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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,595 --> 00:00:03,554 It's over. Olivia and I are engaged. 2 00:00:03,764 --> 00:00:05,889 - Is this real? - It is. 3 00:00:05,889 --> 00:00:07,472 'Till she finds out the truth. 4 00:00:07,847 --> 00:00:09,513 'Bout how it all started. 5 00:00:09,930 --> 00:00:12,013 We should just square up the rent 6 00:00:12,013 --> 00:00:12,930 and move forward. 7 00:00:13,180 --> 00:00:14,472 It's not really gonna happen for you, Joey... 8 00:00:15,013 --> 00:00:17,680 Ah, now you want me to give up, too, just so you can feel better about yourself? 9 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:19,513 Are you available to, uh, talk? 10 00:00:19,513 --> 00:00:21,221 Who sent you here? How did you get here? 11 00:00:21,221 --> 00:00:24,639 Okay. Everything that we have right now is real. 12 00:00:24,639 --> 00:00:25,555 Is it real? 13 00:00:25,889 --> 00:00:29,805 It was you, wasn't it? You are not coming back here. 14 00:00:30,138 --> 00:00:32,180 Joe, you're kind of scaring me. 15 00:00:32,639 --> 00:00:33,764 What did Eric do this time? 16 00:00:34,013 --> 00:00:35,597 You don't understand, you're not alone in this. 17 00:00:35,597 --> 00:00:38,305 I don't even know who you are! 18 00:00:38,764 --> 00:00:40,096 What I don't understand 19 00:00:40,096 --> 00:00:42,847 is why you changed your story... twice. 20 00:00:53,388 --> 00:00:55,680 No, I don't want you to talk this time. 21 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:57,347 First, I just want you to listen. 22 00:00:57,347 --> 00:00:59,347 - Why don't you... - Because I don't want you 23 00:00:59,347 --> 00:01:01,513 to tell me something, again, 24 00:01:01,513 --> 00:01:04,971 that closes off another avenue of defense for you, all right? 25 00:01:04,971 --> 00:01:07,513 I know your side, you hear mine. 26 00:01:09,347 --> 00:01:12,347 Okay, I couldn't find Cliff Jones. 27 00:01:12,347 --> 00:01:15,430 I know, I know. I know. 28 00:01:15,430 --> 00:01:17,180 You sat with him face-to-face. 29 00:01:17,180 --> 00:01:20,221 But the fact that I couldn't locate him anywhere 30 00:01:20,221 --> 00:01:22,263 means probably Dick Andreesen couldn't either. 31 00:01:22,263 --> 00:01:24,180 And we're already dealing with priors... 32 00:01:24,180 --> 00:01:26,680 the Toledo thing, the New Orleans insurance thing with FEMA. 33 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:27,971 I looked this up. 34 00:01:27,971 --> 00:01:29,722 None of that pertains to the case. 35 00:01:29,722 --> 00:01:33,805 They are going to use it to impeach your credibility. 36 00:01:33,805 --> 00:01:35,513 And not just because this is Salt Lake City, 37 00:01:35,513 --> 00:01:39,221 but because you are a professional liar. 38 00:01:39,221 --> 00:01:42,930 It will be the first thing that Andreesen brings up, I promise you. 39 00:01:42,930 --> 00:01:46,180 Unless... unless he brings up Eloise Brand. 40 00:01:46,180 --> 00:01:47,430 Which he can't. 41 00:01:47,430 --> 00:01:49,472 Which will appear to be very similar. 42 00:01:49,472 --> 00:01:53,013 Which is not similar. It is not similar at all, you understand. 43 00:01:53,013 --> 00:01:55,013 There's nothing similar about those two. 44 00:01:55,013 --> 00:01:56,889 I didn't love Eloise Brand. 45 00:01:56,889 --> 00:01:58,889 You understand that I didn't love Eloise Brand? 46 00:01:58,889 --> 00:02:00,555 Besides which, it's inadmissible. 47 00:02:00,555 --> 00:02:01,680 I know this. 48 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:03,930 It's inad... good, okay. 49 00:02:03,930 --> 00:02:08,889 So then we'll just rely on the jurors to unhear it 50 00:02:08,889 --> 00:02:13,221 if Dick slips and it accidentally comes out, right? 51 00:02:13,221 --> 00:02:17,388 The point is, Eric, there is what you would like the playing field to be 52 00:02:17,388 --> 00:02:18,930 and there is what it is. 53 00:02:18,930 --> 00:02:21,138 Which one do you want to play on? 54 00:02:22,513 --> 00:02:24,971 - Okay. So...? - Okay. 55 00:02:26,971 --> 00:02:29,430 What is the reality here? 56 00:02:29,430 --> 00:02:30,764 The will. 57 00:02:30,764 --> 00:02:32,930 Your argument with Olivia, 58 00:02:32,930 --> 00:02:35,930 overheard just minutes before the murder 59 00:02:35,930 --> 00:02:38,597 by a guy who was going to check on a sketch 60 00:02:38,597 --> 00:02:41,138 she was apparently drawing for his kid. 61 00:02:41,138 --> 00:02:43,013 Your fingerprints are on the hammer. 62 00:02:43,013 --> 00:02:44,930 I was remodeling. 63 00:02:44,930 --> 00:02:46,221 Eric. 64 00:02:48,388 --> 00:02:50,138 The valets in the lower parking lot 65 00:02:50,138 --> 00:02:52,305 describe your exit as "rattled." 66 00:02:52,305 --> 00:02:55,263 And when the police found you in Truckee, you fled. 67 00:02:55,263 --> 00:02:57,722 You changed your story twice. 68 00:02:57,722 --> 00:03:01,805 And I know, I know... Eric, I know you didn't know she was dead, 69 00:03:01,805 --> 00:03:06,013 but the fact is you lied, for whatever reason. 70 00:03:06,013 --> 00:03:09,388 And when you agreed to take a polygraph... 71 00:03:09,388 --> 00:03:12,013 - Volunteered. - That's right. Yes, thank you. 72 00:03:12,013 --> 00:03:14,722 When you volunteered against the advice 73 00:03:14,722 --> 00:03:16,138 of your arresting officer... 74 00:03:16,138 --> 00:03:18,180 I was innocent. 75 00:03:18,180 --> 00:03:19,805 You failed your test. 76 00:03:19,805 --> 00:03:21,263 Because I was feeling guilty, 77 00:03:21,263 --> 00:03:23,722 but not about what they thought. 78 00:03:23,722 --> 00:03:25,055 I was a mess, 79 00:03:25,055 --> 00:03:28,263 which is why, I know, I should have listened. 80 00:03:28,263 --> 00:03:32,472 Okay. So, I'm sorry. 81 00:03:32,472 --> 00:03:33,764 Please, I'm sorry, okay? 82 00:03:33,764 --> 00:03:39,722 So, what... what are you suggesting? 83 00:03:39,722 --> 00:03:41,472 Please tell me this isn't your full lunch. 84 00:03:41,472 --> 00:03:44,472 Yep. Hammersmith had me until 2:00 85 00:03:44,472 --> 00:03:46,680 - bitching about the new parking. - Oh, God. I know, right? 86 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:48,639 Honestly I don't think anybody likes it better. 87 00:03:48,639 --> 00:03:52,513 Right? Then he wants us to support him on the team jerseys. 88 00:03:52,513 --> 00:03:54,930 I assume you're coming here for a plea 'cause you don't have a case. 89 00:03:54,930 --> 00:03:57,180 Actually, I have a great case. You don't have a body. 90 00:03:57,180 --> 00:03:59,513 You think the jury's gonna look at one photo 91 00:03:59,513 --> 00:04:01,263 from the crime scene and think otherwise? 92 00:04:01,263 --> 00:04:02,680 Even you don't think otherwise! 93 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:06,680 - I believe my client. - Ha! 94 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:08,889 Did they fix this or not? It's still cold. 95 00:04:08,889 --> 00:04:13,180 Yeah, that's the new one, so I don't think you're having, whatever, Cream of... 96 00:04:13,180 --> 00:04:15,680 - Leukemia? - Gross. 97 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:17,555 It's first-degree murder. You know that. 98 00:04:17,555 --> 00:04:19,639 Without a body? Good luck. 99 00:04:19,639 --> 00:04:21,513 What don't you like about the new jerseys? 100 00:04:21,513 --> 00:04:24,722 The whole "retro" thing? It's tired. 101 00:04:24,722 --> 00:04:27,448 Look, I can agree to allocute for no more than 24 years. 102 00:04:27,474 --> 00:04:28,930 That's never gonna happen. 103 00:04:28,930 --> 00:04:32,639 The will? The witnesses? Even if I drop to second, 24 is a gift. 104 00:04:32,639 --> 00:04:35,555 You know that. Great, now it's too hot. 105 00:04:35,555 --> 00:04:38,847 We're gonna get less than that with a jury, even in Salt Lake. 106 00:04:38,847 --> 00:04:43,263 Okay, I'll agree to not oppose a request for no more than 20. 107 00:04:43,263 --> 00:04:45,013 I'm going in at manslaughter, 10. 108 00:04:45,013 --> 00:04:46,847 - With his priors? Really? - Yeah. 109 00:04:46,847 --> 00:04:48,529 Will you do me a favor? Will you taste this? 110 00:04:48,555 --> 00:04:49,388 Smell it at least? 111 00:04:49,388 --> 00:04:50,889 It smells like soup and chemicals. 112 00:04:50,889 --> 00:04:53,388 I don't know what you want from me. 113 00:04:53,388 --> 00:04:57,221 We get a jury, I'll roll we get first. I'll risk a trial. 114 00:04:57,221 --> 00:04:59,555 I will accept second, but we have to allocute for 12. 