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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:31,944 I would go out occasionally to a cockail party, 2 00:00:32,032 --> 00:00:37,289 and I was fascinated by all of what I saw there. 3 00:00:37,370 --> 00:00:39,134 There were a few guys dancing with a few guys, 4 00:00:39,205 --> 00:00:42,357 a couple of gals dancing with a couple gals. 5 00:00:42,475 --> 00:00:44,899 It was just a party, and people were 6 00:00:44,978 --> 00:00:48,494 dancing and having a good time. 7 00:00:48,615 --> 00:00:50,379 Paries like this were illegal. 8 00:00:54,187 --> 00:00:57,510 And the nex think I know the cops came in. 9 00:00:57,624 --> 00:01:00,219 Doors burst open, there they were. 10 00:01:00,293 --> 00:01:02,751 They were arresting a bunch of queers. 11 00:01:05,398 --> 00:01:10,052 They took us down to the police station. 12 00:01:10,170 --> 00:01:15,666 I thought, oh, my god, this is terrible. 13 00:01:15,742 --> 00:01:22,012 I thought, what would my mother think of my being arrested? 14 00:01:22,082 --> 00:01:24,711 Will it affect this career that I'm trying to get 15 00:01:24,818 --> 00:01:28,778 stared in the motion pictures? 16 00:01:28,855 --> 00:01:31,484 An attorney, Harry Weiss, appeared. 17 00:01:31,558 --> 00:01:33,083 He was well known for taking care 18 00:01:33,193 --> 00:01:35,651 of situations like that with many, many Hollywood people. 19 00:01:38,598 --> 00:01:42,399 And he said, you've got to be a lot sharper than you are. 20 00:01:42,502 --> 00:01:43,458 You're in Hollywood now. 21 00:01:43,536 --> 00:01:49,203 You want to be an actor and really laid down the law to me. 22 00:01:49,275 --> 00:01:52,541 And then I was released. 23 00:01:52,612 --> 00:01:54,581 I had no idea it was going to jump up and be 24 00:01:54,681 --> 00:01:58,368 thrown at me years later. 25 00:01:58,451 --> 00:01:59,942 He's the young fellow you've been waiting for, 26 00:02:00,053 --> 00:02:03,922 ladies and gentlemen, Tab Hunter. 27 00:02:04,023 --> 00:02:05,116 MAN: Six feet of rugged manhood can 28 00:02:05,191 --> 00:02:06,773 stir the hear of every woman. 29 00:02:06,860 --> 00:02:09,557 Oh, my goodness, I'm fabbergasted! 30 00:02:09,629 --> 00:02:10,312 Tab Hunter. 31 00:02:10,430 --> 00:02:11,591 MAN: How do you shave, Tab'? 32 00:02:11,698 --> 00:02:13,280 With Gillette Super Speed of course. 33 00:02:13,366 --> 00:02:14,049 Tab Hunter! 34 00:02:15,301 --> 00:02:17,122 You tell me where I can fne Tab Hunter. 35 00:02:17,237 --> 00:02:18,034 Well, you do pretty good. 36 00:02:18,104 --> 00:02:18,867 Gee, thanks. 37 00:02:18,938 --> 00:02:20,122 MAN: What do you like about Tab Hunter? 38 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:22,357 Well, (LAUGHING) quite a few things. 39 00:02:23,276 --> 00:02:23,891 MAN (SINGING): That clean cut, unaffected Tab Hunter. 40 00:02:23,977 --> 00:02:24,740 GIRLS: Tab! 41 00:02:26,946 --> 00:02:28,801 MAN (SINGING): That All-American boy. 42 00:02:31,718 --> 00:02:34,506 Shocking, but true story of a young man who found himself 43 00:02:34,587 --> 00:02:37,409 overwhelmed by a strange compulsion. 44 00:02:37,490 --> 00:02:40,608 Hello, I'm Tab Hunter, and I've got a secret. 45 00:02:40,727 --> 00:02:43,026 Well, I would never have talked about my personal life 46 00:02:43,096 --> 00:02:44,758 in the 1950s. 47 00:02:44,831 --> 00:02:46,595 Something the matter, kid? 48 00:02:46,666 --> 00:02:47,349 What? 49 00:02:47,467 --> 00:02:48,150 Oh, no. 50 00:02:48,268 --> 00:02:49,520 No, not a thing. 51 00:02:49,602 --> 00:02:52,117 TAB HUNTER: I obviously was very closeted. 52 00:02:52,238 --> 00:02:54,173 And I'm sure it's a very diffcult thing 53 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,505 to think, what's the problem? 54 00:02:56,576 --> 00:02:57,703 But there was a problem. 55 00:03:00,647 --> 00:03:02,673 It's been very diffcult for me my whole life 56 00:03:02,782 --> 00:03:06,230 talking about that side of me. 57 00:03:06,319 --> 00:03:07,981 For me to come out of myself like this 58 00:03:08,087 --> 00:03:11,239 and to share all of this is exremely diffcult. 59 00:03:11,324 --> 00:03:13,350 I've never been as open as I am with you 60 00:03:13,459 --> 00:03:16,782 because it's been written about and what the heck? 61 00:03:16,863 --> 00:03:17,990 You know, I'm an old man. 62 00:03:18,097 --> 00:03:20,851 You know, this my life-- big deal. 63 00:03:20,934 --> 00:03:30,526 (mum-nus) 64 00:03:30,610 --> 00:03:33,808 When I count three, will all of the ladies in the audience 65 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,304 please go, (SIGHING). 66 00:03:36,382 --> 00:03:38,408 Tab, when I was young, when I frst saw him, 67 00:03:38,518 --> 00:03:44,310 looked-- beside acting, he just was amazing looking. 68 00:03:44,390 --> 00:03:47,144 Whoa, this was like a fying saucer landed looking 69 00:03:47,227 --> 00:03:52,154 like that cute-- beautiful, California surfer, 70 00:03:52,232 --> 00:03:58,001 handsome that every single girl or boy wanted to make out with. 71 00:03:58,071 --> 00:03:58,834 GIRL: Are you Tab Hunter'? 72 00:03:58,905 --> 00:03:59,736 Uh, yeah-- yeah. 73 00:03:59,839 --> 00:04:03,708 I think I've died and gone to heaven. 74 00:04:03,810 --> 00:04:06,325 Kids and the fans just gravitated to him 75 00:04:06,412 --> 00:04:08,392 just like a magnet. 76 00:04:08,514 --> 00:04:13,532 He was so popular, and so many people just thought he was it. 77 00:04:13,653 --> 00:04:14,666 And he was. 78 00:04:14,754 --> 00:04:16,336 (LAUGHING) I'll bet. 79 00:04:16,422 --> 00:04:20,291 He was as big as they could come. 80 00:04:20,393 --> 00:04:24,922 He had the star quality and he had the x-factor. 81 00:04:25,031 --> 00:04:27,182 Mr. Tab Hunter- Tab. 82 00:04:28,668 --> 00:04:32,355 And in every picture they managed to take his shir off. 83 00:04:32,438 --> 00:04:33,804 (mum-nus) 84 00:04:33,906 --> 00:04:35,340 Hey, kid! 85 00:04:35,408 --> 00:04:37,832 Nobody could take their eyes off Tab Hunter. 86 00:04:37,910 --> 00:04:41,904 He was the All-American boy, and nobody sold that image better. 87 00:04:42,015 --> 00:04:43,995 He was the good-looking sailor, or he 88 00:04:44,083 --> 00:04:46,507 was the good-looking Marine, and he was the good-looking Air 89 00:04:46,586 --> 00:04:48,202 Force pilot. 90 00:04:48,288 --> 00:04:50,109 I did so many military flms that I 91 00:04:50,223 --> 00:04:53,489 was waiting for the government to send me a pension. 92 00:04:53,559 --> 00:04:56,347 I mean, my gosh, I was in uniform all the time. 93 00:04:56,429 --> 00:04:57,408 Cigarette? 94 00:04:57,530 --> 00:04:59,897 I saw him in "Battle Cry." 95 00:04:59,966 --> 00:05:03,391 He played a young Marine with Dorothy Malone. 96 00:05:03,469 --> 00:05:04,596 They did have a love scene. 97 00:05:08,107 --> 00:05:09,928 It caused a lot of comment at the studio. 98 00:05:10,043 --> 00:05:11,409 Let's take a dip in the pool. 99 00:05:11,477 --> 00:05:13,457 We can't have one of our young Marines having 100 00:05:13,579 --> 00:05:15,036 an affair with a married woman. 101 00:05:15,114 --> 00:05:16,241 Oh, really? 102 00:05:16,316 --> 00:05:16,999 (mum-nus) 103 00:05:17,116 --> 00:05:19,904 I think you're the most beautiful woman I've ever met. 104 00:05:19,986 --> 00:05:22,501 What was the one he did was Sophia Loren'? 105 00:05:22,622 --> 00:05:23,988 ANNOUNCER: "That Kind of Woman--" 106 00:05:24,090 --> 00:05:27,288 "That Kind of Woman," yeah, and of course, 107 00:05:27,393 --> 00:05:30,841 I adored her too, and I thought, ooh, what a couple. 108 00:05:30,930 --> 00:05:33,081 He doesn't look old enough to drink. 109 00:05:33,166 --> 00:05:35,920 I'm old enough to do anything, 110 00:05:36,002 --> 00:05:41,191 With his charm and good looks and his magnetic presence, 111 00:05:41,307 --> 00:05:45,904 he was the embodiment of youthful American masculinity. 112 00:05:45,978 --> 00:05:47,344 Thank you very much and thank you. 113 00:05:47,447 --> 00:05:49,962 There he goes, the eligible bachelor from Hollywood. 114 00:05:57,090 --> 00:05:59,184 By now I'm used to Tab Hunter, of course, 115 00:05:59,258 --> 00:06:01,227 after all these years. 116 00:06:01,294 --> 00:06:02,910 I grew up as Ar Gelien. 117 00:06:06,866 --> 00:06:12,362 I was born in 1931-- July, 11,1931. 118 00:06:12,472 --> 00:06:15,499 My mother's name was Gerrude Gelien. 119 00:06:15,608 --> 00:06:19,090 She was from Hamburg, Germany. 120 00:06:19,178 --> 00:06:23,616 I always used to say she was a poor-man's Marlene Dietrich. 121 00:06:23,683 --> 00:06:25,538 She had two children-- my older brother, 122 00:06:25,651 --> 00:06:30,271 Walt, who was 11 months older than me. 123 00:06:30,356 --> 00:06:32,120 My mother and father did not get along at all. 124 00:06:32,191 --> 00:06:35,946 He was terribly abusive to her. 125 00:06:36,028 --> 00:06:38,213 Once my mother left my father, it 126 00:06:38,331 --> 00:06:39,947 was a lot of burden, a lot of stress 127 00:06:40,032 --> 00:06:44,470 for a single woman raising two children in those days. 128 00:06:44,537 --> 00:06:46,392 She was very strict. 129 00:06:46,506 --> 00:06:48,486 One moment she could be very explosive, 130 00:06:48,574 --> 00:06:53,262 and the other moment she could be terribly tender and dear. 131 00:06:53,379 --> 00:06:56,349 My mother worked like a dog. 132 00:06:56,416 --> 00:06:59,739 She held, sometimes, two jobs. 133 00:06:59,852 --> 00:07:01,468 She wanted to create an environment 134 00:07:01,554 --> 00:07:04,820 of a family and a home, and that was very 135 00:07:04,891 --> 00:07:06,860 imporant to her and to us. 136 00:07:09,695 --> 00:07:14,861 I was lost as a kid in many ways-- introvered. 137 00:07:14,934 --> 00:07:19,133 And I was exremely shy. 138 00:07:19,238 --> 00:07:22,504 I was never comforable around people. 139 00:07:22,575 --> 00:07:24,669 It made me very nervous. 140 00:07:24,744 --> 00:07:27,771 My brother was quite the opposite. 141 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:29,576 My brother I looked up to a great deal 142 00:07:29,682 --> 00:07:33,312 because he could handle every situation very well. 143 00:07:33,386 --> 00:07:35,719 He was always prompting me on. 144 00:07:35,788 --> 00:07:38,485 Otherwise I'd have stayed in my shell much, much longer. 145 00:07:41,794 --> 00:07:44,946 We were raised as Catholics. 146 00:07:45,064 --> 00:07:48,899 My mother put us in parochial school, where we had nuns. 147 00:07:48,968 --> 00:07:51,233 She just was really, really concerned 148 00:07:51,304 --> 00:07:53,728 about our own development-- mental, physical, 149 00:07:53,806 --> 00:07:56,776 and spiritual. 150 00:07:56,876 --> 00:07:59,300 I loved going to church. 151 00:07:59,378 --> 00:08:01,859 I did sing in the choir. 152 00:08:01,948 --> 00:08:05,703 Benediction was always wonderful to me, and mass was in Latin, 153 00:08:05,785 --> 00:08:07,720 and I loved that. 154 00:08:07,787 --> 00:08:09,904 It was a good place to go and become a par 155 00:08:09,989 --> 00:08:11,514 of something that moved me. 156 00:08:11,624 --> 00:08:14,617 ANNOUNCER: It's "The Black Swan," starring Tyrone Power, 157 00:08:14,727 --> 00:08:17,663 in his lustiest role as the daring Captain Waring. 158 00:08:17,730 --> 00:08:20,245 Of course I went to movies all the time. 159 00:08:20,333 --> 00:08:22,518 I lived at the movies. 160 00:08:22,635 --> 00:08:24,251 There was an aura about movie stars. 161 00:08:24,337 --> 00:08:26,101 It was quite wonderful. 162 00:08:26,172 --> 00:08:27,458 They were total escapism. 163 00:08:27,573 --> 00:08:30,202 I loved that. 164 00:08:30,276 --> 00:08:34,077 Movies was a world away. 165 00:08:34,146 --> 00:08:38,231 I did feel I was different from other boys. 166 00:08:38,317 --> 00:08:42,846 The word gay was not around when I was a kid. 167 00:08:42,955 --> 00:08:48,724 They used derogatory terms- fairy, queer. 168 00:08:48,794 --> 00:08:51,821 And I might even have said that about someone, 169 00:08:51,931 --> 00:08:54,230 not wanting to be different, wanting 170 00:08:54,300 --> 00:08:56,895 to be like everyone else. 171 00:08:56,969 --> 00:08:59,063 I was always taught if there's something 172 00:08:59,138 --> 00:09:02,768 bad just push it from your mind, push it from your mind. 173 00:09:02,842 --> 00:09:05,505 So I never confronted those things, even though it was 174 00:09:05,611 --> 00:09:07,193 there and was very powerful. 175 00:09:10,683 --> 00:09:13,346 I hated myself. 176 00:09:13,452 --> 00:09:15,239 I went to confession. 177 00:09:15,321 --> 00:09:17,779 And this one priest made me feel like I was the most miserable 178 00:09:17,857 --> 00:09:18,711 person that ever lived. 179 00:09:21,694 --> 00:09:26,792 After my confession I fed from the church completely, 180 00:09:26,866 --> 00:09:30,348 even though it was something I really loved. 181 00:09:30,469 --> 00:09:34,156 I came away from that more fearful than ever. 182 00:09:40,179 --> 00:09:45,618 I when John Burroughs Junior High School with Arhur Gelien. 183 00:09:45,685 --> 00:09:50,373 It with as if magic had dropped into the school. 184 00:09:50,489 --> 00:09:53,573 Honestly, the girls would not leave him alone. 185 00:09:53,659 --> 00:09:56,652 They had never seen anybody so handsome. 186 00:09:56,729 --> 00:09:59,244 They were just mesmerized. 187 00:09:59,365 --> 00:10:01,061 Girls were very attracted to me, 188 00:10:01,167 --> 00:10:03,989 and it made me exremely uncomforable 189 00:10:04,070 --> 00:10:08,838 when people would carry on in any way, shape, or form. 190 00:10:08,908 --> 00:10:13,107 If he tried to walk down the hall, he simply was mobbed. 191 00:10:13,212 --> 00:10:16,694 There were times that he'd have to run into an empty classroom 192 00:10:16,782 --> 00:10:20,378 and lock the door to get away from the girls. 193 00:10:20,453 --> 00:10:24,049 I don't know how he survived. 194 00:10:24,123 --> 00:10:28,049 The attention at school was so disruptive that I just felt 195 00:10:28,127 --> 00:10:30,551 I needed some sor of escape. 196 00:10:30,630 --> 00:10:33,293 So I decided to join the Coast Guard. 197 00:10:33,399 --> 00:10:34,412 I just had wanderlust. 198 00:10:38,237 --> 00:10:41,537 My mother and I had a big argument just prior to my 199 00:10:41,607 --> 00:10:44,031 joining the Coast Guard. 200 00:10:44,110 --> 00:10:48,730 Kelm was my father's name-- Charles Kelm. 201 00:10:48,814 --> 00:10:54,105 My earliest memory was my father abusing my mother, 202 00:10:54,220 --> 00:10:57,702 and my brother and I crying. 203 00:10:57,790 --> 00:10:59,884 I had no recollection of my father after that. 204 00:10:59,959 --> 00:11:01,655 My mother never wanted to talk about him. 205 00:11:01,761 --> 00:11:03,377 In fact, you'd mention his name and she 206 00:11:03,462 --> 00:11:04,259 would literally shudder. 207 00:11:07,099 --> 00:11:10,456 I at times wished that we had a father. 208 00:11:10,569 --> 00:11:15,007 I kept saying Charlie probably wasn't that bad after all. 209 00:11:15,074 --> 00:11:16,770 And my mother said, oh, really? 