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Schrader: Fear -- most run from it.

Bruni: What happened in here?

[ static crackles ]

oh, my god.

But some embrace it.

This is a place that has a very, very dark

and morbid, sad history.

[ crying ] I don't even want to open my eyes.

I'm dave schrader, lead paranormal investigator

of "the holzer files,"

bringing you the most outrageous...

Both: Ohh!

That was a very distinct answer.

...And shocking moments...

It's horrible.

How did they execute people here?

Gallows.

Schrader: ...From a terrifying episode...

Punch.

Bruni: You have people being grabbed.

You have people being shoved.

Someone hit me.

Schrader: ...Of "kindred spirits."

something wants our attention, and it's got it.

♪♪

schrader: You've told us they stand out for you, too.

So the "kindred spirits" crew, amy...

In a space like this, you don't want to take any chances.

Schrader: ...Adam...

Throwing ourselves in the belly of the beast

schrader: ...And chip... Dogs get treated better.

How horrible this must have been.

Schrader: ...Are going to answer your questions from twitter,

as well as some of mine, about these ghostly encounters...

I just heard something really loud drop.

...And offer new insights

into a truly spine-chilling investigation.

Who just whispered?

♪♪

st. Augustine, florida.

Oldest city in america.

Notorious for its hauntings.

The old jail has a dark history.

Bruni: People were virtually tortured.

Schrader: Prisoners were treated worse than animals.

Public executions were common.

Recently, activity has escalated.

People have been punched and choked.

So amy, adam, and chip were called in to investigate.

♪♪

here's our first question from twitter.

Sigoladerecha asks,

"how do you feel being in such a negative place?

How can you describe that? I'd be terrified."

the jail is wild, because during the day,

it's a massive tourist attraction.

But then when the lights go out, the vibe completely changes.

You feel like something is watching you constantly.

It's one of the most terrifying places ever.

Well, it's time to interview the jail manager, stephen.

♪♪

and how long was the jail running?

1891 to 1953.

Oh, and then what was the reason for closing it?

The disease in here was rampant,

the overcrowding unbearable.

People were fighting. Were they killing each other?

Like...

To say the least. Okay.

Oh, really, it was that bad?

We had murderers in this jail.

We had a variety of criminals in this jail,

and energy like that doesn't just leave

because you've dragged the bodies out.

True. So true.

Yeah.

Could you actually feel the energy there?

♪♪

yeah. I mean, I think what's interesting

is you almost feel like you can cut it with a knife,

it's so thick and overpowering. Oh, my god.

Yeah. I mean, I know that just when you go in

and you start thinking about what happened there,

like, the tragedy and, just, the death,

it kind of overtakes you. And you're in there,

and it's hard not to think about that

and just get the job done.

So true.

♪♪

stephen: We are in maximum security,

where the worst of the worst would've been kept.

Bruni: Is there anything that's happened in this area?

This cell down here

is solitary confinement.

People being grabbed by the arm

turned around to realize nothing is there.

I've seen a figure

affectionately known as the crawler.

It's a very dark entity.

It's like a shadow figure,

but one that you see with the naked eye,

one that is darker than any other shadow,

one that tends to move.

To suddenly be in the presence

of something that is crawling,

it changed me. It was terrifying.

So creepy.

Schrader: We have another question from twitter.

Joan asks, "what do you think shadow figures really are?

And can you get rid of them?"

I think that shadow figures

are just one of many ways that spirits manifest.

And I think they tend to be more residual in energy,

but they're super creepy.

They're kind of like the epitome

of scary activity for people.

I think that's why a lot of people

tend to associate them with something negative.

♪♪

uh -- uh --

oh, my god.

Yeah, and I don't really think you can get rid of something

that really wants to get your attention.

Mm-hmm.

There's a story I want to tell you

about something that happened to me.

As I was coming up the stairs...

I hit about this spot,

and suddenly,

I felt a full-on hand press against my chest.

And then I felt a push.

I came backwards,

right back down these stairs.

People get shoved in this building.

People feel things in this building.

People become overwhelmed with things in this building

that they can't see, they can't grasp, they can't understand,

and in a place like this,

it's absolutely shattering. It's terrifying.

