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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:38,176 --> 00:00:40,281 LISA WEAVER: It was a very cold day. 4 00:00:40,316 --> 00:00:42,145 There was snow on the Square, 5 00:00:42,180 --> 00:00:43,353 and the snow had been shoveled up 6 00:00:43,388 --> 00:00:45,838 and packed into these little pyramids. 7 00:00:48,945 --> 00:00:52,121 We were wandering around, just keeping an eye out. 8 00:00:52,155 --> 00:00:54,157 Myself and my cameraman, 9 00:00:54,192 --> 00:00:57,091 each with a camera, but concealed. 10 00:00:57,126 --> 00:01:00,094 And we heard from behind us 11 00:01:00,129 --> 00:01:02,269 this whooshing sound. 12 00:01:04,857 --> 00:01:06,928 I turned around and I could see some smoke 13 00:01:06,963 --> 00:01:09,241 on the horizon, just a little trail. 14 00:01:09,276 --> 00:01:10,553 I got my camera out 15 00:01:10,587 --> 00:01:13,107 and got about 20 seconds, 16 00:01:13,142 --> 00:01:15,247 25 seconds of shaky video. 17 00:01:15,282 --> 00:01:16,766 Before any of us knew it 18 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,320 somebody was on him, a military policeman, 19 00:01:19,355 --> 00:01:20,494 and he didn't resist. 20 00:01:20,528 --> 00:01:22,151 I made a run for it. 21 00:01:22,185 --> 00:01:23,290 I thought maybe I could get 22 00:01:23,324 --> 00:01:24,705 to the other side of the square and outrun, 23 00:01:24,739 --> 00:01:26,362 and, of course, I couldn't. 24 00:01:26,396 --> 00:01:29,399 But it gave me a window of opportunity 25 00:01:29,434 --> 00:01:30,780 to get a small tape 26 00:01:30,814 --> 00:01:33,093 out of my camera and into my bra. 27 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,753 They ended up taking us through the scene. 28 00:01:38,788 --> 00:01:40,962 I could clearly see three people, 29 00:01:41,722 --> 00:01:43,586 um, on fire. 30 00:01:43,620 --> 00:01:46,727 And it was absolutely the strangest thing I'd ever seen. 31 00:02:03,537 --> 00:02:05,228 MALE REPORTER: China's Communist leaders today 32 00:02:05,263 --> 00:02:06,643 escalated their campaign 33 00:02:06,678 --> 00:02:08,162 against the popular spiritual movement 34 00:02:08,197 --> 00:02:09,474 called Falun Gong. 35 00:02:09,508 --> 00:02:11,096 They vowed to crush 36 00:02:11,131 --> 00:02:12,649 what they say is a cult. 37 00:02:14,651 --> 00:02:17,792 Members of China's Falun Gong religious group 38 00:02:17,827 --> 00:02:20,001 attempted a fiery mass suicide 39 00:02:20,036 --> 00:02:21,486 last week in Beijing. 40 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,592 This whole thing was a dramatic change in tactics for the sect 41 00:02:24,627 --> 00:02:27,147 which has staged many non-violent protests. 42 00:02:39,262 --> 00:02:40,850 You know, first I was distrustful 43 00:02:40,884 --> 00:02:43,439 of the whole thing that actually happened. 44 00:02:43,473 --> 00:02:44,681 It burst out of nowhere. 45 00:02:45,924 --> 00:02:48,202 FEMALE REPORTER: Just who they were is now in dispute. 46 00:02:48,237 --> 00:02:50,066 The Chinese Government news agency 47 00:02:50,100 --> 00:02:52,965 says they were Falun Gong followers. 48 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:54,553 But spokespeople for the movement 49 00:02:54,588 --> 00:02:55,692 outside of China 50 00:02:55,727 --> 00:02:57,453 say that can't be true 51 00:02:57,487 --> 00:02:59,282 because a suicide protest 52 00:02:59,317 --> 00:03:01,526 goes against Falun Gong principles. 53 00:03:43,084 --> 00:03:44,810 MAN: I have some first-hand experience 54 00:03:44,845 --> 00:03:46,985 with protests in Tiananmen Square. 55 00:03:55,476 --> 00:03:57,306 That's me nearly 20 years ago, 56 00:03:57,340 --> 00:04:01,413 protesting the persecution of Falun Gong in China. 57 00:04:01,448 --> 00:04:04,313 FEMALE REPORTER: Jason Loftus watches more than 50 practitioners 58 00:04:04,347 --> 00:04:05,521 of Falun Gong, 59 00:04:05,555 --> 00:04:06,625 who have come to Queen's Park 60 00:04:06,660 --> 00:04:07,695 to urge the government 61 00:04:07,730 --> 00:04:09,697 to help stop China's persecution 62 00:04:09,732 --> 00:04:11,354 of the ancient spiritual practice. 63 00:04:11,389 --> 00:04:13,908 You know, the police there they treat the practitioners of Falun Gong 64 00:04:13,943 --> 00:04:14,944 very brutally. 65 00:04:14,978 --> 00:04:16,635 It's just too horrifying what's going on there. 66 00:04:16,670 --> 00:04:18,258 I mean, good people are being killed every day. 67 00:04:19,604 --> 00:04:21,606 JASON: So how does a small-town Canadian kid 68 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:22,745 get involved in a struggle 69 00:04:22,779 --> 00:04:24,298 between the Chinese Government 70 00:04:24,333 --> 00:04:25,575 and an eastern spiritual group 71 00:04:25,610 --> 00:04:27,750 that was largely unknown in the West? 72 00:04:29,510 --> 00:04:31,443 I trace it back to an RV trip 73 00:04:31,478 --> 00:04:33,203 with my family in my early teens. 74 00:04:34,135 --> 00:04:35,275 It was a long drive. 75 00:04:35,309 --> 00:04:37,173 So I brought an old paperback that I found 76 00:04:37,207 --> 00:04:40,866 that promised to cover the entire history of the world. 77 00:04:40,901 --> 00:04:43,075 The brief summary of Buddhism caught my eye. 78 00:04:44,111 --> 00:04:45,664 It said the Buddha had discovered 79 00:04:45,699 --> 00:04:47,666 an alternative path to happiness. 80 00:04:47,701 --> 00:04:50,324 Rather than satisfying every human desire 81 00:04:50,359 --> 00:04:51,705 he found you could be happy 82 00:04:51,739 --> 00:04:54,052 by removing longings and desires themselves. 83 00:04:54,708 --> 00:04:56,330 That blew my mind. 84 00:04:56,365 --> 00:04:57,642 So I read a ton of books 85 00:04:57,676 --> 00:05:00,438 while working a local gas station after school, 86 00:05:00,472 --> 00:05:03,061 from yogis, Sufis and self-help gurus, 87 00:05:03,095 --> 00:05:06,754 all in search of how to transcend human desire. 88 00:05:06,789 --> 00:05:08,722 Some of my friends couldn't relate. 89 00:05:08,756 --> 00:05:10,517 But I was on a mission. 90 00:05:10,551 --> 00:05:11,690 And then at 18, 91 00:05:11,725 --> 00:05:13,313 I came across Falun Gong. 92 00:05:13,347 --> 00:05:15,625 Also called Falun Dafa. 93 00:05:15,660 --> 00:05:17,972 It was a series of slow-moving exercises 94 00:05:18,007 --> 00:05:20,009 and a promise that I could reach fulfillment 95 00:05:20,043 --> 00:05:22,356 by measuring each of my thoughts and actions 96 00:05:22,391 --> 00:05:24,220 against three criteria: 97 00:05:24,254 --> 00:05:25,463 Is it truthful? 98 00:05:25,497 --> 00:05:27,085 Is it compassionate? 99 00:05:27,119 --> 00:05:28,362 And is it tolerant? 100 00:05:43,446 --> 00:05:45,862 When I took up Falun Gong in 1998, 101 00:05:45,897 --> 00:05:47,968 millions in China were doing the same. 102 00:05:58,565 --> 00:06:00,118 At first, the Chinese Government 103 00:06:00,152 --> 00:06:02,120 praised and endorsed the practice 104 00:06:02,154 --> 00:06:04,225 but as Falun Gong's numbers swelled 105 00:06:04,260 --> 00:06:07,539 the Communist Party's attitude toward it changed. 106 00:06:07,574 --> 00:06:10,611 So you had a situation by the late 1990's 107 00:06:10,646 --> 00:06:13,200 that Falun Gong was not only 108 00:06:13,234 --> 00:06:14,753 the second most popular 109 00:06:14,788 --> 00:06:16,514 spiritual or religious group 110 00:06:16,548 --> 00:06:18,170 after Chinese Buddhism, 111 00:06:18,205 --> 00:06:19,517 uh, but it was also, 112 00:06:19,551 --> 00:06:21,070 going by those figures, 113 00:06:21,104 --> 00:06:23,175 more popular than the Communist party. 114 00:06:25,246 --> 00:06:28,353 You actually had a large number of people within the party 115 00:06:28,388 --> 00:06:31,218 and the party apparatus who were practicing Falun Gong. 116 00:06:31,252 --> 00:06:33,013 And given the spiritual 117 00:06:33,047 --> 00:06:35,118 and ideological differences 118 00:06:35,153 --> 00:06:39,364 between Falun Gong and Marxist-atheist thought, 119 00:06:39,399 --> 00:06:41,297 a number of leaders in the Communist Party 120 00:06:41,331 --> 00:06:43,644 felt that that really posed a problem. 121 00:06:57,417 --> 00:07:00,005 JASON: I didn't know anything about Chinese politics, 122 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,457 and they were saying that Falun Gong was an evil cult. 123 00:07:03,492 --> 00:07:05,252 I questioned if there was something I'd missed 124 00:07:05,286 --> 00:07:07,357 about Falun Gong and the people involved. 125 00:07:08,738 --> 00:07:11,258 Had I unwittingly joined a cult? 126 00:07:11,292 --> 00:07:14,192 But what I saw were people who seemed to be trying to better themselves 127 00:07:14,226 --> 00:07:15,883 through meditation and spirituality. 128 00:07:19,508 --> 00:07:23,995 The Chinese Government seemed intent on wiping out Falun Gong entirely. 129 00:07:24,029 --> 00:07:25,617 Adherents were being sent en masse 130 00:07:25,652 --> 00:07:26,929 to forced labor camps 131 00:07:26,963 --> 00:07:29,518 and to what were called reeducation facilities. 132 00:07:29,552 --> 00:07:33,591 To inmates, these were known as brainwashing centers. 133 00:07:33,625 --> 00:07:35,385 The Falun Gong practitioners held there 134 00:07:35,420 --> 00:07:37,767 faced many counts of torture and abuse. 135 00:07:40,667 --> 00:07:41,875 They were pressured 136 00:07:41,909 --> 00:07:43,324 and forced to watch government propaganda 137 00:07:43,359 --> 00:07:45,775 until they agreed to recant their beliefs. 138 00:07:47,639 --> 00:07:49,365 One Chinese Government advisor 139 00:07:49,399 --> 00:07:52,023 explained the strategy toThe Washington Post. 140 00:07:52,057 --> 00:07:54,335 "Pure violence doesn't work," he said, 141 00:07:54,370 --> 00:07:57,580 "The brainwashing was needed, but wasn't enough, either. 142 00:07:57,615 --> 00:07:59,030 He said, "None of it would be working 143 00:07:59,064 --> 00:08:01,377 "if the propaganda hadn't started to change the way 144 00:08:01,411 --> 00:08:02,896 "the general public thinks." 145 00:08:05,277 --> 00:08:07,072 I wanted to help clear the air 146 00:08:07,107 --> 00:08:08,902 and provide a voice to those who were suffering. 147 00:08:08,936 --> 00:08:12,906 So I spoke up, meeting with media and government where I lived. 148 00:08:15,736 --> 00:08:17,911 Then the self-immolation happened. 149 00:08:17,945 --> 00:08:19,326 It was horrific. 150 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:22,363 Innocent lives lost, others destroyed. 