115 00:04:59,555 --> 00:05:02,013 18, he's out in 12. 116 00:05:02,013 --> 00:05:05,138 Seriously, that is the most disgusting thing I think I've ever tasted. 117 00:05:05,138 --> 00:05:07,639 That's because you have to add hot water to it, Dick. 118 00:05:07,639 --> 00:05:11,221 You can't just put cold water in it and then microwave it. 119 00:05:11,221 --> 00:05:14,305 - Right. I put cold water in? - Yes. 14. 120 00:05:14,305 --> 00:05:16,597 Aggravated, 16. That's it. That's all I'm doing. 121 00:05:16,597 --> 00:05:20,263 Oh. There they are, by the way. 122 00:05:20,263 --> 00:05:22,430 Yeah, there is kind of a "Damn Yankees" thing going on there. 123 00:05:22,430 --> 00:05:23,764 - Right? - All right, 16. 124 00:05:23,764 --> 00:05:25,430 But we're gonna have to do this as an Alford. 125 00:05:25,430 --> 00:05:27,889 That's fine by me. It's all guilty. 126 00:05:30,639 --> 00:05:33,805 Hey. Hi, Alan. 127 00:05:33,805 --> 00:05:36,597 Hey, so I still cannot get Eric Neill 128 00:05:36,597 --> 00:05:38,430 to make any sort of a statement 129 00:05:38,430 --> 00:05:40,055 other than a flat-out denial. 130 00:05:40,055 --> 00:05:41,930 And I know you're gonna think that I'm crazy, 131 00:05:41,930 --> 00:05:43,722 but I'm kind of actually... 132 00:05:43,722 --> 00:05:44,971 I'm starting to believe him. 133 00:05:44,971 --> 00:05:47,305 - You know, Nate... - And he gave me a name. 134 00:05:47,305 --> 00:05:49,180 Actually, he gave me a bunch of names, 135 00:05:49,180 --> 00:05:51,680 but the one that stands out is this Cameron Morgan. 136 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:53,639 He's this thuggish, young guy. 137 00:05:53,639 --> 00:05:56,597 Apparently, Olivia loved to surround herself around young guys. 138 00:05:56,597 --> 00:06:00,472 Nate, Amy and Dick have come to an agreement. 139 00:06:00,472 --> 00:06:03,472 Who's Amy and Dick? Dick Andreesen? 140 00:06:03,472 --> 00:06:05,305 Wait, the prosecutor Dick Andreesen? 141 00:06:05,305 --> 00:06:08,889 Yeah, and Amy Lambson, that new public defender up out of Provo. 142 00:06:08,889 --> 00:06:11,555 Nice gal. Probably not that new anymore, actually. 143 00:06:11,555 --> 00:06:13,639 Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa. 144 00:06:13,639 --> 00:06:15,263 This isn't possible. 145 00:06:15,263 --> 00:06:17,305 I've still got some more stuff to lay out. 146 00:06:17,305 --> 00:06:19,722 Listen to this... this guy, Cameron, he's got a list... 147 00:06:19,722 --> 00:06:22,263 Take yes for an answer, Nate. 148 00:06:22,263 --> 00:06:23,971 We have the guy. 149 00:06:23,971 --> 00:06:25,555 - No. - You arrested him. 150 00:06:25,555 --> 00:06:27,639 No, I need a few more... 151 00:06:29,055 --> 00:06:32,055 Please, can we have a few more days? 152 00:06:32,055 --> 00:06:34,472 - Please? - It's over. 153 00:06:34,472 --> 00:06:36,180 You done good. 154 00:06:40,513 --> 00:06:43,013 Excuse me, Petra. 155 00:06:43,013 --> 00:06:44,180 Sorry. 156 00:06:44,180 --> 00:06:45,347 There's a guy to see you 157 00:06:45,347 --> 00:06:47,680 from the TV show "Heart of Homicide." 158 00:06:49,221 --> 00:06:51,221 - Oh, thank you. - Sure. 159 00:06:53,847 --> 00:06:57,221 It must have been very, very traumatic. 160 00:06:57,221 --> 00:06:59,180 To put it mildly, yep. 161 00:06:59,180 --> 00:07:03,263 The FBI storming your kitchen. 162 00:07:03,263 --> 00:07:05,513 Christmas Eve, right in the middle of dinner. 163 00:07:06,805 --> 00:07:09,138 What was that like? 164 00:07:09,138 --> 00:07:12,722 Seeing your own father dragged off like that? 165 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:16,889 Right. 166 00:07:16,889 --> 00:07:19,847 Okay, so flash forward 10 years, here we are. 167 00:07:19,847 --> 00:07:22,597 Your brother's been arrested. 168 00:07:22,597 --> 00:07:24,388 Does it bring up any memories? 169 00:07:28,472 --> 00:07:31,764 You know, we're gonna ask you a lot about your brother. 170 00:07:35,971 --> 00:07:37,930 You're okay talking about all this? 171 00:07:39,388 --> 00:07:41,055 Yeah, I think it... 172 00:07:42,388 --> 00:07:44,555 it's gonna get out there anyway. 173 00:07:44,555 --> 00:07:46,096 That's what you tell a reporter 174 00:07:46,096 --> 00:07:47,722 when they ask you about your brother's arrest? 175 00:07:47,722 --> 00:07:50,096 Well, I wasn't surprised. I mean, it's a pattern. 176 00:07:50,096 --> 00:07:52,096 And I really don't see how it matters now anyhow. 177 00:07:52,096 --> 00:07:55,221 It matters because your brother's case is flimsy at best. 178 00:07:55,221 --> 00:07:56,930 And pre-trying him in the court of public opinion 179 00:07:56,930 --> 00:07:58,597 doesn't exactly do him any favors. 180 00:07:58,597 --> 00:07:59,971 Well, there's something else I told him 181 00:07:59,971 --> 00:08:01,805 that I guess you're really gonna like. 182 00:08:01,805 --> 00:08:03,221 Oh, God. 183 00:08:03,221 --> 00:08:06,305 I'm the one who told the police where he was. 184 00:08:06,305 --> 00:08:08,263 When the detective came to Mom's hospice room, 185 00:08:08,263 --> 00:08:11,555 I told them he was at our family's cabin in Truckee. 186 00:08:13,930 --> 00:08:15,764 Great. 187 00:08:15,764 --> 00:08:18,305 Okay, actually, maybe you should be standing with the prosecutor. 188 00:08:18,305 --> 00:08:20,472 This is him in here. His name is Dick Andreesen. 189 00:08:20,472 --> 00:08:22,096 And I'm happy to introduce you if you like. 190 00:08:22,096 --> 00:08:23,805 If not, I'll just see you in the courtroom. 191 00:08:31,180 --> 00:08:33,597 On the docket is case number 192 00:08:33,597 --> 00:08:39,138 2013-0009. 193 00:08:39,138 --> 00:08:43,221 State of Utah versus Eric Neill. 194 00:08:43,221 --> 00:08:46,847 It's my understanding the parties involved have come to an agreement. 195 00:08:46,847 --> 00:08:48,221 Yes, sir, Your Honor. 196 00:08:48,221 --> 00:08:50,180 We have indeed reached an agreement. 197 00:08:50,180 --> 00:08:52,263 The defendant has agreed to a change of plea 198 00:08:52,263 --> 00:08:55,472 to the reduced charge of aggravated manslaughter. 199 00:09:02,971 --> 00:09:04,971 Christmas in February. 200 00:09:04,971 --> 00:09:08,138 Excuse me. 201 00:09:08,138 --> 00:09:11,138 - Cheers. - Cheers, man, cheers. 202 00:09:11,138 --> 00:09:12,889 - Tom Davis. - Alan Pape. 203 00:09:12,889 --> 00:09:15,639 I know, the man himself. 204 00:09:15,639 --> 00:09:18,847 Uh, listen, I'll get right to the point. 205 00:09:18,847 --> 00:09:21,555 It was really impressive work with Eric Neill. 206 00:09:21,555 --> 00:09:23,305 - Really good stuff. - Mmm. 207 00:09:23,305 --> 00:09:24,805 Now, I understand, 208 00:09:24,805 --> 00:09:26,889 if this doesn't fly for you, I totally get it, 209 00:09:26,889 --> 00:09:32,305 but this crime, this... this Eric Neill intrusion, 210 00:09:32,305 --> 00:09:35,930 it has spooked the heck out of a lot of folks up here. 211 00:09:35,930 --> 00:09:39,096 The consensus is we need new security. 212 00:09:39,096 --> 00:09:40,805 A new private firm, 213 00:09:40,805 --> 00:09:42,722 one we can count on, 214 00:09:42,722 --> 00:09:45,096 headed by a real pro. 215 00:09:45,096 --> 00:09:48,555 Oh, gosh, we already got some pretty top-notch outfits here. 216 00:09:48,555 --> 00:09:49,847 You're... 217 00:09:49,847 --> 00:09:52,555 a very gracious man, as I've heard. 218 00:09:52,555 --> 00:09:55,388 But I have not heard this bunch agree on anything 219 00:09:55,388 --> 00:09:57,347 as simple as setbacks from mailboxes 220 00:09:57,347 --> 00:09:59,513 like they agree on this one big thing. 221 00:10:00,680 --> 00:10:02,221 The person for the job... 222 00:10:03,513 --> 00:10:05,388 is Alan Pape. 223 00:10:05,388 --> 00:10:07,430 Oh, well... 224 00:10:09,096 --> 00:10:11,472 Well, I, uh... 225 00:10:11,472 --> 00:10:14,430 honestly, I... I've been with the department... 226 00:10:14,430 --> 00:10:17,221 32 years. 227 00:10:17,221 --> 00:10:18,764 I hope you don't mind, 228 00:10:18,764 --> 00:10:21,347 a couple friends of mine at county let me know your salary. 229 00:10:21,347 --> 00:10:22,430 Oh. 230 00:10:22,430 --> 00:10:24,971 You decide to accept this, 231 00:10:24,971 --> 00:10:27,597 we're prepared to triple it. 232 00:10:27,597 --> 00:10:30,388 Bring in a couple guys... your pick. 233 00:10:31,430 --> 00:10:32,889 It's all your call. 234 00:10:35,305 --> 00:10:37,639 Well, give it some thought. 235 00:10:37,639 --> 00:10:39,597 I'll give you a call in a couple of days, 236 00:10:39,597 --> 00:10:41,555 just check back in. 237 00:10:43,013 --> 00:10:44,555 Again, it's really... 