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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:33,663 --> 00:00:35,404 911, what is your emergency? 2 00:00:36,100 --> 00:00:38,885 Ask them to help us get a National Guard unit. 3 00:00:41,932 --> 00:00:43,977 Maybe with a helicopter to us. 4 00:00:44,021 --> 00:00:46,023 Let's get over to Granby Town Hall! 5 00:00:46,589 --> 00:00:49,896 We need a National Guard unit and a helicopter. 6 00:00:49,940 --> 00:00:54,988 -...through the trees, he's going up towards the fire hole. -Get him blocked. Stop him! 7 00:00:55,032 --> 00:00:57,991 ...or Army National Guard, need a whole lot of people... 8 00:00:58,035 --> 00:01:00,342 - Oh, no! 9 00:01:14,617 --> 00:01:17,837 Hello, my name is Marvin Heemeyer. 10 00:01:18,664 --> 00:01:23,147 Today is April 13th, 2004. 11 00:01:23,191 --> 00:01:28,457 This tape is about my life since I came up here in 1991. 12 00:01:29,501 --> 00:01:31,242 I am making this tape-- 13 00:01:33,288 --> 00:01:34,680 really didn't think it would make any difference if I didn't make it, 14 00:01:34,724 --> 00:01:36,204 but a good friend of mine said I should make it. 15 00:01:37,074 --> 00:01:39,424 Uh, he said I should sit down in front of a videotape machine 16 00:01:39,468 --> 00:01:42,166 and do it, but you're just gonna have to take my word, 17 00:01:42,210 --> 00:01:46,649 this is Marv Heemeyer, serial number 503-68-9471. 18 00:01:46,692 --> 00:01:51,306 I wanna say right now, God bless me in advance 19 00:01:51,349 --> 00:01:54,570 for the task that I am about to undertake. 20 00:01:58,574 --> 00:02:01,968 Marv Heemeyer, he was from South Dakota 21 00:02:02,012 --> 00:02:04,449 and, uh, he served in the Air Force. 22 00:02:05,276 --> 00:02:08,671 He realized that he had a knack for welding, 23 00:02:08,714 --> 00:02:12,414 working on engines, and motors. He was stationed in Colorado 24 00:02:12,457 --> 00:02:15,330 and decided to stay in Colorado when he got out of the Air Force. 25 00:02:16,679 --> 00:02:19,421 I moved up here in the Fall in 1991 26 00:02:19,464 --> 00:02:21,858 to kind of take a six-month vacation. 27 00:02:21,901 --> 00:02:24,077 I decided that, you know, I probably ought to buy 28 00:02:24,121 --> 00:02:26,036 some property up here to have something to do, 29 00:02:26,079 --> 00:02:29,779 so I, uh, looked at this tree lot, 30 00:02:29,822 --> 00:02:32,173 with two little cabins, where I'm living in here right now. 31 00:02:32,216 --> 00:02:35,176 And had a beautiful view. The place was really cheap, 32 00:02:35,219 --> 00:02:36,307 so I bought them. 33 00:02:37,352 --> 00:02:39,092 He worked at a muffler shop. 34 00:02:39,136 --> 00:02:41,356 Moved up very quickly in the business. 35 00:02:41,399 --> 00:02:44,185 At some point he just decided, "Heck, I can do this myself," 36 00:02:44,881 --> 00:02:48,058 and he went out and setup his own muffler shops. 37 00:02:48,101 --> 00:02:50,669 He was able to have income from businesses that 38 00:02:50,713 --> 00:02:53,716 he had started mostly in Northern Denver and Boulder area. 39 00:02:54,586 --> 00:02:57,546 You know, if you got a champagne income with a beer keg, 40 00:02:58,329 --> 00:03:01,114 you're gonna do well. And that's what I've always had. 41 00:03:01,158 --> 00:03:03,204 Always believed that's the way it should be. 42 00:03:03,247 --> 00:03:04,814 That's the only way I could get ahead. 43 00:03:06,642 --> 00:03:09,297 I'm sure he counted pennies in every endeavor he ever undertook, 44 00:03:09,340 --> 00:03:12,517 and he wanted to run businesses well so that they succeeded. 45 00:03:12,561 --> 00:03:13,997 And I think he cared about his craft. 46 00:03:14,563 --> 00:03:16,521 I knew of Marv Heemeyer 47 00:03:16,565 --> 00:03:18,828 because he ran a muffler shop in Granby. 48 00:03:18,871 --> 00:03:21,004 He did a lot of great work for people, 49 00:03:21,047 --> 00:03:23,441 ran that muffler shop for a lot of years. 50 00:03:23,485 --> 00:03:26,444 Uh, I even had work done at his shop. 51 00:03:26,488 --> 00:03:30,187 He had a reputation as being the best welder around. 52 00:03:30,231 --> 00:03:33,059 We put this truck together and the box was bouncing. 53 00:03:33,103 --> 00:03:35,758 I took it down there and said, "Hey, Marv, what do you think?" 54 00:03:35,801 --> 00:03:37,194 And he said, "Oh, I can fix that." 55 00:03:38,761 --> 00:03:40,980 And he grabbed his welder and he ju-ju-ju, you know, 56 00:03:41,024 --> 00:03:44,941 it was done. Never broke, never-- I mean, the guy was a hell of a welder. 57 00:03:44,984 --> 00:03:46,943 He had a great reputation in the town. 58 00:03:46,986 --> 00:03:49,511 I mean, he was an outdoorsman. He loved to snowmobile. 59 00:03:49,554 --> 00:03:52,514 I didn't ever meet anybody who disliked him. 60 00:03:52,557 --> 00:03:54,864 I call it successful. I think I was 61 00:03:54,907 --> 00:03:57,083 a very poor person most of my life, 62 00:03:57,127 --> 00:04:01,131 but I--f--for who I was and th--where I, 63 00:04:01,174 --> 00:04:03,829 what I was, I think I was a very rich man. 64 00:04:03,873 --> 00:04:06,876 And I am thankful to God for giving me that life. 65 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:13,274 I met Marvin in the Lariat Saloon in Grand Lake. 66 00:04:13,926 --> 00:04:18,061 I was there with a friend. He came in and he asked me out. 67 00:04:18,714 --> 00:04:21,456 I had not dated in five years, you know. 68 00:04:21,499 --> 00:04:23,414 My marriage had split up and, um, 69 00:04:23,458 --> 00:04:26,809 but for some reason um, I said yes and 70 00:04:26,852 --> 00:04:31,944 we went out and started seeing each other for several years. 71 00:04:31,988 --> 00:04:34,077 He's old-- he was old school to me. 72 00:04:34,904 --> 00:04:38,516 You know, men aren't-- people-- society doesn't allow that anymore. 73 00:04:39,300 --> 00:04:42,738 You know, he's a handshake's a handshake kind of guy to me. 74 00:04:43,478 --> 00:04:47,090 I mean, he was confident and I thought he was handsome. 75 00:04:47,133 --> 00:04:50,746 And he was larger than life. You know, I felt safe with him. 76 00:04:52,269 --> 00:04:53,923 It's kind of personal, 77 00:04:53,966 --> 00:04:56,708 but he was the first man that I was intimate with 78 00:04:57,274 --> 00:04:58,580 after my marriage. 79 00:04:59,537 --> 00:05:00,886 He was wonderful to me. 80 00:05:03,802 --> 00:05:05,848 He only met my children once, 81 00:05:05,891 --> 00:05:08,329 and he never had children, as you know. 82 00:05:09,373 --> 00:05:14,073 But we did quite a few road trips together and never a dull moment. 83 00:05:18,643 --> 00:05:21,907 Marv loved to snowmobile. 84 00:05:31,134 --> 00:05:35,312 Ah, the Thursday group. Every Thursday they'd take the day off and go ride. 85 00:05:35,356 --> 00:05:37,314 Sometimes you'd have four guys, 86 00:05:37,358 --> 00:05:39,577 sometimes you'd have 24 riders. 87 00:05:42,232 --> 00:05:45,061 Just a great bunch of guys to go out and ride with. 88 00:05:45,104 --> 00:05:47,455 Little Matty was the youngest. 89 00:05:47,498 --> 00:05:50,501 When I started riding with Marv and the Thursday crew, 90 00:05:50,545 --> 00:05:52,024 I was 16 years old. 91 00:05:53,678 --> 00:05:56,464 And these guys were 40, 50. I couldn't drink with them. 92 00:05:56,507 --> 00:05:59,989 I couldn't do any of that stuff. I had to go home to Mom and answer to Mom still. 93 00:06:00,729 --> 00:06:04,123 Marv was in some respects, he took me under his wing. 94 00:06:04,167 --> 00:06:06,691 He helped teach me how to snowmobile, 95 00:06:06,735 --> 00:06:08,519 work on snowmobiles. 96 00:06:08,563 --> 00:06:10,216 He was always a mentor 97 00:06:10,260 --> 00:06:13,219 and always helped, always gave. 98 00:06:13,263 --> 00:06:16,397 He was my best friend. I looked at him as my bigger brother. 99 00:06:17,049 --> 00:06:20,966 I let Marv lead unless it was someplace I knew better than him. 100 00:06:21,010 --> 00:06:24,535 That's where we came from over there. 101 00:06:24,579 --> 00:06:27,277 This is here, where we're supposed to be, 102 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:31,150 and that's where Stu went, way over there! 103 00:06:31,194 --> 00:06:33,936 Marv made glove dryers. 104 00:06:33,979 --> 00:06:36,373 We had a Marv grill. 105 00:06:36,417 --> 00:06:39,245 Marv would take stock steel, bend it, 106 00:06:39,289 --> 00:06:40,812 custom to every machine. 107 00:06:42,814 --> 00:06:45,121 You weren't a snowmobiler in Grand Lake unless you had a Marv bumper. 108 00:06:45,730 --> 00:06:49,517 It would take down four-inch trees, five-inch trees 109 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,868 and you'd just keep going. That was a Marv bumper. 110 00:06:52,911 --> 00:06:55,218 Yeah, he was the king, yeah. 111 00:06:55,261 --> 00:06:57,568 If he got beat by anybody on the mountain 112 00:06:57,612 --> 00:06:59,788 that was the last time he got beat by that person. 113 00:07:04,706 --> 00:07:07,839 He bought me my own Polaris 114 00:07:07,883 --> 00:07:10,363 that he taught me how to get off trail 115 00:07:10,407 --> 00:07:11,843 and when in doubt, gas it. 116 00:07:19,547 --> 00:07:24,552 It's a kind of a community that in order for you to get ahead, 117 00:07:24,595 --> 00:07:28,425 you have to keep the neighbor down. It's not... 118 00:07:28,469 --> 00:07:31,123 you know, building yourself up on your own merit, 119 00:07:31,167 --> 00:07:33,038 it's tear the other guy down. 120 00:07:34,779 --> 00:07:38,130 Grand County definitely at one time was the Wild, Wild West. 121 00:07:38,174 --> 00:07:41,612 We've modernized it from , but it is not uncommon 122 00:07:41,656 --> 00:07:43,919 at all in the wintertime to have two weeks straight 123 00:07:43,962 --> 00:07:46,269 where the temperature doesn't get above 10 degrees. 124 00:07:46,312 --> 00:07:48,576 You have to be a little more independent, 125 00:07:48,619 --> 00:07:51,492 a little more willing to do without. 126 00:07:52,188 --> 00:07:54,625 You have to like small towns. 127 00:07:54,669 --> 00:07:57,062 You kind of live in a fishbowl to some extent 128 00:07:57,106 --> 00:07:59,369 because your neighbors kind of know your business a little more 129 00:07:59,412 --> 00:08:00,718 than they would be in the city. 130 00:08:01,589 --> 00:08:03,242 That can cause conflict. 131 00:08:06,202 --> 00:08:08,247 After a few months of living here I happen 132 00:08:08,291 --> 00:08:10,293 to cross a piece of property down there in Granby, 133 00:08:11,642 --> 00:08:15,211 and this was about a month before they were gonna have this FDIC auction. 134 00:08:16,473 --> 00:08:18,823 Marv originally bought the property 135 00:08:18,867 --> 00:08:21,130 that he was on in a public auction. 136 00:08:21,173 --> 00:08:24,307 They were selling FDIC-foreclosed properties. 137 00:08:24,350 --> 00:08:26,004 Three thousand square foot building 138 00:08:26,048 --> 00:08:27,528 and it had two acres of ground. 139 00:08:27,571 --> 00:08:29,878 They had a bid for $35,000 140 00:08:29,921 --> 00:08:31,793 from some guy upfront. 141 00:08:31,836 --> 00:08:33,795 So, finally, they caught my bid, so I got-- 142 00:08:33,838 --> 00:08:36,101 the guy bid for 40. And this other guy 143 00:08:36,145 --> 00:08:37,581 jumped up on a chair. 144 00:08:37,625 --> 00:08:38,713 I come to find out his name 145 00:08:38,756 --> 00:08:40,192 was Cody Docheff. 146 00:08:42,064 --> 00:08:44,501 Cody Docheff is the owner of Mountain Park Concrete. 147 00:08:44,545 --> 00:08:47,548 The Docheffs were looking for land upon which to put 148 00:08:47,591 --> 00:08:49,985 this concrete operation with an indoor batch plant. 149 00:08:50,638 --> 00:08:53,336 Docheff also showed up with Gus Harris. 150 00:08:53,379 --> 00:08:55,904 Gus Harris was his buddy there, sitting beside him. 151 00:08:55,947 --> 00:08:59,647 Gus was sponsoring the whole financing on this thing, 152 00:08:59,690 --> 00:09:02,214 and Gus wasn't gonna pay more than 50 grand for it 153 00:09:02,258 --> 00:09:04,652 and I was waiting for him to bid and he wouldn't bid, 154 00:09:04,695 --> 00:09:05,609 so I got the property. 155 00:09:07,132 --> 00:09:09,482 Marv says that after he got the property 156 00:09:09,526 --> 00:09:11,746 he was accosted by Cody. 157 00:09:11,789 --> 00:09:13,748 This guy came back there and 158 00:09:13,791 --> 00:09:16,533 introduced himself to me, in fact, the rudest, 159 00:09:16,577 --> 00:09:18,622 most arrogant person. 160 00:09:18,666 --> 00:09:21,756 I mean, this guy's just a fucking asshole. 161 00:09:21,799 --> 00:09:24,497 Come back and just introduced himself by 162 00:09:24,541 --> 00:09:27,370 giving me a tongue lashing for about 10 minutes. 163 00:09:27,413 --> 00:09:31,026 I mean, this is the only guy of all the properties that sold before his, 164 00:09:31,069 --> 00:09:33,855 that was doing any screaming at anybody during the auction. 165 00:09:40,644 --> 00:09:44,126 What I like about it here is we're in God's country. 166 00:09:45,170 --> 00:09:46,955 Why live anywhere else? 167 00:09:50,262 --> 00:09:53,614 But I don't like the way the county's run. 168 00:09:55,180 --> 00:09:56,573 There's a good ol' boys club. 169 00:10:00,403 --> 00:10:03,754 When he bought the property it had nothing more than just 170 00:10:03,798 --> 00:10:06,322 a concrete mixer tank that was holding the sewage. 171 00:10:06,365 --> 00:10:09,238 In the summer of '92, 172 00:10:09,281 --> 00:10:12,676 they wanted me to be annexed into the water and sanitation district, 173 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:17,594 so I said, "Great." I just expected it to go through. 174 00:10:17,638 --> 00:10:22,555 Ron Thompson was on the board for the sewer district. 175 00:10:23,165 --> 00:10:25,950 Ron was pretty outspoken in the board meetings, 176 00:10:25,994 --> 00:10:28,823 so he may have said things that upset Marv at that meeting 177 00:10:28,866 --> 00:10:31,826 and taken a leadership role in making the decisions they made. 178 00:10:33,523 --> 00:10:36,395 Well, as it turns out, the closest sewer main 179 00:10:36,439 --> 00:10:40,138 was many hundreds of feet away from Marv's property, 180 00:10:40,182 --> 00:10:42,532 so in order for Marv to hook onto that, 181 00:10:42,575 --> 00:10:45,056 he would have had to build a long service line 182 00:10:45,100 --> 00:10:46,841 from his property to the main. 183 00:10:48,494 --> 00:10:51,323 When he learned that to do all that was gonna cost him 184 00:10:51,367 --> 00:10:54,718 anywhere from 60 to 70, maybe even 80 thousand dollars, 185 00:10:54,762 --> 00:10:56,633 Marv was upset. 