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>> Announcer: TONIGHT ON "LATE NIGHT WITH SETH MEYERS" ‐‐

HANK AZARIA. HOST OF "JUSTICE IN AMERICA,"

JOURNALIST AND LAWYER, JOSIE DUFFY RICE

AN ALL NEW "CLOSER LOOK.

FEATURING THE 8G BAND WITH FRED ARMISEN AND NOW, SETH MEYERS

TONIGHT? THANK YOU FOR CONTINUING TO STAY

HOME IT'S CRAZY SEEING ALL THOSE

PHOTOS OF PEOPLE OUT PARTYING AT BARS

DO YOU NOT REALIZE HOW MUCH FUN IT IS TO LOCK YOURSELF IN YOUR

ATTIC AND DRINK ALONE? AND IF YOU'RE AT A BAR RIGHT NOW

AND I'M PLAYING ON A CORNER TV WITHOUT VOLUME, JUST LET ME

SAY ‐‐ LET'S GET TO THE NEWS.

RUSSIAN PRESIDENT VLADIMIR PUTIN REPORTEDLY HAD A DISINFECTANT

TUNNEL INSTALLED IN HIS HOME TO PROTECT HIM FROM CORONAVIRUS

AND NOW WE GO LIVE TO PRESIDENT TRUMP SO HE CAN MAKE FUN OF PUTIN FOR BEING A SNOWFLAKE.

>> Seth: HUH, HE'S PROBABLY JUST THINKING OF A CLEVER BURN, YOU

KNOW WE'LL COME BACK TO HIM

DURING HIS SPEECH YESTERDAY ABOUT POLICE REFORM, PRESIDENT

TRUMP FALSELY SUGGESTED THAT SCIENTISTS HAVE DEVELOPED A

VACCINE FOR AIDS MAN, YOU KNOW HE'S GOING TO LIE,

BUT YOU NEVER KNOW WHERE HE'S GOING WITH IT OR WHEN IT'S GOING

TO HAPPEN. HE'LL BE GIVING A SPEECH ON TAX

CUTS AND THROW IN "BY THE WAY, CELL PHONES CAN GET YOU

PREGNANT ANYWAY, BACK TO THE THING.

THAT'S RIGHT PRESIDENT TRUMP FALSELY

SUGGESTED THAT SCIENTISTS HAVE DEVELOPED A VACCINE FOR AIDS

THOUGH, KEEP IN MIND, THIS IS THE SAME GUY WHO ASKED

BILL GATES THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HIV AND HPV TWICE.

SO HE'S DEFINITELY CONFUSING IT WITH SOMETHING ELSE.

ACHES, MAYBE "IT'S NOT REALLY A VACCINE, BUT

I TAKE ADVIL WHEN I HAVE MINOR AIDS AND PAINS."

OKAY SO, PRESIDENT TRUMP, DID YOU ‐‐

DID YOU THINK OF A CLEVER WAY TO

MAKE FUN OF PUTIN FOR HIS DISINFECTANT TUNNEL YET? LET'S HEAR THE ZINGER.

>> Seth: ALL RIGHT WELL, YOU CAN DEFINITELY TELL

HE'S COOKING UP A GOOD ONE I CAN FEEL IT.

ALL RIGHT, YOU KNOW WHAT WE'LL CHECK BACK

VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE WROTE A "WALL STREET JOURNAL" OP‐ED

YESTERDAY TITLED "THERE ISN'T A CORONAVIRUS 'SECOND WAVE.'

WELL, THAT'S KIND OF LIKE SAYING THERE ISN'T A SEQUEL TO "BLACK

PANTHER. THERE'S DEFINITELY GOING TO BE

BUT IT'S GOING TO BE EVEN BIGGER

AND YOU'RE GOING TO HATE IT. SENATE MAJORITY LEADER

MITCH McCONNELL SAID YESTERDAY HE WAS PERSONALLY OKAY WITH

RENAMING MILITARY BASES THAT ARE NAMED AFTER CONFEDERATE LEADERS

ADDING, QUOTE, "AND I AM A DESCENDANT OF A CONFEDERATE

VETERAN. DESCENDANT OR, LIKE, SON OF?

INFECTIOUS DISEASE EXPERT DR. ANTHONY FAUCI SAID IN A NEW

INTERVIEW THAT HE HAD NOT SPOKEN TO PRESIDENT TRUMP IN TWO WEEKS.

AND JUST LOOK AT THE RESULTS "I THINK ‐‐ OBVIOUSLY, I DON'T

THINK IT WILL WORK WITH EVERYBODY, BUT YOU CAN AVOID

HIM. IT'S GOOD FOR YOUR SKIN.

QUAKER OATS ANNOUNCED YESTERDAY IT WILL GIVE AUNT JEMIMA SYRUP A

NEW NAME AND IMAGE BECAUSE IT WAS ORIGINALLY BASED ON A RACIAL

STEREOTYPE UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S NOW CALLED

AUNT KAYLEE, WITH TWO Es IS THAT BETTER

I THINK ‐‐ I DON'T KNOW, IT'S HARD TO TELL

GARTH BROOKS HAS ANNOUNCED HE WILL HOLD A CONCERT AT THE END

OF THE MONTH THAT WILL BE PLAYED AT DRIVE‐IN MOVIE THEATERS

ACROSS THE COUNTRY BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T HEARD

GARTH'S MUSIC UNTIL YOU'VE HEARD IT THROUGH A 50‐YEAR‐OLD SPEAKER

FULL OF SPIDER EGGS HANGING ON ONE SIDE OF YOUR CAR

ALL RIGHT, DONALD. YOU'VE HAD ENOUGH TIME

COME UP WITH A GREAT INSULT FOR PUTIN IN HIS DISINFECTANT

TUNNEL LET'S HEAR IT. GIVE HIM THE BUSINESS.

>> I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO GET

ALONG WITH RUSSIA. >> Seth: HMM, YOU ARE ‐‐ YOU ARE

LOSING YOUR TOUCH, BRO, AND I'M NOT MAD, JUST DISAPPOINTED

AND FINALLY, OFFICIALS IN CALIFORNIA ANNOUNCED YESTERDAY

THAT A STATUE OF CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS WILL BE

REMOVED FROM THE STATE CAPITOL ROTUNDA.

SAID THE STATUE, "CALIFORNIA I THOUGHT THIS WAS INDONESIA."

THAT'S HOW YOU BURN SOMEONE, TRUMPY

THE OLD COLUMBUS BURN. DO YOU LIKE THAT ONE,

PEDRO MARTINEZ YEAH, HE LIKED IT.

THAT WAS THE MONOLOGUE WE GOT A GREAT SHOW FOR YOU

TONIGHT. FROM "BROCKMIRE" AND OF COURSE,

"THE SIMPSONS," THE FANTASTIC HANK AZARIA IS MY GUEST.

PLUS, THE HOST OF THE POPULAR PODCAST "JUSTICE IN AMERICA,"

JOSIE DUFFY RICE WILL BE HERE. BUT FIRST, "A CLOSER LOOK.

THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION HAS DECIDED TO JUST MOVE ON FROM THE

CORONAVIRUS PANDEMIC AND PRETEND IT'S OVER, EVEN THOUGH, IN

REALITY, IT'S STILL HERE, AND

GETTING WORSE. FOR MORE ON THIS, IT'S TIME FOR "A CLOSER LOOK."

♪ >> Seth: THE NATION HAS

OBVIOUSLY BEEN FOCUSED ON THE WEEKS OF SUSTAINED MASS

DEMONSTRATIONS AGAINST SYSTEMIC RACISM AND POLICE BRUTALITY.

BUT, AT THE SAME TIME, THE PANDEMIC IS STILL HERE, IT

HASN'T GONE ANYWHERE THE CORONAVIRUS IS LIKE MY COPY

OF "THE THORN BIRDS. IT HASN'T BEEN ON MY SIDE TABLE

FOR A FEW WEEKS, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT WAS GONE

FOREVER. IT WAS JUST OFF CAMERA

AND NOW IT'S BACK. BUT I CAN PROMISE YOU WHAT'S NOT

BACK IS LABORED BITS WHERE I ADD BOOKS OR CHANGE THE TITLES

AND, LOOK, THERE WAS NEVER A GOOD TIME TO HAVE THE WORLD'S

DUMBEST MAN AS PRESIDENT, BUT THE TIMING COULD NOT BE WORSE

RIGHT NOW AS THE COUNTRY FACES SOME OF ITS WEIGHTIEST AND MOST

DIFFICULT CHALLENGES IN OUR LIFETIMES.