210 00:11:16,842 --> 00:11:18,959 Then I think you should go to New York and see him. 211 00:11:21,847 --> 00:11:26,171 And when I was on libery in New York, I had his address, 212 00:11:26,285 --> 00:11:28,049 and I knocked on the door. 213 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,147 And this woman says, yes'? 214 00:11:31,257 --> 00:11:33,351 And I said, is Charles Kelm here? 215 00:11:33,426 --> 00:11:35,725 And she said, no. 216 00:11:35,795 --> 00:11:41,416 And beyond her I could see a fgure sitting in a chair. 217 00:11:41,500 --> 00:11:45,426 And I said to her, well, would you tell him that his son 218 00:11:45,504 --> 00:11:48,019 came by to say hello? 219 00:11:48,140 --> 00:11:49,153 And she said, yes. 220 00:11:49,275 --> 00:11:50,607 And she slammed the door in my face. 221 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:57,480 I knew that that was my father sitting in that chair. 222 00:11:57,550 --> 00:12:02,409 And I could tell that he didn't want to see me. 223 00:12:02,521 --> 00:12:04,376 I was devastated. 224 00:12:04,490 --> 00:12:07,187 And I just walked in the snow for hours. 225 00:12:10,129 --> 00:12:13,611 The Coast Guard found out I was under age and discharged me. 226 00:12:13,699 --> 00:12:15,224 And then when they discharged me, 227 00:12:15,334 --> 00:12:16,825 I went back down to Los Angeles. 228 00:12:22,208 --> 00:12:23,824 I worked as a delivery man. 229 00:12:23,909 --> 00:12:26,026 I worked wrapping presents at Brothers 230 00:12:26,145 --> 00:12:26,908 in Hollywood. 231 00:12:26,979 --> 00:12:30,302 I worked at the Orange Julius stand on Hollywood Boulevard. 232 00:12:30,382 --> 00:12:31,634 I did an awful lot of jobs. 233 00:12:35,921 --> 00:12:40,006 My brother was the one who introduced me to horses. 234 00:12:40,092 --> 00:12:43,290 I wanted to do whatever my brother did. 235 00:12:43,395 --> 00:12:45,660 And then my brother went on, of course, to other things, 236 00:12:45,731 --> 00:12:48,428 but I stayed with the horses. 237 00:12:48,534 --> 00:12:53,131 I loved being around the horses when they were in their stalls. 238 00:12:53,205 --> 00:12:54,184 I loved the smell of them. 239 00:12:54,273 --> 00:12:55,434 I loved working around them. 240 00:12:55,541 --> 00:12:57,396 I loved riding. 241 00:12:57,510 --> 00:13:02,312 And I got a job mucking out and being at the barn. 242 00:13:02,381 --> 00:13:04,202 When the horse came into my life, 243 00:13:04,283 --> 00:13:07,151 they totally consumed my life. 244 00:13:07,253 --> 00:13:09,950 One weekend at the barn, Dick Clayton 245 00:13:10,055 --> 00:13:13,412 came out, who was an actor at the time, 246 00:13:13,526 --> 00:13:16,155 with an actress by the name of Ann Blyth. 247 00:13:16,228 --> 00:13:18,015 And they were doing a photo layout 248 00:13:18,097 --> 00:13:20,248 for one of the movie magazines. 249 00:13:20,366 --> 00:13:24,963 Well, I was fascinated, so I just stood there and watched. 250 00:13:25,037 --> 00:13:29,202 And then Ann left, and I got to talking to Dick afterwards, 251 00:13:29,275 --> 00:13:31,699 and we became friendly. 252 00:13:31,777 --> 00:13:35,464 Dick never came on to me like a lot of people did. 253 00:13:35,581 --> 00:13:39,063 I never felt a hidden agenda from Dick Clayton 254 00:13:39,151 --> 00:13:43,680 because I just felt so comforable with him. 255 00:13:43,789 --> 00:13:46,657 I never had a man in my life like that. 256 00:13:46,759 --> 00:13:48,250 And he was the one who frst planted 257 00:13:48,327 --> 00:13:51,923 the seed for me-- how would you feel about being an actor'? 258 00:13:51,997 --> 00:13:56,128 And I thought, oh, wow, that'd be terrifc. 259 00:13:56,235 --> 00:13:58,022 I did star thinking about it. 260 00:13:58,103 --> 00:14:00,038 But I didn't know what to do, where to begin, 261 00:14:00,105 --> 00:14:01,562 how to get stared in the business. 262 00:14:05,010 --> 00:14:10,028 Henry Wilson was an agent for a lot of young actors. 263 00:14:10,149 --> 00:14:14,917 Henry had a stable of stars- Guy Madison, 264 00:14:14,987 --> 00:14:18,947 Rory Calhoun, Rock Hudson. 265 00:14:19,024 --> 00:14:21,960 Henry Wilson was a big-deal agent. 266 00:14:22,027 --> 00:14:27,648 And it seemed like every actor he touched became a big star. 267 00:14:27,766 --> 00:14:30,554 And he had a cerain style of client, 268 00:14:30,636 --> 00:14:33,060 and he was the one who would take the pretty boys 269 00:14:33,138 --> 00:14:35,619 and make stars out of them. 270 00:14:35,708 --> 00:14:39,190 Dick Clayton said I want you to me Henry Wilson. 271 00:14:39,311 --> 00:14:42,998 You know, he doesn't have the most sterling reputation. 272 00:14:43,115 --> 00:14:44,777 And I went there and met him. 273 00:14:44,850 --> 00:14:47,149 You know, he was giving you the look and the stare 274 00:14:47,219 --> 00:14:47,902 and all that. 275 00:14:48,020 --> 00:14:49,352 I'm not an idiot. 276 00:14:49,455 --> 00:14:52,152 I could see what was going on there. 277 00:14:52,224 --> 00:14:56,059 Oh, yeah, Henry would put the make on me every now and then. 278 00:14:56,161 --> 00:14:59,097 Occasionally his knee would push against your knee or something 279 00:14:59,164 --> 00:15:00,826 like that. 280 00:15:00,900 --> 00:15:02,027 Well, I just wasn't interested. 281 00:15:02,134 --> 00:15:05,582 I mean, Henry was an amusing, fun person to go out with once 282 00:15:05,671 --> 00:15:08,334 in a while, but that was it. 283 00:15:08,407 --> 00:15:09,739 Henry was cerainly not my type. 284 00:15:13,312 --> 00:15:15,736 We were sitting in his offce, and he 285 00:15:15,814 --> 00:15:17,749 said the name's gotta go. 286 00:15:17,816 --> 00:15:19,603 So he said we've got to tab you something. 287 00:15:19,685 --> 00:15:22,382 So that's how Tab came about. 288 00:15:22,488 --> 00:15:26,084 And I showed horses-- hunters and jumpers. 289 00:15:26,158 --> 00:15:27,615 And Henry said, that's it-- Tab Hunter. 290 00:15:27,693 --> 00:15:29,548 That's a good name. 291 00:15:29,662 --> 00:15:35,101 I can just see my new name, Tab Hunter, on the marquee. 292 00:15:35,167 --> 00:15:39,093 I remember having a few drinks, and I was feeling no pain. 293 00:15:39,171 --> 00:15:44,428 I said, I'm going to be a movie star. (LAUGHING) 294 00:15:44,510 --> 00:15:47,776 Ar Gelein became Tab Hunter. 295 00:15:47,846 --> 00:15:51,146 The new name was hard for me to get used to though. 296 00:15:51,216 --> 00:15:53,333 And then Henry said, well, once you see it on "pay to the order 297 00:15:53,419 --> 00:15:57,106 of," it won't be so bad. 298 00:15:57,222 --> 00:16:01,910 He was a man who was eager, excited, and enthusiastic, 299 00:16:02,027 --> 00:16:03,609 and wanted it. 300 00:16:03,696 --> 00:16:05,392 Boy, it sure did come fast. 301 00:16:05,464 --> 00:16:07,399 ANNOUNCER: A lush, topical paradise 302 00:16:07,466 --> 00:16:09,253 beyond your wildest most romantic dreams. 303 00:16:12,237 --> 00:16:17,767 The frst interview I had was for "Island of the Desire." 304 00:16:17,876 --> 00:16:20,300 So they sent me to meet the director. 305 00:16:20,379 --> 00:16:24,737 He looked up and said, that's the boy I want. 306 00:16:24,817 --> 00:16:26,103 And he asked me to take off my shir. 307 00:16:26,218 --> 00:16:28,335 I was really embarrassed. 308 00:16:28,420 --> 00:16:31,504 I then did a screen test with Linda Darnell. 309 00:16:31,590 --> 00:16:33,775 She was a very big name. 310 00:16:33,892 --> 00:16:37,522 Oh, I was a nervous wreck doing a screen test. 311 00:16:37,596 --> 00:16:38,552 She said, don't worry. 312 00:16:38,630 --> 00:16:41,088 I'm good luck for newcomers. 313 00:16:41,166 --> 00:16:44,364 And they said, now you take her in your arms and you kiss her. 314 00:16:44,470 --> 00:16:45,802 I took her in my arms and I kissed her. 315 00:16:49,174 --> 00:16:51,109 (LAUGHING) I kissed her. 316 00:16:51,176 --> 00:16:51,859 She looked at me. 317 00:16:51,977 --> 00:16:53,673 And they said, cut, and she pinched me, 318 00:16:53,779 --> 00:17:01,619 and she said, that was nice. (LAUGHING) Audience 319 00:17:01,687 --> 00:17:03,508 response was phenomenal. 320 00:17:03,622 --> 00:17:06,444 Critics, ha, they hated. 321 00:17:06,525 --> 00:17:08,050 You're out of your mind! 322 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:09,412 Darn right. 323 00:17:09,495 --> 00:17:11,521 This blasted island's got me loco. 324 00:17:11,630 --> 00:17:12,882 I got roasted. 325 00:17:12,965 --> 00:17:13,978 Hello, Hawaii. 326 00:17:14,099 --> 00:17:15,351 Hello, America. 327 00:17:15,434 --> 00:17:16,413 Hello, England. 328 00:17:16,502 --> 00:17:17,788 Hello, anybody! 329 00:17:17,870 --> 00:17:20,954 He doesn't demonstrate any shred 330 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:22,827 of acting ability in that flm. 331 00:17:22,941 --> 00:17:25,399 I was born too late, and I've got a lot to learn. 332 00:17:25,477 --> 00:17:28,231 My mother and I did go to a screening of it. 333 00:17:28,313 --> 00:17:29,599 The lights came up. 334 00:17:29,681 --> 00:17:35,018 My mother said, you were lousy. 335 00:17:35,120 --> 00:17:40,104 I was so bad in the movie that I couldn't get arrested. 336 00:17:40,192 --> 00:17:42,980 It was a long spell between "Island 337 00:17:43,062 --> 00:17:45,998 of Desire" and my nex job. 338 00:17:46,065 --> 00:17:50,059 The only pars I could get were grade-Z movies. 339 00:17:50,169 --> 00:17:51,330 Interpreting hieroglyphics was par 340 00:17:51,403 --> 00:17:53,338 of my archaeological studies. 341 00:17:53,405 --> 00:17:59,106 I felt that I was a B actor trapped in that genre of flm, 342 00:17:59,211 --> 00:18:02,534 and there was no way out. 343 00:18:02,648 --> 00:18:03,479 Hello, Pop! 344 00:18:03,549 --> 00:18:05,848 TAB HUNTER: Acting was something that Dick Clayton 345 00:18:05,918 --> 00:18:08,581 was always on my case about. 346 00:18:08,687 --> 00:18:10,121 This isn't something that just happens. 347 00:18:10,189 --> 00:18:12,818 You've got to work. 348 00:18:12,891 --> 00:18:18,023 There's so much to learn and so much to tap inside of myself. 349 00:18:18,097 --> 00:18:21,295 And I wanted to go on to the nex step. 350 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,222 And he arranged for me to do "Our Town." 351 00:18:24,336 --> 00:18:28,626 It was imporant for me to do it because it was great material 352 00:18:28,707 --> 00:18:32,997 and a chance to grow. 353 00:18:33,078 --> 00:18:36,344 Marilyn Erskine, a Broadway actress, who was very good, 354 00:18:36,415 --> 00:18:39,715 did not want to do "Our Town" with me. 355 00:18:39,785 --> 00:18:44,439 George was a marvelous par for a young actor. 356 00:18:44,556 --> 00:18:47,856 But Tab Hunter playing George? 357 00:18:47,926 --> 00:18:50,441 Well, I didn't see that. 358 00:18:50,562 --> 00:18:54,158 And so I was a little bit concerned because that's such 359 00:18:54,233 --> 00:18:57,533 an imporant par of the play. 360 00:18:57,603 --> 00:18:59,720 We did a read through. 361 00:18:59,805 --> 00:19:01,592 And after we fnished the reading 362 00:19:01,707 --> 00:19:04,461 she agreed to do it with me. 363 00:19:04,543 --> 00:19:08,560 She said, OK, young man, we've got a lot of work ahead of us. 364 00:19:08,647 --> 00:19:10,582 Let's get to it. 365 00:19:10,649 --> 00:19:14,905 Well, I wanted him to be comforable within himself 366 00:19:14,987 --> 00:19:17,775 that he can do this. 367 00:19:17,890 --> 00:19:22,339 Tad had that desire to really be good. 368 00:19:22,427 --> 00:19:26,262 I saw an actor who grew and grew, getting 369 00:19:26,331 --> 00:19:29,529 better and better and better. 370 00:19:29,635 --> 00:19:31,615 TAB HUNTER: The only thing I really could rely on 371 00:19:31,737 --> 00:19:35,538 were my instincts and my feelings. 372 00:19:35,607 --> 00:19:39,408 And they won't lead you too far astray. 373 00:19:39,478 --> 00:19:42,175 And Tab was just fabulous. 374 00:19:42,281 --> 00:19:43,078 He was George. 375 00:19:45,784 --> 00:19:48,265 The play was exremely well received, got good notices-- 376 00:19:48,353 --> 00:19:51,949 the frst good notices I ever received in my life. 377 00:19:52,024 --> 00:19:55,472 From that, it sor of whet the appetite. 378 00:19:55,594 --> 00:19:58,382 I came away from that experience realizing 379 00:19:58,463 --> 00:20:00,125 that I wanted to be an actor. 380 00:20:04,770 --> 00:20:08,252 The studios ran Hollywood. 381 00:20:08,340 --> 00:20:12,698 Hollywood was MGM, Paramount, 20th Century 382 00:20:12,811 --> 00:20:16,646 Fox, Warner Brothers. 383 00:20:16,715 --> 00:20:21,904 It was just a society in unto itself, Warner Brothers. 384 00:20:22,020 --> 00:20:25,536 It was the best studio, so we were very proud. 385 00:20:25,657 --> 00:20:29,105 But you did not cross to cross Jack Warner. 386 00:20:29,194 --> 00:20:32,494 Colonel Warner- Colonel Jack Warner, ladies and gentlemen. 387 00:20:32,564 --> 00:20:34,146 You know, Warner was quite a character. 388 00:20:34,233 --> 00:20:35,417 He really was. 389 00:20:35,534 --> 00:20:38,891 He looked like Lucifer with a little mustache of his. 390 00:20:39,004 --> 00:20:40,825 Ha, you son-of-a-bitch. (LAUGHING) 391 00:20:40,906 --> 00:20:43,899 When you had a guy like Jack Warner on your side, 392 00:20:44,009 --> 00:20:45,443 you had the whole Warner Brothers 393 00:20:45,510 --> 00:20:47,274 operation on your side. 394 00:20:47,346 --> 00:20:49,463 You were in business. 395 00:20:49,548 --> 00:20:51,073 The studio contract was really good 396 00:20:51,183 --> 00:20:54,267 because of the security of it. 397 00:20:54,353 --> 00:20:57,289 At Warner Brothers, they had acting classes, 398 00:20:57,356 --> 00:20:59,473 singing, dancing. 399 00:20:59,558 --> 00:21:03,245 And I said, Henry, I really need to go to work. 400 00:21:03,362 --> 00:21:05,729 And Henry sent out wired to different producers 401 00:21:05,831 --> 00:21:07,413 saying Tab Hunter's available. 402 00:21:07,499 --> 00:21:10,435 And he arranged for me to meet, casting 403 00:21:10,502 --> 00:21:12,289 director of Warner Brothers. 404 00:21:12,371 --> 00:21:14,829 And I got a call from the studio. 405 00:21:14,906 --> 00:21:16,670 They took out an option that they 406 00:21:16,742 --> 00:21:18,927 might put me under contract. 407 00:21:19,044 --> 00:21:22,640 And your frst picture will be with John Wayne in and Lana 408 00:21:22,714 --> 00:21:24,899 Turner in "The Sea Chase!" 409 00:21:25,017 --> 00:21:26,679 , more coffee. 410 00:21:26,752 --> 00:21:27,708 Yes, sir. 411 00:21:27,786 --> 00:21:30,381 All I had to say in the flm was, yes, sir. 412 00:21:30,455 --> 00:21:31,138 Yes, sir. 413 00:21:31,256 --> 00:21:32,019 Thank you. 414 00:21:32,090 --> 00:21:33,615 Everybody, sir. 415 00:21:33,725 --> 00:21:35,182 "The Sea Change" was an all right flm, 416 00:21:35,260 --> 00:21:36,751 but I had nothing to do in it. 417 00:21:36,862 --> 00:21:37,693 I was very disappointed. 418 00:21:40,766 --> 00:21:43,395 Jack Warner was looking at rushes of the flm, 419 00:21:43,468 --> 00:21:45,585 and a director by the name of William Wellman, 420 00:21:45,704 --> 00:21:49,186 "Wild Bill" Wellman, happened to see a couple of my scenes 421 00:21:49,274 --> 00:21:52,927 and said, I want that kid for my nex picture. 