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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:01:21,013 --> 00:01:22,374 Welcome to ACT UP! 2 00:01:22,549 --> 00:01:24,768 We are the AIDS coalition to unleash power. 3 00:01:25,818 --> 00:01:29,130 A diverse non-partisan group of individuals united in anger 4 00:01:29,155 --> 00:01:32,992 and committed to direct action to... ...end the AIDS crisis! 5 00:01:33,893 --> 00:01:35,934 Less than 12 hours from now, 6 00:01:36,828 --> 00:01:40,412 we are going to be taking over city hall! 7 00:01:43,169 --> 00:01:44,850 ACT UP, fight back, fight AIDS! 8 00:01:44,971 --> 00:01:45,671 Yes? 9 00:01:46,206 --> 00:01:48,650 Mr. mayor, in campaigning for the lesbian and gay vote in an 10 00:01:48,675 --> 00:01:51,286 election year, a bit of historical context is necessary 11 00:01:51,311 --> 00:01:53,468 in dealing with the AIDS crisis in New York City. 12 00:01:53,513 --> 00:01:57,392 It wasn't until 1983 that you met with people to deal with the AIDS crisis. 13 00:01:57,417 --> 00:01:59,961 - How do you respond to these criticisms? - That is a falsehood. 14 00:01:59,986 --> 00:02:03,063 Please, anybody who's thinking about being arrested, 15 00:02:03,088 --> 00:02:06,333 fill out a support sheet, make sure your support person knows 16 00:02:06,358 --> 00:02:09,016 who you are and what group you're in... yeah? 17 00:02:09,996 --> 00:02:13,868 If we end up in the tombs, is there like, a queer tank 18 00:02:14,032 --> 00:02:17,868 there and would you recommend that we ask to be there? 19 00:02:18,037 --> 00:02:20,882 There is a homo-tank and I've been there and it's 20 00:02:20,907 --> 00:02:23,296 better than the straight tank, let me tell you. 21 00:02:23,408 --> 00:02:24,360 Who else? Yes? 22 00:02:24,544 --> 00:02:27,488 In the past, you've described act up as fascist, yet in the press 23 00:02:27,513 --> 00:02:30,489 release, you called them "concerned citizens" and I was 24 00:02:30,550 --> 00:02:31,925 wondering what changed your mind? 25 00:02:31,950 --> 00:02:34,398 Well, I don't think you can't use both. 26 00:02:34,887 --> 00:02:38,593 Fascists can be concerned citizens and I don't believe 27 00:02:41,426 --> 00:02:44,698 they are fascists, I think they have used a fascist tactic. 28 00:02:44,964 --> 00:02:48,508 Let us celebrate together tonight, the end of the last day 29 00:02:49,669 --> 00:02:52,908 on which Ed Koch can tell himself that the communities 30 00:02:52,972 --> 00:02:56,446 which are being decimated by this epidemic are so weak and 31 00:02:56,809 --> 00:03:01,402 so divided among themselves, that he can keep serving us this kind of bullshit. 32 00:03:01,913 --> 00:03:04,776 Tomorrow morning he will begin to learn the truth! 33 00:03:06,752 --> 00:03:10,430 ACT UP, stand tall, tomorrow morning at city hall! 34 00:03:10,455 --> 00:03:11,748 ACT UP, stand tall, 35 00:03:12,758 --> 00:03:14,702 tomorrow morning at city hall! 36 00:03:14,727 --> 00:03:16,020 ACT UP, stand tall, 37 00:03:16,962 --> 00:03:18,873 tomorrow morning at city hall! 38 00:03:18,898 --> 00:03:20,327 ACT UP, stand tall... 39 00:03:53,633 --> 00:03:57,905 We're talking to Jim Eigo from the treatment issues committee of ACT UP. 40 00:03:58,404 --> 00:04:00,374 Jim, what specific treatment issues are being 41 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,216 brought into this demonstration this week? 42 00:04:02,241 --> 00:04:05,378 The municipal hospitals are totally falling apart. 43 00:04:05,645 --> 00:04:07,954 More than half of the people that get diagnosed with AIDS 44 00:04:07,979 --> 00:04:11,753 today get diagnosed in the emergency rooms of our city. 45 00:04:11,950 --> 00:04:14,030 You're going to find yourself waiting four days in an 46 00:04:14,052 --> 00:04:16,187 emergency room before you get a bed. 47 00:04:17,656 --> 00:04:19,425 Pretty scared, but being 48 00:04:20,425 --> 00:04:23,071 HIV-positive, I don't have much choice in the matter. 49 00:04:23,096 --> 00:04:26,521 I just love all these people, and I think what we're doing is 50 00:04:26,547 --> 00:04:30,278 really right and I mean, listen to this and look at all the people. 51 00:04:30,303 --> 00:04:33,480 It's just really wonderful and it's worth putting yourself on the line for. 52 00:04:33,505 --> 00:04:34,881 ...there is no accurate diagnosis. 53 00:04:34,906 --> 00:04:38,585 There are incentives in the city hospitals not to diagnose people 54 00:04:38,745 --> 00:04:41,704 with AIDS and therefore, people don't get treated. 55 00:04:42,315 --> 00:04:45,621 We are angry at the way this city has handled this crisis 56 00:04:45,718 --> 00:04:50,939 and we demand that ed Koch exert leadership and declare a state of emergency. 57 00:04:53,125 --> 00:04:56,436 Go in the street now or wait, those are the options. 58 00:04:56,461 --> 00:04:58,230 - One, he says go. - Go now. 59 00:04:58,531 --> 00:04:59,755 Says now, three. 60 00:05:00,899 --> 00:05:01,599 Tom? 61 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:02,977 Go now, Tom says. 62 00:05:03,002 --> 00:05:04,679 We're standing here with Larry Kramer. 63 00:05:04,704 --> 00:05:07,028 What is ACT UP trying to say today to Ed Koch? 64 00:05:07,105 --> 00:05:09,650 We're sending a message to public officials, to closeted 65 00:05:09,675 --> 00:05:13,487 public officials, that we won't be shat on anymore and obviously 66 00:05:13,613 --> 00:05:14,855 all the AIDS issues. 67 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:16,640 I would love to see like, more cameras or 68 00:05:16,666 --> 00:05:18,525 something, you know, for our own protection. 69 00:05:18,550 --> 00:05:20,034 Did everyone hear his concern? 70 00:05:20,153 --> 00:05:22,897 People die every day, friends get sick every day. 71 00:05:22,922 --> 00:05:24,866 It's like being in the trenches. 72 00:05:24,891 --> 00:05:27,899 There's such anger in the community and it is coalescing 73 00:05:28,060 --> 00:05:30,578 in a way that has never been done before. 74 00:05:30,997 --> 00:05:34,145 Okay, which way do we face girlfriends, this way or that way? 75 00:05:41,874 --> 00:05:44,239 Healthcare is a right, healthcare is a right! 76 00:05:44,310 --> 00:05:47,475 Healthcare is a right, healthcare is a right! 77 00:05:47,846 --> 00:05:51,078 Healthcare is a right, healthcare is a right! 78 00:05:51,451 --> 00:05:52,116 Pump up the budget! 79 00:05:52,151 --> 00:05:54,915 Healthcare is a right, healthcare is a right! 80 00:05:54,987 --> 00:05:57,732 You are currently in violation of law by obstructing 81 00:05:57,757 --> 00:05:59,730 vehicular pedestrian traffic. 82 00:05:59,992 --> 00:06:02,963 You have the option of leaving at this time, otherwise... 83 00:06:07,098 --> 00:06:08,500 ACT UP! 84 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:09,744 Fight back! 85 00:06:09,769 --> 00:06:10,517 Fight AIDS! 86 00:06:42,502 --> 00:06:44,636 ACT UP! 87 00:06:57,216 --> 00:06:58,917 Fight back, fight AIDS! 88 00:07:17,370 --> 00:07:19,513 I guess I'm feeling pretty helpless at the moment. 89 00:07:19,538 --> 00:07:22,749 I think like, the biggest question that I'm facing 90 00:07:22,774 --> 00:07:24,883 now is how to remain hopeful in 91 00:07:27,045 --> 00:07:28,950 the face of increasing loss. 92 00:07:31,117 --> 00:07:33,546 I don't know, maybe it sounds really corny but I... 93 00:07:33,752 --> 00:07:35,861 As difficult as the time is for 94 00:07:39,658 --> 00:07:41,291 us... I like being alive. 95 00:07:44,329 --> 00:07:49,413 And I love my friends and I love my family. 96 00:07:49,634 --> 00:07:51,379 I love the people around me. 97 00:07:51,404 --> 00:07:53,047 I'm going to die from this. 98 00:07:53,072 --> 00:07:56,009 This isn't going to be cured for years and years and years. 99 00:07:58,944 --> 00:07:59,720 Doctor's office. 100 00:07:59,745 --> 00:08:01,378 Hi, it's Peter Staley. 101 00:08:01,714 --> 00:08:03,687 ...it's like living in a war, 102 00:08:04,016 --> 00:08:07,460 all around me, friends are dropping dead and you're scared 103 00:08:08,588 --> 00:08:10,502 for your own life, all at the same time. 104 00:08:13,425 --> 00:08:17,037 I was diagnosed with AIDS-related complex while I was 105 00:08:17,062 --> 00:08:19,347 working as a bond trader on wall street. 106 00:08:21,166 --> 00:08:22,459 I had night sweats. 107 00:08:22,802 --> 00:08:26,809 I began to get dry, patchy, scaly, itchy skin on my face. 108 00:08:27,740 --> 00:08:29,617 And I would get sick constantly. 109 00:08:29,642 --> 00:08:31,819 Colds would lay me up for weeks. 110 00:08:33,779 --> 00:08:37,888 I started to look around in desperation for ways that I 111 00:08:39,884 --> 00:08:41,857 could find treatments to help 112 00:08:45,191 --> 00:08:48,969 save my life... um... And there was nothing coming out 113 00:08:49,928 --> 00:08:52,956 of our government's efforts, I quickly realized. 114 00:08:59,205 --> 00:09:03,019 Everything I read said I had about two years to live, at most. 115 00:09:03,976 --> 00:09:05,309 - What do we want? - A cure! 116 00:09:05,610 --> 00:09:07,379 - When do we want it? - Now! 117 00:09:08,014 --> 00:09:09,459 - What do we want? - A cure! 118 00:09:10,115 --> 00:09:11,616 - When do we want it? - Now! 119 00:09:12,283 --> 00:09:13,697 - What do we want? - A cure! 120 00:09:14,153 --> 00:09:15,620 - When do we want it? - Now! 121 00:09:16,154 --> 00:09:20,788 I was on my way to work and I got handed a flyer about act up and AIDS. 122 00:09:22,028 --> 00:09:24,137 My mentor says, "if you ask me, 123 00:09:24,397 --> 00:09:27,378 I think they all deserve to die because they took it up the butt." 124 00:09:28,333 --> 00:09:32,858 I was deeply closeted and I had to just stew about it for the rest of the day. 125 00:09:36,107 --> 00:09:38,328 I got myself to the very next ACT UP meeting. 126 00:09:39,110 --> 00:09:42,195 They could just tap into that immediate anger and get stuff done. 127 00:09:48,654 --> 00:09:51,491 ...we will not leave until an administrator meets with us 128 00:09:51,590 --> 00:09:54,567 and tells us that St. Vincent's is willing to make a public 129 00:09:54,592 --> 00:09:58,285 statement condemning gay and lesbian violence. 130 00:10:05,004 --> 00:10:06,297 All those in favor? 131 00:10:08,841 --> 00:10:10,065 All those opposed? 132 00:10:14,312 --> 00:10:15,156 They're coming! 133 00:10:15,181 --> 00:10:16,657 You see them right there. 134 00:10:16,682 --> 00:10:17,858 You've heard about ACT UP. 135 00:10:17,883 --> 00:10:19,159 You've seen our flyers. 136 00:10:19,184 --> 00:10:20,728 The kiss-in happens tonight. 137 00:10:20,753 --> 00:10:21,653 ACT UP! 138 00:10:22,187 --> 00:10:22,935 Fight back! 139 00:10:23,121 --> 00:10:24,013 Make love! 140 00:10:24,048 --> 00:10:24,906 ACT UP! 141 00:10:24,990 --> 00:10:25,738 Whoo, whoo! 142 00:10:28,994 --> 00:10:30,236 I'll deal with the cameras. 143 00:10:30,261 --> 00:10:32,477 Are you the security guard that was beating people up? 144 00:10:41,841 --> 00:10:44,350 Members of the mainstream media were thrown out, as we 145 00:10:44,375 --> 00:10:46,552 were earlier on, but Steve Zabel 146 00:10:46,946 --> 00:10:50,004 and I came back in and we're bringing you this exclusive footage. 147 00:10:50,115 --> 00:10:51,036 Don't destroy property! 148 00:10:51,049 --> 00:10:52,225 You're destroying property. 149 00:10:52,250 --> 00:10:54,795 Well, actually you damaged some human property last week. 150 00:10:54,820 --> 00:10:55,528 You damaged people. 151 00:10:55,553 --> 00:10:57,697 You will not beat up on faggots and you will not beat up 152 00:10:57,722 --> 00:11:01,244 on lesbians in hospitals in our own community. 153 00:11:02,027 --> 00:11:04,437 Two gay women were beaten up and when her lover came to 154 00:11:04,462 --> 00:11:05,840 respond... you know the story. 155 00:11:05,865 --> 00:11:08,341 And another story was when two gay guys came in, one was sick 156 00:11:08,366 --> 00:11:11,244 with AIDS, the security guard told him to get the fuck out of 157 00:11:11,269 --> 00:11:13,214 here and called him "faggot." 158 00:11:13,239 --> 00:11:15,715 I think if you're gonna work, especially in Greenwich village, 159 00:11:15,740 --> 00:11:18,660 you should have some sensitivity training, 'cause we're not gonna have it. 160 00:11:19,043 --> 00:11:21,560 I'm willing to meet with three people if the rest of you leave. 161 00:11:22,581 --> 00:11:24,701 Okay, one at a time, one at a time. 162 00:11:24,850 --> 00:11:25,893 It's unclear how to play it. 163 00:11:25,918 --> 00:11:28,229 My own instinct would be to say, "we'll be glad to meet with you, 164 00:11:28,254 --> 00:11:30,605 and when the meeting's over, we'll leave." 165 00:11:30,655 --> 00:11:32,672 Not to leave before the meeting takes place. 166 00:11:33,091 --> 00:11:34,035 Gregg. 167 00:11:34,125 --> 00:11:36,436 We've shown the kind of power we can have by immediate action, 168 00:11:36,461 --> 00:11:38,708 by sticking together, by reaching a consensus together. 169 00:11:38,798 --> 00:11:41,041 We should take this in steps and we should be cool-headed. 170 00:11:41,066 --> 00:11:42,815 I'm going to take a straw poll, Okay? 171 00:11:43,302 --> 00:11:46,411 ...and we agreed to leave the waiting room while he met with 172 00:11:46,905 --> 00:11:48,249 three of our representatives: 173 00:11:48,274 --> 00:11:51,710 Gregg, Jerry and Neil, in that public space right there. 174 00:11:51,811 --> 00:11:55,735 And then we would stick around out here and wait to see what the outcome was. 175 00:11:57,216 --> 00:12:00,597 So I said, "enough of this, this job is gonna kill me." 176 00:12:00,753 --> 00:12:02,658 So, I went on disability and 177 00:12:05,090 --> 00:12:07,677 decided to become a full-time AIDS activist. 178 00:12:28,947 --> 00:12:31,826 In the beginning, what drugs did we have? 179 00:12:31,851 --> 00:12:32,871 We had nothing. 180 00:12:33,619 --> 00:12:35,524 And the pneumonia could come 181 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:39,756 on like that, and be gone and that person is dead. 182 00:12:41,460 --> 00:12:46,001 The skin lesions, the Kaposi's sarcoma was... people would be 183 00:12:47,265 --> 00:12:49,238 coming in with a purple spot. 184 00:12:49,902 --> 00:12:52,580 Everybody was coming in with, "what is this spot? 185 00:12:52,605 --> 00:12:53,898 What is that spot?" 186 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,951 You'd have some guys come in with k.S. On their face and 187 00:12:56,976 --> 00:12:59,813 they'd be putting makeup on their face and they'd be... 188 00:13:01,046 --> 00:13:03,223 It was... and they were lucky if 189 00:13:04,884 --> 00:13:06,292 it just stayed in the skin. 190 00:13:06,317 --> 00:13:08,461 If it didn't go into their lungs, and then if it went into 191 00:13:08,486 --> 00:13:11,955 their lungs, chemo didn't work and then they were gone. 192 00:13:12,457 --> 00:13:16,063 You were grasping at straws for everything because these are 193 00:13:16,361 --> 00:13:17,858 young, vibrant people. 194 00:13:20,099 --> 00:13:22,120 And all of a sudden they're being snatched. 195 00:13:24,102 --> 00:13:26,356 I think everything has to be put in perspective. 196 00:14:03,442 --> 00:14:04,242 Larry? 197 00:14:14,687 --> 00:14:16,320 Iris long is lifesaving. 198 00:14:18,923 --> 00:14:22,075 If you can't hear in the back and you want to, just shout it out, please. 199 00:14:26,631 --> 00:14:31,146 This is a report from the American society of microbiology, 200 00:14:31,147 --> 00:14:34,307 a conference I went to at the end of may. 201 00:14:35,073 --> 00:14:35,873 Quiet! 202 00:14:37,275 --> 00:14:40,682 There were many infections talked about, including AIDS 203 00:14:40,779 --> 00:14:42,820 at this conference, and it was 204 00:14:43,414 --> 00:14:47,789 overwhelming to know how many pathogens, bacteria, fungus, 205 00:14:50,022 --> 00:14:52,131 protozoas and viruses there are 206 00:14:53,292 --> 00:14:55,333 out there that can really make 207 00:14:57,895 --> 00:14:58,983 you very sick... 208 00:15:01,734 --> 00:15:05,707 One day this woman just showed up, this housewife who had been a scientist and 209 00:15:06,205 --> 00:15:09,919 still was, and said, "you guys don't know diddly about what this is. 210 00:15:10,576 --> 00:15:14,686 And anybody who wants to learn about the system, how it works, 211 00:15:15,714 --> 00:15:19,292 how grants are made, how the science works, how everything 212 00:15:19,317 --> 00:15:23,029 works, how the N.I.H. Works, how the F.D.A. Works, how you 213 00:15:23,054 --> 00:15:27,801 can deal with all this enormous amount of material, I'll teach you." 214 00:15:27,826 --> 00:15:32,289 There should be much more funding than there is for infectious diseases. 