610 00:27:36,655 --> 00:27:42,116 [indistinct shouting and chanting] 611 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,492 [whistle blows] 612 00:27:45,864 --> 00:27:47,126 - Start fighting! 613 00:27:47,165 --> 00:27:48,792 - Come on, tell us why you got arrested. 614 00:27:48,833 --> 00:27:50,733 Where are they taking you? What's going on today? 615 00:27:50,769 --> 00:27:52,964 - We don't know what's����� where they're taking us. 616 00:27:53,004 --> 00:27:54,562 We're here because this government 617 00:27:54,606 --> 00:27:56,631 has the resources to deal with the AlDS epidemic, 618 00:27:56,675 --> 00:27:58,734 and they won't do it unless we force them. 619 00:27:58,777 --> 00:28:00,802 - l.J. Hutchins reports live from Rockville, 620 00:28:00,845 --> 00:28:02,642 where the massive protest is wrapping up. 621 00:28:02,681 --> 00:28:03,807 I.J.? 622 00:28:03,848 --> 00:28:05,281 - Well, Jim, it's being billed 623 00:28:05,316 --> 00:28:07,443 as one of Montgomery County's biggest demonstrations 624 00:28:07,485 --> 00:28:09,214 in recent history, and it went off smoothly. 625 00:28:09,254 --> 00:28:10,585 1 85 arrests, 626 00:28:10,622 --> 00:28:12,590 as a coalition of gay groups came to Rockville 627 00:28:12,624 --> 00:28:15,092 to shut down the FDA. 628 00:28:18,229 --> 00:28:22,290 - Tonight, from Washington, Crossfire: Against All Odds. 629 00:28:22,333 --> 00:28:24,267 On the left, Tom Braden. 630 00:28:24,302 --> 00:28:26,202 On the right, Pat Buchanan. 631 00:28:26,237 --> 00:28:28,102 In the cross fire, Peter Staley 632 00:28:28,139 --> 00:28:31,438 of the New York AlDS Coalition to Unleash Power. 633 00:28:31,476 --> 00:28:33,671 - Peter Staley, you have the AlDS virus, 634 00:28:33,712 --> 00:28:36,510 and I am sorry. 635 00:28:36,548 --> 00:28:40,848 But don't you think that the Federal Drug Administration 636 00:28:40,885 --> 00:28:44,844 has a responsibility not to let people, 637 00:28:44,889 --> 00:28:48,655 such as you, have quacks 638 00:28:48,693 --> 00:28:52,185 that could cause even more harm than you already have? 639 00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:53,629 - The problem is, 640 00:28:53,665 --> 00:28:56,634 is that the FDA is using the same process 641 00:28:56,668 --> 00:28:58,533 to test a nasal spray 642 00:28:58,570 --> 00:29:00,697 as it is to test AlDS drugs, 643 00:29:00,739 --> 00:29:02,798 and it's a seven- to ten-year process. 644 00:29:02,841 --> 00:29:05,708 - You have the FDA giving you a drug. 645 00:29:05,744 --> 00:29:08,713 So far, you've got AZT. Why���� 646 00:29:08,747 --> 00:29:09,873 - Which I can't take 647 00:29:09,914 --> 00:29:11,245 because it's too����� far too toxic. 648 00:29:11,282 --> 00:29:14,115 And over half the people that have HlV can't take it. 649 00:29:14,152 --> 00:29:16,120 - Okay, but the FDA says 650 00:29:16,154 --> 00:29:20,921 there is nothing else that is worth anything. 651 00:29:20,959 --> 00:29:22,722 - Mr. Staley, this is gonna astonish you, 652 00:29:22,761 --> 00:29:24,160 but I agree with you 1 00%. 653 00:29:24,195 --> 00:29:25,389 I think if someone's got AlDS 654 00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:26,897 and someone wants to take a drug, 655 00:29:26,931 --> 00:29:28,660 it's their life, and if it gives them hope, 656 00:29:28,700 --> 00:29:29,997 they ought to be able to take it. 657 00:29:30,034 --> 00:29:31,092 What I want to ask you 658 00:29:31,136 --> 00:29:32,933 is whether you know of anything 659 00:29:32,971 --> 00:29:36,065 that you think might be some kind of miraculous cure 660 00:29:36,107 --> 00:29:38,075 that you think they're sitting on at FDA. 661 00:29:38,109 --> 00:29:40,577 - There are over 1 40 drugs out there 662 00:29:40,612 --> 00:29:44,241 that the FDA has identified as possibilities 663 00:29:44,282 --> 00:29:47,080 and are in some stage of being looked at right now. 664 00:29:47,118 --> 00:29:48,244 - Why are they holding back? 665 00:29:48,286 --> 00:29:49,583 - Among that 1 40, 666 00:29:49,621 --> 00:29:52,419 there's got to be one or a combination thereof 667 00:29:52,457 --> 00:29:55,255 that can����� that can slow down this virus 668 00:29:55,293 --> 00:29:56,885 or halt it in its tracks. 669 00:29:56,928 --> 00:29:58,327 - You're just simply carrying the virus. 670 00:29:58,363 --> 00:29:59,387 Is that correct? 671 00:29:59,430 --> 00:30:01,762 - I have a few very minor symptoms, 672 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,893 and my immune system is virtually shot. 673 00:30:03,935 --> 00:30:05,334 - What would you like to take? 674 00:30:05,370 --> 00:30:07,930 - I would like to be able to take dextran sulfate legally. 675 00:30:07,972 --> 00:30:09,166 - How would that hurt you? 676 00:30:09,207 --> 00:30:10,970 - I'm taking it on the underground right now. 677 00:30:11,009 --> 00:30:12,203 - Well, why not, Mr. Braden? 678 00:30:12,243 --> 00:30:14,211 - Because����� well, I don't know anything 679 00:30:14,245 --> 00:30:15,269 about dextran sulfate. 680 00:30:15,313 --> 00:30:16,405 - Well, I'll tell you this. 681 00:30:16,447 --> 00:30:18,210 It's an over-the-counter drug in Japan 682 00:30:18,249 --> 00:30:19,944 and has been for 20 years. 683 00:30:19,984 --> 00:30:22,145 - But����� - Over-the-counter, yes. 684 00:30:22,187 --> 00:30:23,814 - But if the FDA says���� 685 00:30:23,855 --> 00:30:25,447 - I'm only asking that they be released 686 00:30:25,490 --> 00:30:28,459 after there's a minimal amount of efficacy, 687 00:30:28,493 --> 00:30:30,961 not a 1 00% test. 688 00:30:30,995 --> 00:30:33,293 - You've got the pink triangle on your shirt, 689 00:30:33,331 --> 00:30:34,491 "Silence equals death." 690 00:30:34,532 --> 00:30:36,124 I gather that means you're a homosexual. 691 00:30:36,167 --> 00:30:37,156 - Yes. 692 00:30:37,202 --> 00:30:38,191 - Looking in the camera, 693 00:30:38,236 --> 00:30:39,396 what would you tell some kid���� 694 00:30:39,437 --> 00:30:41,132 say you had a younger brother, 21 years old, 695 00:30:41,172 --> 00:30:44,232 who also might have homosexual tendencies; 696 00:30:44,275 --> 00:30:45,333 what would you tell him 697 00:30:45,376 --> 00:30:46,809 if you wanted him to live a long life? 698 00:30:46,845 --> 00:30:47,971 - Use a condom 699 00:30:48,012 --> 00:30:50,139 and also to use a lubricant, by the way, 700 00:30:50,181 --> 00:30:52,649 that has the medicine����� 701 00:30:52,684 --> 00:30:54,549 - This is Russian roulette. 702 00:30:54,586 --> 00:30:56,053 - It is not Russian roulette. 703 00:30:56,087 --> 00:30:58,988 It is Russian roulette to not give people this information 704 00:30:59,023 --> 00:31:01,651 when human nature dictates that they're gonna go out there, 705 00:31:01,693 --> 00:31:02,785 and they're gonna have sex. 706 00:31:02,827 --> 00:31:04,226 - You mean celibacy is impossible? 707 00:31:04,262 --> 00:31:05,354 - It's just not gonna work. 708 00:31:05,396 --> 00:31:06,886 People aren't gonna do it, and lots����� 709 00:31:06,931 --> 00:31:08,228 Iots of people are gonna die. 710 00:31:08,266 --> 00:31:10,826 Now, would you rather have 711 00:31:10,869 --> 00:31:12,837 a lot of people cheating on their celibacy 712 00:31:12,871 --> 00:31:14,338 with thousands of people dying, 713 00:31:14,372 --> 00:31:15,930 or would you rather save those lives 714 00:31:15,974 --> 00:31:17,339 and let them have sex? 715 00:31:17,375 --> 00:31:18,501 - I think that, uh���� 716 00:31:18,543 --> 00:31:20,511 Well, thank you very much, Peter Staley. 717 00:31:20,545 --> 00:31:21,876 Thanks for being in our studio. 718 00:31:21,913 --> 00:31:23,938 Mr. Braden and l will be back in a minute. 719 00:31:27,552 --> 00:31:29,679 - One of the things we wanted 720 00:31:29,721 --> 00:31:32,519 was a drug that you gave to people 721 00:31:32,557 --> 00:31:36,857 who had cytomegalovirus and advanced AlDS, 722 00:31:36,895 --> 00:31:41,195 because people who had both tended to go blind. 723 00:31:41,232 --> 00:31:42,893 It was called DHPG. 724 00:31:42,934 --> 00:31:45,903 [somber music] 725 00:31:45,937 --> 00:31:53,935 ? ? 726 00:32:13,264 --> 00:32:15,061 In a way similar to AZT, 727 00:32:15,099 --> 00:32:16,396 it was highly toxic, 728 00:32:16,434 --> 00:32:18,231 but it was known to be effective 729 00:32:18,269 --> 00:32:22,069 because 6,000 people had already used the drug 730 00:32:22,106 --> 00:32:25,405 but never in a clinical trial. 731 00:32:25,443 --> 00:32:27,434 crowd: Hey, hey, FDA! 732 00:32:27,478 --> 00:32:29,742 How many people did you kill today? 733 00:32:29,781 --> 00:32:31,578 - We are with Jim Eigo from ACT UP, 734 00:32:31,616 --> 00:32:34,414 and there's a major protest going on here in Bethesda 735 00:32:34,452 --> 00:32:36,079 over the drug DHPG. 736 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:37,087 Tell us what's happening. 737 00:32:37,121 --> 00:32:39,089 - Well, this is the second meeting 738 00:32:39,123 --> 00:32:42,092 of the Bush commission for reviewing procedures 739 00:32:42,126 --> 00:32:44,754 for approving AlDS and cancer drugs. 740 00:32:44,796 --> 00:32:48,596 And we thought, since the non-approval of DHPG 741 00:32:48,633 --> 00:32:50,430 is such a perfect example 742 00:32:50,468 --> 00:32:52,595 of how regulation has gone wrong, 743 00:32:52,637 --> 00:32:54,764 we'd bring it home to the commission itself 744 00:32:54,806 --> 00:32:56,103 by showing up here in force, 745 00:32:56,140 --> 00:32:57,437 and that's what we've done. 746 00:32:57,475 --> 00:32:59,602 - Okay, also inside at the hearing itself. 747 00:32:59,644 --> 00:33:01,236 And I understand there's going to be 748 00:33:01,279 --> 00:33:02,541 an action in just a little while 749 00:33:02,580 --> 00:33:03,604 when Ellen Cooper speaks. 750 00:33:03,648 --> 00:33:05,309 - I guess so. 751 00:33:07,719 --> 00:33:09,118 - What about DHPG? 752 00:33:09,153 --> 00:33:10,450 - What about DHPG? 753 00:33:10,488 --> 00:33:11,785 - What about DHPG? 754 00:33:11,823 --> 00:33:13,814 [overlapping voices] 755 00:33:13,858 --> 00:33:15,120 - Without the objective data, 756 00:33:15,159 --> 00:33:19,459 we feel that we would indeed be on����� 757 00:33:19,497 --> 00:33:21,124 on treacherous grounds 758 00:33:21,165 --> 00:33:23,133 in defending that decision 759 00:33:23,167 --> 00:33:24,464 and, in fact, would be wide open 760 00:33:24,502 --> 00:33:27,130 to the charge of arbitrary decision-making. 761 00:33:27,171 --> 00:33:29,469 Although, uh, we certainly 762 00:33:29,507 --> 00:33:31,407 wouldn't be accused of being inflexible. 763 00:33:31,442 --> 00:33:32,670 - You did it with AZT. 764 00:33:32,710 --> 00:33:34,803 I don't see why you can't do it with... 765 00:33:34,846 --> 00:33:36,313 - I mean, I have to say 766 00:33:36,347 --> 00:33:38,144 that the difference in the data 767 00:33:38,182 --> 00:33:40,650 between AZT And DHPG 768 00:33:40,685 --> 00:33:43,313 is the difference between night and day, as far as���� 769 00:33:43,354 --> 00:33:44,912 - Sight and blindness. 770 00:33:44,956 --> 00:33:45,980 - You're just as blind���� 771 00:33:46,024 --> 00:33:47,992 - Lose your life and lose your sight. 772 00:33:48,026 --> 00:33:50,392 - People have died since this meeting started, 773 00:33:50,428 --> 00:33:52,988 and four more are gonna die before it's over. 774 00:33:53,031 --> 00:33:54,726 - Who represents the patient on this panel? 775 00:33:54,766 --> 00:33:56,996 - Where is a person of color on this panel? 776 00:33:57,035 --> 00:34:02,337 - FDA relooks at the DHPG data and suddenly, "Oh!" 777 00:34:02,373 --> 00:34:05,501 Agrees with ACT UP. 778 00:34:05,543 --> 00:34:08,205 - Ready for a vote? 779 00:34:08,246 --> 00:34:12,182 All in favor, raise your hand. 780 00:34:12,216 --> 00:34:13,979 One, two... 781 00:34:14,018 --> 00:34:15,918 Well, that's everyone. 782 00:34:15,953 --> 00:34:19,514 [cheers and applause] 783 00:34:19,557 --> 00:34:21,354 - It was really an amazing encounter, 784 00:34:21,392 --> 00:34:24,190 but it sort of felt like reaching the Wizard of Oz. 785 00:34:24,228 --> 00:34:25,957 Like, you got to the center of the whole����� 786 00:34:25,997 --> 00:34:27,294 of the whole system, 787 00:34:27,331 --> 00:34:29,196 and there's just this schmuck behind a curtain. 788 00:34:29,233 --> 00:34:31,030 There was no guiding agenda. 789 00:34:31,069 --> 00:34:32,195 There was no leadership. 790 00:34:32,236 --> 00:34:33,965 There was no global strategy 791 00:34:34,005 --> 00:34:36,838 for how to deal with AlDS in the U.S. 792 00:34:36,874 --> 00:34:38,739 And so on the bus back from Bethesda, 793 00:34:38,776 --> 00:34:41,370 we decided to write a treatment agenda, 794 00:34:41,412 --> 00:34:43,937 because nobody was dealing with the entire map of AlDS, 795 00:34:43,981 --> 00:34:46,211 the entire constellation of opportunistic infections, 796 00:34:46,250 --> 00:34:47,308 the gaps in research, 797 00:34:47,351 --> 00:34:49,012 the underrepresented populations, 798 00:34:49,053 --> 00:34:51,112 the fact that the diseases and the drugs 799 00:34:51,155 --> 00:34:52,782 might be different in those populations. 800 00:34:52,824 --> 00:34:53,791 How would we ever find out? 801 00:34:53,825 --> 00:34:55,087 They weren't even being studied. 802 00:34:55,126 --> 00:34:56,115 [carefree music] 803 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:57,889 - Jump on the bus! 804 00:34:57,929 --> 00:35:01,057 - ? In the dark of night ? 805 00:35:01,099 --> 00:35:04,227 ? I laid myself ? 806 00:35:04,268 --> 00:35:07,328 ? To rest ? 807 00:35:07,371 --> 00:35:10,602 ? Step out of the strange... ? 808 00:35:10,641 --> 00:35:11,835 - Bye, Ron! 809 00:35:11,876 --> 00:35:15,334 Bye, Bobby! 810 00:35:15,379 --> 00:35:16,778 - Come on, Catherine, let's go. 811 00:35:16,814 --> 00:35:18,839 - It's time to go. - Yeah. 812 00:35:18,883 --> 00:35:22,046 ? ? 813 00:35:22,086 --> 00:35:24,418 - ? Again ? 814 00:35:24,455 --> 00:35:27,356 ? Come to life ? 815 00:35:27,391 --> 00:35:29,882 crowd: Crisis knows no borders! 816 00:35:29,927 --> 00:35:32,919 The AlDS crisis knows no borders! 817 00:35:32,964 --> 00:35:34,488 The AlDS crisis 818 00:35:34,532 --> 00:35:35,931 knows no borders! 819 00:35:35,967 --> 00:35:37,491 The AlDS crisis 820 00:35:37,535 --> 00:35:39,025 knows no borders! 821 00:35:39,070 --> 00:35:40,731 The AlDS crisis 822 00:35:40,771 --> 00:35:42,102 knows no borders! 823 00:35:42,140 --> 00:35:44,631 The AlDS crisis knows no borders! 824 00:35:46,043 --> 00:35:47,271 - I'd just like to say 825 00:35:47,311 --> 00:35:49,211 that the reasons I can't get any of these drugs 826 00:35:49,247 --> 00:35:51,442 is 'cause, for nine years now, 827 00:35:51,482 --> 00:35:53,109 the leadership in this country 828 00:35:53,151 --> 00:35:55,915 has failed to come up with a plan of action. 829 00:35:55,953 --> 00:35:59,116 They've failed to come up with a plan of research, 830 00:35:59,157 --> 00:36:01,625 a national research agenda. 831 00:36:01,659 --> 00:36:03,456 People with AlDS and their advocates 832 00:36:03,494 --> 00:36:05,962 have finally done this for them. 833 00:36:05,997 --> 00:36:07,624 This is it. 834 00:36:07,665 --> 00:36:09,633 This is the plan we're presenting. 