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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:09,593 --> 00:00:12,388 Hello. 2 00:00:12,596 --> 00:00:14,098 Yeah. 3 00:00:14,306 --> 00:00:17,351 Uh, we're going to go on a mission right now. 4 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:19,812 Uh, so will you come with me? 5 00:00:22,648 --> 00:00:23,691 Oh. 6 00:00:23,899 --> 00:00:25,026 You will. 7 00:00:32,575 --> 00:00:33,993 So I'm going down the street, and I get a hit. 8 00:00:35,453 --> 00:00:36,620 Heath, Heath, Heath... 9 00:00:36,829 --> 00:00:38,914 and, sure enough, the next day, I said, 10 00:00:39,123 --> 00:00:40,249 "I'm going to hear about something...Heath. 11 00:00:40,458 --> 00:00:41,208 There's something going on." 12 00:00:41,417 --> 00:00:42,543 The next day, I got your email. 13 00:00:45,546 --> 00:00:50,718 I honestly think that the earth is off axis. 14 00:00:50,926 --> 00:00:51,886 I think there's something 15 00:00:52,094 --> 00:00:57,433 that is universally out of alignment... 16 00:00:57,641 --> 00:00:58,809 with what happened. 17 00:00:59,018 --> 00:01:02,730 I'm not supposed to be talking about this with you. 18 00:01:02,938 --> 00:01:03,814 This is... 19 00:01:04,023 --> 00:01:05,691 This isn't supposed to be being made. 20 00:01:05,900 --> 00:01:07,443 This is fucked up. 21 00:01:07,651 --> 00:01:08,944 Like, this is not something 22 00:01:09,153 --> 00:01:10,946 that is supposed to be happening right now. 23 00:01:12,740 --> 00:01:14,742 ♪ I'm tearing up ♪ 24 00:01:14,950 --> 00:01:18,162 Heath was the most alive human... 25 00:01:18,370 --> 00:01:21,248 and if it wasn't on the edge, it didn't interest him. 26 00:01:21,457 --> 00:01:25,836 If there wasn't a risk, some type of risk involved, 27 00:01:26,045 --> 00:01:28,130 he had no time for it. 28 00:01:29,673 --> 00:01:32,009 He went all the way out in the time that he had. 29 00:01:32,218 --> 00:01:33,928 He went all the way to the edge. 30 00:01:36,055 --> 00:01:39,183 Some people are just bigger than... 31 00:01:42,103 --> 00:01:43,062 the world has room for. 32 00:01:44,647 --> 00:01:46,774 ♪ Still alive who you love ♪ 33 00:01:52,822 --> 00:01:54,865 ♪ Still alive who you love ♪ 34 00:02:00,704 --> 00:02:02,414 He already had this vision 35 00:02:02,623 --> 00:02:03,999 as to where he was going to be. 36 00:02:04,208 --> 00:02:06,877 He had these little shiny stars on the ceiling 37 00:02:07,086 --> 00:02:08,337 that he put up in this old house. 38 00:02:08,546 --> 00:02:10,923 He said, you know, "That's where I'm going to be." 39 00:02:11,132 --> 00:02:13,843 He said, "I'm going to be in the film industry," 40 00:02:14,051 --> 00:02:15,553 and he said, "I'm going to be a film actor." 41 00:02:17,555 --> 00:02:18,347 Heath used to follow 42 00:02:18,556 --> 00:02:19,682 his sister Kate, you know, 43 00:02:19,890 --> 00:02:22,226 all her productions that she was at at school. 44 00:02:22,434 --> 00:02:26,897 Heath being in the front row like this, for every single one. 45 00:02:27,106 --> 00:02:28,190 "That's what I want to do. 46 00:02:28,399 --> 00:02:29,400 I can't wait 'til I can do that." 47 00:02:32,570 --> 00:02:34,029 He excelled in everything he did. 48 00:02:34,238 --> 00:02:36,448 Chess was his biggest passion. 49 00:02:37,741 --> 00:02:39,702 "Please, just let me win one game. 50 00:02:39,910 --> 00:02:42,997 Why are you just, like, thinking of it at this level?" 51 00:02:43,205 --> 00:02:44,832 Great at art, 52 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:46,375 amazing athlete... 53 00:02:46,584 --> 00:02:47,918 Heath used to get into scraps. 54 00:02:48,127 --> 00:02:48,794 He was a good fighter. 55 00:02:51,714 --> 00:02:53,132 I remember the conversations 56 00:02:53,340 --> 00:02:54,842 about Heath wanting to leave school 57 00:02:55,050 --> 00:02:56,760 and travel across Australia. 58 00:02:56,969 --> 00:02:58,846 I was quite shocked at the time because he was 17. 59 00:02:59,054 --> 00:03:01,348 It was like trying to settle a wild stallion 60 00:03:01,557 --> 00:03:02,474 at the time. 61 00:03:02,683 --> 00:03:04,476 You may as well make a friend of them 62 00:03:04,685 --> 00:03:07,021 and support them as best you can and love them, 63 00:03:07,229 --> 00:03:09,148 and let's hope that everything turns out. 64 00:03:09,356 --> 00:03:12,193 I've got nothing to run away from in Perth. 65 00:03:12,401 --> 00:03:13,277 I love my family. 66 00:03:13,485 --> 00:03:15,196 I love my friends. I love the city. 67 00:03:15,404 --> 00:03:18,073 It's just there was all this going on outside of that, 68 00:03:18,282 --> 00:03:19,658 and I just had to be part of it. 69 00:03:19,867 --> 00:03:21,660 Heath and Trevor, 70 00:03:21,869 --> 00:03:23,037 they were out to conquer the world, 71 00:03:23,245 --> 00:03:24,622 the two of them. 72 00:03:24,830 --> 00:03:27,499 Pretty much waited for the day for me to finish school, 73 00:03:27,708 --> 00:03:29,126 and he was like, "Let's go to Sydney." 74 00:03:31,045 --> 00:03:32,630 It was literally jumping in our car 75 00:03:32,838 --> 00:03:35,341 and planting the foot down and just bolting out. 76 00:03:35,549 --> 00:03:37,927 I wanted to just get out there and do it. 77 00:03:39,470 --> 00:03:40,137 ♪ March, march ♪ 78 00:03:41,305 --> 00:03:42,514 ♪ Said march, march ♪ 79 00:03:42,723 --> 00:03:44,516 From there, things moved on pretty quick. 80 00:03:44,725 --> 00:03:47,186 ♪ Fists in the air as we march on ♪ 81 00:03:47,394 --> 00:03:48,312 We're going to Bondi. 82 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:49,230 We're just starting there. 83 00:03:49,438 --> 00:03:50,356 Roll together. 84 00:03:50,564 --> 00:03:51,690 Come on in, boys and girls. 85 00:03:51,899 --> 00:03:52,983 You get what you want. 86 00:03:53,192 --> 00:03:54,026 He took me to all these auditions, 87 00:03:54,235 --> 00:03:55,319 all these interviews... 88 00:03:55,527 --> 00:03:56,987 Never asked. He just did it. 89 00:03:57,196 --> 00:04:00,241 He got a role in an American TV series, Roar. 90 00:04:00,449 --> 00:04:02,034 He had the lead role. 91 00:04:02,243 --> 00:04:03,244 Action! 92 00:04:03,452 --> 00:04:04,620 You'll be lucky if you live that long. 93 00:04:04,828 --> 00:04:05,871 Great. Cut! 94 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:07,539 Now he's an actor. It was serious. 95 00:04:07,748 --> 00:04:08,916 We went to the Gold Coast. 96 00:04:09,124 --> 00:04:11,252 We were put up in a two- bedroom high-rise apartment 97 00:04:11,460 --> 00:04:12,628 overlooking the ocean. 98 00:04:12,836 --> 00:04:15,089 Money, as a 17-year-old, was impressive. 99 00:04:15,297 --> 00:04:16,340 "Wow, here we are." 100 00:04:18,926 --> 00:04:19,718 Everything kept moving forward. 101 00:04:19,927 --> 00:04:20,803 Hello. 102 00:04:21,011 --> 00:04:21,720 Lisa was a real woman, 103 00:04:21,929 --> 00:04:23,889 very classy. 104 00:04:24,098 --> 00:04:25,557 He looked up to her. 105 00:04:25,766 --> 00:04:26,475 They fell in love really quickly. 106 00:04:26,684 --> 00:04:27,601 She guided him. 107 00:04:27,810 --> 00:04:29,061 She could see the potential in him. 108 00:04:29,270 --> 00:04:30,521 Lisa, where are we going? 109 00:04:30,729 --> 00:04:33,607 She took his hand and opened a lot of doors. 110 00:04:33,816 --> 00:04:34,733 He followed her from Australia. 111 00:04:34,942 --> 00:04:36,443 She was, like, "Come to L.A." 112 00:04:36,652 --> 00:04:38,028 Dumb-looking photo. 113 00:04:38,237 --> 00:04:39,154 ♪ We march on ♪ 114 00:05:05,055 --> 00:05:07,599 I never moved there expecting anything to happen. 115 00:05:09,143 --> 00:05:10,311 I kind of went there with the attitude 116 00:05:10,519 --> 00:05:12,229 of "Well, I've got nothing to lose." 117 00:05:14,565 --> 00:05:16,692 Heath arrived at some odd hour, 118 00:05:16,900 --> 00:05:19,737 and he turns around and looks at me with a big smile 119 00:05:19,945 --> 00:05:21,530 and says "Hello!" 120 00:05:21,739 --> 00:05:22,698 Of course, the first thing I noticed 121 00:05:22,906 --> 00:05:24,992 was his gigantic smile. 122 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:29,371 My roommate, Lisa Zane, knew, in her words, 123 00:05:29,580 --> 00:05:30,622 that he was going to clean up, 124 00:05:30,831 --> 00:05:33,542 meaning be successful in Hollywood. 125 00:05:33,751 --> 00:05:36,045 I think she was the first to know that. 126 00:05:37,796 --> 00:05:40,382 Hello. How was your day? 127 00:05:40,591 --> 00:05:41,925 Oh, it was fun. 128 00:05:43,093 --> 00:05:45,512 There's a book called The Sentimental Education, 129 00:05:45,721 --> 00:05:49,350 and I feel that's what he got from Lisa. 130 00:05:52,728 --> 00:05:55,606 Lisa took him to the Venice Carnevale... 131 00:05:58,025 --> 00:05:59,568 and they shot 8-millimeter film... 132 00:06:01,695 --> 00:06:03,614 and would wear the costumes... 133 00:06:05,741 --> 00:06:06,909 and, to me, 134 00:06:07,117 --> 00:06:08,827 that was a part of what created him as an actor. 135 00:06:11,705 --> 00:06:13,957 I gave him my friend's script, 10 Things I Hate About You. 136 00:06:17,211 --> 00:06:18,754 He read the script and said, 137 00:06:18,962 --> 00:06:21,048 "I really like the role of Patrick," 138 00:06:21,256 --> 00:06:23,509 and I said, "Isn't Patrick the lead?" 139 00:06:23,717 --> 00:06:26,720 He said, "Yes, Patrick's the lead, 140 00:06:26,929 --> 00:06:28,514 and that's the part I want," 141 00:06:28,722 --> 00:06:31,308 and when he came back from the audition, 142 00:06:31,517 --> 00:06:33,852 he said, "I got Patrick," 143 00:06:34,061 --> 00:06:36,939 and I was like, "Really? You got the lead?" 144 00:06:37,147 --> 00:06:41,777 and that's when I realized that Heath was... 145 00:06:41,985 --> 00:06:42,778 different. 146 00:06:42,986 --> 00:06:44,446 No offence or anything. 147 00:06:44,655 --> 00:06:46,240 I mean, I know everyone digs your sister, 148 00:06:46,448 --> 00:06:48,409 but, um... 149 00:06:48,617 --> 00:06:49,284 she's without. 150 00:07:02,256 --> 00:07:03,340 Maybe we should do this another time. 151 00:07:18,272 --> 00:07:19,773 Sometimes people break through 152 00:07:19,982 --> 00:07:21,775 because of one thing, 153 00:07:21,984 --> 00:07:24,403 whether it's good looks or talent or timing or... 154 00:07:24,611 --> 00:07:25,904 you know, who knows, 155 00:07:26,113 --> 00:07:28,282 but he sort of had everything down. 156 00:07:30,576 --> 00:07:33,203 One of the most powerful things for an actor, 157 00:07:33,412 --> 00:07:34,997 particularly for a man, is their voice... 158 00:07:35,205 --> 00:07:36,540 I've thrown a football, what, 159 00:07:36,748 --> 00:07:37,833 a few times in my life, so... 160 00:07:38,041 --> 00:07:40,002 And their physicality... 161 00:07:40,210 --> 00:07:42,671 And their, you know, level of masculinity, 162 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:44,840 and he had all of those things in spades. 163 00:07:53,682 --> 00:07:54,933 There was a bunch of kids 164 00:07:55,142 --> 00:07:56,185 staying in a hotel. 165 00:07:56,393 --> 00:07:58,020 Everyone had their own suites, 166 00:07:58,228 --> 00:07:59,480 and he brought everyone together, 167 00:07:59,688 --> 00:08:02,357 so by the time I got there, the parties were in his room. 168 00:08:02,566 --> 00:08:05,068 10 Things was when he really felt 169 00:08:05,277 --> 00:08:07,529 that, "Okay, this is my career. 170 00:08:07,738 --> 00:08:09,198 I'm an actor now." 171 00:08:11,116 --> 00:08:13,243 By then, he had his agent, Steve. 172 00:08:13,452 --> 00:08:14,411 He knew the industry, 173 00:08:14,620 --> 00:08:15,829 but he didn't really know the industry. 174 00:08:16,038 --> 00:08:18,582 He'd only been in it for 18 months. 175 00:08:20,626 --> 00:08:21,710 It was pretty early in my career. 176 00:08:21,919 --> 00:08:24,004 You know, he was one of my early clients. 177 00:08:24,213 --> 00:08:27,549 He was looking for people that he could trust. 178 00:08:30,177 --> 00:08:31,094 Home to sleep. 179 00:08:35,557 --> 00:08:36,725 It was just obvious. 180 00:08:36,934 --> 00:08:38,936 He just had this great swagger about him. 181 00:08:39,144 --> 00:08:41,438 So how long have you been acting? 182 00:08:41,647 --> 00:08:43,232 About... 183 00:08:44,399 --> 00:08:45,901 20 years. 184 00:08:46,109 --> 00:08:48,570 How old are you? 185 00:08:48,779 --> 00:08:49,947 20. 186 00:08:50,155 --> 00:08:52,616 You could tell we were going to be on to something. 187 00:08:52,824 --> 00:08:54,076 So one of the things that happens 188 00:08:54,284 --> 00:08:56,912 is when you're good at something in a movie, 189 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,331 everyone offers you that same thing. 190 00:08:59,540 --> 00:09:01,667 So he did a great job 191 00:09:01,875 --> 00:09:04,962 being in a teen romantic comedy, basically, 192 00:09:05,170 --> 00:09:07,172 and so anything that, you know, 193 00:09:07,381 --> 00:09:09,299 sort of resembled 10 Things I Hate About You 194 00:09:09,508 --> 00:09:10,884 came his way, 195 00:09:11,093 --> 00:09:14,805 and, of course, that's exactly what he didn't want to do next. 196 00:09:15,013 --> 00:09:17,516 He wanted to mix it up and find a new challenge. 197 00:09:19,309 --> 00:09:23,063 That moment was a very important next step. 198 00:09:23,272 --> 00:09:25,107 "Okay, what do we want to do next? 199 00:09:25,315 --> 00:09:28,610 What do we really want to do if we have a choice?" 200 00:09:28,819 --> 00:09:31,071 People in Hollywood, they don't like to hear "no," 201 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:32,489 you know... 202 00:09:32,698 --> 00:09:35,409 and so I had a lot of fun saying "no." 203 00:09:35,617 --> 00:09:36,702 He was always very friendly. 204 00:09:36,910 --> 00:09:40,122 He never seemed out of sorts about it, 205 00:09:40,330 --> 00:09:42,165 but he knew what he didn't want. 206 00:09:42,374 --> 00:09:44,960 He was always very appreciative 207 00:09:45,168 --> 00:09:49,381 of coming to a house full of art and artists. 208 00:09:51,717 --> 00:09:52,759 I am filming right now. 209 00:09:57,014 --> 00:09:58,307 He got this camera, 210 00:09:58,515 --> 00:10:01,143 and he didn't know what to do other than to make something. 211 00:10:01,351 --> 00:10:03,604 It wasn't just to film us and film what we were doing. 212 00:10:03,812 --> 00:10:07,941 He was, like, creating something straight away. 213 00:10:10,110 --> 00:10:12,446 He always used to say to me, "Don't forget your camera," 214 00:10:12,654 --> 00:10:14,698 and I was like, "What am I going to film between here and there?" 