215 00:15:32,630 --> 00:15:34,059 Iris was not gay, but 216 00:15:34,700 --> 00:15:39,174 she could not see, with what was going on around her and what 217 00:15:39,505 --> 00:15:43,651 she knew, not reaching out to the affected communities of AIDS. 218 00:15:45,376 --> 00:15:48,345 I waited and went up to iris afterwards and said, 219 00:15:48,846 --> 00:15:52,290 "I'm interested in what you were saying, I'd like to know more, 220 00:15:52,384 --> 00:15:53,608 I'd like to help." 221 00:15:53,785 --> 00:15:55,826 And a few people joined her, 222 00:15:56,288 --> 00:15:59,032 and that became a bigger and bigger group and that became the 223 00:15:59,057 --> 00:16:00,566 treatment and data committee: 224 00:16:00,591 --> 00:16:01,291 T & D. 225 00:16:02,226 --> 00:16:04,504 They're still getting a hell of a lot more money than 226 00:16:04,529 --> 00:16:06,940 actually getting those treatments in... ...it was kind of a dorky 227 00:16:06,965 --> 00:16:11,473 activity for a bunch of east village hipsters and artists to sit around reading 228 00:16:12,104 --> 00:16:13,805 medical journal articles. 229 00:16:13,938 --> 00:16:17,024 We called it science club, like it was chess club or something. 230 00:16:17,208 --> 00:16:18,637 There aren't drugs. 231 00:16:19,577 --> 00:16:22,588 Individual after individual had to come to grips 232 00:16:23,282 --> 00:16:27,127 with the fact that "I will survive the longest, the most I 233 00:16:27,152 --> 00:16:30,539 know about what I'm putting into my body." 234 00:16:31,190 --> 00:16:34,193 So they all had to be become scientists, to some degree. 235 00:16:34,426 --> 00:16:36,570 And what I'd like everyone to do is to keep on thinking of 236 00:16:36,595 --> 00:16:39,605 ways to refine these things to make them more clear to people 237 00:16:39,630 --> 00:16:41,546 that don't necessarily know the issues. 238 00:16:41,732 --> 00:16:44,445 Like, 'o. I.', no one knows what 'o. I.' Is... Okay, so I wrote it 239 00:16:44,470 --> 00:16:46,057 here, just 'cause it's shorthand. 240 00:16:46,370 --> 00:16:49,048 Only 17% of people in their trials have been taking drugs 241 00:16:49,073 --> 00:16:51,360 for opportunistic infections or cancers... 242 00:16:51,509 --> 00:16:54,053 Mark wasn't like the big, beefcakey guy. 243 00:16:54,078 --> 00:16:56,933 He was super smart, smoked nonstop. 244 00:16:57,950 --> 00:17:00,790 Right away, Mark digested, as by osmosis, 245 00:17:02,587 --> 00:17:03,335 everything. 246 00:17:03,589 --> 00:17:07,166 And within a few weeks, he had come up with a glossary of AIDS 247 00:17:08,259 --> 00:17:12,770 treatment terms and we started giving it out in our meetings. 248 00:17:16,768 --> 00:17:19,780 Next we have an announcement by Tom Dwayne regarding housing. 249 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:24,251 This is Bernard Braverman, who's in danger of being evicted 250 00:17:24,276 --> 00:17:28,474 from his apartment that he shared with his life partner for many, many years. 251 00:17:28,646 --> 00:17:31,792 His life partner died and the landlord wants Bernard out of 252 00:17:31,817 --> 00:17:34,675 his home, because his name was not on the lease. 253 00:17:36,020 --> 00:17:37,365 What's his landlord's address? 254 00:17:39,825 --> 00:17:42,703 There are cards here to fill out to write to the governor. 255 00:17:42,728 --> 00:17:45,805 Let's make sure our voices are heard in New York City 256 00:17:45,830 --> 00:17:49,478 to save the homes of p.W.A.S and other non-traditional families. 257 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:50,500 Thank you. 258 00:18:02,213 --> 00:18:04,224 I just want to say something about what's just happened. 259 00:18:04,249 --> 00:18:06,693 I've realized we haven't done anything yet for him and we 260 00:18:06,718 --> 00:18:09,428 haven't been effective and we haven't been powerful. 261 00:18:09,453 --> 00:18:10,473 But we will be. 262 00:18:11,423 --> 00:18:13,734 It's very inspiring to know that the power in this room is 263 00:18:13,759 --> 00:18:16,420 potentially available to each and every one of us. 264 00:18:21,833 --> 00:18:22,921 One, two, three. 265 00:18:28,941 --> 00:18:29,641 Good? 266 00:18:30,842 --> 00:18:31,508 How's it? 267 00:18:31,509 --> 00:18:33,190 Is that as good as daddy's or better? 268 00:18:34,145 --> 00:18:35,233 You're better. 269 00:18:35,446 --> 00:18:36,146 Yay! 270 00:18:37,215 --> 00:18:38,729 Would you like daddy to try it? 271 00:18:39,250 --> 00:18:40,202 Are you ready? 272 00:18:45,757 --> 00:18:47,186 That's not very good. 273 00:18:50,429 --> 00:18:51,517 One, two, three. 274 00:18:52,931 --> 00:18:57,410 I know this sounds ironic, considering that it ended in divorce, but I think it 275 00:18:58,103 --> 00:19:02,717 is fair to say it is the only really successful love affair of my life. 276 00:19:09,413 --> 00:19:10,842 I came out at age 40. 277 00:19:11,950 --> 00:19:14,898 It was very bad timing to come out in the middle of an epidemic. 278 00:19:16,954 --> 00:19:19,032 The question is what does a decent society do with people 279 00:19:19,057 --> 00:19:21,435 who hurt themselves because they're human, who smoke too 280 00:19:21,460 --> 00:19:25,394 much, who eat too much, who drive carelessly, who don't have safe sex? 281 00:19:25,797 --> 00:19:28,045 I think the answer is that a decent society does not put 282 00:19:28,066 --> 00:19:31,820 people out to pasture and let them die because they've done a human thing. 283 00:19:42,681 --> 00:19:44,224 For the first time today, the government approved 284 00:19:44,249 --> 00:19:46,465 prescription sales of a drug to treat AIDS. 285 00:19:46,852 --> 00:19:50,296 The drug, A.Z.T., is not a cure for the disease, but it has 286 00:19:50,321 --> 00:19:52,606 prolonged the lives of some AIDS victims. 287 00:19:52,891 --> 00:19:55,574 It's the only government-approved AIDS drug in America. 288 00:19:56,161 --> 00:20:00,210 But even this most promising of drugs is a source of frustration and anger. 289 00:20:01,032 --> 00:20:02,801 At $10,000 a year cost per 290 00:20:03,134 --> 00:20:07,726 patient, it's prohibitively expensive for most and not widely available. 291 00:20:08,073 --> 00:20:10,650 Out of the bars and into the streets! 292 00:20:10,675 --> 00:20:12,965 Out of the bars and into the streets! 293 00:20:13,045 --> 00:20:15,522 A.Z.T. Was the most expensive drug in history; 294 00:20:15,547 --> 00:20:17,384 They charge $10,000 a year. 295 00:20:17,915 --> 00:20:21,763 We need to get a substantial price reduction out of this company. 296 00:20:22,453 --> 00:20:24,965 The incident began at 10 this morning when four AIDS 297 00:20:24,990 --> 00:20:28,601 activists took over an office at Burroughs Wellcome, saying they 298 00:20:28,626 --> 00:20:32,269 had enough food and water to stay holed up for a long time. 299 00:20:32,663 --> 00:20:36,654 The activists are demanding that Burroughs Wellcome lower its price of A.Z.T. 300 00:20:37,202 --> 00:20:39,906 Burroughs Wellcome is profiting off of our lives, 301 00:20:40,105 --> 00:20:41,605 that's why we did today what we did. 302 00:20:42,273 --> 00:20:44,450 And, if they don't see to, start 303 00:20:45,544 --> 00:20:49,188 listening to my community, to our community, the AIDS 304 00:20:49,213 --> 00:20:51,126 community, then we're gonna be back. 305 00:21:35,894 --> 00:21:38,732 One of the worst, worst things was when people 306 00:21:39,029 --> 00:21:44,109 died in the hospital, they used to put them in black trash bags. 307 00:21:47,138 --> 00:21:47,838 It was... 308 00:21:50,808 --> 00:21:52,169 It was really awful. 309 00:21:53,912 --> 00:21:58,123 And not every funeral parlor would take patients who had died 310 00:21:59,651 --> 00:22:00,351 of AIDS. 311 00:22:00,484 --> 00:22:02,321 But so the least we could 312 00:22:03,188 --> 00:22:05,025 offer is sympathy and moral 313 00:22:05,923 --> 00:22:08,100 support, you know, and kindness, 314 00:22:09,428 --> 00:22:10,312 and so forth. 315 00:22:10,796 --> 00:22:12,813 And that they deserved, in any case. 316 00:22:14,465 --> 00:22:18,000 And when even that became denied, you know, by the 317 00:22:19,304 --> 00:22:22,880 totalitarian rules of organizations, of institutions, 318 00:22:23,642 --> 00:22:25,343 it was really horrifying. 319 00:22:27,179 --> 00:22:30,453 It is the most frightening medical mystery of our times. 320 00:22:30,481 --> 00:22:35,036 AIDS victims must deal with the trauma of being both a patient and a pariah. 321 00:22:35,287 --> 00:22:37,328 I hate to use the word "gay" 322 00:22:37,756 --> 00:22:39,525 in connection with sodomy. 323 00:22:41,859 --> 00:22:45,235 There's nothing gay about these people, engaging in incredibly 324 00:22:45,963 --> 00:22:50,531 offensive and revolting conduct that has led to the proliferation of AIDS. 325 00:22:51,303 --> 00:22:53,072 There is a feeling among 326 00:22:54,105 --> 00:22:56,078 members of any of a number of 327 00:22:56,641 --> 00:23:00,184 professions or just the general population, that patients with 328 00:23:01,246 --> 00:23:04,895 AIDS, many of whom are homosexual, are a little bit different. 329 00:23:04,950 --> 00:23:08,488 I think that that has led to a little bit of a complacency 330 00:23:08,854 --> 00:23:11,972 about the approach towards this disease. 331 00:23:13,557 --> 00:23:15,401 In the absence of adequate health care, we have learned to 332 00:23:15,426 --> 00:23:20,434 become our own clinicians, researchers, lobbyists, drug smugglers, pharmacists. 333 00:23:20,464 --> 00:23:24,077 We have our own libraries, newspapers, drug stores, and laboratories. 334 00:23:24,102 --> 00:23:28,148 Some of the medications that were made available were not effective. 335 00:23:28,173 --> 00:23:30,550 They were in this category that we called "what the hell" drugs, 336 00:23:30,575 --> 00:23:33,086 which is there's some evidence it could be useful, 337 00:23:33,111 --> 00:23:35,821 it's unlikely to be harmful... what the hell. 338 00:23:35,846 --> 00:23:36,934 Should I type? 339 00:23:39,651 --> 00:23:40,531 Yes, type. 340 00:23:44,221 --> 00:23:45,241 Take your time. 341 00:23:45,824 --> 00:23:46,708 Where are we? 342 00:23:46,825 --> 00:23:50,936 We're at the people with AIDS health group, the largest underground buyers' 343 00:23:50,961 --> 00:23:52,730 club in the United States. 344 00:23:53,999 --> 00:23:55,375 And what do you do here? 345 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:59,103 We help people import drugs from other countries, um, 346 00:23:59,604 --> 00:24:00,914 that are unapproved here. 347 00:24:00,939 --> 00:24:05,114 Peptide T, albendazole, oral amphotericin b, um, we have a 348 00:24:05,710 --> 00:24:08,745 whole variety of things for your treatment pleasure. 349 00:24:11,082 --> 00:24:13,191 None of which work, by the way. 350 00:24:13,218 --> 00:24:14,034 Put that in. 351 00:24:15,586 --> 00:24:19,198 People with AIDS, what they were mostly thinking about was 352 00:24:19,223 --> 00:24:21,373 "oh, drugs, how do I get it off-market? 353 00:24:22,059 --> 00:24:25,539 How do I... will we ever get a black market for this drug? 354 00:24:25,564 --> 00:24:27,307 I hear this is good and..." 355 00:24:27,332 --> 00:24:29,309 It was iris who helped us see: 356 00:24:29,334 --> 00:24:31,511 We don't want a... black market, 357 00:24:33,270 --> 00:24:35,006 we want to make the real market work. 358 00:24:37,409 --> 00:24:38,109 Try it. 359 00:24:50,488 --> 00:24:53,011 Hi, I'm Mark Harrington from ACT UP New York. 360 00:24:53,625 --> 00:24:57,171 Recently, a lot of activists have been asking why ACT UP is going... 361 00:24:58,063 --> 00:25:01,006 Uh, you've got to start over, I've gotta do that... I've gotta do that over. 362 00:25:01,031 --> 00:25:02,509 You can just start yourself over. 363 00:25:02,534 --> 00:25:05,011 But I did - but I won't get that wonderful cigarette-lighting thing. 364 00:25:05,036 --> 00:25:07,080 I think the cigarette maybe is not going to work. 365 00:25:07,105 --> 00:25:08,625 I shouldn't use the cigarette at all? 366 00:25:09,007 --> 00:25:09,707 Really? 367 00:25:09,740 --> 00:25:12,276 I don't think so, it's too, um... too much. 368 00:25:12,611 --> 00:25:13,359 Too much? 369 00:25:17,848 --> 00:25:20,338 Hi, I'm Mark Harrington from ACT UP New York. 370 00:25:20,919 --> 00:25:24,135 A lot of people have been asking why are AIDS activists going to the F.D.A.? 371 00:25:24,623 --> 00:25:26,832 First of all, you have to understand that the F.D.A. Is 372 00:25:26,857 --> 00:25:29,135 one of the many federal AIDS bureaucracies which we're angry 373 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,471 with for not doing enough in the fight against AIDS. 374 00:25:31,496 --> 00:25:33,138 Half the people who take A.Z.T. 375 00:25:33,163 --> 00:25:35,274 Can't take it 'cause of side effects, and therefore, 376 00:25:35,299 --> 00:25:38,911 the F.D.A. Has to take a more activist stance in the experimental process. 377 00:25:38,936 --> 00:25:42,148 And only the F.D.A. Has the power under existing laws and 378 00:25:42,173 --> 00:25:45,978 regulations to release the drugs that we want released now. 379 00:25:46,344 --> 00:25:47,092 How's that? 380 00:25:49,346 --> 00:25:50,046 Chanting group approaches: 381 00:25:50,048 --> 00:25:51,424 A.Z.T. Is not enough! 382 00:25:51,449 --> 00:25:53,354 Give us all the other stuff! 383 00:25:53,451 --> 00:25:54,880 A.Z.T. Is not enough! 384 00:25:55,487 --> 00:25:57,392 Give us all the other stuff! 385 00:25:57,422 --> 00:25:58,851 A.Z.T. Is not enough! 386 00:25:59,423 --> 00:26:01,234 Give us all the other stuff! 387 00:26:01,259 --> 00:26:02,824 It takes nine months to 388 00:26:03,294 --> 00:26:07,461 test a drug in Europe... in Belgium, in France, in Germany, in england. 389 00:26:07,632 --> 00:26:11,976 We are not asking the F.D.A. To release dangerous drugs without 390 00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:13,763 safety or efficacy. 391 00:26:14,506 --> 00:26:16,615 We are simply asking the F.D.A. 392 00:26:17,409 --> 00:26:18,565 To do it quicker. 393 00:26:19,376 --> 00:26:20,396 Drugs for sale! 394 00:26:20,711 --> 00:26:21,731 Drugs for sale! 395 00:26:22,346 --> 00:26:23,822 Dextran sulfate for sale. 396 00:26:23,847 --> 00:26:25,024 Get your dextran here. 397 00:26:25,049 --> 00:26:26,682 You can't get it inside. 398 00:26:29,354 --> 00:26:31,267 ...f. D.A., but we're selling it anyway. 399 00:26:31,623 --> 00:26:33,392 $30 for dextran sulfate! 400 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:36,574 Release the drugs now! 401 00:26:37,127 --> 00:26:38,624 Release the drugs now! 402 00:26:39,263 --> 00:26:40,760 Release the drugs now! 403 00:26:41,799 --> 00:26:43,704 ...get to work, get to work! 404 00:26:44,035 --> 00:26:45,736 Get to work, get to work! 405 00:26:46,171 --> 00:26:47,940 ...guilty, guilty, guilty! 406 00:26:48,306 --> 00:26:49,871 Guilty, guilty, guilty! 407 00:26:50,407 --> 00:26:51,972 Guilty, guilty, guilty! 408 00:26:53,278 --> 00:26:55,388 ...seize control, seize control! 409 00:26:55,413 --> 00:26:57,386 Seize control, seize control! 410 00:26:58,215 --> 00:26:58,915 Keep it moving! 411 00:26:58,916 --> 00:26:59,936 Keep it moving! 412 00:27:00,384 --> 00:27:01,327 Seize control! 413 00:27:01,352 --> 00:27:03,461 Seize control, seize control... 414 00:27:04,189 --> 00:27:05,064 Fight AIDS! 415 00:27:05,089 --> 00:27:05,789 ACT UP! 416 00:27:05,890 --> 00:27:06,556 Fight back! 417 00:27:06,557 --> 00:27:07,305 Fight AIDS! 418 00:27:11,596 --> 00:27:12,548 Seize control! 419 00:27:13,230 --> 00:27:14,674 Seize control, seize control! 420 00:27:14,699 --> 00:27:15,651 Seize control, 421 00:27:16,567 --> 00:27:18,540 seize control, seize control! 422 00:27:23,842 --> 00:27:24,930 Seize control! 423 00:27:48,298 --> 00:27:52,011 Tell us why you got arrested, where are they taking you, what's going on today? 424 00:27:52,036 --> 00:27:53,864 We don't know what's... where they're taking us. 425 00:27:53,872 --> 00:27:56,282 We're here because this government has the resources 426 00:27:56,307 --> 00:27:59,557 to deal with the AIDS epidemic, and they won't do it unless we force them. 427 00:27:59,611 --> 00:28:01,788 I.J. Hutchins reports live from Rockville, 428 00:28:01,813 --> 00:28:04,657 where the massive protest is wrapping up... I.J.? 429 00:28:04,682 --> 00:28:07,494 Well, Jim, it's being billed as one of Montgomery county's biggest 430 00:28:07,519 --> 00:28:10,029 demonstrations in recent history and it went off smoothly. 