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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:37,704 --> 00:00:39,456 Tight knees, tight knees. 2 00:00:42,167 --> 00:00:43,209 Head in, Abbie. 3 00:00:43,293 --> 00:00:46,755 When I was young, my dream was always to go to the Olympics. 4 00:00:46,838 --> 00:00:48,840 And so I always had that in the back of my head. 5 00:00:48,923 --> 00:00:52,260 Guys, the goal is no arm circles on any of your sticks. 6 00:00:52,343 --> 00:00:54,888 Only count the ones that are stuck cold, okay? 7 00:00:56,723 --> 00:00:58,391 I just love gymnastics. 8 00:00:59,059 --> 00:01:00,894 I love the drive that it gives me. 9 00:01:06,357 --> 00:01:08,610 Carly, try not to stagger. 10 00:01:08,693 --> 00:01:11,488 It teaches you to be strong, independent. 11 00:01:17,035 --> 00:01:19,329 - Yep. Sorry. - It's okay. 12 00:01:19,871 --> 00:01:22,874 Being able to fly through the air and do the things we do, 13 00:01:22,957 --> 00:01:26,211 it's just so thrilling, and you get that adrenaline rush and... 14 00:01:26,294 --> 00:01:27,629 You can't even explain it. 15 00:01:34,677 --> 00:01:37,972 Maggie! Come on, Maggie! Go, Maggie! 16 00:01:40,934 --> 00:01:41,934 Yeah! 17 00:01:42,977 --> 00:01:45,177 I started gymnastics when I was three years old 18 00:01:45,230 --> 00:01:47,273 because I was always climbing out of my crib 19 00:01:47,357 --> 00:01:49,901 and climbing on the furniture and everything, so 20 00:01:49,984 --> 00:01:52,821 my parents put me in it, just be in a safer environment 21 00:01:53,238 --> 00:01:55,782 where there's mats and coaches and stuff like that. 22 00:01:57,242 --> 00:02:00,286 I liked the sport. I mean, I did it in high school. 23 00:02:00,370 --> 00:02:02,914 I always watched it on TV, and I loved it. 24 00:02:03,748 --> 00:02:07,544 And so I had this little girl, after three sons, and I put her in it. 25 00:02:07,627 --> 00:02:09,504 So, yes, as a preschooler. 26 00:02:10,588 --> 00:02:13,091 Right away, the coaches picked up on her. 27 00:02:13,174 --> 00:02:16,094 They nabbed her up as a little girl, like in second grade. 28 00:02:16,928 --> 00:02:20,807 I mean, she was the only ten-year-old in the country that competed at Nationals. 29 00:02:22,267 --> 00:02:25,770 You know, somebody drove her to the gym, maybe 45 minutes from here. 30 00:02:25,854 --> 00:02:27,772 Come back, maybe go back to work, 31 00:02:27,856 --> 00:02:29,941 pick up Maggie at the gym. 32 00:02:30,650 --> 00:02:33,153 That was every day for years and years and years. 33 00:02:34,070 --> 00:02:39,409 Here's Maggie Nichols, Level 10 junior from Twin City Twisters. 34 00:02:39,492 --> 00:02:42,120 The goal was to try to be an elite gymnast 35 00:02:42,203 --> 00:02:43,788 and to make the national team. 36 00:02:43,872 --> 00:02:46,833 Did online school as well, so I could train more in the gym. 37 00:02:46,916 --> 00:02:49,627 And this is probably one of my favorite leos. Um. 38 00:02:50,044 --> 00:02:51,254 I love the white. 39 00:02:51,337 --> 00:02:55,425 Like, I don't know what it is, but if it has white on it, I just... I just love it. 40 00:02:55,508 --> 00:02:56,885 I don't know why. 41 00:03:01,472 --> 00:03:04,350 If you wanted to take the next step to make national team, 42 00:03:04,434 --> 00:03:07,270 you need to be very strong, because gymnastics would be like 43 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,481 you know, almost your whole life. I mean, it was almost my whole life. 44 00:03:11,191 --> 00:03:12,692 You give up almost everything. 45 00:03:13,610 --> 00:03:17,864 Now on balance beam for Twin City Twisters, Maggie Nichols! 46 00:03:18,448 --> 00:03:20,617 When I asked you who impressed you, 47 00:03:20,700 --> 00:03:23,578 in terms of who's coming up after Simone Biles, 48 00:03:23,661 --> 00:03:25,663 you said Maggie Nichols was one. 49 00:03:25,747 --> 00:03:27,832 Talking to her earlier this week, 50 00:03:27,916 --> 00:03:30,418 she said she finally feels like she's in the mix. 51 00:03:47,227 --> 00:03:51,356 USA Gymnastics took Maggie's Olympic dream away from her. 52 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:58,071 It was just so hurtful and so painful. Everything that happened. 53 00:04:01,366 --> 00:04:04,452 We have fairly good ideas on 54 00:04:05,286 --> 00:04:06,829 what actually happened. 55 00:04:07,497 --> 00:04:08,748 Evidence, I would say. 56 00:04:11,584 --> 00:04:14,587 So you're watching justice happen in slow motion? 57 00:04:14,671 --> 00:04:16,673 Well, hopefully justice. 58 00:04:16,756 --> 00:04:18,007 Hopefully justice. 59 00:04:39,028 --> 00:04:41,489 When we started reporting on the initial story, 60 00:04:42,115 --> 00:04:45,076 this was really the most explosive story 61 00:04:45,159 --> 00:04:49,289 that the USA Today Network has had in several years. 62 00:04:49,789 --> 00:04:52,709 Yet it was coming out of the sticks, you know? 63 00:04:52,792 --> 00:04:55,461 It was coming out of a small little newsroom. 64 00:04:56,754 --> 00:04:57,922 Okay, what do we got? 65 00:04:59,924 --> 00:05:03,761 Um, one of our sources who runs the popular blog... 66 00:05:03,845 --> 00:05:08,308 Like everyone, I'd watch gymnastics during the Olympics, 67 00:05:08,391 --> 00:05:12,937 and I had witnessed some of the stars, you know, over the years. 68 00:05:14,022 --> 00:05:17,775 USA Gymnastics was an organization in this town, 69 00:05:17,859 --> 00:05:22,071 but I really didn't know a lot about what was going on behind the scenes. 70 00:05:22,155 --> 00:05:27,452 So, you know, what that culture was like was new to me and, uh, 71 00:05:27,952 --> 00:05:30,121 and we sort of were plunged into it. 72 00:05:37,378 --> 00:05:40,923 Every four years, it's our time to shine. 73 00:05:42,091 --> 00:05:43,343 Our moment. 74 00:05:43,426 --> 00:05:45,428 When the toughest sport in the world 75 00:05:45,511 --> 00:05:48,639 takes its rightful place on the world's biggest stage. 76 00:05:50,391 --> 00:05:53,227 The moment when the brightest spotlight shines 77 00:05:53,311 --> 00:05:56,647 on the best athletes these United States have to offer. 78 00:05:58,066 --> 00:05:59,817 Every four years 79 00:06:00,401 --> 00:06:02,695 starts right now. 80 00:06:05,448 --> 00:06:09,035 It is one of the most in-demand events at the Olympics, 81 00:06:09,118 --> 00:06:10,703 and it could be historic. 82 00:06:11,287 --> 00:06:13,790 In 1996, there was a Magnificent Seven. 83 00:06:14,791 --> 00:06:17,210 In 2012, a Fierce Five. 84 00:06:17,293 --> 00:06:21,714 This group will make a name for themselves tonight one way or the other. 85 00:06:26,010 --> 00:06:28,638 As the Summer Olympics gets underway in Rio, 86 00:06:28,721 --> 00:06:31,349 an IndyStar USA Today Network investigation 87 00:06:31,432 --> 00:06:35,395 unveils a possible sexual abuse scandal at USA Gymnastics. 88 00:06:35,478 --> 00:06:40,108 It alleges the organization has a policy that may have harmed child athletes. 89 00:06:41,818 --> 00:06:43,736 I had been working on an investigation 90 00:06:43,820 --> 00:06:46,239 into failure to report sexual abuse in schools. 91 00:06:46,322 --> 00:06:48,991 We'd had a number of local cases in Indiana. 92 00:06:49,075 --> 00:06:51,411 And so, as I was looking at a broader piece on, 93 00:06:51,494 --> 00:06:53,371 why does this seem to keep happening? 94 00:06:53,454 --> 00:06:57,458 Why do people not report as they're required to do? 95 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,378 A source suggested that I look at USA Gymnastics 96 00:07:00,461 --> 00:07:02,839 and how they handle sexual abuse allegations. 97 00:07:04,424 --> 00:07:07,009 And that source pointed me toward a lawsuit 98 00:07:07,093 --> 00:07:09,679 involving a predatory coach 99 00:07:10,346 --> 00:07:12,974 who had moved from gym to gym to gym, 100 00:07:13,057 --> 00:07:15,143 despite warning signs about his conduct. 101 00:07:15,226 --> 00:07:17,645 You'll have to edit it just a bit. 102 00:07:18,396 --> 00:07:23,484 One coach was shown to have abused a young gymnast 103 00:07:23,568 --> 00:07:29,824 after USA Gymnastics had been warned about him years earlier. 104 00:07:30,825 --> 00:07:34,370 In the file, one complaint said, 105 00:07:34,454 --> 00:07:38,833 "This coach needs to be put in a cage before he rapes somebody." 106 00:07:40,042 --> 00:07:42,295 Uh, USA Gymnastics did nothing. 107 00:07:45,798 --> 00:07:48,176 As we were pursuing this investigation, 108 00:07:48,259 --> 00:07:50,678 we got access to these depositions 109 00:07:50,761 --> 00:07:54,140 with current and former high-ranking USA Gymnastics officials 110 00:07:54,223 --> 00:07:57,143 that described their policy for how they handled these allegations. 111 00:07:58,561 --> 00:08:02,482 Mr. Penny, uh, you are the president currently of USA Gymnastics? 112 00:08:02,565 --> 00:08:03,565 Yes. 113 00:08:04,442 --> 00:08:07,236 If you receive a complaint of sexual misconduct, 114 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:12,533 whether it be by a professional member or anyone that has a membership with USAG, 115 00:08:12,617 --> 00:08:14,827 do you turn it over to local authorities? 116 00:08:15,661 --> 00:08:16,496 No. 117 00:08:16,579 --> 00:08:17,579 Okay. 118 00:08:18,122 --> 00:08:20,583 We don't turn over a complaint. 119 00:08:32,803 --> 00:08:36,057 For the first time, it showed USA Gymnastics had a policy 120 00:08:36,140 --> 00:08:38,893 of not reporting all allegations to authorities. 121 00:08:38,976 --> 00:08:41,521 That they would dismiss allegations as hearsay 122 00:08:41,604 --> 00:08:44,690 unless they were signed by a victim, a victim's parent, 123 00:08:44,774 --> 00:08:46,609 or an eyewitness to the abuse. 124 00:08:50,821 --> 00:08:56,035 And we found USA Gymnastics had sexual abuse complaint files 125 00:08:56,118 --> 00:08:58,120 on 54 coaches. 126 00:08:59,038 --> 00:09:01,999 And if there was no signed statement 127 00:09:02,083 --> 00:09:06,546 by the victim or the victim's parent, they just tucked it in a folder 128 00:09:06,629 --> 00:09:09,674 and stuffed it in Steve Penny's filing cabinet. 129 00:09:10,299 --> 00:09:13,928 And then those coaches went on to molest other children. 130 00:09:36,284 --> 00:09:38,869 Get the gold medals ready again. 131 00:09:39,495 --> 00:09:42,915 That is an Olympic gold medal-winning moment. 132 00:10:03,227 --> 00:10:05,354 As athletes are gathering in Rio, 133 00:10:05,438 --> 00:10:07,815 a stunning report from The Indianapolis Star 134 00:10:07,898 --> 00:10:10,943 and USA Today Network dominated this day. 135 00:10:11,027 --> 00:10:14,196 The paper is reporting that, on multiple occasions, 136 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:18,784 USA Gymnastics compiled complaints of coaches accused of sexual misconduct 137 00:10:18,868 --> 00:10:21,746 but refused to share the information with police, 138 00:10:21,829 --> 00:10:24,040 most often dismissing it as hearsay, 139 00:10:24,123 --> 00:10:26,375 because the complaints were not made by the victims, 140 00:10:26,459 --> 00:10:28,419 those young athletes, or their parents. 141 00:10:28,502 --> 00:10:32,632 In a statement, Steve Penny, the president of USA Gymnastics, 142 00:10:32,715 --> 00:10:37,345 said the organization is quote, "Committed to promoting a safe environment," 143 00:10:37,928 --> 00:10:42,350 and noted quote, "We feel The Star left out significant facts 144 00:10:42,433 --> 00:10:44,852 that would have painted a more accurate picture." 145 00:10:49,106 --> 00:10:50,816 I was cleaning my kitchen, 146 00:10:50,900 --> 00:10:53,736 and I had two babies that were 13 months apart. 147 00:10:53,819 --> 00:10:55,363 And they were both fussy, 148 00:10:55,446 --> 00:10:57,907 and so I had my baby strapped to me. 149 00:10:57,990 --> 00:10:59,825 I was wearing her while I cleaned the kitchen. 150 00:10:59,909 --> 00:11:03,412 And I needed to make a shopping list, so I opened my computer 151 00:11:03,496 --> 00:11:04,705 and Facebook was up, 152 00:11:04,789 --> 00:11:08,501 and trending in the news section was the headline for the IndyStar article. 153 00:11:08,584 --> 00:11:10,836 It was a complete accident that I even saw it. 154 00:11:11,128 --> 00:11:13,381 But I clicked on it, and I read it right away. 155 00:11:13,464 --> 00:11:15,716 And the first thought was, "I was right." 156 00:11:16,550 --> 00:11:18,886 They've been burying sexual abuse. I was right. 157 00:11:19,345 --> 00:11:20,345 And this is it. 158 00:11:20,805 --> 00:11:21,805 Now's the time. 159 00:11:22,264 --> 00:11:25,101 "If it's ever going to come out, it's going to come out now." 160 00:11:33,150 --> 00:11:37,154 On the morning of publication of that first story 161 00:11:37,655 --> 00:11:41,492 we got an e-mail from Rachael Denhollander. 162 00:11:42,702 --> 00:11:47,248 And she wrote, "My abuse wasn't by a coach, 163 00:11:47,331 --> 00:11:50,000 but it was by a famous doctor. 164 00:11:50,084 --> 00:11:52,545 And if they're covering things up for the coaches, 165 00:11:52,628 --> 00:11:55,339 I think they would be covering it up for him." 166 00:11:55,423 --> 00:11:57,883 And that was the first time 167 00:11:57,967 --> 00:12:02,179 I had heard there could be something wrong with Larry Nassar. 168 00:12:05,725 --> 00:12:08,602 Hi, Mr. Alesia. My name is Jessica Howard. 169 00:12:09,478 --> 00:12:14,859 I just wanted to call you as a follow-up to your story. 170 00:12:14,942 --> 00:12:19,572 Um, I am very nervous about talking to you about it, but. 171 00:12:20,239 --> 00:12:21,615 I think it would help 172 00:12:22,408 --> 00:12:24,910 bring justice to a lot of the people 173 00:12:24,994 --> 00:12:28,706 who have been affected by USA Gymnastics and their policies. 174 00:12:28,789 --> 00:12:29,957 Thank you. Bye. 175 00:12:31,876 --> 00:12:32,877 When the 176 00:12:33,377 --> 00:12:35,838 story came out in 2016... 177 00:12:36,505 --> 00:12:38,883 Nassar just came back into my head. 178 00:12:40,259 --> 00:12:41,844 When something hits you like 179 00:12:43,053 --> 00:12:45,514 that realization that it was sexual abuse, 180 00:12:46,140 --> 00:12:49,185 and you haven't known, haven't thought about it 181 00:12:50,603 --> 00:12:51,771 it becomes, 182 00:12:53,481 --> 00:12:54,565 so real. 183 00:12:54,982 --> 00:12:56,400 Like it was yesterday. 184 00:12:56,484 --> 00:12:59,153 Like it just happened to you. Like you are 15. 185 00:13:04,241 --> 00:13:07,203 My head started kind of like spinning a little bit. 186 00:13:07,995 --> 00:13:10,873 I've never told anybody, but. 187 00:13:11,624 --> 00:13:13,083 I was like, "Wait a minute 188 00:13:14,418 --> 00:13:18,756 this doctor used to do very similar things to me." 189 00:13:21,091 --> 00:13:22,468 At that point, I was 190 00:13:23,010 --> 00:13:24,470 still scared, but. 191 00:13:24,970 --> 00:13:28,265 I was thinking, "If he is a pedophile", 192 00:13:29,016 --> 00:13:30,016 and I 193 00:13:30,726 --> 00:13:34,146 "don't do something about it, I can't live with that." 194 00:13:36,148 --> 00:13:39,443 I was approached by Jamie Dantzscher, 195 00:13:39,527 --> 00:13:41,028 who was a 2000 Olympian. 196 00:13:41,529 --> 00:13:43,113 And she told me 197 00:13:43,197 --> 00:13:44,865 the story about this. Dr. Nassar, 198 00:13:44,949 --> 00:13:47,618 and she felt like he had sexually assaulted her. 199 00:13:48,244 --> 00:13:49,244 I believed her. 200 00:13:50,371 --> 00:13:53,916 After I agreed to take her case, I called The Indianapolis Star. 201 00:13:53,999 --> 00:13:55,584 And I said, "Great article. 202 00:13:55,668 --> 00:13:58,671 By the way, have you ever heard of a guy named Larry Nassar?" 203 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:01,882 I... I was stunned. 