Karen asks, "do you think that the spirits were angry

or frustrated by the tourists not being aware

of the dark history of that jail?"

can you imagine being this trapped soul

that had this awful ending to your life,

and people are just walking through the place

with, like, ice cream cones and stuff all day?

I feel like that's why at night, when things quiet down,

they want to get your attention,

'cause that's the only chance they have.

Stephen: One night, I had a group up here.

The group is in here,

and I'm moving around the outside of the cell block,

telling them a story

when I see that one of my guests

has decided to follow me.

It's only as I got around the corner and over here

that I realize that that guest was getting closer to me,

and I was able to make out that it wasn't indeed a guest at all.

The crawler was moving against the bars

rather than on the floor.

That was a real eye-opening moment for me.

Bruni: Yeah.

The crawler? What the hell is the crawler?

Yeah, it's definitely something you don't want to be startled by

when you're alone in the dark.

I don't...

Want to say

what I just saw on the floor.

It's terrifying.

I want to be startled by it alone in the dark

or in the light.

That's nightmare fuel.

Yeah.

And I've encountered

the crawler. Really?

And when I've seen it,

it was in the women's cell block.

And the way I noticed is because it's dark.

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

It's pitch black in there.

But then there's another spot on the floor that's even darker.

And you can kind of see it moving around a little.

You notice the one corner,

and then you notice it move over here.

Then you feel something brush up against your leg.

There has been a few times when I was giving tours

in maximum security,

and this happened to me for two days straight.

Mm-hmm.

Every time I walked in there,

I start getting this sharp pain in my stomach,

like, a sharp pain

where it almost felt like

I was losing breath. Wow.

I would have to stop, breathe a little,

and carry on with the story.

Okay.

But every time I stepped out...

It was gone. ...It was gone.

It just totally left.

Is there any area of concern

that you would like to see us focus on

or that you think needs our help?

If you ask me, the entire building.

The energy is so crazy,

I kept thinking, "how are these people still working here?"

right.

The entities. I mean, it's clearly violent.

How concerned were you for the safety of yourselves

and for the crew?

I mean, you always have to be cautious

about something like this.

You never know what you're going to get,

and you never know what kind of questions you need to ask

to make sure that you're safe.

And so you just hit it head on and try to protect each other.

Employees are quitting because they're scared to work here.

It doesn't surprise me, though, with a history like this.

I mean, the place is already dangerous enough in the dark,

all these, like, stairs everywhere and things.

The added intensity of something there

that might want to push you down those stairs

is definitely something you have to watch out for.

Bruni: Now that the jail has closed and we're alone,

we're going to start our search for this crawler

in the deputies' quarters.

Alright, so this is the flux 2.

So you can set it to respond

if something moves within a foot,

if something moves within, like three feet,

if something moves within seven feet.

Oh, I put this k2 here

just because there's a bunch of objects on here.

It's already going off.

I think something is setting it off.

Schrader: Here's another question from twitter,

and I'm paraphrasing.

Daff nee asks, "what investigative tool

do you like to use best?"

I think we definitely gravitate toward our recorder

just because we can have full-on conversations.

That's why we review it in real time.

We ask questions, and then we listen right back.

So we are actually conversing with these spirits.

Do you happen to know who is upstairs?

[ static crackles ]

was he feeling you?

What is your name?

What happened in here?

[ static crackles ]

oh, my god.

Also, we tend to pick the piece of equipment

that's going to help us focus on the individual

we're trying to contact, whether it's something touching it

or something speaking.

Let's do a little evp work. Mm-hmm.

Hi, there, to whoever is here who's nonliving.

No one's passing any judgement on you

or what you did or how you ended up here,

and even if you worked here

and maybe were witness to some terrible things

and feel bad about it or whatever.

Prisoner, inmate,

sheriff, deputy,

murderer, outlaw, whoever...

What do you think of the people

who take tours here every day?

Let's listen here.

[ static crackles ]

[ static crackles ]

what was that?

"I'm not a murderer."

next up, we have a question from dan.

When you hear a voice that sounds demonic,

does it change the way you do your investigations?

I just think that whatever that voice is,

they really wanted to say something.

They had to get your attention.

It is absolutely terrifying and frightening at times.

But we have to keep our composure and focus.

That's the first thing we came in, and we just said,

"what do you need us to fix?" yeah, it says...