151 00:08:23,537 --> 00:08:24,952 I couldn't explain it. 152 00:08:24,987 --> 00:08:28,128 It was alien to everything I knew about Falun Gong. 153 00:08:39,588 --> 00:08:41,210 Time passed, 154 00:08:41,244 --> 00:08:43,557 and the event faded from the public consciousness in the West. 155 00:08:43,592 --> 00:08:45,904 And I was fine with that. 156 00:08:45,939 --> 00:08:47,941 I was tired of worrying whether people might think 157 00:08:47,975 --> 00:08:49,667 I was going to set myself on fire 158 00:08:49,701 --> 00:08:52,497 just because I did Falun Gong. 159 00:08:52,532 --> 00:08:55,120 But then I met a man whose story would lead me to face 160 00:08:55,155 --> 00:08:57,260 the self-immolation event again. 161 00:09:35,091 --> 00:09:36,610 JASON: Chen Ruichang worked high up 162 00:09:36,645 --> 00:09:39,855 in one of China's largest state television networks. 163 00:09:39,889 --> 00:09:41,339 He was responsible for research 164 00:09:41,373 --> 00:09:44,273 into making government propaganda more persuasive. 165 00:09:44,307 --> 00:09:47,897 And Chen took up Falun Gong like I did in 1998 166 00:09:47,932 --> 00:09:49,968 amidst its boom and popularity 167 00:09:50,003 --> 00:09:52,143 and favorable coverage in China. 168 00:09:52,177 --> 00:09:53,800 But when the persecution began, 169 00:09:53,834 --> 00:09:57,493 and the state media that employed Chen turned on Falun Gong, 170 00:09:57,527 --> 00:09:58,977 pressure mounted. 171 00:10:20,033 --> 00:10:21,206 JASON: Days before 172 00:10:21,241 --> 00:10:23,139 the self-immolation would take place 173 00:10:23,174 --> 00:10:25,107 Chen was arrested at his workplace 174 00:10:25,141 --> 00:10:27,592 and taken to a special reeducation facility 175 00:10:27,627 --> 00:10:31,044 specifically for staff of the state media and government. 176 00:10:32,252 --> 00:10:34,495 There he describes a prolonged campaign 177 00:10:34,530 --> 00:10:36,601 to force him to abandon Falun Gong 178 00:10:36,636 --> 00:10:39,121 and to have him accept the Chinese state's narrative 179 00:10:39,155 --> 00:10:41,123 on the self-immolation. 180 00:13:20,247 --> 00:13:21,490 JASON: Chen made me see 181 00:13:21,524 --> 00:13:23,733 that for practitioners of Falun Gong in China, 182 00:13:23,768 --> 00:13:27,358 the self-immolation never really passed into the rearview mirror. 183 00:13:27,392 --> 00:13:30,499 It wasn't a scar so much as an open wound 184 00:13:30,533 --> 00:13:33,226 and they were dealing with the consequences of it every day. 185 00:13:33,260 --> 00:13:34,468 SARAH: Even today, 186 00:13:34,503 --> 00:13:36,056 the self-immolation incident 187 00:13:36,091 --> 00:13:39,128 shapes the way many Chinese people think about Falun Gong. 188 00:13:39,163 --> 00:13:40,958 You had wall-to-wall coverage 189 00:13:40,992 --> 00:13:43,961 of very graphic, emotional footage. 190 00:13:53,729 --> 00:13:54,661 JASON: The self-immolation 191 00:13:54,695 --> 00:13:56,628 became part of the school curriculum 192 00:13:56,663 --> 00:13:58,976 And then, in so-called anti-cult rallies 193 00:13:59,010 --> 00:14:00,563 organized by the government, 194 00:14:00,598 --> 00:14:03,843 it became evidence, that Falun Gong was the enemy next door 195 00:14:03,877 --> 00:14:05,258 that needed to be wiped out. 196 00:14:16,441 --> 00:14:17,960 JASON: I felt compelled to revisit 197 00:14:17,995 --> 00:14:19,513 the self-immolation, 198 00:14:19,548 --> 00:14:21,722 and to investigate Chen's claim that it had been staged. 199 00:14:28,937 --> 00:14:30,697 According to Chinese state media, 200 00:14:30,731 --> 00:14:32,906 on January 23, 2001, 201 00:14:32,941 --> 00:14:35,840 seven people attempted to set themselves on fire 202 00:14:35,875 --> 00:14:37,324 in Beijing's Tiananmen Square. 203 00:14:37,359 --> 00:14:39,154 to reach an afterlife paradise. 204 00:14:40,569 --> 00:14:42,605 JASON: It was said that each planned 205 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:44,193 to conceal two bottles of gasoline 206 00:14:44,228 --> 00:14:45,436 beneath their clothes 207 00:14:45,470 --> 00:14:47,472 and use razor blades to cut holes 208 00:14:47,507 --> 00:14:49,164 allowing the fuel to soak in, 209 00:14:49,198 --> 00:14:50,924 before setting themselves alight. 210 00:14:53,962 --> 00:14:56,171 JASON: They had agreed to take action together 211 00:14:56,205 --> 00:14:57,448 at 2:30 p.m., 212 00:14:57,482 --> 00:14:59,450 and were equipped with watches. 213 00:14:59,484 --> 00:15:02,902 However, that's not how things played out. 214 00:15:02,936 --> 00:15:04,489 This woman tells state TV 215 00:15:04,524 --> 00:15:06,422 she drank 20 ounces of gasoline 216 00:15:06,457 --> 00:15:08,977 and poured the remainder on her clothes. 217 00:15:09,011 --> 00:15:10,599 This cop says he saw the woman 218 00:15:10,633 --> 00:15:12,187 drinking from a Sprite bottle 219 00:15:12,221 --> 00:15:14,189 and that set him into action. 220 00:15:14,223 --> 00:15:16,122 Shortly after, police on the Square 221 00:15:16,156 --> 00:15:18,296 said they saw a man on fire. 222 00:15:18,331 --> 00:15:20,126 White smoke is shown emanating 223 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:21,851 from behind a security vehicle. 224 00:15:23,992 --> 00:15:25,786 After the smoke had cleared, 225 00:15:25,821 --> 00:15:28,444 someone filmed the seated man shouting a slogan. 226 00:15:30,446 --> 00:15:31,758 Then, security camera footage 227 00:15:31,792 --> 00:15:33,967 shown in the state media broadcast 228 00:15:34,002 --> 00:15:36,073 shows four figures on fire. 229 00:15:36,107 --> 00:15:37,626 They are identified in the program 230 00:15:37,660 --> 00:15:40,456 as two sets of mothers and daughters. 231 00:15:41,699 --> 00:15:44,322 Nineteen minutes after the agreed 2:30 time, 232 00:15:44,357 --> 00:15:46,669 this man, the seventh participant, 233 00:15:46,704 --> 00:15:48,395 has not acted. 234 00:15:48,430 --> 00:15:50,018 Police say they spot him 235 00:15:50,052 --> 00:15:51,329 pouring gasoline on his clothes, 236 00:15:51,364 --> 00:15:52,572 and stop him 237 00:15:52,606 --> 00:15:54,608 before he can set himself alight. 238 00:15:56,783 --> 00:15:58,474 One woman, Liu Chunling 239 00:15:58,509 --> 00:16:00,304 reportedly dies on-site. 240 00:16:00,338 --> 00:16:02,513 The other six survive 241 00:16:02,547 --> 00:16:04,722 and give interviews with state-run media, 242 00:16:04,756 --> 00:16:07,000 some from their hospital beds. 243 00:16:09,865 --> 00:16:12,661 If the event was not as the Chinese Government had claimed, 244 00:16:12,695 --> 00:16:14,352 I figured a good place to start 245 00:16:14,387 --> 00:16:16,837 would be speaking with those who were closest. 246 00:16:16,872 --> 00:16:18,598 My team and I reached out to journalists 247 00:16:18,632 --> 00:16:20,289 who were stationed in Beijing 248 00:16:20,324 --> 00:16:21,946 at the time of the self-immolation. 249 00:16:21,981 --> 00:16:24,984 But we had trouble finding people willing to speak with us. 250 00:16:41,207 --> 00:16:42,794 Some spoke on background 251 00:16:42,829 --> 00:16:44,037 and some declined, 252 00:16:44,072 --> 00:16:46,729 citing ongoing work in China. 253 00:17:00,226 --> 00:17:02,021 But looking through the initial coverage 254 00:17:02,055 --> 00:17:03,298 on the self-immolation 255 00:17:03,332 --> 00:17:05,852 I see several reports quoting a CNN journalist 256 00:17:05,886 --> 00:17:07,233 named Lisa Weaver 257 00:17:07,267 --> 00:17:09,925 and she appears to have witnessed the burning directly. 258 00:17:13,515 --> 00:17:18,416 We really went to see just to check it out, um, 259 00:17:18,451 --> 00:17:21,764 and we were simply in the right time at the right place, 260 00:17:21,799 --> 00:17:23,939 stayed a little longer got a little colder. 261 00:17:27,218 --> 00:17:30,463 They ended up taking us through the scene 262 00:17:30,497 --> 00:17:32,879 in order to get to the bus. 263 00:17:32,913 --> 00:17:35,778 So we crossed the center of the Square... 264 00:17:37,194 --> 00:17:39,610 Once we were put on the bus, 265 00:17:39,644 --> 00:17:42,889 no one was preventing us watching this, 266 00:17:42,923 --> 00:17:44,442 which really surprised me. 267 00:17:44,477 --> 00:17:46,237 We were questioned on the bus 268 00:17:46,272 --> 00:17:48,446 by a couple of different policemen. 269 00:17:48,481 --> 00:17:50,724 They were just very interested 270 00:17:50,759 --> 00:17:53,658 in what I'd seen, when I'd seen it. 271 00:17:53,693 --> 00:17:55,695 "Do you have a tape? Are you hiding a tape?" 272 00:17:55,729 --> 00:17:57,559 And I said, "No, I'm not hiding a tape." 273 00:17:58,353 --> 00:17:59,561 At one point, 274 00:17:59,595 --> 00:18:03,012 the person who was talking to me, uh, left, 275 00:18:03,047 --> 00:18:06,326 and came back with a very brief, written account 276 00:18:06,361 --> 00:18:08,190 that looked to me to be like 277 00:18:08,225 --> 00:18:09,916 a Xinhua News Agency copy. 278 00:18:11,504 --> 00:18:13,368 Four people immolated themselves 279 00:18:13,402 --> 00:18:15,439 earlier this afternoon on Tiananmen Square 280 00:18:15,473 --> 00:18:17,544 and, you know, just the facts. 281 00:18:17,579 --> 00:18:20,133 JASON: Xinhua was quoted widely in the reports. 282 00:18:20,168 --> 00:18:21,376 Apparently the news release 283 00:18:21,410 --> 00:18:23,757 that Lisa had initially reviewed and confirmed. 284 00:18:24,931 --> 00:18:27,865 And I see other details attributed to Lisa, herself. 285 00:18:29,142 --> 00:18:30,385 She's said to have witnessed 286 00:18:30,419 --> 00:18:31,593 the seated man on fire 287 00:18:31,627 --> 00:18:33,698 as police put his flames out. 288 00:18:33,733 --> 00:18:36,805 She's also said to have seen the four women ablaze, 289 00:18:36,839 --> 00:18:39,704 to have witnessed them douse themselves in gasoline. 290 00:18:39,739 --> 00:18:42,293 And then, after setting themselves alight, 291 00:18:42,328 --> 00:18:44,916 hold their arms up in a Falun Gong pose. 292 00:18:46,470 --> 00:18:47,747 But when we spoke with her, 293 00:18:47,781 --> 00:18:50,508 Lisa didn't claim to have seen these details. 294 00:18:50,543 --> 00:18:52,786 JASON: You said that you saw three people, 295 00:18:52,821 --> 00:18:55,203 three people self-immolating in total? 296 00:18:55,237 --> 00:18:56,307 Is that right, or... 297 00:18:56,342 --> 00:18:59,276 I saw three people in total, 298 00:18:59,310 --> 00:19:01,899 not really at the same time. 299 00:19:01,933 --> 00:19:04,522 I... The first one I saw 300 00:19:04,557 --> 00:19:07,698 was one. I got some footage of that. 301 00:19:07,732 --> 00:19:11,978 Then tried to run away... Run away with the tape, 302 00:19:12,012 --> 00:19:14,532 was caught, apprehended, brought back. 303 00:19:14,567 --> 00:19:17,259 It wasn't until I was a lot... Brought closer 304 00:19:17,294 --> 00:19:20,193 to the center of the square and the bus 305 00:19:20,228 --> 00:19:22,264 that they put us on 306 00:19:22,299 --> 00:19:24,715 that I saw, um, 307 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:26,544 three people, 308 00:19:26,579 --> 00:19:28,650 two of whom were in flames, 309 00:19:28,684 --> 00:19:30,203 and one of whom wasn't. 310 00:19:30,238 --> 00:19:32,688 He was already... Already seated. 