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I had ambitions to set out and find...
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like an odyssey of going home somewhere.
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I set out to find this home
that I'd left a while back...
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and I couldn't remember exactly
where it was, but I was on my way there.
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And encountering what I encountered
on the way, was how I envisioned it all.
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I didn't really have any ambition at all.
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I was born very far
from where I'm supposed to be...
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and so I'm on my way home, you know.
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Once upon a time you dressed so fine
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You threw the bums a dime in your prime
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Didn't you?
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People call and say,
"Beware, doll, you're bound to fall"
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You thought they were all kidding you
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You used to laugh about
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Everybody that was hanging out
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Now you don't talk too loud
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Now you don't seem so proud
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About having to be scrounging around
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For your next meal
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How does it feel
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How does it feel
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To be on your own
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With no direction home
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Like a complete unknown
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Like a rolling stone?
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Time... You can do a lot of things
that seem to make time stand still...
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but of course, you know,
no one can do that.
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Maybe when I was about 10,
I started playing the guitar.
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I found a guitar in the house
that my father bought, actually.
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I found something else in there.
This kind of mystical overtones.
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There was a great big mahogany radio.
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It had a 78 turntable
when you opened up the top.
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And I opened it up one day...
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and there was a record on,
a country record...
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this song called
Drifting Too Far From Shore.
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The sound of the record made me feel
like I was somebody else...
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and that...
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you know, I was maybe not even
born to the right parents, or something.
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It looked like any other town
out of the '40s or '50s.
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Just some rural town.
It was on the way to nowhere.
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And you probably couldn't find it on a map.
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Maybe three blocks one way,
and maybe three blocks the other way...
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and that was like a main street
where all the department stores were...
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the drugstores, the...
That's about it, you know.
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What happens to a town
after the livelihood is gone?
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All right, it just sort of decays
and blows away, doesn't it?
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That's the way it goes.
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Most of the land was either farmland...
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or just completely scavenged
by the mining companies.
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Very hot in the summertime...
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in the winter,
it was just rightly cold, you know.
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All winter, it was just, I mean...
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We didn't have the clothes they have now...
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so I mean, you just wore
two or three shirts at a time.
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Slept in your clothes.
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The pit was on the outer limits of the town.
That's where everybody worked.
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You couldn't be a rebel.
It was so cold that you couldn't be bad.
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The weather equalizes everything
very quickly.
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And nobody was gonna really pull a stickup.
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There really wasn't any philosophy,
any idiom...
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any ideology to really go against.
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My father and his brothers,
they had an electrical store.
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'Bout the first job I ever had
was sweeping up the store...
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and I was supposed to learn...
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the discipline of hard work or something,
you know...
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and the merits of employment.
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Circuses came through.
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There were tent shows
at the carny midways.
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And they had barkers.
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Got a horse with two heads!
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Got a chicken in there with a man's face!
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Come see the girl-boy!
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It was just more rural back then.
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That's what people did.
You could see guys in blackface.;
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George Washington in blackface...
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or Napoleon wearing blackface.
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Like, weird Shakespearean things.
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Stuff that didn't really make any sense
at the time.
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And people had other jobs
in the carny team.
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I saw somebody putting makeup on...
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getting back from running
the Ferris wheel once.
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And I thought that was pretty interesting.
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Guy's got, you know... He does two things,
you know, or something like that.
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I've got a song here that I'd like to do
that's been awful kind to me and the boys.
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It's a tune called.;
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Cold Cold Heart.
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We'd have to listen late at night
for other stations to come in...
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from other parts of the country,
places that were far away.
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Fifty-thousand watt stations
coming out through the atmosphere.
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Johnnie Ray.;
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He had some kind of strange incantation
in his voice...
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like he'd been voodooed...
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and he cried, kind of, when he sang.
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It's Grand Ole Opry time.
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Another big folk music show,
starring Webb Pierce.
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It was the sound that got to me.
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It wasn't who it was, or...
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It was the sound of it.
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This is our town, Hibbing, Minnesota, USA.
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I began listening to the radio,
I began to get bored being there.
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I thought about going to military school...
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but the military school
that I envisioned myself going to...
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I couldn't get in...
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which was West Point.
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You know, I could always envision myself
dying in some heroic battle somewhere.
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So I mean, maybe that era...
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has gone.
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First time I heard rock 'n' roll
on the radio...
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I felt it was pretty similar to the
country music which I'd been listening to.
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I formed a couple of groups, growing up,
and we rehearsed and played...
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where we could play.
There wasn't much opportunity...
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to really break out of that area.
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Robert was in my class, and that was
the era that they had the talent show.
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Robert, of course, he was up on stage.
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His concert began,
and it was quite surprising.
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I saw Robert stand there at the piano...
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and my guess is
that he was trying to destroy it.
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He was pumping on the thing.
It was a most unusual thing to observe.
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The principal pulled the curtain on him.
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He said to me, "I didn't think
that music was suitable for the audience...
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"so I pulled the curtain. "
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Nobody liked country music,
or rock 'n' roll, or rhythm and blues.
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That kind of music wasn't
what was happening up there.
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The music that was popular was
How Much is that Doggie in the Window?
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That wasn't our reality.
Our reality was bleak to begin with.
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Our reality was fear that at any moment...
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this black cloud would explode,
where everybody would be dead.
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They would show you in school,
how to dive for cover under your desk.
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We grew up with all that,
so it created a sense of paranoia...
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that, I don't know, was probably unforeseen.
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In May, 1959,
I recorded a tape for Bob Zimmerman.
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Bob was real excited to learn
I had a tape recorder...
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and he wanted to know
what he sounded like.
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I really can't say
if the girls took a liking to me or not...
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from playing around town.
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The first girl that ever took a liking to me,
her name was Gloria Story.
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Gloria Story, I mean,
that was her real name.
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Second girlfriend was named Echo.
Now, that's pretty strange.
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I've never met anybody named Echo.
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I serenaded her underneath the ladder
that went up to her window.
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And both these girls, by the way,
brought out the poet in me.
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Long after we have gone...
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while the flesh of our beginning has not yet
traveled the light years into distance...
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it will disappear into the blackness
of the space from which we came...
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destroyed as we began,
in a burst of gas and fire.
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James Dean, Brando, The Wild One.
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It didn't kill all the entire past.
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It's not like they just appeared
and there's a new scene happening now.
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Time, you know, time kind of
obliterated the past...
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that was around when I was growing up.
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Just time and progress, really.
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How does it feel
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Oh, how does it feel
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To be on your own
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With no direction home
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Like a complete unknown
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Like a rolling stone?
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He's just changed altogether.
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He's changed from what he was.
He's not the same as what he was at first.
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- You don't even recognize him.
- No.
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About a year ago, I saw him here
in Sheffield at the City Hall...
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and I thought he was magnificent.
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You know, I thought
he just couldn't improve if he tried.
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Then the next thing that happened was...
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he went really commercial,
with this backing group.
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And I didn't like that very much.
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I don't know what he's trying to do.
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I think he's conceding, you know,
to some sort of popular taste.
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I think it's a bad thing.
I think he's prostituting himself.
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I don't think the spirit of the Dylan songs
has been portrayed with this...
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with this incredibly corny group behind him.
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I like his earlier records
as on his Freewheelin' LPs, etcetera...
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but this, I just can't stick.
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I found it rather boring.
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I found there was too much improvising
on his wretched harmonica.
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And he tended to lose the rhythm
on his guitar altogether at times.
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Hey, Mr. Tambourine Man,
play a song for me
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I'm not sleepy
and there is no place I'm going to
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Hey, Mr. Tambourine Man,
play a song for me
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In the jingle jangle morning
I'll come following you
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Though I know that evening's empire
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Has returned into sand
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Vanished from my hand
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Left me blindly here to stand
but still not sleeping
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My weariness amazes me
I'm branded on my feet
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I have no one to meet
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And the ancient empty street's
too dead for dreaming
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Hey, Mr. Tambourine Man,
play a song for me
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I'm not sleepy
and there is no place I'm going to
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Hey, Mr. Tambourine Man,
play a song for me
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In the jingle jangle morning
I'll come following you
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Got out of high school
and left the very next day.
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I'd gone as far as I could
in my particular environment.
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I was gonna try to join some other band.
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There was only one guy that ever
came out of there, and he was out of Fargo.
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And I'd actually gone there to play with him.
He had a regional hit called Suzie Baby.
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At that point,
I was just playing triplets on the piano.
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I didn't have my own piano,
so they weren't gonna buy a piano.
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But I did play some shows with them.
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Nothing much came of it.
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He would let people know
that he was maybe Bobby Vee.
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Bob told everyone including his, like,
cousins and relatives...
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that, you know, he was Bobby Vee.
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And I guess he liked that recognition
of being famous.
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'Cause people looked at him, and say:
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"Hey, that's a pretty good song
you got out, Bobby Vee."
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I was a musical expeditionary.
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I had no past, really, to speak of,
nothing to go back to, nobody to lean on.
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I came down to Minneapolis.
I didn't go to classes.
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I was enrolled...
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but I didn't go to classes.
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I just didn't feel like it.
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We were singing and playing all night.
Sleeping most of, you know, the morning.
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I didn't really have any time for studying.
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"Praised be man
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"He is existing in milk, and living in lilies
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"And his violin music
takes place in milk and creamy emptiness
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"Praised be the unfolded inside petal
flesh of tend'rest thought
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"Praised be delusion; The ripple
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"Praised be the Holy Ocean of Eternity
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"Praised be I, writing,
dead already, and dead again"
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I fell into that atmosphere
of everything Kerouac was saying...
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about the world being completely mad.
224
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And the only people for him
that were interesting...
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were the mad people, the mad ones,
the ones who were, you know, mad to live...
226
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and mad to talk, mad to be saved,
desirous of everything at the same time...
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the ones who never yawn,
all those mad ones.
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And I felt like I fit right into that bunch.
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I had heard folk music
before leaving the Iron Range.
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I'd heard John Jacob Niles somewhere,
strangely enough.
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I don't know, folk music
was delivering me something, you know...
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which was the way I always felt about life,
you know, and people...
233
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and, you know, institutions, and ideology...
234
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and it was just,
you know, uncovering it all.
235
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She played that upstroke-downstroke
kind of rhythm...
236
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where you don't need the drum.
It's kind of like a Tex-Mex rhythm.
237
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I heard that rhythm...
238
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and I thought, well, I could use
that rhythm for all kinds of things.
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I don't even remember, you know,
buying any records.
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If went into the booth...
I had a very agile mind.
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I could learn a song
by maybe hearing it once or twice.
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I traded my electric equipment
for an acoustic guitar.
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Started playing almost immediately.
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There he is, down at the end of the bar.
Dylan! How are you?
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Dylan Thomas, and he's looking shocked.
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Out in Minnesota...
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there was a young man who was inspired...
248
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to change his name to Dylan...
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because of the poet Dylan Thomas.
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"Piety sings
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"Innocence sweetens my last black breath
252
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"Modesty hides my thighs in her wings
253
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"And all the deadly virtues
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"plague my death!"
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Why it became that particular name,
I really can't say.
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There was some intimation
that maybe he was changing his name...
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'cause of a racial thing.
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'Cause, I later found out...
259
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that Minneapolis had a fairly big history
of being anti-Semitic...
260
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which I wasn't aware of at all.
261
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The name just popped into my head
one day.
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But it didn't really happen
any of the ways that I've read about it.
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I mean, I just don't feel like I had had a
past...
264
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and, you know,
I couldn't relate to anything...
265
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other than what I was doing
at the present time...
266
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and I don't, you know...
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Didn't matter to me what I said,
you know. It still doesn't, really.
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He sounded, like, average, I would say.
He wasn't the worst, he wasn't the best...
269
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but the repertoire was similar
to everybody else's repertoire...
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Josh White, Odetta, Belafonte.
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Right then and there I had no goal
except learning all the songs I could.
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He was hungry.
You know, hungry in a lot of ways...
273
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not just for money, not just for fame...
274
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but he was hungry for experience,
for getting out, for doing it...
275
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for seeing what was out there,
seeing who he could be.
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He was like a sponge in a way, like...
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pick up people's mannerisms, accents.
278
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I'd forgotten all about the Iron Range,
where I grew up.
279
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I'd forgotten about it all.
280
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It didn't even enter my mind.
281
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Woody Guthrie, he had a particular sound.
282
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And besides that, he said something
to go along with his sound.
283
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That was highly unusual, to my ears.
284
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He was a radical,
his songs had a radical slant.
285
00:26:27,302 --> 00:26:30,465
I thought, "ooh," you know, like...
"That's what I want to sing.
286
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"I want to sing that."
287
00:26:40,849 --> 00:26:43,113
I couldn't believe
that I'd never heard of this man.
288
00:26:43,218 --> 00:26:47,018
You could listen to his songs,
and actually learn how to live.
289
00:26:48,090 --> 00:26:51,355
One guy said,
"You're singing a Woody Guthrie song. "
290
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He gave me a book that he wrote,
called Bound for Glory, and I read it.
291
00:26:55,964 --> 00:26:58,865
I identified with that
Bound for Glory book...
292
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more than I even did with On the Road.
293
00:27:03,505 --> 00:27:06,303
These songs sounded archaic
to most people.
294
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I don't know
why they didn't sound archaic to me.
295
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They sounded like these songs
were happening at the moment, to me.
296
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Well, I see you got your
297
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brand new leopard-skin pill-box hat
298
00:27:30,966 --> 00:27:33,730
Yes, I see you got your
299
00:27:34,136 --> 00:27:38,072
brand new leopard-skin pill-box hat
300
00:27:39,708 --> 00:27:42,040
Well, you must tell me, baby
301
00:27:42,144 --> 00:27:45,705
how your head feels
under somethin' like that
302
00:27:45,881 --> 00:27:49,214
Under your brand new
leopard-skin pill-box hat
303
00:27:49,384 --> 00:27:51,579
Well, you wear it so pretty
304
00:27:52,154 --> 00:27:55,055
Honey, can I jump on it sometime?
305
00:27:57,926 --> 00:28:00,486
Yes, I just wanna see
306
00:28:01,096 --> 00:28:04,190
if it's really the expensive kind
307
00:28:06,502 --> 00:28:09,062
You know it balances on your head
308
00:28:09,171 --> 00:28:12,504
just like a mattress balances
on a bottle of wine
309
00:28:12,608 --> 00:28:15,771
Your brand new leopard-skin pill-box hat
310
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I asked the doctor if I could see you
311
00:28:46,375 --> 00:28:47,865
Fantastic, very good.
312
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- Rank.
- Excellent.
313
00:28:50,812 --> 00:28:54,077
- It was lousy, it was pathetic.
- He was great!
314
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It said on the ticket
you came to see Dylan not a group.
315
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Not a pop group.
316
00:29:09,398 --> 00:29:11,229
Special paper, now, with all the pictures.
317
00:29:26,181 --> 00:29:28,411
I was just learning songs
and playing them...
318
00:29:28,517 --> 00:29:31,042
and trying to find out
who Woody Guthrie was.
319
00:29:32,521 --> 00:29:35,547
Woody's records
were almost impossible to find.
320
00:29:35,958 --> 00:29:38,893
They didn't have any of his records
in the record stores.
321
00:29:39,461 --> 00:29:42,862
Paul was a folk music scholar.
He didn't play at all.
322
00:29:42,965 --> 00:29:45,160
He had a whole lot of records...
323
00:29:45,267 --> 00:29:47,929
which probably couldn't be found
anywhere else in the Midwest...
324
00:29:48,036 --> 00:29:51,403
except at Paul's house,
and he lived there with somebody else.
325
00:29:53,408 --> 00:29:56,639
You know, I was listening to records
at his house once.
326
00:29:56,745 --> 00:29:58,508
I knew they'd be away for the weekend...
327
00:29:58,614 --> 00:30:01,879
so I went over there and helped myself
to a bunch of old records.
328
00:30:05,220 --> 00:30:09,657
About 25 records disappeared,
mostly the stuff that Dylan was listening to.
329
00:30:09,758 --> 00:30:12,852
And we sort of figured out
that he'd taken them.
330
00:30:12,961 --> 00:30:16,727
Those records were extremely hard to find.
They were like hen's teeth.
331
00:30:17,566 --> 00:30:20,535
If you came across them,
somebody like myself...
332
00:30:20,636 --> 00:30:23,400
who was a musical expeditionary...
333
00:30:23,505 --> 00:30:26,804
you know, you just would have to
immerse yourself in them.
334
00:30:26,908 --> 00:30:29,001
So we started trying to track Dylan down.
335
00:30:29,111 --> 00:30:32,012
We tried the fraternity house
where he had once been.
336
00:30:32,114 --> 00:30:35,572
No luck there. We got another address,
and then yet another.
337
00:30:35,684 --> 00:30:38,414
And everybody said,
"Boy, this kid must be popular," you know.
338
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:42,047
"You're about the tenth guy looking for him"
you know, at every place we went.
339
00:30:42,157 --> 00:30:46,423
And I don't know how we finally found him,
but we got a current apartment.
340
00:30:46,828 --> 00:30:50,025
This was a John Wayne production number,
that John did.
341
00:30:50,132 --> 00:30:53,067
He got a bowling pin,
and he got a big cigar...
342
00:30:53,168 --> 00:30:56,501
and John was 6'4" or something like this.
343
00:30:58,707 --> 00:31:02,199
And he wasn't ever intending to hit Dylan
with the bowling pin or anything...
344
00:31:02,311 --> 00:31:04,176
but he was really gonna do the bit.
345
00:31:04,279 --> 00:31:08,443
John just started waving the bowling pin
over his head, and just saying.;
346
00:31:08,550 --> 00:31:11,519
"I'm gonna beat the hell out of you.
Where are my records?"
347
00:31:11,620 --> 00:31:15,420
And Dylan was very scared
for the first time around this routine went.
348
00:31:15,524 --> 00:31:18,493
But he maintained his cool somehow...
349
00:31:20,162 --> 00:31:23,154
and it somehow settled
into sort of an absurdist drama...
350
00:31:23,265 --> 00:31:25,460
where they would sort of talk.
351
00:31:26,468 --> 00:31:29,631
Dylan would say something interesting,
and John would get interesting...
352
00:31:29,738 --> 00:31:33,367
and they'd start to talk, and they'd start
to sort of like each other a little bit.
353
00:31:33,475 --> 00:31:35,340
Then John would remember
why he was there...
354
00:31:35,444 --> 00:31:37,571
and he'd start brandishing the pin again.
355
00:31:37,679 --> 00:31:39,738
And they'd play the whole scene out again.
356
00:31:57,933 --> 00:32:01,460
I wanted to get to the East Coast
to visit Woody Guthrie.
357
00:32:02,070 --> 00:32:05,130
When I first heard him, I didn't know
if he was dead or alive, really.
358
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,403
But then I discovered
that he was definitely alive...
359
00:32:08,510 --> 00:32:11,638
and he was in a hospital...
360
00:32:12,914 --> 00:32:14,973
with some kind of ailment.
361
00:32:16,017 --> 00:32:18,178
So I thought it'd be a nice gesture
to go visit him.
362
00:32:20,122 --> 00:32:24,525
Hitchhiking back then was very acceptable.
I had a suitcase and a guitar.
363
00:32:25,026 --> 00:32:28,230
And I don't know,
maybe I had $ 10 in my pocket.
364
00:33:16,611 --> 00:33:19,739
Joan Baez, she was staggering.
365
00:33:20,549 --> 00:33:22,983
Kind of like hit my world
from a different angle.
366
00:33:26,621 --> 00:33:29,613
She was completely about folk music.
367
00:33:30,258 --> 00:33:33,523
She was an excellent,
really excellent guitar player.
368
00:33:33,662 --> 00:33:37,063
When I saw her on television,
I thought, you know, like.;
369
00:33:37,165 --> 00:33:40,430
"That girl looks like
she might need a singing partner. "
370
00:33:41,603 --> 00:33:45,300
I'd say she was someplace
in the back of my mind, you know.
371
00:33:46,107 --> 00:33:49,599
Let the word go forth
from this time and place...
372
00:33:49,744 --> 00:33:51,974
to friend and foe alike...
373
00:33:52,147 --> 00:33:56,447
that the torch has been passed
to a new generation of Americans.
374
00:33:57,452 --> 00:34:01,684
Ask not what your country can do for you.
375
00:34:01,790 --> 00:34:04,156
Ask what you can do for your country.
376
00:34:05,494 --> 00:34:07,428
Got out of the car
on George Washington Bridge...
377
00:34:07,529 --> 00:34:09,759
took the subway down to the Village.
378
00:34:09,865 --> 00:34:13,494
Went to the Café Wha?
I looked out at the crowd.
379
00:34:13,635 --> 00:34:15,330
I most likely asked from the stage.;
380
00:34:15,437 --> 00:34:18,929
"Does anybody know where
a couple of people could stay tonight?"
381
00:34:20,275 --> 00:34:24,712
It was in old Greenwich Village,
which was the '20s bohemia...
382
00:34:24,913 --> 00:34:27,279
and had a very venerable history.
383
00:34:27,916 --> 00:34:29,577
I first came down in 1948...
384
00:34:30,919 --> 00:34:32,580
with a red bandana around my neck...
385
00:34:32,687 --> 00:34:35,281
on the subway to go...
386
00:34:35,390 --> 00:34:37,756
to see if I could find poets...
387
00:34:38,627 --> 00:34:40,151
in Greenwich Village.
388
00:34:40,262 --> 00:34:41,524
But there had been poets.
389
00:34:41,630 --> 00:34:45,589
I probably came into the Village
around 1952 or '53. I was a kid.
390
00:34:46,835 --> 00:34:48,928
I was living in Queens,
not liking it very much.
391
00:34:49,037 --> 00:34:51,335
And for me, it was very sophisticated.
I liked that.
392
00:34:53,575 --> 00:34:54,940
I was into jazz at the time.
393
00:34:55,043 --> 00:34:58,376
I didn't like the folk music thing
much at all, I was very snobbish.
394
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,505
Over across the street, there was Nick's.
395
00:35:00,615 --> 00:35:02,583
I actually met Tony Spargo...
396
00:35:02,684 --> 00:35:05,619
who was the drummer
on the very first jazz records...
397
00:35:05,720 --> 00:35:09,986
with the Original Dixieland Jazz Band,
in 1917.
398
00:35:11,593 --> 00:35:13,553
When I was young,
it was a very laid-back place...
399
00:35:14,829 --> 00:35:19,698
intermingled with various ethnic groups
were lots of what we called bohemians...
400
00:35:19,801 --> 00:35:21,996
doing their art, walking their dogs.
401
00:35:28,043 --> 00:35:31,535
There was a wonderful creative climate there
although I didn't...
402
00:35:31,646 --> 00:35:35,377
I wasn't fully aware of it,
but it was the center of the art world...
403
00:35:35,483 --> 00:35:37,883
happenings, the first art movements
were going on.
404
00:35:38,186 --> 00:35:39,448
It was all there.
405
00:35:39,955 --> 00:35:42,446
You were suddenly able
to take your clothes off.
406
00:35:43,391 --> 00:35:48,192
You were suddenly free
of all the shackles of family...
407
00:35:48,463 --> 00:35:50,090
the baggage...
408
00:35:51,066 --> 00:35:54,229
of tradition, of bad tradition.
409
00:35:54,869 --> 00:35:59,238
I was looking for freedom,
but freedom didn't exist all over America.
410
00:35:59,341 --> 00:36:03,141
Freedom only existed, really,
here in the Village, in Greenwich Village.
411
00:36:03,244 --> 00:36:06,372
"America, I've given you all,
and now I'm nothing
412
00:36:07,015 --> 00:36:11,748
"America, two dollars
and twenty-seven cents January 17, 1956
413
00:36:12,821 --> 00:36:14,812
"I can't stand my own mind
414
00:36:14,923 --> 00:36:17,721
"America, when will we end the human war?
415
00:36:17,926 --> 00:36:20,053
"Go fuck yourself with your atom bomb.
416
00:36:20,161 --> 00:36:22,129
"I don't feel good; Don't bother me
417
00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:25,358
"I won't write my poem
until I'm in my right mind"
418
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,397
The big breakthrough...
419
00:36:27,502 --> 00:36:30,994
was in an ex-gay bar on MacDougal Street...
420
00:36:31,773 --> 00:36:35,436
formerly the MacDougal Street Bar,
I think this was '58 or '59...
421
00:36:36,978 --> 00:36:38,969
then called The Gaslight.
422
00:36:40,181 --> 00:36:44,447
And it was the first poetry reading
in one of these sort of coffee shop/bars...
423
00:36:44,552 --> 00:36:47,521
sort of a folk club/coffee shop/bar.
424
00:36:48,156 --> 00:36:52,217
And it was so astonishing
that there was a story on Page 3...
425
00:36:52,327 --> 00:36:56,320
a whole page in the Daily News.;
"Poets Reading in the Coffee Shop. "
426
00:36:56,431 --> 00:36:58,365
"America, when will you be angelic?
427
00:36:58,466 --> 00:37:00,366
"When will you take off your clothes?
428
00:37:00,468 --> 00:37:02,732
"When will you look at yourself
through the grave?
429
00:37:02,837 --> 00:37:05,772
"When will you be worthy
of your million Trotskyites?
430
00:37:05,874 --> 00:37:08,900
"America, why are your libraries
full of tears?
431
00:37:09,277 --> 00:37:11,768
"America, when will you send
your eggs to India?
432
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:13,643
"I'm sick of your insane demands.
433
00:37:13,748 --> 00:37:17,081
"When can I go into the supermarket
and buy what I need with my good looks?"
434
00:37:17,185 --> 00:37:19,483
Down the block here was the San Remo.
435
00:37:19,587 --> 00:37:21,521
And every Saturday night
you'd have the riots...
436
00:37:21,623 --> 00:37:23,853
between the Stalinists and the Trotskyites.
437
00:37:23,958 --> 00:37:26,426
Glasses flying, that sort of thing.
438
00:37:28,630 --> 00:37:32,293
There's an old bitch upstairs
who keeps pounding the floor...
439
00:37:32,834 --> 00:37:35,564
and she's threatening to call the police
all the time.
440
00:37:35,670 --> 00:37:39,231
We used to be out at the bar here
with James Baldwin, the writer.
441
00:37:40,208 --> 00:37:42,676
And he used to puff smoke:
442
00:37:42,777 --> 00:37:46,611
"This goddamn Irish music!"
443
00:37:59,060 --> 00:38:00,891
And the whole place would erupt:
444
00:38:16,211 --> 00:38:18,975
In Washington Square, early days,
it was just a place...
445
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,413
for people to hang out on Sundays
and talk and play music...
446
00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:25,075
and kind of jockey around
and express themselves.
447
00:38:25,186 --> 00:38:29,213
It was a place where you could put it
together so someone could hear a little bit.
448
00:38:29,324 --> 00:38:31,451
There weren't many concerts in those days.
449
00:38:49,544 --> 00:38:53,139
People were starting to play little gigs
in these coffeehouses in the Village.
450
00:38:53,248 --> 00:38:54,875
We called them basket houses.
451
00:38:54,983 --> 00:38:58,475
We didn't get paid a dime but we would
pass a little bread basket around...
452
00:38:58,586 --> 00:39:00,918
after the set
and people would throw change in...
453
00:39:01,022 --> 00:39:03,889
and then we'd pack up our guitars
and go round to the next club.
454
00:39:15,970 --> 00:39:20,304
They'd put the singers on in between
beat poets to turn the house, essentially.
455
00:39:20,575 --> 00:39:21,837
So you'd get...
456
00:39:23,678 --> 00:39:25,839
three songs, you could sing three songs.
457
00:39:25,947 --> 00:39:27,278
And what it came down to is...
458
00:39:27,382 --> 00:39:30,909
if at the end of your three songs
there was still anybody seated...
459
00:39:31,019 --> 00:39:34,853
in the house, you were fired.
You weren't doing your job.
460
00:39:35,223 --> 00:39:39,660
Needless to say, we didn't get fired.
That we could do.
461
00:40:00,348 --> 00:40:02,839
When we played in the city,
who was the audience?
462
00:40:02,951 --> 00:40:05,715
Who were those people walking
up and down MacDougal Street?
463
00:40:05,820 --> 00:40:06,980
There was a lot of them.
464
00:40:07,088 --> 00:40:11,184
Some were people from the suburbs
coming in to look at the weird scene.
465
00:40:11,292 --> 00:40:13,292
Some were from the city
looking at the weird scene.
466
00:40:13,394 --> 00:40:14,725
Some were the weird scene.
467
00:40:15,096 --> 00:40:19,055
It was never clear that this was the audience
and this was the singer.
468
00:40:19,167 --> 00:40:22,330
Because maybe half the audience
if they had their druthers...
469
00:40:22,437 --> 00:40:25,634
they'd be up on the stage singing as well.
It was very interesting.
470
00:40:53,368 --> 00:40:55,302
I was ready for New York.
471
00:41:02,744 --> 00:41:05,770
I started playing immediately
and I realized right away...
472
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:10,442
that I'd come to the right place,
because there were many places to play.
473
00:41:16,357 --> 00:41:19,849
I played with Freddy Neil.
He was a big star down there.
474
00:41:19,994 --> 00:41:22,929
I did that until about 8.;00,
he would give me what he could.
475
00:41:23,031 --> 00:41:25,363
The place was usually packed
from 12.;00 to 8.;00...
476
00:41:25,466 --> 00:41:28,196
with tourists and lunch-hour secretaries.
477
00:41:28,303 --> 00:41:32,535
And then at 8:00
all the rest of the houses would open...
478
00:41:32,674 --> 00:41:34,904
where you'd pass the basket and play.
479
00:41:35,009 --> 00:41:37,239
Check it out.
480
00:41:37,345 --> 00:41:40,280
There'd be a carny on the street
bringing people down.
481
00:41:40,381 --> 00:41:42,372
"You know, you gotta come down here
and see this.
482
00:41:42,483 --> 00:41:44,917
"There's so much weirdness
you've never seen in your life. "
483
00:41:45,019 --> 00:41:46,987
Just always,
there'd be people coming and going.
484
00:41:47,088 --> 00:41:49,318
I have studied at Oxford University...
485
00:41:49,424 --> 00:41:51,984
I've done my research
at the British Museum...
486
00:41:52,126 --> 00:41:55,061
and have matriculated at Brooklyn College.
487
00:41:55,196 --> 00:41:57,687
Sawdust on the floor, tourist traps...
488
00:41:57,865 --> 00:42:02,097
like, a poet, somebody singing a song
with a parrot on a shoulder...
489
00:42:02,203 --> 00:42:04,034
Tiny Tim-type characters.
490
00:42:04,138 --> 00:42:07,005
No one who had any recordings out
ever played them.
491
00:42:07,408 --> 00:42:09,273
You only played those if you had to.