422 00:21:53,045 --> 00:21:54,741 And the nex picture was "Track of the Cat" 423 00:21:54,813 --> 00:21:55,644 with Rober Mitchum. 424 00:21:55,747 --> 00:21:58,569 The place is just crawling with dreams. 425 00:21:58,650 --> 00:22:00,835 Do you have any, kid'? 426 00:22:00,952 --> 00:22:03,046 I go along Mitch very well. 427 00:22:03,121 --> 00:22:05,750 He had great sense of humor and was full of hell. 428 00:22:05,824 --> 00:22:08,419 I really like him a lot. 429 00:22:08,493 --> 00:22:11,577 Well, the frst big flm I did at Warner Brothers 430 00:22:11,663 --> 00:22:15,145 was a flm called "Battle Cry." "Battle Cry" was the biggest 431 00:22:15,267 --> 00:22:18,419 picture Warner's had that year. 432 00:22:18,503 --> 00:22:23,157 They tested me nine times for the role of Danny Forrester. 433 00:22:23,275 --> 00:22:26,473 Sorry, I-- I felt kind of itchy. 434 00:22:26,578 --> 00:22:28,911 I wasn't the only one who tested for that role. 435 00:22:28,980 --> 00:22:29,902 Kiss me. 436 00:22:29,981 --> 00:22:30,664 Can't hear. 437 00:22:32,951 --> 00:22:37,241 Warner's tested Jimmy Dean and Paul Newman for the role. 438 00:22:37,322 --> 00:22:39,780 They still couldn't make up their mind. 439 00:22:39,858 --> 00:22:43,340 So they said, well, we'll give this kid one more test. 440 00:22:43,462 --> 00:22:46,660 The morning I left to go to the test 441 00:22:46,765 --> 00:22:48,051 my mother stopped me at the door, 442 00:22:48,133 --> 00:22:49,385 and she said, think positive. 443 00:22:49,468 --> 00:22:52,256 See yourself in this role. 444 00:22:52,337 --> 00:22:55,990 And she said, if it's meant to be, it will be. 445 00:22:56,108 --> 00:22:58,293 I thought I was so bad in that test I went home 446 00:22:58,377 --> 00:23:00,494 and was ready to kill myself. 447 00:23:00,612 --> 00:23:02,945 And that was the test that got me the role. 448 00:23:03,014 --> 00:23:05,472 Give me a cheeseburger and a cup of coffee. 449 00:23:05,550 --> 00:23:08,031 And, uh, how about a piece that apple pie too. 450 00:23:08,153 --> 00:23:09,769 I just liked the role. 451 00:23:09,855 --> 00:23:11,437 It reminded me of my brother. 452 00:23:11,523 --> 00:23:16,052 He was a very straightforward, decent human being. 453 00:23:16,161 --> 00:23:19,029 Any guy in the world would be lucky to have you for a wife. 454 00:23:19,131 --> 00:23:21,726 The flm was very successful. 455 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:23,587 It was a major hit for Warner Brothers. 456 00:23:23,668 --> 00:23:25,102 ANNOUNCER: "Battle Cry," the Warner 457 00:23:25,170 --> 00:23:29,665 Brothers story of the Marines, having its world premier. 458 00:23:29,741 --> 00:23:32,859 I stared getting so much recognition for doing it 459 00:23:32,978 --> 00:23:35,436 that I was offered the seven-year contract 460 00:23:35,514 --> 00:23:36,948 with Warner Brothers. 461 00:23:37,015 --> 00:23:38,506 I thought, whoa. 462 00:23:38,583 --> 00:23:40,518 Tab Hunter! 463 00:23:40,585 --> 00:23:44,067 And when that came on, it was like you struck a match, 464 00:23:44,189 --> 00:23:45,350 and off it went. 465 00:23:45,424 --> 00:23:47,882 ANNOUNCER: Hollywood pays tribute to bright, new stars 466 00:23:47,993 --> 00:23:48,790 of tomorrow. 467 00:23:48,860 --> 00:23:52,058 Awards go to blue-eyed and blond Tab Hunter. 468 00:23:52,164 --> 00:23:56,966 They translated everhing into box offce receipts. 469 00:23:57,035 --> 00:24:01,325 Jack Warner saw box-offce gold in Tab. 470 00:24:01,406 --> 00:24:03,432 Once I was under contract to them, 471 00:24:03,542 --> 00:24:05,875 all this publicity came out on me, 472 00:24:05,944 --> 00:24:08,425 and the publicity exceeded the product. 473 00:24:08,547 --> 00:24:10,812 ANNOUNCER: Actor Tab Hunter signs autographs 474 00:24:10,882 --> 00:24:13,511 in the time-honored way. 475 00:24:13,585 --> 00:24:16,453 They were selling the All-American boy. 476 00:24:16,555 --> 00:24:18,524 Take him home to mother. 477 00:24:18,590 --> 00:24:20,411 It was a nice wholesome image. 478 00:24:20,525 --> 00:24:21,709 How do you feel about dancing tonight? 479 00:24:21,793 --> 00:24:22,476 Are you ready'? 480 00:24:22,594 --> 00:24:24,688 A little awkward, but I guess I'm ready. 481 00:24:24,763 --> 00:24:27,756 He was everhere. 482 00:24:27,866 --> 00:24:30,290 We were being bombarded with Tab's presence. 483 00:24:30,368 --> 00:24:35,500 And I was delighted because he was so exciting to be watching. 484 00:24:35,574 --> 00:24:38,658 ANNOUNCER: America's favorite sweethears, 485 00:24:38,743 --> 00:24:41,201 Tab Hunter and Natalie Wood. 486 00:24:41,279 --> 00:24:42,611 Natalie Wood was the sweetest little thing 487 00:24:42,714 --> 00:24:43,807 that ever came down the road. 488 00:24:43,882 --> 00:24:44,565 I loved her. 489 00:24:44,649 --> 00:24:45,810 She was like my kid sister. 490 00:24:45,917 --> 00:24:49,035 You really got it made, haven't you? 491 00:24:49,120 --> 00:24:50,486 TAB HUNTER: She had been a very successful 492 00:24:50,589 --> 00:24:52,774 in "Rebel Without a Cause" with Jimmy Dean, 493 00:24:52,891 --> 00:24:57,181 and I had been successful in "Battle Cry." 494 00:24:57,262 --> 00:24:59,026 Warner Brothers put us together. 495 00:24:59,097 --> 00:25:02,750 They wanted to make us into the new "dream team." 496 00:25:02,834 --> 00:25:04,598 We went along with it, of course. 497 00:25:04,669 --> 00:25:07,787 ANNOUNCER: Tab Hunter, Natalie Wood. 498 00:25:07,906 --> 00:25:09,192 And they had a great time together. 499 00:25:09,274 --> 00:25:10,071 She adored him. 500 00:25:10,141 --> 00:25:13,498 I never met a gal with such spunk. 501 00:25:13,612 --> 00:25:16,764 ROBERT WAGNER: He was on fre, and she was on fre. 502 00:25:16,848 --> 00:25:17,941 They traveled a lot together. 503 00:25:18,016 --> 00:25:20,838 They went on tours together. 504 00:25:20,952 --> 00:25:22,443 TAB HUNTER: Oh, my gosh, there were thousands 505 00:25:22,521 --> 00:25:23,318 and thousands of kids. 506 00:25:27,158 --> 00:25:29,013 He looked like he loved being a movie star, 507 00:25:29,127 --> 00:25:30,379 and he was a good one. 508 00:25:30,462 --> 00:25:32,647 ANNOUNCER: Warner Brothers stars Natalie Wood and tab Hunter 509 00:25:32,764 --> 00:25:36,690 plant a Christmas parade for the annual Toys for Tots campaign. 510 00:25:36,768 --> 00:25:39,101 But I knew Tab frst from his music. 511 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:43,702 TAB HUNTER: The recording career came 512 00:25:43,808 --> 00:25:48,007 about when Randy Wood of Dot Records said, 513 00:25:48,113 --> 00:25:50,264 how would you like to record? 514 00:25:50,348 --> 00:25:53,671 I said, I'd love it. 515 00:25:53,785 --> 00:25:55,811 Randy had me come over there. 516 00:25:55,887 --> 00:25:58,709 I cut the record. 517 00:25:58,823 --> 00:26:01,418 Randy yelled out, that's it. 518 00:26:01,493 --> 00:26:02,950 It's gonna be a hit. 519 00:26:08,366 --> 00:26:10,847 (SINGING)--for every boy and girl there's just 520 00:26:10,969 --> 00:26:14,599 one love in this whole world, and I-hi 521 00:26:14,673 --> 00:26:19,532 kno-ho I-hi-I found mine. 522 00:26:20,645 --> 00:26:22,762 It became the number one song in the nation. 523 00:26:22,847 --> 00:26:23,769 (SINGING) Young love. 524 00:26:23,848 --> 00:26:24,770 Young love. 525 00:26:24,849 --> 00:26:25,771 First love. 526 00:26:25,850 --> 00:26:27,785 First love. 527 00:26:27,852 --> 00:26:30,788 When "Young Love" hit number one on the pop chars, 528 00:26:30,855 --> 00:26:33,518 it knocked Elvis out of number one 529 00:26:33,592 --> 00:26:36,562 and stays for a month and a half at the top 530 00:26:36,661 --> 00:26:39,597 of the national chars. 531 00:26:39,664 --> 00:26:42,748 Jack Warner blew his stack. 532 00:26:42,834 --> 00:26:46,521 He said, we own you for everhing. 533 00:26:46,605 --> 00:26:48,756 He had totally prohibited me from recording 534 00:26:48,873 --> 00:26:51,024 for Dot any longer. 535 00:26:51,109 --> 00:26:54,432 And I said, but Mr. Warner, you don't have a recording company. 536 00:26:54,546 --> 00:26:55,798 And he said, well, we do now. 537 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,065 And, they stared Warner Brothers Records for me. 538 00:26:58,183 --> 00:27:04,646 [MUSIC- TAB HUNTER, "NINETY NINE WAYS"] 539 00:27:07,192 --> 00:27:11,323 Tab had a real genuine reporing career. 540 00:27:11,396 --> 00:27:13,763 He was not a one-hit wonder. 541 00:27:13,865 --> 00:27:16,562 He released dozens of singles and albums. 542 00:27:16,635 --> 00:27:20,629 It was phenomenal, and it was noticed by everyone. 543 00:27:20,739 --> 00:27:27,532 (SINGING) What a wonderful wedding there will be. 544 00:27:27,612 --> 00:27:34,974 What wonderful day for you and me. 545 00:27:35,086 --> 00:27:38,022 He came along at a very brilliant time. 546 00:27:38,089 --> 00:27:41,059 It was the beginning of the teenage revolution in America. 547 00:27:43,995 --> 00:27:47,352 He had a million and one crushes from the largest group 548 00:27:47,465 --> 00:27:50,253 of teenagers that has ever lived in the United 549 00:27:50,335 --> 00:27:52,315 States, the baby boomers. 550 00:27:54,673 --> 00:27:58,474 They were the ones who would make a career overnight, 551 00:27:58,576 --> 00:28:00,397 and they cerainly did with mine. 552 00:28:00,478 --> 00:28:01,241 I can't help it. 553 00:28:01,312 --> 00:28:03,907 I've got a very bad case of Tab Hunter-itis. 554 00:28:03,982 --> 00:28:06,247 I know just how you feel. 555 00:28:06,317 --> 00:28:08,832 I had Tab's pictures on my wall. 556 00:28:08,953 --> 00:28:11,286 We all did. 557 00:28:11,356 --> 00:28:14,952 My wall was covered with pictures of Tab Hunter. 558 00:28:15,026 --> 00:28:19,225 Young girls just were crazy about him. 559 00:28:23,201 --> 00:28:27,195 The minute they took a look he became their guy, 560 00:28:27,305 --> 00:28:30,298 and he was marketed to those people. 561 00:28:30,375 --> 00:28:32,469 It was the movie magazines that really 562 00:28:32,544 --> 00:28:36,993 made him a huge star, more than the flms that he was making. 563 00:28:37,115 --> 00:28:39,482 TAB HUNTER: The kids kept demanding all of it, 564 00:28:39,551 --> 00:28:43,352 so I would get things like "Tab Hunter Buys a Hat," "Tab Hunter 565 00:28:43,455 --> 00:28:47,745 Drives a Car," "Tab Hunter Cleans a Window," 566 00:28:47,826 --> 00:28:52,446 "Tab Hunter Goes to the Beach-J' wee! (LAUGHING) 567 00:28:52,530 --> 00:28:56,285 One of the magazines had a contest, 568 00:28:56,367 --> 00:29:01,351 and I won a date in Hollywood with Tab Hunter in 1956. 569 00:29:06,578 --> 00:29:07,830 Was I nervous? 570 00:29:07,912 --> 00:29:10,245 I could hardly breathe. 571 00:29:10,348 --> 00:29:15,275 When I frst saw Tab Hunter, I was very intimidated. 572 00:29:15,353 --> 00:29:22,226 And he smiled, and that smile was just truly magical. 573 00:29:22,327 --> 00:29:24,990 Tab Hunter was the hearthrob that I had 574 00:29:25,063 --> 00:29:28,363 seen in the movie magazines. 575 00:29:28,433 --> 00:29:33,053 And we had dinner and dancing. 576 00:29:33,171 --> 00:29:35,686 I could not believe, Jo-Ann, here you 577 00:29:35,774 --> 00:29:37,231 are dancing with Tab Hunter. 578 00:29:40,044 --> 00:29:45,028 My date was over, and he gave me a kiss. 579 00:29:45,116 --> 00:29:47,938 I felt like Cinderella, and I had 580 00:29:48,052 --> 00:29:50,749 a kiss from my Prince Charming. 581 00:29:50,855 --> 00:29:53,643 It was a dream-come-true. 582 00:29:53,725 --> 00:29:57,856 In the 1950s love and marriage was the ideal theme. 583 00:29:57,929 --> 00:30:01,229 It's not always very real. 584 00:30:01,299 --> 00:30:05,100 The studios had a system. 585 00:30:05,203 --> 00:30:10,972 And they always wanted their starlets to go out on a date 586 00:30:11,042 --> 00:30:13,637 with a beautiful, handsome boy. 587 00:30:13,711 --> 00:30:17,796 And the one they chose was Tab Hunter. 588 00:30:17,882 --> 00:30:21,398 He was a guy that all the girls wanted to go out with. 589 00:30:21,486 --> 00:30:23,250 Of course I wanted to meet Tab Hunter because he was 590 00:30:23,321 --> 00:30:26,519 the big young male star at Warner Brothers, 591 00:30:26,624 --> 00:30:30,049 and I was the big female star at Columbia Pictures. 592 00:30:30,128 --> 00:30:33,212 And so we had to date. 593 00:30:33,298 --> 00:30:34,994 He was a gentleman. 594 00:30:35,099 --> 00:30:37,853 He always came around and opened the doors. 595 00:30:37,936 --> 00:30:39,518 He picked up checks. 596 00:30:39,604 --> 00:30:41,937 And my parents liked him. 597 00:30:42,006 --> 00:30:42,689 It was fun. 598 00:30:42,807 --> 00:30:45,265 We did all sors of things. 599 00:30:45,343 --> 00:30:49,030 We did all the things that normal people do on dates. 600 00:30:49,147 --> 00:30:53,437 But we had a third person who was a photographer with us. 601 00:30:53,518 --> 00:30:58,013 He was the kind of boy every mother would want to have 602 00:30:58,122 --> 00:31:00,751 married into her family. 603 00:31:00,825 --> 00:31:02,521 He had an honesty. 604 00:31:02,627 --> 00:31:04,926 He had a simplicity. 605 00:31:04,996 --> 00:31:08,683 He a cerain strength of character. 606 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,952 He would not let anybody down. 607 00:31:12,036 --> 00:31:15,905 We got along great because he was always fun and sweet. 608 00:31:16,007 --> 00:31:21,264 And he wasn't after me, so he wasn't on the make. 609 00:31:21,346 --> 00:31:24,134 And women like that. 610 00:31:24,215 --> 00:31:28,710 I really was a very naive, young, innocent girl, 611 00:31:28,820 --> 00:31:32,905 and I would never think that the most handsome boy would be gay. 612 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,142 TAB HUNTER: I would never discuss 613 00:31:37,228 --> 00:31:38,810 my private life with anyone. 614 00:31:41,733 --> 00:31:44,885 I was able to get close to them, but I never really went 615 00:31:45,003 --> 00:31:46,619 that deep in the relationship. 616 00:31:49,807 --> 00:31:54,825 I had the ability to live behind this wall. 617 00:31:57,749 --> 00:32:01,345 And you only allow people to break the barrier 618 00:32:01,419 --> 00:32:02,944 if you feel you can confde in them 619 00:32:03,054 --> 00:32:05,990 and you want to have that friendship. 620 00:32:06,057 --> 00:32:08,925 INTERVlEWER: What was your frst relationship with another guy? 621 00:32:09,027 --> 00:32:11,053 Pfoof. 622 00:32:11,162 --> 00:32:14,678 (LAUGHING) The frst relationship I had 623 00:32:14,766 --> 00:32:19,204 was when I was ice skating with a fellow skater. 624 00:32:19,270 --> 00:32:21,535 INTERVlEWER: Can you tell me about that? 625 00:32:21,606 --> 00:32:23,097 What do you want to know'? 626 00:32:23,207 --> 00:32:32,004 (LAUGHING) I always loved fgure skating. 627 00:32:32,117 --> 00:32:38,068 I competed in the regionals, and I went to the nationals. 628 00:32:38,190 --> 00:32:42,480 I enjoyed just being on the ice. 629 00:32:42,561 --> 00:32:48,353 He was a very good skater and a very strong competitor as well. 630 00:32:48,434 --> 00:32:51,950 A lot of his friends were ice skaters- champion ice 631 00:32:52,071 --> 00:32:53,653 skaters with the Ice Capades. 