311 00:19:33,379 --> 00:19:34,759 JASON: Did you know... 312 00:19:34,794 --> 00:19:37,314 Would you be able to say if they were men, women, children? 313 00:19:37,348 --> 00:19:38,522 No. 314 00:19:38,556 --> 00:19:42,111 The only person who I could identify as a man 315 00:19:42,146 --> 00:19:43,906 was Wang Jindong, 316 00:19:43,941 --> 00:19:46,668 as he was sitting there, the flames out, 317 00:19:46,702 --> 00:19:48,394 you know, his clothes were smoking. 318 00:19:48,428 --> 00:19:50,603 The other two were just too far away. 319 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,676 My recollection as to whether these people 320 00:19:54,710 --> 00:19:56,850 were Falun Gong practitioners, 321 00:19:56,885 --> 00:19:59,646 I would say, at first glance, 322 00:19:59,681 --> 00:20:03,616 yes, because they were yelling the slogans, 323 00:20:03,650 --> 00:20:07,551 and, uh, you know, doing those gestures 324 00:20:07,585 --> 00:20:10,312 that Falun Gong members do. 325 00:20:10,347 --> 00:20:12,728 It was clear to me, personally, 326 00:20:12,763 --> 00:20:15,214 that they couldn't have been very representative. 327 00:20:21,668 --> 00:20:24,015 JASON: After our interviews with Chen and Lisa, 328 00:20:24,050 --> 00:20:26,984 my wife heard from her family members in China. 329 00:20:27,018 --> 00:20:29,469 The Public Security Bureau had contacted them 330 00:20:29,504 --> 00:20:32,127 saying they knew what we were up to overseas. 331 00:20:32,161 --> 00:20:35,958 No details on what we'd done wrong, no explicit threat. 332 00:20:35,993 --> 00:20:38,789 Perhaps a warning or hint to make us worry 333 00:20:38,823 --> 00:20:40,998 what they might know and what they might do. 334 00:20:45,658 --> 00:20:48,108 So my wife deleted her Chinese social media accounts 335 00:20:48,143 --> 00:20:49,386 used to contact family, 336 00:20:49,420 --> 00:20:51,802 in an effort to shield them from any further pressure. 337 00:22:36,665 --> 00:22:37,839 JASON: I see this claim 338 00:22:37,873 --> 00:22:39,530 that CNN was behind the footage 339 00:22:39,565 --> 00:22:41,083 repeated in the Chinese press. 340 00:22:44,121 --> 00:22:46,744 And I look at the man Chen says came to meet with him, 341 00:22:46,779 --> 00:22:48,194 Li Dongsheng. 342 00:22:51,128 --> 00:22:52,371 As Chen described, 343 00:22:52,405 --> 00:22:54,890 Li was the vice president at China Central Television. 344 00:22:54,925 --> 00:22:57,997 But there's more about him that catches my eye. 345 00:22:58,031 --> 00:23:00,102 According to articles in the state run press, 346 00:23:00,137 --> 00:23:02,553 Li oversaw China Central Television's 347 00:23:02,588 --> 00:23:05,349 flagship news magazine programFocus Report... 348 00:23:07,213 --> 00:23:08,835 JASON: ...the program that produced 349 00:23:08,870 --> 00:23:10,423 the expose on self-immolation, 350 00:23:10,458 --> 00:23:13,012 and many of the follow-ups. 351 00:23:13,046 --> 00:23:16,360 But Li wasn't only a propaganda and censorship official. 352 00:23:16,395 --> 00:23:21,054 He had another role central to the party's campaign against Falun Gong. 353 00:23:21,089 --> 00:23:23,229 When the Communist Party launched its crackdown 354 00:23:23,263 --> 00:23:24,989 on Falun Gong in 1999, 355 00:23:25,024 --> 00:23:27,198 Li had been named the first deputy director 356 00:23:27,233 --> 00:23:30,063 of something called the 610 Office. 357 00:23:30,098 --> 00:23:33,377 When the decision was made to persecute Falun Gong 358 00:23:33,412 --> 00:23:35,206 the 610 Office was created. 359 00:23:35,241 --> 00:23:38,658 A special, extra-legal party mechanism 360 00:23:38,693 --> 00:23:40,936 and essentially a secret police force. 361 00:23:43,732 --> 00:23:46,804 It really pulls the strings behind the scenes. 362 00:23:46,839 --> 00:23:50,877 Judges, legal apparatus, prisons to labor camps, 363 00:23:50,912 --> 00:23:52,223 to elements of the media 364 00:23:52,258 --> 00:23:54,087 and guiding the propaganda campaign 365 00:23:54,122 --> 00:23:56,469 with regards to Falun Gong. 366 00:24:25,360 --> 00:24:27,811 JASON: Chinese media had claimed the closeup footage 367 00:24:27,845 --> 00:24:30,330 was shot by CNN journalists. 368 00:24:30,365 --> 00:24:32,091 But we obtained a copy of the footage 369 00:24:32,125 --> 00:24:34,887 Lisa smuggled out of the Square in her clothing 370 00:24:34,921 --> 00:24:36,682 and it seems she and her cameraman 371 00:24:36,716 --> 00:24:38,684 were filming far from the action. 372 00:24:38,718 --> 00:24:41,065 The assertion that we had 373 00:24:41,100 --> 00:24:43,861 any footage other than the smoke on the horizon 374 00:24:43,896 --> 00:24:45,380 from my camera 375 00:24:45,414 --> 00:24:48,107 was just really ridiculous. 376 00:24:48,141 --> 00:24:51,490 They had plenty of people taking video. 377 00:24:56,736 --> 00:24:58,393 JASON: In the footage shown in state media 378 00:24:58,427 --> 00:25:01,948 we can see what looked like security personnel holding cameras. 379 00:25:03,225 --> 00:25:04,848 In the top left of the screen, 380 00:25:04,882 --> 00:25:06,539 a figure appears to be filming. 381 00:25:07,264 --> 00:25:08,403 He enters running 382 00:25:08,437 --> 00:25:10,025 then slows to a walk. 383 00:25:10,060 --> 00:25:11,855 He seems to be steadying his shot 384 00:25:11,889 --> 00:25:13,857 just as an experienced videographer might. 385 00:25:14,858 --> 00:25:16,963 I can see what looks like a camera bag 386 00:25:16,998 --> 00:25:18,206 slung over his left shoulder. 387 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,553 But the security personnel rushed past him 388 00:25:20,588 --> 00:25:22,451 without seizing his equipment. 389 00:25:28,734 --> 00:25:29,907 LISA: It was a very fluid, 390 00:25:29,942 --> 00:25:31,702 fast-moving situation. 391 00:25:31,737 --> 00:25:33,566 A pro would probably be shooting 392 00:25:33,601 --> 00:25:34,912 the way that they were shooting. 393 00:25:34,947 --> 00:25:37,708 Some of those really closeup shots 394 00:25:37,743 --> 00:25:40,159 of the people burning themselves, 395 00:25:40,193 --> 00:25:42,610 in particular, the fellow who was sitting 396 00:25:42,644 --> 00:25:44,543 cross-legged on the ground. 397 00:25:44,577 --> 00:25:46,130 Those tight shots 398 00:25:46,165 --> 00:25:48,788 definitely came from security personnel, 399 00:25:48,823 --> 00:25:50,928 because I saw them take those images 400 00:25:50,963 --> 00:25:52,758 and there's no way it could've been us 401 00:25:52,792 --> 00:25:55,795 as the state media later asserted 402 00:25:55,830 --> 00:25:58,591 because we were being escorted to the bus. 403 00:26:02,422 --> 00:26:04,770 JASON: This individual is facing the seated man 404 00:26:04,804 --> 00:26:07,393 who was said to have set himself on fire, 405 00:26:07,427 --> 00:26:10,914 and he appears to be holding a camera. 406 00:26:10,948 --> 00:26:13,779 Was this the man who Lisa described? 407 00:26:13,813 --> 00:26:15,366 Did he wait for the smoke to clear 408 00:26:15,401 --> 00:26:17,576 and then shoot the footage of the seated man? 409 00:26:21,752 --> 00:26:25,169 JASON: While examining this scene, we notice something else. 410 00:26:26,792 --> 00:26:30,727 An officer places a blanket over the seated man's mouth. 411 00:26:30,761 --> 00:26:33,039 But we can hear his voice very clearly. 412 00:26:37,043 --> 00:26:41,358 And the recording is free of environmental sounds like wind and ambulance sirens. 413 00:26:41,392 --> 00:26:43,602 Unlike in this interview with a police officer 414 00:26:43,636 --> 00:26:46,156 describing the event into a nearby microphone. 415 00:26:51,333 --> 00:26:53,197 It seems the audio could have been recorded separately 416 00:26:53,232 --> 00:26:54,613 and dubbed to the footage. 417 00:26:54,647 --> 00:26:57,029 Then presented as evidence that the immolation 418 00:26:57,063 --> 00:26:59,031 was inspired by a belief in Falun Gong. 419 00:27:30,165 --> 00:27:31,477 JASON: In a follow-up 420 00:27:31,511 --> 00:27:32,823 CCTV'sFocus Report 421 00:27:32,858 --> 00:27:34,929 then visits the home of Liu Baorong, 422 00:27:34,963 --> 00:27:37,552 the woman who claimed to drink gasoline. 423 00:27:49,253 --> 00:27:52,360 It just doesn't match up with a Falun Gong practitioner, 424 00:27:52,394 --> 00:27:54,914 let alone a dedicated Falun Gong practitioner, 425 00:27:54,949 --> 00:27:58,504 which is what the Chinese Government was trying to paint her as. 426 00:27:58,538 --> 00:28:01,231 JASON: Levi Browde volunteers for the Falun Info Centre 427 00:28:01,265 --> 00:28:02,991 which tracks the Human Rights situation 428 00:28:03,026 --> 00:28:05,338 of Falun Gong in China. 429 00:28:05,373 --> 00:28:07,168 He was at the other end of the banner I held 430 00:28:07,202 --> 00:28:09,480 in Tiananmen Square in 2002. 431 00:28:11,724 --> 00:28:13,277 You're talking about individuals 432 00:28:13,312 --> 00:28:16,039 who, apparently, were so fanatic, 433 00:28:16,073 --> 00:28:17,316 but they are suddenly 434 00:28:17,350 --> 00:28:19,490 saying exactly what the Chinese Government 435 00:28:19,525 --> 00:28:21,009 would want them to say. 436 00:28:21,044 --> 00:28:23,702 "I did this crazy thing because of Falun Gong, 437 00:28:23,736 --> 00:28:26,463 "and now the government is going to save me. 438 00:28:26,497 --> 00:28:28,189 "And I'm so glad they're here to save me." 439 00:28:37,923 --> 00:28:40,166 LEVI: And there was no sense of protest. 440 00:28:40,201 --> 00:28:41,720 There was no statement from them 441 00:28:41,754 --> 00:28:44,308 of the grievances they have for the Chinese Government 442 00:28:44,343 --> 00:28:46,932 for torturing them, putting them in prison. 443 00:28:48,692 --> 00:28:51,315 JASON: As someone who had protested for Falun Gong 444 00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:52,731 in Tiananmen Square myself, 445 00:28:52,765 --> 00:28:55,009 this is one of the first things that struck me. 446 00:28:55,043 --> 00:28:56,424 The lack of any complaint 447 00:28:56,458 --> 00:28:59,392 about the Chinese regime's ongoing persecution. 448 00:28:59,427 --> 00:29:02,464 It was the reason behind every other Falun Gong protest 449 00:29:02,499 --> 00:29:04,639 but here it was missing completely. 