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James! 6 00:01:47,108 --> 00:01:49,235 A lot of people have tried to define 7 00:01:49,444 --> 00:01:51,071 exactly what soul music is. 8 00:01:51,279 --> 00:01:52,447 How would you define it? 9 00:01:52,655 --> 00:01:55,241 It's the word "can't" that makes you a soul singer. 10 00:01:56,451 --> 00:01:57,535 "Can't" 11 00:01:59,662 --> 00:02:01,831 I think one thing that made a black man 12 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:06,753 is more heavier for soul coming from the States 13 00:02:06,961 --> 00:02:10,465 is because of the fact that he had extra hard knocks 14 00:02:11,382 --> 00:02:13,468 and he lived with the word "can't" for so long. 15 00:02:14,427 --> 00:02:16,638 So, every time he can sing about it, 16 00:02:16,846 --> 00:02:18,056 it kind of... 17 00:02:20,058 --> 00:02:21,601 ...comes out a little bit stronger. 18 00:03:04,352 --> 00:03:05,854 I want to tell you a little story. 19 00:03:06,062 --> 00:03:08,606 This is a thing that they don't write in newspapers, 20 00:03:08,815 --> 00:03:11,359 or hear on a record, because I am sure it wouldn't sell. 21 00:03:24,581 --> 00:03:28,751 My father being a very, very poor man, undereducated, 22 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:31,379 he only got a chance to finish grade two. 23 00:03:50,565 --> 00:03:53,568 There just was no way for me to dream of becoming anything, 24 00:03:53,818 --> 00:03:56,446 but trying to be a... just a laborer, 25 00:03:56,654 --> 00:03:57,822 trying to work, you know, 26 00:03:58,031 --> 00:03:59,991 because that's all I could see around me. 27 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:01,659 My father was a laborer. 28 00:04:01,868 --> 00:04:03,453 I dreamed then of eating. 29 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:14,714 When I was a kid, we would go out and hustle the men 30 00:04:15,215 --> 00:04:17,634 for the women that was practicing prostitution. 31 00:04:23,556 --> 00:04:26,100 And I had to buck dance for the soldiers. 32 00:04:26,309 --> 00:04:28,519 They would throw quarters and nickels to see me dance. 33 00:04:35,610 --> 00:04:36,778 And I used to sing a lot. 34 00:04:37,278 --> 00:04:38,780 I'd make up songs. 35 00:04:49,749 --> 00:04:52,168 The story of it touched me so deeply. 36 00:04:52,377 --> 00:04:54,879 - You were a shoe shine boy... - In Augusta, Georgia. 37 00:04:55,255 --> 00:04:56,256 In Augusta, Georgia. 38 00:04:56,464 --> 00:04:58,465 And you carried the shoe shine box around with you, 39 00:04:58,549 --> 00:05:00,885 and one thing I was reading not too long ago, 40 00:05:01,094 --> 00:05:02,637 you held it up as an example to kids. 41 00:05:02,845 --> 00:05:04,347 Would you tell that story? 42 00:05:04,555 --> 00:05:08,810 I said, with all of the success and everything that you said 43 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,272 it still don't get away the fact that I come from the ghetto 44 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,066 and that I got my shoeshine box on my mind. 45 00:05:15,275 --> 00:05:17,819 And it broke the people up because they were very glad 46 00:05:18,027 --> 00:05:20,196 that I still remembered. 47 00:05:39,465 --> 00:05:44,053 It was Bobby Byrd's family that took young James Brown in... 48 00:05:44,262 --> 00:05:45,513 ...when he got paroled 49 00:05:45,722 --> 00:05:50,018 and really kind of helped him find his feet. 50 00:06:01,362 --> 00:06:03,406 And then they went on to create music together 51 00:06:03,614 --> 00:06:05,491 with the Famous Flames 52 00:06:05,700 --> 00:06:08,953 and Bobby Byrd had to be humble enough to understand 53 00:06:09,162 --> 00:06:10,955 this used to be my group, 54 00:06:11,164 --> 00:06:13,207 but now I got this young guy coming in here 55 00:06:13,416 --> 00:06:14,792 just kind of taking over. 56 00:06:15,043 --> 00:06:17,128 Well, he's got that thing, 57 00:06:17,337 --> 00:06:18,713 so I'm going to let him have it. 58 00:06:19,922 --> 00:06:24,010 After he got out of prison and at my home, 59 00:06:24,218 --> 00:06:25,928 I asked him to join the group. 60 00:06:26,137 --> 00:06:27,889 Had a lot of dissension in the group 61 00:06:28,097 --> 00:06:31,142 because they didn't know what type of person he was, 62 00:06:31,351 --> 00:06:33,144 they know that he was kind of rowdy, 63 00:06:33,353 --> 00:06:35,646 but when he started doing some songs that he knew, 64 00:06:35,855 --> 00:06:37,774 gospel songs of course during that time, 65 00:06:37,982 --> 00:06:39,984 something about it was different. 66 00:06:40,193 --> 00:06:45,448 The rowdy type of thing, the up-tempo, gutsy stuff. 67 00:06:46,282 --> 00:06:48,993 And the reason we know it was good because we start rehearsing 68 00:06:49,202 --> 00:06:51,079 and we had the porch would be full of people 69 00:06:51,287 --> 00:06:54,499 and everybody peeping through windows and that kind of thing. 70 00:06:54,707 --> 00:06:56,268 They didn't do that for no other groups. 71 00:06:56,417 --> 00:06:57,460 I knew we had something. 72 00:07:08,137 --> 00:07:11,391 At that time "Soul" was more or less church slang, you know. 73 00:07:11,599 --> 00:07:13,559 They found that most rhythm and blues sounds 74 00:07:13,768 --> 00:07:16,048 came out of the church, so they named them "soul singers." 75 00:07:16,896 --> 00:07:18,773 When James Brown and Bobby Byrd decided 76 00:07:18,981 --> 00:07:21,776 to put together the version of the Famous Flames, 77 00:07:21,984 --> 00:07:25,905 they took great care to not let the people in the church know 78 00:07:26,114 --> 00:07:29,117 that they were doing the secular music on Saturday night 79 00:07:29,325 --> 00:07:31,911 and coming in and singing in church on Sunday night, 80 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:33,871 because that was taboo. 81 00:07:39,043 --> 00:07:43,089 A lot of people I liked in the past, Louis Jordan... 82 00:07:47,844 --> 00:07:50,513 Mr. Brown says, "Louis Jordan was my biggest hero" 83 00:07:50,721 --> 00:07:52,282 "because he could sing, he could dance," 84 00:07:52,473 --> 00:07:54,392 "he could act, he could play." 85 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:56,436 "And he had good hair and good teeth." 86 00:08:01,357 --> 00:08:03,276 It's the longevity of Louis Jordan's career 87 00:08:03,484 --> 00:08:05,684 that had an impact, the way he handled his own business, 88 00:08:05,820 --> 00:08:07,101 the fact that he was doing music 89 00:08:07,196 --> 00:08:10,700 that was a hybrid of blues, swing music, bebop. 90 00:08:12,577 --> 00:08:14,787 That music was the R&B to rock and roll, 91 00:08:14,996 --> 00:08:16,539 the hip-hop of its time. 92 00:08:18,583 --> 00:08:21,836 And James actually considered himself a jazzman at heart. 93 00:08:22,044 --> 00:08:23,546 It's a pleasure to present to you 94 00:08:23,754 --> 00:08:26,799 the one and only Duke Ellington. 95 00:08:35,766 --> 00:08:39,854 James Brown, he liked big bands, he liked a big horn section 96 00:08:40,062 --> 00:08:43,357 and he liked instrumentals, he liked arranging. 97 00:08:43,816 --> 00:08:46,360 He liked to be a bandleader. 98 00:09:00,791 --> 00:09:06,214 He carried some of that past, of the swing era in a funny way. 99 00:09:14,639 --> 00:09:17,141 It's always been soul with me, ever since I've been singing. 100 00:09:17,475 --> 00:09:18,976 It was my opportunity, it was my knock on the door. 101 00:09:19,227 --> 00:09:20,394 THE JAMES BROWN SHOW 102 00:09:21,646 --> 00:09:24,190 Soul is survival. 103 00:09:25,900 --> 00:09:29,445 And a lot of days I sang and we got 25 cents. 104 00:09:33,449 --> 00:09:35,010 But I knew it was something I had to do. 105 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:38,454 Every time I got the opportunity I did everything I could. 106 00:09:38,663 --> 00:09:41,582 The hardest part was being black and being allowed to perform. 107 00:09:43,334 --> 00:09:45,336 Not even black at that time. Colored. 108 00:09:47,129 --> 00:09:49,507 That's what you call the segregated years. 109 00:09:49,715 --> 00:09:51,884 I came up through those years 110 00:09:52,093 --> 00:09:54,095 and I never will forget some things 111 00:09:54,303 --> 00:09:55,513 that happened with us. 112 00:09:55,721 --> 00:09:57,640 It's behind me but I won't forget them. 113 00:09:57,848 --> 00:10:00,434 You've got to keep the white and the black separate! 114 00:10:00,893 --> 00:10:04,313 James Brown, he was a father I never had in many ways. 115 00:10:04,522 --> 00:10:07,042 He said, "You didn't know about sitting at the back of the bus." 116 00:10:07,650 --> 00:10:11,946 I used to have to perform in clubs 117 00:10:12,154 --> 00:10:14,073 that I'd have to get dressed in the bus 118 00:10:14,282 --> 00:10:16,534 because I wasn't allowed to use the dressing room. 119 00:10:18,995 --> 00:10:21,622 They didn't like black folks, I'll put it that way. 120 00:10:21,872 --> 00:10:24,208 They didn't like black folks. 121 00:10:28,296 --> 00:10:30,673 Boy, what we went through. What we went through. 122 00:10:35,845 --> 00:10:38,806 You played what you called the chitlin' circuit. 123 00:10:39,765 --> 00:10:43,853 All of the gigs that you'd play were for black audiences. 124 00:10:45,688 --> 00:10:47,773 A lot of down-home Southern places 125 00:10:47,982 --> 00:10:49,692 that were kind of rough, you know. 126 00:10:49,900 --> 00:10:52,403 I remember being in Mr. Brown's dressing room... 127 00:10:52,945 --> 00:10:56,782 and something happened with the promoter didn't want to pay, 128 00:10:56,991 --> 00:10:59,744 and everybody started pulling out their guns and everything. 129 00:10:59,952 --> 00:11:01,553 And, you know, I was frightened to death. 130 00:11:02,705 --> 00:11:05,499 That was definitely the chitlin' circuit at that time. 131 00:11:09,378 --> 00:11:11,088 James Brown said, "You have to remember, Reverend," 132 00:11:11,297 --> 00:11:14,050 "when I was coming up, you had to be tall," 133 00:11:14,258 --> 00:11:17,970 "light-skinned, long wavy hair like Jackie or Smokey Robinson." 134 00:11:19,055 --> 00:11:22,141 And I was short, had African features 135 00:11:22,350 --> 00:11:23,601 and I didn't have any 136 00:11:23,809 --> 00:11:27,897 of what was considered beautiful at that time. 137 00:11:28,105 --> 00:11:32,443 I was determined to out dance and out sing everybody out there 138 00:11:32,652 --> 00:11:34,153 and I was going to work every night. 139 00:11:34,362 --> 00:11:35,613 James actually said, 140 00:11:35,821 --> 00:11:38,991 Little Richard and Hank Ballard and the Midnighters were 141 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,327 probably the two greatest influences 142 00:11:41,535 --> 00:11:43,412 on him and really that whole generation, 143 00:11:43,621 --> 00:11:45,456 moving out of gospel into doing 144 00:11:45,665 --> 00:11:48,084 what was called rock 'n' roll or R&B. 145 00:12:02,348 --> 00:12:03,724 I was in Toccoa, Georgia 146 00:12:04,016 --> 00:12:06,560 and Little Richard came down from Macon and saw me, 147 00:12:06,811 --> 00:12:09,897 and told his manager about me and I went back to Macon. 148 00:12:10,106 --> 00:12:12,108 I got to give Little Richard that credit, you know. 149 00:12:15,069 --> 00:12:17,988 Little Richard got a big contract to record in 150 00:12:18,197 --> 00:12:20,950 Los Angeles and he left behind about 30 dates 151 00:12:21,158 --> 00:12:22,827 that the management was committed to, 152 00:12:23,035 --> 00:12:25,621 so they had the bright idea to have James Brown go out 153 00:12:25,830 --> 00:12:27,665 and impersonate Little Richard. 154 00:12:30,292 --> 00:12:32,628 And so they let him do a little bit of Little Richard 155 00:12:32,837 --> 00:12:34,130 and he would do a little bit of James Brown. 156 00:12:34,338 --> 00:12:36,298 That's where James Brown really learned to scream, 157 00:12:36,507 --> 00:12:38,759 being Little Richard for about two weeks. 158 00:12:44,223 --> 00:12:45,223 It was before television, 159 00:12:45,391 --> 00:12:47,435 so nobody knew what Richard really looked like. 160 00:12:47,643 --> 00:12:48,978 He said, "And my goal was," 161 00:12:49,186 --> 00:12:50,747 "I was going to be bigger than Richard." 162 00:13:20,968 --> 00:13:24,805 The word is that when Syd Nathan, who ran King Records, 163 00:13:25,014 --> 00:13:28,726 heard them rehearsing the song, he fired the A&R guy. 164 00:13:28,976 --> 00:13:30,561 Could not hear it being a hit. 165 00:13:30,770 --> 00:13:32,104 He said, all this guy does is 166 00:13:32,313 --> 00:13:33,481 say "please, please, please" 167 00:13:33,689 --> 00:13:34,982 like, 17 times. 168 00:13:35,274 --> 00:13:36,442 Mr. Brown snuck it out, 169 00:13:36,650 --> 00:13:38,319 got it to the radio stations and it became a hit, 170 00:13:38,527 --> 00:13:41,363 and Syd Nathan just had to swallow his disdain. 171 00:13:57,713 --> 00:13:59,924 I guess my all time favorite tune would be, 172 00:14:00,132 --> 00:14:01,300 "Please, Please, Please" now, 173 00:14:01,509 --> 00:14:03,789 - because that's the tune... - That's the one that did it. 174 00:14:03,803 --> 00:14:05,554 Yeah. It gave me that extra meal. 175 00:14:05,763 --> 00:14:08,015 You think you wanted success so badly at the time 176 00:14:08,224 --> 00:14:10,344 that you were really singing "please, please, please." 177 00:14:10,476 --> 00:14:11,852 I wanted to eat, period, man. 178 00:14:12,061 --> 00:14:13,479 That's Why I did it. 179 00:14:33,499 --> 00:14:36,335 He's begging, "I got to have you, I need you in my life." 180 00:14:36,544 --> 00:14:39,463 "You got to come on, my heart is shattered..." 181 00:14:40,214 --> 00:14:41,590 ...and the women would go: 182 00:14:41,799 --> 00:14:45,386 "Somebody really hurt that man, oh, they hurt him so badly, 183 00:14:45,636 --> 00:14:47,304 I feel so sorry for him." 184 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:49,223 It worked all over the world. 185 00:15:01,777 --> 00:15:04,321 For some reason I grew up with a passion for black music. 186 00:15:07,074 --> 00:15:09,910 I was a disc jockey at a black radio station in Richmond. 187 00:15:11,787 --> 00:15:13,307 I loved James Brown like everybody else 188 00:15:13,372 --> 00:15:15,092 that was into black music in the early '60s. 189 00:15:15,124 --> 00:15:17,204 At some point you discover James Brown and it's like, 190 00:15:17,251 --> 00:15:19,003 "Oh, my god, this is the gold standard." 191 00:15:28,721 --> 00:15:30,764 The first time I saw James Brown perform live 192 00:15:30,973 --> 00:15:33,684 was in the fall of 1963, 193 00:15:33,893 --> 00:15:36,854 and I had never experienced anything like it. 194 00:15:38,022 --> 00:15:40,608 The energy that was in the room, 195 00:15:40,816 --> 00:15:43,527 it was like going into another dimension. 196 00:15:45,154 --> 00:15:46,530 In the '50s and '60s, 197 00:15:46,739 --> 00:15:49,783 black music and pop mainstream music, 198 00:15:49,992 --> 00:15:53,454 the segregation was even more rigid than it is today. 199 00:15:53,662 --> 00:15:57,374 The black music industry was entirely dependent 200 00:15:57,583 --> 00:15:58,584 on black radio, 201 00:15:58,792 --> 00:16:00,502 and the whole goal became, 202 00:16:00,711 --> 00:16:02,713 how do we cross these records over? 203 00:16:02,922 --> 00:16:04,798 Because a hit on pop radio 204 00:16:05,007 --> 00:16:06,842 represented as much as a million, 205 00:16:07,051 --> 00:16:08,844 a million-and-a-half more sales. 