THERE ARE MASS DEMONSTRATIONS AGAINST SYSTEMIC RACISM AND

POLICE BRUTALITY, UNEMPLOYMENT IS AT ITS HIGHEST SINCE THE

GREAT DEPRESSION, NORTH KOREA JUST BLEW SOMETHING UP

TENSIONS ARE ESCALATING BETWEEN INDIA AND CHINA.

THE CORONAVIRUS PANDEMIC IS STILL RAGING

AND THE "NEW YORK TIMES" REPORTS THAT TOILETS CAN SPRAY PLUMES OF

CORONAVIRUS INTO THE AIR AND INFECT THE NEXT PERSON WHO USES

THEM NOW, WE CAN'T EVEN ENJOY TOILET

PLUMES THE ONLY THING I HAD LEFT TO

LOOK FORWARD TO THIS SUMMER WAS LOADING THE KIDS INTO THE VAN

AND TAKING THEM ON A CROSS‐COUNTRY TRIP TO SEE

AMERICA'S MOST PICTURESQUE TOILET PLUMES.

2020 SUCKS AND MAY I SAY, THIS IS THE FIRST

DENT IN THE OTHERWISE STERLING REPUTATION OF PORT‐A‐POTTYS.

ALSO, THAT'S GOTTA BE THE MOST EMBARRASSING WAY TO CATCH

CORONAVIRUS. "WERE YOU NEAR ANY LARGE

CROWDS?" "NO, BUT I MAYBE HUFFED A

PLUME. SO, THINGS ARE BAD

IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS, THE VERY MINIMUM WE SHOULD EXPECT

FROM OUR LEADERS IS AN ABILITY TO PROVIDE US WITH A SHARED

SENSE OF REALITY TO GIVE US ALL THE FACTS.

BUT THE PRESIDENT, HE DOESN'T WANT TO DO THAT.

IN FACT, HE'S REPEATEDLY EXPRESSED AN INTEREST THIS WEEK

IN HIDING THE TRUTH ABOUT THE

CORONAVIRUS PANDEMIC, SUGGESTING THAT IF WE JUST STOPPED TESTING, IT WOULD "GO AWAY.

ATTRIBUTED AN INCREASE IN CASES IN SOME STATES TO ADVANCED

TESTING. IN A TWEET HE SAID, QUOTE,

WITHOUT TESTING OR WEAK TESTING, WE WOULD BE SHOWING ALMOST NO

CASES. TESTING IS A DOUBLE‐EDGED SWORD

MAKING US LOOK BAD, BUT GOOD TO HAVE

>> OUR TESTING IS SO FAR ADVANCED, IT'S SO MUCH BIGGER

AND BETTER THAN ANY OTHER COUNTRY THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE

MORE CASES WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE MORE

CASES. AS I SAID THIS MORNING, THAT'S

PROBABLY THE DOWNSIDE OF HAVING GOOD TESTING IS YOU FIND A LOT

OF CASES THAT OTHER COUNTRIES WHO DON'T EVEN TEST DON'T HAVE

IF YOU DON'T TEST, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY CASES

IF WE STOPPED TESTING RIGHT NOW, WE'D HAVE VERY FEW CASES, IF

ANY. >> Seth: I CAN'T BELIEVE I HAVE

TO EXPLAIN THIS. IF WE STOP TESTING, THAT

WOULDN'T MEAN THE CASES WENT AWAY

THAT WOULD JUST MEAN WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THEM.

WHEN YOU PLAY PEEK‐A‐BOO WITH A BABY, THE BABY CAN'T SEE YOU,

BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU ACTUALLY DISAPPEARED

DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN PEOPLE WERE MAKING THOSE VIRAL VIDEOS WHEN

THEY STAND BEHIND A COVER IN FRONT OF THEIR DOG, THEN DROP

THE BLANKET AND RUN AND AWAY, AND THE DOG THINKS THEY

DISAPPEARED? THAT'S TRUMP

"WHAT THE HELL HE WAS JUST STANDING BEHIND THE

BLANKET. DAMN YOU TO HELL, GHOST

BLANKET! "YOU CALLED FOR ME, SIR?

"NOT YOU, GHOST BLANKET, THE OTHER GHOST BLANKET.

NOW, THIS IS A SENTIMENT TRUMP HAS REPEATED SEVERAL TIMES, IF

ONLY WE COULD STOP TESTING, WE'D LOOK SO MUCH BETTER, WHICH IS

JUST INSANE. IT'S LIKE IF YOU WENT TO YOUR

OPTOMETRIST AND THEY SAID "I COULD GIVE YOU AN EYE EXAM, BUT

THEN YOU'D NEED GLASSES TO DRIVE.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU DON'T NEED GLASSES.

IT JUST MEANS YOU'LL PROBABLY GET IN MORE CAR ACCIDENTS THAN

BILLY JOEL AND THAT'S ANOTHER BILLY JOEL

CAR CRASH JOKE [ CAR CRASHING ]

AND, YES, THAT IS A REFERENCE THAT IS 16 YEARS OLD, WHICH

MEANS IF THAT REFERENCE WERE A PERSON, THEY WOULD HAVE NO IDEA

WHO BILLY JOEL IS. AND IF YOU'RE A PERSON WHO IS

SURPRISED THAT I'M SILL MAKING BILLY JOEL CAR CRASH JOKES

IN 2020, ALL I CAN SAY IS ‐‐ ♪ YOU OUTTA KNOW BY NOW

WE ARE HAVING FU IN OUR ATTIC ♪

NOW TRUMP IS, IN HIS OWN UNIQUE WAY, BREATHTAKINGLY DUMB

BUT THE REST OF HIS ADMINISTRATION IS JUST AS

COMMITTED TO THIS CORONAVIRUS COVER‐UP AS HE IS, EVEN IF THEY

MANAGE TO BE A LITTLE MORE SUBTLE ABOUT IT.

VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE, FOR EXAMPLE, URGED GOVERNORS ON A

CALL THIS WEEK TO LIE ABOUT THE INCREASING NUMBER OF CORONAVIRUS CASES.

>> ACCORDING TO THE "NEW YORK TIMES" AT A CONFERENCE CALL, THE

V.P. URGED GOVERNORS TO, QUOTE, CONTINUE TO EXPLAIN TO YOUR

CITIZENS THE MAGNITUDE OF INCREASE IN TESTING AND THAT IN

MOST OF THE CASES WHERE WE ARE SEEING SOME MARGINAL RISE IN

NUMBER, THAT'S MORE A RESULT OF THE EXTRAORDINARY WORK YOU'RE

DOING. >> Seth: THE IDEA THAT CASES ARE

GOING UP BECAUSE TESTING HAS INCREASED IS A LIE

AND, SURE, MIKE PENCE MIGHT LOOK MORE CONVINCING THAN TRUMP WHEN

HE LIES. HE SHAKES HIS HEAD AND FURROWS

HIS BROW LIKE A COMMUNITY THEATER ACTOR LOOKING EVEN MORE

THE PART OF A STATESMAN, THANKS TO SHARING A TWO‐SHOT WITH A MAN

WHO LOOKS LIKE HE'S TRYING TO GET YOU TO PLAY THE RING TOSS

DOWN ON THE CONEY ISLAND BOARDWALK.

BUT IT'S STILL A LIE THE INCREASE IN TESTING IS NOT

THE REASON FOR THE INCREASE IN POSITIVES.

IN FACT, "IN AT LEAST 14 STATES, POSITIVE CASES HAVE OUTSTRIPPED

THE AVERAGE NUMBER OF TESTS THAT HAVE BEEN ADMINISTERED."

JUST LOOK AT THIS MAP FROM THE WEBSITE COVIDEXITSTRATEGY.ORG

WITH STATES THAT ARE TRENDING POORLY IN RED.

JUST BECAUSE TRUMP HAS GOTTEN BORED WITH SOMETHING DOESN'T

MEAN IT'S GONE AWAY. YOU THINK HE WOULD HAVE AT LEAST

LEARNED THAT LESSON FROM THESE TWO.

"WHAT ARE YOU TWO LOSERS DOING HERE

I THOUGHT YOU DISAPPEARED. "NO, DAD, WE WENT TO SUMMER

CAMP." "I THOUGHT IT WAS PERMANENT

SUMMER CAMP. THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION HAS

EVEN BEEN CONTRADICTED BY THEIR OWN SCIENTISTS

ON TUESDAY DR. ANTHONY FAUCI SAID THE INCREASE IN CASES

"CANNOT BE EXPLAINED BY INCREASED TESTING.