450 00:29:28,732 --> 00:29:30,907 JASON: The footage seems to show the seated man 451 00:29:30,941 --> 00:29:32,667 failing to perform the hand gesture 452 00:29:32,701 --> 00:29:36,291 that begins every Falun Gong exercise called Jieyin. 453 00:29:36,326 --> 00:29:39,467 In Jieyin, the thumb tips are touched lightly together. 454 00:29:39,501 --> 00:29:42,435 But the man appears to be overlapping his thumbs. 455 00:29:42,470 --> 00:29:45,473 He also didn't correctly cross his legs. 456 00:29:45,507 --> 00:29:47,440 In Falun Gong seated meditation, 457 00:29:47,475 --> 00:29:49,477 the two legs are folded on top of each other 458 00:29:49,511 --> 00:29:51,479 in what's called the lotus position. 459 00:29:52,411 --> 00:29:54,033 Beginners can fold one leg up 460 00:29:54,068 --> 00:29:55,897 in what's called half-lotus. 461 00:29:55,932 --> 00:29:58,451 But this man folds nether leg up. 462 00:29:58,486 --> 00:30:01,523 It's like someone claiming to have dedicated their life to yoga 463 00:30:01,558 --> 00:30:05,251 but being unfamiliar with a basic position like downward dog. 464 00:30:06,356 --> 00:30:08,703 He was sitting in a manner 465 00:30:08,737 --> 00:30:11,326 that is not how Falun Gong sit in meditation, 466 00:30:11,361 --> 00:30:13,708 was saying things that no Falun Gong would say. 467 00:30:16,987 --> 00:30:20,301 LEVI: And there's a policeman standing next to him... 468 00:30:22,165 --> 00:30:23,718 holding a fire blanket, 469 00:30:23,752 --> 00:30:26,100 doing nothing, just holding it there 470 00:30:26,134 --> 00:30:28,861 until this man says something. 471 00:30:28,896 --> 00:30:33,452 And then the policeman puts the blanket on to this man. 472 00:30:33,486 --> 00:30:36,489 JASON: On the surface, we see a man said to have been on fire 473 00:30:36,524 --> 00:30:38,871 now shouting a slogan, and an officer 474 00:30:38,906 --> 00:30:41,184 covering him with a fire blanket. 475 00:30:41,218 --> 00:30:43,669 But the rescue effort appears to be on hold. 476 00:30:43,703 --> 00:30:45,982 The officer's not in a rush to cover the man, 477 00:30:46,016 --> 00:30:47,776 or hurry him into an ambulance. 478 00:30:47,811 --> 00:30:49,882 And he appears to be facing the direction of the camera 479 00:30:49,917 --> 00:30:51,435 that is shooting the scene 480 00:30:51,470 --> 00:30:54,438 rather than the man who was supposedly on fire. 481 00:30:54,473 --> 00:30:56,578 Is he waiting for a cue? 482 00:30:56,613 --> 00:30:58,960 It's a stark contrast to the police response 483 00:30:58,995 --> 00:31:02,377 to every other Falun Gong protest I'd seen on Tiananmen Square, 484 00:31:02,412 --> 00:31:04,034 where we see officers rushing 485 00:31:04,069 --> 00:31:05,794 to prevent the participants' messages 486 00:31:05,829 --> 00:31:07,486 from being heard or seen. 487 00:31:12,111 --> 00:31:14,562 As to, you know, sort of the deeper question 488 00:31:14,596 --> 00:31:19,429 of whether or not these were Falun Gong members... 489 00:31:19,463 --> 00:31:22,018 We didn't have time for that, at the time. 490 00:31:22,052 --> 00:31:25,159 Also, by this stage, uh, 491 00:31:25,193 --> 00:31:28,748 CNN was an accomplice to murder, 492 00:31:28,783 --> 00:31:31,027 according to the Chinese Communist Party. 493 00:31:31,061 --> 00:31:35,238 Because the state-run media test-floated that headline 494 00:31:35,272 --> 00:31:36,756 in a Hong Kong newspaper 495 00:31:36,791 --> 00:31:39,587 as it happens, during a big conference 496 00:31:39,621 --> 00:31:43,246 with a lot of CNN head honchos in Hong Kong. 497 00:31:46,801 --> 00:31:50,460 JASON: I see no evidence that Lisa was involved in the immolations. 498 00:31:50,494 --> 00:31:52,945 This accusation floated in Chinese press 499 00:31:52,980 --> 00:31:55,879 seems instead like it could be a scare tactic, 500 00:31:55,914 --> 00:31:57,260 an attempt to deter Lisa 501 00:31:57,294 --> 00:32:00,401 and CNN from pursuing the story. 502 00:32:00,435 --> 00:32:05,578 CNN was taking that allegation very seriously. 503 00:32:05,613 --> 00:32:07,649 Not that they believed it but, you know, 504 00:32:07,684 --> 00:32:10,169 they were taking the reality seriously 505 00:32:10,204 --> 00:32:12,758 that maybe the bureau would be closed down, 506 00:32:12,792 --> 00:32:15,416 maybe we'd all be kicked out of China 507 00:32:15,450 --> 00:32:17,142 and CNN would have no presence. 508 00:32:17,176 --> 00:32:23,182 CNN had told us to not even talk to the other reporters. 509 00:32:23,217 --> 00:32:25,391 I mean, I had my friends and my colleagues 510 00:32:25,426 --> 00:32:27,980 who worked at other news organizations calling. 511 00:32:28,015 --> 00:32:30,051 But we were really under orders 512 00:32:30,086 --> 00:32:32,640 to be very quiet about the whole thing. 513 00:32:32,674 --> 00:32:35,470 It's unlikely that their true identities 514 00:32:35,505 --> 00:32:38,577 will ever be independently confirmed. 515 00:32:40,648 --> 00:32:42,201 DAVID SATTER: Foreign correspondents 516 00:32:42,236 --> 00:32:44,997 work for news organizations 517 00:32:45,032 --> 00:32:48,000 that have a very different agenda 518 00:32:48,035 --> 00:32:50,244 than the one that is required, 519 00:32:50,278 --> 00:32:54,455 if you are to carry out a major investigation. 520 00:32:54,489 --> 00:32:56,043 JASON: Writing for The Financial Times, 521 00:32:56,077 --> 00:32:59,287 David Satter's efforts to investigate a government conspiracy 522 00:32:59,322 --> 00:33:03,015 led him to become the first American journalist expelled from Russia 523 00:33:03,050 --> 00:33:04,292 since the Cold War. 524 00:33:05,293 --> 00:33:08,503 News organizations usually are seeking 525 00:33:08,538 --> 00:33:11,161 to have a stream of coverage from a country 526 00:33:11,196 --> 00:33:12,542 over a period of time 527 00:33:12,576 --> 00:33:16,028 and across a wide variety of subjects. 528 00:33:16,063 --> 00:33:19,859 There's a big investment in terms of bureau equipment, 529 00:33:19,894 --> 00:33:21,792 staff, resources, 530 00:33:21,827 --> 00:33:23,691 all of which can be put in jeopardy 531 00:33:23,725 --> 00:33:27,591 by pursuing a story which seems implausible 532 00:33:27,626 --> 00:33:30,974 and which is fiercely resisted by the authorities. 533 00:33:35,668 --> 00:33:37,049 JASON: But one foreign correspondent 534 00:33:37,084 --> 00:33:39,914 continued to pursue the self-immolation story. 535 00:33:39,948 --> 00:33:43,745 In an article entitled Human Fire Ignites Chinese Mystery, 536 00:33:43,780 --> 00:33:45,920 Washington Post journalist Philip Pan 537 00:33:45,954 --> 00:33:48,267 reported unusual findings from the hometown 538 00:33:48,302 --> 00:33:51,581 of the alleged immolators, Kaifeng city. 539 00:33:51,615 --> 00:33:53,755 Pan visits the home of Miss Liu Chunling, 540 00:33:53,790 --> 00:33:55,412 the woman who died on the square 541 00:33:55,447 --> 00:33:57,518 and the mother of the 12-year-old girl. 542 00:33:57,552 --> 00:33:59,589 But a man at the door sends him away 543 00:33:59,623 --> 00:34:02,937 and directs him to the government for any questions. 544 00:34:04,145 --> 00:34:06,596 Miss Lui's neighbors say they were not just surprised 545 00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:08,184 by what she was said to have done 546 00:34:08,218 --> 00:34:09,702 they were caught off-guard 547 00:34:09,737 --> 00:34:12,809 by the claim that she had taken up Falun Gong at all. 548 00:34:12,843 --> 00:34:15,053 None had ever seen her practice. 549 00:34:16,502 --> 00:34:18,297 "I'm not saying I don't believe the government, 550 00:34:18,332 --> 00:34:19,988 "but I'm not saying I believe it, either," 551 00:34:20,023 --> 00:34:22,336 said one local woman who was interviewed. 552 00:34:22,370 --> 00:34:24,027 "The government controls the news. 553 00:34:24,062 --> 00:34:25,684 "We all know that now." 554 00:34:31,379 --> 00:34:32,760 WOMAN: I'm really sorry about that, 555 00:34:32,794 --> 00:34:35,625 but this is something that I have to tell you, 556 00:34:35,659 --> 00:34:38,386 and I have to like do it. 557 00:34:38,421 --> 00:34:40,250 JASON: "To do" what? 558 00:34:40,285 --> 00:34:42,494 WOMAN: To terminate the contract. 559 00:34:42,528 --> 00:34:44,772 JASON: My company makes video games. 560 00:34:44,806 --> 00:34:47,533 And our latest title was being published by Tencent, 561 00:34:47,568 --> 00:34:50,743 one of China's largest media companies. 562 00:34:50,778 --> 00:34:52,676 The release of the game was taking place 563 00:34:52,711 --> 00:34:54,747 just in the midst of my work on this film. 564 00:34:54,782 --> 00:34:57,578 WOMAN: They just say we have to terminate 565 00:34:57,612 --> 00:34:59,752 any business relationship with Lofty Sky. 566 00:34:59,787 --> 00:35:01,547 So this is not about the game, 567 00:35:01,582 --> 00:35:03,101 it's about the company. 568 00:35:03,135 --> 00:35:08,140 You mean like the censorship office that reviewed the game? 569 00:35:08,175 --> 00:35:09,452 There's someone in the government 570 00:35:09,486 --> 00:35:10,970 who told you to cancel a contract? 571 00:35:11,005 --> 00:35:13,766 JASON: Our game was pulled from storefronts in China. 572 00:35:13,801 --> 00:35:15,906 And a Chinese mobile deal was killed as well. 573 00:35:15,941 --> 00:35:19,979 WOMAN: I really want you to find out what happened in your company. 574 00:35:20,014 --> 00:35:22,430 Maybe there are staff in the company, 575 00:35:22,465 --> 00:35:27,539 or, I don't know, maybe your business partners that is not working 576 00:35:27,573 --> 00:35:30,162 in the direction aligned with the government direction. 577 00:35:30,197 --> 00:35:32,578 I don't know. I can't really tell anything. 578 00:35:38,205 --> 00:35:40,690 JASON: Considering the participants I've examined so far 579 00:35:40,724 --> 00:35:42,485 I start to form a theory... 580 00:35:42,519 --> 00:35:45,108 One man who doesn't seem to know Falun Gong. 581 00:35:45,143 --> 00:35:48,422 A woman whose neighbors suggest never practiced. 582 00:35:48,456 --> 00:35:50,631 And another woman who was never on fire 583 00:35:50,665 --> 00:35:52,736 but co-operatively relays her plans to the government 584 00:35:52,771 --> 00:35:54,531 and praises the authorities. 585 00:35:55,567 --> 00:35:57,741 It all seems to point to one thing... 586 00:35:57,776 --> 00:36:00,675 That they were actors and it was all a stunt. 