206 00:16:29,907 --> 00:16:31,067 After I got "Please, Please," 207 00:16:31,075 --> 00:16:32,743 it took me three years to get another hit. 208 00:16:32,952 --> 00:16:33,953 But I wouldn't give up, 209 00:16:34,161 --> 00:16:37,706 and my next hit was a tune entitled "Try Me." 210 00:16:46,423 --> 00:16:50,010 Somebody like Elvis, one record would sell ten or 15 million, 211 00:16:50,219 --> 00:16:52,763 and see, I would have to come through the race era, 212 00:16:52,972 --> 00:16:55,891 when my records were classed as R&B and race music. 213 00:17:02,648 --> 00:17:05,651 I'm just trying to figure out the market like a stock man, 214 00:17:05,859 --> 00:17:07,653 trying to see what the people will go for. 215 00:17:07,861 --> 00:17:09,238 I always worked hard on the stage, 216 00:17:09,446 --> 00:17:12,366 but you still need that record as a performer, you know. 217 00:17:12,574 --> 00:17:14,034 Everyone needs a hit record. 218 00:17:14,785 --> 00:17:17,079 James Brown was an anomaly in the industry, 219 00:17:17,287 --> 00:17:19,039 not just in his ambition, 220 00:17:19,248 --> 00:17:20,749 but he also had a situation 221 00:17:20,958 --> 00:17:23,252 that was pretty much unlike any other artist. 222 00:17:23,669 --> 00:17:25,170 He had a manager who embraced him 223 00:17:25,379 --> 00:17:27,172 and became a mentor father figure, 224 00:17:27,381 --> 00:17:28,966 who was Ben Bart. 225 00:17:29,174 --> 00:17:32,177 Ben taught James a lot of the music business 226 00:17:32,386 --> 00:17:33,846 and how to handle things. 227 00:17:34,388 --> 00:17:37,391 And Ben really loved him, and James loved him. 228 00:17:37,975 --> 00:17:41,687 It was kind of a father-son thing going on there. 229 00:17:41,895 --> 00:17:45,190 Ben was doing everything he could to move the act, 230 00:17:45,399 --> 00:17:48,068 but James had his own idea about things. 231 00:17:49,445 --> 00:17:51,405 So now, ladies and gentlemen, it is Star Time. 232 00:17:51,613 --> 00:17:53,157 Are you ready for Star Time? 233 00:17:55,492 --> 00:17:57,411 Thank you, and thank you very kindly. 234 00:17:57,619 --> 00:17:58,780 It is indeed a great pleasure 235 00:17:58,954 --> 00:18:00,956 to present to you at this particular time, 236 00:18:01,165 --> 00:18:03,625 national and international known 237 00:18:03,834 --> 00:18:06,128 as "The Hardest-Working Man In Show Business." 238 00:18:06,336 --> 00:18:08,130 Here to sing "I'll Go Crazy," 239 00:18:10,591 --> 00:18:11,967 "Try Me," 240 00:18:13,510 --> 00:18:16,805 "Mr. Dynamite," the amazing "Mr. Please, Please" himself, 241 00:18:17,014 --> 00:18:18,014 the star of the show, 242 00:18:18,182 --> 00:18:20,726 James Brown and the Famous Flames. 243 00:18:31,570 --> 00:18:33,614 He would go up to the Apollo Theater 244 00:18:33,822 --> 00:18:35,949 and they'd be standing around the Apollo Theater 245 00:18:36,158 --> 00:18:37,284 for the next show 246 00:18:37,493 --> 00:18:40,162 and that'd be around from one end of the Apollo 247 00:18:40,454 --> 00:18:43,248 around to the other end. And that's around the block. 248 00:18:44,625 --> 00:18:46,126 And they'd be standing there for the next one. 249 00:18:46,335 --> 00:18:48,375 That next show let out, and they let them people in, 250 00:18:48,462 --> 00:18:51,298 and then another line is there, waiting to get in. 251 00:18:51,507 --> 00:18:54,968 Unbelievable! And those blocks are not short. 252 00:18:56,261 --> 00:18:57,721 They made money. 253 00:19:06,980 --> 00:19:09,983 James Brown is just so linked with the Apollo 254 00:19:10,192 --> 00:19:13,821 in terms of a standard that was set, in the '60s onward. 255 00:19:14,029 --> 00:19:16,115 It was the peak of the chitlin' circuit, 256 00:19:16,323 --> 00:19:17,491 so the bands would be touring around 257 00:19:17,699 --> 00:19:19,660 and they would arrive in New York City 258 00:19:19,868 --> 00:19:23,247 to show off what they had been honing on the road. 259 00:19:23,455 --> 00:19:25,874 You'd play about six shows a day, 260 00:19:26,792 --> 00:19:29,962 each show is about two hours, and that's a lot. 261 00:19:31,505 --> 00:19:34,216 I remember going there, and I sat in the balcony. 262 00:19:35,134 --> 00:19:37,334 And there was this sort of older lady sitting next to me 263 00:19:37,469 --> 00:19:38,804 smoking a big joint. 264 00:19:39,763 --> 00:19:41,598 And I didn't know that older ladies smoked, 265 00:19:41,807 --> 00:19:43,433 you know, I was a kid. 266 00:19:44,351 --> 00:19:46,854 The James Brown show, it was like a Revue show. 267 00:19:47,896 --> 00:19:49,398 The band would play instrumentals, 268 00:19:49,606 --> 00:19:51,441 a female singer would come on, 269 00:19:51,650 --> 00:19:53,735 then Bobby Byrd would come on and sing. 270 00:19:53,944 --> 00:19:56,905 "TV Mama", they said she was five by five. 271 00:19:57,114 --> 00:20:00,826 She was five feet tall and very wide, 272 00:20:01,034 --> 00:20:03,370 and she would sing the song "All Of Me". 273 00:20:03,579 --> 00:20:05,706 "All of me, why not take all of me?" 274 00:20:05,914 --> 00:20:09,126 Then he would come on eventually and do, you know, his show. 275 00:20:18,218 --> 00:20:20,888 Apart from the fact that it was very entertaining, 276 00:20:21,096 --> 00:20:23,557 I was obviously learning from him, you know, 277 00:20:23,765 --> 00:20:26,101 trying to steal everything I could possibly do. 278 00:20:31,398 --> 00:20:35,068 Seeing him dancing and doing the audience rapport. 279 00:20:45,204 --> 00:20:48,165 Especially very young girls would go to the front 280 00:20:48,373 --> 00:20:52,711 and be screaming and carrying on in all these places 281 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,964 where he's, he's teasing them to do, 282 00:20:56,173 --> 00:20:59,176 you know, he's like, in total control of them. 283 00:21:38,465 --> 00:21:40,300 Danny Ray was the so-called "Cape Man." 284 00:21:40,509 --> 00:21:42,678 He was the guy during "Please, Please, Please" 285 00:21:42,886 --> 00:21:45,514 that would drape that cape over Brown. 286 00:21:47,224 --> 00:21:48,517 James told me that 287 00:21:48,725 --> 00:21:51,436 he was watching Gorgeous George the wrestler one day, 288 00:21:51,645 --> 00:21:53,480 after the match they'd throw a cape on him 289 00:21:53,689 --> 00:21:55,107 and he said he liked that. 290 00:22:10,289 --> 00:22:13,375 Between that period of "Please, Please, Please" and "Try Me," 291 00:22:13,583 --> 00:22:15,836 there were a gazillion singles released, 292 00:22:16,044 --> 00:22:17,645 and none of them were really catching on. 293 00:22:17,838 --> 00:22:19,506 He felt like, "Man, if people knew..." 294 00:22:19,715 --> 00:22:22,009 "...what I was offering on the stage," 295 00:22:22,217 --> 00:22:23,338 "they would come in droves." 296 00:22:29,558 --> 00:22:31,476 Syd Nathan, who ran King Records, 297 00:22:31,685 --> 00:22:32,936 didn't want to back it. 298 00:22:33,562 --> 00:22:35,897 Mr. Brown says, "No, this has got to happen." 299 00:22:36,106 --> 00:22:37,482 "I know better than this guy, 300 00:22:37,691 --> 00:22:39,531 you know, about my audience about my business." 301 00:22:39,693 --> 00:22:42,779 Mr. Brown paid for the recording himself. 302 00:22:52,372 --> 00:22:57,210 That was a huge album, and it was the worst album. 303 00:22:57,419 --> 00:23:00,630 Screams and stuff all over it, cymbals falling, 304 00:23:01,423 --> 00:23:04,134 and they put that out, just like that. 305 00:23:22,611 --> 00:23:28,575 Every black household had "Live at the Apollo Volume One". 306 00:23:29,326 --> 00:23:31,536 Mine included. Like that album was so powerful, 307 00:23:31,745 --> 00:23:34,915 DJs would love to play the entire side. 308 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:47,219 His first million seller was the "Live at the Apollo Volume One." 309 00:23:47,427 --> 00:23:50,847 It really just kind of blows up on the national marketplace. 310 00:23:54,935 --> 00:23:56,269 For an R&B record to be released in England 311 00:23:56,478 --> 00:23:57,478 it had to be quite big. 312 00:23:59,940 --> 00:24:02,067 Everyone had that record and they played it to death. 313 00:24:05,987 --> 00:24:08,949 He did want the benefits of crossing over. 314 00:24:09,157 --> 00:24:13,036 He resented being pigeonholed as a "race artist," 315 00:24:13,245 --> 00:24:17,249 but he embraced what that meant emotionally and culturally, 316 00:24:17,457 --> 00:24:20,585 so it was a very, very thin line he was walking. 317 00:24:29,928 --> 00:24:33,890 Again and again, we must rise to the majestic heights 318 00:24:34,766 --> 00:24:37,602 of meeting physical force with soul force. 319 00:24:40,147 --> 00:24:43,275 We're nonviolent with people who are nonviolent with us. 320 00:24:47,696 --> 00:24:51,533 My fellow Americans, I am about to sign into law 321 00:24:51,741 --> 00:24:54,077 the civil rights act of 1964. 322 00:24:54,995 --> 00:24:58,165 This civil rights act is a challenge to all of us, 323 00:24:58,373 --> 00:24:59,666 to eliminate the 324 00:24:59,916 --> 00:25:03,962 last vestiges of injustice in our beloved country. 325 00:25:07,591 --> 00:25:12,637 The James Brown tour was able to do hundreds of shows 326 00:25:12,888 --> 00:25:14,848 all over black America, 327 00:25:15,098 --> 00:25:18,185 grossing about a million dollars a year. 328 00:25:20,937 --> 00:25:23,356 We're talking about '63, '64, 329 00:25:23,565 --> 00:25:25,358 he became a millionaire quietly, 330 00:25:25,567 --> 00:25:29,196 so a lot of what the civil rights movement was trying to do 331 00:25:29,404 --> 00:25:31,740 in terms of the hope of economic justice, 332 00:25:31,948 --> 00:25:34,284 he's already been to the top of that mountaintop. 333 00:25:34,701 --> 00:25:36,953 He's a civil rights movement of one. 334 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,250 This is the group that was there in 1964, 335 00:25:42,459 --> 00:25:44,127 that's Maceo in the back. 336 00:25:44,794 --> 00:25:47,339 That's Melvin Parker, 19 years old. 337 00:25:47,547 --> 00:25:50,383 James told me, "If you ever need a job," 338 00:25:50,592 --> 00:25:52,177 "playing those drums the way you play," 339 00:25:52,385 --> 00:25:53,678 "you have a job with me." 340 00:25:53,929 --> 00:25:55,388 I said, "Oh, by the way..." 341 00:25:55,597 --> 00:25:57,182 "This is my brother, my brother Maceo," 342 00:25:57,390 --> 00:25:59,100 "he's a saxophone player." 343 00:25:59,684 --> 00:26:01,520 "He needs a job, too." 344 00:26:01,728 --> 00:26:04,064 He said, "Well, I don't need a saxophone player." 345 00:26:05,023 --> 00:26:06,566 And I gave him that look. 346 00:26:08,777 --> 00:26:11,655 He said, "Oh, just a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute," 347 00:26:11,863 --> 00:26:13,573 "we had, we need a baritone player." 348 00:26:13,782 --> 00:26:15,422 "My baritone player left the other night." 349 00:26:15,534 --> 00:26:17,536 He said, "Can you play baritone?" to Maceo. 350 00:26:17,744 --> 00:26:20,121 My major instrument at the time was the tenor saxophone, 351 00:26:20,330 --> 00:26:21,790 but I answer like this, "Uhhh," 352 00:26:21,998 --> 00:26:25,168 with a long "Uhhh", yes, sir, yes, yes I do." 353 00:26:25,377 --> 00:26:26,586 I can't say no. 354 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:28,001 He said, "I tell you what," 355 00:26:28,171 --> 00:26:30,173 "you can meet us, along with your brother," 356 00:26:30,549 --> 00:26:32,717 "two nights following." 357 00:26:33,552 --> 00:26:34,594 "How about that?" 358 00:26:34,803 --> 00:26:37,597 And we would go, "wow, this is great." 359 00:26:37,806 --> 00:26:39,766 And then we got The T.A.M.I. Show, 360 00:26:39,975 --> 00:26:41,142 now that was fun. 361 00:26:49,234 --> 00:26:52,988 I have been in the black community ever since '56, 362 00:26:53,196 --> 00:26:56,408 but it really started happening for me in 1964. 363 00:26:56,741 --> 00:26:58,502 I had the pleasure of doing The T.A.M.I. Show 364 00:26:58,577 --> 00:27:01,288 with the Rolling Stones, Gerry and the Pacemakers, 365 00:27:01,496 --> 00:27:04,541 the Supremes, all the major acts, you know. 366 00:27:05,959 --> 00:27:08,962 It made the white America familiar with James Brown, 367 00:27:09,170 --> 00:27:10,255 and what he was doing. 368 00:27:26,354 --> 00:27:28,147 The T.A.M.I. Show was a major breakthrough. 369 00:27:28,356 --> 00:27:29,816 It pitted Brown, 370 00:27:30,025 --> 00:27:32,986 who had largely been confined to the chitlin' circuit, 371 00:27:33,194 --> 00:27:34,321 against all these artists 372 00:27:34,529 --> 00:27:36,740 who were tearing the country up at that time. 373 00:27:49,753 --> 00:27:51,964 The T.A.M.I. Show is not really a show. 374 00:27:52,172 --> 00:27:53,423 It was shot like a movie. 375 00:27:53,632 --> 00:27:55,133 You break for an hour, 376 00:27:55,342 --> 00:27:57,177 and then the other act comes on and then they break for an hour, 377 00:27:57,385 --> 00:27:58,762 then they re-light and they change the audience, 378 00:27:58,970 --> 00:28:00,263 and another act comes on. 379 00:28:09,481 --> 00:28:11,900 The story goes that James Brown is annoyed 380 00:28:12,108 --> 00:28:13,735 that he is not closing the show, 381 00:28:14,235 --> 00:28:17,489 and so I was asked by the producers of the show 382 00:28:17,697 --> 00:28:19,366 to go and talk to him because I knew him. 383 00:28:19,574 --> 00:28:21,743 I said, "sure," you know, I was, what, 20 years old. 384 00:28:21,951 --> 00:28:23,953 I was supposed to talk him down and say: 385 00:28:24,329 --> 00:28:25,789 "Yeah, don't worry it's a movie," 386 00:28:25,997 --> 00:28:27,624 "you don't know what's going to happen in the movie." 387 00:28:27,832 --> 00:28:29,125 "They may, you know, cut it..." 388 00:28:29,334 --> 00:28:31,503 which, which ever, which is all true, 389 00:28:31,711 --> 00:28:34,130 but I mean, that wasn't really the point 390 00:28:34,339 --> 00:28:35,740 as far as James Brown was concerned. 391 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:37,676 He wasn't really that mad, 392 00:28:37,884 --> 00:28:40,136 but he was a bit pissed off, I think. 393 00:28:45,850 --> 00:28:47,852 Well, wait a second, wait a second... 394 00:28:48,061 --> 00:28:49,562 He apparently said something like, 395 00:28:49,771 --> 00:28:51,314 "Well, I'm going to kill." 396 00:28:51,523 --> 00:28:54,317 Well, fine, but that, that's good. 397 00:28:55,527 --> 00:28:56,569 He did. 398 00:30:19,319 --> 00:30:22,447 It was definitely an apotheosis. 399 00:30:22,739 --> 00:30:26,576 You were distraught to where you'd collapse in begging. 400 00:30:26,785 --> 00:30:28,912 But somehow the strength sweeps you up, 401 00:30:29,704 --> 00:30:31,748 and then you rise like a phoenix again. 402 00:30:38,421 --> 00:30:41,382 And people you could watch in the audience 403 00:30:41,591 --> 00:30:42,759 would go through this, 404 00:30:43,134 --> 00:30:45,178 probably reliving their own lives. 405 00:31:15,542 --> 00:31:19,587 The idea is that he's got to be taken away against his own will. 406 00:31:20,046 --> 00:31:21,714 It's just not good for him to do anymore. 407 00:31:28,429 --> 00:31:31,766 It's obviously an act, but you worry about him. 408 00:31:36,646 --> 00:31:38,523 The people would say, "Oh, don't take him. 409 00:31:38,731 --> 00:31:40,024 He must be looked after." 410 00:31:40,233 --> 00:31:42,443 You know, "I want to be the one to look after him." 411 00:31:45,113 --> 00:31:47,740 Are you ready for the "Night Train"? 412 00:31:49,784 --> 00:31:51,786 When we got to "Night Train", 413 00:31:51,995 --> 00:31:53,246 Sam, the bass player, whispered in my ear. 414 00:31:53,454 --> 00:31:54,789 He said, "Melvin." 415 00:31:54,998 --> 00:31:57,417 "Let's see if those guys can keep up with us." 416 00:31:58,001 --> 00:32:00,295 Night! Night! 417 00:32:00,503 --> 00:32:03,965 He said, "Night! Night! Train!" 418 00:32:08,386 --> 00:32:10,305 It was off to the races... 