"I'm not a murderer." ..."I'm not a murderer."

what happened outside? Yeah.

People were hung for murders.

Yeah. We don't know what they sound like where they are.

And so if we assume that every scary voice is a demon,

we could really be, you know, misidentifying these spirits.

We want to make sure that we're as compassionate as possible

until they prove us wrong, I guess,

for lack of a better word. Yeah. Yeah.

And when they prove us wrong, it can get ugly.

And there is a difference, right,

I mean, between something of a demonic force

and maybe just a frustrated, angry spirit,

especially one that wants to be cleared

of a crime that perhaps they didn't commit.

Right. Exactly. And so, like in this case,

if we had assumed they were something demonic or negative,

we never would have been able to help them.

So you kind of have to let that go out of your your mind

for a minute and just imagine

that there's someone who needs help.

Absolutely.

I just saw a shadow figure

go in front of that.

Oh, my god.

I feel like my nose wants to bleed.

Punch.

Just a violent action.

♪♪

bruni: We're investigating the violent activity

at st. Augustine's old jail,

and I think we've just hit on why spirits here

are aggressively trying to get the attention of the living.

Can you say -- would you mind

repeating that for us? Can you say that again?

I don't...

Want to say

what I just saw on the floor.

Wait, you saw something on the floor?

Where?

Right down there.

But I literally saw something black

just move across the floor here.

It was literally -- it just moved.

Like, it was probably about this big

and just, like, moved across the floor like this.

It had no, like, real shape to it.

Weird. It just kind of went like this.

I mean, that's what they described.

He called it the crawler.

I know, but I just didn't expect

to see it, like, that clearly.

I'm not even kidding.

I just saw a shadow figure

go in front of that,

the light,

the light right there, on the thing,

whatever's coming through, on the bars.

So, do you think that that was the crawler?

And was it trying to communicate with you?

I mean, I think we saw the crawler.

And I think we saw it really quick in the investigation.

Right here? Uh-huh.

It's always great when we can, you know, correlate activity

with what the client is experiencing.

But in this case, that's one of those things

you're not really sure you actually want to see it.

It was like the two lights on this side,

literally, just, like, three of them disappeared.

Like something reached out, maybe?

It was [snaps fingers] like that.

It had direction. It had movement.

And it looked exactly like what they described.

It was darker than the actual dark.

Somebody wants our attention, and it's got it.

We were up there for, I don't know,

less than 30 minutes, and it went crazy.

Something was reaching out to us that said, "I'm not a murderer."

we saw a weird shadow thing crawling on the ground.

We saw a weird shadow thing in the jail.

This thing moves around, whatever it is.

You know, it's up to us to figure out

what's actually going on.

I don't know.

Do we try this same area but downstairs,

like, in the sheriff's office?

Yes.

Bruni: We had experience after experience.

We got the very distinct evp of, "I am not a murderer."

and, I mean, that's such

a call to action for us. That's our mission.

Now we have to figure out who this person is,

why is it so important for them to get that message out,

and how the hell are we going to fix this.

Do you happen to know who is upstairs

that feels they were wrongly accused?

What was the sheriff's name when you were here?

Who was the sheriff?

Was he a good sheriff?

♪♪

[ static crackles ]

[ static crackles loudly ]

both: Ohh!

That was a very distinct answer. Yeah.

When you were here...

Gah!

I get chills every time I hear that.

Every time.

Well, ann asks, "what type of feeling

does hearing a disembodied voice like that bring to you, amy?"

I mean, in that case, it was just so crazy

because upstairs, we have someone declaring

they're not a murderer. And downstairs, we have someone

clearly not happy with the sheriff.

And we had heard some stories.

And so at this point, we're like, "okay," you know,

"is this voice something we need to be concerned about?"

but, yeah, you hear something like that...

[ static crackles ] oh!

...It's disconcerting, to say the least.

♪♪

no answers to anything

until we asked if the sheriff was a good man,

and there was a very distinct "no" to that one.

No. Yeah.

Whoever, whatever is slinking around --

and I don't know if that's a person --

right. "I am not a murderer."

yeah, I mean, I feel like I really want to know who that is.

I do, too.

Do you feel like you're getting any closer

to determining who the spirit is?