632 00:32:53,739 --> 00:32:55,674 Mouseketeers, meet Ronnie Roberson. 633 00:32:55,741 --> 00:32:56,504 Hi, Ronnie! 634 00:32:56,575 --> 00:32:57,258 Hi, Mouseketeers. 635 00:32:57,376 --> 00:33:00,642 Hi, Bob. 636 00:33:00,713 --> 00:33:04,673 Ronnie Roberson was known as a great technician. 637 00:33:04,750 --> 00:33:09,438 His skating was different than anybody else's skating. 638 00:33:09,555 --> 00:33:12,070 And he could spin faster than anybody in the world. 639 00:33:12,157 --> 00:33:14,012 Nobody ever spun that well. 640 00:33:14,126 --> 00:33:15,617 He was a major talent. 641 00:33:18,430 --> 00:33:21,582 We had an attraction for one another. 642 00:33:21,667 --> 00:33:26,105 And I drove him home one evening after a skiing session. 643 00:33:26,171 --> 00:33:28,652 Nex thing, we were in a relationship. 644 00:33:32,644 --> 00:33:34,306 I'm sure there was talk about Ronnie 645 00:33:34,413 --> 00:33:38,043 and myself in the skating world, paricularly 646 00:33:38,117 --> 00:33:40,382 if you've got a talent and people are jealous of it. 647 00:33:43,322 --> 00:33:47,316 There were times when I was cerainly stressed hearing 648 00:33:47,426 --> 00:33:50,021 things that had been said. 649 00:33:50,095 --> 00:33:57,696 But you learn when you're in the public eye to comparmentalize. 650 00:33:57,770 --> 00:34:00,251 A big issue as that Tab was around. 651 00:34:00,339 --> 00:34:04,538 And the political game at that time is you don't do that. 652 00:34:04,643 --> 00:34:07,511 There was one skater that didn't like the fact 653 00:34:07,613 --> 00:34:10,367 that Ronnie and I were friends and took a skate blade 654 00:34:10,449 --> 00:34:11,542 to my new car and just went right 655 00:34:11,617 --> 00:34:13,586 down the side, (SCRATCHING SOUND) to the paint. 656 00:34:16,488 --> 00:34:21,256 Tab came to the championships with Ronnie Roberson. 657 00:34:21,326 --> 00:34:23,113 Ronnie was told that he would not 658 00:34:23,195 --> 00:34:28,179 win the championships unless Tab would not come along. 659 00:34:28,300 --> 00:34:31,236 And Ronnie said, it didn't matter. 660 00:34:31,303 --> 00:34:33,454 He wanted him there. 661 00:34:33,539 --> 00:34:36,691 And Ronnie skated- oh, magnifcent performance. 662 00:34:42,347 --> 00:34:44,373 The fact that I was there with Ronnie 663 00:34:44,483 --> 00:34:52,175 might have hur his ability to win, and he should have won. 664 00:34:57,896 --> 00:35:02,846 My mother never really approved of the Hollywood stuff. 665 00:35:02,935 --> 00:35:06,417 Being private was very imporant to her. 666 00:35:06,538 --> 00:35:09,838 She only visited me on a set twice in all of the years 667 00:35:09,908 --> 00:35:12,901 I was in the business. 668 00:35:13,011 --> 00:35:15,105 She did one interview for a magazine, 669 00:35:15,180 --> 00:35:18,264 but it was like pulling teeth to get her to do that. 670 00:35:18,350 --> 00:35:19,966 People would say, oh, Mrs. Gelien, 671 00:35:20,052 --> 00:35:21,987 aren't you excited about Tab'? 672 00:35:22,054 --> 00:35:23,818 And my mother would say, yes, it's nice, 673 00:35:23,889 --> 00:35:27,815 but Walter's the intelligent one. 674 00:35:27,893 --> 00:35:31,250 My mother was always a very intense woman. 675 00:35:31,363 --> 00:35:34,060 She had a lot of pressure in her life. 676 00:35:34,133 --> 00:35:37,160 She was very high strung. 677 00:35:37,269 --> 00:35:38,430 While I was doing "Battle Cry" I was 678 00:35:38,537 --> 00:35:41,962 in touch with my mother a lot. 679 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,636 And I noticed a change in her behavior. 680 00:35:45,711 --> 00:35:49,341 She would fy off the handle rather quickly. 681 00:35:49,414 --> 00:35:51,747 She was ranting on behind a closed 682 00:35:51,817 --> 00:35:54,685 door in the bathroom in German. 683 00:35:54,786 --> 00:36:01,056 And she ran out into the street and collapsed in my arms. 684 00:36:01,126 --> 00:36:05,575 It just got more out of control and more out of control. 685 00:36:05,664 --> 00:36:13,686 My mother totally lost it, and I had to commit my mother 686 00:36:13,805 --> 00:36:14,568 to a mental institution. 687 00:36:18,810 --> 00:36:20,779 And it was very diffcult to do. 688 00:36:24,516 --> 00:36:26,883 And on the way there I said, Mom, please try 689 00:36:26,985 --> 00:36:27,964 to understand what I'm saying. 690 00:36:28,086 --> 00:36:30,601 I really feel bad about this. 691 00:36:30,689 --> 00:36:32,840 And she said, I know. 692 00:36:32,958 --> 00:36:35,655 I know. 693 00:36:35,761 --> 00:36:38,754 I had to commit my mother. 694 00:36:38,830 --> 00:36:40,924 I mean, there was nothing else that I 695 00:36:40,999 --> 00:36:43,969 could think should be done. 696 00:36:49,341 --> 00:36:54,029 She had to have 37 electroshock treatments. 697 00:36:54,146 --> 00:36:57,628 I went down there to see her, of course. 698 00:36:57,716 --> 00:37:01,551 I remember walking in, and she was lying in bed, 699 00:37:01,653 --> 00:37:05,135 and they shaved her head where she had all the treatments. 700 00:37:05,224 --> 00:37:12,313 And as I walked in she said, why did you do this to me'? 701 00:37:15,033 --> 00:37:19,801 She was very fragile when I went to see her, but she was better. 702 00:37:19,871 --> 00:37:23,888 When I saw my mother, as helpless as she was, 703 00:37:24,009 --> 00:37:25,625 I swore that she would never have to work 704 00:37:25,711 --> 00:37:26,690 another day in her life. 705 00:37:29,548 --> 00:37:31,369 Hello, I'm Tab Hunter. 706 00:37:31,483 --> 00:37:33,145 Did you know that mental illness claims more 707 00:37:33,218 --> 00:37:35,551 victims than any other disease? 708 00:37:35,654 --> 00:37:36,485 That's right. 709 00:37:36,555 --> 00:37:39,491 One American in every 10 is suffering from some disabling 710 00:37:39,558 --> 00:37:40,685 mental or emotional disorder. 711 00:37:43,595 --> 00:37:49,580 In the 1950s being gay was absolutely not acceptable. 712 00:37:49,701 --> 00:37:52,489 It was against the law. 713 00:37:52,571 --> 00:37:56,588 It was considered a mental disease. 714 00:37:56,708 --> 00:38:01,203 There were very devastating consequences. 715 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,796 You couldn't have a life being gay back 716 00:38:04,916 --> 00:38:11,402 in the '50s Tab would be foolish not to hide, 717 00:38:11,523 --> 00:38:14,220 or he would not have a career. 718 00:38:14,293 --> 00:38:15,818 What do you think of your dinner date here, Tab? 719 00:38:15,927 --> 00:38:17,088 She's very lovely, I must say. 720 00:38:17,195 --> 00:38:17,878 ANNOUNCER: Isn't She? 721 00:38:17,963 --> 00:38:18,646 Oh. 722 00:38:18,764 --> 00:38:21,734 The public saw me as one person, and I was another. 723 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,224 I didn't feel good about myself. 724 00:38:24,303 --> 00:38:28,502 Hollywood's most eligible bachelor, Mr. Tab Hunter! 725 00:38:30,475 --> 00:38:33,991 TAB HUNTER: I never felt that I deserve a lot of that stuff 726 00:38:34,112 --> 00:38:36,536 that was happening. 727 00:38:36,615 --> 00:38:39,699 You were rewarded for pretending that you 728 00:38:39,785 --> 00:38:40,946 were someone you're not. 729 00:38:46,425 --> 00:38:52,763 Henry Wilson was a good agent, but people outgrow one another. 730 00:38:52,831 --> 00:38:55,494 Then Dick Clayton became an agent. 731 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,287 I signed with him immediately because I could trust him, 732 00:38:59,404 --> 00:39:00,235 and he was family. 733 00:39:02,908 --> 00:39:05,935 I told Henry I was leaving him. 734 00:39:06,011 --> 00:39:07,991 He was furious. 735 00:39:08,113 --> 00:39:11,595 Henry was very, very upset. 736 00:39:11,683 --> 00:39:13,174 In fact, because of that, I'm sure it's 737 00:39:13,285 --> 00:39:16,881 why he turned over that story to "Confdential" magazine on me. 738 00:39:19,791 --> 00:39:24,445 In the 1950s the magazine that you had to be most concerned 739 00:39:24,529 --> 00:39:26,384 about was "Confdential." 740 00:39:26,498 --> 00:39:29,013 Oh, "Confdential" was the talk of Hollywood 741 00:39:29,134 --> 00:39:30,568 because everyone was afraid that if there 742 00:39:30,635 --> 00:39:32,661 was a skeleton in the closet, it would be released. 743 00:39:32,771 --> 00:39:34,797 God knows I love you. 744 00:39:34,873 --> 00:39:37,024 But I won't let Ned nor Kay or anyone else 745 00:39:37,142 --> 00:39:39,964 run our lives, Cary. 746 00:39:40,045 --> 00:39:43,163 "Confdential" magazine, they had 747 00:39:43,281 --> 00:39:45,648 some information on Rock that was 748 00:39:45,717 --> 00:39:48,198 very damaging to his career. 749 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,290 And they were going to print it. 750 00:39:51,356 --> 00:39:56,283 Rock Hudson was the biggest star that Henry Wilson ever had. 751 00:39:56,361 --> 00:39:59,718 He built Rock, and that was his meal ticket. 752 00:39:59,831 --> 00:40:00,810 He was gonna protect that. 753 00:40:03,402 --> 00:40:06,668 To save Rock, Henry gave "Confdential" 754 00:40:06,738 --> 00:40:10,163 the story about me when I'd been arrested when I was just 755 00:40:10,242 --> 00:40:13,599 staring out in the business. 756 00:40:13,712 --> 00:40:15,692 Inside the magazine the aricle read, 757 00:40:15,814 --> 00:40:21,276 "Tab Hunter caught at a limp-wristed pajama pary." 758 00:40:21,353 --> 00:40:24,983 I would say I was thrown under the bus. 759 00:40:25,056 --> 00:40:27,514 When the magazine came out, I was 760 00:40:27,592 --> 00:40:30,050 sure that my career was over. 761 00:40:30,162 --> 00:40:32,791 I took Natalie to the Academy Awards. 762 00:40:32,864 --> 00:40:34,116 That was about the time-- a little 763 00:40:34,199 --> 00:40:36,566 after the "Confdential" had come out. 764 00:40:36,668 --> 00:40:39,695 The press of the world was there photographing us. 765 00:40:39,771 --> 00:40:43,640 And one guy yelled out, smile pretty this way, Tab. 766 00:40:43,742 --> 00:40:48,191 This is for the nex issue of "Confdential" magazine. 767 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,215 Jack Warner, god bless him, he turned 768 00:40:50,282 --> 00:40:53,969 me right back to the cameras and said, just remember this. 769 00:40:54,085 --> 00:40:57,533 Today's headlines, tomorrow's toilet paper. 770 00:40:57,622 --> 00:40:58,601 Everybody was nervous. 771 00:40:58,723 --> 00:41:02,239 But in those days they could cover those things up. 772 00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,990 So if you are a money maker for a studio, 773 00:41:06,064 --> 00:41:08,488 they are going to protect that image 774 00:41:08,567 --> 00:41:11,833 like there is no tomorrow. 775 00:41:11,903 --> 00:41:16,830 The press knew just about everhing, 776 00:41:16,908 --> 00:41:19,605 and they kept it to themselves when it was to their advantage 777 00:41:19,711 --> 00:41:22,647 and to the advantage of the studios. 778 00:41:22,714 --> 00:41:28,335 It was a gentleman's agreement-- just keep it out of the press 779 00:41:28,420 --> 00:41:30,901 and don't make waves. 780 00:41:30,989 --> 00:41:32,776 Jack Warner and I never discussed 781 00:41:32,891 --> 00:41:36,521 my sexuality whatsoever. 782 00:41:36,595 --> 00:41:39,565 I was making a lot of money for them. 783 00:41:39,631 --> 00:41:43,284 As long as I didn't destroy this image that they were creating, 784 00:41:43,401 --> 00:41:44,926 that was imporant to them. 785 00:41:47,572 --> 00:41:50,770 They created this persona. 786 00:41:50,842 --> 00:41:54,643 That was your job to be that persona. 787 00:41:54,746 --> 00:41:57,113 You played the game, so to speak, 788 00:41:57,182 --> 00:41:59,663 if that's what they want. 789 00:41:59,784 --> 00:42:02,572 I did sign a contract, and I was willing to do 790 00:42:02,654 --> 00:42:06,819 whatever they wanted me to do to fulfll that contract. 791 00:42:06,925 --> 00:42:08,905 Don't you ever think about marriage? 792 00:42:08,994 --> 00:42:10,815 All the time, Ernie. 793 00:42:10,929 --> 00:42:12,591 That's what keeps me single. 794 00:42:13,999 --> 00:42:16,480 I thought of marriage a number of times 795 00:42:16,601 --> 00:42:20,436 because it's expected of you. 796 00:42:20,505 --> 00:42:22,929 When I did the flm "Lafayette Escadrille," 797 00:42:23,008 --> 00:42:25,705 that's when I frst met Etchika Choureau. 798 00:42:25,810 --> 00:42:27,267 She stopped me dead in my tracks. 799 00:42:27,345 --> 00:42:30,497 She was gorgeous. 800 00:42:30,615 --> 00:42:32,595 And we hit it off immediately. 801 00:42:32,684 --> 00:42:34,448 She didn't speak a word of English. 802 00:42:34,519 --> 00:42:37,205 My French was just awful. 803 00:42:37,222 --> 00:42:39,043 I can't remember what we talked about because 804 00:42:39,157 --> 00:42:40,853 he did not speak one word of French 805 00:42:40,959 --> 00:42:42,814 and I only spoke three words of English. 806 00:42:43,895 --> 00:42:47,218 I don't know how we communicated... undoubtedly with our eyes. 807 00:42:48,533 --> 00:42:51,890 But in any case, we got on like a house on fre. 808 00:42:53,171 --> 00:42:55,140 And he was irresistible. 809 00:42:56,207 --> 00:42:59,564 I usually can think of a lot of things to say. 810 00:42:59,678 --> 00:43:03,274 Suddenly I can't say anything. 811 00:43:03,348 --> 00:43:05,806 We had wonderful times together, 812 00:43:05,884 --> 00:43:09,082 and I was drawn closer and closer to her. 813 00:43:09,654 --> 00:43:13,853 Yes, I had heard that Tab was homosexual. 814 00:43:15,493 --> 00:43:22,855 I think it was a soul-searching period of time about his sexuality. 815 00:43:24,102 --> 00:43:26,731 It must have been very painful for him. 816 00:43:27,539 --> 00:43:34,537 You know, actors often...always... have two faces. 817 00:43:37,916 --> 00:43:41,364 I did feel discomfor, and I did feel a little bit of guilt 818 00:43:41,453 --> 00:43:42,910 also. 819 00:43:43,021 --> 00:43:45,843 But I did seriously think of marrying Etchika. 820 00:43:47,959 --> 00:43:50,440 I was fattered to have been chosen, of course. 821 00:43:51,529 --> 00:43:53,316 If I was to marry Tab, 822 00:43:53,398 --> 00:43:54,582 it would have been for love. 823 00:43:55,266 --> 00:43:56,928 I would inevitably have never 824 00:43:57,035 --> 00:43:59,129 accepted to share him with someone else. 825 00:44:00,705 --> 00:44:02,890 And I cerainly would not have married him 826 00:44:02,974 --> 00:44:05,967 to protect him and hide his homosexuality. 827 00:44:07,879 --> 00:44:10,178 I think Tab was too good of a man. 828 00:44:11,583 --> 00:44:13,882 He would have never accepted such a thing. 829 00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:19,280 It would have been a lovely story if it could have been rewritten. 830 00:44:22,460 --> 00:44:24,975 She went back to Paris. 831 00:44:25,096 --> 00:44:28,089 I just couldn't commit to her. 832 00:44:28,166 --> 00:44:32,820 It wouldn't have been right to be with Etchika. 833 00:44:32,937 --> 00:44:37,591 I felt that if you were with a man, you were sinning. 834 00:44:37,676 --> 00:44:40,760 And if you were with a woman, you'd be lying. 835 00:44:47,419 --> 00:44:52,369 Tony and I met at the pool of the Chateau Marmont. 