492
00:42:15,116 --> 00:42:18,244
You would have to
make an impression on somebody.
493
00:42:18,486 --> 00:42:20,579
There were many, many singers
who were good...
494
00:42:20,688 --> 00:42:22,688
but they couldn't focus
their attention on anybody.
495
00:42:23,958 --> 00:42:26,654
They couldn't really
get inside somebody's head.
496
00:42:32,266 --> 00:42:34,757
You gotta be able to pin somebody down.
497
00:42:35,036 --> 00:42:39,473
I remember him because he was different.
He was doing Woody Guthrie songs.
498
00:42:40,108 --> 00:42:43,475
He had on a little hat, he had a brace.
499
00:42:43,578 --> 00:42:47,014
There's a quality of determination...
500
00:42:47,115 --> 00:42:49,083
and of will that some people have...
501
00:42:50,551 --> 00:42:53,543
where when they're doing something,
they're really doing it...
502
00:42:53,654 --> 00:42:56,145
and you know that
you have to pay attention to them.
503
00:42:58,626 --> 00:43:02,118
I first met Bob in the winter of 1961.
504
00:43:02,296 --> 00:43:04,992
We were awkward.
Neither of us really knew quite what to say.
505
00:43:06,167 --> 00:43:08,635
So as a prop he pulled out this card.
506
00:43:08,736 --> 00:43:12,194
And he was moving his leg like that
and he just hands me the card.
507
00:43:12,306 --> 00:43:15,002
And after he handed it to me
he kind of glances and then...
508
00:43:15,109 --> 00:43:17,839
continues to sort of
talk about Woody Guthrie.
509
00:43:17,945 --> 00:43:22,541
And on the card it said,
"I ain't dead yet," signed, Woody Guthrie.
510
00:43:22,984 --> 00:43:27,614
And it was actually Woody's handwriting,
I guess, because Bob claimed it was.
511
00:43:28,056 --> 00:43:30,422
Like, Woody was very important
to both of us.
512
00:43:30,525 --> 00:43:33,289
Bob, I think, wanted to be
more like Woody than I did.
513
00:43:33,394 --> 00:43:36,261
He was able to adopt
a kind of theater about himself.
514
00:43:36,364 --> 00:43:40,494
Actually, the very first time that I met him,
he was really acting, in a way.
515
00:43:42,203 --> 00:43:45,366
And that was good because you can
go anywhere when you're somebody else.
516
00:43:45,807 --> 00:43:49,743
Cinderella, she seems so easy
517
00:43:49,844 --> 00:43:53,405
"It takes one to know one," she smiles
518
00:43:54,248 --> 00:43:57,775
And puts her hands into her back pockets
519
00:43:59,053 --> 00:44:01,681
Bette Davis style
520
00:44:02,423 --> 00:44:05,688
And in comes Romeo, he's moaning
521
00:44:06,127 --> 00:44:09,619
"You Belong to Me, I Believe"
522
00:44:10,665 --> 00:44:14,101
And someone turns and says to him
523
00:44:14,202 --> 00:44:17,638
"My friend, you'd better leave"
524
00:44:18,673 --> 00:44:22,234
And the only sound that's left
525
00:44:23,277 --> 00:44:26,303
after the ambulances go
526
00:44:27,215 --> 00:44:30,776
is Cinderella sweeping up
527
00:44:30,885 --> 00:44:34,116
on Desolation Row
528
00:44:37,125 --> 00:44:40,617
Now the moon is almost hidden
529
00:44:41,796 --> 00:44:45,288
The stars, they're just pretending to hide
530
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,265
The fortune-telling lady
531
00:44:49,537 --> 00:44:53,064
has even taken all her things inside
532
00:44:53,641 --> 00:44:56,439
All except for Cain and Abel
533
00:44:57,912 --> 00:45:01,370
And the Hunchback of Notre Dame
534
00:45:02,550 --> 00:45:05,678
Everyone is either making love
535
00:45:05,786 --> 00:45:09,119
or else expecting rain
536
00:45:10,091 --> 00:45:13,720
And the Good Samaritan, he's dressing
537
00:45:13,995 --> 00:45:17,863
He's getting ready for the show
538
00:45:18,366 --> 00:45:22,063
He's going to the carnival tonight
539
00:45:22,170 --> 00:45:25,571
on Desolation Row
540
00:45:26,908 --> 00:45:29,103
- I want to see this person immediately.
- What?
541
00:45:29,210 --> 00:45:30,700
Whoever's gonna shoot me.
542
00:45:32,914 --> 00:45:35,007
How do you find that out, Albert?
543
00:45:39,687 --> 00:45:42,019
Phoned the box office
and they say they're gonna shoot me.
544
00:45:42,123 --> 00:45:43,317
Do they do this often?
545
00:45:44,859 --> 00:45:48,727
I don't mind being shot, man,
but I don't dig being told about it.
546
00:45:50,765 --> 00:45:52,426
Man, I can't believe that.
547
00:45:52,567 --> 00:45:56,264
- Don't worry, Mickey. I'll protect you.
- I hope so.
548
00:45:56,470 --> 00:45:57,470
God.
549
00:46:01,309 --> 00:46:04,710
Don't tell me not to push too hard, man.
I'm worried about getting shot.
550
00:46:04,812 --> 00:46:06,609
I'm not gonna push too hard.
551
00:46:22,196 --> 00:46:24,756
Obviously, he was channeling
Woody Guthrie.
552
00:46:24,865 --> 00:46:27,459
He was literally channeling him
and everything about him.
553
00:46:27,568 --> 00:46:30,799
And I think it was part of his way
of finding who he was in the end...
554
00:46:32,039 --> 00:46:34,906
by imitating and assimilating Woody Guthrie.
555
00:46:38,579 --> 00:46:42,913
So I found out where Woody Guthrie was,
and I took a bus out to Morristown.
556
00:46:43,017 --> 00:46:45,485
Basically, I think it was an insane asylum.
557
00:46:45,586 --> 00:46:48,987
I thought about it later, it was a sad thing,
they put him in a mental home...
558
00:46:49,090 --> 00:46:50,955
because he just had the jitters.
559
00:46:56,864 --> 00:46:59,662
He asked for certain songs
and I'd play them.
560
00:47:00,901 --> 00:47:04,359
I was young and impressionable
and I think I must have been shocked...
561
00:47:04,472 --> 00:47:07,635
in some kind of way
to find him where I found him.
562
00:47:23,088 --> 00:47:26,546
Brother John Sellers, he was the
master of ceremonies at Gerde's Folk City.
563
00:47:26,892 --> 00:47:30,692
And there was one night called
Hootenanny Night where anybody could play.
564
00:47:52,117 --> 00:47:53,982
We'd go down there every Monday night.
565
00:47:55,554 --> 00:47:58,717
Peter LaFarge, who was
sort of a cowboy/Indian...
566
00:47:58,824 --> 00:48:00,689
and Cisco Houston.
567
00:48:00,792 --> 00:48:03,955
A lot of the old Woody Guthrie crowd
was still hanging out there.
568
00:48:09,534 --> 00:48:14,198
We just watched and we picked out
the performers that were doing it for real...
569
00:48:14,306 --> 00:48:18,402
and tried to pick up what the essence
of what they were doing was.
570
00:48:18,910 --> 00:48:22,812
All of us were interested in seeing
what the other guy was doing onstage...
571
00:48:22,914 --> 00:48:25,041
because there was
a lot more to be learned...
572
00:48:25,150 --> 00:48:28,142
than just songs or picking styles.
573
00:48:37,295 --> 00:48:39,786
Dave Van Ronk,
he had that big gruff thing...
574
00:48:39,898 --> 00:48:44,164
but he had this very sweet, sensitive thing
going on at the same time.
575
00:48:44,269 --> 00:48:46,533
He was a dichotomy of a performer.
576
00:48:52,110 --> 00:48:54,510
He could take the essence of the song...
577
00:48:54,613 --> 00:48:57,707
and only go after that,
not go after the frills.
578
00:48:58,383 --> 00:49:01,250
On Monday nights,
Bob Dylan used to come over there...
579
00:49:01,353 --> 00:49:03,253
and he would always, like...
580
00:49:03,355 --> 00:49:06,756
He was always just hanging around.
581
00:49:06,858 --> 00:49:09,952
Sometimes you wanted to say, "Go away."
582
00:49:40,158 --> 00:49:42,251
Liam was profound.
583
00:49:43,695 --> 00:49:46,129
Besides all of his rebel songs...
584
00:49:47,032 --> 00:49:49,762
and his acting career,
he would have these incredible sayings.
585
00:49:49,868 --> 00:49:54,168
Like once he said to me
after about 30 pints of Guinness...
586
00:49:54,272 --> 00:49:57,207
he was saying, "Remember, Bob, no fear...
587
00:49:57,809 --> 00:49:59,709
"no envy, no meanness."
588
00:50:01,179 --> 00:50:03,374
I said, "Right."
589
00:50:38,350 --> 00:50:41,877
What I heard in the Clancy Brothers
was rousing, rebel songs...
590
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:44,811
Napoleonic in scope.
591
00:50:45,423 --> 00:50:48,654
And they were just these
Musketeer-type characters.
592
00:50:48,893 --> 00:50:53,421
And then on the other level you had
the romantic ballads that would just...
593
00:50:53,932 --> 00:50:58,801
slay you right in your tracks,
the sweetness of Tommy Makem and Liam.
594
00:50:59,170 --> 00:51:02,697
It was just like, take a sword,
cut off your head, and then weep.
595
00:51:03,508 --> 00:51:05,999
That's sort of what they were about.
596
00:51:39,177 --> 00:51:41,771
All the great performers that I'd seen...
597
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,576
who I wanted to be like
were those kind of performers...
598
00:51:44,682 --> 00:51:46,115
they all had one thing in common.;
599
00:51:46,217 --> 00:51:50,745
It was in their eyes.
600
00:51:51,156 --> 00:51:53,386
Now, there was something in their eyes
that would say:
601
00:51:53,491 --> 00:51:56,892
"I know something you don't know,"
and I wanted to be that kind of performer.
602
00:52:13,044 --> 00:52:16,343
I am a man of constant sorrow
603
00:52:16,448 --> 00:52:20,248
I've seen trouble all my days
604
00:52:25,623 --> 00:52:29,457
I'll say goodbye to Colorado
605
00:52:29,861 --> 00:52:33,729
Where I was born and partly raised
606
00:52:52,450 --> 00:52:56,944
Through this open world
I'm a-bound to ramble
607
00:52:57,355 --> 00:53:01,155
Through ice and snow, sleet and rain
608
00:53:05,763 --> 00:53:09,563
I'm a-bound to ride that morning railroad
609
00:53:09,667 --> 00:53:13,694
Perhaps I'll die upon that train
610
00:53:33,825 --> 00:53:37,317
He was playing at some party or something
and it was like a whole different guy.
611
00:53:37,428 --> 00:53:39,225
You hear those stories
about the blues men...
612
00:53:39,330 --> 00:53:42,197
who go out to the crossroads
and sell their soul to the devil...
613
00:53:42,300 --> 00:53:44,359
and come back,
all of a sudden able to do stuff...
614
00:53:44,469 --> 00:53:47,700
Robert Johnson, Tommy Johnson,
that whole mythology.
615
00:53:47,805 --> 00:53:50,103
It was one of those kind of deals, almost.
616
00:53:50,208 --> 00:53:52,574
When he left Minneapolis
he was just average.
617
00:53:52,677 --> 00:53:55,544
There was five, six other guys
doing the same thing.
618
00:53:55,647 --> 00:53:57,615
When he came back he was doing Woody...
619
00:53:57,715 --> 00:54:00,343
and he was doing Van Ronk
and he was fingerpicking.
620
00:54:00,451 --> 00:54:03,648
He was playing cross harp,
and this is a matter of a couple of months.
621
00:54:03,755 --> 00:54:06,656
I mean, this is not like
he was gone a year or anything.
622
00:54:06,758 --> 00:54:09,921
He was gone a couple of months
and apparently whatever he got into...
623
00:54:10,028 --> 00:54:14,021
he got into so intensely that
he was like a real interesting performer.
624
00:54:14,732 --> 00:54:17,860
That's when I went to the crossroads
and made a big deal.
625
00:54:18,136 --> 00:54:19,728
You know, like...
626
00:54:22,340 --> 00:54:26,504
One night and then
went back to Minneapolis...
627
00:54:26,611 --> 00:54:29,409
and it was like, "Hey, where's this guy been?
628
00:54:30,515 --> 00:54:32,813
"You've been to the crossroads."
629
00:54:46,698 --> 00:54:48,359
I wasn't seeing Woody Guthrie anymore.
630
00:54:48,466 --> 00:54:50,106
I was still singing a lot of his songs...
631
00:54:50,168 --> 00:54:53,331
but I'd replaced them with
a lot of the other songs, all of a sudden.
632
00:54:53,438 --> 00:54:55,804
I kind of went through Woody Guthrie
in a kind of way.
633
00:54:55,907 --> 00:54:57,987
But I didn't really want
to go through Woody Guthrie.
634
00:54:58,042 --> 00:55:01,705
I didn't want to feel that
it was something just negligible.
635
00:55:01,813 --> 00:55:05,476
Hey, hey, Woody Guthrie,
I wrote you a song
636
00:55:08,286 --> 00:55:12,052
About a funny ol' world that's a-coming
along
637
00:55:14,826 --> 00:55:19,490
Seems sick and it's hungry,
it's tired and it's torn
638
00:55:21,733 --> 00:55:26,261
It looks like it's a-dyin'
639
00:55:26,371 --> 00:55:28,566
and it's hardly been born
640
00:55:28,806 --> 00:55:33,709
But I really cared, I really wanted to
portray my gratitude in some kind of way.
641
00:55:34,045 --> 00:55:37,674
But I knew that I was not gonna be
going back to Greystone anymore.
642
00:55:39,917 --> 00:55:44,445
I felt like I had to write that song. I did
not consider myself a songwriter at all.
643
00:55:44,789 --> 00:55:49,488
But I needed to write that
and I needed to sing it.
644
00:55:50,695 --> 00:55:53,095
So that's why I needed to write it.
645
00:55:53,197 --> 00:55:57,065
'Cause it hadn't been written and that's what
I needed to say, I needed to say that.
646
00:55:57,168 --> 00:56:01,161
Here's to Cisco and Sonny
and Lead Belly, too
647
00:56:04,042 --> 00:56:08,138
And to all the good people
that traveled with you
648
00:56:11,015 --> 00:56:14,746
Here's to the hearts
and the hands of the men
649
00:56:17,455 --> 00:56:21,983
that come with the dust
650
00:56:22,093 --> 00:56:24,527
and are gone with the wind
651
00:56:25,663 --> 00:56:26,857
So this guy comes in.
652
00:56:26,964 --> 00:56:31,594
He didn't look too prepossessing.
He didn't look too interesting to me.
653
00:56:31,703 --> 00:56:33,864
He didn't look wild or...
654
00:56:34,238 --> 00:56:37,002
He looked like an ordinary kid.
655
00:56:37,842 --> 00:56:40,572
He didn't have the commanding presence.
656
00:56:41,446 --> 00:56:45,746
And he said, "Listen, I got some songs
I wanted you to hear."
657
00:56:45,883 --> 00:56:47,942
So I was, "Oh, God.
Can you come tomorrow?"
658
00:56:48,052 --> 00:56:50,850
I says, "Get out of here."
He says, "No, I want to sing you a song."
659
00:56:50,955 --> 00:56:53,219
So I let him sing the song,
then I kick him out...
660
00:56:53,324 --> 00:56:55,349
then he comes back, then he came back.
661
00:56:55,460 --> 00:56:59,362
And then I started pointing to people, I said,
"Listen, see that guy in the back room?
662
00:56:59,464 --> 00:57:01,728
"His name is Bob Dylan.
You should listen to him.
663
00:57:01,833 --> 00:57:03,713
"The guy's writing good songs.
He's terrific."
664
00:57:04,535 --> 00:57:06,469
He told me he never knew
the word folk music...
665
00:57:06,571 --> 00:57:08,611
before he came to New York City.
What bullshit, God!
666
00:57:10,241 --> 00:57:13,281
And he'd never seen somebody playing
a banjo before he came to New York City.
667
00:57:13,311 --> 00:57:15,973
He'd never seen all these things
before he came to New York City.
668
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:18,708
It opened his eyes up wide
to what folk music is...
669
00:57:18,816 --> 00:57:21,216
after having lived on the Mississippi River
and everything.
670
00:57:21,319 --> 00:57:25,881
"I was born in Duluth, Minnesota, in 1941.
Moved to Gallup, New Mexico.
671
00:57:26,023 --> 00:57:27,718
"Then, until now...
672
00:57:28,926 --> 00:57:32,828
"lived in Iowa, South Dakota, Kansas,
North Dakota, for a little bit.
673
00:57:33,164 --> 00:57:37,260
"Started playing in carnivals
when I was 14 with guitar and piano."
674
00:57:37,368 --> 00:57:39,802
"Arvella Gray taught him blues songs...
675
00:57:39,904 --> 00:57:42,771
"a blind street singer from Chicago,
about four or five years ago.
676
00:57:42,874 --> 00:57:46,640
"Used to know a guy named
Mance Lipscomb, from Navasota, Texas.
677
00:57:46,744 --> 00:57:50,510
"Listened to him a lot. Met him
through his grandson, a rock 'n' roller."
678
00:57:50,615 --> 00:57:53,948
Now, listened to Arvella Gray in Chicago...
679
00:57:54,051 --> 00:57:55,848
Mance Lipscomb in Texas...
680
00:57:55,953 --> 00:57:58,615
I should have figured out right away,
he's bullshitting me.
681
00:57:58,723 --> 00:58:00,987
And I only found out later...
682
00:58:01,325 --> 00:58:04,385
that he had borrowed 400 records
from Tony Glover...
683
00:58:04,495 --> 00:58:07,794
or something like that,
which he still hasn't returned.
684
00:58:07,899 --> 00:58:09,890
And things like that.
685
00:58:10,368 --> 00:58:14,099
So I was a setup, a very easy setup,
and I'm proud of it.
686
00:58:14,205 --> 00:58:17,174
Because the guy wrote good songs.
I didn't care what he was telling me.
687
00:58:17,408 --> 00:58:19,569
I saw it advertised one day
688
00:58:19,677 --> 00:58:22,111
A Bear Mountain picnic was comin' my way
689
00:58:22,213 --> 00:58:24,306
Come along with us and take a trip
690
00:58:24,415 --> 00:58:27,145
We'll transport you up there on a ship
691
00:58:27,718 --> 00:58:30,050
Bring the wife and kids
692
00:58:31,055 --> 00:58:32,420
Fun for all
693
00:58:33,624 --> 00:58:34,624
Yippee
694
00:58:36,461 --> 00:58:39,089
The owner of the place
finally gave me a two-week run.
695
00:58:40,865 --> 00:58:42,423
He had me open for John Lee Hooker.
696
00:58:42,533 --> 00:58:44,797
Well, it don't seem to me quite so funny
697
00:58:44,902 --> 00:58:48,201
What some of these people
are gonna do for money
698
00:58:48,306 --> 00:58:50,934
There's a brand new gimmick every day
699
00:58:51,042 --> 00:58:53,101
Just to take somebody's money away
700
00:58:53,211 --> 00:58:55,839
I didn't really feel like
I was making a step forward anywhere.
701
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:58,742
Things were taking its natural course.
702
00:59:00,384 --> 00:59:02,352
Now, November 4,
Bob Dylan will be singing.
703
00:59:03,855 --> 00:59:06,050
And that should be a very eventful occasion.
704
00:59:06,157 --> 00:59:08,022
Bob was born in Duluth, Minnesota...
705
00:59:08,125 --> 00:59:10,821
but, Bob, you weren't raised
in Duluth, were you?
706
00:59:10,928 --> 00:59:13,863
I was raised in Gallup, New Mexico.
707
00:59:13,998 --> 00:59:15,761
And did you get many songs there?
708
00:59:15,867 --> 00:59:18,267
Got a lot of cowboy songs there.
Indian songs.
709
00:59:18,369 --> 00:59:20,633
Well, I'm gonna get you, Sally gal
710
00:59:20,738 --> 00:59:22,638
I'm gonna get you, Sally gal
711
00:59:22,740 --> 00:59:24,765
I'm gonna get you, Sally gal
712
00:59:24,876 --> 00:59:26,639
I'm gonna get you, Sally gal
713
00:59:26,744 --> 00:59:30,578
I didn't start to have any ambition
until I started working more and more.
714
00:59:30,681 --> 00:59:34,640
I wondered how people recorded.
I wondered how you get to do that.
715
00:59:34,752 --> 00:59:38,483
There were always talent scouts
in the clubs.
716
00:59:38,589 --> 00:59:41,752
No one had ever spoken to me directly
about making any records...
717
00:59:41,859 --> 00:59:43,884
so I just assumed they'd passed on me.
718
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:52,128
The most important new vocal personality
of recent years.;
719
00:59:53,137 --> 00:59:57,836
Johnny Mathis, who vaulted over
a Columbia microphone to stardom.
720
01:00:02,179 --> 01:00:05,774
I always looked for songs that had
a kind of excellence, lasting quality...
721
01:00:05,883 --> 01:00:09,876
and artists who produced
a beautiful sound with their voice.
722
01:00:10,054 --> 01:00:13,820
From 1953, I was a head of A&R
at Columbia.
723
01:00:32,476 --> 01:00:33,943
That was the sound of the day.
724
01:00:34,045 --> 01:00:37,947
People would want to hear
a beautiful voice sing a melodic song.
725
01:00:38,115 --> 01:00:40,276
- John, are you gonna do one, or was I?
- You will.
726
01:00:40,384 --> 01:00:43,820
Okay. I'll do Man of Constant Sorrow
then with the autoharp.
727
01:00:57,101 --> 01:00:58,534
We recorded for Folkways.
728
01:00:58,636 --> 01:01:01,833
We lived in the clear, pure light
of non-commercial...
729
01:01:01,939 --> 01:01:04,533
long-playing, short-selling records
for Folkways.
730
01:01:04,642 --> 01:01:07,907
I learned it from a record that was made
down in the Southern mountains...
731
01:01:08,012 --> 01:01:09,809
in the late 1920s.
732
01:01:09,914 --> 01:01:13,645
We also seemed to represent
some idea about, excuse the expression...
733
01:01:13,751 --> 01:01:17,687
integrity, or standing for something
authentic or real in music.
734
01:01:25,196 --> 01:01:27,426
We were always pointing
to other people's music...
735
01:01:27,531 --> 01:01:31,160
pointing to old singers,
Appalachian singers, blues singers.
736
01:01:31,402 --> 01:01:33,962
I think we were set up as a...
737
01:01:35,906 --> 01:01:36,998
pillar of virtue.
738
01:01:49,420 --> 01:01:52,150
The folksinging scene
was either commercial folksinging...
739
01:01:52,256 --> 01:01:56,420
for like a college kind of crowd:
Harry Belafonte, Brothers Four...
740
01:01:56,527 --> 01:02:00,554
that commercial... They had records
that were on the pop charts.
741
01:02:01,232 --> 01:02:04,224
And then there was the other side,
which was intellectual.
742
01:02:04,335 --> 01:02:07,361
People would just sit there,
you know, I think...
743
01:02:08,239 --> 01:02:12,335
And playing in the environment
that I was playing in...
744
01:02:12,643 --> 01:02:14,076
was neither of those.
745
01:02:14,512 --> 01:02:18,414
I took him up to Folkways Records and
that's written about in my notebook here...
746
01:02:18,516 --> 01:02:20,984
where they treated him like shit.
They wouldn't talk to him.
747
01:02:21,085 --> 01:02:23,610
And he writes, "God,
I thought I came into the wrong place."
748
01:02:23,721 --> 01:02:26,281
Sing Out on the door,
"Folkways" on the door...
749
01:02:26,390 --> 01:02:29,518
Moe Asch, Irwin Silber, rejects him,
throw him out on the street.
750
01:02:29,627 --> 01:02:32,027
And he really felt bad about it
and I felt bad about it...
751
01:02:32,129 --> 01:02:35,462
'cause I don't push people every day.
I've only pushed two people in my life.
752
01:02:35,566 --> 01:02:40,367
I take him up to Maynard Solomon,
at Vanguard Records.
753
01:02:41,405 --> 01:02:43,100
And they say no.
754
01:02:43,641 --> 01:02:47,338
And many years later I said,
"Why did you say no to him?"
755
01:02:47,611 --> 01:02:51,069
And he said, "Well, Izzy, we don't
record freaks at Vanguard Records."
756
01:02:51,182 --> 01:02:53,878
I said, "I see. Joan Baez, not a freak.
757
01:02:53,984 --> 01:02:56,612
"The other people not...
Nobody's a freak, just Bob Dylan."
758
01:02:56,887 --> 01:02:59,082
I was standing in the audience
with Maynard Solomon.
759
01:02:59,190 --> 01:03:02,182
Maynard says, "What do you think of him?"
I said, "That's good!"
760
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:05,730
I said, "What do you think of him?"
He says, "It's too visceral."
761
01:03:45,603 --> 01:03:49,403
John discovered Billie Holiday,
Blind Boy Fuller, Lena Horne...
762
01:03:49,507 --> 01:03:50,838
Count Basie.
763
01:03:50,941 --> 01:03:55,139
Yeah, he was kind of like a Damon Runyon
character. Is that the word?
764
01:03:55,246 --> 01:03:58,272
One of these old Broadway guys,
buzz-cut haircut.
765
01:03:58,382 --> 01:04:01,317
He was very special in a lot of ways.
He was very enthusiastic.
766
01:04:01,418 --> 01:04:04,512
He had great love of music,
and it just radiated out of him.
767
01:04:04,622 --> 01:04:07,455
When I met him, a review had
just come out of The New York Times...
768
01:04:07,558 --> 01:04:10,026
of the set I'd played at Gerde's
the previous night.
769
01:04:10,127 --> 01:04:12,857
Hammond had seen the article
and asked me right then and there...
770
01:04:12,963 --> 01:04:15,830
whether I wanted to record
for Columbia Records.
771
01:04:15,933 --> 01:04:20,495
I thought it was almost unreal.
I mean, no one would think that...
772
01:04:21,639 --> 01:04:25,075
this kind of folk music would be
recorded on Columbia Records.
773
01:04:25,342 --> 01:04:27,970
John called me in my office at Columbia.
774
01:04:28,078 --> 01:04:30,376
He says, "Come on down,
I want you to hear something."
775
01:04:30,481 --> 01:04:32,915
He didn't tell me who it was or anything.
I come down.
776
01:04:33,017 --> 01:04:37,283
There's this kid, all dressed up,
with the boots and the suede jacket...
777
01:04:37,388 --> 01:04:38,855
and he had the harmonica on.
778
01:04:38,956 --> 01:04:42,448
And he was singing
in this, you know, rough-edged voice.
779
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:46,657
I will admit I didn't see
the greatness of it.
780
01:04:46,764 --> 01:04:48,959
They recorded the popular hits of the day...
781
01:04:49,066 --> 01:04:51,830
of people usually
with beautiful tones of voices...
782
01:04:51,936 --> 01:04:56,270
and great arrangements.
783
01:04:57,641 --> 01:05:01,270
I don't know what they thought
of my stuff up there.
784
01:05:01,378 --> 01:05:05,781
He has no voice, I mean
he doesn't produce a beautiful sound.
785
01:05:05,883 --> 01:05:10,513
I was used to finding guys
like Bennett and Damone and Mathis.
786
01:05:10,621 --> 01:05:14,853
But when somebody like John Hammond
is so confident of somebody's talent...
787
01:05:14,959 --> 01:05:19,089
you have to respect that,
for no other reason than his track record.
788
01:05:19,663 --> 01:05:21,927
I didn't tell anybody for a bit...
789
01:05:22,032 --> 01:05:25,331
because I almost wasn't sure
it was happening myself.
790
01:05:28,939 --> 01:05:32,306
I don't think I really told anybody
until I actually...
791
01:05:33,677 --> 01:05:35,167
went through with the sessions.
792
01:05:36,046 --> 01:05:38,480
I first heard this from Rick Von Schmidt.
793
01:05:40,818 --> 01:05:42,683
He lives in Cambridge.
794
01:05:43,053 --> 01:05:45,578
I met him one day in...
795
01:05:46,857 --> 01:05:49,724
the green pastures of Harvard University.
796
01:05:50,561 --> 01:05:53,758
I have a habit I picked up
someplace along the way.
797
01:05:53,931 --> 01:05:58,061
Whatever works for me,
not to give that away...
798
01:05:59,303 --> 01:06:00,770
so easily, you know.
799
01:06:01,338 --> 01:06:03,863
Baby, let me follow you down
800
01:06:04,842 --> 01:06:07,504
Baby, let me follow you down
801
01:06:07,912 --> 01:06:11,439
Well, I'll do anything
in this God almighty world
802
01:06:11,548 --> 01:06:14,108
If you just let me follow you down
803
01:06:14,285 --> 01:06:16,515
When I did make that first record...
804
01:06:17,388 --> 01:06:21,950
I used songs which I just knew
but I hadn't really performed them a lot.
805
01:06:22,293 --> 01:06:25,592
I wanted just to record stuff
that was off the top of my head...
806
01:06:25,696 --> 01:06:26,754
and see what would happen.
807
01:06:26,864 --> 01:06:29,890
There is a house
808
01:06:30,234 --> 01:06:32,828
down in New Orleans
809
01:06:34,338 --> 01:06:38,934
They call The Rising Sun
810
01:06:41,545 --> 01:06:45,037
And it's been the ruin
811
01:06:45,382 --> 01:06:48,112
of many a poor girl
812
01:06:49,119 --> 01:06:53,783
And me, oh, God, I'm one
813
01:06:54,191 --> 01:06:56,216
The House of the Rising Sun
is on that record.
814
01:06:56,327 --> 01:06:57,555
I'd never done that song before...
815
01:06:57,661 --> 01:07:00,152
but I heard it every night
'cause Van Ronk would do it.
816
01:07:00,731 --> 01:07:05,464
So I thought he was really on to something
with the song, so I just recorded it.
817
01:07:05,903 --> 01:07:08,394
Bobby picked up the chord changes...
818
01:07:09,673 --> 01:07:12,403
for the song from me.
819
01:07:14,411 --> 01:07:19,110
It really altered the song considerably,
although the lyric was...
820
01:07:20,451 --> 01:07:22,976
pretty much the straight
House of the Rising Sun lyric...
821
01:07:23,087 --> 01:07:24,918
and so was the melody.
822
01:07:26,056 --> 01:07:29,548
And when he was doing,
I guess it was his first album...
823
01:07:31,195 --> 01:07:34,756
he asked me if I would mind...
824
01:07:34,865 --> 01:07:38,323
if he recorded my version
of House of the Rising Sun.