I mean, I think it was very clear that this was someone

who spent time in the prison as an inmate.

I know that was actually still very daunting for us, though,

because so many people spent time in that jail,

but also, their record keeping was not great.

So we knew we still had our work cut out for us.

Yeah. The next step was to go out

and really, really dig into the research.

♪♪

berry: With the evp that we caught, "I am not a murderer,"

I really want to find as much information as I possibly can

on those that were incarcerated in the jail,

those that might have been convicted of murder,

those that were probably put to death.

Hmm.

So you have jim kirby and you have robert lee,

who were both convicted of murder,

and it seems like jim kirby

said that robert had nothing to do with the murder,

but they hung him anyway.

And there's no...

I can't find a robert lee in the intake records

for crimes committed in --

during that time period, 1901, 1900.

I don't see him listed.

So I don't know if he was exonerated,

or they just erased his file, or...

It's bizarre, though, that they have no record of it.

"lee was visibly agitated and showing that

he was suffering mental agony."

because he didn't do it.

"hanging an innocent man," said lee,

"I'm going to meet death bravely.

I know the public believes I'm guilty

and that I have been cursed and abused,

but I am innocent, and you will learn such in the next world."

that just gave me chills.

That's really intense.

Tonight, when we investigate,

we need to use jim kirby and robert lee for sure.

I mean, especially if robert lee didn't do it,

and he's the one trying to reach out to us.

No record. He was, like,

wiped off the face of the earth, basically.

Well, it makes you a little bit more understanding

of why this spirit would be so upset,

if that's really the case, that he's been basically erased

and was murdered for a crime he didn't commit.

"I am innocent, and you will learn such in the next world."

to actually curse the people that were doing it,

saying, "you're gonna find out in the next world

if not this one," is really, really insane.

Actual words.

Yeah, I can't think of a more classic example

of unfinished business,

like, something that would keep someone earthbound,

something they want to make right.

Let's welcome now to the show chip coffey. Chip, welcome.

Thanks, dave.

Hey, chip.

Hi, chip. Hi, guys. Good to see you.

♪♪

berry: We're bringing chip into this investigation

for a really specific reason.

There we go.

At this point, there are spirits here

that live here all the time,

and we have somebody obviously communicating with us.

We think we have an idea of who's here.

We know the circumstances

surrounding the incident and the death,

and maybe he can pinpoint into that.

I feel like I'm walking the green mile, you guys.

He does not know anything about our locations when he shows up.

But in this case, we're actually going to blindfold him

because once you pass through the doors,

it's clearly -- it's a jail.

So we want to blindfold him.

We want to bring him in

just so that he is completely in the dark

on everything, including visually,

and seeing what kind of things come to him.

Schrader: Now, we have a comment from sara.

"it's crazy how you said you feel like

you were walking the green mile."

chip, what were you sensing as you entered?

It was crazy. I just somehow knew

that where I was at had something to do with prisoners

or people that had been incarcerated.

It was the most bizarre feeling.

Is that ever overwhelming to you? Do you ever get visions

of this or flashes before you even get in a car

to head towards where the location is?

Sometimes I will get visions or information

before I head to a location.

I'm always excited when that information is verified

once I get with amy and adam.

Stop right here.

Stop right here for a second.

I feel like my nose wants to bleed.

Someone hit me.

♪♪

like punch, punch...

♪♪

in those moments, chip,

are you reliving what was happening to someone there,

or are the spirits physically rushing you

and physically attacking you?

The simple answer to that question is yes to both.

Someone hit me. Punch.

I was actually experiencing at that point

the physical violence

that was inflicted on the people in that facility.

And it was heartbreaking.

Yeah. There was a lot, for sure.

Hard to watch.

I feel like my nose wants to bleed.

Even watching it back, I was covered in cold chills

and felt the emotion that we all felt there.

It was -- it was devastating.

♪♪

got it? Okay, good. All right.

Just have a seat here for a second and...

♪♪

no.

Whoever I'm picking up says,

"I just don't give a damn anymore,

no need to even try."

♪♪

we're just going to step out of this space for a second.

♪♪

it's horrible.

[ sniffles, cries ]

♪♪

just hopeless.

♪♪

I still get teary when I watch that.

I don't feel like there's any reason to even...