587 00:36:11,617 --> 00:36:14,102 The important part is insulating the body 588 00:36:14,137 --> 00:36:15,414 from the heat of the fire. 589 00:36:15,449 --> 00:36:18,486 So we use these high-tech fabrics as undergarments 590 00:36:18,521 --> 00:36:20,143 and different layers, like base layers, 591 00:36:20,178 --> 00:36:22,352 kinda like when you're climbing a mountain in winter 592 00:36:22,387 --> 00:36:25,217 you use different layers to keep yourself from getting cold. 593 00:36:25,252 --> 00:36:26,908 I'm using different layers in a different way 594 00:36:26,943 --> 00:36:28,669 to keep myself from getting too warm. 595 00:36:29,808 --> 00:36:31,810 JASON: Tom Comet is known as Danger Boy, 596 00:36:31,844 --> 00:36:35,054 and he's been setting himself on fire in stunts for years. 597 00:36:36,746 --> 00:36:38,817 Tom finds it plausible that the seated man 598 00:36:38,851 --> 00:36:40,819 may have been layered up for a fire stunt. 599 00:36:40,853 --> 00:36:42,269 TOM: One of the things you see in this 600 00:36:42,303 --> 00:36:43,718 is what this guy is wearing. 601 00:36:43,753 --> 00:36:47,343 It's sort of natural fibers, bigger, cloaky-type garments. 602 00:36:47,377 --> 00:36:48,516 JASON: But he can't say the same 603 00:36:48,551 --> 00:36:50,380 about the women shown on fire 604 00:36:50,415 --> 00:36:52,900 or the little girl shown in close ups. 605 00:36:52,934 --> 00:36:54,350 TOM: That was a very legitimate 606 00:36:54,384 --> 00:36:56,179 third-degree, deep-tissue burn. 607 00:36:56,214 --> 00:37:00,252 Like, I know, that skin is the outer layers of skin 608 00:37:00,287 --> 00:37:02,289 and they will literally peel off. 609 00:37:02,323 --> 00:37:08,709 Like you can just peel those off like layers of, you know, whatever. 610 00:37:08,743 --> 00:37:11,367 This is all looking fairly legitimately like a burn. 611 00:37:11,401 --> 00:37:13,265 That person is in a terrible state. 612 00:37:16,199 --> 00:37:17,959 Oof! 613 00:37:17,994 --> 00:37:19,720 Oh! 614 00:37:21,204 --> 00:37:22,619 JASON: Tom finds the footage 615 00:37:22,654 --> 00:37:24,794 of the mother and daughter on the square in the aftermath, 616 00:37:24,828 --> 00:37:28,107 and of the four burning figures very convincing. 617 00:37:28,142 --> 00:37:31,214 He's right that the flames engulfing the figures are enormous 618 00:37:31,249 --> 00:37:35,045 and the human cost of that would seem to be real, not an act. 619 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:54,037 JASON: It's remarkable to me 620 00:40:54,072 --> 00:40:56,315 that Chen wouldn't bend in the face of all this, 621 00:40:56,350 --> 00:40:59,318 with all this pressure, the threats and brainwashing. 622 00:40:59,353 --> 00:41:00,837 How wasn't Chen swayed 623 00:41:00,872 --> 00:41:03,806 that he wouldn't go along with what the party wanted him to say, 624 00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,463 at least on the surface? 625 00:41:33,214 --> 00:41:37,495 RICHARD CHEN: What information we can get is from Minghui net. 626 00:41:40,256 --> 00:41:43,017 And then, we always try to see, uh... 627 00:41:43,052 --> 00:41:46,055 I don't want to see my brother's name in there be killed. 628 00:41:46,089 --> 00:41:49,334 I don't want to see my brother's name is missing. 629 00:41:49,368 --> 00:41:51,370 But... one day... 630 00:41:51,405 --> 00:41:52,855 we see it. 631 00:41:52,889 --> 00:41:54,512 He's missing. 632 00:41:58,619 --> 00:42:02,278 When he's being transferred from the brainwash class 633 00:42:02,312 --> 00:42:04,660 to an actual labor camp, 634 00:42:04,694 --> 00:42:08,456 um, it's a big worry about his safety. 635 00:42:08,491 --> 00:42:10,320 We know how bad it is. 636 00:42:10,355 --> 00:42:12,875 Like, people being tortured to death. 637 00:42:14,117 --> 00:42:17,189 You cannot even like imagine what they're gonna do. 638 00:42:18,674 --> 00:42:20,952 We do whatever we could, 639 00:42:20,986 --> 00:42:23,368 talk to the government officials 640 00:42:23,402 --> 00:42:26,751 and telling the media that we believe 641 00:42:26,785 --> 00:42:30,340 to expose this is the only way to keep him safe. 642 00:42:45,114 --> 00:42:47,081 At the time this incident occurred 643 00:42:47,116 --> 00:42:50,706 there were probably 50,000 practitioners of Falun Gong 644 00:42:50,740 --> 00:42:51,983 in Chinese jails 645 00:42:52,017 --> 00:42:54,641 or propaganda camps, so to speak. 646 00:42:54,675 --> 00:42:56,228 And the issue had been raised 647 00:42:56,263 --> 00:42:58,403 by non-governmental organizations 648 00:42:58,437 --> 00:43:02,856 and some governments at the United Nations Human Rights forums. 649 00:43:04,478 --> 00:43:06,238 China really needed 650 00:43:06,273 --> 00:43:09,517 to have the international community 651 00:43:09,552 --> 00:43:11,658 against Falun Gong. 652 00:43:13,970 --> 00:43:15,282 JASON: The timing of the self-immolation 653 00:43:15,316 --> 00:43:18,078 was very fortuitous for the Communist Party. 654 00:43:18,112 --> 00:43:19,355 And it's not just that Beijing 655 00:43:19,389 --> 00:43:21,495 had been attempting to root out Falun Gong. 656 00:43:21,529 --> 00:43:23,980 The foreign media's attention to the on-going crackdown 657 00:43:24,015 --> 00:43:25,361 was standing in the way 658 00:43:25,395 --> 00:43:28,744 of the Chinese regime's immediate political goals. 659 00:43:28,778 --> 00:43:31,367 A year before the self-immolations, 660 00:43:31,401 --> 00:43:34,853 uh, the Falun Gong, they gathered on Tiananmen Square, 661 00:43:34,888 --> 00:43:36,924 New Year's Eve for the Chinese. 662 00:43:36,959 --> 00:43:39,651 And they threw pamphlets into the air 663 00:43:39,686 --> 00:43:42,447 and shouted, "Falun Gong is great!" 664 00:43:42,481 --> 00:43:43,897 And had some banners. 665 00:43:45,381 --> 00:43:47,176 JASON: Chinese New Year's Eve in Tiananmen Square 666 00:43:47,210 --> 00:43:49,937 had been the site of a peaceful Falun Gong protest. 667 00:43:49,972 --> 00:43:52,319 It was harshly repressed by Beijing 668 00:43:52,353 --> 00:43:54,839 and captured by the western press. 669 00:43:54,873 --> 00:43:58,636 We were able to film it from inside the car. 670 00:43:58,670 --> 00:44:01,086 The police were on to us, 671 00:44:01,121 --> 00:44:03,537 and what ensued was a high-speed chase. 672 00:44:05,366 --> 00:44:07,714 We had the cops behind. I floored it. 673 00:44:09,163 --> 00:44:12,442 So, we got this footage. We got it on the air. 674 00:44:12,477 --> 00:44:14,721 FEMALE REPORTER: U.S. officials say one of the key items 675 00:44:14,755 --> 00:44:16,239 on President Clinton's agenda 676 00:44:16,274 --> 00:44:18,828 when he meets with Chinese President Jiang Zemin 677 00:44:18,863 --> 00:44:20,002 later this week 678 00:44:20,036 --> 00:44:22,107 will be China's deteriorating record 679 00:44:22,142 --> 00:44:24,178 of religious tolerance. 680 00:44:24,213 --> 00:44:28,424 At that time China was trying to emerge onto the world stage. 681 00:44:28,458 --> 00:44:30,633 When you have pictures on a daily basis 682 00:44:30,668 --> 00:44:33,567 of ordinary citizens being beaten up on Tiananmen Square, 683 00:44:33,601 --> 00:44:36,328 that really undermines the Chinese Government's efforts 684 00:44:36,363 --> 00:44:38,917 to display itself as a modern government, 685 00:44:38,952 --> 00:44:41,333 as a rising, peaceful power, 686 00:44:41,368 --> 00:44:44,198 and as one that is worthy of getting access 687 00:44:44,233 --> 00:44:46,684 to international institutions or awards 688 00:44:46,718 --> 00:44:48,237 like the Beijing Olympics. 689 00:44:49,652 --> 00:44:51,378 MALE NEWS ANCHOR: Whatever happened at the labor camp, 690 00:44:51,412 --> 00:44:54,070 the timing could not have been worse for China. 691 00:44:54,105 --> 00:44:56,383 This country is obsessed with the Olympics. 692 00:44:56,417 --> 00:44:59,110 One thing that could jeopardize Beijing's bid 693 00:44:59,144 --> 00:45:01,733 is China's Human Rights record. 694 00:45:01,768 --> 00:45:04,529 JASON: Beijing had lost out to Sydney for the 2000 Olympics. 695 00:45:04,563 --> 00:45:08,188 In part, because of concerns over its Human Rights record. 696 00:45:08,775 --> 00:45:10,190 For the 2008 games, 697 00:45:10,224 --> 00:45:11,743 the ILC's evaluation committee 698 00:45:11,778 --> 00:45:14,850 was due to arrive in Beijing in February, 2001, 699 00:45:14,884 --> 00:45:19,130 less than a month after the self-immolation occurred. 700 00:45:19,164 --> 00:45:23,168 The self-immolation managed to completely flip the narrative on Falun Gong. 701 00:45:23,203 --> 00:45:25,205 Within two weeks of the incident, 702 00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:26,931 an ILC executive announced 703 00:45:26,965 --> 00:45:30,589 that Falun Gong would not stand in the way of Beijing's Olympic bid. 704 00:45:30,624 --> 00:45:33,938 They likened the group to the violent cult in Waco, Texas, 705 00:45:33,972 --> 00:45:35,249 that had not prevented the U.S. 706 00:45:35,284 --> 00:45:37,113 from hosting the Olympics in Atlanta 707 00:45:37,148 --> 00:45:39,357 and landing another in Salt Lake City. 708 00:45:40,565 --> 00:45:42,187 In July, 2001, 709 00:45:42,222 --> 00:45:45,018 Beijing was granted the 2008 Olympic Games. 710 00:45:46,985 --> 00:45:48,849 In December of that year, 711 00:45:48,884 --> 00:45:51,196 China was made a member of the WTO. 712 00:45:52,784 --> 00:45:56,063 Self-immolation had enormous political consequences, 713 00:45:56,098 --> 00:45:57,375 shifting the Falun Gong matter 714 00:45:57,409 --> 00:45:58,756 from human rights concern 715 00:45:58,790 --> 00:46:01,620 to internal political issue. 716 00:46:01,655 --> 00:46:04,175 If you look at how the campaign against Falun Gong was going, 717 00:46:04,209 --> 00:46:08,593 uh, the self-immolation was really kind of a gift to the Communist Party. 718 00:46:08,627 --> 00:46:11,734 It gave them the perfect opportunity 719 00:46:11,769 --> 00:46:14,461 to turn public opinion against Falun Gong, 720 00:46:14,495 --> 00:46:18,534 to get international media to maybe also question 721 00:46:18,568 --> 00:46:20,122 whether this group was worthy 722 00:46:20,156 --> 00:46:22,124 of the kind of reporting that it was receiving. 723 00:46:22,158 --> 00:46:25,058 The idea of this self-immolation 724 00:46:25,092 --> 00:46:28,302 was to demonstrate, you know, that Falun Gong 725 00:46:28,337 --> 00:46:29,752 was encouraging this practice, 726 00:46:29,787 --> 00:46:34,101 even if they weren't, to make it appear as if they were. 727 00:46:34,136 --> 00:46:35,516 And this is what was bought. 728 00:46:35,551 --> 00:46:37,553 I mean, we have had self-immolations 729 00:46:37,587 --> 00:46:41,660 in Vietnam, for example, before the Vietnam War got underway. 730 00:47:23,806 --> 00:47:26,395 DAVID HALBERSTAM: It hit the headlines all over the world. 731 00:47:26,429 --> 00:47:28,811 It had enormous political consequences, 732 00:47:28,846 --> 00:47:32,263 uh, outside of Vietnam and inside of Vietnam. 