825
01:07:40,037 --> 01:07:43,495
And I had some plans to record it.
826
01:07:43,607 --> 01:07:46,770
So I said, "Well, gee, Bob,
I'd rather you didn't...
827
01:07:46,877 --> 01:07:49,710
"because I'm gonna record it myself soon."
828
01:07:50,247 --> 01:07:52,147
And Bobby said, "Oh-oh."
829
01:07:55,119 --> 01:07:58,555
The mystery of being in a recording studio
did something to me...
830
01:07:58,655 --> 01:08:00,247
and those are the songs that came out.
831
01:08:00,357 --> 01:08:02,917
Now the only thing
832
01:08:03,761 --> 01:08:06,229
a gambler needs
833
01:08:07,731 --> 01:08:11,997
is a suitcase and a trunk
834
01:08:14,538 --> 01:08:17,268
After he recorded it,
I had to stop singing the song...
835
01:08:17,374 --> 01:08:19,740
because people were constantly...
836
01:08:22,346 --> 01:08:25,804
accusing me of having got the song
from Bobby's record.
837
01:08:26,483 --> 01:08:30,749
Now that was very, very annoying.
838
01:08:31,288 --> 01:08:34,280
But I couldn't blame that on him
and I didn't.
839
01:08:34,892 --> 01:08:36,587
The whole thing was a tempest in a teapot.
840
01:08:36,693 --> 01:08:41,562
Later on, when Eric Burdon and the Animals
picked the song up from Bobby...
841
01:08:42,533 --> 01:08:45,696
and recorded it, Bobby told me
that he had had to drop the song...
842
01:08:45,803 --> 01:08:49,466
because everybody was accusing him
of ripping it off of Eric Burdon!
843
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:52,435
Feelin' funny in my mind, Lord
844
01:08:52,543 --> 01:08:54,704
I believe I'm fixin' to die
845
01:08:54,812 --> 01:08:58,873
When I got the disk, I played it
and I was highly disturbed.
846
01:08:59,116 --> 01:09:02,608
I just wanted to cross this record out
and make another record immediately.
847
01:09:02,719 --> 01:09:04,846
I thought I'd recorded the wrong songs...
848
01:09:04,955 --> 01:09:08,789
and I'd already written a few of my own,
that I thought maybe...
849
01:09:08,892 --> 01:09:11,156
I should have stuck on there.
I was way past that record.
850
01:09:11,261 --> 01:09:12,660
Or part of me was just saying...
851
01:09:12,763 --> 01:09:15,789
that I didn't want to record
that record anyway, that I just did it...
852
01:09:15,899 --> 01:09:19,335
I didn't want to give away
anything that was really...
853
01:09:23,140 --> 01:09:24,801
dear to me or something.
854
01:09:24,908 --> 01:09:28,344
When Bobby signed with Columbia,
it was big news on the street.
855
01:09:28,445 --> 01:09:30,242
Everybody wanted that.
856
01:09:30,347 --> 01:09:33,646
People couldn't bring themselves to admit...
857
01:09:35,085 --> 01:09:37,553
that they were that hungry.
858
01:09:38,956 --> 01:09:43,450
They turned it into a moral issue.
They had to.
859
01:09:44,328 --> 01:09:46,888
Because otherwise
they were going to have to take...
860
01:09:46,997 --> 01:09:50,990
long looks at themselves
and might not like what they saw.
861
01:09:57,241 --> 01:09:58,241
Play.
862
01:09:59,109 --> 01:10:02,408
Baby, let me follow you down
863
01:10:02,713 --> 01:10:05,273
Baby, let me follow you down
864
01:10:05,782 --> 01:10:09,274
Well, I'd do anything
in this God almighty world
865
01:10:09,386 --> 01:10:12,753
If you just let me follow you down
866
01:10:27,070 --> 01:10:30,267
I'll buy you a diamond ring
867
01:10:30,674 --> 01:10:33,541
Yes, I'll buy you a wedding gown
868
01:10:34,111 --> 01:10:37,740
I'll do anything in this God almighty world
869
01:10:37,848 --> 01:10:40,783
If you just let me follow you down
870
01:10:54,932 --> 01:10:58,163
Yes, I'd do anything
in this God almighty world
871
01:10:58,268 --> 01:11:01,101
If you just let me follow you down
872
01:11:03,507 --> 01:11:06,499
To think that entertainers
always have to be happy and funny...
873
01:11:06,610 --> 01:11:08,669
is kind of a shallow thing.
874
01:11:08,779 --> 01:11:13,045
In fact, I've often remembered
one of Bob's quotes is:
875
01:11:13,150 --> 01:11:16,483
"Happy? Anybody can be happy.
What's the purpose of that?"
876
01:11:18,589 --> 01:11:22,116
The original Mexican name was
La Feria de las Flores...
877
01:11:23,327 --> 01:11:25,124
The Festival of Flowers.
878
01:11:37,507 --> 01:11:40,772
The moment I became acquainted
with old songs...
879
01:11:40,877 --> 01:11:43,573
I realized people
were always changing them.
880
01:11:47,651 --> 01:11:52,486
Think of it as an age-old process.
It's been going on for thousands of years.
881
01:11:52,589 --> 01:11:57,117
People take old songs,
change them a little...
882
01:11:57,694 --> 01:12:02,154
add to them, adapt them for new people.
It happens in every other field.
883
01:12:02,266 --> 01:12:04,996
Lawyers change old laws to fit new citizens.
884
01:12:05,769 --> 01:12:10,263
So I'm one in this long chain
and so are millions of other musicians.
885
01:12:10,707 --> 01:12:14,199
And Woody stepped right in that.
He was always making up verses...
886
01:12:14,311 --> 01:12:16,802
songs about real life,
real people, real events.
887
01:12:16,913 --> 01:12:19,233
The idea is that you make up
a song about something real...
888
01:12:20,550 --> 01:12:22,310
don't expect that it'll ever make any money.
889
01:12:22,386 --> 01:12:26,948
It may never be heard by more than a few
dozen people, but who knows? Who knows?
890
01:12:28,925 --> 01:12:31,621
And I look upon us all as Woody's children.
891
01:12:31,762 --> 01:12:34,230
Bob Dylan is... Well, you must be
20 years old now, I assume.
892
01:12:34,331 --> 01:12:37,494
Yeah, I must be 20.
893
01:12:37,601 --> 01:12:39,899
- Are you?
- Yeah, I'm 20.
894
01:12:40,003 --> 01:12:42,836
Tell me about the songs that
you've written yourself that you sing.
895
01:12:42,939 --> 01:12:45,066
I don't claim to call them
folk songs or anything.
896
01:12:45,175 --> 01:12:46,642
I just call them contemporary songs.
897
01:12:46,743 --> 01:12:49,211
Come you ladies and you gentlemen,
a-listen to my song
898
01:12:49,313 --> 01:12:51,406
Sing it to you right,
but you might think it's wrong
899
01:12:51,515 --> 01:12:53,312
Just a little glimpse of a story I'll tell
900
01:12:53,417 --> 01:12:55,783
'Bout an East Coast city
that you all know well
901
01:12:55,886 --> 01:12:57,945
It's hard times from the country
902
01:12:58,055 --> 01:12:59,920
Livin' down in New York town
903
01:13:00,023 --> 01:13:03,186
Come you ladies and you gentlemen,
listen to my song
904
01:13:03,293 --> 01:13:06,126
The traditional songs gave us ideas...
905
01:13:06,229 --> 01:13:09,858
and attitudes about life
that you could borrow from...
906
01:13:09,966 --> 01:13:11,558
that you could build your songs on.
907
01:13:11,668 --> 01:13:15,434
I will not go down under the ground
908
01:13:16,740 --> 01:13:20,608
'Cause somebody tells me
that death's comin' round
909
01:13:20,711 --> 01:13:22,406
I wrote them anywhere I was.
910
01:13:22,512 --> 01:13:26,346
You could write them on the subway
or in a café or wherever.
911
01:13:26,783 --> 01:13:29,775
You could write them
talking to somebody else...
912
01:13:29,986 --> 01:13:32,750
and be scribbling down a song.
913
01:13:32,856 --> 01:13:36,223
Let me die in my footsteps
914
01:13:37,127 --> 01:13:40,756
Before I go down under the ground
915
01:13:42,399 --> 01:13:45,926
The first time I think I ever saw him
perform a topical song, he was singing...
916
01:13:46,036 --> 01:13:49,995
"Let me die with my boots on,
before I go under the ground."
917
01:13:50,107 --> 01:13:52,405
And that was a real feeling
in New York at that time.
918
01:13:52,509 --> 01:13:54,272
People were building
bomb shelters everywhere...
919
01:13:54,378 --> 01:13:57,347
and that we'll live out our lives
in preparation for that kind of crap.
920
01:13:57,447 --> 01:13:59,574
And here we were
in the middle of Greenwich Village...
921
01:13:59,683 --> 01:14:02,345
like a little pus pimple
in the middle of this huge society...
922
01:14:02,452 --> 01:14:04,249
saying, "This has gotta go.
923
01:14:04,354 --> 01:14:07,619
"We don't... I don't agree with that.
I'm not gonna live my life that way."
924
01:14:15,632 --> 01:14:20,160
No more auction block for me
925
01:14:21,304 --> 01:14:25,468
I was working at CORE
and that was an incredible time.
926
01:14:25,575 --> 01:14:27,856
A call would come in,
and people would say, "Oh, my God...
927
01:14:27,944 --> 01:14:31,380
"so-and-so was beaten to a pulp
and so-and-so's in the hospital. "
928
01:14:31,481 --> 01:14:34,245
These were traumatic times to live through.
929
01:14:34,351 --> 01:14:37,980
And just the way I felt
was the insane... It was insane.
930
01:14:38,088 --> 01:14:40,249
Why should this be happening?
931
01:14:40,357 --> 01:14:44,316
And I'm sure Bob had that same thing.
You just can't live through this.
932
01:14:44,428 --> 01:14:47,192
You live in your own little world
and your own interests...
933
01:14:47,297 --> 01:14:49,128
but the outer world is definitely part of it.
934
01:14:49,566 --> 01:14:53,798
How many roads must a man walk down
935
01:14:54,805 --> 01:14:58,206
before you call him a man?
936
01:14:59,376 --> 01:15:04,177
Yes, and how many seas
must a white dove sail
937
01:15:05,315 --> 01:15:08,682
before she sleeps in the sand?
938
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:14,653
Yes, and how many times
must the cannonballs fly
939
01:15:15,892 --> 01:15:19,419
before they're forever banned?
940
01:15:20,764 --> 01:15:25,394
The answer, my friend,
is blowin' in the wind
941
01:15:26,069 --> 01:15:29,368
The answer is blowin' in the wind
942
01:15:30,540 --> 01:15:34,738
I didn't really know if that song
was good or bad or... It felt right.
943
01:15:35,178 --> 01:15:38,170
But I didn't really know...
944
01:15:39,149 --> 01:15:42,084
that it had any kind of
anthemic quality or anything.
945
01:15:42,319 --> 01:15:46,847
How many years must a mountain exist
946
01:15:47,691 --> 01:15:50,717
before it is washed to the sea?
947
01:15:50,827 --> 01:15:53,455
I wrote the songs to perform the songs.
948
01:15:53,563 --> 01:15:57,499
And I needed to sing, like, in that language.
949
01:16:00,003 --> 01:16:02,494
Which is a language
that I hadn't heard before.
950
01:16:02,606 --> 01:16:06,804
The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the
wind
951
01:16:07,744 --> 01:16:11,407
The answer is blowin' in the wind
952
01:16:16,019 --> 01:16:18,112
How could he write.;
953
01:16:19,089 --> 01:16:22,889
"How many roads must a man walk down
before you call him a man?"
954
01:16:22,993 --> 01:16:25,359
This is what my father went through.
955
01:16:25,462 --> 01:16:28,659
He was the one
who wasn't called a man, you know.
956
01:16:29,966 --> 01:16:31,797
So, where is he coming from?
957
01:16:33,103 --> 01:16:35,196
White people don't have hard times.
958
01:16:35,305 --> 01:16:38,797
This was my thinking back then,
because I was a kid, too.
959
01:16:39,042 --> 01:16:42,307
What he was writing was inspirational...
960
01:16:42,746 --> 01:16:45,214
you know, they were inspirational songs.
961
01:16:45,315 --> 01:16:49,342
And they would inspire.
It's the same as gospel.
962
01:16:49,452 --> 01:16:50,976
He was writing truth.
963
01:16:51,321 --> 01:16:53,551
By writing good songs...
964
01:16:53,657 --> 01:16:58,390
and writing about contemporary ideas
in traditional forms, which I understood.
965
01:16:59,496 --> 01:17:02,260
And made it like was written today...
966
01:17:02,365 --> 01:17:05,198
but it sounded like it could have been
written 200 years ago, also.
967
01:17:05,302 --> 01:17:08,169
It sounded current and old
at the same time.
968
01:17:08,572 --> 01:17:13,407
So it wasn't just like singing songs
the way Pete Seeger would sing it...
969
01:17:13,510 --> 01:17:16,138
you know, 'cause it's important
that you sing these songs.
970
01:17:16,246 --> 01:17:19,443
He sang songs that affected us.
971
01:17:19,549 --> 01:17:23,349
Well, it ain't no use to sit
and wonder why, babe
972
01:17:25,088 --> 01:17:27,318
If'n you don't know by now
973
01:17:28,625 --> 01:17:32,391
And it ain't no use to sit
and wonder why, babe
974
01:17:34,064 --> 01:17:36,532
It'll never do, somehow
975
01:17:37,367 --> 01:17:41,565
When your rooster crows
at the break of dawn
976
01:17:42,572 --> 01:17:45,973
Look out your window and I'll be gone
977
01:17:46,743 --> 01:17:50,179
You're the reason I'm travelin' on
978
01:17:50,747 --> 01:17:53,807
But don't think twice, it's all right
979
01:17:59,055 --> 01:18:03,321
Neither one of us had a fixed place to live,
we were both a bit nomadic.
980
01:18:03,426 --> 01:18:08,329
So we kind of had
this private little existence, in a way.
981
01:18:10,300 --> 01:18:13,269
I am leading a quiet life
on Lower East Broadway
982
01:18:13,370 --> 01:18:16,362
I was an American
I am an American boy
983
01:18:16,473 --> 01:18:20,569
I read The American Boy magazine
and became a Boy Scout in the suburbs
984
01:18:20,677 --> 01:18:24,875
I thought I was Tom Sawyer,
catching crayfish in the Bronx River
985
01:18:24,981 --> 01:18:26,881
and imagining the Mississippi
986
01:18:26,983 --> 01:18:30,544
I had a baseball mitt
and an American Flyer bike
987
01:18:30,654 --> 01:18:32,349
Everything was meshed up at that time.
988
01:18:32,455 --> 01:18:36,118
Everything was like just
all in like a blender.
989
01:18:36,226 --> 01:18:39,320
Everyone was interested
in whatever was going on.
990
01:18:39,429 --> 01:18:42,626
I stayed at a lot of people's houses
which had poetry books...
991
01:18:42,732 --> 01:18:44,324
and poetry volumes...
992
01:18:44,434 --> 01:18:47,528
and I'd read what I found...
993
01:18:47,937 --> 01:18:51,065
I found Verlaine poems or Rimbaud...
994
01:18:51,174 --> 01:18:53,404
you know, "Drunken Boat," Illuminations.
995
01:18:53,510 --> 01:18:57,241
Whether it was these wild and crazy poets
that were getting up on stage...
996
01:18:57,347 --> 01:19:01,044
or whether it was a musician
playing some riff in a jazz club...
997
01:19:01,151 --> 01:19:04,177
or some bluegrass guy,
some old roots music...
998
01:19:04,688 --> 01:19:09,022
it filters through you, you speak them when
they come out verbally and you play them.
999
01:19:09,125 --> 01:19:13,687
We were doing things totally instinctively.
It was an instinctive awakening.
1000
01:19:13,963 --> 01:19:17,421
Lightning strikes every once in a while,
in a different place.
1001
01:19:17,934 --> 01:19:19,367
Nobody knows why.
1002
01:19:19,469 --> 01:19:21,835
The night of the Cuban Missile Crisis...
1003
01:19:22,072 --> 01:19:26,202
the general feeling was, the world
was gonna end or something like that.
1004
01:19:26,309 --> 01:19:27,544
I mean, it's quite heavy.
1005
01:19:27,610 --> 01:19:30,374
I walked into The Gaslight
and Bob was there.
1006
01:19:31,414 --> 01:19:33,439
Just a few people listening to him sing.
1007
01:19:33,550 --> 01:19:36,246
He said, "Why don't you come up,
we'll sing some songs together.
1008
01:19:36,352 --> 01:19:40,379
"Let's do that old Carter Family song.;
You're Gonna Miss Me When I'm Gone. "
1009
01:19:40,490 --> 01:19:44,051
I was playing the nice Carter Family thing,
and we're singing.
1010
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:47,288
And I'm thinking,
"Who's gonna miss us when we're gone?
1011
01:19:47,397 --> 01:19:49,388
"We're all gonna be gone, you know.
1012
01:19:50,934 --> 01:19:52,231
"What the hell is this?"
1013
01:19:52,535 --> 01:19:56,403
Oh, where have you been,
my blue-eyed son?
1014
01:19:59,409 --> 01:20:03,140
And where have you been,
my darling young one?
1015
01:20:05,915 --> 01:20:10,113
I've stumbled on the side
of twelve misty mountains.
1016
01:20:12,689 --> 01:20:16,819
I've walked and I crawled
on six crooked highways
1017
01:20:19,395 --> 01:20:23,229
I've stepped in the middle
of seven sad forests
1018
01:20:26,069 --> 01:20:30,005
I've been out in front
of a dozen dead oceans
1019
01:20:32,642 --> 01:20:37,102
I've been ten thousand miles
in the mouth of a graveyard
1020
01:20:39,182 --> 01:20:42,948
And it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard
1021
01:20:44,888 --> 01:20:46,788
it's a hard
1022
01:20:46,890 --> 01:20:51,657
It's a hard rain's a-gonna fall.
1023
01:20:54,230 --> 01:20:58,098
When I got back from India,
and got to the West Coast...
1024
01:20:58,201 --> 01:21:00,328
there was a poet, Charlie Plymell...
1025
01:21:02,539 --> 01:21:04,632
at a party in Bolinas...
1026
01:21:04,908 --> 01:21:07,672
played me a record
of this new young folk singer.
1027
01:21:08,444 --> 01:21:09,934
And I heard...
1028
01:21:12,215 --> 01:21:14,115
Hard Rain, I think...
1029
01:21:16,586 --> 01:21:17,814
and wept.
1030
01:21:24,127 --> 01:21:28,257
'Cause it seemed that...
1031
01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:33,198
the torch had been passed...
1032
01:21:34,337 --> 01:21:36,100
to another generation.
1033
01:21:36,206 --> 01:21:40,267
From earlier bohemian or beat...
1034
01:21:41,144 --> 01:21:44,477
illumination and self-empowerment.
1035
01:21:46,616 --> 01:21:50,482
And what'll you do now, my blue-eyed son?
1036
01:21:51,087 --> 01:21:54,750
And what'll you do now,
my darling young one?
1037
01:21:57,393 --> 01:22:01,386
I'm a-going back out
before the rain starts a-fallin'
1038
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:07,832
And I'll head for
the depths of the deepest dark forest
1039
01:22:09,606 --> 01:22:14,043
Where the people are many
and their hands are all empty
1040
01:22:14,978 --> 01:22:19,415
Where the pellets of poison
are flooding their waters
1041
01:22:20,650 --> 01:22:24,711
And I'll tell it, and think it,
and speak it, and breathe it
1042
01:22:26,823 --> 01:22:31,055
And reflect from the mountain
so all souls can see it
1043
01:22:33,029 --> 01:22:37,432
Then I'll stand on the ocean
until I start sinkin'
1044
01:22:39,102 --> 01:22:43,471
But I'll know my song well
before I start singin'
1045
01:22:44,040 --> 01:22:47,203
And it's a hard, and it's a hard
1046
01:22:47,310 --> 01:22:50,711
And it's a hard, and it's a hard
1047
01:22:51,014 --> 01:22:55,883
And it's a hard rain's a-gonna fall
1048
01:22:58,721 --> 01:23:01,952
A very famous saying
among the Tibetan Buddhists:
1049
01:23:02,992 --> 01:23:07,691
"If the student is not better than
the teacher, then the teacher is a failure."
1050
01:23:08,464 --> 01:23:13,231
And I was really knocked out
by the eloquence.
1051
01:23:13,970 --> 01:23:17,929
Particularly, "I'll know my song well
before I start singing."
1052
01:23:18,274 --> 01:23:20,333
And, "Where all souls shall reflect it."
1053
01:23:20,443 --> 01:23:23,173
Or you know, "Stand on the mountain
where everybody can hear."
1054
01:23:23,279 --> 01:23:25,008
It's sort of this biblical prophecy.
1055
01:23:25,615 --> 01:23:29,676
Poetry is words that are empowered
that make your hair stand on end...
1056
01:23:29,919 --> 01:23:34,822
that you recognize instantly
as being some form of subjective truth...
1057
01:23:34,924 --> 01:23:39,054
that has an objective reality to it,
because somebody's realized it.
1058
01:23:39,462 --> 01:23:40,929
Then you call it poetry later.
1059
01:23:41,130 --> 01:23:43,860
Take this one you sang,
this Hard Rain's Gonna Fall.
1060
01:23:45,501 --> 01:23:48,436
Even though it may have come out
of your feelings about atomic rain.
1061
01:23:48,538 --> 01:23:52,907
No, it wasn't atomic rain, no.
Somebody else thought that, too.
1062
01:23:53,076 --> 01:23:54,873
- It's not atomic rain.
- Go ahead.
1063
01:23:54,978 --> 01:23:57,776
- It's just a hard rain. It's not atomic rain.
- Hard rain.
1064
01:23:57,880 --> 01:24:01,941
All your songs are about more
than the actual event...
1065
01:24:02,051 --> 01:24:03,780
that may have caused it.
1066
01:24:03,886 --> 01:24:06,081
- You know what I mean?
- I'm not a topical songwriter.
1067
01:24:06,189 --> 01:24:10,922
- So you're not a topical songwriter.
- No, I don't really even like that word.
1068
01:24:11,027 --> 01:24:14,190
I mean, it's not a song
about a certain event.
1069
01:24:14,297 --> 01:24:16,458
- Yeah, it's not, no.
- It's beyond that.
1070
01:24:16,566 --> 01:24:18,261
The folk idiom is so widespread...
1071
01:24:18,368 --> 01:24:21,235
that you could take any part of it
and rework a song.
1072
01:24:21,337 --> 01:24:23,669
I never thought
I was breaking through anything.
1073
01:24:23,773 --> 01:24:26,640
I was just working with an existing form
that was there.
1074
01:24:26,743 --> 01:24:30,144
I was definitely not inventing anything
that hadn't been tried before...
1075
01:24:30,246 --> 01:24:32,373
some part of the picture, you know.
1076
01:24:54,771 --> 01:24:57,831
You must learn to control yourselves.
Is this on?
1077
01:25:00,376 --> 01:25:01,866
Check. Richard?
1078
01:25:04,981 --> 01:25:08,473
Is this mike on? Richard.
1079
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:19,785
You walk into the room
1080
01:25:22,131 --> 01:25:24,190
With your pencil in your hand
1081
01:25:25,668 --> 01:25:28,034
You see somebody naked
1082
01:25:29,772 --> 01:25:32,002
You say, "Who is that, man?"
1083
01:25:33,876 --> 01:25:36,436
You try so hard
1084
01:25:38,614 --> 01:25:40,809
But you don't understand
1085
01:25:41,918 --> 01:25:46,582
Just what you'll say when you get home
1086
01:25:49,025 --> 01:25:53,519
Yes, because you know
something is happening here
1087
01:25:54,097 --> 01:25:56,793
But you don't know what it is
1088
01:25:58,367 --> 01:25:59,766
Do you
1089
01:26:00,770 --> 01:26:04,001
Mr. Jones?
1090
01:26:07,677 --> 01:26:10,407
You have many contacts
1091
01:26:12,048 --> 01:26:14,209
Out there among the lumberjacks
1092
01:26:15,585 --> 01:26:16,882
To get you facts
1093
01:26:16,986 --> 01:26:20,422
When someone attacks your imagination
1094
01:26:24,494 --> 01:26:27,088
But nobody has any respect
1095
01:26:28,731 --> 01:26:31,291
Anyway, they just expect
1096
01:26:33,069 --> 01:26:35,469
You to take your check
1097
01:26:35,571 --> 01:26:38,563
And give them to tax-deductible
1098
01:26:38,808 --> 01:26:42,767
Charity organization
1099
01:26:49,619 --> 01:26:54,215
Don't boo me anymore. Don't boo me.
God, that booing, I can't stand it.
1100
01:26:54,657 --> 01:26:57,319
Oh, my God.
It's hard to get in tune when they're booing.
1101
01:26:57,426 --> 01:26:59,792
Yeah, I can't get in tune at all
when they're booing.
1102
01:26:59,896 --> 01:27:04,356
I can't hear anything.
I don't even want to get in tune.
1103
01:27:07,270 --> 01:27:10,535
When they yell
in this weird nasal tone from here.
1104
01:27:12,241 --> 01:27:16,337
Jesus, you know, I don't understand
how can they buy the tickets up so fast.
1105
01:27:17,747 --> 01:27:20,716
- I mean, you know. Let's get that light off.
- Turn the light off.
1106
01:27:23,452 --> 01:27:25,784
Bobby Dylan, CBS label, brand new one...
1107
01:27:25,888 --> 01:27:28,652
in the Caroline Countdown of Sound,
lying at number 18.
1108
01:27:28,758 --> 01:27:31,727
Let's Go and Get Stoned.
Not this time of the day, surely.
1109
01:27:35,898 --> 01:27:39,994
Well, they'll stone ya
when you're trying to be so good
1110
01:27:41,470 --> 01:27:45,236
They'll stone ya just a-like
they said they would
1111
01:27:45,775 --> 01:27:49,734
They'll stone ya
when you're tryin' to go home
1112
01:27:51,214 --> 01:27:55,014
They'll stone ya when you're there all alone
1113
01:27:55,818 --> 01:27:59,811
But I would not feel so all alone
1114
01:28:01,023 --> 01:28:04,754
Everybody must get stoned
1115
01:28:04,860 --> 01:28:07,260
Dylan's first albums did not sell.
1116
01:28:08,764 --> 01:28:12,530
I don't think we sold an album per store
in America. I think, 2,500.
1117
01:28:12,635 --> 01:28:15,502
Salespeople, you know, would say,
"This is Hammond's folly. "
1118
01:28:15,605 --> 01:28:19,132
Since he cost so little to record,
let John have his folly.
1119
01:28:20,476 --> 01:28:23,377
On my second album, all of a sudden
people started to take notice...
1120
01:28:23,479 --> 01:28:24,810
that never noticed before.
1121
01:28:24,914 --> 01:28:26,634
Grossman came into the picture
around there.
1122
01:28:27,149 --> 01:28:29,515
He was kind of like
a Col. Tom Parker figure...
1123
01:28:29,619 --> 01:28:32,713
all immaculately dressed,
every time you see him.
1124
01:28:32,822 --> 01:28:34,084
You could smell him coming.
1125
01:28:34,190 --> 01:28:37,318
Al Grossman was
the first successful folk manager...
1126
01:28:37,426 --> 01:28:39,826
who knew how to make money
out of his singers.
1127
01:28:39,929 --> 01:28:41,863
He would own the recording studio...
1128
01:28:41,964 --> 01:28:45,058
he would own the music publishing
company, he would own Bob Dylan.
1129
01:28:45,167 --> 01:28:46,600
He would own Peter, Paul and Mary.
1130
01:28:46,702 --> 01:28:49,500
He would sell a Bob Dylan song
to Peter, Paul and Mary...
1131
01:28:49,605 --> 01:28:53,507
who would sing on a recording in his studio,
which he was getting the rights.
1132
01:28:53,609 --> 01:28:56,476
So he would get a salami...
He had a salami technique going.
1133
01:28:56,579 --> 01:28:59,707
He would get a piece of the action
from six or seven different directions.
1134
01:29:00,149 --> 01:29:02,447
He created Peter, Paul and Mary...
1135
01:29:02,551 --> 01:29:07,454
because he saw people really wanted
a fresh, young group like this...
1136
01:29:07,556 --> 01:29:08,989
that they could relate to.
1137
01:29:09,091 --> 01:29:12,993
He changed Paul's name to Paul, from Noel.
1138
01:29:13,562 --> 01:29:16,861
So it would have that biblical inference.
He was a genius.
1139
01:29:17,433 --> 01:29:19,593
I knew Mary Travers, you know,
of Peter, Paul and Mary.
1140
01:29:19,669 --> 01:29:23,196
I had known her when she was younger.
She used to sing in Washington Square Park.
1141
01:29:23,306 --> 01:29:26,275
And she was a nice person
and very lively teenager.
1142
01:29:26,375 --> 01:29:28,570
One time, in the middle of winter...
1143
01:29:28,678 --> 01:29:31,977
and it was cold on MacDougal Street,
you know, like February...
1144
01:29:33,516 --> 01:29:36,542
I saw her, and I says,
"Where have you been, Mary?"
1145
01:29:36,652 --> 01:29:39,382
She says, "Well, I've been in Florida
for the last couple of..."
1146
01:29:39,488 --> 01:29:41,251
I don't know if it was weeks or months.
1147
01:29:41,357 --> 01:29:44,793
"A man named Albert Grossman
has put me together...
1148
01:29:44,894 --> 01:29:46,794
"with some other guys
from the coffeehouses...
1149
01:29:46,896 --> 01:29:49,797
"and we're trying out a new group there.
1150
01:29:49,899 --> 01:29:51,196
"We're singing."
1151
01:29:51,300 --> 01:29:55,202
And I said, "You mean
you were in Florida all this time?
1152
01:29:55,304 --> 01:29:57,738
"Where's your tan?
Didn't you ever go out in the sun?"
1153
01:29:57,840 --> 01:30:00,274
She says, "No, Albert told me
I shouldn't go out in the sun.
1154
01:30:00,376 --> 01:30:03,402
"That I was supposed to be
the pale, blonde, indoor type."
1155
01:30:03,512 --> 01:30:07,039
And it really made my flesh creep,
to put it truthfully...
1156
01:30:07,149 --> 01:30:10,812
because I was shivering cold in New York...
1157
01:30:10,920 --> 01:30:12,945
and she had the chance
to get out in the sun...
1158
01:30:13,055 --> 01:30:16,456
but that she was being manipulated,
that the whole thing had an image...
1159
01:30:16,559 --> 01:30:18,254
it had a look.