238 00:10:45,930 --> 00:10:47,513 stellar work. 239 00:10:47,513 --> 00:10:49,096 It's really impressive. 240 00:10:50,221 --> 00:10:51,555 Thank you. 241 00:11:18,639 --> 00:11:21,472 Lookin' at ya. 242 00:11:24,513 --> 00:11:25,930 Got it. 243 00:11:25,930 --> 00:11:28,347 - Okay, .147. - 147. 244 00:11:28,347 --> 00:11:31,138 Edge of water. 245 00:11:32,805 --> 00:11:34,305 Other side. 246 00:12:10,847 --> 00:12:12,889 Authorities say what could be the hand 247 00:12:12,889 --> 00:12:15,138 of famed children's book author Olivia Lake 248 00:12:15,138 --> 00:12:18,263 has been discovered in a stream a half mile from her property, 249 00:12:18,263 --> 00:12:20,305 adding both closure as well as renewed attention 250 00:12:20,305 --> 00:12:23,347 to the events surrounding her now four-year-old murder. 251 00:12:23,347 --> 00:12:25,930 Investigators are swarming the abandoned mine shafts 252 00:12:25,930 --> 00:12:27,680 that dot the estate surrounding Lake's... 253 00:12:48,889 --> 00:12:53,138 This call is subject to monitoring and recording. 254 00:12:55,722 --> 00:13:00,930 So many, whatever, pithy lines I wrote 255 00:13:00,930 --> 00:13:02,930 for this very moment. 256 00:13:04,722 --> 00:13:07,221 Was that one of them? 257 00:13:07,221 --> 00:13:10,055 No, but this is. 258 00:13:10,055 --> 00:13:12,680 Unless I'm wrong, which I doubt, 259 00:13:12,680 --> 00:13:16,889 because I have nothing else to do but go over this ad infinitum, 260 00:13:16,889 --> 00:13:18,430 the last I heard, it was you 261 00:13:18,430 --> 00:13:22,138 who turned me over to the fucking police. 262 00:13:22,138 --> 00:13:24,930 Why are you here now? 263 00:13:35,263 --> 00:13:37,305 State law says that conditional gifts 264 00:13:37,305 --> 00:13:39,138 when the condition's precedent go unfulfilled 265 00:13:39,164 --> 00:13:40,513 become the property of the giver, 266 00:13:40,513 --> 00:13:42,472 the condition in this case being "Will you marry me," 267 00:13:42,472 --> 00:13:46,096 the nonfulfillment being "I can't, I'm dead." 268 00:13:47,263 --> 00:13:48,597 The fucking police gave it to me. 269 00:13:48,597 --> 00:13:50,430 What would you like me to do with it? 270 00:13:52,305 --> 00:13:55,263 So, you're here 'cause you wanna know 271 00:13:55,263 --> 00:13:58,971 what to do with Aunt Beth's ring. 272 00:13:58,971 --> 00:14:00,513 What happened? 273 00:14:00,513 --> 00:14:05,221 Since Mom died, you don't have any other projects? 274 00:14:05,221 --> 00:14:07,055 You know what? 275 00:14:07,055 --> 00:14:08,680 This will be in Salt Lake in storage. 276 00:14:08,680 --> 00:14:10,055 You can get it in 2032. 277 00:14:10,055 --> 00:14:12,305 I'm not interested in being the rudder 278 00:14:12,305 --> 00:14:17,347 that keeps you from free-forming around your life. 279 00:14:17,347 --> 00:14:18,680 Are you serious? 280 00:14:18,680 --> 00:14:21,388 Or one of your books you get 600 pages in writing 281 00:14:21,388 --> 00:14:23,347 and then abandon completely. 282 00:14:23,347 --> 00:14:25,639 Okay, you know what? 283 00:14:25,639 --> 00:14:28,597 I was wrong to think that you might not deserve this. 284 00:14:28,597 --> 00:14:30,764 W-Wait! 285 00:14:30,764 --> 00:14:31,889 I'm sorry. 286 00:14:31,889 --> 00:14:33,472 I'm sorry! 287 00:14:39,013 --> 00:14:40,971 I'm sorry. 288 00:14:40,971 --> 00:14:43,013 Don't abandon me. 289 00:14:49,221 --> 00:14:50,930 - There you go. - Great, thank you so much. 290 00:14:50,930 --> 00:14:51,847 You're welcome. 291 00:14:54,013 --> 00:14:56,096 Hey, Jim, take care of this for me, okay? 292 00:14:56,096 --> 00:14:58,013 Yeah, I'm back. So, when? 293 00:14:58,013 --> 00:14:59,347 Monday? 294 00:14:59,347 --> 00:15:00,930 No, no, no, what do you mean Monday? 295 00:15:00,930 --> 00:15:02,513 This is mining country, man. 296 00:15:02,513 --> 00:15:05,263 There are more geologists than there are Starbucks. 297 00:15:05,263 --> 00:15:07,513 Then you call someone else. 298 00:15:07,513 --> 00:15:10,430 No, hold on, there has to be something that can dig that deep 299 00:15:10,430 --> 00:15:12,430 in the amount of time that we need it. 300 00:15:12,430 --> 00:15:16,305 Then... then you make new connections, thank you! 301 00:15:16,305 --> 00:15:18,180 - Detective Henry. Hi. Nate. - What? Hi. 302 00:15:18,180 --> 00:15:20,513 - We met a few years ago. I'm Petra. - Petra. 303 00:15:20,513 --> 00:15:23,013 You're familiar with the Government Records Access and Management Act, I assume. 304 00:15:23,013 --> 00:15:25,347 I'm not, but I am with you. 305 00:15:25,347 --> 00:15:27,305 What department did you say you were with again, Petra? 306 00:15:27,305 --> 00:15:30,388 Actually, I'm not with a department. I'm Petra Neill. 307 00:15:30,388 --> 00:15:33,013 Oh, Jesus. No, no, you can't be here, then. 308 00:15:33,013 --> 00:15:35,388 - Please, just give me a moment. - No, no, no, you can't be here. 309 00:15:35,388 --> 00:15:37,155 A GRAMA request makes cops' notes available... 310 00:15:37,181 --> 00:15:37,597 GRAMA? 311 00:15:37,597 --> 00:15:39,221 - G-R-A-M-A... - GRAMA. 312 00:15:39,221 --> 00:15:41,263 Makes cops' notes available to the defense, 313 00:15:41,263 --> 00:15:43,263 which makes them part of the trial record. 314 00:15:43,263 --> 00:15:45,096 Okay, which means you have my notes, 315 00:15:45,096 --> 00:15:46,722 and I need you off the property now. 316 00:15:46,722 --> 00:15:48,347 I have copies, which is why I have a few questions for you. 317 00:15:48,347 --> 00:15:50,096 On the night of the murder, you interviewed Joel Hurley. 318 00:15:50,096 --> 00:15:51,513 That's what this is, right? 319 00:15:51,513 --> 00:15:53,555 Then you also interviewed his friend, Frank Scott. 320 00:15:53,555 --> 00:15:55,180 Uh, yeah. 321 00:15:55,180 --> 00:15:58,055 What I noticed was when referring to the night Olivia was killed, 322 00:15:58,055 --> 00:16:00,096 Joel said, "We took El Camino to Arroyo Parkway 323 00:16:00,096 --> 00:16:02,305 to the Eastridge Mall and saw the 10:20 'Hobbit 2.'" 324 00:16:02,305 --> 00:16:04,430 - Yeah, if you say so. - Now listen to what Frank said. 325 00:16:04,430 --> 00:16:06,555 No comment. 326 00:16:06,555 --> 00:16:08,013 "We went to Eastridge Mall. 327 00:16:08,013 --> 00:16:10,597 We took El Camino to Arroyo, and we saw the 10:20 showing 328 00:16:10,597 --> 00:16:12,263 of 'Hobbit 2: The Desolation of Smaug.'" 329 00:16:12,263 --> 00:16:14,930 Go to two. I don't understand your point. 330 00:16:14,930 --> 00:16:16,930 They both almost said exactly the same thing. 331 00:16:16,930 --> 00:16:19,347 They were going to see the same movie. 332 00:16:19,347 --> 00:16:20,930 Okay. Okay, sure, fine. 333 00:16:20,930 --> 00:16:22,430 But here's my question. 334 00:16:22,430 --> 00:16:24,930 Who says which road they took and the exact time of the show 335 00:16:24,930 --> 00:16:26,764 when they're talking about where they were one night? 336 00:16:26,764 --> 00:16:29,764 Two people who are talking to a police detective 337 00:16:29,764 --> 00:16:31,971 the day after a murder was discovered. 338 00:16:31,971 --> 00:16:34,347 Hey, if you're suggesting that two guys that I've known, 339 00:16:34,347 --> 00:16:37,764 one I knew for two years, one I've known for well over 30, 340 00:16:37,764 --> 00:16:39,472 are lying for some reason... 341 00:16:39,472 --> 00:16:41,555 No, what I'm saying is that every other person in your notes 342 00:16:41,555 --> 00:16:43,430 spoke a certain way, and these two didn't. 343 00:16:43,430 --> 00:16:45,430 And honestly, I'm surprised you didn't notice. 344 00:16:48,430 --> 00:16:50,472 You ever heard of zebra-itis? 345 00:16:50,472 --> 00:16:54,305 - No. - Okay, here's what zebra-itis is, 346 00:16:54,305 --> 00:16:56,138 and then I'm gonna need you to step back 347 00:16:56,138 --> 00:16:58,930 and stop contaminating my crime scene. 348 00:16:58,930 --> 00:17:02,722 If it smells like a horse and it leaves a trail of horse prints 349 00:17:02,722 --> 00:17:05,013 and a big pile of horse manure, 350 00:17:05,013 --> 00:17:07,221 it's a horse. 351 00:17:07,221 --> 00:17:10,805 But amateurs and rookies, they think they're so smart. 352 00:17:10,805 --> 00:17:14,096 Web sleuths spend all day poking through rainbows, 353 00:17:14,096 --> 00:17:16,013 looking for zebras. 354 00:17:16,013 --> 00:17:17,764 - Unicorns. - I'm sorry? 355 00:17:17,764 --> 00:17:19,472 Which still would work as a metaphor, 356 00:17:19,472 --> 00:17:22,305 but rainbows is unicorns, even though I totally get your point. 