431 00:28:10,054 --> 00:28:12,095 185 arrests, as a coalition of 432 00:28:12,490 --> 00:28:15,919 gay groups came to Rockville to shut down the F.D.A. 433 00:28:19,163 --> 00:28:22,821 Tonight, from Washington, crossfire, against all odds. 434 00:28:23,300 --> 00:28:24,933 On the left, Tom Braden. 435 00:28:25,202 --> 00:28:27,039 On the right, pat Buchanan. 436 00:28:27,404 --> 00:28:32,031 In the crossfire, Peter Staley of the New York AIDS coalition to unleash power. 437 00:28:32,343 --> 00:28:35,815 Peter Staley, you have the AIDS virus, and I am sorry. 438 00:28:37,949 --> 00:28:39,854 But don't you think that the 439 00:28:40,117 --> 00:28:44,095 federal drug administration has a responsibility not to let 440 00:28:45,455 --> 00:28:47,632 people, such as you, have quacks 441 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,093 that could cause even more harm than you already have? 442 00:28:53,631 --> 00:28:57,238 The problem is, is that the F.D.A. Is using the same 443 00:28:57,902 --> 00:28:59,875 process to test a nasal spray 444 00:29:00,838 --> 00:29:03,908 as it is to test AIDS drugs, and it's a 7-10 year process. 445 00:29:04,174 --> 00:29:05,417 You have the F.D.A. 446 00:29:05,442 --> 00:29:06,666 Giving you a drug. 447 00:29:07,178 --> 00:29:08,879 So far, you've got A.Z.T. 448 00:29:09,346 --> 00:29:12,524 Why... - which I can't take because it's too... far too toxic 449 00:29:12,549 --> 00:29:14,927 and over half the people that have HIV can't take. 450 00:29:14,952 --> 00:29:16,789 Okay, but the F.D.A. Says 451 00:29:17,654 --> 00:29:22,435 there is nothing else that is worth anything. 452 00:29:22,460 --> 00:29:25,437 Mr. Staley, this is gonna astonish you, but I agree with you a hundred percent. 453 00:29:25,462 --> 00:29:27,740 I think if someone's got AIDS and someone wants to take a 454 00:29:27,765 --> 00:29:31,276 drug, it's their life and if it gives them hope, you ought to be able to take it. 455 00:29:31,301 --> 00:29:34,313 What I want to ask you is whether you know of anything 456 00:29:34,338 --> 00:29:37,317 that you think might be some kind of miraculous cure that 457 00:29:37,342 --> 00:29:38,920 you think they're sitting on at F.D.A. 458 00:29:39,544 --> 00:29:42,789 There are over 140 drugs out there that the F.D.A. Has 459 00:29:42,814 --> 00:29:44,719 identified as possibilities, 460 00:29:45,682 --> 00:29:48,594 and are in some stage of being looked at right now. 461 00:29:48,619 --> 00:29:49,629 Why are they holding back? 462 00:29:49,654 --> 00:29:53,531 Among that 140, there's gotta be one or a combination thereof 463 00:29:53,825 --> 00:29:57,928 that can, that can slow down this virus or halt it in its tracks. 464 00:29:58,162 --> 00:30:00,740 You're just simply carrying the virus, is that correct? 465 00:30:00,765 --> 00:30:05,055 I have a few very minor symptoms and my immune system is virtually shot. 466 00:30:05,336 --> 00:30:06,457 What would you like to take? 467 00:30:06,471 --> 00:30:09,747 I would like to be able to take dextran sulfate... legally. 468 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:10,683 How would that hurt you? 469 00:30:10,708 --> 00:30:12,156 ...on the underground right now. 470 00:30:12,343 --> 00:30:13,785 Well, why not, Mr. Braden? 471 00:30:13,810 --> 00:30:16,990 Because... well, I don't know anything about dextran sulfate. 472 00:30:17,015 --> 00:30:17,823 Well, I'll tell you this: 473 00:30:17,848 --> 00:30:21,194 It's an over-the-counter drug in Japan and has been for 20 years. 474 00:30:21,352 --> 00:30:23,189 But - over-the-counter. 475 00:30:23,354 --> 00:30:26,232 But if the F.D.A. Says... I'm only asking that they 476 00:30:26,257 --> 00:30:31,016 be released after there's a minimal amount of efficacy, not a 100% test. 477 00:30:32,462 --> 00:30:35,799 You've got the pink triangle on your shirt, silence equals death. 478 00:30:35,967 --> 00:30:37,716 I gather that means you're a homosexual. 479 00:30:38,102 --> 00:30:40,245 - Yes. - Looking in the camera, what would you tell some 480 00:30:40,270 --> 00:30:43,380 kid, say you had a younger brother, 21 years old, who also 481 00:30:44,041 --> 00:30:46,218 might have homosexual tendencies, what would you tell 482 00:30:46,243 --> 00:30:48,221 him if you wanted him to live a long life? 483 00:30:48,246 --> 00:30:53,081 Use a condom, and also to use a lubricant, by the way, that has the medicine... 484 00:30:53,952 --> 00:30:55,594 this is Russian roulette. 485 00:30:55,619 --> 00:30:57,362 It is not Russian roulette. 486 00:30:57,387 --> 00:31:00,233 It is Russian roulette to not give people this information 487 00:31:00,258 --> 00:31:02,302 when human nature dictates that they're gonna 488 00:31:02,328 --> 00:31:04,169 go out there, and they're gonna have sex. 489 00:31:04,194 --> 00:31:06,406 - You mean celibacy is impossible? - It's just not gonna work. 490 00:31:06,431 --> 00:31:09,545 People aren't gonna do it, and lots, lots of people are gonna die. 491 00:31:09,599 --> 00:31:11,708 Now would you rather have a lot 492 00:31:12,403 --> 00:31:14,880 of people cheating on their celibacy with thousands of 493 00:31:14,905 --> 00:31:18,527 people dying, or would you rather save those lives and let them have sex? 494 00:31:18,809 --> 00:31:21,420 I think that, uh... Well, thank you very much, 495 00:31:21,445 --> 00:31:23,055 Peter Staley, thanks for being in our studio. 496 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,230 Mr. Braden and I will be back in in a minute. 497 00:31:28,952 --> 00:31:32,496 One of the things we wanted was a drug that you gave 498 00:31:32,757 --> 00:31:36,430 to people who had cytomegalovirus and advanced 499 00:31:37,194 --> 00:31:41,396 AIDS, because people who had both tended to go blind. 500 00:31:42,633 --> 00:31:44,130 It was called d.H.P.G. 501 00:32:14,664 --> 00:32:18,077 In a way similar to A.Z.T., it was highly toxic, but it was 502 00:32:18,102 --> 00:32:21,844 known to be effective because 6,000 people had already used 503 00:32:22,606 --> 00:32:25,462 the drug, but never in a clinical trial. 504 00:32:26,844 --> 00:32:28,000 Hey, hey, F.D.A.! 505 00:32:28,779 --> 00:32:30,661 How many people did you kill today? 506 00:32:31,315 --> 00:32:33,959 We are with Jim Eigo from ACT UP, and there's a major 507 00:32:33,984 --> 00:32:37,128 protest going on here in Bethesda over the drug d.H.P.G. 508 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:38,464 Tell us what's happening. 509 00:32:38,489 --> 00:32:41,764 Well, this is the second meeting of the bush commission 510 00:32:41,925 --> 00:32:45,972 for reviewing procedures for approving AIDS and cancer drugs. 511 00:32:45,997 --> 00:32:47,698 And we thought, since the 512 00:32:48,199 --> 00:32:51,767 non-approval of d.H.P.G. Is such a perfect example of how 513 00:32:52,202 --> 00:32:54,914 regulation has gone wrong, we'd bring it home to the 514 00:32:54,939 --> 00:32:58,523 commission itself by showing up here in force, and that's what we've done. 515 00:32:58,809 --> 00:33:01,954 Okay, also inside at the hearing itself, and I understand 516 00:33:01,979 --> 00:33:04,791 there's gonna be an action in just a little while when Ellen Cooper speaks. 517 00:33:04,816 --> 00:33:05,764 I guess so. 518 00:33:10,555 --> 00:33:11,798 What about d.H.P.G.? 519 00:33:11,823 --> 00:33:13,184 What about d.H.P.G.? 520 00:33:15,159 --> 00:33:18,368 Without the objective data, we feel that we would indeed be 521 00:33:19,297 --> 00:33:21,270 on, on treacherous grounds in 522 00:33:22,666 --> 00:33:25,811 defending that decision, and in fact would be wide open to the 523 00:33:25,836 --> 00:33:28,126 charge of arbitrary decision-making. 524 00:33:28,739 --> 00:33:30,508 Although, uh, we certainly 525 00:33:30,842 --> 00:33:32,591 wouldn't be be accused of being inflexible. 526 00:33:32,710 --> 00:33:35,878 You did it with A.Z.T., I don't see why you can't do it with... 527 00:33:36,346 --> 00:33:39,425 I mean, I have to say that the difference in the data 528 00:33:39,450 --> 00:33:41,491 between A.Z.T. And d.H.P.G. Is 529 00:33:42,053 --> 00:33:46,182 the difference between night and day, as far as... Sight and blindness. 530 00:33:46,590 --> 00:33:48,155 You're just as blind... 531 00:33:50,294 --> 00:33:54,258 ...since this meeting's started, and four more are gonna die before it's over. 532 00:33:54,298 --> 00:33:55,574 Who represents the patient on this panel? 533 00:33:55,599 --> 00:33:57,962 Where is the person of color on this panel? 534 00:33:58,269 --> 00:33:59,834 F.D.A. Relooks at the 535 00:34:01,204 --> 00:34:03,313 d.H.P.G. Data and suddenly, oh! 536 00:34:03,740 --> 00:34:05,033 Agrees with ACT UP. 537 00:34:06,943 --> 00:34:08,099 Ready for a vote? 538 00:34:09,347 --> 00:34:11,388 All in favor, raise your hand. 539 00:34:13,451 --> 00:34:14,199 One, two... 540 00:34:15,253 --> 00:34:16,750 Well, that's everyone. 541 00:34:20,791 --> 00:34:23,101 It was really an amazing encounter, but it sort 542 00:34:23,126 --> 00:34:25,770 of felt like reaching, uh, the wizard of oz, like, 543 00:34:25,795 --> 00:34:28,406 you've got to the center of the whole, of the whole system, 544 00:34:28,431 --> 00:34:30,643 and there's just this schmuck behind a curtain. 545 00:34:30,668 --> 00:34:33,446 There was no guiding agenda, there was no leadership, 546 00:34:33,471 --> 00:34:36,951 there was no global strategy for how to deal with AIDS in the U.S. 547 00:34:38,108 --> 00:34:41,518 And so, on the bus back from Bethesda, we decided to write a 548 00:34:41,846 --> 00:34:44,623 treatment agenda, because nobody was dealing with the entire map 549 00:34:44,648 --> 00:34:46,759 of AIDS, the entire constellation of opportunistic 550 00:34:46,784 --> 00:34:49,761 infections, the gaps in research, the underrepresented 551 00:34:49,786 --> 00:34:52,898 populations, the fact that the diseases and the drugs might 552 00:34:52,923 --> 00:34:54,244 be different in those populations. 553 00:34:54,257 --> 00:34:57,436 - How would we ever find out? - They weren't even being studied. 554 00:34:59,197 --> 00:35:00,694 ♪ In the dark of night 555 00:35:02,333 --> 00:35:03,898 I laid myself to rest ♪ 556 00:35:08,606 --> 00:35:10,647 ♪ step out of the strange... ♪ 557 00:35:12,275 --> 00:35:13,858 - Bye, Ron! - Bye, Bobby! 558 00:35:17,047 --> 00:35:18,958 Come on Catherine, let's go. It's time to go. 559 00:35:18,983 --> 00:35:19,683 Yeah. 560 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:24,020 ♪ Again ♪ 561 00:35:25,822 --> 00:35:27,115 ♪ come to life... ♪ 562 00:35:29,527 --> 00:35:30,888 ...knows no borders! 563 00:35:30,961 --> 00:35:32,049 The AIDS crisis! 564 00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:33,786 Knows no borders! 565 00:35:34,197 --> 00:35:35,285 The AIDS crisis! 566 00:35:35,733 --> 00:35:36,889 Knows no borders! 567 00:35:37,168 --> 00:35:38,256 The AIDS crisis! 568 00:35:38,735 --> 00:35:39,891 Knows no borders! 569 00:35:40,271 --> 00:35:41,359 The AIDS crisis! 570 00:35:41,972 --> 00:35:43,128 Knows no borders! 571 00:35:43,340 --> 00:35:44,428 The AIDS crisis! 572 00:35:45,041 --> 00:35:46,197 Knows no borders! 573 00:35:47,177 --> 00:35:49,855 I'd just like to say that the reasons I can't get any 574 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,292 of these drugs is 'cause for nine years now, the leadership 575 00:35:53,317 --> 00:35:57,193 in this country has failed to come up with a plan of action. 576 00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,461 They've failed to come up with a plan of research, a national 577 00:36:01,291 --> 00:36:02,379 research agenda. 578 00:36:02,927 --> 00:36:06,941 People with AIDS and their advocates have finally done this for them. 579 00:36:07,231 --> 00:36:07,979 This is it. 580 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:10,749 This is the plan we're presenting. 581 00:36:11,034 --> 00:36:13,913 We need our government to read this plan, we need them to work 582 00:36:13,938 --> 00:36:17,717 with us, if they want to change it a little, we'll talk to them. 583 00:36:17,742 --> 00:36:20,585 But I want them to adopt it, I want them to get started 584 00:36:20,610 --> 00:36:23,441 on it, I want them to save our lives. Thank you. 585 00:36:24,648 --> 00:36:28,860 I snuck around and grabbed, uh, grabbed one of those copies, 586 00:36:28,885 --> 00:36:30,790 and it was very interesting. 587 00:36:30,855 --> 00:36:32,897 We believe that the united states has a global 588 00:36:32,922 --> 00:36:36,168 responsibility to quickly develop effective treatments, 589 00:36:36,193 --> 00:36:39,272 not only for HIV infection itself, but for all of the 590 00:36:39,297 --> 00:36:41,607 opportunistic infections, which actually cause suffering and 591 00:36:41,632 --> 00:36:43,576 death in people living with AIDS. 592 00:36:43,601 --> 00:36:47,971 This is not a new agenda, and it is not an agenda of only ACT UP. 593 00:36:48,172 --> 00:36:49,681 Scientists agree with this. 594 00:36:49,706 --> 00:36:51,135 Why can't we have it? 595 00:36:51,309 --> 00:36:53,552 The researchers and regulators are going to have to 596 00:36:53,577 --> 00:36:57,355 come up with a parallel release program that will get drugs to 597 00:36:57,380 --> 00:37:00,993 the people who need it before the five years down the pipe 598 00:37:01,018 --> 00:37:02,966 where they may be approved by the F.D.A. 599 00:37:03,286 --> 00:37:06,327 I was scribbling madly in this copy of their, 600 00:37:06,356 --> 00:37:09,067 their AIDS treatment research agenda... I would go back and 601 00:37:09,092 --> 00:37:11,133 forth between saying, "no, no! 602 00:37:11,329 --> 00:37:13,038 They, they don't understand!" 603 00:37:13,063 --> 00:37:16,733 To saying, "whoa, you mean this isn't the way we're doing trials? 604 00:37:16,900 --> 00:37:19,862 You mean people aren't allowed to do this or that?" 605 00:37:19,969 --> 00:37:23,345 But I have to tell you that I was still not ready to sort of 606 00:37:23,673 --> 00:37:25,956 go up to them and try, try and engage. 607 00:37:26,476 --> 00:37:29,721 I brought this copy back and I distributed it to a small group 608 00:37:29,746 --> 00:37:34,560 of statisticians that was meeting regularly to talk about trial design issues. 609 00:37:34,585 --> 00:37:37,926 The people sitting around that table got as excited as I did. 610 00:37:38,422 --> 00:37:41,185 This had clearly been written by people who were very 611 00:37:42,059 --> 00:37:46,135 knowledgeable, very, very intelligent, and really wanted 612 00:37:46,864 --> 00:37:48,674 to do the trials the best possible way. 613 00:37:48,699 --> 00:37:50,076 They were not against trials. 614 00:37:50,101 --> 00:37:52,478 They wanted to get the right answers, but they wanted what 615 00:37:52,503 --> 00:37:54,272 they called humane trials. 616 00:37:54,438 --> 00:37:58,213 It all came together in Montreal, but what was new for 617 00:37:58,509 --> 00:38:02,161 ACT UP... we went to a drug company. 618 00:38:02,579 --> 00:38:05,123 There is renewed hope for people infected with AIDS. 619 00:38:05,148 --> 00:38:09,027 A new experimental drug, D.D.I., will be distributed on a limited 620 00:38:09,052 --> 00:38:13,398 basis for free this fall by its developer, the giant Bristol-Myers company. 621 00:38:13,423 --> 00:38:16,601 This marks the first time an anti-AIDS drug will be available 622 00:38:16,626 --> 00:38:18,740 even before safety testing is finished. 623 00:38:19,295 --> 00:38:22,475 Full A.Z.T. Treatment is too much for patient Peter Staley. 624 00:38:22,500 --> 00:38:26,112 For nine months, he's been limited to a quarter-dose of the drug, and wants D.D.I. 625 00:38:26,137 --> 00:38:27,413 As soon as possible. 626 00:38:27,438 --> 00:38:29,547 Do you need D.D.I. To live, do you think? 627 00:38:29,572 --> 00:38:31,477 Yes, I need, I need D.D.I. 628 00:38:31,942 --> 00:38:34,676 I probably need some other anti-virals beyond that. 629 00:38:35,179 --> 00:38:38,985 It is historic, it is because the AIDS activist community 630 00:38:39,282 --> 00:38:40,847 has obtained this drug. 631 00:38:41,217 --> 00:38:44,663 It is not the government, no one has given it to us, we have 632 00:38:44,688 --> 00:38:47,589 fought for it, and for the first time, we have won. 633 00:38:48,726 --> 00:38:51,971 So, by '89, less than a year after our F.D.A. Demo, they had 634 00:38:51,996 --> 00:38:55,007 approved a drug to prevent blindness in people with AIDS. 635 00:38:55,032 --> 00:38:58,441 And we had gotten expanded access to D.D.I., and that was 636 00:38:58,601 --> 00:39:00,234 a very powerful feeling. 