835 00:36:09,667 --> 00:36:11,635 We need our government to read this plan. 836 00:36:11,669 --> 00:36:13,296 We need them to work with us. 837 00:36:13,337 --> 00:36:15,134 If they want to change it a little, 838 00:36:15,173 --> 00:36:16,470 we'll talk to them. 839 00:36:16,507 --> 00:36:18,134 But I want them to adopt it. 840 00:36:18,176 --> 00:36:19,643 I want them to get started on it. 841 00:36:19,677 --> 00:36:22,305 I want them to save our lives. Thank you. 842 00:36:22,346 --> 00:36:23,574 [applause] 843 00:36:23,614 --> 00:36:25,514 - I snuck around and grabbed���� 844 00:36:25,550 --> 00:36:27,415 uh, grabbed one of those copies. 845 00:36:27,451 --> 00:36:29,282 And it was very interesting. 846 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:30,981 - We believe that the United States 847 00:36:31,022 --> 00:36:32,489 has a global responsibility 848 00:36:32,523 --> 00:36:34,650 to quickly develop effective treatments 849 00:36:34,692 --> 00:36:37,160 not only for HlV infection itself 850 00:36:37,195 --> 00:36:39,095 but for all of the opportunistic infections, 851 00:36:39,130 --> 00:36:40,757 which actually cause suffering and death 852 00:36:40,798 --> 00:36:41,992 in people living with AlDS. 853 00:36:42,033 --> 00:36:44,001 - This is not a new agenda, 854 00:36:44,035 --> 00:36:46,833 and it is not an agenda of only ACT UP. 855 00:36:46,871 --> 00:36:48,338 Scientists agree with this. 856 00:36:48,372 --> 00:36:49,498 Why can't we have it? 857 00:36:49,540 --> 00:36:51,167 - The researchers and regulators 858 00:36:51,209 --> 00:36:52,699 are going to have to come up with 859 00:36:52,743 --> 00:36:54,608 a parallel release program 860 00:36:54,645 --> 00:36:56,977 that will get drugs to the people who need it 861 00:36:57,014 --> 00:36:59,642 before the five years down the pipe 862 00:36:59,684 --> 00:37:01,845 where they may be approved by the FDA. 863 00:37:01,886 --> 00:37:04,684 - I was scribbling madly in this copy of their���� 864 00:37:04,722 --> 00:37:06,519 their AlDS Treatment Research Agenda. 865 00:37:06,557 --> 00:37:09,856 I would go back and forth between saying, "No, no! 866 00:37:09,894 --> 00:37:11,521 They don't understand!" 867 00:37:11,562 --> 00:37:13,496 To saying, "Whoa, you mean 868 00:37:13,531 --> 00:37:15,499 "this isn't the way we're doing trials? 869 00:37:15,533 --> 00:37:18,297 You mean people aren't allowed to do this or that?" 870 00:37:18,336 --> 00:37:21,203 But I have to tell you that I was still not ready 871 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,036 to sort of go up to them 872 00:37:23,074 --> 00:37:24,598 and try���� try and engage. 873 00:37:24,642 --> 00:37:26,371 I brought this copy back, 874 00:37:26,410 --> 00:37:29,208 and I distributed it to a small group of statisticians 875 00:37:29,247 --> 00:37:31,044 that was meeting regularly 876 00:37:31,082 --> 00:37:33,676 to talk about trial design issues. 877 00:37:33,718 --> 00:37:35,151 The people sitting around that table 878 00:37:35,186 --> 00:37:36,813 got as excited as I did. 879 00:37:36,854 --> 00:37:38,879 This had clearly been written by people 880 00:37:38,923 --> 00:37:41,391 who were very knowledgeable, 881 00:37:41,425 --> 00:37:44,053 very, very intelligent, 882 00:37:44,095 --> 00:37:45,392 and really wanted 883 00:37:45,429 --> 00:37:47,056 to do the trials the best possible way. 884 00:37:47,098 --> 00:37:48,565 They were not against trials. 885 00:37:48,599 --> 00:37:50,066 They wanted to get the right answers, 886 00:37:50,101 --> 00:37:52,899 but they wanted what they called humane trials. 887 00:37:52,937 --> 00:37:55,371 - It all came together in Montreal, 888 00:37:55,406 --> 00:37:59,103 but what was new for ACT UP... 889 00:37:59,143 --> 00:38:00,770 We went to a drug company. 890 00:38:00,811 --> 00:38:03,746 - There is renewed hope for people infected with AlDS. 891 00:38:03,781 --> 00:38:06,306 A new experimental drug, ddl, 892 00:38:06,350 --> 00:38:08,079 will be distributed on a limited basis 893 00:38:08,119 --> 00:38:09,984 for free this fall by its developer, 894 00:38:10,021 --> 00:38:11,818 the giant Bristol-Myers company. 895 00:38:11,856 --> 00:38:13,414 This marks the first time 896 00:38:13,457 --> 00:38:15,084 an anti-AlDS drug will be available 897 00:38:15,126 --> 00:38:17,321 even before safety testing is finished. 898 00:38:17,361 --> 00:38:21,024 Full AZT treatment is too much for patient Peter Staley. 899 00:38:21,065 --> 00:38:22,430 For nine months, he's been limited 900 00:38:22,466 --> 00:38:23,728 to a quarter-dose of the drug 901 00:38:23,768 --> 00:38:25,929 and wants ddl as soon as possible. 902 00:38:25,970 --> 00:38:28,029 - Do you need ddl to live, do you think? 903 00:38:28,072 --> 00:38:30,438 - Yes, I need���� I need ddl. 904 00:38:30,474 --> 00:38:33,136 I probably need some other antivirals beyond that. 905 00:38:33,177 --> 00:38:34,974 - It is historic. 906 00:38:35,012 --> 00:38:37,947 It is because the AlDS activist community 907 00:38:37,982 --> 00:38:39,609 has obtained this drug. 908 00:38:39,650 --> 00:38:41,618 It is not the government. 909 00:38:41,652 --> 00:38:42,949 No one has given it to us. 910 00:38:42,987 --> 00:38:44,113 We have fought for it, 911 00:38:44,155 --> 00:38:45,679 and for the first time, we have won. 912 00:38:45,723 --> 00:38:47,452 [indistinct chanting] 913 00:38:47,491 --> 00:38:50,289 - So by '89, less than a year after our FDA demo, 914 00:38:50,328 --> 00:38:51,625 they had approved a drug 915 00:38:51,662 --> 00:38:53,289 to prevent blindness in people with AlDS. 916 00:38:53,331 --> 00:38:56,129 And we had gotten expanded access to ddl, 917 00:38:56,167 --> 00:38:58,795 and that was a very powerful feeling. 918 00:38:58,836 --> 00:39:00,963 We felt like we were taking direct action, 919 00:39:01,005 --> 00:39:03,997 and we were helping make people's lives better. 920 00:39:07,845 --> 00:39:10,905 I wasn't sure that AZT or ddl were all that great, 921 00:39:10,948 --> 00:39:12,813 but we were beginning to get letters from people 922 00:39:12,850 --> 00:39:14,977 that said, "Thank you for saving my eyesight." 923 00:39:15,019 --> 00:39:17,487 "Thank you, ACT UP, for getting me access to ddl 924 00:39:17,521 --> 00:39:18,852 and helping to save my life." 925 00:39:26,197 --> 00:39:31,999 - At Merck, HlV was an important scientific target. 926 00:39:32,036 --> 00:39:34,095 HlV, of course, is a virus. 927 00:39:34,138 --> 00:39:38,165 In order for the virus to infect an uninfected cell, 928 00:39:38,209 --> 00:39:42,543 it needs to construct itself in a particular way. 929 00:39:42,580 --> 00:39:45,845 First, the viral RNA needs to transform itself 930 00:39:45,883 --> 00:39:48,010 into a DNA copy 931 00:39:48,052 --> 00:39:49,519 in order to knit itself 932 00:39:49,553 --> 00:39:53,011 into the nuclear DNA of the newly infected cell. 933 00:39:53,057 --> 00:39:56,686 This occurs by a process called reverse transcription. 934 00:39:56,727 --> 00:40:01,357 AZT and ddl were both originally developed 935 00:40:01,399 --> 00:40:06,029 to try to inhibit that process of establishing infection. 936 00:40:06,070 --> 00:40:08,038 A number of other researchers 937 00:40:08,072 --> 00:40:09,869 began to focus on another portion 938 00:40:09,907 --> 00:40:11,204 of the viral life cycle: 939 00:40:11,242 --> 00:40:13,676 after the cell is already infected. 940 00:40:13,711 --> 00:40:16,509 One of the steps that it takes is that����� 941 00:40:16,547 --> 00:40:19,880 is, it makes a viral protein. 942 00:40:19,917 --> 00:40:22,215 It has to snip that viral protein 943 00:40:22,253 --> 00:40:24,153 in very specific places. 944 00:40:24,188 --> 00:40:27,715 The resulting pieces self-assemble 945 00:40:27,758 --> 00:40:29,726 to make the viral particle. 946 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,387 And what does the snipping 947 00:40:31,429 --> 00:40:33,397 and what in fact controls the snipping 948 00:40:33,431 --> 00:40:36,559 is a viral protein called the protease. 949 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,728 If you genetically modify the viral protease 950 00:40:39,770 --> 00:40:41,067 so that it can no longer snip, 951 00:40:41,105 --> 00:40:42,902 the virus no longer has the ability 952 00:40:42,940 --> 00:40:45,738 to make those component pieces that it needs to make 953 00:40:45,776 --> 00:40:47,073 in order to self-assemble 954 00:40:47,111 --> 00:40:49,443 and make an infectious viral particle. 955 00:40:50,948 --> 00:40:54,577 - We solved the structure of HlV protease in 1 989 956 00:40:54,618 --> 00:40:57,086 and published it pretty quickly. 957 00:40:57,121 --> 00:40:59,589 I think����� I think we saw the structure, 958 00:40:59,623 --> 00:41:01,784 and within a few weeks, it was in the literature. 959 00:41:01,826 --> 00:41:03,054 - And then the question became, 960 00:41:03,093 --> 00:41:04,355 "All right, can we prove it?" 961 00:41:04,395 --> 00:41:06,420 Can we prove it that that is, in fact, the case? 962 00:41:06,464 --> 00:41:07,931 And most importantly, 963 00:41:07,965 --> 00:41:11,093 can we prove that if you inhibit that protease, 964 00:41:11,135 --> 00:41:12,932 if you knock out its activity, 965 00:41:12,970 --> 00:41:15,598 that the virus can no longer replicate 966 00:41:15,639 --> 00:41:17,937 and therefore make new progeny viral particles 967 00:41:17,975 --> 00:41:19,101 that would then go on 968 00:41:19,143 --> 00:41:20,770 and establish a new cycle of infection? 969 00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:28,118 [heartbeat thumping] 970 00:41:28,152 --> 00:41:29,847 - AlDS is now the leading cause of death 971 00:41:29,887 --> 00:41:31,115 for men under 44 972 00:41:31,155 --> 00:41:33,783 in New York and a half dozen other cities, 973 00:41:33,824 --> 00:41:36,292 surpassing homicide and all other diseases. 974 00:41:36,327 --> 00:41:38,727 Yet Roman Catholic bishops are meeting this week 975 00:41:38,762 --> 00:41:40,957 to publicly oppose the use of condoms 976 00:41:40,998 --> 00:41:42,932 as morally unacceptable. 977 00:41:42,967 --> 00:41:45,128 This puts them in direct opposition 978 00:41:45,169 --> 00:41:47,160 to U.S. public health policy. 979 00:41:48,639 --> 00:41:50,300 - The new church position 980 00:41:50,341 --> 00:41:53,469 condemns not only the immorality of condoms 981 00:41:53,511 --> 00:41:55,638 but their effectiveness as well. 982 00:41:55,679 --> 00:41:58,477 The draft under consideration in Baltimore this week 983 00:41:58,516 --> 00:42:00,711 says it is, "A virtual certainty 984 00:42:00,751 --> 00:42:02,981 "that reliance on condoms 985 00:42:03,020 --> 00:42:06,217 will result in transmission of AlDS. " 986 00:42:06,257 --> 00:42:08,088 Of the bishop's proposed new policy, 987 00:42:08,125 --> 00:42:10,593 New York City health commissioner Stephen Joseph 988 00:42:10,628 --> 00:42:11,686 says... 989 00:42:11,729 --> 00:42:13,822 - This would be a public health disaster. 990 00:42:13,864 --> 00:42:16,662 It would undoubtedly lead to more transmission, 991 00:42:16,700 --> 00:42:19,999 particularly in high-risk areas of the city, 992 00:42:20,037 --> 00:42:21,470 more disease and more death. 993 00:42:21,505 --> 00:42:23,166 - Catholic conservatives say 994 00:42:23,207 --> 00:42:24,674 not just physical death 995 00:42:24,708 --> 00:42:27,506 but spiritual death is at issue here. 996 00:42:27,545 --> 00:42:29,172 As New York City's archbishop, 997 00:42:29,213 --> 00:42:31,010 John Cardinal O'Connor put it... 998 00:42:31,048 --> 00:42:33,846 - The use of prophylactics is immoral 999 00:42:33,884 --> 00:42:36,978 in a pluralistic society or any other society. 1000 00:42:38,689 --> 00:42:40,350 - I think that's it, except, 1001 00:42:40,391 --> 00:42:42,359 of course, we have Ann Northrop 1002 00:42:42,393 --> 00:42:44,020 giving her sound bite technique. 1003 00:42:44,061 --> 00:42:47,053 [cheers and applause] 1004 00:42:53,571 --> 00:42:57,029 - Uh, we want everybody to join us, 1005 00:42:57,074 --> 00:42:58,541 to support us, 1006 00:42:58,576 --> 00:43:01,704 to destroy the power of the Catholic Church, 1007 00:43:01,745 --> 00:43:04,509 to make our side the strong one. 1008 00:43:04,548 --> 00:43:05,776 And to do that, 1009 00:43:05,816 --> 00:43:08,876 we must put out the message that we are the ones 1010 00:43:08,919 --> 00:43:12,184 who are fighting for people's lives, 1011 00:43:12,222 --> 00:43:14,554 and they are the murderers. 1012 00:43:14,592 --> 00:43:17,060 Don't be afraid of the media. 1013 00:43:17,094 --> 00:43:20,393 You're talking through them to the public. 1014 00:43:20,431 --> 00:43:25,562 We are trying to arouse, to anger an action. 1015 00:43:25,603 --> 00:43:29,232 And hone it down to, yes, a three-second bite, 1016 00:43:29,273 --> 00:43:31,241 a five-second bite, 1017 00:43:31,275 --> 00:43:33,903 just a phrase that will have an impact, 1018 00:43:33,944 --> 00:43:37,072 that will say something specific 1019 00:43:37,114 --> 00:43:40,083 and that will be understandable. 1020 00:43:40,117 --> 00:43:43,416 So... 1021 00:43:43,454 --> 00:43:46,446 [laughter and applause] 1022 00:43:49,059 --> 00:43:50,424 - Thanks for the advice. 1023 00:43:50,461 --> 00:43:53,589 - I don't have a phrase worked out, 1024 00:43:53,631 --> 00:43:56,532 and so you're all gonna have to create your own, 1025 00:43:56,567 --> 00:43:58,091 so this is empowerment. 1026 00:43:58,135 --> 00:44:01,127 [laughter] 1027 00:44:03,741 --> 00:44:05,003 - Act up! 1028 00:44:05,042 --> 00:44:07,033 Act up! 1029 00:44:07,077 --> 00:44:09,102 [chanting indistinctly] 1030 00:44:09,146 --> 00:44:10,943 - ? Answer me ? 1031 00:44:10,981 --> 00:44:12,949 ? Sweet Jesus ? 1032 00:44:12,983 --> 00:44:16,942 ? Won't you help me? ? 1033 00:44:16,987 --> 00:44:18,477 - Please, you're interfering with us. 1034 00:44:18,522 --> 00:44:20,183 Step back. - This is Jesus Christ. 1035 00:44:20,224 --> 00:44:23,125 I'm in front of St. Patrick's Cathedral on Sunday. 1036 00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,788 We're here reporting on a major AlDS activist 1037 00:44:25,829 --> 00:44:28,127 and abortion-rights activist demonstration, 1038 00:44:28,165 --> 00:44:30,463 which will be taking place here all morning. 1039 00:44:30,501 --> 00:44:32,969 Inside, Cardinal O'Connor 1040 00:44:33,003 --> 00:44:35,471 is busy spreading his lies and rumors 1041 00:44:35,506 --> 00:44:37,804 about the position of lesbians and gays. 1042 00:44:37,841 --> 00:44:41,004 We're here to say we want to go to heaven too. 1043 00:44:58,362 --> 00:45:01,058 - J.C. here with the Fire and Brimstone Network, 1044 00:45:01,098 --> 00:45:02,497 and we'd like to ask you a little bit 1045 00:45:02,533 --> 00:45:05,900 about this large vision that you've visited upon us. 1046 00:45:05,936 --> 00:45:07,801 - Well, we've decided to rename the cardinal. 1047 00:45:07,838 --> 00:45:09,999 He's now Cardinal O'Condom. 1048 00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,270 This is our message to him that condoms are safe. 1049 00:45:12,309 --> 00:45:13,469 It's no sin. 1050 00:45:22,186 --> 00:45:25,178 [crowd shouting] 1051 00:45:37,868 --> 00:45:42,532 [whistle blows, people murmuring] 1052 00:45:42,573 --> 00:45:44,336 - Stop killing us! 1053 00:45:44,374 --> 00:45:48,208 Stop killing us! Stop killing us! 1054 00:45:48,245 --> 00:45:50,304 We're not gonna take it anymore! 1055 00:45:50,347 --> 00:45:51,814 You're killing us! 1056 00:45:51,849 --> 00:45:54,443 Stop it! Stop it! 1057 00:45:54,485 --> 00:45:55,747 Stop it! 1058 00:45:55,786 --> 00:45:57,014 crowd: Stop it! 1059 00:45:57,054 --> 00:45:59,648 Stop it! Stop it! 1060 00:45:59,690 --> 00:46:00,850 Stop it! 1061 00:46:00,891 --> 00:46:02,916 [organ music playing] 1062 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:04,894 - How many more have to die? 1063 00:46:04,928 --> 00:46:06,953 How many more have to die? 1064 00:46:06,997 --> 00:46:09,727 Saving lives is morally right! 