357 00:17:23,472 --> 00:17:25,263 I need you to move now. 358 00:17:25,263 --> 00:17:27,138 - You didn't think it was a horse. - Yo, Adam! 359 00:17:27,138 --> 00:17:28,847 - Please. - "All signs point to Eric, 360 00:17:28,847 --> 00:17:31,513 but in my gut, hmm, it just doesn't feel like Eric to me." 361 00:17:31,513 --> 00:17:33,430 Emphasis mine, but you said it to yourself 362 00:17:33,430 --> 00:17:35,805 in your own case notes right here, page 31. 363 00:17:35,805 --> 00:17:38,096 You didn't think it was Eric at the time. 364 00:17:43,180 --> 00:17:45,680 I got this, Adam. Thanks, anyway. 365 00:17:47,930 --> 00:17:51,555 Look, I'm just one guy. I'm not the system, so... 366 00:17:51,555 --> 00:17:53,597 But you got angry at the system. 367 00:17:53,597 --> 00:17:56,388 Your letter to the prosecutor, Dick Andreesen, asking for more time, 368 00:17:56,388 --> 00:17:58,013 it's in the discovery. 369 00:17:58,013 --> 00:18:01,221 Even though he had already closed down the investigation. 370 00:18:01,221 --> 00:18:03,805 You were looking for the elusive zebra, perhaps? 371 00:18:04,971 --> 00:18:06,847 Unicorn maybe, even? 372 00:18:06,847 --> 00:18:09,388 My issues with what went down four years ago 373 00:18:09,388 --> 00:18:11,472 have nothing to do with what's happening here now. 374 00:18:11,472 --> 00:18:13,680 Olivia's friend JC said Joel owed her 10 months' back rent 375 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:15,013 by the night of the murder. 376 00:18:15,013 --> 00:18:16,221 And Horacio, the gardener, 377 00:18:16,221 --> 00:18:17,513 said that Joel sold him his truck 378 00:18:17,513 --> 00:18:19,221 for a quarter of what it was worth 379 00:18:19,221 --> 00:18:22,971 and then split town three days after the murder. 380 00:18:22,971 --> 00:18:24,971 What are you trying to say? 381 00:18:24,971 --> 00:18:27,221 I want to talk to Frank Scott. 382 00:18:27,221 --> 00:18:29,138 You don't think it's weird that you found the hand 383 00:18:29,138 --> 00:18:30,930 on Michael O'Connor's property? 384 00:18:30,930 --> 00:18:33,930 And on the day Olivia was murdered, 385 00:18:33,930 --> 00:18:37,347 she called Michael O'Connor and talked to him for, like, a minute... 386 00:18:37,347 --> 00:18:39,805 - 52 seconds. - ...just before she died. 387 00:18:39,805 --> 00:18:42,889 Yeah, I did find that weird at the time. 388 00:18:44,096 --> 00:18:45,221 And? 389 00:18:48,639 --> 00:18:50,930 Believe it or not, you know, 390 00:18:50,930 --> 00:18:53,096 I followed up on that. 391 00:18:53,096 --> 00:18:55,639 There were witnesses to the call. 392 00:18:55,639 --> 00:18:57,055 Olivia was upset. 393 00:18:57,055 --> 00:18:59,055 She had had a fight with your brother. 394 00:18:59,055 --> 00:19:01,013 Michael tried to console her. 395 00:19:01,013 --> 00:19:03,180 He couldn't. 396 00:19:03,180 --> 00:19:05,680 Okay, don't you think it's weird that she... 397 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,805 that Michael and his associate, Tom Davis, 398 00:19:08,805 --> 00:19:10,971 flew to Turks and Caicos the very next day? 399 00:19:10,971 --> 00:19:14,221 As they did every New Year's. 400 00:19:14,221 --> 00:19:18,096 Same destination, same flight. 401 00:19:18,096 --> 00:19:19,889 You know what would've been weird? 402 00:19:19,889 --> 00:19:21,472 If they didn't leave. 403 00:19:21,472 --> 00:19:23,305 Have you re-interviewed him? 404 00:19:23,305 --> 00:19:26,180 - No. - Because? 405 00:19:26,180 --> 00:19:28,221 Because... 406 00:19:28,221 --> 00:19:31,263 because of what you've already read in my notes. 407 00:19:31,263 --> 00:19:32,764 He never left the house. 408 00:19:32,764 --> 00:19:34,971 His cell phone never left the house. 409 00:19:34,971 --> 00:19:38,263 - There were... - Witnesses, I get it. 410 00:19:38,263 --> 00:19:42,138 - Wait, was the hand...? - What, cut off in the murder? 411 00:19:42,138 --> 00:19:44,513 Not unless she was killed by a dozen tiny rodents 412 00:19:44,513 --> 00:19:47,847 over a period of 8 to 10 months, no. 413 00:19:47,847 --> 00:19:50,639 And, yes, we are checking all the old mine shafts 414 00:19:50,639 --> 00:19:52,597 that feed into that stream. 415 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:58,305 I got a question for you. 416 00:19:59,971 --> 00:20:02,347 You care so much about your brother Eric... 417 00:20:04,805 --> 00:20:07,263 Where were you when he needed you most? 418 00:20:09,305 --> 00:20:10,472 Hmm? 419 00:20:12,430 --> 00:20:14,347 And why now, four years later, 420 00:20:14,347 --> 00:20:17,305 are you suddenly all over this? 421 00:20:20,096 --> 00:20:24,055 I think I might have been wrong about Eric 422 00:20:24,055 --> 00:20:27,805 in this specific situation. 423 00:20:27,805 --> 00:20:30,722 Ah, oh. 424 00:20:30,722 --> 00:20:32,555 Okay. 425 00:20:32,555 --> 00:20:34,180 Hmm. 426 00:20:34,180 --> 00:20:35,513 Okay. 427 00:20:36,555 --> 00:20:38,055 So, this is about you. 428 00:20:43,805 --> 00:20:45,180 I mean, yeah. 429 00:20:46,764 --> 00:20:49,639 What? We went to the movies. 430 00:20:49,639 --> 00:20:51,513 "Hobbit." 431 00:20:51,513 --> 00:20:53,597 "Hobbit 2." 10:20 show. 432 00:20:53,597 --> 00:20:56,096 You took El Camino to Arroyo Parkway to the Eastridge Mall. 433 00:20:56,096 --> 00:20:59,347 It's all in the case notes. 434 00:20:59,347 --> 00:21:02,347 - Do you wanna stick with that? - Would you let me...? 435 00:21:02,347 --> 00:21:04,513 I'll ask the questions. 436 00:21:04,513 --> 00:21:06,513 Hey, so, all we need to know 437 00:21:06,513 --> 00:21:08,597 is if you and Joel, 438 00:21:08,597 --> 00:21:11,680 for whatever reason, 439 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:13,639 made up that story. 440 00:21:13,639 --> 00:21:18,221 I can find out now or we can talk later. 441 00:21:18,221 --> 00:21:20,055 I can find out then. 442 00:21:22,930 --> 00:21:24,055 Okay. 443 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:28,555 Okay. 444 00:21:28,555 --> 00:21:32,013 - If you're really asking me. - Yeah. 445 00:21:33,513 --> 00:21:36,764 I've got this to say about Joel. 446 00:21:36,764 --> 00:21:40,347 There's the Joel that everyone sees... 447 00:21:43,388 --> 00:21:46,221 and then there's the other Joel. 448 00:21:51,347 --> 00:21:54,263 I don't understand why that's emasculating. 449 00:21:54,263 --> 00:21:56,930 Oh, co... at the crime scene? 450 00:21:56,930 --> 00:21:58,388 In front of everybody? 451 00:21:58,388 --> 00:22:01,680 And making me have no choice about it? 452 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:03,680 Uh, where's Morgan? 453 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,597 At Owen's. I'll text Marney. 454 00:22:06,597 --> 00:22:08,639 And you know Frank. I mean... 455 00:22:08,639 --> 00:22:12,639 like I'm going to empower her to talk to him? 456 00:22:12,639 --> 00:22:14,263 To Frank? 457 00:22:14,263 --> 00:22:17,722 You're not empowering her. She already has the power. 458 00:22:17,722 --> 00:22:19,305 She's a private citizen. 459 00:22:19,305 --> 00:22:20,930 She can talk to whoever she wants. 460 00:22:20,930 --> 00:22:23,388 You're just afraid that... 'cause Frank is... 461 00:22:23,388 --> 00:22:26,096 - The loosest cannon ever. - That you're gonna lose control. 462 00:22:27,971 --> 00:22:31,722 I don't even know what it's control of. 463 00:22:31,722 --> 00:22:33,805 But this hand comes up, 464 00:22:33,805 --> 00:22:36,263 and then this girl shows up, 465 00:22:36,263 --> 00:22:41,639 and suddenly I have no choice but to follow somebody else's agenda and it's not mine. 466 00:22:41,639 --> 00:22:43,472 It sounds like she was right. 467 00:22:43,472 --> 00:22:46,597 - Which is beside the point. - Which is exactly the point. 468 00:22:46,597 --> 00:22:48,347 - No, it's not. - Yes. 469 00:22:48,347 --> 00:22:52,180 You had the case completely yanked away from you four years ago. 470 00:22:52,180 --> 00:22:53,971 You never liked the result, 471 00:22:53,971 --> 00:22:58,847 and if it was some dude who just suddenly showed up out of the blue, 472 00:22:58,847 --> 00:23:01,639 you would be saying to me, "Mel, oh, my God, 473 00:23:01,639 --> 00:23:03,639 the luckiest thing happened." 474 00:23:05,263 --> 00:23:07,847 I don't see where this is going. 475 00:23:07,847 --> 00:23:12,013 You were emasculated because it was a woman, 476 00:23:12,013 --> 00:23:13,639 is what I'm saying. 477 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:20,096 Okay. I believe you're correct. 