836 00:44:52,457 --> 00:44:56,542 He was in California doing "Friendly Persuasion." 837 00:44:56,628 --> 00:44:58,608 I don't want to die. 838 00:44:58,697 --> 00:45:01,849 I don't know if I could kill anyone if I tried. 839 00:45:01,966 --> 00:45:03,093 He was a good actor. 840 00:45:03,168 --> 00:45:04,932 ANNOUNCER: What is there about Tony Perkins that 841 00:45:05,003 --> 00:45:07,029 made the young people of America acclaim him 842 00:45:07,138 --> 00:45:09,403 as their star of the future? 843 00:45:09,474 --> 00:45:11,591 I'd been in the business longer, 844 00:45:11,676 --> 00:45:15,761 but I respected the fact that he'd done Broadway plays. 845 00:45:15,847 --> 00:45:18,510 I thought he was very intelligent, 846 00:45:18,616 --> 00:45:21,609 and he was just fun to be with. 847 00:45:21,686 --> 00:45:23,780 We just kind of hit it off. 848 00:45:23,855 --> 00:45:25,289 [MUSIC- ANTHONY PERKINS, "MOONLIGHT SWIM"] 849 00:45:29,194 --> 00:45:32,278 And I went up to his room with him. 850 00:45:32,363 --> 00:45:37,222 That's when Tony and I got together for the frst time. 851 00:45:37,335 --> 00:45:40,453 And that's when we stared seeing each other. 852 00:45:40,538 --> 00:45:43,167 When I frst saw Tab and Tony I knew that they 853 00:45:43,241 --> 00:45:45,540 were more than friends. 854 00:45:45,643 --> 00:45:47,077 It was pretty obvious. 855 00:45:49,981 --> 00:45:53,008 I had a wonderful relationship with him. 856 00:45:53,084 --> 00:45:55,201 I did trust him. 857 00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,142 I was comforable with him. 858 00:45:58,223 --> 00:46:01,091 Tony and Tab were totally different. 859 00:46:01,192 --> 00:46:02,353 Tony was East Coast. 860 00:46:02,427 --> 00:46:05,090 Tab was West Coast. 861 00:46:05,196 --> 00:46:08,496 Tab was very macho. 862 00:46:08,566 --> 00:46:13,254 Tony was very sensitive, introvered. 863 00:46:13,371 --> 00:46:15,829 Well, I would see him quite a lot. 864 00:46:15,907 --> 00:46:19,173 And he would stay to my place, lived there for a while, 865 00:46:19,244 --> 00:46:21,759 got an aparment around the corner. 866 00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:22,973 And then I would go back East. 867 00:46:23,047 --> 00:46:25,869 I'd say with Tony at his place. 868 00:46:25,950 --> 00:46:28,374 I knew that he was very dedicated to being 869 00:46:28,453 --> 00:46:29,978 an actor in Hollywood. 870 00:46:30,088 --> 00:46:32,068 And the most promising male star of tomorrow 871 00:46:32,190 --> 00:46:36,628 is the fne young actor, Tony Perkins. 872 00:46:36,694 --> 00:46:39,630 TAB HUNTER: Tony was very concerned about his image 873 00:46:39,697 --> 00:46:41,791 and doing the right thing. 874 00:46:41,866 --> 00:46:45,792 They would go to a lot of pains not to be seen together. 875 00:46:45,870 --> 00:46:48,055 TAB HUNTER: At frst, when Tony and I used to go out, 876 00:46:48,139 --> 00:46:50,119 we would go out together. 877 00:46:50,241 --> 00:46:52,028 But he would get recognized. 878 00:46:52,110 --> 00:46:54,045 I would get recognized. 879 00:46:54,112 --> 00:46:55,273 He felt very uncomforable. 880 00:46:55,380 --> 00:46:58,805 I always did too because the idea of two young actors 881 00:46:58,883 --> 00:47:01,398 around together might star some talk. 882 00:47:01,486 --> 00:47:02,465 (SINGING) Yes, I'm in love. 883 00:47:05,323 --> 00:47:07,349 Don't tell a soul. 884 00:47:07,458 --> 00:47:08,471 TAB HUNTER (SPEAKING): Natalie Wood 885 00:47:08,593 --> 00:47:09,754 and I would go to a premiere. 886 00:47:09,828 --> 00:47:10,955 Then we'd go to Ciro's afterwards. 887 00:47:11,062 --> 00:47:13,395 We'd be photographed dancing. 888 00:47:13,464 --> 00:47:15,763 Then we would leave, and she'd go out the back door. 889 00:47:15,834 --> 00:47:18,099 She'd have a date with Dennis Hopper. 890 00:47:18,169 --> 00:47:19,455 And I'd go see Tony. 891 00:47:19,571 --> 00:47:24,168 (SINGING) Shh, don't let it get around. 892 00:47:24,242 --> 00:47:29,169 (SPEAKING) Tony and I did go on couple dates together: 893 00:47:29,247 --> 00:47:32,069 Tab and Tony and I went out together. 894 00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:34,745 I suppose I was a beard. 895 00:47:34,819 --> 00:47:36,913 But I was happy to be a beard because we 896 00:47:36,988 --> 00:47:40,288 were having a good / I knew the game, and we were playing it. 897 00:47:43,161 --> 00:47:46,916 In the fan magazines there would being a picture of Tab and I. 898 00:47:46,998 --> 00:47:49,331 And then in the nex page there'd be a picture of Tony 899 00:47:49,434 --> 00:47:53,087 and I doing something else, but never just Tab and Tony. 900 00:47:53,171 --> 00:47:55,151 (SINGING) Shh, don't let it get around. 901 00:48:06,217 --> 00:48:09,904 I did feel that Tab and Tony had a real relationship. 902 00:48:10,021 --> 00:48:12,502 I could see them together: 903 00:48:12,624 --> 00:48:14,650 But it was a painful relationship, 904 00:48:14,726 --> 00:48:15,648 at least for Tony. 905 00:48:19,731 --> 00:48:24,180 Tony was more in love with Tab than Tab was with him. 906 00:48:24,302 --> 00:48:27,238 Whenever Tab and Tony got into a fght, 907 00:48:27,305 --> 00:48:30,457 Tony would come to my house and cry 908 00:48:30,541 --> 00:48:33,966 on my shoulder about how mean Tab was. 909 00:48:34,045 --> 00:48:38,039 My relationship with Tony, I never discussed with anyone. 910 00:48:38,149 --> 00:48:40,300 And if one of my so-called friends or my friends 911 00:48:40,385 --> 00:48:44,743 would mention it, I probably would have gone berserk. 912 00:48:44,856 --> 00:48:46,438 I would have hated it and denied it 913 00:48:46,524 --> 00:48:48,891 emphatically-- (EXPLOSION SOUND) where I 914 00:48:48,993 --> 00:48:51,019 could blow it up very quickly. 915 00:48:51,095 --> 00:48:53,121 Tony, as the audience ovation indicates, 916 00:48:53,231 --> 00:48:55,598 your career is cerainly going full steam ahead. 917 00:48:55,700 --> 00:48:59,501 Tony was on his way to being a pretty big star. 918 00:48:59,570 --> 00:49:04,019 Tony's career was most imporant to him, more than anything. 919 00:49:04,108 --> 00:49:06,043 He could be exremely charming. 920 00:49:06,110 --> 00:49:08,443 But I think he had a hidden agenda, as far 921 00:49:08,546 --> 00:49:11,846 as his career was concerned. 922 00:49:11,916 --> 00:49:17,685 You never really knew Tony 100%. 923 00:49:17,755 --> 00:49:20,543 There was always a secretive side, 924 00:49:20,625 --> 00:49:24,824 and he was a bit of a game player with people's minds. 925 00:49:24,929 --> 00:49:25,885 Can't you see it's a brush-of 926 00:49:25,964 --> 00:49:27,091 They're trying me out at a position. 927 00:49:27,198 --> 00:49:28,484 They know I can't play it! 928 00:49:28,566 --> 00:49:30,421 Just as soon as I make a few errors, they're gonna drop me! 929 00:49:30,535 --> 00:49:33,164 Can't you see it? 930 00:49:33,237 --> 00:49:35,536 TAB HUNTER: The frst live television show 931 00:49:35,606 --> 00:49:38,963 I did was "Fear Strikes Out." 932 00:49:39,077 --> 00:49:41,592 I played Jimmy Piersall. 933 00:49:41,713 --> 00:49:46,071 He was a ball player who had mental problems. 934 00:49:46,150 --> 00:49:50,952 Tony caught my performance and told me how much he liked it. 935 00:49:51,055 --> 00:49:52,819 I confded in Tony that I wanted Warner 936 00:49:52,890 --> 00:49:56,543 Brothers to buy the project for me to make a movie out of it. 937 00:49:56,627 --> 00:49:59,142 One evening we were playing ping pong on a terrace, 938 00:49:59,263 --> 00:50:02,745 and he said, oh, by the way, Paramount just bought 939 00:50:02,834 --> 00:50:05,463 "Fear Strikes Out" for me. 940 00:50:05,570 --> 00:50:07,539 And it just was like, whoa. 941 00:50:10,274 --> 00:50:11,890 He had mentioned it to the studio, 942 00:50:11,976 --> 00:50:13,831 and they got it for him. 943 00:50:16,614 --> 00:50:19,607 He was a very ambitious young man and a very fne actor 944 00:50:19,684 --> 00:50:21,835 and he should be working. 945 00:50:21,953 --> 00:50:28,871 But I did feel betrayed by that move. 946 00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:32,226 When, Jimmy-- when that's all you ever cared about. 947 00:50:32,296 --> 00:50:33,127 And you're killing me. 948 00:50:33,197 --> 00:50:34,483 You've been killing me for years. 949 00:50:34,599 --> 00:50:35,760 Yes, you have. And it's too much. 950 00:50:38,870 --> 00:50:41,465 He was very good in the flm. 951 00:50:41,539 --> 00:50:44,327 But our relationship was strained after that. 952 00:50:47,712 --> 00:50:50,705 He told me that his studio didn't 953 00:50:50,815 --> 00:50:54,980 want him to see me anymore. 954 00:50:55,053 --> 00:50:57,716 We saw less and less of each other, 955 00:50:57,822 --> 00:51:00,485 and we just sor of grew apar. 956 00:51:05,630 --> 00:51:10,284 "Damn Yankees" was a huge Broadway hit. 957 00:51:10,368 --> 00:51:13,725 Jack Warner bought "Damn Yankees" for me. 958 00:51:13,838 --> 00:51:16,660 It was the frst really good project for me 959 00:51:16,741 --> 00:51:19,040 from Warner Brothers. 960 00:51:19,143 --> 00:51:22,170 Jack Warner brought in the whole New York cast, 961 00:51:22,246 --> 00:51:26,206 except for the lead, and he wanted me to do that. 962 00:51:26,317 --> 00:51:28,798 I was the only outsider in it. 963 00:51:28,886 --> 00:51:31,754 It needed some sparkle, which he had. 964 00:51:31,856 --> 00:51:33,791 What's the story on this kid'? 965 00:51:33,858 --> 00:51:38,717 This Tab Hunter was like a breath of spring. 966 00:51:38,830 --> 00:51:40,321 WOW! 967 00:51:40,398 --> 00:51:42,731 The director was George Abbott. 968 00:51:42,834 --> 00:51:45,292 He didn't want me at all. 969 00:51:45,369 --> 00:51:47,338 He wanted Don Murray. 970 00:51:47,405 --> 00:51:50,728 Warner said, I want you to the use Tab Hunter. 971 00:51:50,842 --> 00:51:53,437 He's the biggest star at my studio. 972 00:51:53,511 --> 00:51:56,208 Every one of his pictures is popular. 973 00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,397 Tab was cerainly at the top of his game. 974 00:52:01,419 --> 00:52:04,446 George Abbott and I did not get along. 975 00:52:04,555 --> 00:52:06,376 The frst time I met him was at the read through. 976 00:52:06,457 --> 00:52:09,086 The whole New York cast was sitting there. 977 00:52:09,193 --> 00:52:11,219 And after I read a few lines, he said, 978 00:52:11,295 --> 00:52:13,230 I want you to read it like this. 979 00:52:13,297 --> 00:52:16,233 And he gave me a line reading, which actors do not like. 980 00:52:16,300 --> 00:52:18,781 I want to exercise the escape clause which is to take place 981 00:52:18,903 --> 00:52:21,691 on the 24th, which is today. 982 00:52:21,772 --> 00:52:25,254 So I read it the way he wanted me to. 983 00:52:25,376 --> 00:52:27,072 We went on, and he stopped me about two 984 00:52:27,145 --> 00:52:29,114 or three or four times. 985 00:52:29,213 --> 00:52:32,331 And fnally, I just had had enough. 986 00:52:32,416 --> 00:52:34,749 So I stopped, and I said, Mr. Abbott, from what I gather, 987 00:52:34,819 --> 00:52:36,003 you'd like me to do it the way Stephen 988 00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:37,884 Douglas did it on Broadway. 989 00:52:37,955 --> 00:52:38,638 He said, yes, yes. 990 00:52:38,756 --> 00:52:39,735 That's exactly what I would like. 991 00:52:39,824 --> 00:52:41,941 I said, well, I thought Stephen Douglas 992 00:52:42,059 --> 00:52:47,851 had a magnifcent voice, but I thought he was a real stick. 993 00:52:47,932 --> 00:52:49,901 If I play the character, frst of all, 994 00:52:49,967 --> 00:52:52,266 he's got to be human being. 995 00:52:52,336 --> 00:52:54,316 That was the wrong thing to tell him. 996 00:52:54,438 --> 00:52:56,805 Oh, I'm honest, but, uh, I'm dumb too. 997 00:52:56,908 --> 00:53:00,356 He closed his script, said, thank you all very much. 998 00:53:00,444 --> 00:53:04,313 He got up and left the room, and I was fred off the picture. 999 00:53:04,415 --> 00:53:06,566 Jack Warner went to Abbott and said, 1000 00:53:06,651 --> 00:53:07,744 I bought it for Tab Hunter. 1001 00:53:07,818 --> 00:53:09,343 Tab Hunter's going to do it. 1002 00:53:09,453 --> 00:53:11,934 You don't say no to Jack Warner. 1003 00:53:12,023 --> 00:53:12,877 OK, you win. 1004 00:53:12,990 --> 00:53:14,276 Get a uniform. - You mean it? 1005 00:53:14,358 --> 00:53:15,314 - I mean it. - Wow! 1006 00:53:15,426 --> 00:53:16,109 I made it! 1007 00:53:16,194 --> 00:53:17,048 (mum-nus) 1008 00:53:17,161 --> 00:53:18,925 Sol did the flm, but it was diffcult, 1009 00:53:18,996 --> 00:53:21,989 knowing that he'd never wanted me right from the star. 1010 00:53:22,099 --> 00:53:30,030 (SINGING) Whatever Lola wants, Lola gets. 1011 00:53:30,107 --> 00:53:34,101 And Gwen Verdon- Gwen always called me like a New 1012 00:53:34,178 --> 00:53:35,999 York cab driver-- Tab Huntah. 1013 00:53:36,113 --> 00:53:37,934 (LAUGHING) I loved it. 1014 00:53:40,518 --> 00:53:43,215 The choreographer was Bobby Fosse. 1015 00:53:43,321 --> 00:53:46,257 You can't get any better than that. 1016 00:53:46,324 --> 00:53:48,418 Bobby Fosse made me look like I could dance, 1017 00:53:48,492 --> 00:53:49,585 even though I have two left feet. 1018 00:53:49,660 --> 00:53:51,629 And he said, don't worry about it, Tab. 1019 00:53:51,696 --> 00:53:52,527 You'll be fne. 1020 00:53:52,630 --> 00:53:54,121 You see, Mr., uh, Mr.-- 1021 00:53:54,198 --> 00:53:56,952 Uh, Hardy- uh, Joe Hardy. 1022 00:53:57,034 --> 00:54:01,324 I just felt like I wanted to take him in my arms. 1023 00:54:01,405 --> 00:54:04,603 Well, he was perfect for the role. 1024 00:54:04,709 --> 00:54:06,530 He was delicious in it, and I think 1025 00:54:06,644 --> 00:54:09,728 that Mr. Abbott was very very satisfed with him ultimately. 1026 00:54:09,814 --> 00:54:11,146 All right, a caron of Winstons, and Tab, 1027 00:54:11,215 --> 00:54:12,501 thanks a million. - Thank you very much. 1028 00:54:14,485 --> 00:54:18,115 He was always, always trying to be better. 1029 00:54:20,758 --> 00:54:23,239 Probably at that time his looks got in the way a bit. 1030 00:54:23,361 --> 00:54:26,616 I've had a great evening. really I have. 1031 00:54:26,731 --> 00:54:28,393 I'll never forget it. 1032 00:54:28,499 --> 00:54:31,287 The era that Tab got kind of stuck in 1033 00:54:31,369 --> 00:54:34,794 was that era when we were all very attracted to the Brando 1034 00:54:34,872 --> 00:54:37,501 angst and the Jimmy Dean angst. 1035 00:54:37,575 --> 00:54:41,262 You're tearing me apar! 1036 00:54:41,379 --> 00:54:44,736 TAB HUNTER: Warner Brothers had Jimmy as the rebel, 1037 00:54:44,849 --> 00:54:46,670 and they had me as the all-American boy. 1038 00:54:46,751 --> 00:54:50,051 So they had their bases covered. 1039 00:54:50,121 --> 00:54:52,545 They did discuss me for the Jimmy Dean role in "Rebel 1040 00:54:52,623 --> 00:54:56,310 Without a Cause." 1041 00:54:56,427 --> 00:54:59,056 Can you imagine that? (LAUGHING) 1042 00:54:59,130 --> 00:55:01,759 He didn't get the opporunities with some of those pars 1043 00:55:01,866 --> 00:55:03,630 that he could've done very well. 1044 00:55:03,701 --> 00:55:07,126 And they were terribly complicated people. 