215 00:10:14,906 --> 00:10:18,076 and he was like, "I don't care. You could film your feet." 216 00:10:18,285 --> 00:10:20,912 But we'd watch a lot of our videos back. 217 00:10:21,121 --> 00:10:23,749 He was just... curious, and watching it, and, like, 218 00:10:23,957 --> 00:10:25,375 thinking how he could do things different. 219 00:10:26,918 --> 00:10:27,669 That's how he learned. 220 00:10:27,878 --> 00:10:29,046 He never studied... 221 00:10:29,254 --> 00:10:30,756 anything, really. 222 00:10:30,964 --> 00:10:33,175 He was self-taught. 223 00:10:33,383 --> 00:10:35,093 He could really see what he was doing 224 00:10:35,302 --> 00:10:37,346 and how to do that better or different... 225 00:10:38,472 --> 00:10:39,640 Hmm. 226 00:10:39,848 --> 00:10:40,849 Even if it was the way he smiled 227 00:10:41,058 --> 00:10:42,100 or where he was looking, 228 00:10:42,309 --> 00:10:45,103 he'd make a lot of things just for himself, 229 00:10:45,312 --> 00:10:46,563 just to teach himself. 230 00:10:48,857 --> 00:10:50,317 That's right... 231 00:10:50,525 --> 00:10:52,194 And evil super-villains. 232 00:10:52,402 --> 00:10:53,695 Evil super-villains. 233 00:10:53,904 --> 00:10:55,072 ... civilian men and women... 234 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:56,615 Who? 235 00:10:59,534 --> 00:11:00,911 Got it, boss. 236 00:11:01,119 --> 00:11:01,912 Let's go! 237 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,581 Okay, I've got my mission. 238 00:11:04,790 --> 00:11:05,874 We're at the peephole. 239 00:11:06,083 --> 00:11:09,961 You never know who's out there waiting. 240 00:11:10,170 --> 00:11:10,962 Okay. 241 00:11:20,764 --> 00:11:21,390 Hey. 242 00:11:27,187 --> 00:11:28,230 Did they know? 243 00:12:25,162 --> 00:12:28,707 Okay, he's not there. 244 00:12:28,915 --> 00:12:30,125 Let's keep on looking. 245 00:12:30,333 --> 00:12:32,002 Down here. 246 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,338 Good Lord. 247 00:13:16,546 --> 00:13:17,923 It was an effort. 248 00:13:18,131 --> 00:13:20,258 Thank God I made it. 249 00:13:20,467 --> 00:13:22,594 What's this? A message? 250 00:13:22,803 --> 00:13:24,513 It must be from him. 251 00:13:24,721 --> 00:13:26,306 Oh, my God... 252 00:13:44,074 --> 00:13:47,410 The screen test for The Patriot came up with Mel Gibson, 253 00:13:47,619 --> 00:13:49,913 who's the biggest Australian movie star. 254 00:13:50,121 --> 00:13:51,915 That was one of his idols, 255 00:13:52,123 --> 00:13:54,793 and he loved, you know, Mad Max and... 256 00:13:55,001 --> 00:13:57,796 It was a huge, huge thing for him. 257 00:13:58,004 --> 00:14:01,049 It was an actual screen test and costume on the set 258 00:14:01,258 --> 00:14:02,384 with the main star. 259 00:14:04,094 --> 00:14:05,720 I was halfway through the second scene 260 00:14:05,929 --> 00:14:07,138 that I had to read for them, 261 00:14:07,347 --> 00:14:09,683 and words were just bluhblbl, coming out like this, 262 00:14:09,891 --> 00:14:12,853 and so I just stopped and stood up 263 00:14:13,061 --> 00:14:14,104 and I said, "I'm sorry. I'm wasting your time." 264 00:14:14,312 --> 00:14:17,107 Heath called me and said, 265 00:14:17,315 --> 00:14:18,733 "They're not calling you on this one. 266 00:14:18,942 --> 00:14:20,569 I just didn't do well," 267 00:14:20,777 --> 00:14:22,988 and it was something, enough there 268 00:14:23,196 --> 00:14:25,866 that Roland Emmerich and the studio and Mel 269 00:14:26,074 --> 00:14:28,410 all looked at each other and, I think, said, 270 00:14:28,618 --> 00:14:29,953 "You know, let's take a shot." 271 00:14:32,038 --> 00:14:35,292 So this is, um, first day shooting. 272 00:14:35,500 --> 00:14:36,793 This is the first day on The Patriot for me. 273 00:14:37,002 --> 00:14:38,295 I'm looking forward to it. 274 00:14:38,503 --> 00:14:40,380 It's been three months since I found out I got this job, 275 00:14:40,589 --> 00:14:43,008 and finally, after three months of sitting around 276 00:14:43,216 --> 00:14:44,092 thinking about it, 277 00:14:44,301 --> 00:14:45,635 I get to go out there and do it. 278 00:14:45,844 --> 00:14:47,220 This is it. 279 00:14:48,763 --> 00:14:51,016 So... 280 00:14:51,224 --> 00:14:52,893 Blink my eyes, and it'll be out there. 281 00:14:55,562 --> 00:14:57,314 Guys, guys, Heath's here, guys. 282 00:14:57,522 --> 00:14:58,356 Everybody look alive. 283 00:15:06,197 --> 00:15:07,490 It was a huge production. 284 00:15:09,034 --> 00:15:11,369 It was a little terrifying 285 00:15:11,578 --> 00:15:14,331 to be in another city with no friends, 286 00:15:14,539 --> 00:15:17,042 and you're just sitting there on your own. 287 00:15:17,250 --> 00:15:19,628 It's a lonely life. 288 00:15:19,836 --> 00:15:20,879 Cut. 289 00:15:21,087 --> 00:15:22,797 That's why he took me to most places 290 00:15:23,006 --> 00:15:24,174 is that it was us. 291 00:15:27,385 --> 00:15:28,511 Hee hee hee hee. 292 00:15:30,180 --> 00:15:31,598 We met riding our bikes 293 00:15:31,806 --> 00:15:32,682 out in the street, 294 00:15:32,891 --> 00:15:35,644 and we just became best friends. 295 00:15:35,852 --> 00:15:39,147 We felt... at home together. 296 00:15:39,356 --> 00:15:43,193 You could tell that he was... he wanted to do a good job. 297 00:15:45,153 --> 00:15:47,572 He was still learning. 298 00:15:55,455 --> 00:15:57,916 I'm not going back. 299 00:15:58,124 --> 00:16:01,252 No, I didn't expect you would. 300 00:16:05,548 --> 00:16:07,676 That Gates is a damn fool. 301 00:16:09,803 --> 00:16:11,805 He spent too many years in the British army. 302 00:16:12,013 --> 00:16:14,516 Going muzzle to muzzle with Redcoats in open field... 303 00:16:14,724 --> 00:16:15,850 it's madness. 304 00:16:16,059 --> 00:16:18,103 He called me one day from the set, 305 00:16:18,311 --> 00:16:19,896 really upset. 306 00:16:22,816 --> 00:16:26,111 He was having a hard time, and he was struggling, 307 00:16:26,319 --> 00:16:28,613 just a crisis of confidence. 308 00:16:37,872 --> 00:16:38,790 He was probably, in his head, 309 00:16:38,999 --> 00:16:40,500 he's standing across from his idol, 310 00:16:40,709 --> 00:16:42,794 acting with Mel Gibson. 311 00:16:43,003 --> 00:16:45,255 For a young Aussie kid, it was a lot. 312 00:16:47,924 --> 00:16:49,217 He would get caught up in the fear 313 00:16:49,426 --> 00:16:51,428 of whether or not he could accomplish 314 00:16:51,636 --> 00:16:53,847 what he wanted to do. 315 00:16:54,055 --> 00:16:55,849 He kind of almost pulled out of every movie 316 00:16:56,057 --> 00:16:58,309 he ever ended up doing. 317 00:17:01,771 --> 00:17:04,107 It's kind of a rule of thumb for me 318 00:17:04,315 --> 00:17:05,942 to self-doubt, 319 00:17:06,151 --> 00:17:07,318 always think that I shouldn't be doing it, 320 00:17:07,527 --> 00:17:08,445 and I don't know how to do it, 321 00:17:08,653 --> 00:17:10,363 and I'm going to fail, 322 00:17:10,572 --> 00:17:12,490 and that I fooled them, 323 00:17:12,699 --> 00:17:14,993 and I always try and find a way out. 324 00:17:19,497 --> 00:17:20,999 And he got past it, 325 00:17:21,207 --> 00:17:21,916 and Mel was great. 326 00:17:22,125 --> 00:17:23,334 Mel was so generous with him 327 00:17:23,543 --> 00:17:24,711 and really took him under his wing 328 00:17:24,919 --> 00:17:26,963 and was amazing. 329 00:17:27,172 --> 00:17:28,173 I'm sorry. 330 00:17:28,381 --> 00:17:29,716 Be quiet. 331 00:17:29,924 --> 00:17:31,926 I'll take care of you. You're going to be all right. 332 00:17:32,135 --> 00:17:33,470 Father... 333 00:17:35,638 --> 00:17:39,267 I'm sorry... about Thomas. 334 00:17:43,563 --> 00:17:44,773 Mel really taught him 335 00:17:44,981 --> 00:17:46,191 how to come in and out of a character. 336 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:51,613 He definitely learned how to relax a little, 337 00:17:51,821 --> 00:17:53,782 rather than building himself up of, like, 338 00:17:53,990 --> 00:17:56,451 "I've got this scene, and I've got to do this." 339 00:17:58,369 --> 00:18:01,790 I think Mel was the first teacher that he had. 340 00:18:01,998 --> 00:18:04,209 Heath used to say to me, "It's not what Mel says. 341 00:18:04,417 --> 00:18:05,335 It's what he doesn't say." 342 00:18:14,844 --> 00:18:16,096 It's good. I'm happy to be finished. 343 00:18:16,304 --> 00:18:17,597 It was long. 344 00:18:17,806 --> 00:18:20,391 It was really fun, though, and they're really great people, 345 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:24,562 and I'm going to catch a plane in two hours. 346 00:18:24,771 --> 00:18:27,190 Mel had said, "Well, I'm taking my jet. 347 00:18:27,398 --> 00:18:28,358 Do you guys want to come with me?" 348 00:18:28,566 --> 00:18:30,860 Mel Gibson's inviting us on his jet... 349 00:18:34,739 --> 00:18:35,740 and, all of a sudden, there we are, 350 00:18:35,949 --> 00:18:37,909 with Mel on his jet, 351 00:18:38,118 --> 00:18:40,370 cruising back to L.A. 352 00:18:40,578 --> 00:18:42,413 It was definitely, definitely a moment. 353 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:00,682 So we were always going on adventures 354 00:19:00,890 --> 00:19:02,725 and looking for the next adventure 355 00:19:02,934 --> 00:19:04,561 that was exciting and fun. 356 00:19:07,272 --> 00:19:09,149 He'd finished a film. 357 00:19:09,357 --> 00:19:10,275 He had downtime. 358 00:19:10,483 --> 00:19:12,068 We went to Burning Man in '99. 359 00:19:20,994 --> 00:19:21,703 Oh, cool. 360 00:19:27,417 --> 00:19:28,418 We were excited 361 00:19:28,626 --> 00:19:30,003 because we knew nothing about it. 362 00:19:31,171 --> 00:19:31,796 Cool. 363 00:19:34,674 --> 00:19:37,635 The creativity that exists there 364 00:19:37,844 --> 00:19:40,638 and the ability to ride bikes morning, noon, and night... 365 00:19:42,265 --> 00:19:43,183 I think Burning Man 366 00:19:43,391 --> 00:19:44,726 was Heath's favorite place on Earth. 367 00:19:49,355 --> 00:19:50,356 Do you want a whiskey, Trevor? 368 00:19:50,565 --> 00:19:51,232 I'd love a whiskey. 369 00:19:51,441 --> 00:19:53,026 Whiskey. 370 00:19:53,234 --> 00:19:55,987 Whiskey and hot dogs. Nice. 371 00:19:56,196 --> 00:19:58,323 It was a bunch of half-naked people 372 00:19:58,531 --> 00:20:00,617 and dance music 24-7, 373 00:20:00,825 --> 00:20:04,329 and we fit in really well. 374 00:20:11,461 --> 00:20:14,047 Heath lived every moment to the fullest. 375 00:20:20,345 --> 00:20:24,766 He was always looking to create something out of the situation. 376 00:20:30,438 --> 00:20:31,231 Cool... 377 00:20:31,439 --> 00:20:32,523 You see? 378 00:20:35,902 --> 00:20:37,403 He was an artist. 379 00:20:37,612 --> 00:20:39,656 He loved to paint. He loved to draw. 380 00:20:39,864 --> 00:20:42,742 Cameras were a big passion of his. 381 00:20:42,951 --> 00:20:44,869 He knew the lighting that was available. 382 00:20:45,078 --> 00:20:47,789 He knew the speed of the film that was in his camera 383 00:20:47,997 --> 00:20:50,667 and what he could set it at without using a light meter. 384 00:20:52,835 --> 00:20:55,630 The cameras were a part of him. 385 00:21:10,186 --> 00:21:12,313 Heath and I had mutual friends, 386 00:21:12,522 --> 00:21:13,398 so it was a setup. 387 00:21:13,606 --> 00:21:16,109 We met, 388 00:21:16,317 --> 00:21:18,027 and that was it. 389 00:21:18,236 --> 00:21:19,028 That was it. 390 00:21:20,488 --> 00:21:24,284 There were always cameras around... 391 00:21:24,492 --> 00:21:25,618 a video camera, 392 00:21:25,827 --> 00:21:28,997 or a Polaroid camera, or the film camera. 393 00:21:29,205 --> 00:21:32,750 I was amazed when I saw all of the stuff together... 394 00:21:35,044 --> 00:21:37,171 and how many photographs... 395 00:21:37,380 --> 00:21:39,674 I mean, he was documenting everything. 396 00:21:41,759 --> 00:21:42,677 He was just surrounded 397 00:21:42,885 --> 00:21:46,264 by all of those moments he was in, 398 00:21:46,472 --> 00:21:47,765 and then surrounded by them, 399 00:21:47,974 --> 00:21:49,684 but then he'd be capturing the next moment 400 00:21:49,892 --> 00:21:52,437 and the next moment, you know, and the next moment. 401 00:21:54,105 --> 00:21:55,565 Didn't stop. It never stopped... 402 00:21:59,944 --> 00:22:02,864 and the way he was able to be in the moment 403 00:22:03,072 --> 00:22:05,450 and then capture the moment on the camera... 404 00:22:07,118 --> 00:22:12,290 He just got you in your most authentic self. 405 00:22:12,498 --> 00:22:14,375 You know, he really got me. 406 00:22:14,584 --> 00:22:17,170 I think that's a beautiful thing 407 00:22:17,378 --> 00:22:20,298 because he's saying, you know, through his photographs, 408 00:22:20,506 --> 00:22:22,133 "I see you." 409 00:22:25,219 --> 00:22:28,806 The art was more of a need, almost, 410 00:22:29,015 --> 00:22:33,394 to live in the world and then capture the world. 411 00:22:33,603 --> 00:22:37,398 He would draw on it or scratch on it 412 00:22:37,607 --> 00:22:39,317 or use crayon or nail polish. 413 00:22:41,152 --> 00:22:43,905 He wanted to take it all with him. 414 00:22:52,413 --> 00:22:53,748 That's the only way I think of him, 415 00:22:53,956 --> 00:22:55,375 with the camera in the hand. 416 00:22:57,168 --> 00:23:00,088 That was just Heath. 417 00:23:04,634 --> 00:23:06,386 His mates from Perth, 418 00:23:06,594 --> 00:23:08,679 they were a very close, warm, 419 00:23:08,888 --> 00:23:13,101 loving, you know, tight group of friends, 420 00:23:13,309 --> 00:23:16,896 and he loved having them around. 421 00:23:17,105 --> 00:23:19,565 Okay, so I take the 101 south. 422 00:23:19,774 --> 00:23:21,692 He had, like, 15 years of friendship 423 00:23:21,901 --> 00:23:24,529 with kids that we went to kindergarten with 424 00:23:24,737 --> 00:23:26,197 that we'd graduated high school with. 425 00:23:26,406 --> 00:23:28,658 Heath always kept them close. 426 00:23:30,618 --> 00:23:32,161 I was privileged enough to go over 427 00:23:32,370 --> 00:23:35,123 and see how his life was, 428 00:23:35,331 --> 00:23:37,250 and it was incredibly enticing, 429 00:23:37,458 --> 00:23:38,584 incredibly alluring. 430 00:23:38,793 --> 00:23:40,420 Oh, my goodness, this has to be, like, 431 00:23:40,628 --> 00:23:43,089 the world that everyone wants to live. 432 00:23:43,297 --> 00:23:44,674 Kane Manera from The Strokes... 433 00:23:46,259 --> 00:23:47,510 I think it was the first trip, 434 00:23:47,718 --> 00:23:48,886 driving around, and he says, 435 00:23:49,095 --> 00:23:50,096 "I've got to go to a friend's house." 