419 00:32:28,907 --> 00:32:31,284 There's that famous story of Mick Jagger 420 00:32:31,534 --> 00:32:33,828 standing off the side of the stage watching Brown, 421 00:32:34,037 --> 00:32:36,831 and just being devastated and traumatized. 422 00:33:05,693 --> 00:33:07,987 No, that's bullshit, because the whole place was cleared. 423 00:33:08,196 --> 00:33:10,281 And, like, they re-lit the whole thing. 424 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:26,089 Now it went to another audience and screaming teenage girls. 425 00:33:26,798 --> 00:33:28,841 I don't think they'd even seen James Brown. 426 00:33:29,050 --> 00:33:30,677 And it was hours later. 427 00:33:44,273 --> 00:33:47,318 So, what I said to him was actually true. 428 00:33:47,527 --> 00:33:52,073 But if you watch the film, then you see us up against him. 429 00:33:52,281 --> 00:33:53,491 So it's a bit... 430 00:34:00,832 --> 00:34:02,232 Then you go, like, "Well, you know," 431 00:34:02,375 --> 00:34:04,415 "they're not quite as good as James Brown for real." 432 00:34:04,544 --> 00:34:07,797 But, you know, whatever. 433 00:34:13,553 --> 00:34:15,179 We were performing at the Howard Theater. 434 00:34:15,388 --> 00:34:16,388 We were on stage, 435 00:34:16,556 --> 00:34:19,225 it was such a big ruckus in the audience. 436 00:34:19,434 --> 00:34:21,310 You know, and I said, we must be getting down. 437 00:34:21,519 --> 00:34:23,520 The people getting crazy out there in the audience, 438 00:34:23,646 --> 00:34:25,940 making all that noise, jumping up and down. 439 00:34:26,149 --> 00:34:28,234 Of course, James Brown in the audience. 440 00:34:28,443 --> 00:34:34,073 You know, so, it was so exciting to meet James Brown, 1965. 441 00:34:34,282 --> 00:34:35,616 He was at his peak. 442 00:34:37,201 --> 00:34:40,288 He asked us, would we travel with him. 443 00:34:40,496 --> 00:34:42,123 It was like, oh, my God. 444 00:34:43,207 --> 00:34:44,959 And he gave me the name High. 445 00:34:45,793 --> 00:34:48,379 My name is Martha Harvin. 446 00:34:49,839 --> 00:34:52,967 But he said to me one day, "Martha Harvin," 447 00:34:54,302 --> 00:34:56,095 "that's not a name for the stage." 448 00:34:57,013 --> 00:34:58,848 "I got to come up with a name for you." 449 00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:02,101 "Let me see. What should I call you?" 450 00:35:02,310 --> 00:35:03,436 "I know." 451 00:35:04,353 --> 00:35:07,315 "I'm going to call you 'Martha High.' " 452 00:35:08,149 --> 00:35:09,525 And I said, Martha High? 453 00:35:09,734 --> 00:35:10,943 "How you like that?" 454 00:35:11,444 --> 00:35:13,696 And I said, oh, okay. 455 00:35:15,448 --> 00:35:17,283 "Martha High, that's what it's going to be." 456 00:35:18,159 --> 00:35:20,661 He wanted everything. He wanted your all. 457 00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:22,288 And he gave his all. 458 00:35:45,103 --> 00:35:49,107 Up until "Papa's Got A Brand New Bag" in 1965, 459 00:35:49,315 --> 00:35:51,234 all of the James Brown stuff seemed pretty traditional. 460 00:35:51,442 --> 00:35:54,445 It was like kind of coming out of this blues gospel feel. 461 00:35:55,947 --> 00:36:00,159 That, coupled with his love for jazz and embracing the unknown, 462 00:36:00,535 --> 00:36:05,039 it came as the early ingredients of what we call funk. 463 00:36:29,730 --> 00:36:32,233 "Papa's Got A Brand New Bag" had the guitar sound. 464 00:36:32,817 --> 00:36:35,027 James heard it. "Jimmy, give me this." 465 00:36:39,073 --> 00:36:41,159 I mean, the funk was just there. 466 00:36:54,755 --> 00:36:57,049 Now what you had was called a vamp. 467 00:36:57,258 --> 00:37:01,012 Vamps were only used mostly in live performances. 468 00:37:01,304 --> 00:37:04,599 The vocalist wanted to talk to the audience and jive around. 469 00:37:14,609 --> 00:37:17,236 Now of course, in his live shows, he vamped all the time. 470 00:37:17,445 --> 00:37:19,655 But nobody would ever think to go in the studio 471 00:37:19,864 --> 00:37:20,864 and record the vamp. 472 00:37:21,032 --> 00:37:25,411 You don't take a two bar phrase and repeat it ad nauseam 473 00:37:25,620 --> 00:37:26,954 and call that a song. 474 00:37:27,163 --> 00:37:29,290 That's exactly what James Brown 475 00:37:29,540 --> 00:37:31,375 wound up doing through that period. 476 00:38:08,621 --> 00:38:10,039 It was James Brown. 477 00:38:54,792 --> 00:38:56,335 I think, without question, 478 00:38:56,544 --> 00:39:02,383 Alfred "Pee Wee" Ellis is one of the most important co-pilots 479 00:39:02,591 --> 00:39:04,218 of the James Brown sound. 480 00:39:13,394 --> 00:39:17,606 Pee Wee's seriousness and his sense of jazz 481 00:39:17,815 --> 00:39:20,443 and understanding what Mr. Brown was going for. 482 00:39:20,651 --> 00:39:24,780 I think the two of them really were a quite a formidable team. 483 00:39:30,619 --> 00:39:31,746 I got drafted. 484 00:39:32,455 --> 00:39:34,248 James mentioned to me 485 00:39:34,457 --> 00:39:37,668 that he was thinking about getting Bobby Bland's drummer, 486 00:39:37,877 --> 00:39:39,295 Jab'o, to join the group. 487 00:39:39,503 --> 00:39:41,839 I said, yes, that's what you do. 488 00:39:42,548 --> 00:39:46,260 James Brown had been listening to Bobby 489 00:39:46,469 --> 00:39:49,221 and he sent one of his people 490 00:39:49,430 --> 00:39:52,183 to ask me if I wanted to join his band. 491 00:39:52,808 --> 00:39:55,936 He said "Whatever they're paying you over there with Bobby," 492 00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:58,022 "I will double that." 493 00:39:58,939 --> 00:40:01,442 But then you have to understand when I joined that band, 494 00:40:01,650 --> 00:40:03,778 what was going on when I first got there, too. 495 00:40:05,780 --> 00:40:07,865 Five drummers on stage. 496 00:40:11,243 --> 00:40:14,246 Maybe two weeks after that, he hired Clyde. 497 00:40:16,165 --> 00:40:19,668 He took me out on stage and there was five drum sets. 498 00:40:21,128 --> 00:40:24,507 Five drummers on his show, I went, oh, my God! 499 00:40:25,299 --> 00:40:28,010 You know? All these drummers. What do he want me for? 500 00:40:30,096 --> 00:40:31,416 He says, "Pick out a set of drums. 501 00:40:31,555 --> 00:40:33,891 We going to do a little jam. See what you do." 502 00:40:34,350 --> 00:40:37,186 And I was scared, number one. I was totally scared. 503 00:40:37,395 --> 00:40:39,271 I was going, God, what am I doing? 504 00:40:41,190 --> 00:40:43,025 And I left out of there and went to the dressing room 505 00:40:43,234 --> 00:40:44,693 where the band was dressing. 506 00:40:44,902 --> 00:40:47,071 And there was Jab'o sitting in there. 507 00:40:47,363 --> 00:40:49,782 I said, who you used to play for before you came here? 508 00:40:49,990 --> 00:40:50,990 He says, "Bobby Bland." 509 00:40:51,158 --> 00:40:53,577 I said, you played with Bobby Bland? 510 00:40:53,786 --> 00:40:55,329 That was one of my favorites. 511 00:40:55,538 --> 00:40:57,665 And that's when Jab'o and I said, man, we're not playing enough. 512 00:40:57,873 --> 00:40:59,708 We got to get rid of some of these drummers. 513 00:41:00,084 --> 00:41:02,211 I go, yeah, man. We got to get rid of them. 514 00:41:02,586 --> 00:41:04,505 So we started knocking them off 515 00:41:04,797 --> 00:41:06,715 until it got down to Jab'o and I. 516 00:41:06,924 --> 00:41:10,344 Jabo's style is more of a blues shuffle. 517 00:41:10,553 --> 00:41:11,554 Like... 518 00:41:17,101 --> 00:41:19,145 My style is... 519 00:41:24,024 --> 00:41:28,028 He plays jazz and blues more, and I played funk and soul. 520 00:41:28,237 --> 00:41:30,406 We took it over. We had it. 521 00:41:32,658 --> 00:41:33,659 Attention, everyone. 522 00:41:33,868 --> 00:41:36,245 James Brown is coming to your area. 523 00:41:36,454 --> 00:41:38,094 The show everyone has been waiting to see. 524 00:41:38,164 --> 00:41:39,915 The dynamic king of rock and roll. 525 00:41:40,124 --> 00:41:42,668 Star of stage, screen and television, James Brown! 526 00:41:42,877 --> 00:41:45,296 And his big variety show for '66 527 00:41:45,504 --> 00:41:47,715 featuring Bobby Byrd, the Famous Flames, 528 00:41:47,923 --> 00:41:50,134 James Crawford, "TV Mama" Elsie Mae, 529 00:41:50,342 --> 00:41:51,342 The Jewels. 530 00:41:51,510 --> 00:41:55,514 In the early '60s, he worked almost constantly. 531 00:41:56,599 --> 00:41:59,310 Three hundred sixty two days, probably. 532 00:42:47,149 --> 00:42:48,589 Thank you, greetings and Salutations, 533 00:42:48,776 --> 00:42:49,902 ladies and gentlemen. 534 00:42:50,110 --> 00:42:51,445 I'm your emcee, Danny Ray. 535 00:42:51,987 --> 00:42:54,388 I would like to name a few tunes of the past and the present. 536 00:42:54,532 --> 00:42:57,993 Such tunes as "Try Me", "Signed, Sealed and Delivered", 537 00:42:58,202 --> 00:43:00,996 "Out Of Sight", "Papa's Got A Brand New Bag", 538 00:43:01,205 --> 00:43:02,414 "Oh, I Feel Good". 539 00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,000 Introducing the King of Soul, 540 00:43:05,209 --> 00:43:07,378 recently has been crowned as one of the hardest working 541 00:43:07,586 --> 00:43:09,004 entertainers in the world. 542 00:43:09,630 --> 00:43:12,132 The living legend, the fantastic, Mr. Dynamite, 543 00:43:12,341 --> 00:43:13,551 James Brown! 544 00:43:20,057 --> 00:43:22,268 Once he walked on stage, the band, 545 00:43:22,476 --> 00:43:25,729 we pay attention to James Brown, nobody else but him. 546 00:43:27,273 --> 00:43:29,358 You never took your eye off of him. 547 00:43:29,567 --> 00:43:32,695 Because, see, he had things that he was doing. 548 00:43:41,453 --> 00:43:44,164 I had to keep the time going to the music, 549 00:43:44,623 --> 00:43:48,586 but ready at any time to accent his moves. 550 00:43:51,005 --> 00:43:52,756 Hits, that's what we would call hits. 551 00:43:55,050 --> 00:43:57,469 He'll make the hits. We loved to do that, you know. 552 00:43:57,678 --> 00:43:58,679 We would hit with him. 553 00:43:58,929 --> 00:44:02,224 And he would try to trick us, and we would get him. 554 00:44:06,979 --> 00:44:09,023 If he would see that you're not watching him, 555 00:44:09,231 --> 00:44:12,443 he would change the song just like that. 556 00:44:12,651 --> 00:44:15,446 To throw you off, and then he'll fine you. 557 00:44:16,780 --> 00:44:18,073 He would go like this, you know. 558 00:44:18,282 --> 00:44:20,284 That would be like five, ten, fifteen, twenty. 559 00:44:20,492 --> 00:44:21,702 He would look at a guy, 560 00:44:21,910 --> 00:44:24,288 and fine them five, fifteen, twenty dollars like that. 561 00:44:31,462 --> 00:44:33,005 Oh, God, yeah. 562 00:44:33,714 --> 00:44:36,050 That's $30 coming out of your pay. 563 00:44:36,258 --> 00:44:37,676 For what, you don't know. 564 00:44:38,844 --> 00:44:40,724 There's one more thing I want to say right here. 565 00:44:45,517 --> 00:44:47,936 I guess you can say James Brown was a tyrant, 566 00:44:48,145 --> 00:44:51,315 maybe because he fought so hard to learn what he was doing 567 00:44:51,523 --> 00:44:53,442 and learn every aspect of his business. 568 00:44:53,651 --> 00:44:55,194 He set the bar very, very high. 569 00:45:28,268 --> 00:45:31,522 There was nobody in the business, period, 570 00:45:32,147 --> 00:45:34,817 that dressed no better than the James Brown Band. 571 00:45:36,527 --> 00:45:37,528 Oh, man. 572 00:45:51,834 --> 00:45:53,877 He would play seven days a week, 573 00:45:54,086 --> 00:45:56,088 tailor your uniforms twice a gig, 574 00:45:56,296 --> 00:45:59,925 show up every gig, pressed, clean. 575 00:46:00,259 --> 00:46:01,339 I don't know how we did it. 576 00:46:01,427 --> 00:46:02,886 I can't even remember how we did it. 577 00:46:05,013 --> 00:46:07,182 He would look me up and down and say, 578 00:46:07,391 --> 00:46:08,767 "Miss High... 579 00:46:09,685 --> 00:46:11,562 ...that dress has gotten tight." 580 00:46:11,770 --> 00:46:13,772 He was very particular about what you wore 581 00:46:13,981 --> 00:46:15,274 or how you look. 582 00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,944 We had fines if you didn't have creases in your clothes. 583 00:46:19,153 --> 00:46:21,739 Fines if your shoes weren't together. 584 00:46:21,947 --> 00:46:24,825 And then it got to where you had to ride on the bus 585 00:46:25,033 --> 00:46:26,160 in a suit and tie. 586 00:46:27,828 --> 00:46:28,828 As he always said, 587 00:46:28,996 --> 00:46:31,123 "Well, you can't never tell what might happen. 588 00:46:31,331 --> 00:46:34,585 Somebody might be there, and you'd be already dressed." 589 00:46:36,628 --> 00:46:38,672 He preached stage decorum. 590 00:46:39,506 --> 00:46:40,591 Punctuality. 591 00:46:40,799 --> 00:46:43,093 Mister this, Mister that. Pride. 592 00:46:43,635 --> 00:46:45,012 It was all positive. 593 00:46:46,889 --> 00:46:48,307 As the years went on, I said, 594 00:46:48,515 --> 00:46:50,726 the Mister thing, where did that come from? 595 00:46:50,934 --> 00:46:53,604 He said, "Alan, you got to understand something." 596 00:46:53,812 --> 00:46:55,814 "Where I grew up, when I grew up," 597 00:46:56,607 --> 00:46:57,858 "I was always Jimmy." 598 00:46:59,151 --> 00:47:00,736 "My name ain't never been Jimmy." 599 00:47:00,944 --> 00:47:02,696 "If they wouldn't call me James," 600 00:47:03,989 --> 00:47:06,241 "you know they really weren't going to call me mister." 601 00:47:07,242 --> 00:47:08,744 "But I reached a point" 602 00:47:08,952 --> 00:47:11,246 "where if you were willing to do business with me," 603 00:47:12,289 --> 00:47:13,707 "you had to call me mister." 604 00:47:13,916 --> 00:47:17,336 "And the only way to do that is set the example." 605 00:47:18,253 --> 00:47:21,924 I realized how that really had contributed 606 00:47:22,132 --> 00:47:24,968 to his relationships with white people. 607 00:47:25,177 --> 00:47:26,458 Again, particularly in the South, 608 00:47:26,553 --> 00:47:28,639 who controlled a lot of the venues. 609 00:47:29,181 --> 00:47:31,141 Business is a part you've got to adapt yourself to 610 00:47:31,225 --> 00:47:34,102 so you can be prepared for whatever might come up. 611 00:47:34,686 --> 00:47:37,189 I work with the artists, and I've... 612 00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:39,525 Forever and ever talking 613 00:47:39,733 --> 00:47:43,320 and trying to get the fellows to get their business together. 614 00:47:52,955 --> 00:47:54,540 James was in charge 615 00:47:54,748 --> 00:47:57,000 of whatever happened with his organization. 616 00:48:00,337 --> 00:48:03,006 The manager that he had, Ben Bart, 617 00:48:03,215 --> 00:48:04,800 it's still was James 618 00:48:05,008 --> 00:48:06,728 that made the decisions as to what happened. 619 00:48:08,428 --> 00:48:10,806 Because everything had to come through him. 620 00:48:11,890 --> 00:48:15,394 He saw people like Berry Gordy and what they were accomplishing 621 00:48:15,602 --> 00:48:17,104 and he wanted to be a part of that. 622 00:48:17,312 --> 00:48:20,440 He didn't want to just be that guy who sings and dances. 623 00:48:20,649 --> 00:48:22,651 But then there was The Ed Sullivan Show. 624 00:48:24,444 --> 00:48:26,989 I was talking to young Jim Brown, 625 00:48:27,197 --> 00:48:29,199 he was born in Augusta, Georgia. 626 00:48:29,408 --> 00:48:32,160 Where he worked on a farm, picked cotton 627 00:48:32,369 --> 00:48:36,290 and worked in a coal yard, and always sang his songs. 628 00:48:36,498 --> 00:48:39,751 So we are delighted to present James Brown 629 00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:41,086 on our stage on this show. 630 00:48:41,295 --> 00:48:44,464 So let's have a fine welcome for a very fine talent. 