1045 00:55:07,204 --> 00:55:08,638 And one of the great assets of Tab Hunter 1046 00:55:08,706 --> 00:55:10,368 was the fact that he didn't look like a terribly 1047 00:55:10,441 --> 00:55:12,467 complicated person. 1048 00:55:12,576 --> 00:55:15,728 You know, it's a curse and it's a blessing 1049 00:55:15,813 --> 00:55:19,978 to have that kind of career where they think that you are 1050 00:55:20,084 --> 00:55:23,532 that infectious smile or you are that person that 1051 00:55:23,621 --> 00:55:26,591 jumps off the screen to them. 1052 00:55:26,657 --> 00:55:30,082 Tab had a very diffcult time trying 1053 00:55:30,161 --> 00:55:36,146 to prove that behind this face there really is a talent. 1054 00:55:36,267 --> 00:55:41,638 ANNOUNCER: Playhouse 90, tonight starring Tab Hunter. 1055 00:55:41,739 --> 00:55:43,890 TAB HUNTER: The director Arhur Penn said, there's 1056 00:55:43,974 --> 00:55:45,795 a great script I've just read. 1057 00:55:45,910 --> 00:55:48,539 It was called "Porrait of a Murderer." 1058 00:55:48,612 --> 00:55:50,194 He said, will you do it? 1059 00:55:50,281 --> 00:55:52,739 I said, oh, I don't think so. 1060 00:55:52,817 --> 00:55:55,082 Live television? 1061 00:55:55,152 --> 00:55:58,270 That would clear the hell out of me. 1062 00:55:58,356 --> 00:56:00,985 I was awfully guilty of saying, I can't do that, 1063 00:56:01,092 --> 00:56:03,209 or I'm afraid to do this. 1064 00:56:03,294 --> 00:56:04,455 But you've just got to go (SPLASHING 1065 00:56:04,528 --> 00:56:06,315 SOUND) take the plunge. 1066 00:56:06,430 --> 00:56:09,093 ANNOUNCER: "Porrait of a Murderer," 1067 00:56:09,166 --> 00:56:11,283 directed by Arhur Penn. 1068 00:56:11,369 --> 00:56:16,137 It was the true story of Donald Bashor a man 1069 00:56:16,207 --> 00:56:20,565 who committed burglaries and murdered these people. 1070 00:56:20,678 --> 00:56:23,011 It was a very powerful piece of material. 1071 00:56:23,114 --> 00:56:24,446 Put than back right now. 1072 00:56:24,515 --> 00:56:25,437 I'm calling the police. 1073 00:56:25,516 --> 00:56:27,997 You're going to get arrested for breaking and-- ah! 1074 00:56:28,119 --> 00:56:28,882 Oh! 1075 00:56:35,693 --> 00:56:39,016 He was frightening-- really frightening. 1076 00:56:39,130 --> 00:56:41,315 He played it so well because it seemed to be 1077 00:56:41,399 --> 00:56:44,392 going against his own persona. 1078 00:56:44,502 --> 00:56:47,438 Here was Geraldine page from the Actor's Studio in New York. 1079 00:56:47,505 --> 00:56:49,986 It was a whole different way of working. 1080 00:56:50,074 --> 00:56:52,043 Tab kept up with her. 1081 00:56:52,143 --> 00:56:53,668 But I don't want to bring you bad luck. 1082 00:56:53,744 --> 00:56:54,427 Bad luck? 1083 00:56:54,545 --> 00:56:56,730 You're my good luck, my best luck. 1084 00:56:56,847 --> 00:56:58,372 This was big time. 1085 00:56:58,482 --> 00:57:03,432 This wasn't just some teenage hearthrob who got a break. 1086 00:57:03,521 --> 00:57:04,534 Oh, I was proud of that show. 1087 00:57:04,655 --> 00:57:06,624 It was a good show. 1088 00:57:06,690 --> 00:57:08,716 Television was giving me the opporunity 1089 00:57:08,826 --> 00:57:12,456 to do things that I could not do in motion pictures, 1090 00:57:12,530 --> 00:57:16,217 with the most creative people in the industry, 1091 00:57:16,333 --> 00:57:18,427 directors like Sidney Lumet, John 1092 00:57:18,502 --> 00:57:21,472 Frankenheimer, really good actors 1093 00:57:21,539 --> 00:57:24,293 and actresses and good writers. 1094 00:57:24,375 --> 00:57:27,345 I loved live television. 1095 00:57:27,411 --> 00:57:28,663 ANNOUNCER: Tab Hunter. 1096 00:57:28,746 --> 00:57:30,863 Then it stared to click, where he 1097 00:57:30,948 --> 00:57:34,373 was getting cast in things that made sense, 1098 00:57:34,452 --> 00:57:36,603 and he was no longer a joke. 1099 00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:37,403 Come on! 1100 00:57:37,521 --> 00:57:38,204 Just me brand them. 1101 00:57:38,289 --> 00:57:41,225 I told you to put that gun away. 1102 00:57:41,292 --> 00:57:44,410 Yes, sir. 1103 00:57:44,528 --> 00:57:49,364 I'd played heavy on television but never in a flm. 1104 00:57:49,433 --> 00:57:51,891 It just was such a good character. 1105 00:57:51,969 --> 00:57:53,585 It's a pathetic. 1106 00:57:53,704 --> 00:57:56,401 From now on, I'm going my own way, me, Ed Hackett. 1107 00:57:56,474 --> 00:57:58,295 He's a complete psychopath. 1108 00:57:58,409 --> 00:57:59,934 I'm giving you an order. 1109 00:58:00,044 --> 00:58:01,478 You can go to hell! 1110 00:58:01,545 --> 00:58:02,672 He's a racist. 1111 00:58:02,746 --> 00:58:05,375 You mean to tell me you'd marry that no-good half breed? 1112 00:58:05,449 --> 00:58:06,701 He's a murderer. 1113 00:58:06,784 --> 00:58:08,309 Mister, you made a mistake in pulling that gun. 1114 00:58:11,989 --> 00:58:13,514 He's just waiting to explode. 1115 00:58:16,227 --> 00:58:20,358 Of all the flms I've done, "Gunman's Walk" was some 1116 00:58:20,431 --> 00:58:23,856 of my best work as an actor. 1117 00:58:23,934 --> 00:58:29,703 After "Gunman's Walk," Hollywood stared to see me in a new way. 1118 00:58:29,773 --> 00:58:33,642 I stared getting cast in some very nice productions-- 1119 00:58:33,744 --> 00:58:38,842 "They Game to Cordura," with Gary Cooper and Rita Hayworh, 1120 00:58:38,916 --> 00:58:40,350 "The Pleasure of His Company," with Fred 1121 00:58:40,417 --> 00:58:43,933 Astaire and Debbie Reynolds, "That Kind of Woman," 1122 00:58:44,021 --> 00:58:46,286 with Sophia Loren. 1123 00:58:46,357 --> 00:58:49,680 These wonderful flms were not being made at Warner Brothers, 1124 00:58:49,793 --> 00:58:51,614 where I was under contract. 1125 00:58:51,695 --> 00:58:57,157 Warners would loan me out for like $250,000 a picture. 1126 00:58:57,268 --> 00:58:59,203 Then they would pay me my regular Warner 1127 00:58:59,270 --> 00:59:04,402 Brothers weekly salary, and they would pocket the difference. 1128 00:59:04,475 --> 00:59:08,833 I was getting a little upset about that. 1129 00:59:08,946 --> 00:59:11,279 The two flms that Natalie and I did together 1130 00:59:11,348 --> 00:59:13,806 were both big hits. 1131 00:59:13,884 --> 00:59:17,082 So the studio went and put us together in another flm. 1132 00:59:17,187 --> 00:59:21,147 Well, I read the script, and I thought, I can't do this. 1133 00:59:21,225 --> 00:59:24,047 I turned it down because I knew what I liked, 1134 00:59:24,161 --> 00:59:27,029 knew what I didn't like, and I wanted to grow. 1135 00:59:27,131 --> 00:59:29,066 I'm not a puppet. 1136 00:59:29,133 --> 00:59:33,298 So I asked the studio for my release. 1137 00:59:33,370 --> 00:59:34,827 Well, needless to say, Jack Warner wasn't 1138 00:59:34,905 --> 00:59:38,330 about to have that happen. 1139 00:59:38,409 --> 00:59:41,197 And I said, well, Mr. Warner, how much would it cost'? 1140 00:59:41,312 --> 00:59:43,577 And he said, if you want out, you 1141 00:59:43,647 --> 00:59:48,745 pay us $100,000 for the remainder of your contract. 1142 00:59:48,819 --> 00:59:52,574 That was a lot of money, like a couple million today. 1143 00:59:52,656 --> 00:59:56,172 But to express myself and be my own person, I fgured, 1144 00:59:56,260 --> 00:59:58,741 I've got to do it. 1145 00:59:58,862 --> 01:00:02,856 Products of Hollywood are interchangeable 1146 01:00:02,933 --> 01:00:05,562 and ultimately replaceable. 1147 01:00:05,669 --> 01:00:07,160 Get outta here, Dad. 1148 01:00:07,237 --> 01:00:11,675 If you weren't half drunk I'd throw you out. 1149 01:00:11,742 --> 01:00:14,826 Troy Donahue was a young actor. 1150 01:00:14,912 --> 01:00:17,370 He was one of Henry's clients. 1151 01:00:17,448 --> 01:00:19,906 Actually, Henry Wilson tried to stick me with that name 1152 01:00:20,017 --> 01:00:21,633 before they gave me Tab Hunter. 1153 01:00:24,254 --> 01:00:26,280 Warner Brothers was trying to make Troy Donahue 1154 01:00:26,390 --> 01:00:28,575 in the image of Tab Hunter. 1155 01:00:28,692 --> 01:00:31,025 They stared building Troy's career 1156 01:00:31,095 --> 01:00:34,850 and have him a very good career. 1157 01:00:34,932 --> 01:00:37,413 You've been a good old wagon, but you done broke down. 1158 01:00:37,534 --> 01:00:39,958 (WHISTLING SOUND) You're out, and somebody else is in there. 1159 01:00:42,573 --> 01:00:46,704 Leaving Warner Brothers was career suicide. 1160 01:00:46,777 --> 01:00:49,076 I thought there'd be opporunity for me at other studios, 1161 01:00:49,146 --> 01:00:53,470 but that was not the case. 1162 01:00:53,584 --> 01:00:57,009 The days of studio contracts were over. 1163 01:00:57,087 --> 01:01:01,536 I was now a freelance actor on my own, 1164 01:01:01,625 --> 01:01:06,154 and my primary concern was taking care of my mother. 1165 01:01:06,263 --> 01:01:07,879 I had a lot of responsibilities. 1166 01:01:07,965 --> 01:01:11,720 And it was tough to keep your head above water. 1167 01:01:11,802 --> 01:01:13,384 I would do anything to pay down my debt. 1168 01:01:13,470 --> 01:01:17,555 ANNOUNCER: "Operation Bikini," starring Tab Hunter. 1169 01:01:17,641 --> 01:01:21,271 My career was really drying up in Hollywood. 1170 01:01:21,345 --> 01:01:24,213 So I would take whatever was available. 1171 01:01:24,314 --> 01:01:27,250 I was no longer looking for the keys to the kingdom. 1172 01:01:27,317 --> 01:01:30,742 ANNOUNCER: "The Golden Arrow," starring Tab Hunter. 1173 01:01:30,821 --> 01:01:35,680 Well, not many actors can say that they rode a fying carpet. 1174 01:01:35,793 --> 01:01:38,911 When you have to live and you need a job, 1175 01:01:38,996 --> 01:01:40,248 you'll accept what's there. 1176 01:01:40,330 --> 01:01:41,855 ANNOUNCER: Tab Hunter in a dual role 1177 01:01:41,965 --> 01:01:47,063 as a heroic security offcer and a treacherous enemy agent. 1178 01:01:47,137 --> 01:01:51,336 "Birds Do It," with Soupy Sales, that's a winner. 1179 01:01:51,442 --> 01:01:53,377 ANNOUNCER: Tab Hunter is Steamer. 1180 01:01:53,444 --> 01:01:56,266 He goes all the way for everhing Hawaiian. 1181 01:01:56,346 --> 01:01:58,110 To this day, people are still coming up and saying, 1182 01:01:58,182 --> 01:02:01,448 oh, I loved you in all those beach movies! 1183 01:02:01,518 --> 01:02:03,373 I only did one. 1184 01:02:03,487 --> 01:02:05,672 That was "Ride the Wild Surf." 1185 01:02:05,789 --> 01:02:08,759 Everybody kept thinking of me as this surfer. 1186 01:02:08,826 --> 01:02:10,522 And at that point, I felt that I was a little 1187 01:02:10,627 --> 01:02:12,482 long in the tooth for that one. 1188 01:02:12,563 --> 01:02:15,863 I was 32 at the time. 1189 01:02:15,966 --> 01:02:20,131 They would have a son a little Red Flyer wagon on our knees 1190 01:02:20,204 --> 01:02:24,289 with process shot behind us of this mountainous wave. 1191 01:02:24,374 --> 01:02:25,831 And then a prop man would be in front of us 1192 01:02:25,909 --> 01:02:29,107 With a bucket of water going splash-splash, splash-splash. 1193 01:02:29,213 --> 01:02:31,193 Someone point me toward the nearest bank. 1194 01:02:31,315 --> 01:02:34,069 This was called paying the bills and keep working. 1195 01:02:34,151 --> 01:02:35,585 That's what it's all about. 1196 01:02:35,652 --> 01:02:37,746 ANNOUNCER: "The Tab Hunter Show--" 1197 01:02:37,821 --> 01:02:39,847 The television series that I did, 1198 01:02:39,923 --> 01:02:41,710 This was bottom of the barrel. 1199 01:02:41,825 --> 01:02:43,259 But that's impossible. 1200 01:02:43,327 --> 01:02:46,684 This so-called comedy wound up with a director who would 1201 01:02:46,764 --> 01:02:47,948 Say to us, come on, come on. 1202 01:02:48,065 --> 01:02:48,748 Faster! 1203 01:02:48,866 --> 01:02:49,663 Faster! 1204 01:02:49,733 --> 01:02:52,100 Fast is funny, but faster is funnier. 1205 01:02:52,202 --> 01:02:53,659 When do you meet her? 1206 01:02:53,737 --> 01:02:55,763 Right now. 1207 01:02:55,873 --> 01:02:57,489 It was really bad stuff. 1208 01:02:57,574 --> 01:02:59,361 The bloom came off the rose. 1209 01:02:59,443 --> 01:03:01,105 My career was going (WHISTLING SOUND). 1210 01:03:01,211 --> 01:03:02,167 Beat it, Tab. 1211 01:03:02,246 --> 01:03:04,340 Can't you see I'm busy'? 1212 01:03:04,414 --> 01:03:06,781 Without the protection of the studio, 1213 01:03:06,884 --> 01:03:11,322 My boy-nex-door image was in total free fall. 1214 01:03:11,388 --> 01:03:16,486 People could say and write what they wanted, and they did. 1215 01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:19,223 If I had still been under contract, 1216 01:03:19,296 --> 01:03:23,165 They'd have nailed it like that. 1217 01:03:23,267 --> 01:03:28,604 I was sick of Hollywood, sick of the media, 1218 01:03:28,705 --> 01:03:30,799 And I had just about lost faith in everhing. 1219 01:34:44,915 --> 01:34:49,569 As I was doing flms, I would always run back to the stable. 1220 01:34:49,653 --> 01:34:52,851 The thing about being alone on a horse, 1221 01:34:52,956 --> 01:34:57,758 it helps you divorce yourself from yourself 1222 01:34:57,828 --> 01:34:59,319 because you're working with an animal 1223 01:34:59,430 --> 01:35:02,457 that has a life of its own. 1224 01:35:02,533 --> 01:35:06,493 It's a marriage that's quite marvelous. 1225 01:35:06,603 --> 01:35:09,721 I found that my touch of reality in that unrealistic world 1226 01:35:09,807 --> 01:35:10,570 of Hollywood. 1227 01:35:13,944 --> 01:35:16,425 He was riding a jumper. 1228 01:35:16,513 --> 01:35:20,439 I was in awe of him because of how he rode. 1229 01:35:20,517 --> 01:35:23,715 I was standing at the back gate, and we just stared talking. 1230 01:35:23,821 --> 01:35:25,915 I didn't know who he was. 1231 01:35:25,989 --> 01:35:29,016 And he asked me questions like, do I ride'? 1232 01:35:29,126 --> 01:35:33,086 And I said, oh, yeah, I grew up on a horse. 1233 01:35:33,163 --> 01:35:34,825 He said, do you ride jumping horses? 1234 01:35:34,898 --> 01:35:36,560 And I said, no, I've not done that, 1235 01:35:36,667 --> 01:35:39,933 but the thought appeals to me. 1236 01:35:40,003 --> 01:35:43,599 And he said, I'd be willing to teach you some jumping. 1237 01:35:43,674 --> 01:35:45,700 So I took him up on it. 1238 01:35:45,809 --> 01:35:50,463 And so we became friends after that. 1239 01:35:50,547 --> 01:35:52,334 He didn't have all the trappings, 1240 01:35:52,416 --> 01:35:55,932 I didn't think, that a star would have. 1241 01:35:56,053 --> 01:35:57,487 He was very real person. 1242 01:36:03,360 --> 01:36:07,286 It was the frst long-term relationship that I ever had. 1243 01:36:07,364 --> 01:36:09,344 We were together for about seven years. 1244 01:36:13,670 --> 01:36:16,299 Hollywood turned their back on him. 1245 01:36:16,373 --> 01:36:21,630 And I realized what it must be like to be very popular 1246 01:36:21,712 --> 01:36:25,797 and to be very unpopular. 1247 01:36:25,883 --> 01:36:28,478 I cerainly commiserated with him. 1248 01:36:28,552 --> 01:36:31,181 But he didn't ever want to talk about it much. 1249 01:36:31,255 --> 01:36:33,224 ANNOUNCER: Tab has been out of town for a while. 