436 00:23:50,304 --> 00:23:51,556 Knock on the door, 437 00:23:51,764 --> 00:23:52,640 and he's got this, like, 438 00:23:52,849 --> 00:23:56,185 slightly cheeky look on his face. 439 00:23:56,394 --> 00:23:57,186 Door opens. 440 00:23:57,395 --> 00:23:59,897 Naomi Campbell answers. 441 00:24:00,106 --> 00:24:02,024 I still have Naomi Campbell pictures on my wall 442 00:24:02,233 --> 00:24:03,151 at this point. 443 00:24:04,861 --> 00:24:06,237 So I'm doing my best job of just... 444 00:24:07,572 --> 00:24:09,031 "Hey, how are ya? Nice to meet you," 445 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:10,032 and I'm thinking, 446 00:24:10,241 --> 00:24:11,075 "I guess this is what Heath does. 447 00:24:11,284 --> 00:24:12,535 This is how it is now. 448 00:24:12,743 --> 00:24:13,953 Just rolls to Naomi Campbell's house." 449 00:24:17,498 --> 00:24:19,041 Heath! Heath! 450 00:24:22,628 --> 00:24:24,839 Heath's place was renowned 451 00:24:25,047 --> 00:24:27,758 for having a stream 452 00:24:27,967 --> 00:24:30,011 of Australian actors and whatnots 453 00:24:30,219 --> 00:24:31,053 living there. 454 00:24:31,262 --> 00:24:33,014 Casting directors would ask you, 455 00:24:33,222 --> 00:24:36,184 "And are you one of the Aussies that lives at Heath's place?" 456 00:24:37,852 --> 00:24:41,939 Yeah, we lived in Los Feliz in this house 457 00:24:42,148 --> 00:24:43,941 where the doors were just open, 458 00:24:44,150 --> 00:24:46,194 and people would come and stay. 459 00:24:46,402 --> 00:24:50,615 Joel Edgerton and Heath were close friends early on, 460 00:24:50,823 --> 00:24:52,867 and he came over, and Martin Henderson... 461 00:24:53,075 --> 00:24:54,118 I did. 462 00:24:54,327 --> 00:24:55,286 Rose Byrne, 463 00:24:55,495 --> 00:24:57,455 Gregor Jordan, you know, the director... 464 00:24:57,663 --> 00:24:59,582 You would never know who's staying at Heath's house. 465 00:24:59,790 --> 00:25:02,752 Everyone and anyone was welcome, you know? 466 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,588 He had such generosity of spirit. 467 00:25:05,796 --> 00:25:08,591 It's just miraculous, the energy... 468 00:25:08,799 --> 00:25:10,801 him, arms open, as always. 469 00:25:11,010 --> 00:25:13,471 The Australian thing, to me, was like, 470 00:25:13,679 --> 00:25:14,972 yeah, come one, come all, you know? 471 00:25:15,181 --> 00:25:16,307 Like, hang out. 472 00:25:16,516 --> 00:25:18,309 Let's make this fun. 473 00:25:18,518 --> 00:25:20,686 People would stay a long time, sometimes. 474 00:25:20,895 --> 00:25:21,687 It was... 475 00:25:21,896 --> 00:25:23,314 a bit longer than necessary, 476 00:25:23,523 --> 00:25:24,941 but, um, but it was fun. 477 00:25:25,149 --> 00:25:28,069 You've flown around the world. 478 00:25:28,277 --> 00:25:31,906 Staying somewhere in L.A. for a couple of months? 479 00:25:32,114 --> 00:25:34,492 That... phew... costs a lot, 480 00:25:34,700 --> 00:25:39,455 and I had nothing going on work-wise. 481 00:25:39,664 --> 00:25:40,456 Nothing. 482 00:25:40,665 --> 00:25:42,166 It sort of didn't matter. 483 00:25:44,544 --> 00:25:46,337 Upstairs, they had a couple turntables. 484 00:25:46,546 --> 00:25:47,755 They had a DJ setup. 485 00:25:47,964 --> 00:25:49,632 "Come in. We're going to do this. 486 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,801 What do you feel like? Just chill out. 487 00:25:52,009 --> 00:25:53,302 Oh, this is my record room. This is the sunroom. 488 00:25:53,511 --> 00:25:55,763 Have you heard of Nick Drake? You've got to listen to this." 489 00:25:55,972 --> 00:25:57,598 Puts it on, boom.... 490 00:25:57,807 --> 00:26:00,434 At his house, he had a big record collection, 491 00:26:00,643 --> 00:26:01,686 and he could have a big party, 492 00:26:01,894 --> 00:26:04,355 and he would always be at the music. 493 00:26:04,564 --> 00:26:07,149 Music was definitely something that was in him 494 00:26:07,358 --> 00:26:08,859 that he... he loved. 495 00:26:11,988 --> 00:26:13,906 With him, it was just friends to hang out with 496 00:26:14,115 --> 00:26:17,243 and share the journey. 497 00:26:17,451 --> 00:26:21,330 He was very big on sharing his success. 498 00:26:21,539 --> 00:26:23,374 Heath's place in L.A. was sort of 499 00:26:23,583 --> 00:26:27,545 a renowned pre-Entourage kind of entourage house. 500 00:26:27,753 --> 00:26:31,132 In fact, when I was staying there, 501 00:26:31,340 --> 00:26:34,969 Adrian Grenier was there at one of these nights. 502 00:26:35,177 --> 00:26:37,972 There was a bit of drinking and carrying on going on. 503 00:26:38,180 --> 00:26:39,599 Then I often fancy 504 00:26:39,807 --> 00:26:42,768 that he was doing a bit of research 505 00:26:42,977 --> 00:26:45,938 on a functioning entourage, 506 00:26:46,147 --> 00:26:47,732 'cause Heath wasn't there, 507 00:26:47,940 --> 00:26:49,775 so, you know, "Vinnie," as it were, 508 00:26:49,984 --> 00:26:51,402 would've been away making a film. 509 00:26:57,450 --> 00:26:59,577 There were times people were there, he wasn't. 510 00:26:59,785 --> 00:27:01,370 I mean, he was on a set somewhere, working on a movie, 511 00:27:01,579 --> 00:27:02,413 you know, in Europe, 512 00:27:02,622 --> 00:27:04,498 and his house was full. 513 00:27:41,077 --> 00:27:42,161 We were in Prague. 514 00:27:42,370 --> 00:27:44,038 For the first time, we're really in Europe, 515 00:27:44,246 --> 00:27:45,623 and we're living there. 516 00:27:45,831 --> 00:27:48,709 We're there for pre-production. 517 00:27:51,545 --> 00:27:52,505 Knight's Tale 518 00:27:52,713 --> 00:27:54,674 was an interesting moment in his career. 519 00:27:54,882 --> 00:27:56,258 Amy Pascal, who runs Sony at the time, 520 00:27:56,467 --> 00:27:59,970 really, really loved Heath and appreciated him 521 00:28:00,179 --> 00:28:01,514 and wanted him in everything. 522 00:28:03,766 --> 00:28:04,809 Hyah! 523 00:28:05,017 --> 00:28:05,893 Forward! 524 00:28:06,102 --> 00:28:07,269 Hyah! 525 00:28:16,278 --> 00:28:19,323 Heath really gave an incredible amount of dignity 526 00:28:19,532 --> 00:28:20,574 to his characters, 527 00:28:20,783 --> 00:28:24,078 even in a film that's as sort of whimsical 528 00:28:24,286 --> 00:28:25,079 and light, in its way, 529 00:28:25,287 --> 00:28:26,288 as A Knight's Tale. 530 00:28:26,497 --> 00:28:31,168 It's very hard to be as solid as he was. 531 00:28:31,377 --> 00:28:32,920 You know, at first, it was a shock. 532 00:28:33,129 --> 00:28:34,422 You know, I read it. 533 00:28:34,630 --> 00:28:37,508 "Queen, 'We Will Rock You,' rises as they enter the arena." 534 00:28:37,717 --> 00:28:39,552 I think I almost closed the script on that line 535 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,512 because I was thinking, oh, it's one of those movies 536 00:28:41,721 --> 00:28:43,139 that's trying to, you know, mix the two, 537 00:28:43,347 --> 00:28:46,475 but as I read further into it, it explained itself. 538 00:28:46,684 --> 00:28:48,519 The rock 'n' roll music destroys any barriers 539 00:28:48,728 --> 00:28:50,354 that are restricting us to historical truths. 540 00:28:50,563 --> 00:28:52,148 You know, it's a fairy tale. 541 00:28:52,356 --> 00:28:53,649 We want the audience to walk in there 542 00:28:53,858 --> 00:28:55,234 and to be transported. 543 00:29:09,665 --> 00:29:11,625 We went to Sony for a marketing meeting 544 00:29:11,834 --> 00:29:12,877 on A Knight's Tale. 545 00:29:13,085 --> 00:29:15,713 Studio president, studio executives 546 00:29:15,921 --> 00:29:17,965 were all there, doing their job, 547 00:29:18,174 --> 00:29:19,717 excited about the film, excited about Heath... 548 00:29:19,925 --> 00:29:20,926 very excited about Heath. 549 00:29:24,972 --> 00:29:26,849 The poster and the campaign was "He Will Rock You." 550 00:29:27,057 --> 00:29:28,851 It was really built on Heath, 551 00:29:29,059 --> 00:29:31,937 you know, the images, Heath's face... 552 00:29:32,146 --> 00:29:33,147 he looks like a rock star, 553 00:29:33,355 --> 00:29:34,774 and the tag line, "He Will Rock You," 554 00:29:34,982 --> 00:29:36,484 and those posters were all over the city, 555 00:29:36,692 --> 00:29:38,152 all over Los Angeles. 556 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,488 He was, like, "Whoa, that's my face." 557 00:29:40,696 --> 00:29:43,073 The posters were everywhere. 558 00:29:43,282 --> 00:29:45,534 He knew that would be projecting him 559 00:29:45,743 --> 00:29:47,953 into the limelight. 560 00:29:48,162 --> 00:29:49,747 There was a moment 561 00:29:49,955 --> 00:29:52,500 where they talked about Heath was going to go city by city 562 00:29:52,708 --> 00:29:54,627 and talk about the movie, 563 00:29:54,835 --> 00:29:57,379 and, you know, he was going to be the secret weapon. 564 00:29:57,588 --> 00:30:03,636 William! 565 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,727 I could see him getting more and more upset, you know? 566 00:30:11,936 --> 00:30:12,937 We were sitting next to each other, 567 00:30:13,145 --> 00:30:14,438 and I kinda, out of the corner of my eye, 568 00:30:14,647 --> 00:30:16,982 could tell he was getting very uncomfortable and fidgeting, 569 00:30:17,191 --> 00:30:20,027 and he finally whispered to me that he needed to leave, 570 00:30:20,236 --> 00:30:21,862 he needed to get out of the room for a second, 571 00:30:22,071 --> 00:30:25,282 "Can you excuse me?" and he got up. 572 00:30:25,491 --> 00:30:27,284 I followed him. 573 00:30:27,493 --> 00:30:29,161 He was in the bathroom. 574 00:30:29,370 --> 00:30:31,413 ...Sitting there just freaking out, 575 00:30:31,622 --> 00:30:33,582 working out what the hell he was gonna do, 576 00:30:33,791 --> 00:30:35,042 trying to stick to his guns. 577 00:30:37,211 --> 00:30:38,295 There's this thing in Australia 578 00:30:38,504 --> 00:30:40,589 called the tall poppy syndrome, you know? 579 00:30:40,798 --> 00:30:43,634 If one grows too high, whsst, 580 00:30:43,843 --> 00:30:45,970 you get cut down back to size, 581 00:30:46,178 --> 00:30:49,306 and, as an Australian, you identify with it. 582 00:30:49,515 --> 00:30:51,725 If you do get too successful, 583 00:30:51,934 --> 00:30:53,018 it's sort of, there's something that's... 584 00:30:53,227 --> 00:30:54,270 You feel ugly. 585 00:30:56,397 --> 00:30:57,398 Being a salesman 586 00:30:57,606 --> 00:30:58,816 and going out and talking about the movie 587 00:30:59,024 --> 00:31:00,109 and selling the film, 588 00:31:00,317 --> 00:31:01,944 that was the part of the business 589 00:31:02,152 --> 00:31:04,446 that I think he was least comfortable with... 590 00:31:04,655 --> 00:31:06,156 Really, really had a hard time with. 591 00:31:06,365 --> 00:31:08,701 He wanted fame... 592 00:31:08,909 --> 00:31:10,744 And then when he got it, he didn't want it. 593 00:31:12,371 --> 00:31:16,083 He was mortified, and he felt owned. 594 00:31:16,292 --> 00:31:17,668 His image, not their image... 595 00:31:17,877 --> 00:31:20,921 Him, his face, his heart, his soul. 596 00:31:21,130 --> 00:31:24,341 I remember he told me, "I'm not gonna be that guy. 597 00:31:24,550 --> 00:31:26,302 I have no interest in being that guy. 598 00:31:26,510 --> 00:31:28,596 I'm not that guy, and I'll show you." 599 00:31:28,804 --> 00:31:31,599 Hey, do you know what you did? 600 00:31:31,807 --> 00:31:33,309 Do you know what you did? 601 00:31:33,517 --> 00:31:35,394 Are you listening to me? 602 00:31:35,603 --> 00:31:37,396 Do you know what you did? 603 00:31:37,605 --> 00:31:39,273 Do you know what you did? 604 00:31:39,481 --> 00:31:40,608 You fucked him up! 605 00:31:40,816 --> 00:31:44,695 He gets to come in, play this role, 606 00:31:44,904 --> 00:31:46,155 and break your heart. 607 00:31:48,365 --> 00:31:51,744 In the script Monster's Ball, he felt there was a journey 608 00:31:51,952 --> 00:31:56,415 that would take him to another place, another level. 609 00:31:56,624 --> 00:32:02,296 He saw something about himself that attracted him, 610 00:32:02,504 --> 00:32:04,048 that he wanted to experiment with, 611 00:32:04,256 --> 00:32:05,966 he wanted to play with, 612 00:32:06,175 --> 00:32:08,886 and that gave him a perfect opportunity. 613 00:32:24,234 --> 00:32:26,654 He's a supporting role, 614 00:32:26,862 --> 00:32:27,780 but I remember him 615 00:32:27,988 --> 00:32:30,407 more than anything else in the movie, 616 00:32:30,616 --> 00:32:31,450 and he didn't do much. 617 00:32:31,659 --> 00:32:34,370 He was sort of deadpan, you know? 618 00:32:34,578 --> 00:32:36,538 He didn't do a lot of busy performances. 619 00:32:36,747 --> 00:32:38,582 That's the power of Heath Ledger, 620 00:32:38,791 --> 00:32:42,419 even when he was young, even as a supporting actor, 621 00:32:42,628 --> 00:32:45,005 he will steal the movie, steal the whole show. 622 00:32:45,214 --> 00:32:47,925 It sort of turned things a little bit, 623 00:32:48,133 --> 00:32:51,136 and people viewed him a slightly different way, 624 00:32:51,345 --> 00:32:53,681 a little bit more of a dramatic actor. 625 00:32:53,889 --> 00:32:56,475 When I read Spider-Man, I talked to him about it, 626 00:32:56,684 --> 00:32:58,811 and he was almost immediate that he said, 627 00:32:59,019 --> 00:33:00,020 "That makes no sense for me. 628 00:33:00,229 --> 00:33:02,564 I can't possibly be Peter Parker." 629 00:33:02,773 --> 00:33:03,941 He was looking, always, 630 00:33:04,149 --> 00:33:06,568 for something that was gonna be truly challenging, 631 00:33:06,777 --> 00:33:07,903 to try to figure out ways 632 00:33:08,112 --> 00:33:10,572 that he could absolutely disappear into a character 633 00:33:10,781 --> 00:33:12,199 and almost be unrecognizable. 634 00:33:12,408 --> 00:33:15,035 That's what really drove him. 635 00:33:19,373 --> 00:33:22,292 In his process of picking what film he was gonna do, 636 00:33:22,501 --> 00:33:24,378 most of that came from who was directing it. 637 00:33:24,586 --> 00:33:26,547 Shekhar was a director 638 00:33:26,755 --> 00:33:28,632 that he always wanted to work with. 639 00:33:30,384 --> 00:33:34,221 He recommended Heath, myself... 640 00:33:34,430 --> 00:33:38,225 We go out in the desert by ourselves. 641 00:33:38,434 --> 00:33:40,686 You know, just the two of us. 642 00:33:43,731 --> 00:33:46,900 Heath stood there, looking down the valley, 643 00:33:47,109 --> 00:33:51,447 and we both just started yelling, 644 00:33:51,655 --> 00:33:55,784 trying to see how far your voice will carry. 645 00:33:55,993 --> 00:33:57,578 It's you and the desert. 646 00:33:57,786 --> 00:34:00,039 You're forced to look at yourself. 