204 00:14:01,966 --> 00:14:05,719 I mean, I just thought, "Now this is... Now we're talking three people." 205 00:14:06,220 --> 00:14:08,264 And these women didn't know each other. 206 00:14:08,806 --> 00:14:10,266 How many more could there be? 207 00:14:22,361 --> 00:14:23,779 Oh, golly. 208 00:14:23,863 --> 00:14:26,615 - Oh, dear. Oh, dear. Oh, dear. - Oh, God. 209 00:14:26,949 --> 00:14:29,159 - Oh, no. - Medical? 210 00:14:30,578 --> 00:14:32,621 Shh-shh-shh. Easy. Easy, easy, easy. 211 00:14:32,705 --> 00:14:36,208 You can obviously see the shaking of the head, the resignation. 212 00:14:36,292 --> 00:14:39,420 Everybody knows this goes with the territory, and they hate it. 213 00:14:40,254 --> 00:14:44,842 Medical staff. Dr. Larry Nassar on the floor. 214 00:14:44,925 --> 00:14:46,594 He keeps these women together. 215 00:14:54,727 --> 00:14:56,896 Larry Nassar had been the team doctor 216 00:14:56,979 --> 00:15:00,149 for USA Gymnastics' women's program for 29 years. 217 00:15:00,608 --> 00:15:03,819 He was also a Michigan State University doctor at the time. 218 00:15:03,903 --> 00:15:06,822 So he was this prominent member of the community 219 00:15:07,406 --> 00:15:09,408 when we got these allegations about him. 220 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:12,786 Hello and welcome to GymnasticsDoctor.com. 221 00:15:12,870 --> 00:15:16,582 This is part of the sports medicine tender teaching moments. 222 00:15:16,665 --> 00:15:18,167 I call these TTX. 223 00:15:18,250 --> 00:15:19,418 Over and over and over. 224 00:15:19,501 --> 00:15:21,003 Around and around and around. 225 00:15:21,086 --> 00:15:22,713 It's amazing, the number of treatments 226 00:15:22,796 --> 00:15:25,007 that these kids will get to keep them healthy enough 227 00:15:25,090 --> 00:15:27,635 to sustain them at the World Championship level, 228 00:15:27,718 --> 00:15:29,595 Olympic Championship level that they are. 229 00:15:29,678 --> 00:15:31,847 Um, we'll treat them before practice. 230 00:15:31,931 --> 00:15:35,267 We treat them after practice, then we treat them before the second practice. 231 00:15:35,351 --> 00:15:37,871 There are two a day. We're there for the entire second practice. 232 00:15:37,895 --> 00:15:40,147 Then we treat them to the point that they go to bed. 233 00:15:40,230 --> 00:15:42,030 So we usually see them at seven in the morning 234 00:15:42,066 --> 00:15:43,525 and get done at ten at night. 235 00:15:49,782 --> 00:15:53,118 In medical school, he worked as a trainer. He rose up as a volunteer. 236 00:15:53,202 --> 00:15:55,621 And then, when he got on the staff at Michigan State, 237 00:15:55,704 --> 00:15:58,123 part of his requirement was to do community work. 238 00:15:59,750 --> 00:16:02,294 He started a foundation for autistic children. 239 00:16:03,379 --> 00:16:06,423 And he seemed like this larger-than-life, um, 240 00:16:06,507 --> 00:16:08,092 better-than-real person. 241 00:16:09,343 --> 00:16:11,762 Okay, let's see what else you guys have 242 00:16:12,846 --> 00:16:14,306 discovered down here. 243 00:16:15,432 --> 00:16:18,477 We very quickly started putting together a story, 244 00:16:18,978 --> 00:16:21,897 and we split up those sources. 245 00:16:23,148 --> 00:16:29,279 So Marisa flew out to California and, uh, met with John Manly and Jamie Dantzscher. 246 00:16:31,448 --> 00:16:34,535 Jessica Howard, at that time, had spoken to us, 247 00:16:34,618 --> 00:16:38,956 but was not ready to be included in the story, even as a Jane Doe. 248 00:16:39,039 --> 00:16:41,917 But her story helped us have confidence, 249 00:16:42,001 --> 00:16:44,837 because it corroborated everything we'd heard from Jamie 250 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:46,338 and we'd heard from Rachael. 251 00:16:49,049 --> 00:16:51,135 I happened to get Rachael's tip. 252 00:16:52,678 --> 00:16:56,890 And she said it would be fine to do an interview on camera, on the record, 253 00:16:56,974 --> 00:16:57,974 with her name 254 00:16:58,475 --> 00:16:59,475 in her home. 255 00:17:01,437 --> 00:17:04,565 Tell me more about why now, why 256 00:17:04,648 --> 00:17:09,445 you know, why... why you're willing to be brave enough to talk with me. 257 00:17:10,279 --> 00:17:13,365 Um, I didn't know a lot when I was 15, 258 00:17:13,449 --> 00:17:16,827 but one thing I did know was that abuse victims aren't treated well. 259 00:17:17,453 --> 00:17:22,249 They are mocked. They are questioned. They are blamed. They are shamed. 260 00:17:22,708 --> 00:17:27,212 Um, and that does incredible damage to the healing process. 261 00:17:27,296 --> 00:17:29,631 I wish I could have dealt with it 16 years ago. 262 00:17:30,299 --> 00:17:32,426 I don't think I could have, but I can now. 263 00:17:37,431 --> 00:17:39,058 I was very much a perfectionist, 264 00:17:39,141 --> 00:17:41,894 and that's what attracted me to the sport of gymnastics, 265 00:17:41,977 --> 00:17:43,812 was the perfection that it required. 266 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:46,732 But my family wasn't able to afford gym fees, 267 00:17:46,815 --> 00:17:48,901 so I didn't start until I was almost 12. 268 00:17:49,401 --> 00:17:50,881 Because, at that point, I could work, 269 00:17:50,944 --> 00:17:55,699 and my siblings helped me clean the gym, and my mom worked to pay for my gym fees. 270 00:17:56,909 --> 00:18:01,163 But I was five-four when I started. Way too tall, long torso, wrong body type. 271 00:18:01,830 --> 00:18:05,501 So I only competed at the club level and a low club level at that. 272 00:18:05,584 --> 00:18:07,211 So I only competed in Michigan. 273 00:18:07,294 --> 00:18:09,671 I did it because I loved it. I was not any good. 274 00:18:13,217 --> 00:18:15,427 I told my parents I wanted to do gymnastics 275 00:18:15,511 --> 00:18:16,887 when I was three years old. 276 00:18:17,471 --> 00:18:19,264 'Cause I saw it on TV and. 277 00:18:20,015 --> 00:18:22,518 I just saw these girls 278 00:18:23,018 --> 00:18:26,438 flipping and twisting and flying. 279 00:18:27,564 --> 00:18:30,567 And I just... I wanted to be able to do that. 280 00:18:32,861 --> 00:18:36,115 It was like my first love. I loved everything about it. 281 00:18:37,699 --> 00:18:39,535 I was crazy. I look back now, 282 00:18:39,618 --> 00:18:44,748 and I was chucking triple-backs off a mini trampoline into the pit. 283 00:18:44,832 --> 00:18:46,792 And I was... I was only nine years old. 284 00:18:47,292 --> 00:18:49,253 I had no idea how talented I was. 285 00:18:49,336 --> 00:18:51,547 I was just... I was just having a good time. 286 00:18:52,923 --> 00:18:55,259 This is 15-year-old Jamie Dantzscher, 287 00:18:55,342 --> 00:18:58,095 who's making a move tonight after a fine beam routine. 288 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:05,769 I trained with Beth and Steve Rybacki 289 00:19:05,853 --> 00:19:08,522 at Gliders Gymnastics from 290 00:19:09,273 --> 00:19:11,275 eleven to 18 years old. 291 00:19:12,192 --> 00:19:15,445 I went from training about 18 hours a week 292 00:19:16,113 --> 00:19:18,115 to about 30 to 35. 293 00:19:18,991 --> 00:19:20,367 At that time, I was like, 294 00:19:20,450 --> 00:19:23,579 "Yes, I get to be in the gym more and train more." 295 00:19:23,662 --> 00:19:25,414 Like, I couldn't get enough of it. 296 00:19:26,665 --> 00:19:31,128 Anything they said it would take to get to the Olympics, 297 00:19:31,211 --> 00:19:33,213 I was going to do. 298 00:19:36,383 --> 00:19:37,383 Come on, Jamie. 299 00:19:41,430 --> 00:19:44,308 I remember having stone bruises on my heels. 300 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:47,102 I couldn't even, like, walk on the carpet. 301 00:19:48,270 --> 00:19:51,899 I mean, I had broken toes I competed on and trained on, 302 00:19:51,982 --> 00:19:54,151 a fractured back I actually competed on. 303 00:19:56,069 --> 00:19:58,947 Oh! Bela's gonna love that one! 304 00:20:01,617 --> 00:20:04,953 But yet, it was like every time I had an injury, I wasn't believed. 305 00:20:07,372 --> 00:20:11,126 You can see Bela Karolyi back there. He seems to always be back there. 306 00:20:13,337 --> 00:20:14,963 As far as weight. 307 00:20:15,631 --> 00:20:17,007 I remember I had the flu. 308 00:20:17,090 --> 00:20:19,635 I was literally throwing up for five days straight. 309 00:20:19,718 --> 00:20:21,637 And I remember getting weighed, 310 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:25,682 and I'd lost, I think, like six pounds from being sick. 311 00:20:26,225 --> 00:20:27,225 And 312 00:20:27,559 --> 00:20:30,145 I remember Beth telling me 313 00:20:31,230 --> 00:20:32,981 you know, "You lost six pounds. 314 00:20:33,065 --> 00:20:35,234 Now we've got to figure out how to keep it off." 315 00:20:36,693 --> 00:20:41,323 And to hear they don't care how you do it had a huge effect on me. 316 00:20:44,451 --> 00:20:47,329 I mean, back then, I didn't even think of it as abuse. 317 00:20:50,582 --> 00:20:51,582 That's kind of... 318 00:20:53,961 --> 00:20:55,587 It's still psychological for me, 319 00:20:55,671 --> 00:20:58,215 'cause I almost still feel bad for even 320 00:20:59,341 --> 00:21:00,259 saying the truth. 321 00:21:00,342 --> 00:21:01,342 Like I almost... 322 00:21:01,885 --> 00:21:06,181 Like I hate this sentence, but I actually, like, looked forward to treatment. 323 00:21:07,391 --> 00:21:10,143 And... Because Larry was 324 00:21:13,855 --> 00:21:15,816 the only nice adult. 325 00:21:15,899 --> 00:21:18,610 He's really the only nice adult I could remember 326 00:21:19,611 --> 00:21:20,611 being 327 00:21:21,947 --> 00:21:24,366 a part of USA Gymnastics staff. 328 00:21:28,328 --> 00:21:29,454 He was really the only 329 00:21:31,498 --> 00:21:33,375 nice adult there. 330 00:21:56,023 --> 00:21:57,023 Yeah. 331 00:21:58,233 --> 00:21:59,233 That's it. 332 00:22:00,444 --> 00:22:04,406 So when I was, like, 13, that's when I qualified for elite gymnastics. 333 00:22:04,489 --> 00:22:08,410 And when I was 15, I finally made the national team. 334 00:22:18,378 --> 00:22:21,256 If she keeps this up, she has a great shot 335 00:22:21,340 --> 00:22:23,675 to make that Olympic team next year. 336 00:22:23,759 --> 00:22:25,677 She's still right in the hunt 337 00:22:26,511 --> 00:22:28,055 to come second to Simone. 338 00:22:30,932 --> 00:22:33,477 The national team camp was in Texas. 339 00:22:34,061 --> 00:22:36,688 And Martha and Bela Karolyi owned it. 340 00:22:37,564 --> 00:22:40,025 Martha would walk out of her office, and we'd all 341 00:22:40,108 --> 00:22:42,486 go like this and go shortest to tallest in a line. 342 00:22:43,653 --> 00:22:45,697 We trained about seven hours a day. 343 00:22:46,323 --> 00:22:48,241 And they ranked us from top to bottom. 344 00:22:48,909 --> 00:22:50,494 We just had so many eyes on us. 345 00:22:50,577 --> 00:22:54,289 National staff, our own home coaches, other athletes. 346 00:22:54,373 --> 00:22:56,041 So it was pretty intense. 347 00:22:57,417 --> 00:23:00,253 I remember Maggie saying that it was really scary, 348 00:23:01,004 --> 00:23:02,631 and they were very strict. 349 00:23:02,714 --> 00:23:03,840 But it was an honor. 350 00:23:03,924 --> 00:23:05,884 That's where the Olympic athletes come from. 351 00:23:05,967 --> 00:23:08,637 You get on that team, and now you have a shot. 352 00:23:13,517 --> 00:23:16,728 The parents were never allowed to go to the ranch. 353 00:23:18,522 --> 00:23:20,607 I could hardly ever talk to her when she was there 354 00:23:20,690 --> 00:23:22,776 because they didn't have cell phone reception. 355 00:23:24,528 --> 00:23:29,199 It was a strict way to make them stronger, 356 00:23:29,699 --> 00:23:31,660 and better for their sport. 357 00:23:33,203 --> 00:23:37,999 And so we had to, you know, trust and believe in... in their system. 358 00:23:40,001 --> 00:23:42,170 You know, you would think they'd be able to keep, 359 00:23:42,546 --> 00:23:44,881 you know, people safe. Especially when we're 360 00:23:45,424 --> 00:23:48,093 not allowed to set foot on the property. 361 00:23:49,094 --> 00:23:50,846 But I knew nothing about Nassar. 362 00:23:51,471 --> 00:23:53,640 I never even thought to ask those questions, 363 00:23:53,723 --> 00:23:55,559 because I didn't even know he was there. 364 00:24:00,981 --> 00:24:05,944 In 2015, Larry was doing treatments for my back. 365 00:24:07,112 --> 00:24:09,406 And there's this room called the back room 366 00:24:09,489 --> 00:24:12,492 where we, like, watched TV and got massages and stuff. 367 00:24:12,993 --> 00:24:14,828 Um, he would just do it right there. 368 00:24:15,328 --> 00:24:17,539 And I was just, like, kind of, like, confused 369 00:24:17,622 --> 00:24:19,749 and, like, wondering what it was. 370 00:24:19,833 --> 00:24:20,959 It didn't seem right. 371 00:24:21,293 --> 00:24:24,296 Um, because I grew up always going to physical therapy and stuff, 372 00:24:24,379 --> 00:24:26,339 because I had many injuries growing up, 373 00:24:26,423 --> 00:24:28,633 um, and I'd never experienced anything like that. 374 00:24:28,717 --> 00:24:30,302 So I thought I'd ask Aly just 'cause. 375 00:24:30,802 --> 00:24:33,847 I mean, we were really close friends, and she was older, too, 376 00:24:33,930 --> 00:24:36,975 and has been to national team camps and has worked with him before. 377 00:24:37,058 --> 00:24:40,896 So I kind of just asked her. I was like, "Does he do this to you? Is this normal?" 378 00:24:40,979 --> 00:24:43,523 And she said, "Yeah, like, he does it to me, too." 379 00:24:48,069 --> 00:24:51,198 Maggie's coach, Sarah Jantzi, called me up, and she said, 380 00:24:51,281 --> 00:24:55,076 "I want to let you know that I overheard from Maggie and another athlete" 381 00:24:55,619 --> 00:24:57,704 that Larry Nassar was touching her funny, 382 00:24:57,787 --> 00:25:01,333 and Maggie told her he was, you know, touching her private parts. 383 00:25:01,416 --> 00:25:04,878 "He was putting his hands in her vagina, and he was fingering her." 384 00:25:04,961 --> 00:25:05,961 And I'm like... 385 00:25:06,379 --> 00:25:07,422 "What?" 386 00:25:09,883 --> 00:25:11,683 And I said, "We need to call the authorities." 387 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,762 And she said, "Yeah, I'm gonna call Rhonda Faehn, 388 00:25:13,845 --> 00:25:17,182 "who is in charge of the women's program, right away." So she did. 389 00:25:18,517 --> 00:25:21,436 And then, the next day, Steve Penny called me. 390 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,438 I've never spoken to him personally. 391 00:25:23,522 --> 00:25:24,814 All he said was, 392 00:25:24,898 --> 00:25:26,566 "I hear you have a concern." 393 00:25:27,192 --> 00:25:28,568 I said, "A concern?" 394 00:25:29,236 --> 00:25:32,030 I have... This is... My daughter was molested. 395 00:25:32,531 --> 00:25:34,199 "We need to call the authorities." 396 00:25:34,282 --> 00:25:37,786 He said, "No, no, no, don't worry about that. I will take care of that. 397 00:25:37,869 --> 00:25:41,164 USA Gymnastics will take care of calling the police." 398 00:25:42,707 --> 00:25:45,919 Three or four weeks later, Steve Penny calls me again, 399 00:25:46,002 --> 00:25:49,714 and he says, "Well, now, we want you to talk to an investigator. 400 00:25:49,798 --> 00:25:51,216 Her name is Fran Sepler." 401 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,595 I thought "Well, maybe this is what they do with child sexual abuse cases." 