637 00:39:00,371 --> 00:39:03,648 We felt like we were taking direct action and we were helping make 638 00:39:03,673 --> 00:39:05,170 people's lives better. 639 00:39:08,846 --> 00:39:12,083 I wasn't sure that A.Z.T. Or D.D.I. Were all that great, 640 00:39:12,148 --> 00:39:14,360 but we were beginning to get letters from people that said, 641 00:39:14,385 --> 00:39:16,594 "thank you for saving my eyesight, " " thank you, ACT UP, 642 00:39:16,619 --> 00:39:18,563 for getting me access to D.D.I. 643 00:39:18,588 --> 00:39:20,561 And helping to save my life." 644 00:39:27,398 --> 00:39:30,837 At Merck, HIV was an important scientific target. 645 00:39:33,070 --> 00:39:34,907 HIV, of course, is a virus. 646 00:39:35,438 --> 00:39:39,282 In order for the virus to infect an uninfected cell, it needs to 647 00:39:40,411 --> 00:39:42,846 construct itself in a particular way. 648 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,959 First, the viral RNA needs to transform itself into a DNA copy 649 00:39:48,985 --> 00:39:53,975 in order to knit itself into the nuclear DNA of the newly infected cell. 650 00:39:54,358 --> 00:39:57,790 This occurs by a process called reverse transcription. 651 00:39:58,027 --> 00:40:03,171 - A.Z.T. And D.D.I. Were both - Originally developed to try to 652 00:40:03,567 --> 00:40:06,733 inhibit that process of establishing infection. 653 00:40:07,237 --> 00:40:10,482 A number of other researchers began to focus on another 654 00:40:10,507 --> 00:40:14,622 portion of the viral life cycle, after the cell is already infected. 655 00:40:14,978 --> 00:40:18,853 One of the steps that it takes is that is... it makes a viral 656 00:40:19,983 --> 00:40:25,054 protein, it has to snip that viral protein in very specific places. 657 00:40:25,523 --> 00:40:30,512 The resulting pieces self-assemble to make the viral particle. 658 00:40:31,061 --> 00:40:33,639 And what does the snipping, and what in fact controls 659 00:40:33,664 --> 00:40:37,527 the snipping is a viral protein called the protease. 660 00:40:37,835 --> 00:40:41,547 If you genetically modify the viral protease so that it can no 661 00:40:41,572 --> 00:40:45,012 longer snip, the virus no longer has the ability to make those 662 00:40:45,175 --> 00:40:47,286 component pieces that it needs to make in order to 663 00:40:47,311 --> 00:40:50,515 self-assemble, and make an infectious viral particle. 664 00:40:51,949 --> 00:40:54,582 We solved the structure of HIV protease in 1989, 665 00:40:55,985 --> 00:40:58,162 and published it pretty quickly. 666 00:40:58,389 --> 00:41:01,600 I think, I think we saw the structure and within a few weeks 667 00:41:01,625 --> 00:41:02,935 it was in the literature. 668 00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,136 And then the question became "all right, can we prove it?" 669 00:41:05,161 --> 00:41:08,239 Can we prove it that that is in fact the case, and most 670 00:41:08,264 --> 00:41:12,072 importantly, can we prove that if you inhibit that protease, 671 00:41:12,369 --> 00:41:15,776 if you knock out its activity, that the virus can no longer 672 00:41:15,972 --> 00:41:19,652 replicate, and therefore make new progeny viral particles that 673 00:41:19,677 --> 00:41:22,378 would then go on and establish a new cycle of infection. 674 00:41:29,186 --> 00:41:31,096 AIDS is now the leading cause of death for men 675 00:41:31,121 --> 00:41:34,489 under 44 in New York and a half-dozen other cities, 676 00:41:34,757 --> 00:41:37,380 surpassing homicide and all other diseases. 677 00:41:37,427 --> 00:41:40,272 Yet Roman catholic bishops are meeting this week to publicly 678 00:41:40,297 --> 00:41:43,561 oppose the use of condoms as morally unacceptable. 679 00:41:44,233 --> 00:41:47,971 This puts them in direct opposition to U.S. public health policy. 680 00:41:49,974 --> 00:41:52,750 The new church position condemns not only the 681 00:41:52,775 --> 00:41:56,510 immorality of condoms, but their effectiveness, as well. 682 00:41:56,614 --> 00:42:00,326 The draft under consideration in Baltimore this week says it is 683 00:42:00,351 --> 00:42:04,527 quote, "a virtual certainty that reliance on condoms will result 684 00:42:04,688 --> 00:42:06,389 in transmission of AIDS." 685 00:42:06,990 --> 00:42:10,402 Of the bishop's proposed new policy, New York City health 686 00:42:10,427 --> 00:42:12,228 commissioner Stephen Joseph says... 687 00:42:12,695 --> 00:42:14,675 This would be a public health disaster. 688 00:42:14,998 --> 00:42:18,409 It would undoubtedly lead to more transmission, particularly 689 00:42:18,434 --> 00:42:22,581 in high-risk areas of the city, more disease and more death. 690 00:42:22,606 --> 00:42:26,685 Catholic conservatives say not just physical death but spiritual 691 00:42:26,710 --> 00:42:28,275 death is at issue here. 692 00:42:28,646 --> 00:42:32,290 As New York City's archbishop, John cardinal O'Connor put it... 693 00:42:32,315 --> 00:42:35,928 The use of prophylactics is immoral in a pluralistic society 694 00:42:36,753 --> 00:42:38,182 or any other society. 695 00:42:39,922 --> 00:42:43,502 I think that's it except, of course, we have Ann Northrop 696 00:42:43,527 --> 00:42:45,704 giving her sound bite technique. 697 00:42:54,804 --> 00:42:56,913 Uh, we want everybody to join 698 00:42:58,074 --> 00:43:00,047 us, to support us, to destroy 699 00:43:01,045 --> 00:43:04,116 the power of the catholic church, to make our side the 700 00:43:04,514 --> 00:43:06,351 strong one, and to do that, 701 00:43:06,884 --> 00:43:10,561 we must put out the message that we are the ones who are 702 00:43:10,586 --> 00:43:15,094 fighting for people's lives, and they are the murderers. 703 00:43:15,793 --> 00:43:17,766 Don't be afraid of the media. 704 00:43:18,262 --> 00:43:21,482 You're talking through them to the public. 705 00:43:21,699 --> 00:43:25,122 We are trying to arouse, to anger an action. 706 00:43:26,869 --> 00:43:31,700 And hone it down to, yes, a three-second bite, a five-second bite, 707 00:43:32,543 --> 00:43:36,654 just a phrase that will have an impact, that will say something 708 00:43:36,679 --> 00:43:40,068 specific and that will be understandable. 709 00:43:41,385 --> 00:43:42,085 So... 710 00:43:51,894 --> 00:43:53,663 I don't have a, uh, phrase 711 00:43:54,063 --> 00:43:57,326 worked out, and, uh, so you're all gonna have to create your 712 00:43:57,333 --> 00:43:59,238 own, so this is empowerment. 713 00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:05,140 ACT UP! 714 00:44:06,242 --> 00:44:06,942 ACT UP! 715 00:44:10,414 --> 00:44:11,230 ♪ Answer me, 716 00:44:12,181 --> 00:44:13,065 sweet Jesus ♪ 717 00:44:14,217 --> 00:44:15,714 ♪ won't you help me? ♪ 718 00:44:18,322 --> 00:44:20,232 Please, you're interfering with us, step back. 719 00:44:20,257 --> 00:44:21,400 This is Jesus Christ. 720 00:44:21,425 --> 00:44:24,087 I'm in front of St. Patrick's cathedral on Sunday. 721 00:44:24,661 --> 00:44:28,406 We're here reporting on a major AIDS activist and abortion-rights activist 722 00:44:28,431 --> 00:44:31,810 demonstration, which will be taking place here all morning. 723 00:44:31,835 --> 00:44:33,740 Inside, cardinal O'Connor is 724 00:44:34,438 --> 00:44:38,832 busy spreading his lies and rumors about the position of lesbians and gays. 725 00:44:39,175 --> 00:44:41,819 We're here to say we want to go to heaven, too. 726 00:44:59,496 --> 00:45:02,574 J.C. Here with the fire and brimstone network, and we'd like 727 00:45:02,599 --> 00:45:07,024 to ask you a little bit about this large vision that you've visited upon us. 728 00:45:07,137 --> 00:45:08,980 Well, we've decided to rename the cardinal. 729 00:45:09,005 --> 00:45:10,842 He's now cardinal O'Condom. 730 00:45:11,240 --> 00:45:14,550 This is our message to him that condoms are safe, it's no sin. 731 00:45:43,974 --> 00:45:45,062 Stop killing us! 732 00:45:45,541 --> 00:45:46,629 Stop killing us! 733 00:45:47,643 --> 00:45:48,731 Stop killing us! 734 00:45:49,413 --> 00:45:51,190 We're not gonna take it anymore! 735 00:45:51,514 --> 00:45:52,738 You're killing us! 736 00:45:53,016 --> 00:45:53,716 Stop it! 737 00:45:54,318 --> 00:45:55,018 Stop it! 738 00:45:55,652 --> 00:45:56,352 Stop it! 739 00:45:56,954 --> 00:45:57,654 Stop it! 740 00:45:58,222 --> 00:45:59,378 Stop it, stop it! 741 00:46:00,858 --> 00:46:01,558 Stop it! 742 00:46:04,126 --> 00:46:05,810 How many more have to die? 743 00:46:06,096 --> 00:46:07,865 How many more have to die? 744 00:46:08,164 --> 00:46:10,205 Saving lives is morally right! 745 00:46:10,934 --> 00:46:12,022 Those protesting 746 00:46:12,469 --> 00:46:15,604 believe that the protests will result in some change of 747 00:46:17,673 --> 00:46:20,434 environment, some change of attitudes, perhaps. 748 00:46:21,277 --> 00:46:25,254 The church will be teaching that homosexual activity is sinful, 749 00:46:26,016 --> 00:46:27,359 until the end of time. 750 00:46:27,384 --> 00:46:28,608 That won't change. 751 00:46:34,690 --> 00:46:36,326 This is July 22nd, 1989. 752 00:46:37,527 --> 00:46:40,529 Now Sara, what do you think about your dad being 44? 753 00:46:41,297 --> 00:46:41,997 Good. 754 00:46:43,500 --> 00:46:45,310 Thank you, thank you for your support. 755 00:46:45,335 --> 00:46:46,423 One, two, three. 756 00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,020 Yay... We did it. 757 00:46:54,744 --> 00:46:55,721 A lot of smoke. 758 00:46:55,746 --> 00:46:56,446 Oh, boy. 759 00:46:56,612 --> 00:46:58,290 I wish those candles would stop smoking. 760 00:46:58,315 --> 00:46:59,824 It's bad for their health. 761 00:46:59,849 --> 00:47:00,592 That's right. 762 00:47:00,617 --> 00:47:03,527 Okay, Robert Rafsky, do you have any remarks before you jump off 763 00:47:03,552 --> 00:47:04,663 the edge of the porch? 764 00:47:04,688 --> 00:47:07,299 I have no interest in jumping off the edge of the porch. 765 00:47:07,324 --> 00:47:08,299 I will jump up and down. 766 00:47:08,324 --> 00:47:10,034 I think 44 is a very fine age. 767 00:47:10,059 --> 00:47:13,499 It has a nice symmetry to it, it has a nice feeling to it. 768 00:47:13,530 --> 00:47:16,830 It's, uh, better than 22 and possibly better than 88. 769 00:47:16,967 --> 00:47:17,667 We'll see. 770 00:47:19,436 --> 00:47:21,045 Here's how we planned this. 771 00:47:21,070 --> 00:47:25,284 What we want to do is run this like a treatment and data meeting. 772 00:47:25,809 --> 00:47:28,552 A number of times we've had people come to a treatment and 773 00:47:28,577 --> 00:47:30,278 data meeting and speak on 774 00:47:31,148 --> 00:47:32,156 certain issues. 775 00:47:32,181 --> 00:47:35,219 We try to get in depth, we try to nail issues down. 776 00:47:35,851 --> 00:47:37,596 This isn't a free-for-all. 777 00:47:37,621 --> 00:47:39,540 Let's call it a working confrontation. 778 00:47:40,456 --> 00:47:42,021 So, why don't we start? 779 00:47:42,492 --> 00:47:44,261 This is Dr. Anthony Fauci. 780 00:47:45,161 --> 00:47:45,909 Bob Rafsky. 781 00:47:46,295 --> 00:47:50,138 I may be wrong, Dr. Fauci, but it's my understanding that 782 00:47:51,233 --> 00:47:55,243 thousands of people died from pneumonia because there was no 783 00:47:55,271 --> 00:47:58,150 priority within the government, or within the medical system 784 00:47:58,175 --> 00:48:00,148 as a whole, to push the known 785 00:48:01,378 --> 00:48:03,292 preventative treatments for a long time. 786 00:48:03,547 --> 00:48:06,394 Now those thousands of people are dead. 787 00:48:06,682 --> 00:48:10,161 It would seem to me that someone who was within the government 788 00:48:10,186 --> 00:48:14,022 while that took place, as you were, must have on their 789 00:48:14,490 --> 00:48:16,123 conscience these deaths. 790 00:48:16,827 --> 00:48:18,732 That is a tough one, um... 791 00:48:19,563 --> 00:48:20,719 No, it really is. 792 00:48:20,864 --> 00:48:24,375 It's inexcusable that an academic priority should ever, 793 00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,645 ever come before the health of the people that you're working 794 00:48:27,670 --> 00:48:29,081 with, there's no question about that. 795 00:48:29,106 --> 00:48:33,317 But the reality of the situation is there was a great reluctance 796 00:48:35,612 --> 00:48:37,109 among the community of 797 00:48:38,715 --> 00:48:42,561 everything from the scientists to the congress saying that what 798 00:48:43,085 --> 00:48:44,786 we should be doing is not 799 00:48:45,956 --> 00:48:49,933 telling investigators what to do, but we should allow them to 800 00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:52,871 do what they feel is the most important. 801 00:48:52,896 --> 00:48:56,440 Now that sounds awful when you're putting it in the context 802 00:48:56,465 --> 00:49:00,712 of what we're talking about here, but the whole world isn't in this room. 803 00:49:00,737 --> 00:49:02,621 Every 12 minutes someone dies! 804 00:49:02,873 --> 00:49:04,914 Protests won me a Nobel prize! 805 00:49:05,041 --> 00:49:07,228 Every 12 minutes, someone dies... 806 00:49:09,813 --> 00:49:13,916 AIDS activists stormed the government's premiere disease research center. 807 00:49:14,083 --> 00:49:17,706 The national institutes of health is where an AIDS cure might be found. 808 00:49:17,987 --> 00:49:20,965 It is where therapies are being tested in clinical trials. 809 00:49:20,990 --> 00:49:22,604 No more secret meetings! 810 00:49:23,059 --> 00:49:26,404 No more secret... Demonstrators blocked access to buildings. 811 00:49:26,429 --> 00:49:30,487 Scientists and administrators reporting to work stood around looking confused. 812 00:49:31,068 --> 00:49:35,212 Activists charged the bush administration with foot-dragging on AIDS research. 813 00:49:35,438 --> 00:49:38,516 It's not the amount of federal money allocated to it so much as 814 00:49:38,541 --> 00:49:40,485 how research priorities are defined. 815 00:49:40,510 --> 00:49:43,649 We need new drugs to keep people alive, but the NIH is 816 00:49:43,713 --> 00:49:46,157 only testing old drugs, drugs that we already have. 817 00:49:46,182 --> 00:49:47,826 Can you tell us what you're doing? 818 00:49:47,851 --> 00:49:50,982 Hi, I'm Jim Jenson and I'm in a clinical trial here. 819 00:49:51,054 --> 00:49:55,542 And right now, I'm observing and participating in the ACT UP demonstration. 820 00:49:55,592 --> 00:49:57,735 Why? Why do you support this action? 821 00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,747 Because we need far more AIDS research. 822 00:50:00,130 --> 00:50:01,272 And we're just beginning. 823 00:50:01,297 --> 00:50:02,706 What trial are you in? 824 00:50:02,731 --> 00:50:05,467 I'm in interleukin-2 A.Z.T. Combination study. 825 00:50:06,202 --> 00:50:07,846 Are there any women in your trial? 826 00:50:07,871 --> 00:50:09,271 No, there aren't any women at all. 827 00:50:09,572 --> 00:50:10,660 People of color? 828 00:50:10,739 --> 00:50:12,150 Uh, no, there are not. 829 00:50:12,175 --> 00:50:13,553 Why do you think that is? 830 00:50:13,844 --> 00:50:16,398 Just the beginning of the problem. 831 00:50:17,012 --> 00:50:17,680 Murder, murder! 832 00:50:17,681 --> 00:50:20,129 There are three major things that control stupidity, 833 00:50:21,485 --> 00:50:23,050 incompetence and greed. 834 00:50:23,420 --> 00:50:25,764 Those are the three major driving forces behind what's 835 00:50:25,789 --> 00:50:28,299 going on here and why there are no treatments out there for 836 00:50:28,324 --> 00:50:30,501 people living with this disease. 837 00:50:30,726 --> 00:50:33,938 In that building down that way, Dr. Anthony Fauci is deciding 838 00:50:33,963 --> 00:50:35,833 the research priorities for the national 839 00:50:35,859 --> 00:50:37,976 institutes of allergy and infectious diseases. 840 00:50:38,001 --> 00:50:40,244 We're down here 'cause we think we should be deciding the 841 00:50:40,269 --> 00:50:42,447 research priorities, because these are the people who know 842 00:50:42,472 --> 00:50:45,241 what's going on 'cause they're dealing with it every day. 843 00:50:54,550 --> 00:50:56,201 The whole world is watching! 844 00:50:56,318 --> 00:50:58,223 The whole world is watching! 845 00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,266 The whole world is watching! 846 00:51:01,291 --> 00:51:04,101 The whole world is watching... The whole world is watching! 847 00:51:04,126 --> 00:51:06,031 The whole world is watching! 848 00:51:06,163 --> 00:51:08,068 The whole world is watching! 849 00:51:08,130 --> 00:51:10,171 The whole world is watching... 