WHICH IS JUST OBVIOUSLY TRUE WHAT DO YOU THINK IS MORE LIKELY

TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR AN INCREASE OF CASES OF AN

INFECTIOUS DISEASE INCREASED TESTING, OR RE‐OPENING

GYMS, MALLS, BARBERSHOPS, BOWLING ALLEYS, MASSAGE PARLORS,

AND EVERYONE'S FAVORITE LOCAL TAVERN "O'COUGHAGINS"?

AND, YET, THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS COMMITTED TO

THE LIE THAT THE CORONAVIRUS HAS JUST DISAPPEARED, WHEN IN

REALITY IT NEVER WENT AWAY, AND IT IS, IN FACT, GETTING WORSE.

YESTERDAY, PENCE PUBLISHED AN OP‐ED IN THE "WALL STREET

JOURNAL" TITLED "THERE ISN'T A CORONAVIRUS 'SECOND WAVE.'

YEAH, THAT'S BECAUSE WE'RE NOT DONE WITH THE FIRST WAVE

THAT'S LIKE SERVING SOMEONE AN UNDERCOOKED HAMBURGER, AND WHILE

THEY'RE STILL EATING IT, SAYING, "SEE, THERE'S NO DIARRHEA!

THERE WILL BE, THERE JUST ISN'T ANY YET.

IN FACT, WE HAVE FAILED MISERABLY COMPARED TO MOST OTHER

DEVELOPED NATIONS. LOOK AT THIS CHART COMPARING OUR

CURVE OF CONFIRMED CASES TO THE EUROPEAN UNION

OR LOOK AT THESE CURVES FROM THE "NEW YORK TIMES" FOR THREE

EUROPEAN COUNTRIES THAT SAW MAJOR OUTBREAKS, AND HAVE SINCE

SUPPRESSED THOSE OUTBREAKS AND BENT THEIR CURVES ALL THE WAY

BACK DOWN. NOW, ADD IN THE UNITED STATES.

THE U. S. IS A PLATEAU, AND ITALY, SPAIN, AND GERMANY ALL

HAVE DOWNWARD SLOPES PROVING SOMETHING I'VE LONG SAID, "THE

SKIING IS BETTER IN EUROPE IT JUST IS!"

WE SHOULD LEARN FROM THEM. INSTEAD, OUR LEADERS CONTINUE TO

POLITICIZE EVEN BASIC MEASURES THAT WE KNOW COULD STEM THE

SPREAD OF THE VIRUS LIKE MASK‐WEARING

TRUMP AND PENCE HAVE TURNED MASK‐WEARING INTO A DUMB,

CONSERVATIVE CULTURE WAR ISSUE BY REPEATEDLY REFUSING TO WEAR

ONE IN PUBLIC. AND PENCE DID IT AGAIN DURING A

TRIP TO A RESTAURANT IN IOWA ON TUESDAY.

DUDE, JUST BE POLITE AND WEAR THE MASK

WHY DO YOU HAVE TO BE SUCH A DICK ABOUT EVERYTHING?

DO YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK STUPID WITH A MASK?

THE WORLD CAN STILL GO ON, EVEN IF WE CAN'T SEE YOUR DUMB LITTLE

HYPHEN MOUTH IF YOU PUT A BLANK PIECE OF

PAPER OVER YOUR FACE, NO ONE WOULD KNOW THE DIFFERENCE.

YOU ALREADY HAVE RESTING MASK FACE

IN FACT, TRUMP SEEMS INTENT ON MAKING THE SITUATION WORSE BY

HOLDING A GIANT INDOOR RALLY ON SATURDAY IN TULSA, A HOT SPOT

WHERE CASES ARE SPIKING AND WHERE THE DIRECTOR OF THE TULSA

HEALTH DEPARTMENT HAS SAID HE WISHES TRUMP WOULD POSTPONE THE

RALLY. TRUMP NONETHELESS DOUBLED DOWN ON TWITTER

NOTION ON TWITTER, AND HE REJECTS IT, SAYING, "THE FAR

LEFT FAKE NEWS MEDIA, WHICH HAD NO COVID PROBLEMS WITH THE

RIOTERS AND LOOTERS DESTROYING DEMOCRAT‐RUN CITIES, IS TRYING

TO COVID‐SHAME US ON OUR BIG RALLIES.

WON'T WORK." >> Seth: YOU DON'T HAVE TO TELL

US YOU'RE IMMUNE TO SHAME. WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH YOUR WORK.

IT IS CLEAR TO ALL OF US THAT YOU HAVE TESTED POSITIVE FOR

SHAME ANTIBODIES ALSO, DON'T COMPARE A GIANT

INDOOR RALLY TO A PROTEST. THERE'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE

BETWEEN AN OUTDOOR GATHERING WHERE EVERYONE'S WEARING A MASK

AND AN INDOOR CAMPAIGN RALLY/MOSH‐PIT IN AN ARENA WITH

LIMITED VENTILATION WHERE EVERYONE'S CHEEK TO CHEEK

CHANTING, "BUILD THAT WALL." ALSO, NO ONE IS LESS OF AN

ESSENTIAL WORKER THAN A TRUMP RALLY ATTENDEE

YOU'VE BEEN CHANTING "BUILD THAT WALL" FOR FIVE YEARS

NADA SO, TRUMP IS BOTH MALEVOLENT AND

DUMB HOLLYWOOD HAS DONE US A REAL

DISSERVICE TRYING TO CONVINCE US THAT EVIL PEOPLE ARE ALL

GENIUSES THEY'RE ALWAYS SUAVE AND

WELL‐SPOKEN, AND A LOT OF THEM HAVE PhDs.

DR. NO, DR. DOOM, DR. OCTOPUS. ALL TRUMP HAS IS A MASTERS

DEGREE IN COPYING OFF THE KID IN FRONT OF HIM

NOT ONLY DOES HE NOT KNOW HOW CORONAVIRUS TESTING WORKS, HE

DOESN'T EVEN KNOW HOW HIS OWN INDUSTRY, REAL ESTATE, WORKS

HERE HE IS AT A ROUNDTABLE EVENT

LAST WEEK DESCRIBING HOW, I GUESS, SOME BUILDINGS ARE NICER AND ALSO CHEAPER THAN OTHERS

>> SOMETIMES YOU'LL SEE A BUILDING THAT COSTS LESS MONEY

THAN ANOTHER BUILDING THAT COSTS MORE BECAUSE THE ONE THAT BUILT

THE ONE THAT COSTS MORE, THIS ONE LOOKS BETTER

THE ONE THAT'S CHEAPER, IT LOOKS BETTER

THEY SAY HOW MUCH MORE DID YOU SPEND FOR THAT BUILDING?

ACTUALLY WE SPENT LESS YOU CAN DO THAT.

IT'S CALLED, YOU HAVE TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

>> Seth: HE SOUNDS LIKE A NEW YORK CITY TOUR GUIDE WHO FORGOT

HIS NOTE CARDS "UH, INTERESTING FACT.

SOMETIMES YOU'LL SEE A BUILDING THAT, YOU KNOW, COSTS LESS MONEY

THAN ANOTHER BUILDING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE ONE THAT BUILT THE

ONE THAT COSTS MORE, THIS ONE'S CHEAPER.

AND, UH, M&M STORE!" HE'S LIKE A DUMBER VERSION THAN

THE KID FROM "JERRY MAGUIRE. "DID YOU KNOW THAT SOMETIMES

BUILDINGS THAT COST LESS LOOK NICER?!"

OF COURSE, THE CORE OF WHAT HE WAS SAYING WAS, "IF YOU MAKE A

CHEAP THING LOOK NICE, PEOPLE WILL PAY MORE, AND BY THE TIME

THEY REALIZE IT'S CHEAP, YOU HAVE THEIR MONEY, AND IT'S TOO

LATE TO DO ANYTHING. TRUMP STYLE!

THE ONLY ‐‐ THE ONLY SMART MOVE TRUMP EVER MADE AS A BUILDER WAS

GIVING TRUMP TOWER AN ESCALATOR INSTEAD OF A RAMP.

THE COURSE OF HISTORY WOULD'VE BEEN VERY DIFFERENT IF THAT HAD

BEEN A RAMP. "WE ARE WAITING ON DONALD TRUMP,

WHO IS EXPECTED TO ANNOUNCE HIS BID FOR THE PRESIDENCY, AND HERE

HE IS NOW AT THE TOP OF THE FAMOUS TRUMP TOWER RAMP.

HEADING DOWN FAIRLY GINGERLY AND, OH, IT LOOKS LIKE HE'S

PICKING UP SOME SPEED. AND BASED ON HIS EXPRESSION,

THAT WAS NOT PART OF THE PLAN. OH, YOU CAN REALLY SEE THE

WHITENESS OF HIS KNUCKLES AS THEY GRASP HELPLESSLY AT THE

RAILING. OH, HE'S DOWN!