402 00:25:55,679 --> 00:25:58,181 I'd never been involved with one, so I didn't know. 403 00:25:58,265 --> 00:26:00,642 You know, at competitions, following 404 00:26:01,142 --> 00:26:02,727 you know, Maggie's reporting 405 00:26:03,270 --> 00:26:05,397 Steve Penny would always tell me 406 00:26:06,022 --> 00:26:07,691 that, "Don't worry about Maggie. 407 00:26:08,525 --> 00:26:11,903 We'll take care of Maggie. Don't worry about Maggie. We got Maggie." 408 00:26:12,404 --> 00:26:14,406 So why would I not believe him? 409 00:26:14,864 --> 00:26:18,535 You know, we're talking USA Gymnastics. 410 00:26:18,618 --> 00:26:20,537 We're talking US Olympics. 411 00:26:29,754 --> 00:26:31,840 Can you hear us all right? 412 00:26:31,923 --> 00:26:34,342 - I can. Can you hear me? - Yeah, we've got you on speaker, 413 00:26:34,426 --> 00:26:36,928 - so if it's weird, let us know. - Okay. 414 00:26:37,721 --> 00:26:40,390 So... This is Steve Berta. 415 00:26:40,473 --> 00:26:44,811 When you were active in gymnastics, were there coaches, 416 00:26:44,894 --> 00:26:50,066 or other officials like Nassar, who the girls were suspicious of 417 00:26:50,150 --> 00:26:53,445 or talked about as being abusive? 418 00:26:54,070 --> 00:26:55,196 Yes, absolutely. 419 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,824 There were sexual predators everywhere. 420 00:26:57,907 --> 00:26:59,075 They were in my gym. 421 00:26:59,159 --> 00:27:03,872 The national team coach, Don Peters, was a known sexual abuser. 422 00:27:04,414 --> 00:27:07,626 They were everywhere across the country, and we knew who they were. 423 00:27:08,209 --> 00:27:13,298 Uh, but, more broadly, emotional and physical abuse was actually the norm, 424 00:27:13,381 --> 00:27:16,384 and we were all so beaten down by that 425 00:27:17,052 --> 00:27:19,346 um, and made so obedient 426 00:27:19,429 --> 00:27:24,893 that, when we knew that there was a sexual abuser in our midst, 427 00:27:24,976 --> 00:27:27,437 we would never say anything. We were just... 428 00:27:28,605 --> 00:27:30,315 We felt utterly powerless. 429 00:27:34,110 --> 00:27:37,822 Now watch her face after this tumbling pass. She's hurt her ankle. 430 00:27:37,906 --> 00:27:40,116 Do you see that little grimace? It hurts her. 431 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,952 But she must go on here, the title at stake. 432 00:27:43,578 --> 00:27:46,706 The courage of Jennifer Sey led her on to the title 433 00:27:46,790 --> 00:27:50,335 as women's all-around champion of the USA, 434 00:27:50,418 --> 00:27:52,504 but the pain was a heavy price. 435 00:27:54,756 --> 00:27:57,258 I started the sport in the mid-'70s. 436 00:27:57,884 --> 00:28:01,471 And, I would say, the standard methodology 437 00:28:01,554 --> 00:28:05,392 of coaching in elite gymnastics was cruelty. 438 00:28:05,475 --> 00:28:07,185 That was the accepted methodology. 439 00:28:07,519 --> 00:28:09,354 You could be as cruel as you needed to be 440 00:28:09,437 --> 00:28:11,564 to get what you needed out of your athlete. 441 00:28:12,023 --> 00:28:13,525 Um, so this is not new. 442 00:28:13,608 --> 00:28:16,653 We just weren't good at it. We weren't getting great results. 443 00:28:16,736 --> 00:28:18,196 We were getting okay results. 444 00:28:22,659 --> 00:28:25,078 Bela and Martha Karolyi, husband and wife, 445 00:28:25,161 --> 00:28:26,871 and what a coaching team they are. 446 00:28:27,747 --> 00:28:32,085 And then Bela and Martha Karolyi came here, and they 447 00:28:32,585 --> 00:28:35,296 validated that approach. 448 00:28:36,756 --> 00:28:40,009 If success is winning, you know, medals in the Olympics, 449 00:28:40,093 --> 00:28:43,680 then, you know, they proved that that methodology was successful 450 00:28:43,763 --> 00:28:45,682 and was the right way to coach. 451 00:28:46,725 --> 00:28:50,270 People know the Karolyis, but I'm not sure many of them really know their history. 452 00:28:52,063 --> 00:28:55,400 Chris, this could be the highlight of the compulsory event. 453 00:28:55,483 --> 00:29:00,196 She is one of the technically strongest, best gymnasts that I've ever seen. 454 00:29:01,197 --> 00:29:02,197 Watch this. 455 00:29:03,199 --> 00:29:05,493 Beautiful rhythm. Right to a handstand. 456 00:29:06,661 --> 00:29:08,371 Oh, look at that amplitude. 457 00:29:08,455 --> 00:29:09,581 Ooh! 458 00:29:10,165 --> 00:29:13,209 Faultless. Absolutely faultless. 459 00:29:14,335 --> 00:29:15,670 Nadia Comaneci. 460 00:29:16,045 --> 00:29:18,298 Now, what are the judges gonna say about that? 461 00:29:18,381 --> 00:29:19,591 There's the smile. 462 00:29:20,175 --> 00:29:22,177 Some cynics say it had to be trained 463 00:29:22,844 --> 00:29:24,345 because she so rarely smiles. 464 00:29:25,847 --> 00:29:30,101 They were Nicolae Ceausescu's chosen coaches 465 00:29:30,185 --> 00:29:32,312 for the Romanian national gymnastics team. 466 00:29:32,812 --> 00:29:36,191 And they coached Nadia Comaneci to a gold medal in 1976. 467 00:29:41,404 --> 00:29:44,991 If you look back at teams from the '50s and the '60s, 468 00:29:45,074 --> 00:29:46,493 they look like grown women. 469 00:29:46,576 --> 00:29:47,744 They are grown women. 470 00:29:49,746 --> 00:29:52,791 But that started to change in the late '60s, 471 00:29:52,874 --> 00:29:57,003 but really solidified in 1976 472 00:29:57,086 --> 00:30:00,423 when Nadia won the Olympics as a 14-year-old. 473 00:30:01,341 --> 00:30:06,095 And there was just this mad rush of little girls that wanted to do gymnastics, 474 00:30:06,179 --> 00:30:08,097 'cause we related to her. 475 00:30:08,181 --> 00:30:14,103 And what emerged was an aesthetic that was very, very young. Childlike. 476 00:30:14,854 --> 00:30:18,399 And so it created a really dangerous environment, 477 00:30:18,483 --> 00:30:21,528 because eating disorders became very prevalent. 478 00:30:21,611 --> 00:30:23,404 You know, delaying menstruation 479 00:30:23,488 --> 00:30:25,281 and delaying maturation. 480 00:30:26,115 --> 00:30:29,118 But I think people really believed 481 00:30:29,202 --> 00:30:33,706 that, for the more difficult skills to be performed, you had to be tiny. 482 00:30:34,749 --> 00:30:36,709 There's also the benefit of the coaches 483 00:30:36,793 --> 00:30:38,920 having more control when the girls are younger. 484 00:30:46,553 --> 00:30:48,263 What's important for people to know 485 00:30:48,930 --> 00:30:52,225 is that Nicolae Ceausescu and his regime 486 00:30:52,809 --> 00:30:57,230 was arguably the most repressive regime in the Eastern Bloc. 487 00:30:58,606 --> 00:31:02,610 And the Karolyis were part of that system. 488 00:31:08,491 --> 00:31:10,910 The Romanians started this idea 489 00:31:11,411 --> 00:31:14,622 of training gymnasts from a very young age. 490 00:31:16,791 --> 00:31:20,795 Like from six years old, they are selected from their kindergarten 491 00:31:20,879 --> 00:31:22,922 or elementary schools, 492 00:31:23,006 --> 00:31:24,257 and we tested them. 493 00:31:26,092 --> 00:31:29,679 Flexibility, strength and, uh, no fear. 494 00:31:29,762 --> 00:31:31,848 - No fear? - No fear, yes. No fear. 495 00:31:35,685 --> 00:31:38,313 We have to put this in the context of the Cold War. 496 00:31:39,230 --> 00:31:41,024 The Soviet Union or Romania, 497 00:31:41,107 --> 00:31:44,402 they could not say, "Okay, we build better products 498 00:31:44,485 --> 00:31:46,738 than the American side." 499 00:31:47,906 --> 00:31:49,490 But we can have Nadia Comaneci. 500 00:31:51,075 --> 00:31:53,077 Nadia was Romania's best product. 501 00:32:05,506 --> 00:32:10,386 1976, Nadia was definitely the one to be like at that point, 502 00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:13,514 and the Russians, the Romanians, the East Germans, 503 00:32:13,598 --> 00:32:16,517 all the, what we call the Communist Bloc, 504 00:32:16,601 --> 00:32:18,853 they were the best, by far, in the sport. 505 00:32:18,937 --> 00:32:22,732 And certainly, you always want to be like the ones who are winning. 506 00:32:24,067 --> 00:32:29,614 But we would be at competitions, and they always seemed very scared. 507 00:32:29,697 --> 00:32:30,907 The gymnasts did. 508 00:32:30,990 --> 00:32:32,784 And you never saw them talk, 509 00:32:32,867 --> 00:32:35,203 and they almost looked like robots. 510 00:32:35,787 --> 00:32:38,623 The... All I can say is the athletes 511 00:32:39,415 --> 00:32:41,918 did not look happy, ever. 512 00:32:44,545 --> 00:32:47,256 From the very beginning, Bela had this idea 513 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,010 that we will have total control over the girls 514 00:32:51,094 --> 00:32:52,428 absolute control. 515 00:32:53,554 --> 00:32:55,390 Bela was controlling their weight. 516 00:32:55,473 --> 00:32:58,518 They had to step every single day on a scale. 517 00:32:59,644 --> 00:33:02,146 He was yelling at them and putting them down. 518 00:33:02,981 --> 00:33:03,981 "Fat cow." 519 00:33:04,565 --> 00:33:05,733 "You are a pig." 520 00:33:06,442 --> 00:33:08,361 He, you know, slapped the girls, 521 00:33:08,444 --> 00:33:10,863 and the girls were very, very scared. 522 00:33:13,783 --> 00:33:16,369 Martha had this habit of grabbing their neck 523 00:33:16,452 --> 00:33:19,038 and get her fingers into their necks. 524 00:33:20,498 --> 00:33:22,625 Plus slap them, you know, a lot. 525 00:33:22,709 --> 00:33:28,715 The girls have the prints of the... her rings on their faces sometimes. 526 00:33:30,133 --> 00:33:31,893 Did you report it to the authorities? 527 00:33:31,968 --> 00:33:35,555 Yes, sure. I reported them, but also you have to understand 528 00:33:35,638 --> 00:33:39,684 that nobody took any kind of measures, you know, to stop them. 529 00:33:40,810 --> 00:33:43,563 In Romania, that was acceptable. 530 00:33:45,732 --> 00:33:49,694 When he heads for his ranch on a rural highway north of Houston, 531 00:33:49,777 --> 00:33:54,115 in his four-wheel drive with Merle Haggard on the dashboard cassette deck 532 00:33:54,198 --> 00:33:56,784 and a day's collection of bugs on the windshield 533 00:33:57,410 --> 00:34:00,496 well, you'd swear you were riding with a born Texan. 534 00:34:02,915 --> 00:34:07,253 When Bela Karolyi defected to the West, he defected to the West. 535 00:34:07,336 --> 00:34:10,673 Wee-hoo! Yip, yip! 536 00:34:12,425 --> 00:34:14,343 When we defected together 537 00:34:15,344 --> 00:34:18,556 we knew that United States has lots and lots of talent. 538 00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:21,559 We saw the talent in the international competitions. 539 00:34:22,602 --> 00:34:26,731 And we know that it's a very, very fertile soil 540 00:34:26,814 --> 00:34:28,232 for athletes in United States. 541 00:34:34,072 --> 00:34:38,659 I declare open the Olympic Games of Los Angeles. 542 00:34:48,211 --> 00:34:49,211 Mary Lou. 543 00:34:50,755 --> 00:34:52,173 Never better, okay? 544 00:34:53,049 --> 00:34:55,843 The best... the best what you can vault, all right? 545 00:34:59,764 --> 00:35:02,350 With Bela and Martha coming over here 546 00:35:03,226 --> 00:35:08,397 we copy, cut, paste their style, and now we're doing it in the US. 547 00:35:09,941 --> 00:35:12,652 We knew what their system was, 548 00:35:12,735 --> 00:35:14,946 but we also knew they won all the time. 549 00:35:37,552 --> 00:35:40,721 America loves a winner. And when a perky little bundle of energy 550 00:35:40,805 --> 00:35:44,725 from West Virginia named Mary Lou Retton took home the gold medal in gymnastics 551 00:35:44,809 --> 00:35:47,603 at the '84 Olympics, she became the national sweetheart. 552 00:35:48,354 --> 00:35:51,607 I was the president of USA Gymnastics in '84, 553 00:35:51,691 --> 00:35:55,236 and one of my goals was I wanted our property on all the networks. 554 00:35:55,778 --> 00:35:58,298 That was the most valuable thing we could do to build our brand, 555 00:35:58,364 --> 00:35:59,532 the image of our sport. 556 00:36:00,408 --> 00:36:03,411 And then, all of a sudden, gymnastics was earning 557 00:36:03,494 --> 00:36:06,664 almost $12 million a year in revenue in 1991. 558 00:36:07,874 --> 00:36:10,793 USA Gymnastics had a wholesome image, 559 00:36:10,877 --> 00:36:15,798 and they had companies who wanted to be attached to that image. 560 00:36:15,882 --> 00:36:21,012 And that image was vital, uh, to protect. 561 00:36:25,433 --> 00:36:27,714 What makes this sport so special are the athletes. 562 00:36:28,102 --> 00:36:31,063 I've never seen athletes that train as hard as these guys do 563 00:36:31,147 --> 00:36:33,900 and that are as intelligent and personable. 564 00:36:33,983 --> 00:36:35,943 I mean, it's just the complete package. 565 00:36:37,695 --> 00:36:40,656 Steve Penny was hired as vice president of marketing 566 00:36:40,740 --> 00:36:41,866 when they started out. 567 00:36:41,949 --> 00:36:45,661 He worked with television marketing, then he worked with USA Cycling. 568 00:36:47,330 --> 00:36:49,832 And, um, by the end of the '90s, 569 00:36:49,916 --> 00:36:53,377 the focus of USA Gymnastics just became raising money 570 00:36:54,045 --> 00:36:55,546 attracting sponsorships 571 00:36:55,630 --> 00:36:58,633 and, you know, making the best out of their Olympic athletes. 572 00:37:00,885 --> 00:37:05,932 Eventually, Steve Penny became the president of USA Gymnastics. 573 00:37:07,683 --> 00:37:12,063 So you had an organization that was run by a sports marketing expert. 574 00:37:12,647 --> 00:37:14,565 And, uh, that's what he cared about. 575 00:37:14,649 --> 00:37:17,401 He cared about marketing this brand. 576 00:37:17,485 --> 00:37:21,572 This is the image of Bela Karolyi the world has grown accustomed to seeing. 577 00:37:22,156 --> 00:37:24,033 The intense, relentless coach 578 00:37:24,116 --> 00:37:27,620 who now turns out championship gymnasts for the United States. 579 00:37:29,872 --> 00:37:33,084 You know, these children are all being advised by adults 580 00:37:33,167 --> 00:37:36,587 as to how they can realize their Olympic dream. 581 00:37:37,296 --> 00:37:43,094 So you're basically using that child's dream to build this brand. 582 00:37:44,887 --> 00:37:48,516 And they were so busy trying to sell that brand 583 00:37:49,517 --> 00:37:52,478 that they didn't have time for those girls. 584 00:37:54,522 --> 00:37:56,857 Right now, we turn to women's gymnastics 585 00:37:56,941 --> 00:37:59,735 and the United States, which has become a power in recent years, 586 00:37:59,819 --> 00:38:01,904 now looking to become the power. 587 00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:09,370 I remember watching the Olympics in my little apartment, um, in 1996. 588 00:38:10,579 --> 00:38:13,374 And Kerri Strug was vaulting. 589 00:38:14,375 --> 00:38:18,170 And it was viewed sort of as this heroic Olympic achievement, 590 00:38:18,254 --> 00:38:21,299 but I saw it differently at the time. 591 00:38:21,882 --> 00:38:26,220 So, Kerri Strug, if she can score 9.493 592 00:38:26,929 --> 00:38:29,390 then she will win the team gold, 593 00:38:30,016 --> 00:38:31,016 for the USA. 594 00:38:31,058 --> 00:38:33,769 She's the last to go. She's the only one who can do it. 595 00:38:38,357 --> 00:38:39,358 Oh! 596 00:38:40,693 --> 00:38:41,819 This is scary. 597 00:38:41,902 --> 00:38:43,070 She is limping. 598 00:38:43,154 --> 00:38:45,656 Here's the reaction of her parents. 599 00:38:47,325 --> 00:38:51,662 And she falls on the first vault, and she's clearly in a lot of pain. 600 00:38:51,746 --> 00:38:54,457 She's limping back to the other end of the runway. 601 00:38:55,124 --> 00:38:59,378 We learn afterwards that she had been competing on a severe injury. 602 00:38:59,462 --> 00:39:02,006 You can do it. You can do it. 603 00:39:02,715 --> 00:39:05,426 You get two vaults, and the highest score counts. 604 00:39:05,509 --> 00:39:07,887 And Team USA needed that second vault. 