850 00:51:41,597 --> 00:51:43,570 If anything, the mood after 851 00:51:43,833 --> 00:51:46,944 the n.I.H. Was even bleaker than the mood before, because we had 852 00:51:46,969 --> 00:51:50,248 no indication that they were gonna change or respond to our 853 00:51:50,273 --> 00:51:53,618 demands, and we had in fact had a meeting with them in Bethesda 854 00:51:53,643 --> 00:51:56,154 after the n.I.H. Action that indicated that there was total 855 00:51:56,179 --> 00:51:58,924 resistance to putting people from the community on the 856 00:51:58,949 --> 00:52:01,726 research committees, to letting the ACT UP observers attend 857 00:52:01,751 --> 00:52:05,330 the meetings, and to open up the meetings so that they weren't secret anymore. 858 00:52:05,355 --> 00:52:07,232 Why should science be shrouded in secrecy? 859 00:52:07,257 --> 00:52:09,967 It's supposed to be based on a free exchange of ideas. 860 00:52:09,992 --> 00:52:12,033 And, so, it was very important 861 00:52:12,295 --> 00:52:15,574 to stage in San Francisco before, again, the global 862 00:52:15,599 --> 00:52:18,342 community of scientists and people working on AIDS, why we 863 00:52:18,367 --> 00:52:22,246 had been at the n.I.H., why the U.S. system wasn't working out, 864 00:52:22,271 --> 00:52:25,917 and to reach the people directly that we had reached symbolically 865 00:52:25,942 --> 00:52:27,711 through the n.I.H. Action. 866 00:52:42,224 --> 00:52:44,252 About a hundred protesters have already been arrested at 867 00:52:44,260 --> 00:52:47,781 the international AIDS conference that began today in San Francisco. 868 00:52:47,931 --> 00:52:50,942 Hundreds more are angrily protesting a government policy 869 00:52:50,967 --> 00:52:54,934 they say neglects research and ostracizes victims. 870 00:52:55,338 --> 00:52:57,915 Why don't you do an informational slide first? 871 00:52:57,940 --> 00:53:02,243 "United States has the most discriminatory immigration policies regarding HIV." 872 00:53:02,445 --> 00:53:06,590 I could say, you know, as a way to bridge the, uh, the rift 873 00:53:07,884 --> 00:53:10,362 between the scientific community... all of you... 874 00:53:10,387 --> 00:53:13,489 and the activists, we'd like you to join in some activism. 875 00:53:13,956 --> 00:53:16,668 ...and I've always been painfully aware that in order 876 00:53:16,693 --> 00:53:20,538 for me to beat this virus and live, I will need a great 877 00:53:20,563 --> 00:53:22,536 deal of help from all of you. 878 00:53:24,233 --> 00:53:28,251 Can we all, before it's too late, begin to understand each other? 879 00:53:29,539 --> 00:53:33,636 Will we realize that we share similar motivations? 880 00:53:34,643 --> 00:53:37,822 During the upcoming days, act up New York will be handing 881 00:53:37,847 --> 00:53:41,293 out our AIDS treatment agenda, which includes a list of 882 00:53:41,318 --> 00:53:45,397 99 drugs that we believe could be ready for small phase-one 883 00:53:45,422 --> 00:53:47,191 studies this year or next. 884 00:53:49,759 --> 00:53:54,608 However, from your side, we're being constantly told to butt out. 885 00:53:56,032 --> 00:53:58,073 On my side, the level of anger 886 00:53:58,835 --> 00:54:02,712 and frustration is reaching such a point that attitudes claiming 887 00:54:03,373 --> 00:54:08,325 that all of you are uncaring and in it for greed are now widespread. 888 00:54:10,179 --> 00:54:13,450 While at times we may offend you, remember as well that 889 00:54:14,184 --> 00:54:16,225 like you, ACT UP has succeeded 890 00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:20,971 in prolonging the lives of thousands of people living with HIV disease. 891 00:54:26,262 --> 00:54:31,052 I would like to be joined in front of the stage by my fellow AIDS activists. 892 00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:33,297 Would you all come up? 893 00:54:34,003 --> 00:54:36,180 At this moment, there are others 894 00:54:37,106 --> 00:54:41,018 just like us who are trying to get into this conference but are 895 00:54:41,043 --> 00:54:44,277 being barred by the Billy clubs of San Francisco police. 896 00:54:45,347 --> 00:54:48,058 And there are still others like us who are trying to get through 897 00:54:48,083 --> 00:54:51,594 customs at the San Francisco airport, but are being detained 898 00:54:51,621 --> 00:54:53,594 instead because they are gay. 899 00:54:54,423 --> 00:54:57,330 There's a man that could have prevented these absurdities. 900 00:54:57,460 --> 00:55:01,664 This man has said that he would like to see a kinder, gentler nation. 901 00:55:02,431 --> 00:55:04,708 If you believe that the immigration policy barring 902 00:55:04,733 --> 00:55:07,612 people living with HIV disease from entering this country is 903 00:55:07,637 --> 00:55:11,680 useless as a health policy and discriminatory as well, please 904 00:55:11,740 --> 00:55:13,781 stand now and remain standing. 905 00:55:18,081 --> 00:55:21,172 Join us in vocalizing our collective anger. 906 00:55:21,451 --> 00:55:25,681 Join us in a chant against the man who could bring down the I.N.S. Barriers. 907 00:55:25,755 --> 00:55:29,467 Join us in a chant against the man who has decided to show his 908 00:55:29,492 --> 00:55:33,067 commitment to fighting AIDS by refusing to be here today. 909 00:55:33,329 --> 00:55:37,132 Instead, he is at this very moment in north Carolina, 910 00:55:37,500 --> 00:55:41,311 attending a fundraiser for the homophobic author of the I.N.S. 911 00:55:41,336 --> 00:55:44,838 Barriers, that pig in the senate known as Jesse helms... 912 00:55:46,141 --> 00:55:47,638 Join us in this chant: 913 00:55:47,811 --> 00:55:50,934 300,000 dead from AIDS, where is George? 914 00:55:51,713 --> 00:55:55,112 300,000 dead from AIDS, where is George? 915 00:55:56,052 --> 00:55:59,441 300,000 dead from AIDS, where is George? 916 00:56:00,123 --> 00:56:03,513 300,000 dead from AIDS, where is George? 917 00:56:04,793 --> 00:56:08,001 You can all now consider yourselves members of ACT UP. 918 00:56:16,672 --> 00:56:18,782 One of the things that happened in San Francisco was 919 00:56:18,807 --> 00:56:22,112 that we found out we had won some of our n.I.H. Demands. 920 00:56:22,811 --> 00:56:25,556 Fauci came up to me and said, "we had a meeting, we decided 921 00:56:25,581 --> 00:56:27,759 that we're gonna put you guys on all the committees, and we're 922 00:56:27,784 --> 00:56:29,594 gonna let your observers go to the meetings, and the meetings 923 00:56:29,619 --> 00:56:31,061 won't be secret anymore." 924 00:56:31,086 --> 00:56:37,228 Never again... could any of this be done without taking 925 00:56:38,728 --> 00:56:41,902 people with AIDS and their advocates into consideration. 926 00:56:42,498 --> 00:56:47,484 This would be public business from now on. 927 00:56:47,904 --> 00:56:50,775 You know, we should all be going through the bushes 928 00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:52,655 like this, like sticking our heads up... 929 00:56:54,309 --> 00:56:56,119 ...it was beginning to feel a little different because we'd 930 00:56:56,144 --> 00:56:58,755 spent all the time up until then being on the outside, sort of 931 00:56:58,780 --> 00:57:01,659 beating on the doors and trying to get in, and now they actually 932 00:57:01,684 --> 00:57:03,351 wanted to hear what we had to say. 933 00:57:20,302 --> 00:57:22,343 We brought them in at Merck. 934 00:57:22,704 --> 00:57:25,949 We made... we made a very, uh, specific effort to bring those 935 00:57:25,974 --> 00:57:29,048 individuals in so that they would see what it is that we 936 00:57:29,077 --> 00:57:31,197 were doing... or trying to do from the very beginning. 937 00:57:31,213 --> 00:57:34,592 This was really fantastic stuff because we were sitting 938 00:57:34,617 --> 00:57:36,726 down with them, and... sometimes 939 00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:40,797 from the very earliest stages of development of a drug... 940 00:57:40,822 --> 00:57:45,515 and helping them plot out their strategy toward, uh, designing clinical trials. 941 00:57:45,827 --> 00:57:48,306 The chemists who had worked on the project, a bunch... 942 00:57:48,331 --> 00:57:51,676 uh, couple chemists said, "let's look at all the aspartic 943 00:57:51,701 --> 00:57:54,145 protease inhibitors that we have on the shelf." 944 00:57:54,170 --> 00:57:58,461 And they tested 'em and they found a few molecules that actually worked. 945 00:57:58,507 --> 00:58:01,488 The challenge was is now you had these molecules that were really 946 00:58:01,510 --> 00:58:06,186 good inhibitors in your assay, which is just in a test tube. 947 00:58:06,282 --> 00:58:08,826 When you put it into animals they just would never work 948 00:58:08,851 --> 00:58:10,972 or they would never get absorbed by your system. 949 00:58:11,219 --> 00:58:13,364 And I remember being very disappointed 'cause I had to 950 00:58:13,389 --> 00:58:15,933 share this information with sort of my own personal view, 951 00:58:15,958 --> 00:58:18,603 this is gonna be a lot more difficult than, 952 00:58:18,628 --> 00:58:20,182 you know, we thought it was gonna be 953 00:58:20,208 --> 00:58:22,072 originally, and in fact may not be possible. 954 00:58:22,097 --> 00:58:26,216 And Bill Bahlman said, "take a break, pick yourself up and go back at it." 955 00:58:26,568 --> 00:58:29,647 If he and his colleagues and his friends around the table can 956 00:58:29,672 --> 00:58:32,717 take that attitude and do that, I remember saying to myself, 957 00:58:32,742 --> 00:58:35,752 "Emilio, you've got no right to say to yourself, 'I don't know 958 00:58:35,777 --> 00:58:37,818 if I can do this, ' all right?" 959 00:58:37,847 --> 00:58:39,412 And... so, off we went. 960 00:58:40,550 --> 00:58:42,183 And we kept going at it. 961 00:58:42,818 --> 00:58:45,986 We're spending $4 billion a year on AIDS research. 962 00:58:46,322 --> 00:58:48,967 When you consider that on a per-capita basis for... compared 963 00:58:48,992 --> 00:58:52,270 to heart disease or cancer, it's an awful lot. 964 00:58:52,295 --> 00:58:55,507 Almost nothing stops George Bush from a round of golf. 965 00:58:55,797 --> 00:58:58,543 He's played nearly every day... and sometimes twice a day... 966 00:58:58,568 --> 00:59:00,405 during his August vacation. 967 00:59:03,539 --> 00:59:06,531 ♪ I'll be glad when you're dead, you rascal, you ♪ 968 00:59:06,643 --> 00:59:07,663 ♪ rascal, you ♪ 969 00:59:07,777 --> 00:59:08,719 ♪ I'll be laughin' 970 00:59:08,744 --> 00:59:10,691 when you're in your grave, you dog ♪ 971 00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:11,764 ♪ dirty dog ♪ 972 00:59:12,181 --> 00:59:13,891 ♪ when you're dead and in your grave ♪ 973 00:59:13,916 --> 00:59:15,993 ♪ no more ravioli will you crave... ♪ 974 00:59:16,018 --> 00:59:18,630 If the message is research, I would say please 975 00:59:18,655 --> 00:59:22,065 talk to Dr. Fauci and others at the national institute of health 976 00:59:22,090 --> 00:59:26,554 who would tell you that, uh, we're doing pretty well in funding of research. 977 00:59:27,329 --> 00:59:28,417 ♪...dirty dog ♪ 978 00:59:28,498 --> 00:59:30,842 ♪ I invite you to my house for a meal ♪ 979 00:59:30,867 --> 00:59:33,161 ♪ all my meatballs you tried to steal ♪ 980 00:59:33,436 --> 00:59:35,477 ♪ mm... you're a devil, yeah ♪ 981 00:59:51,688 --> 00:59:55,997 We've got to factor in the sensitivity of those of us 982 00:59:59,529 --> 01:00:03,503 who feel that there's a spiritual and moral aspect to 983 01:00:05,333 --> 01:00:09,790 this playing to the homosexual, lesbian crowd. 984 01:00:10,972 --> 01:00:13,359 It makes it different from anything else. 985 01:00:14,777 --> 01:00:15,477 Oh, shh-. 986 01:00:15,577 --> 01:00:18,349 I wish they'd shut their mouths and go to work 987 01:00:18,481 --> 01:00:21,592 and keep their private matters to themselves and get their 988 01:00:21,617 --> 01:00:23,728 mentality out of their crotches. 989 01:00:23,753 --> 01:00:25,295 I'm here today because Jesse helms is the devil. 990 01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:28,965 Jesse helms has worked for years to do as much as he possibly can 991 01:00:28,990 --> 01:00:30,944 to ensure the continuance of the AIDS epidemic. 992 01:00:31,126 --> 01:00:35,005 The disease is spreading because of him, and people are dying because of him. 993 01:00:35,030 --> 01:00:38,308 This is an educational effort, it's not a violation of people's property rights. 994 01:00:38,333 --> 01:00:41,244 We've been very careful that absolutely no damage is done, 995 01:00:41,269 --> 01:00:44,792 and if any damage is done, whatever it is, we'll be happy to pay for it. 996 01:00:45,007 --> 01:00:47,593 We have the money with us to pay for it. 997 01:00:48,710 --> 01:00:50,554 You guys don't want to tangle with these people 'cause 998 01:00:50,579 --> 01:00:53,214 you don't want to get AIDS, I know, but what's next? 999 01:00:53,382 --> 01:00:54,538 Come on, get out. 1000 01:00:55,117 --> 01:00:57,993 If they would keep their mouths shut and go about 1001 01:00:58,019 --> 01:01:01,127 their business with whatever their sexual orientation is, 1002 01:01:01,456 --> 01:01:04,137 nobody would ever say a word and we wouldn't know anything about it. 1003 01:01:04,193 --> 01:01:07,166 But, no, they march in the streets, and they defy you to 1004 01:01:08,030 --> 01:01:09,527 say anything about it. 1005 01:01:09,664 --> 01:01:11,808 Well, they don't like me and I don't like them. 1006 01:01:11,833 --> 01:01:12,976 Back off the property. 1007 01:01:13,001 --> 01:01:15,672 Bunch of 'em climbed up on my house in Arlington 1008 01:01:16,038 --> 01:01:17,875 and hoisted about a 35-foot 1009 01:01:18,474 --> 01:01:22,595 canvas, uh, condom one day in protest of me. 1010 01:01:24,847 --> 01:01:27,555 Fight AIDS! Fight AIDS, fight AIDS, fight! 1011 01:01:28,483 --> 01:01:31,743 ♪ I'll be glad when you're dead, you rascal, you. ♪ 1012 01:01:35,123 --> 01:01:37,301 Sir, when we started this colloquy, I thought I was 1013 01:01:37,326 --> 01:01:40,054 on your side, particularly on the first amendment. 1014 01:01:41,063 --> 01:01:42,973 And under the first amendment, people don't have to shut their 1015 01:01:42,998 --> 01:01:44,544 mouths, they have a right to speak. 1016 01:01:45,867 --> 01:01:47,840 Well, uh... they can speak, 1017 01:01:49,371 --> 01:01:51,004 uh, just so long as, uh, 1018 01:01:51,773 --> 01:01:54,194 they don't offend anybody else, uh, I suppose. 1019 01:02:00,715 --> 01:02:03,970 Make sure your second coming is a safe one. 1020 01:02:07,556 --> 01:02:08,372 Use condoms. 1021 01:02:09,958 --> 01:02:11,927 - ...are you shooting? - Yeah. 1022 01:02:12,628 --> 01:02:13,989 I just turned it on. 1023 01:02:16,699 --> 01:02:17,651 Okay, rolling. 1024 01:02:23,438 --> 01:02:24,447 Tell him we're rolling. 1025 01:02:24,472 --> 01:02:25,683 The machine is rolling. 1026 01:02:25,708 --> 01:02:27,376 You can start talking now, honey. 1027 01:02:28,010 --> 01:02:30,144 Oh, I didn't know she meant now. 1028 01:02:31,547 --> 01:02:35,559 What I was gonna say was I just love, I love so much to go up to 1029 01:02:36,219 --> 01:02:42,161 the 10th floor because no one ever had explained to me that 1030 01:02:44,226 --> 01:02:47,837 there was going to be light again in the world and that the 1031 01:02:48,597 --> 01:02:50,699 whole world wasn't going to be dark. 1032 01:02:52,969 --> 01:02:57,426 Some great challenges face us as young people. 1033 01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:00,209 We're in our 20s, and, and 1034 01:03:01,610 --> 01:03:04,849 this is the challenge that's been placed in front of me. 1035 01:03:06,081 --> 01:03:08,122 And, who knows, little camera. 1036 01:03:08,851 --> 01:03:13,219 Lots of other blind, deaf men have lived happy lives. 1037 01:03:15,690 --> 01:03:19,989 There are, there are many years to come, let's hope. 1038 01:03:23,599 --> 01:03:24,399 So... 1039 01:03:28,003 --> 01:03:29,055 What the hell? 1040 01:03:29,572 --> 01:03:31,519 Life is worth living... Isn't it? 1041 01:03:43,719 --> 01:03:45,917 The death rate just kept on climbing. 1042 01:03:48,757 --> 01:03:51,863 We realized that science really was up against a brick wall. 1043 01:03:52,929 --> 01:03:55,172 We kept getting new drugs approved to prevent 1044 01:03:55,197 --> 01:03:58,856 opportunistic infections, and then somebody would just get another infection. 1045 01:04:32,168 --> 01:04:35,313 So, Peter, where are we going? 1046 01:04:35,338 --> 01:04:40,421 We're gonna be going to the headquarters of daiichi pharmaceutical companies of Japan. 