478 00:23:20,096 --> 00:23:22,013 Yeah, I know. 479 00:23:22,013 --> 00:23:25,221 You'll be fine. You can handle her. 480 00:23:25,221 --> 00:23:29,055 You know who I would be worried about is Alan. 481 00:23:31,180 --> 00:23:35,096 Assuming she can get Joel back, when do you think that would be? 482 00:23:35,096 --> 00:23:37,472 Oh! And that's another thing. 483 00:23:37,472 --> 00:23:42,180 She's so supremely confident that she can get Joel to come back. 484 00:23:42,180 --> 00:23:44,055 I mean, Joel? 485 00:23:44,055 --> 00:23:46,639 Joel freaking hated it here by the end. 486 00:23:46,639 --> 00:23:48,513 I mean, come on, you saw his Facebook posts. 487 00:23:50,555 --> 00:23:53,889 He's a totally different guy down there. 488 00:23:53,889 --> 00:23:57,889 I say there's no way 489 00:23:57,889 --> 00:23:59,722 she'll get him to come back. 490 00:24:02,889 --> 00:24:03,889 What? 491 00:24:05,722 --> 00:24:08,639 I think you're underestimating this person. 492 00:24:11,055 --> 00:24:14,680 - We'll go right up these lilies here. - All right! Whoo-hoo! 493 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,180 Here we go! 494 00:24:16,180 --> 00:24:19,221 Oh, yeah! 495 00:24:19,221 --> 00:24:20,597 Whoo! 496 00:24:20,597 --> 00:24:22,722 - Whoo-hoo! - Whoo! 497 00:24:27,347 --> 00:24:29,889 What can kill an alligator? 498 00:24:29,889 --> 00:24:33,138 Let's see. What can hurt one of these things? 499 00:24:33,138 --> 00:24:34,889 What can harm an alligator? 500 00:24:36,388 --> 00:24:37,472 Nothing. 501 00:24:39,430 --> 00:24:43,513 Well, scratch that. We can. We're its only predators. 502 00:24:43,513 --> 00:24:45,639 Unless you keep leaning over the edge like that, Junior. 503 00:24:45,639 --> 00:24:46,722 Then things are gonna change. 504 00:24:49,722 --> 00:24:53,138 Uh, uh, Junior... 505 00:24:53,138 --> 00:24:55,096 - You see that out there? - Where? 506 00:24:55,096 --> 00:24:57,221 - Straight? - That's our little trophy. 507 00:24:57,221 --> 00:24:58,722 Straight ahead, right there! 508 00:24:58,722 --> 00:25:00,764 - Right there. - Let's not spook this one. 509 00:25:00,764 --> 00:25:02,897 See him right there just beyond that tree? 510 00:25:02,923 --> 00:25:03,430 Yeah. 511 00:25:03,430 --> 00:25:06,513 All right, the next job is get that sucker on the boat. 512 00:25:06,513 --> 00:25:08,305 Who's gonna do the deed? Ava? 513 00:25:08,305 --> 00:25:10,472 Thanks, but, no, thanks. 514 00:25:10,472 --> 00:25:13,639 Okay, definitely not Ava. How about you, Dad? 515 00:25:16,138 --> 00:25:18,013 - Taylor? - Oh, Junior? 516 00:25:18,013 --> 00:25:19,764 You gonna do it? 517 00:25:19,764 --> 00:25:21,805 - Huh? - I think so. 518 00:25:21,805 --> 00:25:23,138 All right. 519 00:25:23,138 --> 00:25:24,472 I thought you might be unsure, 520 00:25:24,472 --> 00:25:27,971 but you're gonna give her a go, huh? 521 00:25:27,971 --> 00:25:30,639 Put it on your shoulder, son. 522 00:25:30,639 --> 00:25:32,971 You ever handle one of these before? 523 00:25:32,971 --> 00:25:35,805 Not too many times. 524 00:25:35,805 --> 00:25:37,639 I know it's hard with that life preserver, 525 00:25:37,639 --> 00:25:41,472 but you just put her right up there on your arm there. 526 00:25:41,472 --> 00:25:44,930 Make sure it's on safety until you get that sucker ready. 527 00:25:44,930 --> 00:25:47,055 You're gonna wanna hit it just between the eyes here. 528 00:25:47,055 --> 00:25:49,933 That's the sweet... that's the sweet spot. 529 00:25:49,959 --> 00:25:51,472 Nice, deep breath. 530 00:25:51,472 --> 00:25:52,889 Nice, deep breath. 531 00:25:52,889 --> 00:25:55,138 You don't wanna ruin that trophy. 532 00:25:55,138 --> 00:25:56,472 Yeah! 533 00:25:56,472 --> 00:25:59,013 There you go, Junior! 534 00:26:03,347 --> 00:26:05,221 Skin's all rolled up. 535 00:26:05,221 --> 00:26:08,180 Tell Ty I sent you. He'll cut you a deal on that taxidermy. 536 00:26:08,180 --> 00:26:11,013 - Sounds good. - I got your meat on the ice here. 537 00:26:11,013 --> 00:26:13,055 Keep these "not for sale" stickers visible 538 00:26:13,055 --> 00:26:14,847 in case the DWF stops you. 539 00:26:14,847 --> 00:26:16,680 You are good to go. 540 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,263 - Thanks, Joel. - My pleasure. 541 00:26:18,263 --> 00:26:20,513 Buckshot, hold onto that. 542 00:26:20,513 --> 00:26:21,639 Bye. 543 00:26:21,639 --> 00:26:22,930 Hope you had a great time. 544 00:26:22,930 --> 00:26:25,221 If you did, we're Big Bayou Gator Guides. 545 00:26:25,221 --> 00:26:29,096 If not, we're Outdoor Adventures, as the joke goes. 546 00:26:29,096 --> 00:26:32,180 Thanks, Pat. 547 00:26:32,180 --> 00:26:34,889 Hope they got the sizes right this time. 548 00:26:45,347 --> 00:26:46,722 Bobby. 549 00:26:48,513 --> 00:26:50,263 Oh, hi. 550 00:26:50,263 --> 00:26:53,430 I didn't see you there. Can I help you with something? 551 00:26:53,430 --> 00:26:55,764 - Are you Joel Hurley? - I am. 552 00:26:55,764 --> 00:26:57,555 Oh, thank God. 553 00:26:59,513 --> 00:27:02,221 Can we go somewhere and talk? 554 00:27:02,221 --> 00:27:06,221 Ugh! 555 00:27:07,971 --> 00:27:10,805 Bobby! Sorry. 556 00:27:10,805 --> 00:27:12,597 They got the kids large again. 557 00:27:12,597 --> 00:27:14,055 You gotta call them about next week. 558 00:27:14,055 --> 00:27:16,055 I still haven't gotten their thing. 559 00:27:16,055 --> 00:27:18,721 I'll give them a shout and get it straight. 560 00:27:18,747 --> 00:27:19,388 Sorry. 561 00:27:19,388 --> 00:27:20,930 Is this your art? 562 00:27:20,930 --> 00:27:22,263 It is. 563 00:27:33,096 --> 00:27:35,597 Do you recognize me? 564 00:27:35,597 --> 00:27:37,096 Should I? 565 00:27:37,096 --> 00:27:39,639 I'm Petra Neill. I'm Eric Neill's sister. 566 00:27:41,388 --> 00:27:44,889 - Please, just hear me out. - Look, I hardly knew him. 567 00:27:44,889 --> 00:27:47,597 - And from what I did know... - I know he could be complicated. 568 00:27:47,597 --> 00:27:50,930 No, he could be an asshole is what he could be, to be honest. 569 00:27:50,930 --> 00:27:54,597 Well, he said that you were a good guy. 570 00:27:54,597 --> 00:27:58,263 He said you might be the only one who could help me. 571 00:27:58,263 --> 00:27:59,971 He said you'd at least listen. 572 00:27:59,971 --> 00:28:01,263 Please. 573 00:28:05,263 --> 00:28:07,055 Do you mind if we change the music? 574 00:28:07,055 --> 00:28:10,555 - Sure. To what? - Silence. 575 00:28:10,555 --> 00:28:15,971 Okay, the music is now silence. 576 00:28:15,971 --> 00:28:17,889 What's up? 577 00:28:17,889 --> 00:28:21,971 Do you remember one night, maybe a week or two before the murder, 578 00:28:21,971 --> 00:28:25,180 when you saw someone on the property and you chased him off? 579 00:28:25,180 --> 00:28:26,555 Why? 580 00:28:26,555 --> 00:28:29,472 You told Eric about it that night. 581 00:28:29,472 --> 00:28:31,305 You said his name was Cameron. 582 00:28:31,305 --> 00:28:33,639 I think, uh... 583 00:28:36,305 --> 00:28:39,805 someone told me then that it would've been Cameron, 584 00:28:39,805 --> 00:28:41,722 so, sure, Cameron. 585 00:28:41,722 --> 00:28:43,430 I need to find him. 586 00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:45,388 Well, I saw him for about 10 seconds. 587 00:28:45,388 --> 00:28:47,347 It was in the dark. It was the woods. 588 00:28:47,347 --> 00:28:50,388 He got in the car and drove off, so I'd have no idea on how to locate him. 589 00:28:50,388 --> 00:28:53,513 So he could... he said those will work until we get the 400s. 590 00:28:53,513 --> 00:28:56,930 There was someone in that car that Cameron got into. 591 00:28:56,930 --> 00:29:00,847 And you told Eric back then that you might know him. 592 00:29:00,847 --> 00:29:04,347 I think I said that he might have looked vaguely familiar, yeah. 593 00:29:04,347 --> 00:29:06,513 You said he was a bartender. 594 00:29:06,513 --> 00:29:08,639 Look, I don't know. It was four years ago. 595 00:29:08,639 --> 00:29:10,388 Do you remember which bar? 596 00:29:10,388 --> 00:29:14,180 Oh, God, I... I really don't know. 597 00:29:14,180 --> 00:29:17,513 Please don't tell me this is what you flew all the way down here to find out. 598 00:29:27,305 --> 00:29:28,764 Keep going. I'm listening. 599 00:29:30,555 --> 00:29:32,513 I believe my brother is innocent. 600 00:29:32,513 --> 00:29:35,138 Of the crime that he confessed to committing? 601 00:29:35,138 --> 00:29:37,764 He pled out without admitting guilt. 602 00:29:37,764 --> 00:29:39,347 He had no other choice. 