605 00:39:08,512 --> 00:39:09,512 All right. 606 00:39:10,222 --> 00:39:12,183 - Go. - Go! Go! 607 00:39:12,725 --> 00:39:15,019 Come on! Come on! 608 00:39:15,102 --> 00:39:18,314 And she does it. She lands the vault on one foot. 609 00:39:18,898 --> 00:39:20,232 Kerri Strug is hurt. 610 00:39:21,150 --> 00:39:23,527 And she literally crawls off the mat. 611 00:39:24,028 --> 00:39:25,738 She crawls away. 612 00:39:26,155 --> 00:39:27,865 Everyone in this place is... 613 00:39:27,948 --> 00:39:31,577 And Larry Nassar, at the time nobody knew, but is there. 614 00:39:34,246 --> 00:39:35,873 She's being carried off 615 00:39:36,415 --> 00:39:38,167 by two of the medical technicians. 616 00:39:40,002 --> 00:39:43,714 We have got to find out if she's... A 9.712! She has done it! 617 00:39:44,423 --> 00:39:48,010 Kerri Strug has won the gold medal for the United States team. 618 00:39:49,428 --> 00:39:51,639 The Russians are in tears. 619 00:39:55,351 --> 00:39:58,729 They got so close, and the Americans took it away from them. 620 00:40:01,315 --> 00:40:04,110 And Bela swept her up and carried her off. 621 00:40:06,237 --> 00:40:08,614 And everybody's cheering her on as this hero, 622 00:40:08,697 --> 00:40:12,785 and all I could think was, "Why are we celebrating this? 623 00:40:13,869 --> 00:40:15,704 Don't pretend she had a choice." 624 00:40:15,788 --> 00:40:17,081 Wave to the people. 625 00:40:18,457 --> 00:40:21,669 She was not gonna do anything but go do that vault. 626 00:40:22,503 --> 00:40:25,005 We love winners in this country. 627 00:40:25,089 --> 00:40:26,757 This is a competitive country. 628 00:40:26,841 --> 00:40:29,885 We consider ourselves the best in the world at everything. 629 00:40:30,761 --> 00:40:31,595 Right? 630 00:40:31,679 --> 00:40:36,142 But this notion that we would sacrifice our young to win. 631 00:40:37,184 --> 00:40:38,644 I think disgusts us a little. 632 00:40:38,727 --> 00:40:41,397 We would never have said that that was the case. 633 00:40:49,905 --> 00:40:52,450 You know, in other sports, the athletes are adults. 634 00:40:53,117 --> 00:40:56,203 They can reasonably make choices about what they want. 635 00:40:57,413 --> 00:41:00,166 I don't think that is true in gymnastics. 636 00:41:02,209 --> 00:41:04,753 You know, these kids go to these national training centers 637 00:41:04,837 --> 00:41:06,046 when they're ten years old. 638 00:41:07,047 --> 00:41:09,508 They are abused and mistreated, 639 00:41:10,259 --> 00:41:11,260 for years. 640 00:41:11,343 --> 00:41:13,095 So even by the time they're of age, 641 00:41:13,179 --> 00:41:18,851 the line between tough coaching and child abuse gets blurred. 642 00:41:21,479 --> 00:41:26,901 So then when real, like, obvious abuse, sexual abuse happens, 643 00:41:26,984 --> 00:41:30,237 you already don't believe your own take on things. 644 00:41:30,321 --> 00:41:33,866 Because you think you're hungry. You think your ankle hurts. 645 00:41:33,949 --> 00:41:36,285 You think that you're working really hard. 646 00:41:36,952 --> 00:41:40,080 But you're told and you're screamed at that you're lazy and fat 647 00:41:40,164 --> 00:41:43,334 and there's nothing wrong with your ankle. So when a man 648 00:41:44,251 --> 00:41:48,339 puts his ungloved hand into your vagina without asking you, 649 00:41:48,422 --> 00:41:51,342 I can only imagine that what you feel is, 650 00:41:51,425 --> 00:41:54,762 "He's this great doctor, and I'm lucky to be here. I'm not gonna say anything." 651 00:42:03,229 --> 00:42:05,356 We protect our athletes. 652 00:42:05,439 --> 00:42:09,151 Not just physically, but mentally 653 00:42:09,735 --> 00:42:12,571 you have to protect your athletes. 654 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:14,990 If you screw up once 655 00:42:16,033 --> 00:42:20,871 if you do something where you break their trust, you're done. 656 00:42:22,039 --> 00:42:24,124 Gymnasts first. Gymnasts first. 657 00:42:24,708 --> 00:42:25,751 Gymnasts first. 658 00:42:28,045 --> 00:42:29,880 The environment and the culture. 659 00:42:29,964 --> 00:42:32,758 Bela and Martha Karolyi created at the ranch 660 00:42:32,841 --> 00:42:33,968 was one of fear 661 00:42:34,718 --> 00:42:35,803 intimidation, 662 00:42:36,345 --> 00:42:37,555 and silence. 663 00:42:38,222 --> 00:42:42,059 The only bright light at that place was Larry Nassar. 664 00:42:42,142 --> 00:42:44,687 It's just a bibbidi-bobbidi-boo, I like to call it. 665 00:42:44,770 --> 00:42:47,731 You just go, "Bib, bib, bib, bob, bob, bob, boo, boo, boo." 666 00:42:47,815 --> 00:42:49,441 So a little bibbidi-bobbidi-boo. 667 00:42:49,525 --> 00:42:50,359 There. 668 00:42:50,442 --> 00:42:52,903 Pop goes the weasel. So this little ball... 669 00:42:52,987 --> 00:42:55,281 He was kind. He was funny. 670 00:42:55,364 --> 00:42:56,574 He made them laugh. 671 00:42:56,657 --> 00:42:59,034 I can articulate it, go... 672 00:42:59,118 --> 00:43:02,371 That's what I do when I articulate. Okay? And then I thrust... 673 00:43:02,454 --> 00:43:04,873 He snuck them snacks and gave them food, 674 00:43:04,957 --> 00:43:07,167 and he engendered trust in all these women. 675 00:43:07,918 --> 00:43:10,462 Nassar was everything the Karolyis were not. 676 00:43:10,546 --> 00:43:13,007 Thank you for visiting GymnasticsDoctor.com, 677 00:43:13,090 --> 00:43:15,384 where you can see over 400 educational videos 678 00:43:15,467 --> 00:43:17,553 on how to rehabilitate your gymnast. 679 00:43:18,137 --> 00:43:21,515 To try and justify the methodology that he used, 680 00:43:21,599 --> 00:43:24,643 Larry Nassar produced dozens of videos 681 00:43:24,727 --> 00:43:27,187 of him doing these various, 682 00:43:27,271 --> 00:43:30,357 what he described as osteopathic, procedures to little girls. 683 00:43:30,441 --> 00:43:32,776 It runs through this tunnel 684 00:43:32,860 --> 00:43:37,906 from the ilial... um, uh, iliac crest to the pubic symphysis, and there's a... 685 00:43:37,990 --> 00:43:42,536 He has an excellent command of anatomical vocabulary. 686 00:43:42,620 --> 00:43:44,121 And it all seems legitimate. 687 00:43:44,204 --> 00:43:46,874 A standard... this is like a standard tape job. 688 00:43:46,957 --> 00:43:49,293 Um, this will help for, like, up the muscles. 689 00:43:49,376 --> 00:43:52,296 So we're gonna give her a little bit of a wedgie here. 690 00:43:52,379 --> 00:43:55,424 Or a lot of a wedgie, you could say. Okay? When you do this... 691 00:43:55,507 --> 00:43:58,761 But if you tune that out and really watched what he did 692 00:43:59,928 --> 00:44:04,475 the frequency and the ease at which he touched little children 693 00:44:04,558 --> 00:44:06,769 was just wildly inappropriate. 694 00:44:10,230 --> 00:44:12,566 When I met Larry Nassar. 695 00:44:13,734 --> 00:44:15,653 I was young. 696 00:44:19,281 --> 00:44:21,825 They were doing testing on everybody. 697 00:44:21,909 --> 00:44:25,788 You know, "We just want to make sure everyone's healthy on national team." 698 00:44:27,373 --> 00:44:29,375 And Larry gave me a physical. 699 00:44:30,376 --> 00:44:31,376 And he 700 00:44:32,044 --> 00:44:34,296 got me completely naked. 701 00:44:34,838 --> 00:44:36,090 And I thought that was 702 00:44:36,674 --> 00:44:37,674 normal. 703 00:44:43,722 --> 00:44:46,225 When they went in his office at the ranch, 704 00:44:46,308 --> 00:44:48,852 the walls were littered with pictures of Olympians. 705 00:44:48,936 --> 00:44:50,729 "I treated her. Oh, yeah." 706 00:44:50,813 --> 00:44:54,441 And then he would get a call. And it was Martha Karolyi on the line. 707 00:44:54,525 --> 00:44:57,319 And he would discuss one of the gymnasts' health 708 00:44:57,403 --> 00:44:59,530 while this person was sitting on his table, 709 00:44:59,613 --> 00:45:02,366 which, you know, to a little child, is very impressive. 710 00:45:03,033 --> 00:45:04,201 It's a HIPAA violation, 711 00:45:04,743 --> 00:45:06,328 but it's impressive to a child. 712 00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,045 The first time I went to see Larry, 713 00:45:15,129 --> 00:45:18,298 it was at MSU sports medicine clinic in early 2000. 714 00:45:19,383 --> 00:45:20,968 I was barely 15 years old. 715 00:45:22,928 --> 00:45:25,556 I had a lot of low back pain and a lot of wrist pain, 716 00:45:25,639 --> 00:45:29,643 to the point that it got very difficult just to do basic daily chores. 717 00:45:30,018 --> 00:45:31,562 Lay down on the table for me. 718 00:45:32,187 --> 00:45:34,565 On your back with your ponytail off the edge. 719 00:45:35,149 --> 00:45:36,817 So if I allow for non-stretch... 720 00:45:36,900 --> 00:45:38,861 He asked to do myofascial release, 721 00:45:38,944 --> 00:45:41,572 which I knew was a legitimate physical therapy technique, 722 00:45:41,655 --> 00:45:44,158 and he did that with his right hand, externally. 723 00:45:44,241 --> 00:45:45,993 He did legitimate therapy. 724 00:45:46,076 --> 00:45:49,288 And with his left, he sexually assaulted me under the towel. 725 00:45:49,371 --> 00:45:51,331 Arms up over the head. So now she's on... 726 00:45:51,415 --> 00:45:54,251 He would position himself in between me and my mom. 727 00:45:54,668 --> 00:45:58,589 But since she was so close, I presumed that she was aware of what was going on. 728 00:45:58,672 --> 00:46:01,425 I didn't know until months later that she had no idea. 729 00:46:01,508 --> 00:46:05,262 She couldn't see where his other hand was. He was intentionally blocking it. 730 00:46:05,345 --> 00:46:06,847 If she leaps and jumps... 731 00:46:07,222 --> 00:46:09,266 There was definitely an escalation. 732 00:46:09,516 --> 00:46:11,769 He started anal penetration over time. 733 00:46:12,519 --> 00:46:14,438 Then, on one of the last appointments, 734 00:46:14,521 --> 00:46:18,692 he unhooked my bra and went up my shirt and did a full-on breast massage. 735 00:46:18,776 --> 00:46:20,944 He was clearly sexually aroused. 736 00:46:22,988 --> 00:46:26,450 It was an average of once a month. I saw him for a little over a year. 737 00:46:26,533 --> 00:46:29,244 And on the majority of those visits, he abused me. 738 00:46:32,706 --> 00:46:35,667 It was something that was always present. I couldn't just put it away. 739 00:46:36,585 --> 00:46:37,628 Some years later, 740 00:46:37,711 --> 00:46:41,173 I went to the head coach at the gymnastics facility where I worked, 741 00:46:41,673 --> 00:46:45,469 and I said, "Larry sexually abused me under the guise of a medical exam." 742 00:46:45,552 --> 00:46:47,721 I told her that no one should be seeing him. 743 00:46:47,805 --> 00:46:51,600 When I was told... "No one else is saying what you're saying..." 744 00:46:52,518 --> 00:46:53,894 Um, and, 745 00:46:54,394 --> 00:46:58,398 and cautioned even about speaking out, because of the ramifications 746 00:46:58,941 --> 00:47:02,528 that really solidified to me, "There's nothing I can do. Not right now." 747 00:47:09,535 --> 00:47:10,994 Amy Chow! 748 00:47:14,289 --> 00:47:16,041 Jamie Dantzscher! 749 00:47:22,381 --> 00:47:25,884 When they announced my name, I was really able to take in that moment, 750 00:47:25,968 --> 00:47:29,304 to feel like maybe all of this was worth it. 751 00:47:34,101 --> 00:47:36,353 Bela has selected his team! 752 00:47:39,481 --> 00:47:42,234 But, for me, the Olympics were not 753 00:47:42,901 --> 00:47:44,194 a dream come true. 754 00:47:45,195 --> 00:47:48,824 The United States makes its entrance. Look at the smiles. 755 00:47:48,907 --> 00:47:51,326 Look at the waving flags, the new uniforms. 756 00:47:53,829 --> 00:47:55,956 Was Larry abusive at the Olympics? 757 00:47:56,039 --> 00:47:57,039 Yes. 758 00:47:57,916 --> 00:48:01,003 Yes. Larry was abusive at the Olympics. 759 00:48:02,504 --> 00:48:05,132 When we got there, we had to train morning and night. 760 00:48:07,050 --> 00:48:11,513 And all that stress, physically and mentally, to do that every day... 761 00:48:12,431 --> 00:48:14,433 My back was always so bad. 762 00:48:14,516 --> 00:48:17,686 I mean, I had to get adjustments 763 00:48:18,645 --> 00:48:19,645 every day. 764 00:48:20,022 --> 00:48:21,607 Sometimes, four times a day. 765 00:48:23,817 --> 00:48:25,694 I thought that's what was helping me. 766 00:48:26,778 --> 00:48:29,364 And he would sneak us food and candy. 767 00:48:32,659 --> 00:48:34,620 And leave stuff under our pillows. 768 00:48:40,542 --> 00:48:43,253 I wasn't proud to be an Olympian. 769 00:49:02,564 --> 00:49:04,024 And now, please welcome 770 00:49:04,107 --> 00:49:06,985 the reigning world and Olympic team champions, 771 00:49:07,069 --> 00:49:09,571 the United States of America! 772 00:49:15,410 --> 00:49:19,957 Double world all-around champion, Simone Biles! 773 00:49:20,499 --> 00:49:22,376 Gabrielle Douglas! 774 00:49:22,459 --> 00:49:24,169 Brenna Dowell! 775 00:49:24,252 --> 00:49:26,338 Madison Kocian! 776 00:49:26,421 --> 00:49:28,090 Margaret Nichols! 777 00:49:28,173 --> 00:49:30,175 Alexandra Raisman! 778 00:49:30,258 --> 00:49:32,260 And MyKayla Skinner! 779 00:49:35,639 --> 00:49:38,642 So, next up, it's Maggie Nichols here. 780 00:49:40,352 --> 00:49:41,352 Can she do it? 781 00:49:41,687 --> 00:49:43,855 Oh, and she does! 782 00:49:43,939 --> 00:49:46,984 It's the Yurchenko two-and-a-half twist. The Amanar. 783 00:49:49,486 --> 00:49:52,489 Maggie reports the child sexual abuse 784 00:49:52,572 --> 00:49:55,367 in, you know, the very beginning of June of 2015. 785 00:49:55,951 --> 00:49:58,620 And actually, she had a huge, huge year. 786 00:49:58,704 --> 00:50:00,998 I mean, she was doing awesome. 787 00:50:01,081 --> 00:50:04,501 She was at the peak of her career. Second again behind Simone Biles. 788 00:50:05,127 --> 00:50:06,586 But Maggie did phenomenal. 789 00:50:06,670 --> 00:50:10,340 I mean, she's amazing and beautiful, and she's consistent and winning. 790 00:50:10,424 --> 00:50:13,135 USA! USA! 791 00:50:13,218 --> 00:50:15,804 A Minnesota gymnast who just won gold with Team USA 792 00:50:15,887 --> 00:50:18,974 returned home to a warm welcome by fellow gymnasts 793 00:50:19,057 --> 00:50:20,559 from Twin Cities Twisters. 794 00:50:20,642 --> 00:50:21,810 - Her mom... - Very proud. 795 00:50:21,893 --> 00:50:24,146 - She did awesome! - Her coach 796 00:50:24,229 --> 00:50:27,232 and her dad were in Scotland cheering her on. 797 00:50:27,315 --> 00:50:30,819 As of right now, I would say that, unless something happens, 798 00:50:30,902 --> 00:50:32,946 both Maggie Nichols and Gabby Douglas, 799 00:50:33,030 --> 00:50:35,907 they are on the path to 2016. 800 00:50:40,370 --> 00:50:42,789 That was excellent. She's one of those athletes 801 00:50:42,873 --> 00:50:46,209 that really does keep improving each time she competes. 802 00:50:52,215 --> 00:50:54,051 Maggie Nichols is from Little Canada. 803 00:50:54,134 --> 00:50:57,220 The graduate of Roseville High School is practically a shoo-in 804 00:50:57,304 --> 00:51:00,223 to be picked for Team USA next month at the Olympic trials. 805 00:51:00,307 --> 00:51:02,559 It's such an honor that, you know, all my hard work 806 00:51:02,642 --> 00:51:04,853 throughout my whole career is paying off, 807 00:51:04,936 --> 00:51:08,023 and I'll just be so honored to represent the US and Minnesota. 808 00:51:08,106 --> 00:51:11,109 And I just want to do my best and help Team USA. 809 00:51:17,657 --> 00:51:21,995 NBC Sports presents the 2016 Secret US Classic. 810 00:51:22,079 --> 00:51:24,247 Well, Al, Maggie Nichols is not here. 811 00:51:24,331 --> 00:51:27,918 She is back home in Minnesota working her way through a knee injury. 812 00:51:28,001 --> 00:51:32,672 This is an athlete who had an amazing breakout 2015. 