186 00:10:56,677 --> 00:10:58,722 They make you pay for the installation 187 00:10:58,766 --> 00:11:00,506 of the sewer line that you don't want, 188 00:11:00,550 --> 00:11:02,683 and then you have to still hook yourself up. 189 00:11:02,726 --> 00:11:04,293 That's life-changing money. 190 00:11:04,336 --> 00:11:06,295 Marv refused to do that. 191 00:11:08,558 --> 00:11:11,300 I never heard him talk bad about anybody 192 00:11:11,343 --> 00:11:12,823 but the people that did him bad, 193 00:11:14,042 --> 00:11:16,697 the good ol' boys club. He did not like 'em. 194 00:11:18,786 --> 00:11:21,745 I never had anybody sit there and plan 195 00:11:21,789 --> 00:11:25,749 to cut me out of an opportunity like the Thompsons did 196 00:11:25,793 --> 00:11:29,144 when they denied me access to their sanitation district. 197 00:11:29,797 --> 00:11:32,713 It doesn't make any sense other than that 198 00:11:32,756 --> 00:11:35,324 it was the good ol' boys patting each other on the back. 199 00:11:36,020 --> 00:11:38,588 Had they not done that, I can assure you 200 00:11:38,631 --> 00:11:41,547 the outcome, the whole thing 201 00:11:41,591 --> 00:11:43,158 would have been completely different! 202 00:11:44,986 --> 00:11:48,293 The Thompson family was what I'd call a Granby legacy family, 203 00:11:48,337 --> 00:11:51,122 a wealthy working family in the Granby area, 204 00:11:51,166 --> 00:11:53,908 making their money off of excavation, but also living off 205 00:11:53,951 --> 00:11:57,172 the fact that they owned a lot of the land just because they'd been here forever. 206 00:11:58,564 --> 00:12:01,176 The first Thompson clan that settled in Granby 207 00:12:01,219 --> 00:12:03,178 actually bought lodging properties 208 00:12:03,221 --> 00:12:05,006 and in the course of that they bought 209 00:12:05,049 --> 00:12:07,617 little pieces of property around town. 210 00:12:08,183 --> 00:12:11,055 The Thompsons formed their own excavation company. 211 00:12:11,099 --> 00:12:14,493 Dick Thompson was the son of the first Thompson family. 212 00:12:14,537 --> 00:12:16,800 Dick had several children. 213 00:12:16,844 --> 00:12:19,803 Ron was kind of a, a leading son in the family. 214 00:12:19,847 --> 00:12:22,284 Larry was kind of the older son who helped, 215 00:12:22,327 --> 00:12:23,981 and Gary went right along with him 216 00:12:24,025 --> 00:12:25,766 doing a lot of the excavation work. 217 00:12:27,637 --> 00:12:30,248 Gus Harris and Cody Docheff 218 00:12:30,292 --> 00:12:32,424 and the powers that be, the Thompsons, 219 00:12:32,468 --> 00:12:34,905 if they would have left me alone, 220 00:12:34,949 --> 00:12:37,952 I wouldn't have had this righteous anger 221 00:12:37,995 --> 00:12:41,390 that I have towards the Thompsons, 222 00:12:41,433 --> 00:12:43,827 their hierarchy, their attitude 223 00:12:43,871 --> 00:12:47,657 that they have left in that community for so many years. 224 00:12:47,700 --> 00:12:50,007 And so many people think like they do, 225 00:12:50,051 --> 00:12:51,879 screw your neighbor. 226 00:12:53,184 --> 00:12:55,621 In Marv's eyes, the Thompson family 227 00:12:55,665 --> 00:12:57,928 was the epitome of the Granby establishment 228 00:12:57,972 --> 00:13:00,888 that did everything they could to thwart Marv. 229 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:05,196 Well, I'm making lemonade out of lemons, 230 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,503 you know, I just kept on about my business 231 00:13:07,546 --> 00:13:09,853 because this is a small community and, you know, 232 00:13:09,897 --> 00:13:11,550 I need to fit in. 233 00:13:11,594 --> 00:13:13,552 Life was pretty good and I was making 234 00:13:13,596 --> 00:13:15,467 a real good income out of there. 235 00:13:15,511 --> 00:13:18,166 And in '98, the town went 236 00:13:18,209 --> 00:13:21,125 and spot-zoned the two acres 237 00:13:21,169 --> 00:13:24,302 directly south of me, which is illegal in Colorado. 238 00:13:24,346 --> 00:13:27,001 And because no one protested it 239 00:13:27,044 --> 00:13:31,135 within 30 days, it became law that they could do that. 240 00:13:31,179 --> 00:13:33,616 And this Docheff guy, he's gonna sign 241 00:13:33,659 --> 00:13:36,097 and buy the property next door to the west of me, 242 00:13:36,140 --> 00:13:38,664 and has a contract on it to purchase it. 243 00:13:38,708 --> 00:13:41,885 And they were going to be able to put this concrete plant 244 00:13:41,929 --> 00:13:44,888 right there next to all those houses, 245 00:13:44,932 --> 00:13:48,239 downwind of the town. And Cody's motivation 246 00:13:48,283 --> 00:13:50,198 was to get back at Marv. 247 00:13:50,241 --> 00:13:52,983 Well, I find this out too late 248 00:13:53,027 --> 00:13:55,377 and I be--I was right in the dust pale 249 00:13:55,420 --> 00:13:58,293 of this whole operation. And that wasn't gonna work 250 00:13:58,336 --> 00:14:01,252 because I didn't want no frickin' concrete plant next to me. 251 00:14:05,561 --> 00:14:07,824 There was opposition to the concrete plant, 252 00:14:07,868 --> 00:14:10,914 and we heard we had public hearings. 253 00:14:10,958 --> 00:14:15,179 Uh, I was acting mayor because the mayor 254 00:14:15,223 --> 00:14:18,182 and the mayor pro tem both had conflicts of interest, 255 00:14:18,226 --> 00:14:20,445 so I presided over the public hearings. 256 00:14:20,489 --> 00:14:22,578 We allowed the public to come in, and it was 257 00:14:22,621 --> 00:14:25,102 a packed house. People spoke for it, 258 00:14:25,146 --> 00:14:27,322 for the service the concrete would provide. 259 00:14:27,365 --> 00:14:30,499 And there was lots of people that spoke out against it. 260 00:14:30,542 --> 00:14:33,676 Marv Heemeyer did a great job of arousing 261 00:14:33,719 --> 00:14:37,375 public sentiment in his favor against the batch plant. 262 00:14:37,419 --> 00:14:40,857 He felt that the batch plant would hurt his business. 263 00:14:40,901 --> 00:14:42,990 He claimed that there would be dust, 264 00:14:43,033 --> 00:14:46,080 that there would be noise, that there would be excess traffic. 265 00:14:46,123 --> 00:14:48,734 Who knew what they were going to do to the water supply. 266 00:14:48,778 --> 00:14:51,868 He also made that argument on behalf of people in the neighborhood. 267 00:14:51,912 --> 00:14:54,479 Marv got a lot of these people to show up and, 268 00:14:54,523 --> 00:14:56,351 basically, say we don't want it, we don't like it, 269 00:14:56,394 --> 00:14:58,092 what are you going to do to our neighborhood? 270 00:14:58,831 --> 00:15:01,791 They voiced a lot of the concerns that Marv was voicing. 271 00:15:01,834 --> 00:15:05,664 This went on for a series of three, four, maybe even five meetings. 272 00:15:05,708 --> 00:15:08,319 And there'd be discourse and, and discussion, 273 00:15:08,363 --> 00:15:11,801 and Cody would jump up because he was so upset. 274 00:15:11,844 --> 00:15:13,934 He has, he's a fiery guy. 275 00:15:15,065 --> 00:15:17,807 The town ultimately approved 276 00:15:18,503 --> 00:15:20,114 Cody's batch plant down there, 277 00:15:20,157 --> 00:15:22,333 but with a host of, of conditions, 278 00:15:22,377 --> 00:15:24,031 the typical things that you see. 279 00:15:24,074 --> 00:15:26,163 I think I read the motion, the whereas 280 00:15:26,207 --> 00:15:27,686 and the wherefores and all that stuff 281 00:15:27,730 --> 00:15:29,036 to approve the batch plant. 282 00:15:29,645 --> 00:15:31,386 And it was at that meeting in '99 283 00:15:31,429 --> 00:15:32,778 where Marv promised he'd fight 'em 284 00:15:32,822 --> 00:15:33,692 the whole way. 285 00:15:34,824 --> 00:15:38,088 In nature, wolves, coyotes, 286 00:15:38,132 --> 00:15:39,872 they have their territory. 287 00:15:39,916 --> 00:15:41,787 A mother just--look at the mother, 288 00:15:41,831 --> 00:15:43,920 she will fight to protect her young. 289 00:15:43,964 --> 00:15:46,444 And a male, a male will definitely protect 290 00:15:46,488 --> 00:15:49,970 his territory. If he doesn't, he'll be overrun. 291 00:15:50,796 --> 00:15:53,016 Now, if an animal will do this, 292 00:15:54,278 --> 00:15:55,758 why wouldn't a man? 293 00:16:00,763 --> 00:16:04,506 In the meantime, the town is cracking down hard on Marv 294 00:16:04,549 --> 00:16:07,596 saying there is a serious issue with your water and sewer. 295 00:16:08,292 --> 00:16:11,295 He ended up going to Granby Municipal Court. 296 00:16:11,339 --> 00:16:13,210 Judge Noriyuki was presiding. 297 00:16:13,254 --> 00:16:15,299 She said we find you in violation. 298 00:16:15,343 --> 00:16:18,041 We're gonna give you a deferred judgment, however, 299 00:16:18,085 --> 00:16:20,870 and you can't use the property for anything 300 00:16:20,913 --> 00:16:23,090 until you're hooked up to water and sewer. 301 00:16:23,133 --> 00:16:26,789 You have to connect, but 400 feet's a long way. 302 00:16:26,832 --> 00:16:28,617 There could be a piece of property in the way 303 00:16:28,660 --> 00:16:31,315 and in this case there was: Cody's. 304 00:16:31,359 --> 00:16:34,144 He needed the easement. Cody wasn't gonna give him the easement. 305 00:16:36,103 --> 00:16:41,021 The town contacts him and says we're gonna fine you $100 a day 306 00:16:41,064 --> 00:16:44,415 because you're operating a business and you're not hooked up to the sewer. 307 00:16:44,459 --> 00:16:47,157 Marv wrote a check to the town, 308 00:16:47,201 --> 00:16:49,116 and he wrote on the memo line, 309 00:16:49,159 --> 00:16:51,335 "Cowards and Liars Department." 310 00:16:51,379 --> 00:16:53,555 And to add insult to injury, they sent it back 311 00:16:53,598 --> 00:16:55,339 and said the amount is incorrect. 312 00:16:55,992 --> 00:16:59,561 Well, this clearly angered Marv. He shows up at the town hall. 313 00:16:59,604 --> 00:17:02,781 They kept fining him because he was an out-of-towner. 314 00:17:02,825 --> 00:17:05,175 He came up here and small town... 315 00:17:06,481 --> 00:17:10,093 In Marv's mind this was just another example 316 00:17:10,137 --> 00:17:13,705 of the town not treating him fairly. 317 00:17:17,448 --> 00:17:20,103 The Docheffs were moving forward with their proposal. 318 00:17:20,147 --> 00:17:22,410 Suddenly Marv shows up with an attorney 319 00:17:22,453 --> 00:17:25,717 then he's saying I think that we've caught you in a mistake. 320 00:17:27,676 --> 00:17:29,721 The town board was stunned. 321 00:17:29,765 --> 00:17:32,507 They called an executive session, kicked everybody out. 322 00:17:32,550 --> 00:17:35,118 They said, well, we're gonna put everything on hold 323 00:17:35,162 --> 00:17:37,077 until we can decide what we're gonna do. 324 00:17:37,686 --> 00:17:39,209 The attorney made us be very 325 00:17:39,253 --> 00:17:41,255 dot the i's, cross the t's, 326 00:17:41,298 --> 00:17:43,648 so we wanted to make sure that whatever we did, 327 00:17:43,692 --> 00:17:46,869 we were right on the money with. 328 00:17:47,391 --> 00:17:49,872 They came back and said we're gonna let them restart 329 00:17:49,915 --> 00:17:52,744 from square one so that we can do it right this time. 330 00:17:55,399 --> 00:17:59,534 As a last ditch effort, Marv filed a lawsuit in district court. 331 00:18:00,665 --> 00:18:03,407 But the Docheffs, they're serious about building 332 00:18:03,451 --> 00:18:05,627 this batch plant as quickly as possible. 333 00:18:05,670 --> 00:18:08,673 They're moving forward as if there's not any barrier 334 00:18:08,717 --> 00:18:10,675 to their progress at all. 335 00:18:10,719 --> 00:18:12,460 There's heavy equipment operating 336 00:18:12,503 --> 00:18:14,853 at the soon-to-be batch plant site. 337 00:18:14,897 --> 00:18:17,378 Marv is sitting here watching all this happening, 338 00:18:17,421 --> 00:18:19,380 and I think he is just stewing about it. 339 00:18:20,250 --> 00:18:22,731 You put yourself in my shoes 340 00:18:22,774 --> 00:18:25,255 and tell me how you would feel, 341 00:18:25,299 --> 00:18:29,868 realizing that you've wasted 10 years of your life 342 00:18:30,608 --> 00:18:33,263 because of someone's malice. 343 00:18:33,307 --> 00:18:37,876 He's putting out money and he's getting shut down every corner, 344 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:40,357 and then it was to nothing. I don't know how much he spent. 345 00:18:40,401 --> 00:18:43,447 I know one time he had 150 grand into it. 346 00:18:43,491 --> 00:18:47,712 And I said, "Well, you shouldn't have spent that much money 347 00:18:47,756 --> 00:18:50,715 on these assholes because you can't fight the government." 348 00:18:50,759 --> 00:18:54,806 Nine months later, the court made its ruling on the lawsuit. 349 00:18:55,503 --> 00:18:59,159 Judge Doucet dismissed the lawsuit completely. 350 00:19:00,247 --> 00:19:03,598 Suddenly, Marv had nobody on his side. 351 00:19:03,641 --> 00:19:06,862 My attorney, as paid off as he was, 352 00:19:06,905 --> 00:19:09,778 that's all he was doing was making money on the deal. 353 00:19:09,821 --> 00:19:12,868 He didn't care if I win or lose. As a matter of fact he said 354 00:19:12,911 --> 00:19:15,827 that he wouldn't appeal it. I always told him, I says, 355 00:19:15,871 --> 00:19:19,091 "It's good enough if we lose to appeal it 356 00:19:19,135 --> 00:19:22,138 to a higher court." He though wouldn't do it. 357 00:19:22,182 --> 00:19:23,444 He would not appeal it. 358 00:19:25,141 --> 00:19:27,926 You know, they think that I should have to stay down there 359 00:19:27,970 --> 00:19:31,321 in Granby. I should have kept my muffler shop going. 360 00:19:31,365 --> 00:19:35,456 I should have put up with all the dust, all the, the snickers. 361 00:19:36,196 --> 00:19:40,809 You know the--the town council, I'd pass them in the post office 362 00:19:40,852 --> 00:19:44,334 and they'd snicker at me after they knew I lost. 363 00:19:44,378 --> 00:19:48,730 On the street, Casey Farrell, what a barbarian. 364 00:19:48,773 --> 00:19:52,473 He comes across being one of those good guys. 365 00:19:52,516 --> 00:19:54,214 He's part of the problem. 366 00:19:54,257 --> 00:19:55,693 They knew what they were doing. 