1160
01:30:18,361 --> 01:30:21,296
I just felt that this was a bad sign.
1161
01:30:21,397 --> 01:30:23,524
I didn't feel that Albert manipulated Bob...
1162
01:30:23,632 --> 01:30:26,829
because I think Bob
was weirder than Albert...
1163
01:30:26,936 --> 01:30:28,836
so that he couldn't manipulate him.
1164
01:30:28,938 --> 01:30:32,840
And by weird, I don't mean in a bad way
but I mean that he had enough games.
1165
01:30:32,942 --> 01:30:36,742
Now, Bob was also a terrific opportunist...
1166
01:30:36,846 --> 01:30:40,782
so if someone gave him an opportunity
to do something, he could use it.
1167
01:30:40,883 --> 01:30:42,680
I don't know if Bob was a hustler.
1168
01:30:42,785 --> 01:30:45,379
I think he just knew what he wanted
and he could focus.
1169
01:30:45,688 --> 01:30:47,280
He was very astute.
1170
01:30:47,390 --> 01:30:51,918
He could pick out somebody who was
important. I mean, any musician would...
1171
01:30:52,395 --> 01:30:53,862
but he was really good at it.
1172
01:30:54,263 --> 01:30:58,359
Albert tells me one day he's gonna send
a guy over to see me named Bob Dylan.
1173
01:31:00,136 --> 01:31:03,264
He's got a guitar, with some kind
of a contraption around his neck...
1174
01:31:03,372 --> 01:31:05,897
so that the harmonica is up to his mouth.
1175
01:31:06,008 --> 01:31:07,839
Now, believe me when I tell you...
1176
01:31:07,943 --> 01:31:11,538
nobody had ever seen this
on Broadway before.
1177
01:31:11,647 --> 01:31:13,842
And he starts singing for me.
1178
01:31:14,950 --> 01:31:19,182
And one of the things that I pride myself on
is that I think I'm one of the few...
1179
01:31:19,288 --> 01:31:22,815
At that time, I may have been
the only one in the music business...
1180
01:31:22,925 --> 01:31:24,916
who listened to the words.
1181
01:31:25,761 --> 01:31:26,921
And when I heard...
1182
01:31:27,029 --> 01:31:31,625
"How many years must one man have
before he can hear people cry," I flipped.
1183
01:31:31,834 --> 01:31:34,894
I can't even remember what the songs were
that he played me that day...
1184
01:31:35,004 --> 01:31:37,029
but I said, "Okay, that's it. I want you."
1185
01:31:37,206 --> 01:31:42,143
How many roads must a man walk down
1186
01:31:43,212 --> 01:31:47,171
Before they call him a man
1187
01:31:53,055 --> 01:31:56,786
The music business per se
was dominated by music publishers.
1188
01:31:58,794 --> 01:32:02,286
In those days, the song was important.
You would pick a song and work on it.
1189
01:32:11,340 --> 01:32:13,968
Historically, whenever you see
Dylan mentioned in print...
1190
01:32:14,076 --> 01:32:17,603
it's always John Hammond
who discovered Bob Dylan.
1191
01:32:17,713 --> 01:32:21,149
I think the guy
who made Dylan popular was me...
1192
01:32:21,250 --> 01:32:22,877
if I say so myself.
1193
01:32:22,985 --> 01:32:25,977
I'm the one who started
to get his songs all over the place.
1194
01:32:26,088 --> 01:32:28,648
We never had resistance
within the company to him.
1195
01:32:28,757 --> 01:32:32,215
My boss, the old man, Herman Starr,
got on it right away.
1196
01:32:32,328 --> 01:32:34,819
Why? Because they smelled dollars,
that's why.
1197
01:32:36,632 --> 01:32:38,691
I gotta sing you something
to tell you something.
1198
01:32:38,801 --> 01:32:41,668
It's called Masters of War.
1199
01:32:46,242 --> 01:32:48,540
Come you masters of war
1200
01:32:50,346 --> 01:32:52,644
You that build the big guns
1201
01:32:54,416 --> 01:32:56,907
You that build the death planes
1202
01:32:58,787 --> 01:33:00,914
You that build all the bombs
1203
01:33:02,958 --> 01:33:05,119
You that hide behind walls
1204
01:33:06,996 --> 01:33:08,987
You that hide behind desks
1205
01:33:10,766 --> 01:33:14,497
I just want you to know
I can see through your masks
1206
01:33:17,072 --> 01:33:20,132
And I hope that you die
1207
01:33:20,776 --> 01:33:22,903
And your death will come soon
1208
01:33:24,780 --> 01:33:27,078
I'll follow your casket
1209
01:33:28,684 --> 01:33:31,016
All the pale afternoon
1210
01:33:33,022 --> 01:33:35,388
And I'll watch while you're lowered
1211
01:33:36,825 --> 01:33:39,157
Down to your deathbed
1212
01:33:40,996 --> 01:33:45,865
And I'll stand over your grave
till I'm sure that you're dead
1213
01:33:45,968 --> 01:33:50,098
I did a concert of his in Town Hall.
It might have been '63.
1214
01:33:50,506 --> 01:33:52,838
And when the concert was over...
1215
01:33:53,576 --> 01:33:55,976
Bob called me over and he said:
1216
01:33:56,946 --> 01:33:59,847
"Is anybody in the stage door
waiting for me?"
1217
01:34:01,550 --> 01:34:05,782
The fact is that I do not blame
any artist for seeking fame...
1218
01:34:05,888 --> 01:34:08,379
which is in a sense, recognition.
1219
01:34:08,490 --> 01:34:10,890
You want to know
that you've pleased an audience...
1220
01:34:10,993 --> 01:34:13,723
you want to know that
the audience is interested in you.
1221
01:34:14,263 --> 01:34:18,029
He was, in his way, a dynamic performer.
1222
01:34:18,400 --> 01:34:22,359
But I think mostly the material
that he was doing was so great...
1223
01:34:23,839 --> 01:34:25,636
that everybody responded to it.
1224
01:34:27,376 --> 01:34:30,470
Oxford Town, Oxford Town
Everybody's got their heads bowed down
1225
01:34:30,579 --> 01:34:32,706
The sun don't shine above the ground
1226
01:34:32,815 --> 01:34:35,306
Ain't a-goin' down to Oxford Town
1227
01:34:35,417 --> 01:34:39,046
The topical song movement
was a product of the Left.
1228
01:34:44,360 --> 01:34:46,851
And the Left, at that time,
would have been Pete Seeger...
1229
01:34:46,962 --> 01:34:48,930
and the Weavers, and Woody Guthrie.
1230
01:34:49,031 --> 01:34:53,434
These people created material
based on topical situations.
1231
01:34:57,306 --> 01:35:00,139
Pete Seeger, very tall,
like a towering figure.
1232
01:35:00,442 --> 01:35:02,103
I didn't realize he was a communist.
1233
01:35:02,211 --> 01:35:05,271
I really wasn't sure even
what a communist was.
1234
01:35:09,485 --> 01:35:13,114
If he was, it wouldn't have
mattered to me anyway.
1235
01:35:15,524 --> 01:35:18,084
I really didn't think about people
in those terms.
1236
01:35:18,560 --> 01:35:20,960
Bobby was not really a political person.
1237
01:35:22,665 --> 01:35:25,156
He was thought of...
1238
01:35:26,235 --> 01:35:27,566
as being...
1239
01:35:29,571 --> 01:35:32,472
a political person and a man of the Left.
1240
01:35:32,975 --> 01:35:37,639
And in a general sort of way, yes, he was.
But he was not interested...
1241
01:35:38,547 --> 01:35:42,313
in the true nature of the Soviet Union
or any of that crap.
1242
01:35:43,719 --> 01:35:46,244
We thought he was hopelessly
politically naive.
1243
01:35:46,355 --> 01:35:50,815
But in retrospect, I think he may have been
more sophisticated than we were.
1244
01:36:01,470 --> 01:36:06,134
The folk music revival was postponed
by almost 10 years by the witch hunt.
1245
01:36:06,241 --> 01:36:10,473
I mean, when US Army publishes
pamphlets on how to spot a communist...
1246
01:36:10,579 --> 01:36:14,208
that have lines in them like,
"He will sometimes play the guitar"...
1247
01:36:14,316 --> 01:36:17,046
that kind of thing had a very...
1248
01:36:18,487 --> 01:36:20,955
repressive and suppressive effect.
1249
01:36:30,599 --> 01:36:34,558
The song Goodnight Irene
was all over the country.
1250
01:36:34,670 --> 01:36:36,103
You couldn't escape that song...
1251
01:36:36,205 --> 01:36:39,299
in the United States of America,
in the summer of 1950.
1252
01:36:39,408 --> 01:36:43,742
Right then, the very moment that Irene
was at the top of the Top 40...
1253
01:36:43,846 --> 01:36:46,371
a bunch of blacklisters
probably said to themselves:
1254
01:36:46,482 --> 01:36:50,009
"How did we let these commie
so-and-so's slip through our fingers?"
1255
01:36:50,419 --> 01:36:54,287
They started out to see that we were
blacklisted, and about two years later...
1256
01:36:54,389 --> 01:36:57,586
instead of singing in the Waldorf-Astoria,
or Ciro's in Hollywood...
1257
01:36:59,027 --> 01:37:02,326
we were singing in Daffy's Bar and Grill
on the outskirts of Cleveland...
1258
01:37:02,431 --> 01:37:05,229
and decided to take a sabbatical.
1259
01:37:05,901 --> 01:37:08,131
Lee says, it turned
into a Mond-ical and a Tuesd-ical.
1260
01:37:09,638 --> 01:37:12,436
By the time McCarthy,
I think, started to wane...
1261
01:37:12,541 --> 01:37:14,941
the folk music thing started to come up.
1262
01:37:16,211 --> 01:37:19,806
I say it's in the interest of every human
being in the United States of America...
1263
01:37:19,915 --> 01:37:22,679
to get some good senators
out of Mississippi for a change.
1264
01:37:22,785 --> 01:37:25,185
And you can do it,
and you will do it soon, I know.
1265
01:37:55,818 --> 01:37:58,719
I got him to go with
Pete and Theodore Bikel...
1266
01:37:58,821 --> 01:38:00,948
as they were both going down to the South.
1267
01:38:01,056 --> 01:38:05,851
The day Medgar Evers
was buried from the bullet he caught
1268
01:38:06,762 --> 01:38:11,529
And I encouraged him to go with them
and he did, as part of an education.
1269
01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:15,197
The Civil Rights Movement
was in full swing...
1270
01:38:15,604 --> 01:38:17,970
and there was a big field
outside Greenwood...
1271
01:38:18,073 --> 01:38:19,700
with several hundred people.
1272
01:38:20,108 --> 01:38:24,408
I heard some speechifying there
that I'll never forget in all my life.
1273
01:38:24,513 --> 01:38:29,212
And I remember Bob singing a song
which really caused people to think.
1274
01:38:29,718 --> 01:38:31,811
He's Only a Pawn in The Game.
1275
01:38:33,055 --> 01:38:36,081
He was singing about the man
who killed Medgar Evers.
1276
01:38:36,625 --> 01:38:40,356
In other words,
don't just think of this one man...
1277
01:38:40,462 --> 01:38:43,863
who did this murder,
but think of the whole situation.
1278
01:38:44,333 --> 01:38:46,893
To be on the side of people
who are struggling for something...
1279
01:38:47,002 --> 01:38:49,562
doesn't necessarily mean
you are being political.
1280
01:38:49,705 --> 01:38:53,232
Oh, my name it ain't nothin'
1281
01:38:53,542 --> 01:38:56,010
My age it means less
1282
01:38:57,012 --> 01:39:00,539
The country I come from
1283
01:39:00,649 --> 01:39:03,015
Is called the Midwest
1284
01:39:03,852 --> 01:39:07,618
I was taught and brought up there
1285
01:39:07,723 --> 01:39:10,021
The laws to abide
1286
01:39:11,093 --> 01:39:14,494
And that the land that I live in
1287
01:39:14,596 --> 01:39:17,030
Has God on its side
1288
01:39:17,666 --> 01:39:20,692
I would say that Bob was gifted,
and it was flowering.
1289
01:39:20,802 --> 01:39:24,169
He had a great desire to change the world.
1290
01:39:24,273 --> 01:39:26,207
We even talked about it.
1291
01:39:26,308 --> 01:39:28,469
We thought that segregation
wasn't gonna last...
1292
01:39:28,577 --> 01:39:30,977
and that we were gonna have
something to do with ending it.
1293
01:39:31,079 --> 01:39:32,919
We really believed
we were gonna have a part...
1294
01:39:32,981 --> 01:39:35,506
as songwriters in changing the world.
1295
01:39:54,002 --> 01:39:58,302
I had first laid eyes on Bob in Gerde's Folk
City.
1296
01:39:58,640 --> 01:39:59,937
I had been told about him.
1297
01:40:00,342 --> 01:40:04,403
"This guy's a genius
and he writes these incredible songs...
1298
01:40:04,513 --> 01:40:07,971
"and he admires Woody Guthrie,"
and all this stuff.
1299
01:40:08,083 --> 01:40:10,449
I was very dubious, you know...
1300
01:40:10,552 --> 01:40:13,885
when people raved
about somebody other than myself.
1301
01:40:13,989 --> 01:40:15,957
But I went, and sure enough...
1302
01:40:16,058 --> 01:40:18,049
he was everything
that they had said he was.
1303
01:40:18,160 --> 01:40:21,823
We both had our baby fat. That's what
I think of when I look at the early pictures.
1304
01:40:21,930 --> 01:40:24,797
Smooth skin, baby fat.
We were really young.
1305
01:40:25,200 --> 01:40:26,895
Bob looked like a ragamuffin.
1306
01:40:27,002 --> 01:40:29,596
Probably one of the things
I found so appealing about him.
1307
01:40:29,705 --> 01:40:31,345
He would bring out the mother instinct...
1308
01:40:31,440 --> 01:40:34,170
in a woman who thought
her mother instinct was dead.
1309
01:40:34,643 --> 01:40:39,307
He came out and stayed with me
in a beautiful house, in Carmel Valley.
1310
01:40:39,715 --> 01:40:40,943
Bob liked to write there.
1311
01:40:41,049 --> 01:40:44,041
And he would just stand,
tapping away at that typewriter.
1312
01:40:44,152 --> 01:40:47,019
He would always say,
"What do you think of this?"
1313
01:40:47,122 --> 01:40:50,683
And I wouldn't understand the thing at all,
but I loved it.
1314
01:40:52,227 --> 01:40:55,287
So I went, "Okay, I'm gonna figure
this one out." So I read through it.
1315
01:40:55,397 --> 01:40:59,356
And I gave back my interpretation
of what I thought it was about.
1316
01:40:59,468 --> 01:41:01,095
He said, "That's pretty fucking good."
1317
01:41:01,203 --> 01:41:03,137
He would say, "See now,
a bunch of years from now...
1318
01:41:03,238 --> 01:41:04,637
"all these people, all these assholes...
1319
01:41:04,740 --> 01:41:06,503
"are gonna be writing
about all the shit I write.
1320
01:41:06,608 --> 01:41:10,339
"I don't know where the fuck it comes from.
I don't know what the fuck it's about.
1321
01:41:10,445 --> 01:41:12,913
"And they're gonna write what it's about."
1322
01:41:13,081 --> 01:41:14,946
Oh, the time will come up
1323
01:41:15,050 --> 01:41:17,211
When the winds will stop
1324
01:41:17,319 --> 01:41:20,618
And the breeze will cease to be breathin'
1325
01:41:21,623 --> 01:41:23,682
Like the stillness in the wind
1326
01:41:23,792 --> 01:41:25,919
Before the hurricane begins
1327
01:41:26,028 --> 01:41:28,929
The hour that the ship comes in
1328
01:41:30,098 --> 01:41:32,123
And the sea will split
1329
01:41:32,234 --> 01:41:34,225
And the ships will hit
1330
01:41:34,336 --> 01:41:37,703
And the sands on the shoreline
will be shaking
1331
01:41:37,806 --> 01:41:40,274
Bob would write.
Just write and write and write.
1332
01:41:40,375 --> 01:41:43,139
And one time, we pulled into someplace...
1333
01:41:43,245 --> 01:41:46,646
and I was okay by then.
Bare feet or not, I was famous.
1334
01:41:47,549 --> 01:41:49,779
But this scruffy-looking guy I had with me...
1335
01:41:49,885 --> 01:41:52,183
and the people behind the desk
were having none of it...
1336
01:41:52,287 --> 01:41:54,881
and they said they didn't have a room.
1337
01:41:55,657 --> 01:41:57,625
And now, of course, I was livid...
1338
01:41:57,726 --> 01:42:01,184
and pulled all my punches,
and got him a room.
1339
01:42:02,964 --> 01:42:06,832
And he wrote a song
that just was devastating:
1340
01:42:06,935 --> 01:42:08,664
The Hour The Ship Comes In.
1341
01:42:08,770 --> 01:42:10,431
And I could see him hanging them all.
1342
01:42:10,539 --> 01:42:14,669
He'd never sort of fess up to that sort of
thing, but that's what it seemed like to me.
1343
01:42:14,776 --> 01:42:17,370
Working out whatever feelings...
1344
01:42:18,580 --> 01:42:21,606
he might have had
about not being given a room...
1345
01:42:21,716 --> 01:42:24,116
in a brilliant song, in one night.
1346
01:42:24,219 --> 01:42:26,380
And they'll raise their hands
1347
01:42:26,488 --> 01:42:28,422
Sayin' we'll meet all your demands
1348
01:42:28,523 --> 01:42:31,959
There'll be a shout from the bow,
"Your days are numbered"
1349
01:42:32,694 --> 01:42:34,753
And like Pharaoh's tribe
1350
01:42:34,863 --> 01:42:36,660
They'll be drownded in the tide
1351
01:42:36,765 --> 01:42:41,464
And like Goliath, they'll be conquered
1352
01:42:58,420 --> 01:43:00,388
You had country folks and city folks there.
1353
01:43:00,489 --> 01:43:03,390
We purposely tried to mix it up at Newport.
1354
01:43:29,017 --> 01:43:30,507
There was Johnny Cash.
1355
01:43:34,689 --> 01:43:38,181
And then you had O.J. Abbott
singing some of the ballads he knew...
1356
01:43:38,293 --> 01:43:41,057
as a young man working
in the lumber camps.
1357
01:43:41,163 --> 01:43:42,357
Right side by side.
1358
01:43:52,607 --> 01:43:56,600
There were 15,000 people,
and that seemed to me just immense.
1359
01:43:57,078 --> 01:44:01,742
Everyone was there who played folk music.
Old and new.
1360
01:44:02,184 --> 01:44:03,947
Sort of younger people, too.
1361
01:44:09,658 --> 01:44:14,595
We kind of bonded in a way,
music-wise, you know...
1362
01:44:14,930 --> 01:44:17,125
what we were singing
and what he was writing.
1363
01:44:17,465 --> 01:44:21,367
A bullet from the back of a bush
1364
01:44:21,970 --> 01:44:24,234
Took Medgar Evers's blood
1365
01:44:26,441 --> 01:44:30,275
A finger fired the trigger to his name
1366
01:44:32,380 --> 01:44:36,680
A handle hid out in the dark
1367
01:44:36,785 --> 01:44:38,844
The hand set the spark
1368
01:44:38,954 --> 01:44:40,979
Two eyes took the aim
1369
01:44:42,290 --> 01:44:44,588
Behind a man's brain
1370
01:44:45,660 --> 01:44:47,787
But he can't be blamed
1371
01:44:48,997 --> 01:44:53,366
He's only a pawn in their game
1372
01:44:54,536 --> 01:44:57,767
I was the only singer there probably
singing the songs that he'd written.
1373
01:44:57,872 --> 01:45:00,306
And most likely, two years earlier to that...
1374
01:45:00,408 --> 01:45:03,309
I wouldn't have been able
to get into Newport.
1375
01:45:03,745 --> 01:45:07,374
You got more than the blacks,
don't complain
1376
01:45:08,383 --> 01:45:10,214
You're better than them
1377
01:45:10,318 --> 01:45:13,913
You been born with white skin, they explain
1378
01:45:14,689 --> 01:45:16,657
It was quite a sensation.
1379
01:45:17,726 --> 01:45:20,854
He was singing a lot of,
what they called then, protest songs.
1380
01:45:20,962 --> 01:45:23,988
I've always hated that designation.
1381
01:45:25,000 --> 01:45:28,231
And it was very much...
1382
01:45:29,304 --> 01:45:30,794
in the spirit of the time.
1383
01:45:31,373 --> 01:45:34,638
Pete and the crowd
around Broadside magazine...
1384
01:45:34,743 --> 01:45:37,177
had fallen head over heels in love with him.
1385
01:45:37,279 --> 01:45:41,978
Today, Medgar Evers was buried
from the bullet he caught
1386
01:45:45,987 --> 01:45:49,479
They lowered him down as a king
1387
01:45:52,394 --> 01:45:57,024
But when the shadowy sun sets on the one
1388
01:45:57,132 --> 01:45:59,191
That fired the gun
1389
01:45:59,301 --> 01:46:01,531
He'll see by his grave
1390
01:46:02,570 --> 01:46:04,868
On the stone that remains
1391
01:46:04,973 --> 01:46:07,203
Carved next to his name
1392
01:46:07,309 --> 01:46:09,675
His epitaph plain
1393
01:46:10,111 --> 01:46:14,878
Only a pawn in their game
1394
01:46:17,085 --> 01:46:19,952
There was Woody Guthrie,
transition to Pete Seeger...
1395
01:46:20,055 --> 01:46:22,250
who carried on Woody's tradition.
1396
01:46:22,357 --> 01:46:25,417
Now who was to carry on from Pete Seeger?
1397
01:46:26,361 --> 01:46:29,125
And in that spot really, came Bob Dylan.
1398
01:46:29,431 --> 01:46:32,764
So we began to recognize that Bobby...
1399
01:46:32,867 --> 01:46:36,359
would be the continuation in that tradition.
1400
01:46:36,471 --> 01:46:39,201
I wrote this song. It tells a story...
1401
01:46:42,610 --> 01:46:44,339
if you like stories.
1402
01:47:00,895 --> 01:47:04,262
- Maybe it doesn't do anything.
- Maybe it doesn't tell a story.
1403
01:47:06,201 --> 01:47:09,034
It was a very, very exciting... I felt...
1404
01:47:09,904 --> 01:47:11,599
it was like, Bob was my pal.
1405
01:47:11,706 --> 01:47:15,472
We were involved in the same thing. And
I knew he was gonna be a massive star...
1406
01:47:15,577 --> 01:47:17,169
and I liked that.
1407
01:47:29,257 --> 01:47:30,315
Let me say something?
1408
01:47:30,692 --> 01:47:34,059
We just have to sing one, that's all.
That's the introduction.
1409
01:47:37,298 --> 01:47:41,928
Oh my name it is nothin'
1410
01:47:42,704 --> 01:47:47,073
My age it means less
1411
01:47:47,675 --> 01:47:52,578
The country I come from
1412
01:47:52,814 --> 01:47:56,978
Is called the Midwest
1413
01:47:57,318 --> 01:48:02,221
I was taught and brought up there
1414
01:48:02,457 --> 01:48:06,826
The laws to abide
1415
01:48:06,928 --> 01:48:11,865
And that the land that I live in
1416
01:48:11,966 --> 01:48:16,767
Has God on its side
1417
01:48:18,306 --> 01:48:23,266
Oh the history books tell it
1418
01:48:23,378 --> 01:48:27,109
They tell it so well
1419
01:48:27,515 --> 01:48:32,418
The cavalries charged
1420
01:48:32,520 --> 01:48:37,014
And the Indians fell
1421
01:48:37,125 --> 01:48:41,721
The cavalries charged
1422
01:48:41,830 --> 01:48:46,358
And the Indians died
1423
01:48:46,468 --> 01:48:50,700
Oh the country was young
1424
01:48:51,172 --> 01:48:55,506
With God on its side
1425
01:48:57,278 --> 01:48:59,542
I wrote a lot of songs
in a quick amount of time.
1426
01:48:59,647 --> 01:49:01,239
I could do that then...
1427
01:49:01,483 --> 01:49:06,216
because the process was new to me.
1428
01:49:07,722 --> 01:49:09,349
I felt like...
1429
01:49:09,958 --> 01:49:13,621
I'd discovered something
no one else had ever discovered...
1430
01:49:14,295 --> 01:49:18,891
and I was in a sort of an arena artistically
that no one else had ever been in before...
1431
01:49:19,000 --> 01:49:21,833
ever, although I might
have been wrong about that.
1432
01:49:22,170 --> 01:49:24,900
One time ago a crazy dream came to me
1433
01:49:25,006 --> 01:49:27,566
I dreamt I was walkin' in World War Three
1434
01:49:28,209 --> 01:49:30,609
I went to the doctor the very next day
1435
01:49:30,712 --> 01:49:32,577
To see what kind of words he had to say
1436
01:49:32,680 --> 01:49:34,375
He said it was a bad dream
1437
01:49:40,021 --> 01:49:44,685
I was on top of this 12-foot station
and I had a long lens.
1438
01:49:44,792 --> 01:49:47,317
I was looking at Bob Dylan
coming out on stage.
1439
01:49:47,428 --> 01:49:49,862
Well, down the corner by the hot-dog stand
1440
01:49:49,964 --> 01:49:51,295
I seen another man
1441
01:49:51,399 --> 01:49:52,491
I said, "Howdy, friend
1442
01:49:52,600 --> 01:49:54,431
"I guess there's just us two"
1443
01:49:54,536 --> 01:49:57,096
He screamed, and down the road he flew
1444
01:49:57,739 --> 01:49:59,434
Thought I was a communist
1445
01:50:02,377 --> 01:50:06,211
He was Charlie Chaplin.
He was Dylan Thomas.
1446
01:50:06,714 --> 01:50:10,275
He talked like Woody Guthrie.
He was constantly moving.
1447
01:50:11,686 --> 01:50:14,814
More time passed and now it seems
1448
01:50:14,923 --> 01:50:17,084
Everybody's having them dreams
1449
01:50:17,191 --> 01:50:21,821
Everybody sees theyself
walkin' around with nobody else
1450
01:50:23,565 --> 01:50:27,194
And all the people can be
half right some of the time
1451
01:50:28,736 --> 01:50:31,671
Some of the people can be
all right part of the time
1452
01:50:32,340 --> 01:50:35,275
But all the people can't be
all right all of the time
1453
01:50:36,311 --> 01:50:38,108
Abraham Lincoln said that
1454
01:50:39,314 --> 01:50:41,976
I'll let you be in my dream
if I can be in yours
1455
01:50:42,083 --> 01:50:43,380
I said that
1456
01:50:44,852 --> 01:50:49,152
In old Irish mythology,
they talk about the shape-changers.
1457
01:50:49,657 --> 01:50:52,990
He changed voices. He changed images.
1458
01:50:53,828 --> 01:50:57,855
It wasn't necessary for him to be...
1459
01:50:57,966 --> 01:50:59,957
a definitive person.
1460
01:51:00,702 --> 01:51:02,499
He was a receiver.
1461
01:51:03,571 --> 01:51:05,471
He was possessed.
1462
01:51:06,040 --> 01:51:09,441
And he articulated...
1463
01:51:10,845 --> 01:51:14,440
what the rest of us wanted to say
but couldn't say.
1464
01:51:14,716 --> 01:51:19,480
How many roads must a man walk down
1465
01:51:21,623 --> 01:51:26,151
before you call him a man?
1466
01:51:28,363 --> 01:51:33,096
How many seas must a white dove sail
1467
01:51:35,403 --> 01:51:40,033
before she sleeps in the sand?
1468
01:51:40,808 --> 01:51:43,174
It's almost enough to make you...
1469
01:51:43,277 --> 01:51:47,236
believe in Jung's notion
of collective unconscious.
1470
01:51:48,416 --> 01:51:51,510
That if there is an American
collective unconscious...
1471
01:51:51,619 --> 01:51:54,144
if you could believe in
something like that...
1472
01:51:54,255 --> 01:51:56,689
that Bobby had somehow tapped into it.
1473
01:51:57,892 --> 01:52:00,087
And there were always...
1474
01:52:01,796 --> 01:52:04,390
these sometimes very faint resonances.
1475
01:52:09,637 --> 01:52:11,832
In taking all the elements
that I've ever known...
1476
01:52:11,939 --> 01:52:15,534
to make wide-sweeping statements
which conveyed a feeling...
1477
01:52:15,643 --> 01:52:19,044
that was in the general essence
of the spirit of the times.
1478
01:52:20,915 --> 01:52:23,042
I think I managed to do that.
1479
01:52:23,618 --> 01:52:27,019
I thought that I needed to press on...
1480
01:52:27,422 --> 01:52:30,516
and get as far into it as I could.
1481
01:52:30,992 --> 01:52:35,759
Is blowin' in the wind
1482
01:52:47,208 --> 01:52:51,907
I would like to say that he has his finger
on the pulse of our generation.
1483
01:52:53,014 --> 01:52:54,345
Bob Dylan.
1484
01:52:58,820 --> 01:53:02,620
There will be singing through the night,
in the town of Newport.
1485
01:53:46,888 --> 01:53:51,258
I'm looking for a place that will
"collect, clip, bath," and return my dog...
1486
01:53:51,527 --> 01:53:55,725
"KN1-7727, cigarettes and tobacco."
1487
01:53:57,199 --> 01:54:00,636
"Animals and birds bought
or sold on commission."
1488
01:54:01,271 --> 01:54:05,606
I want a dog that's gonna collect
and clean my bath, return my cigarette...
1489
01:54:05,810 --> 01:54:09,837
and give tobacco to my animals
and then give my birds a commission.
1490
01:54:09,947 --> 01:54:12,644
I'm looking for somebody to sell my dog...
1491
01:54:12,784 --> 01:54:16,413
collect my clip, buy my animal,
and straighten out my bird.
1492
01:54:16,521 --> 01:54:19,013
I'm looking for a place to bathe my bird...
1493
01:54:19,993 --> 01:54:22,791
buy my dog, collect my clip...
1494
01:54:23,930 --> 01:54:26,593
sell me cigarettes and commission my bath.
1495
01:54:26,700 --> 01:54:29,225
I'm looking for a place
that's going to collect my commission...
1496
01:54:29,336 --> 01:54:32,363
sell my dog, burn my bird,
and sell me to the cigarette.
1497
01:54:32,474 --> 01:54:37,207
Going to bird my buy, collect my will,
and bathe my commission.
1498
01:54:37,445 --> 01:54:40,438
I'm looking for a place
that's going to animal my soul...
1499
01:54:40,549 --> 01:54:43,985
knit my return, bathe my foot,
and collect my dog.
1500
01:54:44,186 --> 01:54:48,647
Commission me to sell my animals,
to the bird to clip and buy my bath...