603 00:29:40,930 --> 00:29:45,013 The media, his lawyer, everyone rushed to judgment. 604 00:29:45,013 --> 00:29:47,305 But they never found a body. 605 00:29:47,305 --> 00:29:50,555 And I believe that if I can prove there were other suspects, 606 00:29:50,555 --> 00:29:52,889 people that the attorney overlooked, 607 00:29:52,889 --> 00:29:55,221 then I believe I can get him an appeal. 608 00:29:55,221 --> 00:29:57,055 Now, after all this time? 609 00:29:57,055 --> 00:29:58,971 There's new information. 610 00:29:58,971 --> 00:30:02,180 In prison, someone told Eric that that guy Cameron 611 00:30:02,180 --> 00:30:04,971 was talking about a safe in Olivia's studio 612 00:30:04,971 --> 00:30:07,138 and how she kept cash and drawings in there. 613 00:30:07,138 --> 00:30:10,305 And Eric has been writing to his lawyer, but... 614 00:30:10,305 --> 00:30:11,639 don't get me started on her. 615 00:30:11,639 --> 00:30:15,889 So, please... 616 00:30:15,889 --> 00:30:19,847 do you think maybe you can remember which bar? 617 00:30:19,847 --> 00:30:22,930 If I can find out who that bartender is, 618 00:30:22,930 --> 00:30:24,430 I think maybe I can find Cameron. 619 00:30:24,430 --> 00:30:27,555 You know the town. There are a lot of bars. 620 00:30:27,555 --> 00:30:30,430 Could you point it out if you were standing there? 621 00:30:30,430 --> 00:30:34,055 I don't know. Possibly. 622 00:30:34,055 --> 00:30:36,096 Would you know him if you saw him? 623 00:30:36,096 --> 00:30:37,722 What are you asking me? 624 00:30:39,305 --> 00:30:41,096 No, I can't go back there. 625 00:30:41,096 --> 00:30:43,305 Just for a day or two. That's all I need. 626 00:30:43,305 --> 00:30:46,764 Please. You know the area. You lived on the property. 627 00:30:46,764 --> 00:30:48,430 You know the town, you know the people. 628 00:30:48,430 --> 00:30:49,597 Knew. 629 00:30:51,221 --> 00:30:53,263 Please, just think about it? 630 00:30:54,805 --> 00:30:56,096 Here's my number. 631 00:30:59,555 --> 00:31:02,555 I have no one else I can turn to. 632 00:31:02,555 --> 00:31:05,472 You're literally the only person on the planet who could help me. 633 00:31:07,430 --> 00:31:08,513 Please. 634 00:31:09,722 --> 00:31:11,722 I'm sorry. I can't. 635 00:31:25,889 --> 00:31:27,930 - Hey, babe. - How was work, honey? 636 00:31:27,930 --> 00:31:28,847 Fine. 637 00:31:32,472 --> 00:31:34,639 What's going on? 638 00:31:34,639 --> 00:31:39,472 So, this is all just about finding Cameron, really? 639 00:31:43,513 --> 00:31:45,221 Yeah. 640 00:31:45,221 --> 00:31:47,847 You... I mean, the weird thing 641 00:31:47,847 --> 00:31:52,096 is that I was gonna tell the police back then about Cameron, 642 00:31:52,096 --> 00:31:54,180 but, you know, I just got caught up 643 00:31:54,180 --> 00:31:56,722 in the whole "Eric, Eric" thing with everybody else, and... 644 00:31:57,971 --> 00:31:59,430 I mean, even when we got here, 645 00:31:59,430 --> 00:32:01,472 it just... it still kept eating at me, 646 00:32:01,472 --> 00:32:05,263 that look on Cameron's face that night. 647 00:32:05,263 --> 00:32:08,388 It was... like, you know how crocodiles, 648 00:32:08,388 --> 00:32:10,555 they have that lower row of teeth 649 00:32:10,555 --> 00:32:13,555 like they're smiling at you, like they know something about you? 650 00:32:14,847 --> 00:32:16,221 That was Cameron. 651 00:32:18,388 --> 00:32:20,971 Then Eric confesses and four years go by 652 00:32:20,971 --> 00:32:24,597 and Olivia's hand shows up 653 00:32:24,597 --> 00:32:27,764 and his sister flies down to Louisiana, 654 00:32:27,764 --> 00:32:30,472 and now, fuck. 655 00:32:30,472 --> 00:32:33,513 So, what's the problem? 656 00:32:40,055 --> 00:32:43,472 There's a reason we left there, and it wasn't just Olivia. 657 00:32:43,472 --> 00:32:47,722 To be honest, I don't think I can go back there again. 658 00:32:49,597 --> 00:32:51,305 Why are you looking at me like that? 659 00:32:51,305 --> 00:32:53,180 Well, of course you can. 660 00:32:54,805 --> 00:32:57,971 I swore to myself I never would. 661 00:33:00,055 --> 00:33:03,555 Yeah, but you're different now. 662 00:33:03,555 --> 00:33:05,096 Everything's different now. 663 00:33:06,639 --> 00:33:08,513 I know you don't believe in the universe... 664 00:33:08,513 --> 00:33:10,847 Well, I believe it exists. 665 00:33:10,847 --> 00:33:14,055 But you don't believe it gives you opportunities. 666 00:33:14,055 --> 00:33:16,764 Oh, it really hasn't. 667 00:33:16,764 --> 00:33:20,263 Well, what if the one thing between... 668 00:33:20,263 --> 00:33:23,513 - How long is it total? - 15 to 20. 669 00:33:23,513 --> 00:33:27,388 Yeah, well, what if the difference between 16 more years of jail 670 00:33:27,388 --> 00:33:29,805 and his sudden freedom is you? 671 00:33:33,597 --> 00:33:35,930 How come you get to be so perfect? 672 00:33:35,930 --> 00:33:39,263 - Because I don't. - Because you do. 673 00:33:41,430 --> 00:33:42,971 And you are. 674 00:33:47,055 --> 00:33:49,597 I still can't believe we made it here. 675 00:33:54,305 --> 00:33:55,472 Come here. 676 00:34:06,639 --> 00:34:08,138 I love you. 677 00:34:08,138 --> 00:34:09,930 I love you, too. 678 00:35:14,722 --> 00:35:17,096 It's kind of okay, actually. 679 00:35:17,096 --> 00:35:21,971 In my mind, Summit had morphed into this Arkham, 680 00:35:21,971 --> 00:35:25,096 Hellboy, Lovecrafty, Salem, Hall of Ghosts thing, 681 00:35:25,096 --> 00:35:27,388 and then I get here and it's like, 682 00:35:27,388 --> 00:35:30,889 "Oh, right, it's just craft stores and galleries 683 00:35:30,889 --> 00:35:33,138 and... here's a word I don't use that often... 684 00:35:33,138 --> 00:35:34,764 it's quaint." 685 00:35:36,055 --> 00:35:37,639 And she is in a pipe dream. 686 00:35:37,639 --> 00:35:41,096 I don't wanna say I feel sorry for her, but... 687 00:35:41,096 --> 00:35:44,180 Uh, all right. Speak to you soon, love. 688 00:35:44,180 --> 00:35:46,971 We're off to go track down a ghost. 689 00:35:46,971 --> 00:35:49,930 Yeah. Love you, too. Bye. 690 00:35:49,930 --> 00:35:51,096 - Sorry. - Got you one anyway. 691 00:35:51,096 --> 00:35:52,472 - Thanks. - It's okay. 692 00:35:52,472 --> 00:35:54,430 Oh, here. Also if you need it. 693 00:35:54,430 --> 00:35:56,347 I need to step away for a few minutes. 694 00:35:56,347 --> 00:35:58,764 I have some things I need to take care of. 695 00:35:58,764 --> 00:36:01,430 Uh, wait, seriously? 696 00:36:01,430 --> 00:36:03,096 Yeah, I... I, uh... 697 00:36:03,096 --> 00:36:05,221 I gotta follow up on some stuff that I started the other day. 698 00:36:05,221 --> 00:36:07,722 But if you find anything, just text me. 699 00:36:07,722 --> 00:36:09,971 - All right. - Otherwise, an hour, hour and a half? 700 00:36:09,971 --> 00:36:11,930 Yeah, all right. 701 00:36:11,930 --> 00:36:13,388 I'll, uh... 702 00:36:13,388 --> 00:36:17,305 I'll just go track down the dude that knew Cameron. 703 00:36:17,305 --> 00:36:18,889 Great. 704 00:36:18,889 --> 00:36:20,388 Yeah, should be easy. 705 00:36:20,388 --> 00:36:22,347 - All right. - Okay. 706 00:36:22,347 --> 00:36:24,180 - Hour. - Oh, and, Joel? 707 00:36:24,180 --> 00:36:27,472 - Yeah? - Seriously, thank you. 708 00:36:29,055 --> 00:36:31,347 Yeah, of course. 709 00:36:31,347 --> 00:36:33,513 - All right, I'll see you soon. - Okay. 710 00:37:51,180 --> 00:37:53,388 Yeah, shit, I remember that clown. 711 00:37:53,388 --> 00:37:57,096 If you do find him, tell him he still owes me for two months. 712 00:37:57,096 --> 00:38:00,180 Better yet, bring him here. I'll tell him myself. 713 00:38:00,180 --> 00:38:02,639 Well, he was here with a girl, though, right? 714 00:38:02,639 --> 00:38:05,388 Yeah, poor little seƱorita. She didn't know what hit her. 715 00:38:05,388 --> 00:38:07,555 Then that guy, pfft, bolts 716 00:38:07,555 --> 00:38:09,847 day before Christmas. 717 00:38:12,263 --> 00:38:13,889 Any idea where she is? 718 00:38:13,889 --> 00:38:17,930 Mmm, I wanna say she was gone about a week later. 719 00:38:17,930 --> 00:38:19,847 She's Mexican. 720 00:38:19,847 --> 00:38:21,722 Could be anywhere. 721 00:38:21,722 --> 00:38:23,930 She got a name? 722 00:38:23,930 --> 00:38:26,138 Yeah, Leticia. 723 00:38:26,138 --> 00:38:28,263 I can't remember the last name, 724 00:38:28,263 --> 00:38:29,764 but I remember Leticia. 725 00:38:30,889 --> 00:38:32,597 Pretty name. 726 00:38:58,055 --> 00:38:59,513 Don't blame our town. 727 00:38:59,513 --> 00:39:02,805 I'm told you need suffering to make art. 728 00:39:02,805 --> 00:39:06,347 Yeah, but it's the artist who's supposed to suffer. 