367 00:19:56,303 --> 00:19:58,305 They were trying to run him out of town. 368 00:19:58,348 --> 00:20:01,308 The town had a hard on for Marv Heemeyer. 369 00:20:01,351 --> 00:20:04,659 They didn't stop a thing! Marv didn't have any malice towards us. 370 00:20:04,702 --> 00:20:07,444 This is a sign to not do this. 371 00:20:07,488 --> 00:20:10,969 No, they kept it in their hardened hearts... 372 00:20:11,013 --> 00:20:14,016 and said we'll get him. They started getting me 373 00:20:14,059 --> 00:20:17,715 in 1992 when they kept me off the sanitation district. 374 00:20:17,759 --> 00:20:21,589 They started getting me when Gus Harris sold the property 375 00:20:21,632 --> 00:20:24,983 to Cody Docheff. They got me when they issued 376 00:20:25,027 --> 00:20:28,248 the building permit to Cody Docheff 377 00:20:28,291 --> 00:20:30,598 for the concrete plant and denied 378 00:20:30,641 --> 00:20:32,513 that it was for the concrete plant. 379 00:20:32,556 --> 00:20:35,646 Are we all stupid? Come on, they knew! 380 00:20:35,690 --> 00:20:37,735 And when I would ask them these questions-- 381 00:20:37,779 --> 00:20:39,694 but what you won't find in the minutes, 382 00:20:39,737 --> 00:20:41,696 they would just shut right up, stonewall you. 383 00:20:41,739 --> 00:20:43,001 They didn't have an answer. 384 00:20:44,089 --> 00:20:47,005 I'd shoot the truth in their face 385 00:20:47,049 --> 00:20:50,357 and they couldn't deal with it. And, and I'm sorry, 386 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:52,663 they are going to have to deal with it. 387 00:20:52,707 --> 00:20:56,188 I guarantee you I am going to make them deal with it. 388 00:20:59,496 --> 00:21:01,890 The battle with the town of Granby, you know, 389 00:21:01,933 --> 00:21:05,023 um we talked about it, but I didn't get that feeling 390 00:21:05,067 --> 00:21:06,982 that he was so angry. 391 00:21:08,157 --> 00:21:11,247 No one realized how... 392 00:21:13,336 --> 00:21:17,558 how... God, distorted it was becoming to him. 393 00:21:25,870 --> 00:21:28,090 Marv was feeling defeated, 394 00:21:29,178 --> 00:21:34,531 humiliated, and at his wit's end about what he was gonna do. 395 00:21:34,575 --> 00:21:37,360 He goes out, sits in his hot tub with a beer 396 00:21:37,404 --> 00:21:39,580 in his hand, and has inspiration. 397 00:21:42,017 --> 00:21:46,238 When I was sitting in the hot tub, and I mean I was, I was weeping. 398 00:21:48,806 --> 00:21:51,331 And a peace came over me 399 00:21:51,940 --> 00:21:55,030 where I knew God wanted me to do it. 400 00:21:58,381 --> 00:21:59,904 And I didn't understand. 401 00:22:00,514 --> 00:22:03,473 I said, "Why did you ask me to do this? 402 00:22:04,300 --> 00:22:08,173 Is that why I've never been married, so I didn't have a family? 403 00:22:08,217 --> 00:22:10,741 Is that why I've always been successful 404 00:22:10,785 --> 00:22:14,528 so that I would realize my rewards for doing this task?" 405 00:22:15,703 --> 00:22:17,139 But it has to be done. 406 00:22:17,792 --> 00:22:21,186 And the world will write stories 407 00:22:21,230 --> 00:22:23,101 about how wrong I am 408 00:22:23,754 --> 00:22:27,410 and without a doubt I wish it could be done a different way 409 00:22:27,454 --> 00:22:30,544 but there is no way to make this right. 410 00:22:31,675 --> 00:22:34,199 You picked on the wrong man! 411 00:22:41,729 --> 00:22:45,646 Cody, do you remember the first time you met Marv at that auction? 412 00:23:03,141 --> 00:23:06,144 There is the difference of points of view or memory 413 00:23:06,188 --> 00:23:08,625 about what happened after Marv got it. 414 00:23:08,669 --> 00:23:12,455 Cody Docheff, I mean this guy's just a fucking asshole. 415 00:23:12,499 --> 00:23:15,719 Come back and just introduced himself by giving me 416 00:23:15,763 --> 00:23:17,678 a tongue lashing for about 10 minutes. 417 00:23:26,077 --> 00:23:30,517 The reason I ask is that Marv claims that you guys talked afterwards. 418 00:23:34,259 --> 00:23:36,523 I talked to this guy forever it seems like, 419 00:23:36,566 --> 00:23:39,613 and everybody around me, they couldn't believe this asshole. 420 00:23:39,656 --> 00:23:43,486 And this is the only guy of all the properties sold before his 421 00:23:43,530 --> 00:23:46,576 that was doing any screaming at anybody during the auction. 422 00:23:46,620 --> 00:23:48,273 Gus doesn't remember it either. 423 00:23:49,753 --> 00:23:54,018 I uh, I've been a school bus driver for 50 years. 424 00:23:54,062 --> 00:23:57,848 Cody has been a good friend for many, many years. 425 00:23:57,892 --> 00:24:00,721 We have gone to auctions together before on times. 426 00:24:00,764 --> 00:24:05,943 So, Cody went with me but he had no party in the-- in the auction. 427 00:24:05,987 --> 00:24:10,861 Cody and I sat and listened to another bid or two. 428 00:24:10,905 --> 00:24:13,429 There really wasn't much of anything happened. 429 00:24:13,473 --> 00:24:17,868 I don't know what Marv did. I wasn't paying any attention to him really. 430 00:24:17,912 --> 00:24:21,872 And then we just got up and, and, uh, left. Yeah. 431 00:24:23,831 --> 00:24:28,575 Cody would maybe be interested in the property at a, at a future time, 432 00:24:28,618 --> 00:24:32,013 but, uh, there was no agreement or talk between us 433 00:24:32,056 --> 00:24:33,971 of him owning that property. 434 00:24:36,234 --> 00:24:38,976 Cody would have been mad at anybody who would have bought the property, 435 00:24:39,020 --> 00:24:43,503 anybody, but, but you gotta go there with enough money. 436 00:24:43,546 --> 00:24:46,549 Otherwise you're the problem. 437 00:24:46,593 --> 00:24:49,552 It's your fault that this happened, not mine. 438 00:24:51,772 --> 00:24:56,341 Marv in his tapes, the way he characterizes the town, 439 00:24:56,385 --> 00:25:00,041 me and many other people, just did not reflect what I thought 440 00:25:00,084 --> 00:25:03,392 was the way those people really were and really are. 441 00:25:03,435 --> 00:25:05,307 I wasted... 442 00:25:06,743 --> 00:25:10,268 thirteen years of my life down there 443 00:25:10,878 --> 00:25:14,359 because the Thompsons were pissed off 444 00:25:14,403 --> 00:25:16,361 that I bought that property. 445 00:25:19,408 --> 00:25:22,672 We lived here all of our life. We were born and raised here. 446 00:25:23,978 --> 00:25:27,198 Probably gonna die here, so. Where else you gonna go, but... 447 00:25:27,982 --> 00:25:31,942 No, our dad started here in business in 1949. 448 00:25:31,986 --> 00:25:34,858 We had our mom, our dad, then we had another brother 449 00:25:34,902 --> 00:25:38,993 between the two of us that got sick in '02, and he passed away. 450 00:25:40,211 --> 00:25:44,041 And everybody has their hardships, so we had more than our fair share. 451 00:25:44,085 --> 00:25:46,087 -A raft of 'em. -A raft of 'em. 452 00:25:47,088 --> 00:25:50,613 And the popular conception of the Thompson brothers is that 453 00:25:50,657 --> 00:25:53,224 they are the hardest working millionaires in the county. 454 00:25:53,268 --> 00:25:55,923 They probably could live well off of the revenue 455 00:25:55,966 --> 00:25:58,665 from their property that they have in Granby. 456 00:25:58,708 --> 00:26:01,232 They could probably hire people but they don't. 457 00:26:01,276 --> 00:26:04,192 They choose to work and I actually think they like the work. 458 00:26:04,758 --> 00:26:06,629 We got a whole yard full of stuff. 459 00:26:06,673 --> 00:26:08,936 We don't hire any help. We just do it ourselves. 460 00:26:08,979 --> 00:26:11,852 It's fun, so keeps us out of trouble, so... 461 00:26:13,505 --> 00:26:18,119 I spent one day here in the spring of 2003, 462 00:26:18,162 --> 00:26:23,341 the Thompson brothers were down below my house here in Grand Lake, 463 00:26:23,385 --> 00:26:25,605 digging a foundation for a house. 464 00:26:25,648 --> 00:26:28,738 Larry Thompson was standing out by his truck by himself, 465 00:26:28,782 --> 00:26:31,828 so I drove up to him and had a few words with him. 466 00:26:31,872 --> 00:26:34,526 Basically what I told him was that, "You know, Larry, 467 00:26:34,570 --> 00:26:37,921 you know, about in 1992, your family 468 00:26:37,965 --> 00:26:42,143 financially affected my life for the rest of my life." 469 00:26:42,186 --> 00:26:45,842 Well, Marv had a beef with our dad because he was on the town board, 470 00:26:46,626 --> 00:26:51,456 town council for a lot of years. And in the last years of his life, he was the mayor. 471 00:26:51,500 --> 00:26:55,896 And I says, "You owe me, I want $300,000 from you." 472 00:26:55,939 --> 00:26:57,985 And he says it'll never happen. 473 00:26:58,028 --> 00:27:00,683 And I says, "Well, I guarantee you, Larry, 474 00:27:00,727 --> 00:27:02,337 I'm gonna collect." 475 00:27:02,380 --> 00:27:04,687 One day, we always was friendly to him, 476 00:27:04,731 --> 00:27:06,820 you know, and he rolled his window down and he says, 477 00:27:06,863 --> 00:27:09,300 "I'm gonna get you guys." And rolled his windows up and left, 478 00:27:09,344 --> 00:27:11,476 and that's the last time we ever talked to him. 479 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:15,350 He basically confirmed in my mind right there 480 00:27:16,612 --> 00:27:18,179 that he knew what I was talking about. 481 00:27:18,222 --> 00:27:20,224 And he knew what had been done 482 00:27:20,268 --> 00:27:22,705 because he had one thing to say. He screamed it at me 483 00:27:22,749 --> 00:27:25,055 as I am about five truck lengths away. 484 00:27:25,099 --> 00:27:28,929 He screamed, "You can suck my dick!" 485 00:27:28,972 --> 00:27:31,845 Well, when someone is that frustrated 486 00:27:31,888 --> 00:27:34,151 that they've gotta say something like that, 487 00:27:34,195 --> 00:27:35,849 you know they know. 488 00:27:37,589 --> 00:27:40,462 It was all politics related, so 489 00:27:40,505 --> 00:27:43,378 I don't think anybody ever done him wrong on purpose. 490 00:27:46,468 --> 00:27:47,817 You never know what gets into people. 491 00:27:49,732 --> 00:27:51,342 He's a cowardly bastard. 492 00:27:53,301 --> 00:27:55,869 He's a Catholic, and I think they are some of the biggest cowards 493 00:27:55,912 --> 00:27:59,220 I have ever met. They believe the only way that they can stay on top 494 00:27:59,786 --> 00:28:01,701 is to keep their neighbor down. 495 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,748 I think that Marv might have seen in the Thompson family 496 00:28:05,792 --> 00:28:08,838 an example of what he may have really aspired to, 497 00:28:09,709 --> 00:28:13,930 which was being a relatively wealthy, land-owning family 498 00:28:13,974 --> 00:28:18,108 that worked with their hands, worked with heavy equipment, 499 00:28:18,152 --> 00:28:21,633 that were able to make a living at it and be successful. 500 00:28:22,765 --> 00:28:25,681 This is my die-cast toy collection. 501 00:28:25,725 --> 00:28:29,554 I've probably been collecting 15 years now, maybe a little longer. 502 00:28:30,425 --> 00:28:33,080 And this is kind of my hobby that I do in the evenings, 503 00:28:33,123 --> 00:28:34,559 mainly in the wintertime. 504 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,259 So I just buy one, two toys once in a while 505 00:28:38,302 --> 00:28:39,390 as I can afford it. 506 00:28:41,349 --> 00:28:43,046 Is this your favorite truck? 507 00:28:43,090 --> 00:28:44,482 They're all favorite trucks. 508 00:28:45,005 --> 00:28:46,746 They're our toys. 509 00:28:49,096 --> 00:28:51,838 So... But anyway. 510 00:28:54,318 --> 00:28:56,973 I went down to talk to Marv about his business 511 00:28:57,017 --> 00:28:59,367 and whether he'd like us to do a new business story, 512 00:28:59,410 --> 00:29:00,977 and would he like to buy some advertising. 513 00:29:04,328 --> 00:29:07,201 And Marv was only open at select hours. 514 00:29:07,244 --> 00:29:11,031 Marv ran that business so he could indulge in his snowmobiling habit. 515 00:29:11,074 --> 00:29:13,381 I must've gone back down to the muffler shop 516 00:29:13,424 --> 00:29:16,384 three-four times and Marv was never there. 517 00:29:17,341 --> 00:29:19,996 This newspaper guy, Patrick Brower, 518 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,172 this guy hated me. 519 00:29:22,216 --> 00:29:25,045 When I first came up here in uh '91, 520 00:29:25,088 --> 00:29:26,916 he said that he was gonna come down 521 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:28,439 and do an article on my little business. 522 00:29:28,483 --> 00:29:30,485 Well, he never did do it. 523 00:29:30,528 --> 00:29:33,140 You know, he was doing everything he could 524 00:29:33,183 --> 00:29:36,578 to keep me from getting any additional publicity. 525 00:29:36,621 --> 00:29:39,015 He knows how to abuse the power of the pen. 526 00:29:39,059 --> 00:29:42,540 And that's a big thing up here is abuse of power. 527 00:29:42,584 --> 00:29:44,804 When the time came where I ran into Marv, 528 00:29:44,847 --> 00:29:46,936 he was all upset with me for never doing his story. 529 00:29:46,980 --> 00:29:49,417 I said, "Marv, why don't I just give you an ad." 530 00:29:50,287 --> 00:29:52,986 Yeah, I took a photo of Marv and ran a free ad for him. 531 00:29:53,029 --> 00:29:55,727 It was I think a $200 ad that he got for nothing. 532 00:29:55,771 --> 00:29:59,079 I know the newspaper guy, that guy, 533 00:29:59,122 --> 00:30:01,951 he has told so many lies. It's one thing about lying-- 534 00:30:01,995 --> 00:30:05,650 you tell a lie, usually you gotta tell five more to cover that up. 535 00:30:12,788 --> 00:30:16,966 I came to Granby in '78, three kids raised here. 536 00:30:17,010 --> 00:30:18,663 Bought the store in '92. 537 00:30:18,707 --> 00:30:21,362 We try to be part of the community 538 00:30:21,405 --> 00:30:23,886 and support the community because they support us. 539 00:30:23,930 --> 00:30:27,585 So that's how I got kind of involved in town board thing. 540 00:30:27,629 --> 00:30:31,154 Casey Farrell, what a barbarian. 541 00:30:31,763 --> 00:30:34,810 He comes across being one of those good guys. 542 00:30:36,768 --> 00:30:38,335 He's part of the problem. 543 00:30:38,379 --> 00:30:40,729 Casey and Ronda Farrell and their family 544 00:30:40,772 --> 00:30:43,210 are the kind of people you want for neighbors. 545 00:30:43,253 --> 00:30:45,212 He never did anything with ill intent. 