1047 01:04:41,443 --> 01:04:45,623 This is their U.S. headquarters, and, uh, we're blockading their 1048 01:04:45,648 --> 01:04:47,825 offices because they have a drug 1049 01:04:48,150 --> 01:04:52,295 that's important both to AIDS activists and cancer activists, 1050 01:04:53,188 --> 01:04:58,999 specifically, uh, breast cancer, um, that they've been dragging 1051 01:04:59,695 --> 01:05:03,161 their feet on for over two years now, and, uh, we don't 1052 01:05:03,599 --> 01:05:05,776 understand why, but we certainly 1053 01:05:06,735 --> 01:05:09,911 are gonna try to let them understand why we're concerned. 1054 01:05:10,639 --> 01:05:13,351 ...and, everybody...wait for you at the end of the hall. 1055 01:05:13,376 --> 01:05:14,723 Just wait outside the elevators. 1056 01:05:15,878 --> 01:05:16,578 Shh... 1057 01:05:18,313 --> 01:05:19,013 Hey. 1058 01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:20,757 Hi, we're with ACT UP. 1059 01:05:20,782 --> 01:05:24,052 We're doing an act of civil disobedience, please remain calm. 1060 01:05:25,887 --> 01:05:27,656 Jim, it's Peter, we're in. 1061 01:05:27,956 --> 01:05:29,249 Send all the press. 1062 01:05:30,192 --> 01:05:32,348 Hello, we're from ACT UP New York. 1063 01:05:41,436 --> 01:05:43,913 You already have the blood of several thousand people on your 1064 01:05:43,938 --> 01:05:47,614 hands, and those of us like me who have Kaposi's sarcoma are 1065 01:05:47,643 --> 01:05:50,755 gonna die, and we are here until we get arrested. 1066 01:05:50,780 --> 01:05:53,590 You seem to know nothing about the actual details of the 1067 01:05:53,615 --> 01:05:54,725 development of this drug. 1068 01:05:54,750 --> 01:05:56,451 Maybe you're just not telling us. 1069 01:05:56,619 --> 01:05:59,320 Mr. Borsic, have you scheduled a meeting with the F.D.A.? 1070 01:05:59,655 --> 01:06:00,630 Yeah, as soon as we can. 1071 01:06:00,655 --> 01:06:03,067 We have helped many companies through this process. 1072 01:06:03,092 --> 01:06:06,536 We can take a drug from your test tube to the market 1073 01:06:06,561 --> 01:06:09,906 in under two years if you work with us, and we will pave the 1074 01:06:09,931 --> 01:06:12,728 way for you with the food and drug administration. 1075 01:06:13,001 --> 01:06:16,482 But, but this total reluctance on your part is gonna get you nowhere. 1076 01:06:16,639 --> 01:06:18,616 ...have been used in people for 30 years. 1077 01:06:18,641 --> 01:06:20,116 It'll end up killing us, all right? 1078 01:06:20,141 --> 01:06:22,222 See this dark mark on my forehead? 1079 01:06:22,478 --> 01:06:24,111 That's Kaposi's sarcoma. 1080 01:06:24,980 --> 01:06:26,204 It's gonna spread! 1081 01:06:26,347 --> 01:06:27,640 It's gonna kill me. 1082 01:06:27,817 --> 01:06:29,159 You coming to my funeral? 1083 01:06:29,184 --> 01:06:31,535 Because you're the man fucking responsible. 1084 01:06:31,719 --> 01:06:34,573 You are my murderer in your shirt and tie. 1085 01:06:39,661 --> 01:06:42,732 Do you think that you'll live to see a cure? 1086 01:06:42,898 --> 01:06:43,598 No. 1087 01:06:43,998 --> 01:06:44,698 I don't. 1088 01:06:45,534 --> 01:06:47,183 Do you think that you'll live? 1089 01:06:49,304 --> 01:06:50,004 No. 1090 01:06:51,373 --> 01:06:52,073 No. 1091 01:06:52,273 --> 01:06:54,314 You expect to die from this? 1092 01:07:09,958 --> 01:07:13,904 The anger just mounted and mounted and mounted the more people who were dying. 1093 01:07:13,929 --> 01:07:15,358 Once a week we met... 1094 01:07:17,132 --> 01:07:19,710 And at that meeting a lot of people came who were just 1095 01:07:19,735 --> 01:07:22,903 terrified they weren't gonna be alive even the next week. 1096 01:07:23,572 --> 01:07:25,419 What can we do, how can we get there? 1097 01:07:26,074 --> 01:07:31,840 I think ACT UP's anger turned in after having been directed out so long. 1098 01:07:33,315 --> 01:07:34,880 In its first few years, 1099 01:07:35,818 --> 01:07:39,291 treatment and data pretty much got everything it wanted from 1100 01:07:39,521 --> 01:07:41,358 the floor of ACT UP, but as 1101 01:07:42,625 --> 01:07:46,593 treatment and data was becoming more and more technical, 1102 01:07:46,996 --> 01:07:50,640 there were a lot of people in the general membership of ACT UP 1103 01:07:51,300 --> 01:07:56,412 that saw that as an elite, and that maybe it would be better if 1104 01:07:57,773 --> 01:07:59,882 that elite was pulled in a bit. 1105 01:08:00,442 --> 01:08:04,818 There was a fear, I think, that we were getting too close 1106 01:08:05,347 --> 01:08:09,666 to the people in power, that we would compromise our own principles. 1107 01:08:09,985 --> 01:08:14,263 And the people who were more interested in the social issues 1108 01:08:14,590 --> 01:08:16,333 became uncomfortable with that. 1109 01:08:16,358 --> 01:08:19,230 I remember this very divisive moment where, um, you know, 1110 01:08:19,627 --> 01:08:22,272 there was a proposal for moratorium on meeting with 1111 01:08:22,297 --> 01:08:24,270 drug companies, and someone... 1112 01:08:25,501 --> 01:08:28,579 for six months... and there was a huge and impassioned debate 1113 01:08:28,604 --> 01:08:32,715 over it, and someone said... a woman who was not HIV-positive 1114 01:08:33,074 --> 01:08:35,652 said, "well, it's not like it's for the rest of your life." 1115 01:08:35,677 --> 01:08:37,718 And for a lot of people in the 1116 01:08:38,413 --> 01:08:40,295 room, it was the rest of their life. 1117 01:08:40,682 --> 01:08:41,382 ACT UP! 1118 01:08:41,550 --> 01:08:42,298 Fight back! 1119 01:08:42,484 --> 01:08:43,232 Fight AIDS! 1120 01:08:43,351 --> 01:08:46,196 There were inevitable splits in priorities. 1121 01:08:47,555 --> 01:08:48,955 And you know quite well... I know. 1122 01:08:49,057 --> 01:08:51,482 And it was completely left out of the n.I.H. 1123 01:08:51,527 --> 01:08:52,615 Research agenda. 1124 01:08:52,994 --> 01:08:53,694 I agree. 1125 01:08:53,729 --> 01:08:54,529 I, I... 1126 01:08:55,197 --> 01:08:59,638 I remember a lot of dirty tricks that happened, and a lot of fear within the 1127 01:09:00,935 --> 01:09:05,053 organization that the various factions had done this to each other. 1128 01:09:05,173 --> 01:09:09,631 Mark Harrington, Mark Harrington, there's a video camera here now. 1129 01:09:10,445 --> 01:09:13,423 Would you like to take an oath that you will not write nasty 1130 01:09:13,448 --> 01:09:15,353 anonymous letters to people? 1131 01:09:15,451 --> 01:09:17,660 I've been getting some hate letters too, but those are 1132 01:09:17,685 --> 01:09:20,597 unsigned. I don't ever, I don't ever... so you'll keep on 1133 01:09:20,622 --> 01:09:22,365 writing nasty letters to people? 1134 01:09:22,390 --> 01:09:27,524 There were a lot of charges in the midst of that, of sabotage and threats. 1135 01:09:27,829 --> 01:09:30,681 Our last speaker is, is Larry Kramer. 1136 01:09:32,067 --> 01:09:33,716 Why didn't you answer the charges? 1137 01:09:34,168 --> 01:09:36,413 Bill, you're gonna have a chance to talk, 1138 01:09:36,438 --> 01:09:38,414 all right, everybody's... don't lecture me, 1139 01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:41,154 you stupid, lazy, incompetent shithead! 1140 01:09:41,210 --> 01:09:43,259 Bill, everybody got the flyer... 1141 01:09:45,381 --> 01:09:47,523 ...you can't just lick his ass before he talks! 1142 01:09:47,548 --> 01:09:50,004 Shut the fuck up and let him answer! 1143 01:09:50,485 --> 01:09:52,762 Look, there are a lot of people in the audience who want 1144 01:09:52,787 --> 01:09:55,932 to ask and talk about treatment, and I think it's important that 1145 01:09:55,957 --> 01:09:57,590 we allow that to happen. 1146 01:09:58,027 --> 01:09:59,770 Oh, we're gonna dictate free speech now? 1147 01:09:59,795 --> 01:10:02,444 You're the one who's interfering with speech right now. 1148 01:10:02,730 --> 01:10:04,023 Go back to G.M.H.C. 1149 01:10:04,065 --> 01:10:06,485 Or whatever AIDS pimp operation is paying you. 1150 01:10:06,601 --> 01:10:09,115 You're making the same point George Bush made... - plague! 1151 01:10:10,104 --> 01:10:12,293 We are in the middle of a fucking plague! 1152 01:10:12,841 --> 01:10:14,542 And you behave like this! 1153 01:10:22,251 --> 01:10:22,951 Plague! 1154 01:10:24,886 --> 01:10:26,995 40 million infected people is a 1155 01:10:28,222 --> 01:10:29,242 fucking plague! 1156 01:10:35,096 --> 01:10:39,673 We are in the worst shape we have ever, ever, ever been in! 1157 01:10:42,070 --> 01:10:45,376 All those pills we're shoveling down our throats, forget it! 1158 01:10:47,208 --> 01:10:50,587 ACT UP has been taken over by a lunatic fringe, they can't get 1159 01:10:50,612 --> 01:10:54,290 together, nobody agrees with anything, all we can do is field 1160 01:10:54,350 --> 01:10:56,336 a couple hundred people in a demonstration! 1161 01:10:56,918 --> 01:10:59,239 That's not gonna make anybody pay attention! 1162 01:11:01,657 --> 01:11:03,958 Not until we get millions out there! 1163 01:11:05,293 --> 01:11:06,722 And we can't do that! 1164 01:11:06,962 --> 01:11:10,461 All we do is pick at each other and yell at each other! 1165 01:11:11,065 --> 01:11:12,902 And I say to you in year 10 1166 01:11:14,235 --> 01:11:18,712 the same thing I said to you in 1981 when there were 41 cases. 1167 01:11:22,543 --> 01:11:26,617 Until we get our acts together, all of us, we are as good as 1168 01:11:30,351 --> 01:11:31,051 dead. 1169 01:11:34,523 --> 01:11:38,733 In the end, the treatment and data guys... Peter, Garance, Mark, and some 1170 01:11:39,127 --> 01:11:43,740 others... split off and formed their own separate organization. 1171 01:11:44,099 --> 01:11:48,270 Tag was one of the little Mercury balls that flew off the main body of ACT UP. 1172 01:11:49,037 --> 01:11:52,765 A more sort of "think tank" type project came about. 1173 01:11:54,676 --> 01:11:57,588 Mr. Harrington, a tag member, educated at Harvard 1174 01:11:57,613 --> 01:12:01,751 college, and he has worked for a long time on experimental 1175 01:12:02,551 --> 01:12:05,556 treatments for the disease, and and also the basic science. 1176 01:12:05,587 --> 01:12:07,560 And Mr. Gonsalves was born in 1177 01:12:08,890 --> 01:12:13,108 long island and attended tufts university, also a tag member. 1178 01:12:13,228 --> 01:12:16,929 Um, I guess I can do nothing better than to turn this 1179 01:12:17,832 --> 01:12:19,910 conference over to my speakers. 1180 01:12:19,935 --> 01:12:23,043 I noticed that you're both sitting up there in suits 1181 01:12:23,838 --> 01:12:28,852 and ties. Do you feel that your approach is better than circling 1182 01:12:30,511 --> 01:12:32,552 n.I.H. Buildings and so forth? 1183 01:12:34,149 --> 01:12:37,794 I think that we like to keep our options open, but it's silly 1184 01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:39,961 to risk arrest and the hassles 1185 01:12:40,588 --> 01:12:43,796 that are intendant upon it if you can get serious attention 1186 01:12:43,958 --> 01:12:46,112 and negotiations going with other measures. 1187 01:12:47,628 --> 01:12:51,551 We just released a report, a critique of all the n.I.H.'S AIDS programs. 1188 01:12:51,667 --> 01:12:54,143 The research is spread out over 12 agencies, there's no 1189 01:12:54,168 --> 01:12:56,252 coordination, there's a lot of duplication. 1190 01:12:56,771 --> 01:12:58,268 There's no leadership. 1191 01:12:58,474 --> 01:13:00,750 The budget is shrinking and shrinking as cases mount, 1192 01:13:00,775 --> 01:13:03,853 and the president needs to be blamed, as well as the congress 1193 01:13:03,878 --> 01:13:07,723 who cut the entire n.I.H. Budget by $150 million two weeks ago. 1194 01:13:07,748 --> 01:13:10,060 Our recommendations, I think, are gonna require some 1195 01:13:10,085 --> 01:13:12,126 legislation, um, so we have to 1196 01:13:12,753 --> 01:13:16,739 go to our friends on the hill and see what wonders they can work for us. 1197 01:13:27,869 --> 01:13:31,214 We had this one particular compound that looked like it may 1198 01:13:31,239 --> 01:13:33,144 have had the potency and the 1199 01:13:33,475 --> 01:13:37,230 physical properties that we wanted, and it could be a possible drug. 1200 01:13:37,412 --> 01:13:39,923 We said, you know, let's put in HIV-infected individuals 1201 01:13:39,948 --> 01:13:41,525 and let's see what happens. 1202 01:13:41,550 --> 01:13:44,628 So, we went into HIV-infected individuals with this drug 1203 01:13:44,653 --> 01:13:48,130 called crixivan, and you could see a very substantial drop just 1204 01:13:48,155 --> 01:13:51,585 with the one protease inhibitor, you could see a very substantial drop in virus load. 1205 01:13:51,827 --> 01:13:53,136 So that was the first week. 1206 01:13:53,161 --> 01:13:55,204 The second week was very disappointing, because what we 1207 01:13:55,229 --> 01:14:00,194 saw in the second week was in fact, the virus load coming right back up again. 1208 01:14:00,402 --> 01:14:01,354 One exception. 1209 01:14:01,703 --> 01:14:05,476 There was one patient that, um, patient 143, I believe, 1210 01:14:05,940 --> 01:14:07,777 was his name... his number... 1211 01:14:08,176 --> 01:14:11,088 that the virus went down and stayed down. 1212 01:14:11,113 --> 01:14:12,725 That told us that it was possible. 1213 01:14:13,782 --> 01:14:17,160 If it can happen in one, then by definition it can happen 1214 01:14:17,185 --> 01:14:20,230 in everyone, you just need to figure out how to do it. 1215 01:14:20,255 --> 01:14:22,375 That puts you in a completely different place and in a 1216 01:14:22,390 --> 01:14:24,167 completely different state of mind. 1217 01:14:24,192 --> 01:14:27,137 So then the question became, Okay, now what do we need to do 1218 01:14:27,162 --> 01:14:29,135 in order to make it possible? 1219 01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:36,095 This is the beginning of the primary season to elect the next president. 1220 01:14:36,371 --> 01:14:40,081 We want to send a message to all of the candidates... we have not 1221 01:14:40,242 --> 01:14:44,820 seen them actively address the AIDS plague, and we thought 1222 01:14:45,113 --> 01:14:49,344 it would be best to send a message by voting with our feet in the streets. 1223 01:14:49,751 --> 01:14:53,314 I want to call for a massive march on Washington. 1224 01:14:54,590 --> 01:14:57,844 The weekend the AIDS quilt is gonna be there. 1225 01:14:58,126 --> 01:15:01,527 We have got to surround the white house with people 1226 01:15:01,963 --> 01:15:03,868 concerned about AIDS to push 1227 01:15:04,765 --> 01:15:06,670 bush out of the white house! 1228 01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:15,244 Last night a man with AIDS heckled Clinton, 1229 01:15:15,344 --> 01:15:19,024 charging that he had a bad record on fighting AIDS in Arkansas. 1230 01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:23,435 When voter Bob Rafsky met Bill Clinton, it was anything but pleasant. 1231 01:15:23,618 --> 01:15:27,335 We're dying in this state, what are you going to do about AIDS? 1232 01:15:28,724 --> 01:15:33,645 First of all, it will become a part of my obsession as president. 1233 01:15:35,796 --> 01:15:38,477 And that's why I'm running for president, to do something about it. 1234 01:15:39,501 --> 01:15:41,270 Will you just calm down? 1235 01:15:43,171 --> 01:15:44,327 I feel your pain! 1236 01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:48,517 I feel your pain, but if you want to attack me personally, 1237 01:15:48,542 --> 01:15:50,786 you're no better than Jerry brown and all the rest of these 1238 01:15:50,811 --> 01:15:52,888 people who say whatever sounds good in the moment. 1239 01:15:52,913 --> 01:15:56,159 If you want something to be done, you ask me a question, you listen. 1240 01:15:56,184 --> 01:15:58,527 If you don't agree with me, go support somebody else for 1241 01:15:58,552 --> 01:16:00,731 president, but quit talking to me like that. 1242 01:16:00,756 --> 01:16:03,839 This is not a matter of personal attack, it's a matter of human loss. 1243 01:16:06,427 --> 01:16:09,357 I came here tonight because I'm dying from AIDS. 1244 01:16:09,898 --> 01:16:12,808 And it doesn't matter to me who the next president is if they 1245 01:16:12,833 --> 01:16:16,483 don't change 11 years of government neglect of this epidemic. 1246 01:16:17,171 --> 01:16:17,837 Is this on? 1247 01:16:17,838 --> 01:16:18,790 This isn't on. 1248 01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:20,873 Um, Okay, first off, um, 1249 01:16:23,045 --> 01:16:28,962 what happened this week was AIDS became an issue in this campaign. 