1250 01:36:33,290 --> 01:36:36,442 Now he's back, just horsing around, waiting for the day 1251 01:36:36,560 --> 01:36:38,529 he's discovered again. 1252 01:36:38,595 --> 01:36:41,588 I was very concerned. 1253 01:36:41,698 --> 01:36:46,318 So I bought space in "Variety" to just tell people hello. 1254 01:36:46,403 --> 01:36:48,019 Is there any possibility of you getting 1255 01:36:48,105 --> 01:36:49,687 job somewhere around here? 1256 01:36:49,773 --> 01:36:51,105 I just wanted people to know that I wasn't 1257 01:36:51,208 --> 01:36:53,029 dead, that I'm still alive. 1258 01:36:53,110 --> 01:36:55,807 And a couple responses- really sweet people-- said, yeah, 1259 01:36:55,913 --> 01:36:58,064 get lost, or yeah, drop dead. 1260 01:36:58,148 --> 01:37:01,175 Tab Hunter, who was every high school girl's idea 1261 01:37:01,285 --> 01:37:03,311 of a dream boat-- he was a boy who 1262 01:37:03,420 --> 01:37:05,537 never seemed to get any older. 1263 01:37:05,622 --> 01:37:07,409 Well, he has. 1264 01:37:07,491 --> 01:37:10,313 Well, I might as well have been a relic from the silent era 1265 01:37:10,427 --> 01:37:12,089 because people wanted real people 1266 01:37:12,162 --> 01:37:17,021 in real situations, no more Hollywood made-up personas. 1267 01:37:17,134 --> 01:37:18,898 We want to be free to ride our machines without being 1268 01:37:18,969 --> 01:37:19,766 hassled by the man. 1269 01:37:22,139 --> 01:37:24,802 TAB HUNTER: The new actors were anti-establishment, 1270 01:37:24,908 --> 01:37:28,993 and I was apple pie and All-American. 1271 01:37:29,079 --> 01:37:31,105 It would have taken some director 1272 01:37:31,181 --> 01:37:34,606 to give him the kind of a par that would make everybody 1273 01:37:34,685 --> 01:37:36,984 look at him in a new way. 1274 01:37:37,087 --> 01:37:39,238 In order to make the change, he would have had 1275 01:37:39,323 --> 01:37:42,919 to do something really radical. 1276 01:37:42,993 --> 01:37:45,258 This was a low-budget horror flm-- 1277 01:37:46,797 --> 01:37:49,426 --made on a show string. 1278 01:37:49,499 --> 01:37:52,526 It needed a very handsome debonair man 1279 01:37:52,636 --> 01:37:54,252 who would love women to death. 1280 01:37:58,475 --> 01:38:00,296 Tab Hunter would be the last person 1281 01:38:00,377 --> 01:38:03,006 you would expect to do that. 1282 01:38:03,113 --> 01:38:07,437 TAB HUNTER: "Sweet Kill" was cerainly way out there. 1283 01:38:07,517 --> 01:38:11,352 I did it because the movie roles were just not coming along. 1284 01:38:14,725 --> 01:38:18,526 Tab was so much a par of that Eisenhower era. 1285 01:38:18,629 --> 01:38:22,646 The '50s, as an era, was repudiated in the '60s. 1286 01:38:22,733 --> 01:38:24,349 Young people are the only people 1287 01:38:24,468 --> 01:38:26,619 in this whole country that have saved the soul of America. 1288 01:38:31,308 --> 01:38:34,631 It was a completely changed world. 1289 01:38:34,711 --> 01:38:39,729 America was at war with itself as well as at war with Vetnam. 1290 01:38:42,653 --> 01:38:47,011 My brother was in military medical evacuations. 1291 01:38:47,090 --> 01:38:49,685 He had joined the Navy. 1292 01:38:49,760 --> 01:38:53,925 He wound up in Vetnam, as so many young men did. 1293 01:38:56,900 --> 01:39:00,985 I was at a horse show at the Cow Palace in San Francisco. 1294 01:39:01,071 --> 01:39:03,336 And I was sitting on my horse at the back gate waiting 1295 01:39:03,407 --> 01:39:05,774 for the announcer to announce my horse Nob Hill 1296 01:39:05,876 --> 01:39:09,176 and myself for the nex entry into the arena. 1297 01:39:09,246 --> 01:39:11,579 And I saw a man in military uniform coming, 1298 01:39:11,682 --> 01:39:18,646 and he walked over to me, and he said, are you Ar Gelien? 1299 01:39:18,722 --> 01:39:24,184 I just want to tell you your brother was killed in Vetnam. 1300 01:39:24,261 --> 01:39:26,378 I thought, why him? 1301 01:39:26,463 --> 01:39:28,159 Why not me'? 1302 01:39:28,265 --> 01:39:29,699 Walt was married, and he had seven children. 1303 01:39:33,136 --> 01:39:38,632 I remember taking the moment, closing my eyes, and saying, 1304 01:39:38,742 --> 01:39:42,702 Walt, I'm gonna win this class for you. 1305 01:39:45,315 --> 01:39:46,897 And my horse won the class that night. 1306 01:39:49,786 --> 01:39:53,439 And then afterwards I went back to the barn. 1307 01:39:53,557 --> 01:39:59,258 And when I was in the stall with my horse, I totally lost it. 1308 01:39:59,329 --> 01:40:02,629 I was scared of my own shadow. 1309 01:40:02,733 --> 01:40:05,430 My brother was the one who opened the doors of life 1310 01:40:05,502 --> 01:40:07,869 for me. 1311 01:40:07,971 --> 01:40:09,496 I really looked up to him so much. 1312 01:40:16,246 --> 01:40:21,082 My mother was very stoic about my brother's death. 1313 01:40:21,151 --> 01:40:25,680 She was getting better, but it took a while. 1314 01:40:25,789 --> 01:40:27,451 I was very concerned about her well-being, 1315 01:40:27,524 --> 01:40:29,891 and I would see her a great deal more than I had when I was 1316 01:40:29,993 --> 01:40:33,020 running around with the movies. 1317 01:40:33,130 --> 01:40:36,430 I found her a little aparment in Long Beach. 1318 01:40:36,500 --> 01:40:38,082 Whatever she need, I would be there for her. 1319 01:40:41,171 --> 01:40:44,437 Well, I made a promise to my mother to take care of her. 1320 01:40:44,508 --> 01:40:47,660 And I defnitely was going to keep it. 1321 01:40:47,778 --> 01:40:50,202 I had to create work in some way. 1322 01:40:52,783 --> 01:40:54,115 I discovered dinner theater. 1323 01:40:56,720 --> 01:40:59,918 Dinner theater was a place where people could come and stuff 1324 01:41:00,023 --> 01:41:03,141 their faces, then sit back, and while they were getting 1325 01:41:03,226 --> 01:41:07,755 to belch, watch the show they you were doing. (LAUGHING) 1326 01:41:07,864 --> 01:41:11,062 They were becoming very, very popular. 1327 01:41:11,168 --> 01:41:15,128 There was a stigma attached to working dinner theaters. 1328 01:41:15,205 --> 01:41:20,997 They said that it was the place that old actors went to die. 1329 01:41:21,078 --> 01:41:22,603 I was making more money at dinner theater 1330 01:41:22,712 --> 01:41:25,409 than I was waiting for a picture now and then in Hollywood, 1331 01:41:25,515 --> 01:41:28,337 that's for sure-- six weeks here, 1332 01:41:28,418 --> 01:41:33,220 eight weeks there, four weeks here, all over the country. 1333 01:41:33,323 --> 01:41:37,192 I felt I had to keep going once you put yourself in that gear. 1334 01:41:37,260 --> 01:41:40,947 I was on the road constantly. 1335 01:41:41,064 --> 01:41:42,521 INTERVlEWER: Your story in "Here Lies 1336 01:41:42,599 --> 01:41:44,215 Jeremy Troy," which is at the Grand 1337 01:41:44,334 --> 01:41:45,427 Dinner Theater in Anaheim-- 1338 01:41:45,502 --> 01:41:46,185 That's right. 1339 01:41:46,269 --> 01:41:47,248 We'll be there for eight weeks. 1340 01:41:47,370 --> 01:41:49,851 It's right opposite the entrance to Disneyland. 1341 01:41:49,940 --> 01:41:54,560 It's a very lonely, lonely existence. 1342 01:41:54,678 --> 01:41:56,863 You perform in front of 1,500 people, 1343 01:41:56,947 --> 01:42:00,907 and you go home to a hotel room in the middle of nowhere 1344 01:42:01,017 --> 01:42:03,350 by yourself. 1345 01:42:03,420 --> 01:42:07,289 Working at dinner theater was very exhausting. 1346 01:42:07,390 --> 01:42:11,145 And doing that every single night took a toll on me. 1347 01:42:11,228 --> 01:42:12,924 I wore myself right into the ground 1348 01:42:13,029 --> 01:42:16,227 to the point of where I had a hear attack. 1349 01:42:16,299 --> 01:42:20,100 I was sure that it could be the end. 1350 01:42:23,940 --> 01:42:26,455 I was wondering if I was going to be able to make it, 1351 01:42:26,576 --> 01:42:29,603 and I was praying a lot. 1352 01:42:29,713 --> 01:42:33,707 I did give up dinner theater after that. 1353 01:42:33,783 --> 01:42:36,753 I learned to try to relax a bit. 1354 01:42:36,820 --> 01:42:39,335 I learned to be grateful for every moment 1355 01:42:39,456 --> 01:42:40,287 and thankful- thankful. 1356 01:42:46,463 --> 01:42:48,887 I love the church. 1357 01:42:48,965 --> 01:42:51,116 I love my religion. 1358 01:42:51,234 --> 01:42:54,659 But I still just felt like I was such an outcast 1359 01:42:54,738 --> 01:42:55,535 because of my sexuality. 1360 01:42:59,943 --> 01:43:01,468 It took a long time for me to fnd my way back. 1361 01:43:05,148 --> 01:43:07,606 It was so peaceful, and it was so imporant 1362 01:43:07,684 --> 01:43:12,008 that I try to be a par of it. 1363 01:43:12,122 --> 01:43:15,775 And I struck up a conversation with a priest who I felt 1364 01:43:15,859 --> 01:43:18,829 I can really communicate with. 1365 01:43:18,929 --> 01:43:20,750 I told him I was a Catholic, and I told him I 1366 01:43:20,830 --> 01:43:24,961 had some terrible reservations. 1367 01:43:25,035 --> 01:43:27,129 He was so receptive. 1368 01:43:27,204 --> 01:43:31,289 And he really made me feel better about myself. 1369 01:43:34,044 --> 01:43:40,564 He was discovering something about his own truth. 1370 01:43:40,684 --> 01:43:45,304 For a man to have to live in someone else's presuming 1371 01:43:45,388 --> 01:43:51,089 about who you should love, how do you ever know yourself? 1372 01:43:51,194 --> 01:43:55,029 He was going to go where his hear told him to go. 1373 01:43:57,701 --> 01:44:02,799 By going back to my church and my beliefs, that really, 1374 01:44:02,872 --> 01:44:07,970 really helped me through a very diffcult period. 1375 01:44:08,044 --> 01:44:12,539 And little by little, I just felt the weight of the world 1376 01:44:12,649 --> 01:44:13,833 was lifted from me. 1377 01:44:22,225 --> 01:44:24,205 I knew Tab is an image, you know'? 1378 01:44:24,327 --> 01:44:26,592 And that was the thing that was so very imporant to me 1379 01:44:26,663 --> 01:44:29,178 and why I so much wanted him to be in Polyester." 1380 01:44:29,266 --> 01:44:31,087 It's Todd, honey. 1381 01:44:31,201 --> 01:44:32,180 Todd? 1382 01:44:32,269 --> 01:44:33,635 Todd Tomorrow? 1383 01:44:33,737 --> 01:44:36,002 John Waters called me up on the telephone and said, 1384 01:44:36,072 --> 01:44:39,588 I've got a script I'd like you to read for a flm with Divine. 1385 01:44:39,709 --> 01:44:41,143 What do you think, sweethear? 1386 01:44:41,211 --> 01:44:43,999 Oh, it's very high brow, Todd. 1387 01:44:44,080 --> 01:44:45,571 And then he said, how would you feel 1388 01:44:45,682 --> 01:44:48,015 about kissing a 1389 01:44:48,084 --> 01:44:50,565 (LAUGHING) And I just said, I'm sure 1390 01:44:50,687 --> 01:44:53,987 I've kissed a hell of a lot worse. 1391 01:44:54,057 --> 01:44:56,720 John's flms were outrageous. 1392 01:44:56,793 --> 01:44:59,615 I prayed that he would never go watch "Pink Flamingos." 1393 01:44:59,729 --> 01:45:01,584 Happy birhday, fatso. 1394 01:45:01,698 --> 01:45:02,620 Oh! 1395 01:45:02,699 --> 01:45:03,712 And he did. 1396 01:45:03,800 --> 01:45:06,224 How could anyone be flthier than Divine'? 1397 01:45:06,303 --> 01:45:10,752 Even then, he didn't say, oh, well, never mind. 1398 01:45:10,874 --> 01:45:13,469 He was unafraid. 1399 01:45:13,543 --> 01:45:16,138 I remember an agent saying to me at the time, 1400 01:45:16,212 --> 01:45:18,147 you can't do that flm. 1401 01:45:18,214 --> 01:45:21,241 And my response was, what have I got to lose'? 1402 01:45:21,318 --> 01:45:23,105 Where's my career now'? 1403 01:45:23,219 --> 01:45:25,006 I thought this will be a lot of fun. 1404 01:45:25,088 --> 01:45:27,353 Why don't you show me your bedroom, honey'? 1405 01:45:27,424 --> 01:45:28,346 Mother may I'? 1406 01:45:28,425 --> 01:45:29,222 Yes, you may. 1407 01:45:29,292 --> 01:45:30,055 Ooh! 1408 01:45:30,126 --> 01:45:33,119 I could only afford him for one week. 1409 01:45:33,229 --> 01:45:35,824 I'm sure it was the least Tab Hunter was ever paid, 1410 01:45:35,899 --> 01:45:39,700 and it was by far the most I had ever paid anybody. 1411 01:45:39,769 --> 01:45:42,967 Doing a flm for John, you got to fnd a spot on the foor 1412 01:45:43,073 --> 01:45:46,430 where you can sit down between takes-- cold pizza at 2:00 1413 01:45:46,509 --> 01:45:47,795 AM. (mum-nus) 1414 01:45:47,911 --> 01:45:49,163 Are you my little fesh pot? 1415 01:45:49,245 --> 01:45:50,406 Mm-hmm. 1416 01:45:50,480 --> 01:45:52,460 It was the frst time ever we had 1417 01:45:52,582 --> 01:45:54,733 quote, "a real movie star" come in 1418 01:45:54,818 --> 01:45:57,788 and work with my movie stars. 1419 01:45:57,854 --> 01:46:01,302 Tab made out with Divine who was in drag. 1420 01:46:01,424 --> 01:46:04,451 People could not believe their eyes. 1421 01:46:04,527 --> 01:46:07,679 That's why the movie worked because they together 1422 01:46:07,797 --> 01:46:10,494 were a great screen couple. 1423 01:46:10,600 --> 01:46:12,364 A couple of people said, oh, don't worry about it. 1424 01:46:12,435 --> 01:46:14,950 Nobody's gonna see this flm. 1425 01:46:15,038 --> 01:46:16,222 The movie came out. 1426 01:46:16,339 --> 01:46:17,671 It was a hit. 1427 01:46:17,774 --> 01:46:20,232 And it defnitely revitalized my career. 1428 01:46:20,310 --> 01:46:23,246 Mr. Tab Hunter, yay! 1429 01:46:23,313 --> 01:46:25,168 Well, there was a whole new audience 1430 01:46:25,281 --> 01:46:27,307 that never heard of Tab Hunter. 1431 01:46:27,384 --> 01:46:28,716 Now, what is the best time of the month 1432 01:46:28,818 --> 01:46:31,515 for a woman to conceive? 1433 01:46:31,621 --> 01:46:33,738 I feel like a new old face or an old new face. 1434 01:46:33,823 --> 01:46:35,849 So I'm getting my toe in the door to star all over again. 1435 01:46:35,959 --> 01:46:37,814 It's very exciting 1436 01:46:37,894 --> 01:46:39,988 Tab was serious about his career. 1437 01:46:40,063 --> 01:46:41,884 But he never took himself that seriously. 1438 01:46:41,998 --> 01:46:43,330 DR. ERNO: Tab, what do you do for a living? 1439 01:46:43,400 --> 01:46:45,551 Well, Erno, I'm a Hollywood movie star, 1440 01:46:45,668 --> 01:46:48,661 and I've been in over 40 flms, and I lived in Beverly Hills. 1441 01:46:48,738 --> 01:46:49,922 That sounds exciting. 1442 01:46:50,039 --> 01:46:53,237 He found himself amusing. 1443 01:46:53,343 --> 01:46:55,824 When you have a sense of humor about yourself, 1444 01:46:55,912 --> 01:46:57,494 people appreciate you in another way. 1445 01:47:01,985 --> 01:47:05,069 I wanted to work with Divine again. 1446 01:47:05,155 --> 01:47:09,081 I had come up with the idea of doing a Western comedy. 1447 01:47:09,159 --> 01:47:11,128 It was called "Lust in the Dust." 1448 01:47:11,194 --> 01:47:13,345 ANNOUNCER: Tab Hunter is the stranger. 1449 01:47:14,230 --> 01:47:18,918 And Divine is Rosy Valdez. 1450 01:47:19,035 --> 01:47:19,798 Come and get it. 1451 01:47:19,869 --> 01:47:21,633 I turned over every stone I possibly 1452 01:47:21,704 --> 01:47:25,334 could trying to get "Lust in the Dust" going forward. 1453 01:47:25,408 --> 01:47:27,923 The frst time I saw Tab in person 1454 01:47:28,044 --> 01:47:29,478 was when he walked into my offce 1455 01:47:29,546 --> 01:47:32,630 at Fox to pitch "Lust in the Dust." 1456 01:47:32,715 --> 01:47:36,732 Tab still had that star quality. 