546 00:30:45,952 --> 00:30:47,910 He never did anything with malice. 547 00:30:47,954 --> 00:30:51,653 The town council, I'd pass them in the post office 548 00:30:51,696 --> 00:30:55,091 and they'd snicker at me after they knew I lost. 549 00:30:56,919 --> 00:30:59,487 In that batch plant, I felt like it was a positive, 550 00:30:59,530 --> 00:31:01,532 and I couldn't see a downside for Marv. 551 00:31:02,577 --> 00:31:06,233 It was gonna supply concrete so the community could grow. 552 00:31:06,276 --> 00:31:08,539 The opportunity for jobs. 553 00:31:08,583 --> 00:31:11,020 I mean, he might get a little dust on his muffler shop, 554 00:31:11,064 --> 00:31:13,631 but it wasn't all that clean to begin with. 555 00:31:13,675 --> 00:31:16,939 How many times do you have to try to deal with a man? 556 00:31:16,983 --> 00:31:21,378 Come on, Cody, be reasonable, but that's what you cannot do 557 00:31:21,422 --> 00:31:24,512 with people in the mountains, especially in Granby. 558 00:31:28,472 --> 00:31:31,911 Cody Docheff built his concrete business from the ground up. 559 00:31:31,954 --> 00:31:35,262 He's what I would call a kind of a salt of the earth businessman 560 00:31:35,305 --> 00:31:37,917 who, uh, is a doer. He's a hard worker. 561 00:31:38,482 --> 00:31:40,876 Maybe Marv and Cody had some head butting 562 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,618 just because they are both alpha personalities 563 00:31:43,661 --> 00:31:44,967 or something of that nature. 564 00:31:46,751 --> 00:31:47,927 I think they're both pretty good at what they do. 565 00:31:48,623 --> 00:31:50,320 Neither one of 'em were trust fund babies. 566 00:31:51,017 --> 00:31:53,062 Cody's worked hard to get where he's at. 567 00:31:53,106 --> 00:31:54,672 Cody's, Cody's Cody. 568 00:31:55,586 --> 00:31:57,545 -It's just his nature. -It's just his nature. 569 00:31:57,588 --> 00:31:59,416 You know, he's just, he tells it the way it is. 570 00:31:59,460 --> 00:32:01,679 -If you don't like it... -He just tells ya. 571 00:32:01,723 --> 00:32:04,334 He tells ya, you know. He's a good guy, you know. 572 00:32:04,378 --> 00:32:06,119 He'd do anything for ya, but he's just... 573 00:32:06,815 --> 00:32:09,731 got a little short fuse, goes off, but he's okay, 574 00:32:09,774 --> 00:32:11,907 -you know. -Oh, yeah, he has a bit of a temper, 575 00:32:11,951 --> 00:32:14,127 -but he, he's all right. -He's all right, you know. 576 00:32:14,170 --> 00:32:16,607 He's a little Bulgarian. 577 00:32:16,651 --> 00:32:20,263 He's quite quick. He's a good man. 578 00:32:20,307 --> 00:32:23,875 He's done all right around here, works his butt off like everybody else. 579 00:32:23,919 --> 00:32:27,009 -Yeah, he, he's earned it. -Yeah, he's earned every nickel he made. 580 00:32:27,053 --> 00:32:29,316 -He came here with basically nothing. -Nothing. 581 00:32:29,359 --> 00:32:30,491 Uh, Marv and Cody 582 00:32:31,535 --> 00:32:33,015 probably could have been friends. 583 00:32:34,886 --> 00:32:39,195 For years I tried to appease Cody Docheff's misguided anger. 584 00:32:39,239 --> 00:32:41,589 I bought every bit of concrete, 585 00:32:41,632 --> 00:32:43,721 which turned out to be shit. 586 00:32:47,116 --> 00:32:50,250 Marv complained about the sewer board holding him over a barrel, 587 00:32:50,293 --> 00:32:52,730 but that was completely standard procedure. 588 00:32:52,774 --> 00:32:54,776 It's true that it can be expensive, 589 00:32:54,819 --> 00:32:56,778 but Cody connected when he built the batch plant, 590 00:32:56,821 --> 00:32:58,171 and it would not cost much 591 00:32:58,214 --> 00:33:00,086 for Marv to have hooked on. 592 00:33:01,739 --> 00:33:04,220 The Docheffs called up Marv and said, "Marv, 593 00:33:04,264 --> 00:33:08,529 we'll give you an easement for your water and sewer 594 00:33:08,572 --> 00:33:11,401 if you drop your lawsuit against the town and us." 595 00:33:12,315 --> 00:33:16,232 Marv just hung up. When he was called into the court 596 00:33:16,276 --> 00:33:18,843 because he hadn't connected his sewer lines, 597 00:33:18,887 --> 00:33:22,021 he's clearly stalling on resolving this issue. 598 00:33:22,064 --> 00:33:25,894 This is where Marv confronts Deb Hess, who is a town clerk. 599 00:33:26,547 --> 00:33:28,853 So, Deb, did you have any dealings with Marv? 600 00:33:28,897 --> 00:33:31,552 He had come in my office, he was accusing me 601 00:33:31,595 --> 00:33:33,597 of going over to the bank and badmouthing him. 602 00:33:33,641 --> 00:33:35,991 I said, "Mr. Heemeyer, I wasn't over at the bank 603 00:33:36,035 --> 00:33:39,299 and I wouldn't do that. I mean, I have no reason to badmouth him. 604 00:33:39,342 --> 00:33:41,127 I just said I just need a different check. 605 00:33:41,170 --> 00:33:42,998 Actually, he had made a mistake 606 00:33:43,042 --> 00:33:44,913 when he wrote out the amount. 607 00:33:44,956 --> 00:33:47,698 Marv corrects the verbiage on the check 608 00:33:47,742 --> 00:33:50,571 and then the check clears and he's paid his fine. 609 00:33:50,614 --> 00:33:53,400 Marv's anger affected his interpretation of events 610 00:33:53,443 --> 00:33:55,924 with Dietze as well. He believed Dietze milked him 611 00:33:55,967 --> 00:33:57,882 for money and abandoned him on appeal. 612 00:33:58,753 --> 00:34:01,016 But if Dietze was really out to milk Heemeyer 613 00:34:01,060 --> 00:34:03,105 why didn't he go to the appeal? 614 00:34:03,149 --> 00:34:05,803 It'd be a way to milk another $55,000 out of him. 615 00:34:06,587 --> 00:34:11,026 And the irony is Cody had been offering to buy Marv out from the beginning, 616 00:34:11,070 --> 00:34:14,943 and Marv saw an opportunity to sell that two-acre parcel 617 00:34:14,986 --> 00:34:18,207 that he had bought at that auction to the Docheffs. 618 00:34:18,251 --> 00:34:21,993 Marv put a price on his property of $250,000. 619 00:34:22,516 --> 00:34:26,085 That's a pretty good profit, six times what he paid for it. 620 00:34:26,128 --> 00:34:28,087 Cody had agreed to 250,000. 621 00:34:28,130 --> 00:34:31,002 Immediately, Marv backed out and said no, 622 00:34:31,046 --> 00:34:32,874 I want 375,000. 623 00:34:32,917 --> 00:34:34,832 Cody said all right, we'll pay that. 624 00:34:34,876 --> 00:34:36,704 Marv backed out again. 625 00:34:36,747 --> 00:34:39,272 I'm not sure if Marv was looking for a fight 626 00:34:39,315 --> 00:34:42,579 at that point in time. He had a way out. 627 00:34:42,623 --> 00:34:44,581 He had a way out to make some good money 628 00:34:44,625 --> 00:34:46,757 and, and go on about his life, 629 00:34:46,801 --> 00:34:49,064 but he chose that path for whatever reason. 630 00:34:51,414 --> 00:34:54,896 At the town level, the people on there are just 631 00:34:54,939 --> 00:34:57,725 everyday people that want to give back. 632 00:34:58,508 --> 00:35:00,945 And to say that the people that sit behind us 633 00:35:00,989 --> 00:35:04,253 in this board room do things for any other reason 634 00:35:04,993 --> 00:35:11,565 than trying to make a difference and trying to do what's right, they're sadly mistaken. 635 00:35:11,608 --> 00:35:13,828 He was raising hell about Cody and the batch plant, 636 00:35:14,524 --> 00:35:20,095 Marv... actually made that better for the town 637 00:35:20,139 --> 00:35:25,753 because he was raising issues that the people on the board they hadn't thought about. 638 00:35:26,623 --> 00:35:29,931 So he'd come in and he'd say, "well, what about dust?" or this, or that or whatever, 639 00:35:31,150 --> 00:35:34,153 they'd go, "Well, that makes sense to me. What do you think, Cody?" 640 00:35:34,196 --> 00:35:35,719 "Oh, yeah, I can fix that, no big deal." 641 00:35:36,981 --> 00:35:39,810 So we really got a better deal for the town 642 00:35:39,854 --> 00:35:42,248 because of Marv complaining. 643 00:35:42,291 --> 00:35:45,294 Well, after we approved it, it was, actually, I-- I felt like it was 644 00:35:46,513 --> 00:35:48,950 a pretty damn good deal, really. 645 00:35:48,993 --> 00:35:51,170 Marv's assumption that there was this group 646 00:35:51,213 --> 00:35:53,346 of community leaders that would get together 647 00:35:53,389 --> 00:35:55,043 at the coffee shop in the morning and 648 00:35:55,086 --> 00:35:57,437 conspire about how to keep Marv 649 00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,613 from moving forward because he's the new guy... 650 00:36:00,570 --> 00:36:01,963 It's patently untrue. 651 00:36:02,833 --> 00:36:06,533 He was upset. He wanted to have it his way 652 00:36:06,576 --> 00:36:08,274 and it wasn't gonna go his way. 653 00:36:20,024 --> 00:36:23,724 Marv went to California probably based on an advertisement 654 00:36:23,767 --> 00:36:25,943 he saw in a Ritchie Bros. auction site 655 00:36:25,987 --> 00:36:30,078 for this Komatsu D355 bulldozer. 656 00:36:30,818 --> 00:36:32,689 Marv bid on it and got it at a great deal. 657 00:36:37,912 --> 00:36:41,263 It's a big dozer, yeah, big dozer. 658 00:36:41,307 --> 00:36:43,352 He then stuck it on a flatbed, had it driven 659 00:36:43,396 --> 00:36:46,225 all the way to Granby, Colorado, from California. 660 00:36:46,268 --> 00:36:49,358 He had it delivered in July of 2002. 661 00:36:49,402 --> 00:36:51,969 We're sitting eating dinner one night and this big yellow truck 662 00:36:52,013 --> 00:36:54,755 comes in town with this big dozer on it. We sat down there and watched them 663 00:36:54,798 --> 00:36:56,452 unload that thing off the trailer. 664 00:36:56,496 --> 00:36:58,585 But we were working the next county up, 665 00:36:58,628 --> 00:37:01,501 and it was midnight or one in the morning 666 00:37:01,544 --> 00:37:05,679 before we got back to our warehouse, but we took the back way. 667 00:37:05,722 --> 00:37:08,551 And they're unloading that dozer 668 00:37:08,595 --> 00:37:11,902 that night. It's just really strange. 669 00:37:11,946 --> 00:37:14,601 That thing, it's a pretty good-sized tractor. We thought, 670 00:37:14,644 --> 00:37:17,560 "What in the heck is he gonna do with that goddam thing, you know?" 671 00:37:17,604 --> 00:37:20,911 He ended up parking the dozer up on the access road 672 00:37:20,955 --> 00:37:25,829 to the muffler property so that the blade was facing out on this dirt road. 673 00:37:26,439 --> 00:37:29,050 And he had right in the middle of the blade, a for sale sign. 674 00:37:29,616 --> 00:37:33,402 And it just sat there through that winter of 2002 to 2003. 675 00:37:33,446 --> 00:37:37,319 He parked Komatsu outside the muffler shop 676 00:37:37,363 --> 00:37:39,452 just to make Docheff nervous. 677 00:37:40,279 --> 00:37:43,630 That's why he bought it-- for the intimidation factor. 678 00:37:51,159 --> 00:37:53,901 I wanted these people to learn, 679 00:37:54,510 --> 00:37:59,167 and he knew that I eventually would get to the point 680 00:37:59,210 --> 00:38:02,649 where I wouldn't put up with what they were taking away from me, 681 00:38:02,692 --> 00:38:04,694 for what they had denied me. 682 00:38:04,738 --> 00:38:07,131 God knew Marv Heemeyer very well. 683 00:38:09,743 --> 00:38:13,964 Essentially, he becomes the victim that is then justified 684 00:38:14,008 --> 00:38:16,837 in reacting against all these people that have done him wrong. 685 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,970 We know he wants to get out of it. We know he knows he's screwed. 686 00:38:20,014 --> 00:38:22,451 Let's really screw him, you know. 687 00:38:22,495 --> 00:38:24,845 That's exactly what their attitude was. 688 00:38:24,888 --> 00:38:28,283 And, and they did. I had no choice. 689 00:38:28,327 --> 00:38:29,893 What was I supposed to do? 690 00:38:32,026 --> 00:38:36,204 The allegation is that somehow the town ruined Marv's business-- 691 00:38:36,247 --> 00:38:38,467 the town didn't do anything to shut him down. 692 00:38:38,511 --> 00:38:41,209 He still had access to his property. 693 00:38:41,252 --> 00:38:44,430 Marv just on his own decided to completely shut down his muffler shop 694 00:38:44,473 --> 00:38:46,127 and put it all up to auction. 695 00:38:47,650 --> 00:38:51,350 You know, God has his timing, his plans made out. 696 00:38:51,959 --> 00:38:54,048 And it looks like it's going to be 697 00:38:54,091 --> 00:38:56,442 because the one thing that I have wanted to do 698 00:38:56,485 --> 00:38:59,619 is get caught. I had hoped that somebody would catch me 699 00:38:59,662 --> 00:39:01,621 and that this whole thing would stop. 700 00:39:02,230 --> 00:39:04,406 And that would be a good sign for me not to do it. 701 00:39:06,539 --> 00:39:08,932 So Marv conducted the auction of all the materials 702 00:39:08,976 --> 00:39:11,805 relating to his shop. Included in the items 703 00:39:11,848 --> 00:39:14,198 he was gonna auction was this dozer. 704 00:39:14,938 --> 00:39:17,811 This Komatsu was in excellent condition. 705 00:39:17,854 --> 00:39:21,989 I was willing at the auction to take 33,000 for it. 706 00:39:22,598 --> 00:39:26,080 Couldn't get a bid, so I kept the dozer. 707 00:39:26,689 --> 00:39:30,519 And it also is unique how I had five things 708 00:39:30,563 --> 00:39:33,000 at the auction and they sold. 709 00:39:33,696 --> 00:39:35,394 But what two things did I keep? 710 00:39:36,003 --> 00:39:39,093 The Komatsu dozer and the property. 711 00:39:39,136 --> 00:39:41,356 If they would have bought it at that auction 712 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,316 of 450,000, I would have walked away, 713 00:39:46,187 --> 00:39:48,798 but there wasn't one bid. 714 00:39:50,234 --> 00:39:52,367 So stop and think about this: 715 00:39:53,107 --> 00:39:56,458 I wasn't supposed to walk away from this 716 00:39:56,502 --> 00:39:59,243 because the Komatsu was still there. 717 00:40:06,642 --> 00:40:09,297 You know I had quit smoking for nine years 718 00:40:09,340 --> 00:40:11,604 and I'd become this closet smoker, you know. 719 00:40:11,647 --> 00:40:14,128 I'd sneak them, which is ridiculous, I know. 720 00:40:14,171 --> 00:40:17,044 And he, uh, he didn't like that 721 00:40:18,045 --> 00:40:20,264 and we got into an argument about it. 722 00:40:20,308 --> 00:40:22,397 That's when things went downhill, 723 00:40:23,572 --> 00:40:25,574 and then we quit seeing each other. 