647 00:34:00,247 --> 00:34:01,707 The impression you have of yourself 648 00:34:01,915 --> 00:34:02,875 when you look in the mirror 649 00:34:03,083 --> 00:34:04,334 is up to you. 650 00:34:04,543 --> 00:34:07,046 You can see whatever you want to see, 651 00:34:07,254 --> 00:34:09,965 and you can be whoever you want to be. 652 00:34:12,718 --> 00:34:14,970 He was really at the start of a journey 653 00:34:15,179 --> 00:34:18,140 that was a lot more focused as an artist. 654 00:34:20,392 --> 00:34:22,519 Acting is learning about the life around you 655 00:34:22,728 --> 00:34:24,229 and the person you are. 656 00:34:24,438 --> 00:34:26,356 You can learn all the techniques in the world, 657 00:34:26,565 --> 00:34:28,233 but if you know nothing about life and yourself, 658 00:34:28,442 --> 00:34:30,652 then you're at a loss. 659 00:34:30,861 --> 00:34:32,196 And since we have to believe it, 660 00:34:32,404 --> 00:34:34,031 for us, for the audience to believe 661 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,533 what you're putting out there, 662 00:34:36,742 --> 00:34:39,161 you must believe it yourself. 663 00:34:39,369 --> 00:34:44,333 I will not be responsible for your death. 664 00:34:44,541 --> 00:34:47,169 How could you be responsible for my death? 665 00:34:51,757 --> 00:34:54,426 I will die if it is God's will... 666 00:34:55,969 --> 00:34:57,513 Yes? 667 00:34:59,890 --> 00:35:02,226 That film was a bit of a soul-searching. 668 00:35:02,434 --> 00:35:04,061 We all grew from that film. 669 00:35:05,979 --> 00:35:09,066 He told me that when they wrapped his character, 670 00:35:09,274 --> 00:35:12,402 he stood in the middle of the whole set 671 00:35:12,611 --> 00:35:14,947 and collapsed. 672 00:35:27,584 --> 00:35:30,712 I'd been asked to do this movie called Ned Kelly. 673 00:35:30,921 --> 00:35:32,589 A small role, 674 00:35:32,798 --> 00:35:36,343 but I was interested because of Heath. 675 00:35:36,552 --> 00:35:39,388 I thought he was really a powerful young actor. 676 00:35:41,223 --> 00:35:45,811 I remember the first day on-set, and I was blown away. 677 00:35:46,019 --> 00:35:49,565 I just felt an incredible connection very quickly, 678 00:35:49,773 --> 00:35:54,361 so intense that it was sort of quite shocking. 679 00:35:59,700 --> 00:36:01,535 We connected about acting, 680 00:36:01,743 --> 00:36:03,912 and he saw the work that I was putting in 681 00:36:04,121 --> 00:36:05,497 and also working with a dialect coach 682 00:36:05,706 --> 00:36:07,166 and acting coaches, 683 00:36:07,374 --> 00:36:08,584 and he was looking to change it up. 684 00:36:10,544 --> 00:36:14,464 His approach to his work was always very intense. 685 00:36:14,673 --> 00:36:16,425 He had the voice down. 686 00:36:16,633 --> 00:36:20,512 He had these sort of intense eyes. 687 00:36:23,223 --> 00:36:27,519 It takes some real focus to make that shift 688 00:36:27,728 --> 00:36:30,522 into the world of what he felt was more artistic. 689 00:36:32,941 --> 00:36:36,486 He really, truly was an artist. 690 00:36:36,695 --> 00:36:39,198 We knew his visual talent from the photography, 691 00:36:39,406 --> 00:36:42,868 but I didn't know that it was going to get so serious. 692 00:36:46,538 --> 00:36:47,497 He called me, 693 00:36:47,706 --> 00:36:49,166 and he was like, "Man, I've got this idea, 694 00:36:49,374 --> 00:36:50,500 and we're gonna make this video." 695 00:36:50,709 --> 00:36:53,212 I'm thinking, "You've got so much to do. 696 00:36:53,420 --> 00:36:55,130 How do you have time to consider me? 697 00:36:55,339 --> 00:36:56,340 How do you have time to think about this? 698 00:36:56,548 --> 00:36:58,550 How do you even have the care?" 699 00:36:58,759 --> 00:37:00,010 That's what was going on in my head 700 00:37:00,219 --> 00:37:01,845 while he's talking me through this idea. 701 00:37:02,054 --> 00:37:04,223 "How? How do you do this? 702 00:37:04,431 --> 00:37:06,516 How do you stay so active? How do you stay so interested? 703 00:37:06,725 --> 00:37:08,769 How do you burn so bright all the time?" 704 00:37:08,977 --> 00:37:10,854 It's just how he always was, 705 00:37:11,063 --> 00:37:13,607 and I was more than happy to be one of his test subjects 706 00:37:13,815 --> 00:37:15,150 towards becoming a director... 707 00:37:15,359 --> 00:37:16,276 Ca use an effect... 708 00:37:16,485 --> 00:37:17,361 ...And let's just do it. 709 00:37:17,569 --> 00:37:19,446 Let's just grab a camera and shoot. 710 00:37:22,616 --> 00:37:25,077 Okay, let's do your eye. 711 00:37:25,285 --> 00:37:25,911 All right. 712 00:37:26,119 --> 00:37:27,371 So let's get on with it. 713 00:37:27,579 --> 00:37:28,372 ♪ Hum ♪ 714 00:37:28,580 --> 00:37:29,498 ♪ Hum ♪ 715 00:37:29,706 --> 00:37:31,750 ♪ Hum hum hum ♪ 716 00:37:31,959 --> 00:37:35,003 Yeah. ♪ Hum hum hum hum hum ♪ 717 00:37:35,212 --> 00:37:36,463 Let's do it. 718 00:37:36,672 --> 00:37:38,966 Throw ya hands in the sky with me 719 00:37:39,174 --> 00:37:41,718 Put 'em up like a dirty cop told ya to freeze 720 00:37:41,927 --> 00:37:43,679 Now close ya hands to a fist and squeeze 721 00:37:43,887 --> 00:37:46,056 If you represent freedom and you fight for peace 722 00:37:46,265 --> 00:37:47,182 It's the all-out fallout 723 00:37:47,391 --> 00:37:48,433 I'll come if you call 724 00:37:48,642 --> 00:37:49,601 Run with it quick I'm fitted fit 725 00:37:49,810 --> 00:37:50,978 More fit than 'em all 726 00:37:51,186 --> 00:37:53,063 More fitter than them busty booty MILFs at the mall 727 00:37:53,272 --> 00:37:54,147 Milk leakin' out the tit 728 00:37:54,356 --> 00:37:55,524 I pounce quick and I maul 729 00:37:55,732 --> 00:37:57,693 Them baller cats need to sit back on the bench 730 00:37:57,901 --> 00:38:00,153 N'fa's the fresh breath amongst the virulent stench 731 00:38:00,362 --> 00:38:01,071 The violence won't end 732 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:02,489 I document with Biro or pen 733 00:38:02,698 --> 00:38:04,074 Blood leaking while they're freaking 734 00:38:04,283 --> 00:38:05,575 I'm performing and trying to take it in 735 00:38:05,784 --> 00:38:07,703 and trying to impress my mate. 736 00:38:07,911 --> 00:38:10,330 Despite who he is to the world, he's still my mate, 737 00:38:10,539 --> 00:38:12,666 and I'm trying to impress that and get him going, 738 00:38:12,874 --> 00:38:13,875 and he's getting me going. 739 00:38:16,461 --> 00:38:18,171 Throw ya hands in the sky with me 740 00:38:18,380 --> 00:38:20,882 Put 'em up like a dirty cop told ya to freeze 741 00:38:21,091 --> 00:38:22,467 Now close ya hands to a fist and squeeze 742 00:38:22,676 --> 00:38:25,095 The louder he got, the more into it I got. 743 00:38:26,138 --> 00:38:27,806 I grab my balls and I spit on the floor 744 00:38:28,015 --> 00:38:30,058 Throw a fist for freedom to shock all y'all 745 00:38:30,267 --> 00:38:31,268 No 50/50 746 00:38:31,476 --> 00:38:32,644 If you ain't with me then fuck all y'all 747 00:38:32,853 --> 00:38:33,812 If ya with me let me hear ya roar 748 00:38:34,021 --> 00:38:35,105 Come on now 749 00:38:35,314 --> 00:38:36,606 If he wants me to bark at me what to do, 750 00:38:36,815 --> 00:38:37,733 Imma take it, 751 00:38:37,941 --> 00:38:40,527 because the best guy in the planet 752 00:38:40,736 --> 00:38:42,529 is telling me how to be better. 753 00:38:42,738 --> 00:38:44,823 If you represent freedom and you fight for peace 754 00:38:45,032 --> 00:38:46,450 To work with one of my very best friends 755 00:38:46,658 --> 00:38:47,659 and do something creative, 756 00:38:47,868 --> 00:38:49,286 like, there's not much better than that. 757 00:38:49,494 --> 00:38:51,413 Now close ya hands to a fist and squeeze 758 00:38:51,621 --> 00:38:54,041 If you represent freedom and you fight for peace 759 00:39:01,882 --> 00:39:02,507 It's big today. 760 00:39:03,842 --> 00:39:04,926 They're there, huh? 761 00:39:05,135 --> 00:39:06,178 That's Skip charging. 762 00:39:14,519 --> 00:39:15,896 Shit, dude. 763 00:39:16,104 --> 00:39:17,731 My first concern 764 00:39:17,939 --> 00:39:19,733 when I heard that he wanted to play the part 765 00:39:19,941 --> 00:39:22,944 was I kind of really wanted more of a character actor, 766 00:39:23,153 --> 00:39:23,987 in a way. 767 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,574 Philip Seymour Hoffman looked more like Skip, 768 00:39:27,783 --> 00:39:30,202 then Heath Ledger is, like, a heartthrob or whatever. 769 00:39:30,410 --> 00:39:31,328 I'm like, "Wait a minute. 770 00:39:31,536 --> 00:39:33,789 I don't know if this is gonna work." 771 00:39:33,997 --> 00:39:35,624 Heath, he came in and talked to me, 772 00:39:35,832 --> 00:39:37,542 how he would really get into that character 773 00:39:37,751 --> 00:39:39,086 and craft it, 774 00:39:39,294 --> 00:39:43,382 and he decided he had to get teeth made like Skip's teeth... 775 00:39:43,590 --> 00:39:45,467 Back to the boneyard for you, pal. 776 00:39:45,675 --> 00:39:48,303 ...So that he would feel that he was Skip 777 00:39:48,512 --> 00:39:50,222 and talk the way Skip talked. 778 00:39:50,430 --> 00:39:53,475 This interest in the exterior and the craft 779 00:39:53,683 --> 00:39:56,269 and the way that the characters would look and sound 780 00:39:56,478 --> 00:39:58,897 and physically look onscreen, 781 00:39:59,106 --> 00:40:00,816 he was sort of a painter in that way, 782 00:40:01,024 --> 00:40:03,485 but he also had a psychological interest in his characters. 783 00:40:03,693 --> 00:40:04,986 Oh, nice socks, man. 784 00:40:05,195 --> 00:40:06,488 Nice socks, nice socks. 785 00:40:06,696 --> 00:40:08,031 If you don't have a sense of play 786 00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:09,574 and if you're too serious, 787 00:40:09,783 --> 00:40:12,327 the odds are you're gonna be too much of a tightass 788 00:40:12,536 --> 00:40:15,872 to create characters. 789 00:40:16,081 --> 00:40:16,832 Skip Engblom 790 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,459 and the Zephyr skateboard team. 791 00:40:19,668 --> 00:40:20,502 Here's our entry fees. 792 00:40:20,710 --> 00:40:22,254 Now, where's our trophies? 793 00:40:22,462 --> 00:40:23,672 I don't think he would be afraid 794 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:25,715 to try any acting technique. 795 00:40:25,924 --> 00:40:27,050 He had a confidence, 796 00:40:27,259 --> 00:40:30,262 but he wasn't afraid to go and check the monitor 797 00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:32,222 and watch playback afterwards. 798 00:40:37,227 --> 00:40:39,771 He wanted to keep exploring with it and pushing it. 799 00:40:39,980 --> 00:40:42,482 He knew that he'd get it right when the time came. 800 00:40:42,691 --> 00:40:45,277 Well, Heath was just so open and curious 801 00:40:45,485 --> 00:40:47,821 and absorbing everything around him. 802 00:40:50,740 --> 00:40:52,159 He fully transformed himself. 803 00:40:52,367 --> 00:40:54,828 He has a wig, he has the teeth, 804 00:40:55,036 --> 00:40:58,248 and he just slides into this crazy other skin. 805 00:41:02,878 --> 00:41:04,963 One thing that I don't think people realize, 806 00:41:05,172 --> 00:41:07,466 as fantastic as he was in Brokeback Mountain, 807 00:41:07,674 --> 00:41:10,677 he left Lords of Dogtown 808 00:41:10,886 --> 00:41:14,389 and was playing that role about seven days later. 809 00:41:14,598 --> 00:41:16,016 Come on, you fuckin' homo. 810 00:41:16,224 --> 00:41:20,479 I probably fancied that I was staying in character 811 00:41:20,687 --> 00:41:24,107 by teasing him about going to do this gay cowboy movie, 812 00:41:24,316 --> 00:41:27,152 and I said one... 813 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,614 one ribbing too much about the Brokeback, 814 00:41:30,822 --> 00:41:33,742 and he just gave me this look. 815 00:41:33,950 --> 00:41:36,953 It was like, "shut the fuck up," 816 00:41:37,162 --> 00:41:41,583 and I realized, I was like... 817 00:41:41,791 --> 00:41:46,546 And, um, I didn't say anything about it afterwards. 818 00:41:57,724 --> 00:42:00,101 Before Brokeback Mountain came out, 819 00:42:00,310 --> 00:42:01,478 it would've been unthinkable 820 00:42:01,686 --> 00:42:07,234 to have a romantic tragedy involving two gay cowboys, 821 00:42:07,442 --> 00:42:11,196 which are the very symbol of American masculinity. 822 00:42:32,175 --> 00:42:36,012 This is one of the biggest heartthrobs on Earth 823 00:42:36,221 --> 00:42:39,057 taking on that character. 824 00:42:39,266 --> 00:42:43,436 That's balls, and that's an artist. 825 00:42:48,525 --> 00:42:50,402 When his name popped up from casting, 826 00:42:50,610 --> 00:42:53,363 I did have a little hesitation. 827 00:42:53,572 --> 00:42:56,032 I didn't know at that time if he can carry a movie, 828 00:42:56,241 --> 00:42:59,327 which is what he needs to do in Brokeback Mountain. 829 00:42:59,536 --> 00:43:01,371 Monster's Ball is really the reason 830 00:43:01,580 --> 00:43:03,915 I chose him for Brokeback Mountain. 831 00:43:04,124 --> 00:43:05,000 I was that impressed. 832 00:43:07,752 --> 00:43:09,462 The bottom line is, 833 00:43:09,671 --> 00:43:11,548 we're around each other, 834 00:43:11,756 --> 00:43:16,469 and this thing grabs hold of us again 835 00:43:16,678 --> 00:43:21,266 in the wrong place and the wrong time, 836 00:43:21,474 --> 00:43:22,267 then we're dead. 837 00:43:23,768 --> 00:43:25,145 The self-hatred and complexity, 838 00:43:25,353 --> 00:43:26,938 that just caught me right away. 839 00:43:27,147 --> 00:43:28,398 He clenched his fists 840 00:43:28,607 --> 00:43:30,692 and biting his teeth the whole time. 841 00:43:32,444 --> 00:43:34,904 There was no doubt in his mind 842 00:43:35,113 --> 00:43:36,906 he was that person. 843 00:43:37,115 --> 00:43:39,951 If you can find that character in you, 844 00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,038 then that's your success. 845 00:43:43,246 --> 00:43:44,456 That's golden. 846 00:43:44,664 --> 00:43:46,625 That's...that's the magic. 847 00:43:48,168 --> 00:43:50,003 Ennis, I wanted him to be clenched, 848 00:43:50,211 --> 00:43:52,297 and I wanted his mouth to be a clenched fist, 849 00:43:52,505 --> 00:43:53,590 and I wanted the words 850 00:43:53,798 --> 00:43:55,759 to be just punching their way out from within, 851 00:43:55,967 --> 00:43:59,554 and just any form of expression had to be painful. 852 00:43:59,763 --> 00:44:02,515 Heath played a character that was very few words. 853 00:44:02,724 --> 00:44:05,101 That's the impression people get. 854 00:44:05,310 --> 00:44:06,311 That's why he's a good actor. 855 00:44:06,519 --> 00:44:08,647 He has the most lines in the movie, 856 00:44:08,855 --> 00:44:12,025 but he just say it like a man with few words. 