HE'S DOWN, AND HE HAS TAKEN MELANIA WITH HIM, AND I DO NOT

SPEAK SLOVENIAN, BUT THOSE HAVE ‐‐ THOSE JUST HAVE TO BE

CURSE WORDS. IF YOU ARE JUST NOW JOINING US,

DONALD TRUMP, EXPECTED TO ANNOUNCE A PRESIDENTIAL RUN, HAS

EATEN IT HARD ON THE RAMP. TRUMP'S BRAIN IS ONLY CAPABLE OF

THINKING IN TRANSACTIONS HIS ONLY INTEREST, IN ANY

SITUATION, IS WHAT'S IN IT FOR HIM.

THAT'S WHY HE WISHES HE COULD JUST STOP TESTING FOR

CORONAVIRUS. WE'VE SEEN IT TIME AND TIME

AGAIN. FOR EXAMPLE, TRUMP'S EX‐NATIONAL

SECURITY ADVISER, JOHN BOLTON, WHO COURAGEOUSLY HID BEHIND HIS

MUSTACHE, RATHER THAN TESTIFY IN TRUMP'S IMPEACHMENT TRIAL, HAS

ALLEGED IN A NEW TELL‐ALL BOOK THAT NOT ONLY DID TRUMP SEEK TO

LEVERAGE AID TO UKRAINE TO HELP

HIS RE‐ELECTION BID, BUT THAT TRUMP DID SIMILAR STUFF ALL THE TIME

>> ANOTHER FORMER AIDE IS TAKING AIM AT PRESIDENT TRUMP

JOHN BOLTON WHO SERVED AS NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER SAYS

IN A NEW BOOK THE PRESIDENT WAS CONCERNED ONLY WITH GETTING

RE‐ELECTED AND THAT MISCONDUCT IN HIS FOREIGN POLICY WENT

BEYOND UKRAINE >> THE BOOK WHICH IS TITLED "THE

ROOM WHERE IT HAPPENED: A WHITE HOUSE MEMOIR," WAS SLATED TO

COME OUT NEXT WEEK THE PUBLISHER SAYS THE BOOK IS,

QUOTE, A PRECISE RENDERING OF HIS DAYS IN AND AROUND THE OVAL

OFFICE WHAT BOLTON SAW ASTONISHED HIM

A PRESIDENT FOR WHOM GETTING RE‐ELECTED WAS THE ONLY THING

THAT MATTERED, EVEN IF IT MEANT ENDANGERING OR WEAKENING THE

NATION >> Seth: WHAT'S THE OPPOSITE OF

BEING SO SHOCKED YOU SPIT OUT WATER?

"DONALD TRUMP IS ONLY DRIVEN BY SELF‐INTEREST?

AND THANKS FOR TELLING US NOW. I MEAN, THAT'S INFORMATION THAT

WOULD HAVE BEEN WAY MORE HELPFUL TO US SIX MONTHS AGO DURING THE

IMPEACHMENT TRIAL. YOU'RE LIKE A GUY WHO SEES HIS

NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE ON FIRE AND INSTEAD OF CALLING 9‐1‐1,

WRITES A BOOK CALLED, "HEY, THAT HOUSE IS ON FIRE!"

"BOB, I WROTE A BOOK ABOUT YOUR HOUSE BEING ON FIRE.

I WOULD LOVE TO SEND IT TO YOU, BUT, YOU KNOW, THE HOUSE BURNED

DOWN SO WHERE ARE YOU GUYS NOW, A

HOTEL? THERE'S NO ONE, NO ONE TO ROOT

FOR IN A TRUMP VERSUS BOLTON FIGHT.

THEY'RE BOTH MEGALOMANIAC SOCIOPATHS LOOKING OUT FOR

THEMSELVES IT'S A REAL "ALIEN VERSUS

PREDATOR" SITUATION. EXCEPT ALL YOU NEED TO DO TO

STOP ALIEN TRUMP IS INSTALL A RAMP

"HE'S GETTING CLOSER HE'S GETTING CLOSER!

OH, HE'S SLOWING DOWN. OH, HE'S SLOWING DOWN.

OKAY, HE'S SLOWING WAY DOWN. OH, YOU KNOW WHAT, I THINK WE'RE

GOOD I THINK WE'RE GOOD TO MOVE

AROUND OUR SPACESHIP AS WE DID BEFORE THIS ALIEN INFESTATION.

THE PRESIDENT AND HIS TEAM ARE LYING ABOUT THE ONGOING

CORONAVIRUS PANDEMIC IN AN ATTEMPT TO COVER IT UP AND

PRETEND IT'S OVER, WHEN, IN REALITY, IT'S GETTING WORSE.

THE PANDEMIC HAS LAID BARE THE WEAKNESSES OF OUR INSTITUTIONS

AND PROVEN ONCE AGAIN THAT IN ORDER TO BE PRESIDENT, AT THE

VERY LEAST ‐ >> YOU HAVE TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE

DOING. >> Seth: THIS HAS BEEN "A CLOSER

LOOK." ♪

AS NEW YORK STRUGGLES TO REOPEN, REMEMBER THAT WE'RE STILL A CITY

IN CRISIS, AND CITY HARVEST HAS BEEN STEPPING UP TO MEET THE

INCREASED NEED THERE'S A WEBSITE BELOW TO

DONATE WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH

HANK AZARIA. ♪

>> Seth: OUR FIRST GUEST TONIGHT IS AN EMMY AWARD‐WINNING ACTOR

YOU KNOW FROM HIS WORK IN "THE BIRDCAGE," "RAY DONOVAN," AND

"THE SIMPSONS. ALL FOUR SEASONS OF HIS SHOW,

"BROCKMIRE," ARE STREAMING ON

HULU NOW HERE'S MY CONVERSATION WITH HANK AZARIA.

>> Seth: WELCOME BACK, HANK. HOW ARE YOU?

>> I'M HANGING IN THERE, SETH. HOW ARE YOU DOING?

>> Seth: I'M DOING ALL RIGHT I WANT TO START BY TALKING ABOUT

THE METS USUALLY WE WOULD BE IN A

COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PART OF THE SEASON

YOU'RE BOTH A METS' FAN AND A KNICKS' FAN.

AND WITH THOSE TEAMS, HAS THE PAUSE ON LIVE SPORTS BEEN GOOD

FOR YOUR MENTAL HEALTH, OR DO YOU STILL DESPERATELY MISS IT?

>> BOTH. I MEAN, I SAW SOMEBODY POSTED

ONLINE YESTERDAY, LIKE, WOW, I WATCHED A MOVIE TONIGHT THAT I

ENJOYED, WHERE NORMALLY I WOULD JUST HAVE FREAKED OUT AND GOT

WILDLY FRUSTRATED WITH THE METS. I MEAN, WHAT HAVE I BEEN

THINKING ALL THESE YEARS [ LAUGHTER ]

PEACE IN MY LIFE YEAH, BUT, YOU KNOW, ON THE ONE

HAND, IT'S A RELIEF NOT TO WATCH THE KNICKS AND METS FAIL

MISERABLY. ON THE OTHER HAND, I'D SORT OF

GIVE ANYTHING TO WATCH THEM FAIL MISERABLY.

>> Seth: YEAH. MY FATHER‐IN‐LAW LOVES MUSIC THE

WAY I LOVE SPORTS. AND I REALIZED THAT WHEN HE GOES

TO A CONCERT, THERE'S NEVER A CHANCE THAT HE'S GOING TO LEAVE

UPSET. LIKE THE BAND IS GOING TO PLAY

THE HITS WHERE AS, JUST YOU'RE FLIPPING A

COIN WHEN YOU GO TO SEE A SPORTS GAME

I WANT TO TALK ABOUT "BROCKMIRE."

AND I WANT TO GET TO LIKE HOW THE CHARACTER HAS EVOLVED.

BUT THIS STARTED AS SORT OF A CLASSIC SKETCH CHARACTER THAT

HAS NOW, WHICH IS INCREDIBLE, ENDURED FOUR SEASONS ON

TELEVISION BUT HOW DID YOU FIRST COME UP

WITH THE CHARACTER >> THIS IS THE VOICE OF

JIM BROCKMIRE. I CALL IT THE GENERIC

'70s BASEBALL ANNOUNCER VOICE. AND, YOU KNOW, I WAS 15 YEARS

OLD. I'M GOING TO TELL YOU THE STORY

AS JIM BROCKMIRE SAID. I WAS 15 YEARS OLD, AND THE YEAR

WAS 1979 AND RIGHT ABOUT THEN, IT STARTED

OCCURRING TO ME THAT WHY DO ALL THESE GUYS TALK THIS WAY

DO THEY ALWAYS SOUND ‐‐ DO THEY SOUND LIKE THIS IN THEIR

PERSONAL LIVES LIKE WHEN THEY'RE DIRTY TALKING

THEIR GOOD‐LADY WIVES DURING SEX, DOES IT STILL COME OUT THIS

WAY? DO THEY SOUND THIS WAY WHEN

THEY'RE WASTED ALSO, HARRY SHEARER AND I AT

"THE SIMPSONS" NOTICE ‐‐ WE TALK A LOT.