813 00:51:32,756 --> 00:51:35,967 And then Maggie tore her meniscus, had to have surgery. 814 00:51:36,051 --> 00:51:39,221 But remember, the last time Maggie Nichols was injured, 815 00:51:39,304 --> 00:51:42,933 she came back stronger, physically and mentally. 816 00:51:43,016 --> 00:51:46,686 She was a completely different athlete. We don't know what's gonna happen, 817 00:51:46,770 --> 00:51:49,481 but, Al, they don't call her Swaggy Maggie for nothing. 818 00:51:54,152 --> 00:51:56,905 Maggie had kind of a rough couple of months 819 00:51:57,739 --> 00:51:59,783 going into the Olympic trials. 820 00:52:00,826 --> 00:52:02,828 Uh, she had hurt her knee 821 00:52:03,620 --> 00:52:05,580 um, at the ranch. 822 00:52:07,666 --> 00:52:09,835 She had a tough road ahead of her 823 00:52:10,377 --> 00:52:12,504 you know, to try to make the Olympic team. 824 00:52:14,673 --> 00:52:18,635 So we've got Maggie trying to rehab a knee injury and a surgery, 825 00:52:19,219 --> 00:52:22,305 while in the meantime, during the spring of 2016 826 00:52:23,223 --> 00:52:28,019 Steve Penny controlled every single thing that we did 827 00:52:28,103 --> 00:52:29,980 before we went to the Olympic trials. 828 00:52:31,356 --> 00:52:36,278 One thing was that Hershey's wanted to make a commercial in honor of Simone. 829 00:52:36,361 --> 00:52:40,031 And the only people who were gonna be in the commercial is Simone's family 830 00:52:40,115 --> 00:52:41,408 and a best friend or two. 831 00:52:42,325 --> 00:52:45,620 So she invites Maggie to be in this commercial for her. 832 00:52:46,955 --> 00:52:51,293 So they get down there, and they started filming in Simone's house. 833 00:52:51,376 --> 00:52:54,171 And then, all of a sudden, the film crew for Hershey's 834 00:52:54,254 --> 00:52:56,006 gets a phone call from Steve Penny, 835 00:52:56,089 --> 00:52:58,550 saying Maggie is not gonna be in that commercial. 836 00:52:59,050 --> 00:53:00,510 He was screaming and yelling, 837 00:53:00,594 --> 00:53:03,013 "I'm supposed to be in charge of this! I'm in charge!" 838 00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,600 And you still haven't heard anything from the FBI? 839 00:53:06,683 --> 00:53:08,810 Not one thing. I was told that they knew. 840 00:53:09,519 --> 00:53:12,522 Um, I was told that the police were all over it, 841 00:53:12,606 --> 00:53:15,984 but Steve Penny told us we could not talk about it. 842 00:53:16,067 --> 00:53:17,903 We really weren't gonna go 843 00:53:18,570 --> 00:53:19,738 public or say anything, 844 00:53:19,821 --> 00:53:22,657 because we were told that there's an FBI investigation, 845 00:53:22,741 --> 00:53:24,826 and we could possibly jeopardize it. 846 00:53:26,953 --> 00:53:30,081 And also, you know, we didn't want to upset, 847 00:53:30,165 --> 00:53:33,293 you know, Steve Penny and Martha Karolyi. 848 00:53:34,336 --> 00:53:37,672 They knew that Maggie reported Larry Nassar. 849 00:53:39,007 --> 00:53:42,385 We had to do exactly what they wanted us to do. 850 00:53:43,136 --> 00:53:46,681 You know, they were the ones that actually pick our Olympic team. 851 00:53:47,766 --> 00:53:49,517 They had us under the gun. 852 00:53:49,601 --> 00:53:51,853 They had the Olympics hanging over our heads. 853 00:53:53,438 --> 00:53:57,984 NBC Sports welcomes you to the 2016 US Olympic trials. 854 00:53:58,068 --> 00:54:01,363 And this is a big stage for 13 hopeful women. 855 00:54:02,614 --> 00:54:05,158 As we often say, the selection committee is watching everything, 856 00:54:05,242 --> 00:54:08,119 but the two most important eyes in the building are those. 857 00:54:08,203 --> 00:54:11,331 Martha Karolyi, who's the boss of Team USA. 858 00:54:11,414 --> 00:54:13,208 But tonight, everybody's watching. 859 00:54:13,291 --> 00:54:16,294 We'll start things off with Maggie Nichols on the vault. 860 00:54:16,378 --> 00:54:21,132 She's trying to get to the Olympic Games after two really bad knee injuries. 861 00:54:21,216 --> 00:54:24,052 Martha said, for Maggie to be in the hunt, 862 00:54:24,135 --> 00:54:27,764 she has to be as good as she was in 2015. 863 00:54:28,390 --> 00:54:31,518 She was capable of doing this very difficult vault. 864 00:54:31,601 --> 00:54:34,521 We'll see it from Simone Biles. It's called the Amanar. 865 00:54:34,604 --> 00:54:36,022 It's a two-and-a-half twist. 866 00:54:41,945 --> 00:54:44,489 Yup, just the double full. Great landing! 867 00:54:46,074 --> 00:54:48,743 She's gonna get a very nice score, but once again, 868 00:54:48,827 --> 00:54:51,663 it doesn't have the same maximum level score 869 00:54:51,746 --> 00:54:53,415 that the Amanar would have. 870 00:55:03,133 --> 00:55:05,260 You watch and watch her do her best. 871 00:55:05,343 --> 00:55:07,971 And you watch her compete, and she did well. 872 00:55:10,890 --> 00:55:13,476 But for us, you know, as parents, 873 00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:16,313 every meet that we had gone to up until this point, 874 00:55:16,396 --> 00:55:17,731 we had our seats marked. 875 00:55:19,024 --> 00:55:21,192 You know, we had camera crews following us. 876 00:55:21,693 --> 00:55:24,195 Even at the America's Cup, a couple of weeks prior, 877 00:55:24,279 --> 00:55:27,449 we had a camera crew following us throughout the whole arena. 878 00:55:29,117 --> 00:55:31,202 But we showed up at Olympic trials and 879 00:55:31,828 --> 00:55:33,079 our seats aren't marked. 880 00:55:33,163 --> 00:55:37,459 We don't have mics. There's no camera crew following us. 881 00:55:39,085 --> 00:55:40,085 And so 882 00:55:40,545 --> 00:55:43,048 something was definitely off. 883 00:55:46,468 --> 00:55:48,178 So here are the final standings. 884 00:55:48,261 --> 00:55:51,556 Laurie Hernandez was the second best, then Aly Raisman, 885 00:55:52,098 --> 00:55:53,475 by a significant amount. 886 00:55:53,558 --> 00:55:55,935 And then MyKayla Skinner, Ragan Smith, 887 00:55:56,019 --> 00:55:59,481 and then Gabby Douglas finished exactly the way she started the night, 888 00:56:00,023 --> 00:56:01,983 in seventh place. 889 00:56:02,567 --> 00:56:04,903 Okay, they took more than 18 minutes. 890 00:56:05,820 --> 00:56:08,990 President Steve Penny is going to step to the microphone. 891 00:56:10,867 --> 00:56:13,078 Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome 892 00:56:13,161 --> 00:56:17,957 the president and CEO of USA Gymnastics, Steve Penny! 893 00:56:20,418 --> 00:56:21,586 Good evening! 894 00:56:22,087 --> 00:56:25,840 It is now my great pleasure to introduce to you 895 00:56:25,924 --> 00:56:30,678 the five ladies who will represent the United States of America 896 00:56:30,762 --> 00:56:32,514 in Rio de Janeiro. 897 00:56:33,223 --> 00:56:37,894 Three-time world champion, Simone Biles! 898 00:56:39,938 --> 00:56:46,027 The reigning Olympic all-around champion, Gabrielle Douglas! 899 00:56:48,321 --> 00:56:50,698 Making her first Olympic team 900 00:56:51,282 --> 00:56:53,660 Laurie Hernandez! 901 00:56:55,829 --> 00:56:59,124 The reigning world champion on bars 902 00:56:59,207 --> 00:57:01,543 Madison Kocian! 903 00:57:05,296 --> 00:57:08,049 And the second member of the Fierce Five, 904 00:57:08,133 --> 00:57:14,347 2012 Olympic gold medalist, Aly Raisman! 905 00:57:20,395 --> 00:57:23,648 They will be joined by the three replacement athletes. 906 00:57:24,232 --> 00:57:27,944 I got sixth in the all-around, and then five girls were chosen. 907 00:57:28,027 --> 00:57:30,280 And then they chose three alternates. 908 00:57:30,363 --> 00:57:31,823 MyKayla Skinner... 909 00:57:32,449 --> 00:57:36,995 Ragan Smith, and Ashton Locklear. 910 00:57:38,413 --> 00:57:40,724 I trained my whole life to make that Olympic team, 911 00:57:40,748 --> 00:57:43,334 and then not making it, even as an alternate. 912 00:57:44,043 --> 00:57:46,713 I was mentally and physically just ready to move on. 913 00:57:57,182 --> 00:57:58,516 Maggie was crushed. 914 00:58:00,143 --> 00:58:02,479 She had, you know, many things 915 00:58:03,021 --> 00:58:04,021 taken away. 916 00:58:07,233 --> 00:58:08,485 And how do you accept it? 917 00:58:10,278 --> 00:58:15,200 You know, I'm trying to justify and explain, rationalize things to myself. 918 00:58:18,244 --> 00:58:22,749 But it's hard to come up and say things that, you know, you really can't prove. 919 00:58:26,878 --> 00:58:29,839 And so the girls that get selected jump up and down 920 00:58:29,923 --> 00:58:32,383 and get flowers and flashes and photos. 921 00:58:33,384 --> 00:58:34,928 And Maggie stands down, 922 00:58:36,513 --> 00:58:38,640 and congratulated every single one of them. 923 00:58:44,312 --> 00:58:49,067 After being abused by USAG, by Steve Penny, by Larry Nassar 924 00:58:50,610 --> 00:58:53,988 all I wanted to do is get my child out of there 925 00:58:54,072 --> 00:58:56,574 and take her home and hug her and love her. 926 00:59:10,547 --> 00:59:11,756 I try not to 927 00:59:12,632 --> 00:59:13,841 think too much about it. 928 00:59:15,051 --> 00:59:17,387 I just try to, you know, carry on and 929 00:59:18,054 --> 00:59:21,307 hope that they made the right decision for the right reasons. 930 00:59:32,777 --> 00:59:35,572 What are your intentions then, going forward? 931 00:59:36,072 --> 00:59:39,242 I will be filing a police report with the hope that the DA picks it up 932 00:59:39,325 --> 00:59:41,911 and presses charges for first-degree sexual assault. 933 00:59:43,121 --> 00:59:45,665 How hard was it to get to that point? 934 00:59:46,124 --> 00:59:49,085 I know that means, if the DA picks it up, I'll be testifying 935 00:59:49,168 --> 00:59:51,546 with great detail in open court in front of him, 936 00:59:51,629 --> 00:59:53,548 knowing we both have the same memories, 937 00:59:53,631 --> 00:59:55,425 and I hate that idea. I hate it. 938 00:59:56,467 --> 00:59:58,845 But if I don't, he can continue. 939 01:00:00,638 --> 01:00:01,973 And I hate that idea more. 940 01:00:10,690 --> 01:00:13,318 By the time I interviewed Rachael 941 01:00:14,027 --> 01:00:16,029 she had about 100 pages 942 01:00:16,112 --> 01:00:18,489 of medical documents. 943 01:00:18,573 --> 01:00:20,366 She had basically prepared a case 944 01:00:20,450 --> 01:00:22,994 against Nassar herself, as a lawyer, really. 945 01:00:29,083 --> 01:00:31,377 On August 25th of 2016, 946 01:00:31,461 --> 01:00:35,423 our dispatch called and said, "You investigate sex crimes, right?" 947 01:00:35,506 --> 01:00:38,217 I said, "Yes." They said, "We have a woman that called. 948 01:00:38,301 --> 01:00:43,681 She lives out of state. And she was sexually assaulted by a doctor 949 01:00:44,515 --> 01:00:48,186 "sixteen years prior, and she would like to speak to someone about it." 950 01:00:49,145 --> 01:00:52,732 And I called her that day, and it was Rachael Denhollander. 951 01:00:52,815 --> 01:00:54,567 She said, "I'd like to meet you in person. 952 01:00:54,651 --> 01:00:56,778 I want to bring you some documents and things." 953 01:00:57,904 --> 01:01:00,031 Um, I'd asked her, "What's the doctor's name?" 954 01:01:00,114 --> 01:01:01,699 And she said, "Larry Nassar." 955 01:01:02,700 --> 01:01:06,496 I had heard of him from a 2014 investigation 956 01:01:06,579 --> 01:01:08,498 where another survivor had reported 957 01:01:08,581 --> 01:01:11,793 that he had sexually assaulted her during medical treatment. 958 01:01:12,627 --> 01:01:15,380 But the case was presented to the prosecutor's office, 959 01:01:16,422 --> 01:01:19,467 and they declined to... to charge it at that time. 960 01:01:21,094 --> 01:01:23,137 What I found out when I came forward 961 01:01:23,221 --> 01:01:26,099 was that multiple women and young girls had spoken up 962 01:01:26,182 --> 01:01:28,393 years before I walked in his door. 963 01:01:28,476 --> 01:01:30,186 As early as 1997. 964 01:01:30,269 --> 01:01:33,147 All of the women were assured it was common medical procedure, 965 01:01:33,231 --> 01:01:37,026 that it was not sexual abuse, and they were sent back to him for continued abuse. 966 01:01:40,446 --> 01:01:42,031 - I'm sorry. - I'm Andrea Munford. 967 01:01:42,115 --> 01:01:44,158 Hi. Nice to meet you. Larry Nassar. 968 01:01:44,784 --> 01:01:46,220 Thanks for coming in so quick, too. 969 01:01:46,244 --> 01:01:49,056 Obviously, you're not under arrest, and you can leave whenever you want. 970 01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:50,080 Um... 971 01:01:50,248 --> 01:01:53,751 The day after I talked to Rachael, he came in, 972 01:01:53,835 --> 01:01:55,670 and he was very friendly. 973 01:01:55,753 --> 01:01:58,965 Congenial. Quirky. A lot of people call him quirky. 974 01:01:59,757 --> 01:02:02,802 Now, how long have you been doing this technique? 975 01:02:03,302 --> 01:02:05,263 I have video from 976 01:02:06,597 --> 01:02:08,224 thirty pounds ago, um... 977 01:02:09,434 --> 01:02:11,811 From like the.. It would have been in the 1990s. 978 01:02:11,894 --> 01:02:15,148 And I started asking him about the 2014 investigation. 979 01:02:15,231 --> 01:02:17,859 There were certain protocols that were put in place 980 01:02:17,942 --> 01:02:20,111 about getting informed consent, 981 01:02:20,194 --> 01:02:23,072 having another medical person in the room, wearing gloves. 982 01:02:23,156 --> 01:02:24,741 Have you had any instances 983 01:02:24,824 --> 01:02:27,618 where there hasn't been anyone in the room for an exam? 984 01:02:27,702 --> 01:02:31,289 There would be some... on occasion, of course. You know what I mean? 985 01:02:31,372 --> 01:02:34,417 That just is the way medicine is now, it's difficult. 986 01:02:34,500 --> 01:02:38,212 Would this ever involve, like, digital anal penetration? 987 01:02:38,296 --> 01:02:41,841 Only if we're doing a coccyx, you know, problem. I mean, then... 988 01:02:41,924 --> 01:02:44,177 If I... If I actually have to fix a coccyx, 989 01:02:44,260 --> 01:02:47,054 uh, then I would've been using my finger inside 990 01:02:47,138 --> 01:02:49,390 and my thumb on the outside. You know, to... 991 01:02:49,474 --> 01:02:51,309 Do you wear gloves when you do this? 992 01:02:51,392 --> 01:02:55,062 If I'm gonna go in... intra, yes. You know what I mean? 993 01:02:56,063 --> 01:02:59,817 Well, the reason I'm asking is that we did have another complaint. 994 01:02:59,901 --> 01:03:01,152 - Really? - Yeah. 995 01:03:01,235 --> 01:03:03,446 And it's a patient from a while ago. 996 01:03:03,529 --> 01:03:05,531 - Okay. - And she does describe, 997 01:03:05,615 --> 01:03:08,785 um, some things that sound to me like they're out of the norm 998 01:03:08,868 --> 01:03:10,661 - from your typical treatment. - Okay. 999 01:03:11,788 --> 01:03:17,543 And the more I continued asking him about the specifics, he got very nervous. 1000 01:03:17,627 --> 01:03:19,420 He was sweating, he was stuttering. 1001 01:03:19,879 --> 01:03:21,798 And then he would try to reframe it 1002 01:03:22,256 --> 01:03:23,256 to blame 1003 01:03:23,633 --> 01:03:25,635 Rachael or any other patient. 1004 01:03:25,718 --> 01:03:29,889 What's confusing me... To me about it is 1005 01:03:29,972 --> 01:03:32,934 why wasn't there anything said back when I was treating them 1006 01:03:33,017 --> 01:03:35,937 if they felt that uncomfortable? If I'm talking to the patient... 1007 01:03:36,020 --> 01:03:39,398 Okay, put yourself being a teenage girl, all right? 1008 01:03:39,482 --> 01:03:40,483 Okay. 1009 01:03:41,108 --> 01:03:43,148 Most people that are sexually assaulted... 