857 00:44:12,233 --> 00:44:15,570 He just has to while... doing those lines. 858 00:44:18,865 --> 00:44:20,450 I don't like actor to look at monitor, 859 00:44:20,659 --> 00:44:23,703 'cause I think actor is to be seen 860 00:44:23,912 --> 00:44:27,207 and the monitor is for filmmakers to look at, 861 00:44:27,415 --> 00:44:28,500 the viewers to look at, 862 00:44:28,708 --> 00:44:30,627 and when these actors look at themselves, 863 00:44:30,835 --> 00:44:31,795 it messes up their performances. 864 00:44:32,003 --> 00:44:33,129 It's too aware. 865 00:44:33,338 --> 00:44:36,466 I've never had anybody argue with me on that one, 866 00:44:36,675 --> 00:44:38,927 but Heath is the only person... 867 00:44:39,135 --> 00:44:40,804 He would just walk up to the camera. 868 00:44:41,012 --> 00:44:43,431 At first, I was a little taken aback, 869 00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,725 'cause I have to say that or he'll watch it anyway. 870 00:44:45,934 --> 00:44:47,769 It doesn't look like he's self-aware. 871 00:44:47,977 --> 00:44:49,187 It just got better. 872 00:44:49,396 --> 00:44:53,775 Take after take, he tried to hit a target. 873 00:44:53,983 --> 00:44:56,319 There is a target he tried to hit, 874 00:44:56,528 --> 00:44:58,071 and when he hits it, it's beautiful. 875 00:45:03,076 --> 00:45:06,538 Michelle is a brilliant actress and person, as well, 876 00:45:06,746 --> 00:45:08,665 very intelligent, natural for that role. 877 00:45:12,627 --> 00:45:13,420 The performance they have, 878 00:45:13,628 --> 00:45:16,548 that relationship in the movie, 879 00:45:16,756 --> 00:45:17,674 was really memorable. 880 00:45:19,676 --> 00:45:21,761 We're filming the toboggan, 881 00:45:21,970 --> 00:45:23,263 and I look at the producer, 882 00:45:23,471 --> 00:45:26,599 I look at the stunt coordinator, and "Yeah, it's a toboggan." 883 00:45:26,808 --> 00:45:27,517 Whsssh... 884 00:45:31,730 --> 00:45:33,022 And they flip. 885 00:45:33,231 --> 00:45:36,609 It didn't look like much from where we were seeing, 886 00:45:36,818 --> 00:45:38,361 but she was hurt, 887 00:45:38,570 --> 00:45:40,113 and when we reached the hospital, 888 00:45:40,321 --> 00:45:41,823 we saw Heath sort of holding her hand, 889 00:45:42,031 --> 00:45:43,616 trying to comfort her, 890 00:45:43,825 --> 00:45:47,078 and it was pretty obvious, his interest in her, 891 00:45:47,287 --> 00:45:48,913 so that's pretty quickly it happened. 892 00:45:51,958 --> 00:45:54,377 He goes, "I want you to meet Michelle." 893 00:45:54,586 --> 00:45:55,587 She hugs me in this way 894 00:45:55,795 --> 00:45:59,007 that she kind of climbs into my entire soul 895 00:45:59,215 --> 00:46:00,675 and squeezes me. 896 00:46:00,884 --> 00:46:01,634 I've never been squeezed like that 897 00:46:01,843 --> 00:46:04,471 by someone I hadn't met before. 898 00:46:04,679 --> 00:46:05,972 Like, "Oh, it's so nice to meet you..." 899 00:46:06,181 --> 00:46:08,057 That sweet accent that she has. 900 00:46:10,810 --> 00:46:12,020 He said, "I've got a surprise." 901 00:46:14,606 --> 00:46:16,441 "I'm gonna be a father." 902 00:46:16,649 --> 00:46:17,609 He was pumped. 903 00:46:17,817 --> 00:46:19,152 He was so excited. 904 00:46:21,321 --> 00:46:22,197 You know, after Brokeback, 905 00:46:22,405 --> 00:46:23,865 it really started to happen. 906 00:46:24,073 --> 00:46:27,702 It was gonna be an important film, 907 00:46:27,911 --> 00:46:30,747 and there wasn't him leaving the room. 908 00:46:30,955 --> 00:46:33,333 There was a level of maturity 909 00:46:33,541 --> 00:46:36,711 that this was something that he could handle. 910 00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:38,713 Michelle! Together! 911 00:46:38,922 --> 00:46:40,965 It's incredible just to what extent 912 00:46:41,174 --> 00:46:43,468 this film has changed my life. 913 00:46:43,676 --> 00:46:47,472 It's quite miraculous. 914 00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:48,681 Heath felt life deeper 915 00:46:48,890 --> 00:46:50,892 than anyone that I've ever met. 916 00:46:51,100 --> 00:46:55,897 He just took everything in that much deeper. 917 00:46:56,105 --> 00:46:57,482 There was one night at Heath's place, 918 00:46:57,690 --> 00:46:58,691 a little wine, 919 00:46:58,900 --> 00:47:00,318 and then things spin, 920 00:47:00,527 --> 00:47:01,986 and then we were on the piano, 921 00:47:02,195 --> 00:47:03,947 and, you know, just having fun, 922 00:47:04,155 --> 00:47:06,115 and it went into the morning. 923 00:47:06,324 --> 00:47:08,618 Got home, slept in late, 924 00:47:08,827 --> 00:47:10,745 woke up, there was a commotion outside, 925 00:47:10,954 --> 00:47:12,539 knock at the door, dun-dun-dun-dun-dun. 926 00:47:12,747 --> 00:47:16,167 It says here, "A grand piano from one Heath Ledger, 927 00:47:16,376 --> 00:47:19,254 gift to Ben Harper." 928 00:47:19,462 --> 00:47:20,547 I called him right away. 929 00:47:20,755 --> 00:47:22,590 "You're crazy. What are you doing?" you know? 930 00:47:22,799 --> 00:47:25,176 "You're sending me a grand piano. 931 00:47:25,385 --> 00:47:26,886 Like, this is... You can't do this." 932 00:47:27,095 --> 00:47:31,432 "No, mate. It's supposed to be with you." 933 00:47:31,641 --> 00:47:33,351 And what can you say? 934 00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:34,853 What can you say... 935 00:47:35,061 --> 00:47:36,563 Other than "thank you"? 936 00:47:36,771 --> 00:47:38,523 So then a couple weeks later, he calls. 937 00:47:38,731 --> 00:47:41,317 "You know that piano? 938 00:47:41,526 --> 00:47:44,320 I need you to write a lullaby for my daughter 939 00:47:44,529 --> 00:47:48,074 that we can play for her when she's born." 940 00:47:48,283 --> 00:47:49,158 All right. 941 00:47:49,367 --> 00:47:51,536 I've never been trusted so deeply. 942 00:47:51,744 --> 00:47:53,288 Nothing has ever been asked of me 943 00:47:53,496 --> 00:47:54,831 that was that precious. 944 00:48:01,296 --> 00:48:06,801 ♪ The morning sunrise spread her wings ♪ 945 00:48:07,010 --> 00:48:13,099 ♪ While the moon hung in the sky ♪ 946 00:48:13,308 --> 00:48:19,230 ♪ Held the sea in her hands ♪ 947 00:48:19,439 --> 00:48:24,986 ♪ And happy ever after in her eyes ♪ 948 00:48:28,865 --> 00:48:34,245 ♪ All that I can give you ♪ 949 00:48:34,454 --> 00:48:40,752 ♪ Is forever yours to keep ♪ 950 00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:46,549 ♪ Wake up every day with a dream ♪ 951 00:48:46,758 --> 00:48:53,264 ♪ And happy ever after in your eyes ♪ 952 00:48:53,473 --> 00:49:00,146 ♪ Happy ever after is in her eyes ♪ 953 00:49:00,355 --> 00:49:05,193 ♪ Happy ever after is in... ♪ 954 00:49:13,618 --> 00:49:15,078 ♪ Her eyes ♪ 955 00:49:21,209 --> 00:49:23,920 He became more of a dad than an artist... 956 00:49:24,128 --> 00:49:26,756 and to say that for Heath... 957 00:49:26,965 --> 00:49:28,049 That's it. 958 00:49:28,257 --> 00:49:30,343 I mean, that's... It's a huge thing. 959 00:49:35,431 --> 00:49:37,600 He really did change a lot. 960 00:49:37,809 --> 00:49:39,560 It was a really exciting time. 961 00:49:39,769 --> 00:49:41,771 He was out to do everything possible 962 00:49:41,980 --> 00:49:44,732 to be a good dad, and, you know, a good partner, 963 00:49:44,941 --> 00:49:47,193 and everything that we all wish we could be. 964 00:49:47,402 --> 00:49:50,780 He'd reached that spot where "I've got a child. 965 00:49:50,989 --> 00:49:52,198 My life's changed, and hold on, 966 00:49:52,407 --> 00:49:53,616 I've gotta be in charge of my own destiny." 967 00:49:53,825 --> 00:49:56,035 Heath was a fantastic father. 968 00:49:56,244 --> 00:50:00,665 He had so much love for her, and it was so beautiful to see. 969 00:50:00,873 --> 00:50:02,834 Being a dad was, like, 970 00:50:03,042 --> 00:50:05,420 his favorite thing that he ever did. 971 00:50:05,628 --> 00:50:07,922 ♪ River river river river... ♪ 972 00:50:08,131 --> 00:50:10,049 He said he'd be moving to New York. 973 00:50:10,258 --> 00:50:12,301 I thought he was gonna move into the city. 974 00:50:12,510 --> 00:50:14,220 Michelle had plans for Brooklyn. 975 00:50:15,805 --> 00:50:17,557 Being the person that he is, 976 00:50:17,765 --> 00:50:19,642 he fell in love with Brooklyn too. 977 00:50:22,478 --> 00:50:23,813 He said, "I love Michelle. 978 00:50:24,022 --> 00:50:25,356 I love the world we're building. 979 00:50:25,565 --> 00:50:28,651 I love the neighborhood." 980 00:50:28,860 --> 00:50:30,111 They found a beautiful house. 981 00:50:30,319 --> 00:50:32,447 It felt like he was, like, the trailblazer of Brooklyn. 982 00:50:34,032 --> 00:50:35,283 Cruising through the streets of New York 983 00:50:35,491 --> 00:50:36,576 with Matilda on his shoulders. 984 00:50:36,784 --> 00:50:38,369 I mean, that's when he was... 985 00:50:38,578 --> 00:50:39,704 He was just totally happy. 986 00:50:39,912 --> 00:50:42,373 Waking up every morning to that... 987 00:50:42,582 --> 00:50:44,042 that smile, it just... 988 00:50:44,250 --> 00:50:46,044 It just... it brightens your day, 989 00:50:46,252 --> 00:50:47,211 it really does, 990 00:50:47,420 --> 00:50:51,340 and I'm incredibly proud of both of them. 991 00:51:07,690 --> 00:51:09,650 I had given him an early copy of a record of mine 992 00:51:09,859 --> 00:51:11,360 called Both Sides of the Gun. 993 00:51:11,569 --> 00:51:12,653 He was getting into videos, 994 00:51:12,862 --> 00:51:13,863 and he was getting into directing 995 00:51:14,072 --> 00:51:14,906 and getting behind the camera, 996 00:51:15,114 --> 00:51:15,990 and that was... 997 00:51:16,199 --> 00:51:17,283 That was exciting him a lot. 998 00:51:17,492 --> 00:51:20,745 Then I got a call at some crazy hour. 999 00:51:20,953 --> 00:51:21,996 "I really wanna do a video. 1000 00:51:22,205 --> 00:51:24,123 This record means a lot to me. 1001 00:51:24,332 --> 00:51:26,000 How about the song 'Morning Yearning,'" 1002 00:51:26,209 --> 00:51:29,337 and I said, "Heath, that would be amazing, 1003 00:51:29,545 --> 00:51:30,797 and I'm gonna leave you alone. 1004 00:51:31,005 --> 00:51:33,341 I'll show up and I'll do whatever I need you to do." 1005 00:51:34,425 --> 00:51:35,593 Rolling. 1006 00:51:44,811 --> 00:51:46,562 ♪ Morning yearning ♪ 1007 00:51:46,771 --> 00:51:50,817 ♪ It's a morning yearning ♪ 1008 00:51:55,363 --> 00:51:58,741 And he really knew exactly what he wanted to do, 1009 00:51:58,950 --> 00:52:03,579 but what amazed me is how in command he was of everything. 1010 00:52:03,788 --> 00:52:07,500 Heath was a one-man force of nature. 1011 00:52:07,708 --> 00:52:10,461 He would do lights, the colors, the texture... 1012 00:52:13,548 --> 00:52:15,383 He would help with the choreography. 1013 00:52:15,591 --> 00:52:19,095 It was super important to him it wasn't a dance video. 1014 00:52:19,303 --> 00:52:20,680 It couldn't be something you'd seen before. 1015 00:52:23,933 --> 00:52:27,603 ♪ Sun is burning ♪ 1016 00:52:30,314 --> 00:52:32,859 I was just amazed at his prowess with the camera. 1017 00:52:33,067 --> 00:52:34,861 Like, he was calling out numbers 1018 00:52:35,069 --> 00:52:38,239 and, you know, and apertures and the angles. 1019 00:52:38,447 --> 00:52:40,074 He had command of his vision. 1020 00:52:40,283 --> 00:52:45,079 ♪ With hopes of better days to come ♪ 1021 00:52:45,288 --> 00:52:49,792 ♪ It's a morning yearning ♪ 1022 00:52:50,001 --> 00:52:54,213 ♪ Morning yearning ♪ 1023 00:52:56,966 --> 00:52:57,884 He proceeded to make 1024 00:52:58,092 --> 00:52:59,510 the best music video I've ever had 1025 00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:01,762 in my 23 years of making music. 1026 00:53:04,432 --> 00:53:06,100 ♪ Morning yearning ♪ 1027 00:53:06,309 --> 00:53:07,476 The Morning Yearning video 1028 00:53:07,685 --> 00:53:09,270 was shot at this place, Little Radio, downtown. 1029 00:53:09,478 --> 00:53:13,399 Had a soundstage, not too big, not too small. 1030 00:53:13,608 --> 00:53:15,526 They had a pirate radio station. 1031 00:53:15,735 --> 00:53:18,571 They'd do underground shows for underground bands, 1032 00:53:18,779 --> 00:53:20,948 and it was just on the edge. 1033 00:53:21,157 --> 00:53:23,659 The place had a photo booth, and we took a bunch of photos. 1034 00:53:23,868 --> 00:53:27,079 He was constantly revealing the next cool thing, 1035 00:53:27,288 --> 00:53:29,874 but, I mean, I should've known about Little Radio, you know? 1036 00:53:30,082 --> 00:53:31,667 That's my business. 1037 00:53:31,876 --> 00:53:33,502 ♪ Morning yearning ♪ 1038 00:53:33,711 --> 00:53:37,548 ♪ It's a morning yearning ♪ 1039 00:53:37,757 --> 00:53:39,008 When I saw the Morning Yearning video 1040 00:53:39,217 --> 00:53:40,218 for the first time, 1041 00:53:40,426 --> 00:53:41,844 I thought to myself, 1042 00:53:42,053 --> 00:53:45,431 this guy is going to have a lifetime behind the camera 1043 00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:46,557 as well as in front of it. 1044 00:53:54,607 --> 00:53:56,692 Heath decided that he wanted 1045 00:53:56,901 --> 00:54:02,031 to establish his moviemaking company with me. 1046 00:54:02,240 --> 00:54:03,574 All the people that he had met, 1047 00:54:03,783 --> 00:54:08,829 Matt was one that he trusted and he'd actually learned from. 1048 00:54:09,038 --> 00:54:11,082 The fact that we decided to do this together... 1049 00:54:11,290 --> 00:54:14,001 I think a big surprise to a lot of people, actually, 1050 00:54:14,210 --> 00:54:16,545 to the people that Heath was doing business with, 1051 00:54:16,754 --> 00:54:18,756 people that were offering him deals at studios. 1052 00:54:20,299 --> 00:54:22,301 When it was time to get an office for The Masses, 1053 00:54:22,510 --> 00:54:23,970 we made sure that it'd be a place 1054 00:54:24,178 --> 00:54:25,638 where Heath could maintain his privacy. 1055 00:54:25,846 --> 00:54:26,889 We didn't want anybody to know 1056 00:54:27,098 --> 00:54:29,350 that this was Heath Ledger's new office. 1057 00:54:29,558 --> 00:54:32,436 He would enter through the back on his motorcycle, 1058 00:54:32,645 --> 00:54:34,647 of course, cloaked in his helmet, 1059 00:54:34,855 --> 00:54:36,107 and it was like being home. 1060 00:54:36,315 --> 00:54:38,484 "The Masses" is a cool name 1061 00:54:38,693 --> 00:54:40,778 because it's not meant to be exclusive. 1062 00:54:40,987 --> 00:54:43,489 Everyone has the capacity to tell their story. 1063 00:54:45,950 --> 00:54:47,827 And they had the whole floor of a building. 1064 00:54:48,035 --> 00:54:50,079 You knew as soon as you walked up those stairs, 1065 00:54:50,288 --> 00:54:52,748 you were going into, like, the hubbub of creativity. 