733 00:47:32,297 --> 00:47:33,436 ...city under attack. 734 00:47:33,471 --> 00:47:35,059 JASON: President Kennedy, at the time 735 00:47:35,093 --> 00:47:39,546 called the image, "The most impactful news photo in history". 736 00:47:39,580 --> 00:47:43,274 It caused the populous to change sympathies nearly overnight. 737 00:47:43,308 --> 00:47:45,034 And for the U.S. to cut allegiances 738 00:47:45,069 --> 00:47:46,346 with the Vietnamese president, 739 00:47:46,380 --> 00:47:48,658 who was blamed for the monk's sacrifice. 740 00:47:48,693 --> 00:47:50,798 Instead, the Americans backed a coup 741 00:47:50,833 --> 00:47:53,801 that would see the Vietnamese president ousted months later 742 00:47:53,836 --> 00:47:54,872 and executed. 743 00:47:56,356 --> 00:47:58,047 The photographer behind the photo, 744 00:47:58,082 --> 00:47:59,704 the AP's Malcolm Brown, 745 00:47:59,738 --> 00:48:04,743 said... 746 00:48:06,814 --> 00:48:09,265 The image was used as a form of propaganda 747 00:48:09,300 --> 00:48:11,923 against the U.S. and its anti-Communist allies 748 00:48:11,958 --> 00:48:13,338 in Vietnam. 749 00:48:16,686 --> 00:48:19,206 I find a reference to another self-immolation 750 00:48:19,241 --> 00:48:23,038 and this one takes place right in Beijing's Tiananmen Square, 751 00:48:23,072 --> 00:48:25,247 but it's not a real-life event. 752 00:48:25,281 --> 00:48:27,007 It comes from a work of fiction 753 00:48:27,042 --> 00:48:28,319 that was written a full decade 754 00:48:28,353 --> 00:48:30,942 before the self-immolation incident. 755 00:48:30,977 --> 00:48:33,876 Author Wang Lixiong's political novel, Yellow Peril, 756 00:48:33,911 --> 00:48:36,603 was known to the censorship authorities in China. 757 00:48:36,637 --> 00:48:40,676 They had banned his book and put Wang under house arrest. 758 00:48:40,710 --> 00:48:42,920 The novel lays out an eerie blueprint 759 00:48:42,954 --> 00:48:45,784 for how communist officials would incite chaos 760 00:48:45,819 --> 00:48:49,443 and justify the ongoing repression of a targeted group 761 00:48:49,478 --> 00:48:53,620 by staging a self-immolation in their name. 762 00:48:53,654 --> 00:48:56,519 The novel was published shortly after the dramatic demonstrations 763 00:48:56,554 --> 00:48:59,833 for democracy in 1989 in Beijing. 764 00:48:59,867 --> 00:49:01,007 And in the book, 765 00:49:01,041 --> 00:49:03,319 the party is concerned with growing public sympathy 766 00:49:03,354 --> 00:49:06,495 for the democracy activists' cause. 767 00:49:06,529 --> 00:49:09,291 In this passage, one official hatches a plan 768 00:49:09,325 --> 00:49:12,363 to turn the tide of public perception. 769 00:49:12,397 --> 00:49:14,882 "How to set the trap?" it reads... 770 00:49:20,888 --> 00:49:23,236 The book describes many automatic cameras 771 00:49:23,270 --> 00:49:25,376 being set up in Tiananmen Square. 772 00:49:25,410 --> 00:49:27,895 They were connected to a control center. 773 00:49:29,276 --> 00:49:30,795 "The Minister of Public Security 774 00:49:30,829 --> 00:49:34,178 "was awaiting the arrival of the foreign press," it said. 775 00:49:34,212 --> 00:49:38,389 The participant who would die in the plot was a young woman. 776 00:49:38,423 --> 00:49:40,218 And just as with the seated man, 777 00:49:40,253 --> 00:49:43,877 there was a clear way to identify the group to be blamed for the action. 778 00:49:43,911 --> 00:49:47,674 "The deal was that she had to yell some slogans", it said. 779 00:49:47,708 --> 00:49:50,021 And then the similarities become so striking 780 00:49:50,056 --> 00:49:52,299 that the novel can be mistaken for a telling 781 00:49:52,334 --> 00:49:53,991 of the real-life self-immolation 782 00:49:54,025 --> 00:49:56,579 ten years later in 2001. 783 00:50:03,828 --> 00:50:05,830 She was wearing several layers of clothes 784 00:50:05,864 --> 00:50:08,591 to ensure that the gasoline would be fully absorbed. 785 00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,458 A female foreign reporter arrives on the scene 786 00:50:13,493 --> 00:50:16,461 and the Minister of Public Security gives the cue. 787 00:50:17,704 --> 00:50:20,293 "The girl became a fireball," the book said. 788 00:50:25,332 --> 00:50:26,885 The woman finally falls to the ground 789 00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,233 right at the foot of the People's Heroes Monument 790 00:50:29,267 --> 00:50:31,614 in the center of Tiananmen Square. 791 00:50:31,649 --> 00:50:33,202 That's precisely where Liu Chenling 792 00:50:33,237 --> 00:50:34,479 is said to have fallen to her death 793 00:50:34,514 --> 00:50:36,999 from self-immolation in 2001. 794 00:50:39,726 --> 00:50:42,625 "Her body shrank to a sizzling charcoal", it read. 795 00:50:43,592 --> 00:50:45,076 According toYellow Peril... 796 00:50:52,497 --> 00:50:54,051 Even calling on the government... 797 00:50:57,709 --> 00:51:00,022 It reads like a screenplay. 798 00:51:00,057 --> 00:51:01,713 But a question remains... 799 00:51:01,748 --> 00:51:04,544 What would have motivated the woman to participate? 800 00:51:04,578 --> 00:51:07,098 InYellow Peril, they found a terminally-ill woman 801 00:51:07,133 --> 00:51:10,481 and offered to pay her family 3,000,000 Chinese Yuan. 802 00:51:11,792 --> 00:51:14,519 So I start looking for clues with Miss Liu Chunling, 803 00:51:14,554 --> 00:51:16,797 the woman who died in the fire. 804 00:51:16,832 --> 00:51:19,283 The Washington Post interviews with her neighbors 805 00:51:19,317 --> 00:51:21,319 describe a woman who led a troubled life 806 00:51:21,354 --> 00:51:23,735 and suffered psychological problems. 807 00:51:23,770 --> 00:51:26,635 She was abusive to both her mother and daughter. 808 00:51:27,739 --> 00:51:29,431 They say she worked in a nightclub 809 00:51:29,465 --> 00:51:32,261 and took money to keep men company. 810 00:51:32,296 --> 00:51:34,160 I keep looking for clues in Kaifeng City, 811 00:51:34,194 --> 00:51:37,784 the hometown of Miss Liu and the other immolators. 812 00:51:37,818 --> 00:51:39,924 And I find an article written within months 813 00:51:39,958 --> 00:51:42,754 of the self-immolation incident in 2001. 814 00:51:46,172 --> 00:51:47,380 The government in Kaifeng 815 00:51:47,414 --> 00:51:48,726 had been building blood banks 816 00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:50,314 and offering residents money 817 00:51:50,348 --> 00:51:51,901 in exchange for their plasma 818 00:51:51,936 --> 00:51:54,939 which officials sought to sell overseas for profit. 819 00:51:54,973 --> 00:51:56,630 But when tainted equipment is used 820 00:51:56,665 --> 00:51:58,184 and AIDS spreads widely, 821 00:51:58,218 --> 00:51:59,909 the government suppresses the news 822 00:51:59,944 --> 00:52:02,843 to the extent that the local peasants know HIV 823 00:52:02,878 --> 00:52:06,675 only as the "strange illness" or "nameless fever." 824 00:52:06,709 --> 00:52:08,677 To be clear, there's nothing specific 825 00:52:08,711 --> 00:52:10,886 to connects Miss Liu to an AIDS epidemic, 826 00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:12,681 but that's not what intrigues me. 827 00:52:12,715 --> 00:52:14,579 It's that the government in Kaifeng 828 00:52:14,614 --> 00:52:17,030 was luring residents with money and a promise, 829 00:52:17,064 --> 00:52:20,171 and then casting them aside when things went wrong. 830 00:52:20,206 --> 00:52:22,898 I go back to something I read inYellow Peril... 831 00:52:22,932 --> 00:52:24,796 In the book's self-immolation scheme, 832 00:52:24,831 --> 00:52:26,384 the Minister of Public Security 833 00:52:26,419 --> 00:52:28,248 had also made a promise to the woman 834 00:52:28,283 --> 00:52:31,320 to convince her to set herself on fire. 835 00:52:31,355 --> 00:52:33,219 He promised she'd be given anesthetics 836 00:52:33,253 --> 00:52:35,324 so she wouldn't feel pain. 837 00:52:35,359 --> 00:52:37,464 But after her frantic death, he's asked, 838 00:52:37,499 --> 00:52:39,294 "Didn't you give her the drugs?" 839 00:52:39,328 --> 00:52:42,124 "That was just to console her..." the book read... 840 00:52:48,579 --> 00:52:50,132 And it hits me. 841 00:52:50,167 --> 00:52:52,790 What if Miss Liu was promised something else? 842 00:52:52,824 --> 00:52:55,793 Perhaps something dangerous but not deadly. 843 00:52:55,827 --> 00:52:58,209 What if she didn't sign up to die? 844 00:53:03,663 --> 00:53:05,078 When we slow the footage down, 845 00:53:05,112 --> 00:53:07,218 the woman appears to have been struck. 846 00:53:11,602 --> 00:53:16,020 A bent-shaped object is seen flying into the air from where she is hit. 847 00:53:21,715 --> 00:53:23,303 As the camera pans back, 848 00:53:23,338 --> 00:53:25,029 we see a man who seems to be standing 849 00:53:25,063 --> 00:53:26,651 in the same place the woman was 850 00:53:26,686 --> 00:53:28,205 just a few seconds before. 851 00:53:29,654 --> 00:53:31,725 The hairline and collar of this figure 852 00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,556 appear to match a man seen earlier in the footage. 853 00:53:35,764 --> 00:53:37,248 As he enters the shot, 854 00:53:37,283 --> 00:53:40,251 he seems to be pointing and directing the other officers. 855 00:53:40,286 --> 00:53:41,563 Was he in command? 856 00:53:47,431 --> 00:53:48,984 Could he have struck Miss Liu? 857 00:53:53,747 --> 00:53:56,923 The important thing that people need to understand 858 00:53:56,957 --> 00:54:00,064 about authoritarian and totalitarian systems 859 00:54:00,098 --> 00:54:03,688 is that the individual human being 860 00:54:03,723 --> 00:54:06,277 in these systems has very little value. 861 00:54:06,312 --> 00:54:11,524 And they are not averse to killing people for no reason whatsoever 862 00:54:11,558 --> 00:54:13,905 except to further their political goals, 863 00:54:13,940 --> 00:54:16,114 including killing their own people. 864 00:54:32,234 --> 00:54:34,547 There's no way to confirm if Liu Chunling 865 00:54:34,581 --> 00:54:36,583 was indeed tricked into participating 866 00:54:36,618 --> 00:54:39,034 as the woman died on-site. 867 00:54:39,068 --> 00:54:42,140 But her daughter survived and was rushed to hospital. 868 00:54:42,175 --> 00:54:45,178 She is featured prominently in the reports that follow, 869 00:54:45,212 --> 00:54:47,732 but only state media was able to speak with her. 870 00:54:51,702 --> 00:54:53,704 I don't know that any foreign journalist 871 00:54:53,738 --> 00:54:56,845 could have got access 872 00:54:56,879 --> 00:54:59,399 to the victims who were in hospital. 