1250 01:16:36,123 --> 01:16:37,705 I'd like to call down Bob Rafsky. 1251 01:16:59,780 --> 01:17:00,480 ACT UP! 1252 01:17:00,849 --> 01:17:01,597 Fight back! 1253 01:17:01,949 --> 01:17:02,697 Fight AIDS! 1254 01:17:03,484 --> 01:17:04,184 ACT UP! 1255 01:17:04,485 --> 01:17:05,233 Fight back! 1256 01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:06,468 Fight AIDS! 1257 01:17:10,658 --> 01:17:14,626 Uh, never debate a Rhodes scholar... it gets you into a world of trouble. 1258 01:17:15,930 --> 01:17:19,776 It looks like what we have to do is to keep forcing these clowns 1259 01:17:19,801 --> 01:17:22,411 to say the right thing so that if one of them happens to become 1260 01:17:22,436 --> 01:17:25,882 president, we can hold them accountable for doing the right thing. 1261 01:17:25,907 --> 01:17:26,607 Yeah. 1262 01:17:27,007 --> 01:17:29,852 But I just... it's always important to say that we all 1263 01:17:29,877 --> 01:17:33,490 know that the names of the people who might save our lives 1264 01:17:33,515 --> 01:17:36,171 are not Bill Clinton and Jerry brown, etc. 1265 01:17:36,384 --> 01:17:38,962 The names of the people who might save our lives are 1266 01:17:38,987 --> 01:17:41,745 iris long, Mark Harrington, Peter Staley, etc. 1267 01:17:42,256 --> 01:17:43,566 And they're the ones who will be 1268 01:17:43,591 --> 01:17:48,385 remembered as the heroes of this epidemic, as well as those who have gone before. 1269 01:17:52,399 --> 01:17:53,935 ♪...and he smells like one, too. ♪ 1270 01:17:54,168 --> 01:17:56,500 Well, I haven't showered, so I'm not surprised... 1271 01:17:57,305 --> 01:18:01,980 No, I've just been writing and I was up at 5 A.M. yesterday. 1272 01:18:02,042 --> 01:18:05,146 This is Bob's birthday, July 22nd, 1992. 1273 01:18:08,449 --> 01:18:10,217 - Ready for the pyrotechnics? - Yes! 1274 01:18:10,452 --> 01:18:11,495 Nathaniel, help. 1275 01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:12,620 No! 1276 01:18:13,587 --> 01:18:14,487 Yay! 1277 01:18:16,158 --> 01:18:17,110 Lydia E. Rios. 1278 01:18:19,627 --> 01:18:20,571 Steve H. 1279 01:18:23,230 --> 01:18:24,795 My friends David Evans, 1280 01:18:27,301 --> 01:18:29,478 Nicolas kaiser, George Marshall, 1281 01:18:32,807 --> 01:18:34,984 and my beloved brother Dennis J. 1282 01:18:36,545 --> 01:18:37,701 Robert R. Hakins. 1283 01:18:40,548 --> 01:18:42,181 Phillip Gregory Ellison. 1284 01:18:44,319 --> 01:18:45,335 Terry Ronan. 1285 01:18:47,322 --> 01:18:48,410 Michael Bennett. 1286 01:18:50,024 --> 01:18:51,104 Ron Field. 1287 01:18:52,327 --> 01:18:53,407 Tina Chow. 1288 01:18:54,762 --> 01:18:55,778 Perry Ellis. 1289 01:18:57,032 --> 01:18:58,120 Freddie Mercury. 1290 01:18:59,266 --> 01:19:00,282 Peter Allen. 1291 01:19:01,970 --> 01:19:07,586 To the thousands of other people who were made to suffer in silence. 1292 01:19:14,481 --> 01:19:17,374 Join ACT UP for a political funeral! 1293 01:19:18,185 --> 01:19:20,600 Meet at the South of the capitol at 1 P.M. 1294 01:19:21,622 --> 01:19:25,472 Give a wake-up call to George Bush and Bill Clinton and Perot. 1295 01:19:32,967 --> 01:19:36,871 I think the quilt itself does good stuff and is moving. 1296 01:19:37,439 --> 01:19:41,549 Still, it's like making something beautiful out of the epidemic, and I felt like doing 1297 01:19:42,944 --> 01:19:45,487 something like this is a way of showing there's nothing beautiful about it. 1298 01:19:45,512 --> 01:19:47,656 You know, this is what I'm left with... I've got a box full 1299 01:19:47,681 --> 01:19:48,991 of ashes and bone chips. 1300 01:19:49,016 --> 01:19:50,761 You know, there's no beauty in that. 1301 01:19:51,418 --> 01:19:54,625 And I felt like a statement like this is like saying "this is 1302 01:19:54,756 --> 01:19:56,802 what George Bush has done," you know? 1303 01:19:56,858 --> 01:19:59,201 This is what him and Ronald Reagan before him have done. 1304 01:19:59,226 --> 01:20:01,036 These are our loved ones and this is what they've been 1305 01:20:01,061 --> 01:20:04,803 reduced to, and we're bringing them to the person who's responsible for their death. 1306 01:20:21,882 --> 01:20:22,630 Fight back! 1307 01:20:23,018 --> 01:20:23,766 Fight AIDS! 1308 01:20:24,019 --> 01:20:26,128 ACT UP, fight back, fight AIDS! 1309 01:20:26,954 --> 01:20:29,063 ACT UP, fight back, fight AIDS! 1310 01:20:30,024 --> 01:20:32,133 ACT UP, fight back, fight AIDS! 1311 01:20:33,094 --> 01:20:33,794 ACT UP! 1312 01:20:34,128 --> 01:20:34,876 Fight back! 1313 01:20:34,930 --> 01:20:35,678 Fight AIDS! 1314 01:20:40,601 --> 01:20:42,512 Bringing the dead to your door! 1315 01:20:42,537 --> 01:20:44,238 We won't take it anymore! 1316 01:20:44,538 --> 01:20:46,516 Bringing the dead to your door! 1317 01:20:46,541 --> 01:20:48,242 We won't take it anymore! 1318 01:20:48,510 --> 01:20:50,520 Bringing the dead to your door! 1319 01:20:50,545 --> 01:20:52,246 We won't take it anymore! 1320 01:20:52,514 --> 01:20:54,623 Bringing the dead to your door! 1321 01:21:39,860 --> 01:21:40,560 ACT UP! 1322 01:21:40,595 --> 01:21:41,343 Fight back! 1323 01:21:41,628 --> 01:21:42,376 Fight AIDS! 1324 01:21:42,930 --> 01:21:43,630 ACT UP! 1325 01:21:48,636 --> 01:21:49,336 ACT UP! 1326 01:21:49,570 --> 01:21:50,318 Fight back! 1327 01:21:50,572 --> 01:21:51,320 Fight AIDS! 1328 01:21:51,573 --> 01:21:52,273 ACT UP! 1329 01:21:52,707 --> 01:21:53,455 Fight back! 1330 01:21:53,541 --> 01:21:54,289 Fight AIDS! 1331 01:21:54,542 --> 01:21:55,242 ACT UP! 1332 01:21:55,409 --> 01:21:56,157 Fight back! 1333 01:21:56,377 --> 01:21:57,125 Fight AIDS! 1334 01:21:57,378 --> 01:21:58,078 ACT UP! 1335 01:21:58,380 --> 01:21:59,128 Fight back! 1336 01:21:59,314 --> 01:22:00,062 Fight AIDS! 1337 01:22:02,751 --> 01:22:04,588 Shame, shame, shame, shame! 1338 01:22:05,286 --> 01:22:07,123 Shame, shame, shame, shame! 1339 01:22:07,921 --> 01:22:09,894 Shame, shame, shame, shame... 1340 01:22:16,197 --> 01:22:17,353 I love you, Mike! 1341 01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:19,756 I love you, Mike! 1342 01:22:45,993 --> 01:22:48,826 Welcome to the first of three debates among the major 1343 01:22:49,064 --> 01:22:52,642 candidates for President of the United States, sponsored by the 1344 01:22:52,667 --> 01:22:54,679 commission on presidential debates. 1345 01:22:55,170 --> 01:22:58,744 Mr. president, yesterday tens of thousands of people paraded 1346 01:22:58,773 --> 01:23:03,633 past the white house to demonstrate their concern about the disease, AIDS. 1347 01:23:03,877 --> 01:23:07,248 A celebrated member of your commission, magic Johnson, 1348 01:23:07,881 --> 01:23:11,102 quit saying that there was too much inaction. 1349 01:23:12,186 --> 01:23:13,762 Where is this widespread feeling 1350 01:23:13,787 --> 01:23:17,600 coming from that your administration is not doing enough about AIDS? 1351 01:23:17,625 --> 01:23:20,936 I can't tell you where it's coming from, but I am very much 1352 01:23:21,128 --> 01:23:22,965 concerned about AIDS, and I 1353 01:23:23,264 --> 01:23:26,008 believe that we've got the best researchers in the world 1354 01:23:26,033 --> 01:23:28,378 out there at n.I.H. Working the problem. 1355 01:23:28,403 --> 01:23:31,736 It's one of the few diseases where behavior matters. 1356 01:23:31,939 --> 01:23:34,750 And I once called on somebody, "well, change your behavior. 1357 01:23:34,775 --> 01:23:39,556 If the behavior you're using, uh, prone to cause AIDS, change the behavior." 1358 01:23:39,581 --> 01:23:43,426 Next thing I know, one of these ACT UP groups is out saying bush 1359 01:23:43,451 --> 01:23:44,861 ought to change his behavior. 1360 01:23:44,886 --> 01:23:46,802 You can't talk about it rationally. 1361 01:24:06,173 --> 01:24:10,541 Let everyone here know that this is not a 1362 01:24:12,881 --> 01:24:17,927 political funeral for Mark Fisher, who wouldn't let us burn 1363 01:24:20,721 --> 01:24:22,218 or bury his courage... 1364 01:24:24,259 --> 01:24:26,436 Or his love for us any more than 1365 01:24:27,395 --> 01:24:32,045 he would let the earth take his body until it was already in flight. 1366 01:24:33,967 --> 01:24:38,338 He asked for this ceremony, not so we could bury him, 1367 01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:41,759 but so we could celebrate his undying anger. 1368 01:24:44,179 --> 01:24:48,283 This isn't a political funeral for Mark, it's a political 1369 01:24:48,949 --> 01:24:52,116 funeral for the man who killed him and so many others, 1370 01:24:53,988 --> 01:24:55,689 and is slowly killing me. 1371 01:24:57,391 --> 01:25:01,557 Whose name curls my tongue and curdles my breath. 1372 01:25:02,497 --> 01:25:07,275 George Bush, we believe you'll be defeated tomorrow because we 1373 01:25:08,368 --> 01:25:11,675 believe there's still some justice left in the universe 1374 01:25:12,172 --> 01:25:15,796 and some compassion left in the American people. 1375 01:25:16,911 --> 01:25:21,723 But whether or not you are, here and now, standing by Mark's 1376 01:25:22,684 --> 01:25:28,326 body, we put this curse on you. Mark's spirit will haunt you 1377 01:25:29,423 --> 01:25:31,260 until the end of your days, 1378 01:25:32,092 --> 01:25:37,781 so that in the moment of your defeat, you'll remember our defeats. 1379 01:25:38,198 --> 01:25:41,971 And in the moment of your death, you'll remember our deaths. 1380 01:25:44,805 --> 01:25:46,982 As for Mark, when the living can 1381 01:25:48,109 --> 01:25:52,132 no longer speak, the dead may speak for them. 1382 01:25:53,747 --> 01:25:55,720 Mark's voice is here with us, 1383 01:25:57,252 --> 01:26:02,031 as is the voice of pericles, who two millennia ago warned the 1384 01:26:02,623 --> 01:26:07,035 Athenian soldiers who didn't have to die, and in whose death 1385 01:26:07,362 --> 01:26:12,004 he was complicit, but who had the nobility to say that their 1386 01:26:12,567 --> 01:26:14,540 memorial was the whole earth. 1387 01:26:16,304 --> 01:26:18,481 Let the whole earth hear us now. 1388 01:26:19,606 --> 01:26:25,043 We beg, we pray, we demand that this epidemic end! 1389 01:26:27,849 --> 01:26:29,482 Not just so we may live, 1390 01:26:31,551 --> 01:26:35,744 but so that Mark's soul may rest in peace at last. 1391 01:26:42,697 --> 01:26:49,029 In anger and in grief, this fight is not over till all of us are saved. 1392 01:26:56,978 --> 01:26:57,878 ACT UP. 1393 01:26:58,546 --> 01:26:59,294 Fight back. 1394 01:26:59,913 --> 01:27:00,661 Fight AIDS. 1395 01:28:37,779 --> 01:28:40,490 The debate over AIDS therapy has reignited with a new 1396 01:28:40,515 --> 01:28:44,421 European study that challenges the effectiveness of A.Z.T., 1397 01:28:44,819 --> 01:28:48,024 the widely prescribed drug used to treat the HIV virus. 1398 01:28:48,088 --> 01:28:51,397 This study disproves what every other study proves, 1399 01:28:51,958 --> 01:28:56,104 is that the drug is at best modest, mostly useless, not good 1400 01:28:56,130 --> 01:28:57,339 for you in the beginning. 1401 01:28:57,364 --> 01:29:00,809 Two other drugs, D.D.I. And d.D.C., were approved 1402 01:29:01,269 --> 01:29:04,112 because they were as good as A.Z.T., which means that they 1403 01:29:04,137 --> 01:29:06,249 might not be very useful either. 1404 01:29:06,274 --> 01:29:10,632 All this is profoundly dispiriting for advocates of people with AIDS. 1405 01:29:10,845 --> 01:29:13,489 We thought we had made some advance in AIDS treatment over 1406 01:29:13,514 --> 01:29:17,327 the last five years, and these studies show that we really haven't. 1407 01:29:17,452 --> 01:29:21,172 Many activists now admit their demands were short-sighted. 1408 01:29:21,555 --> 01:29:25,631 It's been a huge expenditure, a waste of money for the U.S. 1409 01:29:25,693 --> 01:29:29,571 Taxpayer, and it was a naiveté on our part to think that the 1410 01:29:29,596 --> 01:29:33,488 magic bullet was out there, it just had to be tested in humans and, uh... 1411 01:29:35,536 --> 01:29:37,169 Given to us as the cure. 1412 01:29:37,305 --> 01:29:41,570 Many doctors and scientists say the bleak results presented here indicate the U.S. 1413 01:29:41,676 --> 01:29:46,681 Government needs to substantially reorganize the way it conducts AIDS research. 1414 01:29:46,948 --> 01:29:49,125 Robert Bazell, NBC News, Berlin. 1415 01:29:55,590 --> 01:29:58,597 There's been this big crisis at St. Vincent's about the way 1416 01:29:58,993 --> 01:30:00,830 that we talk about the, uh, 1417 01:30:02,262 --> 01:30:03,606 what happened in Berlin. 1418 01:30:03,631 --> 01:30:07,450 Couple of doctors said they were afraid of people committing suicide now. 1419 01:30:07,868 --> 01:30:09,773 I don't feel like, oh, now 1420 01:30:11,005 --> 01:30:14,650 I just... I don't feel oh, now I want to give up, now I want to 1421 01:30:14,675 --> 01:30:15,852 stop living because A.Z.T. 1422 01:30:15,877 --> 01:30:16,961 Doesn't work. 1423 01:30:17,211 --> 01:30:20,976 I've felt forever now that I'm not gonna outlive this epidemic, that I will, 1424 01:30:21,282 --> 01:30:22,624 that I will die from this. 1425 01:30:22,649 --> 01:30:25,928 You know, maybe that is our future, that we're gonna watch each other die. 1426 01:30:25,953 --> 01:30:28,097 It's... that's not a new thought. 1427 01:30:28,122 --> 01:30:30,793 We've been thinking that ever since we started the group. 1428 01:30:31,458 --> 01:30:34,799 The way that the recent spate of deaths is... I don't know, 1429 01:30:35,896 --> 01:30:38,081 it all seems so much more apocalyptic. 1430 01:30:38,932 --> 01:30:40,973 Like the story doesn't seem... 1431 01:30:42,770 --> 01:30:47,217 To have this relationship to effective treatment, or a cure anymore. 1432 01:30:47,341 --> 01:30:49,418 It now seems to have this relationship to death. 1433 01:30:49,443 --> 01:30:51,254 It ends, it ends with everybody dying. 1434 01:30:51,279 --> 01:30:53,980 Will the last person alive in Chelsea please turn out the lights? 1435 01:31:04,125 --> 01:31:06,736 Joining me now is Dr. David Kessler, the commissioner of the 1436 01:31:06,761 --> 01:31:08,734 food and drug administration. 1437 01:31:08,828 --> 01:31:12,205 Dr. Kessler, how excited should we get about this new family of 1438 01:31:12,300 --> 01:31:14,081 drugs, these protease inhibitors? 1439 01:31:14,402 --> 01:31:18,079 I don't want to over-promise, but these are the most potent 1440 01:31:18,104 --> 01:31:21,017 drugs we've seen against the virus. 1441 01:31:21,042 --> 01:31:24,346 I know that you are pushing for faster F.D.A. Approval 1442 01:31:24,511 --> 01:31:26,923 of these drugs, I know that the application has just gone for 1443 01:31:26,948 --> 01:31:30,065 the first of these drugs to the f. D.A... It's still gonna take six months. 1444 01:31:30,184 --> 01:31:33,625 We will turn around that application as quick as ever. 1445 01:31:33,854 --> 01:31:37,032 We're approving drugs in a matter of months these days. 1446 01:31:37,057 --> 01:31:39,302 But you were telling me that's six months, right? 1447 01:31:39,327 --> 01:31:40,369 That's as quick as possible. 1448 01:31:40,394 --> 01:31:42,504 We may be able to do it even a little quicker. 1449 01:31:42,529 --> 01:31:44,773 A split has developed between those who want 1450 01:31:44,798 --> 01:31:48,076 rapid approval based on early indicators of success... 1451 01:31:48,101 --> 01:31:50,216 And the treatment action group, or "tag". 1452 01:31:50,904 --> 01:31:54,963 Tag has asked the F.D.A. To reconsider the accelerated approval process. 1453 01:31:55,743 --> 01:31:57,512 We told the F.D.A., "no, 1454 01:31:57,979 --> 01:32:00,950 the company has asked you to approve that drug too soon. 1455 01:32:01,215 --> 01:32:03,117 They need a little bit more data first." 1456 01:32:03,818 --> 01:32:06,728 Tag is asking the F.D.A. To take a closer look at 1457 01:32:06,753 --> 01:32:09,392 saquinavir, the first protease inhibitor to seek approval. 1458 01:32:10,224 --> 01:32:14,503 We need to make sure we don't repeat the mistake we made with A.Z.T. And D.D.I. 1459 01:32:14,528 --> 01:32:16,304 This is a new class of drugs. 1460 01:32:16,329 --> 01:32:18,234 We need to know if it works. 1461 01:32:18,966 --> 01:32:22,171 ...the battle over early approval of saquinavir was a 1462 01:32:23,136 --> 01:32:26,481 really pivotal moment for treatment activism, and we took 1463 01:32:26,506 --> 01:32:28,615 such shit for it... from within. 1464 01:32:30,110 --> 01:32:32,193 There are a lot of people who do agree that there are 1465 01:32:32,212 --> 01:32:36,242 problems, serious problems the way drug testing and drug trials are run. 1466 01:32:36,751 --> 01:32:39,414 But there are many of us who feel that halting, um, 1467 01:32:41,188 --> 01:32:44,600 accelerated approval is not necessarily the answer. 