HE DOES AN AMAZING VIN SCULLY, HARRY SHEARER.

IT'S ONE OF THOSE IMPRESSIONS THAT, LIKE, YOU CAN'T TELL THE

DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ACTUAL VIN SCULLY AND HARRY SHEARER

>> Seth: SURE. >> AND WE NOTED THAT BASEBALL

ANNOUNCERS CAN SAY PRETTY MUCH WHATEVER THEY LIKE AS LONG AS

THEY GIVE THE COUNT AFTERWARDS, YOU KNOW, SO

"HEY, I SPENT MOST OF LAST EVENING WITH AN 8 BALL OF

COCAINE AND A PROSTITUTE AS JOHNSON SWINGS AND MISSES AT

THE BREAKING BALL, 0‐1." SO, THAT BECAME, LIKE, THE COMIC

PREMISE ‐‐ IS JUST, WHAT WEIRD STUFF CAN YOU SAY AND GIVE THE

COUNT, AND THEN, DO THESE GUYS ALWAYS TALK LIKE THIS?

AND YOU KNOW WHAT'S FUNNY, YOU KNOW, GIVEN YOUR "SNL" ROOTS

BY THE TIME I WAS ABOUT ‐‐ ABOUT 15 YEARS AGO MAYBE, LIKE, SO I

MUST'VE BEEN IN MY EARLY 40s I ALWAYS WANTED TO BE ON "SNL.

I ALWAYS FELT LIKE MY SKILLSET WOULD'VE BEEN GOOD

>> Seth: VERY MUCH SO. IT WOULD'VE BEEN VERY GOOD

>> NEVER DID I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY.

AND I DON'T WRITE FOR MYSELF VERY WELL.

SO, IT JUST WASN'T A NATURAL FOR ME

AND SO, I WALKED INTO MY AGENT'S OFFICE, I'M LIKE, "I'M NOT ON

'SNL.' WHERE CAN I HAVE THESE BUNCH OF

CHARACTERS WHERE CAN I DO THEM?

AND THEY WERE, LIKE, "WELL, YOU KNOW, WILL FERRELL CREATED

"FUNNY OR DIE" FOR ALMOST EXACTLY THIS PURPOSE."

>> Seth: AND IT REALLY DOES SPEAK TO HOW FUNNY THE SKETCH

WAS IN THE BEGINNING AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, IF YOU

WATCH THE PILOT EPISODE, IT FEELS LIKE SORT OF A SEX ROMP

AND THIS FUNNY IDEA OF A GUY COMING UNDONE.

AND, YET, IT'S ‐‐ YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS HAVE ATTACKED ADDICTION

YOU'VE ATTACKED RELATIONSHIPS. AND I MEAN IT'S MIND BLOWING TO

ME THAT YOU DID THIS FOURTH SEASON ‐

OBVIOUSLY YOU FILMED IT BEFORE ANY OF 2020 STARTED GETTING

CRAZY. BUT YOU JUMPED BASICALLY 10, 15

YEARS INTO THE FUTURE. BASEBALL IS HANGING ON FOR DEAR

LIFE THE WORLD IS COMING UNDONE

I MEAN, DO YOU GUYS TALK ABOUT HOW FAR AHEAD OF THE CURVE YOU

WERE AND HOW UNFORTUNATE THAT YOU WERE SO RIGHT?

>> I THINK IT WAS WILDLY PRECOGNITIVE, SEASON FOUR.

YEAH, I MEAN, THE FIRST FIVE MINUTES OF SEASON FOUR, YOU GET

THIS, LIKE, FAUX "TODAY" SHOW OPENING WHERE THERE'S A

PANDEMIC THERE'S RIOTING IN THE STREETS

WHAT WASN'T SO HARD TO PREDICT TEN YEARS FROM NOW IS THAT THE

AVERAGE TEMPERATURE MIGHT BE 170 DEGREES.

BUT THE FACT THAT BASEBALL'S VERY NEAR DEATH.

WHO WOULD'VE THOUGHT THAT THERE'D BE MORE BASEBALL IN A

FICTITIOUS TEN YEARS FROM NOW THAN THERE IS IN THE REALITY

OF 2020? THAT'S JOEL CHURCH‐COOPER.

YOU KNOW, MY TAKE ON THE CHARACTER WAS THAT ROMP, THAT

RAUNCHY ROMP, THAT THE SHORT WAS ‐‐ IT WAS PRETTY SOPHOMORIC,

YOU KNOW I MADE THE CHARACTER AN

ALCOHOLIC JUST TO JUSTIFY SAYING OUTLANDISH [ BLEEP ], PARDON ME.

[ LAUGHTER ] OUTLANDISH CRAP ON THE AIR

BUT HE SAW THE DEPTH OF A MAN STRUGGLING WITH HIS ALCOHOLISM

AND ALL THAT THAT IMPLIES AND TRYING TO FIND ‐‐ LIKE BASEBALL,

TRYING TO FIND RELEVANCE IN MODERN TIMES

I'M, LIKE, "WHAT DID YOU WRITE HERE, MAN?

IT'S BRILLIANT." YEAH, I GOT LUCKY.

>> Seth: WELL, I WONDER, LIKE, WHAT HAS IT BEEN LIKE FOR YOU AS

AN ACTOR THAT YOU CREATE A CHARACTER THAT, YOU KNOW, NOT TO

DEVALUE IT AT ALL, SEEMS LIKE A SKETCH CHARACTER

AND THEN, YOU FIND THIS WRITER THAT'S GIVING HIM ALL THIS

DEPTH. AND YOU'RE INTO IT AS THIS

REALLY FUN, LIKE, VOCAL IMPRESSION

HAS THAT MADE IT EASIER FOR YOU TO ‐‐ BECAUSE YOU'RE SO GREAT AT

PLAYING THE REALITY OF THIS PERSON

STARTING WITH THE SILLY VOICE, HAS IT MADE PLAYING THE DARK

PARTS EASIER, OR HAS IT BEEN HARDER

>> KIND OF BOTH. I MEAN, A LOT OF MY GIG OR MY

NICHE OR MY SHTICK, IF YOU WILL, IS CREATING A SILLY VOICE AND

THEN SEEING IF I CAN FILL IT IN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, IT'S ALMOST

LIKE A GAME. LIKE, CAN I MAKE THIS A REAL

HUMAN BEING? AND IT BECAME A FUN CHALLENGE.

LIKE, AMANDA PEET, WHO PLAYS BROCKMIRE'S LOVE, SHE'S GREAT,

AND SHE'S VERY REAL AND RAW, YOU KNOW

AND IT'S A GREAT CHARACTER SHE'S PLAYING.

SO WE'LL HAVE THESE INTENSE CONVERSATIONS IN THE SHOW WHERE

SHE'S CRYING AND SCREAMING AND UPSET.

AND I'VE GOT TO ANSWER HER IN TIME, BUT I'VE GOT TO SAY IT

LIKE THIS. [ LAUGHTER ]

I'VE GOT TO TALK TO HER LIKE IT'S BASEBALL.

AND I KNOW IN MY MIND, LIKE, "OH, AMANDA'S REALLY UPSET, I'VE

GOT TO TAKE CARE OF HER, BUT IT'S GOT TO COME OUT OF THIS

FILTER AND CAN I MAKE THAT SOUND

SINCERE? AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S BEEN THE

FUN OF THE CHARACTER >> WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT I DO?

I TIP MY CAP TO BOTH OF YOU BECAUSE YOU STAY IN THE

CHARACTER, AND SHE HAS DONE SUCH A FANTASTIC JOB OF ‐‐ SHE NOW

ACCEPTS ‐‐ YOU KNOW, HER CHARACTER ACCEPTS YOUR CHARACTER

AS REAL AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT SUCH A FUN SHOW TO WATCH AS

OPPOSED TO SOMETHING THAT I THINK COULD'VE BEEN SO MUCH

BROADER AND LESS EFFECTIVE WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH MORE

HANK RIGHT AFTER THIS.

♪ >> Seth: HERE'S MORE OF MY CONVERSATION WITH HANK AZARIA.