1065 00:46:09,767 --> 00:46:11,257 - Those protesting 1066 00:46:11,301 --> 00:46:13,064 believe that the protests will result 1067 00:46:13,103 --> 00:46:17,062 in some change of environment, 1068 00:46:17,107 --> 00:46:20,076 some change of attitudes, perhaps. 1069 00:46:20,110 --> 00:46:21,737 The church will be teaching 1070 00:46:21,779 --> 00:46:24,748 that homosexual activity is sinful, 1071 00:46:24,782 --> 00:46:25,908 until the end of time. 1072 00:46:25,949 --> 00:46:27,075 That won't change. 1073 00:46:27,117 --> 00:46:28,584 [carefree music] 1074 00:46:28,619 --> 00:46:29,586 [camera clicks] 1075 00:46:29,620 --> 00:46:33,078 ? ? 1076 00:46:33,123 --> 00:46:35,990 - This is July 22, 1 989. 1077 00:46:36,026 --> 00:46:37,084 Now, Sara, 1078 00:46:37,127 --> 00:46:39,687 what do you think about your dad being 44? 1079 00:46:39,730 --> 00:46:40,754 - Good. 1080 00:46:40,798 --> 00:46:42,288 [laughter] 1081 00:46:42,332 --> 00:46:44,095 - Thank you. Thank you for your support. 1082 00:46:44,134 --> 00:46:46,295 One, two, three. 1083 00:46:49,072 --> 00:46:50,096 Yay! [applauding] 1084 00:46:50,140 --> 00:46:53,109 We did it. 1085 00:46:53,143 --> 00:46:54,201 A lot of smoke. 1086 00:46:54,244 --> 00:46:55,404 - Oh, boy. 1087 00:46:55,445 --> 00:46:57,106 - I wish those candles would stop smoking. 1088 00:46:57,147 --> 00:46:58,273 It's bad for their health. 1089 00:46:58,315 --> 00:46:59,407 - That's right. 1090 00:46:59,449 --> 00:47:01,610 Okay, Robert Rafsky, do you have any remarks 1091 00:47:01,652 --> 00:47:03,517 before you jump off the edge of the porch? 1092 00:47:03,554 --> 00:47:05,784 - I have no interest in jumping off the edge of the porch. 1093 00:47:05,823 --> 00:47:06,949 I will jump up and down. 1094 00:47:06,990 --> 00:47:08,787 I think 44 is a very fine age. 1095 00:47:08,826 --> 00:47:10,293 It has a nice symmetry to it. 1096 00:47:10,327 --> 00:47:12,124 It has a nice feeling to it. 1097 00:47:12,162 --> 00:47:15,188 It's, uh, better than 22 and possibly better than 88. 1098 00:47:15,232 --> 00:47:16,290 We'll see. 1099 00:47:16,333 --> 00:47:17,960 - [laughs] 1100 00:47:18,001 --> 00:47:19,901 - Here's how we planned this. 1101 00:47:19,937 --> 00:47:21,427 What we want to do 1102 00:47:21,471 --> 00:47:24,463 is run this like a Treatment and Data meeting. 1103 00:47:24,508 --> 00:47:26,533 A number of times, we've had people 1104 00:47:26,577 --> 00:47:27,976 come to a Treatment and Data meeting 1105 00:47:28,011 --> 00:47:30,639 and speak on certain issues. 1106 00:47:30,681 --> 00:47:32,148 We try to get in depth. 1107 00:47:32,182 --> 00:47:34,309 We try to nail issues down. 1108 00:47:34,351 --> 00:47:36,319 This isn't a free-for-all. 1109 00:47:36,353 --> 00:47:38,981 Let's call it a working confrontation. 1110 00:47:39,022 --> 00:47:40,990 So why don't we start? 1111 00:47:41,024 --> 00:47:43,151 This is Dr. Anthony Fauci. 1112 00:47:43,193 --> 00:47:45,093 Bob Rafsky. 1113 00:47:45,128 --> 00:47:46,652 - I may be wrong, Dr. Fauci, 1114 00:47:46,697 --> 00:47:48,995 but it's my understanding 1115 00:47:49,032 --> 00:47:52,490 that thousands of people died from pneumonia 1116 00:47:52,536 --> 00:47:55,664 because there was no priority within the government 1117 00:47:55,706 --> 00:47:58,334 or within the medical system as a whole 1118 00:47:58,375 --> 00:48:01,003 to push the known preventative treatments 1119 00:48:01,044 --> 00:48:02,602 for a long time. 1120 00:48:02,646 --> 00:48:05,342 Now, those thousands of people are dead. 1121 00:48:05,382 --> 00:48:07,179 It would seem to me that someone 1122 00:48:07,217 --> 00:48:10,448 who was within the government while that took place, 1123 00:48:10,487 --> 00:48:11,852 as you were, 1124 00:48:11,889 --> 00:48:15,620 must have on their conscience these deaths. 1125 00:48:15,659 --> 00:48:17,354 - That is a tough one, um... 1126 00:48:17,394 --> 00:48:19,225 [audience exclaims] No, it really is. 1127 00:48:19,263 --> 00:48:21,993 It's inexcusable that an academic priority 1128 00:48:22,032 --> 00:48:24,432 should ever, ever come before 1129 00:48:24,468 --> 00:48:26,459 the health of the people that you're working with. 1130 00:48:26,503 --> 00:48:27,765 There's no question about that. 1131 00:48:27,804 --> 00:48:30,830 But the reality of the situation is, 1132 00:48:30,874 --> 00:48:34,207 there was a great reluctance 1133 00:48:34,244 --> 00:48:37,873 among the community of everything 1134 00:48:37,915 --> 00:48:40,213 from the scientists to the Congress 1135 00:48:40,250 --> 00:48:42,844 saying that what we should be doing 1136 00:48:42,886 --> 00:48:47,050 is not telling investigators what to do, 1137 00:48:47,090 --> 00:48:49,388 but we should allow them to do 1138 00:48:49,426 --> 00:48:51,223 what they feel is the most important. 1139 00:48:51,261 --> 00:48:52,888 Now, that sounds awful 1140 00:48:52,930 --> 00:48:54,727 when you're putting it in the context 1141 00:48:54,765 --> 00:48:56,790 of what we're talking about here, 1142 00:48:56,833 --> 00:48:59,233 but the whole world isn't in this room. 1143 00:48:59,269 --> 00:49:01,134 crowd: Every 1 2 minutes, someone dies! 1144 00:49:01,171 --> 00:49:03,901 Protests won me a Nobel Prize! 1145 00:49:03,941 --> 00:49:06,136 Every 1 2 minutes, someone dies! 1146 00:49:06,176 --> 00:49:08,576 [chanting continues indistinctly] 1147 00:49:08,612 --> 00:49:10,739 - AlDS activists stormed the government's 1148 00:49:10,781 --> 00:49:12,749 premiere disease research center. 1149 00:49:12,783 --> 00:49:14,410 The National lnstitutes of Health 1150 00:49:14,451 --> 00:49:16,749 is where an AlDS cure might be found. 1151 00:49:16,787 --> 00:49:18,414 It is where therapies are being tested 1152 00:49:18,455 --> 00:49:19,752 in clinical trials. 1153 00:49:19,790 --> 00:49:21,314 crowd: No more secret meetings! 1154 00:49:21,358 --> 00:49:22,586 No more secret... 1155 00:49:22,626 --> 00:49:24,924 - Demonstrators blocked access to buildings. 1156 00:49:24,962 --> 00:49:27,260 Scientists and administrators reporting to work 1157 00:49:27,297 --> 00:49:29,857 stood around looking confused. 1158 00:49:29,900 --> 00:49:31,629 Activists charged the Bush administration 1159 00:49:31,668 --> 00:49:34,136 with foot-dragging on AlDS research. 1160 00:49:34,171 --> 00:49:36,435 It's not the amount of federal money allocated to it 1161 00:49:36,473 --> 00:49:39,465 so much as how research priorities are defined. 1162 00:49:39,509 --> 00:49:41,272 - We need new drugs to keep people alive, 1163 00:49:41,311 --> 00:49:43,438 but the NlH is only testing old drugs, 1164 00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:44,708 drugs that we already have. 1165 00:49:44,748 --> 00:49:46,113 - Can you tell us what you're doing? 1166 00:49:46,149 --> 00:49:47,616 - Hi, I'm Jim Jenson, 1167 00:49:47,651 --> 00:49:49,448 and I'm in a clinical trial here. 1168 00:49:49,486 --> 00:49:50,578 And right now, 1169 00:49:50,620 --> 00:49:52,611 I'm observing and participating in 1170 00:49:52,656 --> 00:49:54,123 the ACT UP demonstration. 1171 00:49:54,157 --> 00:49:55,749 - Why? Why do you support this action? 1172 00:49:55,792 --> 00:49:58,625 - Because we need far more AlDS research. 1173 00:49:58,662 --> 00:49:59,788 And we're just beginning. 1174 00:49:59,830 --> 00:50:01,195 - What trial are you in? 1175 00:50:01,231 --> 00:50:04,792 - I'm in interleukin-2 AZT combination study. 1176 00:50:04,835 --> 00:50:06,462 - Are there any women in your trial? 1177 00:50:06,503 --> 00:50:07,970 - No, there aren't any women at all. 1178 00:50:08,005 --> 00:50:09,131 - People of color? 1179 00:50:09,172 --> 00:50:10,799 - Uh, no, there are not. 1180 00:50:10,841 --> 00:50:12,035 - Why do you think that is? 1181 00:50:12,075 --> 00:50:13,064 - [laughs] 1182 00:50:13,110 --> 00:50:14,975 Just the beginning of the problem. 1183 00:50:15,012 --> 00:50:16,343 crowd: Murder, murder! 1184 00:50:16,380 --> 00:50:17,506 - There are three major things 1185 00:50:17,547 --> 00:50:18,980 that control NlH research: 1186 00:50:19,016 --> 00:50:21,985 stupidity, incompetence, and greed. 1187 00:50:22,019 --> 00:50:23,816 Those are the three major driving forces 1188 00:50:23,854 --> 00:50:24,980 behind what's going on here 1189 00:50:25,022 --> 00:50:26,614 and why there are no treatments out there 1190 00:50:26,656 --> 00:50:28,089 for people living with this disease. 1191 00:50:28,125 --> 00:50:29,319 [crowd shouting] 1192 00:50:29,359 --> 00:50:30,656 In that building down that way, 1193 00:50:30,694 --> 00:50:33,322 Dr. Anthony Fauci is deciding the research priorities 1194 00:50:33,363 --> 00:50:34,421 for the National lnstitutes 1195 00:50:34,464 --> 00:50:36,557 of Allergy and lnfectious Diseases. 1196 00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:37,897 We're down here 'cause we think 1197 00:50:37,934 --> 00:50:39,526 we should be deciding the research priorities, 1198 00:50:39,569 --> 00:50:41,298 because these are the people who know what's going on 1199 00:50:41,338 --> 00:50:42,999 'cause they're dealing with it every day. 1200 00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,999 [crowd shouting and cheering] 1201 00:50:47,044 --> 00:50:50,844 [whistle blowing] 1202 00:50:50,881 --> 00:50:53,349 [people shouting indistinctly] 1203 00:50:53,383 --> 00:50:55,214 crowd: The whole world is watching! 1204 00:50:55,252 --> 00:50:57,015 The whole world is watching! 1205 00:50:57,054 --> 00:50:58,851 The whole world is watching! 1206 00:50:58,889 --> 00:51:00,516 The whole world is watching! 1207 00:51:00,557 --> 00:51:02,320 The whole world is watching! 1208 00:51:02,359 --> 00:51:04,350 The whole world is watching! 1209 00:51:04,394 --> 00:51:06,589 The whole world is watching! 1210 00:51:06,630 --> 00:51:08,188 The whole world is watching! 1211 00:51:08,231 --> 00:51:10,028 The whole world is watching! 1212 00:51:10,067 --> 00:51:14,367 [crowd shouting indistinctly] 1213 00:51:14,404 --> 00:51:18,033 [drums beating, indistinct shouting] 1214 00:51:38,595 --> 00:51:40,893 [smashing] 1215 00:51:40,931 --> 00:51:43,058 - If anything, the mood after the NlH 1216 00:51:43,100 --> 00:51:44,897 was even bleaker than the mood before, 1217 00:51:44,935 --> 00:51:46,266 because we had no indication 1218 00:51:46,303 --> 00:51:49,898 that they were gonna change or respond to our demands, 1219 00:51:49,940 --> 00:51:52,238 and we had in fact had a meeting with them in Bethesda 1220 00:51:52,275 --> 00:51:53,401 after the NlH action 1221 00:51:53,443 --> 00:51:55,411 that indicated that there was total resistance 1222 00:51:55,445 --> 00:51:57,242 to putting people from the community 1223 00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:58,577 on the research committees, 1224 00:51:58,615 --> 00:52:01,243 to letting the ACT UP observers attend the meetings, 1225 00:52:01,284 --> 00:52:02,410 and to open up the meetings 1226 00:52:02,452 --> 00:52:03,919 so that they weren't secret anymore. 1227 00:52:03,954 --> 00:52:05,751 Why should science be shrouded in secrecy? 1228 00:52:05,789 --> 00:52:08,758 It's supposed to be based on a free exchange of ideas. 1229 00:52:08,792 --> 00:52:12,626 And so it was very important to stage in San Francisco���� 1230 00:52:12,662 --> 00:52:15,096 before, again, the global community of scientists 1231 00:52:15,132 --> 00:52:16,599 and people working on AlDS���� 1232 00:52:16,633 --> 00:52:18,430 why we had been at the NlH, 1233 00:52:18,468 --> 00:52:20,936 why the U.S. system wasn't working out, 1234 00:52:20,971 --> 00:52:22,939 and to reach the people directly 1235 00:52:22,973 --> 00:52:26,602 that we had reached symbolically through the NlH action. 1236 00:52:26,643 --> 00:52:29,635 [indistinct chatter] 1237 00:52:32,582 --> 00:52:35,574 [indistinct chatter] 1238 00:52:40,824 --> 00:52:43,122 - About 1 00 protesters have already been arrested 1239 00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:44,684 at the lnternational AlDS Conference 1240 00:52:44,728 --> 00:52:47,026 that began today in San Francisco. 1241 00:52:47,063 --> 00:52:48,860 Hundreds more are angrily protesting 1242 00:52:48,899 --> 00:52:50,093 a government policy 1243 00:52:50,133 --> 00:52:54,035 they say neglects research and ostracizes victims. 1244 00:52:54,070 --> 00:52:56,561 - Why don't you do an informational slide first? 1245 00:52:56,606 --> 00:52:58,801 "United States has the most discriminatory 1246 00:52:58,842 --> 00:53:00,969 immigration policies regarding HlV." 1247 00:53:01,011 --> 00:53:06,142 - I could say, you know, as a way to bridge the, uh���� 1248 00:53:06,183 --> 00:53:09,311 the rift between the scientific community����all of you���� 1249 00:53:09,352 --> 00:53:12,981 and the activists, we'd like you to join in some activism. 1250 00:53:13,023 --> 00:53:14,991 And I've always been painfully aware 1251 00:53:15,025 --> 00:53:18,324 that in order for me to beat this virus and live, 1252 00:53:18,361 --> 00:53:20,522 I will need a great deal of help from all of you. 1253 00:53:22,532 --> 00:53:23,999 Can we all, 1254 00:53:24,034 --> 00:53:25,160 before it's too late, 1255 00:53:25,202 --> 00:53:27,830 begin to understand each other? 1256 00:53:27,871 --> 00:53:33,173 Will we realize that we share similar motivations? 1257 00:53:33,210 --> 00:53:34,768 During the upcoming days, 1258 00:53:34,811 --> 00:53:37,006 ACT UP New York will be handing out 1259 00:53:37,047 --> 00:53:38,844 our AlDS Treatment Agenda, 1260 00:53:38,882 --> 00:53:41,350 which includes a list of 99 drugs 1261 00:53:41,384 --> 00:53:43,011 that we believe could be ready 1262 00:53:43,053 --> 00:53:46,545 for small Phase I studies this year or next. 1263 00:53:48,225 --> 00:53:50,853 However, from your side, 1264 00:53:50,894 --> 00:53:54,694 we're being constantly told to butt out. 1265 00:53:54,731 --> 00:53:58,531 On my side, the level of anger and frustration 1266 00:53:58,568 --> 00:54:00,195 is reaching such a point 1267 00:54:00,237 --> 00:54:04,537 that attitudes claiming that all of you are uncaring 1268 00:54:04,574 --> 00:54:08,704 and in it for greed are now widespread. 1269 00:54:08,745 --> 00:54:11,373 While at times we may offend you, 1270 00:54:11,414 --> 00:54:14,042 remember as well that like you, 1271 00:54:14,084 --> 00:54:17,383 ACT UP has succeeded in prolonging the lives 1272 00:54:17,420 --> 00:54:20,389 of thousands of people living with HlV disease. 1273 00:54:20,423 --> 00:54:25,053 [cheers and applause] 1274 00:54:25,095 --> 00:54:28,064 I would like to be joined in front of the stage 1275 00:54:28,098 --> 00:54:30,225 by my fellow AlDS activists. 1276 00:54:30,267 --> 00:54:31,495 Would you all come up? 1277 00:54:31,534 --> 00:54:32,660 [applause] 1278 00:54:32,702 --> 00:54:37,401 At this moment, there are others just like us 1279 00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,408 who are trying to get into this conference 1280 00:54:39,442 --> 00:54:41,569 but are being barred by the billy clubs 1281 00:54:41,611 --> 00:54:43,738 of San Francisco police. 1282 00:54:43,780 --> 00:54:45,748 And there are still others like us 1283 00:54:45,782 --> 00:54:47,409 who are trying to get through customs 1284 00:54:47,450 --> 00:54:49,247 at the San Francisco airport 1285 00:54:49,286 --> 00:54:52,949 but are being detained instead because they are gay. 1286 00:54:52,989 --> 00:54:56,254 There's a man that could have prevented these absurdities. 