1010 01:03:43,194 --> 01:03:44,028 Uh huh. 1011 01:03:44,111 --> 01:03:46,048 Are very uncomfortable. They don't know what to say. 1012 01:03:46,072 --> 01:03:47,072 Okay. 1013 01:03:47,740 --> 01:03:50,910 He would talk about, uh, medical terminology, 1014 01:03:51,452 --> 01:03:53,538 referencing certain parts of the body. 1015 01:03:53,621 --> 01:03:55,998 Then he would say "You don't need to know that," 1016 01:03:56,082 --> 01:03:57,792 or, "You won't understand all that." 1017 01:03:57,875 --> 01:04:01,879 The sacrotuberous ligament... it runs from the pubic symphysis, 1018 01:04:01,963 --> 01:04:05,132 the falciform process... It runs... It's like the pelvic floor. 1019 01:04:05,216 --> 01:04:07,552 Okay, you won't understand this stuff... 1020 01:04:07,635 --> 01:04:09,262 So you're really coming in... 1021 01:04:09,345 --> 01:04:12,306 And I didn't understand all that, but it didn't matter, 1022 01:04:12,390 --> 01:04:14,767 because he still couldn't explain to me 1023 01:04:14,851 --> 01:04:16,477 how any of those 1024 01:04:17,103 --> 01:04:20,857 parts or injuries to them would require 1025 01:04:21,732 --> 01:04:23,276 vaginal penetration 1026 01:04:24,527 --> 01:04:25,527 to fix. 1027 01:04:27,363 --> 01:04:29,490 Do you ever get aroused during these exams? 1028 01:04:29,574 --> 01:04:31,242 Do I get aroused during the exams? 1029 01:04:31,325 --> 01:04:33,870 Yeah, like, do you ever get an erection? 1030 01:04:33,953 --> 01:04:36,581 Obviously you don't, you know what I mean, so... 1031 01:04:36,664 --> 01:04:39,333 Is there a reason you would during an exam? 1032 01:04:39,417 --> 01:04:41,878 I shouldn't be getting an erection during an exam... 1033 01:04:41,961 --> 01:04:42,961 Right. 1034 01:04:43,212 --> 01:04:46,507 If there was arousal, it's... it's... it's... 1035 01:04:47,842 --> 01:04:49,051 You know what I mean? 1036 01:04:49,135 --> 01:04:51,888 It would be because of... whatever. 1037 01:04:51,971 --> 01:04:53,723 I don't know, but I'm not trying to... 1038 01:04:53,806 --> 01:04:56,851 What is "whatever"? I don't know. I don't know. 1039 01:04:56,934 --> 01:04:58,978 When you're a guy, sometimes you get an erection. 1040 01:04:59,061 --> 01:05:01,314 You know what I mean? But I don't... It's... 1041 01:05:01,397 --> 01:05:03,733 You get an erection when you're aroused. 1042 01:05:04,025 --> 01:05:06,903 And so, like last time, there will be an investigation. 1043 01:05:06,986 --> 01:05:08,237 - Right. - Okay? 1044 01:05:08,321 --> 01:05:09,155 Okay. 1045 01:05:09,238 --> 01:05:11,838 I'm gonna go grab a card so you can have my information. 1046 01:05:11,866 --> 01:05:13,034 - I'll be right back. - Okay. 1047 01:05:20,625 --> 01:05:23,544 As we started looking into the Nassar case, 1048 01:05:23,628 --> 01:05:25,504 we talked to Nassar's lawyer. 1049 01:05:25,588 --> 01:05:26,923 First thing he said was... 1050 01:05:27,465 --> 01:05:29,467 "You know, this is a very important man, 1051 01:05:29,550 --> 01:05:32,637 and you're potentially going to ruin his reputation here." 1052 01:05:33,137 --> 01:05:36,015 And so we were very aware of that ourselves. 1053 01:05:38,434 --> 01:05:41,854 Rachael Denhollander was just a completely credible source. 1054 01:05:41,938 --> 01:05:42,938 Mm-hmm. 1055 01:05:43,856 --> 01:05:49,737 And John Manly and Jamie Dantzscher were preparing a lawsuit at that time. 1056 01:05:50,529 --> 01:05:53,282 That gave us more confidence. 1057 01:05:56,035 --> 01:05:58,221 We backgrounded him. We couldn't find any lawsuits. 1058 01:05:58,245 --> 01:06:01,082 We couldn't find any malpractice allegations. 1059 01:06:01,874 --> 01:06:05,795 One of my jobs was to find out if there was an acceptable procedure 1060 01:06:05,878 --> 01:06:08,047 where you would use intravaginal penetration 1061 01:06:08,130 --> 01:06:09,548 to treat a young athlete, 1062 01:06:09,632 --> 01:06:12,343 and quickly found out that there was not. 1063 01:06:14,595 --> 01:06:18,724 My job was to contact Nassar for an interview at his attorney's office. 1064 01:06:22,979 --> 01:06:26,273 He was a volunteer? Is that his status with USA Gymnastics? 1065 01:06:26,983 --> 01:06:31,445 Dr. Nassar was a volunteer for how many years? 1066 01:06:31,529 --> 01:06:32,697 Twenty-nine. 1067 01:06:32,780 --> 01:06:36,492 Twenty-nine years with USA Gymnastics. He wasn't paid a salary. 1068 01:06:36,909 --> 01:06:39,453 Uh, he resigned... Actually retired 1069 01:06:40,162 --> 01:06:42,540 uh, in 2015 1070 01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:45,668 because, uh, he went on to other matters 1071 01:06:45,751 --> 01:06:49,672 that had nothing to do with allegations of sexual misconduct. 1072 01:06:51,257 --> 01:06:54,385 What else would you like to say about the allegations against him? 1073 01:06:55,678 --> 01:06:57,763 He denies all the allegations. 1074 01:06:58,556 --> 01:07:01,350 He's never heard these allegations before. 1075 01:07:01,434 --> 01:07:02,977 No one from law enforcement 1076 01:07:03,561 --> 01:07:07,023 any other regulatory body, USA Gymnastics 1077 01:07:07,523 --> 01:07:09,942 any individuals, parents, no one has ever 1078 01:07:10,401 --> 01:07:13,487 uh, suggested that Dr. Nassar has done anything 1079 01:07:13,571 --> 01:07:16,574 in any context, with either this gymnast or any other, 1080 01:07:16,657 --> 01:07:17,700 that he's aware of. 1081 01:07:19,410 --> 01:07:21,912 And it looks like there's an allegation 1082 01:07:21,996 --> 01:07:27,710 that he manually penetrated the gymnast here, her vagina? 1083 01:07:28,294 --> 01:07:30,588 Is that a procedure that he uses? 1084 01:07:30,671 --> 01:07:31,671 No. 1085 01:07:33,549 --> 01:07:36,594 There's no circumstance that he ever 1086 01:07:36,677 --> 01:07:39,889 penetrated her vagina in any way related to any procedure. 1087 01:07:39,972 --> 01:07:40,972 Okay. 1088 01:07:45,436 --> 01:07:49,648 You know, when I left him there, Nassar was nearly in tears, pleading with me, 1089 01:07:49,732 --> 01:07:51,626 "Please don't write a story about this. Don't do this." 1090 01:07:51,650 --> 01:07:54,087 You're gonna ruin my reputation. This is gonna harm my family. 1091 01:07:54,111 --> 01:07:56,947 I haven't done anything wrong." And, you know, leaving. 1092 01:07:57,490 --> 01:07:59,742 I'm a human being, you know. That affected me. 1093 01:07:59,825 --> 01:08:03,245 I was confident in the information we had and confident in our story, 1094 01:08:03,329 --> 01:08:06,624 but I also, you know, see this... this man who's 1095 01:08:07,166 --> 01:08:10,920 had no spot on his record, as far as we knew at that time, prior, 1096 01:08:11,003 --> 01:08:12,379 begging us not to do that. 1097 01:08:12,463 --> 01:08:16,008 I had to keep reminding myself. I was like, "Don't feel sorry for him." 1098 01:08:16,092 --> 01:08:18,928 "Feel sorry for the victims, the survivors." And... 1099 01:08:19,011 --> 01:08:21,222 Um, but... but he made a... made a good play. 1100 01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:30,397 The former team doctor for USA Gymnastics for 20 years 1101 01:08:30,481 --> 01:08:33,567 is facing dozens of accusations of sexual abuse, 1102 01:08:33,651 --> 01:08:35,736 including one from a former Olympian. 1103 01:08:35,820 --> 01:08:38,864 The team of reporters from The Indianapolis Star 1104 01:08:38,948 --> 01:08:43,536 published accounts from gymnasts who accused Nassar of sexually abusing them 1105 01:08:43,619 --> 01:08:45,830 during supposed medical procedures. 1106 01:08:47,915 --> 01:08:50,709 In that interview with Nassar's lawyers, 1107 01:08:50,793 --> 01:08:56,632 he said that he had never performed an intravaginal procedure, which 1108 01:08:57,675 --> 01:08:59,552 was really his downfall, 1109 01:08:59,635 --> 01:09:03,347 because, at that point, every woman who he'd done this to, 1110 01:09:03,430 --> 01:09:04,974 and there were hundreds, 1111 01:09:05,558 --> 01:09:06,725 knew he was lying. 1112 01:09:08,686 --> 01:09:12,773 And the reaction was almost immediate. 1113 01:09:13,440 --> 01:09:17,027 All these women out there were thinking, "What? 1114 01:09:17,111 --> 01:09:19,071 That's not what I experienced." 1115 01:09:19,155 --> 01:09:23,075 So we started getting phone calls from victim/survivors. 1116 01:09:23,784 --> 01:09:26,162 Twelve more victims had come forward. 1117 01:09:26,245 --> 01:09:28,164 Then it was 30, then it was 60. 1118 01:09:28,247 --> 01:09:31,041 And it was going up every day. 1119 01:09:31,458 --> 01:09:34,086 There were more and more and more. 1120 01:09:34,753 --> 01:09:36,088 And as it grew 1121 01:09:36,755 --> 01:09:40,551 we started to realize how bad it really was out there. 1122 01:09:42,052 --> 01:09:47,391 But at the time, we also got nasty phone calls, nasty letters 1123 01:09:47,474 --> 01:09:49,310 from Larry Nassar supporters. 1124 01:09:49,393 --> 01:09:50,978 I mean, you have to understand, 1125 01:09:51,478 --> 01:09:54,481 this was a beloved man. 1126 01:09:55,733 --> 01:09:57,902 Yeah, I went in as a Jane Doe. 1127 01:09:58,194 --> 01:10:00,863 But, for sure, in the gymnastics community 1128 01:10:01,405 --> 01:10:03,657 everyone knew it was me, and 1129 01:10:04,450 --> 01:10:06,118 that's kind of when 1130 01:10:06,202 --> 01:10:09,246 the shit really started hitting the fan for me, because 1131 01:10:10,998 --> 01:10:12,541 people were so 1132 01:10:13,500 --> 01:10:14,500 mean. 1133 01:10:19,548 --> 01:10:22,468 She wasn't lauded as, "Oh, you know, she's heroic. 1134 01:10:22,551 --> 01:10:24,595 Good job, Jamie. Me too." 1135 01:10:25,221 --> 01:10:29,099 What she got was, "You're a whore. You're a drunk." 1136 01:10:29,808 --> 01:10:31,727 Lawyers for USA Gymnastics 1137 01:10:31,810 --> 01:10:35,773 calling her ex-boyfriends, trying to dig up dirt on her sexual history. 1138 01:10:35,856 --> 01:10:38,776 They let her get the living shit kicked out of her. 1139 01:10:39,526 --> 01:10:41,820 On social media, in the press, 1140 01:10:41,904 --> 01:10:44,573 her and Rachael Denhollander. 1141 01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:48,869 It was an incredibly dark time period. 1142 01:10:49,912 --> 01:10:51,580 There were a lot of things said. 1143 01:10:51,664 --> 01:10:54,750 That I was a bitter, washed-up gymnast who couldn't hack it, 1144 01:10:55,251 --> 01:10:56,418 that I wanted fame, 1145 01:10:57,002 --> 01:10:58,002 that I enjoyed it. 1146 01:11:00,005 --> 01:11:02,758 I was too physically ill to eat most of the time, 1147 01:11:02,841 --> 01:11:04,260 so I lost a lot of weight. 1148 01:11:04,843 --> 01:11:08,639 I lost every shred of privacy and, I felt like, every shred of dignity 1149 01:11:08,722 --> 01:11:10,182 with what I had to disclose. 1150 01:11:13,519 --> 01:11:18,399 He was running for school board at the time of our first story on him. 1151 01:11:18,983 --> 01:11:21,277 He got 22 percent of the votes. 1152 01:11:21,944 --> 01:11:23,529 More than 2,000. 1153 01:11:24,196 --> 01:11:25,739 After all that. 1154 01:11:47,052 --> 01:11:48,679 I read in The IndyStar, 1155 01:11:48,762 --> 01:11:53,183 Larry Nassar was allowed to retire from USA Gymnastics 1156 01:11:53,267 --> 01:11:56,228 because he wanted to focus on running for school board 1157 01:11:56,312 --> 01:11:58,022 and his hometown practice. 1158 01:11:59,606 --> 01:12:00,941 And I thought to myself... 1159 01:12:01,442 --> 01:12:02,735 "What is going on here?" 1160 01:12:02,818 --> 01:12:04,486 I mean, I was so dumbfounded. 1161 01:12:04,570 --> 01:12:07,072 I'm like, "Why are they allowing him 1162 01:12:07,156 --> 01:12:09,325 to go and run... even run for school board 1163 01:12:09,408 --> 01:12:11,994 when he's been molesting my daughter and others at the ranch?" 1164 01:12:15,122 --> 01:12:16,373 By that time, 1165 01:12:16,457 --> 01:12:19,793 we reported Maggie's child sexual abuse over a year ago, 1166 01:12:19,877 --> 01:12:22,755 and we'd been continuously told by Steve Penny 1167 01:12:23,255 --> 01:12:24,548 we cannot talk about this 1168 01:12:24,631 --> 01:12:27,509 because it'll ruin their investigation of Larry Nassar. 1169 01:12:28,719 --> 01:12:30,679 But nobody was helping me. 1170 01:12:30,763 --> 01:12:33,599 I wasn't getting any guidance. I'd had enough. 1171 01:12:34,224 --> 01:12:37,561 So then, in The IndyStar, I saw John Manly's name, 1172 01:12:37,644 --> 01:12:39,855 and it said he had been working with victims. 1173 01:12:39,938 --> 01:12:41,607 And I immediately contacted him. 1174 01:12:47,863 --> 01:12:52,034 Within a week of The IndyStar story being published, 1175 01:12:52,117 --> 01:12:53,869 Gina Nichols e-mailed me. 1176 01:12:53,952 --> 01:12:56,121 Didn't know who she was. I didn't know who Maggie was. 1177 01:12:56,205 --> 01:13:00,626 But she told me the story and told me that her daughter had reported in June of 2015. 1178 01:13:01,168 --> 01:13:02,211 And then I knew 1179 01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:04,922 exactly who I was dealing with. 1180 01:13:05,005 --> 01:13:09,009 I was dealing with an organization that didn't give a rat's ass about children, 1181 01:13:09,093 --> 01:13:13,555 that cared only about itself, and that was covering up rape. 1182 01:13:15,724 --> 01:13:20,020 So when Jamie, Rachael, and Jessica reported Nassar's abuse 1183 01:13:20,104 --> 01:13:22,523 to The IndyStar in 2016 1184 01:13:23,232 --> 01:13:25,734 that was the first time it was reported to the public. 1185 01:13:26,235 --> 01:13:29,696 This wasn't the first time USAG heard about Nassar's abuse. 1186 01:13:30,322 --> 01:13:33,867 They knew in June of 2015 1187 01:13:34,618 --> 01:13:40,124 when Maggie Nichols tells her coach that, "Larry Nassar's touching me funny," 1188 01:13:40,749 --> 01:13:43,103 who then should have reported to the police, but she didn't. 1189 01:13:43,127 --> 01:13:45,504 She reports it to Rhonda Faehn, 1190 01:13:45,587 --> 01:13:47,881 who should have reported it to the police, but she didn't, 1191 01:13:47,965 --> 01:13:49,842 who then reports it to Steve Penny, 1192 01:13:49,925 --> 01:13:52,761 who should have reported it to the police, but he didn't. 1193 01:13:53,053 --> 01:13:55,597 And their lawyers had them hire somebody 1194 01:13:55,681 --> 01:13:58,892 who investigates sexual harassment cases at workplaces. 1195 01:13:59,518 --> 01:14:01,520 And she interviewed Maggie Nichols. 1196 01:14:01,603 --> 01:14:05,149 And then she interviewed Olympians Aly Raisman, 1197 01:14:05,691 --> 01:14:07,317 and Mckayla Maroney. 1198 01:14:09,445 --> 01:14:13,991 Aly Raisman reported that Dr. Nassar had sexually abused Mckayla 1199 01:14:14,074 --> 01:14:17,828 in their residence at the Olympic Village in London in 2012. 1200 01:14:20,497 --> 01:14:25,794 It was five weeks between the time Maggie reported to USAG 1201 01:14:25,878 --> 01:14:28,839 and when Mr. Penny finally told the FBI. 1202 01:14:29,548 --> 01:14:33,469 That's a direct violation of Indiana and Texas law. 1203 01:14:34,636 --> 01:14:38,140 But then, for some reason, the FBI took no action. 1204 01:14:39,641 --> 01:14:42,603 Nothing happened in October, in November, 1205 01:14:42,686 --> 01:14:46,231 in December, in January, February, March, April, May. 1206 01:14:46,315 --> 01:14:49,109 All this time, Nassar is working at Michigan State. 1207 01:14:49,193 --> 01:14:52,863 He's molesting girls, uh, that entire time. 1208 01:14:53,780 --> 01:14:54,780 Thirteen months. 1209 01:15:04,041 --> 01:15:06,418 When the Nassar story came out, 1210 01:15:06,502 --> 01:15:09,213 we were trying to get on to the bigger story 1211 01:15:09,296 --> 01:15:12,674 of what's wrong at USA Gymnastics? 1212 01:15:13,842 --> 01:15:17,846 We wanted to establish that it went far beyond Nassar. 1213 01:15:18,347 --> 01:15:22,851 We knew it did because of what we were finding out about the culture. 1214 01:15:27,231 --> 01:15:28,857 Okay, so there are some issues 1215 01:15:28,941 --> 01:15:30,567 - with the timeline. - I figured. 