1066 00:54:59,088 --> 00:55:02,091 Heath had a little slogan, and that was "Keep It Real." 1067 00:55:02,300 --> 00:55:06,554 To do something surprising, mess up the frame a little bit, 1068 00:55:06,762 --> 00:55:08,306 to not be so symmetrical... 1069 00:55:08,514 --> 00:55:10,808 To try something. 1070 00:55:11,017 --> 00:55:12,518 Our profound love of music 1071 00:55:12,727 --> 00:55:16,897 encouraged our idea to have a music company. 1072 00:55:17,106 --> 00:55:17,732 I work with bands. 1073 00:55:17,940 --> 00:55:18,774 I direct music videos, 1074 00:55:18,983 --> 00:55:22,903 and I run a small independent label, 1075 00:55:23,112 --> 00:55:25,573 The Masses, and it's with a whole bunch of my friends, 1076 00:55:25,781 --> 00:55:29,327 who are all just young creators. 1077 00:55:29,535 --> 00:55:32,121 My friend, Grace, she'd been doing just some recording, 1078 00:55:32,330 --> 00:55:34,707 like, very basic kind of like solo recording 1079 00:55:34,915 --> 00:55:36,834 in her bedroom... 1080 00:55:41,297 --> 00:55:46,260 ♪ My dad wrote four words on a tiny piece of paper ♪ 1081 00:55:46,469 --> 00:55:48,971 ♪ These are the stages you'll go through ♪ 1082 00:55:49,180 --> 00:55:52,099 And I emailed him and I said, "How cool is my friend? 1083 00:55:52,308 --> 00:55:54,352 Listen to this song of hers," 1084 00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:57,521 and, literally within, like, 24 hours, I get a reply. 1085 00:55:57,730 --> 00:56:00,399 ♪ Acceptance will come too... ♪ 1086 00:56:00,608 --> 00:56:01,484 "She's amazing. 1087 00:56:01,692 --> 00:56:03,027 Can you put me in touch with her?" 1088 00:56:03,235 --> 00:56:06,238 and I was kind of a bit, like, "What? Oh, yeah, okay. Sure." 1089 00:56:06,447 --> 00:56:11,619 ♪ Or for that matter, rewind ♪ 1090 00:56:11,827 --> 00:56:16,332 ♪ And though you said that time was blind ♪ 1091 00:56:16,540 --> 00:56:21,420 ♪ Now you're in a place that only exists in my mind ♪ 1092 00:56:21,629 --> 00:56:25,049 Literally a month or two later, she was on a plane to L.A. 1093 00:56:25,257 --> 00:56:28,094 He went very quickly from hearing her voice 1094 00:56:28,302 --> 00:56:30,554 and wanting to get her into a recording studio. 1095 00:56:30,763 --> 00:56:32,807 ♪ Ooh... ♪ 1096 00:56:33,015 --> 00:56:34,100 I knew 1097 00:56:34,308 --> 00:56:36,769 that it was still a young company, The Masses, 1098 00:56:36,977 --> 00:56:38,479 and I almost feel like, in a way, 1099 00:56:38,687 --> 00:56:41,107 they almost weren't prepared for it either. 1100 00:56:41,315 --> 00:56:43,317 It was like one minute we were emailing, 1101 00:56:43,526 --> 00:56:44,402 and the next minute, 1102 00:56:44,610 --> 00:56:45,653 a 17-year-old girl from Australia 1103 00:56:45,861 --> 00:56:48,906 is on their doorstep with a guitar. 1104 00:56:51,075 --> 00:56:53,702 I got a call from Matt Amato 1105 00:56:53,911 --> 00:56:57,623 asking if I could come to the offices of The Masses. 1106 00:57:01,293 --> 00:57:04,505 I was gonna be having a conversation with Heath. 1107 00:57:04,713 --> 00:57:07,007 "Yeah, she's here for another week, 1108 00:57:07,216 --> 00:57:11,929 and we wanna make a whole album and a video... 1109 00:57:14,390 --> 00:57:16,851 And she has some of the songs, but not all of them." 1110 00:57:17,059 --> 00:57:18,936 I was down. "Let's just go do it right now." 1111 00:57:20,229 --> 00:57:23,899 Heath styled it, he found the locations, 1112 00:57:24,108 --> 00:57:25,443 he storyboarded it, 1113 00:57:25,651 --> 00:57:28,362 and I would just say, "Yeah, that sounds amazing." 1114 00:57:28,571 --> 00:57:29,738 I just trusted him. 1115 00:57:29,947 --> 00:57:31,657 I just knew he had this vision. 1116 00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:46,630 What we ended up doing was kind of developing her songs 1117 00:57:46,839 --> 00:57:49,216 and kind of just improvising. 1118 00:57:50,676 --> 00:57:52,094 Heath was very much a part 1119 00:57:52,303 --> 00:57:54,597 of those sessions with Grace and Carlos, 1120 00:57:54,805 --> 00:57:58,684 and, I mean, he financed it himself. 1121 00:57:58,893 --> 00:57:59,935 Heath came in one day 1122 00:58:00,144 --> 00:58:02,146 to come and listen to how it was going. 1123 00:58:02,354 --> 00:58:03,647 We were working on a song. 1124 00:58:05,941 --> 00:58:08,819 We wanted a male vocal in there, and he was there, 1125 00:58:09,028 --> 00:58:11,197 and I was like, "Why don't you do whatever comes to mind, 1126 00:58:11,405 --> 00:58:14,241 like, just have a couple of takes 1127 00:58:14,450 --> 00:58:16,577 and see what comes out," 1128 00:58:16,785 --> 00:58:19,497 and Heath got all nervous, but he just... 1129 00:58:19,705 --> 00:58:21,957 he almost became a character in that moment. 1130 00:58:22,166 --> 00:58:23,334 ♪ Wheels keep on turning ♪ 1131 00:58:23,542 --> 00:58:24,877 ♪ Oh no ♪ 1132 00:58:25,085 --> 00:58:26,253 And he just took on this persona, 1133 00:58:26,462 --> 00:58:28,339 and he had this, like, incredible deep tone. 1134 00:58:28,547 --> 00:58:30,508 ♪ Dee dee dee dee ♪ 1135 00:58:30,716 --> 00:58:33,260 There she is, going through the door, 1136 00:58:33,469 --> 00:58:36,055 teardrops falling from her fingernails. 1137 00:58:36,263 --> 00:58:38,307 She's hiding, gone forever, 1138 00:58:38,516 --> 00:58:41,644 somewhere in a California dream. 1139 00:58:47,358 --> 00:58:48,192 Afterwards, he was like, "Is that okay? 1140 00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:49,235 Is that all right?" 1141 00:58:49,443 --> 00:58:50,778 I was, like, "Of course it is." 1142 00:58:50,986 --> 00:58:52,571 ♪ I'm outta my mind ♪ - He could do no wrong. 1143 00:58:52,780 --> 00:58:53,989 ♪ I don't know where I'm goin' ♪ 1144 00:58:54,198 --> 00:58:55,491 ♪ There's not enough time ♪ 1145 00:58:55,699 --> 00:58:57,868 ♪ Yeah, the wheels keep on turnin' ♪ 1146 00:59:18,430 --> 00:59:23,477 I would describe Heath's energy as being absolutely limitless. 1147 00:59:23,686 --> 00:59:28,440 He was tapping into something completely different. 1148 00:59:28,649 --> 00:59:29,608 That was just him. 1149 00:59:29,817 --> 00:59:30,859 He just had too much energy... 1150 00:59:31,068 --> 00:59:32,695 Too many thoughts, too much to do, 1151 00:59:32,903 --> 00:59:34,238 too much creativity. 1152 00:59:34,446 --> 00:59:36,073 When you feel that good, you don't sleep. 1153 00:59:37,825 --> 00:59:41,954 He spent so many hours awake, it was like he was 50... 1154 00:59:42,162 --> 00:59:45,874 Based off living, awake years. 1155 00:59:46,083 --> 00:59:47,209 The stories I hear from all these different people, 1156 00:59:47,418 --> 00:59:48,460 I'm like, "Man, he did that with you too? 1157 00:59:48,669 --> 00:59:49,795 He used to call you at this time? 1158 00:59:50,004 --> 00:59:51,005 He did that?" 1159 00:59:51,213 --> 00:59:52,756 How many people was he like that with? 1160 00:59:52,965 --> 00:59:55,467 We talked so many times a day, you know, on the phone, 1161 00:59:55,676 --> 00:59:56,802 if we weren't in the same city. 1162 00:59:57,011 --> 00:59:59,638 If something caught fire with him, 1163 00:59:59,847 --> 01:00:02,683 he would hit me in the morning with an idea, 1164 01:00:02,891 --> 01:00:06,895 and he'd become, you know, mildly obsessive. 1165 01:00:08,063 --> 01:00:09,898 Midnight, one in the morning... 1166 01:00:10,107 --> 01:00:11,775 and this was land lines, you know, 1167 01:00:11,984 --> 01:00:12,860 in the day of like, you know, 1168 01:00:13,068 --> 01:00:13,986 when people still had land lines, 1169 01:00:14,194 --> 01:00:16,155 so it would be that loud, like, ring! 1170 01:00:21,076 --> 01:00:22,453 It's Heath. 1171 01:00:22,661 --> 01:00:26,582 Like... "Hey, man, can I call you at, like, eight?" 1172 01:00:28,459 --> 01:00:29,835 Or he'd show up for breakfast... 1173 01:00:30,044 --> 01:00:31,920 show up at, like, six. 1174 01:00:32,129 --> 01:00:33,714 He'd be waiting outside my house 1175 01:00:33,922 --> 01:00:36,133 at 5:30, 6:00 a.m., 1176 01:00:36,342 --> 01:00:37,509 ready to go. 1177 01:00:37,718 --> 01:00:40,387 Like, literally, not a text, not a phone call... 1178 01:00:40,596 --> 01:00:41,347 Just "I'm at the gate." 1179 01:00:41,555 --> 01:00:43,891 He'd crash our breakfast. 1180 01:00:51,774 --> 01:00:53,484 He never slept. He never re... 1181 01:00:53,692 --> 01:00:55,694 His email... 1182 01:00:57,655 --> 01:01:01,075 His email was l'llberunningaround 1183 01:01:01,283 --> 01:01:04,078 at something something dot com... 1184 01:01:05,412 --> 01:01:06,205 and he always was. 1185 01:01:18,967 --> 01:01:19,968 You always wonder 1186 01:01:20,177 --> 01:01:23,847 if people sense their own mortality. 1187 01:01:24,056 --> 01:01:26,684 Certain people have that power... 1188 01:01:28,268 --> 01:01:30,729 and if anybody did, it was him. 1189 01:01:45,828 --> 01:01:47,287 Talked about Nick Drake, 1190 01:01:47,496 --> 01:01:50,416 a musician that he was absolutely passionate about 1191 01:01:50,624 --> 01:01:51,625 and wanted to tell his story, 1192 01:01:51,834 --> 01:01:53,961 how he died 1193 01:01:54,169 --> 01:01:56,130 and his process of creating music. 1194 01:02:01,260 --> 01:02:03,679 It was all about Nick Drake. 1195 01:02:03,887 --> 01:02:06,140 Heath was... I mean, he was gone. 1196 01:02:08,142 --> 01:02:10,310 He was all things Nick at that time. 1197 01:02:10,519 --> 01:02:12,146 I mean, he had every record. 1198 01:02:12,354 --> 01:02:13,480 He had interviews. 1199 01:02:13,689 --> 01:02:15,399 He was completely immersed in Nick Drake. 1200 01:02:19,987 --> 01:02:21,447 Always playing his music 1201 01:02:21,655 --> 01:02:24,116 and talking about the visuals that he would put to this music. 1202 01:02:26,410 --> 01:02:28,620 It escalated more and more 1203 01:02:28,829 --> 01:02:29,830 and became a huge passion for him. 1204 01:02:36,295 --> 01:02:38,589 He'd always had this thing for these artists, 1205 01:02:38,797 --> 01:02:42,217 people who died at, like, 27, 1206 01:02:42,426 --> 01:02:44,511 like Kurt Cobain and Janis Joplin 1207 01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:45,554 and this whole list of people. 1208 01:02:47,306 --> 01:02:50,184 At a young age, he was like, "I'm just like these people." 1209 01:02:51,268 --> 01:02:52,060 It was weird. 1210 01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:56,023 I remember him saying, "I've got a lot to do. 1211 01:02:56,231 --> 01:02:58,317 I don't feel like I have much time. 1212 01:02:58,525 --> 01:03:00,319 I just don't think I'm going to be around that long, so... 1213 01:03:00,527 --> 01:03:01,528 Don't know why. 1214 01:03:01,737 --> 01:03:03,655 I've just got to get things done now." 1215 01:03:15,375 --> 01:03:16,418 I guess our story together 1216 01:03:16,627 --> 01:03:18,712 kind of chronicles his love life, 1217 01:03:18,921 --> 01:03:20,881 his struggles with love and a relationship 1218 01:03:21,089 --> 01:03:22,299 and they're trying to manage 1219 01:03:22,508 --> 01:03:25,302 both his professional life and his private life. 1220 01:03:25,511 --> 01:03:27,930 It's a bit of a double-edged sword, I believe, 1221 01:03:28,138 --> 01:03:29,890 'cause a part of you wants to stay at home 1222 01:03:30,098 --> 01:03:31,600 and do nothing for the rest of your life, 1223 01:03:31,809 --> 01:03:32,810 but as soon as you're there, 1224 01:03:33,018 --> 01:03:34,770 you want to get out and start working. 1225 01:03:34,978 --> 01:03:35,771 There's a fascination 1226 01:03:35,979 --> 01:03:38,857 and an addiction to the lifestyle. 1227 01:03:39,066 --> 01:03:42,528 Heath brought something to the part, 1228 01:03:42,736 --> 01:03:45,948 and it wasn't the movie star part 1229 01:03:46,156 --> 01:03:47,616 that he brought. 1230 01:03:47,825 --> 01:03:50,786 There was a credibility and vulnerability 1231 01:03:50,994 --> 01:03:52,788 to his performance. 1232 01:03:52,996 --> 01:03:59,002 He was always able to show his struggle or conflict 1233 01:03:59,211 --> 01:04:00,963 in whatever character he played, 1234 01:04:01,171 --> 01:04:03,715 that he personalized the performance. 1235 01:04:06,552 --> 01:04:08,053 Not with the girls. 1236 01:04:09,388 --> 01:04:10,138 Yes, Robbie. 1237 01:04:10,347 --> 01:04:11,598 - No. - Robbie! 1238 01:04:11,807 --> 01:04:13,934 You're not taking my kids! 1239 01:04:14,142 --> 01:04:16,395 Relationships happen. Relationships go wrong. 1240 01:04:16,603 --> 01:04:17,813 If you haven't been through it yet, 1241 01:04:18,021 --> 01:04:19,231 you don't know how to adjust and cope, 1242 01:04:19,439 --> 01:04:21,608 and then you're in the father position, 1243 01:04:21,817 --> 01:04:22,943 partner position, 1244 01:04:23,151 --> 01:04:24,987 and you're doing things that aren't quite right. 1245 01:04:31,994 --> 01:04:34,997 I'm Not There is really art imitating life 1246 01:04:35,205 --> 01:04:38,125 in such a beautiful, painful way. 1247 01:04:42,629 --> 01:04:43,714 I feel he was struggling 1248 01:04:43,922 --> 01:04:46,633 with being able to give Michelle and Matilda 1249 01:04:46,842 --> 01:04:48,260 all the attention he wanted to. 1250 01:04:48,468 --> 01:04:50,762 Their breakup was tough enough. 1251 01:04:50,971 --> 01:04:54,600 I really felt the... for Michelle, 1252 01:04:54,808 --> 01:04:57,436 a lot of stuff was projected on her. 1253 01:05:00,522 --> 01:05:02,691 It was pretty heartbreaking and upsetting. 1254 01:05:04,568 --> 01:05:06,695 Things were unraveling for Heath. 1255 01:05:06,904 --> 01:05:10,699 That whole idea of controlling your destiny, 1256 01:05:10,908 --> 01:05:13,493 designing your destiny... 1257 01:05:13,702 --> 01:05:17,706 the unraveling was not part of the design, 1258 01:05:17,915 --> 01:05:19,333 and he couldn't control it. 1259 01:05:22,169 --> 01:05:26,256 So his lack of sleep and needing to sleep 1260 01:05:26,465 --> 01:05:27,925 had a big effect on him. 1261 01:05:29,843 --> 01:05:32,971 He had to take medicated sleeping, 1262 01:05:33,180 --> 01:05:34,389 which wasn't good for his body. 1263 01:05:40,062 --> 01:05:41,772 I ran into him in New York. 1264 01:05:41,980 --> 01:05:44,775 I hadn't seen him for a couple of years, 1265 01:05:44,983 --> 01:05:48,403 and wow, Heath has... changed, 1266 01:05:48,612 --> 01:05:49,947 but the way he has changed 1267 01:05:50,155 --> 01:05:52,866 kind of, like, got me a little concerned, you know... 1268 01:05:54,993 --> 01:05:56,745 and I looked at him and I thought, wow... 1269 01:06:00,415 --> 01:06:02,584 with a bit of a concern, you know? 1270 01:06:16,932 --> 01:06:19,101 We had a few tough times together, 1271 01:06:19,309 --> 01:06:21,353 like, sadnesses in life. 1272 01:06:26,191 --> 01:06:28,986 Music is absolutely healing. 