1287 00:54:56,293 --> 00:54:57,590 This man has said that 1288 00:54:57,627 --> 00:55:00,755 he would like to see a kinder, gentler nation. 1289 00:55:00,797 --> 00:55:03,095 If you believe that the immigration policy 1290 00:55:03,133 --> 00:55:05,260 barring people living with HlV disease 1291 00:55:05,302 --> 00:55:08,100 from entering this country is useless as a health policy 1292 00:55:08,138 --> 00:55:09,935 and discriminatory as well, 1293 00:55:09,973 --> 00:55:14,774 please stand now and remain standing. 1294 00:55:14,811 --> 00:55:16,608 [cheering and applause] 1295 00:55:16,646 --> 00:55:20,104 Join us in vocalizing our collective anger. 1296 00:55:20,150 --> 00:55:22,448 Join us in a chant against the man 1297 00:55:22,485 --> 00:55:24,282 who could bring down the lNS barriers. 1298 00:55:24,321 --> 00:55:26,949 Join us in a chant against the man 1299 00:55:26,990 --> 00:55:28,082 who has decided to show 1300 00:55:28,124 --> 00:55:29,785 his commitment to fighting AlDS 1301 00:55:29,826 --> 00:55:31,794 by refusing to be here today. 1302 00:55:31,828 --> 00:55:34,797 Instead, he is, at this very moment, 1303 00:55:34,831 --> 00:55:37,698 in North Carolina, attending a fund-raiser 1304 00:55:37,734 --> 00:55:40,965 for the homophobic author of the lNS barriers, 1305 00:55:41,004 --> 00:55:43,302 that pig in the senate known as Jesse Helms. 1306 00:55:43,340 --> 00:55:44,637 [crowd boos and jeers] 1307 00:55:44,674 --> 00:55:46,608 Join us in this chant: 1308 00:55:46,643 --> 00:55:48,474 300,000 dead from AlDS. 1309 00:55:48,511 --> 00:55:50,479 Where is George? 1310 00:55:50,513 --> 00:55:52,981 crowd: 300,000 dead from AlDS. 1311 00:55:53,016 --> 00:55:54,643 Where is George? 1312 00:55:54,684 --> 00:55:56,845 300,000 dead from AlDS. 1313 00:55:56,886 --> 00:55:58,786 Where is George? 1314 00:55:58,822 --> 00:56:01,154 300,000 dead from AlDS. 1315 00:56:01,191 --> 00:56:03,284 Where is George? 1316 00:56:03,326 --> 00:56:05,487 - You can all now consider yourselves 1317 00:56:05,528 --> 00:56:07,155 members of ACT UP. 1318 00:56:07,197 --> 00:56:10,189 [cheers and applause] 1319 00:56:15,372 --> 00:56:17,499 - One of the things that happened in San Francisco 1320 00:56:17,540 --> 00:56:21,340 was that we found out we had won some of our NlH demands. 1321 00:56:21,378 --> 00:56:23,505 Fauci came up to me and said, "We had a meeting. 1322 00:56:23,546 --> 00:56:24,945 "We decided that we're gonna put you guys 1323 00:56:24,981 --> 00:56:26,414 "on all the committees, 1324 00:56:26,449 --> 00:56:28,144 "and we're gonna let your observers go to the meetings, 1325 00:56:28,184 --> 00:56:29,481 and the meetings won't be secret anymore." 1326 00:56:29,519 --> 00:56:32,977 - Never again 1327 00:56:33,022 --> 00:56:36,185 could any of this be done 1328 00:56:36,226 --> 00:56:39,525 without taking people with AlDS and their advocates 1329 00:56:39,562 --> 00:56:41,189 into consideration. 1330 00:56:41,231 --> 00:56:47,067 This would be public business from now on. 1331 00:56:47,103 --> 00:56:49,367 - You know, we should all be going through the bushes 1332 00:56:49,406 --> 00:56:52,534 Iike this, like, sticking our heads up. 1333 00:56:52,575 --> 00:56:54,338 It was beginning to feel a little different 1334 00:56:54,377 --> 00:56:56,242 because we'd spent all the time up until then 1335 00:56:56,279 --> 00:56:57,541 being on the outside, 1336 00:56:57,580 --> 00:56:59,707 sort of beating on the doors and trying to get in, 1337 00:56:59,749 --> 00:57:02,217 and now they actually wanted to hear what we had to say. 1338 00:57:02,252 --> 00:57:05,221 [peaceful music] 1339 00:57:05,255 --> 00:57:13,253 ? ? 1340 00:57:19,269 --> 00:57:21,237 - We brought them in at Merck. 1341 00:57:21,271 --> 00:57:23,899 We made�����we made a very specific effort 1342 00:57:23,940 --> 00:57:25,567 to bring those individuals in 1343 00:57:25,608 --> 00:57:28,168 so that they would see what it is that we were doing���� 1344 00:57:28,211 --> 00:57:29,838 or trying to do���� from the very beginning. 1345 00:57:29,879 --> 00:57:32,404 - This was really fantastic stuff 1346 00:57:32,449 --> 00:57:35,577 because we were sitting down with them, and���� 1347 00:57:35,618 --> 00:57:37,916 sometimes from the very earliest stages 1348 00:57:37,954 --> 00:57:39,251 of the development of a drug���� 1349 00:57:39,289 --> 00:57:41,757 and helping them plot out their strategy 1350 00:57:41,791 --> 00:57:44,123 toward designing clinical trials. 1351 00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:46,594 - The chemists who had worked on the project, 1352 00:57:46,629 --> 00:57:48,529 a bunch����� a couple chemists said, 1353 00:57:48,565 --> 00:57:51,363 "Let's look at all the aspartic protease inhibitors 1354 00:57:51,401 --> 00:57:52,766 that we have on the shelf." 1355 00:57:52,802 --> 00:57:54,269 And they tested 'em, 1356 00:57:54,304 --> 00:57:57,137 and they found a few molecules that actually worked. 1357 00:57:57,173 --> 00:57:59,607 The challenge was, is now you had these molecules 1358 00:57:59,642 --> 00:58:02,941 that were really good inhibitors in your assay, 1359 00:58:02,979 --> 00:58:04,776 which is just in a test tube. 1360 00:58:04,814 --> 00:58:06,441 When you put it into animals, 1361 00:58:06,483 --> 00:58:07,609 they just would never work, 1362 00:58:07,650 --> 00:58:09,948 or they would never get absorbed by your system. 1363 00:58:09,986 --> 00:58:11,544 - And I remember being very disappointed 1364 00:58:11,588 --> 00:58:13,249 'cause I had to share this information 1365 00:58:13,289 --> 00:58:15,951 with sort of my own personal view, which was, 1366 00:58:15,992 --> 00:58:17,459 this is gonna be a lot more difficult than, 1367 00:58:17,494 --> 00:58:19,121 you know, we thought it was gonna be originally 1368 00:58:19,162 --> 00:58:20,789 and in fact may not be possible. 1369 00:58:20,830 --> 00:58:22,798 And Bill Bahlman said, "Take a break, 1370 00:58:22,832 --> 00:58:24,959 pick yourself up, and go back at it." 1371 00:58:25,001 --> 00:58:28,300 If he and his colleagues and his friends around the table 1372 00:58:28,338 --> 00:58:29,965 can take that attitude and do that, 1373 00:58:30,006 --> 00:58:31,337 I remember saying to myself, 1374 00:58:31,374 --> 00:58:33,968 "Emilio, you've got no right to say to yourself, 1375 00:58:34,010 --> 00:58:36,376 'l don't know if I can do this,' all right?" 1376 00:58:36,412 --> 00:58:39,142 And so off we went. 1377 00:58:39,182 --> 00:58:41,309 And we kept going at it. 1378 00:58:41,351 --> 00:58:44,843 - We're spending $4 billion a year on AlDS research. 1379 00:58:44,888 --> 00:58:47,152 When you consider that on a per capita basis for���� 1380 00:58:47,190 --> 00:58:49,488 compared to heart disease or cancer, 1381 00:58:49,526 --> 00:58:50,823 it's an awful lot. 1382 00:58:50,860 --> 00:58:53,158 - Almost nothing stops George Bush 1383 00:58:53,196 --> 00:58:54,322 from a round of golf. 1384 00:58:54,364 --> 00:58:55,831 He's played nearly every day- 1385 00:58:55,865 --> 00:58:57,332 and sometimes twice a day- 1386 00:58:57,367 --> 00:58:58,834 during his August vacation. 1387 00:58:58,868 --> 00:59:02,099 [upbeat jazzy music] 1388 00:59:02,138 --> 00:59:03,332 - ? I'll be glad ? 1389 00:59:03,373 --> 00:59:05,204 ? When you're dead, you rascal, you ? 1390 00:59:05,241 --> 00:59:06,208 - ? Rascal, you ? 1391 00:59:06,242 --> 00:59:07,504 - ? I'll be laughin' ? 1392 00:59:07,544 --> 00:59:09,444 ? When you're in your grave, you dog ? 1393 00:59:09,479 --> 00:59:10,741 - ? Dirty dog ? 1394 00:59:10,780 --> 00:59:12,509 - ? When you're dead and in your grave ? 1395 00:59:12,549 --> 00:59:14,517 ? No more ravioli will you crave ? 1396 00:59:14,551 --> 00:59:16,678 - If the message is research, 1397 00:59:16,719 --> 00:59:18,516 I would say please talk to Dr. Fauci 1398 00:59:18,555 --> 00:59:20,853 and others at the National lnstitute of Health, 1399 00:59:20,890 --> 00:59:22,585 who will tell you that 1400 00:59:22,625 --> 00:59:26,026 we're doing pretty well in funding of research. 1401 00:59:26,062 --> 00:59:27,154 - ? Dirty dog ? 1402 00:59:27,196 --> 00:59:29,426 - ? I invite you to my house for a meal ? 1403 00:59:29,465 --> 00:59:31,990 ? All my meatballs you tried to steal ? 1404 00:59:32,035 --> 00:59:33,366 ? Mm ? 1405 00:59:33,403 --> 00:59:35,667 ? You're a devil, yeah ? 1406 00:59:35,705 --> 00:59:37,764 - Act up! Fight back! 1407 00:59:37,807 --> 00:59:38,865 Fight AlDS! 1408 00:59:38,908 --> 00:59:46,906 ? ? 1409 00:59:50,286 --> 00:59:52,516 - We've got to factor in 1410 00:59:52,555 --> 00:59:58,084 the sensitivity of those of us 1411 00:59:58,127 --> 01:00:03,565 who feel that there's a spiritual and moral aspect 1412 01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:07,400 to this playing to the homosexual, 1413 01:00:07,437 --> 01:00:08,597 Iesbian crowd. 1414 01:00:09,839 --> 01:00:12,967 It makes it different from anything else. 1415 01:00:13,009 --> 01:00:14,306 - Oh, sh���� 1416 01:00:14,344 --> 01:00:17,074 - I wish they'd shut their mouths and go to work 1417 01:00:17,113 --> 01:00:19,411 and keep their private matters to themselves 1418 01:00:19,449 --> 01:00:22,043 and get their mentality out of their crotches. 1419 01:00:22,085 --> 01:00:23,985 - I'm here today because Jesse Helms is the devil. 1420 01:00:24,020 --> 01:00:25,920 Jesse Helms has worked for years 1421 01:00:25,955 --> 01:00:27,582 to do as much as he possibly can 1422 01:00:27,624 --> 01:00:29,524 to ensure the continuance of the AlDS epidemic. 1423 01:00:29,559 --> 01:00:31,424 - The disease is spreading because of him, 1424 01:00:31,461 --> 01:00:33,486 and people are dying because of him. 1425 01:00:33,529 --> 01:00:34,928 - This is an educational effort. 1426 01:00:34,964 --> 01:00:37,228 It's not a violation of people's property rights. 1427 01:00:37,266 --> 01:00:39,826 We've been very careful that absolutely no damage is done, 1428 01:00:39,869 --> 01:00:41,268 and if any damage is done, 1429 01:00:41,304 --> 01:00:43,602 whatever it is, we'll be happy to pay for it. 1430 01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:47,406 We have the money with us to pay for it. 1431 01:00:47,443 --> 01:00:48,876 - You guys don't want to tangle with these people 1432 01:00:48,911 --> 01:00:49,900 'cause you don't want to get AlDS. 1433 01:00:49,946 --> 01:00:51,971 I know, but what's next? 1434 01:00:52,015 --> 01:00:53,642 Come on, get out. 1435 01:00:53,683 --> 01:00:55,617 - If they would keep their mouths shut 1436 01:00:55,652 --> 01:00:57,119 and go about their business 1437 01:00:57,153 --> 01:00:59,781 with whatever their sexual orientation is, 1438 01:00:59,822 --> 01:01:01,016 nobody would ever say a word, 1439 01:01:01,057 --> 01:01:02,615 and we wouldn't know anything about it. 1440 01:01:02,659 --> 01:01:04,286 But, no, they march in the streets, 1441 01:01:04,327 --> 01:01:08,127 and they defy you to say anything about it. 1442 01:01:08,164 --> 01:01:10,064 Well, they don't like me, and I don't like them. 1443 01:01:10,099 --> 01:01:11,464 - Back off the property. 1444 01:01:11,501 --> 01:01:14,368 - Bunch of 'em climbed up on my house in Arlington 1445 01:01:14,404 --> 01:01:19,273 and hoisted about a 35-foot canvas, uh, condom, 1446 01:01:19,308 --> 01:01:21,469 one day, in protest of me. 1447 01:01:21,511 --> 01:01:23,445 [upbeat jazzy music, cheering] 1448 01:01:23,479 --> 01:01:24,571 - Fight AlDS! Fight AlDS! 1449 01:01:24,614 --> 01:01:27,014 Fight AlDS! Fight! 1450 01:01:27,050 --> 01:01:28,244 - ? I'll be glad ? 1451 01:01:28,284 --> 01:01:32,584 ? When you're dead, you rascal, you ? 1452 01:01:32,622 --> 01:01:33,680 [music fades and ends] 1453 01:01:33,723 --> 01:01:35,190 - Sir, when we started this colloquy, 1454 01:01:35,224 --> 01:01:36,714 I thought I was on your side, 1455 01:01:36,759 --> 01:01:39,227 particularly on the First Amendment. 1456 01:01:39,262 --> 01:01:40,524 And under the First Amendment, 1457 01:01:40,563 --> 01:01:42,121 people don't have to shut their mouths. 1458 01:01:42,165 --> 01:01:44,497 They have a right to speak. 1459 01:01:44,534 --> 01:01:47,970 - Well, uh...they can speak, 1460 01:01:48,004 --> 01:01:50,131 uh, just so long as, uh, 1461 01:01:50,173 --> 01:01:51,800 they don't offend anybody else, 1462 01:01:51,841 --> 01:01:53,741 uh, I suppose. 1463 01:01:53,776 --> 01:01:59,180 [monks vocalizing] 1464 01:01:59,215 --> 01:02:01,513 - Make sure your second coming 1465 01:02:01,551 --> 01:02:03,382 is a safe one. 1466 01:02:06,222 --> 01:02:08,520 Use condoms. 1467 01:02:08,558 --> 01:02:09,855 Are you shooting? 1468 01:02:09,892 --> 01:02:11,189 - Yeah. 1469 01:02:11,227 --> 01:02:15,288 I just turned it on. 1470 01:02:15,331 --> 01:02:16,889 Okay, rolling. 1471 01:02:21,904 --> 01:02:23,030 Tell him we're rolling. 1472 01:02:23,072 --> 01:02:24,198 - The machine is rolling. 1473 01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:26,731 You can start talking now, honey. 1474 01:02:26,776 --> 01:02:29,870 - Oh, I didn't know she meant now. 1475 01:02:29,912 --> 01:02:32,710 What I was gonna say was, I just love���� 1476 01:02:32,749 --> 01:02:36,241 I love so much to go up to the tenth floor 1477 01:02:36,285 --> 01:02:40,722 because no one ever had explained to me 1478 01:02:40,757 --> 01:02:46,559 that there was going to be light again in the world 1479 01:02:46,596 --> 01:02:51,363 and that the whole world wasn't going to be dark. 1480 01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:56,736 Some great challenges face us as young people. 1481 01:02:56,773 --> 01:02:59,742 We're in our 20s, and���� 1482 01:02:59,776 --> 01:03:01,573 and this is the challenge 1483 01:03:01,611 --> 01:03:04,239 that's been placed in front of me. 1484 01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:06,805 And, who knows, little camera. 1485 01:03:06,849 --> 01:03:10,080 Lots of other blind, deaf men 1486 01:03:10,119 --> 01:03:12,451 have lived happy lives. 1487 01:03:14,290 --> 01:03:18,624 There are����� there are many years to come. 1488 01:03:19,962 --> 01:03:21,930 Let's hope. 1489 01:03:21,964 --> 01:03:23,795 So... 1490 01:03:26,135 --> 01:03:28,103 What the hell? 1491 01:03:28,137 --> 01:03:29,263 Life is worth living. 1492 01:03:29,305 --> 01:03:31,796 [chuckles] lsn't it? 1493 01:03:42,552 --> 01:03:47,285 - The death rate just kept on climbing. 1494 01:03:47,323 --> 01:03:48,620 We realized that science 1495 01:03:48,658 --> 01:03:51,718 really was up against a brick wall. 1496 01:03:51,761 --> 01:03:53,626 We kept getting new drugs approved 1497 01:03:53,663 --> 01:03:55,290 to prevent opportunistic infections, 1498 01:03:55,331 --> 01:03:57,993 and then somebody would just get another infection. 1499 01:04:32,869 --> 01:04:34,530 - So, Peter, where are we going? 1500 01:04:34,570 --> 01:04:36,333 - We're gonna be going to the headquarters 1501 01:04:36,372 --> 01:04:40,502 of Daiichi pharmaceutical companies of Japan. 