CRAZY. BUT YOU HAVE BEEN NOW DOING

32 YEARS OF "THE SIMPSONS. YOU WERE A YOUNG MAN WHEN "THE

SIMPSONS" BEGAN. WHAT WAS IT ‐‐ DO YOU HAVE ANY

SENSE OF WHAT IT WOULD BE ‐‐ I MEAN, CERTAINLY, NO ONE WOULD

HAVE A SENSE OF HOW LONG IT WOULD'VE GONE ON

BUT WHAT WAS IT LIKE IN THE BEGINNING WHEN YOU WENT IN TO

RECORD VOICES? >> YOU'RE TALKING 33, 34 YEARS

AGO. I WAS 22 OR 23 YEARS OLD

IT WAS AN AUDITION LIKE ANY OTHER.

I KIND OF STROLLED IN. MATT GROENING AND THE LATE GREAT

SAM SIMON WERE SITTING THERE JIM BROOKS WASN'T THERE, BUT THE

OTHER TWO CO‐CREATORS. AND I DIDN'T KNOW ‐‐ NO ONE KNEW

WHAT THE SHOW WAS. IT WAS A YEAR OR TWO BEFORE IT

GOT RELEASED AND THE FIRST VOICE I AUDITIONED

WAS MOE. AND I WAS DOING A SORT OF A

PACINO IMPRESSION. A YOUNG KIND OF "DOG DAY

AFTERNOON" AL PACINO IMPRESSION. I THOUGHT MIGHT BE GOOD FOR IT

AND THEY WERE, LIKE, "CAN YOU MAKE THAT GRAVELLY?"

AND SO I KIND OF MADE IT GRAVELLY

AND THAT SOUNDED LIKE MOE. AND THEY SAID, "COOL, WILL YOU

COME RECORD? I'M, LIKE, "NOW, LIKE RIGHT

NOW? AND THEY WERE, LIKE, "YEAH."

AND I WALKED OVER WITH THEM ON THE FOX LOT.

LIKE, I'M 22 I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN

GENERAL ANYWHERE, LET ALONE IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE.

I RECORDED ‐ >> Seth: THAT'S CRAZY.

>> YEAH. AND THEN, EVERY WEEK, THEY HAD

ME BACK, AND THEN, THE SHOW DIDN'T AIR FOR LIKE ANOTHER YEAR

OR TWO AFTER THAT. >> Seth: THIS MIGHT BE AN

IGNORANT QUESTION, BUT DO YOU ALWAYS SEE THE ART OF THE

CHARACTER BEFORE YOU COME UP WITH A VOICE

>> NEVER >> Seth: WOW

>> SOMETIMES IN CERTAIN ANIMATION PROJECTS, THEY WILL

KIND OF SHOW YOU WHAT THEY'RE THINKING

BUT IN THIS CASE, NO YOU JUST ‐‐ I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT

ANYTHING LOOKED LIKE I JUST DID VOICES.

AND THEY WERE VERY METICULOUS, WHICH I REALIZED, I DIDN'T KNOW

THEN BECAUSE I HAD NOTHING TO COMPARE IT TO, BUT THEY WERE

VERY PAINSTAKING ABOUT TAKES AND TRYING IT THIS WAY AND TRYING IT

THAT WAY SO IT WAS A LOT ‐‐ IN THE FIRST

YEAR OR TWO OF THE SHOW, WE WERE THERE A LONG TIME RECORDING.

NOW IT'S KIND OF LIKE CLOCKWORK, AS YOU MIGHT IMAGINE

>> Seth: SURE. DID YOU ‐‐ SO YOUR SON'S 11.

GROWING UP WHEN YOU WERE, YOU KNOW, READING BOOKS TO HIM AND

BEING A FATHER IN GENERAL, WAS HE IMPRESSED WITH YOUR ABILITY

TO COME UP WITH VOICES AND BE A MIMIC?

>> NO. HE WAS, IF ANYTHING, FRIGHTENED

AND ANNOYED. [ LAUGHTER ]

LIKE, WHY ARE STRANGE NOISES COMING OUT OF DADDY?

IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. AND WHEN WE WERE PREGNANT, WE

RAN INTO ROBIN WILLIAMS, WHO I KNEW AND WORKED WITH A FEW

TIMES. AND, OF COURSE, ROBIN DID ‐‐ YOU

KNOW, BEING ROBIN, DID A 20‐MINUTE SHTICK ON MY WIFE'S

PREGNANT BELLY AND IN BETWEEN CRAZY JOKES,

SAID, "YOU'LL SEE," BECAUSE HE KNEW I WAS A VOICE GUY

HE SAID, "YOU'LL SEE YOUR KID WON'T LET YOU DO VOICES

FOR LIKE THE FIRST SIX YEARS HE'S ALIVE."

AND HE WAS COMPLETELY CORRECT ABOUT THAT

AND THEN, OVER THE YEARS, HE HAS EASED HIS POLICY

BUT THEN IT HAD TO BE, LIKE, CERTAIN VOICES WOULD SCARE HIM

AND STILL DO [ LAUGHTER ]

LIKE, I CAN DO A PRETTY GOOD VILLAIN, YOU KNOW.

I CAN START WITH THIS STUFF AND [ GROWLS ]

AND HE'S, LIKE "AH, DADDY, NO! [ LAUGHTER ]

>> Seth: MY SON WILL BE SAVED FROM THAT, BY MY TERRIBLE VOICE

WORK UM, HEY, LAST THING.

THIS IS A REAL ‐‐ I WANT TO SHOUT YOU OUT.

THE "BROCKMIRE" JACKET, WHICH IS A WORTHY INCLUSION, IS CURRENTLY

IN THE HALL OF FAME, BASEBALL HALL OF FAME

>> IT IS NEXT TO "THE SIMPSONS" DISPLAY FOR THE "HOMER AT THE

BAT" EPISODE IS THE "BROCKMIRE" JACKET

AND OLD TIMEY MICROPHONE I THINK THE FOLKS OVER THERE ARE

BIG "BROCKMIRE" FANS I'M VERY BAD AT SELLING MY OWN

PROJECTS BUT I LOVE THIS SHOW SO MUCH,

"BROCKMIRE," I MEAN. I LOVE "THE SIMPSONS" TOO.

BUT TAKE THE "BROCKMIRE" CHALLENGE, SETH MEYERS'

AUDIENCE WATCH ‐‐ IT'S ALL ON HULU, ALL

FOUR SEASONS YOU CAN BINGE IT NOW

IT'S EIGHT EPISODES PER SEASON, 22 MINUTES

THAT'S ONE QUARANTINE AFTERNOON. I MEAN, COME ON.

>> Seth: ABSOLUTELY. >> WATCH THE FIRST FIVE MINUTES

OF SEASON ONE. IF YOU DON'T ‐‐ OF EPISODE ONE,

SEASON ONE IF YOU DON'T LAUGH, YOU HAVE MY

PERMISSION TO STOP WATCHING. >> Seth: AND I ALSO WANT TO

STRESS, BECAUSE I THINK MY NEW FAVORITE THING IS IF YOU CAN

HAVE A 22‐MINUTE SHOW THAT ALSO HAS SOME DRAMA IN IT, THAT'S A

GOLD MINE FOR ME AND "BROCKMIRE" HAS A LOT OF

THAT SO, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND IT AS

WELL HANK, IT'S ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO

SEE YOU, BUDDY >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH,

SETH MEYERS. KEEP UP THE WONDERFUL WORK

[ LAUGHTER ] ♪

>> Seth: COME BACK TOMORROW, WE'LL HAVE THE GREAT

WANDA SYKES, AND JUDD APATOW WILL BE HERE TO TALK ABOUT "THE

KING OF STATEN ISLAND. AND AN ALL NEW "CLOSER LOOK.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK. ♪

>> Seth: OUR NEXT GUEST IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE APPEAL, A

NONPROFIT JOURNALISM SITE FOCUSED ON CRIMINAL JUSTICE, AND

THE HOST OF THE POPULAR PODCAST

"JUSTICE IN AMERICA. HERE'S MY CONVERSATION WITH JOSIE DUFFY RICE

>> GOOD. HOW ARE YOU?

>> Seth: I AM WONDERFUL. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR MAKING

TIME FOR US. I HAVE TO IMAGINE THIS LAST FEW

WEEKS HAS BEEN VERY EMOTIONALLY OVERWHELMING FOR YOU AS IT HAS

BEEN FOR SO MANY OF US BUT IT ALSO MUST BE

PROFESSIONALLY OVERWHELMING. I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE HOW MANY

PEOPLE HAVE BEEN REACHING OUT TO YOU BASED ON WHAT YOU WERE

ALREADY DOING. >> YEAH.