Exist.

-Okay. -No.

♪♪

berry: We're in st. Augustine's old jail

trying to make contact with an entity

that told us it's not a murderer.

We've locked chip coffey

into the jail's most vulnerable spot --

solitary confinement.

As much as it pains us to watch him suffer,

we think we're making an important connection.

It's horrible.

[ sniffles, cries ]

♪♪

just hopeless.

♪♪

it comes in waves. It's like you don't feel like there's any --

you don't feel like there's any reason to even...

Exist.

And anger and frustration.

A name that comes into my head is james.

James.

Ugh.

I still get teary when I watch that.

Right. It's a devastating moment, chip.

And you're still blindfolded,

but you're feeling all of this emotion and sadness.

It's horrible.

Schrader: For those of us that don't have those abilities,

talk to me about what that feels like to you.

I called it a mini nervous breakdown

that I had in that isolation cell.

It was --

there -- words just can't describe

how sad and desperate

and overwhelmed I felt in that space.

It was horrible.

Vickie asks, "what was going through your minds

when chip reacted the way that he did?"

it was incredibly hard to watch.

You know, I don't even really re-watch it

when the episode airs.

Like, this is the first time I've really looked at it since

because it was so painful. But it was hard.

I wanted to just hug him.

Chip, I hate this.

Yeah. It's okay.

Yeah. But then he said, "james."

and that to me was worth --

you know, hopefully worth it, because we got an answer.

[ crying ] I don't even want to open my eyes.

♪♪

where is this?

Solitary confinement.

Sorry. No, I --

chip, I hate this.

Yeah. It's okay.

There's someone in here who's reaching out to people.

Our next question comes from stephanie.

I was completely wrecked. Watching you break down.

How do you recover from such an emotional experience?

I knew I had a job to do.

I did my job,

and I tried my best to just push it aside,

because if I'd held onto it,

I don't know how it might have affected me.

There's someone in here who's reaching out to people.

Do you have to do special things

after a moment like that, chip, to clear yourself

so that you're not carrying that emotion around

for the rest of the day?

As silly as this may sound, I just kind of walk it off.

Did they execute people here?

Yes.

How did they execute people here?

Gallows.

♪♪

they would make...

Oh, my god.

They would make the inmates build their own.

-Their own? -Mm-hmm.

-That makes me sick. -Yeah.

Any, like, name specifics or actions

or causes of incarceration?

There was someone who came through for us

really clearly last night when we were investigating.

We got a pretty strong evp

that said, "I'm not a murderer."

try the james thing.

James, jim kirby,

was sentenced to death for murder

along with robert lee.

They were hung on the gallows.

James said multiple times

that robert lee was innocent,

and they hung him anyway,

and robert lee said his innocence

will come to light in the next life.

So, it was robert lee.

That was robert lee who said that.

I had chills -- 100%, to a reporter, said,

"my innocence will be made to light in the next life."

you just got the next step in your process.

Amy and adam, what is it like when chip

becomes this conduit to the other side

and suddenly starts bringing these loose ends together?

I mean, chip is part of what we call our perfect trifecta.

So when we have, like, evidence plus research plus chip

all coming together,

we know we are onto something huge.

And so this was one of those moments,

and we love when that happens.

Yeah. You know, we just have to keep digging.

We have to keep going. And so we went back that night

and did another evp session, and this is what we got.

[ static crackles ]

oh, my god.

♪♪

[ static crackles, pops ]

"help me."

that's [bleep] up.

Remember, you said that the truth

would come to light in the next life.

Robert, this is your chance.

[ beeps ]

that hasn't done that.

♪♪

berry: We're at the old jail in st. Augustine,

where employees are being punched and pushed down steps.

Bruni: What happened in here?

[ static crackles, pops ]

oh, my god.

Someone just reached out, begging for help.

"help me."

could this be the same entity

that told us they weren't a murderer?

That was such a distinct evp.

Oh, god.

How can we help you?

We have to know how to help you.

Why have you chosen to remain here?

♪♪

do you want your story told?

♪♪

why do you think it just stopped communicating?

I think that whoever's in that space,

what they went through, they're not exactly trusting.

You know, I think they gave us a couple answers,

and then they backed off, with good reason.