1468 01:32:44,625 --> 01:32:47,637 Tag made their proposal for this large, simple trial of 1469 01:32:47,662 --> 01:32:49,771 18,000 people that they want to 1470 01:32:50,430 --> 01:32:54,278 put in a placebo control trial where one-third would get placebo. 1471 01:32:54,668 --> 01:32:56,978 They pushed this idea on the F.D.A. At a secret meeting, 1472 01:32:57,003 --> 01:32:59,161 which was not announced to the community. 1473 01:33:00,608 --> 01:33:03,333 This is something we have fought hard and long for. 1474 01:33:03,778 --> 01:33:06,856 We've been arrested to get accelerated approval through. 1475 01:33:06,881 --> 01:33:09,258 It's the behavior that I have a problem with. 1476 01:33:09,283 --> 01:33:12,794 It's the work they're doing that I have a problem with, and it's, 1477 01:33:12,819 --> 01:33:14,562 this is what I am gonna fight. 1478 01:33:14,587 --> 01:33:16,932 I'm not interested in mud wrestling with the boys. 1479 01:33:16,957 --> 01:33:19,019 I am absolutely enraged that there are 1480 01:33:19,045 --> 01:33:21,423 people who have appointed themselves elitist 1481 01:33:21,729 --> 01:33:25,641 representatives, and represent themselves as the single voice of this epidemic. 1482 01:33:25,666 --> 01:33:28,177 I am gonna fight them, my patients are gonna fight 1483 01:33:28,202 --> 01:33:30,927 them, and you goddamn well better fight them! 1484 01:33:37,243 --> 01:33:41,015 Apparently there's a big discussion on accelerated approval and protease drug 1485 01:33:41,314 --> 01:33:44,325 development last week on the floor, so we just wanted to give 1486 01:33:44,350 --> 01:33:48,129 you sort of the tag perspective, and give you a sense of our, um, 1487 01:33:48,154 --> 01:33:50,199 proposal on protease drug development so we can start from 1488 01:33:50,224 --> 01:33:52,500 a baseline of common understanding and knowledge. 1489 01:33:52,525 --> 01:33:55,737 This proposal is not about taking expanded access away, 1490 01:33:55,762 --> 01:33:59,311 taking accelerated approval away... this is about adding something. 1491 01:33:59,365 --> 01:34:01,273 This is about figuring out how do we get 1492 01:34:01,299 --> 01:34:03,646 information about how to actually use these drugs. 1493 01:34:03,671 --> 01:34:06,574 We need more people when you have a less powerful drug. 1494 01:34:06,841 --> 01:34:09,455 If we were dealing with penicillin, we could do it in 20 people. 1495 01:34:10,243 --> 01:34:12,687 So we put together a large, simple trial that tried to 1496 01:34:12,712 --> 01:34:15,725 synthesize expanded access in a large, simple trial. 1497 01:34:15,750 --> 01:34:19,227 And what we did is we presented it to Merck, we presented it to 1498 01:34:20,121 --> 01:34:23,286 the F.D.A., we wanted to start a community discussion. 1499 01:34:23,323 --> 01:34:27,810 I just wanted to thank Gregg and Derek for coming to tell us about this... 1500 01:34:29,195 --> 01:34:33,212 Because we hadn't heard anything until we read about it in Barron's. 1501 01:34:33,434 --> 01:34:36,044 If you wanted to hear the proposal, you could have heard it 40 times. 1502 01:34:36,069 --> 01:34:37,746 It's been talked about all over. 1503 01:34:37,771 --> 01:34:39,305 Dr. Cotler wants to speak. 1504 01:34:39,774 --> 01:34:42,151 Tag is talking about getting accurate information. 1505 01:34:42,176 --> 01:34:44,698 ACT UP is talking about making drugs available. 1506 01:34:44,811 --> 01:34:48,503 There should be a way to mesh those two, it's really not one or the other. 1507 01:34:48,716 --> 01:34:51,318 Your two groups are really talking past one another. 1508 01:34:51,652 --> 01:34:54,886 Try not to scream, try not to go at each other's throats, 1509 01:34:55,088 --> 01:34:58,005 but just talk, because the differences really can be bridged. 1510 01:35:00,293 --> 01:35:01,177 No, no, no. 1511 01:35:01,328 --> 01:35:02,348 - Hey! - Shh... 1512 01:35:04,631 --> 01:35:05,331 Quiet! 1513 01:35:06,332 --> 01:35:08,322 '93 to '95 were the worst years. 1514 01:35:10,003 --> 01:35:12,180 It was a really terrifying time. 1515 01:35:13,673 --> 01:35:15,442 They were the worst years. 1516 01:35:19,814 --> 01:35:21,311 And then we got lucky. 1517 01:36:10,396 --> 01:36:11,096 Um... 1518 01:36:12,632 --> 01:36:14,265 You know, just losing... 1519 01:36:17,704 --> 01:36:18,404 And, uh... 1520 01:36:20,975 --> 01:36:21,995 Just so many... 1521 01:36:24,444 --> 01:36:25,805 So many good people. 1522 01:36:26,346 --> 01:36:27,162 And... uh... 1523 01:36:30,050 --> 01:36:31,615 You know, like any war, 1524 01:36:34,020 --> 01:36:35,993 you wonder why you came home. 1525 01:36:50,671 --> 01:36:52,100 Mark collected all of 1526 01:36:52,907 --> 01:36:56,218 our writings, pieces that all of us had done about what had gone 1527 01:36:56,243 --> 01:36:59,687 wrong in the ways that we studied previous drugs, and what 1528 01:36:59,712 --> 01:37:02,958 we were already doing wrong in terms of trying to figure out 1529 01:37:02,983 --> 01:37:04,860 whether the protease inhibitors worked, and we published it 1530 01:37:04,885 --> 01:37:07,598 as this big report and started passing them out everywhere we went. 1531 01:37:07,954 --> 01:37:08,830 Let's do this study. 1532 01:37:08,855 --> 01:37:12,464 They elevated themselves by their own self-education about 1533 01:37:12,693 --> 01:37:15,937 these things, and then it became very, very clear that you 1534 01:37:15,962 --> 01:37:18,606 weren't gonna mess with these people because they knew exactly 1535 01:37:18,631 --> 01:37:22,378 what you were talking about, and they knew exactly what they 1536 01:37:22,403 --> 01:37:23,696 were talking about. 1537 01:37:23,837 --> 01:37:27,282 Activists created a system that was able to do everything 1538 01:37:27,307 --> 01:37:31,727 faster, better, cheaper, more ethically, and more effectively. 1539 01:37:32,578 --> 01:37:35,257 They forced people to put together the right clinical 1540 01:37:35,282 --> 01:37:40,397 trials where you had the patient in mind, and you weren't cutting corners. 1541 01:37:40,887 --> 01:37:43,065 And of course, the big breakthrough was combination 1542 01:37:43,090 --> 01:37:46,561 therapy, 'cause mono-therapy was clearly not the way to go. 1543 01:37:47,094 --> 01:37:49,237 So let's go back into patients, and let's go back into 1544 01:37:49,262 --> 01:37:52,053 patients with crixivan plus A.Z.T. Plus 3tc. 1545 01:37:52,533 --> 01:37:55,544 The activists proposed a study design, industry used it. 1546 01:37:55,569 --> 01:37:57,718 It got the drug approved in six months. 1547 01:37:57,837 --> 01:38:00,775 So I was at a meeting in Washington, and I stood up 1548 01:38:01,641 --> 01:38:05,513 there and I showed for the first time the data in the study. 1549 01:38:06,512 --> 01:38:10,919 The data goes up on the screen and everyone gasps and cameras start to click. 1550 01:38:10,984 --> 01:38:15,414 And just, it's a realization that this is, this is really great drug, and it, 1551 01:38:15,722 --> 01:38:16,387 it could work. 1552 01:38:16,422 --> 01:38:19,634 I remember sitting there in a hotel room in Washington, D.C., 1553 01:38:19,659 --> 01:38:23,317 our hotel banquet room, and just crying. 1554 01:38:24,530 --> 01:38:25,840 It was like, we did it. 1555 01:38:25,865 --> 01:38:27,021 We did something. 1556 01:38:27,434 --> 01:38:29,244 It was too much to take in at that point. 1557 01:38:29,269 --> 01:38:32,213 It wasn't until we started putting the drugs in our bodies 1558 01:38:32,238 --> 01:38:34,075 and we all went home and... 1559 01:38:34,975 --> 01:38:38,253 Started, went straight on that regimen that had been on that 1560 01:38:38,278 --> 01:38:43,382 slide, including crixivan and two nucleoside analogues. 1561 01:38:44,184 --> 01:38:48,560 And sure enough, it happened in us within 30 days, all of us. 1562 01:38:49,722 --> 01:38:51,908 Undetectable, undetectable, undetectable. 1563 01:38:52,025 --> 01:38:55,292 The dying was stopping with triple drug combination. 1564 01:38:55,929 --> 01:38:59,374 And if you needed your clinical trial, you could just go to 1565 01:38:59,399 --> 01:39:02,122 these hospitals that were not filling up the way they were 1566 01:39:02,136 --> 01:39:04,313 filling up with people with HIV. 1567 01:39:04,404 --> 01:39:07,648 You would see their Kaposi's sarcoma lesions that had been 1568 01:39:07,673 --> 01:39:09,578 bright and red and, um, big, 1569 01:39:11,278 --> 01:39:13,054 melting back into their skin. 1570 01:39:13,079 --> 01:39:14,757 They were calling it the Lazarus effect. 1571 01:39:14,782 --> 01:39:17,526 People who were deathly ill, would get put on this drug 1572 01:39:17,551 --> 01:39:19,762 and all of a sudden, they're working again. 1573 01:39:19,787 --> 01:39:21,828 That was a phenomenal feeling. 1574 01:39:22,189 --> 01:39:23,005 It worked. 1575 01:39:23,289 --> 01:39:25,572 You know, we did something remarkable. 1576 01:39:25,926 --> 01:39:29,100 So that breakthrough, you know, that we thought was 1577 01:39:29,695 --> 01:39:31,872 gonna happen in '88 or '89 if we 1578 01:39:32,498 --> 01:39:36,233 just worked fast enough, you know, it did happen. 1579 01:39:39,872 --> 01:39:41,777 But not until '96, and so... 1580 01:39:44,078 --> 01:39:45,894 You know, a lot of people died. 1581 01:39:46,079 --> 01:39:47,916 Maybe if Reagan had started 1582 01:39:48,916 --> 01:39:50,797 putting money into AIDS a little earlier... 1583 01:40:00,394 --> 01:40:02,163 They wouldn't all be dead. 1584 01:40:05,164 --> 01:40:09,607 I feel very fortunate, and there's probably a lot of 1585 01:40:10,136 --> 01:40:13,281 complicated reasons why, but I still find it very 1586 01:40:13,306 --> 01:40:16,209 difficult to plan for the future, and/or accept that 1587 01:40:17,944 --> 01:40:19,577 I will have a long life. 1588 01:40:22,216 --> 01:40:24,121 Which is unfortunate because 1589 01:40:24,818 --> 01:40:28,471 I've had a long life and I've been living with AIDS for 20 years. 1590 01:40:30,623 --> 01:40:32,806 But it's hard for me to relax into life. 1591 01:40:35,729 --> 01:40:40,476 I know lots of us went through really difficult times after... 1592 01:40:42,168 --> 01:40:45,726 Um, trying to figure out, well, what do I do now? 1593 01:40:46,773 --> 01:40:47,473 You know. 1594 01:40:47,908 --> 01:40:50,752 Not just because I didn't think I had a future and now I do, 1595 01:40:50,777 --> 01:40:56,940 so I have to make some plans, but... how do I do something else that is as... 1596 01:40:59,819 --> 01:41:05,035 I mean, it's a weird word, but as fulfilling as that work has been. 1597 01:41:06,460 --> 01:41:08,365 To be that threatened with 1598 01:41:11,364 --> 01:41:12,520 extinction, um... 1599 01:41:16,203 --> 01:41:17,972 And to not lay down, um... 1600 01:41:22,408 --> 01:41:24,449 To stand up and to fight back. 1601 01:41:28,515 --> 01:41:31,848 The way we did it, the way we took care of ourselves, 1602 01:41:31,918 --> 01:41:36,225 and each other, the goodness that we showed, the humanity 1603 01:41:38,057 --> 01:41:39,690 that we showed the world 1604 01:41:40,527 --> 01:41:42,024 is just mind-boggling. 1605 01:41:42,930 --> 01:41:44,018 Just incredible. 1606 01:41:47,033 --> 01:41:47,781 Fight AIDS! 1607 01:41:47,900 --> 01:41:48,600 ACT UP! 1608 01:41:49,069 --> 01:41:49,817 Fight back! 1609 01:41:50,337 --> 01:41:51,085 Fight AIDS! 1610 01:41:51,505 --> 01:41:55,472 Every single drug that's out there is because of ACT UP, I am convinced. 1611 01:41:55,943 --> 01:41:58,187 We had the brainpower and we had the street power. 1612 01:41:58,212 --> 01:42:00,088 We had the good cops and the bad cops. 1613 01:42:00,113 --> 01:42:02,128 The government didn't get us the drugs. 1614 01:42:02,216 --> 01:42:04,189 No one else got us the drugs. 1615 01:42:04,283 --> 01:42:07,734 We, ACT UP, got those drugs out there. 1616 01:42:08,154 --> 01:42:10,195 It is the proudest achievement 1617 01:42:11,057 --> 01:42:14,255 that the gay population of this world can ever claim. 1618 01:42:15,028 --> 01:42:18,005 We could do it because we could deliver hundreds and 1619 01:42:18,030 --> 01:42:20,071 sometimes thousands of bodies. 1620 01:42:20,500 --> 01:42:23,802 We had people with AIDS putting their bodies on the line, 1621 01:42:23,869 --> 01:42:28,458 flopping out in the streets, saying "fine, this is my body, take me away." 1622 01:42:28,841 --> 01:42:30,474 I drew the line there. 1623 01:42:32,179 --> 01:42:34,220 I didn't want to get arrested. 1624 01:42:35,815 --> 01:42:37,380 That far I wouldn't go. 1625 01:42:49,095 --> 01:42:49,979 ♪ Keeping up, 1626 01:42:52,466 --> 01:42:55,147 keeping up with the feeling, oh, yeah ♪ 1627 01:42:55,769 --> 01:42:57,953 ♪ getting to know what you like 1628 01:42:59,171 --> 01:43:00,464 and what you love ♪ 1629 01:43:01,108 --> 01:43:05,279 I'd like to close with words written by fellow AIDS activist, Vito Russo. 1630 01:43:06,012 --> 01:43:10,190 "When future generations ask what we did in the war, we have 1631 01:43:11,217 --> 01:43:14,760 to be able to tell them that we were out here fighting, and we 1632 01:43:15,255 --> 01:43:19,409 have to leave a legacy to the generations of people who will come after us. 1633 01:43:20,493 --> 01:43:23,523 Remember that someday the AIDS crisis will be over. 1634 01:43:24,930 --> 01:43:28,438 And when that day has come and gone, there will be a people 1635 01:43:28,902 --> 01:43:32,498 alive on this earth, gay people and straight people, 1636 01:43:32,572 --> 01:43:35,984 black people and white people, men and women who will hear 1637 01:43:36,009 --> 01:43:40,849 the story that once there was a terrible disease, and that a 1638 01:43:41,113 --> 01:43:44,926 brave group of people stood up and fought... and in some cases 1639 01:43:44,951 --> 01:43:48,305 died... so that others might live and be free." 1640 01:43:49,722 --> 01:43:50,674 ♪ And there's, 1641 01:43:51,658 --> 01:43:54,949 and there's, and there's no end in sight ♪ 1642 01:43:56,229 --> 01:43:58,066 ♪ and there's, and there's, 1643 01:43:59,065 --> 01:44:01,038 and there's no end in sight ♪ 1644 01:44:08,274 --> 01:44:10,470 We might have a federal charge against us... 1645 01:44:11,610 --> 01:44:12,310 Great! 1646 01:44:12,779 --> 01:44:14,548 Leavenworth, here we come. 1647 01:44:17,216 --> 01:44:18,304 ...an invoice? 1648 01:44:26,292 --> 01:44:27,244 ♪ Keeping up ♪ 1649 01:44:29,162 --> 01:44:30,114 ♪ keeping up ♪ 1650 01:44:30,430 --> 01:44:31,450 Green, green... 1651 01:44:33,100 --> 01:44:34,393 Ouch, that hurts. 1652 01:44:36,470 --> 01:44:38,691 ♪ Keeping it up, keeping it up ♪ 1653 01:44:41,774 --> 01:44:44,785 Information is essential so that doctors and patients 1654 01:44:44,810 --> 01:44:47,060 can make intelligent treatment decisions. 1655 01:44:50,583 --> 01:44:51,660 Okay, all right. 1656 01:44:51,685 --> 01:44:53,353 Do I have to hold the red button? 1657 01:44:53,520 --> 01:44:54,949 No, you can let go. 1658 01:44:55,454 --> 01:44:57,132 I'm really glad to see everybody here. 1659 01:44:57,157 --> 01:44:58,586 You look really good. 1660 01:45:00,460 --> 01:45:03,008 ♪ Try to keep up in time. ♪ 1661 01:45:03,796 --> 01:45:06,107 I'd like to suggest that we not be unethical, to do 1662 01:45:06,132 --> 01:45:10,074 a randomized trial of two different prevention programs. 1663 01:45:12,471 --> 01:45:16,437 If we don't eradicate HIV everywhere, we will never eradicate it anywhere. 1664 01:45:17,444 --> 01:45:18,396 ♪ Keeping up ♪ 1665 01:45:20,380 --> 01:45:21,332 ♪ keeping up ♪ 1666 01:45:22,248 --> 01:45:25,481 We may march without incident or they may arrest us. 1667 01:45:26,219 --> 01:45:27,375 But it'll be fun. 1668 01:45:33,460 --> 01:45:35,297 ...plane insky magazine. 1669 01:45:39,599 --> 01:45:41,520 ♪ We're going to ad-min today. ♪ 1670 01:45:44,304 --> 01:45:48,997 ♪ and there's, and there's, and there's no end in sight ♪ 1671 01:45:50,210 --> 01:45:52,047 ♪ and there's, and there's, 1672 01:45:53,180 --> 01:45:55,153 and there's no end in sight ♪ 1673 01:45:59,386 --> 01:46:00,338 ♪ keeping up ♪ 1674 01:46:01,688 --> 01:46:03,729 In just over, um, two years, 1675 01:46:05,225 --> 01:46:08,062 um, that drug went from test tube to full approval. 1676 01:46:08,561 --> 01:46:10,408 ♪ Heartbeat won't go slow ♪ 1677 01:46:11,832 --> 01:46:14,902 ♪ and when it's knowing you will be there tonight ♪ 1678 01:46:18,204 --> 01:46:19,156 ♪ keeping up ♪ 141248

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