1457 01:47:36,853 --> 01:47:39,038 And I mentioned the project to Allan. 1458 01:47:39,122 --> 01:47:43,287 And he hit on it right away and said, what a wonderful idea. 1459 01:47:43,393 --> 01:47:45,726 Once Tab left the meeting, I thought, yeah, 1460 01:47:45,795 --> 01:47:49,152 "Lust in the Dust" could work. 1461 01:47:49,265 --> 01:47:53,396 I knew I could trust him almost immediately. 1462 01:47:53,470 --> 01:47:57,066 I found Allan very attractive, very bright, 1463 01:47:57,140 --> 01:47:59,837 and I wanted to spend more time with him. 1464 01:47:59,943 --> 01:48:02,242 Tab stared calling me. 1465 01:48:02,312 --> 01:48:03,769 And I thought initially it was just 1466 01:48:03,880 --> 01:48:07,146 a follow up about "Lust in the Dust," but it went beyond that. 1467 01:48:10,587 --> 01:48:13,705 Tab was 30 years older and I was. 1468 01:48:13,790 --> 01:48:15,372 I was 23. 1469 01:48:15,458 --> 01:48:17,609 Tabb was 53. 1470 01:48:17,727 --> 01:48:20,060 But once we did connect, I couldn't 1471 01:48:20,129 --> 01:48:23,099 imagine us not being together. 1472 01:48:23,166 --> 01:48:26,432 And then the more our personal relationship grew, 1473 01:48:26,503 --> 01:48:31,601 the more I was determined to get that movie done. 1474 01:48:31,674 --> 01:48:33,859 I tried to get it going at Fox, and there 1475 01:48:33,977 --> 01:48:35,161 was a little bit of interest, but they 1476 01:48:35,278 --> 01:48:37,736 ultimately passed on it. 1477 01:48:37,814 --> 01:48:41,296 Tab said to me I should get involved and produce this. 1478 01:48:41,417 --> 01:48:44,842 Well, that would mean having to leave my secure job 1479 01:48:44,921 --> 01:48:50,258 at Fox, which I did. 1480 01:48:50,326 --> 01:48:53,683 People told me I was taking a big risk leaving the studio. 1481 01:48:53,796 --> 01:48:55,651 But I had a hunch that my future would 1482 01:48:55,765 --> 01:48:59,395 be better with Tab, so I left. 1483 01:48:59,469 --> 01:49:02,792 He single-handedly raised all the money for that flm. 1484 01:49:02,872 --> 01:49:04,454 You got it all wrong, honey. 1485 01:49:04,541 --> 01:49:06,658 You've been cheap all your life. 1486 01:49:06,776 --> 01:49:07,459 Cheap? 1487 01:49:07,544 --> 01:49:09,877 I was the sister of Divine. 1488 01:49:09,979 --> 01:49:11,914 This furniture is cheap. 1489 01:49:11,981 --> 01:49:13,961 I looked like a drag queen, you know'? 1490 01:49:14,050 --> 01:49:17,134 (LAUGHING) I think that was the idea. 1491 01:49:17,220 --> 01:49:21,669 My love scene with Tab Hunter- we were in a shower. 1492 01:49:21,791 --> 01:49:22,554 It was delicious. 1493 01:49:25,962 --> 01:49:29,615 The frst flm I ever appeared in was "Lust in the Dust." 1494 01:49:29,699 --> 01:49:32,726 That set, in paricular, had a real sense of frivolity and fun 1495 01:49:32,835 --> 01:49:33,518 about it. 1496 01:49:33,636 --> 01:49:36,117 And I remember being struck by Tab's naturalism 1497 01:49:36,205 --> 01:49:40,461 and how efforlessly everhing he was doing was coming across. 1498 01:49:40,543 --> 01:49:42,569 Vctory shifts from man to man. 1499 01:49:42,679 --> 01:49:43,840 Deuteronomy'? 1500 01:49:43,913 --> 01:49:45,575 Homer. 1501 01:49:45,682 --> 01:49:49,437 Everybody was sor of playing it larger than life. 1502 01:49:49,519 --> 01:49:52,273 "Lust in the Dust" was well received, 1503 01:49:52,355 --> 01:49:58,488 and it cerainly opened doors for us to do other things. 1504 01:49:58,561 --> 01:50:01,588 ALLAN GLASER: Tab defnitely had a value. 1505 01:50:01,698 --> 01:50:07,399 I got a lot of meetings just because Tab was attached. 1506 01:50:07,503 --> 01:50:09,290 We were doing these independent projects, 1507 01:50:09,372 --> 01:50:13,628 and Tab's celebrity helped me raise the fnancing. 1508 01:50:13,710 --> 01:50:16,168 It was a very productive time for us. 1509 01:50:16,245 --> 01:50:20,842 For me, it was a challenge to make it work, which I enjoyed. 1510 01:50:20,917 --> 01:50:23,341 But not so much for Tab. 1511 01:50:23,419 --> 01:50:25,001 He didn't fnd that same excitement 1512 01:50:25,088 --> 01:50:28,513 that I found in trying to get these projects going. 1513 01:50:28,591 --> 01:50:30,173 Well, I never paid a lot of attention what 1514 01:50:30,259 --> 01:50:31,352 was happening in Hollywood. 1515 01:50:31,427 --> 01:50:32,588 I let Allan do all of that because he 1516 01:50:32,695 --> 01:50:33,822 was really good at it. 1517 01:50:33,896 --> 01:50:34,579 How are you'? 1518 01:50:34,697 --> 01:50:35,619 Tab Hunter. 1519 01:50:35,698 --> 01:50:40,887 By this time, Tab wasn't too happy to continue acting. 1520 01:50:40,970 --> 01:50:45,738 Tab was still getting offers, but he turned 90% of everhing 1521 01:50:45,808 --> 01:50:47,333 he was offered down. 1522 01:50:50,813 --> 01:50:54,898 People were coming out, and that was their choice to do so, 1523 01:50:54,984 --> 01:50:57,579 and I respect that. 1524 01:50:57,654 --> 01:51:03,958 Personally, I didn't want my sexuality to defne who I was. 1525 01:51:04,060 --> 01:51:06,541 I just didn't talk about. 1526 01:51:06,629 --> 01:51:09,383 It's not my comfor zone. 1527 01:51:09,465 --> 01:51:13,095 I was point-blank asked about my sexuality. 1528 01:51:13,169 --> 01:51:16,856 Wasn't it diffcult to be in a closet? 1529 01:51:16,973 --> 01:51:21,422 Some of the press occasionally would cross that boundary, 1530 01:51:21,511 --> 01:51:23,446 I'm entitled to have that line there, 1531 01:51:23,513 --> 01:51:28,804 and if I don't want to share that with you, I won't. 1532 01:51:28,918 --> 01:51:30,443 I think it probably means I fnally made it. 1533 01:51:30,520 --> 01:51:32,375 I mean, you can't be a star without having a gay rumor out 1534 01:51:32,488 --> 01:51:34,309 there, can you'? (LAUGHING) 1535 01:51:34,424 --> 01:51:36,120 In some respects, the business is 1536 01:51:36,192 --> 01:51:38,457 still like it was in the '50s. 1537 01:51:38,528 --> 01:51:41,726 It may be a lot more socially acceptable to be gay. 1538 01:51:41,831 --> 01:51:44,312 But I know several people who are very 1539 01:51:44,434 --> 01:51:48,428 prominent in this industry who feel, perhaps legitimately, 1540 01:51:48,504 --> 01:51:51,770 that if they came out it would affect their box offce appeal. 1541 01:51:51,841 --> 01:51:56,199 Let's put it this way, fellas, a Gillette shave turns a trick. 1542 01:51:56,312 --> 01:52:01,842 For someone who is the fantasy for women all across America 1543 01:52:01,951 --> 01:52:06,446 and the world, to come out in the public and say, 1544 01:52:06,522 --> 01:52:12,348 I'm gay and expect to play leading men is an issue. 1545 01:52:12,462 --> 01:52:14,795 It's still tricky. 1546 01:52:14,864 --> 01:52:18,346 Every actor who has a secret, like being gay, 1547 01:52:18,468 --> 01:52:21,586 there's a par of us that are afraid of Hollywood. 1548 01:52:21,671 --> 01:52:26,029 We're afraid to be who we are completely. 1549 01:52:26,142 --> 01:52:29,112 That's a hard life to lead. 1550 01:52:29,178 --> 01:52:33,195 After decades of being in the public eye, all I wanted 1551 01:52:33,316 --> 01:52:35,467 was my privacy. 1552 01:52:35,551 --> 01:52:40,319 In order to achieve that, I just withdrew from it all for good. 1553 01:52:47,363 --> 01:52:49,343 My life had been very transient. 1554 01:52:52,001 --> 01:52:55,449 I never thought of settling down. 1555 01:52:55,538 --> 01:52:58,963 But then Allan came into my life and just 1556 01:52:59,041 --> 01:53:00,532 opened up whole new vistas. 1557 01:53:04,180 --> 01:53:06,809 We're so much of a par of each other 1558 01:53:06,883 --> 01:53:09,580 now because we have been together for so long. 1559 01:53:09,685 --> 01:53:11,711 And it's just one of those things. 1560 01:53:11,788 --> 01:53:14,451 It works. 1561 01:53:14,557 --> 01:53:17,641 Allan's a very stabilizing infuence. 1562 01:53:17,727 --> 01:53:21,323 I have a wonderful relationship with Allan that's 1563 01:53:21,397 --> 01:53:24,993 grown over SO-some years. 1564 01:53:25,067 --> 01:53:28,333 This is really an incredible person that I 1565 01:53:28,404 --> 01:53:29,258 want to spend my life with. 1566 01:53:35,478 --> 01:53:38,778 What brings Tab pleasure on a daily basis, 1567 01:53:38,881 --> 01:53:42,682 and I can sum it up in one word, is Harlow. 1568 01:53:42,752 --> 01:53:45,176 This old cow, look at her. 1569 01:53:45,254 --> 01:53:50,113 ALLAN GLASER: Harlow, Tab's horse, is what gives Tab joy. 1570 01:53:50,226 --> 01:53:52,593 This is what makes me happiest. 1571 01:53:52,662 --> 01:53:55,291 This is where I really feel more at ease 1572 01:53:55,398 --> 01:53:57,060 than I would anywhere else. 1573 01:53:57,133 --> 01:53:59,068 It's getting up in the morning, having 1574 01:53:59,135 --> 01:54:03,425 to go clean out that stall, having to groom that horse. 1575 01:54:03,506 --> 01:54:06,294 Whoa, listen to your belly growl! 1576 01:54:06,409 --> 01:54:09,527 That sounds like a pretty good life-- riding horses and just 1577 01:54:09,612 --> 01:54:11,376 kind of cooling his heels. 1578 01:54:11,447 --> 01:54:14,383 OK move your tush, sweethear. 1579 01:54:14,450 --> 01:54:15,941 He's a better man than I am. 1580 01:54:16,018 --> 01:54:19,102 I try to stay away from anything weighing 1,400 pounds 1581 01:54:19,188 --> 01:54:22,340 and has a brain the size of a walnut. 1582 01:54:22,458 --> 01:54:26,293 When you have a passion that fulflls you, 1583 01:54:26,362 --> 01:54:31,892 you don't look to other areas to fll you up. 1584 01:54:32,001 --> 01:54:36,200 Tab is an incredible horseman and always has been, 1585 01:54:36,305 --> 01:54:40,743 and that is a career in itself. 1586 01:54:40,810 --> 01:54:44,941 Well, my acting career I look at as being all in the past. 1587 01:54:45,014 --> 01:54:49,213 I loved it, bud I love where I am now in my life. 1588 01:54:49,318 --> 01:54:51,173 And I am happy to be forgotten. 1589 01:54:57,560 --> 01:55:00,075 Tab's attitude to his Hollywood career 1590 01:55:00,196 --> 01:55:02,222 is been there, done that. 1591 01:55:02,331 --> 01:55:05,324 He calls it his past life, which drives me nuts. 1592 01:55:05,401 --> 01:55:07,336 I found this is at fea market. 1593 01:55:07,403 --> 01:55:09,588 It's something that he could embrace, 1594 01:55:09,705 --> 01:55:10,684 but he doesn't care to do it. 1595 01:55:10,806 --> 01:55:11,489 He did it. 1596 01:55:11,574 --> 01:55:13,543 He let go of it. 1597 01:55:13,643 --> 01:55:16,636 He doesn't even want to see himself on television. 1598 01:55:16,712 --> 01:55:21,309 If he's laying in bed and an old movie of his comes on, 1599 01:55:21,384 --> 01:55:23,842 he doesn't stop for one second. 1600 01:55:23,920 --> 01:55:24,933 Forget it. 1601 01:55:25,054 --> 01:55:26,545 ALLAN GLASER: He just fips through the channel 1602 01:55:26,656 --> 01:55:29,774 like it was a dog food commercial and keeps going. 1603 01:55:29,859 --> 01:55:31,646 Well, a-- a boy's best friend is his mother. 1604 01:55:35,197 --> 01:55:37,291 We were casting "Lust in the Dust," 1605 01:55:37,366 --> 01:55:40,188 and there was this character named Hardcase Williams. 1606 01:55:40,269 --> 01:55:44,593 And I thought Tony Perkins would be perfect for that role. 1607 01:55:44,707 --> 01:55:49,031 ANNOUNCER: 22 years later, Norman Bates is home. 1608 01:55:49,111 --> 01:55:51,808 "Psycho II" had just come out. 1609 01:55:51,914 --> 01:55:55,066 Tony was getting a tremendous amount of publicity. 1610 01:55:55,184 --> 01:55:57,210 Tab was having a career resurgence 1611 01:55:57,286 --> 01:56:01,121 at the same exact time Tony Perkins was. 1612 01:56:01,223 --> 01:56:05,718 He said, Tony Perkins-- do you know him'? 1613 01:56:05,795 --> 01:56:08,663 (LAUGHING) I said, yeah, Allan, I know him. 1614 01:56:08,764 --> 01:56:13,930 (LAUGHING) I contacted Tony, went up 1615 01:56:14,036 --> 01:56:16,790 to his house up on Mulholland. 1616 01:56:16,872 --> 01:56:20,320 I hadn't seen him in a long while. 1617 01:56:20,409 --> 01:56:23,732 His wife Mary answered the door. 1618 01:56:23,813 --> 01:56:26,271 Tony had married, had a family. 1619 01:56:26,382 --> 01:56:29,580 And I presented Tony with the script. 1620 01:56:29,652 --> 01:56:31,348 And he said he really would like to do it, 1621 01:56:31,454 --> 01:56:33,389 but he just didn't think it was the right project for him 1622 01:56:33,456 --> 01:56:35,641 at the time. 1623 01:56:35,758 --> 01:56:39,081 And Tony and I said goodbye that afternoon, 1624 01:56:39,161 --> 01:56:42,359 and that was the last time that I saw Tony. 1625 01:56:42,465 --> 01:56:45,788 AIDS has taken the life of actor Anthony Perkins. 1626 01:56:45,901 --> 01:56:50,760 He died Saturday at his Los Angeles home. 1627 01:56:50,840 --> 01:56:55,278 I never felt that Tony was struggling with his identity. 1628 01:56:55,344 --> 01:56:59,429 And when I did hear of it, I was really quite surprised. 1629 01:56:59,515 --> 01:57:05,648 Maybe he was deep down unhappy with himself about being gay 1630 01:57:05,755 --> 01:57:08,543 and wanted to change that. 1631 01:57:08,624 --> 01:57:11,139 His choice was right for him, and it's 1632 01:57:11,260 --> 01:57:15,061 all par of a person's growth. 1633 01:57:15,131 --> 01:57:19,933 Tony was who he was, or maybe he wanted to be. 1634 01:57:20,002 --> 01:57:22,369 That was good enough for me. 1635 01:57:22,471 --> 01:57:27,000 I had no right- no one does-- to be judgmental or to second 1636 01:57:27,109 --> 01:57:28,566 guess his pursuit of happiness. 1637 01:57:31,447 --> 01:57:35,737 There are an awful lot of people who have feelings, 1638 01:57:35,818 --> 01:57:39,619 and they're in confict with themselves. 1639 01:57:39,688 --> 01:57:44,672 And it's a terribly diffcult thing to have to go through. 1640 01:57:44,794 --> 01:57:46,888 I think you have to be true to yourself. 1641 01:57:53,002 --> 01:57:57,133 My mother never said I love you a lot. 1642 01:57:57,206 --> 01:58:03,237 But she'd show it when you'd least expect it. 1643 01:58:03,345 --> 01:58:05,132 My mother and I are sitting on the back terrace 1644 01:58:05,214 --> 01:58:08,184 having breakfast one morning after church. 1645 01:58:08,250 --> 01:58:10,185 And she leaned over and kissed me on the cheek and said, 1646 01:58:10,252 --> 01:58:12,847 I love you very much. 1647 01:58:12,922 --> 01:58:13,935 I was in a good place with her. 1648 01:58:14,056 --> 01:58:14,739 I know that. 1649 01:58:14,857 --> 01:58:18,692 And she was in a good place with me. 1650 01:58:18,761 --> 01:58:19,683 I miss her. 1651 01:58:26,735 --> 01:58:31,355 There's something well-grounded about Tab. 1652 01:58:31,440 --> 01:58:36,242 That's why he's lasted all these years is that he's real. 1653 01:58:36,345 --> 01:58:37,028 He's like the earh. 1654 01:58:37,113 --> 01:58:39,901 He's solid. 1655 01:58:40,015 --> 01:58:44,510 He's happy in his own special way to live his life, 1656 01:58:44,587 --> 01:58:47,011 and he's had a happy life. 1657 01:58:47,089 --> 01:58:48,853 He chose that right road. 129622

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