1216 01:15:31,276 --> 01:15:36,823 Both the laws in Texas and Indiana require someone to report immediately. 1217 01:15:37,407 --> 01:15:41,954 And there's somehow that there's questions about whether USA Gymnastics, 1218 01:15:42,037 --> 01:15:43,956 - uh... did that. - Right. 1219 01:15:44,039 --> 01:15:46,792 But what I'm hoping you guys can do 1220 01:15:46,875 --> 01:15:51,463 is sort of go in there and actually just write it like that, to say 1221 01:15:51,547 --> 01:15:55,300 there's evidence that they were trying to keep things quiet from the start 1222 01:15:55,384 --> 01:15:58,637 and then... then start showing that evidence. 1223 01:16:03,767 --> 01:16:06,895 USA Gymnastics has said that they did take action. 1224 01:16:07,396 --> 01:16:11,650 They felt that they took action by launching this internal investigation, 1225 01:16:11,733 --> 01:16:14,194 hiring somebody to look into these allegations. 1226 01:16:14,278 --> 01:16:17,614 In doing so, interviewing people over a five-week period 1227 01:16:17,698 --> 01:16:19,449 before they reported to the FBI. 1228 01:16:19,533 --> 01:16:20,784 What do you think? 1229 01:16:21,493 --> 01:16:26,081 I think that the law, as it relates to mandatory reporting, is pretty clear 1230 01:16:26,164 --> 01:16:28,417 that you should err on the side of the child 1231 01:16:28,500 --> 01:16:31,169 and report allegations to authorities immediately. 1232 01:16:31,253 --> 01:16:32,588 That's what the law says. 1233 01:16:36,174 --> 01:16:38,885 As we looked deeper into Maggie Nichols' story, 1234 01:16:38,969 --> 01:16:44,433 we got a large dump of documents from one of our colleagues in Lansing, Michigan. 1235 01:16:45,017 --> 01:16:49,730 And there were hundreds of pages, including a half dozen or so e-mails. 1236 01:16:51,023 --> 01:16:53,900 This is a July 22, 2015 e-mail. 1237 01:16:55,068 --> 01:16:58,947 So this was after Maggie had reported to USA Gymnastics. 1238 01:16:59,698 --> 01:17:00,907 Records that we reviewed 1239 01:17:00,991 --> 01:17:04,244 showed that one e-mail was sent to USA Gymnastics' attorney. 1240 01:17:04,328 --> 01:17:08,624 Nassar had shared links to some graphic videos 1241 01:17:08,707 --> 01:17:12,127 of him performing what he deemed were medical procedures 1242 01:17:12,210 --> 01:17:15,714 to defend himself from allegations of abuse. 1243 01:17:15,797 --> 01:17:18,300 Once you find the tender point, you can stay on it. 1244 01:17:18,383 --> 01:17:21,637 I think anybody that saw that and was a reasonable person 1245 01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:24,806 and cared about kids would have taken some action immediately. 1246 01:17:26,141 --> 01:17:29,227 And there were other e-mails between Nassar 1247 01:17:29,311 --> 01:17:31,521 and a couple of USA Gymnastics officials. 1248 01:17:32,356 --> 01:17:34,191 Pretty soon, we're fishing those out 1249 01:17:34,274 --> 01:17:36,485 and looking at this timeline we've created 1250 01:17:36,568 --> 01:17:39,613 of, you know, these lies they were telling to cover for him. 1251 01:17:39,696 --> 01:17:43,158 And it says, "We explained on the call, USA Gymnastics has been made aware 1252 01:17:43,241 --> 01:17:45,535 of concerns regarding some of your therapy techniques 1253 01:17:45,619 --> 01:17:48,339 and that athletes aren't comfortable with certain areas of their body 1254 01:17:48,413 --> 01:17:49,623 that are being treated." 1255 01:17:49,706 --> 01:17:52,376 "In addition, we suggest, prior to the championships, 1256 01:17:52,459 --> 01:17:55,587 that Ron Galimore will once again advise the medical staff, 1257 01:17:55,671 --> 01:17:59,341 the athlete care coordinator, that you cannot attend for personal reasons, 1258 01:17:59,424 --> 01:18:03,220 unless you prefer a different approach that we are prepared to discuss." 1259 01:18:04,221 --> 01:18:06,306 All right. All right, thank you. Bye. 1260 01:18:06,932 --> 01:18:10,727 So tell me what the... What's the headline? What's the lede? 1261 01:18:11,228 --> 01:18:15,732 USA Gymnastics, in negotiating, basically, with Larry, 1262 01:18:15,816 --> 01:18:18,443 agreed to lie to people and say that he was sick, 1263 01:18:18,527 --> 01:18:22,364 and that's why he couldn't go to a particular competition. 1264 01:18:22,447 --> 01:18:25,409 - Mm-hmm. - So that... I mean, that shows a cover-up. 1265 01:18:26,910 --> 01:18:28,203 It's a pretty good story. 1266 01:18:28,286 --> 01:18:30,664 How many co... were copied on the e-mail? 1267 01:18:30,747 --> 01:18:35,335 Three. It was Larry, Rybacki, and Karolyi. 1268 01:18:42,008 --> 01:18:45,137 Since the initial allegations became public this month, 1269 01:18:45,220 --> 01:18:47,180 the Michigan State University police 1270 01:18:47,264 --> 01:18:50,976 have received two dozen complaints of sexual abuse against Nassar. 1271 01:18:51,059 --> 01:18:55,063 As the complaints came in this month, Nassar was fired from MSU, 1272 01:18:55,147 --> 01:18:57,232 but he has not been charged with a crime. 1273 01:18:58,567 --> 01:19:00,967 The two biggest fears I had coming forward was 1274 01:19:01,027 --> 01:19:03,822 the investigator that I would get and the prosecutor, 1275 01:19:03,905 --> 01:19:07,451 because both of them are capable of completely derailing the process 1276 01:19:07,534 --> 01:19:09,870 if they don't take it seriously, don't investigate it well, 1277 01:19:09,953 --> 01:19:11,580 and if they choose not to file charges. 1278 01:19:15,459 --> 01:19:17,961 John Manly filed the civil lawsuits 1279 01:19:18,044 --> 01:19:21,923 against Michigan State and USAG, USOC. 1280 01:19:22,007 --> 01:19:25,218 And he represented those victims in their civil litigation. 1281 01:19:25,302 --> 01:19:29,014 I played the role of the lead prosecutor in the criminal case 1282 01:19:29,097 --> 01:19:31,808 of the People of the State of Michigan v. Larry Nassar 1283 01:19:31,892 --> 01:19:37,731 and, um, worked with and represented, um, those victims in court as the prosecutor. 1284 01:19:37,814 --> 01:19:40,984 Andrea and Angela worked very closely together. 1285 01:19:41,067 --> 01:19:43,820 And Angela looked at the files, and she said. 1286 01:19:44,446 --> 01:19:47,949 "I will take them all, and I will fight for every one of them." 1287 01:19:48,700 --> 01:19:49,700 And she did. 1288 01:19:54,331 --> 01:19:56,500 This is a neighborhood in Holt, Michigan. 1289 01:19:56,583 --> 01:19:59,628 It's not far from MSU's campus, um, 1290 01:19:59,711 --> 01:20:00,837 where he lived. 1291 01:20:02,047 --> 01:20:05,217 And we had gotten information from some victims 1292 01:20:05,300 --> 01:20:08,470 that reported he was doing medical treatments 1293 01:20:08,553 --> 01:20:10,055 in the basement of his home. 1294 01:20:10,555 --> 01:20:13,225 And, during that time, he was sexually abusing them. 1295 01:20:13,308 --> 01:20:17,187 Um, there was also another victim who was not a medical patient 1296 01:20:17,270 --> 01:20:19,439 that he had sexually abused in the basement. 1297 01:20:19,856 --> 01:20:21,358 And based on that information, 1298 01:20:21,441 --> 01:20:23,985 we were able to get search warrants for his house. 1299 01:20:26,112 --> 01:20:29,866 We executed the search warrant on September 20th, 2016. 1300 01:20:33,161 --> 01:20:36,540 One of our crime scene investigators came in midday 1301 01:20:36,623 --> 01:20:38,667 and said, "The trash hasn't been picked up yet. 1302 01:20:38,750 --> 01:20:41,190 It's still out by the curb, and all the trash is still in it." 1303 01:20:41,503 --> 01:20:43,129 So we did what's called a trash pull. 1304 01:20:44,506 --> 01:20:47,008 Inside the trash, there were several hard drives 1305 01:20:47,592 --> 01:20:51,054 with his name and phone number written on them in Sharpie. 1306 01:20:53,056 --> 01:20:57,060 That's where the first images of child sexually abusive material 1307 01:20:57,644 --> 01:20:59,980 commonly referred to as child porn, were found. 1308 01:21:03,608 --> 01:21:05,652 Thirty-seven thousand images. 1309 01:21:10,156 --> 01:21:13,827 Michigan State University and Team USA Gymnastics doctor, 1310 01:21:13,910 --> 01:21:16,288 Larry Nassar, has been arrested. 1311 01:21:16,371 --> 01:21:20,458 Nassar will be charged with three counts of first-degree criminal sexual conduct 1312 01:21:20,542 --> 01:21:24,379 with someone younger than 13. Attorney General Bill Schuette is... 1313 01:21:24,462 --> 01:21:28,008 We were looking toward trial, um, and preparing for that. 1314 01:21:28,675 --> 01:21:32,053 And... and we really looked at what could get the highest sentence for him. 1315 01:21:32,137 --> 01:21:35,515 In Michigan, we have a statute that, if you have a victim under 13 1316 01:21:35,599 --> 01:21:38,310 and she's penetrated, it's a 25-year mandatory minimum. 1317 01:21:40,145 --> 01:21:42,731 And then we identified those cases that we thought were strongest 1318 01:21:42,814 --> 01:21:45,066 and brought those in February of 2017. 1319 01:21:45,859 --> 01:21:49,905 Those victims knew to report because of Rachael's disclosure. 1320 01:21:50,572 --> 01:21:53,700 She, you know, at that point, was the only public face. 1321 01:21:54,326 --> 01:21:56,620 Do you swear or affirm that the... 1322 01:21:56,703 --> 01:22:00,123 When a victim comes to report a sexual assault, it's a scary thing 1323 01:22:00,206 --> 01:22:03,960 because they're giving up so much control by telling someone what happened to them. 1324 01:22:04,461 --> 01:22:07,464 But each of the survivors were very determined 1325 01:22:08,465 --> 01:22:10,425 to make it very clear to everybody 1326 01:22:11,343 --> 01:22:12,385 what really went on. 1327 01:22:17,849 --> 01:22:20,852 What ended up happening is he made a plea deal 1328 01:22:21,645 --> 01:22:25,023 where he agreed to plead guilty to the possession of child pornography, 1329 01:22:25,231 --> 01:22:27,525 to willfully destroying evidence, 1330 01:22:28,109 --> 01:22:31,071 and a couple of other charges, in exchange for the dismissal 1331 01:22:31,154 --> 01:22:34,407 of traveling with intent to commit a sexual assault overseas, 1332 01:22:34,491 --> 01:22:36,326 which is a violation of federal law. 1333 01:22:42,916 --> 01:22:45,293 Good morning, Your Honor. Angela Povilaitis. 1334 01:22:45,377 --> 01:22:46,544 On behalf of the people 1335 01:22:46,628 --> 01:22:49,047 and the Michigan Department of Attorney General, 1336 01:22:49,130 --> 01:22:50,441 I will let the other attorneys... 1337 01:22:50,465 --> 01:22:53,802 We were able to lay out the terms of the sentencing range. 1338 01:22:54,844 --> 01:22:57,639 But we also wanted victim buy-in. Like, we wanted them, 1339 01:22:58,056 --> 01:23:02,644 all 125, if possible, to be okay with this plea. 1340 01:23:02,727 --> 01:23:06,564 So essential to any plea agreement 1341 01:23:06,648 --> 01:23:11,236 was that he had to agree to allow all of the victims, 1342 01:23:11,319 --> 01:23:13,446 if they chose, to give an impact statement. 1343 01:23:15,031 --> 01:23:18,410 So that was something, quite frankly, I am really proud about. 1344 01:23:19,244 --> 01:23:22,664 If I may, our first survivor to speak today, Your Honor, 1345 01:23:22,747 --> 01:23:26,376 is a former, um, national team member, and I'm very happy that she's here. 1346 01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:28,503 Her name is Jamie Dantzscher. 1347 01:23:29,004 --> 01:23:31,256 Thank you. What would you like us to know? 1348 01:23:33,633 --> 01:23:37,554 Larry, you saw all the physical, mental, and emotional abuse 1349 01:23:37,637 --> 01:23:40,640 from our coaches and USAG national staff. 1350 01:23:41,891 --> 01:23:45,478 You pretended to be on my side, calling all of them the monsters. 1351 01:23:46,855 --> 01:23:50,942 But instead of protecting children and reporting the abuse you saw 1352 01:23:51,568 --> 01:23:56,156 you used your position of power to manipulate and abuse as well. 1353 01:23:57,073 --> 01:23:58,992 You knew I was powerless. 1354 01:24:02,203 --> 01:24:03,203 Mmm. 1355 01:24:04,456 --> 01:24:09,544 I'm here today with all these other women, not victims, but survivors 1356 01:24:10,253 --> 01:24:15,675 to tell you face-to-face that your days of manipulation are over. 1357 01:24:16,926 --> 01:24:18,219 We have a voice now. 1358 01:24:18,928 --> 01:24:20,847 We have the power now. 1359 01:24:23,516 --> 01:24:25,769 As an Olympic gymnast 1360 01:24:26,478 --> 01:24:29,147 being able to say... 1361 01:24:29,856 --> 01:24:32,317 "You have no power over me anymore." 1362 01:24:33,610 --> 01:24:37,405 I can finally say I am proud to be an Olympian. 1363 01:24:39,074 --> 01:24:40,658 It's been so hard to be 1364 01:24:41,326 --> 01:24:42,744 proud of anything. 1365 01:24:43,870 --> 01:24:46,956 So to even say that, for me, is like, "Okay. 1366 01:24:47,749 --> 01:24:51,377 I think I'm getting a little better. I feel proud of something." 1367 01:24:52,128 --> 01:24:54,688 Judge, the first victim will be publicly identified, 1368 01:24:54,756 --> 01:24:56,508 and her name is Ms. Kyle Stephens. 1369 01:24:56,591 --> 01:24:58,510 She has asked for two support persons. 1370 01:24:58,593 --> 01:25:00,637 I will be standing in support of her. 1371 01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:03,681 The next survivor you will hear from is Amanda Thomashow. 1372 01:25:03,765 --> 01:25:06,392 She has authorized to be publicly identified. 1373 01:25:06,893 --> 01:25:09,646 Your Honor, the next survivor you will hear from is Larissa Boyce. 1374 01:25:09,729 --> 01:25:12,107 She is going to be publicly identified. 1375 01:25:12,649 --> 01:25:16,361 I told Michigan State University back in 1997. 1376 01:25:18,655 --> 01:25:20,198 Instead of being protected. 1377 01:25:20,824 --> 01:25:23,576 I was humiliated, I was in trouble, 1378 01:25:23,660 --> 01:25:26,538 and brainwashed into believing that I was the problem. 1379 01:25:28,373 --> 01:25:32,752 Every time Angela stood up and said, "Survivor XYZ is coming forward, 1380 01:25:32,836 --> 01:25:34,587 and she has decided to speak publicly..." 1381 01:25:35,255 --> 01:25:38,007 That was just an incredibly powerful statement every single time. 1382 01:25:38,633 --> 01:25:40,552 Because it meant that they felt safe enough. 1383 01:25:40,635 --> 01:25:44,222 And it meant that they were able to put the shame not on themselves, 1384 01:25:44,305 --> 01:25:45,348 but on their abuser. 1385 01:25:47,517 --> 01:25:50,562 Olympic gold medalist Simone Biles is going public today, 1386 01:25:50,645 --> 01:25:55,191 saying she was among the athletes who were sexually abused by Larry Nassar. 1387 01:25:55,275 --> 01:25:57,694 Several Olympic champions have also come forward, 1388 01:25:57,777 --> 01:26:00,864 including Aly Raisman, Mckayla Maroney and Gabby Douglas. 1389 01:26:00,947 --> 01:26:03,867 Maggie Nichols first came forward more than two years ago, 1390 01:26:03,950 --> 01:26:07,203 but her identity has not been publicly known until now. 1391 01:26:12,083 --> 01:26:14,294 Maggie did not want to be here today. 1392 01:26:14,377 --> 01:26:15,795 She is a full-time student, 1393 01:26:15,879 --> 01:26:19,257 and she's training as a full-time athlete still for the University of Oklahoma. 1394 01:26:19,340 --> 01:26:21,092 So this is... It's too painful. 1395 01:26:21,593 --> 01:26:26,681 So I'm gonna read, um, the statement from... that she put out to the public. 1396 01:26:27,432 --> 01:26:30,435 "USA Gymnastics and the United States Olympic Committee 1397 01:26:30,518 --> 01:26:32,812 did not provide a safe environment 1398 01:26:32,896 --> 01:26:35,690 for me and my teammates and friends to train. 