873 00:54:59,434 --> 00:55:01,608 And I remember being surprised 874 00:55:01,643 --> 00:55:04,784 the doctors let the Chinese journalists in, 875 00:55:04,818 --> 00:55:06,786 because they have these horrible burns 876 00:55:06,820 --> 00:55:08,581 and, you know, there's risk of infection 877 00:55:08,615 --> 00:55:10,686 and, you know, to say nothing of the trauma 878 00:55:10,721 --> 00:55:12,378 and what purpose are you serving... 879 00:55:17,279 --> 00:55:19,557 JASON: The nurse interviews the little girl for the television cameras. 880 00:55:19,592 --> 00:55:24,010 Meanwhile, the doctor said she needed an immediate tracheostomy 881 00:55:24,044 --> 00:55:26,702 inserting a tube into her throat to allow breathing. 882 00:55:31,638 --> 00:55:34,365 It's unusual to see somebody speaking 883 00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:35,953 with a tracheostomy in place 884 00:55:35,987 --> 00:55:37,403 shortly after the injury. 885 00:55:37,437 --> 00:55:39,991 They would not be able to generate the force required 886 00:55:40,026 --> 00:55:42,097 through the mouth to form words. 887 00:55:42,131 --> 00:55:44,064 So, I think it is fairly unlikely 888 00:55:44,099 --> 00:55:46,273 that somebody, shortly after their injury, 889 00:55:46,308 --> 00:55:47,689 would be speaking normally 890 00:55:47,723 --> 00:55:51,071 unless the tracheostomy wasn't required in the first place. 891 00:55:52,038 --> 00:55:54,903 My name is Dr. Alan Rogers. 892 00:55:54,937 --> 00:55:56,491 I'm a plastic and reconstructive surgeon 893 00:55:56,525 --> 00:56:00,460 with an interest and fellowship training in burn surgery. 894 00:56:00,495 --> 00:56:02,255 I also manage complex wounds. 895 00:56:02,289 --> 00:56:07,329 We are very vigilant about infection, prevention, and control. 896 00:56:08,226 --> 00:56:10,021 Several questions arise in my mind 897 00:56:10,056 --> 00:56:12,610 as to, firstly, the management 898 00:56:12,645 --> 00:56:14,129 of burn injuries at the setting. 899 00:56:14,163 --> 00:56:17,995 And then, secondly,whether in fact this was staged. 900 00:56:19,341 --> 00:56:22,379 JASON: Dr. Rogers finds several things unusual here. 901 00:56:23,621 --> 00:56:25,209 All four surviving immolators 902 00:56:25,243 --> 00:56:28,074 are kept together in a single room. 903 00:56:28,108 --> 00:56:31,111 The nurse and reporter are not wearing gloves 904 00:56:31,146 --> 00:56:33,424 and next to the badly burnt little girl 905 00:56:33,459 --> 00:56:35,909 we see a fuzzy teddy bear. 906 00:56:35,944 --> 00:56:39,775 He's also suspicious of how certain wounds are dressed. 907 00:56:39,810 --> 00:56:42,468 DR. ROGERS: This image is a little bit unusual, 908 00:56:42,502 --> 00:56:45,850 given the very thick nature of the dressing at the wrist 909 00:56:45,885 --> 00:56:48,819 with no dressing on the arm or hand. 910 00:56:48,853 --> 00:56:52,236 Perhaps that bulky structure around the wrist 911 00:56:52,270 --> 00:56:54,134 is in fact concealing the patient's hand 912 00:56:54,169 --> 00:56:57,897 and that what appears to be a very deep, mummified hand 913 00:56:57,931 --> 00:57:00,451 is in fact a very effective prop 914 00:57:00,486 --> 00:57:04,317 because I cannot see the purpose of that bulky structure. 915 00:57:07,182 --> 00:57:10,427 The little girl is said to be recovering well and nearing release. 916 00:57:12,221 --> 00:57:14,465 But then she, too, suddenly dies. 917 00:57:15,742 --> 00:57:17,986 It's reported to be a heart attack. 918 00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:40,249 JASON: I can't prove Chen's claim 919 00:57:40,284 --> 00:57:42,838 that it was all designed this way for an effect. 920 00:57:42,873 --> 00:57:44,668 But its impact is undeniable. 921 00:57:44,702 --> 00:57:47,636 I felt it myself when I first heard the news 922 00:57:47,671 --> 00:57:50,674 and I still feel it today. 923 00:57:50,708 --> 00:57:53,642 Such a deeply-disturbing reversal of the mother archetype. 924 00:57:53,677 --> 00:57:57,301 The one who is supposed to nurture and love and care for 925 00:57:57,335 --> 00:58:00,097 instead leading her child to a violent death. 926 00:58:01,892 --> 00:58:03,721 And tied together with it, 927 00:58:03,756 --> 00:58:05,654 the accusation that this horror 928 00:58:05,689 --> 00:58:08,070 was somehow connected to Falun Gong. 929 00:58:08,899 --> 00:58:10,279 And that accusation itself 930 00:58:10,314 --> 00:58:12,454 was enough to frame the discourse. 931 00:58:13,938 --> 00:58:15,492 Even those who distrusted the government 932 00:58:15,526 --> 00:58:18,046 and sought to question what they were being told, 933 00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:21,567 did so from within the influence of the state narrative. 934 00:58:21,601 --> 00:58:23,327 "Could Falun Gong have done this?" 935 00:58:23,361 --> 00:58:26,123 "Why would Falun Gong lead people to burn themselves?" 936 00:58:26,951 --> 00:58:28,332 Once you ask those questions, 937 00:58:28,366 --> 00:58:30,334 you've already begun to unwittingly operate 938 00:58:30,368 --> 00:58:32,716 from within the party's narrative. 939 00:58:32,750 --> 00:58:37,168 People see things that are presented on their television screen 940 00:58:37,203 --> 00:58:41,345 and they try to parcel out 941 00:58:41,379 --> 00:58:45,107 what they can believe and they shouldn't believe. 942 00:58:45,142 --> 00:58:47,489 But this effort has the pernicious effect 943 00:58:47,524 --> 00:58:48,732 of drawing them in 944 00:58:48,766 --> 00:58:52,114 and, in fact, indoctrinates them only further. 945 00:58:53,737 --> 00:58:55,808 JASON: I see now that the self-immolation 946 00:58:55,842 --> 00:58:58,569 didn't need to be irrefutable. 947 00:58:58,604 --> 00:59:02,366 It simply needed to muddy the waters on Falun Gong. 948 00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,680 LEVI: After the self-immolation and the media blitz, 949 00:59:05,714 --> 00:59:07,405 suddenly there's a question. 950 00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,373 "Are these people the kind of people 951 00:59:09,407 --> 00:59:11,582 "that would light themselves on fire to go to heaven?" 952 00:59:11,617 --> 00:59:13,032 No matter how objective you are 953 00:59:13,066 --> 00:59:14,861 as a Human Rights worker, 954 00:59:14,896 --> 00:59:17,519 at some point it comes down to what you feel. 955 00:59:17,554 --> 00:59:20,004 There was something in the air 956 00:59:20,039 --> 00:59:22,075 anytime you met with these people 957 00:59:22,110 --> 00:59:23,663 about... 958 00:59:23,698 --> 00:59:25,803 The enthusiasm was down. 959 00:59:25,838 --> 00:59:27,978 The immolation event 960 00:59:28,012 --> 00:59:30,497 eventually changed my thoughts. 961 00:59:30,532 --> 00:59:33,431 In part, because, you know, the obvious point, 962 00:59:33,466 --> 00:59:36,573 if these were Falun Gong practitioners, 963 00:59:36,607 --> 00:59:39,506 and if they had been directed, 964 00:59:39,541 --> 00:59:43,303 which the Falun Gong outside of China denied, 965 00:59:43,338 --> 00:59:45,892 uh, but if they had, 966 00:59:45,927 --> 00:59:48,964 this organization was really willing 967 00:59:48,999 --> 00:59:51,588 to let people burn themselves alive 968 00:59:51,622 --> 00:59:53,590 to make a political point. 969 00:59:53,624 --> 00:59:55,177 Which is ironic, 970 00:59:55,212 --> 00:59:59,043 because it plays right into the Chinese Communist Party narrative 971 00:59:59,078 --> 01:00:00,286 of what the problem is. 972 01:00:01,528 --> 01:00:03,910 JASON: Lisa presumed it was Falun Gong contacts 973 01:00:03,945 --> 01:00:05,636 directing the participants. 974 01:00:05,671 --> 01:00:08,605 But the Chinese press and the participants themselves, 975 01:00:08,639 --> 01:00:10,089 in full confession mode, 976 01:00:10,123 --> 01:00:12,332 make no claims of any Falun Gong contacts 977 01:00:12,367 --> 01:00:14,196 directing them. 978 01:00:14,231 --> 01:00:17,165 Instead, they offer a more unusual explanation 979 01:00:17,199 --> 01:00:18,753 for the origin of their plan. 980 01:00:30,627 --> 01:00:31,697 JASON: Liu Yunfang, 981 01:00:31,731 --> 01:00:33,802 the seventh participant in the self-immolation 982 01:00:33,837 --> 01:00:36,736 appears in a government-organized press conference. 983 01:01:01,588 --> 01:01:04,453 JASON: It seems designed to showcase the harmful delusions 984 01:01:04,488 --> 01:01:07,871 of what are purported to be Falun Gong followers: 985 01:01:07,905 --> 01:01:10,874 Following dreams to commit acts of violence, 986 01:01:10,908 --> 01:01:12,807 believing oneself to be the incarnation 987 01:01:12,841 --> 01:01:15,016 of Falun Gong's founder, Li Hongzhi, 988 01:01:15,050 --> 01:01:17,674 is man who is still alive and living in New York. 989 01:01:17,708 --> 01:01:21,229 I'd seen nothing like this anywhere in Falun Gong. 990 01:01:21,263 --> 01:01:23,024 But buried inside this narrative 991 01:01:23,058 --> 01:01:24,128 was an admission 992 01:01:24,163 --> 01:01:25,820 that the idea for self-immolation 993 01:01:25,854 --> 01:01:28,546 came from this man, Liu Yunfang. 994 01:01:29,616 --> 01:01:31,860 Liu Yunfang says he lured other to join him 995 01:01:31,895 --> 01:01:33,517 on the basis of his visions. 996 01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,417 The state was holding all of Falun Gong culpable 997 01:01:37,452 --> 01:01:39,661 for this one man's alleged dream. 998 01:01:43,838 --> 01:01:45,978 It gets stranger. 999 01:01:46,012 --> 01:01:48,290 The dream shares a very specific detail 1000 01:01:48,325 --> 01:01:50,707 with the immolation plot in the book,Yellow Peril. 1001 01:01:52,778 --> 01:01:56,333 In both, the immolator wears a special auto-ignition device 1002 01:01:56,367 --> 01:01:58,128 that's planted in their clothes 1003 01:01:58,162 --> 01:02:00,440 and is used to set them alight. 1004 01:02:04,341 --> 01:02:05,998 JASON: Yellow Peril reads... 1005 01:02:13,419 --> 01:02:15,870 In my review of examples of self-immolation, 1006 01:02:15,904 --> 01:02:19,874 I hadn't found any others that mentioned using an auto-ignition device 1007 01:02:19,908 --> 01:02:22,531 which sounds like a very elaborate piece of technology 1008 01:02:22,566 --> 01:02:24,671 if your plan was to set yourself on fire. 1009 01:02:24,706 --> 01:02:27,226 It appears once in this banned work of fiction 1010 01:02:27,260 --> 01:02:30,401 about a state conspiracy to frame a repressed group, 1011 01:02:30,436 --> 01:02:33,611 and then again in Liu Yunfang's dream. 1012 01:02:33,646 --> 01:02:36,200 A dream that would also become the justification 1013 01:02:36,235 --> 01:02:39,514 for a continued repression of millions. 