I THINK I'M GETTING, LIKE, 200 MORE EMAILS A DAY.

[ LIGHT LAUGHTER ] AND I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE FOR

PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN DOING THIS WORK LONGER.

SO, IT IS ‐‐ IT IS PEOPLE FINALLY WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT

I'VE BEEN TRYING TO TALK ABOUT FOR A LONG TIME.

SO IT'S EXCITING >> Seth: AND HOW LONG HAS IT

BEEN ‐‐ HOW LONG WOULD YOU SAY YOU'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT

>> I STARTED WORKING IN CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM, LIKE, TEN YEARS

AGO. AND IN THE MIDDLE I WENT TO LAW

SCHOOL AND STUFF BUT I DEFINITELY ‐‐ LIKE, MY

HUSBAND HAS BEEN TIRED OF ME TALKING ABOUT THIS STUFF, LIKE,

AT THE DINNER TABLE FOR YEARS. SO NOW I FEEL LIKE A LITTLE

VINDICATED BY THE FACT THAT EVERYBODY'S INTERESTED, YOU

KNOW [ LIGHT LAUGHTER ]

>> Seth: SO, I DO WANT TO ASK ABOUT THE FACT THAT I'M

IMAGINING NOW MORE THAN EVER YOU HAVE ‐

BECAUSE IT DOES SEEM AS THOUGH THIS HAS BEEN AN AWAKENING FOR

WHITE PEOPLE, AND YOU PROBABLY HAVE A LOT OF THEM COMING TO YOU

ASKING FOR BOTH CONSTRUCTION AND EXPLANATION.

IS THAT WONDERFUL, OR IS THERE A FRUSTRATION TO THE FACT THAT YOU

ARE HAVING TO SERVICE THEM AT A TIME WHEN YOU COULD BE DOING

OTHER THINGS >> I REALLY APPRECIATE HOW HARD

IT IS TO LEARN SOMETHING NEW, YOU KNOW

AND, LIKE, I REALLY APPRECIATE HOW HARD IT IS TO ASK QUESTIONS

AND REALLY SAY, LIKE, "WHAT CAN I DO?"

"WHY IS THIS HAPPENING?" "WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS?"

AND, SO, WHILE THERE ARE ONLY 24 HOURS IN A DAY, AND I HAVEN'T

ALWAYS BEEN ABLE TO GET BACK TO EVERYBODY THAT I WANT TO GET

BACK TO, I THINK PEOPLE ASKING QUESTIONS IN GOOD FAITH IS

REALLY, UM ‐‐ I'M REALLY GRATEFUL FOR THAT.

OF COURSE, I ALSO HAVE THE HIGH SCHOOL FRIENDS THAT EVERYBODY

HAS THAT ARE POSTING THE SAME "ALL LIVES MATTER" THINGS.

AND THOSE I'M NOT GOING TO WASTE MY TIME ON

BUT ‐‐ [ LIGHT LAUGHTER ]

>> Seth: RIGHT >> FOR PEOPLE WHO, YOU KNOW ‐‐ I

THINK THIS IS A GALVANIZING MOMENT FOR PEOPLE.

AND I THINK FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE THEY JUST DIDN'T SEE THIS AS THE

MAJOR KIND OF ISSUE THAT IT IS IN SO MANY BLACK COMMUNITIES

AND SO IF THIS IS TURNING LIGHTS ON FOR PEOPLE, I THINK THAT'S

GOOD >> Seth: THERE HAVE BEEN SOME

RESULTS. RIGHT?

WE'VE SEEN SOME POLICE DEPARTMENTS BAN NO‐KNOCK

WARRANTS, LIKE IN LOUISVILLE CHOKEHOLDS HAVE BEEN BANNED IN

SOME POLICE DEPARTMENTS. DO YOU SEE THOSE AS PROGRESS, OR

ARE YOU WORRIED THAT PEOPLE WILL SEE IT AS THE COMPLETION OF A

SOLUTION AS OPPOSED TO THE VERY BEGINNING?

>> YEAH. I THINK A LOT OF THE SOLUTIONS

FALL INTO TWO DIFFERENT CAMPS. THERE ARE SOME SOLUTIONS LIKE

WHAT YOU SEE IN LOS ANGELES, MINNEAPOLIS, WHERE THEY'RE

REALLY TALKING ABOUT REDUCING THE RESOURCES THAT WE SPEND ON

POLICE AND PUTTING THOSE RESOURCES ELSEWHERE.

RIGHT? THINKING ABOUT HOW TO SPEND ON

HEALTH CARE, MENTAL HEALTH RESOURCES, EDUCATION, PARKS.

AND THOSE I THINK ARE REALLY IMPORTANT STEPS.

THE POLICY QUESTIONS, IT'S NOT THAT THEY DON'T MATTER, BUT I

DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO THINK THAT THERE HAVEN'T BEEN POLICIES IN

PLACE SAYING YOU CAN'T KILL PEOPLE

[ LAUGHTER ] BECAUSE THAT WAS A RULE.

RIGHT? AND WHAT WE KNOW IS THAT POLICY

IS OFTEN NO MATCH FOR CULTURE. AND IN PLACES WHERE POLICING

CULTURE IS SO ENTRENCHED AND PROTECTIVE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT,

SMALL POLICY ‐‐ SMALL ATTEMPTS AT POLICY ARE NOT MEANINGLESS,

BUT THEY'RE CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO DO WHAT WE NEED THEM TO DO.

>> Seth: ONE THING THAT YOU OFTEN HEAR FLOATED AS A

SOLUTION, PARTICULARLY TO THE BLACK COMMUNITY, IS, HEY, THE

PROPER WAY TO ADDRESS THIS IS AT THE VOTING BOOTH, RIGHT?

GO TO THE POLLS, MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD THAT WAY

PROTESTING IS COUNTERPRODUCTIVE. AND YET, AS WE SAW IN GEORGIA

RECENTLY, THERE ARE MANY STATES THAT MAKE IT VERY HARD FOR

PARTICULARLY THE BLACK COMMUNITY TO VOTE.

ARE YOU CONCERNED AS YOU LOOK FORWARD TO THE NEXT, YOU KNOW,

THE GENERAL ELECTION IN NOVEMBER, AT HOW DIFFICULT THE

VOTING WAS IN GEORGIA? >> YEAH.

I'M IN GEORGIA WE WENT TO VOTE.

IT TOOK US ABOUT AN HOUR AND A HALF

AND THAT WAS ON THE SHORTER SIDE OF OUR JUST GENERAL AREA

AND, LOOK, THAT'S NOTHING NEW FOR GEORGIA.

BRIAN KEMP AS GOVERNOR, BRIAN KEMP AS SECRETARY OF STATE

BEFORE THIS, THIS IS A DECADES‐LONG HISTORY IN GEORGIA

OF NOT WANTING BLACK PEOPLE, POOR PEOPLE, AND PROGRESSIVES,

MORE GENERALLY, I THINK, TO SHOW UP

AND SO I AM WORRIED. I'M WORRIED EVERY ELECTION DAY

THAT WE MAKE IT SO DIFFICULT FOR PEOPLE TO VOTE

IT'S REALLY ALMOST UNPRECEDENTED IN ANY DEMOCRACY IN THE WORLD

JUST HOW HARD WE MAKE IT TO CAST A BALLOT

AND WHILE IT IS IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT THAT, LIKE, WHAT

HAPPENS AT THE VOTING BOOTH IS NOT THE END OF CIVIC ENGAGEMENT,

IT CERTAINLY IS THE BEGINNING FOR SO MANY PEOPLE

AND THE IDEA THAT, LIKE, PEOPLE MAY NOT ACTUALLY GET TO ELECT

WHO THEY THINK SHOULD REPRESENT THEM, ESPECIALLY IN A SYSTEM

LIKE THIS, IS REALLY TERRIFYING. >> Seth: CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE

IDEA OF FELONY DISENFRANCHISEMENT AND HOW THAT

IS, YOU KNOW, A PUNITIVE ACT ON TOP OF SOMEONE WHO, YOU KNOW,

DOES THEIR TIME, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD.

YOU KNOW, THE IDEAS THAT YOU WOULD PAY BACK TO SOCIETY BY

SPENDING TIME IN PRISON, WHETHER THAT MAKES SENSE OR NOT.