724 00:40:26,445 --> 00:40:30,057 It was maybe easier to, to break it up, you know. 725 00:40:32,451 --> 00:40:36,498 I don't know the details, but just him talking about her, 726 00:40:38,457 --> 00:40:42,199 he was very in love with her. I knew that. 727 00:40:42,243 --> 00:40:45,202 Is it possible that he felt stronger about you than you did him? 728 00:40:53,167 --> 00:40:56,039 Marv was still perplexed about what to do with his property. 729 00:40:56,083 --> 00:40:59,521 Travis Busse and his partner were owners of the trash company. 730 00:40:59,565 --> 00:41:02,611 They had negotiated with Marv to lease his two acres 731 00:41:02,655 --> 00:41:05,396 as a staging point for their trucks. 732 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:09,357 And I was trying to look for an area where it was more commercial, 733 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,534 than I could actually have a garage that I could keep my trucks in the winter. 734 00:41:12,578 --> 00:41:15,494 He had the perfect building right there in town. 735 00:41:15,537 --> 00:41:19,410 What was unique is I find out that the dozer 736 00:41:19,454 --> 00:41:21,848 is two inches shorter 737 00:41:21,891 --> 00:41:23,197 than 12 feet, 738 00:41:23,240 --> 00:41:25,025 one inch narrower 739 00:41:25,068 --> 00:41:26,461 than the door. 740 00:41:26,505 --> 00:41:28,637 So I said let's put it inside 741 00:41:28,681 --> 00:41:30,552 because then I can build it 742 00:41:30,596 --> 00:41:32,598 to do what I am supposed to do. 743 00:41:33,729 --> 00:41:36,950 The Komatsu just barely fit through the door. 744 00:41:38,734 --> 00:41:43,434 Why did that particular dozer fit in the building? 745 00:41:44,479 --> 00:41:48,657 Why had I not bought one of the D9s at that Fresno auction. 746 00:41:49,571 --> 00:41:53,488 So, so I'm thinking, "Well, this is good. I get it inside, now I can build it. 747 00:41:54,750 --> 00:41:56,447 Must be what I'm supposed to do." 748 00:42:00,190 --> 00:42:02,279 At that time, we were getting bigger 749 00:42:02,323 --> 00:42:05,282 and we needed a place to where we could call home. 750 00:42:05,326 --> 00:42:08,764 Travis finally offered Marv $400,000 751 00:42:08,808 --> 00:42:11,375 and Marv agreed to sell the land to them 752 00:42:11,419 --> 00:42:14,901 for that amount. Sure enough, I think it was even within 24 hours, 753 00:42:14,944 --> 00:42:17,599 Travis had water and sewer hooked up to the property. 754 00:42:17,643 --> 00:42:20,907 We bought it all and he basically back rented from us 755 00:42:20,950 --> 00:42:23,300 the building that he put the dozer in. 756 00:42:23,866 --> 00:42:27,827 And this will be the first time that I've ever done something like that 757 00:42:27,870 --> 00:42:30,699 the way they want it to be done, the way they do it, 758 00:42:30,743 --> 00:42:34,616 to do it in secret, to do things behind their back, 759 00:42:34,660 --> 00:42:37,010 to lie to you. I've had to do that. 760 00:42:37,053 --> 00:42:40,143 People'd ask me what am I doing? Oh, I'm not doin' anything. 761 00:42:40,187 --> 00:42:44,060 I spent 2003 in that friggin' building, 762 00:42:44,104 --> 00:42:48,456 lived there without a shower for as much as four days at a time, 763 00:42:48,499 --> 00:42:52,112 working on that dozer, getting it prepared. 764 00:42:52,155 --> 00:42:54,505 Marv built a little sleeping area, 765 00:42:54,549 --> 00:42:57,596 complete with cot, TV, hotplate, water, 766 00:42:58,248 --> 00:43:01,774 so that he could basically work 24/7 on the dozer. 767 00:43:03,297 --> 00:43:05,995 He ended up bringing in all the sheets of steel into the shed. 768 00:43:06,039 --> 00:43:09,259 He had torches in the shed. He had all kinds of tools in the shed. 769 00:43:10,957 --> 00:43:16,832 He built a lift which could lift large, heavy things, mainly sheets of steel. 770 00:43:16,876 --> 00:43:20,314 It actually lifted 'em up and held 'em in place while he welded 'em in place. 771 00:43:20,357 --> 00:43:24,884 It was 1/2-inch steel. He had spacers that he put in, 772 00:43:24,927 --> 00:43:28,278 so he had two layers of steel plate. 773 00:43:28,322 --> 00:43:31,151 And he poured concrete down in between them. 774 00:43:31,194 --> 00:43:34,154 And then lifted the outer shell of that dozer. 775 00:43:34,197 --> 00:43:36,504 So that made it a super fortified gap. 776 00:43:37,374 --> 00:43:40,334 He was working on it at night, sleeping during the day, so, 777 00:43:40,377 --> 00:43:44,686 but you'd think somebody would've known what was going on down there. But, evidently... 778 00:43:45,731 --> 00:43:49,169 And he put in surveillance cameras on the outside of the shed, 779 00:43:49,212 --> 00:43:51,867 hooked up to monitors he had on inside of the shed. 780 00:43:51,911 --> 00:43:54,435 I think he kind of watched us and our schedule, 781 00:43:54,478 --> 00:43:57,743 so he knew that basically when we left at five or six at night 782 00:43:57,786 --> 00:43:59,832 he was free to work and make noise. 783 00:44:01,964 --> 00:44:05,011 I don't understand. I guess I'm a dumb, I'm a dumb person. 784 00:44:05,054 --> 00:44:08,318 I'm not as witty as some. I'm not as sharp as some. 785 00:44:09,972 --> 00:44:12,671 I don't know that that's the backbone of America though. 786 00:44:13,410 --> 00:44:16,196 I don't know what the backbone of America is anymore. 787 00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,328 I did my buying that property-- 788 00:44:18,372 --> 00:44:21,680 you are so mistaken about the real world. 789 00:44:21,723 --> 00:44:25,205 You know, you can call it revenge... I don't know. 790 00:44:25,814 --> 00:44:28,034 Maybe what happened here, 791 00:44:29,296 --> 00:44:31,211 maybe you'll remember that. 792 00:44:31,254 --> 00:44:34,823 Marv knew he was gonna be spending long periods of time 793 00:44:34,867 --> 00:44:38,566 in the shed, and he had in there a little small video collection 794 00:44:38,609 --> 00:44:41,351 that he could watch. One of the movies he had in there 795 00:44:41,395 --> 00:44:43,789 was a Vin Diesel film, called A Man Apart. 796 00:44:43,832 --> 00:44:48,010 The hero of the movie loses his wife to a gang of criminals. 797 00:44:48,054 --> 00:44:50,839 He takes the law into his own hands, goes out there, 798 00:44:50,883 --> 00:44:54,843 shoots up the bad guys, and the movie ends with him alone, 799 00:44:54,887 --> 00:44:58,586 but he has somehow redeemed and purified the corrupt society. 800 00:45:00,501 --> 00:45:03,112 When we purchased the property, we had to have insurance on every building, 801 00:45:03,156 --> 00:45:06,115 so we had to actually do a walkthrough through that building. 802 00:45:07,203 --> 00:45:12,382 Last fall I had this dozer about half done. 803 00:45:12,426 --> 00:45:15,124 Had the dozer covered up with these polypropylene tarps, 804 00:45:16,038 --> 00:45:19,041 so these guys come in. "Oh, wow, what's this?" 805 00:45:19,085 --> 00:45:21,783 I made up this story. I said this professor 806 00:45:21,827 --> 00:45:24,264 was perfecting a cooling system 807 00:45:24,307 --> 00:45:27,006 which would cool the air and increase 808 00:45:27,049 --> 00:45:29,704 the performance of the engine. 809 00:45:30,749 --> 00:45:33,186 I had this whole bullshit story 810 00:45:33,229 --> 00:45:35,623 and they went along with it. And I couldn't believe it 811 00:45:35,666 --> 00:45:37,581 when they walked out the door. 812 00:45:37,625 --> 00:45:40,497 It was right there under their nose. 813 00:45:40,541 --> 00:45:43,065 How come they didn't catch me? 814 00:45:43,109 --> 00:45:45,894 Well, I wasn't supposed to get caught! 815 00:45:47,853 --> 00:45:50,507 God built me to be here to prove to you 816 00:45:50,551 --> 00:45:52,422 that what you have been doing 817 00:45:52,466 --> 00:45:54,598 for God knows how many years 818 00:45:54,642 --> 00:45:55,861 is wrong. 819 00:45:57,340 --> 00:45:59,821 You picked on the wrong man. 820 00:45:59,865 --> 00:46:01,083 I'm not tough. 821 00:46:01,910 --> 00:46:03,869 I'm not that strong. 822 00:46:03,912 --> 00:46:06,610 What I am going to do is above me, 823 00:46:07,220 --> 00:46:10,092 and God gave me that peace years ago 824 00:46:10,136 --> 00:46:13,356 in that hot tub. I had to do this. 825 00:46:13,966 --> 00:46:16,446 That I could not do it without God's help 826 00:46:17,186 --> 00:46:21,843 that it was his strength that would spur me on 827 00:46:21,887 --> 00:46:26,326 at 51 and 52 years old to get this job done 828 00:46:26,935 --> 00:46:29,111 at the pace that I could do it. 829 00:46:30,025 --> 00:46:33,507 I believe that is why he gave me last winter off. 830 00:46:40,166 --> 00:46:42,690 He says, "Marv, you're not gonna get it done, 831 00:46:42,733 --> 00:46:44,997 go take off this winter, go play." 832 00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,347 It was wintertime, I'm not gonna be here. 833 00:46:47,390 --> 00:46:50,263 Everything's sold. I don't have a muffler shop anymore. 834 00:46:50,306 --> 00:46:51,612 I'm gonna go snowmobiling. 835 00:47:13,982 --> 00:47:17,594 Marv actually really did succeed in Granby. 836 00:47:17,638 --> 00:47:20,641 He bought that property for $42,000. 837 00:47:20,684 --> 00:47:24,645 He was able to sell it ten years later for $400,000. 838 00:47:26,125 --> 00:47:29,258 And, in fact, that was the very thing he had been trying to do all along. 839 00:47:31,347 --> 00:47:33,349 Marv says in his own tapes 840 00:47:33,393 --> 00:47:35,569 that his muffler business was successful. 841 00:47:35,612 --> 00:47:38,485 It gave him an opportunity to do what he wanted to do in life, 842 00:47:38,528 --> 00:47:42,271 to enjoy his snowmobiling and still have money so he could live. 843 00:47:47,755 --> 00:47:50,758 But you've got to do this. You've got to get this done. 844 00:47:50,801 --> 00:47:53,065 And that was my goal so to speak, 845 00:47:53,108 --> 00:47:54,980 take the winter off, relax, 846 00:47:55,023 --> 00:47:57,417 you know, maybe something would come up 847 00:47:57,460 --> 00:47:58,853 to change my mind. 848 00:48:06,643 --> 00:48:10,691 In March of 2004, Marv's father dies. 849 00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,564 Marv did go up to the funeral. 850 00:48:15,478 --> 00:48:16,436 He took photos. 851 00:48:17,698 --> 00:48:19,787 In the photos you see family members. 852 00:48:19,830 --> 00:48:22,659 You see photos of Marv's father in the casket. 853 00:48:23,922 --> 00:48:26,402 Included was a selfie that Marv took 854 00:48:27,012 --> 00:48:30,406 outside the family farm there in South Dakota. 855 00:48:31,494 --> 00:48:34,497 And it's a mournful, sad-looking photo. 856 00:48:35,411 --> 00:48:38,197 A look of resignation is on Marv's face. 857 00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:41,156 It's almost as if he's saying, "I know what I am gonna do 858 00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,246 and I'm not happy about it. And this is my last look at my home." 859 00:48:45,639 --> 00:48:48,816 But before that, Marv had given all the proceeds 860 00:48:48,859 --> 00:48:50,861 from the sale of the lot 861 00:48:50,905 --> 00:48:54,691 and of all of his material and equipment to his father. 862 00:48:55,605 --> 00:48:58,043 You know, it's gone. Now money means nothing to me. 863 00:48:58,086 --> 00:48:59,958 I've given my house away. 864 00:49:00,001 --> 00:49:02,221 I do not need this cabin here in Grand Lake. 865 00:49:03,091 --> 00:49:05,572 My snowmobiles, I've given those away this year. 866 00:49:05,615 --> 00:49:07,922 Everything is gone. 867 00:49:08,575 --> 00:49:11,970 What I own is just gonna be a pittance 868 00:49:12,622 --> 00:49:14,581 compared to what I am going to take. 869 00:49:17,062 --> 00:49:21,849 Marv transferred the sale proceeds from his bank 870 00:49:21,892 --> 00:49:24,983 in $50,000 increments. 871 00:49:25,026 --> 00:49:28,116 Prior to his father's passing, 872 00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:32,381 his father conveyed those sale proceeds 873 00:49:32,425 --> 00:49:35,689 to Marv's two brothers and sister. 874 00:49:35,732 --> 00:49:38,822 By giving them to his father and willing all that 875 00:49:38,866 --> 00:49:40,650 to the other members of the family, 876 00:49:40,694 --> 00:49:42,913 it was one big step removed from Marv 877 00:49:42,957 --> 00:49:46,047 so that when the time came to try to get resources 878 00:49:46,091 --> 00:49:49,137 back from Marv to reimburse people who had lost, 879 00:49:49,790 --> 00:49:51,748 uh, it was near impossible. 880 00:49:53,881 --> 00:49:58,059 This is Tape 3. It's about 10:05 on, uh, 881 00:49:58,103 --> 00:50:00,192 the 13th of April 2004. 882 00:50:01,367 --> 00:50:03,238 And I want to say that I believe 883 00:50:03,282 --> 00:50:05,240 that I am an American patriot. 884 00:50:05,980 --> 00:50:08,113 I believe in free enterprise system. 885 00:50:08,765 --> 00:50:11,899 I believe in a level playing field of competition. 886 00:50:12,595 --> 00:50:15,511 If you want to change that level playing field 887 00:50:15,555 --> 00:50:18,732 of competition to your advantage, basically, 888 00:50:18,775 --> 00:50:22,605 you give me license to do that also 889 00:50:22,649 --> 00:50:24,607 when my opportunity comes around 890 00:50:25,260 --> 00:50:28,089 because you are the leaders of the community. 891 00:50:28,133 --> 00:50:30,831 Through your actions, you show the community 892 00:50:30,874 --> 00:50:33,051 how things are supposed to be done. 893 00:50:33,921 --> 00:50:37,838 You have given me license through your example 894 00:50:37,881 --> 00:50:40,188 to do what I need to do. 895 00:50:40,232 --> 00:50:45,063 When I do this, that levels the playing field in my favor, 896 00:50:45,106 --> 00:50:47,674 so now we've got a lopsided playing field 897 00:50:47,717 --> 00:50:49,980 because when I come back at you, 898 00:50:51,243 --> 00:50:54,289 I'm gonna destroy your side of the playing field. 899 00:51:07,998 --> 00:51:12,307 He wanted everybody to hear what he felt about what happened to him, 900 00:51:12,916 --> 00:51:15,832 but I won't even listen to 'em, you know. 901 00:51:15,876 --> 00:51:19,619 I listened a little bit and I said, "Nah, I don't need to listen to this," you know. 902 00:51:20,359 --> 00:51:24,537 He told me in his roundabout way through life, you know. 903 00:51:25,842 --> 00:51:26,756 Lonely man. 904 00:51:27,975 --> 00:51:29,672 He would just spend too much time alone. 