1273 01:06:31,154 --> 01:06:34,908 Music was a way for him to heal himself. 1274 01:06:36,451 --> 01:06:38,870 Nick, can you play River of Life? 1275 01:06:41,248 --> 01:06:42,416 There you go. Yay! 1276 01:06:42,624 --> 01:06:44,751 River of Life. 1277 01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:49,214 If you asked Heath who he was, 1278 01:06:49,423 --> 01:06:51,800 he would tell you he was an actor, 1279 01:06:52,009 --> 01:06:53,593 he was a filmmaker, 1280 01:06:53,802 --> 01:06:55,012 and he was a brother. 1281 01:06:55,220 --> 01:06:57,472 He was a brother to me, and to many. 1282 01:07:00,851 --> 01:07:02,853 I guess being friends with Heath, 1283 01:07:03,061 --> 01:07:05,605 someone so big and glamorous 1284 01:07:05,814 --> 01:07:08,066 and... action hero 1285 01:07:08,275 --> 01:07:10,318 and all that stuff... 1286 01:07:10,527 --> 01:07:14,948 The fact that he carried that gentility in his heart 1287 01:07:15,157 --> 01:07:19,661 and made that an active principle for himself 1288 01:07:19,870 --> 01:07:22,039 gave me certain strength too... 1289 01:07:28,170 --> 01:07:30,547 And he would always encourage me. 1290 01:07:30,756 --> 01:07:31,840 Like, I'd see a wave coming, 1291 01:07:32,049 --> 01:07:33,050 and he'd say, "Don't be afraid to fall..." 1292 01:07:37,345 --> 01:07:40,807 and that was a real important aspect of who Heath was. 1293 01:07:42,225 --> 01:07:45,395 He didn't have that kind of fear. 1294 01:07:50,192 --> 01:07:51,359 He was going to direct his first film, 1295 01:07:51,568 --> 01:07:54,529 which was The Queen's Gambit, about a chess player. 1296 01:08:00,285 --> 01:08:02,662 His love of chess was, you know, legendary. 1297 01:08:04,539 --> 01:08:07,167 I always felt that he was five moves in front of me. 1298 01:08:07,375 --> 01:08:10,378 By the time he was 10 or 11 or so, 1299 01:08:10,587 --> 01:08:13,715 it was pretty hard to actually beat him. 1300 01:08:16,176 --> 01:08:18,303 He was an amazing chess player, 1301 01:08:18,512 --> 01:08:20,222 and it's something that we did every day. 1302 01:08:20,430 --> 01:08:22,099 Whether we were together or apart, 1303 01:08:22,307 --> 01:08:25,769 we were playing chess online or chess face to face. 1304 01:08:28,355 --> 01:08:32,442 Heath was trying to achieve a grandmaster status 1305 01:08:32,651 --> 01:08:37,072 and was only a few points away from achieving his goal. 1306 01:08:38,406 --> 01:08:41,368 When he read that story, Queen's Gambit, 1307 01:08:41,576 --> 01:08:44,538 he thought, wow, this could be the right size film 1308 01:08:44,746 --> 01:08:47,624 to take a bite and direct it. 1309 01:08:48,708 --> 01:08:50,418 So this is about a young chess player 1310 01:08:50,627 --> 01:08:54,714 who is addicted to drugs, to pills. 1311 01:08:56,258 --> 01:08:57,717 He understood that story 1312 01:08:57,926 --> 01:09:00,387 from inside out. 1313 01:09:00,595 --> 01:09:02,139 He wanted to use chess 1314 01:09:02,347 --> 01:09:05,809 as a metaphor for the girl's life, 1315 01:09:06,017 --> 01:09:09,020 and he had something to say. 1316 01:09:09,229 --> 01:09:11,022 There are many actors that want to direct 1317 01:09:11,231 --> 01:09:14,693 that almost are the actor directing, 1318 01:09:14,901 --> 01:09:22,826 but he had the ability to communicate his ideas 1319 01:09:23,034 --> 01:09:28,456 that he could translate that into a filmic story. 1320 01:09:28,665 --> 01:09:30,041 The only time that I'm alive 1321 01:09:30,250 --> 01:09:34,045 and living and expressing and feeling and relating 1322 01:09:34,254 --> 01:09:35,714 is when I'm on-set 1323 01:09:35,922 --> 01:09:38,675 in that time between "Action" and "Cut." 1324 01:09:38,884 --> 01:09:40,051 I called Heath, 1325 01:09:40,260 --> 01:09:42,095 and I said, you know, "This is what's happening. 1326 01:09:42,304 --> 01:09:44,472 They're putting together the next Batman film, 1327 01:09:44,681 --> 01:09:47,392 and the Joker's going to be the villain, 1328 01:09:47,601 --> 01:09:49,352 and, you know, is that of interest?" 1329 01:09:49,561 --> 01:09:50,812 And I remember him, you know, 1330 01:09:51,021 --> 01:09:53,648 it was like... there was no pause. 1331 01:09:53,857 --> 01:09:55,609 It was like, "Absolutely. 1332 01:09:55,817 --> 01:09:56,860 I want that. How do I... 1333 01:09:57,068 --> 01:09:58,069 you know, what do we do? 1334 01:09:58,278 --> 01:09:59,654 I'll get on a plane. I'll fly out. 1335 01:09:59,863 --> 01:10:01,072 I want to meet with Chris," you know. 1336 01:10:01,281 --> 01:10:02,324 "Can you get me in a room with Chris Nolan?" 1337 01:10:02,532 --> 01:10:05,368 I'd already seen this world he'd created 1338 01:10:05,577 --> 01:10:06,912 in Batman Begins, 1339 01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:09,039 and so I knew there was an opportunity 1340 01:10:09,247 --> 01:10:11,416 for a new version of the Joker, 1341 01:10:11,625 --> 01:10:12,792 and that excited me, 1342 01:10:13,001 --> 01:10:14,044 and I also knew instantly what to do. 1343 01:10:14,252 --> 01:10:17,047 So we had about a month, roughly two months. 1344 01:10:17,255 --> 01:10:20,091 He had already started to occupy the character. 1345 01:10:20,300 --> 01:10:23,011 I locked myself away for six weeks in a room, 1346 01:10:23,220 --> 01:10:24,304 and I kind of came up with this creep. 1347 01:10:24,512 --> 01:10:27,015 Walk around like a madman 1348 01:10:27,224 --> 01:10:28,433 and finding posture, finding stance. 1349 01:10:28,642 --> 01:10:30,769 Finding his voice is very important, 1350 01:10:30,977 --> 01:10:32,020 because when you find the voice 1351 01:10:32,229 --> 01:10:35,148 you find the breath within the voice. 1352 01:10:35,357 --> 01:10:37,234 It's like, man, the Joker, though. 1353 01:10:37,442 --> 01:10:40,153 Jack Nicholson did the Joker, man. 1354 01:10:40,362 --> 01:10:44,282 I said, "How do you tackle that, like, 1355 01:10:44,491 --> 01:10:47,827 without just doing a version of Jack? 1356 01:10:48,036 --> 01:10:51,831 I mean, how do you even talk or laugh or..." 1357 01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:53,583 I was sitting there, walking, just thinking, 1358 01:10:53,792 --> 01:10:54,876 and I suddenly hear, 1359 01:10:55,085 --> 01:10:56,211 "Do you want to know 1360 01:10:56,419 --> 01:10:58,088 how I got these scars?" 1361 01:10:58,296 --> 01:10:59,589 I'm like... I look at him, 1362 01:10:59,798 --> 01:11:01,007 and he's kind of walking, holding his shirt, 1363 01:11:01,216 --> 01:11:04,427 and he's like, "My daddy was a drinker and a fiend," 1364 01:11:04,636 --> 01:11:06,346 and he gives me this look, and... 1365 01:11:06,554 --> 01:11:08,431 man, goosebumps, chills run down me, 1366 01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:10,600 and he does that little monologue for me. 1367 01:11:10,809 --> 01:11:13,687 "Why so serious?" he finishes. 1368 01:11:13,895 --> 01:11:15,313 I was just, "Holy..." 1369 01:11:15,522 --> 01:11:16,147 and I jump into the street. 1370 01:11:16,356 --> 01:11:18,066 Whoo! Yelled it out. 1371 01:11:18,275 --> 01:11:19,150 I'm punching him in the chest, 1372 01:11:19,359 --> 01:11:20,360 and he's like, "Don't tell anyone." 1373 01:11:22,487 --> 01:11:24,906 He turns to me, 1374 01:11:25,115 --> 01:11:30,161 and he says, why so serious? 1375 01:11:30,370 --> 01:11:31,705 He comes at me with the knife. 1376 01:11:31,913 --> 01:11:34,207 "Why so serious?" 1377 01:11:37,002 --> 01:11:39,754 He sticks the blade in my mouth. 1378 01:11:39,963 --> 01:11:44,676 "Let's put a smile on that face," 1379 01:11:44,884 --> 01:11:46,136 and... 1380 01:11:49,472 --> 01:11:50,932 Why so serious? 1381 01:11:51,141 --> 01:11:55,312 When we were shooting the scene 1382 01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:57,105 where he comes into the party, 1383 01:11:57,314 --> 01:11:59,441 there was a crowd that side of the camera 1384 01:11:59,649 --> 01:12:00,859 and this side of the camera. 1385 01:12:01,067 --> 01:12:03,486 It was a very large crowd, so... 1386 01:12:03,695 --> 01:12:05,739 he didn't expect it to be so big. 1387 01:12:05,947 --> 01:12:09,200 He said, "This feels like walking onto a stage. 1388 01:12:09,409 --> 01:12:11,036 I wasn't prepared for so many people. 1389 01:12:11,244 --> 01:12:12,620 How do I play this?" 1390 01:12:12,829 --> 01:12:13,830 And I said, "Well... 1391 01:12:14,039 --> 01:12:16,291 well, you're a psychopath, 1392 01:12:16,499 --> 01:12:19,085 so they're your toys. 1393 01:12:19,294 --> 01:12:21,212 You play with your toys." 1394 01:12:23,423 --> 01:12:26,509 Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. 1395 01:12:29,471 --> 01:12:32,557 We are tonight's entertainment. 1396 01:12:34,559 --> 01:12:36,936 I only have one question. 1397 01:12:37,145 --> 01:12:39,939 Where is Harvey Dent? 1398 01:12:50,408 --> 01:12:51,826 You know where Harvey is? Do you know who he is? 1399 01:12:52,035 --> 01:12:53,036 That's another trademark 1400 01:12:53,244 --> 01:12:54,704 of the actor that Heath had become. 1401 01:12:54,913 --> 01:12:57,082 He was able to chuck his vanity, 1402 01:12:57,290 --> 01:12:59,501 and I think his conception of the Joker 1403 01:12:59,709 --> 01:13:02,420 did show him kind of warts and all, 1404 01:13:02,629 --> 01:13:05,006 and he did it on his own in the makeup trailer, 1405 01:13:05,215 --> 01:13:06,508 and it was very simple. 1406 01:13:06,716 --> 01:13:09,094 All it was, was just, like, a wash of white pancake makeup 1407 01:13:09,302 --> 01:13:11,805 and some smear of red lips. 1408 01:13:12,013 --> 01:13:13,223 The prosthetics came up onto the lip 1409 01:13:13,431 --> 01:13:14,474 and feathered onto the lip, 1410 01:13:14,682 --> 01:13:17,185 so it was almost halfway into the mouth, 1411 01:13:17,394 --> 01:13:18,561 and, of course, when you speak, 1412 01:13:18,770 --> 01:13:20,271 the feathering of the prosthetics 1413 01:13:20,480 --> 01:13:21,689 became loosened, 1414 01:13:21,898 --> 01:13:23,817 and the last thing Heath wanted to do was to go back 1415 01:13:24,025 --> 01:13:26,361 and spend another 20 minutes or half an hour 1416 01:13:26,569 --> 01:13:30,281 trying to get the lips glued back again, 1417 01:13:30,490 --> 01:13:32,659 so he licked... he licked his lips... 1418 01:13:34,369 --> 01:13:35,870 a lot... 1419 01:13:36,079 --> 01:13:38,540 and then, slowly, that became a part of the character. 1420 01:13:43,378 --> 01:13:45,713 He knew that he had something that was amazing. 1421 01:13:45,922 --> 01:13:47,090 He had put all this work into it, 1422 01:13:47,298 --> 01:13:48,383 and he was actually enjoying the work. 1423 01:13:48,591 --> 01:13:49,551 Everyone, 1424 01:13:49,759 --> 01:13:51,428 every sound technician, every producer, 1425 01:13:51,636 --> 01:13:53,346 was floored by what he was doing in The Dark Knight. 1426 01:13:53,555 --> 01:13:56,641 People would be scurrying up to screens, 1427 01:13:56,850 --> 01:13:58,059 trying to get glimpses on-set, 1428 01:13:58,268 --> 01:14:00,437 just because they knew when he was on, 1429 01:14:00,645 --> 01:14:01,813 it was on. 1430 01:14:02,021 --> 01:14:05,692 He felt for the first time, as an actor, 1431 01:14:05,900 --> 01:14:09,070 that he was like, "I'm untouchable. 1432 01:14:09,279 --> 01:14:10,947 Every scene I do with any other actor, 1433 01:14:11,156 --> 01:14:13,575 it doesn't matter how amazing they are. 1434 01:14:13,783 --> 01:14:17,036 I'm controlling and leading these scenes." 1435 01:14:17,245 --> 01:14:18,788 He was so confident, 1436 01:14:18,997 --> 01:14:20,206 and he was so proud of that role. 1437 01:14:20,415 --> 01:14:22,625 He was really excited for that film to come out. 1438 01:14:22,834 --> 01:14:26,963 He was... it was the first time I'd heard him in a long time 1439 01:14:27,172 --> 01:14:31,468 being excited about, like, "this role I've nailed." 1440 01:14:31,676 --> 01:14:34,053 You've changed things... forever. 1441 01:14:34,262 --> 01:14:35,722 Then why do you want to kill me? 1442 01:14:38,516 --> 01:14:40,143 I don't want to kill you! 1443 01:14:40,351 --> 01:14:42,270 What would I do without you? 1444 01:14:42,479 --> 01:14:43,354 Go back to ripping off mob dealers? 1445 01:14:43,563 --> 01:14:45,440 No, no. 1446 01:14:45,648 --> 01:14:46,524 No. 1447 01:14:46,733 --> 01:14:50,278 No, you... you complete me. 1448 01:14:50,487 --> 01:14:52,614 You're garbage who kills for money. 1449 01:14:52,822 --> 01:14:53,448 Don't talk like one of them. 1450 01:14:53,656 --> 01:14:55,158 You're not... 1451 01:14:55,366 --> 01:14:57,452 even if you'd like to be. 1452 01:14:59,037 --> 01:15:00,497 To them, you're just a freak... 1453 01:15:00,705 --> 01:15:02,540 like me. 1454 01:15:02,749 --> 01:15:03,875 When he wasn't working, 1455 01:15:04,083 --> 01:15:06,878 he would come to set and observe and watch Chris 1456 01:15:07,086 --> 01:15:08,505 'cause he was so enamored 1457 01:15:08,713 --> 01:15:10,089 with, you know, Chris as a director 1458 01:15:10,298 --> 01:15:12,133 and wanted to learn as much as he could 1459 01:15:12,342 --> 01:15:13,968 about what he was building and what he was doing. 1460 01:15:15,261 --> 01:15:16,930 A lot of people like to think 1461 01:15:17,138 --> 01:15:20,266 that it was a strenuous process for him, 1462 01:15:20,475 --> 01:15:21,893 but he would come off the set, 1463 01:15:22,101 --> 01:15:25,396 and we'd chat, and we'd have a laugh and joke, 1464 01:15:25,605 --> 01:15:29,901 and we had more fun than was, um... 1465 01:15:30,109 --> 01:15:32,612 than was respectable 1466 01:15:32,820 --> 01:15:34,322 for hardworking artists. 1467 01:15:36,157 --> 01:15:39,577 It was the most fun I've had with a character, 1468 01:15:39,786 --> 01:15:40,578 hands down. 1469 01:15:40,787 --> 01:15:42,872 Creatively, it was just... 1470 01:15:43,081 --> 01:15:44,666 it was too good to be true. 1471 01:15:52,423 --> 01:15:54,467 It was Christmas, and my whole family, 1472 01:15:54,676 --> 01:15:55,969 we were having this wonderful great big dinner. 1473 01:15:56,177 --> 01:15:59,639 He came and surprised us, as he loved to do. 1474 01:16:01,599 --> 01:16:05,687 He'd shown me some snippets of him as the Joker, 1475 01:16:05,895 --> 01:16:08,147 and, I mean, I was blown away. 1476 01:16:08,356 --> 01:16:09,607 I couldn't believe it, 1477 01:16:09,816 --> 01:16:11,818 and I just said to him, you know, 1478 01:16:12,026 --> 01:16:13,444 "This is amazing. 