You know, who are we? We just walk in

and we start asking these hard questions.

We decided to head back downstairs

where we last connected.

So, we'll put that here. [ device beeps ]

berry: So, we're going to go back to the deputies' quarters

where we got the evp.

I have the sls in case the crawler comes back.

It can map out anomalies, making it easier for us to see.

♪♪

we heard someone declare they are not a murderer.

That sounds an awful lot like the case

with robert lee and jim kirby.

Is that what you're referring to?

Robert, this is your chance.

Remember, you said that

the truth would come to life

in the next life.

We're here to fix it.

We want the world to know what really happened.

But you have to talk to us.

Robert, are you here with us?

♪♪

alright. I'm going to play this back.

Hmm.

Quiet.

Why isn't he talking to you?

Yeah. It's frustrating as an investigator

because you get to a certain point,

and you think you're almost there,

and it shuts down, almost like as if to say,

"I told you what I want. Now do it."

but we're like, "well, what is it exactly?"

you know, we don't really know yet.

Damn it.

He does not want to talk to us tonight.

Are there these brief windows,

these portals when they're able to be heard?

And if you just happen to be there at the moment that aligns,

it gives you that burst.

Sometimes that's all you'll ever get.

I mean, it could be that, you know,

it's just like a person. Maybe sometimes they're there.

Maybe it's sometimes they're home,

and maybe sometimes they're not, so...

Or this is just the ghosts' way of saying,

"just go ahead and text me."

e-mail. Just e-mail.

[ laughs ]

do you want emmanuel to come in here?

[ beeps ]

♪♪

huh.

That hasn't done that.

Okay.

You know emmanuel was here,

and stephen was here with us yesterday, and --

[ beeps ]

that's twice, though, things have gone off

at the mention of emmanuel, so...

Exactly.

[ beeps ]

♪♪

obviously, the spirits have spoken.

They're probably familiar with these people

that are around all the time, as well.

So that's really no surprise

that they may feel akin to somebody that is there.

Emmanuel: I want to introduce you to my friends.

They're here to tell your story.

He made it a habit to go in and talk to them by himself,

you know, before or after his shift.

So he was a very familiar figure to them.

So it makes sense that, you know,

he might be someone we need to bring in.

We brought him here to show you

that you can talk to us tonight, okay?

He's become a living trigger object.

Right.

We kind of feel like maybe

they just don't entirely trust us yet.

And they already have a rapport with you.

[ crash ]

I just heard something really loud drop right here.

♪♪

berry: We've been waiting at the old jail

in st. Augustine, florida,

hoping to experience some of the strange

and violent paranormal encounters people have had here.

He does not want to talk to us tonight.

No, and I'm --

but our investigation has been quiet

until we mentioned emmanuel,

one of the jail's employees.

Do you want emmanuel to come in here?

[ beeps ]

we bring him in in the beginning.

We'll have him walk us through.

Just, like, give, like, kind of, like, a,

"these are my friends. You can talk to them.

They want to help. I vouch for them."

right. It's like we need to reboot the investigation.

Yeah. Like, I feel like

tonight we just kind of waltzed in here

and thought we owned the place, and it shot us down.

[ beeps ]

-yeah, true. -Okay, we got it.

-That's so bizarre. -Message received.

♪♪

berry: We brought in emmanuel because he works here,

and he has a lot of activity that happens to him,

and the purpose of him introducing us to them

is to make sure that they understand

that we don't mean them any harm.

We kind of feel like maybe

they just don't entirely trust us yet,

and they already have a rapport with you,

so we were hoping maybe you could kind of

walk through the jail with us

and really just truly implore them to talk to us.

You're here to tell their story.

-Exactly. -Yeah, I can do that.

♪♪

I want to introduce you to my friends.

They're here to tell your story.

We know you have been shy before.

What can we do to help you?

Michael has a question now.

You are so respectful.

When do you think is the right time

to provoke a spirit to communicate?

If we start to get an idea of who the person is

and we know more about their personality,

and we think that maybe being a little more abrasive

would be appropriate, then we'll go down that path.

But it's definitely something

that we really think about before we go there.

Yeah, and if they start scratching us or poking us,

all bets are off.

Berry: This case is interesting because we kind of have a grasp

on what we think is happening.