1399 01:26:35,773 --> 01:26:40,486 We were subjected to Dr. Larry Nassar at every national team training camp, 1400 01:26:40,570 --> 01:26:42,864 which occurred monthly at the Karolyi Ranch. 1401 01:26:43,531 --> 01:26:47,285 Up until now, I was identified as Athlete A 1402 01:26:47,368 --> 01:26:50,330 by USA Gymnastics, the United States Olympic Committee, 1403 01:26:50,413 --> 01:26:52,040 and Michigan State University. 1404 01:26:52,123 --> 01:26:55,376 And I want everyone to know that he did not do this to Athlete A. 1405 01:26:55,460 --> 01:26:57,295 "He did it to Maggie Nichols." 1406 01:26:57,378 --> 01:26:59,297 Thank you so much for being here. 1407 01:27:13,269 --> 01:27:14,604 Watching them 1408 01:27:16,814 --> 01:27:18,066 support each other 1409 01:27:18,650 --> 01:27:21,319 and... and just that momentum of empowerment 1410 01:27:22,528 --> 01:27:23,780 was incredible. 1411 01:27:25,365 --> 01:27:27,450 I'm not gonna look at her. She's gonna make me cry. 1412 01:27:29,953 --> 01:27:31,537 I am so honored 1413 01:27:31,913 --> 01:27:35,416 to let you know that the next person you will hear from 1414 01:27:35,500 --> 01:27:36,751 is Rachael Denhollander. 1415 01:27:42,131 --> 01:27:43,811 There are two major purposes 1416 01:27:43,841 --> 01:27:46,052 in our criminal justice system, Your Honor. 1417 01:27:46,135 --> 01:27:49,764 The pursuit of justice and the protection of the innocent. 1418 01:27:50,473 --> 01:27:52,475 Neither of these purposes can be met 1419 01:27:52,558 --> 01:27:55,436 if anything less than the maximum available sentence 1420 01:27:55,520 --> 01:27:58,314 under the plea agreement is imposed upon Larry for his crimes. 1421 01:27:59,732 --> 01:28:02,944 So I ask... how much priority should be placed 1422 01:28:03,027 --> 01:28:05,863 on communicating that the fullest weight of the law 1423 01:28:05,947 --> 01:28:08,199 will be used to protect another innocent child 1424 01:28:08,283 --> 01:28:11,452 from the soul-shattering devastation that sexual assault brings? 1425 01:28:12,287 --> 01:28:15,123 I submit to you that these children are worth everything. 1426 01:28:16,040 --> 01:28:18,710 Worth every protection the law can offer. 1427 01:28:19,294 --> 01:28:20,920 Worth the maximum sentence. 1428 01:28:22,088 --> 01:28:23,088 Thank you. 1429 01:28:50,366 --> 01:28:53,077 It's the most incredible thing I've ever seen as a lawyer. 1430 01:28:53,661 --> 01:28:56,539 It's the most incredible thing I've ever seen in my life. 1431 01:29:00,043 --> 01:29:02,754 He received two 60-year sentences 1432 01:29:02,837 --> 01:29:06,299 and, uh, you know, the tongue-lashing of the century. 1433 01:29:09,761 --> 01:29:12,055 Now, what people don't realize is that, 1434 01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:16,392 for almost every one of these girls, this is their first sexual experience. 1435 01:29:17,310 --> 01:29:22,273 And when you take the ability to love and express love from somebody 1436 01:29:22,357 --> 01:29:24,359 and take it away or damage it 1437 01:29:24,942 --> 01:29:26,944 it profoundly affects their psyche. 1438 01:29:27,612 --> 01:29:29,572 And, at... at the end of the day 1439 01:29:30,114 --> 01:29:31,699 that's really what he did. 1440 01:29:32,241 --> 01:29:35,745 He stole that part of them. 1441 01:29:36,496 --> 01:29:38,748 And they're all struggling to get it back. 1442 01:29:41,042 --> 01:29:43,669 And most of them should never have met Larry Nassar, 1443 01:29:43,753 --> 01:29:46,631 had the people in charge of him just done the right thing. 1444 01:29:47,173 --> 01:29:48,841 And the piece that's missing 1445 01:29:49,550 --> 01:29:52,011 is the accountability for those who knew better 1446 01:29:52,095 --> 01:29:55,723 and... the adults who were suppose to protect these athletes 1447 01:29:55,807 --> 01:29:57,558 and these women and these girls. 1448 01:29:57,642 --> 01:29:59,644 And, um, we don't have that yet. 1449 01:30:05,691 --> 01:30:09,612 Clearly, USA Gymnastics was not anxious to have this in public. 1450 01:30:10,738 --> 01:30:14,033 They succeeded for a year in keeping an absolute lid on it. 1451 01:30:15,535 --> 01:30:18,788 And what I found out is Mckayla Maroney 1452 01:30:18,871 --> 01:30:21,249 was forced to sign a nondisclosure agreement. 1453 01:30:22,083 --> 01:30:26,337 And I believe they required other athletes who were victims of Dr. Nassar 1454 01:30:26,421 --> 01:30:27,547 to sign NDAs. 1455 01:30:29,924 --> 01:30:33,511 This was a full-court press by USA Gymnastics to keep this quiet 1456 01:30:33,594 --> 01:30:35,096 and to minimize the damage. 1457 01:30:37,348 --> 01:30:41,894 We began this process in January following the disgusting revelations 1458 01:30:41,978 --> 01:30:44,981 that former USA Gymnastics team doctor Larry Nassar 1459 01:30:45,481 --> 01:30:49,402 sexually abused hundreds of athletes over the span of two decades, 1460 01:30:50,069 --> 01:30:55,032 even well after numerous survivors alerted authorities about his actions. 1461 01:30:55,783 --> 01:30:58,744 As we now know, many of our American Olympians, 1462 01:30:58,828 --> 01:31:02,331 who stood tall in representing our nation in the international stage, 1463 01:31:02,415 --> 01:31:04,292 were suffering behind the scenes. 1464 01:31:08,838 --> 01:31:12,758 We're right in the middle of, uh, finishing up a story 1465 01:31:12,842 --> 01:31:16,929 that's based on e-mails that were going back and forth 1466 01:31:17,013 --> 01:31:21,017 between USA Gymnastics and Larry Nassar, in which they basically... 1467 01:31:21,100 --> 01:31:23,060 After all those women 1468 01:31:23,644 --> 01:31:28,107 gave their testimony in that courtroom at his sentencing, 1469 01:31:28,191 --> 01:31:30,318 we kept our nose to the grindstone. 1470 01:31:30,860 --> 01:31:32,778 I mean, we were just like 1471 01:31:33,696 --> 01:31:35,323 going full bore. 1472 01:31:35,907 --> 01:31:39,577 Nassar wasn't our target. Our target was USA Gymnastics. 1473 01:31:41,787 --> 01:31:46,459 USAG struggles to restructure and reinvent itself amid allegations 1474 01:31:46,542 --> 01:31:50,546 it turned a blind eye and even covered up rampant sexual abuse 1475 01:31:50,630 --> 01:31:52,715 by former team doctor Larry Nassar. 1476 01:31:53,716 --> 01:31:56,385 Um, I'll begin with the questions. 1477 01:31:56,469 --> 01:31:58,679 And I'm gonna begin with you, uh, Mr. Penny. 1478 01:31:59,722 --> 01:32:01,849 Former gymnastics doctor Larry Nassar 1479 01:32:01,933 --> 01:32:05,311 was convicted of criminal sexual conduct with gymnasts, 1480 01:32:05,394 --> 01:32:08,314 including members of the USA national team. 1481 01:32:09,524 --> 01:32:12,735 My understanding is that you were first informed about this abuse 1482 01:32:12,818 --> 01:32:15,071 on June 17, 2015. 1483 01:32:15,154 --> 01:32:16,155 Is that correct? 1484 01:32:17,615 --> 01:32:22,411 Uh, Mr. Chairman, um, with respect to you and your question and the committee 1485 01:32:22,954 --> 01:32:25,039 uh, I have been instructed by my attorney 1486 01:32:25,122 --> 01:32:28,376 to assert my rights under the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution. 1487 01:32:28,876 --> 01:32:32,630 For that reason, I must respectfully decline to answer your question. 1488 01:32:38,928 --> 01:32:41,430 As we started doing more reporting 1489 01:32:41,514 --> 01:32:46,644 on Steve Penny's handling of the allegations against Larry Nassar, 1490 01:32:46,727 --> 01:32:51,274 we started looking more closely at his relationships with law enforcement. 1491 01:32:53,943 --> 01:32:57,071 At the same time the FBI was investigating Nassar, 1492 01:32:57,697 --> 01:32:59,907 Penny was talking to him about a job. 1493 01:33:00,449 --> 01:33:03,786 This is not the only instance in which the relationship between USA Gymnastics 1494 01:33:03,869 --> 01:33:06,914 and law enforcement agencies in Indianapolis was called into question. 1495 01:33:06,998 --> 01:33:08,249 - Yeah. - Okay. 1496 01:33:09,500 --> 01:33:12,336 Penny sought to cultivate a close relationship 1497 01:33:12,420 --> 01:33:16,299 with federal investigators to protect the image of USA Gymnastics, 1498 01:33:16,382 --> 01:33:20,177 going so far as to offer a job to one of the FBI agents. 1499 01:33:22,346 --> 01:33:28,102 Mr. Penny, I respect your right to invoke your Fifth Amendment privilege. 1500 01:33:29,186 --> 01:33:30,187 You have that right. 1501 01:33:30,938 --> 01:33:32,690 But you also have a responsibility. 1502 01:33:33,190 --> 01:33:35,735 You were part of an organization 1503 01:33:36,235 --> 01:33:41,073 that, in effect, prioritized medals and money over 1504 01:33:42,533 --> 01:33:46,996 the young women and girls who were sexually abused by. 1505 01:33:47,913 --> 01:33:48,913 Mr. Nassar. 1506 01:33:49,540 --> 01:33:53,002 Don't you feel you have a responsibility to the athletes who are here today 1507 01:33:53,085 --> 01:33:54,712 and to others around the country 1508 01:33:55,171 --> 01:33:56,422 to be more forthcoming? 1509 01:33:58,674 --> 01:34:01,969 Respectfully, senator, I would like to answer your question. 1510 01:34:02,762 --> 01:34:04,482 However, I've been instructed by my attorney 1511 01:34:04,555 --> 01:34:07,892 to assert my rights under the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution. 1512 01:34:07,975 --> 01:34:12,313 Mr. Penny, may I assume that it is your intent to invoke that privilege, 1513 01:34:12,396 --> 01:34:14,148 uh, in further questioning? 1514 01:34:14,231 --> 01:34:15,231 Yes. 1515 01:34:15,524 --> 01:34:17,924 Let the record reflect that you have availed yourself 1516 01:34:17,985 --> 01:34:20,005 of the privileges afforded under the Fifth Amendment 1517 01:34:20,029 --> 01:34:21,364 to the United States Constitution 1518 01:34:21,447 --> 01:34:23,866 not to give testimony that might incriminate you. 1519 01:34:25,242 --> 01:34:26,744 Mr. Penny, you're excused. 1520 01:34:35,127 --> 01:34:36,127 Shame! 1521 01:34:39,632 --> 01:34:42,752 What would you like to say to the women that were abused while you were silent? 1522 01:34:46,889 --> 01:34:48,849 You have anything to say to the survivors? 1523 01:34:58,317 --> 01:35:00,945 Okay. Go ahead and write that up. I'm gonna ask Curly 1524 01:35:01,028 --> 01:35:04,323 - about, uh, this photo that we've got. - Of what? 1525 01:35:04,865 --> 01:35:07,368 It's of him being arrested. 1526 01:35:07,451 --> 01:35:08,953 - We got a photo of him? - Yeah. 1527 01:35:09,036 --> 01:35:10,746 See, there's the picture. It's. 1528 01:35:11,706 --> 01:35:14,917 I'm worried that New York Times is coming out with it. 1529 01:35:15,000 --> 01:35:17,795 Could we go tonight? I mean, do we have enough? 1530 01:35:20,047 --> 01:35:22,967 A major new arrest in the USA Gymnastics scandal tonight. 1531 01:35:23,050 --> 01:35:24,802 The organization's former president 1532 01:35:24,885 --> 01:35:27,304 was arrested at a cabin in Tennessee overnight, 1533 01:35:27,388 --> 01:35:29,181 more than a year after he resigned. 1534 01:35:29,265 --> 01:35:33,269 The US Marshals Service arresting a former leader of USA Gymnastics 1535 01:35:33,352 --> 01:35:36,439 after hunting him down at a cabin in Tennessee. 1536 01:35:36,522 --> 01:35:39,233 Authorities accusing him of tampering with evidence 1537 01:35:39,316 --> 01:35:43,154 in the case against disgraced former gymnastics doctor, Larry Nassar. 1538 01:36:01,172 --> 01:36:03,507 So far so good for Maggie Nichols. 1539 01:36:03,591 --> 01:36:05,551 Maggie was second in the world 1540 01:36:06,135 --> 01:36:08,721 in the all-around in 2015. 1541 01:36:10,139 --> 01:36:14,351 And yet mysteriously left off the 2016 Olympic team, 1542 01:36:14,435 --> 01:36:16,812 did not even earn an alternate spot. 1543 01:36:17,313 --> 01:36:21,484 So she has all the capabilities of every one of those young ladies 1544 01:36:21,567 --> 01:36:24,195 who came home from Rio with an Olympic gold medal. 1545 01:36:26,197 --> 01:36:30,868 After the 2016 Olympic trials, I decided to retire from elite gymnastics 1546 01:36:30,951 --> 01:36:33,496 and move on to NCAA gymnastics, 1547 01:36:33,579 --> 01:36:37,041 where I had the opportunity to compete for the University of Oklahoma. 1548 01:36:39,585 --> 01:36:40,961 In 2017, 1549 01:36:41,045 --> 01:36:42,755 I was the last person to go. 1550 01:36:42,838 --> 01:36:46,342 And so I did probably the best vault that I did the whole season. 1551 01:36:55,643 --> 01:36:57,686 I've never experienced anything like that before, 1552 01:36:57,770 --> 01:37:00,606 and that was probably one of the best moments of my life. 1553 01:37:08,781 --> 01:37:11,492 I think that it was a huge awakening for her, 1554 01:37:11,575 --> 01:37:15,329 because, all of a sudden, she gets there, they're nice to her. 1555 01:37:15,913 --> 01:37:18,958 Gymnastics is fun. The coaches are super good. 1556 01:37:19,041 --> 01:37:21,669 Oh, the healthcare providers are really, really good. 1557 01:37:21,752 --> 01:37:24,672 It's not like it was when she was on the elite team. 1558 01:37:31,428 --> 01:37:35,266 Maggie took all the negatives and aimed them into a positive and 1559 01:37:35,933 --> 01:37:37,059 went to Oklahoma, 1560 01:37:37,685 --> 01:37:38,727 and gave it her all. 1561 01:37:41,188 --> 01:37:43,440 She beat them all on every event 1562 01:37:43,524 --> 01:37:45,943 at every meet for the entire year. 1563 01:37:55,286 --> 01:37:56,721 When they brought the trophy over, 1564 01:37:56,745 --> 01:37:58,873 so I think that's kind of the moment that was just 1565 01:37:59,456 --> 01:38:01,876 indescribable. It was amazing. 1566 01:38:07,798 --> 01:38:11,176 Maggie! Come on, Maggie! Go, Maggie! 1567 01:38:14,054 --> 01:38:15,054 Yeah! 1568 01:38:16,432 --> 01:38:18,517 Elite gymnastics just kind of 1569 01:38:19,143 --> 01:38:20,144 beat me down, 1570 01:38:21,312 --> 01:38:24,899 but I've grown as a person and as a woman. 1571 01:38:27,109 --> 01:38:29,069 I found a love for the sport again. 1572 01:38:49,131 --> 01:38:52,551 Were you ever advised by any USAG official, 1573 01:38:52,635 --> 01:38:55,721 in or around June of 2015, 1574 01:38:55,804 --> 01:38:59,391 that they had received a complaint that Dr. Nassar 1575 01:38:59,475 --> 01:39:02,853 had molested a national team gymnast at the ranch? 1576 01:39:04,313 --> 01:39:05,481 Yes, I did. 1577 01:39:05,564 --> 01:39:07,775 And who reported that to you, ma'am? 1578 01:39:08,275 --> 01:39:09,275 Mr. Penny. 1579 01:39:09,735 --> 01:39:10,735 Okay. 1580 01:39:11,070 --> 01:39:14,531 Mrs. Karolyi knew, in June of 2015, 1581 01:39:14,615 --> 01:39:16,951 that Larry Nassar had abused little girls. 1582 01:39:17,534 --> 01:39:21,330 The law in Texas required her to immediately call the police 1583 01:39:21,413 --> 01:39:23,624 or call Child Protective Services and report. 1584 01:39:24,249 --> 01:39:25,376 And she didn't. 1585 01:39:25,876 --> 01:39:28,837 Nor did Rhonda Faehn, the head of the women's program, nor did Mr. Penny. 1586 01:39:29,421 --> 01:39:31,006 That deserves an investigation. 1587 01:39:31,632 --> 01:39:32,632 Other questions? 1588 01:39:53,946 --> 01:39:57,866 USA Gymnastics once wrote to a gymnast 1589 01:39:57,950 --> 01:40:00,995 saying that, if she continued to complain about her coach 1590 01:40:01,620 --> 01:40:03,372 she would be off the team, 1591 01:40:03,789 --> 01:40:06,458 regardless of her performance. 1592 01:40:06,542 --> 01:40:10,087 - And that system is still in place today. - Right. 1593 01:40:10,170 --> 01:40:12,172 They're clinging to a process 1594 01:40:12,256 --> 01:40:15,259 that has been used in the past to silence dissent. 1595 01:40:15,342 --> 01:40:16,593 That's what that says. 133714

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