BUT ‐‐ >> RIGHT

>> Seth: THEN THEY'RE ALSO PUNISHED FOR NOT BEING ABLE TO

VOTE WHEN THEY'RE OUT. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU FEEL

LIKE INROADS ARE BEING MADE? OR DO YOU THINK THAT THERE'S AN

ATTRACT ABILITY ON THAT ISSUE? >> YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT AT

LEAST IN TERMS OF THE NARRATIVE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS ISSUE, YOU

SEE PEOPLE TALK MORE ABOUT THE PROBLEM OF FELONY

DISENFRANCHISEMENT, AND THAT'S HUGE

BUT IT REALLY IS A MAJOR ISSUE AND IT'S NOT APPLICABLE IN ANY

OTHER COUNTRY THAT WE WOULD KIND OF COMPARE THE U. S. TO, RIGHT?

IT DOESN'T MAKE MUCH SENSE THAT YOUR ABILITY TO VOTE IS TIED TO

YOUR CRIMINAL RECORD IT JUST DOESN'T ‐‐ THE TWO

THINGS ARE NOT RELATED, AND THEY SHOULDN'T BE RELATED

EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE.

YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE OVER 18 AND FULFILL THEIR QUALIFICATIONS, IT

MAKES SENSE. AND I THINK, MORE BROADLY, IT

MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT IN TIMES LIKE THIS TO TALK ABOUT THE

IMPORTANCE OF VOTING WHEN IT COMES TO THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE

SYSTEM RIGHT?

BECAUSE SO OFTEN THE PEOPLE THAT ARE MOST AFFECTED BY THE SYSTEM

CAN'T EVEN CHOOSE WHO THEIR REPRESENTATIVES ARE THAT ARE

MAKING THE RULES OR CREATING THE CONDITIONS THAT LEAD THEM INTO

THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM TO BEGIN WITH

AND THAT'S A REAL PROBLEM. THERE'S NO REASON THAT SHOULD

HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH WHETHER OR NOT YOU GET TO GO CAST A

BALLOT >> Seth: SO, AGAIN, A LOT OF

PEOPLE SAY WHAT YOU CAN DO RIGHT NOW IS YOU CAN GO VOTE

BUT AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE DIFFICULTY OF THAT AND OBVIOUSLY

PEOPLE SHOULD VOTE, THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT THING, IF

PEOPLE COME TO YOU RIGHT NOW AND ARE, YOU KNOW, ENCOURAGED TO TRY

TO ENACT SOME SORT OF ACTUAL CHANGE, WHAT ARE YOU

RECOMMENDING THAT PEOPLE DO IN THIS MOMENT?

>> I THINK THE FIRST THING I RECOMMEND IS THAT PEOPLE LOOK UP

LOCAL ORGANIZERS IN THEIR COMMUNITIES, PARTICULARLY

BLACK‐LED ORGANIZATIONS. RIGHT?

THERE ARE PEOPLE JUST DOING INCREDIBLE WORK ON THE GROUND

ORGANIZING PEOPLE, TRYING TO MOVE POLICY AND PRACTICE DAY

AFTER DAY. AND, SO, MAKING SURE THAT YOU'RE

SUPPORTING THOSE GROUPS. I MEAN, IT'S GREAT TO SUPPORT

THE BIG NATIONAL ORGANIZATIONS AND THE ACLU, AND ET CETERA.

BUT THESE LOCAL GROUPS NEED YOUR MONEY MORE

THE SECOND THING I ALWAYS TELL PEOPLE TO DO IS TO SUPPORT LOCAL

JOURNALISM, RIGHT? IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO TELL

STORIES LIKE WHAT HAPPENED TO GEORGE FLOYD, FOR THESE THINGS

TO GET PICK UP WITHOUT A JOURNALIST INFRASTRUCTURE.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T JUST RELY ON IT HAPPENING ON TWITTER

FOR US TO REALLY BE ABLE TO TELL STORIES ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING

IN LAW ENFORCEMENT AND SO MAKING SURE TO SUPPORT

LOCAL JOURNALISM, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY STRUGGLING RIGHT NOW,

IS A BIG ONE AND THEN THE THIRD THING IS YOU

SHOULD ALWAYS KNOW WHO'S ON THE BALLOT

RIGHT? THE BALLOT IS NOT THE END GAME

IT CAN'T BE ALL YOU DO BUT IT IS SOMETHING.

AND YOU SHOULD KNOW WHO YOUR DISTRICT ATTORNEY IS

YOU SHOULD KNOW WHO YOUR SHERIFF IS

YOU SHOULD KNOW WHO YOUR CITY COUNCIL PERSON IS AND YOUR STATE

LEGISLATOR AND YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO ASK

THEM QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THEY SUPPORT THE SORT OF

CHANGES THAT YOU WANT TO SEE IN THESE MOMENTS.

AND IT'S HARD SOMETIMES TO FIND THAT INFORMATION

BUT IT'S REALLY, REALLY CRITICAL

>> Seth: LASTLY, I AGREE WITH YOU ON SO MUCH

AND I THINK I MIGHT AGREE WITH YOU ON SOMETHING ELSE.

BUT I HADN'T REALLY THOUGHT OF IT MUCH.

BUT YOU GOT IN A LITTLE BIT OF TROUBLE ON TWITTER, BECAUSE YOU

SAID THAT GRILLED CHEESES ARE BAD.

>> THEY'RE REALLY BAD, SETH. >> Seth: AND YOU GOT RATIOED,

WHICH IS ‐ >> I DID

[ LAUGHTER ] >> Seth: ‐‐ WHICH IS ‐‐ WHICH

DOES NEVER HURT ANYBODY'S NAME ‐‐ BUT GIVE YOUR ‐‐ 'CAUSE

YOU KNOW, I HADN'T REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT IT, BUT I WILL

SAY ‐‐ AND NOW I'M GOING TO CATCH THE SAME HOT HELL YOU DID.

I DO THINK IT'S A SANDWICH FOR A CHILD.

I WILL TAKE THAT POSITION. >> IT IS A SANDWICH FOR A CHILD.

MY NEXT LEVEL ABOUT OPINION IS THAT MAC AND CHEESE IS ALSO BAD.

AND REALLY THE BASIS OF THIS COMES FROM THE FACT THAT I DON'T

REALLY LIKE CHEESE [ LIGHT LAUGHTER ]

>> Seth: THAT'S COMING ACROSS. THERE WAS THE ONE MAJOR THING IN

COMMON THERE [ LAUGHTER ]

>> YEAH, IT'S TERRIBLE I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT.

SO, THIS CAUSES A LOT OF GRIEF IN MY HOUSEHOLD.

I HAVE A 2‐YEAR‐OLD, AND HIS FIRST WORDS WERE "CHEESE."

>> Seth: YEAH. >> LIKE, YOU KNOW, I GET THAT

I'M THE ODD PERSON OUT BUT I DECIDED THAT IF I'M GOING

TO GET RATIOED FOR SOMETHING, I NEED TO GO DOWN IN FLAMES.

>> Seth: YEAH. >> AND GRILLED CHEESE IS THE WAY

TO DO IT >> Seth: I THINK I WON'T ‐

LOOK, I'M WILLING TO MAYBE SEE A PART OF YOUR POSITION ON THE

GRILLED CHEESE I AM A HUGE CHEESE FAN

I MAKE CHEESE AND CRACKERS I COULD SUBSIST ON THAT UNTIL

THE END OF TIMES, BUT ‐‐ SO LET'S JUST AGREE ON THE

SANDWICH PART ‐‐ >> YEAH.

>> Seth: AND LEAVE EVERYTHING ELSE OUT OF IT SO THAT WE CAN

END ‐‐ >> WE CAN END NICELY, YES, ON

GOOD TERMS THANK YOU FOR NOT CANCELLING ME.

[ LAUGHTER ] >> Seth: YOU'RE VERY WELCOME

>> FOR NOT LIKING GRILLED CHEESE

>> Seth: WELL, WE'RE TAPING THIS AT AROUND, LIKE, 4:00 P. M., SO I

GUESS WE'LL FIND OUT IN, LIKE, NINE HOURS IF WE CAN STILL BE

MEMBERS OF SOCIETY, BASED ON OUR GRILLED CHEESE ‐

>> ABSOLUTELY. WE MIGHT GET EXILED.

WE MIGHT HAVE TO START OUR OWN SOCIETY.

>> Seth: WELL, HERE'S HOPING I SEE YOU ON THE OTHER SIDE.

THANKS SO MUCH FOR MAKING TIME FOR US

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH, SETH >> Seth: THANK YOU TO

JOSIE DUFFY RICE CHECK OUT HER PODCAST "JUSTICE

IN AMERICA." WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

♪ >> Seth: I WANT TO THANK MY

GUESTS, HANK AZARIA AND JOSIE DUFFY RICE

I WANT TO THANK FRED ARMISEN AND THE 8G BAND.

STAY TUNED FOR "LILLY SINGH. STAY SAFE.

WASH YOUR HANDS. WE LOVE YOU.

♪