905 00:51:30,586 --> 00:51:32,197 That's what I put it onto. 906 00:51:33,328 --> 00:51:35,765 He spent too much time in hot tub alone. 907 00:51:41,423 --> 00:51:44,165 At the time I went to work for a dentist 908 00:51:45,601 --> 00:51:48,126 we ended up doing a crown prep on Marv 909 00:51:49,083 --> 00:51:51,738 and he was to come back that actual Friday 910 00:51:52,304 --> 00:51:54,828 and seat the permanent crown. 911 00:51:54,871 --> 00:51:58,527 I said, "Marv, you need to get the hell out of Grand County," 912 00:51:58,571 --> 00:52:02,096 I remember it vividly. And he gave me a big hug and he said, "Trish..." 913 00:52:03,619 --> 00:52:06,535 he said, "You are the best thing that ever happened to me in Grand County." 914 00:52:06,579 --> 00:52:08,581 I just remember that so vividly. 915 00:52:09,451 --> 00:52:13,499 And... you know, he was gonna do this thing three weeks later. 916 00:52:13,542 --> 00:52:17,894 He already had it planned, you know, so nuts to think about that. 917 00:52:17,938 --> 00:52:21,246 And I would never have guessed. You know, he seemed like 918 00:52:21,289 --> 00:52:25,119 it was so great to see him and, and it was great to have a hug, 919 00:52:25,163 --> 00:52:26,251 you know. 920 00:52:31,256 --> 00:52:34,041 I went snowmobiling with Marv a month before it happened, 921 00:52:35,129 --> 00:52:38,045 early May on Vail Pass, just he and I. 922 00:52:38,698 --> 00:52:41,004 We had plans of going again in June 923 00:52:41,048 --> 00:52:42,441 just to say we did it. 924 00:52:43,268 --> 00:52:45,226 And these are future plans. 925 00:52:45,270 --> 00:52:47,315 He wasn't done. 926 00:52:49,535 --> 00:52:52,015 And he spent a couple of weeks in Florida with some friends. 927 00:52:54,322 --> 00:52:56,759 He talked about it on the way to Vail. 928 00:52:56,803 --> 00:52:58,718 He said they're gonna get what's coming to 'em. 929 00:53:13,385 --> 00:53:16,953 So here we are and I am at peace with what I am about to do. 930 00:53:17,911 --> 00:53:22,002 People will think, "Why did he do that? He had such a good life. 931 00:53:22,045 --> 00:53:23,873 He had a better life than me anyway." 932 00:53:24,874 --> 00:53:26,615 It's not what I deserve. 933 00:53:27,355 --> 00:53:29,401 You meddled in my business 934 00:53:29,444 --> 00:53:31,925 and took what I deserve away. 935 00:53:31,968 --> 00:53:34,536 You took advantage of my good nature. 936 00:53:34,580 --> 00:53:37,017 Well, I think there's something you should learn here. 937 00:53:37,583 --> 00:53:39,498 For as good as a man can be, 938 00:53:39,541 --> 00:53:41,151 also can he be as bad. 939 00:53:42,109 --> 00:53:45,373 When you visit evil upon someone, 940 00:53:45,417 --> 00:53:48,071 be assured it will revisit you. 941 00:53:49,464 --> 00:53:51,988 The Thompsons are guilty. 942 00:53:52,032 --> 00:53:54,513 The Docheffs are guilty. 943 00:53:54,556 --> 00:53:57,777 The Granby Town Board is guilty. 944 00:53:57,820 --> 00:54:01,302 The Granby Planning Commission is guilty. 945 00:54:02,260 --> 00:54:04,305 It took all of you 946 00:54:04,349 --> 00:54:07,134 ten years to get me. 947 00:54:07,177 --> 00:54:09,267 You got me, no doubt about it. 948 00:54:09,310 --> 00:54:11,138 I got screwed big time. 949 00:54:12,487 --> 00:54:13,923 Enough is enough. 950 00:54:14,924 --> 00:54:16,839 I have been beaten to a point 951 00:54:16,883 --> 00:54:19,277 where I'm not gonna take it anymore. 952 00:54:20,408 --> 00:54:22,715 But I don't think that's what God had planned for me, 953 00:54:22,758 --> 00:54:26,458 and he expects me to do something to those 954 00:54:26,501 --> 00:54:30,375 who kept me now from getting what I deserve. 955 00:54:31,201 --> 00:54:33,726 God's will be done through me. 956 00:54:41,516 --> 00:54:44,998 You were cowards in the way that you dealt with me. 957 00:54:46,260 --> 00:54:49,045 You all along were thinking that I was the person 958 00:54:49,089 --> 00:54:51,047 that needed to be taught a lesson. 959 00:54:52,701 --> 00:54:58,141 You were going to show me how it worked in Granby, Colorado. 960 00:54:58,185 --> 00:55:00,666 How the real world worked. 961 00:55:04,365 --> 00:55:07,890 You people needed to be taught a lesson. 962 00:55:57,287 --> 00:56:00,726 - 911, what is your emergency? - This is Sherry at the trash company. 963 00:56:00,769 --> 00:56:04,947 And there is a bulldozer over at Mountain Park Concrete destroying their building. 964 00:56:04,991 --> 00:56:09,691 -It's destroying the building? Is anyone on it? -Yeah, it's encased in metal 965 00:56:09,735 --> 00:56:11,998 and you can't see who's driving or anything. 966 00:56:12,041 --> 00:56:13,391 And they can't get it to stop. 967 00:56:25,098 --> 00:56:29,102 - 911, what's your emergency? - Hi, Sherry at the trash company again. It is headed 968 00:56:29,145 --> 00:56:32,453 -for their main building now. - It's headed for the main building, okay. 969 00:56:32,497 --> 00:56:35,108 Cody had grabbed a handgun from one of his workers. 970 00:56:39,808 --> 00:56:42,768 He takes the gun up and bang, bang. 971 00:56:42,811 --> 00:56:45,597 Not only is the diesel engine screaming 972 00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:48,513 as it's pushing the dozer, but the treads, 973 00:56:48,556 --> 00:56:51,820 they're creaking and scraping as the roar of the engine, 974 00:56:51,864 --> 00:56:55,041 then there's just the sound of crash and ruin, 975 00:56:55,084 --> 00:56:57,478 because he's really knocking all these walls down. 976 00:56:57,522 --> 00:57:01,439 The tracks are probably the most memorable thing. 977 00:57:01,482 --> 00:57:05,268 Our goal was to get the heaviest thing we could pack by hand, 978 00:57:05,312 --> 00:57:07,880 because if you can get tangled up in some steel 979 00:57:07,923 --> 00:57:09,708 you're gonna stop that track. 980 00:57:09,751 --> 00:57:12,885 We got a big piece of angle iron off 981 00:57:12,928 --> 00:57:14,887 of Cody Docheff's steel rack, 982 00:57:14,930 --> 00:57:18,456 it's probably 1/2-inch diameter, so it was really heavy. 983 00:57:19,892 --> 00:57:24,244 Our intentions was to try to lodge that into the tracks 984 00:57:24,287 --> 00:57:26,725 and get it tangled up so it'd break the track. 985 00:57:27,900 --> 00:57:28,944 That didn't work. 986 00:57:50,705 --> 00:57:55,144 We have an armored, a very armored situation and it's getting closer. 987 00:57:55,188 --> 00:57:58,060 301, I copy, there's an armored bulldozer tearing down the building. 988 00:57:58,104 --> 00:57:59,497 There are several deputies in route. 989 00:57:59,540 --> 00:58:01,020 At the time of the call, 990 00:58:01,063 --> 00:58:03,544 which was about a quarter after two 991 00:58:03,588 --> 00:58:06,591 in the afternoon, I was approximately a mile away. 992 00:58:06,634 --> 00:58:08,810 I pulled up and stopped my car, 993 00:58:08,854 --> 00:58:12,684 and there's a bulldozer that doesn't completely look 994 00:58:12,727 --> 00:58:16,514 like a bulldozer anymore. I had grabbed a shotgun and 995 00:58:16,557 --> 00:58:19,386 ran towards the bulldozer. I'm yelling, 996 00:58:19,429 --> 00:58:23,129 I am ordering it to stop. It backs away from the building, 997 00:58:23,172 --> 00:58:26,654 and a frontend loader approaches it. 998 00:58:26,698 --> 00:58:30,440 And I see the frontend loader is being operated by Cody Docheff. 999 00:58:30,484 --> 00:58:33,095 I told Cody, "Get the biggest loader you got 1000 00:58:33,139 --> 00:58:36,403 and see if you can get underneath his track to uplift him." 1001 00:58:36,446 --> 00:58:40,059 And Cody did. He backed up with a big loader and hit him. 1002 00:58:40,102 --> 00:58:43,671 So he takes his frontend loader and slams into the side of him. 1003 00:58:53,986 --> 00:58:57,511 And all it did was lift the back of the frontend loader up. 1004 00:59:14,093 --> 00:59:19,533 It shook him hard enough that I think that's when Marv started letting out the rounds. 1005 00:59:19,577 --> 00:59:22,841 Marv had a 50-caliber rifle pointed out the back. 1006 00:59:22,884 --> 00:59:25,713 He shot numerous rounds into Cody's bucket. 1007 00:59:25,757 --> 00:59:30,283 We have shots fired. We have automatic weapons in the bulldozer. 1008 00:59:35,767 --> 00:59:38,465 Luckily, all the rounds hit in the bucket. 1009 00:59:38,508 --> 00:59:41,163 Cody figures out where he is and he's not hit. He's okay. 1010 00:59:41,207 --> 00:59:43,688 And he backs up and he thinks, "What am I gonna do now?" 1011 00:59:43,731 --> 00:59:47,039 Shortly after that, Cody realized that that was too much. He was done. 1012 00:59:47,082 --> 00:59:50,738 That's when the officers started surrounding the place. 1013 00:59:50,782 --> 00:59:54,524 And I transitioned from a shotgun to an M-4 rifle. 1014 00:59:54,568 --> 00:59:58,485 And about that time I was joined by a state trooper, Dave Patera. 1015 00:59:59,878 --> 01:00:03,011 At first, Cody speculated that there's not a human being in there 1016 01:00:03,055 --> 01:00:05,405 it's being run by radio controls. 1017 01:00:20,115 --> 01:00:23,162 The dozer's continuing its damage. It's going in and out of the building, 1018 01:00:23,205 --> 01:00:25,947 slamming into this huge concrete batch plant, 1019 01:00:25,991 --> 01:00:29,472 essentially, knocking down all the sidewalls, just destroying it. 1020 01:00:29,516 --> 01:00:32,345 Well, at this point there's more police on the scene. 1021 01:00:32,388 --> 01:00:34,913 Okay, I'm gonna pull right up behind him... 1022 01:00:34,956 --> 01:00:37,567 I'll go back around over the ditch on foot. 1023 01:00:37,611 --> 01:00:39,961 I came in on the west side of the batch plant, 1024 01:00:40,005 --> 01:00:42,442 bailed out of the vehicle, pulled my rifle out. 1025 01:00:42,485 --> 01:00:45,575 And I could hear the squeaking of the tracks 1026 01:00:45,619 --> 01:00:49,188 and the roaring of the engine, the banging into the building, 1027 01:00:49,231 --> 01:00:51,277 but I still didn't see anything. 1028 01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:54,193 Once I got close to the building around skirting 1029 01:00:54,236 --> 01:00:57,413 an irrigation ditch, Marv come around the building 1030 01:00:57,457 --> 01:01:01,026 in that bulldozer and that's when I got my first look of it. 1031 01:01:02,114 --> 01:01:04,769 I don't know, I expected to see a bulldozer. 1032 01:01:04,812 --> 01:01:06,118 It looks like a tank. 1033 01:01:06,771 --> 01:01:11,514 There's this huge black monstrosity. 1034 01:01:11,558 --> 01:01:15,823 I mean almost like a WWI big boxy, rumbly tank. 1035 01:01:16,432 --> 01:01:19,827 And then the next thing you're thinking is, "how, how do you attack 1036 01:01:19,871 --> 01:01:22,656 something like this? How do I stop this?" 1037 01:01:22,700 --> 01:01:26,181 When I arrived on scene, I could hear the bulldozer operating. 1038 01:01:26,225 --> 01:01:30,490 I walked around my vehicle and saw this absolute behemoth. 1039 01:01:31,665 --> 01:01:34,886 Sergeant Rich Garner was our designated marksman. 1040 01:01:34,929 --> 01:01:38,977 I just started shooting, trying to aim for what looked like a viewport. 1041 01:01:39,020 --> 01:01:41,936 We made the decision to begin firing at the small portholes 1042 01:01:41,980 --> 01:01:44,591 that we could see in the side of this bulldozer 1043 01:01:44,634 --> 01:01:49,074 but they were maybe two inches by four inches at the very most. 1044 01:01:49,117 --> 01:01:52,381 What I didn't know was that these portholes 1045 01:01:52,425 --> 01:01:55,471 were covered with two sheets of 1/2-inch Lexan, 1046 01:01:55,515 --> 01:01:58,170 which had me wondering how he was actually driving this thing. 1047 01:01:58,213 --> 01:02:01,477 Garner stands there and takes a few shots at the dozer. 1048 01:02:01,521 --> 01:02:03,653 Then all of a sudden bang, bang. 1049 01:02:03,697 --> 01:02:05,786 I had two rounds go right by my head 1050 01:02:05,830 --> 01:02:08,702 and I was like, "Oh, I know what that noise is." 1051 01:02:09,659 --> 01:02:13,185 Marv fired his weapons and he fired at a bunch of cops 1052 01:02:13,228 --> 01:02:15,796 that were standing behind a wall of jersey barriers. 1053 01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:17,929 You know as we started firing 1054 01:02:17,972 --> 01:02:20,583 of course, the rounds were having absolutely no effect 1055 01:02:20,627 --> 01:02:23,064 he saw three state troopers behind 1056 01:02:23,108 --> 01:02:26,067 a stack of jersey barriers that were next to the building. 1057 01:02:26,111 --> 01:02:29,114 Watch out. The guy's gonna come over here with a bulldozer. 1058 01:02:29,157 --> 01:02:31,943 Instead of just going by them, he turned 1059 01:02:31,986 --> 01:02:34,293 and drove directly at those Jersey barriers. 1060 01:02:35,381 --> 01:02:38,166 Come over. Go, run! Come over. Come over. 1061 01:02:41,213 --> 01:02:45,173 If those troopers hadn't moved, he'd have probably killed all three of them. 1062 01:02:48,350 --> 01:02:52,006 He started proceeding eastbound through the parking lot 1063 01:02:52,050 --> 01:02:56,010 and the construction area. I had parked my vehicle on the south side of the building. 1064 01:02:57,838 --> 01:03:01,189 At that time, Marv moved back around to the south side of the building, 1065 01:03:01,233 --> 01:03:04,802 and Glenn Trainor's unmarked vehicle was over there. 1066 01:03:04,845 --> 01:03:07,369 He put the blade up against that and started pushing it. 1067 01:03:07,413 --> 01:03:09,632 He kept pushing it sideways, sideways. Well, then 1068 01:03:09,676 --> 01:03:11,983 it caught the rims on the wheels and actually 1069 01:03:12,026 --> 01:03:14,420 stopped it and started flipping over. 1070 01:03:14,463 --> 01:03:16,248 He rolled over the top of it. 1071 01:03:18,337 --> 01:03:21,253 As he was heading towards the highway, 1072 01:03:21,296 --> 01:03:23,821 somebody notified me on the radio that the person 1073 01:03:23,864 --> 01:03:26,519 operating the bulldozer was Marvin Heemeyer. 1074 01:03:26,562 --> 01:03:29,870 He was not gonna stop at just the concrete plant. 1075 01:03:38,574 --> 01:03:42,665 I don't think that just knowing what I am doing is enough. 1076 01:03:42,709 --> 01:03:44,885 I think God will bless me. 1077 01:03:44,929 --> 01:03:47,627 You get the machine done, you drive it 1078 01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:51,587 to do the stuff that I have to do up to a point. 