631 00:49:05,277 --> 00:49:06,612 I remember when James Brown 632 00:49:06,820 --> 00:49:09,239 was booked to play Ed Sullivan for the first time, 633 00:49:09,865 --> 00:49:12,242 black radio was promoting it like a major event. 634 00:49:26,214 --> 00:49:29,217 Understand when black artists would come on Ed Sullivan, 635 00:49:29,426 --> 00:49:30,761 they would usually come on 636 00:49:30,969 --> 00:49:34,097 and perform with Ed Sullivan's house band, 637 00:49:34,890 --> 00:49:36,050 who were excellent musicians. 638 00:49:36,183 --> 00:49:38,393 But you got no soul out of them at all. 639 00:49:43,649 --> 00:49:44,733 James Brown made it clear 640 00:49:44,942 --> 00:49:47,819 he was coming on one way and one way only, 641 00:49:48,028 --> 00:49:49,696 and that was with his full band. 642 00:49:50,238 --> 00:49:52,407 So you were going to see the James Brown Show. 643 00:50:21,728 --> 00:50:22,889 Sullivan was the kind of show 644 00:50:23,021 --> 00:50:25,399 where the whole family sat in front of the TV on Sunday 645 00:50:25,607 --> 00:50:26,650 and watched together. 646 00:50:26,858 --> 00:50:28,068 So my mom and dad, it's like, 647 00:50:28,276 --> 00:50:30,195 "Oh, that James Brown you always talk about." 648 00:50:37,285 --> 00:50:40,080 It was like watching something from outer space for them. 649 00:50:44,292 --> 00:50:47,379 And I imagine white America, probably their jaws dropped. 650 00:50:57,389 --> 00:50:58,670 The Ed Sullivan Show was the peak 651 00:50:58,765 --> 00:51:01,351 of American musical entertainment at that time. 652 00:51:08,108 --> 00:51:09,818 The black community was very proud 653 00:51:10,027 --> 00:51:12,320 that he would be on the same show 654 00:51:12,529 --> 00:51:14,531 that presented Elvis and the Beatles, 655 00:51:14,781 --> 00:51:17,576 and that catapulted him to a whole new level. 656 00:51:25,208 --> 00:51:27,711 My act was so revolutionary, they couldn't believe it. 657 00:51:28,211 --> 00:51:30,839 I got so many applause at the dress rehearsal, 658 00:51:31,048 --> 00:51:33,248 they didn't know if they should keep the dress rehearsal 659 00:51:33,341 --> 00:51:34,551 or film it again. 660 00:51:38,597 --> 00:51:42,142 I was sure of myself, I knew what I had. 661 00:51:45,145 --> 00:51:47,022 Fine. Thank you very, very much. 662 00:51:47,230 --> 00:51:50,317 Singing was the first step to the real things I wanted to do. 663 00:51:53,487 --> 00:51:55,197 Programs normally seen at this time 664 00:51:55,405 --> 00:51:56,656 will not be broadcast 665 00:51:56,865 --> 00:52:00,118 in order to bring you this CBS News Special Report: 666 00:52:00,327 --> 00:52:01,703 The March in Mississippi. 667 00:52:02,204 --> 00:52:04,790 I plan to begin my voter registration march 668 00:52:05,207 --> 00:52:09,377 into Mississippi on Sunday, June 5th, 1966, 669 00:52:10,212 --> 00:52:12,881 from the downtown Memphis Peabody Hotel. 670 00:52:13,090 --> 00:52:14,890 They call it the place where the Delta begins, 671 00:52:15,050 --> 00:52:17,594 the Mississippi Delta of rich soil and big plantations 672 00:52:17,803 --> 00:52:20,138 and a population that is predominantly Negro. 673 00:52:20,347 --> 00:52:22,516 "If I can walk through Mississippi without harm," 674 00:52:22,724 --> 00:52:23,975 Meredith told reporters, 675 00:52:24,184 --> 00:52:26,269 "other Negroes will see that they can, too." 676 00:52:26,728 --> 00:52:28,313 Not everyone was glad to see him. 677 00:52:28,814 --> 00:52:29,981 Two miles further on, 678 00:52:30,190 --> 00:52:32,651 Meredith was felled by three shotgun blasts. 679 00:52:45,997 --> 00:52:47,557 From the moment the civil rights leaders 680 00:52:47,624 --> 00:52:49,501 rushed in to continue James Meredith's march, 681 00:52:49,709 --> 00:52:50,710 there's been a struggle 682 00:52:50,919 --> 00:52:53,046 to see whose philosophy would guide the steps. 683 00:52:53,755 --> 00:52:55,257 The moderates or the militants. 684 00:52:56,716 --> 00:52:59,052 - What do you want? - Freedom! 685 00:52:59,261 --> 00:53:01,304 - When do want it? - Now! 686 00:53:01,513 --> 00:53:03,807 - How much of it do you want? - All of it! 687 00:53:04,141 --> 00:53:06,393 - We want Black Power! - Black Power! 688 00:53:06,601 --> 00:53:08,228 We want Black Power! What do you want? 689 00:53:08,436 --> 00:53:09,729 Black Power! 690 00:53:14,609 --> 00:53:17,195 As we went down the highway, 691 00:53:17,404 --> 00:53:19,865 we recognized that we had to overcome our fears. 692 00:53:20,407 --> 00:53:23,702 And we also knew that we had to challenge 693 00:53:23,910 --> 00:53:26,997 the old tactics and strategies of the civil rights movement. 694 00:53:27,205 --> 00:53:29,791 It was just too slow for the younger generation. 695 00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,502 We wanted our freedom and we wanted it then. 696 00:53:33,378 --> 00:53:34,588 Black Power! 697 00:53:34,796 --> 00:53:38,175 - What do you want? - Black Power! 698 00:53:43,555 --> 00:53:44,931 We had some situations 699 00:53:45,140 --> 00:53:48,685 where they used tear gas and beat the hell out of people. 700 00:53:48,894 --> 00:53:50,187 But we began to recognize 701 00:53:50,395 --> 00:53:53,064 that we gonna actually make it to the state capitol 702 00:53:53,273 --> 00:53:55,567 and we said that we needed a major event. 703 00:53:55,775 --> 00:53:57,194 And who was the better person 704 00:53:57,402 --> 00:54:00,155 to carry the message we're trying to carry in, 705 00:54:00,363 --> 00:54:03,283 but a soul singer like James Brown. 706 00:54:16,213 --> 00:54:18,340 Like a lot of black entertainers, 707 00:54:18,548 --> 00:54:22,093 as the civil rights movement really begins to pick up steam, 708 00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:24,679 they had to kind of pick a side. 709 00:54:26,223 --> 00:54:29,309 He said, "You got to understand, I don't believe in non-violence." 710 00:54:29,517 --> 00:54:31,019 "You grew up admiring Dr. King." 711 00:54:31,228 --> 00:54:32,562 "I respected him," 712 00:54:32,771 --> 00:54:35,440 "but I carried two or three guns all the time." 713 00:54:35,649 --> 00:54:40,528 "But I wanted to reflect the fervor of what's going on." 714 00:54:46,284 --> 00:54:49,996 When we flew into Jackson, they met us out there 715 00:54:50,205 --> 00:54:51,623 and they had the dogs and the guns. 716 00:54:51,831 --> 00:54:56,628 They surrounded his plane while we went in to do the concert. 717 00:54:58,546 --> 00:55:02,092 I don't know if I had enough time to be afraid. 718 00:55:02,300 --> 00:55:03,468 It was touchy. 719 00:55:04,177 --> 00:55:05,470 At Tougaloo College, 720 00:55:05,679 --> 00:55:08,556 just eight miles outside of Jackson, Mississippi, 721 00:55:09,182 --> 00:55:12,435 Hollywood and Broadway's salute to the Meredith Marchers. 722 00:55:13,144 --> 00:55:14,396 The program has just started 723 00:55:14,604 --> 00:55:17,857 and on the stage right now, James Brown. 724 00:55:18,108 --> 00:55:19,442 Let's join him there. 725 00:55:21,736 --> 00:55:24,656 Dr. King and all the other civil rights leaders 726 00:55:24,864 --> 00:55:27,951 were working out the program for the next day. 727 00:55:28,159 --> 00:55:30,203 And Dr. King said, "Look here, you all." 728 00:55:30,412 --> 00:55:32,539 "You all can sit around here and have this argument if you want to." 729 00:55:32,747 --> 00:55:34,108 "I'm going to go see James Brown." 730 00:55:40,630 --> 00:55:43,341 It was just euphoria all over the place, 731 00:55:43,550 --> 00:55:46,344 that James Brown is here with us, you know. 732 00:55:46,553 --> 00:55:50,348 And he said, "Hey, you all, you marched all the way through" 733 00:55:50,557 --> 00:55:53,727 "and you have fought back and gave a courageous fight." 734 00:55:53,935 --> 00:55:55,312 He just galvanized the crowd. 735 00:56:06,072 --> 00:56:08,867 We have Dr. Martin Luther King right before the platform. 736 00:56:09,075 --> 00:56:11,202 Dr. King, what do you think of this rally tonight? 737 00:56:11,411 --> 00:56:13,621 Oh, it's a marvelous turnout 738 00:56:14,581 --> 00:56:16,291 and I'm happy about the fact 739 00:56:16,499 --> 00:56:19,085 that many of our outstanding entertainers 740 00:56:19,753 --> 00:56:23,048 have been willing to take time out of their very busy schedules 741 00:56:23,631 --> 00:56:25,717 to be a part of this struggle. 742 00:56:29,804 --> 00:56:31,389 On that particular occasion, 743 00:56:31,598 --> 00:56:33,725 it was James Brown that made the difference. 744 00:56:34,309 --> 00:56:37,312 He found a way to fit in and contribute, 745 00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:38,772 but also to learn a lot 746 00:56:38,980 --> 00:56:42,359 about the people who were trying to change America. 747 00:56:42,567 --> 00:56:45,987 The James Brown you witnessed, the rest of this show. 748 00:56:46,196 --> 00:56:48,156 This is Black Power, baby. 749 00:56:57,916 --> 00:56:59,501 "In A Cold Sweat", cut one. 750 00:57:29,823 --> 00:57:30,949 He said... 751 00:57:45,088 --> 00:57:46,423 "In a Cold Sweat", cut two. 752 00:58:58,036 --> 00:59:01,164 By 1967, when "Cold Sweat" comes out, 753 00:59:01,372 --> 00:59:05,126 now he was officially away from the rest of the pack. 754 00:59:07,170 --> 00:59:08,796 "Cold Sweat" is a vamp. 755 00:59:11,466 --> 00:59:13,468 But you have all these different parts. 756 00:59:13,676 --> 00:59:17,138 It was this juxtaposition of something being tight 757 00:59:17,347 --> 00:59:19,140 but very loose at the same time. 758 00:59:19,349 --> 00:59:21,142 And that's what jazz really is all about. 759 00:59:27,857 --> 00:59:32,153 Maceo Parker is probably the most recognizable sound 760 00:59:32,362 --> 00:59:34,280 of the James Brown Band. 761 00:59:44,123 --> 00:59:46,084 When he got to the point where he start calling my name, 762 00:59:46,292 --> 00:59:48,628 telling me to come out and play, it was like, "Wow." 763 00:59:50,463 --> 00:59:54,050 When I recognized I could hear the funky side of stuff, 764 00:59:54,259 --> 00:59:55,760 I said, well, I got to use that 765 00:59:55,969 --> 00:59:57,970 because there is nobody that can hear it like I do. 766 01:00:01,224 --> 01:00:02,976 And he appreciated that. 767 01:00:22,370 --> 01:00:24,289 Now give the drummer some. 768 01:00:25,790 --> 01:00:27,166 Give the drummer some. 769 01:00:27,750 --> 01:00:30,169 Give him some! Drummer, you got it! 770 01:00:30,378 --> 01:00:31,629 Now, Clyde Stubblefield, 771 01:00:31,838 --> 01:00:34,591 he was almost like part man, part machine. 772 01:00:42,682 --> 01:00:44,767 Clyde had all these subtleties, 773 01:00:44,976 --> 01:00:47,270 this kind of bouncy left hand. 774 01:00:55,612 --> 01:00:57,697 Music, and especially with soul and funk music, 775 01:00:57,905 --> 01:01:01,075 it's based on a very simple emphasis of the one. 776 01:01:07,415 --> 01:01:08,499 Now, in gospel music, 777 01:01:08,708 --> 01:01:10,589 if you played direct rhythm with the tambourine, 778 01:01:11,628 --> 01:01:13,838 adding grace notes is those small notes. 779 01:01:18,635 --> 01:01:19,875 And that's the sound of church. 780 01:01:22,055 --> 01:01:25,516 Clyde Stubblefield had perfect grace notes on his snare. 781 01:01:29,437 --> 01:01:31,147 I never took lessons. 782 01:01:32,190 --> 01:01:35,234 Music, to me, looked like Chinese writing. 783 01:01:35,485 --> 01:01:38,571 So, I don't know. I play from my heart and soul. 784 01:01:50,833 --> 01:01:52,293 That concept of the one, 785 01:01:52,502 --> 01:01:55,838 it changed the emphasis from where it had been in jazz. 786 01:01:56,047 --> 01:01:58,091 In jazz, it had been on the two and four. 787 01:02:00,218 --> 01:02:02,095 That's two, four. 788 01:02:04,263 --> 01:02:05,463 You move into the funk period, 789 01:02:05,473 --> 01:02:07,433 they change the emphasis to the one and the three, 790 01:02:07,475 --> 01:02:09,236 and put it down on the bottom with the drums, 791 01:02:09,310 --> 01:02:10,853 to pick you up, drop you back down. 792 01:02:54,564 --> 01:02:56,232 Give the band a big round of applause! 793 01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:05,241 When I joined the band, he had "Cold Sweat" as a hit. 794 01:03:05,450 --> 01:03:08,494 I didn't like it, you know. I said it's incorrect, you know. 795 01:03:08,703 --> 01:03:11,664 It's bad, bad musically. 796 01:03:11,873 --> 01:03:16,586 It had a bridge that didn't go with the head. 797 01:03:16,961 --> 01:03:20,548 But I decided to take the job to get out of the South, 798 01:03:20,757 --> 01:03:22,175 and go to New York 799 01:03:22,383 --> 01:03:25,386 and be discovered as a great jazz trombone player. 800 01:03:25,595 --> 01:03:28,765 And even though I wasn't crazy about these songs, 801 01:03:29,015 --> 01:03:30,255 I knew that they were different 802 01:03:30,433 --> 01:03:33,478 from the ordinary rhythm and blues that was happening. 803 01:03:33,686 --> 01:03:36,105 And the band performed them real good. 804 01:03:43,488 --> 01:03:47,408 The thing about performing live is there's this energy going on 805 01:03:47,617 --> 01:03:50,787 between the musicians and the audience. 806 01:03:50,995 --> 01:03:52,830 You don't get that in a recording studio. 807 01:03:53,039 --> 01:03:55,708 That doesn't mean you can't make great music in a studio. 808 01:03:55,917 --> 01:03:58,294 You just have to have a different discipline. 809 01:03:58,503 --> 01:04:01,005 I think Mr. Brown's studio recordings 810 01:04:01,214 --> 01:04:04,425 are somehow just live shows with no audience there. 811 01:04:17,188 --> 01:04:21,984 James always had to work himself into what you were recording. 812 01:04:22,193 --> 01:04:24,111 You used to hate to do that. 813 01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:27,990 You'd go from this time of day till next day almost. 814 01:04:29,617 --> 01:04:31,202 He would come in and say, "Wait a minute, Jab. 815 01:04:31,410 --> 01:04:32,954 Let me show you how I want it to go." 816 01:04:34,497 --> 01:04:35,748 So I'm, okay. 817 01:04:35,957 --> 01:04:38,459 And he would get up, you know, and he'd sit there 818 01:04:38,668 --> 01:04:40,711 and whatever it was he was doing. 819 01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:43,464 And he said, "You got it?" And I would say, yeah. 820 01:04:43,673 --> 01:04:46,717 So I would go back and play what I already was playing. 821 01:04:46,926 --> 01:04:48,553 "That's it, you got it." 822 01:04:49,595 --> 01:04:52,181 And you just laugh to yourself and keep going. 823 01:04:54,267 --> 01:04:55,893 James is not trained at all. 824 01:04:56,102 --> 01:04:57,728 Which makes it difficult 825 01:04:57,937 --> 01:05:00,273 to understand what he's talking about. 826 01:05:06,737 --> 01:05:09,824 He knows that he's working with musicians 827 01:05:10,032 --> 01:05:12,577 who are the best at what they do. 828 01:05:12,785 --> 01:05:14,036 He doesn't care. 829 01:05:14,787 --> 01:05:17,164 He's like, "Look, I know you can read music." 830 01:05:17,915 --> 01:05:19,250 "I can't do any of that." 831 01:05:19,458 --> 01:05:21,961 "But you still got to follow me because I'm the man." 832 01:05:28,759 --> 01:05:30,887 Part Two of "Get it Together", 833 01:05:31,095 --> 01:05:34,765 they're having an open rehearsal right in the middle of the song. 834 01:05:41,981 --> 01:05:43,900 I'm thinking, he left this on the record? 835 01:05:44,108 --> 01:05:45,401 This is brilliant. 836 01:05:45,651 --> 01:05:47,528 "Engineer, I got to go. Fade it out." 837 01:05:49,155 --> 01:05:50,781 You don't say that on the record. 838 01:05:51,824 --> 01:05:53,409 I was like, man, this is raw. 839 01:06:03,252 --> 01:06:05,588 When he get through in the recording studio, 840 01:06:05,796 --> 01:06:07,757 they would print up his records right there, 841 01:06:07,965 --> 01:06:09,467 next door, in King Studio. 