1479 01:16:13,653 --> 01:16:15,613 This is, like, taking it to the next level. 1480 01:16:15,822 --> 01:16:16,990 Like, you're going to be nominated for this, 1481 01:16:17,198 --> 01:16:18,533 I'm telling you right now," 1482 01:16:18,741 --> 01:16:19,909 and he just smiled. 1483 01:16:21,995 --> 01:16:23,162 Heath was over the moon 1484 01:16:23,371 --> 01:16:25,540 about the role of the Joker in The Dark Knight. 1485 01:16:25,748 --> 01:16:28,084 He was very pleased with the way it was going 1486 01:16:28,293 --> 01:16:31,421 and the input that he had into that character. 1487 01:16:35,174 --> 01:16:36,259 It was after the dinner, 1488 01:16:36,467 --> 01:16:38,845 and he kind of, like, leaned over at one point 1489 01:16:39,053 --> 01:16:41,014 and said, "Oh, by the way, 1490 01:16:41,222 --> 01:16:42,974 I'm taking you back to London with me," 1491 01:16:43,182 --> 01:16:45,268 and I was like, "What?" and my mom was like, "What?" 1492 01:16:46,894 --> 01:16:49,689 "Oh, no, here we go again." 1493 01:16:49,897 --> 01:16:52,525 It was his time to take his little sister, 1494 01:16:52,734 --> 01:16:55,486 introduce her to the entertainment world. 1495 01:16:57,280 --> 01:16:59,532 Heath was in the best place of his life. 1496 01:16:59,741 --> 01:17:02,702 He had a kid who he loved and adored. 1497 01:17:02,910 --> 01:17:05,496 He was making the films he wanted to make. 1498 01:17:05,705 --> 01:17:08,583 He had big plans for his future. 1499 01:17:11,753 --> 01:17:12,879 In three weeks' time, 1500 01:17:13,087 --> 01:17:14,547 I start filming with Terry Gilliam, 1501 01:17:14,756 --> 01:17:15,757 and I'd really do any... 1502 01:17:15,965 --> 01:17:18,593 I'd cut carrots and serve the catering 1503 01:17:18,801 --> 01:17:21,346 on a Gilliam film. 1504 01:17:21,554 --> 01:17:24,349 I really, really love the guy, and so... 1505 01:17:24,557 --> 01:17:27,101 yeah, I'm doing The Imaginarium of Dr. Parnassus, 1506 01:17:27,310 --> 01:17:29,646 and then I'll drop to the ground, dead, 1507 01:17:29,854 --> 01:17:30,980 for a year, 1508 01:17:31,189 --> 01:17:32,649 and hibernate. 1509 01:17:32,857 --> 01:17:34,692 The Imaginarium of Dr. Parnassus... 1510 01:17:34,901 --> 01:17:37,445 I was able to work with him for two weeks on, 1511 01:17:37,654 --> 01:17:40,490 in freezing cold London, in all the night shoots, 1512 01:17:40,698 --> 01:17:41,783 in all of its glory. 1513 01:17:41,991 --> 01:17:44,869 We were on Blackfriars Bridge... 1514 01:17:45,078 --> 01:17:46,913 bitterly cold. 1515 01:17:47,121 --> 01:17:49,999 He spent most of the night hanging off the bridge, 1516 01:17:50,208 --> 01:17:51,334 having rain poured on him... 1517 01:17:52,835 --> 01:17:54,837 so he was very wet. 1518 01:17:55,046 --> 01:17:56,422 I'm not sure that helped him. 1519 01:17:58,716 --> 01:18:01,511 A lot of the crew were fighting colds and whatnot, 1520 01:18:01,719 --> 01:18:04,597 but I do just remember Gerry saying 1521 01:18:04,806 --> 01:18:06,349 he had the strength of a horse, 1522 01:18:06,557 --> 01:18:08,893 I think is what he said. 1523 01:18:11,604 --> 01:18:12,855 His body was tired, I know. 1524 01:18:13,064 --> 01:18:14,148 He was tired. 1525 01:18:14,357 --> 01:18:17,151 He developed a bad flu, and that exhausted him. 1526 01:18:21,489 --> 01:18:23,991 We were staying in the same apartment. 1527 01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:26,828 I would wake, I'd hear him wandering around, 1528 01:18:27,036 --> 01:18:28,871 and sometimes he'd come into my room, 1529 01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:31,833 and we had the conversation 1530 01:18:32,041 --> 01:18:35,169 that the sleeping medication wasn't really helping him sleep. 1531 01:18:40,007 --> 01:18:41,134 At times, he would say, 1532 01:18:41,342 --> 01:18:43,970 "I'm just having a hard time kind of, you know, 1533 01:18:44,178 --> 01:18:45,555 laying it down at the end of the day 1534 01:18:45,763 --> 01:18:47,432 and not thinking about stuff." 1535 01:18:49,016 --> 01:18:50,143 I knew the pressures that were in his life. 1536 01:18:50,351 --> 01:18:52,311 I knew he was sick. 1537 01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:54,188 I knew he had pneumonia. 1538 01:18:54,397 --> 01:18:57,191 I knew he had these long flights from London to New York. 1539 01:18:57,400 --> 01:18:59,610 We were about to wrap up in London. 1540 01:18:59,819 --> 01:19:05,199 He had sent myself and his assistant, Nathan, ahead 1541 01:19:05,408 --> 01:19:06,492 to prep the apartment 1542 01:19:06,701 --> 01:19:09,495 for when we were going to all be there, and... 1543 01:19:22,258 --> 01:19:24,677 I hadn't talked to him all morning, 1544 01:19:24,886 --> 01:19:26,137 and it was pretty rare, 1545 01:19:26,345 --> 01:19:28,014 and I was getting concerned. 1546 01:19:28,222 --> 01:19:31,100 I kept texting, saying, "Hey, what's up? 1547 01:19:31,309 --> 01:19:32,351 Where are you? What's going on?" 1548 01:19:35,146 --> 01:19:37,607 And, honestly, he would've texted back or called me back 1549 01:19:37,815 --> 01:19:40,193 in almost any situation... 1550 01:19:40,401 --> 01:19:43,529 any situation, except if he was... 1551 01:19:43,738 --> 01:19:45,156 you know... 1552 01:19:45,364 --> 01:19:47,867 ♪ Someday my pain ♪ 1553 01:19:48,075 --> 01:19:51,329 And I put my BlackBerry down on the desk, 1554 01:19:51,537 --> 01:19:53,331 and, um... 1555 01:19:53,539 --> 01:19:55,082 I kind of just stared at it... 1556 01:19:58,628 --> 01:19:59,462 ♪ Harness your blame ♪ 1557 01:19:59,670 --> 01:20:01,339 And then the phone rang, 1558 01:20:01,547 --> 01:20:05,760 and it was his publicist, Mara Buxbaum, 1559 01:20:05,968 --> 01:20:08,304 and, um, and she was crying. 1560 01:20:11,682 --> 01:20:13,226 And I called his dad, 1561 01:20:13,434 --> 01:20:14,519 and his dad's phone was off, 1562 01:20:14,727 --> 01:20:15,728 and I called his mum, 1563 01:20:15,937 --> 01:20:18,105 and she was trying to find out information, 1564 01:20:18,314 --> 01:20:20,608 so I called one of our friends in New York 1565 01:20:20,817 --> 01:20:22,860 to see if she could go to his house, 1566 01:20:23,069 --> 01:20:24,487 and she was like, "Trev, I'm here, 1567 01:20:24,695 --> 01:20:26,197 and I can't get in," 1568 01:20:26,405 --> 01:20:29,742 and that's when reality kicked in. 1569 01:20:29,951 --> 01:20:31,619 ♪ Send it farther on ♪ 1570 01:20:31,828 --> 01:20:32,620 More texts from different people 1571 01:20:32,829 --> 01:20:34,080 start rolling in. 1572 01:20:34,288 --> 01:20:37,250 I'm like, "No, no, no, no, someone's messing with me," 1573 01:20:37,458 --> 01:20:39,752 and I actually called the phone, and it rung out. 1574 01:20:39,961 --> 01:20:42,421 I wanted to say, "Please call me back. 1575 01:20:42,630 --> 01:20:44,674 Please call me back," you know, 1576 01:20:44,882 --> 01:20:46,008 but I just froze and hung up. 1577 01:20:48,511 --> 01:20:50,930 I got a call from a friend, 1578 01:20:51,138 --> 01:20:57,395 and right away, I knew something awful had happened. 1579 01:20:59,522 --> 01:21:02,984 I did call his phone a few times. 1580 01:21:07,655 --> 01:21:10,700 The world did find out before we did. 1581 01:21:10,908 --> 01:21:12,702 It will haunt me for the rest of my life. 1582 01:21:12,910 --> 01:21:13,911 I guess we're no different 1583 01:21:14,120 --> 01:21:16,455 from anyone else that loses a child 1584 01:21:16,664 --> 01:21:18,499 or loses somebody suddenly... 1585 01:21:18,708 --> 01:21:19,667 the only difference being 1586 01:21:19,876 --> 01:21:21,878 is that we had to live our feelings out 1587 01:21:22,086 --> 01:21:22,962 in the public eye. 1588 01:21:25,214 --> 01:21:26,090 It was our boy, 1589 01:21:26,299 --> 01:21:29,468 and it was the world's moment, 1590 01:21:29,677 --> 01:21:31,596 and our private moment, 1591 01:21:31,804 --> 01:21:34,223 but it was something that we had to share, 1592 01:21:34,432 --> 01:21:37,268 and sharing that... across the world 1593 01:21:37,476 --> 01:21:38,394 was so hard, you know? 1594 01:21:40,813 --> 01:21:44,775 That was a very sad day. It was. 1595 01:21:44,984 --> 01:21:47,361 ♪ What might have been lost ♪ 1596 01:21:47,570 --> 01:21:49,697 I just got up and went home. 1597 01:21:51,407 --> 01:21:52,241 I just hid. 1598 01:21:52,450 --> 01:21:55,202 ♪ What might have been lost ♪ 1599 01:21:57,121 --> 01:22:01,500 ♪ What might have been lost ♪ 1600 01:22:01,709 --> 01:22:04,712 I was shooting a music video on a day that he died. 1601 01:22:07,173 --> 01:22:11,093 I was in Eau Claire, Wisconsin, with Justin, who is Bon Iver. 1602 01:22:11,302 --> 01:22:14,847 I saw that I had, like, 35 messages on my phone. 1603 01:22:15,056 --> 01:22:17,183 ♪ Don't bother me What might have been ♪ 1604 01:22:17,391 --> 01:22:19,852 I just heard what sounded like crying... 1605 01:22:21,938 --> 01:22:22,897 and Matt told me 1606 01:22:23,105 --> 01:22:24,982 that his friend Heath had passed away, 1607 01:22:25,191 --> 01:22:27,944 and I just held him for the longest time, 1608 01:22:28,152 --> 01:22:29,362 and I just told him, "Whatever you need to do, man, 1609 01:22:29,570 --> 01:22:31,739 we're here for you." 1610 01:22:31,948 --> 01:22:33,282 This person that I just met 1611 01:22:33,491 --> 01:22:36,243 just had lost somebody so important to them. 1612 01:22:36,452 --> 01:22:39,580 It was no longer about making a Bon Iver music video anymore. 1613 01:22:39,789 --> 01:22:44,794 This was now our chance to be there with Matt 1614 01:22:45,002 --> 01:22:47,171 as he grieved. 1615 01:22:47,380 --> 01:22:48,047 ♪ What might have been lost ♪ 1616 01:22:48,255 --> 01:22:52,134 It was a three-day...wake. 1617 01:22:52,343 --> 01:22:54,303 ♪ Don't bother me ♪ 1618 01:22:54,512 --> 01:22:56,180 I was deeply sad, 1619 01:22:56,389 --> 01:22:57,890 but Heath didn't want me to be sad. 1620 01:22:58,099 --> 01:23:01,602 He wanted to see me smile all the time, 1621 01:23:01,811 --> 01:23:07,566 and he couldn't have possibly given me more in my life, 1622 01:23:07,775 --> 01:23:09,902 and I'm very lucky. 1623 01:23:40,433 --> 01:23:41,142 Out of these three days 1624 01:23:41,350 --> 01:23:42,560 that I spent with Matt, 1625 01:23:42,768 --> 01:23:45,938 I got the next five years of my life. 1626 01:23:46,147 --> 01:23:47,982 I started writing all these words down, 1627 01:23:48,190 --> 01:23:49,233 some of these visions 1628 01:23:49,442 --> 01:23:51,152 that Matt would kind of tell me 1629 01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:53,821 about Heath growing up in Australia, 1630 01:23:54,030 --> 01:23:56,824 and the words ended up being the first song there, 1631 01:23:57,033 --> 01:23:57,783 and I called it "Perth." 1632 01:24:07,001 --> 01:24:08,377 It's still hard when people talk about it, 1633 01:24:08,586 --> 01:24:11,172 and people have preconceived ideas about how... 1634 01:24:11,380 --> 01:24:12,965 surrounding that period of time. 1635 01:24:13,174 --> 01:24:14,050 It's, you know... 1636 01:24:14,258 --> 01:24:16,719 but that's what people do, you know? 1637 01:24:16,927 --> 01:24:19,138 They come up with their version of it 1638 01:24:19,346 --> 01:24:22,475 that makes it convenient and tidy 1639 01:24:22,683 --> 01:24:26,312 and, you know, and also tells a good story. 1640 01:24:26,520 --> 01:24:30,399 The truth is, he was super happy 1641 01:24:30,608 --> 01:24:33,194 and was loving life, 1642 01:24:33,402 --> 01:24:36,822 and he struggled with some demons, 1643 01:24:37,031 --> 01:24:41,202 but he wasn't wanting to go anywhere but forward. 1644 01:24:43,746 --> 01:24:46,832 His heart was just incredibly beautiful. 1645 01:24:47,041 --> 01:24:51,337 Fearless in how he loved and how he opened his heart. 1646 01:24:51,545 --> 01:24:53,047 He was seeing the world 1647 01:24:53,255 --> 01:24:55,883 in a way that the rest of us didn't, 1648 01:24:56,092 --> 01:24:58,511 and in a way that the rest of us couldn't, 1649 01:24:58,719 --> 01:25:02,556 and time and convention meant absolutely nothing to him. 1650 01:25:04,225 --> 01:25:05,434 He had this light around him. 1651 01:25:05,643 --> 01:25:06,435 Wherever he went, 1652 01:25:06,644 --> 01:25:07,770 he shone light on people. 1653 01:25:07,978 --> 01:25:08,854 It made their lives better. 1654 01:25:09,063 --> 01:25:09,897 ♪ Not yet awake ♪ 1655 01:25:10,106 --> 01:25:11,023 All our lives were better 1656 01:25:11,232 --> 01:25:12,566 for him being around... 1657 01:25:12,775 --> 01:25:15,361 and we still talk about it now. 1658 01:25:16,445 --> 01:25:19,115 ♪ Still alive who you love ♪ 1659 01:25:25,079 --> 01:25:27,665 ♪ Still alive who you love ♪ 1660 01:25:32,378 --> 01:25:33,754 ♪ Still alive ♪ 1661 01:25:33,963 --> 01:25:34,880 We are lucky 1662 01:25:35,089 --> 01:25:37,550 that he completed so much in his life 1663 01:25:37,758 --> 01:25:39,468 that not only he is proud of, 1664 01:25:39,677 --> 01:25:42,096 but it's left for his little girl, Matilda, 1665 01:25:42,304 --> 01:25:44,098 to see what her daddy was 1666 01:25:44,306 --> 01:25:47,268 and how creative and artistic he was. 1667 01:25:47,476 --> 01:25:49,228 There's all of this footage of him. 1668 01:25:49,436 --> 01:25:53,023 There's these films that she gets to watch 1669 01:25:53,232 --> 01:25:56,068 and be proud of who her father was. 1670 01:25:56,277 --> 01:25:58,863 I have no doubt that he could've done 1671 01:25:59,071 --> 01:26:02,992 innumerable more extraordinary performances 1672 01:26:03,200 --> 01:26:05,244 and given those gifts to the world. 1673 01:26:05,452 --> 01:26:07,454 ♪ So I'm ridding all your stories ♪ 1674 01:26:07,663 --> 01:26:10,207 In Chinese, we call it "God envy," 1675 01:26:10,416 --> 01:26:13,544 a person so talented that even God envy him. 1676 01:26:13,752 --> 01:26:15,880 ♪ You're breaking your ground ♪ 1677 01:26:16,088 --> 01:26:20,176 The trajectory he went on in such a short time 1678 01:26:20,384 --> 01:26:21,969 was extraordinary. 1679 01:28:31,223 --> 01:28:33,225 Do you look at this and think to yourself, 1680 01:28:33,434 --> 01:28:34,560 "Somebody's maybe making 1681 01:28:34,768 --> 01:28:38,689 an impressionistic film about my life someday?" 1682 01:28:38,897 --> 01:28:41,317 In not maybe this year, but in 10 years from now? 1683 01:28:41,525 --> 01:28:42,818 Um, wow, 1684 01:28:43,027 --> 01:28:45,863 I haven't given it any thought, no. 1685 01:28:46,071 --> 01:28:47,865 I haven't, and, um, 1686 01:28:48,073 --> 01:28:51,744 I think it would be a pretty boring movie. 124819

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