1501
01:54:48,759 --> 01:54:50,556
and return me back to the cigarettes.
1502
01:55:03,108 --> 01:55:06,509
These are all protest songs. Now, come on.
1503
01:55:10,450 --> 01:55:14,080
This is not British music,
it's American music. Now, come on.
1504
01:55:24,900 --> 01:55:29,395
When you're lost in the rain in Juarez
1505
01:55:29,505 --> 01:55:32,531
And it's Eastertime too
1506
01:55:35,646 --> 01:55:38,740
When your gravity's down
1507
01:55:38,982 --> 01:55:41,645
And negativity don't get you through
1508
01:55:45,824 --> 01:55:48,555
Just don't put on any airs
1509
01:55:49,261 --> 01:55:53,721
When you're down on Rue Morgue Avenue
1510
01:55:56,670 --> 01:55:59,867
They got some hungry women there
1511
01:55:59,973 --> 01:56:03,341
And they really make a mess out of you
1512
01:56:14,723 --> 01:56:16,282
Sweet Melinda
1513
01:56:16,926 --> 01:56:20,453
The peasants call her the goddess of gloom
1514
01:56:23,667 --> 01:56:26,329
She speaks good English
1515
01:56:28,739 --> 01:56:29,739
My left fingertips?
1516
01:56:29,841 --> 01:56:31,832
- Yeah, let me feel them.
- Good God, man.
1517
01:56:32,244 --> 01:56:33,438
What?
1518
01:56:40,219 --> 01:56:42,915
And picking up Angel
1519
01:56:43,022 --> 01:56:46,356
Who just arrived here from the coast
1520
01:56:49,730 --> 01:56:52,564
Who looked so fine at first
1521
01:56:53,735 --> 01:56:58,503
But left looking just like a ghost
1522
01:57:01,844 --> 01:57:02,902
Bob!
1523
01:57:20,499 --> 01:57:23,366
Every single one of them. That's...
1524
01:57:26,139 --> 01:57:28,198
That's all I do, is protest.
1525
01:57:43,925 --> 01:57:48,022
The March on Washington was not only
a moment of extreme hopefulness...
1526
01:57:48,130 --> 01:57:51,964
it was a moment of the confirmation
of the possibility...
1527
01:57:52,468 --> 01:57:54,664
of that hope becoming a reality.
1528
01:57:54,771 --> 01:57:59,470
That was the moment of recognition...
1529
01:57:59,643 --> 01:58:02,477
of what people could do to change history.
1530
01:58:02,814 --> 01:58:04,441
I have a dream...
1531
01:58:05,350 --> 01:58:06,875
that one day...
1532
01:58:08,020 --> 01:58:10,420
this nation will rise up...
1533
01:58:11,724 --> 01:58:14,216
and live out the true meaning of its creed.;
1534
01:58:15,495 --> 01:58:18,259
"We hold these truths to be self-evident...
1535
01:58:18,899 --> 01:58:20,868
"that all men are created equal."
1536
01:58:20,968 --> 01:58:23,664
I was up close
when King was giving that speech.
1537
01:58:24,138 --> 01:58:26,936
To this day it still affects me
in a profound way.
1538
01:58:27,542 --> 01:58:30,569
I would like now to introduce
a young singer...
1539
01:58:31,480 --> 01:58:34,244
from New York, Bob Dylan.
1540
01:58:39,188 --> 01:58:41,179
I looked out the podium,
I looked out at the crowd...
1541
01:58:41,291 --> 01:58:42,725
and I remember thinking to myself.;
1542
01:58:42,826 --> 01:58:45,317
"Man, I've never seen such a large crowd."
1543
01:58:45,429 --> 01:58:49,867
Oh the time will come up
When the winds will stop
1544
01:58:49,968 --> 01:58:53,426
And the breeze will cease to be breathing
1545
01:58:54,272 --> 01:58:58,607
Like the stillness in the wind
Before the hurricane begins
1546
01:58:58,911 --> 01:59:02,176
The hour that the ship comes in
1547
01:59:02,649 --> 01:59:06,813
Free at last, free at last,
thank God Almighty.
1548
01:59:06,920 --> 01:59:08,387
We are free at last.
1549
01:59:09,122 --> 01:59:13,219
And the ship's wise men
Will remind you once again
1550
01:59:13,328 --> 01:59:18,232
That the whole wide world is watching
1551
01:59:22,905 --> 01:59:26,637
He would take individuals and infuse them
with life that you could understand.
1552
01:59:27,944 --> 01:59:32,279
So even if he never considered himself
a protest singer, he was a protest singer.
1553
01:59:33,084 --> 01:59:36,349
And he saw what was happening
all around him...
1554
01:59:37,022 --> 01:59:40,082
and everybody else saw
what was happening all around them...
1555
01:59:40,192 --> 01:59:41,955
but he voiced that for the first time.
1556
01:59:42,694 --> 01:59:45,960
"Hard rain's gonna fall"
means something's going to happen.
1557
01:59:51,005 --> 01:59:55,135
Oh, where have you been,
my blue-eyed son?
1558
01:59:58,680 --> 02:00:02,047
And where have you been,
my darling young one?
1559
02:00:06,555 --> 02:00:11,322
I've stumbled on the side
of 12 misty mountains
1560
02:00:14,464 --> 02:00:19,198
I've walked and I've crawled
on six crooked highways
1561
02:00:22,273 --> 02:00:27,211
I've stepped in the middle
of seven sad forests
1562
02:00:30,382 --> 02:00:35,286
And I've been out in front
of a dozen dead oceans
1563
02:00:38,224 --> 02:00:43,185
I've been 10,000 miles
in the mouth of a graveyard
1564
02:00:43,998 --> 02:00:47,526
And it's a hard and it's a hard
1565
02:00:48,403 --> 02:00:52,237
And it's a hard and it's a hard
1566
02:00:52,607 --> 02:00:53,905
And it's a
1567
02:00:54,010 --> 02:00:56,501
He's been shot! Oswald has been shot.
1568
02:00:56,646 --> 02:01:01,584
Rain's a-gonna fall
1569
02:01:02,086 --> 02:01:07,046
We were going to make this world
a decent, better place...
1570
02:01:08,259 --> 02:01:11,854
but that loss,
I think it traumatized the nation terribly.
1571
02:01:18,938 --> 02:01:21,430
The Emergency Civil Liberties Union...
1572
02:01:21,541 --> 02:01:24,772
was people who were really,
deeply involved...
1573
02:01:24,878 --> 02:01:28,144
in progressive politics, were idealists...
1574
02:01:28,249 --> 02:01:31,013
and had a dream about fairness and justice.
1575
02:01:31,119 --> 02:01:35,386
Well, here's Bobby, he's 21 years old
or whatever, he gets up there...
1576
02:01:35,824 --> 02:01:40,056
and they're giving him an award
and his discomfort was extraordinary.
1577
02:01:40,996 --> 02:01:44,125
And he pointed his finger at them
and he said...
1578
02:01:45,602 --> 02:01:48,366
"I haven't got any guitar.
I can talk, though.
1579
02:01:48,471 --> 02:01:50,599
"I want to thank you
for the Tom Paine Award...
1580
02:01:50,708 --> 02:01:53,199
"on behalf of everybody
that went down to Cuba.
1581
02:01:53,310 --> 02:01:57,304
"First of all, because they're all young
and it took me a long time to get young...
1582
02:01:57,415 --> 02:02:00,350
"and now I consider myself young,
and I'm proud of it.
1583
02:02:00,952 --> 02:02:02,648
"I'm proud that I'm young.
1584
02:02:02,855 --> 02:02:05,824
"And I only wish that all you people
who are sitting out here tonight...
1585
02:02:05,925 --> 02:02:09,589
"weren't here, and I could see
all kinds of faces with hair on their head...
1586
02:02:09,696 --> 02:02:12,893
"and everything like that,
everything leading to youngness."
1587
02:02:13,300 --> 02:02:16,030
You know, they were trying to build me up
as a topical songwriter.
1588
02:02:16,136 --> 02:02:18,833
I was never a topical songwriter
to begin with...
1589
02:02:18,940 --> 02:02:21,374
for whatever reason they were doing it...
1590
02:02:21,910 --> 02:02:25,642
was reasons not, really...
That didn't really apply to me.
1591
02:02:25,748 --> 02:02:28,876
"Old people, when their hair grows out,
they should go out.
1592
02:02:28,984 --> 02:02:31,283
"I look down to see the people
that are governing me...
1593
02:02:31,388 --> 02:02:34,482
"and making my rules,
and they haven't got any hair on their head.
1594
02:02:34,591 --> 02:02:36,320
"I get very uptight about it.
1595
02:02:36,426 --> 02:02:39,624
"There's no black and white,
left and right to me any more.
1596
02:02:39,997 --> 02:02:43,433
"There's only up and down,
and down is very close to the ground.
1597
02:02:43,768 --> 02:02:48,570
"And I'm trying to go up without thinking
about anything trivial, such as politics."
1598
02:02:49,741 --> 02:02:53,371
The evening that Dylan
was given the Freedom Award...
1599
02:02:53,479 --> 02:02:56,141
from the Emergency Civil
Liberties Committee...
1600
02:02:56,549 --> 02:03:00,486
apparently he got up, stood on his hind legs
and said he was not a political poet...
1601
02:03:00,588 --> 02:03:03,386
and nobody's left wing servant...
1602
02:03:03,757 --> 02:03:07,250
but an independent minstrel or something.
1603
02:03:07,863 --> 02:03:10,331
And astonished and pissed everybody off...
1604
02:03:10,432 --> 02:03:13,402
by not being a nice trained seal.
1605
02:03:13,769 --> 02:03:17,796
People were expecting him to give
the same thing over and over again...
1606
02:03:18,307 --> 02:03:23,177
in a precise manner, and a precise theory,
in a precise way, and it got creepy...
1607
02:03:23,313 --> 02:03:28,183
because why should you have to
push yourself into a tunnel that isn't yours?
1608
02:03:28,286 --> 02:03:31,153
I mean, you're driving along
and all these roads are apparent.
1609
02:03:31,356 --> 02:03:35,088
Why do you have to take that tunnel,
and go in and it's literally a tunnel...
1610
02:03:35,194 --> 02:03:37,822
because it's political in its theory?
1611
02:03:37,997 --> 02:03:39,717
Whereas you're out there, driving around...
1612
02:03:39,799 --> 02:03:43,064
with all this other scenery going on,
and that's what you're bringing out.
1613
02:03:43,169 --> 02:03:45,637
I was like an outsider, anyway.
1614
02:03:45,739 --> 02:03:49,369
I'd come to town as an outsider,
and still, in a lot of ways...
1615
02:03:49,477 --> 02:03:52,640
I was still more outside
than I ever was, really.
1616
02:03:52,947 --> 02:03:56,179
They were trying to make me an insider
to some kind of trip they were on.
1617
02:03:56,318 --> 02:03:57,649
I don't think so.
1618
02:04:06,863 --> 02:04:10,391
Through the mad mystic hammering
1619
02:04:10,634 --> 02:04:14,332
of the wild ripping hail
1620
02:04:14,773 --> 02:04:18,231
The sky cracked its poems
1621
02:04:18,343 --> 02:04:21,073
in naked wonder
1622
02:04:23,115 --> 02:04:26,949
That the clinging of the church bells
1623
02:04:27,053 --> 02:04:30,717
blew far into the night
1624
02:04:30,824 --> 02:04:34,760
Leaving only bells of lightning
1625
02:04:34,861 --> 02:04:37,160
and its thunder
1626
02:04:40,435 --> 02:04:43,769
Striking for the gentle
1627
02:04:44,673 --> 02:04:48,074
striking for the kind
1628
02:04:48,811 --> 02:04:52,111
Striking for the guardians
1629
02:04:52,215 --> 02:04:55,982
and protectors of the mind
1630
02:04:56,354 --> 02:04:59,949
And the poet and the painter
1631
02:05:00,057 --> 02:05:04,154
who lights up his rightful time
1632
02:05:04,429 --> 02:05:06,624
And we gazed upon
1633
02:05:06,732 --> 02:05:10,066
The chimes of freedom flashing
1634
02:05:16,576 --> 02:05:20,069
Bob had a concert at
the Santa Monica Civic Auditorium...
1635
02:05:20,180 --> 02:05:23,274
where he told everybody how he
and Neuwirth and them had traveled...
1636
02:05:23,384 --> 02:05:26,912
across the country
and he sang Chimes of Freedom Flashing...
1637
02:05:27,122 --> 02:05:28,316
and it was incredible.
1638
02:05:32,161 --> 02:05:35,995
After the concert,
all of a sudden we found ourselves trapped.
1639
02:05:36,098 --> 02:05:38,795
There was a press of people outside.
1640
02:05:39,002 --> 02:05:43,063
We made it into the station wagon,
and then all the people came rushing over...
1641
02:05:43,173 --> 02:05:47,406
to the station wagon, and we slowly
started to move the station wagon out.
1642
02:05:47,645 --> 02:05:51,605
And I turned around and saw...
There was an amp and his guitars...
1643
02:05:51,717 --> 02:05:55,813
and their suitcases in the back with a little
tarp over it, and I saw the tarp moving.
1644
02:05:55,921 --> 02:05:58,720
Two young girls stowed away
under the tarp.
1645
02:05:58,825 --> 02:06:01,726
So we had to stop and gently eject them.
1646
02:06:01,928 --> 02:06:04,362
And of course,
then all the people were pressing around.
1647
02:06:15,077 --> 02:06:16,203
Bobby!
1648
02:06:20,883 --> 02:06:23,511
All of a sudden, he had become an idol.
1649
02:06:23,853 --> 02:06:27,449
That was the beginning of people
wanting more from him.
1650
02:06:27,558 --> 02:06:29,958
You know,
as if just the songs weren't enough.
1651
02:06:30,994 --> 02:06:33,691
Everybody wanted to sleep with Bobby...
1652
02:06:35,100 --> 02:06:36,590
to get high with Bobby.
1653
02:06:36,701 --> 02:06:41,298
The reverence was for Bobby,
but it was also for what he had created...
1654
02:06:41,407 --> 02:06:43,967
and everybody wanted to get close to it.
1655
02:06:44,076 --> 02:06:48,776
The desire to be next to him produced
a huge magnet which drew everybody.
1656
02:06:49,983 --> 02:06:51,473
Young and old.
1657
02:06:51,685 --> 02:06:55,713
Genius makes its own rules,
and Dylan is a genius.
1658
02:06:55,823 --> 02:06:59,816
A singing conscience and moral referee,
as well as a preacher.
1659
02:06:59,927 --> 02:07:02,829
He's also a very embarrassed
young man now, because...
1660
02:07:02,931 --> 02:07:06,765
It's always embarrassing to sit there
with your feet in cement...
1661
02:07:06,869 --> 02:07:10,237
while somebody compliments you
either casually or lavishly.
1662
02:07:12,375 --> 02:07:16,472
But, I've been reading a number of stories
about Bob this afternoon...
1663
02:07:16,580 --> 02:07:18,571
and they are all of that order.
1664
02:07:20,484 --> 02:07:22,953
A comment in Billboard,
the trade publication, says:
1665
02:07:23,054 --> 02:07:25,887
"Dylan's poetry is born
of a painful awareness...
1666
02:07:25,991 --> 02:07:29,723
"of the tragedy that underlies
the contemporary human condition."
1667
02:07:29,829 --> 02:07:32,957
Bob, do you sing partly your own songs...
1668
02:07:33,065 --> 02:07:35,534
and partly other people's,
or where do you get your material?
1669
02:07:35,636 --> 02:07:38,730
- Well, they're all mine, now.
- You sing all your own material?
1670
02:07:38,839 --> 02:07:41,637
And how long have you been writing
your own music?
1671
02:07:43,077 --> 02:07:45,568
For about two years.
1672
02:07:47,415 --> 02:07:51,352
He came to be as he is
because things needed saying...
1673
02:07:51,453 --> 02:07:54,650
and the young people were the ones
who wanted to say them.
1674
02:07:54,957 --> 02:07:57,859
He somehow had an ear on his generation.
1675
02:07:58,061 --> 02:08:01,758
I don't have to tell you.
You know him, he's yours, Bob Dylan.
1676
02:08:05,903 --> 02:08:08,667
I ain't looking to compete with you
1677
02:08:09,040 --> 02:08:12,807
Beat or cheat or mistreat you
1678
02:08:13,378 --> 02:08:17,440
Simplify you, classify you
1679
02:08:17,650 --> 02:08:21,780
Deny, defy or crucify you
1680
02:08:21,888 --> 02:08:24,881
All I really want to do
1681
02:08:27,061 --> 02:08:30,224
Is, baby, be friends with you
1682
02:08:44,848 --> 02:08:46,076
I want to say thank you.
1683
02:08:46,183 --> 02:08:49,448
I want to say thank you.
I want to say thank you, I love you.
1684
02:08:49,553 --> 02:08:53,684
Well, it ain't no use
to sit and wonder why, baby
1685
02:08:55,727 --> 02:08:58,287
If you don't know by now
1686
02:08:58,564 --> 02:09:02,364
Johnny Cash was more like
a religious figure to me.
1687
02:09:03,135 --> 02:09:06,663
And there he was at Newport,
you know, standing side by side.
1688
02:09:07,040 --> 02:09:09,372
Meeting him was the high
thrill of a lifetime.
1689
02:09:09,476 --> 02:09:12,571
And, just the fact
that he had sung one of my songs...
1690
02:09:12,680 --> 02:09:16,013
was just unthinkable.
1691
02:09:16,250 --> 02:09:20,620
Johnny Cash and June Carter came by
after Bob had put a couple...
1692
02:09:20,722 --> 02:09:23,418
three tunes on tape for him,
this little portable machine.
1693
02:09:23,525 --> 02:09:25,652
Johnny called him out in the hall...
1694
02:09:27,230 --> 02:09:31,360
and Bob came back in a few minutes later,
he was holding this guitar and he says:
1695
02:09:31,467 --> 02:09:33,094
"He gave me his guitar."
1696
02:09:33,203 --> 02:09:35,523
Neuwirth was saying,
"Wow, that's an old country tradition.
1697
02:09:35,606 --> 02:09:38,234
"If somebody gives you a guitar,
that's a big honor, you know?"
1698
02:09:38,509 --> 02:09:41,138
This is called Hey, Mr. Tambourine Man.
1699
02:09:42,180 --> 02:09:44,080
"Please play a song for me."
1700
02:09:48,421 --> 02:09:53,154
Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man,
play a song for me
1701
02:09:53,693 --> 02:09:58,188
I'm not sleepy
and there is no place I'm going to
1702
02:09:59,733 --> 02:10:04,433
Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man,
play a song for me
1703
02:10:05,106 --> 02:10:07,802
In the jingle jangle morning
1704
02:10:07,943 --> 02:10:10,503
I'll come following you
1705
02:10:15,218 --> 02:10:18,585
Though I know that evening's empire
1706
02:10:18,688 --> 02:10:20,952
has returned into sand
1707
02:10:21,926 --> 02:10:26,625
Vanished from my hand
left me blindly here to stand
1708
02:10:26,731 --> 02:10:28,666
but still not sleeping
1709
02:10:30,235 --> 02:10:33,068
My weariness amazes me
1710
02:10:33,171 --> 02:10:35,606
I'm branded on my feet
1711
02:10:36,175 --> 02:10:38,473
I have no one to meet
1712
02:10:38,578 --> 02:10:43,516
And the ancient empty streets
too dead for dreaming
1713
02:10:44,585 --> 02:10:49,249
When Bob began to ignore topical material,
it bothered me...
1714
02:10:49,524 --> 02:10:52,186
'cause he wrote such marvelous material,
you know?
1715
02:10:54,229 --> 02:10:57,757
And suddenly to have stopped that
meant that he was going away...
1716
02:10:58,434 --> 02:11:02,427
from a political consciousness
that we felt we all had.
1717
02:11:02,538 --> 02:11:05,337
One can attribute that
as going commercial...
1718
02:11:06,743 --> 02:11:10,680
as getting away from this,
and that bothered us.
1719
02:11:11,349 --> 02:11:14,318
Then take me disappearing
1720
02:11:14,419 --> 02:11:17,047
through the smoke rings of my mind
1721
02:11:17,456 --> 02:11:20,016
Down the foggy ruins of time
1722
02:11:20,759 --> 02:11:23,159
far past the frozen leaves
1723
02:11:23,529 --> 02:11:26,363
The haunted, frightened trees
1724
02:11:26,666 --> 02:11:28,861
out to the windy beach
1725
02:11:28,968 --> 02:11:33,633
Far from the twisted reach of crazy sorrow
1726
02:11:34,942 --> 02:11:38,504
Yes, to dance beneath the diamond sky
1727
02:11:38,613 --> 02:11:40,979
with one hand waving free
1728
02:11:41,082 --> 02:11:43,846
Silhouetted by the sea
1729
02:11:43,952 --> 02:11:46,547
circled by the circus sands
1730
02:11:46,889 --> 02:11:49,653
With all memory and fate
1731
02:11:49,959 --> 02:11:52,690
driven deep beneath the waves
1732
02:11:52,863 --> 02:11:55,730
Let me forget about today
1733
02:11:55,833 --> 02:11:57,960
until tomorrow
1734
02:11:59,404 --> 02:12:02,271
An artist has got to be careful
never really to arrive at a place...
1735
02:12:02,373 --> 02:12:03,897
where he thinks he's "at" somewhere.
1736
02:12:04,008 --> 02:12:06,978
You always have to realize
that you're constantly...
1737
02:12:07,079 --> 02:12:09,206
in the state of becoming, you know?
1738
02:12:10,316 --> 02:12:14,151
And, as long as you can stay in that realm,
you'll sort of be all right.
1739
02:12:15,689 --> 02:12:19,683
I can't self-analyze my own work,
and I wasn't going to cater to the crowd...
1740
02:12:19,794 --> 02:12:23,560
because I knew certain people would like it,
and certain people didn't like it.
1741
02:12:23,664 --> 02:12:25,598
I had gotten in the door
when no one was looking.
1742
02:12:25,700 --> 02:12:28,829
I was in there now,
and there was nothing anybody...
1743
02:12:28,937 --> 02:12:31,098
from then on, could ever do about it.
1744
02:12:31,406 --> 02:12:36,242
There's a time when the operation
of the machine becomes so odious...
1745
02:12:37,046 --> 02:12:40,483
makes you so sick at heart
that you can't take part.
1746
02:12:40,584 --> 02:12:44,315
You can't even passively take part,
and you've got to put your bodies...
1747
02:12:44,421 --> 02:12:49,018
upon the gears and upon the wheels,
upon the levers, upon all the apparatus...
1748
02:12:49,127 --> 02:12:52,358
and you've got to make it stop,
and you've got to indicate to the people...
1749
02:12:52,464 --> 02:12:55,332
who run it, to the people who own it,
that unless you're free...
1750
02:12:55,434 --> 02:12:58,426
the machine will be prevented
from working at all.
1751
02:13:03,443 --> 02:13:07,174
The police have got Mario,
they are pulling him away.
1752
02:13:08,616 --> 02:13:10,447
The police have pulled Mario away...
1753
02:13:10,552 --> 02:13:15,320
All of us felt that those folks
before didn't get it.
1754
02:13:15,558 --> 02:13:17,082
We were surrounded...
1755
02:13:18,260 --> 02:13:21,593
by people who were insensitive
to the need for change.
1756
02:13:22,098 --> 02:13:25,158
And that's why Peter, Paul and Mary,
and Bob Dylan, Joan Baez...
1757
02:13:25,268 --> 02:13:29,501
all of whom were about the same age,
were put in positions of leadership...
1758
02:13:29,607 --> 02:13:33,634
because there was an identification
amongst the college students.
1759
02:13:35,179 --> 02:13:36,943
I felt it all over America.
1760
02:13:37,115 --> 02:13:41,313
You know, wherever in America you went,
you felt that things were happening...
1761
02:13:41,420 --> 02:13:43,150
in an Olympian type of way...
1762
02:13:43,423 --> 02:13:45,516
in which children were beyond
their parents' command.
1763
02:13:45,625 --> 02:13:48,355
He tried to exercise free speech...
1764
02:13:49,797 --> 02:13:53,631
Sometime around that period of time
I was painting in Berkeley...
1765
02:13:53,734 --> 02:13:56,259
and the phone rang,
and I think this was 1964.
1766
02:13:56,370 --> 02:13:57,930
The phone rang, it was Bob and he said:
1767
02:13:58,039 --> 02:14:00,166
"I have to do these shows,
you want to come?"
1768
02:14:00,275 --> 02:14:02,436
I said, "Well, I'm painting pictures."
1769
02:14:02,544 --> 02:14:06,242
He said, "I'll buy you a leather jacket,"
and he said, "all the paint you need."
1770
02:14:06,349 --> 02:14:09,216
The next thing I knew, you know,
I got on a plane...
1771
02:14:09,819 --> 02:14:11,583
and I flew to New York.
1772
02:14:11,688 --> 02:14:15,749
In those days, artistic success...
1773
02:14:16,827 --> 02:14:18,557
was not dollar-driven.
1774
02:14:20,732 --> 02:14:23,792
It was, you know...
Those were simpler times.
1775
02:14:24,335 --> 02:14:28,136
If you had something to say,
which was the...
1776
02:14:28,874 --> 02:14:31,035
Basically, the way people were rated...
1777
02:14:31,611 --> 02:14:33,909
you know, they'd say:
"Have you seen Ornette Coleman?
1778
02:14:34,014 --> 02:14:35,481
"Does he have anything to say?"
1779
02:14:35,582 --> 02:14:38,780
And it was the same with, like...
With Bob or anybody else.
1780
02:14:38,886 --> 02:14:40,581
Do they have anything to say or not?
1781
02:14:40,955 --> 02:14:44,482
Darkness at the break of noon
Shadows even the silver spoon
1782
02:14:44,592 --> 02:14:47,061
The handmade blade, the child's balloon
1783
02:14:47,162 --> 02:14:51,098
Eclipses both the sun and moon
To understand you know too soon
1784
02:14:51,199 --> 02:14:52,963
There is no sense in trying
1785
02:15:01,245 --> 02:15:03,736
As pointed threats, they bluff with scorn
1786
02:15:03,914 --> 02:15:07,146
Suicide remarks are torn
From the fool's gold mouthpiece
1787
02:15:07,252 --> 02:15:10,153
The hollow horn plays wasted words
Proves to warn
1788
02:15:10,255 --> 02:15:12,689
That he not busy being born
Is busy dying
1789
02:15:17,563 --> 02:15:19,428
Nobody had heard anything like this before.
1790
02:15:19,532 --> 02:15:22,331
No one had heard anything like this before.
1791
02:15:23,003 --> 02:15:25,198
There was a word of mouth.
1792
02:15:25,572 --> 02:15:29,009
And by the way, a crowd of 1,200 people
isn't that big a crowd...
1793
02:15:29,110 --> 02:15:30,600
if you stop and think about it.
1794
02:15:30,712 --> 02:15:33,146
That's about how many people
are waiting for the D train...
1795
02:15:33,247 --> 02:15:35,273
at Sheridan Square right now.
1796
02:15:36,118 --> 02:15:38,416
While preachers preach of evil fates
1797
02:15:38,520 --> 02:15:41,786
Teachers teach that knowledge waits
Can lead to hundred-dollar plates
1798
02:15:41,891 --> 02:15:45,520
Goodness hides behind its gates
But even the President of the United States
1799
02:15:45,628 --> 02:15:48,029
Sometimes must have to stand naked
1800
02:15:49,533 --> 02:15:52,331
Around that time he asked me
if I wanted to go with him to...
1801
02:15:52,436 --> 02:15:55,099
You know, he had a date in Chicago.
1802
02:15:55,207 --> 02:15:56,606
Did I want to come along?
1803
02:15:56,708 --> 02:16:00,041
What struck me was that he was at one...
1804
02:16:00,145 --> 02:16:02,876
or he became identical with his breath.
1805
02:16:03,950 --> 02:16:08,888
And Dylan had become a column of air,
so to speak, at certain moments...
1806
02:16:09,456 --> 02:16:12,914
where his total physical
and mental focus was...
1807
02:16:13,694 --> 02:16:18,098
this single breath coming out of his body.
1808
02:16:18,566 --> 02:16:22,799
He had a found a way in public
to be almost like a shaman...
1809
02:16:23,472 --> 02:16:26,373
with all of his intelligence
and consciousness...
1810
02:16:27,109 --> 02:16:28,974
focused on his breath.
1811
02:16:29,312 --> 02:16:32,338
So don't fear if you hear
1812
02:16:33,383 --> 02:16:36,842
A foreign sound to your ear
1813
02:16:40,224 --> 02:16:42,158
It's alright, Ma
1814
02:16:45,097 --> 02:16:46,655
I'm only sighing
1815
02:16:51,571 --> 02:16:54,631
He was doing more and more
prose writing, I think, at the time, too.
1816
02:16:54,741 --> 02:16:56,606
I think he was spending more time...
1817
02:16:56,709 --> 02:16:58,234
actually sitting down and writing stuff...
1818
02:16:58,345 --> 02:16:59,985
that he wasn't necessarily going to sing.
1819
02:17:00,014 --> 02:17:02,414
And then finding out
that some of that could be sung as well.
1820
02:17:02,550 --> 02:17:06,078
Of war and peace the truth just twists
1821
02:17:06,555 --> 02:17:09,115
Its curfew gull just glides
1822
02:17:15,565 --> 02:17:19,297
Upon four-legged forest clouds
1823
02:17:19,536 --> 02:17:22,334
The cowboy angel rides
1824
02:17:24,642 --> 02:17:26,439
The ideal performances of the songs...
1825
02:17:26,544 --> 02:17:28,637
would then come on stages
throughout the world.
1826
02:17:29,347 --> 02:17:32,374
Very few could be found
on any of my records.
1827
02:17:32,785 --> 02:17:36,585
Every second, every... You know...
1828
02:17:36,755 --> 02:17:39,192
Reaching the audience is what it's all about.
1829
02:17:39,292 --> 02:17:43,729
All except when 'neath the trees of Eden
1830
02:17:50,771 --> 02:17:55,072
There are no veils, curtains, doors, walls...
1831
02:17:55,177 --> 02:17:59,273
anything between
what pours out of Bob's hand...
1832
02:17:59,382 --> 02:18:00,781
onto the page...
1833
02:18:00,884 --> 02:18:05,719
and what is somehow available
to the core of people...
1834
02:18:05,822 --> 02:18:08,917
who are believers in him.
1835
02:18:09,026 --> 02:18:11,654
There's some people who'd say...
You know, not interested.
1836
02:18:11,762 --> 02:18:15,290
But if you're interested,
he goes way, way deep.