842 01:06:09,884 --> 01:06:11,969 So everything was coming out in a day. 843 01:06:12,178 --> 01:06:15,139 Didn't take no week or nothing, just right there. 844 01:06:15,348 --> 01:06:19,685 He owned King Studio, not money-wise, but talent-wise. 845 01:06:19,894 --> 01:06:23,272 There was no other artist who had that kind of control 846 01:06:23,481 --> 01:06:25,691 or those kinds of resources. 847 01:06:26,025 --> 01:06:29,695 At that time, his manager, Ben Bart passed away in 1968. 848 01:06:30,321 --> 01:06:33,157 From that point on, James Brown was essentially self-managed. 849 01:06:33,741 --> 01:06:37,662 All he talked about was, how much money he could make 850 01:06:37,870 --> 01:06:38,996 and how big he was. 851 01:06:39,330 --> 01:06:40,915 Sometimes we'd start a conversation 852 01:06:41,123 --> 01:06:42,708 about football or baseball, 853 01:06:42,917 --> 01:06:46,671 but he'd always get right back to what song we were going to do 854 01:06:46,879 --> 01:06:49,298 and who messed up and stuff like that. 855 01:06:49,507 --> 01:06:50,883 He never partied with the band. 856 01:06:51,092 --> 01:06:53,052 It was not a business with us. 857 01:06:53,260 --> 01:06:54,887 He was mainly with his girlfriends, 858 01:06:55,096 --> 01:06:59,266 and once in a blue moon he might ride the bus. 859 01:06:59,850 --> 01:07:02,061 He didn't have any friends, no close friends. 860 01:07:02,269 --> 01:07:04,063 He had to force people to be around him. 861 01:07:05,147 --> 01:07:06,565 I think he was lonely. 862 01:07:07,858 --> 01:07:09,110 He grew up with a sense 863 01:07:09,318 --> 01:07:11,529 that you really can't trust anybody. 864 01:07:11,737 --> 01:07:15,074 This is a guy who basically was taught at a very early age 865 01:07:15,282 --> 01:07:16,993 you can't trust your mother. 866 01:07:17,201 --> 01:07:19,495 Not to say you didn't love her, but you can't trust her. 867 01:07:20,913 --> 01:07:22,123 Because she's gone. 868 01:07:23,374 --> 01:07:26,002 He was absolutely haunted by that. 869 01:07:27,003 --> 01:07:29,755 I remember one night we were riding around and I told him, 870 01:07:29,964 --> 01:07:33,134 I come out of a broken home, my father left. 871 01:07:33,342 --> 01:07:35,469 He looked at me and said, "Your father left?" 872 01:07:35,678 --> 01:07:37,805 "My mother and father left me." 873 01:07:38,014 --> 01:07:41,308 "My father gave me to my aunt. I was raised in a whore house." 874 01:07:41,851 --> 01:07:44,353 He said, "I'd watch the church women come" 875 01:07:44,562 --> 01:07:46,480 "and turn tricks all day and leave at 4:30" 876 01:07:46,689 --> 01:07:48,569 "so they could be home to cook for their husbands" 877 01:07:48,607 --> 01:07:50,568 "and they didn't know that they were prostitutes." 878 01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:54,780 To grow up like that, it's hard for you to trust anybody. 879 01:07:54,989 --> 01:07:57,241 I think it also was why he was a loner. 880 01:07:57,450 --> 01:08:01,495 And once he came of age, he could never shake that. 881 01:08:04,623 --> 01:08:06,667 We were in Sacramento and we performed, 882 01:08:06,876 --> 01:08:09,378 and he left without making sure 883 01:08:09,670 --> 01:08:13,132 that the bus could get us back to the East Coast. 884 01:08:13,340 --> 01:08:14,925 We basically quit. 885 01:08:15,134 --> 01:08:17,094 Eventually everybody came back to him 886 01:08:17,344 --> 01:08:19,055 but he was angry about it. 887 01:08:19,263 --> 01:08:22,475 He would remind them, you know, "You left me, you left me. 888 01:08:22,683 --> 01:08:26,437 And I don't trust you because you left me." 889 01:08:27,313 --> 01:08:30,066 And I think that was one of his reasons too 890 01:08:30,274 --> 01:08:34,195 of not really getting close to anyone in the band. 891 01:08:34,528 --> 01:08:37,531 Didn't matter where I was. I was always strapped. 892 01:08:38,115 --> 01:08:40,076 Because sometimes James had good days, 893 01:08:40,284 --> 01:08:41,577 sometimes he had bad days. 894 01:08:42,203 --> 01:08:43,913 I didn't want to be a part of the bad days. 895 01:08:45,039 --> 01:08:48,834 We're in Minneapolis, Minnesota, I can't forget that. 896 01:08:49,043 --> 01:08:50,643 Gertrude Saunders, the wardrobe mistress, 897 01:08:50,795 --> 01:08:53,130 comes down, said, "Hey, Melvin, Maceo. 898 01:08:53,631 --> 01:08:55,758 He wants you guys up to the dressing room right now." 899 01:08:56,425 --> 01:09:00,054 As we walked in the door, Tony Walker, the henchman, 900 01:09:00,262 --> 01:09:03,349 is strapping on his .45. 901 01:09:04,391 --> 01:09:06,894 James is doing his hair and looking in the mirror. 902 01:09:07,394 --> 01:09:13,984 He says, "Maceo, they tell me you picking at me on the bus." 903 01:09:14,819 --> 01:09:15,820 He put the comb down, 904 01:09:16,028 --> 01:09:17,988 and he stood up and turned around, 905 01:09:18,197 --> 01:09:19,907 started to walk toward us. 906 01:09:20,116 --> 01:09:24,620 He said, "When we come for you, you better be ready." 907 01:09:24,829 --> 01:09:27,206 I could see with that left hand, 908 01:09:27,414 --> 01:09:30,334 he was getting ready to punch Maceo in the mouth 909 01:09:30,543 --> 01:09:31,863 so that he couldn't play his horn. 910 01:09:33,170 --> 01:09:35,172 I pushed Maceo to the side, 911 01:09:35,381 --> 01:09:39,051 went in my pocket at the same time, pulled it out. 912 01:09:39,260 --> 01:09:40,970 When you have that automatic, 913 01:09:41,178 --> 01:09:43,347 you always keep one in the chamber. 914 01:09:44,140 --> 01:09:45,141 Pump it. 915 01:09:46,267 --> 01:09:49,645 Let him know that it's loaded. 916 01:09:49,854 --> 01:09:52,982 When I hit it, the .32 shell went up in the air, 917 01:09:53,190 --> 01:09:55,484 came down, seems as if it was slow motion. 918 01:09:56,193 --> 01:09:58,863 And when it landed on the floor, it hit, boom, boom, boom. 919 01:09:59,071 --> 01:10:03,242 I stuck it right in his nose, and I said, "I'm ready now." 920 01:10:03,534 --> 01:10:05,655 "What do you want to do? What do you want to do, huh?" 921 01:10:05,786 --> 01:10:06,912 "What do you want to do?" 922 01:10:07,121 --> 01:10:08,581 He put his hands up and said, "No, no, no, no, no! 923 01:10:08,789 --> 01:10:11,458 I didn't mean that! Not like that! Not like that!" 924 01:10:11,667 --> 01:10:15,504 I said, "you don't come for me. You don't come for my brother." 925 01:10:16,505 --> 01:10:17,715 And that was that. 926 01:10:18,424 --> 01:10:20,259 You had to approach him with strength. 927 01:10:20,467 --> 01:10:21,719 You had to always be a man. 928 01:10:21,927 --> 01:10:23,721 And I really loved the guy. 929 01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:27,474 But I could never say to him, "Hey, man, I love you, man." 930 01:10:27,683 --> 01:10:30,102 Because he had a way of taking advantage of that, 931 01:10:30,311 --> 01:10:31,937 or taking that for weakness. 932 01:10:33,606 --> 01:10:36,066 With men, he isn't that super tough guy. 933 01:10:36,275 --> 01:10:38,194 He wants to be. He is not. 934 01:10:38,402 --> 01:10:40,196 He is with women. 935 01:10:40,613 --> 01:10:43,157 Brown would be a super tough guy with women. 936 01:10:43,365 --> 01:10:47,036 And the women do what he want, when he want, so... 937 01:10:47,244 --> 01:10:51,790 I do remember the lady that he was dating 938 01:10:51,999 --> 01:10:53,751 when I first joined him. 939 01:10:53,959 --> 01:10:56,295 She only focused on him. 940 01:10:56,503 --> 01:11:00,299 She would never turn and look at anyone. 941 01:11:00,507 --> 01:11:05,930 Not unless he said, "Baby, look. You know, there's the Jewels." 942 01:11:06,138 --> 01:11:08,349 And then she'll turn around, "Hello." 943 01:11:08,557 --> 01:11:12,645 He was very jealous. He was a very jealous man. 944 01:11:12,853 --> 01:11:17,483 But I don't think that any woman deserves to be beaten. 945 01:11:18,150 --> 01:11:21,278 I know he was arrested for domestic violence, 946 01:11:21,487 --> 01:11:22,947 and he has told me he hit women. 947 01:11:23,155 --> 01:11:26,242 I remember he got into one fight that I was in the hotel. 948 01:11:26,450 --> 01:11:27,993 I walked him out of the room. 949 01:11:28,202 --> 01:11:30,162 When I came in, they obviously been fighting. 950 01:11:30,371 --> 01:11:32,206 And we went down and sat by the pool, 951 01:11:32,414 --> 01:11:34,208 and he looked at me, he said, "Reverend." 952 01:11:34,541 --> 01:11:36,961 He said, "Don't ever hit a woman. Don't be like me." 953 01:11:37,169 --> 01:11:39,421 He said, "I come from generations of that." 954 01:11:39,630 --> 01:11:40,631 "It's wrong." 955 01:12:00,901 --> 01:12:04,780 Pillage, looting, murder and arson 956 01:12:05,364 --> 01:12:07,283 have nothing to do with civil rights. 957 01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:10,995 They are criminal conduct 958 01:12:11,203 --> 01:12:14,039 and the federal government has no alternative 959 01:12:14,248 --> 01:12:15,791 but to respond. 960 01:12:23,465 --> 01:12:28,012 I think we've got to see a riot is a language of the unheard, 961 01:12:28,220 --> 01:12:31,140 and what is it that America has failed to hear? 962 01:12:31,348 --> 01:12:32,349 It has failed to hear 963 01:12:32,558 --> 01:12:38,397 that the economic plight of the Negro poor has worsened. 964 01:12:43,193 --> 01:12:46,947 We've got to turn our backs on this country. 965 01:12:47,156 --> 01:12:50,284 This country has never cared about black people. 966 01:12:53,370 --> 01:12:56,373 Soul is when a man has to struggle all his life 967 01:12:56,582 --> 01:12:57,958 to be equal to another man. 968 01:12:58,167 --> 01:13:01,712 Soul is when a man pays taxes and still he comes up second. 969 01:13:02,421 --> 01:13:05,507 Soul is when a man is judged not by what they do, 970 01:13:05,716 --> 01:13:07,217 but what color they are. 971 01:13:11,847 --> 01:13:15,559 The rebellions that we see are merely dress rehearsals 972 01:13:15,768 --> 01:13:17,088 for the revolution that's to come. 973 01:13:19,355 --> 01:13:21,565 We've got some difficult days ahead, 974 01:13:22,191 --> 01:13:24,693 but I want you to know tonight 975 01:13:24,943 --> 01:13:28,947 that we, as a people, will get to the Promised Land. 976 01:13:51,178 --> 01:13:52,554 At 7:10 this evening, 977 01:13:52,763 --> 01:13:55,891 Martin Luther King was shot in Tennessee. 978 01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:59,686 Martin Luther King, 20 minutes ago, died. 979 01:14:13,992 --> 01:14:15,702 Probably the most important show 980 01:14:15,869 --> 01:14:19,498 of James Brown's career is April 1968. 981 01:14:19,706 --> 01:14:22,459 Martin Luther King had just been assassinated, 982 01:14:23,460 --> 01:14:26,797 and all of America is erupting in violence. 983 01:14:33,887 --> 01:14:35,097 We were on the way to Boston 984 01:14:35,305 --> 01:14:36,849 and we didn't know if the show was going to happen. 985 01:14:37,057 --> 01:14:40,727 We knew that Dr. King was shot. He was dead. 986 01:14:40,936 --> 01:14:43,564 And we didn't know what that meant for us. 987 01:14:43,772 --> 01:14:47,192 The band was kind of fearful. 988 01:14:47,401 --> 01:14:51,196 The Mayor didn't want James to come there and do that show. 989 01:14:51,447 --> 01:14:54,867 But that city councilman told him upfront. 990 01:14:55,242 --> 01:14:57,327 If you don't let him do that show, 991 01:14:57,536 --> 01:15:00,831 they are going to burn this city down, and he was serious. 992 01:15:01,039 --> 01:15:04,543 They were poised to do just that. 993 01:15:12,843 --> 01:15:14,928 I think there's reason for apprehension 994 01:15:15,137 --> 01:15:16,137 but not a lot. 995 01:15:16,305 --> 01:15:17,306 Boston has great hope 996 01:15:17,514 --> 01:15:20,142 and we are a mature, patient community 997 01:15:20,350 --> 01:15:23,687 and I hope we're going to weather this. 998 01:15:23,896 --> 01:15:28,108 Tonight you've turned the Brown concert into a memorial service. 999 01:15:28,317 --> 01:15:29,943 We're going to broadcast that live 1000 01:15:30,152 --> 01:15:32,196 and I assume you feel that 1001 01:15:32,404 --> 01:15:36,074 that will have an effect in the community. 1002 01:15:36,283 --> 01:15:39,411 Well, I'm hoping it's one valve that will let off some steam 1003 01:15:39,620 --> 01:15:41,705 and I think it's an appropriate place to have it 1004 01:15:41,914 --> 01:15:45,042 because it's a peaceful gathering 1005 01:15:45,250 --> 01:15:47,628 and that's synonymous with everything that King did. 1006 01:16:10,692 --> 01:16:12,402 Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen. 1007 01:16:14,029 --> 01:16:16,365 I want to say thanks for coming out to see the show 1008 01:16:17,241 --> 01:16:20,160 and you've made it possible for me 1009 01:16:20,369 --> 01:16:23,789 to be a first class man in all respects. 1010 01:16:24,498 --> 01:16:26,083 Thank you. 1011 01:16:27,543 --> 01:16:29,503 In Augusta, Georgia, I used to shine shoes 1012 01:16:29,711 --> 01:16:33,173 on the steps of a... Thank you. 1013 01:16:33,382 --> 01:16:35,801 In front of a radio station called "WRDW." 1014 01:16:36,718 --> 01:16:38,519 I used to shine shoes in front of that station 1015 01:16:38,554 --> 01:16:39,972 and I think we started off... 1016 01:16:40,180 --> 01:16:41,890 I used to get three cents, then up to five cents, 1017 01:16:42,099 --> 01:16:43,976 then finally, I got to six cents. 1018 01:16:46,019 --> 01:16:48,522 But now, I own that station. 1019 01:16:51,858 --> 01:16:53,068 You know what that is? 1020 01:16:54,611 --> 01:16:55,946 That's black power. 1021 01:17:11,795 --> 01:17:14,089 When we did the show, we were hurt 1022 01:17:14,298 --> 01:17:15,658 but you didn't think about anything 1023 01:17:15,757 --> 01:17:17,801 but doing that show at the time. 1024 01:18:01,428 --> 01:18:02,679 Wait a minute. 1025 01:18:03,722 --> 01:18:05,932 Move off. I'll be all right, I'll be fine. 1026 01:18:06,975 --> 01:18:08,894 I'm all right, I'm all right. 1027 01:18:10,896 --> 01:18:12,898 I'm all right, I'm all right. 1028 01:18:15,651 --> 01:18:17,444 You want to dance? Dance. 1029 01:18:17,653 --> 01:18:22,282 People started rushing the stage and we weren't playing no more 1030 01:18:22,491 --> 01:18:23,909 but they came on, getting ready 1031 01:18:24,117 --> 01:18:25,994 and trying to come all up on the stage 1032 01:18:26,203 --> 01:18:29,039 and the police was pushing them, 1033 01:18:29,247 --> 01:18:31,708 the guards and everything was pushing them off the stage 1034 01:18:31,917 --> 01:18:34,336 and Brown says, "Hold it, hold it, hold it." 1035 01:18:34,544 --> 01:18:35,587 Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, 1036 01:18:35,796 --> 01:18:36,797 they all right. It's all right. 1037 01:18:37,005 --> 01:18:38,715 That's all right, that's all right. 1038 01:18:46,098 --> 01:18:47,224 Now look, wait a minute, wait a minute. 1039 01:18:47,432 --> 01:18:48,767 Let me finish the show, now wait a minute, 1040 01:18:48,975 --> 01:18:50,185 let me finish the show for everybody else. 1041 01:18:50,394 --> 01:18:52,114 I didn't know what to say about that myself. 1042 01:18:52,312 --> 01:18:53,980 I'm sitting there on the drums still just waiting, you know, 1043 01:18:54,189 --> 01:18:55,649 like, wow, what's going on? 1044 01:18:55,857 --> 01:18:58,819 This is no way. We are black, we are black! 1045 01:18:59,986 --> 01:19:01,071 Now wait a minute, 1046 01:19:01,279 --> 01:19:02,364 can't you all brother get down from there 1047 01:19:02,572 --> 01:19:03,865 and let's do this show together. 