1079 01:03:51,631 --> 01:03:54,721 Then you're either gonna blow me right off the fucking streets, 1080 01:03:55,940 --> 01:03:59,465 I'm gonna have a heart attack and die, the machine's gonna break, 1081 01:03:59,508 --> 01:04:02,816 or maybe, maybe it'll go all day and I'll run out of fuel. 1082 01:04:02,860 --> 01:04:05,471 I've got a lot of fuel in that thing, let me tell you, 1083 01:04:06,298 --> 01:04:08,822 to do what I believe needs to be done, 1084 01:04:08,866 --> 01:04:11,172 what God has inspired me to do. 1085 01:04:12,434 --> 01:04:14,523 I am the co-captain in my life. 1086 01:04:14,567 --> 01:04:16,830 God is first, I am second. 1087 01:04:16,874 --> 01:04:19,006 You have tried to control my life. 1088 01:04:19,050 --> 01:04:21,922 You have tried to be the captain of my life. 1089 01:04:21,966 --> 01:04:24,446 You do not run my life. 1090 01:04:24,490 --> 01:04:27,188 You do not determine what I desire, 1091 01:04:27,232 --> 01:04:29,756 what I want, what I deserve. 1092 01:04:29,799 --> 01:04:32,890 I determine that and my God determines that. 1093 01:04:32,933 --> 01:04:36,502 Not you people. No people do that. 1094 01:04:36,545 --> 01:04:39,940 If they do, then you're a slave to them. 1095 01:04:39,984 --> 01:04:42,247 I am not a slave to man. 1096 01:04:43,248 --> 01:04:45,293 I am a slave to God. 1097 01:05:06,445 --> 01:05:10,014 As he was heading towards the highway I began sending 1098 01:05:10,057 --> 01:05:13,365 notifications having my deputies and supervisors 1099 01:05:13,408 --> 01:05:15,758 go out and begin evacuating the town. 1100 01:05:15,802 --> 01:05:19,937 That's when Glenn decided he was gonna try to get up on top it. 1101 01:05:21,939 --> 01:05:25,899 I got the idea to climb up and see if I could actually gain entry. 1102 01:05:25,943 --> 01:05:29,642 So he's clinging up and we start running along with him, 1103 01:05:29,685 --> 01:05:31,513 trying to cover him. 1104 01:05:31,557 --> 01:05:33,385 I was expecting to see, you know, 1105 01:05:33,428 --> 01:05:35,343 something with a handle that I could pull up 1106 01:05:35,387 --> 01:05:38,607 and open. And there was absolutely nothing. 1107 01:05:38,651 --> 01:05:42,611 You know, it was solid sheet metal from the front to the back. 1108 01:05:42,655 --> 01:05:45,049 The only thing I did see up there 1109 01:05:45,092 --> 01:05:47,442 was there was some kind of a vent 1110 01:05:47,486 --> 01:05:50,880 where it looked like there was like an RV air conditioner. 1111 01:05:50,924 --> 01:05:54,536 He takes his pistol out and starts trying to shoot into 1112 01:05:54,580 --> 01:05:57,539 some gaps where the air conditioner was. Of course, it does no good. 1113 01:05:57,583 --> 01:06:02,109 Then, he's up there and he's just riding along on this thing. 1114 01:06:02,153 --> 01:06:04,982 So then we started coming up with maybe getting some flashbangs. 1115 01:06:05,025 --> 01:06:08,550 I brought some flashbangs if anybody needs 'em, this is 35. 1116 01:06:08,594 --> 01:06:11,423 I'm throwing up these flashbangs and Glenn's pulling 1117 01:06:11,466 --> 01:06:13,338 the pin on 'em and dumping 'em down the exhaust. 1118 01:06:13,381 --> 01:06:14,817 - Of course, they're going off. 1119 01:06:14,861 --> 01:06:17,211 Whoo, big cloud of smoke 1120 01:06:17,255 --> 01:06:19,170 and everything come out. No effect. 1121 01:06:21,999 --> 01:06:25,219 It moves out of the immediate little industrial area, 1122 01:06:25,263 --> 01:06:28,483 and the next building that it hits is Mountain Parks Electric. 1123 01:06:28,527 --> 01:06:30,442 At the time of my tenure on the board, 1124 01:06:30,485 --> 01:06:32,357 I worked at Mountain Parks Electric, 1125 01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:34,837 so I don't know if there was some interplay there. 1126 01:06:34,881 --> 01:06:37,623 He spent several minutes just going in, 1127 01:06:37,666 --> 01:06:41,148 doing the damage, backing out, going in, backing out, 1128 01:06:41,192 --> 01:06:43,977 the entire time of which I am sitting up there, watching 1129 01:06:44,021 --> 01:06:47,198 this going on, knowing all along that he was on his way 1130 01:06:47,241 --> 01:06:50,070 to the Granby Town Hall. That was the next place he went. 1131 01:06:50,114 --> 01:06:52,507 Let's get a hold of Granby Town Hall. 1132 01:06:52,551 --> 01:06:55,293 Start moving away everything over that way... 1133 01:06:55,336 --> 01:06:57,556 And that the town hall was upstairs, 1134 01:06:57,599 --> 01:07:00,776 but our public library was downstairs in the same building. 1135 01:07:00,820 --> 01:07:04,084 And there were kids and other people inside the library. 1136 01:07:04,128 --> 01:07:05,781 Midday, I had my lunch break. 1137 01:07:05,825 --> 01:07:08,958 I did start hearing um, what I thought-- 1138 01:07:09,002 --> 01:07:10,612 I mean, it sounded like gunfire. 1139 01:07:10,656 --> 01:07:13,006 And then I started seeing police cars, 1140 01:07:13,050 --> 01:07:15,574 like flying by at high rates of speed. 1141 01:07:15,617 --> 01:07:18,098 I started hearing sirens. I was hearing more gunfire. 1142 01:07:18,142 --> 01:07:20,796 And at that point, I decided to go back to the library. 1143 01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:24,452 We issued a directive to have a reverse 911 call 1144 01:07:24,496 --> 01:07:27,499 sent out to the community to shelter in place. 1145 01:07:27,542 --> 01:07:30,980 Because after the first one, we were just thinking barricade everyone inside, 1146 01:07:31,024 --> 01:07:33,244 not knowing that we were the target, 1147 01:07:33,287 --> 01:07:35,159 that there was a bulldozer heading right there. 1148 01:07:35,202 --> 01:07:38,205 And then shortly after that we got another call, 1149 01:07:38,249 --> 01:07:42,209 a 911 reverse call. They were telling everyone, "Evacuate your building now." 1150 01:07:42,253 --> 01:07:47,649 It took me until that moment to realize that my 11-year-old daughter 1151 01:07:47,693 --> 01:07:50,565 was in the basement of that building in the library. 1152 01:07:50,609 --> 01:07:54,047 Okay, he's going east all the way to Napa. 1153 01:07:54,091 --> 01:07:57,268 The bulldozer came out onto the highway and pulled off, 1154 01:07:57,311 --> 01:08:00,619 and drove right into the lawn area of the town hall. 1155 01:08:00,662 --> 01:08:04,623 Well, I elected to get off at that point and did jump down. 1156 01:08:04,666 --> 01:08:08,366 Marv works his way up around. He goes around the back of the town hall, 1157 01:08:08,409 --> 01:08:10,716 destroying the children's playground in the process, 1158 01:08:10,759 --> 01:08:13,327 turning all the little jungle gyms and swing sets 1159 01:08:13,371 --> 01:08:16,983 into just curled and twisted spaghetti in the backyard there. 1160 01:08:17,026 --> 01:08:20,552 But we did gather up the kids and then we drove them all to their houses. 1161 01:08:20,595 --> 01:08:23,990 We got there, turned the radio on, and as soon we turned it on, 1162 01:08:24,033 --> 01:08:28,734 within seconds we heard the radio announcer say that he had just bulldozed town hall. 1163 01:08:29,517 --> 01:08:32,912 The dozer methodically tore apart town hall. 1164 01:08:32,955 --> 01:08:39,614 Everybody now, needs to move... Go for three to three. 1165 01:08:39,658 --> 01:08:44,141 From the town hall it went back out to Main Street. 1166 01:08:44,184 --> 01:08:46,708 We had this rolling roadblock out in front of him, 1167 01:08:46,752 --> 01:08:49,798 the patrol units and then behind him as well. 1168 01:08:49,842 --> 01:08:52,497 Somewhere during that time, Norm Rimmer shows up 1169 01:08:52,540 --> 01:08:55,674 and he sees this camera sticking out the back. 1170 01:08:55,717 --> 01:08:58,329 Then we start looking around and we see another one. 1171 01:08:58,372 --> 01:09:02,463 That's when we figured out that's how he was steering it, was using the cameras. 1172 01:09:02,507 --> 01:09:06,511 Marv placed around the outside of the dozer, five cameras. 1173 01:09:06,554 --> 01:09:09,688 He had them mounted to three monitors inside the tank, 1174 01:09:09,731 --> 01:09:12,821 so he had views of the back, front, and the sides. 1175 01:09:12,865 --> 01:09:16,216 He actually thought ahead enough that there would be debris 1176 01:09:16,260 --> 01:09:19,393 and dust, so he rigged up all these little hoses 1177 01:09:19,437 --> 01:09:22,004 to a compressed air tank that's in the cab, 1178 01:09:22,048 --> 01:09:23,963 and he was able to open the compressed air 1179 01:09:24,006 --> 01:09:26,835 to blow dust and debris in front of his Lexan, 1180 01:09:26,879 --> 01:09:28,489 so he could still see where he was going. 1181 01:09:28,533 --> 01:09:30,839 As it's going down the highway, 1182 01:09:30,883 --> 01:09:32,580 more and more law enforcement officers 1183 01:09:32,624 --> 01:09:34,582 were showing up, people coming from home. 1184 01:09:34,626 --> 01:09:37,759 I started hearing gunfire and sirens from my home, 1185 01:09:37,803 --> 01:09:40,719 so I got my police radio started and I listening to the traffic 1186 01:09:40,762 --> 01:09:44,331 and I heard officers describing being shot at 1187 01:09:44,375 --> 01:09:47,465 and something about a bulldozer knocking buildings down. 1188 01:09:47,508 --> 01:09:51,033 I thought the best thing to do at the time was to grab my camcorder, 1189 01:09:51,077 --> 01:09:55,212 so I followed him around until he got to, uh, Sky-Hi News. 1190 01:09:55,255 --> 01:09:58,780 This guy may possibly be going after Patrick Brower. 1191 01:09:58,824 --> 01:10:03,220 It was a regular news day. We were working when one of the sheriff's deputies 1192 01:10:03,263 --> 01:10:06,179 tells me, "Get out of here! You're on the list." I said, "What?" 1193 01:10:06,223 --> 01:10:10,662 He then leaves the building. There's this large kinda gray, dark monolith 1194 01:10:10,705 --> 01:10:13,882 driving down the road with two police cars on either side. 1195 01:10:13,926 --> 01:10:17,451 Right when he gets by the front of the building he just takes a sharp right turn. 1196 01:10:17,495 --> 01:10:20,672 The ground starts to shake. You could hear the creaking of the treads. 1197 01:10:20,715 --> 01:10:22,674 And we were inside the building here. 1198 01:10:22,717 --> 01:10:25,154 And blam! Knocks down the front wall of the building. 1199 01:10:36,035 --> 01:10:40,387 Patrick and one of his reporters are leaving out the back of the building 1200 01:10:40,431 --> 01:10:42,781 as Marv is driving through the front of the building. 1201 01:10:42,824 --> 01:10:45,653 The ground is literally shaking under your feet. 1202 01:10:45,697 --> 01:10:48,613 It's 85 tons of it just rolling, impervious. 1203 01:10:48,656 --> 01:10:51,442 Well, we immediately start running out the back. 1204 01:10:51,485 --> 01:10:53,966 Marv continues to take the dozer back 1205 01:10:54,009 --> 01:10:56,534 and smashes into the front of the building. He works his way around. 1206 01:10:57,186 --> 01:11:00,233 He just kept backing up, knocking cars out of his way 1207 01:11:00,277 --> 01:11:03,584 taking a hit at the building and backing up again, taking another hit at it. 1208 01:11:03,628 --> 01:11:06,544 Literally, the ceiling's caving in all around us. 1209 01:11:06,587 --> 01:11:08,633 I ran out the backdoor with my camera around my neck, 1210 01:11:08,676 --> 01:11:10,461 and run up the side of the building. 1211 01:11:10,504 --> 01:11:12,985 There's a sheriff's deputy with a shotgun. 1212 01:11:13,028 --> 01:11:15,161 I snap off a panicked photo, 1213 01:11:15,204 --> 01:11:18,251 then I started hearing gunfire. I hear a few whizzes 1214 01:11:18,295 --> 01:11:20,819 over my head and I think, "This is stupid. I'm getting out of here." 1215 01:11:20,862 --> 01:11:23,256 I'm coming. Get people out of there! 1216 01:11:23,300 --> 01:11:26,999 And then finally the entire building just collapsing around itself. 1217 01:11:40,142 --> 01:11:43,494 There was a lot of metal on metal screeching going on, 1218 01:11:43,537 --> 01:11:46,279 especially when he's pushing cars out of the way. 1219 01:11:46,323 --> 01:11:49,500 There was a lot of screeching noises from the treads 1220 01:11:51,415 --> 01:11:53,939 and it was just kind of overwhelming, you know, 1221 01:11:53,982 --> 01:11:57,682 looking at and realizing, you know, I don't have a way of stopping this. 1222 01:11:57,725 --> 01:12:00,337 - None of us had a way of stopping it. 1223 01:12:00,380 --> 01:12:04,341 The dozer goes down to the east end of town. 1224 01:12:04,384 --> 01:12:07,953 They knew that we were on the hit list, so they hurried up up here 1225 01:12:07,996 --> 01:12:11,260 and we came across the flats up here behind the town shop. 1226 01:12:11,304 --> 01:12:13,654 And the county cop stopped us. 1227 01:12:14,394 --> 01:12:16,657 He says, "You're not going any farther. We go, "Yeah, we are. 1228 01:12:16,701 --> 01:12:18,485 You can get your ass down here and arrest me at home 1229 01:12:18,529 --> 01:12:20,531 if you want to, but we're going down the hill." 1230 01:12:21,270 --> 01:12:23,969 That's the Thompson residence. The bulldozer's headed there. 1231 01:12:24,012 --> 01:12:27,059 We need to have everybody evacuated out of the Thompsons' residence. 1232 01:12:28,147 --> 01:12:31,542 There's a little house owned by Thompsons 1233 01:12:31,585 --> 01:12:32,891 and their mother lives there. 1234 01:12:32,934 --> 01:12:34,371 I called her and she thought 1235 01:12:34,414 --> 01:12:35,676 I was joking with her. I said, 1236 01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:37,548 "You needed to get in the car, 1237 01:12:37,591 --> 01:12:39,376 just drive out of town. Just get out of it." 1238 01:12:40,028 --> 01:12:42,770 Marvin Heemeyer is around Thompsons' shop. 1239 01:12:42,814 --> 01:12:44,772 The chief of Kremmling PD showed up. 1240 01:12:44,816 --> 01:12:46,731 He rolls his window down and said, 1241 01:12:46,774 --> 01:12:48,950 "Hey, Rich, I got a surprise for you." 1242 01:12:48,994 --> 01:12:53,390 In the backseat is this big, huge 50-cal silhouette gun. 1243 01:12:53,433 --> 01:12:56,567 And I picked up the gun and I let loose with it. 1244 01:13:07,142 --> 01:13:08,492 No effect. 1245 01:13:10,711 --> 01:13:13,235 It came down the backstreet here, knocked some trees down. 1246 01:13:13,845 --> 01:13:17,109 The dozer ran right through the house. 