729 00:39:06,347 --> 00:39:09,013 - Ah. - You owe me a dollar. 730 00:39:09,013 --> 00:39:11,805 Yes, I do. 731 00:39:11,805 --> 00:39:13,805 Did he put up a fight? 732 00:39:13,805 --> 00:39:18,138 Mmm, a bit, but not. 733 00:39:18,138 --> 00:39:21,847 Hey, how did he seem? 734 00:39:21,847 --> 00:39:24,805 How are things with him and Laura? 735 00:39:24,805 --> 00:39:26,722 Seemed like he had a good thing going down there, 736 00:39:26,722 --> 00:39:28,639 if that's what you mean. 737 00:39:28,639 --> 00:39:31,305 Sweet girl, Laura. 738 00:39:31,305 --> 00:39:33,305 We used to joke that she'd need a neck brace 739 00:39:33,305 --> 00:39:35,263 the way that she would look up to him. 740 00:39:52,764 --> 00:39:55,597 - Hi. - Hey. 741 00:39:55,597 --> 00:39:57,847 Two beers, please. Whatever's your local best. 742 00:39:57,847 --> 00:39:59,971 She'll have a Polygamist Porter 743 00:39:59,971 --> 00:40:02,180 and I'll have a Diet Coke, please. 744 00:40:02,180 --> 00:40:04,680 - You guys have Advil? - No. Sorry. 745 00:40:08,472 --> 00:40:10,680 - Thanks. - Oh, sure. 746 00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,347 And thank you for your message about Cameron's old apartment. 747 00:40:13,347 --> 00:40:15,180 There's a guy checking on the bills 748 00:40:15,180 --> 00:40:18,764 and hoping to get something about the old girlfriend... 749 00:40:18,764 --> 00:40:20,388 - Great. - ...and maybe a forwarding address. 750 00:40:20,388 --> 00:40:23,180 - So, well done. - Great. 751 00:40:23,180 --> 00:40:25,513 - Thank you. - Thank you. 752 00:40:25,513 --> 00:40:28,055 And congratulations to me, too, I guess. 753 00:40:28,055 --> 00:40:30,722 - For? - Being smart enough to bring you here. 754 00:40:30,722 --> 00:40:34,388 You did more in 60 minutes than I did in three days, so thank you. 755 00:40:34,388 --> 00:40:37,013 Aw, thanks. Just trying to help. 756 00:40:39,889 --> 00:40:41,722 So, I, uh... I just have a few questions, 757 00:40:41,722 --> 00:40:43,597 mostly about the property. 758 00:40:43,597 --> 00:40:45,680 Oh, uh, one sec. Um... 759 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:49,055 Sorry. Wife has a question about a house thing. 760 00:40:49,055 --> 00:40:52,597 Sha, na, na, na, na, na, na, na. 761 00:40:52,597 --> 00:40:54,138 Uh, sorry. 762 00:40:54,138 --> 00:40:55,555 We know the murder happened 763 00:40:55,555 --> 00:40:58,096 somewhere between 10:15 and 11:45. 764 00:40:58,096 --> 00:40:59,555 Do we know that for sure? 765 00:40:59,555 --> 00:41:02,430 Well, Olivia was seen leaving the party at 10:04. 766 00:41:02,430 --> 00:41:05,347 And then a guy overhears her and Eric 767 00:41:05,347 --> 00:41:07,263 having an argument at the studio at 10:10. 768 00:41:07,263 --> 00:41:08,680 Then she calls her neighbor up the hill, 769 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,305 and then her friend JC at 10:16, 770 00:41:12,305 --> 00:41:14,180 the last anyone ever heard from her. 771 00:41:14,180 --> 00:41:16,305 Oh, sidebar... 772 00:41:16,305 --> 00:41:18,305 you know the people up the hill, O'Connor? 773 00:41:18,305 --> 00:41:20,138 Do you know that they own the Red Room? 774 00:41:21,722 --> 00:41:24,055 Oh, please, please don't tell me 775 00:41:24,055 --> 00:41:25,764 you don't know what the Red Room is. 776 00:41:25,764 --> 00:41:28,430 Is that like a "50 Shades of Grey" thing? 777 00:41:31,096 --> 00:41:32,805 It's a private art collection. 778 00:41:32,805 --> 00:41:35,055 Individually, some incredible pieces. 779 00:41:35,055 --> 00:41:37,096 Overall, no unifying aesthetic. 780 00:41:37,096 --> 00:41:40,764 They had a piece from... from it on loan at the Denver Art Museum, 781 00:41:40,764 --> 00:41:44,597 this obscure French Impressionist, Henri-Edmond Cross. 782 00:41:44,597 --> 00:41:46,263 When I was 12, my mother and I sat 783 00:41:46,263 --> 00:41:47,764 in front of it for literally six hours. 784 00:41:47,764 --> 00:41:49,430 Well, if you would've told me they had, 785 00:41:49,430 --> 00:41:53,096 like, a Brian Bolland or a Will Eisner or something, then... 786 00:41:53,096 --> 00:41:54,513 Don't tell me you don't know 787 00:41:54,513 --> 00:41:56,472 who the father of the graphic novel is. 788 00:41:56,472 --> 00:41:58,138 My interest in American art 789 00:41:58,138 --> 00:42:00,347 ended with Hopper's "Intermedio" in 1963. 790 00:42:00,347 --> 00:42:02,722 Well, Eisner was before, but, you know, whatever. 791 00:42:02,722 --> 00:42:04,555 Anyhow... 792 00:42:04,555 --> 00:42:06,305 - Her wounds. - Her wounds. 793 00:42:06,305 --> 00:42:08,138 Yes, her wounds were... 794 00:42:08,138 --> 00:42:09,680 they were from a variety of things, 795 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,305 but they believe the death blow to be 796 00:42:11,305 --> 00:42:12,472 from multiple hammer strikes. 797 00:42:12,472 --> 00:42:14,971 And there was some flesh... 798 00:42:14,971 --> 00:42:17,221 piece of flesh they found on the wall, a tiny speck, 799 00:42:17,221 --> 00:42:19,680 and in it were bug eggs. 800 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,096 Sorry. Uh, wife thing. 801 00:42:22,096 --> 00:42:24,722 - Bug eggs. - Blowflies. 802 00:42:24,722 --> 00:42:27,639 Which puts it no later than 11:45. 803 00:42:27,639 --> 00:42:29,513 So I'm trying to figure out 804 00:42:29,513 --> 00:42:33,722 who was where between 10:15 and 11:45 p.m. 805 00:42:33,722 --> 00:42:36,472 Well, I can't really be of any help on that 806 00:42:36,472 --> 00:42:38,680 because I was at a 10:20 movie 807 00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:40,347 that was at Eastridge. 808 00:42:40,347 --> 00:42:44,013 So I left the property about 9:45... 809 00:42:44,013 --> 00:42:47,805 or 9:46, which I weirdly remember. 810 00:42:49,055 --> 00:42:52,013 Wow, a movie New Year's Eve. 811 00:42:52,013 --> 00:42:53,263 Crazy. 812 00:42:53,263 --> 00:42:55,639 I know, right? And trust me, I, uh... 813 00:42:55,639 --> 00:42:57,764 I wasn't one to avoid a party. 814 00:42:57,764 --> 00:43:00,513 It's just the truth is 815 00:43:00,513 --> 00:43:04,388 me and my then girlfriend, now wife, 816 00:43:04,388 --> 00:43:06,305 had had a little fight. 817 00:43:06,305 --> 00:43:08,013 You weren't texting her enough? 818 00:43:08,013 --> 00:43:10,180 Sorry. 819 00:43:10,180 --> 00:43:12,221 Let me turn this thing off. 820 00:43:14,472 --> 00:43:16,722 Uh, yeah, so. 821 00:43:18,263 --> 00:43:20,847 So, yeah, you said that, you, uh, 822 00:43:20,847 --> 00:43:23,347 once saw Cameron on the property 823 00:43:23,347 --> 00:43:24,971 out by the studio? 824 00:43:24,971 --> 00:43:28,555 It was actually by the, uh, story trail, actually. 825 00:43:28,555 --> 00:43:30,555 Could you show me exactly? 826 00:43:33,096 --> 00:43:34,597 Sure. 827 00:43:34,597 --> 00:43:36,221 Look, it's simple. 828 00:43:36,221 --> 00:43:39,055 All you do is find a way to get him alone. 829 00:43:39,055 --> 00:43:40,805 Then you casually bring it up 830 00:43:40,805 --> 00:43:43,055 and let him do the rest. 831 00:43:44,639 --> 00:43:47,180 Should I wear a wire? 832 00:43:47,180 --> 00:43:49,555 Wha... no. 833 00:43:49,555 --> 00:43:51,388 Why? 834 00:43:51,388 --> 00:43:54,555 - Wha... are you joking? - Well, I don't know. 835 00:43:54,555 --> 00:43:58,180 - Whenever this happens on "The Wire"... - "The Wire." 836 00:43:58,180 --> 00:44:01,013 It's called "The Wire," 837 00:44:01,013 --> 00:44:04,597 so, yes, of course they have wires. 838 00:44:06,347 --> 00:44:08,263 But this is Summit, man. 839 00:44:08,263 --> 00:44:10,180 We don't have wires. 840 00:44:10,180 --> 00:44:14,055 We just have one guy says something 841 00:44:14,055 --> 00:44:15,930 and another guy tells a third guy. 842 00:44:15,930 --> 00:44:17,889 Okay. 843 00:44:17,889 --> 00:44:19,305 Hey! 844 00:44:19,305 --> 00:44:21,764 All you need to do is this. 845 00:44:21,764 --> 00:44:24,889 If he asks you to stick to the story 846 00:44:24,889 --> 00:44:28,930 or to continue the lie in any way, 847 00:44:28,930 --> 00:44:30,430 you just tell me. 848 00:44:36,639 --> 00:44:39,430 Frank, what's the matter? 849 00:44:39,430 --> 00:44:41,096 We didn't even know about the murder 850 00:44:41,096 --> 00:44:42,971 when we agreed to this. 851 00:44:42,971 --> 00:44:46,680 Ah. Dude, you're not in trouble. 