1048 01:19:04,074 --> 01:19:05,675 We are black, don't make us all look bad, 1049 01:19:05,742 --> 01:19:07,035 let me finish doing the show. 1050 01:19:07,244 --> 01:19:09,538 Get off the stage, step down there. 1051 01:19:10,497 --> 01:19:12,624 Let's represent our own selves. Now step down. 1052 01:19:12,833 --> 01:19:14,292 No, no, that's not right. 1053 01:19:15,001 --> 01:19:16,670 You're not being fair to yourselves or me, either. 1054 01:19:16,878 --> 01:19:19,506 You're not being fair to yourself or me or your race. 1055 01:19:20,966 --> 01:19:22,092 Now I asked the police to step back 1056 01:19:22,300 --> 01:19:25,220 because I think I can get some respect from my own people. 1057 01:19:25,846 --> 01:19:26,972 It don't make sense. 1058 01:19:27,180 --> 01:19:29,015 Now are we together or we ain't? 1059 01:19:32,185 --> 01:19:33,353 Hit the thing, man. 1060 01:19:37,357 --> 01:19:38,608 I was like, oh, my God. 1061 01:19:38,900 --> 01:19:41,278 You did not just stop the show, 1062 01:19:42,195 --> 01:19:43,822 told people off, then went like 1063 01:19:44,030 --> 01:19:46,575 "All right, let's get it together. Hit it." 1064 01:19:50,370 --> 01:19:52,091 If I were in the band, I would've been like, 1065 01:19:52,164 --> 01:19:54,416 Uhh, that's my cue, goodbye. See you. 1066 01:19:55,375 --> 01:19:56,501 There's like a riot about to break out. 1067 01:19:56,710 --> 01:19:57,878 I'm out, James. 1068 01:19:59,629 --> 01:20:03,675 Oh, God, he handled that crowd like he was the King 1069 01:20:03,884 --> 01:20:05,302 and they respected him. 1070 01:20:08,555 --> 01:20:09,681 He cleared them up 1071 01:20:09,890 --> 01:20:12,392 and there wasn't no more fighting or nothing. 1072 01:20:12,601 --> 01:20:14,281 It could have been a turnout of that place. 1073 01:20:15,395 --> 01:20:17,022 He was damn good. 1074 01:20:21,318 --> 01:20:22,778 Boston was one of the few cities 1075 01:20:22,986 --> 01:20:26,865 that avoided any sort of a fire retaliation 1076 01:20:27,073 --> 01:20:29,826 in the inner cities. Everyone stayed calm. 1077 01:20:30,035 --> 01:20:31,787 Trouble was very minimal. 1078 01:20:39,586 --> 01:20:40,946 We'd like to announce that the city 1079 01:20:41,046 --> 01:20:43,548 is very quiet and calm, 1080 01:20:43,757 --> 01:20:44,966 and the report also states 1081 01:20:45,175 --> 01:20:48,637 that everyone is home watching the TV program. 1082 01:20:48,845 --> 01:20:50,430 So I think the fact 1083 01:20:50,639 --> 01:20:53,391 that we do have the television cameras here, 1084 01:20:54,601 --> 01:20:56,812 I think it was a big success. 1085 01:20:58,939 --> 01:21:00,148 I wanted to see people get off the streets, 1086 01:21:00,357 --> 01:21:01,566 I wanted them to calm down, 1087 01:21:01,775 --> 01:21:03,652 I didn't want to see no more bloodshed 1088 01:21:03,860 --> 01:21:04,986 and lives lost. 1089 01:21:05,987 --> 01:21:08,740 But yet, still, I shared in the same convictions 1090 01:21:08,949 --> 01:21:10,069 of the people on the streets 1091 01:21:10,116 --> 01:21:12,828 because I understood what they were fighting for. 1092 01:21:15,789 --> 01:21:18,208 Around the country, I've been doing a lot of things, 1093 01:21:18,416 --> 01:21:20,585 I guess I'm real concerned about people. 1094 01:21:20,794 --> 01:21:22,879 Overlooking the city, overlooking Harlem, 1095 01:21:23,088 --> 01:21:25,549 I've seen all the torn buildings, 1096 01:21:25,757 --> 01:21:28,134 buildings that still standing that should be removed 1097 01:21:28,343 --> 01:21:30,095 and you know who lives there? 1098 01:21:31,221 --> 01:21:32,222 The black people. 1099 01:21:33,390 --> 01:21:34,933 You know, in Washington, 1100 01:21:35,267 --> 01:21:37,936 houses that we were walking in front of, condemned, 1101 01:21:38,144 --> 01:21:40,689 and no one can be living in these houses. 1102 01:21:40,897 --> 01:21:42,566 I went to Watts, 1103 01:21:42,774 --> 01:21:44,415 I found a lot of people staying in an area 1104 01:21:44,442 --> 01:21:46,695 that didn't have nothing to offer. 1105 01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:48,864 I went from black America 1106 01:21:49,072 --> 01:21:50,713 and I started talking to the white America 1107 01:21:50,866 --> 01:21:51,866 and I was saying, 1108 01:21:52,033 --> 01:21:53,634 these are the things that has to be done, 1109 01:21:53,743 --> 01:21:56,371 we need education worse than any other race. 1110 01:21:56,830 --> 01:21:59,666 We got to go to the people that are not even surviving. 1111 01:21:59,875 --> 01:22:01,793 My fight is just starting. 1112 01:22:02,002 --> 01:22:07,382 My fight is against the past, the old colored man. 1113 01:22:07,591 --> 01:22:09,009 My fight now 1114 01:22:09,217 --> 01:22:13,513 is for the black America become American. 1115 01:22:29,821 --> 01:22:30,821 Here he comes. 1116 01:22:30,989 --> 01:22:33,366 James. Come here, James. 1117 01:22:34,951 --> 01:22:35,952 Come here. 1118 01:22:38,622 --> 01:22:40,248 He's my friend. 1119 01:22:44,461 --> 01:22:46,296 First, I would like to say good morning. 1120 01:22:47,797 --> 01:22:48,798 I want to say this: 1121 01:22:49,007 --> 01:22:50,342 We would like to know sometimes 1122 01:22:50,550 --> 01:22:52,151 what's going to be done for black people. 1123 01:22:52,344 --> 01:22:54,262 The black man wants ownership. 1124 01:22:55,388 --> 01:22:56,989 He wants to be able to own his own things 1125 01:22:57,057 --> 01:22:59,017 and make up his own mind. 1126 01:22:59,351 --> 01:23:01,770 Number one in the black community, 1127 01:23:01,978 --> 01:23:04,481 the lower income areas, we need housing, 1128 01:23:04,689 --> 01:23:06,358 so we don't have to stay in the dump, 1129 01:23:06,566 --> 01:23:08,193 like I've stayed in when I was a kid. 1130 01:23:08,401 --> 01:23:09,611 We need our own banks 1131 01:23:09,819 --> 01:23:12,656 so we can get some money to do things by ourselves. 1132 01:23:13,239 --> 01:23:14,324 We don't want nobody to do it for us, 1133 01:23:14,532 --> 01:23:15,742 we want to do it by ourselves. 1134 01:23:15,951 --> 01:23:18,745 Now the candidate that gives me those kind of things, 1135 01:23:18,954 --> 01:23:20,622 that's the man I endorse. 1136 01:23:21,414 --> 01:23:24,334 I don't endorse the party, I endorse the man. 1137 01:23:38,932 --> 01:23:41,601 - So good. - So good. 1138 01:23:53,905 --> 01:23:55,746 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Black Dignity. 1139 01:23:55,907 --> 01:24:00,453 This Sunday afternoon will be our most spectacular program. 1140 01:24:00,662 --> 01:24:03,999 This is not only Soul Brother Number One, 1141 01:24:04,207 --> 01:24:05,375 and rhythm and blues 1142 01:24:05,583 --> 01:24:07,085 but there is no man in our race 1143 01:24:07,293 --> 01:24:09,170 who has gone as far as he's gone. 1144 01:24:09,379 --> 01:24:12,882 Welcome James Brown to Black Dignity. 1145 01:24:13,091 --> 01:24:14,426 Thank you, brother Don. 1146 01:24:16,970 --> 01:24:18,513 All right, we are ready to go for some calls, 1147 01:24:18,722 --> 01:24:20,724 and, ask whatever you want. 1148 01:24:20,932 --> 01:24:22,559 Hello, this is Don Warden, you are on Black Dignity. 1149 01:24:22,767 --> 01:24:24,978 - What's happening, James? - How you feel, brother? 1150 01:24:25,186 --> 01:24:27,605 All right. Well, I just want to ask you one question. 1151 01:24:27,814 --> 01:24:29,858 I would like to know why you got your process cut? 1152 01:24:30,692 --> 01:24:32,235 Well, this is a black move 1153 01:24:32,444 --> 01:24:34,779 and regardless of what you are thinking, 1154 01:24:34,988 --> 01:24:36,197 we all got to think one way 1155 01:24:36,406 --> 01:24:38,087 and when we look alike, we can think alike. 1156 01:24:38,241 --> 01:24:39,576 You know, the way I see it, 1157 01:24:39,784 --> 01:24:41,202 it's really what's in the mind that counts. 1158 01:24:41,411 --> 01:24:42,412 Well, the mind counts, 1159 01:24:42,620 --> 01:24:46,583 but see, we all don't have a good image 1160 01:24:46,791 --> 01:24:48,168 and the image is like, black. 1161 01:24:48,376 --> 01:24:49,696 See, we've never thought together. 1162 01:24:49,836 --> 01:24:51,463 You know, in Africa, a man can do what he want to do 1163 01:24:51,671 --> 01:24:52,922 because he know who he is. 1164 01:24:53,131 --> 01:24:54,257 Over here, you don't know. 1165 01:24:54,466 --> 01:24:56,760 So first, we got to get our image, our identity. 1166 01:25:02,557 --> 01:25:05,268 Everybody thought when James Brown cut his hair 1167 01:25:05,477 --> 01:25:06,686 and went natural, that was it, 1168 01:25:06,895 --> 01:25:08,897 that was the height of the black power era. 1169 01:25:14,402 --> 01:25:15,763 James Brown was known for his hair, 1170 01:25:15,820 --> 01:25:20,492 he was absolutely fascinated with the "Conk" as we called it. 1171 01:25:20,700 --> 01:25:22,327 And for him to give it up 1172 01:25:22,535 --> 01:25:24,537 was to show he ultimately did feel 1173 01:25:24,746 --> 01:25:27,540 that blacks needed to learn their natural pride. 1174 01:25:28,333 --> 01:25:30,585 Hello, this is Don Warden, you're on Black Dignity. 1175 01:25:30,794 --> 01:25:32,212 I wanted to tell you that I'm glad you got rid 1176 01:25:32,420 --> 01:25:33,741 of that stuff you had in your hair 1177 01:25:33,797 --> 01:25:36,674 and I wish everybody would wear a natural 1178 01:25:36,883 --> 01:25:38,968 and be what they are supposed to be. 1179 01:25:39,177 --> 01:25:41,805 How are you going to get respect? I'm black and proud. 1180 01:26:06,788 --> 01:26:08,540 He told me, "I was in Los Angeles" 1181 01:26:08,748 --> 01:26:10,188 "and there was all this in-fighting," 1182 01:26:10,375 --> 01:26:11,626 "this crime and all," 1183 01:26:11,835 --> 01:26:13,044 and he said that "I looked" 1184 01:26:13,253 --> 01:26:15,713 "and I said to myself, we've lost our pride." 1185 01:26:15,922 --> 01:26:18,216 He said, "I went to my room" 1186 01:26:18,424 --> 01:26:20,927 "and I sat down and started writing on a napkin." 1187 01:26:22,637 --> 01:26:25,390 On the spur of the moment, it became a song 1188 01:26:25,598 --> 01:26:28,518 that literally changed the social dynamics 1189 01:26:28,726 --> 01:26:29,894 of the United States. 1190 01:26:53,001 --> 01:26:56,254 Mr. Brown is Number One Soul Brother United States. 1191 01:26:56,462 --> 01:26:58,339 He's black and he's proud. 1192 01:26:58,548 --> 01:27:01,176 - He brings out the good in me. - He's like the preacher. 1193 01:27:05,513 --> 01:27:07,265 First thing, a man has to be a man 1194 01:27:07,473 --> 01:27:09,142 and when we say, "Negro," 1195 01:27:09,434 --> 01:27:11,194 this is a term that's been used so many times 1196 01:27:11,352 --> 01:27:13,479 but I don't particularly care for that term. 1197 01:27:13,688 --> 01:27:15,773 I'd rather be a black man because that's identity. 1198 01:27:16,774 --> 01:27:19,194 A black man is a man who want to pay his own way, 1199 01:27:19,402 --> 01:27:20,737 who want to earn his own keep, 1200 01:27:20,945 --> 01:27:22,447 a man that stands up among men. 1201 01:27:22,864 --> 01:27:24,199 You see, when you stand up in the States 1202 01:27:24,407 --> 01:27:27,243 they say you're a militant but I say you're a man. 1203 01:27:32,415 --> 01:27:33,666 As an eight-year-old 1204 01:27:33,958 --> 01:27:36,038 "Say It Loud I'm Black And I'm Proud" was very clear. 1205 01:27:36,211 --> 01:27:39,422 I remember defining myself as these American terms 1206 01:27:39,631 --> 01:27:42,258 of Negro to colored to black. 1207 01:27:42,467 --> 01:27:44,886 Because of that one song, black was beautiful, 1208 01:27:45,094 --> 01:27:46,429 the beginning of being beautiful. 1209 01:27:48,139 --> 01:27:50,808 I was 13 and it was revolutionary, 1210 01:27:51,017 --> 01:27:54,604 because not only did some whites look down us, 1211 01:27:54,812 --> 01:27:56,213 there were many light-skinned blacks 1212 01:27:56,397 --> 01:27:58,608 that looked down on dark-skinned blacks. 1213 01:27:58,816 --> 01:28:00,235 And overnight, 1214 01:28:00,443 --> 01:28:02,904 dark-skinned girls became the thing you wanted. 1215 01:28:03,154 --> 01:28:06,532 Overnight, James Brown changed our whole teenaged life. 1216 01:28:16,668 --> 01:28:19,295 There was fear he had alienated his white audience 1217 01:28:19,504 --> 01:28:20,865 and white people began to be afraid 1218 01:28:21,005 --> 01:28:22,131 to come to the shows. 1219 01:28:22,340 --> 01:28:23,861 I don't think that was his plan at all. 1220 01:28:24,008 --> 01:28:25,260 Brown's whole sound 1221 01:28:25,468 --> 01:28:28,346 is an assertion of black beauty and black pride. 1222 01:28:31,641 --> 01:28:35,019 There is a black revolution taking place on many campuses. 1223 01:28:35,228 --> 01:28:37,355 Now, what is your feeling about this? 1224 01:28:37,855 --> 01:28:39,899 Well, that's very complicated. 1225 01:28:40,149 --> 01:28:41,859 The blacks on the campus in the first place 1226 01:28:42,068 --> 01:28:44,320 are complete separatists, the campuses I've visited. 1227 01:28:44,529 --> 01:28:46,281 They don't associate with the whites, 1228 01:28:46,489 --> 01:28:47,782 they don't eat with the whites, 1229 01:28:47,991 --> 01:28:50,285 they advocate their own dormitories. 1230 01:28:50,493 --> 01:28:53,788 They seem to me to be going back in time to separatism, 1231 01:28:53,997 --> 01:28:55,581 when there was a white society and a black society. 1232 01:28:55,790 --> 01:28:57,375 I got to disagree with you there now. 1233 01:28:57,583 --> 01:28:59,502 I think it's wrong for blacks to eat with blacks 1234 01:28:59,711 --> 01:29:00,911 and whites to eat with whites. 1235 01:29:01,087 --> 01:29:02,630 - Well, wait a minute... - We have been fighting forever 1236 01:29:02,839 --> 01:29:03,881 to get together. 1237 01:29:04,090 --> 01:29:07,385 Why can't I know about me, if you know about yourself? 1238 01:29:07,593 --> 01:29:09,012 I know more about you than you do about me. 1239 01:29:09,220 --> 01:29:10,260 You know nothing about me. 1240 01:29:10,388 --> 01:29:11,347 That probably true, Jimmy, but it's not- 1241 01:29:11,556 --> 01:29:13,766 But I have to know that. Do you call yourself a man, 1242 01:29:13,975 --> 01:29:16,269 knowing that I pay taxes same as you, 1243 01:29:16,477 --> 01:29:17,979 to stay right here and use my sweat and blood 1244 01:29:18,187 --> 01:29:19,227 to help build this country 1245 01:29:19,397 --> 01:29:21,278 and I got to be a second or third class citizen? 1246 01:29:21,482 --> 01:29:22,525 Do you call that a man? 1247 01:29:23,026 --> 01:29:25,403 I believe you ought to be as good as me and do... 1248 01:29:25,611 --> 01:29:28,072 Ought to be? I know I'm good as you! 1249 01:29:28,406 --> 01:29:29,907 What do you mean, ought to be? 1250 01:29:30,408 --> 01:29:32,660 - But the conditions... - What conditions? 1251 01:29:32,869 --> 01:29:34,329 You haven't had a fair crack at it. 1252 01:29:34,537 --> 01:29:36,539 A fair crack? How long does it take, man? 1253 01:29:36,748 --> 01:29:38,207 I'm 36 years old, when am I supposed 1254 01:29:38,416 --> 01:29:39,917 - to be a grown man? - Now. 1255 01:29:40,126 --> 01:29:42,170 Oh, I'm supposed to be a grown man at 21, man, 1256 01:29:42,378 --> 01:29:43,838 no, no, not 36. 1257 01:29:44,839 --> 01:29:48,051 Jimmy, I'm on your side. What are you so mad about? 1258 01:29:48,343 --> 01:29:51,012 I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed in you 1259 01:29:51,262 --> 01:29:52,930 being ignorant to what's going on, man, 1260 01:29:53,139 --> 01:29:54,640 you just don't know what's happening. 1261 01:29:54,849 --> 01:29:56,351 This is not really a joke. 1262 01:29:56,559 --> 01:29:58,999 You're laughing at something that's going to be a big problem. 