1502 01:04:40,543 --> 01:04:42,704 This is their U.S. headquarters, 1503 01:04:42,745 --> 01:04:45,339 and we're blockading their offices 1504 01:04:45,381 --> 01:04:47,508 because they have a drug 1505 01:04:47,550 --> 01:04:49,848 that's important both to AlDS activists 1506 01:04:49,886 --> 01:04:52,013 and to cancer activists, 1507 01:04:52,054 --> 01:04:55,854 specifically breast cancer, 1508 01:04:55,892 --> 01:04:59,521 that they've been dragging their feet on 1509 01:04:59,562 --> 01:05:01,359 for over two years now, 1510 01:05:01,397 --> 01:05:03,695 and we don't understand why, 1511 01:05:03,733 --> 01:05:07,533 but we certainly are gonna try to let them understand 1512 01:05:07,570 --> 01:05:09,595 why we're concerned. 1513 01:05:09,639 --> 01:05:10,628 And, everybody... 1514 01:05:10,673 --> 01:05:12,197 - Wait for you at the end of the hall. 1515 01:05:12,241 --> 01:05:14,709 - Just wait outside the elevators. 1516 01:05:14,744 --> 01:05:17,212 - Shh. 1517 01:05:17,246 --> 01:05:18,372 - Hey. 1518 01:05:18,414 --> 01:05:19,881 Hi, we're with ACT UP. 1519 01:05:19,916 --> 01:05:21,884 We're doing an act of civil disobedience. 1520 01:05:21,918 --> 01:05:24,716 Please remain calm. 1521 01:05:24,754 --> 01:05:26,722 Jim, it's Peter. We're in. 1522 01:05:26,756 --> 01:05:29,020 Send all the press. 1523 01:05:29,058 --> 01:05:31,925 - Hello, we're from ACT UP New York. 1524 01:05:40,336 --> 01:05:41,564 - You already have the blood 1525 01:05:41,604 --> 01:05:43,663 of several thousand people on your hands, 1526 01:05:43,706 --> 01:05:44,900 and those of us like me 1527 01:05:44,941 --> 01:05:47,569 who have Kaposi's sarcoma are gonna die, 1528 01:05:47,610 --> 01:05:50,044 and we are here until we get arrested. 1529 01:05:50,079 --> 01:05:52,240 - You seem to know nothing about the actual details 1530 01:05:52,281 --> 01:05:53,908 of the development of this drug. 1531 01:05:53,950 --> 01:05:55,611 Maybe you're just not telling us. 1532 01:05:55,651 --> 01:05:58,518 - Mr. Borsic, have you scheduled a meeting with the FDA? 1533 01:05:58,554 --> 01:05:59,816 - Yeah, as soon as we can. 1534 01:05:59,855 --> 01:06:02,255 - We have helped many companies through this process. 1535 01:06:02,291 --> 01:06:05,749 We can take a drug from your test tube to the market 1536 01:06:05,795 --> 01:06:08,093 in under two years if you work with us, 1537 01:06:08,130 --> 01:06:09,927 and we will pave the way for you 1538 01:06:09,966 --> 01:06:11,763 with the Food and Drug Administration. 1539 01:06:11,801 --> 01:06:14,269 But this total reluctance on your part 1540 01:06:14,303 --> 01:06:15,497 is gonna get you nowhere. 1541 01:06:15,538 --> 01:06:17,438 - Have been used in people for 30 years. 1542 01:06:17,473 --> 01:06:19,532 - lt'll end up killing us, all right? 1543 01:06:19,575 --> 01:06:21,440 - See this dark mark on my forehead? 1544 01:06:21,477 --> 01:06:23,775 That's Kaposi's sarcoma. 1545 01:06:23,813 --> 01:06:25,280 It's gonna spread! 1546 01:06:25,314 --> 01:06:26,611 It's gonna kill me. 1547 01:06:26,649 --> 01:06:28,276 You coming to my funeral? 1548 01:06:28,317 --> 01:06:30,785 Because you're the man fucking responsible. 1549 01:06:30,820 --> 01:06:34,153 You are my murderer in your shirt and tie. 1550 01:06:38,494 --> 01:06:41,622 - Do you think that you'll live to see a cure? 1551 01:06:41,664 --> 01:06:42,790 - No. 1552 01:06:42,832 --> 01:06:44,265 I don't. 1553 01:06:44,300 --> 01:06:48,134 - Do you think that you'll live? 1554 01:06:48,170 --> 01:06:51,037 - No. No. 1555 01:06:51,073 --> 01:06:54,201 - You expect to die from this? 1556 01:06:54,243 --> 01:06:57,212 [somber music] 1557 01:06:57,246 --> 01:07:05,244 ? ? 1558 01:07:08,858 --> 01:07:11,156 - The anger just mounted and mounted and mounted 1559 01:07:11,193 --> 01:07:13,161 the more people who were dying. 1560 01:07:13,195 --> 01:07:15,993 Once a week, we met. 1561 01:07:16,032 --> 01:07:17,192 And at that meeting, 1562 01:07:17,233 --> 01:07:19,326 a lot of people came who were just terrified 1563 01:07:19,368 --> 01:07:22,496 they weren't gonna be alive even the next week. 1564 01:07:22,538 --> 01:07:24,972 What can we do? How can we get there? 1565 01:07:25,007 --> 01:07:28,465 - I think ACT UP's anger turned in 1566 01:07:28,511 --> 01:07:32,345 after having been directed out so long. 1567 01:07:32,381 --> 01:07:34,713 In its first few years, 1568 01:07:34,750 --> 01:07:38,186 Treatment and Data pretty much got everything it wanted 1569 01:07:38,220 --> 01:07:40,688 from the floor of ACT UP, 1570 01:07:40,723 --> 01:07:43,851 but as Treatment and Data was becoming 1571 01:07:43,893 --> 01:07:45,861 more and more technical, 1572 01:07:45,895 --> 01:07:50,195 there were a lot of people in the general membership of ACT UP 1573 01:07:50,232 --> 01:07:53,030 that saw that as an elite, 1574 01:07:53,069 --> 01:07:54,866 and that maybe it would be better 1575 01:07:54,904 --> 01:08:00,001 if that elite was pulled in a bit. 1576 01:08:00,042 --> 01:08:01,703 - There was a fear, I think, 1577 01:08:01,744 --> 01:08:06,147 that we were getting too close to the people in power, 1578 01:08:06,182 --> 01:08:08,616 that we would compromise our own principles. 1579 01:08:08,651 --> 01:08:13,554 And the people who were more interested in the social issues 1580 01:08:13,589 --> 01:08:15,181 became uncomfortable with that. 1581 01:08:15,224 --> 01:08:16,714 - I remember this very divisive moment 1582 01:08:16,759 --> 01:08:18,556 where, um, you know, 1583 01:08:18,594 --> 01:08:20,721 there was a proposal for moratorium 1584 01:08:20,763 --> 01:08:24,221 on meeting with drug companies, and someone����� 1585 01:08:24,266 --> 01:08:25,563 for six months����� 1586 01:08:25,601 --> 01:08:28,229 and there was a huge and impassioned debate over it, 1587 01:08:28,270 --> 01:08:29,396 and someone said����� 1588 01:08:29,438 --> 01:08:32,236 a woman who was not HlV-positive said, 1589 01:08:32,274 --> 01:08:34,572 "Well, it's not like it's for the rest of your life." 1590 01:08:34,610 --> 01:08:37,579 And for a lot of people in the room, 1591 01:08:37,613 --> 01:08:39,376 it was the rest of their life. 1592 01:08:39,415 --> 01:08:41,406 crowd: Act up! Fight back! 1593 01:08:41,450 --> 01:08:42,576 Fight AlDS! 1594 01:08:42,618 --> 01:08:46,076 - There were inevitable splits in priorities. 1595 01:08:46,122 --> 01:08:47,953 - You know it quite well. - I know. 1596 01:08:47,990 --> 01:08:49,582 - And it was completely left out 1597 01:08:49,625 --> 01:08:51,752 of the NlH research agenda. 1598 01:08:51,794 --> 01:08:54,092 - I agree. I�����l����� 1599 01:08:54,130 --> 01:08:56,758 - I remember a lot of dirty tricks that happened 1600 01:08:56,799 --> 01:09:00,929 and a lot of fear within the organization 1601 01:09:00,970 --> 01:09:03,939 that the various factions had done this to each other. 1602 01:09:03,973 --> 01:09:05,600 - Mark Harrington, 1603 01:09:05,641 --> 01:09:06,938 Mark Harrington, 1604 01:09:06,976 --> 01:09:09,274 there's a video camera here now. 1605 01:09:09,311 --> 01:09:10,938 Would you like to take an oath 1606 01:09:10,980 --> 01:09:14,143 that you will not write nasty anonymous letters to people? 1607 01:09:14,183 --> 01:09:15,946 - I've been getting some hate letters too, 1608 01:09:15,985 --> 01:09:17,111 but those are unsigned. 1609 01:09:17,153 --> 01:09:18,620 I don't ever����� I don't ever����� 1610 01:09:18,654 --> 01:09:21,282 - So you'll keep on writing nasty letters to people? 1611 01:09:21,323 --> 01:09:23,621 - There were a lot of charges 1612 01:09:23,659 --> 01:09:26,753 in the midst of that, of sabotage and threats. 1613 01:09:26,795 --> 01:09:30,925 - Our last speaker is���� is Larry Kramer. 1614 01:09:30,966 --> 01:09:33,127 - Why didn't you answer the charges? 1615 01:09:33,169 --> 01:09:35,296 - Bill, you're gonna have a chance to talk. 1616 01:09:35,337 --> 01:09:36,497 All right, everybody's���� 1617 01:09:36,539 --> 01:09:37,631 - Don't lecture me, 1618 01:09:37,673 --> 01:09:40,141 you stupid, lazy, incompetent shithead! 1619 01:09:40,176 --> 01:09:42,542 - Bill, everybody got the flyer���� 1620 01:09:42,578 --> 01:09:44,307 [both speaking at once] 1621 01:09:44,346 --> 01:09:46,940 - You can't just lick his ass before he talks! 1622 01:09:46,982 --> 01:09:49,314 - Shut the fuck up and let him answer! 1623 01:09:49,351 --> 01:09:51,478 - Look, there are a lot of people in the audience 1624 01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:53,818 who want to ask and talk about treatment, 1625 01:09:53,856 --> 01:09:56,825 and I think it's important that we allow that to happen. 1626 01:09:56,859 --> 01:09:58,724 - Oh, we're gonna dictate free speech now? 1627 01:09:58,761 --> 01:10:00,194 - You're the one who's interfering 1628 01:10:00,229 --> 01:10:01,355 with speech right now. 1629 01:10:01,397 --> 01:10:02,864 - Go back to GMHC 1630 01:10:02,898 --> 01:10:05,162 or whatever AlDS pimp operation is paying you. 1631 01:10:05,201 --> 01:10:07,169 You're making the same point George Bush made���� 1632 01:10:07,203 --> 01:10:08,830 - Plague! 1633 01:10:08,871 --> 01:10:11,669 We are in the middle of a fucking plague! 1634 01:10:11,707 --> 01:10:14,039 And you behave like this! 1635 01:10:21,050 --> 01:10:23,644 Plague! 1636 01:10:23,686 --> 01:10:28,555 40 million infected people is a fucking plague! 1637 01:10:34,063 --> 01:10:36,190 We are in the worst shape 1638 01:10:36,232 --> 01:10:40,862 we have ever, ever, ever been in! 1639 01:10:40,903 --> 01:10:43,531 All those pills we're shoveling down our throats, 1640 01:10:43,572 --> 01:10:45,699 forget it! 1641 01:10:45,741 --> 01:10:48,869 ACT UP has been taken over by a lunatic fringe. 1642 01:10:48,911 --> 01:10:50,071 They can't get together. 1643 01:10:50,112 --> 01:10:51,340 Nobody agrees with anything. 1644 01:10:51,380 --> 01:10:52,711 All we can do 1645 01:10:52,748 --> 01:10:55,876 is field a couple hundred people in a demonstration! 1646 01:10:55,918 --> 01:11:00,548 That's not gonna make anybody pay attention! 1647 01:11:00,589 --> 01:11:04,218 Not until we get millions out there! 1648 01:11:04,260 --> 01:11:05,887 And we can't do that! 1649 01:11:05,928 --> 01:11:07,896 All we do is pick at each other 1650 01:11:07,930 --> 01:11:10,023 and yell at each other! 1651 01:11:10,065 --> 01:11:12,659 And I say to you in year ten 1652 01:11:12,701 --> 01:11:16,899 the same thing I said to you in 1 981 1653 01:11:16,939 --> 01:11:21,239 when there were 41 cases. 1654 01:11:21,277 --> 01:11:23,404 Until we get our acts together, 1655 01:11:23,445 --> 01:11:27,074 all of us, 1656 01:11:27,116 --> 01:11:29,949 we are as good as dead. 1657 01:11:33,789 --> 01:11:35,416 - In the end, the Treatment and Data guys���� 1658 01:11:35,457 --> 01:11:38,756 Peter, Garance, Mark, and some others����� 1659 01:11:38,794 --> 01:11:43,094 split off and formed their own separate organization. 1660 01:11:43,132 --> 01:11:45,100 - TAG was one of the little mercury balls 1661 01:11:45,134 --> 01:11:47,762 that flew off the main body of ACT UP. 1662 01:11:47,803 --> 01:11:52,137 A more sort of "think tank" type project came about. 1663 01:11:53,642 --> 01:11:55,610 - Mr. Harrington, a TAG member, 1664 01:11:55,644 --> 01:11:57,441 educated at Harvard College, 1665 01:11:57,479 --> 01:11:59,606 and he has worked for a long time 1666 01:11:59,648 --> 01:12:02,617 on experimental treatments for the disease 1667 01:12:02,651 --> 01:12:04,619 and also the basic science. 1668 01:12:04,653 --> 01:12:08,783 And Mr. Gonsalves was born in Long lsland 1669 01:12:08,824 --> 01:12:11,884 and attended Tufts University, also a TAG member. 1670 01:12:11,927 --> 01:12:14,452 I guess I can do nothing better 1671 01:12:14,496 --> 01:12:17,795 than to turn this conference over to my speakers. 1672 01:12:17,833 --> 01:12:18,959 [chuckles] 1673 01:12:19,001 --> 01:12:20,298 - I noticed that you're both 1674 01:12:20,336 --> 01:12:23,965 sitting up there in suits and ties. 1675 01:12:24,006 --> 01:12:26,474 Do you feel that your approach 1676 01:12:26,508 --> 01:12:31,138 is better than circling NlH buildings 1677 01:12:31,180 --> 01:12:32,647 and so forth? 1678 01:12:32,681 --> 01:12:35,650 - I think that we like to keep our options open, 1679 01:12:35,684 --> 01:12:39,051 but it's silly to risk arrest 1680 01:12:39,088 --> 01:12:40,715 and the hassles that are attendant upon it 1681 01:12:40,756 --> 01:12:43,816 if you can get serious attention and negotiations going 1682 01:12:43,859 --> 01:12:46,327 with other measures. 1683 01:12:46,362 --> 01:12:47,989 - We've just released a report, 1684 01:12:48,030 --> 01:12:50,362 a critique of all the NlH's AlDS programs. 1685 01:12:50,399 --> 01:12:52,663 - The research is spread out over 1 2 agencies. 1686 01:12:52,701 --> 01:12:53,827 There's no coordination. 1687 01:12:53,869 --> 01:12:55,666 There's a lot of duplication. 1688 01:12:55,704 --> 01:12:57,171 There's no leadership. 1689 01:12:57,206 --> 01:12:59,834 - The budget is shrinking and shrinking as cases mount, 1690 01:12:59,875 --> 01:13:01,502 and the president needs to be blamed, 1691 01:13:01,543 --> 01:13:02,908 as well as the Congress, 1692 01:13:02,945 --> 01:13:04,674 who cut the entire NlH budget 1693 01:13:04,713 --> 01:13:06,578 by $1 50 million two weeks ago. 1694 01:13:06,615 --> 01:13:08,014 - Our recommendations, I think, 1695 01:13:08,050 --> 01:13:10,018 are gonna require some legislation. 1696 01:13:10,052 --> 01:13:13,681 So we have to go to our friends on the hill 1697 01:13:13,722 --> 01:13:16,213 and see what wonders they can work for us. 1698 01:13:19,294 --> 01:13:22,263 [somber music] 1699 01:13:22,297 --> 01:13:26,859 ? ? 1700 01:13:26,902 --> 01:13:28,870 - We had this one particular compound 1701 01:13:28,904 --> 01:13:31,702 that looked like it may have had the potency 1702 01:13:31,740 --> 01:13:34,368 and the physical properties that we wanted, 1703 01:13:34,410 --> 01:13:36,344 and it could be a possible drug. 1704 01:13:36,378 --> 01:13:37,845 - We said, you know, "Let's put this 1705 01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:40,280 in HlV-infected individuals, and let's see what happens." 1706 01:13:40,315 --> 01:13:42,715 So we went into HlV-infected individuals 1707 01:13:42,751 --> 01:13:44,378 with this drug called Crixivan, 1708 01:13:44,420 --> 01:13:46,581 and you could see a very substantial drop 1709 01:13:46,622 --> 01:13:48,249 just with the one protease inhibitor; 1710 01:13:48,290 --> 01:13:50,485 you could see a very substantial drop in virus load. 1711 01:13:50,526 --> 01:13:51,823 So that was the first week. 1712 01:13:51,860 --> 01:13:53,555 The second week was very disappointing, 1713 01:13:53,595 --> 01:13:56,587 because what we saw in the second week was, in fact, 1714 01:13:56,632 --> 01:13:59,396 the virus load coming right back up again. 1715 01:13:59,435 --> 01:14:00,595 One exception. 1716 01:14:00,636 --> 01:14:02,570 - There was one patient that���� 1717 01:14:02,604 --> 01:14:07,234 patient 1 43, I believe, was his name�����his number����� 1718 01:14:07,276 --> 01:14:09,972 that the virus went down and stayed down. 1719 01:14:10,012 --> 01:14:12,572 - That told us that it was possible. 1720 01:14:12,614 --> 01:14:14,081 If it can happen in one, 1721 01:14:14,116 --> 01:14:16,914 then by definition it can happen in everyone. 1722 01:14:16,952 --> 01:14:18,817 You just need to figure out how to do it. 1723 01:14:18,854 --> 01:14:21,084 That puts you in a completely different place 1724 01:14:21,123 --> 01:14:23,250 and in a completely different state of mind. 1725 01:14:23,292 --> 01:14:24,589 So then the question became, 1726 01:14:24,626 --> 01:14:26,093 "Okay, now what do we need to do 1727 01:14:26,128 --> 01:14:28,392 in order to make it possible?" 