852 00:44:48,305 --> 00:44:49,472 Okay. 853 00:44:51,221 --> 00:44:53,513 You swear to God? 854 00:44:53,513 --> 00:44:56,096 - Yes. - Is Joel? 855 00:44:56,096 --> 00:44:57,930 I don't know. 856 00:44:59,847 --> 00:45:00,889 Maybe not. 857 00:45:00,889 --> 00:45:02,847 Hopefully not. Hey, hopefully not. 858 00:45:02,847 --> 00:45:05,639 Enough to get this girl to bring him back up here. 859 00:45:05,639 --> 00:45:07,805 Doesn't mean that he's in trouble. 860 00:45:07,805 --> 00:45:09,971 He's just... he's... 861 00:45:09,971 --> 00:45:12,305 he's of interest. 862 00:45:12,305 --> 00:45:15,180 How the fuck did she get him to come back anyway? 863 00:45:17,971 --> 00:45:21,597 Oh, you gotta be freaking kidding me! 864 00:45:21,597 --> 00:45:22,889 She brought him to the site. 865 00:45:22,889 --> 00:45:24,263 I gotta go. 866 00:45:24,263 --> 00:45:26,221 Hold on. What do I do? 867 00:45:26,221 --> 00:45:30,263 What do you mean? Stay, eat. 868 00:45:30,263 --> 00:45:32,639 But no acting, all right? 869 00:45:32,639 --> 00:45:34,805 Don't act, just... 870 00:45:34,805 --> 00:45:36,971 just be normal, man, all right? 871 00:45:36,971 --> 00:45:38,930 So, her one big book... 872 00:45:38,930 --> 00:45:40,263 well, I'm sure you read it. 873 00:45:40,263 --> 00:45:41,847 Everyone's read it. 874 00:45:41,847 --> 00:45:43,013 Mm-mm. 875 00:45:43,013 --> 00:45:44,889 No? 876 00:45:44,889 --> 00:45:47,138 "Whose Woods These Are." 877 00:45:47,138 --> 00:45:50,180 You read it one way, it's the story of this poor hunter 878 00:45:50,180 --> 00:45:53,971 who tries to protect his family from this evil monster bear. 879 00:45:53,971 --> 00:45:56,430 You turn it over and read it the other way, 880 00:45:56,430 --> 00:45:59,555 it's the story of this poor bear who tries to rescue his mom 881 00:45:59,555 --> 00:46:02,472 from the trap of this evil monster hunter. 882 00:46:02,472 --> 00:46:05,639 - Hmm. - Not a bad idea, right. 883 00:46:05,639 --> 00:46:08,722 - Pick a direction. - Wherever Cameron was. 884 00:46:08,722 --> 00:46:11,764 Well, it's a circle. They both end up at the same place. 885 00:46:13,221 --> 00:46:15,388 Good choice. 886 00:46:15,388 --> 00:46:18,847 So anyway, she'd lead these "story walks," she'd called them... 887 00:46:18,847 --> 00:46:22,680 Cub Scouts, field trips, Girl Scouts. 888 00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:26,263 It was like she'd never tire of telling her one story. 889 00:46:26,263 --> 00:46:29,013 - Well, that's sweet. - Well, I guess. 890 00:46:29,013 --> 00:46:32,597 Or she just couldn't move on, maybe. 891 00:46:32,597 --> 00:46:35,388 Anyways, at night when I'd just need to clear my head, 892 00:46:35,388 --> 00:46:37,889 I'd come out here and I'd walk the property. 893 00:46:37,889 --> 00:46:40,764 So, on that night, I'm walking along, and all of a sudden... boom... 894 00:46:40,764 --> 00:46:45,680 he and this other guy, like I just caught them at something, right here. 895 00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,472 Then they just disappeared off into the dark. 896 00:46:48,472 --> 00:46:49,097 And so you... 897 00:46:49,123 --> 00:46:51,597 Went to the main house, which is right over here, 898 00:46:51,597 --> 00:46:52,597 and I told your brother. 899 00:46:53,597 --> 00:46:54,971 Where'd you live? 900 00:46:57,013 --> 00:47:00,347 In the barn. 901 00:47:00,347 --> 00:47:02,347 I was there with all the other strays. 902 00:47:02,347 --> 00:47:04,347 She was always picking up strays... 903 00:47:04,347 --> 00:47:06,597 cats, dogs, people. 904 00:47:07,639 --> 00:47:08,889 You lived in a barn? 905 00:47:08,889 --> 00:47:11,722 Well, I grew up on a farm. 906 00:47:11,722 --> 00:47:12,889 She had horses. 907 00:47:12,889 --> 00:47:14,889 Seemed like a good idea. 908 00:47:14,889 --> 00:47:18,930 And then the reality was I was just a guy living in a barn. 909 00:47:18,930 --> 00:47:21,597 Not the idea you had when you first got here, I assume. 910 00:47:21,597 --> 00:47:23,263 It's a long story. 911 00:47:23,263 --> 00:47:24,764 You ever meet her? 912 00:47:24,764 --> 00:47:28,805 Once, at Thanksgiving. 913 00:47:28,805 --> 00:47:30,263 Not so fun? 914 00:47:32,096 --> 00:47:34,096 It was an attempt. 915 00:47:34,096 --> 00:47:36,764 But I can tell there is no chance 916 00:47:36,764 --> 00:47:39,138 this Dennis Klein guy 917 00:47:39,138 --> 00:47:40,263 is legit. 918 00:47:40,263 --> 00:47:41,555 One thing we know 919 00:47:41,555 --> 00:47:44,138 is what a scam artist looks like. 920 00:47:44,138 --> 00:47:46,472 Am I right? So, I'm like... 921 00:47:46,472 --> 00:47:48,764 He says, "If I'm not absolutely right, 922 00:47:48,764 --> 00:47:50,430 you have to buy me a drink." 923 00:47:50,430 --> 00:47:53,013 And whammo, to a tee. 924 00:47:54,805 --> 00:47:57,180 So, then he starts telling me why he's here. 925 00:47:57,180 --> 00:47:59,055 Why was Eric here? 926 00:47:59,055 --> 00:48:01,347 Wanted to change his life, didn't want to be the Grim Reaper... 927 00:48:01,347 --> 00:48:04,347 Actually, hon, I feel like I'm monopolizing this whole thing. 928 00:48:04,347 --> 00:48:07,305 Petra, what do you do? 929 00:48:07,305 --> 00:48:08,971 - She is... - I do many things. 930 00:48:08,971 --> 00:48:11,639 - ...major into the art world. - Peripherally. 931 00:48:11,639 --> 00:48:13,555 She restores art, 932 00:48:13,555 --> 00:48:14,847 she teaches, she writes books. 933 00:48:14,847 --> 00:48:16,430 About? 934 00:48:16,430 --> 00:48:19,055 She got 600 pages 935 00:48:19,055 --> 00:48:22,013 into one about the Italian Divisionists... 936 00:48:22,013 --> 00:48:23,889 see, I read your e-mails... 937 00:48:23,889 --> 00:48:25,513 and then she's like, "Wait a minute, 938 00:48:25,513 --> 00:48:27,347 maybe those critics back at the"... 939 00:48:27,347 --> 00:48:28,847 - whatever they're called... - Salons. 940 00:48:28,847 --> 00:48:30,180 "The ones who trashed the Divisionists 941 00:48:30,180 --> 00:48:31,639 back in the day, maybe they were right." 942 00:48:31,639 --> 00:48:33,597 And she throws her book away and starts again. 943 00:48:33,597 --> 00:48:35,639 Well, they were right, right? 944 00:48:35,639 --> 00:48:38,639 I mean, when was that? Like, 1894? 945 00:48:38,639 --> 00:48:40,055 - '96. - '96. 946 00:48:40,055 --> 00:48:41,847 Well, they were spot-on. 947 00:48:41,847 --> 00:48:45,388 Well, my beef was the overt social overtones... 948 00:48:45,388 --> 00:48:46,680 Oh, I get your beef. 949 00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:48,180 I'm totally with you. I get it. 950 00:48:48,180 --> 00:48:49,639 I mean, the powerful are corrupt. 951 00:48:49,639 --> 00:48:51,889 Art is needed by the disinherited. 952 00:48:51,889 --> 00:48:54,555 I mean, if I want a message, send me a fucking telegram. 953 00:48:54,555 --> 00:48:57,555 Yeah, Olivia, 1943 just called. 954 00:48:57,555 --> 00:48:59,180 They'd like their once topical 955 00:48:59,180 --> 00:49:00,930 "send me a telegram" reference back. 956 00:49:00,930 --> 00:49:03,388 Hello, JC. 957 00:49:03,388 --> 00:49:05,597 Hello, 2007 called, 958 00:49:05,597 --> 00:49:08,764 and they want their fill-in-the-blank call joke back. 959 00:49:11,639 --> 00:49:12,889 It's all overrated... 960 00:49:12,889 --> 00:49:14,722 the neos, the pointillists. 961 00:49:14,722 --> 00:49:17,971 Really? You don't think understanding the science 962 00:49:17,971 --> 00:49:19,555 of how the eye perceives light is... 963 00:49:19,555 --> 00:49:21,764 Has nothing to do with art. 964 00:49:21,764 --> 00:49:22,971 I mean, come on. 965 00:49:22,971 --> 00:49:26,221 Yeah, can we measure human emotions 966 00:49:26,221 --> 00:49:28,597 through the chemical, the synaptical, 967 00:49:28,597 --> 00:49:33,847 the sciency-wiency... whatever... events? 968 00:49:33,847 --> 00:49:35,263 Sure. 969 00:49:35,263 --> 00:49:37,430 But at the core of it, 970 00:49:37,430 --> 00:49:41,138 end of day, you have to feel it. 971 00:49:41,138 --> 00:49:44,055 You can't think art... 972 00:49:44,055 --> 00:49:46,971 teach art, write about it. 973 00:49:46,971 --> 00:49:48,513 Um, didn't we just establish 974 00:49:48,513 --> 00:49:51,013 she thinks, teaches, and writes about art? 975 00:49:53,347 --> 00:49:57,555 The most beautiful piece of art I've ever seen 976 00:49:57,555 --> 00:50:01,430 was drawn by an 11-year-old girl in 15 minutes. 977 00:50:01,430 --> 00:50:03,347 It... it's no technique. 978 00:50:03,347 --> 00:50:06,805 But it was raw, it was pure. 979 00:50:08,305 --> 00:50:10,347 Of course, it was about me, 980 00:50:10,347 --> 00:50:13,221 so, maybe I'm exaggerating a little bit. 981 00:50:13,221 --> 00:50:15,930 Just eat your pie. Sorry.72764

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