1837
02:18:17,435 --> 02:18:21,304
Go away from my window
1838
02:18:21,440 --> 02:18:24,841
Leave at your own chosen speed
1839
02:18:25,111 --> 02:18:26,476
A typical evening.
1840
02:18:27,180 --> 02:18:29,307
I guess there would be soundcheck.
1841
02:18:29,983 --> 02:18:33,077
And there would be me
dealing with what kind of mood...
1842
02:18:33,186 --> 02:18:34,779
Bob was going to be in.
1843
02:18:34,889 --> 02:18:37,858
I was already doing that, you know.
1844
02:18:38,559 --> 02:18:41,961
And when he was cheerful and up,
it was just spectacular.
1845
02:18:42,398 --> 02:18:45,128
And if he was dark,
there wasn't any way to reach him.
1846
02:18:45,234 --> 02:18:47,566
But always strong
1847
02:18:47,938 --> 02:18:51,999
Bob seemed to ignore
whatever was coming towards him.
1848
02:18:52,108 --> 02:18:53,700
He could literally, and I'd seen him do it...
1849
02:18:53,810 --> 02:18:56,803
turn his back and play a whole song,
play two songs.
1850
02:18:57,415 --> 02:18:59,679
Fiddling around with the equipment
on the stage.
1851
02:18:59,784 --> 02:19:01,274
And never even look at the public...
1852
02:19:01,385 --> 02:19:04,651
and it doesn't make the slightest bit
of difference in the magnetic draw.
1853
02:19:05,357 --> 02:19:07,197
It's as though the public
wasn't even there...
1854
02:19:07,292 --> 02:19:10,023
he's just going to do what he's going to do,
and he has to change.
1855
02:19:10,129 --> 02:19:13,792
And he has to keep moving, and he has to
add this and he has to crank the sound.
1856
02:19:13,900 --> 02:19:17,166
If you ever work with him, if he did
this song the night before as a waltz...
1857
02:19:17,271 --> 02:19:20,968
tonight he's gonna do it in 2/4 time,
just to fuck you up, you know?
1858
02:19:21,075 --> 02:19:23,601
And so,
with somebody who moves like that...
1859
02:19:24,579 --> 02:19:28,640
I now see it, that it's very unique...
1860
02:19:29,084 --> 02:19:32,646
and it's admirable, and it's a pain in the
ass if you're trying to work with him.
1861
02:19:32,755 --> 02:19:36,156
Or it's a pain in the ass if you were
expecting something else from him.
1862
02:19:36,258 --> 02:19:39,092
If everybody really listened
to his own conscience...
1863
02:19:39,196 --> 02:19:42,495
and really acted upon what he thought
was right and wrong...
1864
02:19:42,599 --> 02:19:45,626
rather than being so hopelessly passive...
1865
02:19:45,737 --> 02:19:47,602
which I think just about everybody is.
1866
02:19:47,705 --> 02:19:49,570
I think it's probably the main disease...
1867
02:19:49,674 --> 02:19:53,406
is the passivity, where we will listen
to whatever anybody else says.
1868
02:19:53,512 --> 02:19:57,381
It's Daddy, and Mommy, and schoolteacher,
and Sunday school teacher, and President.
1869
02:20:01,855 --> 02:20:04,381
This is what the war in Vietnam is all about.
1870
02:20:08,763 --> 02:20:10,526
The old and the very young.
1871
02:20:12,334 --> 02:20:16,464
The Marines have burned
this old couple's cottage...
1872
02:20:16,571 --> 02:20:19,040
because fire was coming from here.
1873
02:20:19,976 --> 02:20:23,468
The day's operation burned down
150 houses...
1874
02:20:23,813 --> 02:20:26,544
wounded three women, killed one baby...
1875
02:20:27,017 --> 02:20:31,249
wounded one Marine,
and netted these four prisoners.
1876
02:20:31,655 --> 02:20:35,717
Four old men who could not answer
questions put to them in English.
1877
02:21:06,896 --> 02:21:10,525
I was feeling this political
pull very strongly.
1878
02:21:10,834 --> 02:21:14,396
And I was thinking what the two of us
could do together, you know...
1879
02:21:14,638 --> 02:21:17,402
as far as any kind of movement, and that...
1880
02:21:18,342 --> 02:21:21,801
And so, we...
Our tour had come to an end...
1881
02:21:22,214 --> 02:21:25,741
and Bob said something like:
"Hey, we ought to do Carnegie Hall...
1882
02:21:26,084 --> 02:21:28,212
"or some big place like that."
1883
02:21:28,321 --> 02:21:31,017
And I said,
"What are we going to do with it?"
1884
02:21:33,092 --> 02:21:35,891
And... It was a pretty cold thing to say.
1885
02:21:36,230 --> 02:21:38,095
But then we did talk about...
1886
02:21:38,999 --> 02:21:43,027
you know, that he wanted to do his music
and I wanted to do all this other stuff...
1887
02:21:43,138 --> 02:21:45,470
and he said he didn't want to do
all that other stuff...
1888
02:21:45,573 --> 02:21:47,507
you know, so that was pretty clear.
1889
02:21:47,609 --> 02:21:49,407
And yeah, I was disappointed.
1890
02:21:49,512 --> 02:21:53,812
Oh my name it is nothing
1891
02:21:55,385 --> 02:21:58,980
My age it means less
1892
02:21:59,756 --> 02:22:03,591
I mean, he'd given us, by that point,
the greatest songs...
1893
02:22:03,794 --> 02:22:06,763
in our anti-war, civil rights arsenals.
1894
02:22:07,331 --> 02:22:10,995
Thirty-some years, whenever I go
to a march or a sit-in, or a lie-in...
1895
02:22:11,103 --> 02:22:14,834
or a be-in, or a jail-in,
people'd say, "Is Bob coming?"
1896
02:22:15,641 --> 02:22:18,406
I'd say, "He never comes, you moron!"
1897
02:22:18,678 --> 02:22:22,671
You know, "When are you going to get it?
Never did, probably never will."
1898
02:22:24,985 --> 02:22:26,475
And so I think he...
1899
02:22:27,121 --> 02:22:30,387
I think he couldn't have written songs
like the ones he wrote...
1900
02:22:30,492 --> 02:22:34,326
if he didn't feel generally,
I think, sort of, for the underdog.
1901
02:22:35,463 --> 02:22:39,798
But I think that he didn't want to have
to be the guy people were going to go to.
1902
02:22:40,002 --> 02:22:42,493
I mean, the times then were cut and dry.
1903
02:22:42,605 --> 02:22:44,801
You were either for the war
or you were against it.
1904
02:22:44,908 --> 02:22:48,776
You either hated niggers or, you know,
you supported King.
1905
02:22:49,413 --> 02:22:51,439
And you were forced to take a side.
1906
02:22:59,925 --> 02:23:02,359
Johnny's in a basement
Mixing up the medicine
1907
02:23:02,461 --> 02:23:05,090
I'm on the pavement
Thinking about the government
1908
02:23:05,198 --> 02:23:08,224
The man in the trench coat
badge out, laid off
1909
02:23:08,335 --> 02:23:11,065
Says he's got a bad cough
Wants to get it paid off
1910
02:23:11,171 --> 02:23:13,436
Look out kid
It's something you did
1911
02:23:13,541 --> 02:23:15,907
God knows when
But you're doing it again
1912
02:23:16,010 --> 02:23:17,705
You better duck down the alleyway
1913
02:23:17,812 --> 02:23:19,007
Looking for a new friend
1914
02:23:19,114 --> 02:23:21,105
The man in the coon-skin cap
In a pig pen
1915
02:23:21,216 --> 02:23:24,185
Wants eleven dollar bills
You only got ten
1916
02:23:29,993 --> 02:23:33,122
Maggie comes fleet foot
Face full of black soot
1917
02:23:33,230 --> 02:23:35,596
Talking that the heat put
plants in the bed but
1918
02:23:35,699 --> 02:23:38,224
The phone's tapped anyway
Maggie says that many say
1919
02:23:38,335 --> 02:23:40,998
They must bust in early May
Orders from the D.A.
1920
02:23:41,106 --> 02:23:43,768
Look out kid
Don't matter what you did
1921
02:23:43,875 --> 02:23:46,504
Walk on your tiptoes
Don't tie no dose
1922
02:23:46,612 --> 02:23:49,410
Better stay away from those
That carry around a fire hose
1923
02:23:49,515 --> 02:23:52,143
Keep a clean nose
Watch the plain clothes
1924
02:23:52,251 --> 02:23:56,018
You don't need a weather man
to know which way the wind blows
1925
02:23:56,523 --> 02:23:58,957
Words have their own meaning,
or they have different meanings...
1926
02:23:59,059 --> 02:24:00,960
and words change their meaning.
1927
02:24:01,062 --> 02:24:03,963
Words that meant something
10 years ago don't mean that now.
1928
02:24:04,065 --> 02:24:05,123
They mean something else.
1929
02:24:05,233 --> 02:24:07,225
Don't steal, don't lift
Twenty years of schooling
1930
02:24:07,336 --> 02:24:08,963
And they put you on the day shift
1931
02:24:09,071 --> 02:24:11,369
Look out kid
They keep it all hid
1932
02:24:11,473 --> 02:24:14,466
Better jump down a manhole
Light yourself a candle
1933
02:24:14,577 --> 02:24:17,569
Don't wear sandals
Try to avoid the scandals
1934
02:24:17,681 --> 02:24:19,774
Don't want to be a bum
You better chew gum
1935
02:24:19,883 --> 02:24:22,910
The pump don't work
'Cause the vandals took the handles
1936
02:24:24,755 --> 02:24:26,347
Subterranean Homesick Blues.
I mean...
1937
02:24:26,457 --> 02:24:28,517
I don't think I would have wanted to do it
all by myself.
1938
02:24:28,627 --> 02:24:33,257
I thought I'd get more power out of it,
you know, with a small group in back of me.
1939
02:24:33,465 --> 02:24:37,493
It was electric,
but doesn't necessarily mean...
1940
02:24:38,104 --> 02:24:41,871
that it's modernized
just because it's electric, you know?
1941
02:24:42,509 --> 02:24:45,478
It was, you know, like a...
1942
02:24:47,114 --> 02:24:48,605
Country music was electric, too.
1943
02:24:48,717 --> 02:24:50,810
I ain't gonna work
1944
02:24:50,919 --> 02:24:53,683
on Maggie's farm no more
1945
02:24:54,389 --> 02:24:58,326
The Bringing It All Back Home
session was really fun because...
1946
02:24:58,728 --> 02:25:02,859
it was this sort of spontaneous,
telepathic thing, you know?
1947
02:25:04,234 --> 02:25:08,671
Like he might have, you know,
played through a song very briefly...
1948
02:25:08,805 --> 02:25:13,470
and that was all the rehearsal or preparation
that anyone had for the songs.
1949
02:25:13,945 --> 02:25:18,406
Everyone was really good,
everyone was really funky, you know...
1950
02:25:18,517 --> 02:25:20,451
everyone had great time.
1951
02:25:21,520 --> 02:25:24,979
And everyone really
got behind Bobby's songs.
1952
02:25:25,558 --> 02:25:28,186
It was almost like just getting
together and jamming...
1953
02:25:28,294 --> 02:25:32,595
without any mandate
or any charts or anything.
1954
02:25:35,669 --> 02:25:40,334
I was riding on the Mayflower
when I thought I spied some land
1955
02:25:41,276 --> 02:25:43,767
He was playing all by himself, at first.
1956
02:25:43,880 --> 02:25:46,371
And then he stopped
and everybody laughed...
1957
02:25:47,049 --> 02:25:50,816
and then two seconds later,
he started it again...
1958
02:25:50,921 --> 02:25:53,947
and everybody came in just "bang,"
like gangbusters.
1959
02:25:54,291 --> 02:25:58,626
I was riding on the Mayflower
when I thought I spied some land
1960
02:25:59,130 --> 02:26:03,191
I yelled for Captain Arab
I have you understand
1961
02:26:03,668 --> 02:26:08,003
Who came running to the deck
Said, "Boys forget the whale
1962
02:26:08,207 --> 02:26:12,440
"Look on over yonder
Cut the engines change the sail
1963
02:26:13,046 --> 02:26:16,982
Haul on the bowline"
We sang that melody
1964
02:26:17,083 --> 02:26:21,521
Like all tough sailors do
When they're far away at sea
1965
02:26:22,323 --> 02:26:24,086
I mean, the whole culture
has moved and changed.
1966
02:26:24,192 --> 02:26:25,524
This is really what we're announcing.
1967
02:26:25,627 --> 02:26:28,152
The entire culture, both in America
and England has changed.
1968
02:26:28,263 --> 02:26:31,096
There's a whole new generation
that's grown up, everybody.
1969
02:26:31,200 --> 02:26:32,828
Do people at the Museum of Modern Art...
1970
02:26:32,936 --> 02:26:34,836
and the Metropolitan know about this,
do you think?
1971
02:26:34,938 --> 02:26:37,771
Do they know that culture has changed,
that there's a new generation?
1972
02:26:37,874 --> 02:26:39,274
Well, they have been in the foreground...
1973
02:26:39,376 --> 02:26:41,469
of showing all this new pop art themselves,
you know.
1974
02:26:41,579 --> 02:26:44,013
Warhol will be there in Albert Hall,
and Warhol's on the walls...
1975
02:26:44,114 --> 02:26:46,982
of the Museum of Modern Art
for the last five years.
1976
02:26:54,527 --> 02:26:57,724
There were signs of new life,
of another generation picking up...
1977
02:26:57,830 --> 02:27:01,028
a revolution in consciousness.
A bloodless revolution.
1978
02:27:01,602 --> 02:27:04,469
You know, like the first revolution
that never shed any blood.
1979
02:27:04,805 --> 02:27:06,204
That was the important thing.
1980
02:27:06,306 --> 02:27:08,298
I had just been kicked out of Cuba...
1981
02:27:08,409 --> 02:27:09,876
for just talking privately...
1982
02:27:09,978 --> 02:27:14,006
about Castro's persecution of gay people.
1983
02:27:14,116 --> 02:27:18,985
Then went to Czechoslovakia,
was elected King of May on May Day.
1984
02:27:19,355 --> 02:27:23,122
A week later was kicked out by the Minister
of Education and deported to London...
1985
02:27:23,226 --> 02:27:28,062
and then I landed around the time
of Dylan's concerts at Albert Hall.
1986
02:27:28,499 --> 02:27:31,730
There was a very exciting scene,
back at the hotel...
1987
02:27:32,069 --> 02:27:35,437
and Dylan was down the hall
with the Beatles.
1988
02:27:36,041 --> 02:27:39,135
Then a message came
that I was supposed to come in there.
1989
02:27:39,244 --> 02:27:42,442
So I came into the room
and everybody was sitting there...
1990
02:27:42,549 --> 02:27:45,848
totally stone-cold silent, frozen, paranoid.
1991
02:27:46,319 --> 02:27:48,618
Not quite knowing my place, knowing Bob...
1992
02:27:48,722 --> 02:27:52,055
I sat down on the side of his armchair.
1993
02:27:52,326 --> 02:27:55,922
John Lennon said snidely,
"Why don't you sit a little closer?"
1994
02:27:56,898 --> 02:28:00,231
I suddenly realized they were just so naive,
they were young.
1995
02:28:00,669 --> 02:28:04,299
So I actually, I fell over laughing
on to John's lap...
1996
02:28:05,675 --> 02:28:08,644
looking up at him and asked him,
"Do you ever read William Blake?"
1997
02:28:08,744 --> 02:28:12,647
He said, "Never heard of him."
And his wife said, "Oh, John, stop lying."
1998
02:28:12,849 --> 02:28:15,579
Then everybody began laughing,
and then the scene sort of broke up.
1999
02:28:15,686 --> 02:28:17,552
You know, the ice was broken.
2000
02:28:17,956 --> 02:28:21,323
It stuck me as funny
that these guys at the summit of power...
2001
02:28:21,793 --> 02:28:25,025
spiritual power, musical power,
world fame...
2002
02:28:25,264 --> 02:28:27,198
'65, May... June...
2003
02:28:28,100 --> 02:28:30,763
were so unsure...
2004
02:28:31,037 --> 02:28:33,631
of their minds and speech.
2005
02:28:41,248 --> 02:28:43,045
It interested me just to watch Dylan.
2006
02:28:43,150 --> 02:28:46,712
I could sort of see
that things that he did and said...
2007
02:28:47,222 --> 02:28:48,814
were interesting to me.
2008
02:28:49,391 --> 02:28:53,852
And I didn't know why, and so that got me
hooked on making a movie.
2009
02:28:53,963 --> 02:28:56,193
- Do you really like that song?
- Yeah, it's fantastic.
2010
02:28:56,299 --> 02:28:58,029
- What do you like about it?
- I just...
2011
02:28:58,135 --> 02:29:00,569
I don't like any of the
Subterranean Homesick Blues.
2012
02:29:00,671 --> 02:29:03,572
Oh, you're that kind of...
Okay, see, I understand right now.
2013
02:29:03,674 --> 02:29:07,202
When we'd go into a town,
there would be no sign...
2014
02:29:08,113 --> 02:29:11,777
and there would be people,
kind of, just hanging out at the steps...
2015
02:29:12,785 --> 02:29:14,616
waiting for him to...
2016
02:29:14,720 --> 02:29:17,814
And not waiting to crowd around
or see him or get his autograph.
2017
02:29:17,923 --> 02:29:19,414
Just waiting for him.
2018
02:29:19,793 --> 02:29:24,162
And it gave you a feeling that there
was some substance that you had to really...
2019
02:29:24,798 --> 02:29:27,825
see through, that you weren't
going to find out about this quickly.
2020
02:29:27,935 --> 02:29:29,775
But you had to kind of see it
the way they did.
2021
02:29:30,405 --> 02:29:33,933
In the dime stores and bus stations
2022
02:29:35,044 --> 02:29:37,478
People talk over situations
2023
02:29:38,914 --> 02:29:41,782
Read books and repeat quotations
2024
02:29:42,085 --> 02:29:45,612
Draw conclusions on the wall
2025
02:29:48,659 --> 02:29:51,389
Some speak of the future
2026
02:29:52,930 --> 02:29:55,900
My love she speaks softly
2027
02:29:56,301 --> 02:29:59,395
She knows there's no success like failure
2028
02:29:59,905 --> 02:30:03,137
And that failure's no success at all
2029
02:30:05,044 --> 02:30:07,035
Do you care about what you sing?
2030
02:30:07,781 --> 02:30:10,181
How could I answer that
if you got the nerve to ask me?
2031
02:30:10,284 --> 02:30:11,284
Well, then you have...
2032
02:30:11,385 --> 02:30:14,013
I mean, you've got a lot of nerve
asking me a question like that.
2033
02:30:14,121 --> 02:30:15,316
Do you ask the Beatles that?
2034
02:30:15,423 --> 02:30:18,824
I have to ask you that, because you have
the nerve to question whether I can...
2035
02:30:18,927 --> 02:30:21,988
I'm not questioning you,
because I don't expect any answer from you.
2036
02:30:22,098 --> 02:30:26,034
But do you think somebody wouldn't go see
somebody if they didn't want entertainment?
2037
02:30:26,736 --> 02:30:30,036
In the dime stores and bus stations
2038
02:30:30,140 --> 02:30:31,664
We showed him the first rough cut.
2039
02:30:31,775 --> 02:30:35,576
What he saw must have made him look like
he was bare bones...
2040
02:30:36,147 --> 02:30:37,978
and I think that was a big shock to him.
2041
02:30:38,082 --> 02:30:42,144
But then he saw, I think the second night,
he saw that it was total theater.
2042
02:30:42,421 --> 02:30:43,513
It didn't matter.
2043
02:30:43,622 --> 02:30:47,786
He was like an actor,
and he suddenly had reinvented himself...
2044
02:30:47,893 --> 02:30:51,091
as the actor within this movie,
and then it was okay.
2045
02:30:51,765 --> 02:30:54,700
That's what he's good at,
is getting used to the way things are.
2046
02:30:54,801 --> 02:30:57,669
I mean, he understands
that time changes everything.
2047
02:30:57,772 --> 02:31:01,037
They didn't light places,
they didn't have to stop filming.
2048
02:31:01,142 --> 02:31:03,008
If you ran, they ran.
2049
02:31:03,411 --> 02:31:06,278
If you went in a room,
they went into the room.
2050
02:31:06,548 --> 02:31:10,986
And you know, at a certain point,
you just became oblivious to that.
2051
02:31:29,741 --> 02:31:32,939
I was young, and I had expectations.
2052
02:31:33,045 --> 02:31:35,411
And wanted to be where the action was...
2053
02:31:35,514 --> 02:31:38,882
and I should not have been there
at that time.
2054
02:31:38,985 --> 02:31:42,352
Everybody was having a wonderful time
and they were all smashing things up...
2055
02:31:42,455 --> 02:31:45,721
in the hotel room, and I was
this weird square over in my room...
2056
02:31:45,827 --> 02:31:47,590
who didn't do all that stuff.
2057
02:31:47,695 --> 02:31:51,291
I was very critical of everybody who did,
and wanted my time with Bob...
2058
02:31:51,400 --> 02:31:55,336
because I thought he was a special friend,
and he had moved on.
2059
02:31:56,371 --> 02:31:59,773
And it was awful.
I mean, it just hurt like hell.
2060
02:31:59,876 --> 02:32:04,074
I thought, I assumed, that since
I'd invited him on the stage in the States...
2061
02:32:04,214 --> 02:32:07,446
he would invite me on the stage there.
He had no intention of doing that.
2062
02:32:07,551 --> 02:32:08,848
- Bob?
- Bob?
2063
02:32:12,324 --> 02:32:16,055
He was ready to have that whole stage
all to himself, that's what I'd say.
2064
02:32:16,161 --> 02:32:18,595
He didn't want anybody competing with it.
2065
02:32:18,998 --> 02:32:20,863
That's as close as I can get.
2066
02:32:21,300 --> 02:32:24,827
You know,
it was probably a stupid thing to do...
2067
02:32:26,173 --> 02:32:31,110
not letting her play, but you can't be wise
and in love at the same time, so...
2068
02:32:32,679 --> 02:32:36,116
I hope she'd see the light
sooner or later on that.
2069
02:32:36,417 --> 02:32:39,682
Bob is one of the most complex
human beings I've ever met...
2070
02:32:40,723 --> 02:32:44,056
I think at first I really tried
to figure this guy out. No.
2071
02:32:45,094 --> 02:32:46,995
I gave it up, and so I don't know.
2072
02:32:47,097 --> 02:32:50,157
I don't know what he thought about,
all I know is what he gave us.
2073
02:32:50,267 --> 02:32:54,102
The crash on the highway
threw the car into a field
2074
02:32:55,339 --> 02:32:59,139
Turn, turn, turn again
2075
02:33:00,011 --> 02:33:03,971
Four people killed with him at the wheel
2076
02:33:05,050 --> 02:33:09,351
Turn, turn to the rain
And the wind
2077
02:33:11,524 --> 02:33:14,926
The poetry, it tumbles out.
And I watched him write...
2078
02:33:15,029 --> 02:33:17,520
at the typewriter or writing... It's done.
2079
02:33:17,665 --> 02:33:18,825
Do you remember that goddamn song?
2080
02:33:18,933 --> 02:33:21,596
That love is just a four-letter word
2081
02:33:21,703 --> 02:33:26,163
I never finished that song. Did I?
No, I never finished it.
2082
02:33:26,274 --> 02:33:27,332
Oh, God!
2083
02:33:27,442 --> 02:33:29,604
- You finished it about eight different ways.
- Did I?
2084
02:33:29,712 --> 02:33:34,115
I stole Four Letter Word, I took that
and disappeared with it, and sang it...
2085
02:33:34,750 --> 02:33:37,379
and I think the next Bob knew about it,
he heard it on the radio.
2086
02:33:37,487 --> 02:33:41,446
I was with him when he heard it
on the radio and he was listening, he said:
2087
02:33:41,558 --> 02:33:43,424
"That's a great song."
2088
02:33:43,528 --> 02:33:45,962
That's a great song.
He didn't remember he had written it.
2089
02:33:46,064 --> 02:33:48,658
I said, "You wrote it, you dope."
2090
02:33:49,000 --> 02:33:51,602
Strange it is to be beside you
2091
02:33:51,704 --> 02:33:54,070
Many years of tables turned
2092
02:33:54,940 --> 02:33:59,241
You'd probably not believe me
if I told you all I've learned
2093
02:34:00,280 --> 02:34:04,012
And it is very very weird indeed
2094
02:34:05,619 --> 02:34:09,954
To hear words like forever and free
2095
02:34:10,125 --> 02:34:14,289
So ships run through my mind
I cannot cheat
2096
02:34:16,031 --> 02:34:19,900
It's like looking
in the teacher's face complete
2097
02:34:21,337 --> 02:34:25,240
I can say nothing to you but repeat
2098
02:34:25,342 --> 02:34:28,937
What I heard
2099
02:34:29,313 --> 02:34:32,181
That love is just a four-letter
2100
02:34:32,283 --> 02:34:34,808
Love is just a four-letter
2101
02:34:34,919 --> 02:34:38,981
Love is just a four-letter word
2102
02:34:44,931 --> 02:34:48,792
Hey Mr. Tambourine Man
2103
02:34:49,002 --> 02:34:51,665
Play a song for me
2104
02:34:52,073 --> 02:34:53,973
I'm not sleepy
2105
02:34:54,075 --> 02:34:58,638
And there ain't no place I'm going to
2106
02:35:00,549 --> 02:35:03,575
A lot of my songs, they were becoming
hits for other people.
2107
02:35:03,685 --> 02:35:05,745
There was, the Byrds had a big hit.
2108
02:35:05,855 --> 02:35:08,346
Some group called the Turtles had some hit.
2109
02:35:08,725 --> 02:35:12,161
Sonny and Cher had a hit
with a song of mine.
2110
02:35:12,263 --> 02:35:14,629
People were sort of writing
a jingly-jangly kind of song...
2111
02:35:14,732 --> 02:35:18,634
which seemed to have something to do
with me, I, you know, like, "okay..."
2112
02:35:19,271 --> 02:35:22,832
You know, I Got Me, Babe, is some kind of
take-off of me, something I wrote.
2113
02:35:22,941 --> 02:35:25,774
Well, I don't know what it was a take-off
on that I wrote, you know?
2114
02:35:25,877 --> 02:35:28,904
I didn't really like that sound...
2115
02:35:30,016 --> 02:35:33,453
or folk-rock, whatever that was, I didn't
feel that had anything to do with me.
2116
02:35:33,554 --> 02:35:36,546
It got me thinking about the
Billboard charts and the songs...
2117
02:35:36,657 --> 02:35:39,922
which become popular,
which I hadn't thought of that before.
2118
02:35:40,295 --> 02:35:42,729
Once upon a time you dressed so fine
2119
02:35:42,831 --> 02:35:46,892
You threw the bums a dime
in your prime, didn't you?
2120
02:35:49,805 --> 02:35:53,036
I found myself writing
this song, this story...
2121
02:35:53,944 --> 02:35:58,472
this long piece of vomit,
20 pages long, and out of it...
2122
02:35:58,982 --> 02:36:02,851
I took Like A Rolling Stone,
and made it as a single...
2123
02:36:02,954 --> 02:36:05,218
and I'd never written
anything like that before.
2124
02:36:05,323 --> 02:36:09,158
And it suddenly came to me
that was what I should do.
2125
02:36:09,595 --> 02:36:14,498
After writing that, I wasn't interested
in writing a novel or a play or anything.
2126
02:36:14,600 --> 02:36:17,661
Like I knew I just had too much,
I wanted to write songs.
2127
02:36:17,770 --> 02:36:19,795
About having to scrounge
2128
02:36:20,406 --> 02:36:25,140
Your next meal
2129
02:36:35,458 --> 02:36:38,393
Mike Bloomfield said he had heard
my first record...
2130
02:36:39,629 --> 02:36:42,861
and said he wanted to show me
how the blues were played...
2131
02:36:43,167 --> 02:36:46,102
and I didn't feel much competitive...
2132
02:36:46,470 --> 02:36:51,067
I didn't feel much competitive with him,
he could outplay anybody, even at that...
2133
02:36:51,376 --> 02:36:53,970
at that point, you know.
2134
02:36:54,445 --> 02:36:58,473
But when it was time
to bring in a guitar player on my record...
2135
02:36:58,584 --> 02:37:00,745
I couldn't think of anybody but him.
2136
02:37:01,220 --> 02:37:03,849
I mean, he just was the best guitar player
I ever heard.
2137
02:37:03,957 --> 02:37:06,721
Okay, Bob. We've got everybody here,
let's do one. And then...
2138
02:37:06,826 --> 02:37:10,194
A producer named Tom Wilson
invited me to a recording session.
2139
02:37:10,498 --> 02:37:13,934
And me being 21 years old
and incredibly ambitious...
2140
02:37:14,035 --> 02:37:18,666
and a big Bob Dylan fan, I decided
I was going to play on that session.
2141
02:37:18,874 --> 02:37:22,605
There was another guitar player
who sat down, and was warming up...
2142
02:37:22,911 --> 02:37:25,745
and just was playing far beyond my abilities.
2143
02:37:26,182 --> 02:37:28,514
And he turned out to be Mike Bloomfield.
2144
02:37:28,618 --> 02:37:33,283
I packed up my guitar, and I went into
the control room where I belonged.
2145
02:37:33,891 --> 02:37:37,885
After the first couple of hours
of the session, they moved...
2146
02:37:40,065 --> 02:37:42,329
the organ player over to piano.
2147
02:37:45,771 --> 02:37:48,365
And I said,
"Well, here's another chance for me."
2148
02:37:48,708 --> 02:37:50,903
So I said to Tom Wilson:
2149
02:37:52,212 --> 02:37:53,577
"Why don't you let me play the organ?
2150
02:37:53,680 --> 02:37:56,774
"I got a great part for this,"
which was total bullshit.
2151
02:38:00,521 --> 02:38:04,924
And Tom Wilson said,
"Oh, man, you don't play the organ.
2152
02:38:05,026 --> 02:38:06,688
"You're a guitar player."
2153
02:38:07,496 --> 02:38:10,021
I said, "I got a really good part for this,
I can play it."
2154
02:38:10,132 --> 02:38:12,032
He said, "Al."
2155
02:38:12,602 --> 02:38:15,730
And just then someone came and got him...
2156
02:38:16,106 --> 02:38:18,574
to take a phone call that came in for him.
2157
02:38:18,808 --> 02:38:20,470
So he didn't say no.
2158
02:38:20,878 --> 02:38:25,247
Like a Rolling Stone, remake, Take One.
2159
02:38:26,250 --> 02:38:27,946
What are you doing there?
2160
02:38:28,420 --> 02:38:32,823
At that point,
he really could have just busted me...