1728 01:14:28,430 --> 01:14:30,591 [cheers and applause, whistles blowing] 1729 01:14:30,632 --> 01:14:33,100 - This is the beginning of the primary season 1730 01:14:33,135 --> 01:14:35,000 to elect the next president. 1731 01:14:35,037 --> 01:14:38,097 We want to send a message to all of the candidates: 1732 01:14:38,140 --> 01:14:43,237 we have not seen them actively address the AlDS plague, 1733 01:14:43,278 --> 01:14:45,769 and we thought it would be best to send a message 1734 01:14:45,814 --> 01:14:48,442 by voting with our feet in the streets. 1735 01:14:48,484 --> 01:14:53,183 I want to call for a massive march on Washington. 1736 01:14:53,222 --> 01:14:56,953 The weekend the AlDS quilt is gonna be there, 1737 01:14:56,992 --> 01:14:59,790 we have got to surround the White House 1738 01:14:59,828 --> 01:15:02,695 with people concerned about AlDS 1739 01:15:02,731 --> 01:15:05,962 to push Bush out of the White House! 1740 01:15:06,001 --> 01:15:08,993 [cheers and applause] 1741 01:15:11,340 --> 01:15:14,138 - Last night, a man with AlDS heckled Clinton, 1742 01:15:14,176 --> 01:15:15,973 charging that he had a bad record 1743 01:15:16,011 --> 01:15:18,309 on fighting AlDS in Arkansas. 1744 01:15:18,347 --> 01:15:20,474 - When voter Bob Rafsky met Bill Clinton, 1745 01:15:20,516 --> 01:15:22,143 it was anything but pleasant. 1746 01:15:22,184 --> 01:15:23,981 - We're dying in this state! 1747 01:15:24,019 --> 01:15:27,147 What are you going to do about AlDS? 1748 01:15:27,189 --> 01:15:29,817 - First of all, it will become 1749 01:15:29,858 --> 01:15:32,418 a part of my obsession as president. 1750 01:15:34,997 --> 01:15:36,658 - That's why I'm running for president, 1751 01:15:36,698 --> 01:15:38,165 to do something about it. 1752 01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:39,497 - Now, will you just calm down? 1753 01:15:39,535 --> 01:15:41,833 [laughter and applause] 1754 01:15:41,870 --> 01:15:44,498 I feel your pain! 1755 01:15:44,540 --> 01:15:45,837 I feel your pain. 1756 01:15:45,874 --> 01:15:47,501 But if you want to attack me personally, 1757 01:15:47,543 --> 01:15:48,942 you're no better than Jerry Brown 1758 01:15:48,977 --> 01:15:50,205 and all the rest of these people 1759 01:15:50,245 --> 01:15:52,008 who say whatever sounds good in the moment. 1760 01:15:52,047 --> 01:15:53,309 If you want something to be done, 1761 01:15:53,348 --> 01:15:55,009 you ask me a question, and you listen. 1762 01:15:55,050 --> 01:15:56,176 If you don't agree with me, 1763 01:15:56,218 --> 01:15:58,015 go support somebody else for president, 1764 01:15:58,053 --> 01:15:59,520 but quit talking to me like that. 1765 01:15:59,555 --> 01:16:01,352 This is not a matter of personal attack; 1766 01:16:01,390 --> 01:16:03,187 it's a matter of human loss. 1767 01:16:03,225 --> 01:16:05,523 [applause and cheering] 1768 01:16:05,561 --> 01:16:08,530 - I came here tonight because I'm dying from AlDS. 1769 01:16:08,564 --> 01:16:11,192 And it doesn't matter to me who the next president is 1770 01:16:11,233 --> 01:16:14,361 if they don't change 11 years of government neglect 1771 01:16:14,403 --> 01:16:16,030 of this epidemic. 1772 01:16:16,071 --> 01:16:17,868 - Is this on? This isn't on. 1773 01:16:17,906 --> 01:16:21,307 Um, okay, first off, 1774 01:16:21,343 --> 01:16:24,210 what happened this week was, 1775 01:16:24,246 --> 01:16:28,273 AlDS became an issue in this campaign. 1776 01:16:28,317 --> 01:16:31,309 [applause and cheering] 1777 01:16:34,756 --> 01:16:37,224 I'd like to call down Bob Rafsky. 1778 01:16:37,259 --> 01:16:40,251 [cheers and applause] 1779 01:16:58,280 --> 01:16:59,577 - Act up! 1780 01:16:59,615 --> 01:17:00,912 crowd: Fight back! 1781 01:17:00,949 --> 01:17:02,177 Fight AlDS! 1782 01:17:02,217 --> 01:17:04,344 Act up! Fight back! 1783 01:17:04,386 --> 01:17:05,546 Fight AlDS! 1784 01:17:05,587 --> 01:17:09,819 [cheers and applause] 1785 01:17:09,858 --> 01:17:11,416 - Uh, never debate a Rhodes scholar. 1786 01:17:11,460 --> 01:17:13,485 It gets you into a world of trouble. 1787 01:17:13,528 --> 01:17:14,620 [laughter] 1788 01:17:14,663 --> 01:17:16,358 It looks like what we have to do 1789 01:17:16,398 --> 01:17:19,765 is to keep forcing these clowns to say the right thing 1790 01:17:19,801 --> 01:17:21,928 so that if one of them happens to become president, 1791 01:17:21,970 --> 01:17:24,404 we can hold them accountable for doing the right thing. 1792 01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:25,667 - Yeah. 1793 01:17:25,707 --> 01:17:27,937 - But I just���� it's always important to say 1794 01:17:27,976 --> 01:17:29,603 that we all know that 1795 01:17:29,645 --> 01:17:32,273 the names of the people who might save our lives 1796 01:17:32,314 --> 01:17:34,942 are not Bill Clinton and Jerry Brown, et cetera. 1797 01:17:34,983 --> 01:17:37,451 The names of the people who might save our lives 1798 01:17:37,486 --> 01:17:39,283 are lris Long, Mark Harrington, 1799 01:17:39,321 --> 01:17:40,948 Peter Staley, et cetera. 1800 01:17:40,989 --> 01:17:42,957 And they're the ones who will be remembered 1801 01:17:42,991 --> 01:17:44,788 as the heroes of this epidemic, 1802 01:17:44,826 --> 01:17:47,454 as well as those who have gone before. 1803 01:17:47,496 --> 01:17:51,023 [cheers and applause] 1804 01:17:51,066 --> 01:17:52,693 - ? And he smells like one too ? 1805 01:17:52,734 --> 01:17:53,928 - Well, I haven't showered, 1806 01:17:53,969 --> 01:17:55,960 so I'm not surprised that you would say that. 1807 01:17:56,004 --> 01:17:58,632 No, I've just been writing, and... 1808 01:17:58,674 --> 01:18:00,642 I was up at 5:00 a.m. yesterday. 1809 01:18:00,676 --> 01:18:03,304 - This is Bob's birthday, 1810 01:18:03,345 --> 01:18:06,906 July 22, 1 992. 1811 01:18:06,948 --> 01:18:08,142 - Ready for the pyrotechnics? 1812 01:18:08,183 --> 01:18:09,207 - Yes! 1813 01:18:09,251 --> 01:18:10,240 - Nathaniel, help. 1814 01:18:10,285 --> 01:18:12,310 - No! 1815 01:18:12,354 --> 01:18:14,652 - Yay! 1816 01:18:14,690 --> 01:18:18,319 - Lydia E. Rios. 1817 01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:21,818 Steve H. 1818 01:18:21,863 --> 01:18:25,822 My friends, David Evans, 1819 01:18:25,867 --> 01:18:31,169 Nicolas Kaiser, George Marshall, 1820 01:18:31,206 --> 01:18:35,404 and my beloved brother Dennis J. 1821 01:18:35,444 --> 01:18:38,936 - Robert R. Hakins. 1822 01:18:38,980 --> 01:18:43,007 Phillip Gregory Ellison. 1823 01:18:43,051 --> 01:18:45,849 Terry Ronan. 1824 01:18:45,887 --> 01:18:48,754 - Michael Bennett. 1825 01:18:48,790 --> 01:18:50,849 Ron Field. 1826 01:18:50,892 --> 01:18:53,360 Tina Chow. 1827 01:18:53,395 --> 01:18:55,761 Perry Ellis. 1828 01:18:55,797 --> 01:18:57,856 Freddie Mercury. 1829 01:18:57,899 --> 01:19:00,527 Peter Allen. 1830 01:19:00,569 --> 01:19:03,367 To the thousands of other people 1831 01:19:03,405 --> 01:19:06,897 who were made to suffer in silence. 1832 01:19:13,248 --> 01:19:16,877 - Join ACT UP for a political funeral! 1833 01:19:16,918 --> 01:19:20,217 Meet at the steps of the Capitol at 1 :00 p.m. 1834 01:19:20,255 --> 01:19:21,552 Give a wake-up call 1835 01:19:21,590 --> 01:19:25,048 to George Bush and Bill Clinton and Perot. 1836 01:19:25,093 --> 01:19:28,085 [kids laughing] 1837 01:19:31,767 --> 01:19:34,531 - I think the quilt itself does good stuff 1838 01:19:34,569 --> 01:19:35,934 and is moving. 1839 01:19:35,971 --> 01:19:37,905 Still, it's like making something beautiful 1840 01:19:37,939 --> 01:19:39,804 out of the epidemic. 1841 01:19:39,841 --> 01:19:41,672 And I felt like doing something like this 1842 01:19:41,710 --> 01:19:42,870 is a way of showing 1843 01:19:42,911 --> 01:19:44,344 there's nothing beautiful about it. 1844 01:19:44,379 --> 01:19:45,778 You know, this is what I'm left with. 1845 01:19:45,814 --> 01:19:47,748 I've got a box full of ashes and bone chips. 1846 01:19:47,783 --> 01:19:49,910 You know, there's no beauty in that. 1847 01:19:49,951 --> 01:19:53,079 And I felt like a statement like this is like saying, 1848 01:19:53,121 --> 01:19:55,089 "This is what George Bush has done," you know? 1849 01:19:55,123 --> 01:19:56,249 This is what him 1850 01:19:56,291 --> 01:19:57,815 and Ronald Reagan before him have done. 1851 01:19:57,859 --> 01:19:59,053 These are our loved ones, 1852 01:19:59,094 --> 01:20:00,493 and this is what they've been reduced to, 1853 01:20:00,529 --> 01:20:01,689 and we're bringing them 1854 01:20:01,730 --> 01:20:03,630 to the person who's responsible for their death. 1855 01:20:03,665 --> 01:20:06,634 [ethereal music] 1856 01:20:06,668 --> 01:20:14,666 ? ? 1857 01:20:20,682 --> 01:20:22,479 crowd: Fight back! Fight AlDS! 1858 01:20:22,517 --> 01:20:25,509 Act up! Fight back! Fight AlDS! 1859 01:20:28,824 --> 01:20:31,452 Act up! Fight back! Fight AlDS! 1860 01:20:31,493 --> 01:20:34,519 Act up! Fight back! Fight AlDS! 1861 01:20:34,563 --> 01:20:37,555 [chanting indistinctly] 1862 01:20:39,501 --> 01:20:41,332 Bringing the dead to your door! 1863 01:20:41,369 --> 01:20:43,337 We won't take it anymore! 1864 01:20:43,371 --> 01:20:45,339 Bringing the dead to your door! 1865 01:20:45,373 --> 01:20:47,307 We won't take it anymore! 1866 01:20:47,342 --> 01:20:49,333 Bringing the dead to your door! 1867 01:20:49,377 --> 01:20:51,311 We won't take it anymore! 1868 01:20:51,346 --> 01:20:53,177 Bringing the dead to your door! 1869 01:20:53,215 --> 01:20:56,150 [helicopter whirring] 1870 01:20:56,184 --> 01:20:59,153 [ethereal music continues] 1871 01:20:59,187 --> 01:21:07,185 ? ? 1872 01:21:18,907 --> 01:21:24,345 ? ? 1873 01:21:24,379 --> 01:21:27,371 [whistle blowing, applause] 1874 01:21:38,693 --> 01:21:41,719 crowd: Act up! Fight back! Fight AlDS! 1875 01:21:41,763 --> 01:21:42,752 Act up! 1876 01:21:42,797 --> 01:21:45,766 [ethereal music swells] 1877 01:21:45,800 --> 01:21:47,358 ? ? 1878 01:21:47,402 --> 01:21:49,199 Act up! Fight back! 1879 01:21:49,237 --> 01:21:51,330 Fight AlDS! Act up! 1880 01:21:51,373 --> 01:21:53,170 Fight back! Fight AlDS! 1881 01:21:53,208 --> 01:21:55,005 Act up! Fight back! 1882 01:21:55,043 --> 01:21:58,012 Fight AlDS! Act up! Fight back! 1883 01:21:58,046 --> 01:21:59,240 Fight AlDS! 1884 01:21:59,281 --> 01:22:01,545 [shouting indistinctly] 1885 01:22:01,583 --> 01:22:04,074 Shame! Shame! Shame! Shame! 1886 01:22:04,119 --> 01:22:06,713 Shame! Shame! Shame! Shame! 1887 01:22:06,755 --> 01:22:10,714 Shame! Shame! Shame! Shame! 1888 01:22:10,759 --> 01:22:14,559 [ethereal music swells] 1889 01:22:14,596 --> 01:22:16,996 - I love you, Mike! 1890 01:22:17,032 --> 01:22:18,397 I love you, Mike! 1891 01:22:18,433 --> 01:22:26,431 ? ? 1892 01:22:36,785 --> 01:22:39,777 [music fades] 1893 01:22:45,460 --> 01:22:47,121 - Welcome to the first of three debates 1894 01:22:47,162 --> 01:22:48,754 among the major candidates 1895 01:22:48,797 --> 01:22:50,765 for president of the United States, 1896 01:22:50,799 --> 01:22:53,927 sponsored by the Commission on Presidential Debates. 1897 01:22:53,969 --> 01:22:57,097 - Mr. President, yesterday tens of thousands of people 1898 01:22:57,138 --> 01:22:59,106 paraded past the White House 1899 01:22:59,140 --> 01:23:02,769 to demonstrate their concern about the disease AlDS. 1900 01:23:02,811 --> 01:23:05,279 A celebrated member of your commission, 1901 01:23:05,313 --> 01:23:06,940 Magic Johnson, 1902 01:23:06,982 --> 01:23:10,941 quipped, saying that there was too much inaction. 1903 01:23:10,986 --> 01:23:13,454 Where is this widespread feeling coming from 1904 01:23:13,488 --> 01:23:16,616 that your administration is not doing enough about AlDS? 1905 01:23:16,658 --> 01:23:18,956 - I can't tell you where it's coming from, 1906 01:23:18,994 --> 01:23:21,792 but I am very much concerned about AlDS, 1907 01:23:21,830 --> 01:23:23,297 and I believe that we've got 1908 01:23:23,331 --> 01:23:25,299 the best researchers in the world 1909 01:23:25,333 --> 01:23:27,631 out there at NlH working the problem. 1910 01:23:27,669 --> 01:23:29,136 It's one of the few diseases 1911 01:23:29,170 --> 01:23:30,797 where behavior matters. 1912 01:23:30,839 --> 01:23:32,466 And I once called on somebody, 1913 01:23:32,507 --> 01:23:33,804 "Well, change your behavior." 1914 01:23:33,842 --> 01:23:35,469 If the behavior you're using, 1915 01:23:35,510 --> 01:23:37,478 uh, prone to cause AlDS, 1916 01:23:37,512 --> 01:23:38,570 change the behavior. 1917 01:23:38,613 --> 01:23:39,637 Next thing I know, 1918 01:23:39,681 --> 01:23:41,979 one of these ACT UP groups is out, 1919 01:23:42,017 --> 01:23:43,985 saying, "Bush ought to change his behavior." 1920 01:23:44,019 --> 01:23:46,010 You can't talk about it rationally. 1921 01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:09,500 - Let everyone here know 1922 01:24:09,544 --> 01:24:13,674 that this is not a political funeral 1923 01:24:13,715 --> 01:24:15,842 for Mark Fisher, 1924 01:24:15,884 --> 01:24:19,513 who wouldn't let us burn 1925 01:24:19,554 --> 01:24:23,012 or bury his courage 1926 01:24:23,058 --> 01:24:25,322 or his love for us 1927 01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:28,852 any more than he would let the earth take his body 1928 01:24:28,897 --> 01:24:32,856 until it was already in flight. 1929 01:24:32,901 --> 01:24:35,529 He asked for this ceremony 1930 01:24:35,570 --> 01:24:37,697 not so we could bury him 1931 01:24:37,739 --> 01:24:43,041 but so we could celebrate his undying anger. 1932 01:24:43,078 --> 01:24:46,377 This isn't a political funeral for Mark; 1933 01:24:46,414 --> 01:24:48,382 it's a political funeral 1934 01:24:48,416 --> 01:24:52,876 for the man who killed him and so many others 1935 01:24:52,921 --> 01:24:56,220 and is slowly killing me, 1936 01:24:56,257 --> 01:24:58,919 whose name curls my tongue 1937 01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:01,326 and curdles my breath. 1938 01:25:01,362 --> 01:25:06,561 George Bush, we believe you'll be defeated tomorrow 1939 01:25:06,601 --> 01:25:07,898 because we believe 1940 01:25:07,936 --> 01:25:11,235 there's still some justice left in the universe 1941 01:25:11,272 --> 01:25:15,732 and some compassion left in the American people. 1942 01:25:15,777 --> 01:25:18,405 But whether or not you are, 1943 01:25:18,446 --> 01:25:22,405 here and now, standing by Mark's body, 1944 01:25:22,450 --> 01:25:25,248 we put this curse on you. 1945 01:25:25,286 --> 01:25:28,255 Mark's spirit will haunt you 1946 01:25:28,289 --> 01:25:30,917 until the end of your days, 1947 01:25:30,959 --> 01:25:34,588 so that in the moment of your defeat, 1948 01:25:34,629 --> 01:25:36,927 you'll remember our defeats. 1949 01:25:36,965 --> 01:25:38,933 And in the moment of your death, 1950 01:25:38,967 --> 01:25:43,597 you'll remember our deaths. 1951 01:25:43,638 --> 01:25:49,099 As for Mark, when the living can no longer speak, 1952 01:25:49,144 --> 01:25:52,511 the dead may speak for them. 1953 01:25:52,547 --> 01:25:56,108 Mark's voice is here with us, 1954 01:25:56,151 --> 01:25:58,619 as is the voice of Pericles, 1955 01:25:58,653 --> 01:26:03,283 who, two millennia ago, warned the Athenian soldiers 1956 01:26:03,324 --> 01:26:05,292 who didn't have to die 1957 01:26:05,326 --> 01:26:07,954 and in whose death he was complicit 1958 01:26:07,996 --> 01:26:10,794 but who had the nobility to say 1959 01:26:10,832 --> 01:26:14,962 that their memorial was the whole Earth. 