The one person that we know that is not a murderer is robert lee.

And in order to confirm that, we need a name.

We need some sort of solid evidence

that points us right to the person

who we think is innocent.

We're genuinely here just to talk to you

and get to know you.

And so we brought you some bourbon,

and we brought you some cigars.

Amy and I like to use different kinds of trigger objects

so that we can present it to them and say,

"hey, guys, look, this is for you.

We are here to talk to you.

Open up to us, if you will," you know?

♪♪

I know you're down here.

Do you know who jim kirby is?

Do you know who robert lee is?

♪♪

we're trying to figure out

if it's robert lee who's here,

who told us he's not a murderer.

We know that you died on-site here.

Alright. Let's play it back.

This first one.

[ crash ]

I just heard something really loud drop, right here.

Here, who told us he's not a murderer. [ crash ]

♪♪

who just whispered?

I heard that, that [whooshes]

who just whispered?

♪♪

I'm in here by myself now.

Do you know who robert lee is?

Did you hear that?

♪♪

berry: We're back investigating the old jail,

and a former inmate who's been physically aggressive

with guests and employees is making contact.

♪♪

who just whispered?

I heard that, that [whooshes]

who just whispered?

I heard it right here, though.

♪♪

I legit heard, like, a whisper.

I heard it in there.

So it had to have been in this general vicinity.

How do you know if you're communicating

with robert lee or john doe?

All you need to do is just say a few words

so we are sure it's you, and that's it.

So, the evidence for us was pretty clear.

We got a reaction when we talked about the warden.

We looked up the dates that he was active in the prison.

We looked up those who were hanged on the gallows.

And robert lee was the one that was missing,

and he was the one that was innocent,

like, actively factually innocent.

And we got reaction to that when we asked about it.

So I think we were definitely on the right track.

It was a disembodied voice.

I hate disembodied voices.

What if they wanted me to go in here

to get close to you?

Okay.

Get out.

[ beeping ] let's do this.

Come here, sit with me.

These guys are going to leave.

Don't go too far, though, because I'm really creeped out.

No, no, no, it's okay.

I'm in here by myself now.

So, again, this red light...

Is that you?

Did you hear that?

Berry: Yeah, I heard it on this other side.

Hold on. Let me... I'm going to -- you know what?

You keep going. I'm going to circle around.

Okay.

Do you know who robert lee is?

Do you want everyone to know that you were wronged?

If we tell the world that you were innocent,

will you leave this place and move on

to where you're supposed to be?

All you need to do is just say a few words

so we're sure it's you, and that's it.

We'll tell everyone.

Alright. I'm going to listen back to this, and then...

[ sighs ]

lee! Lee!

Is that -- lee!

He says lee.

[ static crackles ] ooh!

Mmm.

Is that yes?

It's a yes.

[ static crackles ]

both: "tell them."

"tell them." yeah.

Wow. Well, that worked.

Mm. I'm, like, getting anxious

just thinking about that whole moment.

Like, are we gonna get the right answers

that we need to solve this case?

Schrader: Our last question comes from diana, who asks,

"do you ever have entities

follow you home from investigations

after they discover that you can communicate?"

theoretically, if they have intelligence

and they have the ability to be in different places,

what's to say they aren't going to show up

in your bedroom at night? Kind of frightening.

Lee, we're going to tell your story, okay?

We're going to tell everyone.

Yeah, you don't have to be here, sir.

Bruni: Finally, tonight, we heard the name lee

as well as a few other evps

that just really kind of solidified to us

that that's who we're talking to,

and he seemed very interested in getting his story told.

He wanted people to understand that he was innocent.

Berry: Now that the world will know robert lee was not a murderer,

he should be able to find peace and move on,

knowing that his story has been told

and his name has been cleared.

This episode was so powerful in many different ways.

Just hopeless.

Chip: It was the perfect paranormal storm.

All the elements just sort of tied up all --

a lot of loose ends with what was going on in that space,

bruni: In that particular spot,

there's a lot of sadness.

And I'm glad we could tell one story.

And there are probably so many more. And it's like that

in so many of these haunted locations we go to.

Are you still looking for new cases?

Always. Yes.

I mean, if you've got a case, if something's happening to you

and you need help, just reach out to us.

We're glad to help.