2161
02:38:32,924 --> 02:38:35,086
and got me back in the control room.
2162
02:38:36,629 --> 02:38:41,465
But he was a very gracious man.
And so he let it go.
2163
02:38:42,036 --> 02:38:43,799
And so I began to play.
2164
02:38:44,004 --> 02:38:46,302
In the verses, in the beginning,
you hear me come in...
2165
02:38:46,407 --> 02:38:48,876
always an eighth note behind the band.
2166
02:38:49,244 --> 02:38:51,235
To make sure that I played the right chord...
2167
02:38:51,346 --> 02:38:54,111
the band would go... And I'd go like that.
2168
02:38:56,585 --> 02:38:57,643
Like that.
2169
02:38:57,753 --> 02:38:59,414
They started playing it back.
2170
02:38:59,522 --> 02:39:02,686
After about a verse or two,
Bob said to Tom Wilson.;
2171
02:39:03,193 --> 02:39:04,592
"Hey, turn the organ up."
2172
02:39:04,695 --> 02:39:08,894
And Tom Wilson said to Bob,
"Oh, man, that guy's not an organ player.
2173
02:39:09,000 --> 02:39:10,092
"He's just..."
2174
02:39:10,201 --> 02:39:13,136
And then Bob said,
"I don't care, turn the organ up."
2175
02:39:23,183 --> 02:39:27,847
Once upon a time you dressed so fine
threw the bums a dime in your prime
2176
02:39:29,323 --> 02:39:30,620
didn't you?
2177
02:39:33,394 --> 02:39:36,228
People'd call, say,
"Beware doll, you're bound to fall"
2178
02:39:36,331 --> 02:39:39,823
You thought they were all kidding you
2179
02:39:44,073 --> 02:39:47,565
You used to laugh about
2180
02:39:49,112 --> 02:39:52,605
Everybody that was hanging out
2181
02:39:53,417 --> 02:39:56,615
Now you don't talk so loud
2182
02:39:58,256 --> 02:40:01,714
Now you don't seem so proud
2183
02:40:02,861 --> 02:40:05,126
About having to be scrounging
2184
02:40:06,399 --> 02:40:08,833
your next meal
2185
02:40:11,471 --> 02:40:13,371
How does it feel
2186
02:40:16,643 --> 02:40:18,202
How does it feel
2187
02:40:21,215 --> 02:40:23,274
To be without a home
2188
02:40:26,488 --> 02:40:28,615
Like a complete unknown
2189
02:40:30,826 --> 02:40:33,523
Like a rolling stone
2190
02:40:38,436 --> 02:40:40,870
Like a Rolling Stone
definitely broke through somewhere.
2191
02:40:40,971 --> 02:40:44,498
I didn't feel like radio had ever played
a song like that before.
2192
02:40:44,909 --> 02:40:47,174
I know I'd never heard
a song like that before.
2193
02:40:47,279 --> 02:40:48,507
So...
2194
02:40:49,815 --> 02:40:53,252
And everything I'd done up to that
point had led up to...
2195
02:40:53,553 --> 02:40:55,578
writing a song like that, just effortlessly.
2196
02:40:55,688 --> 02:40:59,819
Like a Rolling Stone originally had
about 50-some verses, as I recall.
2197
02:41:00,761 --> 02:41:03,491
And people who think it's long now,
you know...
2198
02:41:04,198 --> 02:41:06,360
should have had a look at it
when it was raw.
2199
02:41:06,468 --> 02:41:09,369
I think he always made exactly the works
that he wanted to make...
2200
02:41:09,471 --> 02:41:13,101
At the time he wanted to make it.
The audience came to Bob.
2201
02:41:13,342 --> 02:41:16,436
And that's one of the things
that makes him so unique...
2202
02:41:16,545 --> 02:41:19,947
in the history of American music,
is the audience came to Bob Dylan.
2203
02:41:20,083 --> 02:41:21,516
I've never been that kind of performer...
2204
02:41:21,618 --> 02:41:25,486
that wants to be one of them, you know,
like one of the crowd.
2205
02:41:27,758 --> 02:41:30,022
I don't try to endear myself that way.
2206
02:41:30,361 --> 02:41:34,264
Now, do performers look for applause?
Yeah, yes and no.
2207
02:41:34,900 --> 02:41:37,027
It really depends
what kind of performer you are.
2208
02:41:37,135 --> 02:41:40,594
Like the story of Billie Holiday, you know...
2209
02:41:40,707 --> 02:41:44,006
when she sang Strange Fruit
for the first time, nobody applauded.
2210
02:41:44,110 --> 02:41:48,480
You know, you could leave somebody
kind of in a spellbound way and...
2211
02:41:50,784 --> 02:41:55,245
I don't know.
There's a lot of things going on...
2212
02:41:55,357 --> 02:41:58,349
when there's a performer on stage
and there's an audience out there.
2213
02:42:15,847 --> 02:42:17,815
That weekend, my daughter had been born.
2214
02:42:17,916 --> 02:42:21,408
Pete Seeger had made a recording of her.
And he played it.
2215
02:42:21,519 --> 02:42:23,439
He opened the night on Sunday night
at Newport...
2216
02:42:23,522 --> 02:42:25,786
and he played this little recording
of a new baby, he says.;
2217
02:42:25,891 --> 02:42:27,916
"Here's the first folk
song, the first voice...
2218
02:42:28,027 --> 02:42:31,759
"and we're dedicating this festival
and this music and our purposes..."
2219
02:42:31,865 --> 02:42:35,596
"to this new child, and the new world
that she's going to grow up in."
2220
02:42:35,869 --> 02:42:39,738
And that was kind of, you know...
That's the way the evening began.
2221
02:42:40,274 --> 02:42:44,177
I was walking around in the afternoon
and Albert Grossman took me aside...
2222
02:42:44,279 --> 02:42:46,270
and said, "Bob is looking for you."
2223
02:42:47,182 --> 02:42:51,176
And he took me to Bob and Bob said,
"I want to play Sunday night...
2224
02:42:51,287 --> 02:42:54,290
"and try and reproduce
what we did on the album."
2225
02:42:55,325 --> 02:42:56,519
And I said:
2226
02:42:57,227 --> 02:42:58,819
"Okay. Sounds great."
2227
02:42:59,496 --> 02:43:00,963
Ladies and gentlemen...
2228
02:43:02,533 --> 02:43:04,764
the person that's going to come up now...
2229
02:43:07,372 --> 02:43:09,567
has a limited amount of time.
2230
02:43:11,744 --> 02:43:14,975
His name is Bob Dylan.
2231
02:43:38,508 --> 02:43:42,069
I ain't gonna work
on Maggie's farm no more
2232
02:43:47,852 --> 02:43:51,652
No, I ain't gonna work
on Maggie's farm no more
2233
02:43:57,329 --> 02:44:01,027
Well, I try my best to be just like I am
2234
02:44:01,167 --> 02:44:04,534
But everybody wants you to be
just like them
2235
02:44:04,771 --> 02:44:07,900
They say sing while you slave
I just get bored
2236
02:44:08,442 --> 02:44:12,503
I ain't gonna work
on Maggie's farm no more
2237
02:44:19,821 --> 02:44:22,689
He sang that song, "I ain't going to work
on Maggie's farm no more."
2238
02:44:22,792 --> 02:44:25,317
I said, "Hey look,
he's taking that old Penny's Farm...
2239
02:44:25,428 --> 02:44:28,489
"and putting it somewhere else.
That's terrific."
2240
02:44:28,598 --> 02:44:30,964
I thought that was interesting.
2241
02:44:31,835 --> 02:44:36,398
But the volume of the blues band
was kind of wild...
2242
02:44:36,541 --> 02:44:38,873
and you couldn't get the words too clearly.
2243
02:44:39,343 --> 02:44:43,303
I ain't gonna work for Maggie's ma no more
2244
02:44:47,553 --> 02:44:51,388
No, I ain't gonna work
for Maggie's ma no more
2245
02:44:59,233 --> 02:45:03,500
Well, she talks to all the servants
about man and God and law
2246
02:45:03,705 --> 02:45:07,266
Everybody says she's the brains behind pa
2247
02:45:07,375 --> 02:45:10,311
She's 72 but she says she's 24
2248
02:45:11,748 --> 02:45:15,275
I ain't gonna work for Maggie's ma no more
2249
02:45:18,655 --> 02:45:22,216
It was not possible
to share the kind of intimacy...
2250
02:45:22,326 --> 02:45:23,886
that we were sharing with folk music...
2251
02:45:23,928 --> 02:45:26,658
when you've got
those electric instruments going.
2252
02:45:26,765 --> 02:45:30,702
The moment you've got drums there,
everything has got to come up in level.
2253
02:45:36,075 --> 02:45:37,543
The sound was a bit harsh.
2254
02:45:37,644 --> 02:45:39,737
But we thought it was way cool.
2255
02:45:40,046 --> 02:45:41,741
And what we noticed was...
2256
02:45:43,116 --> 02:45:46,746
about a third of the audience
was booing, which was unheard of...
2257
02:45:46,854 --> 02:45:48,754
not in all our days of seeing...
2258
02:45:48,856 --> 02:45:51,348
whatever kind of show
had we ever seen that.
2259
02:45:53,629 --> 02:45:57,691
I remember understanding
that drugs were bad and alcohol was bad...
2260
02:45:57,967 --> 02:46:01,494
and rock 'n' roll was wicked
and sex was bad.
2261
02:46:01,671 --> 02:46:06,302
And so I thought, "Oh, my goodness,
how depraved this is all getting."
2262
02:46:06,410 --> 02:46:07,468
All right!
2263
02:46:09,113 --> 02:46:13,175
I was thinking that somebody was shouting,
"Are you with us? Are you with us?"
2264
02:46:13,518 --> 02:46:16,749
And, you know,
I don't know what that, you know, like...
2265
02:46:16,855 --> 02:46:18,323
What was that supposed to mean?
2266
02:46:18,424 --> 02:46:20,221
I had no idea why they were booing.
2267
02:46:20,326 --> 02:46:25,230
I don't think anybody was there
having a negative response to those...
2268
02:46:26,033 --> 02:46:27,227
songs, though.
2269
02:46:28,268 --> 02:46:32,000
I mean, whatever it was about,
it wasn't about...
2270
02:46:32,340 --> 02:46:34,331
anything that they were hearing.
2271
02:46:34,475 --> 02:46:38,309
Well, he hands you a nickel
Hands you a dime
2272
02:46:38,881 --> 02:46:42,373
Asks you with a grin
if you're having a good time
2273
02:46:42,518 --> 02:46:45,351
And he fines you every time
you slam the door
2274
02:46:46,022 --> 02:46:49,981
I ain't gonna work
for Maggie's brother no more
2275
02:46:50,460 --> 02:46:52,394
You could not understand the words.
2276
02:46:52,496 --> 02:46:56,091
And I was frantic.
I said, "Get that distortion out."
2277
02:46:56,200 --> 02:46:59,932
It was so raspy,
you could not understand a word.
2278
02:47:00,372 --> 02:47:04,035
And I ran over to the sound system,
"Get that distortion out of Bob's voice."
2279
02:47:04,142 --> 02:47:06,509
"No, this is the way they want to have it."
2280
02:47:06,613 --> 02:47:09,514
I said, "God damn it, it's terrible.
You can't understand it.
2281
02:47:09,616 --> 02:47:13,108
"If I had an axe,
I'd chop the mike cable right now."
2282
02:47:13,888 --> 02:47:17,824
Oh, you've gone to the finest school
all right, Miss Lonely
2283
02:47:17,925 --> 02:47:21,521
but you know you only used to get
juiced in it
2284
02:47:23,398 --> 02:47:26,959
Nobody's ever taught you how to live
out on the street
2285
02:47:27,068 --> 02:47:29,902
And now you're gonna have to get used to it
2286
02:47:32,808 --> 02:47:35,642
We ran backstage and there was
mayhem going on.
2287
02:47:35,746 --> 02:47:38,613
Pete Seeger and Theodore Bikel
and all the old guard...
2288
02:47:38,715 --> 02:47:41,947
the old leftist, protest-singing factions...
2289
02:47:42,053 --> 02:47:46,217
were horrified and thought:
"This is pop music, this isn't folk music."
2290
02:47:46,324 --> 02:47:49,658
And there was just a big battle
raging backstage and...
2291
02:47:49,762 --> 02:47:52,424
Pete, I understand Pete Seeger had an axe...
2292
02:47:52,531 --> 02:47:56,161
and was going to go cut the electric cables
and had to be...
2293
02:47:56,403 --> 02:47:58,769
you know, subdued...
2294
02:47:59,039 --> 02:48:03,443
and Theodore Bikel was saying,
"This is what the young people want!
2295
02:48:03,544 --> 02:48:06,604
"We have to go with the change,
this is what's happening now."
2296
02:48:06,714 --> 02:48:08,306
So they were all arguing among themselves.
2297
02:48:08,416 --> 02:48:10,078
Seeger...
2298
02:48:11,420 --> 02:48:15,550
from all reports, was very upset by this.
2299
02:48:15,658 --> 02:48:19,992
And I had heard that he tried to cut
the wires and that he'd gone into a car...
2300
02:48:20,096 --> 02:48:22,725
and wouldn't come out
after this whole thing.
2301
02:48:22,833 --> 02:48:25,165
That's not my interpretation. You see...
2302
02:48:25,502 --> 02:48:28,869
Pete's father was there, Charlie Seeger...
2303
02:48:29,239 --> 02:48:32,698
and he had a hearing aid,
and Charlie was very distressed...
2304
02:48:32,911 --> 02:48:35,072
when he couldn't hear things clearly.
2305
02:48:35,180 --> 02:48:37,741
And with all this sound coming
from the speakers...
2306
02:48:37,850 --> 02:48:41,547
Charlie Seeger was quite upset.
And I think that affected Pete.
2307
02:48:41,787 --> 02:48:45,019
You used to ride the chrome horse
with your diplomat
2308
02:48:45,993 --> 02:48:49,451
Who carried on his shoulder a Siamese cat
2309
02:48:50,598 --> 02:48:53,396
Ain't it hard when you discover that
2310
02:48:54,902 --> 02:48:58,395
He really wasn't where it's at
2311
02:48:59,475 --> 02:49:01,773
After he's taken from you
2312
02:49:01,877 --> 02:49:05,041
everything he could steal
2313
02:49:06,916 --> 02:49:08,941
How does it feel?
2314
02:49:09,452 --> 02:49:13,913
Rock 'n' roll was considered a real
sellout music for a lot of folk fans...
2315
02:49:14,025 --> 02:49:17,756
and Like a Rolling Stone seemed like
the direct slap in the face...
2316
02:49:17,862 --> 02:49:20,263
to everything that topical songs represented.
2317
02:49:20,532 --> 02:49:24,263
"How does it feel to be on your own."
And they took it as this most...
2318
02:49:24,503 --> 02:49:26,438
extremely negative...
2319
02:49:28,508 --> 02:49:29,805
you know...
2320
02:49:29,909 --> 02:49:33,437
selfish statement, basically,
and it was, you know, it was not...
2321
02:49:33,847 --> 02:49:36,338
Better World A-Coming, you know,
it was not that.
2322
02:49:43,058 --> 02:49:44,719
Let's go, man. That's all.
2323
02:49:45,226 --> 02:49:49,186
I thought he would go out and play
some other stuff by himself and then...
2324
02:49:49,632 --> 02:49:51,998
we'd come out and play these three songs.
2325
02:49:54,304 --> 02:49:57,467
But we just came out
and played these three songs and then...
2326
02:49:57,707 --> 02:49:59,174
he said, "Goodnight."
2327
02:49:59,476 --> 02:50:03,504
And we'd been out there
for a total of 15 minutes...
2328
02:50:05,016 --> 02:50:07,485
and everybody else had played for an hour.
2329
02:50:08,320 --> 02:50:10,948
So that was pretty weird.
And he was the headliner.
2330
02:50:14,761 --> 02:50:16,991
Bobby, can you do another song, please?
2331
02:50:18,698 --> 02:50:20,393
He's going to get his axe.
2332
02:50:28,143 --> 02:50:29,269
He's coming.
2333
02:50:31,880 --> 02:50:35,373
Bobby was terribly shaken
and I ran backstage...
2334
02:50:36,052 --> 02:50:38,577
and he said to me,
"What have you done to me?"
2335
02:50:38,955 --> 02:50:42,392
Peter Yarrow came out and said,
"Okay, everybody calm down...
2336
02:50:42,493 --> 02:50:45,155
"Bob's gone to get his acoustic guitar."
2337
02:50:45,262 --> 02:50:46,524
And everybody...
2338
02:50:46,997 --> 02:50:50,229
The highway is for gamblers
2339
02:50:50,602 --> 02:50:52,797
better use your sense
2340
02:50:57,076 --> 02:50:59,567
Take what you have gathered
2341
02:50:59,678 --> 02:51:02,614
from coincidence
2342
02:51:06,219 --> 02:51:10,919
The empty-handed painter from your streets
2343
02:51:13,928 --> 02:51:17,092
Is drawing crazy patterns
2344
02:51:17,232 --> 02:51:18,995
on your sheets
2345
02:51:21,737 --> 02:51:25,504
The sky, too, is folding over you
2346
02:51:29,112 --> 02:51:32,276
And it's all over now
2347
02:51:32,383 --> 02:51:34,374
Baby Blue
2348
02:51:39,191 --> 02:51:41,489
I'd heard a rumor that
Pete was going to cut the cable.
2349
02:51:41,593 --> 02:51:45,860
And I heard it later, you know.
And it was like, it didn't make sense to me.
2350
02:51:46,199 --> 02:51:50,192
Like, Pete Seeger, like someone
whose music I cherish, you know.
2351
02:51:50,303 --> 02:51:52,898
Like someone who I highly respect
is going to cut the cable.
2352
02:51:53,006 --> 02:51:55,406
It was like, "Oh, God." It was like...
2353
02:51:56,176 --> 02:51:58,509
It was like a dagger, you know, it was...
2354
02:51:58,846 --> 02:52:01,371
Just the thought of it was, you know...
2355
02:52:02,083 --> 02:52:03,516
made me go out and get drunk.
2356
02:52:03,618 --> 02:52:06,019
Strike another match
2357
02:52:06,121 --> 02:52:08,885
Go start anew
2358
02:52:11,093 --> 02:52:14,222
And it's all over now
2359
02:52:14,431 --> 02:52:16,365
Baby Blue
2360
02:52:41,528 --> 02:52:43,928
I remember seeing Bob
later on that evening...
2361
02:52:44,031 --> 02:52:46,432
looking kind of blue, as though he hadn't...
2362
02:52:46,534 --> 02:52:49,503
Hadn't made the point
that he wanted to make properly.
2363
02:52:49,604 --> 02:52:54,508
He didn't want to feel that he was
limited here or limited there.
2364
02:52:54,710 --> 02:52:58,339
He wanted to do something
with the Butterfield Blues Band.
2365
02:52:58,648 --> 02:53:00,310
And it was great.
2366
02:53:01,051 --> 02:53:05,147
Every night, after the concerts,
the festival people would have a party.
2367
02:53:05,322 --> 02:53:09,259
And Bob was sitting in the corner,
I guess, thinking about what had happened.
2368
02:53:09,360 --> 02:53:13,194
I said, "Hey, Bob. Do you want to dance?"
And he looked up at me and said:
2369
02:53:13,799 --> 02:53:17,257
"I'd dance with you, Maria,
but my hands are on fire."
2370
02:53:18,203 --> 02:53:22,732
And it's sort of like... That was
a cryptic remark, but I kind of knew...
2371
02:53:22,842 --> 02:53:26,972
exactly what he meant, you know. So I said,
"Okay, man," and I just left him alone.
2372
02:53:27,648 --> 02:53:31,106
We want Dylan!
2373
02:53:35,157 --> 02:53:37,717
A couple of months later,
he played Forest Hills.
2374
02:53:37,826 --> 02:53:41,558
There, the first half was acoustic,
the second half was rock 'n' roll.
2375
02:53:41,664 --> 02:53:44,963
The electric half.; Silence, booing.
2376
02:53:45,201 --> 02:53:49,263
At least 15, 20 kids ran on the stage
through the whole electric set.
2377
02:53:49,373 --> 02:53:51,733
There would be somebody,
two, three times during a number...
2378
02:53:51,775 --> 02:53:55,712
actually jumping on the stage
and running around amongst the musicians.
2379
02:53:57,415 --> 02:54:00,111
And an incredible animosity in the audience.
2380
02:54:00,218 --> 02:54:03,017
I think it was the only concert
I have ever been at where...
2381
02:54:03,122 --> 02:54:07,218
that animosity was that strong
and you actually felt a little threatened...
2382
02:54:07,326 --> 02:54:09,955
if you applauded during this, which I did.
2383
02:54:10,163 --> 02:54:13,963
When we played Forest Hills,
Like a Rolling Stone was number one.
2384
02:54:15,702 --> 02:54:17,694
And so when we played
Like a Rolling Stone...
2385
02:54:17,805 --> 02:54:19,670
they stopped booing and sang along.
2386
02:54:19,774 --> 02:54:22,299
And then when we finished
they started booing again.
2387
02:54:22,410 --> 02:54:24,106
I thought that was great.
2388
02:54:24,279 --> 02:54:27,077
I enjoyed that.
But at the party after the show...
2389
02:54:27,182 --> 02:54:30,641
Bob came running up to us
and gave us big hugs, he said.;
2390
02:54:31,254 --> 02:54:34,553
"That was fabulous. It was great.
It was like a carnival."
2391
02:54:34,657 --> 02:54:37,718
It was fantastic. He really enjoyed the show.
2392
02:54:38,262 --> 02:54:42,699
The booing didn't really, you know...
I had a perspective on the booing.
2393
02:54:43,267 --> 02:54:47,728
Because you got to realize
you can kill somebody with kindness, too.
2394
02:54:54,680 --> 02:54:58,082
God said to Abraham, "Kill me a son"
2395
02:54:58,218 --> 02:55:01,153
Abe said, "Man, you must be putting me on"
2396
02:55:01,789 --> 02:55:04,656
God say, "No" Abe say, "What?"
2397
02:55:05,059 --> 02:55:07,926
God say,
"You can do what you want, Abe, but
2398
02:55:08,563 --> 02:55:11,589
"Next time you see me coming
you better run"
2399
02:55:17,740 --> 02:55:21,199
Well, Abe says,
"Where do you want this killing done?"
2400
02:55:21,344 --> 02:55:24,711
God says, "Out on Highway 61"
2401
02:55:24,981 --> 02:55:27,780
I walked in the studio
and he was out there in a corner...
2402
02:55:27,885 --> 02:55:29,648
and I walked up and I said,
"Bob, I'm Bob Johnston."
2403
02:55:29,754 --> 02:55:31,554
He said, "How you doing?"
And he smiled at me.
2404
02:55:31,656 --> 02:55:35,252
All I remember is Dylan doing that
and starting in...
2405
02:55:35,727 --> 02:55:38,992
and from that moment,
I really have no memory.
2406
02:55:40,533 --> 02:55:42,023
Nobody ever counted off for Dylan...
2407
02:55:42,135 --> 02:55:44,069
he always did what the fuck he wanted to.
2408
02:55:44,170 --> 02:55:48,301
And I always just got the sound pretty well.
And he seemed to love the sound.
2409
02:55:48,609 --> 02:55:53,673
You walk into the room
With your pencil in your hand
2410
02:55:54,983 --> 02:56:00,011
You see somebody naked
And you say, "Who is that man?"
2411
02:56:00,857 --> 02:56:03,587
I was just caught in this whirlwind of...
2412
02:56:04,393 --> 02:56:09,331
You know, of being tacked on to this music
that was going to be forever...
2413
02:56:09,800 --> 02:56:13,930
and being involved in it.
And knowing that it was going to be forever.
2414
02:56:14,038 --> 02:56:16,632
Because something is happening here
2415
02:56:16,741 --> 02:56:19,904
But you don't know what it is
2416
02:56:21,080 --> 02:56:24,777
The music actually changed by,
I think, the word is freedom.
2417
02:56:24,884 --> 02:56:27,945
Everything was changing.
It wasn't like four songs a session.
2418
02:56:28,054 --> 02:56:30,614
There wasn't any clock.
I took all the clocks down.
2419
02:56:30,724 --> 02:56:32,385
Nobody had a fucking clock in there.
2420
02:56:32,492 --> 02:56:36,156
It's just like, "Play some music."
"What about this thing? What about this?"
2421
02:56:36,264 --> 02:56:39,233
We're recording 86845. Number one.
2422
02:56:39,333 --> 02:56:42,735
Einstein, disguised as Robin Hood
2423
02:56:43,872 --> 02:56:47,672
With his memories in his trunk
2424
02:56:49,646 --> 02:56:53,480
Passed this way an hour ago
2425
02:56:53,683 --> 02:56:57,085
With his friend, a jealous monk
2426
02:56:59,223 --> 02:57:02,682
I believe in giving credit
where credit's due.
2427
02:57:02,794 --> 02:57:05,092
I don't think Dylan had a lot to do with it.
2428
02:57:05,196 --> 02:57:09,428
I think God,
instead of touching him on the shoulder...
2429
02:57:09,535 --> 02:57:11,969
he kicked him in the ass. Really!
2430
02:57:12,204 --> 02:57:16,197
And that's where all that came from.
He can't help what he's doing.
2431
02:57:16,443 --> 02:57:19,503
I mean, he's got the Holy Spirit about him.
2432
02:57:19,613 --> 02:57:21,706
You can look at him and tell that.
2433
02:57:31,327 --> 02:57:33,761
Well, I ride a mailtrain, baby
2434
02:57:34,263 --> 02:57:36,891
Can't buy no thrill
2435
02:57:37,634 --> 02:57:40,432
It Takes a Lot to Laugh,
It Takes a Train to Cry.
2436
02:57:40,570 --> 02:57:43,505
In fact, there was two versions of that cut.
The first version...
2437
02:57:43,607 --> 02:57:45,667
which turned up on bootlegs,
it was like a fast...
2438
02:57:45,776 --> 02:57:48,768
It was a much faster
and much more jivey version...
2439
02:57:48,879 --> 02:57:52,316
that sounded kind of a lot
like the other things that had been done.
2440
02:57:53,952 --> 02:57:56,978
What the fuck
are we doing with this song, man?
2441
02:57:57,122 --> 02:57:59,284
It's not such a terrible song to do.
2442
02:57:59,392 --> 02:58:00,950
Then he said, "Let's take a break."
2443
02:58:01,060 --> 02:58:04,154
And he sent everybody off. And he said
it was a lunch break or whatever.
2444
02:58:04,263 --> 02:58:06,129
People went out for an hour.
2445
02:58:06,233 --> 02:58:09,202
He was sitting alone
at the piano working over...
2446
02:58:09,470 --> 02:58:12,406
just play a few chords
and he'd scribble something down.
2447
02:58:12,507 --> 02:58:15,135
And they came back
and they did that other take...
2448
02:58:15,243 --> 02:58:18,644
after the lunch break and it was,
like the much slower, bluesier version...
2449
02:58:18,747 --> 02:58:21,467
you hear on the album, and it's
really changed the whole character...
2450
02:58:21,550 --> 02:58:23,630
and the feel of the song.
It was really, really nice.
2451
02:58:32,930 --> 02:58:36,297
Well, I ride on a mailtrain, baby
2452
02:58:37,135 --> 02:58:39,696
Can't buy a thrill
2453
02:58:43,442 --> 02:58:45,672
I'd like to know about
the cover of your album.
2454
02:58:45,778 --> 02:58:47,371
I'd like to know about...
2455
02:58:47,480 --> 02:58:51,576
the meaning of the photograph of you
and the wearing of the Triumph t-shirt.
2456
02:58:52,252 --> 02:58:53,481
What did you want to know about it?
2457
02:58:53,587 --> 02:58:56,078
Well, I'd like to know if
that's an equivalent photograph...
2458
02:58:56,190 --> 02:58:58,886
it means something.
It's got a philosophy in it.
2459
02:59:00,962 --> 02:59:03,863
And I'd like to know,
visually, what it represents to you.
2460
02:59:03,965 --> 02:59:06,195
Because you're a part of that.
2461
02:59:11,441 --> 02:59:14,103
I haven't really looked at it that much.
I don't really...
2462
02:59:14,210 --> 02:59:16,338
I've thought about it a great deal.
2463
02:59:17,114 --> 02:59:20,311
It was just taken one day,
when I was sitting on the steps, you know.
2464
02:59:20,417 --> 02:59:23,854
I don't really remember.
2465
02:59:23,955 --> 02:59:25,820
I don't worry too much about it.
2466
02:59:25,924 --> 02:59:29,417
But what about the motorcycle
as an image in your songwriting?
2467
02:59:29,695 --> 02:59:30,889
You seem to like that.
2468
02:59:30,996 --> 02:59:35,229
- Oh, we all like motorcycles to some degree.
- I do.
2469
02:59:36,603 --> 02:59:39,572
Do you prefer songs with a subtle
or obvious message?
2470
02:59:39,773 --> 02:59:42,743
- With a what?
- A subtle or obvious message.
2471
02:59:42,844 --> 02:59:45,836
With a message, you mean like...
What song with a message?
2472
02:59:45,947 --> 02:59:49,406
Well like Eve of Destruction
and things like that.
2473
02:59:52,287 --> 02:59:54,152
Do I prefer that to what?
2474
02:59:55,124 --> 02:59:57,992
I don't know, but your songs
are supposed to have a subtle message.
2475
02:59:58,094 --> 03:00:00,961
- A subtle message?
- Well, they're supposed to.
2476
03:00:03,901 --> 03:00:06,062
Where'd you hear that?
2477
03:00:07,738 --> 03:00:10,071
- In a movie magazine.
- Oh, my God!
2478
03:00:13,411 --> 03:00:16,711
Do you think of yourself primarily
as a singer or as a poet?
2479
03:00:17,316 --> 03:00:20,410
I think of myself more
as a song-and-dance man, you know.
2480
03:00:22,455 --> 03:00:25,914
Mr. Dylan, I know you dislike labels
and probably rightly so...
2481
03:00:26,026 --> 03:00:29,018
but for those of us who are well over 30...
2482
03:00:29,596 --> 03:00:34,000
could you label yourself
and perhaps tell us what your role is?
2483
03:00:36,604 --> 03:00:39,130
Well, I sort of label
myself as well under 30.
2484
03:00:42,978 --> 03:00:47,439
And my role is to, you know,
to just stay here as long as I can.
2485
03:00:51,254 --> 03:00:53,280
You're considered by many people to be...
2486
03:00:53,391 --> 03:00:56,224
symbolic of the protest movement
in the country...
2487
03:00:56,561 --> 03:00:57,277
for the young people.
2488
03:00:57,312 --> 03:00:57,994
For the young people.