1960 01:26:15,003 --> 01:26:18,461 Let the whole Earth hear us now. 1961 01:26:18,506 --> 01:26:22,306 We beg, we pray, we demand 1962 01:26:22,343 --> 01:26:26,643 that this epidemic end! 1963 01:26:26,681 --> 01:26:30,481 Not just so we may live 1964 01:26:30,518 --> 01:26:32,986 but so that Mark's soul 1965 01:26:33,021 --> 01:26:35,990 may rest in peace at last. 1966 01:26:41,629 --> 01:26:44,655 In anger and in grief, 1967 01:26:44,699 --> 01:26:48,362 this fight is not over till all of us are safe. 1968 01:26:55,877 --> 01:26:57,344 Act up. 1969 01:26:57,378 --> 01:26:58,675 Fight back. 1970 01:26:58,713 --> 01:27:02,012 Fight AlDS. 1971 01:27:02,050 --> 01:27:05,019 [delicate music] 1972 01:27:05,053 --> 01:27:13,051 ? ? 1973 01:27:48,029 --> 01:27:56,027 ? ? 1974 01:28:29,404 --> 01:28:32,373 [delicate music] 1975 01:28:32,407 --> 01:28:36,707 ? ? 1976 01:28:36,744 --> 01:28:38,143 - The debate over AlDS therapy 1977 01:28:38,179 --> 01:28:40,613 has reignited with a new European study 1978 01:28:40,648 --> 01:28:43,947 that challenges the effectiveness of AZT, 1979 01:28:43,985 --> 01:28:47,113 the widely prescribed drug used to treat the HlV virus. 1980 01:28:47,155 --> 01:28:51,114 - This study disproves what every other study proves, 1981 01:28:51,159 --> 01:28:54,959 is that the drug is at best modest, mostly useless, 1982 01:28:54,996 --> 01:28:56,429 not good for you in the beginning. 1983 01:28:56,464 --> 01:28:59,490 - Two other drugs, ddl and ddC, 1984 01:28:59,534 --> 01:29:02,298 were approved because they were as good as AZT, 1985 01:29:02,337 --> 01:29:05,306 which means that they might not be very useful either. 1986 01:29:05,340 --> 01:29:07,808 All this is profoundly dispiriting 1987 01:29:07,842 --> 01:29:09,833 for advocates of people with AlDS. 1988 01:29:09,877 --> 01:29:12,471 - We thought we had made some advance in AlDS treatment 1989 01:29:12,513 --> 01:29:13,980 over the last five years, 1990 01:29:14,015 --> 01:29:16,643 and these studies show that we really haven't. 1991 01:29:16,684 --> 01:29:18,652 - Many activists now admit 1992 01:29:18,686 --> 01:29:20,586 their demands were shortsighted. 1993 01:29:20,621 --> 01:29:22,646 - It's been a huge expenditure, 1994 01:29:22,690 --> 01:29:25,488 a waste of money for the U.S. taxpayer, 1995 01:29:25,526 --> 01:29:27,494 and it was a naivet� on our part 1996 01:29:27,528 --> 01:29:30,122 to think that the magic bullet was out there. 1997 01:29:30,164 --> 01:29:34,498 It just had to be tested in humans and, uh... 1998 01:29:34,535 --> 01:29:36,059 given to us as the cure. 1999 01:29:36,104 --> 01:29:37,503 - Many doctors and scientists 2000 01:29:37,538 --> 01:29:39,665 say the bleak results presented here 2001 01:29:39,707 --> 01:29:41,504 indicate the U.S. government 2002 01:29:41,542 --> 01:29:43,510 needs to substantially reorganize 2003 01:29:43,544 --> 01:29:46,012 the way it conducts AlDS research. 2004 01:29:46,047 --> 01:29:48,572 Robert Bazell, NBC News, Berlin. 2005 01:29:54,589 --> 01:29:56,682 - There's been this big crisis at St. Vincent's 2006 01:29:56,724 --> 01:30:01,184 about the way that we talk about the, uh���� 2007 01:30:01,229 --> 01:30:02,560 what happened in Berlin. 2008 01:30:02,597 --> 01:30:04,030 Couple of doctors said they were 2009 01:30:04,065 --> 01:30:06,590 afraid of people committing suicide now. 2010 01:30:06,634 --> 01:30:10,866 - I don't feel like, "Oh, now I just"���� 2011 01:30:10,905 --> 01:30:13,032 I don't feel, "Oh, now I want to give up. 2012 01:30:13,074 --> 01:30:16,202 Now I want to stop living because AZT doesn't work." 2013 01:30:16,244 --> 01:30:17,541 - I've felt forever now 2014 01:30:17,578 --> 01:30:19,375 that I'm not gonna outlive this epidemic, 2015 01:30:19,414 --> 01:30:21,541 that I will����� that I will die from this. 2016 01:30:21,582 --> 01:30:23,379 - You know, maybe that is our future, 2017 01:30:23,418 --> 01:30:25,045 that we're gonna watch each other die. 2018 01:30:25,086 --> 01:30:27,054 It's����that's not a new thought. 2019 01:30:27,088 --> 01:30:30,421 We've been thinking that ever since we started the group. 2020 01:30:30,458 --> 01:30:34,053 - The way that the recent spate of deaths is���� 2021 01:30:34,095 --> 01:30:35,221 I don't know. 2022 01:30:35,263 --> 01:30:37,731 It all seems so much more apocalyptic. 2023 01:30:37,765 --> 01:30:41,724 Like, the story doesn't seem 2024 01:30:41,769 --> 01:30:44,897 to have this relationship to effective treatment 2025 01:30:44,939 --> 01:30:46,236 or a cure anymore. 2026 01:30:46,274 --> 01:30:48,401 It now seems to have this relationship to death. 2027 01:30:48,443 --> 01:30:50,411 It ends����� it ends with everybody dying. 2028 01:30:50,445 --> 01:30:51,912 Will the last person alive in Chelsea 2029 01:30:51,946 --> 01:30:53,436 please turn out the lights? 2030 01:31:01,222 --> 01:31:03,087 [static crackling] 2031 01:31:03,124 --> 01:31:05,092 - Joining me now is Dr. David Kessler, 2032 01:31:05,126 --> 01:31:07,822 the commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration. 2033 01:31:07,862 --> 01:31:09,352 Dr. Kessler, how excited 2034 01:31:09,397 --> 01:31:11,763 should we get about this new family of drugs, 2035 01:31:11,799 --> 01:31:13,426 these protease inhibitors? 2036 01:31:13,468 --> 01:31:15,265 - I don't want to overpromise, 2037 01:31:15,303 --> 01:31:17,771 but these are the most potent drugs 2038 01:31:17,805 --> 01:31:20,706 we've seen against the virus. 2039 01:31:20,741 --> 01:31:21,833 - I know that you are pushing 2040 01:31:21,876 --> 01:31:24,208 for faster FDA approval of these drugs. 2041 01:31:24,245 --> 01:31:25,940 I know that the application has just gone 2042 01:31:25,980 --> 01:31:27,607 for the first of these drugs to the FDA. 2043 01:31:27,648 --> 01:31:29,013 It's still gonna take six months. 2044 01:31:29,050 --> 01:31:32,952 - We will turn around that application as quick as ever. 2045 01:31:32,987 --> 01:31:35,956 We're approving drugs in a matter of months these days. 2046 01:31:35,990 --> 01:31:38,288 - But you were telling me that's six months, right? 2047 01:31:38,326 --> 01:31:39,554 That's as quick as possible. 2048 01:31:39,594 --> 01:31:41,391 - We may be able to do it even a little quicker. 2049 01:31:41,429 --> 01:31:42,794 - A split has developed 2050 01:31:42,830 --> 01:31:44,627 between those who want rapid approval 2051 01:31:44,665 --> 01:31:47,293 based on early indicators of success 2052 01:31:47,335 --> 01:31:49,803 and the Treatment Action Group, or TAG. 2053 01:31:49,837 --> 01:31:51,964 TAG has asked the FDA to reconsider 2054 01:31:52,006 --> 01:31:54,975 the accelerated approval process. 2055 01:31:55,009 --> 01:31:56,977 - We told the FDA, "No." 2056 01:31:57,011 --> 01:32:00,139 "The company has asked you to approve that drug too soon. 2057 01:32:00,181 --> 01:32:02,809 They need a little bit more data first." 2058 01:32:02,850 --> 01:32:05,114 - TAG is asking the FDA to take a closer look 2059 01:32:05,152 --> 01:32:07,985 at saquinavir, the first protease inhibitor 2060 01:32:08,022 --> 01:32:09,216 to seek approval. 2061 01:32:09,257 --> 01:32:10,383 - We need to make sure 2062 01:32:10,424 --> 01:32:12,153 we don't repeat the mistake we made 2063 01:32:12,193 --> 01:32:13,524 with AZT and ddl. 2064 01:32:13,561 --> 01:32:15,324 This is a new class of drugs. 2065 01:32:15,363 --> 01:32:17,957 We need to know if it works. 2066 01:32:17,999 --> 01:32:21,059 The battle over early approval of saquinavir 2067 01:32:21,102 --> 01:32:25,004 was a really pivotal moment for treatment activism. 2068 01:32:25,039 --> 01:32:29,305 And we took such shit for it, from within. 2069 01:32:29,343 --> 01:32:30,810 - There are a lot of people who do agree 2070 01:32:30,845 --> 01:32:32,574 that there are problems, serious problems, 2071 01:32:32,613 --> 01:32:35,582 the way drug testing and drug trials are run. 2072 01:32:35,616 --> 01:32:40,178 But there are many of us who feel that halting 2073 01:32:40,221 --> 01:32:43,520 accelerated approval is not necessarily the answer. 2074 01:32:43,558 --> 01:32:44,889 - TAG made their proposal 2075 01:32:44,926 --> 01:32:48,521 for this large simple trial of 1 8,000 people 2076 01:32:48,563 --> 01:32:51,396 that they want to put in a placebo control trial 2077 01:32:51,432 --> 01:32:53,696 where 1/3 would get placebo. 2078 01:32:53,734 --> 01:32:57,363 They pushed this idea on the FDA at a secret meeting, 2079 01:32:57,405 --> 01:32:59,532 which was not announced to the community. 2080 01:32:59,574 --> 01:33:02,702 This is something we have fought hard and long for. 2081 01:33:02,743 --> 01:33:05,803 We've been arrested to get accelerated approval through. 2082 01:33:05,846 --> 01:33:08,212 - It's the behavior that I have a problem with. 2083 01:33:08,249 --> 01:33:09,978 It's the work they're doing 2084 01:33:10,017 --> 01:33:11,848 that I have a problem with, and it's����� 2085 01:33:11,886 --> 01:33:13,376 this is what I am gonna fight. 2086 01:33:13,421 --> 01:33:15,821 I'm not interested in mud wrestling with the boys. 2087 01:33:15,856 --> 01:33:18,222 I am absolutely enraged that there are people 2088 01:33:18,259 --> 01:33:21,558 who have appointed themselves elitist representatives 2089 01:33:21,596 --> 01:33:22,893 and represent themselves 2090 01:33:22,930 --> 01:33:24,557 as the single voice of this epidemic. 2091 01:33:24,599 --> 01:33:25,896 I am gonna fight them, 2092 01:33:25,933 --> 01:33:27,400 my patients are gonna fight them, 2093 01:33:27,435 --> 01:33:29,232 and you goddamn well better fight them! 2094 01:33:29,270 --> 01:33:32,262 [cheers and applause] 2095 01:33:36,010 --> 01:33:37,739 - Apparently there was a big discussion 2096 01:33:37,778 --> 01:33:40,076 on accelerated approval and protease drug development 2097 01:33:40,114 --> 01:33:41,581 Iast week on the floor, 2098 01:33:41,616 --> 01:33:45,074 so we just wanted to give you sort of the TAG perspective 2099 01:33:45,119 --> 01:33:47,087 and give you a sense of our proposal 2100 01:33:47,121 --> 01:33:48,520 around protease drug development 2101 01:33:48,556 --> 01:33:49,750 so we can start from a baseline 2102 01:33:49,790 --> 01:33:51,348 of common understanding and knowledge. 2103 01:33:51,392 --> 01:33:54,691 - This proposal is not about taking expanded access away, 2104 01:33:54,729 --> 01:33:56,594 taking accelerated approval away. 2105 01:33:56,631 --> 01:33:58,098 This is about adding something. 2106 01:33:58,132 --> 01:34:00,760 This is about figuring out how do we get information 2107 01:34:00,801 --> 01:34:02,428 about how to actually use these drugs. 2108 01:34:02,470 --> 01:34:05,837 - You need more people when you have a less powerful drug. 2109 01:34:05,873 --> 01:34:07,340 If we were dealing with a penicillin, 2110 01:34:07,375 --> 01:34:09,275 we could do it in 20 people. 2111 01:34:09,310 --> 01:34:11,107 So we put together a large simple trial 2112 01:34:11,145 --> 01:34:13,443 that tried to synthesize expanded access 2113 01:34:13,481 --> 01:34:14,778 in large simple trials. 2114 01:34:14,815 --> 01:34:18,114 And what we did is, we presented it to Merck. 2115 01:34:18,152 --> 01:34:19,779 We presented it to the FDA. 2116 01:34:19,820 --> 01:34:22,118 We wanted to start a community discussion. 2117 01:34:22,156 --> 01:34:24,283 - I just wanted to thank Gregg and Derek 2118 01:34:24,325 --> 01:34:26,452 for coming to tell us about this. 2119 01:34:26,494 --> 01:34:28,121 [applause] 2120 01:34:28,162 --> 01:34:30,289 Because we hadn't heard anything 2121 01:34:30,331 --> 01:34:32,390 until we read about it in Barron's. 2122 01:34:32,433 --> 01:34:33,866 - If you wanted to hear the proposal, 2123 01:34:33,901 --> 01:34:35,300 you could have heard it 40 times. 2124 01:34:35,336 --> 01:34:36,735 It's been talked about all over. 2125 01:34:36,771 --> 01:34:38,466 - Dr. Cotler wants to speak. 2126 01:34:38,506 --> 01:34:40,974 - TAG is talking about getting accurate information. 2127 01:34:41,008 --> 01:34:43,806 ACT UP is talking about making drugs available. 2128 01:34:43,844 --> 01:34:45,641 There should be a way to mesh those two. 2129 01:34:45,680 --> 01:34:47,477 It's really not one or the other. 2130 01:34:47,515 --> 01:34:50,211 Your two groups are really talking past one another. 2131 01:34:50,251 --> 01:34:51,650 Try not to scream. 2132 01:34:51,686 --> 01:34:54,484 Try not to go at each other's throats, but just talk, 2133 01:34:54,522 --> 01:34:57,389 because the differences really can be bridged. 2134 01:34:57,425 --> 01:34:59,359 [all talking at once] 2135 01:34:59,393 --> 01:35:00,382 - No, no, no. 2136 01:35:00,428 --> 01:35:01,725 - Hey! - Shh. 2137 01:35:01,762 --> 01:35:03,320 [all talking at once] 2138 01:35:03,364 --> 01:35:05,491 - Quiet! 2139 01:35:05,533 --> 01:35:08,991 - '93 to '95 were the worst years. 2140 01:35:09,036 --> 01:35:12,665 It was a really terrifying time. 2141 01:35:12,707 --> 01:35:14,698 They were the worst years. 2142 01:35:18,879 --> 01:35:21,347 And then we got lucky. 2143 01:35:21,382 --> 01:35:24,351 [pensive music] 2144 01:35:24,385 --> 01:35:32,383 ? ? 2145 01:35:35,563 --> 01:35:38,532 [man singing indistinctly] 2146 01:35:38,566 --> 01:35:41,535 [music continues] 2147 01:35:41,569 --> 01:35:49,567 ? ? 2148 01:36:09,563 --> 01:36:11,724 - Um... 2149 01:36:11,766 --> 01:36:16,567 You know, just losing... 2150 01:36:16,604 --> 01:36:20,062 And, uh... 2151 01:36:20,107 --> 01:36:23,565 just so many... 2152 01:36:23,611 --> 01:36:25,408 so many good people. 2153 01:36:25,446 --> 01:36:29,075 And... uh... 2154 01:36:29,116 --> 01:36:33,075 You know, like any war, 2155 01:36:33,120 --> 01:36:35,953 you wonder why you came home. 2156 01:36:37,792 --> 01:36:41,250 [man singing indistinctly] 2157 01:36:41,295 --> 01:36:44,264 [music continues] 2158 01:36:44,298 --> 01:36:47,495 ? ? 2159 01:36:47,535 --> 01:36:49,765 [keyboard clacking] 2160 01:36:49,804 --> 01:36:52,932 - Mark collected all of our writings, 2161 01:36:52,973 --> 01:36:55,874 pieces that all of us had done about what had gone wrong 2162 01:36:55,910 --> 01:36:57,935 in the ways that we studied previous drugs 2163 01:36:57,978 --> 01:37:00,446 and what we were already doing wrong 2164 01:37:00,481 --> 01:37:01,709 in terms of trying to figure out 2165 01:37:01,749 --> 01:37:03,376 whether the protease inhibitors worked, 2166 01:37:03,417 --> 01:37:04,884 and we published it as this big report 2167 01:37:04,919 --> 01:37:06,853 and started passing them out everywhere we went. 2168 01:37:06,887 --> 01:37:08,286 Let's do this study. 2169 01:37:08,322 --> 01:37:09,721 - They elevated themselves 2170 01:37:09,757 --> 01:37:13,284 by their own self-education about these things, 2171 01:37:13,327 --> 01:37:14,794 and then it became very, very clear 2172 01:37:14,829 --> 01:37:16,797 that you weren't gonna mess with these people, 2173 01:37:16,831 --> 01:37:19,959 because they knew exactly what you were talking about, 2174 01:37:20,000 --> 01:37:22,468 and they knew exactly what they were talking about. 2175 01:37:22,503 --> 01:37:24,801 - Activists created a system 2176 01:37:24,839 --> 01:37:26,136 that was able to do everything 2177 01:37:26,173 --> 01:37:28,471 faster, better, cheaper, 2178 01:37:28,509 --> 01:37:31,774 more ethically, and more effectively. 2179 01:37:31,812 --> 01:37:33,643 - They forced people to put together 2180 01:37:33,681 --> 01:37:35,410 the right clinical trials, 2181 01:37:35,449 --> 01:37:37,644 where you had the patient in mind, 2182 01:37:37,685 --> 01:37:39,983 and you weren't cutting corners. 