1263 01:29:59,020 --> 01:30:00,780 Because you got kids out there that can't eat 1264 01:30:00,897 --> 01:30:01,856 and they are robbing and stealing 1265 01:30:02,065 --> 01:30:03,566 doing what they have to do to make it 1266 01:30:03,775 --> 01:30:04,859 and if you don't do something about it, 1267 01:30:05,068 --> 01:30:06,549 we're going to lose the country, not... 1268 01:30:06,569 --> 01:30:08,029 There is a new survey out today... 1269 01:30:08,237 --> 01:30:09,237 We don't want the survey, 1270 01:30:09,405 --> 01:30:11,199 the survey is out there on the street. 1271 01:30:13,242 --> 01:30:16,996 Wait a minute, Jimmy, you can't do that. 1272 01:30:18,790 --> 01:30:20,208 You've got to open your ears. 1273 01:30:20,416 --> 01:30:22,627 My ears has been open, have your eyes been open? 1274 01:30:25,254 --> 01:30:26,672 Nixon's the one. 1275 01:30:26,881 --> 01:30:29,759 His lead over Humphrey was so close but he won it 1276 01:30:29,967 --> 01:30:33,179 and, in winning that, he won the presidency. 1277 01:30:33,513 --> 01:30:35,223 According to present statistics, 1278 01:30:35,431 --> 01:30:38,810 only 10 percent of the black vote was cast for Nixon. 1279 01:30:39,018 --> 01:30:40,728 The president has proposed several plans 1280 01:30:40,937 --> 01:30:43,356 which he claims will assist the Afro American 1281 01:30:43,564 --> 01:30:44,941 to get a piece of the action. 1282 01:30:45,149 --> 01:30:47,944 The president calls it "Black Capitalism." 1283 01:30:50,154 --> 01:30:52,949 Richard Nixon saw there was this great desire 1284 01:30:53,157 --> 01:30:55,535 among professional middle class members 1285 01:30:55,743 --> 01:30:58,329 of the black community to make it in America. 1286 01:31:02,667 --> 01:31:06,254 James Brown was privately very politically conservative. 1287 01:31:07,922 --> 01:31:09,799 He had supported Humphrey in '68 1288 01:31:10,007 --> 01:31:13,261 but James Brown believed in bootstrap economics, 1289 01:31:13,469 --> 01:31:14,887 lift yourself up. 1290 01:31:15,304 --> 01:31:17,723 So the appeal of Richard Nixon, 1291 01:31:18,182 --> 01:31:22,645 which was a total, total atrocity to me 1292 01:31:22,854 --> 01:31:25,273 but to James Brown it was black capitalism. 1293 01:31:44,167 --> 01:31:47,420 We got a food franchise getting started called "Gold Platter." 1294 01:31:47,712 --> 01:31:49,881 It's basically set up to get the black man 1295 01:31:50,089 --> 01:31:52,884 into being able to run and own his own business. 1296 01:31:54,635 --> 01:31:55,678 It's geared to the ghetto 1297 01:31:55,887 --> 01:31:58,014 because I think every man should help 1298 01:31:58,222 --> 01:32:01,225 where he understands where it's needed most. 1299 01:32:05,188 --> 01:32:07,648 And we have the James Brown food stamps, 1300 01:32:07,857 --> 01:32:09,192 which is very important. 1301 01:32:09,400 --> 01:32:11,235 This is the idea of us getting together 1302 01:32:11,444 --> 01:32:14,280 an idea of getting money into the black community. 1303 01:32:14,864 --> 01:32:16,449 If we keep the turnover going, 1304 01:32:16,824 --> 01:32:21,829 then we shall overcome, only if we all come over. 1305 01:32:34,967 --> 01:32:37,929 If I could give you one specific James Brown song 1306 01:32:38,137 --> 01:32:43,392 where the "one" is underlined bold and italic... 1307 01:32:44,560 --> 01:32:47,647 ...I would say, "I Don't Want Nobody To Give Me Nothing." 1308 01:32:53,486 --> 01:32:56,405 The James Brown hard beat was the one. 1309 01:32:56,614 --> 01:33:00,034 It's the beat, but it's also that you're the one, 1310 01:33:00,243 --> 01:33:02,954 you're setting the tone, you're the trailblazer. 1311 01:33:05,998 --> 01:33:07,708 He told me, "You can't be big and small 1312 01:33:07,917 --> 01:33:10,002 at the same time, Reverend, you got to be the one." 1313 01:33:10,211 --> 01:33:11,337 "You got to be the one." 1314 01:33:29,355 --> 01:33:32,441 At that time, Nixon was preaching self-reliance 1315 01:33:33,025 --> 01:33:34,652 and not really espousing 1316 01:33:35,027 --> 01:33:37,863 systematic structural change in society. 1317 01:33:38,072 --> 01:33:41,033 And in a way that fed into Brown's own illusion 1318 01:33:41,242 --> 01:33:42,660 that he had done it himself 1319 01:33:42,868 --> 01:33:45,246 and that, if he could do it, other people could do it, 1320 01:33:45,454 --> 01:33:46,455 just by working hard. 1321 01:33:50,376 --> 01:33:51,669 But the fact of the matter is, 1322 01:33:51,877 --> 01:33:54,463 Brown was a supernaturally talented individual. 1323 01:33:54,672 --> 01:33:56,424 Not everyone else is that talented 1324 01:33:56,632 --> 01:33:59,010 or that ruthless, or that driven. 1325 01:34:22,366 --> 01:34:25,453 Well, you know, he said he was a businessman. 1326 01:34:26,078 --> 01:34:27,496 But he never took care of business. 1327 01:34:27,705 --> 01:34:30,791 He just hung on to his money, you know. 1328 01:34:31,626 --> 01:34:34,503 When you tried to own a radio station, they failed, 1329 01:34:34,712 --> 01:34:36,964 a restaurant, they failed, you know. 1330 01:34:37,173 --> 01:34:41,969 I mean, this is a man that would pack an auditorium, 1331 01:34:42,178 --> 01:34:44,805 take boxes of money out of that auditorium, 1332 01:34:45,014 --> 01:34:46,390 and not pay the band. 1333 01:34:46,599 --> 01:34:48,199 When you got ready to get paid, you know, 1334 01:34:48,351 --> 01:34:51,312 "Hey, look, we don't have all of the money." 1335 01:34:51,520 --> 01:34:52,605 "We're going to pay you this amount" 1336 01:34:52,813 --> 01:34:54,690 "and you get the rest the next couple of days." 1337 01:34:54,899 --> 01:34:57,234 And sometimes, it would happen and sometimes it wouldn't. 1338 01:34:57,443 --> 01:35:01,072 Actually, we didn't get nothing from anything, just a salary. 1339 01:35:01,280 --> 01:35:04,200 The most money I made was around $300 1340 01:35:05,034 --> 01:35:09,622 and I don't remember getting any checks for recording. 1341 01:35:09,830 --> 01:35:11,582 It was just my regular salary. 1342 01:35:11,791 --> 01:35:15,002 I had gotten to be sort of like a handyman, you know. 1343 01:35:15,211 --> 01:35:17,254 For whatever reasons. 1344 01:35:17,713 --> 01:35:20,091 You know, James would say, "Oh, you're not such a big deal, 1345 01:35:20,299 --> 01:35:22,176 Maceo could do that I bet you." 1346 01:35:22,551 --> 01:35:24,472 And I hear him, you know, from a distance saying, 1347 01:35:24,595 --> 01:35:26,847 "Oh, Lord, what is he getting me into now?" 1348 01:35:27,056 --> 01:35:30,184 He and I got together, I said, "Man, I'm working hard, 1349 01:35:30,393 --> 01:35:33,604 am I being, you know, funded for all this work?" 1350 01:35:34,188 --> 01:35:35,731 And the answer to that was, no. 1351 01:35:35,940 --> 01:35:38,150 Get your James Brown programs! 1352 01:35:38,359 --> 01:35:40,444 His attitude towards politics 1353 01:35:40,653 --> 01:35:43,155 was the same attitude that he took towards his music. 1354 01:35:47,952 --> 01:35:51,205 On stage, he was the front man that channeled the energy 1355 01:35:51,414 --> 01:35:53,457 coming from the band in a totally unique way. 1356 01:35:53,666 --> 01:35:56,794 But it is very easy to fall into the illusion 1357 01:35:57,002 --> 01:35:58,796 that it's all coming from you. 1358 01:36:02,675 --> 01:36:05,553 There's no way that the James Brown sound 1359 01:36:05,761 --> 01:36:07,482 would have come together without the Maceos, 1360 01:36:07,596 --> 01:36:10,641 the Freds, the Pee Wees, Clyde and on down the line. 1361 01:36:11,809 --> 01:36:13,519 If it wasn't for Pee Wee, 1362 01:36:13,728 --> 01:36:15,896 we wouldn't know what to do, you know. 1363 01:36:26,323 --> 01:36:30,035 When I came to work for him in November of '69, 1364 01:36:30,244 --> 01:36:31,244 the thing that I sensed, 1365 01:36:31,412 --> 01:36:33,748 once I got kind of "behind the scenes," 1366 01:36:34,039 --> 01:36:36,041 was the discontent in the band. 1367 01:36:36,500 --> 01:36:38,377 The band had just reached a point 1368 01:36:38,627 --> 01:36:40,588 where they were pumping each... "We don't need to take this." 1369 01:36:40,796 --> 01:36:43,007 And they came to James with an ultimatum 1370 01:36:43,215 --> 01:36:45,509 with a list of their gripes one by one, 1371 01:36:46,385 --> 01:36:49,430 and James is just not the kind of guy to be intimidated. 1372 01:36:49,638 --> 01:36:51,015 He's like a stone. 1373 01:36:51,223 --> 01:36:52,850 You know, he's like a stone. You know? 1374 01:36:53,058 --> 01:36:54,351 "I will not be moved." 1375 01:36:55,102 --> 01:36:57,521 What happened is he sent Bobby Byrd to Cincinnati, 1376 01:36:57,730 --> 01:37:00,065 to round up Bootsy Collins, his brother Catfish, 1377 01:37:00,274 --> 01:37:01,274 and their little group. 1378 01:37:01,442 --> 01:37:02,860 They had a five or six-piece band. 1379 01:37:03,068 --> 01:37:06,071 And he had Bobby bring them down to Georgia. 1380 01:37:06,280 --> 01:37:08,157 He came in a James Brown Learjet... 1381 01:37:09,533 --> 01:37:11,619 ...sent a limo to the club 1382 01:37:11,827 --> 01:37:14,830 over in this rat hole where we was playing at 1383 01:37:15,039 --> 01:37:17,124 and picked us up 1384 01:37:17,333 --> 01:37:20,002 and everybody was looking at us like, "Wow." 1385 01:37:20,211 --> 01:37:24,048 You know, and we was, like "Yeah, James Brown," you know. 1386 01:37:24,256 --> 01:37:28,135 But we didn't find out what he really wanted 1387 01:37:28,344 --> 01:37:30,137 until we actually got there. 1388 01:37:30,346 --> 01:37:32,973 He parades towards the stage with this new band. 1389 01:37:33,557 --> 01:37:35,267 So the old guys are just sitting there, 1390 01:37:35,476 --> 01:37:38,103 literally holding their instruments and uniforms, 1391 01:37:38,312 --> 01:37:40,981 watching Bootsy and these guys walk on stage. 1392 01:37:41,190 --> 01:37:45,861 That was the sad part because they were our heroes 1393 01:37:46,237 --> 01:37:48,197 and we could see, it's like, dag, 1394 01:37:48,405 --> 01:37:50,574 these cats are mad about something. 1395 01:37:50,783 --> 01:37:52,159 We didn't know what it was. 1396 01:37:52,368 --> 01:37:55,037 Everybody got their bags and instruments, 1397 01:37:55,246 --> 01:37:59,542 and who ever had cabs or rented cars, everybody left. 1398 01:37:59,959 --> 01:38:02,086 And I'm the only somebody that was left. 1399 01:38:02,294 --> 01:38:03,935 I guess he didn't want to get into details 1400 01:38:04,004 --> 01:38:06,757 because the people were at riot stage, 1401 01:38:06,966 --> 01:38:07,967 so he didn't have no time 1402 01:38:08,175 --> 01:38:10,386 for no explanations to us and this and that. 1403 01:38:10,594 --> 01:38:12,513 And, plus, we didn't need no explanation. 1404 01:38:12,721 --> 01:38:16,016 It was like, "What you want us to do, you know? We ready." 1405 01:38:47,089 --> 01:38:48,966 I see a few new faces in the band. 1406 01:38:49,174 --> 01:38:50,593 Yes, this is a New Breed band. 1407 01:38:50,801 --> 01:38:52,678 Kids like to see the young kids up there. 1408 01:38:52,887 --> 01:38:54,054 That's the idea. 1409 01:38:56,724 --> 01:38:58,726 These were definitely his peak years, 1410 01:38:58,934 --> 01:39:02,146 so to lose his band and have that kind of a transition 1411 01:39:02,688 --> 01:39:04,148 was pretty shocking 1412 01:39:04,356 --> 01:39:06,859 and those of us in the office were really worried about it. 1413 01:39:07,067 --> 01:39:08,527 And I'll never forget the first show 1414 01:39:08,736 --> 01:39:09,987 that I saw with the new band, 1415 01:39:10,195 --> 01:39:13,198 which was about a week or two into their tenure, 1416 01:39:13,407 --> 01:39:15,409 that just to me, sounded horrible. 1417 01:39:17,703 --> 01:39:20,831 I had to be something like around 17, 18. 1418 01:39:21,040 --> 01:39:22,400 I want to go out there and have fun 1419 01:39:22,499 --> 01:39:24,793 I want to get girls like my brother's getting girls. 1420 01:39:25,002 --> 01:39:27,838 James talking about, "Nah, son, nah." 1421 01:39:28,047 --> 01:39:31,008 "Nah, can't go out there and play tonight, nah. 1422 01:39:31,759 --> 01:39:34,094 Got to ride with me. Ride with me, son." 1423 01:39:34,303 --> 01:39:36,555 He wanted to know what was on my mind. 1424 01:39:36,764 --> 01:39:39,934 "Why are you laughing at my shoes?" You know, 1425 01:39:40,142 --> 01:39:41,477 "What's wrong with my cape?" 1426 01:39:42,186 --> 01:39:45,439 You know, I'm saying, I mean, "wouldn't you wear this?" 1427 01:39:46,357 --> 01:39:50,235 He wanted to know, what a young kid, 1428 01:39:51,070 --> 01:39:52,154 how he thought about it. 1429 01:39:52,363 --> 01:39:55,115 I remember flying on the jet with him. 1430 01:39:56,241 --> 01:39:57,284 He'd be telling jokes. 1431 01:39:57,493 --> 01:40:00,663 I mean, he was the worst joke teller, 1432 01:40:00,871 --> 01:40:01,997 I mean, God. 1433 01:40:02,206 --> 01:40:03,958 But he would be cracking up 1434 01:40:04,166 --> 01:40:07,878 and then he'd act like he'd go to sleep on you 1435 01:40:08,462 --> 01:40:11,507 and he would bow his head a little bit, 1436 01:40:11,715 --> 01:40:13,425 then he shut one eye 1437 01:40:13,634 --> 01:40:16,220 and then he keep the other eye on you. 1438 01:40:16,428 --> 01:40:17,972 That's what he did to me all the time. 1439 01:40:18,180 --> 01:40:21,016 I say, don't you go to sleep at all? 1440 01:40:21,225 --> 01:40:25,312 And he was "Nah, you know, 75 percent business," 1441 01:40:25,521 --> 01:40:27,773 "and 25 percent music." 1442 01:40:28,691 --> 01:40:31,568 He said, "Watch me and get yourself together." 1443 01:40:31,777 --> 01:40:33,612 "It ain't just coming out here" 1444 01:40:33,862 --> 01:40:35,572 "and lolly-gagging and having a good time." 1445 01:40:35,781 --> 01:40:39,493 He wanted me to see that it took hard work. 1446 01:40:39,702 --> 01:40:41,203 I'm like, 'What? 1447 01:40:53,757 --> 01:40:54,883 And James Brown, 1448 01:40:55,092 --> 01:40:58,387 he wasn't on to the new style that was coming in. 1449 01:41:01,807 --> 01:41:03,308 It really started 1450 01:41:03,517 --> 01:41:07,021 with James Brown teaching me about the one. 1451 01:41:07,229 --> 01:41:09,670 "Just give me the one, then you can play all that other stuff. 1452 01:41:09,732 --> 01:41:12,401 But if you give me that one you can play that." 1453 01:41:12,609 --> 01:41:15,738 And he would tell me that every night. 1454 01:41:15,946 --> 01:41:18,198 "Nah. You haven't got it, son." 1455 01:41:18,407 --> 01:41:22,453 "No, son, you haven't got it." You know? 1456 01:41:22,661 --> 01:41:26,248 And I mean, it was so cold, it was like, dag. 1457 01:41:38,385 --> 01:41:42,681 Little did I know that the way he was drilling us, 1458 01:41:43,390 --> 01:41:46,435 was all the encouragement we really needed, you know, 1459 01:41:46,643 --> 01:41:49,063 because it made me want to practice harder. 1460 01:42:10,709 --> 01:42:13,796 He always said "Catfish understood," you know, 1461 01:42:14,046 --> 01:42:15,923 because Catfish was older than me 1462 01:42:16,131 --> 01:42:18,467 and he wasn't wild like me. 1463 01:42:18,675 --> 01:42:22,679 He really loved my brother. I could see the love. 1464 01:42:34,024 --> 01:42:35,692 Bootsy and Catfish, 1465 01:42:35,901 --> 01:42:38,445 they brought a complete different rhythm. 1466 01:42:44,785 --> 01:42:47,371 I had to adjust to playing with them, 1467 01:42:47,579 --> 01:42:48,831 playing James' stuff. 1468 01:42:55,212 --> 01:42:58,465 He took the funk from the drum and put it in the bass. 1469 01:43:23,115 --> 01:43:25,200 It was a life-changing moment. 1470 01:43:25,534 --> 01:43:27,244 We got the rehearsals, we got tight. 1471 01:43:38,672 --> 01:43:41,383 James started digging it, you know, he started grooving. 