2489
03:00:58,095 --> 03:00:59,757
Are you going to participate in...
2490
03:00:59,865 --> 03:01:03,733
the Vietnam Day Committee demonstration in
front of the Paramount Hotel tonight?
2491
03:01:03,836 --> 03:01:05,327
I'll be busy tonight.
2492
03:01:08,508 --> 03:01:09,708
Things had gotten out of hand.
2493
03:01:09,876 --> 03:01:12,778
You know, it fell into the...
2494
03:01:12,880 --> 03:01:15,280
You know,
you ask me why I write surreal songs...
2495
03:01:15,382 --> 03:01:19,752
or whatever,
I mean that type of activity is surreal.
2496
03:01:19,855 --> 03:01:21,789
I had no answers
to any of those questions...
2497
03:01:21,890 --> 03:01:24,415
any more than
any other performer did, really.
2498
03:01:25,260 --> 03:01:29,721
But, you know, that didn't stop...
2499
03:01:29,966 --> 03:01:32,434
the press or people or whoever they were...
2500
03:01:33,003 --> 03:01:36,530
from asking these questions.
They, for some reason the press thought...
2501
03:01:36,640 --> 03:01:39,734
that performers had the answers
to all these...
2502
03:01:40,411 --> 03:01:42,379
problems in the society and...
2503
03:01:43,648 --> 03:01:45,479
you know, like what can...
2504
03:01:45,950 --> 03:01:49,717
What can you say to something like that?
I mean, it's just kind of absurd.
2505
03:01:50,623 --> 03:01:53,855
Phil Ochs wrote something
in a recent Broadside Magazine...
2506
03:01:53,960 --> 03:01:55,484
to the effect that...
2507
03:01:55,595 --> 03:01:59,292
you have twisted so many people's wigs
that he feels that it becomes...
2508
03:01:59,399 --> 03:02:03,632
increasingly dangerous for you
to perform in public before an audience.
2509
03:02:05,306 --> 03:02:08,504
Well, that's the way it goes, you know.
2510
03:02:11,246 --> 03:02:14,374
I can't apologize, certainly.
2511
03:02:15,084 --> 03:02:19,214
Do you feel that part of the popularity
is because of an identification...
2512
03:02:19,522 --> 03:02:22,117
of your audience with you or with...
2513
03:02:22,226 --> 03:02:24,751
what you're saying
or what you've been writing about?
2514
03:02:24,862 --> 03:02:26,124
I have no idea.
2515
03:02:26,563 --> 03:02:29,260
Mr. Dylan, you seem very reluctant
to talk about the fact...
2516
03:02:29,367 --> 03:02:32,359
that you're a popular entertainer,
and you're a most popular entertainer.
2517
03:02:32,470 --> 03:02:35,110
- What do you want me to say?
- Well, I don't understand why you...
2518
03:02:35,140 --> 03:02:38,440
Well, what do you want me to say about it?
2519
03:02:38,544 --> 03:02:41,877
Well, you seem almost embarrassed
to admit that you're... To talk about...
2520
03:02:41,981 --> 03:02:44,041
Well, I'm not embarrassed,
I mean, you know.
2521
03:02:44,151 --> 03:02:46,051
What do you want exactly for me to say?
2522
03:02:46,153 --> 03:02:49,145
Do you want me to jump up and say,
"Hallelujah" and crash the cameras...
2523
03:02:49,257 --> 03:02:52,055
and do something weird? Tell me.
2524
03:02:52,694 --> 03:02:53,854
I'll go along with you.
2525
03:02:53,962 --> 03:02:56,761
If I can't go along with you,
I'll find somebody to go along with you.
2526
03:02:56,865 --> 03:02:59,766
No, but I find that...
You really have no idea...
2527
03:02:59,868 --> 03:03:02,336
as to why,
or no thoughts on why you're popular?
2528
03:03:02,438 --> 03:03:04,373
- That's what interests me.
- I just have...
2529
03:03:04,474 --> 03:03:08,171
I haven't really struggled for that.
I don't...
2530
03:03:08,678 --> 03:03:10,169
It happened, you know.
2531
03:03:11,615 --> 03:03:13,947
It happened like anything else happens.
2532
03:03:15,353 --> 03:03:17,515
How many people who labor...
2533
03:03:17,622 --> 03:03:20,853
in the same musical vineyard
in which you toil...
2534
03:03:20,959 --> 03:03:22,859
how many are protest singers?
2535
03:03:22,961 --> 03:03:27,592
That is, people who use their music
and use the songs...
2536
03:03:28,001 --> 03:03:32,439
to protest the social state
in which we live today.
2537
03:03:32,539 --> 03:03:35,975
The matter of war, the matter of crime,
or whatever it might be.
2538
03:03:36,877 --> 03:03:38,368
- How many?
- Yes.
2539
03:03:38,513 --> 03:03:40,037
- Are there many who...
- Yeah.
2540
03:03:40,148 --> 03:03:43,345
I think there's about 136.
2541
03:03:45,121 --> 03:03:47,419
- You say, "about 136"?
- Yeah.
2542
03:03:48,924 --> 03:03:50,892
Or do you mean exactly 136?
2543
03:03:52,362 --> 03:03:55,126
It's either 136 or 142.
2544
03:03:55,532 --> 03:03:59,867
At a certain point, people seemed to have
a distorted, warped view of me...
2545
03:03:59,971 --> 03:04:03,168
for some reason,
and those people were usually...
2546
03:04:03,274 --> 03:04:04,901
outside of the musical community.
2547
03:04:05,009 --> 03:04:06,978
"The spokesman of the generation."
2548
03:04:07,079 --> 03:04:09,946
"The conscience of a..."
This, and that and the other.
2549
03:04:10,049 --> 03:04:14,316
That I could not relate to.
I just couldn't relate to it.
2550
03:04:14,788 --> 03:04:17,723
As long as I could continue doing
what it is that I loved to do...
2551
03:04:17,824 --> 03:04:20,055
I didn't care
what kinds of labels were put on me...
2552
03:04:20,161 --> 03:04:24,188
or how I was perceived in the press
because I was playing to people every night.
2553
03:04:31,573 --> 03:04:33,769
I played at the Hollywood Bowl.
2554
03:04:34,143 --> 03:04:36,771
Then I left the organization.
2555
03:04:37,013 --> 03:04:41,212
I actually was frightened
when I got the tour itinerary...
2556
03:04:41,318 --> 03:04:43,479
to see that we were
going to play Dallas where...
2557
03:04:43,587 --> 03:04:45,418
they had just killed the President.
2558
03:04:46,256 --> 03:04:48,350
And I thought, you know:
"If they didn't like that guy...
2559
03:04:48,460 --> 03:04:51,224
"what are they going to think of this guy?"
2560
03:04:51,329 --> 03:04:53,923
And I didn't want to,
you know, I didn't want to be...
2561
03:04:54,033 --> 03:04:57,491
the analogy to John Connally.
2562
03:04:57,970 --> 03:05:00,336
I didn't want to be the guy next to him.
2563
03:05:00,639 --> 03:05:05,373
I started out on Burgundy
But soon hit the harder stuff
2564
03:05:08,649 --> 03:05:12,278
Everybody said they'd stand behind me
2565
03:05:12,386 --> 03:05:15,379
When the game got rough
2566
03:05:16,492 --> 03:05:19,620
The guys that were with me on that tour,
which later became The Band...
2567
03:05:19,728 --> 03:05:21,754
you know, we were all in it together.
2568
03:05:21,865 --> 03:05:24,356
We were putting our heads
in the lion's mouth and...
2569
03:05:24,467 --> 03:05:26,867
I had to admire them for
sticking it out with me.
2570
03:05:26,970 --> 03:05:30,634
Just for doing it, in my book, they were,
you know, gallant knights for even...
2571
03:05:30,741 --> 03:05:32,572
you know, standing behind me.
2572
03:05:32,710 --> 03:05:36,169
By the time we got to England,
it was out of control.
2573
03:05:36,648 --> 03:05:38,809
And I don't know if word of mouth...
2574
03:05:39,584 --> 03:05:41,779
preceded our concert tour...
2575
03:05:46,092 --> 03:05:49,824
but it really was pretty revolutionary,
in the fact that...
2576
03:05:50,063 --> 03:05:52,497
here was someone who everyone loved...
2577
03:05:53,133 --> 03:05:55,465
and they didn't like what he was doing.
2578
03:05:55,903 --> 03:05:57,599
And they were showing it.
2579
03:05:58,039 --> 03:06:00,439
These stages were created for people
who stood on stage...
2580
03:06:00,542 --> 03:06:02,840
and recited Shakespearean plays.
2581
03:06:02,944 --> 03:06:05,184
They weren't made for this kind of music
we were playing.
2582
03:06:05,247 --> 03:06:07,875
The sound was pretty archaic, really.
2583
03:06:08,217 --> 03:06:12,518
The sound really hadn't been perfected.
The sound quality hadn't been perfected...
2584
03:06:12,822 --> 03:06:13,948
many years after that.
2585
03:06:14,124 --> 03:06:17,288
The first half of the concert
was Bob Dylan alone...
2586
03:06:17,495 --> 03:06:19,122
acoustic and harmonica.
2587
03:06:19,530 --> 03:06:24,058
When we kicked off the second half,
I mean, we did kick ass and take names.
2588
03:06:24,670 --> 03:06:27,969
And we got everyone in there's attention.
2589
03:06:28,207 --> 03:06:29,902
They knew that we had arrived.
2590
03:06:30,175 --> 03:06:33,077
Because they were such fans of his
acoustic set...
2591
03:06:33,379 --> 03:06:35,540
that when we came in
and did the electric set...
2592
03:06:35,648 --> 03:06:37,707
people have said the word to me that...
2593
03:06:38,552 --> 03:06:42,044
he was a traitor to folk music.
The pure music.
2594
03:06:42,423 --> 03:06:45,222
And I'd just about had it, though.
I'd had it with the...
2595
03:06:45,327 --> 03:06:46,817
with the whole scene.
2596
03:06:47,562 --> 03:06:51,623
And I was... Whether I knew it
or didn't know it, I was looking...
2597
03:06:51,733 --> 03:06:53,395
to just quit for a while.
2598
03:06:54,170 --> 03:06:56,035
What about the scene?
What had you had it with?
2599
03:06:56,138 --> 03:06:57,765
What about the scene were you sick of?
2600
03:06:57,873 --> 03:07:01,332
Well, you know, people like you.
People like, you know...
2601
03:07:01,445 --> 03:07:04,778
like, just, you know,
like just being pressed...
2602
03:07:04,881 --> 03:07:09,148
and hammered and, you know,
expected to answer questions. You know...
2603
03:07:09,254 --> 03:07:13,248
What can I... You know, like...
It was enough to make anybody sick, really.
2604
03:07:23,536 --> 03:07:26,995
Ol' black Bascom, don't break no mirrors
2605
03:07:27,608 --> 03:07:31,510
Cold black water dog, make no tears
2606
03:07:32,513 --> 03:07:35,244
You say you love me with what may be love
2607
03:07:36,885 --> 03:07:39,945
Don't you remember making baby love?
2608
03:07:41,557 --> 03:07:43,684
Got your steam drill now you're
2609
03:07:43,793 --> 03:07:47,423
lookin' for some kid to
get it to work for you
2610
03:07:47,531 --> 03:07:49,965
like your nine-pound hammer did
2611
03:07:50,334 --> 03:07:53,394
But I know that you know that
2612
03:07:53,704 --> 03:07:56,071
I know that you show something is
2613
03:07:57,409 --> 03:08:00,867
tearing up your mind
2614
03:08:04,884 --> 03:08:07,853
Tell me, momma
2615
03:08:09,222 --> 03:08:11,588
Tell me, momma
2616
03:08:13,860 --> 03:08:16,830
Tell me, momma, what is it?
2617
03:08:18,299 --> 03:08:22,031
What's wrong with you this time?
2618
03:08:31,448 --> 03:08:32,448
He's cheap!
2619
03:08:33,817 --> 03:08:36,844
And having a half concert.
Half one and half the other.
2620
03:08:37,021 --> 03:08:39,751
Fake, hypocrite!
2621
03:08:40,291 --> 03:08:41,588
That's what he is.
2622
03:08:41,692 --> 03:08:44,093
Everybody's wondering when your
2623
03:08:44,196 --> 03:08:47,165
friendship's gonna end but
2624
03:08:47,265 --> 03:08:50,702
Come on, baby, I'm your friend
2625
03:08:50,803 --> 03:08:53,738
And I know that you know that I know
2626
03:08:54,640 --> 03:08:56,836
that you show something
2627
03:08:58,379 --> 03:09:02,611
Is tearing up your mind
2628
03:09:05,920 --> 03:09:08,013
- Crap.
- Crap. Rubbish.
2629
03:09:09,190 --> 03:09:10,749
- Complete rubbish.
- Pathetic.
2630
03:09:10,860 --> 03:09:12,293
Moronic.
2631
03:09:12,528 --> 03:09:15,986
We paid to see a flipping folk singer,
not a big group.
2632
03:09:23,774 --> 03:09:25,868
- Didn't you boo me last night?
- I didn't.
2633
03:09:25,977 --> 03:09:27,706
- Oh?
- We didn't boo you, Bob.
2634
03:09:27,845 --> 03:09:29,608
- Please, just a minute.
- Well.
2635
03:09:29,714 --> 03:09:32,309
I want the names
of all the people that booed me.
2636
03:09:32,418 --> 03:09:35,979
We didn't boo you! Come back soon.
2637
03:09:36,188 --> 03:09:39,056
Okay. I'll... I'll be back in a month or two.
2638
03:09:39,159 --> 03:09:42,219
- We'll wait ya!
- So long, cheerio!
2639
03:09:42,662 --> 03:09:44,596
All you sweet, lovely people.
2640
03:09:44,697 --> 03:09:46,461
- Hello, Bob!
- So long, sweet...
2641
03:09:46,567 --> 03:09:49,434
For the first half,
when they're all so quiet, I'll just...
2642
03:09:49,537 --> 03:09:53,338
I'll play four or five songs
and they just don't make a sound.
2643
03:09:53,775 --> 03:09:55,367
All of a sudden, "Boo."
2644
03:09:58,580 --> 03:10:01,072
And then Albert will come out
and they go, "Boo."
2645
03:10:01,184 --> 03:10:03,584
And I loved the description
in the paper last night.
2646
03:10:03,686 --> 03:10:05,006
What they said, that was classic.
2647
03:10:05,054 --> 03:10:06,955
There wasn't one truth in the entire article.
2648
03:10:07,057 --> 03:10:08,684
It was all the most fantastic lies...
2649
03:10:08,792 --> 03:10:11,260
- they could concoct.
- From what town, man?
2650
03:10:11,361 --> 03:10:14,820
From the last town, Edinburgh.
"Another night of catcalls for Dylan."
2651
03:10:14,966 --> 03:10:18,424
- Oh, I didn't see that.
- "Many of the audience walked out."
2652
03:10:19,037 --> 03:10:21,802
I saw one, man.
Did you see one paper that said...
2653
03:10:21,907 --> 03:10:25,365
- everybody walked out?
- I haven't seen that one.
2654
03:10:25,811 --> 03:10:29,646
Everybody walked out.
Saw a paper it said, "Everybody walked out."
2655
03:10:29,883 --> 03:10:33,114
- In Liverpool, I saw it.
- They're really losing their minds.
2656
03:10:36,691 --> 03:10:39,319
- Totally insane.
- I'm going to walk out.
2657
03:10:40,528 --> 03:10:42,121
"We want the real Dylan."
2658
03:10:42,397 --> 03:10:44,262
"Will the real Dylan stand up?"
2659
03:10:45,901 --> 03:10:48,894
I've decided just to tell them, man,
that Dylan got sick.
2660
03:10:53,977 --> 03:10:56,742
What do you think? Just...
2661
03:10:56,914 --> 03:10:58,848
I won't tell anybody what you say.
What do you think?
2662
03:10:58,949 --> 03:11:01,544
- Not your personal comment.
- Yeah. What do you think?
2663
03:11:02,754 --> 03:11:04,619
I have no opinion about that.
2664
03:11:05,123 --> 03:11:06,283
Well, why?
2665
03:11:06,892 --> 03:11:09,225
Because I haven't heard you sing, actually.
2666
03:11:09,328 --> 03:11:11,558
You've never heard me sing?
2667
03:11:11,664 --> 03:11:14,464
And here you are sitting here
and you're asking me all these questions.
2668
03:11:14,534 --> 03:11:16,867
- Well, this is my job.
- Yeah, well.
2669
03:11:25,813 --> 03:11:28,646
- Suck them?
- Put them in your mouth for one second.
2670
03:11:28,750 --> 03:11:31,777
Put the corner of your glasses
in your mouth. That's it.
2671
03:11:31,887 --> 03:11:33,479
Just suck your glasses.
2672
03:11:38,728 --> 03:11:40,355
No, I don't want to suck them.
2673
03:11:40,463 --> 03:11:42,454
- Does anybody want to suck my glasses?
- Yeah.
2674
03:12:04,825 --> 03:12:05,825
Who said that?
2675
03:12:05,926 --> 03:12:10,454
- This one here. This fellow here.
- You? Ask him if he's American.
2676
03:12:11,533 --> 03:12:13,660
- Are you American?
- I'm French.
2677
03:12:15,704 --> 03:12:18,697
Well, that's why you probably think
the first records are better.
2678
03:12:34,559 --> 03:12:36,550
This is called...
2679
03:12:37,996 --> 03:12:42,957
This is a folk song.
I want to sing a folk song now.
2680
03:12:49,876 --> 03:12:52,505
I knew that would make you happy.
2681
03:12:53,414 --> 03:12:58,215
This is called Yes, I See You've Got Your
Brand-New Leopard-Skin Pill-Box Hat.
2682
03:14:03,027 --> 03:14:05,291
- Sign it!
- You're so miserable.
2683
03:14:05,396 --> 03:14:08,194
- It won't take...
- It won't take half an hour just to sign it.
2684
03:14:08,299 --> 03:14:11,531
They don't ask me, those other two people
don't ask me. Why do you?
2685
03:14:11,636 --> 03:14:13,661
- Why shouldn't you give it?
- You're so miserable?
2686
03:14:13,772 --> 03:14:15,239
Why do we come out to see you for?
2687
03:14:15,340 --> 03:14:17,741
- Because they like me they said...
- We don't like you anymore.
2688
03:14:17,844 --> 03:14:18,844
She called me a bum.
2689
03:14:18,945 --> 03:14:21,277
- I'll tell you why!
- May I have your autograph, please?
2690
03:14:21,380 --> 03:14:23,406
He'll call you a bum
you don't sign the autograph.
2691
03:14:23,517 --> 03:14:24,677
- Come on, Bob.
- Oh, come on!
2692
03:14:24,918 --> 03:14:28,479
You don't need my autograph.
If you needed it, I'd give it to you.
2693
03:14:29,089 --> 03:14:32,821
- Just give up your autograph, will you?
- What's wrong with him today, eh?
2694
03:14:32,961 --> 03:14:35,452
Ain't it just like the night
2695
03:14:35,563 --> 03:14:39,364
to play tricks
when you're trying to be so quiet?
2696
03:14:43,373 --> 03:14:45,807
We sit here stranded
2697
03:14:46,276 --> 03:14:49,939
though we all do our best to deny it
2698
03:14:53,417 --> 03:14:57,582
And Louise holds a handful of rain
2699
03:14:57,823 --> 03:15:00,951
tempting you to defy it
2700
03:15:03,796 --> 03:15:08,461
Lights flicker from the opposite loft
2701
03:15:09,869 --> 03:15:13,362
In this room the heat pipes just cough
2702
03:15:15,276 --> 03:15:18,974
The country music station plays soft
2703
03:15:19,281 --> 03:15:23,217
But there's nothing,
really nothing to turn off
2704
03:15:29,125 --> 03:15:31,457
Just Louise
2705
03:15:32,095 --> 03:15:36,088
and her lover so entwined
2706
03:15:39,537 --> 03:15:43,701
And these visions of Johanna
2707
03:15:45,443 --> 03:15:48,845
that conquer my mind
2708
03:15:59,827 --> 03:16:01,795
Hey, we've been on the road
a long time, right?
2709
03:16:01,896 --> 03:16:04,262
I don't know. I don't remember.
2710
03:16:04,565 --> 03:16:07,296
- I guess maybe we have.
- We've been on the road a very long time.
2711
03:16:07,402 --> 03:16:10,963
Man, I can't make it tonight.
I don't know how to cover up for it.
2712
03:16:11,073 --> 03:16:13,303
It's something I never figured out.
2713
03:16:14,210 --> 03:16:17,646
There's nothing I can do about it.
I just shouldn't be singing.
2714
03:16:19,148 --> 03:16:21,481
I think I'm gonna get me a new Bob Dylan
next week.
2715
03:16:21,585 --> 03:16:23,746
Get me a new Bob Dylan and use him.
2716
03:16:25,289 --> 03:16:27,815
Use the new Bob Dylan,
see how long he lasts!
2717
03:16:28,260 --> 03:16:30,854
He brags of his misery
2718
03:16:31,296 --> 03:16:34,494
he likes to live dangerously
2719
03:16:38,204 --> 03:16:40,798
And when bringing her name up
2720
03:16:41,174 --> 03:16:44,337
he speaks of her farewell kiss to me
2721
03:16:48,082 --> 03:16:50,949
He's sure got a lot of gall
2722
03:16:53,254 --> 03:16:56,622
to be so useless and all
2723
03:16:58,460 --> 03:17:02,454
Muttering small talk at the wall
2724
03:17:02,799 --> 03:17:05,393
while I'm in the hall
2725
03:17:09,140 --> 03:17:12,268
Oh, how can I explain?
2726
03:17:12,376 --> 03:17:16,336
It's so hard to get on
2727
03:17:19,651 --> 03:17:23,782
And these visions of Johanna
2728
03:17:24,724 --> 03:17:29,354
they kept me up past the dawn
2729
03:17:52,923 --> 03:17:56,051
I want to go home.
You know what home is?
2730
03:17:56,560 --> 03:18:00,520
I don't want to go to Italy no more.
I don't want to go nowhere no more.
2731
03:18:00,898 --> 03:18:03,196
You end up crashing in a private airplane...
2732
03:18:03,301 --> 03:18:06,135
in the mountains of Tennessee.
2733
03:18:07,740 --> 03:18:08,798
Or Sicily.
2734
03:18:10,976 --> 03:18:15,073
When you stay in the States,
I mean, when you come back?
2735
03:18:15,415 --> 03:18:17,576
I don't know. I just want to go home.
2736
03:18:57,625 --> 03:18:59,890
- Are you in the controls at all?
- Yeah.
2737
03:19:00,028 --> 03:19:01,325
What does it sound like?
2738
03:19:01,563 --> 03:19:04,088
Like you're in
a recording studio downstairs...
2739
03:19:04,233 --> 03:19:06,201
the son of a bitch picks up great here.
2740
03:19:06,502 --> 03:19:09,336
The acoustics are fantastic.
I don't know what they'll be like...
2741
03:19:09,439 --> 03:19:12,602
Fellas, can we have you, please?
In about two minutes.
2742
03:19:13,543 --> 03:19:14,909
Okay, two minutes.
2743
03:19:15,012 --> 03:19:17,572
No. I mean by the time you get down there
it'll be two minutes...
2744
03:19:17,615 --> 03:19:19,575
not, "In two minutes,
we start to go down there."
2745
03:19:21,753 --> 03:19:24,551
- Yeah, two minutes.
- Hey, two minutes, man.
2746
03:19:33,433 --> 03:19:36,460
Last on the bill.
Not least, ladies and gentlemen...
2747
03:19:39,072 --> 03:19:41,131
here he is, back from the grave.
2748
03:19:41,676 --> 03:19:44,144
Right, straight from the grave.
2749
03:19:53,823 --> 03:19:55,758
I don't believe you.
2750
03:20:05,169 --> 03:20:06,397
You're a liar!
2751
03:20:25,192 --> 03:20:28,059
Once upon a time you dressed so fine
2752
03:20:28,162 --> 03:20:30,723
Threw the bums a dime in your prime
2753
03:20:32,267 --> 03:20:33,962
didn't you?
2754
03:20:36,271 --> 03:20:40,231
People'd call, say, "Beware, doll
You're bound to fall"
2755
03:20:40,343 --> 03:20:43,005
You thought that they were all
2756
03:20:43,346 --> 03:20:45,144
Kidding you
2757
03:20:48,018 --> 03:20:50,817
You used to
2758
03:20:50,922 --> 03:20:52,685
laugh about
2759
03:20:54,659 --> 03:20:58,152
Everybody that was hangin' out
2760
03:20:59,231 --> 03:21:03,634
Now you don't talk so loud
2761
03:21:04,671 --> 03:21:08,937
Now you don't seem so proud
2762
03:21:09,743 --> 03:21:13,043
About having to be scrounging around
2763
03:21:13,848 --> 03:21:18,308
for your next meal
2764
03:21:19,221 --> 03:21:21,883
How does it feel
2765
03:21:24,860 --> 03:21:26,123
How does it feel
2766
03:21:29,532 --> 03:21:32,730
To be on your own
2767
03:21:34,905 --> 03:21:38,306
No direction home
2768
03:21:40,278 --> 03:21:43,770
Like a complete unknown
2769
03:21:45,917 --> 03:21:49,410
Like a rolling stone?
2770
03:22:01,235 --> 03:22:03,726
You've gone to the finest school
2771
03:22:03,838 --> 03:22:07,570
All right, Miss Lonely
But you only used to get
2772
03:22:08,911 --> 03:22:11,402
juiced in it
2773
03:22:12,181 --> 03:22:16,710
Nobody's ever taught you how
to live out on the street
2774
03:22:16,853 --> 03:22:18,684
But now
2775
03:22:19,422 --> 03:22:23,052
you're gonna have to get used to it
2776
03:22:24,662 --> 03:22:29,123
You said you'd never compromise
2777
03:22:29,835 --> 03:22:34,499
With the mystery tramp,
but now you realize
2778
03:22:35,308 --> 03:22:39,574
He's not selling any alibis
2779
03:22:40,780 --> 03:22:44,911
As you stare into the vacuum of his eyes
2780
03:22:45,252 --> 03:22:46,913
And say
2781
03:22:47,554 --> 03:22:52,356
do you want to make a deal?
2782
03:22:55,030 --> 03:22:58,262
How does it feel
2783
03:23:00,369 --> 03:23:03,134
How does it feel
2784
03:23:04,975 --> 03:23:08,604
To be on your own
2785
03:23:10,715 --> 03:23:14,242
With no direction home
2786
03:23:16,187 --> 03:23:19,817
Like a complete unknown
2787
03:23:21,560 --> 03:23:25,361
Like a rolling stone?
2788
03:23:57,267 --> 03:23:58,860
Thank you.
2789
03:24:06,479 --> 03:24:11,348
Lay down your weary tune
2790
03:24:11,650 --> 03:24:13,016
Lay down
2791
03:24:15,255 --> 03:24:18,520
Lay down the song you strum
2792
03:24:20,895 --> 03:24:23,420
And rest yourself
2793
03:24:23,531 --> 03:24:26,592
'neath the strength of strings
2794
03:24:28,337 --> 03:24:31,966
No voice can hope
2795
03:24:32,074 --> 03:24:33,702
to hum
2796
03:24:36,546 --> 03:24:40,984
Struck by the sounds before the sun
2797
03:24:43,888 --> 03:24:47,689
I knew the night had gone
2798
03:24:49,661 --> 03:24:52,289
The morning breeze
2799
03:24:52,397 --> 03:24:54,866
like a bugle blew
2800
03:24:57,203 --> 03:25:02,107
Against the drums of dawn
2801
03:25:03,911 --> 03:25:08,645
Lay down your weary tune
2802
03:25:08,750 --> 03:25:10,149
Lay down
2803
03:25:12,220 --> 03:25:16,157
Lay down the song you strum
2804
03:25:16,725 --> 03:25:19,250
And rest yourself
2805
03:25:19,361 --> 03:25:22,160
'neath the strength of strings
2806
03:25:24,167 --> 03:25:27,864
No voice can hope
2807
03:25:27,972 --> 03:25:29,269
to hum
2808
03:25:31,375 --> 03:25:34,503
The ocean wild
2809
03:25:34,612 --> 03:25:37,548
like an organ played
2810
03:25:39,518 --> 03:25:43,546
The seaweed's wove its strands
2811
03:25:44,958 --> 03:25:47,552
The crashin' waves
2812
03:25:47,660 --> 03:25:50,528
like cymbals clashed
2813
03:25:52,066 --> 03:25:55,661
Against the rocks
2814
03:25:55,770 --> 03:25:57,795
and sands
2815
03:25:58,740 --> 03:26:03,701
Lay down your weary tune
2816
03:26:03,913 --> 03:26:05,312
Lay down
2817
03:26:07,516 --> 03:26:11,419
Lay down the song you strum
2818
03:26:13,123 --> 03:26:15,614
And rest yourself
2819
03:26:15,726 --> 03:26:18,719
'neath the strength of strings
2820
03:26:20,431 --> 03:26:23,993
No voice can hope
2821
03:26:24,103 --> 03:26:25,627
to hum
2822
03:26:27,273 --> 03:26:32,109
I stood unwound beneath the skies
2823
03:26:34,180 --> 03:26:38,584
And clouds unbound by laws
2824
03:26:39,820 --> 03:26:42,380
The cryin' rain
2825
03:26:42,490 --> 03:26:45,153
like a trumpet sang
2826
03:26:47,262 --> 03:26:52,166
And asked for no applause
2827
03:26:52,936 --> 03:26:57,635
Lay down your weary tune
2828
03:26:57,740 --> 03:26:59,106
Lay down
2829
03:27:01,178 --> 03:27:04,636
Lay down the song you strum
2830
03:27:04,748 --> 03:27:07,081
And rest yourself
2831
03:27:07,185 --> 03:27:09,983
'neath the strength of strings
2832
03:27:11,790 --> 03:27:15,352
No voice can hope
2833
03:27:15,461 --> 03:27:17,326
to hum
2834
03:27:18,864 --> 03:27:23,564
The last of leave fell from the trees
2835
03:27:25,840 --> 03:27:30,072
And clung to a new love's breast
2836
03:27:31,412 --> 03:27:36,350
The branches bare like a banjo moaned
2837
03:27:38,687 --> 03:27:43,625
To the winds that listened best
2838
03:27:45,662 --> 03:27:50,566
Lay down your weary tune
Lay down
2839
03:27:53,004 --> 03:27:56,566
Lay down the song you strum
2840
03:27:56,675 --> 03:27:59,041
And rest yourself
2841
03:27:59,144 --> 03:28:01,943
'neath the strength of strings
2842
03:28:03,950 --> 03:28:08,888
No voice can hope to hum
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