2183 01:37:40,020 --> 01:37:41,487 And, of course, the big breakthrough 2184 01:37:41,522 --> 01:37:42,921 was combination therapy, 2185 01:37:42,957 --> 01:37:46,154 'cause monotherapy was clearly not the way to go. 2186 01:37:46,193 --> 01:37:47,660 - So let's go back into patients, 2187 01:37:47,695 --> 01:37:48,992 and let's go back into patients 2188 01:37:49,029 --> 01:37:51,520 with Crixivan plus AZT plus 3TC. 2189 01:37:51,565 --> 01:37:53,499 - The activists proposed a study design; 2190 01:37:53,534 --> 01:37:54,660 industry used it. 2191 01:37:54,702 --> 01:37:56,829 It got the drug approved in six months. 2192 01:37:56,871 --> 01:37:58,668 - So I was at a meeting in Washington, 2193 01:37:58,706 --> 01:38:01,334 and I stood up there, 2194 01:38:01,375 --> 01:38:05,334 and I showed for the first time the data in the study. 2195 01:38:05,379 --> 01:38:07,006 - The data goes up on the screen, 2196 01:38:07,047 --> 01:38:10,175 and everyone gasps, and cameras start to click. 2197 01:38:10,217 --> 01:38:12,617 And just����it's a realization that this is����� 2198 01:38:12,653 --> 01:38:15,520 this is a really great drug, and it�����it could work. 2199 01:38:15,556 --> 01:38:17,683 - I remember sitting there in a hotel room 2200 01:38:17,725 --> 01:38:18,851 in Washington, D.C., 2201 01:38:18,893 --> 01:38:21,361 our hotel banquet room, 2202 01:38:21,395 --> 01:38:23,693 and just crying. 2203 01:38:23,731 --> 01:38:26,529 It was like, "We did it. We did something." 2204 01:38:26,567 --> 01:38:28,194 - It was too much to take in at that point. 2205 01:38:28,235 --> 01:38:29,327 It wasn't until we started 2206 01:38:29,370 --> 01:38:31,361 putting the drugs in our bodies 2207 01:38:31,405 --> 01:38:34,033 and we all went home and... 2208 01:38:34,074 --> 01:38:36,702 started����� went straight on that regimen 2209 01:38:36,744 --> 01:38:38,871 that had been on that slide, 2210 01:38:38,913 --> 01:38:43,213 including Crixivan and two nucleoside analogues. 2211 01:38:43,250 --> 01:38:45,047 And sure enough, 2212 01:38:45,085 --> 01:38:47,553 it happened in us within 30 days, 2213 01:38:47,588 --> 01:38:48,714 all of us. 2214 01:38:48,756 --> 01:38:50,951 Undetectable, undetectable, undetectable. 2215 01:38:50,991 --> 01:38:54,984 - The dying was stopping with triple-drug combination. 2216 01:38:55,029 --> 01:38:57,554 And if you needed your clinical trial, 2217 01:38:57,598 --> 01:38:59,225 you could just go to these hospitals 2218 01:38:59,266 --> 01:39:00,733 that were not filling up 2219 01:39:00,768 --> 01:39:03,566 the way they were filling up with people with HlV. 2220 01:39:03,604 --> 01:39:05,902 - You would see their Kaposi's sarcoma lesions 2221 01:39:05,940 --> 01:39:10,240 that had been bright and red and big 2222 01:39:10,277 --> 01:39:12,245 melting back into their skin. 2223 01:39:12,279 --> 01:39:13,940 - They were calling it the Lazarus effect. 2224 01:39:13,981 --> 01:39:16,575 People who were deathly ill would get put on this drug, 2225 01:39:16,617 --> 01:39:18,744 and all of a sudden, they're working again. 2226 01:39:18,786 --> 01:39:21,050 That was a phenomenal feeling. 2227 01:39:21,088 --> 01:39:22,419 - It worked. 2228 01:39:22,456 --> 01:39:25,118 You know, we did something remarkable. 2229 01:39:25,159 --> 01:39:26,592 - So that breakthrough, you know, 2230 01:39:26,627 --> 01:39:31,428 that we thought was gonna happen in '88 or '89 2231 01:39:31,465 --> 01:39:33,592 if we just worked fast enough, 2232 01:39:33,634 --> 01:39:35,295 you know, it did happen. 2233 01:39:38,806 --> 01:39:41,639 But not until '96, and so... 2234 01:39:43,310 --> 01:39:45,107 You know, a lot of people died. 2235 01:39:45,145 --> 01:39:48,945 Maybe if Reagan had started putting money into AlDS 2236 01:39:48,983 --> 01:39:50,814 a little earlier... 2237 01:39:55,823 --> 01:39:58,121 [sniffles] 2238 01:39:58,158 --> 01:39:59,284 [sighs] 2239 01:39:59,326 --> 01:40:01,123 They wouldn't all be dead. 2240 01:40:01,161 --> 01:40:04,130 [sniffles] 2241 01:40:04,164 --> 01:40:06,257 - I feel very fortunate. 2242 01:40:06,300 --> 01:40:10,964 And there's probably a lot of complicated reasons why, 2243 01:40:11,005 --> 01:40:12,973 but I still find it very difficult 2244 01:40:13,007 --> 01:40:14,474 to plan for the future 2245 01:40:14,508 --> 01:40:16,806 and/or accept that 2246 01:40:16,844 --> 01:40:21,247 I will have a long life, 2247 01:40:21,281 --> 01:40:24,910 which is unfortunate, because I've had a long life, 2248 01:40:24,952 --> 01:40:29,480 and I've been living with AlDS for 20 years. 2249 01:40:29,523 --> 01:40:34,654 But it's hard for me to relax into life. 2250 01:40:34,695 --> 01:40:37,664 - I know lots of us went through 2251 01:40:37,698 --> 01:40:41,327 really difficult times after, 2252 01:40:41,368 --> 01:40:43,495 um, trying to figure out, 2253 01:40:43,537 --> 01:40:45,664 "Well, what do I do now?" 2254 01:40:45,706 --> 01:40:47,139 You know? 2255 01:40:47,174 --> 01:40:49,802 Not just because I didn't think I had a future and now I do, 2256 01:40:49,843 --> 01:40:53,506 so I have to make some plans, but... 2257 01:40:53,547 --> 01:40:57,176 How do I do something else that is as... 2258 01:40:57,217 --> 01:40:58,844 [sighs] 2259 01:40:58,886 --> 01:41:00,683 I mean, it's a weird word, 2260 01:41:00,721 --> 01:41:05,021 but as fulfilling as that work has been. 2261 01:41:05,059 --> 01:41:10,019 - To be that threatened 2262 01:41:10,064 --> 01:41:15,195 with extinction, um... 2263 01:41:15,235 --> 01:41:21,037 And to not lay down, um... 2264 01:41:21,075 --> 01:41:23,873 But instead to stand up 2265 01:41:23,911 --> 01:41:27,711 and to fight back. 2266 01:41:27,748 --> 01:41:29,716 The way we did it, 2267 01:41:29,750 --> 01:41:33,709 the way we took care of ourselves and each other, 2268 01:41:33,754 --> 01:41:37,053 the goodness that we showed, 2269 01:41:37,091 --> 01:41:40,720 the humanity that we showed the world 2270 01:41:40,761 --> 01:41:43,059 is just mind-boggling, 2271 01:41:43,097 --> 01:41:45,895 just incredible. 2272 01:41:45,933 --> 01:41:46,957 crowd: Fight AlDS! 2273 01:41:47,000 --> 01:41:49,195 Act up! Fight back! 2274 01:41:49,236 --> 01:41:50,396 Fight AlDS! 2275 01:41:50,437 --> 01:41:52,064 - Every single drug that's out there 2276 01:41:52,106 --> 01:41:54,904 is because of ACT UP, I am convinced. 2277 01:41:54,942 --> 01:41:57,240 We had the brainpower, and we had the street power. 2278 01:41:57,277 --> 01:41:59,245 We had the good cops and the bad cops. 2279 01:41:59,279 --> 01:42:01,076 The government didn't get us the drugs. 2280 01:42:01,115 --> 01:42:03,242 No one else got us the drugs. 2281 01:42:03,283 --> 01:42:07,083 We, ACT UP, got those drugs out there. 2282 01:42:07,121 --> 01:42:09,919 It is the proudest achievement 2283 01:42:09,957 --> 01:42:12,255 that the gay population of this world 2284 01:42:12,292 --> 01:42:13,850 can ever claim. 2285 01:42:13,894 --> 01:42:16,089 - We could do it because we could deliver 2286 01:42:16,130 --> 01:42:19,224 hundreds and sometimes thousands of bodies. 2287 01:42:19,266 --> 01:42:22,758 We had people with AlDS putting their bodies on the line, 2288 01:42:22,803 --> 01:42:24,100 flopping out in the streets, 2289 01:42:24,138 --> 01:42:26,402 saying, "Fine, this is my body. 2290 01:42:26,440 --> 01:42:27,771 Take me away." 2291 01:42:27,808 --> 01:42:29,002 - I drew the line there. 2292 01:42:29,042 --> 01:42:30,942 [chuckles] 2293 01:42:30,978 --> 01:42:32,445 I didn't want to get arrested. 2294 01:42:32,479 --> 01:42:34,606 [laughs] 2295 01:42:34,648 --> 01:42:36,479 That far, I wouldn't go. 2296 01:42:38,819 --> 01:42:41,788 [upbeat rock music] 2297 01:42:41,822 --> 01:42:47,454 ? ? 2298 01:42:47,494 --> 01:42:50,793 - ? Keeping up ? 2299 01:42:50,831 --> 01:42:55,029 ? Keeping up with the feeling, oh, yeah ? 2300 01:42:55,068 --> 01:42:57,628 ? Getting to know what you like ? 2301 01:42:57,671 --> 01:42:59,798 ? And what you love ? 2302 01:42:59,840 --> 01:43:01,967 - I'd like to close with words written 2303 01:43:02,009 --> 01:43:04,637 by fellow AlDS activist Vito Russo: 2304 01:43:04,678 --> 01:43:09,479 "When future generations ask what we did in the war, 2305 01:43:09,516 --> 01:43:11,211 "we have to be able to tell them 2306 01:43:11,251 --> 01:43:13,378 "that we were out here fighting, 2307 01:43:13,420 --> 01:43:15,479 "and we have to leave a legacy 2308 01:43:15,522 --> 01:43:19,151 "to the generations of people who will come after us. 2309 01:43:19,193 --> 01:43:23,653 "Remember that someday the AlDS crisis will be over. 2310 01:43:23,697 --> 01:43:26,325 "And when that day has come and gone, 2311 01:43:26,366 --> 01:43:29,164 "there will be a people alive on this Earth, 2312 01:43:29,203 --> 01:43:31,171 "gay people and straight people, 2313 01:43:31,205 --> 01:43:32,832 "black people and white people, 2314 01:43:32,873 --> 01:43:34,170 "men and women, 2315 01:43:34,208 --> 01:43:36,005 "who will hear the story 2316 01:43:36,043 --> 01:43:39,342 "that once there was a terrible disease, 2317 01:43:39,379 --> 01:43:42,678 "and that a brave group of people stood up and fought���� 2318 01:43:42,716 --> 01:43:44,513 "and in some cases died����� 2319 01:43:44,551 --> 01:43:47,520 so that others might live and be free." 2320 01:43:47,554 --> 01:43:48,782 ? ? 2321 01:43:48,822 --> 01:43:50,517 - ? And there's ? 2322 01:43:50,557 --> 01:43:52,115 ? And there's ? 2323 01:43:52,159 --> 01:43:54,684 ? And there's no end in sight ? 2324 01:43:54,728 --> 01:43:56,525 ? And there's ? 2325 01:43:56,563 --> 01:43:57,860 ? And there's ? 2326 01:43:57,898 --> 01:44:00,298 ? And there's no end in sight ? 2327 01:44:00,334 --> 01:44:05,397 ? ? 2328 01:44:06,873 --> 01:44:09,933 - We might have a federal charge if they get picky. 2329 01:44:09,977 --> 01:44:12,844 - Great. Leavenworth, here we come. 2330 01:44:12,879 --> 01:44:15,814 ? ? 2331 01:44:15,849 --> 01:44:17,180 - An invoice? 2332 01:44:17,217 --> 01:44:22,519 [indistinct chatter] 2333 01:44:22,556 --> 01:44:25,047 [laughter] 2334 01:44:25,092 --> 01:44:27,890 - ? Keeping up ? 2335 01:44:27,928 --> 01:44:29,327 ? Keeping up ? 2336 01:44:29,363 --> 01:44:31,797 - Green, green. 2337 01:44:31,832 --> 01:44:34,801 - Ouch, that hurts. 2338 01:44:34,835 --> 01:44:35,995 - ? Keeping it up ? 2339 01:44:36,036 --> 01:44:40,029 ? Keeping it up ? 2340 01:44:40,073 --> 01:44:43,736 - lnformation is essential so that doctors and patients 2341 01:44:43,777 --> 01:44:46,075 can make intelligent treatment decisions. 2342 01:44:46,113 --> 01:44:49,082 ? ? 2343 01:44:49,116 --> 01:44:50,242 - Okay, all right. 2344 01:44:50,284 --> 01:44:51,911 Do I have to hold the red button? 2345 01:44:51,952 --> 01:44:54,147 - No, you can let go, okay. 2346 01:44:54,187 --> 01:44:55,745 - I'm really glad to see everybody here. 2347 01:44:55,789 --> 01:44:56,915 You look really good. 2348 01:44:56,957 --> 01:44:59,357 [scattered laughter] 2349 01:44:59,393 --> 01:45:02,362 - ? Try to keep up in time ? 2350 01:45:02,396 --> 01:45:04,591 - I'd like to suggest it would not be unethical 2351 01:45:04,631 --> 01:45:08,158 to do a randomized trial of two different prevention programs. 2352 01:45:08,201 --> 01:45:11,193 ? ? 2353 01:45:11,238 --> 01:45:13,263 - If we don't eradicate HlV everywhere, 2354 01:45:13,307 --> 01:45:16,174 we will never eradicate it anywhere. 2355 01:45:16,209 --> 01:45:18,700 - ? Keeping up ? 2356 01:45:18,745 --> 01:45:20,838 ? Keeping up ? 2357 01:45:20,881 --> 01:45:22,781 - We may march without incident, 2358 01:45:22,816 --> 01:45:24,613 or they may arrest us. 2359 01:45:24,651 --> 01:45:26,414 But it'll be fun. 2360 01:45:26,453 --> 01:45:31,789 ? ? 2361 01:45:31,825 --> 01:45:33,520 - About the plane in Sky Magazine. 2362 01:45:33,560 --> 01:45:35,050 [woman laughs] 2363 01:45:35,095 --> 01:45:38,030 ? ? 2364 01:45:38,065 --> 01:45:42,627 - [singing indistinctly] 2365 01:45:42,669 --> 01:45:44,000 - ? And there's ? 2366 01:45:44,037 --> 01:45:45,971 ? And there's ? 2367 01:45:46,006 --> 01:45:48,804 ? And there's no end in sight ? 2368 01:45:48,842 --> 01:45:50,309 ? And there's ? 2369 01:45:50,344 --> 01:45:52,073 ? And there's ? 2370 01:45:52,112 --> 01:45:54,637 ? And there's no end in sight ? 2371 01:45:54,681 --> 01:45:57,980 ? Keeping up ? 2372 01:45:58,018 --> 01:46:00,043 ? Keeping up ? 2373 01:46:00,087 --> 01:46:03,989 - In just over two years, 2374 01:46:04,024 --> 01:46:06,959 that drug went from test tube to full approval. 2375 01:46:06,993 --> 01:46:10,190 - ? Heartbeat won't go slow ? 2376 01:46:10,230 --> 01:46:11,822 ? And when it's knowing ? 2377 01:46:11,865 --> 01:46:16,564 ? That you will be there tonight ? 2378 01:46:16,603 --> 01:46:19,538 ? Keeping up ? 2379 01:46:19,573 --> 01:46:22,133 ? Keeping up ? 2380 01:46:22,175 --> 01:46:23,540 ? Keeping ? 2381 01:46:23,577 --> 01:46:25,738 ? Keepin' it up ? 2382 01:46:25,779 --> 01:46:26,837 ? Trying to keep going ? 2383 01:46:26,880 --> 01:46:29,371 ? There's no end in sight ? 2384 01:46:29,416 --> 01:46:32,044 ? Keeping up ? 2385 01:46:32,085 --> 01:46:35,486 ? Keeping up ? 2386 01:46:35,522 --> 01:46:36,784 ? Keeping up ? 2387 01:46:36,823 --> 01:46:38,882 [music ends] 2388 01:46:41,561 --> 01:46:44,530 [whimsical music] 2389 01:46:44,564 --> 01:46:52,562 ? ? 2390 01:46:53,907 --> 01:46:57,035 - ? In the dark of night ? 2391 01:46:57,077 --> 01:46:59,875 ? I lay myself ? 2392 01:46:59,913 --> 01:47:03,212 ? To rest ? 2393 01:47:03,250 --> 01:47:08,882 ? Step out of the strange light ? 2394 01:47:08,922 --> 01:47:11,220 - ? I go to bed ? 2395 01:47:11,258 --> 01:47:13,385 ? For the blanket's quilted ? 2396 01:47:13,427 --> 01:47:17,386 ? And I am dead ? 2397 01:47:17,431 --> 01:47:20,229 ? I turn to the stars ? 2398 01:47:20,267 --> 01:47:23,395 - ? Stars over my bed ? 2399 01:47:23,437 --> 01:47:28,238 ? ? 2400 01:47:28,275 --> 01:47:33,577 - ? Come to life ? 2401 01:47:33,613 --> 01:47:34,580 ? Again ? 2402 01:47:34,614 --> 01:47:36,741 ? ? 2403 01:47:36,783 --> 01:47:39,251 - ? Again ? 2404 01:47:39,286 --> 01:47:44,588 both: ? Come to life ? 2405 01:47:44,624 --> 01:47:46,421 ? Again ? 2406 01:47:46,460 --> 01:47:51,591 - ? Baby's basketball ? 2407 01:47:51,631 --> 01:47:56,762 ? And I will bounce along ? 2408 01:47:56,803 --> 01:48:01,263 ? Look over my shoulder ? 2409 01:48:01,308 --> 01:48:05,768 both: ? See if I am wrong ? 2410 01:48:05,812 --> 01:48:13,810 ? ? 2411 01:48:21,661 --> 01:48:24,630 ? In the dark of night ? 2412 01:48:24,664 --> 01:48:27,633 ? I lay myself ? 2413 01:48:27,667 --> 01:48:30,636 ? To rest ? 2414 01:48:30,670 --> 01:48:36,472 ? Step out of the strange light ? 2415 01:48:36,510 --> 01:48:38,978 - ? I go to bed ? 2416 01:48:39,012 --> 01:48:40,809 ? For the blanket's quilted ? 2417 01:48:40,847 --> 01:48:44,977 ? And I am dead ? 2418 01:48:45,018 --> 01:48:47,987 ? And I turn to the stars ? 2419 01:48:48,021 --> 01:48:50,990 - ? Stars over my bed ? 2420 01:48:51,024 --> 01:48:55,825 ? ? 2421 01:48:55,862 --> 01:49:01,323 both: ? Come to life ? 2422 01:49:01,368 --> 01:49:02,335 ? Again ? 2423 01:49:02,369 --> 01:49:04,496 ? ? 2424 01:49:04,538 --> 01:49:07,006 - ? Again ? 2425 01:49:07,040 --> 01:49:12,171 both: ? Come to life ? 2426 01:49:12,212 --> 01:49:13,509 ? Again ? 2427 01:49:13,547 --> 01:49:16,516 [whimsical music] 2428 01:49:16,550 --> 01:49:24,548 ? ? 177411

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