1247 01:13:17,152 --> 01:13:18,806 It completely leveled the house. 1248 01:13:19,546 --> 01:13:21,243 She did get out safely. 1249 01:13:21,287 --> 01:13:23,071 My only concern was her. 1250 01:13:23,115 --> 01:13:24,899 Thelma Thompson was asleep 1251 01:13:24,943 --> 01:13:27,336 in the house only 30 minutes before Marv 1252 01:13:27,380 --> 01:13:29,251 completely destroyed their home. 1253 01:13:29,948 --> 01:13:32,820 It started to destroy a construction yard 1254 01:13:32,864 --> 01:13:34,953 that's owned by Thompson & Sons, 1255 01:13:34,996 --> 01:13:37,608 systematically destroying that area. 1256 01:13:41,699 --> 01:13:44,005 And then he turned and came over to the shop here 1257 01:13:44,049 --> 01:13:46,834 we had a lowboy trailer sitting out here, and he shoved it 1258 01:13:46,878 --> 01:13:49,097 through the wall. Then he went down the street down here 1259 01:13:49,141 --> 01:13:51,056 and tipped over another semitrailer we had. 1260 01:13:51,099 --> 01:13:52,971 He flat laid it over on its side, 1261 01:13:53,014 --> 01:13:55,626 full of truck parts. Then he went around 1262 01:13:55,669 --> 01:13:58,803 in front of her house and shoved the Xcel Energy pickup 1263 01:13:58,846 --> 01:14:00,892 through our rental building. 1264 01:14:04,809 --> 01:14:08,290 Meanwhile, this whole ridge is up here was just covered with people, 1265 01:14:08,334 --> 01:14:13,861 following him through town, watching what he was doing like a circus. 1266 01:14:13,905 --> 01:14:16,734 Then after that it looked like a war zone out here. 1267 01:14:16,777 --> 01:14:20,041 All the helicopters flying around and all the news trucks showing up. 1268 01:14:20,085 --> 01:14:23,131 And that's when he headed off down the hill, went down to Independent Gas. 1269 01:14:23,741 --> 01:14:26,744 Hey, would you make a general broadcast all units 1270 01:14:26,787 --> 01:14:31,009 should evacuate at least a thousand feet 1271 01:14:31,052 --> 01:14:34,012 back from the propane tanks at Independent Gas. 1272 01:14:35,404 --> 01:14:37,232 I was on top of the hill looking down on that. 1273 01:14:37,276 --> 01:14:39,278 All I saw was rows and rows 1274 01:14:39,321 --> 01:14:41,323 of propane tanks of various sizes. 1275 01:14:41,367 --> 01:14:43,630 You know we're not talking camping propane, 1276 01:14:43,674 --> 01:14:47,504 we're talking about, you know, industrial-size propane tanks. 1277 01:14:47,547 --> 01:14:51,116 If you're standing in the farm, looking up the hill, 1278 01:14:51,159 --> 01:14:54,119 you can see a senior citizens' home, 1279 01:14:54,162 --> 01:14:56,643 a trailer park, private residences. 1280 01:14:56,687 --> 01:15:00,865 There were a lot of homes, a lot of people in a blast area. 1281 01:15:00,908 --> 01:15:05,086 Well, Marv was by the propane, shooting at the tanks. 1282 01:15:05,130 --> 01:15:07,872 Move back! He's shooting at the tanks! Move back! 1283 01:15:07,915 --> 01:15:10,222 He was using incendiary rounds, 1284 01:15:10,265 --> 01:15:12,659 so they made kind of a flash and a puff of smoke. 1285 01:15:12,703 --> 01:15:14,661 He's shooting at the propane. 1286 01:15:17,621 --> 01:15:19,623 One of those bullets could easily hit 1287 01:15:19,666 --> 01:15:22,321 a propane tank and ignite it immediately. 1288 01:15:22,364 --> 01:15:24,584 There would have been a lot of damage using these things 1289 01:15:24,628 --> 01:15:27,326 flying through the air, landing on homes. 1290 01:15:27,369 --> 01:15:31,025 ...he's got a 50-cal, he's trying to take out the tanks 1291 01:15:31,069 --> 01:15:34,072 and transformers-- at Independent Propane at this time. 1292 01:15:34,115 --> 01:15:38,555 He had a ripper on the backend of the bulldozer. 1293 01:15:38,598 --> 01:15:42,559 And when he would try to maneuver it to get the barrel of the gun 1294 01:15:42,602 --> 01:15:46,214 pointing towards the propane tanks, 1295 01:15:46,258 --> 01:15:50,610 the ripper was digging into the ground and not going down far enough 1296 01:15:50,654 --> 01:15:54,005 to allow his armor to get out of the way. 1297 01:15:54,048 --> 01:15:57,530 And the 50-caliber was hitting his own armor. 1298 01:15:57,574 --> 01:16:01,012 You can see the shells hitting the armor and bursting 1299 01:16:01,055 --> 01:16:04,668 into a puff of smoke and flame when they hit his own armor. 1300 01:16:05,451 --> 01:16:09,281 While one of his bullets did penetrate the power transformer, 1301 01:16:09,324 --> 01:16:12,110 none of 'em penetrated the actual propane tanks. 1302 01:16:12,153 --> 01:16:15,374 Granby PD also be advised, Federal Heights is going to be in route 1303 01:16:15,417 --> 01:16:17,506 with their Peacekeeper on its flatbed. 1304 01:16:17,550 --> 01:16:19,683 It'll take about two hours, Summit County is also 1305 01:16:19,726 --> 01:16:22,860 -en route with a SWAT team. - Ask them to help us get 1306 01:16:22,903 --> 01:16:25,297 the National Guard units in here, 1307 01:16:25,340 --> 01:16:28,256 maybe with a helicopter to stop this unit. 1308 01:16:28,300 --> 01:16:31,346 You need a National Guard unit and a helicopter? 1309 01:16:32,826 --> 01:16:37,222 Yeah, the uh, the Air National Guard or Army National Guard, 1310 01:16:37,265 --> 01:16:40,791 uh, either out of Laramie or out of Eagles. 1311 01:16:40,834 --> 01:16:43,489 And then that's when the county scraper tried to stop him. 1312 01:16:43,532 --> 01:16:46,100 Yeah, I'm gonna try to bring the scrapers down Highway 40. 1313 01:16:46,144 --> 01:16:48,015 We wanna know where they need to go. 1314 01:16:48,059 --> 01:16:50,104 We had asked for a bulldozer from 1315 01:16:50,148 --> 01:16:52,672 our road and bridge department. The director 1316 01:16:52,716 --> 01:16:55,501 of Grand County Road and Bridge was Clark Branstetter. 1317 01:16:55,544 --> 01:16:57,546 Branstetter on Road and Bridge, I've got 1318 01:16:57,590 --> 01:16:59,636 a scraper inside of where the A&W used to be 1319 01:16:59,679 --> 01:17:02,334 on 40, where do you want me to put this? 1320 01:17:02,377 --> 01:17:04,902 What he did do is bring in two big earthmovers 1321 01:17:04,945 --> 01:17:06,991 or scrapers from the landfill. 1322 01:17:07,034 --> 01:17:09,950 Let's get him up here just as fast as we can. 1323 01:17:09,994 --> 01:17:13,650 Clark Branstetter actually tried to stop the bulldozer 1324 01:17:13,693 --> 01:17:16,348 at the top of the hill, going back up onto the highway. 1325 01:17:16,391 --> 01:17:19,481 ...contact the station, we have a giant tractor 1326 01:17:19,525 --> 01:17:22,484 that is completely armored with iron running over 1327 01:17:22,528 --> 01:17:26,358 all vital components, including the compartment with only complex. 1328 01:17:26,401 --> 01:17:31,145 He can fire out of firing way. The driver is completely enclosed with no entrance. 1329 01:17:31,189 --> 01:17:35,062 - Get him back! Stop him! I can't, he's got a dozer. 1330 01:17:41,416 --> 01:17:45,290 The bulldozer just basically moved the scraper just right out of the way. 1331 01:17:45,333 --> 01:17:48,293 ...He's going out towards the highway! 1332 01:17:48,336 --> 01:17:51,383 He went back up the hill, back on to Main Street again. 1333 01:17:51,426 --> 01:17:55,692 We're at 4th and Main, and 4th and Agate now. 1334 01:17:57,258 --> 01:18:01,523 Somewhere right in that timeframe it appears that he loses all his antifreeze. 1335 01:18:01,567 --> 01:18:04,875 There's a big white puff of what would be the antifreeze 1336 01:18:04,918 --> 01:18:07,704 hitting hot metal components from the engine 1337 01:18:07,747 --> 01:18:10,315 and there's a lot of white smoke. 1338 01:18:10,358 --> 01:18:13,274 Copy, vehicle smoking heavily at 4th and Agate. 1339 01:18:14,362 --> 01:18:17,931 He damaged copycat printers a bit while he's positioning 1340 01:18:17,975 --> 01:18:21,718 to get his bulldozer facing towards the Gambles store. 1341 01:18:22,370 --> 01:18:26,418 He said, "Oh, he's headed for Gambles". Oh, I don't remember how the verbiage was. 1342 01:18:26,461 --> 01:18:29,508 And I just, my stomach went like, just like a ball. 1343 01:18:29,551 --> 01:18:34,600 Just clinched because I knew my life was gonna be completely different. 1344 01:18:34,643 --> 01:18:37,734 The engine of the bulldozer began overheating. 1345 01:18:44,566 --> 01:18:47,918 I was across the street, watching as it came up the street, 1346 01:18:47,961 --> 01:18:53,793 and then watched as it turned in to go down the side of the Gambles store. 1347 01:18:53,837 --> 01:18:56,448 You can also tell that he's starting to lose power at this time. 1348 01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:05,762 And then it starts methodically just tearing apart that Gambles store. 1349 01:19:16,250 --> 01:19:20,559 Here 33, Ft. Collins is en route with a SWAT team and an armored vehicle. 1350 01:19:21,821 --> 01:19:25,694 All units, Grand, too, we need you to move back towards the east. 1351 01:19:25,738 --> 01:19:27,958 Once again start blocking traffic. 1352 01:19:28,872 --> 01:19:31,091 He begins going down the side of it, basically, 1353 01:19:31,135 --> 01:19:33,311 trying to rip the entire side of the building off. 1354 01:19:35,226 --> 01:19:37,794 The county had gotten a belly scraper out. 1355 01:19:38,969 --> 01:19:41,841 They pulled that in behind to block his way. 1356 01:19:45,323 --> 01:19:49,109 Having worked in the Gambles store I knew what a lot of people didn't know, 1357 01:19:49,153 --> 01:19:51,068 and that's that there was a basement in there. 1358 01:19:54,854 --> 01:19:58,292 So he took a run at Gambles, not realizing 1359 01:19:58,336 --> 01:20:01,687 that the right hand side track would go into the basement 1360 01:20:01,730 --> 01:20:04,429 and that left him stuck, unable to move. 1361 01:20:11,001 --> 01:20:13,568 This is the first time he's actually stopped, 1362 01:20:13,612 --> 01:20:15,962 and the machine shut down. 1363 01:20:19,705 --> 01:20:22,142 But we don't know what he's doing, 1364 01:20:22,186 --> 01:20:23,448 so we pulled everybody back. 1365 01:20:24,318 --> 01:20:25,798 Can you confirm your location? 1366 01:20:26,364 --> 01:20:28,018 Right now the dozer is at Gambles 1367 01:20:28,061 --> 01:20:29,541 or what used to be Gambles. 1368 01:20:31,848 --> 01:20:37,027 One of the radio transmissions at the time is, "Get ready for a gunfight." It was... 1369 01:20:37,679 --> 01:20:41,727 where else are we going with this? It just figures we've gone this far, 1370 01:20:41,770 --> 01:20:44,773 now it's, you know, does somebody pop out of it? 1371 01:20:44,817 --> 01:20:47,080 Does it just fire from its position? 1372 01:21:00,615 --> 01:21:03,357 We need a Grand 24... - We started to pair up 1373 01:21:03,401 --> 01:21:05,577 people and get some tactical advantage. 1374 01:21:10,321 --> 01:21:12,889 You need to go down to Mountain Parks Concrete 1375 01:21:12,932 --> 01:21:15,152 and help secure that bridge down there. 1376 01:21:32,343 --> 01:21:34,171 And it was a short time after that 1377 01:21:37,435 --> 01:21:38,871 a gunshot was heard. 1378 01:21:47,184 --> 01:21:49,621 A couple of sheriff's deputies actually got on top of it 1379 01:21:50,187 --> 01:21:54,278 and were trying to figure out if there was something they could do, some way they could get in. 1380 01:21:54,321 --> 01:21:56,933 You know they had the same luck that I had, which is none. 1381 01:21:58,021 --> 01:22:00,980 Some SWAT teams came up from other jurisdictions 1382 01:22:01,024 --> 01:22:04,897 and attempted to breach the bulldozer with an explosive charge. 1383 01:22:05,854 --> 01:22:10,468 And they started blasting on the dozer. 1384 01:22:10,511 --> 01:22:14,167 All that did was put a, a stain on the side of it. 1385 01:22:14,211 --> 01:22:16,126 When they triggered that explosive device 1386 01:22:16,169 --> 01:22:17,954 it rattled the windows in my house. 1387 01:22:17,997 --> 01:22:20,608 It was a tremendous, tremendous explosion. 1388 01:22:21,696 --> 01:22:23,785 It didn't even dent the thing. 1389 01:22:23,829 --> 01:22:27,093 When the second blast happened, they still didn't get in. 1390 01:22:28,007 --> 01:22:30,401 They said, "If he's not already dead he is now." 1391 01:22:31,532 --> 01:22:34,318 And they basically just brought a cutting torch up 1392 01:22:34,361 --> 01:22:39,627 and cut off the access point to this air conditioning unit. 1393 01:22:41,064 --> 01:22:46,199 Entry was finally gained some time in the midmorning of the 5th. 1394 01:23:02,302 --> 01:23:05,871 Afterwards, we learned that he put the 357 1395 01:23:05,914 --> 01:23:09,309 into the roof of his mouth and then pulled the trigger. 1396 01:23:09,353 --> 01:23:12,225 All the cars' working perimeters, everybody is still okay. 1397 01:23:13,096 --> 01:23:15,446 No response means everybody's okay. 1398 01:23:28,589 --> 01:23:30,374 We all rode the sleds up 1399 01:23:31,505 --> 01:23:34,508 and let his ashes fly away. 1400 01:24:01,187 --> 01:24:04,364 Everybody couldn't wait to get that dozer cut up, scrap it. 1401 01:24:04,408 --> 01:24:07,715 I think they made a big mistake by not making a museum out of the thing. 1402 01:24:07,759 --> 01:24:10,849 That'd made this town a ton of money, a ton of money. 1403 01:24:12,329 --> 01:24:14,331 They went to Blair's Machine Shop. 1404 01:24:15,723 --> 01:24:19,292 He torched the thing into small pieces 1405 01:24:19,336 --> 01:24:24,080 and disposed of the scrap steel so that no one person could get a hold of it 1406 01:24:25,342 --> 01:24:28,084 and say, "Here's my shrine to Marv." 1407 01:24:33,393 --> 01:24:35,613 This tape's probably got a lot of emotion in it, 1408 01:24:35,656 --> 01:24:39,486 and, uh, anybody listening to it, you know, you need to... 1409 01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:42,663 uh... realize that. 1410 01:24:43,925 --> 01:24:47,886 And just take it from there, you know. 1411 01:24:47,929 --> 01:24:51,716 Anyway, hey, I hope you all have a great time and good life. 1412 01:24:51,759 --> 01:24:56,634 I've had a great life. And I'm gonna put this tape 1413 01:24:56,677 --> 01:24:58,592 and tape recorder in a plastic bag 1414 01:24:58,636 --> 01:25:01,334 for somebody else to try to figure it out. 1415 01:25:02,422 --> 01:25:03,684 Well, see you later. 122159

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