1014 01:02:39,548 --> 01:02:42,759 And this from the man who didn't manage to ignite his own fire 1015 01:02:42,793 --> 01:02:45,520 nearly 20 minutes after the group's agreed time. 1016 01:05:41,627 --> 01:05:43,940 CELIA OU: We talked to our local government 1017 01:05:43,974 --> 01:05:46,943 which is the City of Port Jervis. 1018 01:06:22,530 --> 01:06:23,669 INTERVIEWER: I mean, how does it feel 1019 01:06:23,703 --> 01:06:27,017 looking back on these articles 1020 01:06:27,052 --> 01:06:28,985 and what you've achieved? 1021 01:06:31,228 --> 01:06:32,712 It's sad. 1022 01:06:36,716 --> 01:06:40,030 No, I think that, you know, that shows that 1023 01:06:40,065 --> 01:06:41,445 it's true 1024 01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:46,105 that the evil is very afraid of being exposed. 1025 01:06:46,140 --> 01:06:47,796 And, um... 1026 01:06:48,832 --> 01:06:51,317 And that's what we do. 1027 01:06:52,732 --> 01:06:54,010 And that works. 1028 01:07:03,295 --> 01:07:06,643 Several months after the event, I was in Geneva. 1029 01:07:08,024 --> 01:07:10,060 I was shown a video 1030 01:07:10,095 --> 01:07:12,580 debunking the Chinese claims. 1031 01:07:12,614 --> 01:07:15,272 MAN ON VIDEO: How is it possible that a plastic bottle 1032 01:07:15,307 --> 01:07:16,756 filled with gasoline 1033 01:07:16,791 --> 01:07:18,965 encompassed by a burning man's legs 1034 01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:20,898 remains in perfect condition? 1035 01:07:22,210 --> 01:07:25,834 I thought the Chinese version of the events was just... 1036 01:07:27,388 --> 01:07:29,735 for want of a better term, unbelievable. 1037 01:07:29,769 --> 01:07:32,462 It just didn't add up at all. 1038 01:07:32,496 --> 01:07:35,672 And we made comments and statements 1039 01:07:35,706 --> 01:07:38,226 in the Human Rights Council Session 1040 01:07:38,261 --> 01:07:42,506 condemning the Chinese Government's version of the events. 1041 01:07:44,508 --> 01:07:47,235 China harassed us. 1042 01:07:47,270 --> 01:07:49,720 They tried to play little games. 1043 01:07:49,755 --> 01:07:53,276 They would sort of hover and pace 1044 01:07:53,310 --> 01:07:55,105 and make comments, etc. 1045 01:07:55,140 --> 01:07:58,522 They expected to be threatening and intimidating. 1046 01:07:58,557 --> 01:08:01,180 And some NGOs are intimidated by it 1047 01:08:01,215 --> 01:08:02,906 but I'm not, particularly. 1048 01:08:05,288 --> 01:08:09,050 But China is such a major power. 1049 01:08:09,085 --> 01:08:13,537 We have been unable to get a single resolution 1050 01:08:13,572 --> 01:08:15,781 on China, condemning China for anything. 1051 01:08:15,815 --> 01:08:17,472 That would require ultimately 1052 01:08:17,507 --> 01:08:19,129 going to the Security Council, 1053 01:08:19,164 --> 01:08:20,579 and China has a veto. 1054 01:08:20,613 --> 01:08:23,754 It doesn't mean that people agree with China. 1055 01:08:23,789 --> 01:08:25,825 But it also means that people know 1056 01:08:25,860 --> 01:08:30,416 they cannot get anything with teeth 1057 01:08:30,451 --> 01:08:31,935 against China. 1058 01:08:44,810 --> 01:08:47,502 RICHARD: Finally when I know, I said, "Okay, great. 1059 01:08:47,537 --> 01:08:49,263 "Get out of there quick. 1060 01:08:49,297 --> 01:08:50,712 "As soon as possible. 1061 01:08:50,747 --> 01:08:54,613 "Forget your property, forget your money, just get out, 1062 01:08:54,647 --> 01:09:00,066 "because in there, you are a piece of meat..." 1063 01:09:03,484 --> 01:09:04,795 They can kill you. 1064 01:09:04,830 --> 01:09:07,626 The knife is in their hand. They can kill you anytime. 1065 01:09:59,574 --> 01:10:01,162 JASON: In December, 2013, 1066 01:10:01,197 --> 01:10:03,992 the Communist Party puts Li Dongsheng under investigation 1067 01:10:04,027 --> 01:10:07,789 for unrelated charges of bribery and abuses of power. 1068 01:10:07,824 --> 01:10:10,171 It's part of what is said to have been a power struggle 1069 01:10:10,206 --> 01:10:13,209 between factions at high levels of the Communist Party. 1070 01:10:14,279 --> 01:10:15,935 Li is removed from his post 1071 01:10:15,970 --> 01:10:18,662 which then include Vice Minister of Public Security, 1072 01:10:18,697 --> 01:10:20,630 and Head of the Central 610 Office 1073 01:10:20,664 --> 01:10:22,563 for handling Falun Gong. 1074 01:10:23,633 --> 01:10:25,428 In January 2016, 1075 01:10:25,462 --> 01:10:28,016 he is sentenced to 15 years in prison. 1076 01:11:04,536 --> 01:11:08,402 KAREN: Say we work and work and work on a certain issue 1077 01:11:08,436 --> 01:11:11,336 and it looks like there's an impasse, 1078 01:11:11,370 --> 01:11:12,647 and then something will happen 1079 01:11:12,682 --> 01:11:16,755 that completely changes the dynamic. 1080 01:11:16,789 --> 01:11:20,724 And, for instance, Nelson Mandela was freed. 1081 01:11:21,725 --> 01:11:24,832 The USSR fell apart. 1082 01:11:25,557 --> 01:11:27,559 The Berlin Wall came down. 1083 01:11:27,593 --> 01:11:29,837 -I mean, these... 1084 01:11:29,871 --> 01:11:33,323 There are little hints that something might happen. 1085 01:11:34,151 --> 01:11:35,152 But... 1086 01:11:35,187 --> 01:11:37,983 sometimes there's a sea change overnight. 1087 01:11:39,122 --> 01:11:44,161 And those sea changes are inspirational, actually. 1088 01:11:44,196 --> 01:11:45,197 MAN: Okay. 1089 01:11:46,336 --> 01:11:49,443 -Ready? -Chen, 14. 1090 01:11:49,477 --> 01:11:50,892 JASON: I had hoped to find all the answers 1091 01:11:50,927 --> 01:11:53,654 of what happened in Tiananmen Square that day. 1092 01:11:53,688 --> 01:11:55,656 But I don't think that's possible. 1093 01:11:55,690 --> 01:11:57,796 The clues and the circumstantial evidence 1094 01:11:57,830 --> 01:11:59,522 suggest a government conspiracy 1095 01:11:59,556 --> 01:12:00,833 to frame Falun Gong. 1096 01:12:00,868 --> 01:12:03,388 But there also isn't a smoking gun. 1097 01:12:03,422 --> 01:12:05,942 And considering the environment in mainland China, 1098 01:12:05,976 --> 01:12:09,290 it seems unlikely that one will ever emerge. 1099 01:12:09,325 --> 01:12:10,636 Just being a foreign journalist 1100 01:12:10,671 --> 01:12:14,364 covering the facts as you see them in China, 1101 01:12:14,399 --> 01:12:17,022 was hard enough with this story. 1102 01:12:17,056 --> 01:12:21,129 You know, we weren't even gonna look at the competing theories. 1103 01:12:22,130 --> 01:12:23,684 JASON: There were times I was frustrated 1104 01:12:23,718 --> 01:12:25,375 that the foreign press hadn't dug deeper 1105 01:12:25,410 --> 01:12:27,860 to uncover the inconsistencies in this story 1106 01:12:27,895 --> 01:12:30,035 that were hiding in plain sight. 1107 01:12:30,069 --> 01:12:31,795 But Lisa had also taken risks 1108 01:12:31,830 --> 01:12:33,866 to cover Falun Gong protests before, 1109 01:12:33,901 --> 01:12:35,489 and she'd smuggled her footage 1110 01:12:35,523 --> 01:12:37,353 out of Tiananmen Square. 1111 01:12:37,387 --> 01:12:38,492 Given that she'd gone looking 1112 01:12:38,526 --> 01:12:40,494 for another Falun Gong protest that day, 1113 01:12:40,528 --> 01:12:43,497 I'm not surprised she viewed it in that light. 1114 01:12:43,531 --> 01:12:46,327 And as questions did emerge about the state narrative, 1115 01:12:46,362 --> 01:12:49,088 Lisa and CNN were quickly off the story. 1116 01:12:52,368 --> 01:12:55,785 That photographer behind the burning monk photo, Malcolm Brown, 1117 01:12:55,819 --> 01:12:57,580 had written something once. 1118 01:12:57,614 --> 01:12:59,478 He described seeing a newspaper image 1119 01:12:59,513 --> 01:13:00,755 of an elephant on water skis 1120 01:13:00,790 --> 01:13:03,240 passing under the Brooklyn Bridge. 1121 01:13:03,275 --> 01:13:06,589 An ad for toothpaste was printed on the side of the elephant. 1122 01:13:06,623 --> 01:13:08,245 He said... 1123 01:13:27,679 --> 01:13:30,026 It's difficult to imagine a world in which a government 1124 01:13:30,060 --> 01:13:32,477 could devise a self-immolation scheme 1125 01:13:32,511 --> 01:13:34,168 to frame a religious group. 1126 01:13:35,721 --> 01:13:38,448 But it was also difficult to imagine soldiers opening fire 1127 01:13:38,483 --> 01:13:39,725 on unarmed students 1128 01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:41,934 who were appealing for democracy. 1129 01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:46,283 Twelve years after the 1989 massacre in Beijing, 1130 01:13:46,318 --> 01:13:49,010 as China was ascending on the international stage, 1131 01:13:49,045 --> 01:13:51,772 it was more concerned about its global standing. 1132 01:13:51,806 --> 01:13:53,463 It's conceivable that party leaders 1133 01:13:53,498 --> 01:13:55,707 would have felt a bold character assassination 1134 01:13:55,741 --> 01:13:59,193 was a smaller risk than the continued visible bloodshed. 1135 01:14:00,815 --> 01:14:02,230 DANNY: If you'd been arguing 1136 01:14:02,265 --> 01:14:05,924 that Falun Gong is encouraging suicides, 1137 01:14:05,958 --> 01:14:07,857 what better way to show that 1138 01:14:07,891 --> 01:14:10,722 than to actually stage an event 1139 01:14:10,756 --> 01:14:13,069 in which people burn themselves publicly 1140 01:14:13,103 --> 01:14:16,348 in a prominent place like Tiananmen Square? 1141 01:14:16,382 --> 01:14:18,454 DAVID: The people are swayed by their emotions 1142 01:14:18,488 --> 01:14:22,216 and their desire not to have to deal with a problem 1143 01:14:22,250 --> 01:14:24,598 that they think they can avoid. 1144 01:14:24,632 --> 01:14:27,014 Once you accept that your government 1145 01:14:27,048 --> 01:14:29,050 has been involved in a conspiracy 1146 01:14:29,085 --> 01:14:32,398 involving the murder of hundreds of innocent people, 1147 01:14:32,433 --> 01:14:37,058 you then have to come face to face with your own helplessness. 1148 01:14:37,093 --> 01:14:40,165 And that's not something that a lot of people want. 1149 01:14:42,823 --> 01:14:46,516 JASON: There are often many good reasons not to ask questions, 1150 01:14:46,551 --> 01:14:50,209 especially when doing so might challenge an imposing authority. 1151 01:14:52,073 --> 01:14:53,592 But there's also something remarkable 1152 01:14:53,627 --> 01:14:56,664 about those who still dare to speak truth to power, 1153 01:14:56,699 --> 01:14:58,459 even in the face of great risks. 1154 01:15:00,357 --> 01:15:03,257 PETER LI: I remember Chen Ruichang 1155 01:15:03,291 --> 01:15:05,466 is one of the practitioners 1156 01:15:05,501 --> 01:15:07,641 who was specially, 1157 01:15:07,675 --> 01:15:09,677 I mean, how do I say... 1158 01:15:13,923 --> 01:15:16,891 We can see how much suffering 1159 01:15:16,926 --> 01:15:18,341 he experienced, right? 1160 01:15:20,067 --> 01:15:22,897 But they never change. 85766

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