1472 01:43:41,592 --> 01:43:43,468 He started opening up after he starts 1473 01:43:43,677 --> 01:43:47,639 seeing that it was somewhere else to go. 1474 01:43:48,140 --> 01:43:49,892 And it was on then. 1475 01:43:50,058 --> 01:43:51,058 - Fellas! - Yeah! 1476 01:43:51,185 --> 01:43:52,185 - Fellas! - Yeah! 1477 01:43:52,311 --> 01:43:54,478 - Fellas! - Yeah! 1478 01:43:54,479 --> 01:43:56,523 I'm ready to get up and do my thing. 1479 01:43:58,400 --> 01:44:00,402 I wanna to get up and do my thing. 1480 01:44:01,570 --> 01:44:04,781 - Like a... - What? 1481 01:44:05,365 --> 01:44:07,826 Like a sex machine. 1482 01:44:08,202 --> 01:44:10,322 - Got to got it on. Got it on. - Got it on. Got it on. 1483 01:44:10,412 --> 01:44:11,955 1, 2, 3, 4... 1484 01:44:38,440 --> 01:44:41,109 The song "Sex Machine" came about on the bus. 1485 01:44:45,072 --> 01:44:47,616 The lyric wasn't saying all that much 1486 01:44:47,824 --> 01:44:49,665 but the fact that we were saying "Sex Machine," 1487 01:44:49,701 --> 01:44:52,246 which weren't supposed to be said on records, 1488 01:44:52,454 --> 01:44:54,214 you know what I'm saying, you can't say that, 1489 01:44:54,373 --> 01:44:56,083 you can't say sex, you know, 1490 01:44:56,291 --> 01:44:57,971 and that kind of thing and they let it out, 1491 01:44:58,210 --> 01:45:02,214 and, of course, at that time, maybe things was changing. 1492 01:45:37,374 --> 01:45:38,750 Once "Sex Machine" came out, 1493 01:45:38,959 --> 01:45:41,586 and once he had enough time to really rehearse that band 1494 01:45:41,795 --> 01:45:44,339 and rearrange his music to fit that band, 1495 01:45:44,548 --> 01:45:47,217 it really did kind of reinvent the James Brown template. 1496 01:45:51,179 --> 01:45:53,515 And reinvigorated the show 1497 01:45:53,724 --> 01:45:55,642 and, frankly, the box office results. 1498 01:45:55,851 --> 01:45:58,895 And, you know, six months later, we're like, okay, we're safe. 1499 01:46:19,875 --> 01:46:22,461 Just 24 hours ago, these streets were filled 1500 01:46:22,669 --> 01:46:24,546 with rioters, looters and burglars. 1501 01:46:25,213 --> 01:46:29,343 Six men are dead, 51 businesses have been burned, 1502 01:46:29,551 --> 01:46:31,678 and the National Guard was called in, 1503 01:46:31,887 --> 01:46:33,555 while city officials and black leaders 1504 01:46:33,764 --> 01:46:35,474 tried to work out their differences. 1505 01:46:35,682 --> 01:46:38,560 Negro entertainer, James Brown, flew into his hometown 1506 01:46:38,769 --> 01:46:41,980 and went on television to tell black people to "cool it." 1507 01:46:42,189 --> 01:46:43,440 We're can all walk to the bargaining table 1508 01:46:43,648 --> 01:46:45,650 and sit down and be men and human beings 1509 01:46:45,859 --> 01:46:49,988 and find something that... Find a medium of reasoning. 1510 01:46:50,197 --> 01:46:53,492 Brown toured the troubled area, asking for calm. 1511 01:46:53,909 --> 01:46:55,660 Many blacks say they listened to him 1512 01:46:55,911 --> 01:46:58,872 and would not have listened to anyone else. 1513 01:46:59,247 --> 01:47:02,542 Jim Whipkey, WSB News, Augusta. 1514 01:47:02,834 --> 01:47:05,212 Do you feel that whites, have they accepted you 1515 01:47:05,420 --> 01:47:08,590 because of your ability to deal with your people? 1516 01:47:09,966 --> 01:47:11,760 I don't like the word accept, you know. 1517 01:47:11,968 --> 01:47:13,129 You are a beautiful young man 1518 01:47:13,136 --> 01:47:15,096 but I think you're interviewing me a little wrong. 1519 01:47:15,180 --> 01:47:16,180 How's that, sir? 1520 01:47:16,348 --> 01:47:18,266 I don't think you understand me. 1521 01:47:19,142 --> 01:47:21,812 Number one, I'm not trying to prove nothing to the white, 1522 01:47:22,062 --> 01:47:23,814 that I can be a head nigger. 1523 01:47:24,106 --> 01:47:25,565 See, that's not my bag. 1524 01:47:25,982 --> 01:47:27,067 I'm a man. 1525 01:47:27,442 --> 01:47:29,361 I'm not trying to make the white man accept me 1526 01:47:29,569 --> 01:47:30,862 but I would like for people to accept me 1527 01:47:31,071 --> 01:47:33,031 whether black or white, you know, 1528 01:47:33,240 --> 01:47:34,400 and understand what I'm doing 1529 01:47:34,408 --> 01:47:36,618 but if they don't I still got to do what I feel like is right. 1530 01:47:36,827 --> 01:47:38,662 I'm not a cat that get up there grinning and laughing 1531 01:47:38,870 --> 01:47:40,997 and say take me in, please, you know. 1532 01:47:41,623 --> 01:47:42,904 I'm saying don't give me nothing, 1533 01:47:42,999 --> 01:47:44,640 just open the door and I'll get it myself. 1534 01:48:01,685 --> 01:48:04,271 Mr. Brown, why are you endorsing President Nixon? 1535 01:48:04,521 --> 01:48:05,881 Well, I'm endorsing President Nixon 1536 01:48:05,981 --> 01:48:09,109 because I believe in the future of the country lies 1537 01:48:09,317 --> 01:48:10,861 with Mr. Nixon 1538 01:48:11,069 --> 01:48:14,614 and I feel that some of the things he's done 1539 01:48:14,823 --> 01:48:17,784 is very close to my heart as a minority, as a black man. 1540 01:48:21,079 --> 01:48:23,123 I think James Brown was going to endorse 1541 01:48:23,331 --> 01:48:26,001 whoever was going to give him an audience. 1542 01:48:26,209 --> 01:48:28,545 If a poor kid from Augusta who's a soul singer 1543 01:48:28,753 --> 01:48:30,255 can get the White House on the phone 1544 01:48:30,464 --> 01:48:31,882 once or twice a year, 1545 01:48:32,257 --> 01:48:33,508 that's more important 1546 01:48:33,717 --> 01:48:36,636 than having the phone numbers of the guy who lost. 1547 01:48:37,471 --> 01:48:39,806 And that confused the hell out of a lot of people. 1548 01:48:42,809 --> 01:48:44,978 He did not see any difference 1549 01:48:45,187 --> 01:48:49,608 between being strong black, strong cultural, 1550 01:48:49,900 --> 01:48:51,485 authentic who you was 1551 01:48:51,693 --> 01:48:54,905 but politically being conservative and Republican 1552 01:48:55,113 --> 01:48:57,282 and it was this paradox. 1553 01:48:57,782 --> 01:48:59,343 So are you saying that you're Republican 1554 01:48:59,367 --> 01:49:00,367 or Democrat, sir? 1555 01:49:00,535 --> 01:49:03,413 I'm saying that I'm a countryman and I'm endorsing the country 1556 01:49:03,622 --> 01:49:06,041 and I feel that my best way of endorsing the country 1557 01:49:06,249 --> 01:49:07,530 is to come and endorse Mr. Nixon. 1558 01:49:26,603 --> 01:49:28,730 James and Nixon had talked 1559 01:49:28,939 --> 01:49:30,815 and on occasions, 1560 01:49:32,984 --> 01:49:36,112 and Nixon was going to change some things. 1561 01:50:08,353 --> 01:50:10,313 Before he got into this Nixon thing 1562 01:50:10,522 --> 01:50:13,817 people would tell him to just be a musician, be a singer. 1563 01:50:14,025 --> 01:50:15,527 Stay out of the eyes of the camera 1564 01:50:15,735 --> 01:50:19,114 because that is going to cause you a problem down the road 1565 01:50:19,322 --> 01:50:20,699 and, of course, it did. 1566 01:50:23,118 --> 01:50:26,871 The blacks turned against him, the albums were being burned 1567 01:50:27,622 --> 01:50:30,917 and the record sales went plummeting. 1568 01:50:32,794 --> 01:50:35,088 He knew that he would be attacked 1569 01:50:35,297 --> 01:50:37,841 and people picketed James Brown shows. 1570 01:50:38,049 --> 01:50:40,427 What amazed me is he didn't care. 1571 01:50:40,635 --> 01:50:42,929 He really believed he was right. 1572 01:50:46,641 --> 01:50:48,393 A lot of promises were made, 1573 01:50:48,602 --> 01:50:51,146 a lot of things were said that didn't never happen. 1574 01:50:53,481 --> 01:50:56,109 Then he got real bitter about that situation 1575 01:50:56,318 --> 01:50:58,862 and he felt that he had been let down. 1576 01:51:00,363 --> 01:51:01,781 And he had been let down. 1577 01:51:23,970 --> 01:51:25,263 We have a young man in the studio 1578 01:51:25,472 --> 01:51:28,808 who's here to make a presentation to James Brown 1579 01:51:29,017 --> 01:51:30,352 and his name is Al Sharpton. 1580 01:51:32,687 --> 01:51:34,814 1973, I was 18. 1581 01:51:35,023 --> 01:51:37,192 I had a met a young man named Teddy Brown, 1582 01:51:37,400 --> 01:51:39,069 who was James Brown's son. 1583 01:51:39,277 --> 01:51:41,488 And Teddy got killed in a car accident. 1584 01:51:41,696 --> 01:51:44,574 James Brown and I became very close, 1585 01:51:44,783 --> 01:51:48,536 and eventually he became the father I didn't have, 1586 01:51:48,745 --> 01:51:51,206 and I became the replacement for Teddy. 1587 01:51:51,414 --> 01:51:52,874 Then he flew me to California 1588 01:51:53,083 --> 01:51:54,443 to give him an award on Soul Train. 1589 01:51:54,668 --> 01:51:56,044 What do we have here? 1590 01:51:56,252 --> 01:51:58,963 Well, we feel "The Payback" is sort of like the theme song 1591 01:51:59,172 --> 01:52:01,466 of young black America in 1974 1592 01:52:01,675 --> 01:52:02,995 because it says many of the things 1593 01:52:03,134 --> 01:52:05,220 that young blacks have tried to say 1594 01:52:05,428 --> 01:52:09,432 and could not musically express in our own little way. 1595 01:52:11,142 --> 01:52:12,936 We weren't from the "We Shall Overcome" era. 1596 01:52:13,144 --> 01:52:15,105 We grew up in the "I'm Black and Proud" 1597 01:52:15,313 --> 01:52:16,606 and "Payback" era, 1598 01:52:16,815 --> 01:52:19,776 and it was that era that introduced those of us 1599 01:52:19,984 --> 01:52:21,695 that grew up in the 70's, 80's, 90's. 1600 01:52:29,869 --> 01:52:31,996 By the mid 70's, James Brown was so much 1601 01:52:32,205 --> 01:52:35,125 of the basic fabric of American music. 1602 01:52:35,333 --> 01:52:38,128 You could definitely tell his musical children 1603 01:52:38,336 --> 01:52:39,337 with no problem. 1604 01:52:46,010 --> 01:52:49,389 Easily Michael Jackson, easily Prince. 1605 01:52:52,517 --> 01:52:53,517 Most people, 1606 01:52:53,685 --> 01:52:56,312 when they look at the mustache period of James Brown, 1607 01:52:56,521 --> 01:52:58,857 see that as sort of the beginning-of-the-end period. 1608 01:52:59,065 --> 01:53:03,194 But the true disciple of the mustache period is Prince. 1609 01:53:03,403 --> 01:53:07,741 So even James Brown's down period was influential. 1610 01:53:08,908 --> 01:53:10,577 In the late 1970's when they said 1611 01:53:10,785 --> 01:53:12,829 Mr. Brown was having all kinds of issues 1612 01:53:13,037 --> 01:53:15,331 and problems getting a hit record, 1613 01:53:15,540 --> 01:53:17,500 he was hot in the DJ community. 1614 01:53:18,501 --> 01:53:20,170 The B-boys and the hip hop artists 1615 01:53:20,378 --> 01:53:22,046 were playing "Get On The Good Foot" 1616 01:53:22,255 --> 01:53:24,299 and especially the Sex Machine album. 1617 01:53:24,507 --> 01:53:26,384 "Give It Up Or Turn it A Loose" was the hip-hop 1618 01:53:26,593 --> 01:53:28,303 b-boy break dance anthem, 1619 01:53:28,511 --> 01:53:33,975 so it was like an obvious thing to actually mimic Mr. Brown. 1620 01:53:34,601 --> 01:53:35,894 In the mid 80's, 1621 01:53:36,102 --> 01:53:38,104 there was a period in which producers 1622 01:53:38,313 --> 01:53:40,148 would take these James Brown breaks 1623 01:53:40,356 --> 01:53:42,150 and create all these new songs. 1624 01:53:45,695 --> 01:53:48,907 Funky Drummer was essential for that classic hip-hop period. 1625 01:53:49,115 --> 01:53:51,034 Everybody used that sound. 1626 01:53:53,578 --> 01:53:54,829 I hate that song. 1627 01:53:56,456 --> 01:54:00,335 Was it the Funky Drummer? I don't like that song. 1628 01:54:00,835 --> 01:54:03,254 We had been playing somewhere that night before 1629 01:54:03,463 --> 01:54:06,216 and as we get to Cincinnati going to check into the hotel 1630 01:54:06,424 --> 01:54:07,424 to go to bed, 1631 01:54:07,592 --> 01:54:10,512 Brown says, "Go take them to the studio." 1632 01:54:10,720 --> 01:54:13,973 We all were so tired, didn't even want to record, 1633 01:54:14,224 --> 01:54:16,893 so I started playing just the drum pattern. 1634 01:54:22,315 --> 01:54:25,151 Brown liked it and we recorded it 1635 01:54:25,527 --> 01:54:27,445 and it became our "Funky Drummer." 1636 01:54:27,862 --> 01:54:30,198 They've only had one failed single, 1637 01:54:30,406 --> 01:54:33,618 and that single's name was "Funky Drummer." 1638 01:54:35,453 --> 01:54:36,746 Go figure. 1639 01:54:37,539 --> 01:54:39,999 It's like the song that birthed my whole movement, 1640 01:54:40,208 --> 01:54:43,086 that magic count-off every rapper loves to hear. 1641 01:54:43,294 --> 01:54:46,256 One, two, three, four, hit it! 1642 01:55:01,271 --> 01:55:05,942 The hip-hop act that best utilized "Funky Drummer" 1643 01:55:06,150 --> 01:55:07,318 was Public Enemy. 1644 01:55:17,996 --> 01:55:21,165 Fight The Power also sampled "Hot Pants Road." 1645 01:55:24,919 --> 01:55:25,962 It was just like, "Wait a minute, 1646 01:55:26,170 --> 01:55:28,631 James Brown is like all over hip-hop these days." 1647 01:55:33,177 --> 01:55:35,680 James Brown would go into a riff 1648 01:55:35,889 --> 01:55:37,932 and it would be a nice break. 1649 01:55:38,808 --> 01:55:40,435 But for a hip hop record, you could say, 1650 01:55:40,643 --> 01:55:43,688 "Man, we could take this for like, five minutes." 1651 01:55:44,105 --> 01:55:45,982 We are going to keep vamping on the vamp. 1652 01:55:49,986 --> 01:55:52,488 "Fight The Power" comes from James Brown 1653 01:55:52,989 --> 01:55:56,492 saying it like it had to be in the 60's. 1654 01:55:59,120 --> 01:56:01,414 I love James Brown. 1655 01:56:01,915 --> 01:56:04,000 There would be no me without James Brown 1656 01:56:04,208 --> 01:56:05,585 so we all owe it to James Brown. 1657 01:56:07,795 --> 01:56:09,464 My greatest inspiration of all time, 1658 01:56:09,672 --> 01:56:10,840 musically, is James Brown. 1659 01:56:12,091 --> 01:56:14,552 If you listen to, like, "Watch The Throne", 1660 01:56:14,761 --> 01:56:18,348 the most soulful part of the Otis song 1661 01:56:18,556 --> 01:56:20,600 is that sort of climactic... 1662 01:56:26,606 --> 01:56:29,400 The James Brown scream, it's gospel, 1663 01:56:29,609 --> 01:56:33,613 it's soulful, it's primitive, sexual, angry... 1664 01:56:37,116 --> 01:56:39,285 Even now, James Brown is here, 1665 01:56:39,494 --> 01:56:41,120 whether you acknowledge it or not. 1666 01:56:42,914 --> 01:56:45,291 He never saw himself as a hit artist. 1667 01:56:45,833 --> 01:56:47,627 He always saw himself as a historic figure. 1668 01:56:47,835 --> 01:56:49,837 He said, "The reason I'm going to be historic" 1669 01:56:50,046 --> 01:56:51,464 "is I wasn't one of the boys." 1670 01:56:57,011 --> 01:56:58,304 And he would always tell me, 1671 01:56:58,513 --> 01:57:00,473 "Whatever you do in life, be you, be different." 1672 01:57:01,474 --> 01:57:02,642 I think it was also why 1673 01:57:02,850 --> 01:57:07,063 he was off to himself in his own way, musically... 1674 01:57:10,441 --> 01:57:12,777 ...because he grew up in the woods, by himself, 1675 01:57:12,986 --> 01:57:14,904 laid there in the whorehouse by himself, 1676 01:57:15,113 --> 01:57:18,908 so it gave him the sense of, "Me against the world." 1677 01:57:22,870 --> 01:57:24,080 What was his negative 1678 01:57:24,288 --> 01:57:26,290 may have ended up being his strength. 1679 01:57:28,251 --> 01:57:29,502 When he got on that stage, 1680 01:57:29,711 --> 01:57:32,588 James Brown personified his music 1681 01:57:32,797 --> 01:57:35,341 and he reflected a life experience. 1682 01:57:42,515 --> 01:57:44,058 Ladies and gentlemen, here he is, 1683 01:57:44,267 --> 01:57:46,310 the greatest entertainer in the world, 1684 01:57:46,519 --> 01:57:51,941 Mr. Please Please himself, hard-working James Brown!140078

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